Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Twitter Kills Third-Party Apps and New Polestar 2

Episode Date: January 27, 2023

This week Marques sits down with Andrew and David to recap the M2 reviews that dropped. After that, they talk about the new Polestar 2 and whether or not they like its new look. Then they discuss some of the layoffs that have been happening as Big Tech tries to pivot from AR to AI. Marques also brings up a new weather app that he found to replace Dark Sky before getting into a weird new gadget that muffles your voice while you game. We hope you enjoy! Links: M2 Max MacBook Pro review: https://bit.ly/mkbhdm2maxreview M2 Pro Mac Mini review: https://bit.ly/mkbhdm2macminireview Polestar 2: https://bit.ly/wvfrmpolestar2 Microsoft layoffs: https://bit.ly/wvfrmmiclayoffsn NPR ChatGPT: https://bit.ly/NPRChatGPT Ryan Hall YouTube Channel: http://bit.ly/3wA58Ri Carrot weather app: https://bit.ly/carrotdarkskyreplacement Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: MacBook Pro 14” 2023 at [https://geni.us/ixxVA](https://geni.us/ixxVA) MacBook Pro 16” 2023 at [https://geni.us/Q90j0](https://geni.us/Q90j0) Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And we got a pretty light week this week because there's kind of a bunch like right on the horizon some stuff we're not allowed to talk about so you're gonna get a lot next week when we do talk about that stuff but you know we still have some some interesting announcements and stuff uh pulsedar got a facelift twitter nuked third-party apps and now two of my favorite apps of all time

are dead and it's making me really sad and uh there's also some layoffs and things in the tech world that we can talk about but first we should recap this past week of a bunch of apple products that came out that we did actually get to review and use because last time we talked about these it was before we were allowed to reveal that we had them and that we were reviewing them. Now the reviews are out. So there's the M2 Mac Pro, sorry, M2 Mac, M2 Pro. Great naming. So there we go. Some things never change.

Yeah, this is evergreen. So M2 Pro and M2 Max MacBook Pro, those are really, the more I think about them, really tough names. Yeah. Mac and Max should never have been approved. How did no one say that out loud that's remote m1 max mac you know how we've been doing alliterations for the ending of a lot of videos the name itself is m2 max mac that's that's a lot right anyway we reviewed them

and also the m2 and m2 pro mac mini i found the laptops the M2 Pro and M2 Max laptops to be excellent, to be an appropriately small bump up from the M1 Pro and M1 Max, which is not a surprise if you have those laptops. There's no need to upgrade every year. Those are great laptops, but you did get the improved efficiency. You did get a little bit more battery life. You did get HDMI 2.1. You did get a few more cores. So like better laptop, no shocking surprises there. Great.

I am much more interested in and happy with the Mac mini because that gives me like a new default Mac to recommend. It's $599 for the M2 Mac mini and you can use whatever display you want. And if you don't need a laptop, that's actually the one you should get.

And then if you need more, then you can build up from there. So that's kind of how I reviewed them. They are both up live on the channel now. Any other thoughts on these Macs? Yeah, this just came out this morning, but the 14-inch base model has a slower SSD this time because it used to be four NAND chips and now it's two.

We saw this last year with the, I guess last year, yeah. We saw this last year with the M2 Mac Book Air. It had slower storage speed because they use less chips. So you can't do sequential writing and reading. So now it's down to read scores of around 3,000 megabytes per second. I was going to say. And write scores of about 3,000 megabytes per second compared to the almost 5,000 reads and 4,000 writes last year. Substantial downgrade, but 3,000 is still very good. That's what I was going to say. Three gigs a second is still a lot of faster.

I see headlines like this and I'm like, all right right it's slower and the benchmarks are gonna go find it and it's gonna be a headline but will anyone actually using them uh need to make a different buying decision because of it like is it actually a huge difference to like a problematic difference like it's annoying if you're moving a lot of data and you get you know two gigs less a second it's kind of annoying but if you're working with working with a lot of big files you may notice are you also is that person buying the base version i don't know yeah but it still should be that i was getting like 6 000 i remember doing my testing yeah it's only on the 512 gigabyte model so it's only that the base 14 inch yeah i guess if you only have 512 of storage like if you're mad that you're not

getting another two two gig write speed You don't have a lot of storage to do anything with that anyway, so. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. If you're moving storage off of the main computer and onto an SSD though, then the write speed's slower. Yeah, which you'll do more.

True, yeah, maybe it needs it more. Yeah, so. It's annoying, but it makes sense. I think it probably saves Apple money to just use higher tiered storage chips instead of more smaller chips it's exactly what it is we may touch on this topic a little bit in an upcoming video but that's the story for another day we'll get to that video when

we get to it so the Macs are out I think I think they're pretty good my hot take is spicy super spicy yeah all right well we can talk about we can talk about mac pro whenever it comes out because that's that's the last step of this actually how long have you been saying that for well also iMac is like still weirdly just chilling and on m1 yeah I don't think they see a point in pushing it to m2 unless there's a pro I don't I could see them waiting till m3 honestly because of how good the mac mini is there's no reason to buy an imac yeah i mean there's like stores that buy imacs like there's this tiny like wine shop across the way from me that has

an m1 imac because it's convenient yeah just as an all-in-one because they could buy a mac mini and a 300 monitor and then they got money But then they have a cable. Exactly. Yeah. I think there are a lot of people out there who like, I know exactly plugging in a monitor sounds so easy for all of us. But like, if I were to buy a computer for somebody that I know I'm the dedicated tech person for,

I'd wrap out least amount of cables, possibly one cable and an iMac. Yeah. A few of those variables. But that's where I would variables but that person's got a white bezel I mean I'm sure that person agreed that person probably doesn't care about M2 but the wine shop owner does not care she's just trying to sell wine yeah she doesn't care yeah all right well it'll set it it'll set that one way for the Mac Pro all right Polestar 2024

facelift I like some of these uh these modern ev facelifts we're seeing every time i do an autofocus video on a new modern ev it's my favorite thing to pay attention to like how they what that company thinks an ev should look like and they all kind of have ended up with this minimal face with uh bar lights and sort of modern led light patterns especially when you turn on and off the car things like that that's become very common uh and so i like to see you know how they how they think about this i would say a lot of cars are going this way in general like you're seeing we were just talking about the kia nero before and how like there have been some out there because they have the hybrid version and there is the ev version but like kia's been going that route also

