Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Waveform Awards: Looking Back and Peeking Ahead!

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David look back on some of their favorite moments on Waveform. What is a hot take they wish they could take back? What are some tech predictions they have for 2024? They answer all of those questions and a bunch more! Happy New Year everyone! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Accessories sold separately. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. I didn't, I just realized I didn't plan an intro for this episode. Why? It's Friday. It's just a normal episode. It's just a normal episode.

Well, yeah, but like the last one of the year, like the big finale one, I felt like we should have like a thing to get into it. Maybe we should look at our outline uh okay does that have anything intro related in here i feel like it doesn't um oh what do i hear in the distance that noise a falcon is crying in space why anyway this is the waveform awards episode yay basically in this episode we're gonna go over the past i don't know mainly 2023 but possibly also the lifetime of this podcast oh wow we did episode 200 recently yeah episode 200 passed recently we're gonna go over some of our favorite

moments some of our like less chaotic moments our favorite guests things of that nature uh so if you don't care about that now's your time to leave hey if well leave us running and then just don't listen yeah yeah just leave it running and walk away help the engagement yeah yeah so you guys could take it from or i could leave it running and walk away if you're listening because then you could do both of those true and your dishes there is that guy who always has to do his dishes while this so shouts out to you we launched the the special episode back in mid-december that bonus episode with climate town and there was a guy that tweeted at us that said i only run when i listen to the waveform podcast so i love when you guys do the bonus episodes because it forces me to

be more active nice oh wow that's hilarious yeah gotta get your steps in i love that that's awesome but yeah so this is the waveform we're just calling it the waveform awards show kind of an end of year recap in a fun way i think adam and ellis have made a bunch of different questions and things about this year things about the podcast and we're all gonna say our favorites or whatever they have it's a bunch of fun questions and uh you know let's recap let's uh hit the nostalgia the highlight a little bit yeah highlight reel highlight me up scotty so first question what is one hot take that you wish you could take back that just dives right in are you are you setting me up or marquez what is one hot take that you wish you could take back I'd like to take this moment to apologize

this is like the fourth time you've done this no I'm kidding obviously I would take back Nissan never made a track car I recently watched a reel somebody made it's like a highlight reel of me saying to you do you know how many times I've been tagged in that

and I just don't feel like bringing it up. It's me going, like, Nissan, I don't think they did a track car. And you going, like, I think some people disagree. And then a highlight reel of 45 seconds of Nissan track cars. I felt too bad showing it to you, but I get sent that

every week. It's good. It's pretty great. That's amazing. So I'm going to put that one at the top that's for me it was the top post on our cars i'll never live it down no matter how much i learn about cars for the rest of my life i'm sorry that will just haunt me for the rest of time so good on you for apologizing or like taking it back it's yeah i'm not gonna say anything i don't want to be tagged in another video. I would love to see that highlight reel. I'll show it to you later. I feel like I can hear the music that's behind it all. Yeah, exactly.

The token. It's great. I can't believe this is how hot we started the episode. So, yeah. How many views does that have? This is on YouTube. It's got 2,500 views. I'm sure it's got some.

The one on Instagram. It's probably Twitter, Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've accepted that. I'll probably never get any views on. uh this is on youtube it's got 2500 views i'm sure it's good the one on instagram instagram yeah yeah i've never probably i'll probably never get any cars listen if if that's the clip that people are taking from you out of 10 plus years online yeah i'm like your worst take i'm canceled for sure i think that's a glowing achievement maybe not to the nissan community but yeah i let them down for sure you have to buy a gtr now it's only fair it's only fair it's only fair yeah that's mine anything any other hot takes you guys like this i mean we're supposed to all answer all of these all five of us so if you can think of any well mine is also car related okay uh yeah i'm pretty you know I got I got a comment that shook me to my soul core

soul core core cycle yeah on the there was a you know on the clip we posted of the cyber truck or the episode right after we got the cyber truck someone commented we've lost Ellis

frowny face because you liked it a little yeah because I liked it a little. Oh, God. Wow. Do you regret it? A little bit, yeah. You know, because looking back, it really did turn me, the truck,

into an 11-year-old, which is, you know, when I'm on camera, I try to act like an adult. Just be yourself. You gotta stand by it. You know? Like the stand by me go i was waiting for that it's about it's about principle and i do really believe that the cyber truck

as cool as it is also sucks so wait that could happen that's a huge difference from what you from before that's what i'm saying i was like really excited about this thing oh yeah but what sucks though it's It's going to kill someone. They all will. No, no, no, no, no, no. This one, the Cybertruck is going to kill someone worse than Harden. You mean like in some unique Cybertruck way? In a blunt way.

In a way that other people wouldn't have died, you mean? You know, it's like if you put spikes on your car and then we're like, cars are already dangerous. You know, it'd be like, yeah, but. Honestly, that's a good argument. There's spikes on your car and then we're like cars are already dangerous you know it'd be like yeah but honestly that's a good argument there's spikes on your car you know touche yeah so that's i think this might be the hotter there's no shade to anyone who is into the cyber truck because again it's really cool but uh to to all my my bike riders and my uh my street narrowers and my park builders out there. I'll see you on the streets. You haven't lost me.

Catch me outside. I'm still with you. What was so funny is after they commented that, I tried to be like all cheeky and be like, I'll never live this down, lol. And then they just replied, you chose your side. They're like, we know. We know the true you. I love it.

Andrew, I think you should go now. So my problem with having hot takes is I read too many comments and get way too worried about what somebody's going to say that my takes are insanely mild. So like, I just don't have a lot of hot takes because I argue with myself in my head too much. But I did throw something in here that I just got completely wrong once and got a bunch of comments about. And I think it's reasonably confusing that I got got completely wrong once and got a bunch of comments about. And I think it's reasonably confusing

that I got it wrong, but it was my take on that we probably won't ever see the Fisker Ocean because Fisker just felt like this strange car company that I thought had died already. And I'm partially right. Fisker Automotive died in 2014. Then they made the Karma Rivero out of the fisker karma but then fisker

incorporated restarted and they're actually pretty popular i believe in amsterdam but also other countries and not only that they're out there brandon sent a picture of one on the road the other day yeah fiscal ocean they're shipping them so i'm just completely wrong about that i do think the ocean looks cool. I think it is reasonably confusing, but I should have been right about it on the podcast when we talked about it. And I always thought the ocean was cool. I just didn't think I was going to see it.

I also just want to say, in 2017, I interviewed John Fisker at CES for Android Authority, which makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. Did the car have... No. So, because because of that he must have been really really hoping for any media attention whatsoever which makes me think that i was also sure none of these were ever going to ship yeah so at that point it seems i think 2016 is when

fisker incorporated restarted and so they've been around for a while and the cars have been coming out more recently i believe i haven't gotten that much deeper into this but i was wrong about it it wasn't a hot take but it was one that i wish i was more it's understandable correct i mean structurally yeah yeah lordstown all those car manufacturers like no i feel bad that i put it in with all of them and they're already on the the road right they've already made a bunch of stuff that was hot gas though. That's the thing. They have a history of being hot gas. The funny thing is, is if you search Fisker cars on Google, the first Wikipedia page that comes up is Fisker automotive and you click it and right in the sidebar, it says defunct 2014. And then you scroll

down a little farther. The logo is also the same, but anyways, I don't want to make, give excuses. It reminds me of Nokia. Like it's one of those amoebas that like breaks off into a new one because the company bought the rights to the name and then it reappears as a new company but it's got talent from the old company but i'm not gonna say anything more because i'll probably be wrong about it i've already made them that's fair all right that's a good that's a good one so the three of yours are all about cars yeah i know nothing about cars that I've never pretended to. So you cannot get mad at me for knowing nothing about cars. Fair.

