Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Unpacking Samsung Galaxy Unpacked 2025!

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

This week, we welcome Andrew back by digging deep into everything Galaxy Unpacked ranging from the new Z devices to the general vibe of the event overall. But first, we discuss the reaction to the Nothing Phone 3 review and David tries again to convince Marques that the Fairphone 6 minimal switch is a good idea. Lastly, Andrew tries to explain some breaking F1 news in real time to David and Marques in terms of tech. It was a fun one! Links: MKBHD - ⁠Nothing Phone 3 review MKBHD - Z Flip 7 and Z Fold 7 Impressions Wix (Sponsored) - Free trial for our listeners! Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and new and better to use both closed and open. So the outside display is wider, the bezels are thinner and the entire phone is dramatically thinner. So using it closed feels closer than ever to a regular phone. What is up people of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques.

I'm Andrew.. I'm Andrew. And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. Oh, we're back. Okay, so this episode. Available on Amazon now. Oh. Oh, that is true. That is true.

But this episode, we're talking about some other stuff. We have Samsung Unpacked this week. We have some last Nothing Phone 3 thoughts. We also have Fair Phone 6 in the house. And we're gonna try another sports analogy with the Formula One. Oh no. Because it seems to be working. We're good at explaining things with tech. So we're gonna try another sports analogy with the Formula One. Because it seems to be working.

We're good at explaining things with tech. So we're gonna try it. We're gonna try it. It's just good that David knows zero things about sports. Like there's like an infinite well. Dude, that guy broke his foot. No, he tore his Achilles. Is that what you're talking about?

Achilles is part of your foot, right? He's talking about Tyrese. Wow. Tyrese. Close enough. No, that's Tyrese. This is perfect. Anyway, we'll get there. But first, this fun fact is episode number 299

of the Waveform podcast. And so we had a fun idea for episode number 300 next week, we're gonna live stream it. We're gonna live stream our 300th ever waveform recording. So if you haven't already subscribed to this channel, if you want to see a chaotic, inspired by South by Southwest attempt at going live and talking to you guys and celebrating number 300

and talking tech and doing all the stuff, get subscribed. You'll be able to see that and it'll be a good time. Hopefully nothing breaks. And if you wanna actually like mark it on your calendar and not just be staring at your phone for the bell. Sure. Tuesday, July 15th, 11 a.m. EST is our hope. That's what we're going to try.

Run a practice run. We are running another practice run. That's when it should go live. We'll try to not be like the WAN show and be like 45 minutes late every week. Damn. Shots fired. I didn't know it did that. Don't say that, David, because now we're going to if we're 45 minutes late every week. Damn! Shots fired, I didn't know it did that. Don't say that David, because now we're gonna, if we're 45 minutes late, you have it on record. I said we will try.

Then Linus is gonna be like, we're not gonna be like wave four. Okay. 46 minutes late. But Linus laughs at himself every week and says, we're 45 minutes late this week. I'm sure there's a good reason why they're late, and we're gonna find out that reason.

Yeah, ourselves. And then we're 45 minutes late as well. Absolutely. But yeah, that's when you can mark your calendar if you wanna join us, it'll be a fun time. Okay, we have the Nothing Phone 3 again. The review is up now since the last episode. If you have any other thoughts or closing interesting things

to say about it, this would be the time. I generally, okay, here's my complaint with the Nothing Phone 3 and the reviews and what happened afterwards. I reviewed the phone. It is a pretty decent phone, but it is expensive for what you're getting. And so I talked about that.

I talked about how they're using this first true flagship as a marketing term, basically, and you expect the best phone ever or whatever, but it's not actually giving us the best parts, so I talked about that. But then also, aesthetically speaking, I mean, if you watch some other people's reviews, if you watch Mr. Mobile's review especially,

it is a unique looking phone, and you don't really get that very often, especially in the slab world, and so you kind of have to give them at least a little bit of credit for that too. So many other phones just look the same. And I love using analogies, it's my favorite thing to do. So my analogy that I made was,

well we've talked about how everything in like, yeah, carcinization, they're all turning into crabs. All these crustaceans are evolving into crabs and it's hilarious, and we've joked about that before. I brought that into the video as like, look, all these other smartphones, these actual flagships, the Play It Safe, we need to sell as many as possible flagships,

are generic. They're all turning into the same thing. And you look at them all next to each other, and they all look the same. And year after year, they continue to look the same. So when something comes along that's a little different, you know, you might not love it, but at least it's different.

At least they're trying something. And so maybe I called it like a different crustacean, a lobster, and it's just different from the rest of the crabs. And I give it credit for that, but I think then the nothing people like loved that particular analogy and like ran with just that part of the video,

which whatever to their credit, their marketers, they do what they want to do. But yeah, what are your thoughts on the lobster versus- Just to go on that, they didn't just, they went off on it. One of them made it their bio or their username? I think he's the co-founder of nothing wrote just like, he put a lobster on his, you know, like username on Twitter and said,

people will eventually get it lobster. And then someone said, it as Gen 4 doesn't justify the price tag. And he said, the lobster does. Which like, what do you mean? No, I, dude, it's because you know what it is? It's that lobsters are kind of freaky. Like you ever seen a lobster up close?

They look weird. They're freaky. They look like crabs. But no. I like the blue one. Yeah, but a lot. Crabs are even weirder than that. No, no, no.

Crab makes sense. Crab is logic. You know what I mean? Crab, it's got legs. You can see. Flat. It's got, why does a lobster have fins, bro? Do they have fins?

Yeah. Actually, we're the reading about it. Why does it have pinch fins, bro? They have fins. Yeah. Why does it have pinchy hands and food hands? Cause they're in the water. They have separate hands for ma-ma-ma and separate hands for gobble. Lobsters are weird. I mean, that's dope. No, but they're freaky.

They're like alien sea bugs. And so like, I think there are people who take pride in having the freaky option, you know? I really think that's what you're hitting on. Yeah. I love eating bugs. I have a, okay, this is Nothing's YouTube channel. If you scroll down a little bit, three of the videos have your face in their thumbnails.

Yeah, okay, so I was gonna talk about this. Actually, one of the top comments was, I can't wait to see the Nothing CEO react to this one because they react to all the reviews and that's the thing that they've done before. The other though was, taking it out of context like that kind of feels, if you don't know what's happening,

feels like we collaborated with them or something. This is what happens, we make our video and we try to make the best video possible. And then, this happens a lot, the company sees the review and goes, "'Ooh, we like that quote, can we use it? And they might wanna take part of the video or take a quote and use it on their website

or use it in something or whatever, or make it their Twitter, but whatever they're doing. None of that, I don't tell them or make my videos for them to do that, that's just something they decided to do, just so that is clear. I think it's pretty clear because the title of the video was They Lied.

And then they were like, oh cool, you talked about lobster and then they made their like yeah. Yeah the uh, what's this thing called again? It's new Matrix the glyph matrix They started posting pictures of it with the lobster and the glyph matrix and then this is the nothing India account that posted it next To a bunch of iPhones with crabs on them and since I that say, crab song. Which they're not wrong about that. This is a little bit refreshing though, now that I've had roughly 24 hours to sit with it, it's so nice for this to happen with something positive.

Cause normally you do a review of a product and you say a lot of good things about it and then you say one negative thing and the company just gets so mad and all the fans are online hating you and like, what is happening? How then you say like one negative thing and the company just like gets so mad and all the fans are online hating you and like what is happening or how could you say it? It's like I did a whole video saying how good of a phone it is, I just don't like this one thing.