they're they've been trying to update their whole model like yeah to get away from the old kia and it'd be the new awesome kia that i think a lot of people like um this looks great though i don't know how i feel about it's hot getting rid of the they had like a meshed grill before and now they're just swapping to basically like it just kind of looks like a little like laser lidar system i do prefer the i do prefer the old grill yeah but i don't mind this new one to color match it kind of reminds me of the mustang mach-e yeah where you can either get the gt with the color matching or the regular one which is just black but the the old polestar grill is better than just like a black shiny plastic it was kind of nice i like this i think i would like this one better if that lidar sensor

wasn't like right in the middle like a nose yeah like i wish it was in that little gap underneath and then blends in with it because then it would look really nice yeah it's strange but just having this little dot on the front of the car is a little weird yeah yeah other than that i think this looks really is it even a lidar sensor whatever it is yeah it's a LiDAR sensor? Whatever it is, camera, sensor, whatever. It's a whole camera or something. Yeah. Yeah, so it is a spec bump, kind of like the new laptops. So it's got 300 miles of range on a single motor version. It's a slightly larger battery capacity to get that 300 miles. It can charge at 205 kilowatts, which is higher than the previous 155 kilowatts. So that's good.

The dual motor doesn't get a bigger battery but you do get better performance uh 299 horsepower and 360 pound-feet of torque versus the slightly lower numbers of before so the rear-wheel drive can do 0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds which was is kind of quick it was seven seconds before yeah which is i mean that's a big difference it's a pretty big difference once you get under five and a half seconds you start to get to like sporty sports car territory. It's like decently quick. Yeah. And there's also now a rear wheel drive version. So that was new.

We didn't have a rear wheel drive version before. It's just the all wheel drive Polestar. So I like it. Yeah. I think price tag is going to be all of the killer, like the most important thing about this and my uh i'm not i don't even think this is a hot take either but like pull star is in my top four favorite evs period yeah on the planet do you think it gets much of a uh price bump or difference because this like feels like a this is the new thing that i think is really interesting in evs is tesla's been around the longest so we see it

in that i don't know if everything else will do it, but are we going to get the 2023 Polestar or are we just going to get the Polestar 2 updated? Like Gen 2 where it doesn't really say it. I think because it's a small facelift, it can be kind of like the M2 MacBook Pro fall into the same price tag, but just be a little bit better than last time. I wouldn't be surprised if this falls into same price tag.

Yeah, they added wireless chargers and driver awareness features as standard now as well something that was annoying with the polestar is that it started at a pretty good price but their add-on packages all cost a lot of money and there were features that were standard in a lot of other evs right that was frustrating yeah and it was like six thousand dollars to add like wireless chargers and the driver assistance stuff oh yeah so you're actually saving quite a bit of money now that they're like bundling that stuff in which is good yeah yeah i like it i'm into the pulse star my top evs as far as like overall package usability are tesla model s right above porsche tycan right above rivian r1t and then pulse star as far as ones i've tried i really

think hyundai and kia are going to like i still think they're really good so well but the materials and the the overall like yeah build of the pull star is is better really what's the price tag on a pull star it's like starting at 50 those are around yeah upper 40s 50s easily a lot of them are in the 50s yeah uh so it feels like it like the ionic is nice but it it isn't built as well it's surely like downgraded from that but it's yeah what is it it's far cheaper pull star starts at 48 400 yeah yeah they just feel sportier than the numbers i don't know what it is about the the way it drives it feels like a model y type of drive i do have to say it's good the thing i don't love about the

pulsar 2 is it's like really close to like it feels like it's the crossover between a sedan and a crossover like it feels a little bigger than a sedan but not quite a crossover so i'm really really excited for the pulsar suv which all the i don't know if they're official renders or like officially what the car looks like yet but it looks fantastic like this but actually in an suv version i think looks way better because this still has that weird like chunky back end that like kind of looks like it should be i don't know storage like like a hatchbacky type thing yeah yeah my only concern is the suv gonna have like the same battery and everything because then it's gonna get less range it will get yeah so that's a question it probably will also have

to have upgraded tech because there's some is this rumor still 2023 pull star i've got a cnet article that's saying 500 plus horsepower 300 mile range that would imply much improved i mean maybe maybe they this battery that they're getting ready for the Polestar 3 is what they're adding into this facelift Polestar 2, and that's why it's getting better battery? Or is it just because now they're doing a single motor and you just get better efficiency out of that? But it's a pretty significant battery bump, right?

In terms of range? It's not way bigger, but it moves at like 30 more miles. It was what, like 240 before um i think it was above 250 okay it was one of the very few that it might just be real then it's 82 kilowatt hours versus 78 so like okay slightly more not massive but percentage wise it's fairly decent it sounds like an accumulation of a bunch of small factors like a slightly bigger battery is one slightly more efficient motors is another slightly you know the facelift is probably better for aerodynamics honestly like a bunch of little

things added together equals 30 more miles of range cool uh faster charging i think is actually more important but yeah i'll take it yeah i'll take it also did you last thing on this did you feel when you drove the polestar the range range was very accurate when you were driving it? Ooh, that's a good question. Usually, I mean, this was very early in my testing, so I don't remember as well. I do remember on paper it being one of the only ones with 250 plus. Like a lot of the ones we saw coming out were like,

oh, we'll have 220, we'll have 240. But I don't remember exactly how accurate it was. Good, the rest of the experience was great. Good drive, good software, like good space, good materials and build and everything. And I like the it looks so i hope it is i guess my question being is like i always like that number 300 but i when tesla was the only one over there i was always like well 320 is like 300 so this at 300 is like is this a really accurate 300 or are you going to get under there and this is yeah being super picky but 300 seems to be that great number i would like to test it for autofocus yeah the rivian when i fully charge it to 100 says 303 on the dash and i have full confidence when i leave

the driveway i can drive 300 miles okay i'm not the same amount of confident with a tesla so we'll see what this where this ends up being on the spectrum one thing i've been thinking about do you think that this is like are we getting too used to a car being tech where every update we're expecting bigger things because this seems pretty iterative i like i like this so this is one of the things that uh tesla does that a lot of other companies don't do which is obviously there's a bunch of paradigms that they don't do but having a new model year every single year in a mature category ends up feeling like kind of pointless yeah like it's getting to that point in smartphones where we get a new model year boom galaxy s23 okay let me compare versus last year is it worth an upgrade not really that

