Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Waveform Trivia Finale - The Closest One Yet!

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

It's the trivia finale! We wrap up this season with some good old fashioned tech trivia (plus an audio round with a spin). Check out who wins because we're resetting the score for the next episode! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No crazy intros, no G Fuel gimmicks, just straight trivia, straight fire, three segments with ad breaks in between, just like all of them. Love that. Just like TV. Okay. Do we start with the scores cumulatively and then we have points to play with? Is that how this works? Absolutely, Adam. So the way this is going to work is you guys have your scores from the whole season up until this

point we're going to continue adding on to that but each question will be worth whatever the hell we want basically so your scores don't don't really matter until now now the scores matter marquez is holding something up to the to the mic to the mic to the camera but i don't know in third place andrew manganelli with 16 points in second place with 20 points hailing from northern california the east side by nevada david emel i got junk in my nice and in first place only one point ahead of david he's been hailed as the greatest tech reviewer on the planet. Whoops.

Marquez the unit, Brownlee. I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Fantastic. Happy to be here. I hope you play sounds. I don't know why I'm expecting the blinds to open and a studio audience to be behind it watching. That would be so great. It is worth noting for non-East Coast viewers,

we do tape this show in New Jersey. It is January and a studio audience would be sitting in a 30 degree chill outside in a parking lot. That's correct. But without further ado, I'm going to turn it over to my lovely co-host Adam for our first category, which is WACronyms. which is WACronyms. That's right. A portmanteau of WAC and acronyms to discuss all the weird acronyms we find in the technology space.

Adam? There's a lot. Thank you for clarifying. So the first question, API, what does that stand for? They're writing. They're writing. they're all locked in like usually they're talking and joking i need i need the the random i need the g fuel questions here as the one who got all of them wrong i need them i'm pretty sure fuel is an acronym no really I don't know gamers for you even life is that real

no I made that up what alright what do we got David application programming interface booyah one point for David I got none of that I made a pure guess but I got one of them right I said automated programming interface.

I see where your head's at. I got two of them right. What did you put? Actions per instance. Ooh, I like that. That sounds really good. It's kind of like what's your... APM. Yeah, that's I guess what I'm thinking of. That's what everyone used to use as a metric. Sick APMs. Very nice. Alright, number two.

You may remember when we went to Virginia to save the internet we witnessed an encryption scheme using SHA-256 SHA is an acronym SHA what does it stand for I wasn't even there I don't remember this um it's also just like never mind never wait how do you spell shaw it's s-h-a pure guess i don't know smells like dry erase marker in here flip him and read boys what do you got i wrote some i'm sorry what you're not what okay i wrote some homes are and then i was thinking like not secure

no i really couldn't think of anything i wrote security oh homelessness I really couldn't think of anything I wrote security Home Assistance Yeah I didn't get that right What'd you write Marquette? I did write sweet home Alabama Sweet home Alabama baby

I got it wrong That is a good guess Secure hash algorithm. I should have known that. I think I was the closest. Secure. I got the SEC part, right? Yeah.

Yeah. All right, for this next one, we all know 5G. We all know 4G. But do we remember the sweet spot right in between them? 4G LTE. Yeah. What does LTE stand for?

This is going to be a long episode. Don't worry, it gets better. It's tough. I remember this being a dumb acronym. It is. Then I'm wrong. It stands for acronym. It is. Then I'm wrong. Sends for long, uh,

late home Alabama. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Marques, can we start with you this time? I wrote long-term evolution. Ooh, and you are so correct. Nice. I wrote light transmission excelsior because i don't know what the e is i also i also didn't know the lt long-term evolution nice job points for david and marquez any nice do you remember long-term evolution advanced oh boy do i that was bad thanks at&t it was tough times oh wait was that like 5ge

yeah and it was also at&t yep all right all right clearly we have the heat turned up too high two related formats competitors of the popular jpeg-I-F and its cousin H-E-V-C stand for? And maybe I should make this one worth negative points. What? I'm just kidding. It's worth positive points. I don't use an iPhone, so I never was going to know this. It's on Android, too.

No, it isn't. It's on Pixel. Okay. What do we got? I wrote high-efficiency image format and high-efficiency video format. That is correct. Wait, I thought you were asking HEIC and HEIF. You said, oh, well.

Both. Oh. Oh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said HEIC. I said, what did I say? You said HEIC and HEIC. I do think you said, you said HEVC?