And this is flipped. It's like you did this one small compliment and that's the one they're going with. Yeah, when the title is they lied. Notice how they haven't linked to the review in any of the posts referencing it to show people where the reference came from. That's true. when the title is they lied. Notice how they haven't linked to the review in any of the posts referencing it to show people where the reference came from.

That's true. I also have a small correction from the video. I said in the video that they had 2160 Hertz PWM dimming, which is a useful feature for people who are affected by that. A lot of OLEDs when you go all the way to the bottom of the lowest brightness, a flicker. And so when they can have good, high quality PWM dimming,

that's less irritating for those people's eyes. The phone actually doesn't. It actually has 960 Hertz PWM dimming. It was changed at the last second. So I got a little quote from nothing to explain themselves cause I put in the video something that turned out to not be true. They said, there have been a change to the PWM dimming rate.

It's now 960 Hertz. While the display is capable of the original rate quoted, we found display performance at low brightness produces the best quality picture with this updated rate. So we have prioritized picture quality for the final retail software. So hopefully that works. Hopefully that's still great for people who are bothered

by low quality dimming. Do you know how we learned about that correction though? How? I had to find someone talking about it on Reddit and then I said this is what our reviewers guide said we just double checked it and then I guess Techspert said that they changed it. I don't know how he got that comment in the first place and then we had to ask them about it changing. Yeah we had that. There's still other articles out there that still say 2160 so. Yep wouldn't blame them it's again this is something nothing changed in the last second to ask them about it changing. There's still other articles out there that still say 2160, so. Yep, wouldn't blame them.

Again, this is something, nothing changed in the last second. Ideally, everyone can update their articles, but here's my correction so you know. Yeah, I don't know. The design of the phone itself is kind of, it's grown on me a little bit. There's obviously a light one and a dark one.

I like the dark one better. I think the light one is- Oh, it's grown on you. The dark one has. I think the light one still looks weird and jarring because of the contrast and just how weird and misaligned the lenses are. Love it, man, I love it.

But yeah, it's a good phone, it's just not a good price. I think it's easy to see all the backlash and think it's the design, but that's not what people are mad about. No, people are not mad at that. People are so mad at the price and that for these specs, there's plenty of other phones that are far cheaper.

This happens a lot. And a lot of people talked about this, like this is a $799 or 80,000 rupee phone. For that price, you can get an iPhone 16, you can get a Pixel 9, you can get a Galaxy S25. These are like the mega phones that like sell millions and millions of units, except for the Pixel. But that's their goal, is to be mainstream flagship phones. millions and millions of units except for the Pixel. But that's their goal is to be mainstream flagship phones.

They're doing better except for the fact that they just got banned in Japan. Tough, tough. Well the old ones I think. But the point is when you charge that amount of money you're gonna get compared to those phones. And one of the top comments on my review was, this is a terrible phone for 799 and a great phone for 499.

And that happens a lot where the price kind of like ruins the banter about how good the phone is. I think this is a pretty good phone. And if it was $599, we wouldn't be having nearly as many of these flagship discussions. But nothing wants to be a flagship. Like, it's just the chipset that people are mad about, right?

No, it's a bunch of stuff. I mean, I understand that like, Like that's the main thing. They're pulling the OnePlus, it's straight out of the. I mean, I understand that like, that's the main thing. They're pulling the OnePlus, it's straight out of the OnePlus Play Store. That audience hates the flexion. Of course, like that's what they're gonna do. I feel like they're doing it.

It's always the plan. Worse than OnePlus though, because OnePlus was like, you just don't get wireless charging. They were like very specific things they told us. And they started making them expensive too. They did, I mean, I kind of feel like Carl Pei is speed running the OnePlus route that happened,

which was like, we're for the community, just kidding, we're for expensive phones. OnePlus got to the point where they were charging high money for phones, but they would have no NFC, no wireless charging, and no IP certification, but the rest of the phone, minus the cameras, would be above the other flagships. This is a phone that is, if every flagship

is trying to be a 10 out of 10, this is an eight and a half in everything, which, when you do it slightly below flagships in every category, it feels like it's not quite a flagship. It's a below flagship chip, which, okay, fine, you're allowed to do that, but then it's also a slightly below flagship display, it's the LTPs, it's got Gorilla Glass 7i instead of the hardest one for a face down phone.

And then it's like, it's a 5,150 milliamp hour battery, which is pretty great, but doesn't charge quite as fast as the flagships. It depends on the flagship you're talking about too. And then you just go down the list and there's just a couple little things one by one that all nick away at not quite being a flagship. So that's why it's tough.

Maybe I shouldn't have the thought take. Do it. Do it. I just think that- Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Do it. I just think Samsung phones are so boring. Yeah.

They're so, and- Which one would you rather buy right now? I'm not talking about the flip and the fold, which are all- Yeah, which we're getting to. No, you're talking about this. We'll get to that. This right here. How about that?

Or like an S25. The regular one, yeah. Mm-hmm. That's part of why people buy it. Unbelievably boring. I think that's a take. We're the enthusiasts who go, that Prius, that Camry, that's super boring.

Why would I want that? And then there's the millions and masses who are just like, that Prius, that Camry, super dependable, reliable, same thing I'm used to, not gonna break or try anything crazy, slightly better than last year, that's the one I want. Yeah. I mean, I think I would rather have the better software,

the better UI, the weirder back, the weird glyph toys that are pointless. Well, that's what you're paying for with the nothing. Yeah, and I think that- According to that tweet. I think that- It's not the crap. For think that for people like me, I would buy that over the S25.

I might not buy over a Pixel, because the Pixel is like, you know, it has a bunch of special features and it's also kind of interesting and all this stuff. Maybe, but like over an S25, absolutely. So, I don't know. Yeah. I understand their logic.

I think the design is valuable to some people. I think it's valuable. But there's phones like $400 less that have the same chip in it. Yeah, and also when the 3A Pro is like really good. Also cool design. Also really good. Yeah, the cool design.

That's really. And the same OS. Yeah. And like the Glyph matrix on the back, it's pointless. Like it's fun. It's so stupid. But you're gonna use it once as a little party trick and then you're not gonna use it So here's the argument

Here's the niche that this phone deserves to exist the 3a pro really good phone and really nice design And I think the end of my video basically summarized all of my thoughts which is this is the phone not for the people who? want like a flagship in like all of the ways of a flagship and Don't want the brutal like highest end specs, but they just want nice software and a unique design. This is more of a flagship than the 3A Pro. It's a better chip, it's faster, it has a better display, it has bigger camera sensors, it is more of a flagship than that,

but it is also too expensive. So if you can get it for cheaper, it actually deserves to exist in that little niche right there. Well, and my question also becomes, and forgive me if I'm just a bit ignorant on this, but every year we talk about, oh, the chip only matters if you wanna do high-end gaming.

But my question that I pose to people who do high-end gaming on their phones is, are chips bad at gaming right now? Because it seems like they're all doing pretty high frame rates on even the best games on mobile. Like it doesn't, I feel like the chip that's in this phone is gonna do fine. No, it is.

The reason they use that chip and maybe I'm speaking for them a little bit, but I think it's pretty clear that most people, most of the time will not notice the difference between this and a Snapdragon 8 Elite. But because that margin exists, you can talk about that gap of like the absolute highest end game that is the heaviest

and hardest to run, because most games run fine on most chips. Or in five years when you're still using the phone and things are starting to slow down on this chip versus the 8 Elite, or the slightly better battery efficiency overall of the Snapdragon 8 Elite versus this chip. On those margins, you're like,

all right, I'm paying $800 for a phone. If I'm gonna get an $800 phone, I might as well get one with an 8 Elite. Like the Snapdragon, okay. Galaxy S25 has better cameras, better display, better chip, and overall is just gonna run reliably and get software updates for X years, and it's like super boring.