You stick to tech. I'm making non-educated guesses about cars. I don't know. I make hot takes that I don't regret them. You just stick with them. There's none that you've gotten bullied about relentlessly? Yes, there have. I mean, you're're gonna get bullied by anything you talk about i didn't i was racking my brain for this for this answer and i don't remember really any take that i was like wow i

was completely off base on that it's funny because i'm sure we all have had pretty random hot takes that you just don't really remember um so if anyone's out there and wants to correct david yeah please there's a tool i found called pod scribe which lets you look through and search in plain text the transcript of every podcast we've ever recorded and if you make an account you can you can search hot take and just get the time stamp and actually start playing the exact moment any of us have ever said the words hot take ever here's a hot take if you have to preface your hot take by saying hot take out loud it's probably not that hot of a take interesting you're just looking for attention oh wow that felt mean at the end i'm sorry you want a real definitive hot take, you just say it with charisma right there.

Spew it out of your face. Which I have none of, but... My hot take that I regret, I said that Clubhouse was going to make a comeback. You did say that. I was very wrong. You did say that. That is a really hot take.

That's brutal. That's just embarrassing. I can't believe you brought that back up. Next question. Even Karma came back and... Clubhouse couldn't pull the same trick. Colin, this one called it this was ellis's idea something you were completely right about i'll start this one because

i was never wrong anything obviously go on the comments on this are gonna be insane um okay i got the humane ai pin price exactly oh yeah you did get the pin correct you do get a lot of price predictions right price starting price not including subscription, but I think that's what we should count Yeah, and then we made a bet on whether or not the iPhone 15 regular model would get the dynamic island or not Be and how long that would take to move over and I said it would and it did so I was Correct on that called it. I was probably wrong about a lot of other stuff i was definitely never never ever yeah hmm do you want to go marquez i think we all know which one you're gonna say i am struggling because you said something we're completely right about oh we

don't technically know this one in this exact moment in time as we record this i don't know if i'm completely holy wait this is a good point sorry say what you want to say and then we'll so so we had this bet months ago cybertrucker delivered by the end of the year on episode 176 and i said it would you guys said it wouldn't i was right we said 25 yeah then we said well we need to define delivered by the end of the year because what if it's just a small event and 10 tesla employees get it and then they say they delivered them and then that's exactly what happened oh so in november there was a test was it november 30th at the end of november there was a small event where tesla hand delivered the first it's probably 10 to 15 cyber trucks at least one of them went to a non-tesla employee that i know alexis ohanian

so that's one but we defined it as 25 and i don't know that i can say for sure that there's 25 by the end of the year so in the in the broad sense of things where you guys thought no way cyber truck wait i was 23 i believed i was on your. But then in the other side, they were just like, no shot. I thought it was going to be like 30. I think it was barely going to hit that. In that zoomed out perspective, I called it. It's out. Cybertruck's on the road. But you know. You still might hit

25. It's also stuck in a pile of snow on the side of a road. I have so many thoughts about that. Oddly enough, this was my called it too. Yeah. That Cybertruck will not deliver 25. Yeah. Right now it is, as recording this, the, oh, wow, this episode's going out though right at the end of the year. So we will kind of know if it actually happens.

We'll know. We're recording a little earlier. So there's a little bit of time, but not as much as I would have thought. Would we consider there's only one delivery out right now? Well, there's a bunch of unknown deliveries out because we don't know the people who took the deliveries on stage and one of them all the one videos we're seeing in the wild have that what does it say rc on the side rc is the release candidate trucks that they were testing so the ones that are out now are foundation series and have their own badging but so what i'm saying is generally we can tell there's a somewhat of an amount out when we see people like i saw the cyber truck but every in the wild video

we've seen has the rc on the site yeah so you have to see like there's pictures of alexis's truck on the internet now it has a little like two-headed monster thing like the the cyber beast whatever i don't know why it's a new logo but that foundation series is the first thousand cyber trucks okay so that's that. You'll have to see that and try to infer from how many people have been getting emails saying prepare for delivery. So it could happen before the end of the year. It could. We're getting close, though.

We're getting real close. We may find out the day this gets uploaded. I think I agreed with you thinking the event is like end of October, start of November. So we're a little tight now. Right. the event is like end of October, start of November. So we're a little tight now. My thing I wrote down,

I don't know if I'm completely right about it because we haven't seen it out, but there was a point before we learned, we know very little about the Ravine R2 now, but we know some stuff about it, right? I said like a hope list I had for it and what it would be if I bought it and I would buy it right away. And I believe most of those things seem like that's where it's headed.

It was basically like smaller size, still has a front trunk, has dual motors, has at least 300 miles of range. Yeah. And under $60,000 and keeps its boxy shape. Because so many people like doing crossover and making it like really aggressive and I don't love that. I feel like the $60,000 price thing, we will not know until it's actually shipping. Yeah, yeah. Because every car has gone way up.

But everything you've mentioned is some sort of a target that someone at Rivian, probably RJ, has said. Has been mentioned since I said it originally. Yeah. So, not for sure, but like I'm not very good at predictions or usually i'm picking the silly predictions so that's the only thing i could really think of that maybe could go correct yeah and i still hope that happens but now i think they're saying 2028 when it comes out okay so we got some time oh 2028 no 26 26 it's only 23 26 i think it's 26 which still feels far away yeah i see ellis typing away here so he's 20 26 is the room 26 okay it's still further away than i would have hoped but

i don't think i can really contribute anything here i got a lot wrong this year oh okay well what'd you get wrong uh i thought last season i thought luka donchich was gonna have an 80 point game not even close wait did you see the video of the guy courtside going like luka give me a clip for tiktok oh and and then they're like i think his defender is like talking back to the guy and then like luka gets it and like shoves him off and like throws a fade away that was his 80th point i was pretty excited but uh yeah also uh definitely spoke a lot on this very podcast about the humane pin uh never coming out uh i guess it still technically hasn't still hasn't out i think this ship has sailed on that one they never actually gave like a release date they just took pre-orders yeah but it does seem it seems like

it's gonna come out seems real yeah it's it hasn't gotten any further in the process than the tesla roadster did think about it true that's fair that's totally fair pre-orders and has more press people seen the cyber truck no pin oh the roadster you mean no the cyber truck because only like four or five... Way more people have seen the Cybertruck than the pin, because it's out testing in the wild. But I mean like press people have covered it. Like, I don't want to call us reporters. Yeah, that's a small handful for the Cybertruck. Okay, maybe I'll take it back.