important right i think it's if it's slowly improving over time then yeah it's like a piece of tech like it'll always get a little better a little better a little better and sure that means that there's going to be some facelifts that are bigger bumps than others every few years yeah and you kind of want to make sure you don't miss one of those and buy right before one of those but i like i like the version of a car that's slowly always improving over time instead of waiting waiting waiting new model year waiting waiting waiting new model year just just sell people the best car you can make and if it gets better a little bit month to month then i'm happy yeah i think there are like two

kind of like ideas towards this you've got the like pc companies for example the razor blade it's always razor blade 2022 razor blade 2023 they're never like you know the brand new razor blade it's like they just say the model number because the year number because it's pretty much the same thing and they have iterative upgrades but until until they like make a massive refresh they're not going to make a big deal about it and i think that generally makes sense and then you can just introduce like a new category at some point cars in general generally do like a four to five year like generational upgrade where it's like the 2020 uh chevy launch yeah hyundai elantra 2021 and then it's like at 2025 it's like big big facelift like like more distinguishable between the two not the like little tiny like right now between my forester

and last year's forester like the headlight there's this like little tiny difference in some of the trim but does that work for evs when it's like a tech thing basically i think it does i think it i mean like i think so if you look at tesla they kind of they kind of have generations like if you look at model s we have plaid now because we call it like kind of the drivetrain is the way we name it but the previous one was the raven model s and before that there was just kind of like the new refreshed nose cone and then before that was kind of just like 75d or whatever we just call sort of a couple generations uh so i think yeah it's just like some of the pieces that improve will be bigger than others if you just do a nose cone and better efficiency in the motors and you get 10 more range you just kind of do it and tell

people about it and it's a slightly improved car but it's not a new version of the car i think you could make arguments both ways i'm like the tesla version you might not have to wait a whole year to get an update but the like legacy car manufacturer version is like you get to see what the spec bump is going to be come the new year and you know when the new one's version so when it's september and you're like i'm gonna go buy a model s you're not like that's true oh i can wait because i know these couple new features are going to be in the next one versus like i'm gonna buy it and then the the minute i sit down and sit in it i see everybody else is getting something it has bit me before yeah so with the with the more traditional model

it becomes way more obvious when there's a good time to buy yeah bad time to buy a bad time to buy is right when they're about to do a new generation and you kind of know when they're about to do a new generation with the tesla yeah i waited until dual motor p100d came out and i said ah that's a good time to buy and then i bought and then one week after delivery they said here's the new autopilot hardware all cars will get sorry your car doesn't have it yeah so yeah there are definitely upsides and downsides i will say as like tech heads it's really fun to have things that are completely different like i think the nexus line was like a good example of that because it was manufactured by a different company every single year so every year you had no idea what it was going to look like tc is it going to be motorola yeah and it was a different it was a different company every single year so every year you had no idea what it was going to look like tc is it going to be motorola yeah and it was a different it was a different manufacturer

almost every year like they repeated a couple of times but it always looked super different and super unique and that was super fun because you just had no clue it was also less mature yeah totally yeah yeah and i think that that is kind of what it comes down to is like the maturity of the category like the macbook pro like the whole reason that they didn't maybe put the Face ID in the cameras is because they're going to let that mature a little bit. And then a few years down the line, they'll make a bigger upgrade that maybe makes it look slightly different. They just want to see Marques in sandals.

Yeah, they saw that clip and they were like, take it out. This is it. Take the Face ID out. Yeah. I mean, we all got upset that the 13-inch used the same chassis as the previous Touch Bar 13-inch, which I agree, it's annoying, especially since you... I think we assume that because you changed the chip, you should be changing the whole chassis. Yeah.

They didn't do that. It's kind of weird that they didn't do it on the second generation, too. I was assuming that they would, and I don't know why they released an m2 version of that but maybe they should have a lot of chassis left but supply chain yeah either way i think like really big upgrades are fun but they don't always make sense to the manufacturer yeah if you were running uh a car company would you yeah would you save all of the tech upgrades over time and watch other manufacturers pull away and make better cars until you can do a big generational update? Or would you think it makes more sense to just, hey, if we can improve the car tomorrow, let's do it. It's also risk assessment, right?

Like if you've got the Prius and the Prius is selling like just steadily over the years, making a huge change to it is pretty risky. Because even if you think, oh, this looks really cool, maybe the people that would normally buy the Prius because they like the way the Prius looks are not going to buy it anymore. I would say something's coming, charge a price for it, and then every time it doesn't come, increase the price so people think it's coming sooner, pay more money, and then just pretty much never release that thing.

And then declare bankruptcy. That has not happened. You could have a future buying a car company um wait i want to correct one thing really quickly i think we mentioned the so the pulsar 2 there is a single motor version and it gets 270 miles so we're looking at like a 30 30 mile update yeah like david said but there was a single motor version but it was front wheel yes so the new one's rear wheel drive option yeah okay yeah interesting all right well we got to take a quick break we got a lot more to talk about after that but before we jump into the break you know what time it is trivia time it'll be louder in post okay so i gotta get amped play that thing louder uh yeah what about the like

metal rock music that used to play oh wait where is that i have that here somewhere you do well that was like a light show welcome to the waveform trivia podcast i can't wait till one of these quasars just explodes behind us i feel like we've had so many more amped that it did honestly we were feeling a little low-key we've had a lot of like really chaotic high energy episodes recently so i feel like the lack of an like busy news week is like okay it's a nice little calm before the storm chad gpt wrote this whole episode next week All right, trivia. So we've been talking a lot about Apple recently with the MacBooks and everything coming out, the HomePod. So I did a bit of Googling and came up with a question.

On average, how long does it take an apple tree to produce an apple? If you plant it from the seed, how long does it take an apple tree to produce an apple? Genetically modified or? Nope. All natural, baby. All natural, yeah. Free range. Free range apple tree to produce an apple genetically modified or nope all natural all natural yeah free range free range apple grass fed i know nothing about this this is a tech yeah this is not a tech question it's tech adjacent somebody's gonna know the answer in the meantime be right back I'll see you next time. And wait, you want me to help you get it? Rubble! Come on.

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And I wanted to bring this back with a ChatGPT query that I saw this morning that said, compose a message announcing a 7% reduction in headcount while also promoting executives to new titles and also include a quote from Martin Luther King. Oh no. Oh no. Says I might have to cut this. Yeah.