You can sacrifice all those things for a unique design and a fun, unique, interesting software experience and some people will make that choice and some people won't. So that's where this phone exists. I think that's perfectly set. I think nothing's audience though. Let's think of where nothing's audience came from

and it is literally though, that is the exact opposite. Because it's exactly what OnePlus did and look where that put OnePlus. Nobody cares about that company anymore that much. I think they're, I almost feel like OnePlus has made like a resurgence into that. A little bit. But yes.

OnePlus 13 is so good. It's awesome. Yeah the phones are made, yeah they're super good. But like OG OnePlus like community flagship killer. The fan base. It wasn't here's a flagship. Yeah like OG One Plus, like the fan- The fanbase. Community flagship killer. The fanbase. It wasn't here's a flagship. Yeah, exactly. And I think a lot of those went with Carl to nothing

and those people are very upset right now. They're realizing that people do things for money. Good job. I have one last take. Okay. It's not, it's, my final opinion on this, because I didn't have one last week, I like your lobster analogy because like lobsters,

this phone is overpriced for incredibly mediocre flavor. Oh, you're a lobster hater. I like lobster a lot. It's just buttery seawater. Yeah. Wow. And do you like, I can put butter on seafood. Like, do you like crabs? I don't love it.

Or shrimp. I like shrimp. Similar, right? They're pretty similar. I don't really like crabs? I don't love crabs. Or shrimp. I like shrimp. Similar, right? They're pretty similar. I don't really like crab. I don't really like crab. It's sea water meat that you can put butter on. Lobster does devour a fire bug. Sea water meat?

It's crazy. Yeah, they're bugs. I'd rather put butter on bread. Okay, but they've been like, they've been sauteed in salt water for a very long time. So it's very like, sauteed. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Not a lobster fan, enjoy your bugs. Enjoy your sea bugs. I love the sea bugs. It's so hard to stay out of this. Let's just keep moving. I enjoy the sea bugs. I found a-

This is like a train wreck of a take. I haven't had lobster in a long time, so I actually don't remember. It's so expensive, it's so stupid. But it is expensive. Okay. We meant for this section to be short. I knew it wouldn't be short.

Do we wanna jump in real quick to close this out? We also have the Fairphone 6 in hand. Oh my God. I'm still mad. We will talk about it in the break. We'll probably come back to it. It'll be like a trivia question, be like true or false, lobster is the greatest seafood.

But you do have the Fairphone 6. Real quick, what do you think of this phone? I've got the Fairphone 6 and I just wanted to show you guys, I wanted to prove you wrong about how cool the essential switch is. I agree with you on this one. OK, so. Yeah, OK, go ahead. This is the big switch. Nice, nice little color. It's got this like yellowish teal color. It's big.

It's right above the power button, which is which also has a fingerprint reader, by the way, which is nice. Very nice. It's got a horrible unlock sound. Yeah that's really bad. Can you put that on the mic? Yeah it's bad. That just sounds like just bad. It's really bad.

Yeah. Okay. Fair phone please fix. But when you hit the essential switch, it like drops down from the top and like switches you into this essential. Muscle animation. And it's dope as hell and and it's called Essentials. And it's basically like a, it's sort of like a,

what are they calling them on the iPhone? It's the focus mode, essentially. So you can click it and you can modify it. And out of the box, it's got these features like, it puts you into do not disturb mode, it makes it so only certain contacts can contact you. So it's basically like, it's doing what you say you could do on an Android launcher or skin, whatever,

but it's out of the box, already pretty set up for you. Does it extend battery life? It's pre-installed bloatware. I mean, well designed. And then you just switch it off, it's like, bloop, mew. It's a tad delayed, but I do like that. Can I ask you a couple questions about this? Sure. One, that button that you're pressing ask you a couple questions about this? Sure.

One, that button that you're pressing, you can't map to anything else, it'll always do that. Switch. It's a switch. It's a switch. It's a switch. Are you pressing it or flipping it? Pushing it up and down.

Pushing it up and down. Up and down, oh, I didn't notice. Oh, that's okay. But it doesn't do anything else, though. That's what it does all the time. Yeah. It's the same color as El's shirt, actually. That's true, yeah, it's neon yellow.

That's neon. Question number two, are they packaging this as an APK shirt, actually. That's true, yeah, it's neon yellow. Question number two, are they packaging this as an APK anywhere else that you can get on another phone, or is this just the Fairphone 6? It's just on the Fairphone 6. But you can change the apps that show up here. Good. And it's nice because, again, it's kind of bridging

that line where it's not trying to be the light phone, where you have to upload your own music and upload your own podcasts and whatever. It's more like the minimal phone, but it's not in black and white. But it still makes, you can just decide, oh, I'm on my phone too much, essential time. And then you're not just like opening apps like crazy.

Here's my only, you know, I think it's great. It's not a gripe. I actually do really like this. I like that it's a physical button. Yeah. Yes. I can, here's how I go. Switch. It's a physical switch, sorry. It's actually a gripe. I actually do really like this. I like that it's a physical button. Yeah. Yes. Here's how I go. Switch. Physical switch, sorry.

It's actually a pretty satisfying switch. It is a nice switch. But, oh, I'm on my phone too much. Okay, cool, now I can't be on my phone. Instagram. Just one swipe up. Yeah, sorry. I almost wish that you could set a thing

to be like when I pop this down, minimum one hour before it can switch. Or you have to restart your phone or something. Something like an audio. You guys, we have to stay in the ethos, guys. It needs to be a hardware lock that goes over the switch and stops you from flipping it back. I think adding friction, for me, is the sweet spot. Because I don't really want something that's like forcing me

to not being able to do a thing. I just want some friction added so that if I'm mentally deciding I want to like not be as addicted to my phone for the next few hours. I would argue this is like no friction though. Like if it was in the mode and I was like, I wanted to look at something on Instagram, I could probably, I could fingerprint and flip this up before the screen even turned.

Yeah, but you'd have to like you'd have to mentally decide, oh, I'm breaking my own thing. No, no, no. But as as someone who did a pretty big phone detox recently after like a week of of like hardcore note, like the muscle memory goes away. That goes away like shockingly fast. I think if you did a, for realsies detox and then were using that, you'd be absolutely fine. And this is coming from someone

who has very little self control. I would say similar to our gym analogy at the end of that video, a lot of this just comes down to discipline and how bad do you really want to detox and not use your phone a lot? Because you could just decide you don't want to use your phone much and any number

of solutions would be effective for you. But if you really aren't that committed to it, then whether it's a switch or an app or a launcher or a button or whatever, they're not gonna work. So it's up to you. I still think you can get addicted to your phone in a serious neurochemical way where discipline might not be the only way. But I do.

And then this won't work. As someone that also did the dumb phone challenge, I just now don't have the apps on my phone and problem solved. Like I like the concept of this. That's the apps on my phone and problem solved. Like I like that. So that does help. That does help. That's not but like I wish that this was a little bit extra. Like if you're going to do this, I don't like that. It's just a switch away, you know, like it needs to go in one more level to really be a.

I mean, you do have to acknowledge that like Fairphone that it was not they're not really marketing it as their main thing for the Fairphone. It's still a Fairphone. Like the whole point of the Fairphone is that it was not, they're not really marketing it as their main thing for the Fairphone. It's still a Fairphone. Like the whole point of the Fairphone is that it's sustainably made. It's supposed to be like, you know, faster and more repairable.