You know, maybe Luca dropping 80 was my big truth L this year. Hey, the season's not over. Yeah. This season. No, it was for last season oh last season even though he seems more primed to do it anyway well so this feels dumb but 80 points in a single game yeah okay that includes assists that would be the second highest no it'd be the third highest scoring game of all time well to make you feel better he's probably had at least one game of being responsible for 80 points. I do appreciate that. He's probably had like a 40-12 night

or something weird. I'd like to formally apologize to our audience for making this briefly a basketball podcast. Yeah, we're back, sorry. Anyway, next, next, did we get everyone for things we got right? I think that's everything, yeah. What did Adam get? No, he thinks the cyberjack thing

is right. Yeah, that was we both two people next thing it's been a crazy year uh we talk a lot on this podcast about our 2023 bingo cards and while at the beginning of the year we never actually make such cards we want to know what was the one thing that was leased on your hypothetical bingo card for this year Dua Lipa interviewing Tim Cook wait yeah I also did you guys same I think it was after the post came out but I was like I can't believe Dua Lipa asked Tim Cook about like cobalt mining and you were like wait what she did genuinely amazing because tell, like, Tim Cook went into this being like, nice, a good softball interview with a pop star.

What could go wrong? And it started that way, too. It was like, what's a day in the life of Tim Cook like? And he was like, well, I wake up at 5 a.m., I work out, I read customer emails, and I'm very inspired. And she's like, that's so cool. What about the mimes? I just went right into it.

It was so good. I loved watching that video. It was queen status. Shout out to Dua Lipa. Come on our podcast so we can talk about the prep for that interview because I need the tips. That was amazing.

Yeah, that was a fake answer for me, by the way. I actually generally was not expecting that. So there's that. But I think the biggest thing is I was never in a bazillion years thinking Apple was going to adopt RCS before they were forced to. Yeah, that's a really good point. that so there's that great but i think the biggest thing is i was never in a bazillion years thinking apple was gonna adopt rcs before they were forced to yeah that's a really good point that was the number one thing for me i never thought it also it really felt like it came out of nowhere like

it did you know the reason why no so so the the eu designated a number of gatekeepers for specific types of applications so like social media messaging all of this stuff and originally apple was not designated as a gatekeeper initially for messaging because in the eu iMessage is not that okay not that big but they did say it is a potential gatekeeper and they they launched an investigation to determine whether it was a gatekeeper and the day that they announced that they were going to add rcs was the final day that they had to say to like make up reasons why they weren't a gatekeeper so they pushed that out at the very end there man yeah so they're eu2 apple zero i think that apple just likes to get ahead of the things that they're going to be forced to do like they did the same thing with USB-C.

That's what I was going to say. Up until they actually showed it on stage, I was so 50-50 on whether it would actually happen. That's actually a good answer for this as well. I didn't actually, because we've been talking about it, probably episode one of the podcast, we talked about USB-C on the iPhone at some point.

They were literally going to be forced to eventually. It was unclear whether or not they would be forced to use RCS. Well, I always thought They were literally going to be forced to eventually though. So it was unclear whether or not they would be forced to use RCS. Well, I always thought they were just going to eliminate ports completely. I honestly didn't know that. I really said that. I didn't rule it out. It was hard to rule it out. And ironically,

they deemed that iMessage is not a gatekeeper. So I'm not sure whether that's because they decided to add RCS. I believe so. That would be a huge reason. Yeah, for sure. But's because they decided to add rcs i believe so that would be a huge reason yeah for sure but it's also like part of the reason that the eu said they're not is because they're not popular enough that's one of the reasons they said it's so funny that like yeah hearing that apple's not popular enough depending on where you live is like totally unbelievable or extremely believable yeah like for us yeah that's

wild right it's it's like when microsoft was trying to buy blizzard and the eu is like i don't know about this like aren't you guys both huge gaming companies and microsoft was like our games suck we're not nearly as popular another thing that definitely was not on my bingo card was Final Cut Pro coming to the iPad. I don't, I just never thought. It was kind of on my bingo card that it would be bad. Fair. But I just thought they would never even entertain the idea. Like one of those things like, what do you mean we're going to do this on a weather app on the iPad?

All right. Maybe in some future. They did it and then I was like, okay, maybe Final Cut Pro is next. And then they did that too. What about the timer on the iPadad all right maybe in some future and they did it and then i was like okay maybe final cut pro is next and they did that too what about the timer on the ipad do they ever do that never happening what's the other thing they don't have no they have the i thought it was the timer on like siri no they had to get out of multiple timers it was the so on the calculator yeah no the calculator never doing the ipad that still didn't happen calculator app and we're never getting an instagram ipad it's just never happening i feel like the calculator never doing the ipad that still didn't happen calculator app and we're never

getting an instagram ipad it's just never happening i feel like the calculator thing is just like such a running joke now they're not gonna do it just because they want to maintain the joke they're gonna have a slow press month one day and be like ship it didn't they make a reference to it in dub dub this year i think they right there was like a reference to not having a calculator he said we truly know it was for two timers. When they added being able to do multiple timers, Craig Federici said, we truly live in an age of wonder. I did say that.

Yeah. Wow. Good memory, David. I'm going to steal one of David's here because I feel very strongly about it as well. I did not have Reddit killing killing all third-party apps and turning into an absolute disgrace of a website relay pro still works yeah but you have to pay for it now i do pay for it okay um oh yeah i just didn't expect one of my favorite websites on the internet to just be killed yeah i barely use reddit anymore i rarely use it it's like at this

point since i don't have my login anymore i rarely use it it's like at this point since i don't have my login anymore i have to go into the app and search for something specific like if i want to look up something about the devils like the hockey team i'll just go to the devil's subreddit that's the only time i use it there's like i do not endlessly scroll it anymore yeah which used to take up a lot of my time yeah yeah nice and it does not anymore i saw these okay i don't know if you guys have been getting this but on youtube they will now serve you like whenever you one out of every like 10 videos they'll serve you a video that has like less than 100 views for seven to mariah a lot

this happens to me every time really have to just fall for it once this did happen do you know what video i got i got ellis unboxing some japanese like uh did you get that two days ago no i got it today yeah because i made it public yesterday whoa huh huh but uh that's fast i also started so i started getting those like videos with like 150 views yeah and i also started getting like 19 second videos just because if i if i click on one then it's like oh you like vines oh we've got re-uploaded vines we got a lot more where that came from but the like less than 100 views ones when we were talking about you don't use reddit anymore really as much and so like i'm like so what does he reconstitute that time as i saw this this youtube video that was like i quit all social

media for three months and here's how it went and then the next video was called i'm addicted to youtube got a huge backlog and the third video was called i finally quit all social media and youtube i was like damn uh youtube will really they'll really track you down well just it just shows that like you can like get off of one thing but your brain wants to be busy and it will find a way to keep itself busy yeah my bingo card surprise space uh was spike the ai mini cooper dog yeah i totally forgot about that dude is still stuck in my mini cooper dog that thing is stuck in my was that this year? That's out? No, they never brought it up ever again, really. It's going to be in the electric Mini Cooper. There is an electric

Mini Cooper already. Yeah. He every now and then will, I mean, maybe he's an AI assistant too, right? Yeah. Every now and then you see him in like the little corner of a marketing material, but I haven't, there's no news stories. I think it was right after ChatGPT like came out and everyone decided to make their own AI assistant. Yeah. Because it was right after chat gpt like came out and everyone decided to

make their own ai assistant yeah because it was an ai assistant dog right it was sort of it was like in your car yeah and it twerked and it twerked it looked like a little jelly bean going off of something similar to that something i was never expecting was a bunch of celebrities to offer their likeness to be the like ai chat bot and then not even use their name for meta meta product that was the weirdest thing that i honestly thought we were getting punked when that was happening mr peace the funny guy or the chris paul the golfer yeah some weird like like not even matching what they actually are expert at that yeah it was weird kendall whoever that was that was like your BFF who tells it

like it is. So strange. I forgot about that. Shout out to Meta AI. They still have that. You can still use it. They paid so much money for a feature that nobody is going to use. Meta, if one of your employees is watching this, let me know how many people use

this product. I want to know. There's at least seven of them. Yeah, at least seven. At least the seven YouTubers who made videos about it. I was going to say, there's more than seven people that work at Meta. Damn. My thing that I did not have on my bingo card was the LG Standby Me. How could you?