We'll see. We'll see. I mean, I don't know. It says dear team, I'm writing to inform you that we will be implementing a 7% reduction in headcount across the company. This decision was not made lightly,

but it is necessary in order to ensure the long-term success of our organization. At the same time, I am pleased to announce the promotion of several executives to new titles within the company. These individuals have demonstrated exceptional leadership and dedication, and we are confident that they will continue

to make valuable contributions to our team. I understand that this news may be difficult for some of you, but as Martin Luther King Jr. said, the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at moments of times of challenge and controversy. Let us all strive to rise to this challenge

and continue to work together towards our shared goals. Sincerely, your name. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty rough. That's terrible. Yeah. The reason we brought that up yeah uh was because microsoft did a big layoff if you guys have probably heard that every single company every tech company yeah every big tech company is doing like between a five to ten percent layoff in the last like week or two and it's it's actually kind of weird how they're all doing like

seven percent like they're all doing seven percent and also close together like it's like the quarter of layoffs basically yeah it's like they're it feels like they're doing it just because everyone else is doing it um but basically we found out a couple days ago where all those microsoft layoffs went and it was really heavy in their AR and mixed reality divisions. They cut the entire team behind Altspace VR, which they had acquired in 2017. And they also cut the team behind the mixed reality toolkit framework. So it seems like they're kind of... My interpretation of what's been going on is that because Meta did their whole Meta transition in 2020, and the economy was not falling apart yet at that point everyone started pumping just a ton of money into metaverse

stuff yeah because they didn't want to miss the wave if meta was right but we're at the point where they're hemorrhaging so much money now that they're like oh god we're spending so much money we have to cut back and so they're cutting back on the metaverse stuff because it hasn't paid any dividends yet and it doesn't look like it's going to pay any dividends anytime soon yeah and also like microsoft did that huge announcement with meta when meta announced the oculus quest pro but microsoft doesn't have to do a lot of work for that that's a that's better for meta than it is for Microsoft to add all those Office apps to Oculus. So, yeah.

It seems like everyone's kind of freaking out about metaverse and backing out. I just keep seeing the same basic structure of a story every time I hear about these layoffs, which is they hired a ton in 2020. Growth was phenomenal during the pandemic. And then they've realized that they shouldn't have hired that many people. And they had to stop.

Yeah. And then they got rid of a lot of those people that they hired. Yeah. So that story happened again. I also keep, we're going to talk about AI because obviously the chat GPT and the open AI investment Microsoft made. And that's like kind of where it actually made the investment. they did actually make the investment because last time we were talking, it was rumored.

Right. And now it's official that they're making a multi-year, multi-billion dollar investment. So I think that they're moving all of their money away from metaverse stuff and into AI stuff because AI is clearly, clearly going to start paying insane dividends very soon yeah whereas anything metaverse related is like 10 years down the line and they can't deal with that yet like they just can't expend that much yeah i saw a story recently of like chad gpt like like passing an exam like a college professor gave chad gpt an exam and it got like a b minus or

something which is kind of funny but i actually i really appreciated one take from a professor i think the question this is probably an npr article someone's already heard because i heard it this morning but the the interviewer was like are you concerned about students like cheating on exams now that they have chat gpt like it's going to happen right they're going to ask it for an essay and they're going to give you essays written by chatgpt and the professor was like not only am i not worried about them using chatgpt i actually encourage and in some some instances require them to use chatgpt for their work because human nature didn't change with the advent of ai cheaters are going to cheat so i might as well embrace the fact that this new tool

is available and it's available to everyone and so we might as well get good at actually taking the things that ChatGPT spits out and turning it into a useful thing. And that's actually what I'm going to grade you on. How well you can turn that into something useful. And I thought that was really solid. Because that's what real people are

going to do. And you do have to go through what it says and like fact check stuff and make sure stuff is right if you don't want to get caught for cheating yeah but that's at that point you're probably learning the information potentially better than like that's why he's saying that right i did a bunch of online courses of courses that i already failed in college and i wound up one not wanting to fail so that helped a little bit but like in my you know uh advanced research right around test time i seem to remember those things better because i was like good at searching the internet and finding stuff rather than listening to a teacher drone for a while yeah yeah yeah there's just like a i i fully see chat gpt specifically as a tool to use and i don't there's no way that i like i write video scripts there's no way i'm going to

input a prompt into chat bt take that and say it on camera as if it's me but what i am actually doing more now is using it to help brainstorm things whether it's an alliteration at the end of the video or a couple extra points to back up something we've been researching already. I hit the mic, sorry. That's a useful tool to figure out a way to bolster these things. And I think regular people are going to do that anyway. So whoever that professor was that said that, I'm fully on board. I back you with that. Get good at using these tools because that's going to be valuable in real life. But also, you're not going to be able to, if you're in class, you're's going to be valuable in real life but also you're not going to be able to if you're in class you're not going to be able to like use chat gpt when you're writing

on a piece of paper so i think that's true about writing on a piece of paper in class but i often wonder how important that particular skill is yeah like andrew said like andrew said like if well i don't know i get hand cramps i use yeah me too yeah but i mean like andrew said like andrew said like if well i don't know i get hand cramps yeah me too yeah but i mean like andrew said if you're doing the assignment online or something and you have to fact check everything like maybe that's just a different way to learn you know like going through and editing someone else's work is actually like you have if you're fact checking stuff you are making sure you know the information exactly so yeah like school is like useful for like preparing you for the real world ideally yeah so i think if you're going to prepare people for the real world what are you going to do in the

real world are you going to sit in a room with no internet and a piece of paper and like write things down or are you going to use the tools available to you on the internet to make the best thing you can you're not always going to have chat gpt on your foot in your pocket for you to use it whenever you want just like your calculators the entire world's knowledge base at your fingertips out in the real world i will say like we're saying like oh you have to fact check you have to fact check it but i think that what every company is doing right now is just trying to increase the accuracy of their ai language models like google intentionally has said that they don't want to release something until they have like an

extremely high confidence interval that it's going to spit out accurate information and yes they are there was that article that said they are like re-examining the risk factor for how accurate it can be that's them going oh my god everyone loves chat gpt and we've had this thing for a while that people haven't used but we show it on the stage at I.O. every year, but it hasn't had nearly the same viral impact. I wonder if we can set it free a little bit. Yeah, there was an article that said they're probably going to just dump a ton of AI stuff

at I.O. this year. Please, please do. But what you were saying, so I guess my take on using these tools right now is a very in-the-now take, because right now, ChatGPT and tools that are good with AI are better than guessing, but still worse than humans. And there's a gap.

