Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Watch Out Adobe, New Free Creator Tools!

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

In this episode, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about everything from the upcoming Samsung tri-fold to Affinity taking on Adobe. After that, Adam talks about the newest product from Teenage Engineering before everyone gets into the newest thin Motorola phone. It all wraps up with a new game where Andrew pits Marques and David against Adam and Ellis. It's a fun one! Links: 9to5Google - Nothing article: https://9to5google.com/2025/11/02/nothing-phone-3a-lite-past-promises/ Interview with Teenage Engineering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlHk4HQDgaM&t=4 Teenage Engineering EP-40: https://teenage.engineering/products/ep-40 Verge - Motorola Edge 70 phone: https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/813377/motorola-edge-70-review Kotaku - SouljaBoy scandal: https://kotaku.com/souljaboy-is-selling-someone-elses-retro-handhelds-for-as-much-as-a-switch-2-he-does-not-have-permission-2000640828 This episode brought to you by: Grammarly: https://www.grammarly.com/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/MKBHD Monarch Money: https://www.monarch.com (code: wave) Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/switch Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take? I'm curious now. My hot take on bezels is... Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet.

Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm... And I'm David. So, okay, this week, we have a bunch of free software.

That's pretty good. A new teenage engineering product that Adam is very excited about. Also, our first real look at the Samsung Trifold. I don't know if that's exactly what it'll be called, but it's the trifold. We're going to call it that. Soldier Boy, scamming again. Sorry. And we're going to wrap it up with a game that Andrew's made for us.

That'll be fun. But first, I want to come in with a little Nothing Phone 3A response from nothing and a correction from last week. I thought you were going to apologize to me again. oh I got excited do I have something to apologize for I don't know you could figure it out all right if you figure out what I figured out by the end of this article okay okay okay okay okay I'm ready so last week we talked about the 3A light and how it's basically just the CMF phone two with a nothing design language 10 dollars more expensive and a bunch of phone pro pro pro no just two pro you are Christ okay we're thinking of the 3A light right

which is the budget sub anyway you can continue but yeah so it was 10 dollars more expensive and has a bunch of bloatware and ads. So first I want to correct something. Last week, I said the cameras were exactly the same, but I was wrong. The 3A ditches the CMF2 pros 50 megapixel telephoto and adds a two megapixel macro camera instead. You'd love to see it. You love to see it. So they're not the same. In fact, I think we can all have CMF phone as better cameras. That's crazy. Even though it's less expensive. And then since the release, nothing's been basically getting dunked on nonstop. Ben Shune

had a great article about basically just how Twitter's compiled all the age old receipts. Yeah, the receipt like how companies are like, let's make fun of other companies and they always just do that thing later. This is why Twitter's still so good. It is. Everyone has

five-year-old tweets. It's just, yeah. I'll link Ben's article in it. It compiles a bunch, but one is I keep forgetting his name. He's one of the co-founders. Ocas. He, tweeted in 2020 2 megapixel third camera sensors are the biggest scam of the 21st century Which is such a great take

Because I've said before like they're pretty useless But to be in charge of a phone company That might do it in the future and to say it's the biggest scam Of the 21st century is really putting yourself out there I think people need to remember that you can just not tweet things Yeah Like you don't have to say it No I'm glad he tweets this because you know how he really feels now

Yeah Well so he since then replied to the Almost three-year-old tweet and said to add context. First of all, if you have to add context to a three-year-old tweet, you've lost already. He said, this is regarding

depth sensors to optimize portrait mode as the second sensor can serve that purpose for the 3A light, the options were either remove the third camera or converted to a macro lens. And then since the community's been doing some fun, great macro photography, we went to later. This feels so much like when they

the quote-unquote placeholder images, where he's just like no no no we didn't make a mistake check out all these sweet pictures are people on nothing phones have taken this macro of someone's eye that he posted looks like an AI photo because it's so low resolution because it's two mega it's like so oversharpened yeah it's one of those things that looks great in the thumbnail preview and then you blow it up and you're like oh it's pretty bad yeah it's not great but also two megapixels like these aren't two megapixel photos I'm pretty sure you can't take these photos with a two megapixel macro camera maybe I'm wrong

It is. Yep, two megapixel. So the three cameras are 50 megapixel wide, eight megapixel ultra-wide, two-megapixel macro. Yeah, this photo is 1600 by 901, which fits within two megapixels. Wow. Maybe you can take amazing macros

with a two-megapixel macro camera. To find amazing. Amazingly sharp. Good enough to get tweeted by the company's marketing guy. In a basically apology. Yeah. So other than that, nothing has also been known a lot of times

to talk about nothing who has, takes out the bloatware, Carl Pay has tweeted a bunch of times, like, no, that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, straight up already preloaded, a bunch of meta apps, service apps. And so their response to it was, we heard your feet. So on the 30th, they said, these apps come because they offer faster startup, smarter background performance, better power efficiency, seamless camera access. That's the reason for happening.

but you still having them pre-installed but don't worry you still retain full control all of those can be uninstalled I raise you that I feel like Instagram should be able to be uninstalled yeah like all of the I don't know how many of these things are true because they're pre-installed if they're doing some special optimizations I don't know

but if I just install it from the Play Store all of those advantages will still be there yes they're pretty so they can always be installed if I want them The definition of bloatware is apps that are installed that I didn't want and are just taking up space. Yes. This is by definition. The only reason that they're saying that this is like not really bloatware is because the bloatware that we're used to from the very early phone and smartphone era was like, I don't know, a random Verizon or AT&T. Candy Crusher, like also like games preinstalled.

Verizon Messenger. Yeah, that kind of stuff. We'll talk about that later. There was like an NFL app on my first smartphone, like HGC Thunderbolt I had. Yeah, people don't use that, but I don't know. They're saying it's not blotware, but it's like if you have TikTok pre-installed, I don't want. They're claiming these are the most widely used apps globally. They are, but they're just, which is, I think it's five seconds to download these.

I think our definition of bloatware is you put a bunch of stuff on my phone that I don't want and I don't want to use and it's just taking up space. Now I have to go uninstall it. Their rebuttal to that is, oh, but you do want to use these. These are the popular ones. It's Instagram and TikTok, right? But I don't necessarily think everyone wants to use the Facebook app or any or all of these meta properties. So it's like it is still bloatware. Not everyone is going to use them.

But it is not as offensive bloatware as the ones that we're used to. Sure. And they're adding it because they get paid to add it so they can subsidize the phone. Which I feel like just say that. You can literally say it. Dude, I'm, yes. They could literally go like the only way we were able to make this so, we were able to make this so cheap by. installing this stuff because we assume you want it anyway you can install it if you want but that's how

we're able to make our products like affordable yeah but when you like dance around it people are not stupid people know how this works yep they they also said so the meta service apps at first couldn't be taken off they could only be disabled any like he wrote how to disable it as this like settings app things fine there's like four or five steps to get into it I didn't know that they could still do that I remember that being a thing where you couldn't actually uninstallensual install apps you could only disable them and it would like turn them off but it still retained the app data or whatever storage i thought that they got rid of that but i guess not yeah i mean there's still system apps you can't just say can't remove i was surprised that they could do that for like such obvious

third party that's what i'm saying yeah yeah like i wouldn't i get it for system 32 a non-removable facebook app is kind of crazy yeah unless you have the htc first you know i think you can remove the Facebook app, but it's just like the meta services stuff. Or, I don't know, I might be wrong about that. That's so bad. Yeah, community's not happy, I think, is the safest way to say it. Nice little

update on all of that. Because they're pre-installed, they offer faster startup. What does that even mean? I don't understand with that. I think it means like when you first set up the phone, it is now faster. You can get to Instagram quicker when you first unbox your nothing 3A light. Maybe it's that important to the experience. Like on a pixel,

I can't uninstall Gmail. I'd have to like... Can't you? You can only disable it. I'd have to disable it. Yeah, I could like root my phone and then I'm install it. Try doing it right now. I did.

I can only disable or archive. Interesting. I cannot... That's like Google on Google, like I'm sure nothing also can't... Yeah. You can't take off the nothing apps that are on it, but people don't consider that bloatware because it's the, you know, the phones, the company. Yeah.

But when you start putting all these third party things in there, it's a little more annoying. Yeah. Didn't Apple get in trouble for not letting you uninstall, like, preloaded? Apple apps or something? Every year, maybe not even every year, but it feels like every one or two years with a new iOS update, we get one or two more default apps. I think with iOS 26, there was a preview app that got added, and I think maybe one more app that got, like, by default.

And they just snuck them in there, and they show up with a software update, and people usually just remove them, and it's no big deal. But there's a bunch of stuff now that comes on the iPhone, and we kind of just accept it. By the way, the preview app is very frustrating. I made a folder on my iPad of photos, and every time you click it, it opens preview, and then it looks at that in preview, and you can't just, like, move over to the next photo in the folder. Like, normally on a Mac, like, you can just hit the next button, and it goes through the folder. Right.

But because it opens preview and just opens that singular image in preview, you can't just scroll, so you have to go back to the folder. Oh, the file app is the other one. Yeah. Yeah. It's so annoying. It doesn't quite work like a Mac. Otherwise, you would just have a Mac.

Yeah. And Apple can't have that. They did update it one more time saying, we're hoping to roll out a way to just take off meta app install or app manager and meta services. We're hoping. But it should be out end of the month. But meta already paid us. Yeah.

Or hoping to be able to uninstall them. It will still come default. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do we want to talk about Affinity? Yeah, fill me in because I don't use. any affinity products, but I've heard people at the studio losing their absolute minds over

and one of them sitting right next to me. So please, please tell me why it's such a big deal, what Affinity is doing. So, yeah, do you, do it, does anyone use Affinity here at all? I started last month, like towards the tail end of this whole thing. Cool. I, sorry. I also want to note that this is important because they are basically the Adobe competitor. For sure. For like their Adobe's whole suite.

And ever since Adobe. we moved over to Creative Cloud a number of years ago and every single thing is a subscription, you no longer were able to just buy creative software that you can buy once and use forever. Affinity in 2016 basically started making a bunch of parallels to all the Adobe apps.

So I'd heard about Affinity Photo that's like Lightroom. Affinity Photo is like Photoshop, Affinity Designers like Illustrator and Affinity Publisher is like in design. Yeah, okay. And they're not subscriptions. No.

They were like 70 bucks a piece. I think iPad app was like 20 bucks but they varied yeah and they had an iPad app which was great the reason we're bringing this up again is because last week Ellis on Wednesday was like hey everyone I don't know if this is going to be the same as on Friday like when it releases but right now affinity is free and it felt like because they they had been bought by Canva in 2024 and on Wednesday there was this feeling of an announcement that was going to come out on the 30th that we knew about which was Thursday so for us, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, then release Friday. So it was like, is this going to be free

because tomorrow Canva is going to say we're shutting down affinity or changing it? Like, are you going to get a free version that doesn't get upgraded? You know, we all kind of expect the worst out of stuff like that when we see it. But on the 30th, what they did is they actually announced two things. One is that the three different apps that they had are now combined into this singular piece of software that you can now switch between essentially Photoshop Illustrator in design through a tab switch on the top

and get all the different tools without having to go through different programs including your file moving between all of them. That's awesome. Which is awesome. That's really cool, actually. Mega app, yeah. I think it's really neat. End that they're completely free.