Yeah. Oh. I don't think you said HEVC. We will consult the tape. Yeah, I thought you said VC. I don't think you said VC. tape yeah sounded i thought i thought i don't think you said vc i thought you did i thought i did you said yeah you said it's yeah you said hif and it's cousin the video format what did you write andrew webb that's such a good answer though yeah what's the deal with webb did you say it's video format cousin? Yeah. I know, I'm pretty sure I said HEIC.

Also, technically, David, you're wrong on both, but you're close enough that we're going to give it to you. Why am I wrong on both? David said high efficiency image format. It's high efficiency image file format, one. And two, you said high efficiency video format. It's high efficiency video coding format. So one of the Fs is silent?

All right, I'm done with this. I'm done with this round. Alright, I'm just gonna I'm kicking it off to the next one. I'm tired of acronyms. Let's go. This next section So do I get points or not? is called The News.

I dig it. All of this week's hottest stories. This week? Vision Pro? No, no Vision Pro questions. I dig it. I like that. All of this week's hottest stories. This week? This week? Vision Pro? In one, no no Vision Pro questions. Also if you couldn't tell everyone in this room is exhausted from Vision Pro content. It's a miracle we're even recording this right now. This is a fact

And it's Tuesday And it's Tuesday. Also disclaimer number two, disclaimer number two this is coming out the following week. So these stories may be old news by the time you're listening to it. I don't have the brainpower to say next week or the previous week or whatever math calculation. So I'm going to speak as if it's this week, even though it's next week.

Bet. Cool. All right. I'm not going to ask questions. Question number one. Okay. I'm not going to ask questions. Question number one. Earlier this week, Joanna Fares, who earlier in her career was a vice president at the NFL, was appointed to be the president of what major gaming company? The NFL. I didn't really catch this news as I was busy editing the entire time.

Didn't the Vision Pro just inject all news into your brain at once? Pretty much. Flip them and read. activision blizzard i put activision it's half a point technically technically technically how do we do this because no because technically no no technically activision blizzard has a ceo because they are one company she is the president of blizzard okay so separate entity so unfortunately i do feel like we can give david the point it's andrew i don't feel like we can give it to you i'll be fair because i specifically didn't put blizzard because

yeah they just fired 2 000 people so you're saying they wouldn't hire someone and pay them two million dollars a year so marquez you're not thinking with shareholder value, my friend. That's arguably the better answer. EA? Well, besides it's wrong. I wrote EA. EA is a great answer if you don't know what it is. NFL, EA makes sports games. That's what I figured.

That makes a lot of sense. EA also made Harry Potter. To be clear, they did not hire her from the NFL. She went from the NFL to Activision to be their vice president of esports or something like that. And then she just went from being a vice president at Activision to president of Blizzard. Now she can grind in World of Warcraft classic. It's actually called Season of Discovery now. Season of Discovery?

Never mind. Anyway. It's still classic. Next question. Earlier this week, Senior Verge editor Tom Warren discovered that after updating Windows on one of his machines, Microsoft Edge had scraped what data off of his computer? Scraped off. What data?

What data? Updating data. off what data what data updating data oh i did see this story i did you like i vaguely hurry up hurry up write it down i did see this oh in time i wrote it in cursive what did you write what did you write in cursive yeah it's for audio it's a scribbled mess time zone no i wrote screen time no i wrote cookies technically i'm assuming that's how they did it but no it's no no it did it did scrape his cookies it wasn't in the headline it's great well yeah that's how they have it but no it's no no it did it did scrape his cookies it wasn't in the headline it's great well yeah that's how they have to do it but the point of it was that they got the tabs the chrome tabs yeah chrome tabs when tom after updating his uh windows computer he opened edge

and the very last chrome session he had open just came up tabs and all in edge and then he and the story really and what happened is there they did add that feature to edge but it's a toggleable feature and he had had it toggled off and it still did it and they forced toggled it on with the newest no if he went in the settings it was still toggled off but it just scraped anyway by accident nice on accident don't ask permission ask forgiveness yeah yeah exactly exactly. Don't. Alright. If you're a $3 trillion company, do whatever the hell you want.

Last week, a former meta-engineer by the name of Tyler Bainbridge opened up his new social media platform called PIFYI. It just passed 10,000 users as of Monday. PIFYI is the companion app to Bainbridge's much more successful newsletter called what?