And the better the AI gets, the smaller the gap is between humans. And it is a specific skill to go fact check and to go research and to be able to turn that thing that spit out into a good piece but the closer that that gap gets and the better that ai gets and the closer it is to humans the less important that skill is and that's going to be a whole another weird frontier that's going to be strange because you're going to have you're not going to have to have a broad knowledge as much and we might see a return to people just like chasing the things that make them interested, right? Like right now you have to do all of these like basic classes in college

that don't necessarily give you the skills that you want for your career, but that you're just learning like English and all this stuff. But if the wealth of human knowledge has already been collected into an AI and you can just use those things to do the more mundane stuff that you don't want to do. Speed run middle school. Yeah.

And then you can use the AI tasks, the AI features, and also just the internet to get better at the things you actually want to do. We might see some sort of creative renaissance or something. I don't know.

That's far out. You can't take what Dolly spits out and frame it, but you could take it as inspiration for your own work. You could frame it. But what if Dolly gets so good that you can just frame it? Actually, well, I visited my sister for Christmas, and I went into one of her rooms,

and her husband has all this space art on the wall. And I was like, oh, this is cool. Did you buy this on Etsy? He's like, oh, no, I put it into Dolly, and then I printed it out. Oh, whoa. Yeah, and so sick. He has like five paintings on the wall, I put it into Dolly and then I printed it out. Oh, whoa. Sick. He has five paintings on the wall that were all made by Dolly. That's kind of dope.

I like that. That's a very specific moment in time when Dolly just spits out kind of pseudo art and you're just like, yeah, that's good enough for me. Yeah. It was all like trippy space art. That's good enough for me. It's abstract, but it kind of looks like space and you're like, yeah, I like that. I um we're saying how like it's getting better than guessing but

not quite human those it's going to incrementally work and get harder and harder to get closer and closer and like right now we're there there's a tweet going around the other day that was like technically right but not totally right about it passing a bunch of exams but it was actually like 50 on like the bar exam or something which is not quite passing and then that was only one part of it so it's doing a bunch of these exams like you said b minus yeah it seems like good i don't know it said the like a medical license exam, the bar exam. Apparently none of these are really like a good passing grade. Our exam is really hard though. I think that's cool. I guess the other thing I missed though is like I get past that.

Even if you have this tool at your disposal, so many of these things that we're testing it out on, like you still need the human reaction time of things where like you need to just have this stuff in your repertoire anyways. So where can this go from there that it's an interesting in between of how we're going to use this as a tool and where we'll use it and where does it reach its limits and and that's scary and cool and like i'm excited about the tools i wish i had it to cheat in college i mean work in college and like i don't know it's the real real college students today are really having to deal with this but i also think that professor you're talking about he's not worried because he people will use it as a tool but the

people who are just going to cheat cheat are going to copy and paste it and it's going to be painfully obvious and you're just going to fail them like if you're going out there saying i can write this whole paper with chat gpt and just do a couple fact checks you're going to fail them. If you're going out there saying, I can write this whole paper with ChatGPT and just do a couple of fact checks, you're going to fail that paper. They're going to know immediately. Which is why you should embrace that skill of turning it into a good piece.

The tool is to help you not to just do it for you. Yeah, for now. Disclaimer, we do not endorse cheating. Oh, no, don't cheat. Why not? Don't. Don't do it.'t don't do it i don't do as i say thank you don't get your money's worth because you paid so much money to learn how to do things yeah anyway point i wish i remembered that when i was in college i wish i knew that when i was in college i would like to mourn the death of an app again is that the death march

sorry it's death yeah it's death i went to the stormtroopers Brown, brown, brown, brown, brown. Is that the death march? Yes. Sorry. It's death. Yeah, it's death. I went to do the funeral march. I already lost Dark Sky. This is so painful. But Dark Sky, we had this six-month ramp where it was like, Apple looked us in the eye and they were like,

we're going to murder your favorite weather app at the end of the year, so get ready. Yeah. And for five and three-quarter months, I continued using dark sky like nothing was going to change and then on december 31st i had an existential crisis and i was like oh my god dark sky is going to die what do i do um and so i did eventually find uh a one that we can talk about which is pretty solid but now i have to mourn the death of another favorite app, and that is Flamingo for Twitter. And all the rest of the Twitter apps I used over the years, Phoenix and Tweetbot, and shout out to the others, because Twitter just nuked all third-party Twitter clients. Yeah. Which on one hand, yeah, of course they did.

It makes perfect sense. If you ran a website and some people just made an alternative client that's just serving the same version of your website minus all the ads that make you money, obviously you would kill it, right? But I've been using them for so long that I didn't realize how bad the stock Twitter app actually is, which is, it's bad. It's just bad. It's a bad app. So now Twitter is worse for me. I respond to tweets less because my my mentions are just broken sometimes and i just don't see like hours in a row of mentions yeah that sucks so yes rip uh all of the best twitter apps that we've used over the past i feel like there was like five different ways to cut into that sorry yeah i think the first thing is like, didn't Twitter use some third party app like features and then bring them into Twitter? Like, hasn't that been a thing? I was reading something about how like, it's a little different how third party apps have worked with Twitter because they've really like helped in the growth of Twitter as a whole. in somewhere i would like to see that i mean that's true for android roms too yeah yeah android

would always eventually just add like features that roms had there are a lot of companies that wind up doing that i mean even if you're going to gaming like minecraft used third-party things i guess yeah at that point it wasn't necessarily taking away ad revenue from it which i think is a little weird because there's also things like youtube advanced which is like taking away ads and taking away or giving you extra features i hate vance because i think it's taking away from the creators like you're also directly interfering with that um twitter but yeah i think when i'm pretty sure elon found out third-party apps took away ads and was like nope later yeah well they also have their first interest payment coming up at the end of the month yeah at the end of the month i think they own what they owe one billion

dollars like a billion dollars every time yeah yeah do you think they could have kept the the apps with just like a rule set in there of you need to allow ads i think you need to allow ads i think there's so few people work for twitter now that it was just easier to just pull all the keys i my my other assumption is like did the api team that was like updating for these twitter apps just get nuked and then when like an update came around it was time to like there was something they needed to do with the api and then just all of a sudden they're like oh we need to do this like blah, blah, blah thing for the API for all the third parties.

And they're like, they're gone. So, yeah. It was like just a backend thing because stuff's just stopped working for a week. And then they eventually updated, they updated the terms of service like a week later, which is really ridiculous, but exactly what I would expect.

That's classic Twitter. What are the rules? I don't know. We're just going to change that. And we can't find out because they're fired. We're just going to change them and communicate them a week later. I will say, like, it sucks for all the developers that have just been spending, like, over 10 years developing these apps. And you just wake up one day and you're just like, everything you've worked on for the last decade just doesn't work anymore.