Out of video editor. Well, that's fair, but we can sort of get to that later. But like, so now that all of them are three, at times like we mentioned, they could be up to $70 each. Yeah, Canva just was like, hey, here you go. These are all free and just available.

Canva's reasoning for this was that Canva itself has like a corporate plan, which is very popular because their competitor is basically Adobe Photoshop Express, which nobody really uses. So that's a subscription, the Canva thing. Canva is a subscription and their corporate subscription is like much more expensive. And they make a, they sell a lot of those subscriptions. I also, I didn't read this anywhere, but this is a theory of mine. Like, I think a lot of what you get out of the Canva subscription is you get access to this library of assets that's made by Canva designers.

And I believe with a subscription, you would get access to those assets in. I can jump ahead. Thank you. If the AI tools inside of the new Affinity stuff is only available through Canva Premium, which is that's like the main thing you're unlocking. It's generative fill. Yeah. But for the most part, the main tools that are like Photoshop competitors, other than, you know, we're seeing this multitude of new AI tools coming into design programs, those are the things

that are locked behind a subscription, which is Canva Premium. That makes sense then. So it's like they're making Canva-free with a bunch of its basic tools as a vessel to- A lot of really powerful tools. Sure, definitely. Affinity-free. Affinity-free. Affinity, sorry.

Affinity is free as a vessel to hopefully get you to subscribe at some point for some of the more advanced slash AI tools. because those are good. Yeah, think about it like this. Like, if you are a business and you are more likely to buy a Canva Pro subscription for your designers, if it also comes with all these other design tools, so that you don't have to also have an Adobe Cloud subscription for all of the, you know, in design and illustrator and Photoshop.

So if you have Canva, which is sort of a like a rapid prototyping design tool in a way. It's also, it's like everyone's first, like everyone who's not a, it's like babies first yeah dude i wouldn't even describe it as that like i can't remember the last time i got like a wedding invite or like really any document ever that wasn't made yeah in canva because they have a lot of like very stylish designs that and it's it's so easy like it's like i feel like all other platforms when they use the term dragon drop are like ish kind of like and canva is like literally the most dragon drop i'm graphic designing thing ever Yeah. So from a business perspective, it's like they already have an incentive to use Canva,

but then if you want your entire team to be using it, a lot of those actual designers on your team are going to need more pro creative tools. And usually they'd have to go to Adobe Creative Cloud. So now if they make these free, then it's like it's much more incentive for a business to subscribe to Canva Pro. Yeah. Because you also get these creative tools. Makes sense. And if I have the breakdown of what Canva premium costs and what Adobe costs, if we want to look at that real quick because even still Canva premium, $13 a month or $100, $120 a year, if you pay yearly, which I, $10 a month.

Yeah. Creative Cloud Pro, it's so confusing how this pricing works. And this is non-business. This is just you're an individual buying. So $105 a month. If you pay just monthly, if you pay monthly but commit to annual, it's $70 a month or $780 a year. This is a little different because Creative Cloud Pro comes with. everything. There's a ton of things. There's a ton of it, all the AI stuff. Storage. If you're picking

individual programs, it generally runs $23 a month with an annual subscription. So we're talking about half the price for Affinity. And that's even half the price of one singular program. Yeah. Of Adobe. And that's if you want the Canva Pro features, because if you just want to use Affinity without all of the AI generative stuff, it's all free. It's just free. Yeah. So as you wrote down here, you can basically make any creative project now for completely free because you can take your phone, film a video, edit in DaVinci Resolve, which is like a pro video editing app that is also free, create your own graphics and thumbnails in Affinity, and then you spent no money. That's awesome.

Which is a pretty big deal. It's the best time ever to be, to want to try creating with like very low risk. I've only used Affinity on my iPad so far, and I will say, It's my favorite iPad design app. I think it's way better than the Adobe Illustrator. Procreate is better at the brush simulation stuff. There is a bunch of under the hood stuff in Procreate that just makes it like butter, which I feel like is their whole thing.

But it's so much easier to work in the vector space and work with text and do things that aren't literally drawing. and I've found that the brushes in Affinity Design are like not that much worse I want to try it because this is one of those things where I've used Photoshop for so long begrudgingly and luckily work at a company

that pays for my Adobe Suite so like that makes it up but like this is the kind of stuff where there's no one around me who is like I just want to edit some photos or that I'm ever going to suggest Photoshop for it like it's just too expensive so the free version of this without some AI tools is like at least you can

learn the basics of everything and really see if you want to do this stuff. For the same price of a year of Photoshop, you could buy a pixel and just put all of your photos in the Google Magic Editor and just do it all like that. Yeah, I think that there's more mounting pressure on Adobe to either lower their prices or create some sort of freemium software that people can use without having to pay for the whole subscription. I'm still a little confused why Affinity did this in the first place because I feel like their subscriber base is typically professionals. Affinity or Canva?

You know? Affinity or Canva? Canva. You're right. Yeah, sorry. Well, they did it to get more Canva subscribers. But I don't think people that are signing up to use Affinity are going to inherently use Canva because no one. I think it's the other way around. You mean people using Canva are just going to now use Affinity. Businesses are more incentivized to have a Canva Pro subscription if it also comes with a bunch of creative software for their more professional users. so like in order to get all the AI tools and stuff out of which I keep saying AI tools and it's easy to dunk on AI but like more and more design programs are having tools that just help you save time it's not I'm not saying it's like a go into affinity and create an entire thing using just ads like subject select advanced generative fill like those are super helpful tools also just like so many people subscribe to Canva you know what I mean that yeah I disagree no a lot of marketing departments subscribe to Canva but regular people just used a free version to make people. Yeah, well, yeah, I think, but that's the whole thing.

They're they're subsidizing affinity for regular people by getting more more marketing departments to sign up for Canva Pro. This also might be, I know, I personally have so many friends who are not professional designers or not creative professionals and keep us Canvas subscription going just because any time they need to format and like people use it instead of Google Docs. Can I yeah, you know what I mean? But like everyone I know that uses Canva has

one project that they just edit constantly because they refuse to pay for the subscription. I got my payers out there. This is totally anecdotal, but teachers use Canva, like crazy. Yeah, Canva's the new PowerPoint. It's like everyone uses Canva. When just worked in an ad agency, all of their decks were made in Canva. Everything was made in Canva.

But that's what I mean. Like, those are not people who are making thumbnails for YouTube videos. I think it's a happy accident that now it's free for all of us. But I'm just confused why they did it. What is their incentive? But David's point makes sense, which is that, like, it's just another tool that their people can use now since you're already paying for the cannabis subscription, you know?

And there's, like, such an entrenched, there's still so many businesses that use Adobe stuff, like all of, there's so much After Effects and Photoshop and all of the, you know, Adobe design stuff that people have been using forever. And the only way to get someone out of that, is to offer something that gives you substantially more value or seems like it would be a better deal to actually get you to unsubscribe from the Adobe thing. So if you're going to get

someone to leave Adobe, you got to make moves and this is one of the moves they just try to try to make. Yeah. I just feel like that's still going to, like, I don't know. I think it's cool. I think it's awesome because we get to play with a new thing that's free. But like Tim is not leaving Photoshop. You're never going to convert people who like went to school for design and are doing this forever. And are also using more. The real professionals are sticking to their tools. Yeah, but now Now you start the new generation of professionals. If you're an individual paying for the Adobe suite and you realize you could save a lot of money

by using the Canada stuff. Every individual is very unhappy with how much they have to pay for Adobe. Mark has someone that pays for all of our Adobe subscriptions. Are you tempted at all by this? Yeah, dude, every time you guys are like, hey, can we add one more seat for Adobe? I'm like, do you really, really want this? Yes.

Because this will cost me $1,500 a month for every single person we add. $1,500? It's so much. Not quite, but it's... It's a lot of it. It might as well be. The pro version's way more because it comes with like more AI tokens or...

But it's not like I can just add. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to be able to just go, I can add one seat for just Photoshop. But of course Adobe doesn't want you to be able to do that. As a business. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. I'll just tack onto this as we're talking about like bringing people off of Adobe. It's like this is like this is free for now. we always have to just be aware they've claimed that I think it's going to stay free but you can never trust

it said free forever but also nothing said two megapixel cameras are the biggest scam of the 21st century so just remember any of these things can change it anytime so we won't be surprised when that happens I mean that's the reason that people often are like you need to just host everything yourself

because everything is like free and great until it's not and companies will always like bait and switch you eventually so you know use it while you got it yeah now's the best time better time than ever to try and make that channel or whatever you've been thinking about because you can between resolve and affinity yeah you can do pretty much everything that you could do when you first started your youtube channel right yeah yeah it's wild you be set to go the new affinity app now has like a new file format i believe yeah i wonder if that's going to be compatible with anything else.

Is that that dot a. F file for me? I love it. I wonder if affinity. Is that because so it can switch between, I wonder if that's so it can switch between the program swap. Yeah, but I mean more so like what you're getting at is like in 10 years if they decide up, now we're charging and now you have like a backlog of all your professional work.

That's a dot a. What do you do? Darkness. Gotcha. On Sacra, an interesting thing I found. What is Sacra? It's like the same thing as Statista. But it's like, not Statista.

What's the statista for money? Oh, Pollymarket? Jeez. It's like, it's like they accrue data from shareholder. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something research. Whatever. SharePoint research or something like that thing.

But Affinities growth has outpaced almost all their competitors. Here it says they outpaced Figma, Muro, and Adobe in year-of-year growth. Dang. And they also do more revenue than Figma and Miro. So I think they literally just are like... Than Figma? Yeah. Wow.

So that's crazy. What's what I'm saying is like like Canva, I don't think we, we're, I think we're underestimating how used and paid for Canva is. For sure. And so I just think it makes sense for affinity to be like, if we have the, the casuals cornered in the market, you know, let's get the power users in. Yeah. too.

And maybe they'll start charging us. Eventually, just to be accurate, if I add a seat to our Adobe Creative Cloud Pro Plus for teams, it's about $1,500 a year. Excel, Excel Ultra. Yeah, 1500.

Okay. Well, speaking of adding things, Samsung added another screen to its trifold, and we've been talking about this. Another screen to its trifle. Well, it's actually the same amount of screens. It's just they added a fold.

That's true. They added a digital fold. They added a fold. We finally got our first look at the Samsung trifold phone. We had previously just seen animations of this and they had mentioned it would come up before the end of the year. It is currently November 5th. We'll see if that happens.