Speaking of which, how's the camera? Have you used it yet? Not much, no. I don't really like cameras on phones. I have a feeling it's just fine. It's probably just fine. Overall, the phone, I mean. I'm a sucker for green, so I kind of love it.

Just because it's green. They did have a whole thing about it being more of a flagship, and it feels like a pretty two-phone. These are two phones in a row now that are more of a flagship, which just sounds like not a flagship. This one is more of a flagship, though. Like the Fairphone 6 actually looks,

and feels different. The screen looks different 6 actually looks, it feels different. The screen looks different. I mean, it looks nice. It looks like a crab, I'll tell you that. Well, but it's green, it has neon. Matt crab. And you can change the back out for this wallet. Or for this like finger thing.

You know. Like the pop socket built in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Or a lanyard, if you want to wear it around. Never seen anyone do that. Yeah, just the cool kids in the Samsung commercials do that.

Kids in Brooklyn. Yeah, true. I have seen kids in Brooklyn doing it. I believe you. Yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to show you guys and try to preview. I like the switch.

I would try it, but I would also probably break it. It feels like one of those, I have a friend who's at his office, they had those chairs that are supposed to make your posture better, and he just said, it was, you very quickly learn how to make your posture even worse by breaking how you sit in the chair.

That is a great analogy for these. People always try to break what they're getting. No, it's up to you. If you want your posture to be better, a small gimmick is not going to help your posture be better. You have to decide, all right, I'm going to commit to this. And then you will be able to do it. There is one small gimmick

that can make your posture better. And they're called sit-ups. Other than that. Will you do sit-ups if you're not committed? If you're doing sit-ups, you don't need that chair. You're just gonna do it. You're gonna sit up. I hate this one trick.

Yeah, sit-ups. Sit-ups. Yeah. Okay. You're gonna sit up. Doctor hates this one trick. Yeah, sit ups, sit ups. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, that's interesting. I might be tempted to make a video about this phone because there's a lot of interesting concepts around it and obviously it's the newest of,

I made a video about the Fairphone previously, but maybe let me know in the comments if you guys wanna know my thoughts and a deep dive on the Fairphone 6. Drop a comment below. I think it's cool. Yeah. All right.

All right, well, we got a bunch more to talk about. Samsung dropped about 30,000 gadgets on us, so we're gonna talk about that after the break, but before we get to that, trivia time. I just want you guys to know, you know, I had a trivia question written and I was so mad, A, about lobsters being denied their freakiness.

And then you, Andrew. No, no, no, no, I hear freak. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait. We don't get to say anything about this anymore. I did not say lobsters are not freaky. I said crabs are also freaky. Crabs are not freaky. Yes, they are.

They're definitionally not freaky. Definitionally. If you've looked at undersea creatures before, there's a spectrum of freaky. That's true. Show me one freaky crab crabs You're kind of mid and then also also Andrew also Andrew. What what is this? Tasty sea meat. Are you kidding? No, there are plenty of

There are plenty of foods that are good that you can describe like that like oysters and uni Okay lobster is a whole other anyway. I love sucking the body out of a lobster shell. This is all to say, I wrote, I went to go find a freaky lobster fact for this trivia question. And I found so many that now there is a segment in the next trivia extravaganza

all about how freaky lobsters are. Okay, so you guys did this to yourself. We're doing lobster facts next round. You shouldn't have told us that. But. We're gonna, I'm gonna do a research paper on lobsters now. Okay, so you guys did this to yourself. We're doing lobster facts next round. You shouldn't have told us that. But. We're gonna, I'm gonna do a research paper on lobsters now. I'd like to see you try.

Actually, that'd be really fun if you just came in like. Okay, guys, but we had a Samsung event today. Yeah. Which means this first trivia question will obviously be about Fairphone. Yes. Specifically, we're throwing it back. We're rewinding all the way back to Fairphone One.

Oh, Fairphone Fun. The dream. I don't even know how to get this back off. How many units were produced in the first production run of the first Fairphone? Price is right rules, closest without going over. Interesting question. Thank you.

I think they just took them all the way out. I'm gonna have to think about that because there's like, a company that would publish that number would probably be somewhat proud of it, but considering it was the first Fairphone, it probably wasn't that impressive of a number. Also, it wasn't like GoFundMe,

wasn't it sorta crowdfunded too? You tell me. I don't remember, but maybe Fairphone, I mean it's an idea that sounds like a crowd would get behind it and could be successful with that concept. Well, we'll think about that. Answers will be at the end, like usual.

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So we can talk about both of those things. Samsung Z Fold 7, Z Flip 7, Watch 8, Watch 8 Ultra, Z Flip FE. We got all the things to talk about. And I made a video, a first hands-on impressions with a lot of this stuff, especially the phones, which I thought were actually pretty impressive. And then we watched the event and my God.

My God. It was bad. It's been a long time since I saw that level. I was trying to pinpoint what the feeling was of watching this event. Cause there's a lot of like cringy events, lots of cringy events, especially Samsung, lots of cringy Samsung events.

But this one had like an extra heavy dose of really insincere feelings. Like they would get on stage and go, wow, that's exciting. Next up, like the one-liners and then the interviews and then the people who are trying to, especially with the AI, they would talk about like an AI feature about you could Google something

and then they go, see, a true, genuine AI companion. And I'm like, that's not what that is. That's just Googling something. It felt to me that nobody in the event believed what they were saying. That's, yes, that's how it felt. Yeah, they were not good at being like, like legitimately hyped,

or at least seeming legitimately hyped. It was just like, we are reading off of a PowerPoint. And I know they do this on every event, but it felt especially like, wow, isn't that exciting? Okay, next. This felt like if you played an example for, like if you wanted to give a presenter for the first time, like something to aim for and something to avoid,

this is what you would play of like, don't do this, because everyone will think you don't care and you are not invested at all and you don't believe what you're saying. But every line was like that. Every person was like that. Every person. It was weird.

It really felt like almost everything they announced, you know, software-wise, am I wrong in feeling like I've seen every single thing already and just like nothing felt even remote? And like maybe coupled with that is why it felt so stale. The hardware was new. Much of the software is stuff we've seen before. And again, a lot of companies do this.

They'll re-announce the same stuff as last year and they'll go, it's better than ever and it's still helpful and people are loving this and they'll just announce it again, basically. Or add a singular feature. And yeah, and say it's reinvented or something. But yeah, I just have this memory of like they brought this half marathon world record holder on stage

because they were talking about the new, the running coach in the watch and he walks on stage and the whole conversation is so scripted. It's like cardboard box on stage, looks and goes, yeah, great watch. And then the guy next to him goes like, by the way, do you have any tips for runners? And then he goes, yeah, run a lot.

And then he goes, thanks. And walks away like there's no substance to it at all. Where you could see like, they thought it was a good idea to do that because, oh, we could try to convince people that this guy uses the Galaxy Watch 8 while he trains. And then it'll be great because he's a world record holder.

And oh, this will be great. He uses all these features, but none of that. We didn't even get to laugh at Sydney Sweeney cringing at her own AI emoji. They did other cringe-worthy things, I don't know. It is what it is. But at least that was fun. And funny.

The AI, look, there have been hundreds of thousands, if not millions of hours of stock footage of New York that has been shot over the last five years, you know? Why were they AI generating that city? Because they can. It looked so bad. It looked really bad. Source material.