Like, that's insane. Like, I didn't think about that that much until the other day and i was like all of those people and that's their entire livelihood is just like screwed that's like if youtube just decided to stop allowing people to upload videos yeah or stop like paying ad revenue on anything yeah like oh or even if yeah i mean there's a ton of examples of crazy stuff i just like it, it was, yeah, the Twitter experience for me is just like, oh, I follow people. And then when I open the app, I just get a list of the things that are posted by the people that I follow. Super simple. Chronologically, great.

And then you go to the Twitter app and there's like a For You page. Oh, my God, dude. And there's immediately an ad at the top. And then there's a tweet from someone you don't follow. And then there's a tweet that's liked by someone you follow, but I didn't sign up to see that. Yeah. And there's just this whole mix of things, and it's like, I vastly prefer the Twitter experience in the third-party apps. Wait, what were you using before this happened?

I was just using the Twitter app. So was I. And, like, this, I was a Twitter... Well, it used to not be as bad. I believe that. Well, yeah, it wasn't as bad. It used to be pretty decent. Yeah, that's a true thing I keep hearing,

which is on my timeline, people would always be saying, is Twitter getting worse? And I'd be like, nope, it's fine. Everything's fine. My app is working perfectly. But meanwhile, the stock Twitter app that everyone's using has been getting worse. And now that I just jumped over to it,

I just jumped into like a flaming room. Yeah. We eased into the pain. Marques got booted out the door the elevator with no floor at the outside when the api keys got dropped i i just got kicked out of the nice quiet room into like the screaming everything's on fire room yeah it was crazy how quick one of the app developers that made a super popular third party twitter app like the next day after he got booted off, he released a Mastodon. I think a few are.

No, I don't. Tap bots. I think it's tweet bots. Yeah, it's tweet bots. Tap bots did that as well. Yeah, okay, that's funny. But I think that this kind of signals back to like an earlier time of the internet

when like Reddit, for example, also has a bazillion third-party apps, right? That's true. And I think that websites early on didn't really expect for the app ecosystem to get to get so insane it took reddit a very long time to make an official app they um on ios there was the only popular reddit app was called alien blue and they just bought alien blue and turned it to the official reddit app and the android one was yeah reddit is fun which i still

use today which i feel like feels weird that I'm not just using Reddit. But I've been using it for so long that I. A long time ago, I used Bacon Reader, which felt like an RSS feed. I was just going to say that. Shout out Bacon Reader. And then I used on iOS right now, I use Apollo. Is it Apollo? Yeah.

I think it's Apollo. And then on Android, Relay for Reddit is like the best one. And on Android, Relay for Reddit is the best one. But I think that in the early internet, when all of these Web 2.0 websites weren't thinking about, oh, we need to make an app-first experience, it made sense for them to allow third parties to make apps because it was just free work for them. It was allowing other people to drive them traffic,

and they didn't really care. It's like, oh, other people are signing up for our service, using our service, being on our service. I think that that's the key is you need to through that third party app allow people to interface with all the best parts especially the parts that make you money so like people need to be able to sign up through it people need to be able to if there's a subscription they need to be able to do that if there's a reddit goal they should be able to buy it in the third party app and reddit gets all the money they don't allow i don't think so that's interesting yeah but that's that's I think why in those early days

when the only real goals were like more traffic where it's like oh this is kind of a green light because it's benefiting our one goal so we'll allow it and now they have more goals it's a little more complicated yeah so twitter has a very clear goal right now which is cut costs and make more money yeah and now that that's happening with ads and there's an active third party ecosystem that does not help with that. Bring them all over here. So now we're all over on the stock Twitter app. I mean, I think even if you want to go back a step to you were saying how like you don't really read your mentions anymore. Do you think part of that is because now people can pay to be verified and now your verified tab is like.

No, I was I go through every single mention in order from everyone so when i post a new video and i tweet the new video literally like for the next hour i read every single reply on twitter from anyone verified or not now if i want to go to the mentions tab sometimes it's just broken and doesn't show anything newer than six hours ago so i just can't do that activity anymore maybe if i look at activity under the tweet but some people will tweet about the video and tag me and that won't show up there i won't see it so there's just like it's just a worse experience for me someone who used a lot of twitter just in chronological order scrolling yeah i i think the verified stuff is i still hate it there's like

there's points where it felt like we're communicating with the other friends we have in like this tech youtube space and like not to say i if i'm going to just reply to you something that i tweeted i'll just look in that tweet if i'm trying to see if like other people in our space are tweeting about things like with me i can't see it anymore because i have dozens and dozens of tweets from like verified people that i'm like have i met did i meet them somewhere like well it's like no it's just someone random it's it's not i don't know it's still a weird yeah weird situation and that point i think twitter overall has definitely gotten worse i don't know any if anyone can believe differently uh i'd be very surprised. Maybe here's a positive note for this whole story. I did find a weather app. Okay, cool. And that is, yeah, it's huge for me.

I mean, dark sky was my whole life. I was a weather committee on our Frisbee team. So Carrot, Carrot weather app, it basically, and they tweeted at me a bunch of times after I was mourning the loss of dark sky. They have a dark sky lookalike layout that's like hidden in the settings and you can like enable it and it looks basically just like dark sky and so that to me was close enough like it's not exactly the same radar features aren't exactly the same but it was close enough and then

it has a bunch of other cool features it's got a bit of a personality I open it up and let me oh I don't have my phone on I like but it has it just reads the weather in a snarky way it's got a bit of a personality i i open it up and let me oh i don't have my phone on i like but it has it just reads the weather in a snarky way it's cool i think it's funny i don't even use it and i follow dark or carrot and the uh the creator on twitter because i just think they're funny yeah they're funny yeah it's good so you know if you were looking for that replacement i think this is it like the stock weather app app on the iPhone theoretically uses a lot of the same data and features. I think it uses Dark Sky data, but it's not the same layout.

It's not the same set of features in the same way. Dark Sky was such a well laid out app to me. So if you want to check out Carrot, it's got this like timeline view, I think is what it's called. And only iOS right now has the newest update that has that. Apparently the Android update is in the works, but I don't think we're seeing that till end of this year so so i'm using weather on iphone i guess yeah i'm also realizing how different you and i are in a lot of ways okay

so like do you know how you you use a million different like uh uh, tracking apps for like to do list. And I use your alarm clock for not for weather, but do you want to know how I check the weather? You look outside. What do you do? You definitely don't do that. Nobody. I type in the like Google now bar on the bottom.