There's no way I could have predicted that kind of hardware. LG is the one to do it. Yeah. Also, Ellis is holding it above his head right holding it it's basically the briefcase wing i've got to say briefcase tech is hot this year briefcase moto compacto it's so good that's that's a totally fair point briefcase tech even though it's only two two things but it could it could blow up next year we could get four things next year we can get crazy briefcase tech we could get what else could you put in a briefcase we should get a briefcase uh that's really they used to have briefcase cones before cell phones right it was like an early cell phone now briefcase computer

is seems like the obvious one that was also a thing ibm had briefcase computers bring that back modern like more of a like gaming pc like so i can go to Starbucks and rip some Call of Duty. I could see Asus. There's enough room in there to fit. Briefcase camera? Briefcase camera? I don't think a single camera can't fit in a briefcase. You'd have to do a really large format camera.

Now you're talking David's side. My 4x5 is already kind of in a briefcase because it does unfold like this and expand out. You never know. 2024 could be the year of the briefcase. Keep an eye on that. Year of the dog, year of the hen,

year of the briefcase. But you're Zodiac. I'm a briefcase. Well, we got a lot more to look back at. Real quick, we're going to take a quick break. We're going to come back and keep going. Hamburglar, why are you calling? Rubble, rubble.

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but that we wish we got to talk about. This is a fun one. Did anything come up? Because we have a whole Slack channel and we drop news in there when we think it's worth talking about. And we have conversations at the studio. Did anything slip by

and not get talked about that should have i'm going to preface this by saying i'm usually the one who writes the outline and then gives it to david to fill in so it's we can talk about whatever we want whenever we want because we write the outline for it so it doesn't happen as often um there's probably some times i would have liked to talk about final mouse screwing stuff up because I'd love to and I don't like them at all. But that probably just makes me sound salty. So I just saved it for right now. Now I can sound salty.

And I talked a lot about the OnePlus keyboard and I wanted to talk about it when we tried it, but we never got one or ordered one. So I did really want to try that because we did talk about it a lot, but I never got to try it. So yeah, if OnePlus, if you're out there, I'd love to try it. It looks pretty cool. Yeah. We tend to go over most of the big news stories, especially since we write the episodes.

But what I did notice is I listen to Hard Fork a lot, which is a great podcast by the New York Times with Casey Newton and Kevin Rees. And they both live in San Francisco. So a lot of the news stories that they cover are like smaller SF tech stories that are hilarious a lot of those yeah so over there you have all these like driverless car issues because there's Waymo and Cruz that are in SF and people are like putting cones on top of driverless cars and cars are dragging people across the road and yeah we talk about some of that stuff when it makes like national news but when it's like a smaller like more localized town news kind of thing um especially out of san francisco where

it's all technology news it's pretty fun so i wish new york had more drama hidden tech stories we wish driverless cars were causing more chaos in new york yeah yeah exactly marquez stuff that Exactly. Marquez? Stuff that I wish to talk... I think we usually do talk about big news, but we did kind of miss one, which is that the New York Empire had their second straight undefeated season and won their second championship in a row. I feel like we just... Just glossed right over it.

We didn't even talk about it. Why do I feel like we had a guest or something after after that i feel like we did talk about it very quickly i don't know or maybe just we did the episode that week and you were gone we said you were doing that's probably what it was it might have been that yeah i was there so that might have been why yeah i wasn't here so that's why you want to talk about it so bad. I was there. Oh, shoot. Wait, so you got to see them win? How many wins in a row is that now? 29, I think. How many are in a season?

Regular season is like 14. Well, playoffs also. Yeah. And you didn't win any the previous season? You didn't win the championship the previous season? We lost in the finals the previous season. And you've had 29 straight wins correct and even before that why are you still playing how did how did you um do the season before that besides losing like we won the championship and how many games did you win lose in that season we also went undefeated that season so you're like

47 and one in the last three seasons. Something around there. Somewhere around there. I think we might've lost. No, I think the year that we won the championship, we didn't go undefeated. Sorry.

I was wrong about that one. The 2021 or the 2019, we didn't go undefeated that year, but we did win the championship, but then we lost some of the year after that. And then have had two straight undefeated seasons since then. Cause there's a COVID year. Wild man mean they the empire the team you really like yeah they did so i just feel like i you know shout out to the empire they did it they did a great job i hope they win some more games this year yeah they and then we can talk about them anything else yeah at the beginning of the year someone published a paper and i can't remember

the exact details and i had trouble finding the paper wasn't telegram or signal no so signal did this in response to the paper like a few months later and it was just sort of like a broad cyber security thing but uh it seems like we're getting closer and closer to what's called q day which is where quantum... Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Here we go again. No, we're getting closer and closer to the day when quantum computers have enough processing power to make passwords irrelevant, effectively.

Encryption irrelevant. Oh, we talked about this. Yes, key... Modern encryption. Public key encryption, yeah. Yeah, we talked about this. Yes. Modern encryption. Public key encryption. Yeah. But we're not there yet and I wish I could find the paper and it was the kind of thing where when the paper came out

I was not big brained enough to feel like we could communicate it and then other news happened and it kind of just passed away. And the years had lots of developments. Anyway, maybe it's a long form episode for the future can i ask a question about this that maybe you don't know or maybe it's dumb on my side but if whereas this is because computing is becoming so powerful that would essentially be able to brute force a password so quickly that it doesn't even in a reasonable amount right yeah so here's my understanding of it right is that at the root of what makes passwords secure in the way we use them now is you're using

prime numbers that have millions of digits so you need other numbers uh that are really hard to find that have hundreds of thousands of digits and you multiply them together. So in order to just crack that, yeah, you need to do it like tons of times. But with quantum computing, you can now have if and or statements much easier in your code. So it takes a lot less energy because you're working with possibilities. Well, which brings me to my question where aren't the majority of passwords have lockout precautions is it being brute forced so like see this is why i need to so i feel like is that not the main reason and i don't understand encryption also so i don't understand how yeah that would potentially get there but like i can't i have to change my password so many times

that i get locked out of my own accounts all the time the version the version of this story that i remember because i went to the ibm lab with cleo and we shot that quantum computer video is that encryption not necessarily passwords but encryption is it works a certain way and quantum computers are getting more and more powerful and increasing the number of qubits in each quantum computer at a rate that if we eventually get to this number of qubits, it will be able to crack normal prime number encryption methods reasonably quickly.