This is the most careful slow rollout imaginable. Like first it's an animation and the name and then it's like a little glyph on their presentation. Now it's behind a glass so no one can touch it. But it's showing it closed and open. So you can't see it closed or open, but you can see what it looks like closed and open. Yeah. And it is indeed a roughly, what, 6.7-inch phone closed and a 10-inch tablet open. Yes.

So that's exciting. That's the whole point. You get a real tablet-sized screen while it's open. The thing that is slightly less exciting is that those bezels are thick with multiple Cs. Yeah, I have a hotter take about that. Oh, interesting. The first Galaxy Fold was also. pretty rough. Yeah, those

bezels were, they were thick. I mean I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take? I'm curious now. My hot take

on bezels is YouTube comments and most of us nerds way overreact to bezel thickness. And I get this comment a lot. Like, I'll have two phones next to each other and I'll compare them and I'll be like, see, man, this phone looks like basically just as premium.

And so I'll go, look at the bezels on the S-26FE. Disgusting. Horrible. Unacceptable. And they're next to each other and it's literally one millimeter more bezel. And they're serious. And they're like, I could never use a phone with that much bezel. I'm like, dude, if you, maybe it's because I'm old or something, but if you rewind like

seven, eight, nine years when phones actually have thick bezels, I'm like, dude, every phone today north of $200 has thin bezels. I don't care. Like, I'm not looking at the BOTROL at DinaTAC. Do you remember the bathtub notch? Do you remember like the actually thick bezels? So I see this and I, you know, yeah, the bezels are a little thicker, but they're not even that much thicker than real bezels. The first fold had that crazy like outside screen like that. That was genuinely you can complain about how thick the bezels are. For sure. But now, as I'm using basically all of these phones, all of them have thin enough bezels. And I'm reviewing a phone right now that has like, they're bragging about how thin the bezels are. are. They invented a new technology to fold the OLED even closer to the edges to get 1.15 millimeter bezels instead of 1.5 millimeter bezels, which to them is like a 40% improvement,

but to me I'm like, hey, man, thin bezels all the way around. They're retina bezels. Yeah, so I love thin bezels as much as anyone else, but I am not getting nearly as worked up. I think people are overreacting to thick bezels. Yeah, I'm not really worked up about it. What I will say is funny about this is the thick bezels are on the front and the inside, whereas is like the inside is this crazy new technology to get all of that and I understand it. The outside's still really thick for just the front side of the phone

which I presume is something they've done already. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. It's just, I think it's also just how square the thing looks. That the really black, big bezzles through the whole thing just makes it look like a toy almost. Yeah. I have a prediction. Oh yeah? My prediction is that it will come out this year

but only in Korea. That was mine also too. Very likely. Mine was, yeah, announced and comes out this year. And I don't think we see in the U.S. till next year. Yeah. And it will be like limited, like 1,000 units, something like that. For some reason, if you've never heard us talk about the trifold before and you don't

know why it's so weird as well, is the way it folds. And we got to see kind of a picture of it closed from the top. And because it folds where the, so the, this is always. hard to convey audio. So if you are holding your phone, what you're going to do is you're going to take the screen and flip it to the left, and then that part is going to have to flip out one more time. And so the way you look at it from above almost looks like if you took the letter, the number

six, and like squashed it. Or the letter G. Yeah, or the letter G. It looks like a squashed letter G. And what that happens is on the back now, which we haven't seen before, is we have a triple camera setup very similar to like the S-20s like S-25 regular S-25s. And when you're looking at it from the back, you have the camera panel and the back on the left. Then the front screen. Then the front screen on the right and then just a blank panel on the side of that because that is the screen

that is kind of living on the inside of it. Wait, so the screen is in the center, you mean? Yes. Yeah. The center of the back. It's open. Yeah. Which is awesome because the Huawei tri-fold every time you open it you think you're going to break it so i actually think this is this is pretty ideal yes i agree triple set up yeah i can't wait dude oh my god it's pretty cool what i want to know is if we're going to let's assume this is the same thickness as the fold seven which is 4.2 mill i think it's thicker each i also think it's going to be thicker but even still just thinking of it as the really thin new 4.2 thinness of like the opened fold seven. Yeah.

Now we add that together and we're at 12.6 millimeters thick at closed, which is funny because that actually would fall between the fold five and the fold six. Wow. In terms of thickness, which is kind of impressive. I thought it would have. The crazy. Original fold was 17 millimeters thick. Oh my gosh.

Again. That phone has some thick, thick vessels. Thick dimensions, and that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, so. But that's still really, that's still a chunker phone. Yeah, yeah. I'm curious about it because I want to hold it too.

I want to use it while it's closed, and I think with a 10-inch inside screen, you kind of have to go a little thicker to have more battery, because Samsung's not doing silicon carbon. So how much battery do you get to fit in this phone? I don't know. Unless they move to silicon carbon with that phone. Maybe with this low volume they could. I don't know.

They haven't done it in any of their phones yet, so I kind of don't. Couldn't you put battery in all three of the folds? Yes, definitely. So you have more room for more battery, which is great. And you only need the compute and theoretically one of the three parts. So maybe it's just all battery and the rest. Especially because normally you have to add it into,

so when it's a folding phone and has two batteries, one of them has a screen on the front and back, and the other has a screen and cameras on the back. Now one can be all battery. There's a whole panel that's only screen on the front now. So I wonder if that gives them more room to shove battery in. That would be nice. Yeah, that would be nice.

Okay, cool. I have a question for you guys. guys we probably don't have an answer yeah it's more of a speculation more of a speculation how many more times do you think they're going to tease this before it launches multiple okay so they're going to keep going five they're going to keep going on this path so right it was just a glyph that was animation first first it was an animation that was in like the system files within the galaxy fold six no it first was when they said the because i remember a very funny story about this is in the beginning of the year when they announced XR at the Galaxy Unpacked event they had this timeline

and in the timeline there was just a trifle that no one mentioned and we were that's what that's what you're talking about with the cliff yeah yeah we were talking to our VR p or the people we talked about because we did the muhan the Android XR people and I was just like so what do you guys think of like do you think that timeline's going to be accurate that you guys posted and like one of them was just thinking of only about the headset like blah and the one other guy was like hold on we don't know about that. It very clearly saw me trying to prod at the tripod that nobody said anything about. So yeah, that's when we first saw it. Then, yeah, it was like a new Android animation. Yeah, it was like an animation that was like in the system files of Android that someone had uncovered that showed the way

that it unfolded. And how to not fold it the wrong way. Yeah. So if I continue to extrapolate and, you know, Samsung's now showing us the phone behind glass, but no one can touch it. I think then they're going to have a small number of people go in and be able to point cameras at it and probably just take pictures of it and then someone will be able to unfold it on video and then someone will be able to maybe make a whole review of it they're going to tease this out as deliberately and slowly as possible because they've seen what happens when they maybe aren't so careful what they're folding devices they're going to give us that IV drip you know yeah I was going to say remember the surface duo embargo that was literally going to say that also

Just going to ask about this embargo situation after this. What if we create a new rule? You get one embargo per screen on your device. So I would be okay if this has three embargoes on it. So then Nintendo DS would have had two. Yeah. I'm also just joking. It should always be one embargo.

Maybe an impressions and a release. For reference, the Surface Duo embargo situation, there was three embargoes. There was one that was just you could talk about the thing at the event. There was one where you could review the hardware. but not show the screen on, which was insane. And then there was, like, the full embargo, which came out on the day that people got their phones, which was like, where you can review the rest of the phone.

The red flags were very important. That was such a, the clearest red flag of all time, because in the meantime, we're testing it behind the scenes and we're like, oh, the software was really bad, it's really buggy. But when you turn the screen off, it's, like, stunningly thin and really, really beautiful. And then the embargo says,

you're allowed to show off the stunningly thin and beautiful part, but you can't show the software until, people are already pre-ordering the thing. That was... I think it was the day that they got their devices. Like, the day that pre-orce came in was the day that the actual review embargo lifted. Okay, yeah, even worse. So many red flags.

So that's a huge red flag. That still happens today, by the way. Like, there are lots of phones where I skip the first embargo because the first embargo is you're allowed to acknowledge its existence. And then the second embargo is you're allowed to publish photos taken on its camera. And then the third embargoes, you're allowed to unbox it. And then the fourth embargoes, you're allowed to review it. And I just skip all of the first three.

Why would I participate in the free press and just wait until I review the phone? So, yeah, it happens to this day. It's kind of rampant. I think that's going to happen with this phone when people get in their hands to review. I'm going to try to get one anyway. I'm going to try to, like, source one through retail

or d-brand and whatever we can just to review the thing because it seems sick. Yeah. But, yeah, I guarantee they're going to slow drip this thing. I don't mind multiple embargoes as long as the last one is before people can spend their money. That's a good rule. Yeah, that's a good rule.

Speaking of spending money, me if I were to bet money on trivia. But we can't do that, according to the FCC. And we shouldn't do that. I'm just joking. We probably could. Online gambling is melting. By the way, speaking of gambling, I was a party of that the other night, and they had poker tables. And I walked in like a big baller, and I played one hand, and I won one hand.

hand and then I pieced the and it was great I was like I'm statistically improbably up casinos hate him and I'm a casino's hate this one rule it's 37 dollars baby 37 dollars I got three aces

that's a crazy wait you sat down for one hand and hold them and got triple aces you can't wait and then pieced yeah I'm not gonna get that luck again if you have two aces and there's one in the oh okay or the river and yeah That's insane.

When I your eye got, I think. Did you have, like, a good poker face the whole time? Like, you sat down for your first hand holding two aces. Yeah. And you got an ace on the turn and just... How did you not take everyone's money? Well, somebody... There was a guy that tried to...

He was, like, 15. Because the minimum bet was 5. And he was, like, 15. And I was like, okay. I shouldn't have gone all in because it was $100 buy-in, but whatever. That is hilarious. Well, I'm glad it worked out. I was like, all right, I guess.

Yeah, whatever. I mean, I have their bases. Well, you know, it's not worth 15. Unless you give me 15 points on... Today's trivia question? Yeah. I'll think about it. Okay. But low temperature polychristylene oxide or LTPO was developed by Apple when they were trying

to get a more efficient OLED screen together. Okay. Samsung, to navigate patent law, actually developed their own similar technology, which can be found in the S-25 lineup. What is Samsung's version of LTPO called? It has a very silly name. It's a great question, and I didn't know it. Very goofy.

I thought I knew it, but now I'm feeling like a manual. I'll give you a hint. I'll think of a hint that doesn't give it all the way. Mark has really bold. You already wrote it. Anyway. Fan edition. You know, people?

On TV a fan edition. Finally, a tech question on the Waveform podcast. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Well, hey, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll either get it right or we'll learn something.

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Teenage Engineering, Vernice, released a new sampler product called The Rhythm and Ting getting major inspiration from Jamaican reggae. Oh, it's on purpose. Yeah, yeah, it's on purpose. They collabed with a bunch of artists to like get custom sounds and samples in there from Jamaica and everything like that. Also, some of the proceeds go to Hurricane Relief, I believe, which is cool. Nice. Yeah. You guys had questions, you said? What is it? What is it? What is it? So, what is it? And why do I want it, despite not knowing what it is. Everything they make looks like a fun toy.