Like, and I feel like they might've wanted to be like, and by the way, that was all AI generated. And they never did. Well, they won't now because it looked so bad. Yeah, it was similar to the like unlabeled beer can that just says beer. Yeah, exactly. It was like the most basic stock version of New York City possible

And like we always like we sit around the big TV here and watch these events like altogether as an office and with Apple I feel like when we're watching an Apple event They buy into it so hard that that's what we make fun of when we're cracking jokes around here like yeah Yeah, they write no one here So we were just sitting there kind of bored, like wait, what is happening right now? This is 180 degrees different. You can make fun of Apple because they're almost like,

everything is magic and this is all fantastic. And you're like, all right, come on. The smoothness of the liquid glass underneath is incredible. Overly leaning in, which I get it, that translates to some people, but this one felt like, how does this translate to anyone? No one is gonna watch this and get excited

or believe anything that they're seeing. I feel like I'm ragging on them. We'll just, I'm gonna cut together a couple of clips for us to put in the podcast right now to get a taste of what I'm talking about. So we'll just roll that right now. Thank you, Alice. Isn't her story inspiring?

How cool was that? That was awesome. Thanks, Guy. Wow, incredible, right? Amazing, that energy is contagious. Okay, so now you've seen it. There's that. There was one point where all of us sitting down

had like an ooh-ah moment, and I think it was Watch 8 Classic, the first time they showed that. That was the only time we were like, oh damn, wait, that looks good. And everyone like quieted out. And it had nothing to do with the software. It had no, nope, just beautiful looking watch.

The phones though, a bunch of interesting updates, like actually new hardware. So let's start with the Fold 7. Fold 7 is, they did the thing where it is actually different and new and better to use both closed and open. So the outside display is wider, the bezels are thinner, and the entire phone is dramatically thinner. So using it closed feels closer than ever

to a regular phone. That's like the whole point. Open, each side half is like 4.2 millimeters or something crazy and you close it up and it's like a little over eight millimeters. Close to the dimensions of an S25 Ultra. It's actually lighter than an S25 Ultra. So you're holding the thing and looking at it

and with one hand it's reachable, it feels like a regular phone. You open it and it's a bigger than ever eight inch screen. It's pretty square still, but that's your multitasking display. That's your full screen games and videos with big black bezels. But that is the Galaxy Z Flip experience.

It's better open than it was before. It's better closed than it was before. Z Fold. Z Fold, sorry. They also gave it the 200 megapixel sensor from the S25 Ultra. So slightly different optics, but big camera for the primary camera.

They didn't quite get flagship cameras in all of the rest. There's still an ultra wide and a 3X telephoto, but it is a big ultra primary camera now, which is good. And I've also never seen a phone rock like that on a table in my life. In my whole life, I'm 31 years old. I've reviewed a lot of phones. I've never seen a phone rock like that on a table.

So that was impressive. And then three other smaller potential downsides. One, I know David, you saw somebody using an S Pen with a phone. I realized that I didn't tell this story in the podcast, I told it before the podcast, and I referenced it on podcast if I had told it. So let me tell the story and then we'll be sad for her.

Sure. Okay, so I'm in the airport, right? Be me, airport. You're sitting waiting for your flight for three hours because you get there way too early. I was gonna say Marques cannot. But already lost them. I see this old woman being pushed in a wheelchair

as they do in the airport, right? She's like going along with, oh, that's an old woman. That's what I thought. And then I noticed as she's coming by me, I was like, what's she holding? She's holding a fully opened Galaxy Fold 6. And not only is she holding the fully open Galaxy Fold 6 while being pushed in the car,

she's using the S Pen with it. And I was like, huh, okay. I went from like, wait, are foldable phones only for young people to, wait, are foldable phones better for old people? Yeah, when you first told us the story, I was like, that makes so much sense. Yeah, it was like big screen, big words,

big icons. The biggest font you've ever seen. Yeah. Like you've seen the people on the plane with like the giant font. Oh yeah. With an open fold, you can have it be like. Even bigger font. Even bigger.

Yeah, so the bad news is the Fold 7, no S Pen support. Oh my goodness. They got rid of it, they justified it. So it's not an Ultra, that was my question. Oh really? I had one question, can you use the S Pen on this thing? Yeah, so they use the word Ultra in the marketing a lot, probably too much.

That's what made me think it had S Pen support. Yeah, the only Ultra thing about it is they brought the Ultra's 200 megapixel camera, primary camera to this fold, but that's really the only thing they brought from the Ultra. Everything else is very much in line. I feel like we fully eclipsed the dream

of the fold having the pen in it, right? Cause like they kept getting so close. They like added the case that had the, first they just sold the pen separately and it was like, we're gonna lose that And then they made the like four Galaxy phones for four fold one which was thinner and it had the like special It's a special pen that was like lighter and did it softer and then they sold the case with it that had the pen And it was like okay. We're one step closer to it. Just being in the phone like the note

Yeah, and then I think they made it rid of it So they made all of that progression and then looked at the numbers and nobody was using the S Pen with it. Which is like maybe a chicken and egg thing because it's so hard to remember to bring the S Pen with you that maybe people just didn't wanna do it. And if they just put a spot on the phone for it,

people would use it more. Or even just have it magnetized to the side like this one. Even that though, it falls off. Oh man. Don't you put that in the bag though? Yeah. Doesn't it fall off every time? What is a pocket but a bag on my pants? That's fair.

The S Pen would end up in your pocket every time. But the old women have baggy pants, like trap pants. Well, or a purse or a bag or travel bag, whatever. But nevertheless, they got rid of the digitizer layer. They were able to make the ultra thin glass layer on top thicker. Like an extra digitizer that they had. They had an extra digitizer layer for the S Pen support. They got rid of the digitizer layer. They were able to make the ultra thin glass layer on top thicker. Like an extra digitizer that they had for it. They had an extra digitizer layer for the S Pen support.

They got rid of it. It doesn't support S Pen anymore. Insane. So that's one. Two is, so the battery is the same size, which is impressive in a thinner phone, but 4,400 milliamp hours. If you've seen what silicon carbon batteries are doing

in other ultra thin foldable phones in other places, this is less impressive. Like the Honor Magic 5 is the one I showed in my impressions video, which is actually thinner than Samsung's phone and just as light and has like a 5,800 milliamp hour battery. I have something I want to note. So when I was at Google I.O.,

a Google engineer came up to me and they said, hey David, I know you guys keep talking about silicon carbon batteries on the podcast. I just wanted to tell you that as an engineer, these silicon carbon batteries last substantially shorter periods of time than the traditional cells. You mean lifespan wise? Lifespan wise.

And he said after a few years, they lose a ton of capacity and so Whether or not that's true. He's he's the engineer not me but I think that Probably the reason that these bigger companies or at least companies are bigger in in Western markets are Sticking still with these older things is because they're the ones doing like seven years of software upgrades Whereas it seems like a years of software upgrades. Whereas it seems like-

That is a really interesting point. A lot of the Chinese phones, it's like they release 20 of them a year, and they're just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it's also, so that's an interesting point. I kind of wonder how much shorter they last when you see here, kind of like that. He said like by two to three years,

they're like degenerated a lot more than the traditional ones are. Because you know, the ones that are lagging on silicon carbon batteries, at least now that we're seeing all these updates are like the big major flagships, Samsung Galaxy S, Pixel. That are sold in Western markets too. Yeah, and these are phones that people tend to have

for many years. Where almost every other phone, like the enthusiast phones, the ones that are bought by people who upgrade more often can do that. It's like the, we just saw the nothing phone three, but also like the Oppo, you know, find whatever, and the OnePlus 13, and like all these phones with silicon carbon batteries, which are great and will be awesome for years,

but maybe not the seven, eight, nine years of flagship. People that are gonna be upgrading their phone more often because they're more enthusiast. I don't know, I mean, if you're a battery engineer, please tweet at us or something. I mean, I could argue that the Fold is one of those phones that people are not gonna use for seven, eight, nine years. I think that's an enthusiast phone.