By the time we get to that powerful level, we will have switched encryption methods. Because a lot of modern encryption relies on factoring prime numbers. Right. That was the paper is, is some, some researchers in China figured out the new fastest way to do prime

factorization. Okay. So this is encryption, not someone trying to hack my Instagram account. Yeah. Yeah. And qubits aren't binary. They can be one zeros or a superposition of both.

And so they're able to factor prime numbers way, way faster. So instead of something taking like a hundred million years to crack, it could take like a couple of days. So, wow. Yeah. And signal developed a quantum proof protocol that has end to end

encryption. That is quantum proof as well. That's why me and all of my Q friends use Signal. I had to look this up. Quantum friends. Right, right. I had to look this up just to make sure I got the numbers right because I would have been mad if I got them wrong.

The number of qubits just going up over time, like 10 qubits is a pretty big quantum computer, and then 50, and then 100. In 2021, IBM's Eagle got up to 127 qubits and then the newest IBM Osprey 400 qubits. IBM also planning to build a 100,000 qubit quantum computer by 2033. So you can see the curve just going- By 2023, that's this year. Sorry, 2033.

Oh. So it's improving very quickly. Yeah, yeah. Which is super cool. Yeah. I understand none of it. My answer to that, piggybacking off of Ellis, was very similar. I wanted to talk about privacy because, again, with signal and encryption and stuff like that,

we have AES-256, SHA-256 encryption standards that are being potentially broken by quantum computing. So that would be interesting to talk about which maybe we'll talk about yeah we'll see where we go i do think privacy is like an interesting topic in a lot of different ways because like people are always very worried about what google's like what you're getting shot out to marketing things but that's very different from a lot of other different privacy things. And privacy in general just seems to be this giant scary thing on the internet. It also feels like a landscape where there's a huge difference between the people who care about it and the people who don't care about it. Yeah, I think most people don't care about it.

And it's almost like an ethical dilemma at this point. Did you see the eight sleep guys tweets during the sam altman thing do what the ceo or something yeah no no dude this this mf actually i feel like we should be ready to cut this part out he was like he was like wow san francisco you guys had you guys must be stressed or something, like tongue in cheek. He's like, our data reported that San Francisco area eight sleep users slept 33% more poorly or whatever. He was like, you guys must be stressed.

It's like, you're watching how much- Yeah, wait, what the fuck? That is so weird. Also the sample size of that is like five people. NSF, they can afford that, yeah. And they're all like, how do i maximize my sleep potential yeah just they're asleep and they're soylent next to their bed yeah next up is a trivia question that you're still mad about all these months later yeah gosh i have

one i know david i am excited okay i have one that i'm mad that i got correct okay so curveball there was an episode where i believe the question was somewhere along the lines of um what do spark notes and okay cupid have in common and as i was writing it down i thought of something really funny to say but was worried it might be inappropriate which now i don't think it's that inappropriate so i wrote same ceo i think and that was correct and then after it founder after we cut the video i was like oh same founder yeah i said uh i thought of something really funny and ellis like instantly clicked and we were both like they're both websites used for cheating and i thought that was very funny and i would have rather have gotten the question wrong did they really okay good i saw in the comments i would have rather gotten it wrong

and not had to say it 15 episodes later but i thought that was funny and i've thought about that a lot i think you would have gotten the point that's what i think matters i think you would have gotten the point do people not know what spark notes are now they're just asking kids these days spark notes used to be a website that basically gave you a super briefed version of a book yeah so if you wanted to like cheat on your uh like homework assignment it was also for like you were supposed you were expected to read like five chapters of pride and prejudice when you also had math homework and geometry homework and physics homework to do. Oh, geometry is math, I guess. Anyway, but like, so I would go on Spark Notes because I would be like,

I literally am in jazz band and marching band. I don't have time to read Pride and Prejudice. So I would just go on and it would be like a recap of chapter seven. Just so that when you went into class the next day, when the teacher randomly called on you and asked you something that happened, you could be like, it this you would know the plot and you'd know some small

details and you could kind of go on with the flow they all knew this is in no way an endorsement of cheating my every teacher knows i remember she quizzed us on every single reading section she'd be like read these eight chapters and then she'd quiz us on minutiae inside it so that it wouldn't be on SparkNotes. Oh. It was horrible. I had a English teacher that I really appreciated because the way he did quizzes on chapters that we read were you start taking it and then at the end he'll be like, okay, you can open your book for one minute. Because if you read it, you would kind of know the area that I was in. you can open your book for one minute.

Because if you read it, you would kind of know the area that I was in. So you still had to have read it, but you could find what it was if it was a little more specific. Then you'd be like, giving you one more minute. And I still didn't read it and still tried to figure it out just from that. But I really appreciate it.

You can't control F on a physical page, unfortunately. Man, I've actually tried. Now, here's the thing. Give those kids the meta glasses and be like hey meta look and tell me which character sat under the peach tree and it actually tells the answer in their ears it's just saying yeah multimodal ai is going to change cheating on tests forever yep anyway uh the one that i was still mad about um i got wrong it was the gtr being a track car no that wasn't a trivia question the one uh about i'll just read what i wrote

in 2009 youtube introduced an experimental lightweight version of the site what was it called and i wrote youtube go which is the name of a lightweight version of youtube they built but a different time because they also tried it another time in 2009 and it was called youtube feather so youtube has done the same attempted failed thing and killed it more than once and i named the wrong other time that they killed it this is really funny because marquez was just like i know this i know i was so ready to get that point yeah it was amazing so what do you think the version 3.0 will be called youtube light youtube now youtube max youtube min youtube mini youtube mini youtube mini i like that that could be a thing

youtube that's actually a great name yeah copyrighted youtube for kids the light facebook used to be just facebook light yeah yeah and messenger light i don't remember that at all at it no data mode in the time before time when android phones were still very new the facebook app would just constantly run in the background and take like 15 of your battery in a day and so 15 of my battery is Facebook. So they made a light version of the app that used like way less memory in the background. And yeah, you had to download it if your phone was too slow. So were you rocking two Facebook apps?

Yes. Nice. Yes. Yeah. And then I uninstalled Facebook in 2013 and I haven't used it since. Well, you used WhatsApp though. Yeah. Touche. Oh, you know what?

Okay. This is from earlier in the show. I think you might have just triggered David. You know what, Andrew? One of my hot takes that is slowly getting colder is that WhatsApp is terrible. And there are a lot of ways where it's still really terrible. I think WhatsApp is pretty bad.

Yes. That's a cold take now where it's still really terrible i think what's up is pretty bad yes yeah but that's a cold take now it's it's getting colder but it's sort of like how the sun is also getting colder over billions of years i see i see yeah so as it loses energy it's getting hotter it's getting hotter it's gonna get hotter before it gets colder but go on that's how i that's how nova works it's gonna be a super massive it's not gonna turn into a black hole though it's gonna be a red giant and then it's gonna fizzle out into a dwarf a white dwarf it doesn't have enough mass to be a black yeah it needs to be like two and a half times it's not science corner brought to you by anyway go on sorry anyway whatsapp i still really don't like the app and it's very annoying when people always say just use whatsapp when no one i know

uses whatsapp but over the course of this, they have rapidly added a ton of features that a lot of other messaging apps had. Oh, so it's getting hotter. No, the take is getting colder. Your take is getting... My take is getting hotter. You said WhatsApp is bad. Oh, so you're saying it's getting hotter because it's getting more wrong. It's getting better.