It's a fun, cool thing. If you remember, I think last year or, was it last year, earlier this year? I forget. But we interviewed on this very podcast, someone from Teenage Engineering, one of the co-founders, to talk about their release of the EP 133, which was a sample little box thing. So this is also based on that platform. This is the, wait, checks notes, checks notes. The EP 40.

So the EP is just the platform that they have, which is this like box situation with a bunch of buttons and they all kind of look the same. Like they developed it specifically so they can make a bunch of different versions of these things with different sounds and looks and features and all that stuff. So the first one was the EP 133 that we spoke about during that interview a year ago. The second one was the medieval one, which was like when it launched, I think everyone here in the studio was a little confused. We were like, is this a joke or not? It was, it kind of was. It's like, it's a sampler box, but with medieval sounds in it, like harpsichord and stuff. I love it.

Yeah, I own a harpsichord, by the way. Nice. Big organ guy. When are you going to bring it in? They had organ in there, too, I believe. Yeah. I can bring it in it whenever you want. What?

I've been to your apartment. Where's your harpsichord? It's in the harpsichord room. It is a room. Yeah, it's at my mom's house. Oh, okay. I was like, it took me a second to register. Because that's not, like, a small instrument.

Fun fact, in high school, I played harpsichord, and I played Ocarina, and I also played didgeridoo. Why can't you play a normal instrument? That is an unreal. I'm imagining, like, those, like, street performers that have a bunch connected together and him having those three somehow. Dude, you would have crushed with that.

What's this one? The accordion. We had an accordion. The accordion's too normal. You need, like, harmonium. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I would have been the greatest one-man band of all times.

It was a special type of hippie in high school, I'll tell you that. David, I'm sorry, you didn't deserve that. I'm really sorry. No, I totally deserve that. Anyway, continue. I think it's cool, David. Thanks, Adam. Continue.

Yeah, so this EP40 is their latest installment of the platform, basically, which has a bunch of, like, rhythm sounds and bass sounds. It has a new synth engine that they're calling Supertone, and I think, I believe you got like seven different synths in it, which is cool. That is something that the other versions did not have, so that is like purely new. But the coolest thing, the thing that you guys mentioned probably before we started recording, but it is the little like walkie-talkie device. The coolest thing.

The coolest thing. Nice, nice. What is the like trucker radio called Ellis? Like the always on like. Like ham? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this looks like the thing like if you're a truck and you're like breaker breaker or like a cop. And yeah, yeah, it's like connected to the side.

Yeah, but if like Fisher Price made it. Yeah, like really sick Fisher Price. Yeah, because it's like multiple colors. PBT pressure, Fisher Price. So basically all that thing is, is a microphone. That's it. Yes. But it has certain features.

So, for example, the, I think if you guys listen to, I think the most recent trivia extravaganza, Ellis had a section where he transformed his voice into a bunch of different things. That is something that this does. It has chipmunk sound. It has robot sound. It has just being like a regular microphone.

So you could like talk into it kind of like a walkie-talkie. Then there's a fourth option, which is like a lo-fi version. So it makes it sound like it's coming out of like an old radio kind of thing. It's pretty cool. And then the microphone also has two buttons that let you play for samples, I believe, like preloaded samples. So the whole thing, basically, it's not too much different than their last two products, which is, it's basically just a sampling machine. With a theme.

With a theme, yeah. So they're all kind of the same. You can, like, if you have an older sampler machine, you can pretty much just load up all of these samples onto it. For the most part, minus the new synth, and they also have new loops that you can do on here. But for the most part, it's like, you can just get these sounds, anything.

It's just the cool aesthetic of it. They all kind of match the vibe for every individual piece. The orange green is so good on, like, the cream color. It's, it is. I like they're running with these new themes because even though they really set the bar for the style that they had with their old stuff, they had been doing that specific style for such a long time that it became a little bit like other people were copying them and it started to be kind of an old aesthetic. And now that they're getting into the medieval stuff and the reggae style stuff, like I think that it's cool that they're just like reaching out like that. They're keeping their like identity in it with like these bits of orange.

But then they when like normal teenage engineering is very like robotic. yeah they're bringing in all these fun new fonts and like colors and yeah like pictures on it while still keeping that like creamy with hints of orange and then adding another hint of some color yeah it's just i really wish i was artistically talented agreed i mean me too yeah same what is what does this thing do that the old EP 133 doesn't do it what does the EP 133 do that this doesn't do. The old EP 133, I believe, does nothing different than this one. This new one has two new features that is the Supertone Synth Engine and live looping, I believe,

or looping, something with looping. It's like a new looping mode that they have. So you can play along with preloaded loops and stuff. So they just like kind of built on top of what the EP 133 already did. And the original EP 133 also had like 64 megabytes of memory. This one has 128, so it has double that baby. A whole 128 megabytes. Taking every ounce of restriction in my body to not buy the $630

Bluetooth speaker. Oh, that blue two speaker is because the top of it looks, look at this. It kind of looks like a battery, like a car battery. Yeah, don't you want a car battery looking? Teenage Engineering is like one of those companies where everything they release has like huge fanfare and everyone loves them and then a whole other side of the internet that everyone hates it yeah it's like why is this thing so expensive because it's yeah because it's form over function yeah it's just like a fun thing and they charge for that yeah for sure they have a

$900 version with a sticker on it sick with a little John Lennon they have a desk that's like two Gs something like it's crazy yeah no I this is not price but they also had a free computer case so they just mess around something yeah they just mess around and do things. The loop thing, it says a live loop performance mode. So it seems like you can loop live. Oh, Marker B.A. is salivating. Like a speaker or something.

Adam, did you already buy the pack that comes with the rhythm, ting, and the bag? The bag is. I did not get the bag. You didn't get the bag? Because I already have a teenage engineering bag that John O'clock. You're the bag guy. I know. But I have too many bags, bro.

I'm trying to like cut back. Bag guy by Billy Eilash. I specifically got the version that did not have the bag. Did you get the sock? No, no, I didn't have to say. The $30. That ain't bad. It comes with two pairs.

Oh, no, it doesn't. Two packs? Oh, no, two back. No, that is two pairs. Is that two socks or two bags? No, two pack. I think it comes with two socks. No, no.

They should not go out of two pack. No. Wait. No, no. It comes with. Are you sure? Yes, I'm sure. It's one's green and one's white.

Well, yeah. Well, yes, that's two socks. No, no, one pair is green. One pair is white. Are you sure? Ridum ting. Ridum ting. Okay.

You guys really think a two pack of socks is only two socks? You can never tell with teenage engineering. You can never tell. Yeah, it's hard. Like you call it a pair of pants, you know what I mean? But it's one pant. It's a pant. You get two pants legs, but they're connected.

But you still call it a pair. Yeah, I guess. I don't want to do the sock argument anymore. I don't think I do. I kind of want to stay in the sock argument. Two pack socks and green and white pair. That still isn't clear. A green and white pair.

That's not clear. A green pair and a white pair. That's not a green and white pair. A green and white pair. You can count four socks because they have the names on. They have the different. Because each sock has. Oh, you have to scroll.

You have to scroll. Yeah, yeah. Okay, it's two pairs. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. It's not clear until you scroll through the pictures that you're getting. Because one picture of a green and a white sock could just be something quirky that they're doing. Yeah.

And then it says. I agree with that. I did originally think what was fair, which could be a pair that is green and white sock. I should say a green pair and a white pair if they want to be clear. That's what they should say. If they want to be clear. Anyway, this is pretty much if you are at all paying attention

to what Teenage Engineering has been doing with this platform. If you were a fan of the other ones, you'd probably be a fan of this one. If it's not for you, then you're not going to like this one either. Do you already own the other one at them? Yeah, I own both of these. And now I ordered this one, so I own all three. I want it. This is like the first teenage

engineering products I've wanted. You can play with it. I'll bring it in. And yet you sold your OP one. I did. I sold. The op-1 many moons ago. Insane. Okay. Well, speaking of green things, Fairphone launched the green Fairphone 6 this year.

Nice. Wow. I know. Pretty green. Evergreen. And we talked about it quite a lot. But Fairphone has traditionally only been a European brand. And that's kind of been a bummer.

Right. I did get one of my close friends on a Fairphone very recently. I was very proud of her because she came from an iPhone. From an iPhone to a Fairphone? Yeah, I know. It was crazy. That's an amazing accomplishment. What did you do to sell this to her?

So actually what happened was that we, I had just had a briefing with Fairphone about the Fairphone 6 being sent to us. And then she texted me randomly and she was, she sent me a link to the Furphone 5. And she was like, if I get this, then I can like offload. I don't have to deal with Apple anymore. And I was like, oh, well, I'm getting a six. Anyway, it's incredible. And I have never heard anyone utter that sense of it.

Yeah. She's complained about it a lot for sure. but I keep saying I won't be upset if you move back to your iPhone she's like no I'm committed she's committed but the fun thing about it is that she broke one of the cameras

and I was like oh I'm gonna get you a new camera and she's like no no it's fine and I said this is more for me than for you because let me do this point of this phone is that you can order individual parts and I need this use case to be real

yes so I was able to order an individual camera module that I can replace it how much was the camera module I don't know do you remember no I don't remember But anyway, the news is that they are finally moving out of Europe. They are finally coming to the United States.

So through Amazon at launch, they're going to be launching the Fairbuds XL, which we talked about last year a little bit. But they have a new version coming out that apparently improves on everything. So that's nice. Everything? Yeah, we had the briefing. He was like, it's better drivers. It's a better headband. It's more replaceable.

And they're not changing the name at all, which is interesting. They're just sort of improving everything and making them nicer. Sure. So those are coming out very soon on Amazon. And then also in the future, they will be launching the Fairphone 6 in the United States as well. They're in advanced talks with a lot of U.S. carriers to actually get it registered on carriers. So you will officially be able to, you know, put a SIM card in it and, you know, do that and maybe do ESIM. So I think that apparently they, the company grew 61% year over a year this year, which means that people,

are really starting to be excited about their whole, you know, low, low mining movement and stuff like that, very repairability movement, at least in Europe. And I think that there is a similar kind of movement in the United States, although we are mostly dominated by iOS, so we'll see how that happens in the U.S. But either way, it's like exciting that you can finally officially buy this and not have to, you know, import it and then kind of have it work on your carrier. Yeah. I mean, a lot of our listeners are based in the US and they hear us talk about fair phone so now they might actually be able to yeah so that's a pretty good deal i'm really curious to see how it does yeah me too yeah like europe it's a lot of android phones uh so it's like a bigger pool for them to kind of dominate that is

not the case here although it is growing i guess there is a growing environmentally conscious uh swath of people in the united states i mean ellis is very environmentally conscious but good luck getting him off of iOS. Well, exactly. His way of contributing to environmental protectionism is just never upgrading from his iPhone 12 million. Which, you know, he's doing his part. Anyway, so that was some quick news. Also, we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin, only slightly

thicker than the iPhone Air, but it has a 4,800 million-power battery. which is wild that's crazy the s 25 ultra has a 5,000 million power battery imagining Marquez like in a cave

painting 48 4,800 million up hours silicon carb yeah I love me some silicon carb this is how you enable this form factor to actually be usable

because this is what I was saying with the S25 edge in the iPhone air which is like okay they're super thin and they have obviously worse batteries because physics but silicon carbon allowing you to get greater energy density in these smaller batteries this is the thing that would make it usable and at least be less concerning to me that you could use the

phone all day and here comes Motorola of all people seven Moto edge 70 they go ultra thin it is silicon carbon yes and it is 4800 million ap hours so it probably has a bigger battery than the phone you're using now the s 25 plus battery today is 4900 milliamp hours so it's almost the same So it's basically the same battery as a regular phone. Yeah, love that. Yeah, you know, I am still on team. Instead of making it thinner with the same battery life, just make it the same thickness with way better battery life.