I just type like weather. And then just like the top Google search has a top thing where you can still slide a slider and see stuff that's what i just use so that's that's mostly fine it's temperature it's cloudy or not it's rainy or not like that's the basic info but when i'm trying to figure out like humidity what time is it going to start right i have a home pod for that now yeah that's true is it gonna start raining i have a home pod for that now yeah it's true actually debatable because it's inside but like smoking hot andrew what time how much snow are we going to get i know it's going to start something but how much snow are we going to get right or i can see this storm on the radar and i can see oh it's actually currently raining where my sister is and that

exact piece of rain is going to come up to where i am like that sort of stuff which maybe i'm just a weather nerd and i care, but like, I don't know. You do follow a weather YouTuber. So dude, Ryan Hall, I, I, I know his channel just blew up with a lot of the crazy weather we've been

getting, but I don't watch weather on TV anymore. I watch Ryan Hall's videos and he's a great weather man. He's a meteorologist on YouTube. It's great. Wow. Shout out to Ryan Hall. Link down below.

What weather app do you use? Um um i do the same as you i will say this table is dividing very hard recently this is chaos i do sometimes look at the default weather app uh i will say i had a really weird experience yesterday please laugh at me um so i have some normie friends okay i have some normie friends this is new for me the worst i made a bunch of normie friends in the last year some of them um like to look at their horoscope oh they understand that it is stupid um and then it's you know we stand zodiac signs we i don't want to get ripped apart on this they they made me download this app called um what's it called it's a like a zodiac sign it's a horoscope app yeah uh it's really popular costar i think i downloaded that too hey i believe they're extremely popular yeah it's it's it's just fun yeah like it's dumb and fun and it like it'll

it's sort of like a social media app because it'll show you, like, what you're aligned on with other people on what day. And it's super dumb. But yesterday morning, I woke up and it looked like I assumed it was going to be cloudy outside and just rainy and cold because my apartment doesn't get very much light. I opened up this, like, Zodiac app. And it says, at the top, it says, it is going to be sunny in your area today. And I was like, what? And so then I opened the weather app, and it was mostly sunny.

And I was like, oh, wow. My horoscope is accurate. I knew it. I'm telling you, I got my weather through my horoscope. So you used your horoscope app. Oh, my God. My Google weather looks pretty good now, doesn't it uh i don't know it's like really the tier list of weather apps is like carrot overdrop stock weather app googling the weather co-star horoscope

no no looking outside we've ever needed an ad break oh man more than this time if you ever want to know the exact rate of precipitation i got you i got you it's just like fun sometimes you know yeah trivia time people are like i'm not into it it's just fun and then later they're like oh this is so mean i am a such that is such a pisces thing to do oh, this is so me. I am a Sagittarius. That is such a Pisces thing to do. Oh, God, that's so Scorpio. Sorry.

Yeah, direct the hate comments at these two. Yeah, I'm sorry, guys. I shouldn't be so controversial right now. Kind of worms. Okay, all right. Anyway, when was TweetBot initially released? That's the question. Think about it.

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We do have one more thing. I almost forgot. There's a ridiculous thing that we need to point out. I don't know. Is this a real product? It's the most important part of this episode. It got announced during the Game Awards last night. So it is a real product. Yeah.

Or about to be a real product. Yeah. It's a gaming microphone that's also a muzzle so picture this picture this you've got a sniffing other they're trying to wind it down they're trying to go to bed but you've got some games to win so you go to the other room you start playing and you get on with the boys or whoever you play with and you're starting you're getting really intense you get a little loud sometimes you clap you're like yelling you got the kill you won the race whatever you're doing clutch there and in the

other room they're like can you keep it down i'm trying to sleep but you're trying to get your wins right you're trying to win so what's the solution you close the door no no no no do you do you just talk less no you're trying to have a good time so what you do is you get the muzzle you strap it around you put it the mute off no matter how i say this is you strap it around your you put it on your face you strap it around the back of your head and you are now fully able to yell as loud as you want just like it's in the game look but the muzzle prevents others from sound from escaping who among us like i i have i have been in this scenario multiple times when i like when i was like home for college break or something and i wanted to play dota at 2 a.m

and my mom like was in the room right next to me and she would be like david you have to stop talking and i'm like but i want to play dota yeah like i don't know i mean it looks ridiculous like it looks completely ridiculous but there is some function i actually like yeah i was in an apartment and my computer was on the wall where that was the bedroom so claire would be sleeping and i'd be like playing pub g or something and i just see my phone light up with claire texting me to be like i'm being too loud and then like look at it and be like so this is something you would get i'd rather be quiet okay it looks like if you put a thank you that's what i was gonna say i'd rather just not say anything it looks like if you put an oculus

quest over your mouth there actually was though something very similar to this a few years ago on Kickstarter called the Hush Me, I believe. Yeah, I think I remember that. And it was pretty much a, it was headphones, like, do you remember the old wireless, like, Bluetooth headphones where you had something, like, hanging around your neck? Yeah. So imagine that with earbuds and then a piece that goes over your mouth so that it was so you could take phone calls and people couldn't hear or see what you were saying in public. And then it sounded like a closed off room. It looks so bad. It looks so bad.

Obviously, the fact that you've never heard of it means it didn't do very well. I think I saw one person review it once and they were doing it and you could still hear everything. So it didn't even work that well that is the cherry on top is like you go through all this work to like spend the money buy the thing you put it on you look ridiculous everyone starts turning and looking at you and they can

still hear everything you're saying that's brutal these are there's a reviewer on here go back yeah yeah tech review tech reviewer on youtube hush me classic is an original and quality product ideal for gamers sounds like a gpt wrote that's what i yeah yeah wow yeah like a real statement so this uh i don't even know if there's a price or a release date for this uh muzzle but that's what it is it's a gaming muzzle uh this does not look comfortable either because it has to strap around the back of your neck and the top of your head and wearing that for long amounts of times. I saw this in Slack yesterday, but I really want to use like this plus the like triple monitor MacBook adapter and just bring all of this stuff into my cafe and just work all day with all of this stuff and just see what happens. Do you know what's...

Just set up a 360 camera and just like capture people's reactions the funny thing about this is it's not even like that high tech it shows uh not at all a separated view it's literally just a like piece of foam that has a microphone in it shoved in a box that you put over your face yep so it's just foam that's absorbing your, it's not even like active noise canceling or like doing anything intense. And it's $200. It is. It's a microphone inside a box filled with foam.