Yeah, you're right. It's still bad bad it's just less bad i've always just it is getting rapidly better though and i have to commend those engineers for making it better i've never thought whatsapp was a terrible app i just hate the comment just use whatsapp because it's not just me it is also all of the people that i communicate with yeah getting someone to download a new messaging app and make a new account for something is like not easy. The logistics of it make absolutely no sense if you know what it's like here. Yeah.

Here's an equivalent. For everyone who leaves the comment, just use WhatsApp, I want you to turn that inwards and imagine if somebody told you, just use Facebook Messenger. You'd be like, well, I could, but then I'd have to convince everyone that I know and speak to

to also use Facebook Messenger. Or like Signal. Because Facebook Messenger, if you have WhatsApp, you probably have a Facebook account, which means you have a Facebook Messenger account. So there, yeah. But just think about it. It's not just...

Sign up for something new. You have to get other people to use it. It's not just easier because I change it. Every other person that I have to communicate with has to change it so that logistically makes zero sense when people say that yeah but my take is getting hotter and i'm getting more wrong slowly almost as slow as the heat of the universe stand by me and go anyway i thought all of my trivia questions were absolutely perfect this year uh but i did remember two more things that I was wrong about over the course of this year, too. One, when I was like, oh, Among Us in the Apple iPhone presentation.

Not there. Got that one wrong. Part of me still thinks it's there somewhere. I just couldn't find it. But I looked for a long time. Yeah, the fans, they really came out. They tried to help me the other thing i was wrong about this year was about 90 seconds ago when i said that red giants

are hotter than normal stars they are in fact cooler yes wrong about that too so i was right you were right but you were wrong with the analogy because your take is in fact getting hotter as whatsapp gets better yes in an episode where we say everything we get wrong we're getting a lot of stuff wrong right on top of it i just want to say that as someone that uses telegram signal and whatsapp whatsapp is by far the superior messaging not by far no it is not yes you might have to back that one up it's like it has all the features they everyone's on they just everyone is not on they just added multi-device and it's still kind of jank that was to back up all of your messages

to google drive yes and really yeah no that's only if you had an android if you were on iphone you had to back it up to imessage or not yeah and all the people that have this problem are on android because they otherwise they just use imessage no I know so many people that have iPhones and use WhatsApp. Yeah, you're probably right. But the problem was that for the longest, I don't know if they actually fixed this, but the backups that you put onto the iCloud or onto Google Drive,

if you switch devices, you lost them. Exactly. Which was very annoying. And it only works on, I think they fixed it. You can only have it on one phone at a time. Yeah, but that's never a problem because you're the only person with seven different phones. the two people in this room are the only ones with

this issue to be fair that's the reason i didn't use it i think there's one person who ever has said can i have your whatsapp information and that was adam bobro because he lives like all over the place yeah and wanted to do a ping pong collab with us yeah i've never been asked yeah if you're international like when i was in costa rica the doctor's office use what i totally understand it but that's just not the scene here and then you have to use whatsapp web you have to scan a qr code to get onto that's besides the point i'm saying the app itself is the best app no it looks it looks like it looks like the thing that marquez uses with his frisbee team. GroupMe? GroupMe. GroupMe had a better chance in the U.S.

GroupMe is bad. GroupMe had a better chance. More people were on GroupMe, though. It hit a spike for a while. I don't know if it was anywhere near what's at. In the U.S. You know how you can prove that GroupMe is really bad? I used GroupMe for my house. I lived with 10 people when I was in college for a few years,

and we used GroupMe for the house. I lived with 10 people when I was in college for a few years, and we used GroupMe for the house chat. We moved to Slack. That's what I'm hoping. We originally used GroupMe as the MKBHD chat when there's only four of us. Oh, my God. This is true. Oh, my God.

This might be out of date, but 2021, 12 million monthly active users on GroupMe. On GroupMe? 12 million. It's basically dead. Oh, yeah. I think it it's i haven't had it on my phone in forever there was a time where i had multiple frisbee group me's going on had the work group me like i was in four or five different channels i'm in about seven active group me's right now all frisbee teams yeah grip me is still owned by microsoft really oh yeah that's right and they've never done anything with it wow i google would have sunset that like 15 years

that's a fact that's just so true we can give them credit for that all right all right new one i like this one we've had so many wonderful guests in this past year uh i'd like to know who was your favorite yeah i've had good ones i am partial to the creator interviews like talking to creators about being creators so in the past year that would be dr mike cleo abram and simone yetch just because that's my favorite conversation and it's the only way i get to have that conversation yeah so i love those that's understandable yeah i. And it's the only way I get to have that conversation. Yeah. So I love those. That's understandable.

Yeah. I loved Simone's. Hers was so good because she was like just enough in the tech world, but also so far out of what we do that it like you guys had a bunch of common things going on. But and also like just OG Simone posts on Reddit like blowing up. Yeah. Just make me feel like the early internet and I love it so much. Yeah. This is an old one. I really liked

we did a really short interview with Jad Abenrad from Radiolab and he has very interesting like information about radio and the way that podcasts work. I thought that was really interesting. I loved the conversation that we had about AI recently. Yeah. With Dan Mbanga.

And then also, I would say, I think that Cleo's interview was amazing. I watched that back a couple times, and I was like, this is really intriguing. Her interview was so good that I started putting full-page quotes whenever they said something profound. I started doing that during that episode

because she had some bangers. Yeah. If I had to pick a favorite moment tom scott doing the type the alphabet yeah is like the competitive one of the greatest thing that's ever happened on this point what 2022 i know we were talking about some older people also that's true i take it back non-2023 2021 non-2023 best moment tom scott typing the alphabet going ultra competitive mode on it and crushing it yeah that was crazy someone tweeted at us yesterday that they got it in like 2.23 seconds

so yeah that's crazy my friends that made the website can do it in like 1.2 which is why he made the website because that used to be like a thing he would practice. Also, he's making a bunch of updates to it. So now it has the full alphabet and highlights the letter that you're on and scrolls across. He's also added typing it backwards. He's added typing the first 40 digits of pi. He's been putting a bunch of updates to it, practicing coding. So there's some cool stuff. Type the alphabet dot app.

That's dope. It's pretty cool. Yeah. I think he's going to start doing cool yeah he's i think he's gonna start doing a like challenge of the day where he's gonna add like movie quotes or book quotes and stuff and you type that yeah so cool he's been working on it i can't wait yeah uh my favorite interview was the rj one from ribbian yeah that was super fun for me because we shot it in the car which is crazy so we had to set it all up and everything. It actually was raining that day,

which we were not expecting. And then I was supposed to be like a floating cam, just walking around and like recording the thing because I couldn't be in the actual car. So not only was I stressed about everything in the car working, but I had to get the craziest shots with a camera in the middle of rain. In the rain.