It's a $2,000 Folding. That's fair, that's fair, yeah. But yeah, we'll see. I think that's my concern is 4,400 milliamp hours when it has a massive eight inch screen on the inside is like not gonna be the best battery life, but TBD. Yeah, TBD. I think I had one more negative.

Oh, the Flip has an Exynos chip. So if we wanna talk about the Flip. The FE, right? But both. What? Both. What? Yep, they switched from a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3

to an Exynos 2500. Gen 3. But they tell you why? They didn't tell me why. In fact, it was kind of hard to get the information out of them in the first place. They said, it's got an incredible three nanometer chip. And then I go, yeah, but which one though?

And then they go, it's an Exynos 2500. Ah. So yeah, that is potentially a downside of the new Flip. But the new Flip is also bigger. It has a bigger battery, 4,300 milliamp hours versus 4,000. It has a bigger external 4.1 inch display. The fun fact I just retweeted,

Kristen Selleck just tweeted, it's a bigger screen than the original iPhone. Whoa. The outside secondary screen on the Flip is bigger than the original iPhone screen. Wait, that's crazy. So yeah, it's fully like edge to edge. Yeah, it's a square, but it's like around the cameras now,

which are just punched through cutouts. It's a 6.9 inch screen inside instead of 6.7. So bigger flip, thinner fold, thoughts, questions. Do they have decks? Yes, both have decks. Very exciting. Let's go. You know what's funny too?

They had a part in the keynote where they were doing the skating spot with the skater person and someone was filming with the flip as if it was a Andy camcorder which is a feature that the moto razor brought a couple of years ago And it they have it it's very fun They lean into the wreck they lean into it a lot like it has a different UI And you can like zoom in and out like you would do in a normal camcorder and the UI's different and it's cool.

I'm wondering if they're gonna have anything like that, but it is funny that Samsung's like following Moto on this. Also, Moto had the full screen like way before Samsung did. Yes they did, yes they did. But you know, this is just Samsung going a, like they looked around at others that were innovating in the space, because technically they were first, but they went around and looked at the other

successful features and they just adopted those into theirs. This is not the first thin fold either, They looked around at others that were innovating in the space, because technically they were first, but they went around and looked at the other successful features and they just adopted those into theirs. This is not the first thin fold either, but they just adopted that, they've re-engineered the hinge and the displays and all that to make less of a crease, and now they're the big one. So they're the one that people will see. Yeah, it is nice to have that full screen,

and I wonder if they're gonna do any weird games like Moto did. They also had some stuff where you'd have to, they used the cameras as little buckets and you had to like land them. It was like a maze and you like, I think used the gyroscope, right? I did like that they did just because it reminded me

of S10e days where they did like wallpapers on the front screen that used the cameras as part of like the cat's eyes or something like that. I've always been into that. Very nice. Last major point, Fold7 is $100 more expensive. It's $19.99 starting. Flip7 is the same price, $10.99 starting.

And then the FE is how you get in cheaper. That's $8.99 for an X-Nose, $2400. Damn, that's still expensive though. Cause like when Razer did their cheaper Fold, that was like flipping version a few years ago, that was like six or 700 bucks. That was like a great deal for if you want to be the person who's like, well, I'm not gonna spend too much on a phone,

but it folds? What is this? This is still pretty expensive. Do any of these have G2? No. No. You knew that answer already. I didn't see it in the dock.

I had to make sure. I was waiting for so long, dude. Yeah, the Samsung experience is don't expect silicon carbon, don't expect Qi2, don't expect ultra fast charging, don't expect like the crazy features, just, you know, the stuff that's proven. Once one or two years of magic phones do it, all right, we can do that too.

I can't wait to see the fold. It does look significantly thinner. It feels so different. It's pretty awesome. The rock I also really want to see in person because it's so funny. We can bring him on the podcast. Not the person, the rocking on the table.

Oh, oh, oh, oh. The video of you rocking it on the table is so funny. Yeah, it's the rock lobster. Yeah. Freaky. We should also mention that the FE, the screen is last year's screen. So, did we say that already? Yeah, the FE is fully just a flip six.

Yeah, it's just a flip six with X and F. Yeah. Just a way to sell stuff again. Thinking if that's the one to get this year. Cause I feel like the flip six. Yeah, like the flip seven and the fold seven didn't really impress me that much. And this one at that price,

or maybe even last year's phone, if you get it at a discounted price, well, assuming you want to flip, you know, not a fold. I think this is a big jump for the fold, just as far as usability, with all the thinnerness and lighterness. The flip, I could see that argument being fine. Like I wanna see tests for these Exynos chips

cause there's rumors of like, oh, Samsung is gonna go fully back to Exynos for everything. TBD, I wanna see benchmarks, I wanna test this thing, but we don't have it yet. So I can't really say this is the one to get this year. I just wanna see like what they're actually capable of. Interesting. But yeah, that's new folds and flips.

And then we've got the new watches. New watches, new watch eight and watch eight ultra. They all kind of now have this circle on a squircle design and watch eight classic, thank you. 349 for watch eight, 499 for watch eight classic, 649 for watch eight ultra. Is the ultra different from last year at all? Blue. It's blue. Oh yeah, there's a stunning. No, no, I think that's pretty much. Ultra. Is the Ultra different from last year at all? I don't know.

It's blue. Oh yeah. No, no, I think that's pretty much. Stunning new blue color. And that's what Apple did. So it is a cool blue color. Yeah. That matches with very few things you have,

but other than that, I can't even find the Watch 8 Ultra. Watch 8 Classic looks so good. Like I think the circle on the squircle design on the regular eight does not look very good. Like I think the circle on the squircle design on the regular eight does not look very good. In some of their graphics it looked fine, but when you took footage of it, I thought it looked terrible.

Just looks like it's missing a bunch. And then, but when you add the bezel, the rotating bezel on that, it looks really good. I kind of think they both look good. I think the watch eight classic is the best looking one out of all of them. I like circle and squircle. Yeah, they call it a cushion now, which I get it.

It's like, it kind of looks, I feel like it makes sense. I don't know why, but it looks like a cushion. Yeah, it's a cushion case. Like the circle on a bigger squircle shape. I don't know. They call it cushion, but it's a good looking watch. It's a throw pillow. Yeah.

I'm also gonna play, let's see if we can keep this in the pie, but I'm gonna play the clip of the runner now who's using a watch eight allegedly. Jacob, it is such an honor. I'm a huge fan. I see that you're wearing the new Galaxy watch eight. How's it feel? It's light, comfortable and easy to wear.

I'm excited for the next race. It's so important. He just clearly there's a language barrier here. So I don't know why they decided to put him on stage. Even without the language barrier. Like what is this? Live translation to deal with this. The host though is just equally.

Yeah. Speaking of racing, what advice would you give to aspiring long distance runners? Discipline and consistent training. I guess. But it's not even, yeah. Run along. He's just like completely stone-faced.

He's standing like a character select screen. I even think like this script, no matter who delivers it, is terrible. Yeah, the script is bad writing. You could have the most enthusiastic person just be like, oh yeah, and you're a runner too. Like, what do you think like, while I have you here, how should I like train?