Well, those phones are coming. Don't worry. Yeah, don't worry. That's true. I'm excited. But if you want the ultra thinness, that too can be. Yeah. And if everyone wants to eventually make foldables,

it makes sense to make things that are ultra thin now so that they can just adapt it to a foldable in the future. When I was writing this, I kept getting confused because it's called the edge, which, to Motorola's credit, they've had the edge name for a while. Yeah. It's been their flagship.

They had the razor edge for a while, too. Yeah, and so this makes perfect sense, but I kept writing Samsung edge. Oh. Or I kept writing edge, but then I had to, because I was comparing it to the Samsung, which if you want exact thicknesses, this is 5.99 millimeters thick.

Yeah. iPhone Air is 5.6 millimeters, and the Samsung edge is 5.8 millimeters. Also, battery-wise, 4,800 million-power is on the Motorola. edge, 3149 in the air, 3,900 in the Samsung edge. Wow. So it is doing great versus all of those, despite being barely, barely thicker.

I think it's like... Yeah, less than a millimeter. Less than a third of a millimeter or like a third of a millimeter. Yeah. But so we haven't gotten one. There's some reviews up on it. There's two things I found interesting. For $920, which is a lot.

This phone is apparently just cooked with blowwear. and ads. It includes things like Candy Crush, Monopoly, Pinterest, co-pilot, all pre-installed. Nothing's looking pretty good right now, not going to lie. Including, that's why I said then, like, we'll talk about Bloward. Including a ton of Motorola apps, apparently. Wow. And then they also have ads in two different forms from what I've seen, which is one is a folder

in the app drawer that dynamically recommends apps that you might want. That you don't have installed. That you don't have installed. That you don't have installed. That's my least favorite thing. And then also a live lock screen. and according to The Verge, sometimes it shows links to articles,

but about every fourth lock screen change, it's just a full-screen T-Mu ad. No way. So, for, that is crazy. For like $1,000, it's $920 and you get this. The capitalist nightmare phone. Marquez is your still thing right now.

This is the thing about Motorola. They've had a bunch of phones come out over the past couple years that are like, They're a blip on the radar, and we see them, and we go, huh, and then we just kind of move on. Like, they've been, like, strong in the budget space for a while, and then every six to eight months, they come out with a flagship, and we go, eh, it's not really hitting. Like, they did an okay job here, and it will kind of pass, but, like, this is another version of, and this isn't even a flagship, like, chip in this phone or a flagship camera in this phone. This is just a very thin phone. It's also not a US device.

It's a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4, $900-something dollars to just, I mean, silicon carbon is great, but it's another... There's other silicon carbon. It's another, like, weird kind of miss from Motorola in the flagship space, but they are doing things. They had to pay for the pantone color swatch. That was the other interesting thing I saw. I was like, is that a pantone swatch on the bottom of... They've been doing this. I don't think it's even a glass back, so I'm assuming the back's going to change colors very quickly.

And this is a pantone swatch also. They're for some reason obsessed with this. even I think like four or five years ago on the razor. They were like this, they have this. We have a phone in like black, white, gray, and the pantone color of the year, bright pink. And it was like a whole big deal that they could use the pantone color of the year. And they've just been doing it ever since, as if anyone cares about the pantone color of the year. Yeah.

I don't know. But this one has the swatch picture on the back of the phone. They're leaning even more into it now. That goes kind of hard. It's kind of. I was going to say that is really cool. You have to explain to someone why you have a swatch on the back of your phone, and you've got to be like, oh, this is the Pantone color.

And someone goes, well, what's that? And you have to go, oh, ha. This would be so funny if it had the same manufacturing flaws the 17 orange did, where the whole phone starts shifting color, but the Pantone stays exactly the same, and you just can now see the difference. It would also be funny if Motorola stopped paying Pantone, and then it just turned black like it did in Photoshop.

You just lose access to the color. That would be crazy. Yeah, see, they did this last year. This was the Pantone floor of the year. Moka Moose. And the year before was Fiesta Red. It's just brown. Yeah, it's just brown.

To be clear. But it's a certain hex value of brown. Yeah, it's a special brown that you have to pay way too much for. That will eventually start wiping off in your pocket. You appreciate it and no one else can appreciate it like you. I miss old Motorola. I know they're still dominating. I know that's cliche.

But like, they're still dominating. It's cliche to say I miss the old insert whatever here. But old Motorola cooked for a while. They had the droid, obviously. back in those days, but then they had, like, the droid X, and they had that sort of hard-hitting. The R2D2 droid. Yeah, and they had some bad phones, too, like they usually do, but they had some good phones back in the day.

Those are, well, that's the thing. They always had, like, a bunch of options. MotoX. Yeah, MotoX was a good one. Like, you can get a budget good Motorola. You could get a really cheap, crappy Motorola phone or, like, a top-tier premium good Motorola phone. And then it just kind of, like, they just shifted towards budget all for everything.

That's all one phone, baby. You get the top tier flagship and the disgusting budget experience all in one package. Candy Crush, baby. Real quick, speaking of, like, Google stuff, like, because we were, this is kind of, because it's Android. And we were talking about the Fairphone. I just want to make one more observation about my friend who's been using the Fairphone. She was like, oh, and also, like, when I swipe to the left, it has, like,

these Google article recommendations, and they're, like, amazing. And I was like, what? I wish I was head in the same. I was like everything it ever... My brother-in-law uses them, too. I was like, everything it ever serves me is just like shovelware, like, horrible articles. Mine are pretty good. I was awesome. What do you find out?

No, no, no, no. I stopped using the one-plus phone because I couldn't turn that off. I was so upset. My brother-in-law uses no social media, so that's just where he gets news from pretty much. And so, like... That's the same with her. He always sends me stuff, and he's like, oh, I just saw it on the whatever. She's, like, in school right now, and she's been taking, like,

these classes about monkeys and apparently it's just serving her a bunch of like different random chimpanzee articles and she finds it interesting that's cool for you working google knows a little bit about her i told her i was like there is one google engineer who is like oh my god it's working the engagement on this one note is through the roof yeah they just got a raise that's how okay i've got one more thing to talk about and i'll try and make it really fast even though it looks like a row million things on it soldier boy but it is new soldier boy copyright infringement just drop. Tell them, man. Tell them. Tell them.

You know, sometimes we just missed the old days in like 2017. You miss the old soldier boy? I missed the old tech days of like DXO mark and screen to body ratios. And you know, sometimes you get something that reminds me of those days, which is Soldier Boy ripping off a fake gaming console and selling it for way too much money on his website. He did it again? He did it again. Oh, nice. And I just have to say, my favorite part about this is it's available at soldierboy. which is the greatest domain name that's ever existed. But essentially this is,

it's called the Soldier Boy Flip for $436. That's a 5.5-inch, 1080p. Amelid screen. I've seen this before. 865, 8 gigs of RAM, Android 13 for a premium retro gaming experience, active cooling Wi-Fi 6,

a 5,000-mph hour battery, which also something called the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 does for $230. Yes, double the price. It is the exact same thing, including all of the product photos on soldier boy dot net are the exact same thing soldier boy dot net is a work of art i just for audio listeners i just want to tell you one by one as i scroll down soldier boy dot net what you encounter the first thing you see is him the screenshot

flexing a watch on a live stream then you scroll down and there's a tour and shop button you scroll down again there's a device the flip you scroll down one more time and there's smart glasses And you scroll down one more time and there is just a soldier boy tell on music video embedded from YouTube. Why would you buy Soldier Boy Smart glasses? He has a forum.

Forum posts? Where? Forum comments. Oh no. But there's... I love this website. There's nothing you can click on a 404s. It says there's nothing here.

There is one picture that is not directly ripped from the Retroid website and that is a box that says Soldier Game wwws soldier boy.net as a sticker on a box but if you look to the side you can see the front of the box

is the retroid logo so it's literally being shipped in the same box with just a sticker on the side as a soldier game how does this happen like sometimes I see this stuff and I'll see what looks like

an obviously not very tech savvy celebrity who like actually they got duped where like someone came to them and they were like I have an idea we can sell these this gadget it with your name on it and your fans will love it and then it's actually the celebrity that got duped and this happened arguably with like some other people with like crypto stuff and now with

this soldier boy thing like i don't i don't understand how this guy who's online and knows this this time i can't answer that for you because i agree this kind of feels like a drop shipper paying a celebrity to help them drop ship it's really hard to do this when you've done this already and got in trouble for it. Yeah, I think you lose the benefit of the doubt. It's really so bad to sell a white label product. But this isn't even, this is like not even Alley Express drop ship white label. This is like US company with a patent he's buying and putting a sticker on it.

And that company has said we have the patents for this. No one got mad at Aston Martin when they did it. I don't know that reference. Look, Google Aston Martin's CigNet. C-Y-G-N-E-T. I'm sure people got mad. It's literally a, it's literally a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a Toyota IQ that they just

put an Aston Martin badge on and sold it as an Aston Martin. Did they buy it from Toyota? No, you could get a Toyota IQ at the same time. It was when the EU changed their fuel economy laws so that you had to have an average MPG across your whole line. Is that when Volkswagen got in trouble because they were

lying? No, this is separate. They needed to sell a really efficient car and all of Aston Martin's cars at the time where these big V-10 cars. Anyway, so yeah, they just but no one was like, oh, scamming people, you know what I mean? So why come after Soldier?

Tell me. Tell me. If you buy the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 from Retroit, it's $209. So it's literally half the price. But maybe you want the Soldier brand. But the Soldier brand is just not a sticker of the box. I can't either. It's not even on the device.