We were in like that skeleton building. So like it was covered, but there was still like drops coming down all over the place but it ended up working out so nicely like those are some of my favorite shots i've ever gotten like it's really it looks so cool do you also remember i went to a hockey game the night before and yelled too loud so my voice i had like no voice and i'm like trying to talk to people it's like I was very nervous about that that was a fun was a fun and we got some good uh some good quotes and insight from that interview too yeah that was good yeah I liked Raleigh Raleigh was great yeah huge fan of his and when we finally got the email like yeah we're doing it I was like oh yeah you're really stoked yeah a lot of people how are you

Like, oh, yeah. They were really stoked. Jazzed. Wait, how are you? He was jazzed. A lot of people also asked us why we decided to do that collaboration. And after the Apple episode, Ellis came to us and said, I have a great idea. Like, Climate Town, great channel. Then we came back and Jono was like, I love Climate Town.

So I started watching it and literally watched. I've watched every episode and listened to every podcast that they've had because I liked it so much. And then looked into our comments and so many other people were like, Climbatown, Climbatown, Climbatown. So it was awesome to get him on and that he's right in Brooklyn and kind of like we have him now. You got to do it again. Other things. Yeah. Also, Dr. Mike, I thought that was very cool.

Underrated episode. That was a fun one. He is a cool guy. Cool cat. Also, very funny that he's a boxer. Doctor that hurts people. That's good. That's good comedy.

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bar and grill on the water pro max we have our three lovely hosts of the waveform podcast david amell andrew magnalee and marquez brownlee and i'm here to ask them guys what was your favorite episode of the year july trivia extravaganza was my favorite to be a part of for sure that was family feud that was the family feud version uh i mean what was it what do we call it the um the survey the guest oh yeah the wave four survey with verge cast no no this was the like family feud version where we're all sitting here and Alex is in there. That was the most fun to be a part of. I know it was very different

for listeners and everything, and I was very frustrated because wireless charging, you guys don't want that in your phone. I'm definitely not still salty about that. Yeah, that's funny. And then my favorite episode that I just watched,

probably because I wasn't here, but the Climate Town episode was awesome. I was super pumped for that. I missed it, but you guys did awesome, and and it's a sweet video I was scrambling to watch you did so you did so good on it though it was awesome I'd never heard of it before so I had to catch up on that um I really liked the live apple episode that we did I thought that was really cool that's what I was gonna say oh well you're talking about when we went to apple park in september yeah yeah there's something about talking very brutally honestly about apple's I thought that was really cool. That's what I was going to say. Oh, well. You're talking about when we went to Apple Park in September? Yeah.

Yeah. There's something about talking very brutally honestly about Apple's new announcements. Right in front of Apple. In front of the people who are hearing reactions for the first time. Uh-huh. That's fun. People do wonder that. So there's probably like two or three Apple PR people there. And then the rest of it is actually a team that's contracted out, I believe.

So they don't actually, they're working for Apple in that sequence but and those guys rule they're amazing and like one of the reasons i liked that so much is because even in the second time they made a whole desk and video setup for adam and ellis like to me that just kind of felt like wow these people are looking at our pod not just inviting us but like they know what we do yeah and they made it special for us. These aren't the same people that buy all of the exact camera and computer equipment that we have. No, it's different. That's a workflow scheme. I just meant Apple in general.

That was mine, too. I think that was super fun. I also really liked the trivia extravaganza. It was a lot of fun. I can't imagine how much work you guys had to put into that, but it was fun on our side playing then this was technically this year uh secret history of the internet was this year which um it was sort of a part it was a prequel to the i can't have the seven keys of the internet that we did last year as the last episode of the year last year

yeah so yeah it was really fun to do that yeah it came out later but it was a prequel it was like star wars uh and then we did uh it was way better than episode one i don't know episode one was pretty good not of star wars oh okay yeah yeah um and then a lot of people really liked the cyanogen mod episode as well we got school really good feedback on that a lot of people like wrote about it and we got a ton of people yeah that was cool just being like memory lane memory lane so that was fun nostalgia is a hell of a drug yeah exactly my favorite episode was i think it's called thoughts on apple vision pro and wwdc 23 because that's the most views that's the one that we had to fly back here to record after we didn't get to record it in apple right because the only time slot that we had was the verge cast to have the verge cast episode yeah really quick fun fact about that the episode

either one or two before that was wwdc predictions in july that video itself had like 300 000 views which was after the event a month later after everything had been announced 300 000 people watched our predictions on the event really like so what if you quizzed me about the analytics of the channel i would have gotten that wrong every single time because i i really don't value predictions videos as a creator because i do believe that they become useless the fastest it works well for this. But they're fun. They're fun.

And it's a podcast and we're doing timely stuff, but then the fact that it actually did continue to get watched after it was already a thing. I think it has more views than the actual event one. And it got more views after the event than before the event. Yeah. That blew my mind. We looked in like July and we're like, where are all these views coming from?

And that was like the top view. people watching us predict what already happened yeah cool speaking of predictions i've got a quick question what's your guys's biggest prediction for what's going to happen in 2024 in tech in general i'm so ready to be wrong i think that multimodal AI is going to take off and start being integrated into everything. That's such a lukewarm take. Do better. Do better.

That's a safe. No way. I think that is the thing that we appear to be on the precipice of, so I believe that. I'm trying to go far out. I'm trying to go a little bit bigger. Like November of next year. Yeah, just like...

Just something crazy. The iPhone 16 won't have a port. Roadster has no shot again. Apple Vision Pro... Do we get Apple Vision the same year? No, probably not. Probably another year. A couple years.

Okay. Do we get some crazy... Like the iPhone, we already know, is going to be an incremental thing again. Pixel, Samsungawei oh you know it's gonna be interesting though is the the apple watch x because it's going to be a full redesign go on well that's the 10th generation there's a huge rumor that there's going to be a major redesign of the apple watch next year i like that i feel like we heard something about major redesign and it was all the software major i don't know hopefully it's time to do it it's time it's time to do it it's time to do it

all of us are too scared after we just said everything that was wrong we're all too scared to make that yeah bold of a prediction i'm just having a hard time because again so much happened that wasn't on my 2023 bingo card it's like okay and another monitor in a suitcase like how the hell was i supposed to get that soon darren becomes ceo of amazon hustleblad finally ships a camera that can shoot 8k video or video at all or video at all and it'll be 8k yeah that's not gonna happen that's not gonna happen holograms is your actually looking glass has yeah that's that's my one like a real you think it's gonna be a trend next year yeah i think we should talk about trends not products i don't know if it's going to like come out but it's going to be the the thing you know i think we're very

close to a few different volumetric display technologies yeah working uh-huh huh yeah like what's what's going to be the biggest trend of 2024 that isn't ai everything's gonna it's still just going to be ai just a different version of ai like what you said i think multi multi-mobile so instead of transparent objects or tech i think it's gonna go colorful i think that's gonna be the bring back real colors bring back real colors i like that a lot what about transparent colors maybe but we kind of already have some of that though like we had so many yeah i think some phones like that would be sick so that's so many beige and silver and gray things this year i would really like that to be correct yeah bring back the colors bring back the morphism

all right here's another one here's another question worst product of the year absolute worst product worst product release of the year sure mine is based on release okay worst product release of the year it's it's so obvious what is it oh the new apple pencil that's a great one that is a really good one it's usbc it's fine what's wrong i don't see the problem is usbc i don't see the issue what's what's the problem donald town pro all right so what's your obvious one yeah it's obvious uh the saga solana crypto saga the solana saga phone yeah it's pretty brutal yeah that's pretty brutal was that even this year yeah technically really it had a very long drawn out history before it came out this year it did yeah damn that was rough yeah yeah that's the winner i guess it's the worst

i have one for you worst product release i message for android phones yeah because multiple multiple not just beaver they came out for like a day and then every single one all of the releases so that's my answer that's a great answer that's true that's a great answer that's true wow even though some of them might work eventually in terms of a release those were So that's my answer. That's a great answer. That's true. That's a great answer. That's true. Wow. Even though some of them might work eventually, in terms of a release, those were brutal releases. Yeah, the time between release and can't trust anyone. And our sorries were record-breaking.