Like, what do you think is good advice for me as a runner? Discipline and consistent training. That's the on-stage answer. All right, I guess you could have said anything. But also just the like, it is such an honor. I am such a big fan. Yeah, that was every transition. It was tough.

Anyway. So that's, yeah, that was Samsung Unpacked. There's a plenty more to test. We're gonna get these devices in hand. We're gonna test them out. Let us know if you want to see reviews of each of these individual things. I know a lot of people are hungry for a watch 8 review. Some here in those but yeah, let us know in the comments.

They did add the running coach that Apple added as well. Yeah, I'm wondering if it's just as cursed. I think Apple's is way more like vocal and just encouraging while this one. So great, you're doing good. One mile in. You're at a good pace. Actually this one it will tell you like

you're going too fast, you're going too slow. It is very similar in concept to me. So yeah, that's all happening in Vascular. If my run playlist was ever interrupted by an AI voice saying that, I would fly to Cupertino personally to complain. Yeah. Yeah.

I think this is not gonna be my favorite feature. Well, we got more to talk about, but before we get there, ad break and trivia. Skababababam. Trivia. So question two. hit it Ellis. Were you paying attention? Oh no.

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Every week we do this. This time. This is tech sports. This is formula one. It's not ball sports. It's not basketball. Oh, it's not put the ball on all the sports? No, no. No formula one. It's not ball sports. It's not Sports no no no

Okay, something pretty big Okay, something pretty big happened in formula one This morning, I think yeah, and I'm going to try and explain it. Listen. I everyone there, those Formula One fans, I am the stupid American who watched Drop to Survive and now likes Formula One, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I'm going to explain to you what happened and you are going to try, both of you, since you watch a little bit of Formula One,

you don't know what it is at all. Well, I know it's the car racing thing. Marques one time, when he did this Formula One explained video, I did it's a it's the car racing. Yes, Mark has one time when he did this Formula One explained video I did watch that. Okay. I learned I learned that it's like more of an engineering competition It is it very much which I find interesting. Yeah, it's it's great Silverstone was one of the most fun races I've ever watched by the way this weekend Adam watched it. It was very good. Those are like the guys with the No, they're not. It's a course.

Okay, so what happened? Yeah, what happened? You both know Red Bull, correct? Red Bull, the racing team. Oh, do I? Yeah. Oh, do I? Well, in Red Bull's ever expanding way

of marketing an energy drink, they bought an entire racing team. And that racing team in the last couple of years has been like absolutely dominant. Max Verstappen beats people to a point where I think most betting sites, you were betting on who was going to win, not including Max Verstappen.

Oh wow. Until this year. Until this year where he has not been doing very good. McLaren is doing incredible. But Christian Horner, the principal of Red Bull, am I getting that right? Principal? Principal, manager, okay.

COO. It's very confusing because like Zach Brown is the CEO of McLaren Racing, but always kind of looks like the principal in Drivers Survive. Anyways, Christian Horner. Principal confirmed. Principal confirmed, thank you.

Was let go from Red Bull today. Now he is the person who basically manages the drivers, manages kind of the strategy, he manages the entire team. And he has been with this team since 2004, I believe. 2004, 2005. Pretty much when Red Bull started. He has been managing the Red Bull racing team since Red Bull started.

And they were not a team that was as dominant as they are now, back then. In fact, I think the story is that Red Bull bought a previous racing team for like $1 or something. They like bought the spot for a dollar, but then with the promise of investing like $300 million into it. That's a heavy asterisk.

It's a heavy asterisk. It is, but. You can have this for a dollar. asterisk. It's a heavy asterisk. It is, but. You can have this for a dollar. Asterisk. Christian Horner has been like the face of managing Red Bull. I mean, I think Red Bull's got 300 million in their wallet. All from me.

And because they've been so dominant, Max and Christian have kind of been like untouchable as it feels like. Last year, one of the main race car designers of Red Bull, Adrian Newey left the team after some, there was some controversy that Christian did that I don't feel like talking about, but like- Did people know?

About the controversy? Did they knew he left the team? Yeah. Yes. He left the team, Max and Yes. He left the team. Max and Nui were pretty close. So Max stayed with the team this year. He has not been racing well. Very poorly.

In fact, um, like bad, not podiuming. Yeah. Like not podium, like a lot. I think he had his first DNF in like two years or something. Also did not finish the race. Whoa. Um, I mean, like this is a guy who was like straight up going into in like two years or something also. We did not finish the race. Whoa. I mean, like this is a guy who was like straight up going into races where he had like, he won qualifying.

He had the fastest lap of the race and won the race. Most of the races in the season. And now he's like consistently not podium. Anyways, Christian Horner left this morning, which is like a big shock to the whole world. Max is still there. There's a bunch of rumors of Max potentially leaving to Mercedes,

and this kind of makes it feel a little more true, or a last-ditch effort to save it. But I wanted you guys to attempt to explain this in tech terms of kind of the leader of Red Bull. Since the team started and was terrible and no one cared about them, clawed them up to the top of being basically a movable object to now within half a season

of not being a movable object is gone after 20 years. Carl Pei leaving OnePlus. But OnePlus isn't trash. Well, OnePlus had this super rise where he was on it for a long time, maybe not 20 years, but he was on it for a long time. Then they had this meteoric rise till they were literally a fan favorite.

The OnePlus One all the way through till like the OnePlus 7, like God tier phones for enthusiasts, people love these things. They were like, oh my God, if they could just have wireless charging and this one little thing, this would be like the greatest phone ever.

And then they just stopped podiuming hard. Like they stopped making phones that people really loved and they started making ones that were a little overpriced and started to go off the deep end and Carl Pay left and started another thing. A lot of people followed him. He was kind of the max probably, or maybe he's the Christian Warner, I don't know him. He was kind of the max probably, or maybe he's the Christian Horner, I don't know,

but he was one of the driving forces between them or for why they got so good. Driving forces, nice. I'll throw one more thing out there. Cause I think a lot of people do like Carl Pei. No one is upset that Christian Horner is off of Red Bull. He's like kind of the villain at this point. I mean, he had a controversy last year,

but he's also just kind of been. What makes him the villain? A dick. He's been kind of the villain at this point. I mean, he had a controversy last year, but he's also just kind of been a d***. He's been a d***. So he's both responsible for their rise for 20 years and also people hate him. He's partially responsible. I mean, he was like the leader of it. So you have to give him some responsibility. Adrian Newey probably would be.

In tech, who's that? He knew he'd leave. I think- I started coming up with an idea and it felt Steve Jobs-y because Apple wasn't. But no one was mad when, I mean, yeah, no one was mad that, sorry, no one was happy Steve Jobs.

Are you talking about like 1980? No one loves Steve Jobs. You're not talking about, are you talking about Steve Jobs passing or Steve Jobs leaving Apple? No, leaving Apple the first time. Oh. When he left Apple the first time.

Like they were, they were starting, I guess Apple didn't really start to claw into the like, we are number one. Screw everyone else till the end of his second tenure. No, they had that for a long time. No, other than the Macintosh, the 84 Macintosh, Apple actually didn't really have a single hit product.

No, yeah. But they still, their whole ethos was always like, we design things differently than everybody else. Totally, no, no, totally. It's just that none of them actually sold well other than the Macintosh. And if I'm wrong about that, please, the Apple II sold well, and the IIe, but other than that.

It's an interesting story. I don't know, yeah, it's actually one of those that probably doesn't have a direct equivalent, because in this case, Apple and Red Bull have to be equivalent, and I don't know if Red Bull and Apple are equivalent. We're basically just trying to describe a guy that no one liked leaving a team.