Nothing on the device says Soldier Brand. It's literally, it comes in the box that he bought it from Retrood. And then he put a sticker on the side of it. I think we live in a world where everything is just a white-labeled something so yeah i'm i'm whatever i'm even white-label i told my cousin to buy a pair at tozo earbuds this morning i don't know what that is you must say your cousin we're too the fact that the company who makes it is angry should probably oh yeah yeah they're mad they said if you does not have permission to rebrand our products and sell them yes retrooid has responded about so this is not an

official collaboration no oh yeah i just assumed that he he bought a bunch no okay i was wondering we're all that defending was... No, Retrode said he does not have permission to do this. That's... That's cool. All right. I take it all that. And I'm pretty sure the last game he sold had to get taken down as well for the same thing.

You know, you can just, like, legally do this, right? Damn, all right. Leave this all in out of him. I need to... Wow. Okay. That's enough of that. But it was way too funny and reminded me of the last time he did this.

Social boy tell him. You know, uh, what I'm never wrong about. What? I'm pleased. open this with a correction from last week it kind of is a correction from many years ago though many years ago i gave you guys a trivia question and i'm bringing it back it's the same exact question because at that time i got the answer wrong and i think i corrected it but i just want to see if you guys remember so what was teenage engineering's first product oh the exact name

or just like what was it what was it okay because last time i said this i gave the wrong answer from teenage engineering actually reached out told me what it was I then told you guys the following I sort of vaguely and now I want you guys to tell me I remember that happening I don't know what it was yeah same but it was one of those like you wouldn't know this unless you followed it back then type of lore yeah but those people who followed but obviously if you work for the company you're well aware of that I will say that the proof that this person gave me was a Tumblr page so that's how long ago it was yeah I think he was also like super chill about

Oh, yeah, they were super nice. He was just like, hey, just the heads up. That wasn't our first product. Interesting. Well, once again, we will either know the answer or we will relearn something. So stay tuned for that at the end. We'll be right back. Support for this show comes from LinkedIn.

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the less news stories we get. So I decided to create somewhat of a game. I close my laptop. Yeah, we're good. Oh, can I close my laptop? Yep. No laptops. No laptop.

Oh, snap. So what I did was I stole a category from Jeopardy. So if you're a Jeopardy watcher, you may recognize this. It's called Before and After. Chef Jeopardy. Do you know how that works? Yes. You do, okay.

I do not. So you can tell me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe I have it already. You're wrong. If you are unaware of how this works, this category is a word puzzle where each question contains two clues that are connected by a shared word. Oh, man. I pulled a couple examples from Jeopardy. I didn't do tech examples here because it took me a really long time to think of these.

So I'm going to tell you two Jeopardy examples as an idea of how this works. So old cat and mouse team. team who throws chairs at each other during a daytime talk show. The answer would be Tom and Jerry Springer. Say that again, David? Oh, oh. No. So, ready?

You're going to get two clues, and the answer for it is two words connected by a shared word. And the way you tell me that answer is not by saying the shared word twice. So I'll give you another example. Paul McCartney's bomb theme plays as Bruce Willis Ficed Off Bad Guys at Nakatoni. Correct. Oh, my man. Great job. You guys are cooked.

Pop culture references. Do you Marquez and I don't know anything about. No, no, no, no. It's not this. I made all the questions tech. Those were just exactly. Okay, good. Cool, cool, cool.

So, like I said. Are we teams? Yeah. It's you and me. It's Marquez and David versus Ellison. I have faith in us. I'm going to, one, I am not as creative as Jeopardy. So they make the sentences and phrases very minor, just like, blank and

do you create the word? And I have two clarifying rules that I'm sure will be asked. Nothing and fun one. One of them is both of these kind of are rules because of how annoying tech companies are naming things. We all know that. My first is as long as the pronunciation is the same, I count it can be the linked word. Example, lift and lift. So like lift the company with a Y and lift, I will count those as the same connected word.

Okay. My other one is a lot of companies like to put two words. words together as one, I will allow those individual words inside of a singular name to be the word. So if I use the example, a web and native whiteboard app and what Jeff Bezos is the chairman of at Amazon, the answer would be Google Jamboard of directors. Holy smoke. God. This is insane. All right. All right. So I've made. Alice, how's your back? Wow. Because you're going to be carrying us, my guy. I really hope I did a good job because I feel like There's a lot of, there's a lot of potential here.

I'm so bad at this in actual Jeopardy. It's like, okay. The couple, last couple rules, I'm going to say 60 seconds to give me a final answer. Okay. So, like writing it down? No, you guys are going to say it. So the way I want it is I want you to discuss with each other since you're on a team. I'm going to do turns, though, where.

So what do you? Each question. I can't hear us right now. To make it fair, each question's worth two points. I'm going to go in turn. If you don't get it, it can get past to the next team, but they'll only get one point if they get it right, because they got to hear all of your deliberation.

Oh, I see. So I want you to discuss it during these 60 seconds because this is still a podcast. It has to be interesting. How do we discuss it whether the other team hear it? No, you can hear, but when they steal it, they'll only get half credit for the point. So that's my way of trying to comment that.

Because I don't want you guys to be like, shh, don't let them. I want it to be a podcast still. Okay. So I have an even amount of questions, and I have a tiebreaker question just in case. Okay. What's our team name?

I was going to go with Markevid, but. I'm in. Can we do team meat? Team meat? Because it's just team backwards. So team meet? Yeah. And it also stands for Molina Ellis Adam.

Team. Team people meet. There it is. Team people meet.com. Yeah. Team farmers only. Team farmers meet, farmers only. All right, I have one more clarification.

Because some of these were so hard to do, every question has at least one tech thing. There's a couple pop culture references in there. They're all fairly easy, and I tried to make them tech-related. Okay, Sabrina Carpenter. SpongeBob. Okay. Okay. Who would like to go first?

I'll let you decide. Theoretically, it doesn't matter who goes first, points-wise, because even questions. I feel like they can go first, right? Yeah. Okay. Does that host go first? Yeah, we'll go clock lines. Again, I'm just going to reiterate the rules.

Don't say the linked word twice. Say it as one phrase. Right. And then you have 60 seconds. I'll tell you when you're almost done. I'm ready. Okay, so question number one. An announced but never released home device and a Christmas movie from 1990

whose plot would never work in today's technology. Bixby Home alone. Yeah, Bixby Home alone. But it's Galaxy Home, right? Is it the name of the product? Yeah, Galaxy Home alone. Samsung Galaxy Home is the name of the product, right? Yeah.

Okay, and it's home alone. Wait, what was the movie again? Say it again? A Christmas movie from 1990, whose plot would never work with today's technology. Yeah, home alone. So I think it's Samsung Galaxy Home Alone. Yeah. All right, Samsung Galaxy Home Alone, final answer. Yeah, let's go.

Not Home Alone, too? Is that from 1990? Lost in New York. Lost in New York. That was good. I'm glad I knew the movie because I usually don't know the movie. Yeah. Damn.

I tried to make the pop culture references not too. crazy but some of them it's hard to link a lot of names when every product device just ends in a number and it's really hard to link a number into another tech product you know what weirdly gave it away for me what i it is burned into my brain that home alone is came out in 1990 because of how many bar trivia questions are this 80s movie uh did not actually come out in the 80s oh yeah this quintessential 80s movie best christmas movie else and i have slated at bar trivia before, by the way. It is true. Okay, a Siri-based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPad and broadcast. HomePod. What is a portmanteau? Oh, I get it. HomePod mini. Wait, portmanteau of what?

Of broadcast and... iPod. iPod. A Siri-based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPod and broadcast. Wait, the Siri smart speaker, so it would be like, home... podcast, HomePod Procast, Home Podcasts, Home Podcast Pro. You just got to give me a final answer on that. I can't clarify it on. It's definitely one of those. It's HomePod. Apple Home Podcast. Yeah. Wait, we read that too. Very nice.

Good job. I still, I blanked out. I don't know what we just answered. Portmanteau. Yeah, that's a portmanteau. Like a port wine. I don't know what a portmanteau is. That's when you smash two words. I put that in because I know Ellis has used that word in trivia before yes okay true all right ready marquez and David toe is black from hiking so much you should get that checked out I get showt how is that not a soundboarder you should get that check out okay all right okay ready yeah Microsoft's cloud service and

the documentary that got Americans interested in the most technologically advanced motor racing okay the documentary the F1 documentary is right to survive drive to survive and then it's azure azure drive what is it is it azure drive Mike can you say the first one again Microsoft's cloud service cloud Microsoft Azure I got it oh one nice drive to survive drive to serve one I got to stop writing this down Microsoft one one drive to survive one Microsoft one drive sold us out yes Microsoft one drive to survive yeah yeah sit maybe you don't need 60 seconds but we'll keep going no no we need 60 seconds one of the worst Microsoft operating systems and a web

known for selling custom business cards and other marketing materials oh what it's uh it's uh one of the vista print windows vista print yeah correct sorry yeah i have a button we have used vista print in the past yeah it's actually i regret to inform you wait did you say it was bad vista print no i said my no it's one of the worst Microsoft gotcha gotcha okay in my head i was like Windows 8? Yeah, that's what I said one of. I didn't want to. Yeah, yeah.

I'm being, okay, these seem easy. I hope they get harder. I was worried these would either all be way too easy or way too hard. Yeah. All right. Marquez and David, ready? Mark Haven. Mark Haven.

The third best-selling non-bundled Wii game and the 2020 MKBHD phone of the year. Oh, I know it. Oh, I know it. I know it. Start that countdown to my stuff. Mario Carre was probably the first best set. Oh, we? You said we game.

We game. Come on, baby. Wait, stop, stop, no. Okay, so. Was it, we Sports was bundled. That was bundled. What about Super Smash Bros? Super Smash Bros. Browl.

So what was your, what was your phone of the year? That's what I'm trying to think back to, 2020. 2020. I think it was this, Galaxy S-20 FE. I think. If I go back for it, S-22 or S-20. Let's go with Samsung Galaxy S-20. F.E.

Third best selling 40 seconds. Left? No, no. At 40 seconds. 15 months? Super Smash Bros. brawl.

Hmm. Third best selling Wii game. That was not bundled. S20? What was S? Oh. We Sports Resort or We music?

Give it to me. I have no idea. I don't know the third best selling non-bundled Wii games. It's Super Mario Galaxy S-20 Ultra baby so close what

you said it out loud no there's just no points for Mario Galaxy S20 FE you said time's up yeah I know but you said you got it wrong S20 Ultra as opposed to

FE I said S20 FE and Marcus said it out loud I didn't think an FE whatever would fall as 20 Ultra was a very bad phone that might have been the bus thing I am so do you I just had to sit there and listen to them not remember they said the word galaxy and Wii game what 10

You can't give me, you can't give me the points for that? He's incredible and I'm glad it sold well. And I'll also say, like, that's a good way of taking this is like, you guys had one that you were sure of. So how do you then link that into something else? I wasn't sure of it. I was like,

I couldn't remember the phone. I shouldn't have thought about Galaxy. I was really surprised you didn't when Marquez said Galaxy S20FE. And then I'm surprised. The reason I picked 2020 is because Ultras won so many times. Did you know that Super Mario Galaxy was a game? Yeah. It's an amazing game.