Okay, mine is X, the product. Oh, that's a good one. You'll get the most flack for it but that's interesting removing twitter and rebranding it as x you just mean the branding the product itself I don't use the worst released product is x premium

isn't there like a $44 a month version now $22 or $23 a month isn't it plus grok is the worst product I still can't use grok because when I try to use it I click on it and it says you need a premium account $23 a month. Isn't it plus? Grok. Grok is the worst product. I still can't use Grok because when I try to use it, I click on it. It says you need a premium account.

So I hit the button and it's like, you've had a premium account for this long. Okay. I guess I'm not using Grok then. There was a bunch of anger inducing things that rolled out this year. Like when they redesigned Spotify, that was sort of a. Which time? To, yeah, right. To, to. But they got rid of that yeah they're like tiktok version they got rid of it i would be qualified as a failed it was totally

failed release because they got rid of it yeah real quick um they didn't get rid of it actually it's just in a different section in the app so at least it's not like at least it's not taking over like yeah before it was like it took over it was like right there yeah oh i do want i have one for my most this is a different category but my most underrated product of the year spotify dj i like the dj a lot what's up i'm your dj i'm your dj x what's up david what's dj it doesn't say your name that's it no no that's how mine doesn't say mine maybe it's changed but sometimes the the tone of his voice sounds like the self-checkout wait when it's like mine to say my name yeah please put your bananas in the loading area ready to go

gonna get this wednesday it starts at the beginning mine's always like what's up david mine never says my name i'm gonna play you something you haven't heard before here's mgmt just to keep you on your toes we also have like 10 david imax that one was better it was better but the next part was actually not i'm what's up david imax and wait let's see if mine says my name coming up now i got full we'll start it over. Start it over. Start over. I think it will only do the intro once a day, though.

I think you might have a name that it knows how to say. It's never tried to say my name. It has to be like a predefined list of regular names. I think so. I'm just putting it on my list because I think, again, in our world of like everyone's talking about AI and 95% of people are talking about AI and chatbots I think we should highlight the other genuinely interesting applications of AI that aren't chatbots

of AI yeah I think that's one of them okay yeah AI DJ oh AI DJ yeah okay I added one here at the end okay I want everyone to list their favorite soundbite that we use I think not like we've their favorite soundbite that we use. I think not like we've been using soundbites more,

the oops soundbite and some other ones. It's so good. But I think we use them so much more in studio that doesn't make it to the final, but we have a lot of soundbites on this board and I want everyone to list what their favorite one is. The favorite one that's on the board. Yeah. Can be from whoever the one that makes

you laugh you gotta play it after we mention yeah see how close we can get to the actual uh sound like you have to say it first yeah like i can't say andrew's code as well as andrew can say i don't think i can say it as well as i can i i think my favorite is i don't think i can name all the planets yeah i don't i don't think i can name all the planets you had another one that i really like this i'm sorry i'm trying think i can name all the planets you had another one that i really like this i'm sorry i'm trying to stop it no the one where he goes i think he says i used to think that i was smart oh yeah i thought i was smart but i love that one can you play that and then the planet one i thought i was smart but yeah i don, I don't think I can name all the planets.

That's a good one. Timeless, I really like bingo, let's go. Bingo, let's go! Because that's timeless. And I get a lot of tweets about that one of people just tweeting bingo. It also has the background conversation that confuses me sometimes. And I think some people are just talking in here. But the i think the one where you like sneeze and then you say i'm sorry i tried to stop it i remember that life i remember that life that was uh that was pretty funny yeah it was fun also

just whoops yeah whoops whoops fits the best so good and it happened to come the week you were gone yeah so we just used it as your every time we made a mistake you just said whoops in the episode that was great that's great i think yeah besides whoops i think my favorite has to be 15 of my diet is chulula i'm realizing i just said a lot of dumb things on this part there's i thought i was smart i thought i was smart i I thought I was smart. I just want to give a quick shout out to some of the ones that didn't make it onto the board, like this outtake from the Climate Town episode. Waveform is produced by 1Tesla and 1Rivian,

and our waveform music is by Big Silks. I'm so mad I wasn't here for the side banter of like everything going on we also got this gem go east sorry no doesn't matter which way you go go west from the Philippines Iceland that's not editing no

because then you say no this way I see I say, so I slip. Tele-pee. Okay, that's just me saying tele-pee in reference to teleprompter. You guys get the idea. We've got a lot of good stuff on here over the years. Sweet plate of chicken nuggets. When did we say that?

That's like not in an episode, I don't think. No, I remember that that cannot be I don't remember what I was thinking of I think it was gamers can't afford this you're a gamer you cannot afford this

I'm sorry I think I'm sorry audio listeners one more this isn't always us saying nobody's ever complained about yes they have that's how I feel opening the comments

to the video every single week there's no way they could be talking oh we got some good bites so if anyone's ever wondering what we do between ad breaks it's usually just a lot of that yeah alright well instead of trivia to wrap up this uh fine episode we thought we'd just hit you with a little bit of uh fun

facts uh about this year and just sort of the show in general um so for you we have by the end of the year we will have published 55 episodes of the waveform podcast in 52 weeks in 52 weeks look at us above average we published 128 waveform clips wow wow sick in the lifetime of the wave i'm gonna say again in the lifetime of the wave... I'm going to say that again. In the lifetime of the YouTube... Oh, with the music. With the music. In the lifetime of the Waveform YouTube channel, we have had 11.6 million watch hours. Damn.

How many years is that? Which is 20,138 days, 662 months, 55 years. That's so crazy. Crazy. I think about this all the time like

I never spoke to anyone in high school I was like the quiet ass kid in the back of the class and when I see like Spotify rap things

about a podcast that has my voice in it is mind boggling to me that's a lot of years of human life sorry

it's been 55 years and I'm still listening to the way and last but not least controlling the lights requires 432 megabytes of my graphics memory nice just that someone out there multiply that by the amount of episodes that we've done and that's a lot of memory it is yeah especially when you consider all that memory is going towards yeah just that nice worth it well that's been an incredible wrap up to the year look we appreciate all of you guys for listening and for watching and subscribing because that's partially what

makes this podcast possible and it's partially what makes this podcast possible. And it's also what makes it so fun. It's why we do it. So thank you for watching and listening. And I have nothing else to say other than see you in 2024. Yeah, have a happy new year. Thank you again.

This was the best year Waveform's ever had. Of my life. And we plan on the next year just being even better. 70 episodes and a movie. 53. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Vane Silver. Take care.