But a guy who is fairly responsible for this team being the like, Number one. Like not just number one, but like number one by a lot. Dominating. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah, it would like. It's weird because I have like a different analogy, but it's also sports. No, me too. All I have are sports analogies. I have other sports. Other coaches leaving teams who are like dominant. Yes, yes.

It's like when Mr. Krabs left the Krusty Krab because he built it up, you know, and then SpongeBob took over. Yeah. And everyone was like, okay. Wait, did that happen? Wait, yeah. What?

I don't think this happened, but I still like the analogy though. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna make a fake SpongeBob episode. Krusty Krab is the number one. Yeah, Krusty Krab is number one. Rod Bill Racing King, Krusty Krab. He was number one, right?

The reason they're number one is both SpongeBob, who is actually probably Max Verstappen, but also behind the scenes. Everyone hates Mr. Krabs, but you need a Christian Horner, a Mr. Krabs, to make this thing go. I feel like Christian Horner and Mr. Krabs give off pretty similar vibes. Krabs, to make this thing go. I feel like Christian Horner and Mr. Krabs

give off pretty similar vibes. So they got to number one, Christian Horner, AKA Mr. Krabs, leaves, because they're suddenly, like Krabby Patty's not doing well, like they're not getting customers. Who's Plankton in this case? Probably like Lewis, Lewis Hamilton is Plankton, and he's like, yo, come join this side,

because he's on the Mercedes team, right? Or he's Ferrari now. So Plankton, and he's like, yo, come join this side. Cause he's on the Mercedes team, right? Or he's Ferrari now. So Plankton would be like Toto. Okay, Toto. And he's saying he's saying, come over to this side. Hey, SpongeBob, come over to our, come over to the chum bucket, which is- Which did-

That was an episode. That was an episode. Yeah. Where SpongeBob had to go- Is Carl Pay Larry the Lobster in this analogy? Yeah, kind of. Wait, lobster? Lobster in this analogy. Yeah, I kind of, wait, lobster? Lobster?

Lobster? Oh! Oh! I'm so glad you guys saved this because I was doing terrible. No, no, I think I have the tech CEO equivalent, guys. I think the best one we can come up with so far is, and I actually don't know how to pronounce this guy's name,

so we're gonna call him Travis. And Travis started a little company called Uber. Oh, Kalanick. Is that how you say it? Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. All right, Travis Kalanick.

I told myself I wouldn't say people's names that I didn't look up. I know. You can blame yourself if you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Well, I am in your seat. Travis Kalanick started Uber. Everyone was like, this is dumb.

It is a little dumb. And then it ended up becoming worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. Everyone was like, wow, this guy is the worst boss I've ever even dreamed of. There's actually a quote somewhere of him telling Steve Jobs at some point, it was either Tim Cook or Steve Jobs telling him like, no, I structured

this entire board so that no one could ever tell me no, including my CFO, which ended up not going so well for Uber. Anyway, eventually, it was the same thing. Some other stuff happened. We don't need to talk about it on the podcast. And he resigned, you know what I mean? But the board made him resign. And it was the same thing, or it was like,

this entire operation was his vision, was like his doing. But I literally cannot wait to have him not involved anymore. You know, I like that one. I like that one. Did I win? I also just opened up Twitter,

and at the top of my timeline, a picture of Sam Waltman and Johnny Ive came up, and Johnny Ive is another interesting comp. Mm. That's rude. he was putting out bangers and people loved the designs for a while and then suddenly it wasn't hitting and he was going ultra thin and he's removing ports and he left.

And everyone's like, I'm not too sad about that because they brought back all the ports. And the book I literally can't stop talking about, Apple in China, brings up this really good point that during Johnny Ive's heavy hitting tenure, there was this culture at Apple where you couldn't really say no to the industrial design department, which he led,

and there weren't that many engineers. I should rephrase that. There weren't that many people whose primary focus was engineering at industrial design. There was a lot of designers. So there was a lot of designs that broke the laws of physics. That then the product engineers would go,

guys, this like plastic doesn't. You want me to put an I9 in this? Or like. Are you crazy? The classic example is the handle in the original iMac was not connected to the structural frame of the computer. So it was just a piece of plastic that you could literally just end up ripping out of the body if you ever tried to lift it.

And Johnny Ive was like, it has to be there. Like, sorry, like figure it out. They fought over it for so long. So yeah, Johnny Ive, another good example. Johnny Ive is a great example. Next to Mr. Krabs. I like our analogies. Mr. Krabs and Johnny Ive.

Hopefully after this segment, people better understand what happened in the formula wings this week Travis Kalanick Yeah, that's hurt how I've heard every other person say it for some reason I had Travis Kelsey in my head because that's how I've read that name for so long But obviously that's not those are different people when Travis Kelsey misses like one catch and then dude Bill Belichick, another great example. That's sports. Oh, things happen.

It's all sports, man. You can use sports to describe sports. But you know what you can use to describe how much you guys know about stuff? What is that? Trivia, baby. Facts. Facts with the six packs, sailor.

Thank you. Thank you all for saving that segment. It is now time to talk about the original Fairphone throwing it back. How? Oh, so I did look it up. It wasn't crowdfunded. There was a some sort of like symposium, if you will, where it was announced and you could place like pre-orders either online or at the symposium. Anyway, so in this pre-order first batch of Fairphone ones,

how many did they make? Keep in mind, this is Price is Right rules. If you go over, your answer will be disqualified. Also, I will let you guys know, the reason this number was released is because they hit this number a month ahead of schedule Go Fairphone. Oh, so it's gonna be big. I Don't know David how many first they so this is not the total number of Fairphone ones made

This was the number in the first production run of them I'm gonna lose this one because I'm not doing prices right still very well. All right, I wrote trying not to read your other answer 5000 all right. I wrote 500 all right. I wrote 999. All right, none of you went over which means Marquez Gets the point the correct number was 25,000 Wow Wow. Wow. That's a lot. Which is really impressive.

And I was able to fact check that in independent journals. That's actually way more impressive than I thought. That is very impressive. Good job, Fairphone. We love what you're doing. Except Marquez with your button. I don't hate the button. It's a switch.

You're overreacting. It's a switch. It's a switch too. All right. Quick update on the score. After that point, Marques with 28, Andrew with 17, and David with 31.

All right, will you guys pay attention? What is the name of the hinge in the new Z Fold 7? What did they brand it as? So I wrote my answer down already. And I remember writing this down when they said the name of it, but it was in the briefing, not in the keynote. Oh, it came with a nice like cool graphic in the keynote too. It was really nice.

I believe that. How many points do I get if I get one letter of it correct? Zero. Cause I remember a letter from it. That's not helpful. Oh yeah. Really one letter? Is the letter H? Yes. That's not helpful. Oh yeah. Really one letter? Is the letter H?

Yes. I was just gonna say it. Yes. From the word hinge. Oh, hinge. Let's go. I didn't even think of that. All right, flip them and read.

What do we got? That was sick. I wrote quantum hinge. Nope. I wrote nothing. Nope, that's a brand. I wrote armored aluminum hinge. Is that what it is?

No. Was it not armor aluminum? It was armor flex hinge. Armor flex aluminum. Cause they're flexing. How flexible their hinges. I feel like that's like half credit. Oh well.

Dang. Take it up with the register arm. I would be, if this was closest without going over, I would have gotten it. You know what I mean. Armor. Yeah, okay, that's it. Thanks for watching the pod this week.

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