I knew David. I thought this was a perfect David Marquez question. They were definitely people in the comments section like me. Me! Is this how it feels when you guys beg me for points? Because I'm pretty hot right now. This is why people are always like, David takes this too seriously.

God, that was 60 seconds of excruciating pain. That's going to be that is possibly the best Wii game. It is so good. A little where this next one is going to be hard, but it feels to me, to me that felt like a Marquez David question. This feels like an

Adam Ellis question. Excuse you. Team meet. But they get 60 seconds. Team meet. Okay. The acronym BIOS and a folder

you should never delete. System 32. Is that the folder? The acronym like BIOS. My brother. What? B.I.

Bro, you send us acronyms all the time. Okay. I'm, it's canon that I'm annoying. BIO system 302. Is it like, Like, bin, B, B, E, O, S. Can I ask Gemini?

No, B-E-O operating system 32. It's something, something operating system 32, right? Where's it 402? Bit integer operating system 32. People are yelling at it. Let me know for final answer. Is it 32 or 42? 42, I don't know.

That's true. I hate Windows so much. If it just said it earlier this episode, I feel like... I did. David didn't mention... How much... Five seconds.

Five seconds? I'll let you answer. I'll let you take it. Is the first word bin? Okay. Before we say it, before we say it, because we can talk for... Okay. How long...

Do you start in the timer again? If they get one syllable off, you cannot get them... Oh, no, no. They have to get the... I think it's very specific. I think it's clearly operating system because it's system 32. Yeah.

The question is, what does the B and the I stand for? Isn't that when you boot up? Isn't it like the BIOS is when you first boot up? So is it something like boot up something operating system? I don't know. Or is it like boot? I'm sorry, we're going to get flames so hard by Windows users.

Every tutorial I've ever watched is like collapsing in words on itself. I mean, we all know what the BIOS is like when you boot into the BIOS, but like one we ever had to know what BIOS stands for. I don't know. What we wrote was binary integer operating system. Yeah. I don't think that's right.

So I have to think a little more. Is it binary boot? I swear to God if you give it. 20 seconds. Ellis, it's very, it's, it's literally could be nothing else in operating system. No.

Bin is short for. Binary? Bin. Bin? But I don't know if it's bin, no. B-I-O-S. All right. Five seconds.

binary integer operating system 32. All right. Thank God. Yeah, we're going to get flamed. Basic input output system 32. Basic input output system. That's what bio stands for. Huh.

Well, I don't think I knew that. I don't. I don't think I knew that. I don't think I knew that either. Which makes me feel stupid. They don't teach you that into computer science. I'll tell you that. I didn't take computer science.

At least not in my hippie school. I've just broken a lot of phones. I booted into plenty of bios. I've never seen basic infinite. I did a lot of vector calculus. No, you guys should be winning because you stole one. No, we didn't. Or you didn't.

Okay, no, then you're tied. We're tied. We're tied. It's two, two. Okay. I'm going to kind of give a hint here, but not really, but only because I sort of messed the question up, but I still want to use it. Okay.

The linked word. one of them uses the plural one of them uses the singular I'll accept either way you say it okay I don't think that's too much of a hand all right ready yeah this is Marquez and David one of Google's many killed services and the quote internet's phone book

the internet's phone book is wicked wait no yeah I thought the same thing internet's phone book HGTP I got it oh DNS DNS DNS but this This is like something with a plural or singular. What is the first part of that, Andrew?

One of Google's many killed services. What does DNS stand for? Domain name system. Domain name system. So what is the killed? Google domains got killed. So Google domain name system. That would be it.

Google domains got killed and domain domain and domain. Yes. Yes. Final answer? Google domains name system. Yes. That was a good one. Why can we get that one?

We get System 3, too. That was good. Okay. There's just so many Google services to choose from there. They did kill it, and now I have to pay square. Okay. You, Squarespace. Did you know that the week that we changed, MKBHG.com, we were on Google Domain.

We were on Squarespace for forever, and I was finally like, you know what? Let's change Google domains once and for all. And then we switched, and they were like, oh, this still exists. And they killed it. Yeah, they sold it. It was terrible. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. Adam and Ella. I mean, team meet, sorry. Thank you. Okay. Team meat, finally. Google's magnetic technology and a social media app with a spooky logo.

What is Pixel Snapchat? God, that was so easy. I can't believe Alice got PixelSnap that quick. I mean, yeah, I had that too. Spooky logo. I wouldn't even need that timer. Okay, this one, I think these next two are potentially a little harder. Oh, no.

Okay. Okay. An all-in-one productivity app and an app that destroyed. productivity oh okay so these are actual app names yeah so an all one productivity app is like all in one yeah but it's probably multiple an app that destroys productivity which would social media tick to tick tick tick oh an all in one oh productivity app being tick tick tick and tick tick to destroying productivity being tick talk i like that tick tick tick tick tick talk yeah let's yeah tick tick tick talk yeah it's nice nice

That was good. It's a fun game. We got there. Yeah. I like this game. Okay. Tick, is not an all-in-one productivity app, by the way.

It's literally how it- It's a couple in one. It's a couple in one. Yeah. I took it. I'm sure that's how they market themselves. It's literally, you Google it. It says Tick-Tick,

you're all-in-one productivity. It is straight from there. It's got a calendar in there. Define all. Team meet. To meet. You never said Markavit again. Sorry, I will try and remember.

Okay. It's a ship name. The subject of the most. organically viewed MKBHD video and organically and a product

that appears twice on Marquez's desk yeah um the most organically oh

is that um did it twice on my desk two speakers no wait what's the most organically viewed

I was just looking at this yesterday for a deck no I have no idea okay but is that kind of video

pro oh the way you phrase it yes because you're you by organically you mean retro tech there's a retro tech that's number one yeah and there's another one it's not exactly actually no this is higher than that it's at 30 seconds by the way it's to have all phrase it again for you if it comes it has to be pro do you want me to phrase

the question again yeah yeah please the subject of the most organically viewed mkbhd video and a product that appears on marquez's desk twice is it 15 seconds is it Apple vision pro display xDR oh my god that was nice alice We got there. I just want you to know. I was almost tricked by that one. That's, that was hard. Okay.

Okay. I guess I'm going to go to the tie. I have two more for each of you and then a tiebreaker. Okay. Let's go, baby. All right. Markavid. Yep.

Thank you. Thank you. An app to hire a same-day handyman and a barely reviewable AI assistant device. Task rabbit. Oh, it's TaskRbit. It's just TaskRBit R1. TaskR1. Yes.

I'm trying. That was pretty good. What are you talking about? No, that was good. I went to Handy. Handy is an app. I'm a little worried this next question more favors Marquez. Like the last one?

Hasn't stopped us yet. But now it's their turn, so let's see. I'm just making sure I keep score. Okay. Ready? Ready? The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface. A vibrant smartphone user interface.

So Samsung One UI. and the third version Handheld console I don't know a single The third version of a popular Handheld Gaming Console and a vibrant Smartphone user interface

Okay Steam Deck Gameboy DS But the 3DS is the fourth iteration of that console So maybe it can't be that The third is the DSI Is there any like Android?

DOS You guys can't look at me for like hints on that That's it for sure The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface. Is there one that like starts with Switch? Like, is there? I'm so excited.

15 seconds left. We about a dub. I kind of want to go with DSIOS, but I'm, I feel like that's wrong. I don't know. Because thriving is what's killing me. I don't know any. Vibrant smartphone. Vibrant.

What the fuck is that mean? How much time they got left? There's one UI. There's a harmon user. The answer is Game Boy Color OS. What is Color OS? It's the Oppo operating system. Appo skin.

Oh, yeah. I was just watching a video about Color Us this morning. I'm so mad I didn't get that. That's so good. Wow. Combo breaker. That's huge. That's pretty big.

Game Boy Color was the third version. Yeah. It was so. Game Boy, Game Boy, Pocket. No, Pocket was not the second one. No, no, it was. No, no, you're right. Game Boy, Game Boy, Pocket.

If you wanted to try and be a little specific, there was a Japan-only Game Boy Light that came out the same year as the Game Boy Color. I was not trying to be that specific. But, yes, the Game Boy Color is the third iteration of the Game Boy. Okay, fine. Wow, yeah, baby. Let's go.

Okay. My f***. I can't even buy an Apple. I thought both of those were, it was pretty easy to get color. Yeah, I've never heard of Colorless. We talk about Color West pretty often on the podcast. It at times has been part of Real Me and,

one plus is one plus yeah oxygen like touch whiz oxygen when you said vibrant I was thinking like one of the super popular ones I thought vibrant was a pretty good way to just mention it's another way of saying color pretty much um okay I thought whatever all right

Markavit okay don't worry Alice this one feels up your alley and it's for them so we'll see okay the official name for the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider humane AI pin prepaid is is uh is us wireless and wait wait say the second say the whole thing again the official name for the worst product marquez has ever reviewed and an american wireless prepaid service provider um an american was the worst product

the humane a i pin or was that the fisker fiscer was the worst car the humane a i pin was the worst product dot, dot, dot, for now. Okay. But I feel like it's still the worst probably. So prepaid is, there's a singular that's Boost Mobile. Mm-hmm. There's, um, do any of them start with mint? Oh, hold on.

I will, okay, I'm going to redo this and give you 30 seconds since you got to try. Because I realized I messed up a part of the question. But the answer is still fine. I'll give you 45 because you've gotten to talk about half of it. Okay, ready? Okay. The official name for the dumbest. product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

What is the Dyson headphones? The Dyson headphones. Oh, wait, what was the name of the Dyson headphones? The, I'll give you the full 60 seconds since it was that different. And both of you seem to change. What was the name of the Dyson headphones? I'm trying to think now. Okay, so this is the Dyson. Think of the wireless providers, I guess. There's singular. Oh, something boost. It was definitely something boost. Dyson. Dina boost or something. Dyson. Dina boost or something. Why is Dina attack in my head? that's not it yeah Dyson headphones had a name and Dyson headphones were called was it boost something V tech their vacuums V boost oh I don't know that wait okay

prepaid services are 20 seconds left boost mobile and what else mint mint U S singular and US mobile it's not U S not so it's probably boost okay so Dyson 10 seconds boost air boost Dyson something boost Need an answer? We're just going to say Dyson Boost Mobile. Yeah. All right. Starting your timer.

Do that. Air boost. Super Vook. Dyson. Super Vook. It's funny because I don't know if that's a hint or not. Don't say anything. I'm so proud of this one coming together.

This is good. Because it was not easy to put together. But at the same time. Dyson headphones. What were they called? This isn't the one with the face mask. This is the second one you said. I'm not answering that question.

But it is the one with the face. It's funny. Oh, it is the one with the face. If you got the linked word, you would almost automatically know the other one. It's not Metro Boost, visible, mint. 30 seconds? There's another cheap one.

I don't know. It's definitely not boost because we would have got. I'm really hoping there's a big sigh after here. 15 seconds. What is this one? Mint. Mint, visible, boost. The Dyson Invisible?