Is there enough ventilation? Like I would get concerned about. Did you just pass out? I would get really concerned about just like. Your nose is open. Oh yeah, you have to, it encourages nose breathing. I feel like that's the real benefit.

Do you want a crap that would get in there? my allergies would never let me do this your mouth well that's that's what it's saying is that you can wash the foam later i guess but uh this is literally all it is wow all right cool well we had to talk about it um i'm gonna use that on the subway mute talk if you like send us one we'll definitely try it out i will definitely try it we will definitely try it why would you open that door oh i want the door yeah the door has been open what's more open than an open door a closed mouth a door not even being there trivia answers trivia time is the door still a door if there's not a door on it because trivia it's still like a walkway that you can go through i think it's an entryway at that point one or two

marquez has three points yes andrew has three points darn david in the lead with four points unbelievable also quick correction from a previous episode so i had as one of the trivia questions what was teenage engineering's first product? You guys all said OP1, which I thought was the OP1, so I marked it correct. A lot of people on the internet thought it was the OP1 too,

but Anton from Teenage Engineering actually reached out and said that while the OP1 was like one of their first major products, it wasn't actually their first product. Their first product was a modular desk lamp, and they sent me their old Tumblr page as proof, and it looks awesome.

I love that. The fact that it's on Tumblr is amazing. They were probably hoping when this was on trivia that you would have gone to their old Tumblr page, and that's how you know it's a good trivia answer. I know. Next time I'm going to start checking the Tumblr pages. I think it's crazy that no no one else said like that was wrong that somebody from the company

had to pull up a tumblr page to tell you that amazing there's actually this so i'm gonna post this screenshot on the video so if anyone wants to see go do we keep our points it was all the same so it doesn't matter yeah you all said the same thing so we could remove the points and they would be exactly the same lead. Or we could just keep them. I say keep them. Yeah, why not? Yeah.

Okay, anyway. So, on average, how long does it take for the average apple tree... To get to the center of the Tootie Pop. To produce apples. Oh. Yeah, close. Okay, wait, I have a question. Yes?

Is that when the apple tree has already grown? No, no, it's from a seed, when you plant it in the ground. From seed to tree. Good God. What did you guys think would start? From seed to tree to producing another apple. Yes. Like, you know, if it drops an apple and then it has to make a new apple.

That was my thought. Wow. Okay. That's a very different answer. An apple tree. We might have to go closest one wins because I have no idea. There's a range, so I'll accept any number within that range.

Well, it's on average. Wouldn't an average not have a range? Well, that's an average. What is a range? Give me the middle standard deviation. The median. I already saw Marquez's answer. Just flip it.

Flip it. Read them out. What are you guys? Six to nine weeks? I said six to nine weeks. 15 years? Wait, wait. Very different answers.

One at a time. Read them out, please. Okay, I said six to nine weeks. From a seed? From a seed? I bet that has like... i told you i have no idea in nine weeks i bet you an apple tree is like a piece of grass barely all right andrew what did you say i said 15 years i said three years wow the answer is eight years eight years so

technically david was the closest let's go so david gets the points did i say weeks i meant to write years i thought you nine years wait did you really need to say that or no you can't wait hold on this is what an apple tree looks like i'm gonna say zero to a hundred years do i still get nine weeks it looks like a little baby plant in the ground yeah like i could put it in my window looks like one little leaf that has come out of the ground look i don't plant very many trees we can tell how long does it take for a human person to create a baby from a well i know that next question okay when was tweetbot initially released like what year yes i will accept year i will accept date if you can get it.

Two points if you get the date. But I'll probably just take whoever's closest. Take your time. Are we ready? How are we feeling? Yeah. Confident? Not confident?

Are we just guessing completely? I have like a... Andrew's's like yep general i guessed on and then i thought of something and it confirms my guess if whether i'm right about what i thought about is another question all right well read them out educated guess here i said june 2011 oh Oh, you all did months? It is 2011. It is 2011. Oh, wow. I did October 2010.

I did 2012. Dang, I was two months off. It was April 14th, 2011. Oh, wow. So Marques got it. That's pretty close. See, I thought the guy said after 10 years. More than 10 years. He said more than 10 years.

That's where I was wrong. Wow. All right. Yeah, I remember TweetBot. more than 10 years he said more than 10 years that's where i was wrong wow all right yeah it was just i remember tweetbot it came to iphone first before all the other platforms did you check their tumblr i forgot about that wait so i got a point so that's i'm tied with david i guess no yes no because i got the last point you it's marquez four andrew three david five all right noted do we want a bonus question no i would like it if it's tech related yes it is let's do a bonus question bonus question all right guys because ellis isn't here i'll use his question perfect

my lead so i'm not now let's go bonus question oh god it God. It's an Ellis question. Oh, no. This is worth two points. Oh, wow. Just because. Okay. The word pixel is a mashup of two other words. What are they? I don't want the bonus question. It is. Pixel?

Pixel. They're writing. Writing on their boards. Looking very confused. David looks actually confident. i'm a little nervous andrew is putting down the marker marquez is erasing all right flip them boys that was so nice when you said all right with the music oh yeah all right read them out uh wow i said picture element that is correct what andrew what did you say so david David. I'm just too embarrassed now.

Wow. I said picture voxel. So close, but no. Picture elements. Wow. Marquez with two points. Holy smokes. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

Oh, the X is from pick. Because it's an element of a picture. Yeah, so I wrote like, I wrote picks on the top and O on the bottom, and I just guessed for each. Wow. And that worked. Wow. An acronym that actually, well, it's not an acronym.

Wow. An amalgamation that actually makes sense. I'm going to have to fact check this one, but for now. I'll take it. Marquez has six points. Andrew has three. David has five. Wow.

Carve the points into stone. That's a great way to end this episode. Wait, what does WX1000 Mark 5 stand for? X or h x so x is the buds no f is the bug buds x or the headphones x isn't a thing that's the headphones aren't they no h w h 1000 x m3s are the headphones oh the f 1000 xm3s yes x is earbud f is ear. So it stands for nothing. 1,000, I don't know what that is. Why does F stand for earbuds? Why does F stand for earbuds in Sony land? I don't know.

I was going to say frequency. Phone, like earphone maybe. Oh, you don't know the answer to this? No. Oh my God. All right. Let's wrap it up. That's where we end it for this week. Thanks for listening. listening thanks for watching stay tuned because it's about to be busy again sort

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