Dyson in, I don't know. Five seconds. I'm stumped. You got me. I'm going Dyson invisible. Damn it. It is the Dyson on track phone wireless. A track phone.

On track. On track is the name of the Dyson product. O-N-T-R-A-C and track phone is T-R-A-C. That's a good one. I've never heard of that wireless service, though. On-Tracke is the wireless provider? No, track phone is the wireless provider. Wow.

On track is the head around. I forgot that it was called the on track. It was called the OnTrack? Mm-hmm. That's weird. Why is it called the OnTrack? We are getting a... I think we should look at Andrew's Fanduel account just to make sure we're dropping off this.

All right, this is for Adam and Ellis. Okay. And this is that this is a Marquez and David Dushcheon, I feel like. It's fun. We're not going to get right. That's not they're going to get right. A 2013 self-healing smartphone. and a 2018 smartphone

that sounds like it needs healing. Okay, the LGG Flex was the first one in 2013. Just talking about the Flex Pie. The LGG Royal Flex Pie? The LG Flex Pie? I'm going to ask for the final answer, but remember how this has to work.

How does it have to work? How the phrase has to work. So it has to be like... A linked word. A linked word. You said it's the... The LG... G flex was that what it was called G flex pie

and then the royal flex pie Real flex pie I think it was the LG flex straight up from 2013 I don't think it was G flex Or was it G flex Ah damn I can't remember I'm gonna let you

I can see the video with Marquez With a razor Just say something I wasn't alive in 2013 Yeah Adam you should give an answer In 10 seconds The LG LG Royal Flex pie

Yeah the LG Royal No not that you say something I don't understand the rules but you just The LG Flex pie So close

Adam's Adam said it like three times It stems and Ellis You did say it It's the LGG flex pie Damn it Yeah Yeah You just didn't have to say

Royal is what I was trying to show Like And you had to say G Yeah you had to say G Which didn't do Because it was the G flex It was the G flex Which

which Adam and then you said the G-Flex Royale. What about Super Mario Samsung Galaxy F.E. 20? You said Ultra. You said Ultra. I know, but Samsung is in between Super Mario and Galaxy. I didn't say it's just the Galaxy S-20FE. So you just... Roll back the tape.

It didn't work for you the last time we rolled back the tape. You give us the points? Yep. That's a steel point? Yeah. That's a steel point. Okay. That's it.

We lost. There's two more questions, and I'm doing the tiebreaker either way. Let's do it. Okay. Damn it. Mark Avid. Thank you. Yes.

The 2016 version of a bezelist smartphone and a Twitch competitor that didn't last very long. Oh, I got this. What was the Twitch competitor? Wait, no, I can do the phone. Okay, I'll do the Twitch competitor. The phone, 2016 upstairs. Oh, the first one? No, no, it's one with the fat chin.

It's the Microsoft. Okay, it's either the... Microsoft. The Sharp Aquas. What was the second thing? It was the... A Twitch competitor that didn't last very long. It was the Microsoft.

Which was the Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Mixer. Show me me mixer. Show me Mi Mixer. Show me mixer. Yes. Yes. I didn't know either of those things.

What the fuck? I know phones. That's the one thing I know. That was crazy. Okay. I think you guys have this one, but this one's insane. Perfect. I'm pretty proud of this one.

Let's hear it. And I hope I. I hope I did it right. Okay. Yeah, these are good. These are good, Andrew. Ready? Yeah.

The last version of a poorly named wireless headphone before the design change and a location-based social network that helps discover new places. Before the design change? Mm-hmm. It's, oh, you're going to make me say the whole headphone name. It's a poorly named wireless headphone. It's four square, and it's the Samsung thing with a million letters that no one can ever remember. It's not the Sony one?

Yeah, no, it's a, sorry, Sony work. Sony, W.H. 1000 x m3s no it's the 4 and then 4 square is the connecting word i don't need w f 1,000 xm 4 square is that your final answer sony w f 1,000 xm w h i do i don't know what i don't know i don't know there are better this is crazy you've got you got 25 seconds okay wait wait wait let me let me give adam the floor it's 4 square it's 4 square and w h whatever whatever Sony W.H. 1000X. M4 Square. No way.

God. Way to get there, guys. Five years of reviewing headphones for this moment. That was almost really painful. So, well done. That was the tiebreaker? No, I have a tiebreaker, even though Mark Havid won this round. We did.

If they get it wrong and we steal, technically we're then tied. Yeah. And then I don't have a tiebreaker for the tie. Just ask chat TVT for one. Okay. Funny story. I did ask chat GPT to start this and it was horrible it gave me all these things and I went that's not how this game works can you make them better and it had like a total meltdown

it said you're right I should be doing it more like this and then it did it and then without even me prompting it said wait that's not right either and then did another section then said this still isn't right I need to be more and did like six sections of it correcting itself and still none of them were any good infinite loop something It basically, it would just kept doing two totally different things, and then the answer was two things next to each other. That's hilarious. It was pretty bad.

But it was how I tried. Sick. So do you want to do the tiebreaker? Yeah. This is how we're going to do the tiebreaker for just fake points. Okay. I'm going to say it out loud. The first team to say it wins.

No. I have a proposition for another way to do it. Okay. Both teams have a whiteboard and a pen in front of them. No, because I need. The enunciation needs to be correct on this one. Okay, okay, okay, never mind. Say it out loud.

So the first team to say it out loud gets the point. Correctly. I need it to be perfect. Okay. So I apologize in advance to everyone listening to us all talk over each other for about 60 seconds. Okay, here's what I'll do. You guys talk to each other, but whoever says final answer first, then they'll say it after that, and I will pick that person.

All right, ready. Let's do it. This is. We only get one final answer. Extremely specific. so please listen carefully. More specific than WXM. W.H.

Yes and no. W.H is wireless headphones. All right, ready? The rating that shows a device is completely dust-tight and protected from submersion up to one meters for 30 minutes and the current most popular children's meme.

One meter for 30 minutes? What is IP 6-7? Final answer. Final answer. What is Ingress Protection 6-7? You didn't say final answer. It's a final answer. Damn it! What is IP 6-7?

No, but and a... The correct answer. Final answer, what is Ingris Protection 6-7? The correct answer is IP 6-7? Oh, my God, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Okay.

We're never going to get that, right? Well, the benefit to us is that. I was just looking up IP ratings and then saw something. six, seven dice each other. I was like, I have to do this. I hope that us doing this killed that meme. I think it's been dead for a while. Always has been.

Another dead meme. All right. Wow. Well, that has not been it because we still have to do trivia. We have to go back to regular trivia. That was fun, right? I had a really fun time doing that. Thank you. Thank you. I still think that the comments will be on our side with many of those questions. I think this was

rigged against. But it's fine. It's fine. We'll check the comments. Okay. So mad I got GFlex. Well, speaking of trivia. Pause and reorganize, and we'll be back for the regular trivia at the end of the episode starting. Whoa. Okay.

We're back. Time to do the actual trivia for this episode. Let's get into it. Do. Fan edition. Trivia Fee. All right, guys, LTP is an Apple thing. I did not know it was an Apple thing.

If I had asked that as a trivia question, would you've gotten that right? Nope. I don't know. Damn. Maybe. All right. Because I, well, Samsung's version of LTPO is called what? And it's like a silly thing?

It's a very silly word. It's a word, huh? It's a word. Do you want another hint? It's a word. Well, it's an acronym, but it's a word. Like, it reads out pretty obviously as a word. And, uh...

I can't think of a hint that's not like super obvious you know like I have no idea there's there's one pancake themed hint I can think of all right yeah I don't know I think we're all wrong yeah I wrote yeah wait sorry I'm sorry Marquez what did you write I wrote dynamic refresh rate no yeah I wrote Bix BPO and what is the PO standard for. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't write anything. The correct answer is hop.

It is called a hop screen. And hop stands for hybrid oxide and polychristylene silicon. Polychristylene silicon is one word? No, but they just called it hop because it's easier. I think in, um... I wish all abbreviations worked like that. I know. You just take out all the letters you don't want.

Yeah, they kind of do that in like all of the, like, congressional. also a thing too like you could be like hops like in beer yeah like in beer I don't know if Samsung would do that I mean actually they would yeah I think so Koreans like I don't think I've ever heard that before the Koreans like beer all right all right learn something new so yeah just like we said we already forgot quick update on the score mm Marquez with 10 Andrew with 10 David with six we go back to Mark David please Mark David can we split the difference next question the media center

remote that Marquez made a video on 16 years ago and the company that I am obsessed with go and you need to get every letter perfect Marquez knows this and we don't wait this is not

just them together yep it's the same game this is not what you asked before though nope it is not the media center remote The Media Center of Remotes and the company I'm obsessed with. Like, come on, man. Yeah.

What is it? Huh? Huh? Come on, man. What was the question before? I don't remember Marquez's. I know that. I wrote, does this count enough H.P. Pavilion, Teenage Engineering.

I don't know. No. But I don't know how to count. I don't know how to. I'm not literally Marquette. We're not salty, you're salty. I don't know how to combine these. So I don't know if this is right, but I wrote HP Pavilion DV7 Teenage Engineering.

There it is. No, not right, though, because he wrote T and T and Teenage Engineering. No, no, no, wrong then. Sorry. Yeah, no, we get to point. Look at that. Okay, anyway. Thank God.

To the real question. Oh, that was fake? Yeah. Well, I would have given you the point. Well, I kind of got. Okay, whatever. Okay. What was Teenage Engineering's first product they ever made?

Your mom. Oh. Got him. They were playing cards in the 1800s. It was actually a rice cooker. Yeah. Sony. Here we go.

I knew this at one point. Yeah, because it was a previous question. It was in slack a while ago, probably. Oh, yeah, I definitely put it in slack. Yeah. All right. Flip him and read. What do you got?

Are we about to get un-act lead again? by teenage engineering. That would be really funny. Yeah, we're all probably wrong. I wrote a desk. Nope. I wrote a pencil. No.

That'd be sick. That would be cool. I'm probably, I hope I'm closest. A radio receiver. Wrong, but you are closest because one of the products they debated doing was a clock radio, but instead they actually did a lamp. Oh, yeah, the lamp, the lamp. A lamp?

Yeah. I was not closest. I love lamp, dude. All right. Right, hopefully now we for sure won't forget that Teenade Engineering started with a lamp. Next week's question. We're all wrong. We should just keep having this week question until we all get it right.

Anyway, well, like we said, we might not have gotten a right, but we did learn something, so that's for sure useful, right? Thanks for watching this episode, thanks for listening, and for playing along, of course, in our trivia segment. We have a lot of fun with those. See you soon in the next episode. in November. Peace. It's November now. Yeah, it's November now.

I know. As we're, okay. Okay. Wait, from us reviews by Adam Alina and Ellis-Roberer, a partner with the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our entire music is created by Vain Still. Bingo! Let's go!

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