It's called Piffy? It's called Piff-yee! While you guys are thinking. It's a newsletter? I read the first like 20 words in this story. It's a newsletter? Yes, it's a newsletter? I read the first, like, 20 words in this story. It's a newsletter? Yes, it's a newsletter. Did anyone used to go on that site DatPiff or just me?

DatPiff? Adam gets it. DatPiff? It was like Bandcamp, but exclusively for rap mixtapes. All right. I wrote P-I. We're going to come back to that. I didn't even write anything.

All right. Total guess. I named the only newsletter i know morning morning brew so david why did you write pi because i remember in the 20 words of the article that i read that it was like an extension of his other thing yeah yeah you get the points it was called perfectly Perfectly Imperfect, which is where the P.I. and P.I.F.Y.I. derives from. So that's that's that's a news. I think that counts. Yeah. If you're curious, the whole idea of P.I. and then P.I.F.Y.I. is non-famous people who are certified to be, quote unquote, cool giving recommendations. What? Yes, it's very weird. So Adam, I mean, Adam has a newsletter called Cool Supply.

I feel like he should be on there. Yeah, picture like the Lower East Side version of Adam. Ew. I don't want that. I just want to- Anyway. Amazon announced they will be shutting down their bid to buy the makers of hit robo vacuum Roomba,

forcing them to pay a 94 million dollar termination fee wow what is the name of the company who both made the rumba and will be receiving this payout oh god i remember this finally no one uh god what was it uh if i if this is wrong i'm literally walking it's like it's a really full of themselves name that's what i remember no hints andrew hurry up david write something write something i believe you got it right based on how fast you wrote it i wrote it in person i'm worrying that there's like a bigger version of it but flip it and read i robot i robot i do remember that now

do you know why i remember what you write i wrote robo rock which is their biggest competitor the reason i remember is because if you have one you keep trying to go to the roomba app but it's the i robot app and in a totally different spot and very annoying yeah another fun fact they were gonna buy it for 1.2 billion dollars interesting how did you just have that fact on deck i did it's surprising that they're not called roomba because that's what everybody not only calls them but calls well they probably other roomba after their other robotics can you not what other robotics switch to x and is a company that makes kleenex called kleenex yes no it's Procter and Gamble well there though

is it wait could I it's Kimberly Clark but Kleenex is like the company yeah I think so no Kleenex is the brand name it's like okay a better analogy would be Dyson right Dyson is a company yeah but they like

they make sucking tools tools that suck and they because why don't you just say air compressors sure air compressors because they make they just focus on air compressors they can put air compressors in vacuums in

fans in hair dryers hair dryers headphones i robot name themselves as yeah headphones i robot name themselves as like i robot because they they're not just going to make vacuums even though that's what they've done so far because they've completely dominated that space yeah i mean it's it's better than u robotics. Yeah. Do you know what their big device was? Hellfire missiles? The Palm Pilot. Ridiculous.

Anyway, would you guys rather do another Amazon headline or an Apple headline? Is this a This Week headline? Yeah. Amazon. Amazon. Amazon. Amazon is adding commercials to its prime video this is what it's gonna be about charging an extra three dollars to remove that now i don't know 299 per amazon

per amazon where was i what is the most mid show on prime video per amazon's announcement how many minutes of commercials will be shown per hour? Per hour? Total guess. Again. I don't use this service. Per hour? In minutes. Is it close? Let me see what your answers are

and then I'll figure out how to do this fairly. We're still at the beginning of our game, folks. We have a long way to go. I'm excited. I love this. Okay. I wrote it in cursive. Three. That is correct.

Is it really? It's a range, but three is within that range. What else do you guys got? I wrote eight. No. That is outside the range. I wrote 17. Per hour?

Marques just got hired as the new CEO of Amazon. I thought that was the number for cable TV. Cable TV is pretty much that ratio. 17 minutes per hour? Per hour? For 60 minutes, yeah. Because Spongebob episodes are only like 13. 22 minutes.

22 minutes. That's eight minutes. So it's A over 22 eight you know that's like almost damn that's one three to one yeah that's about i don't know yeah marquez this is the difference marquez is impressive when he's wrong i'm just an idiot all right next question you gave me the point yeah i gave you the point hey just uh I gave you the point already. Hey, just checking in. Just checking in. Making sure you didn't forget. Worth five points.

Oh. Because why not? Okay. Everyone got real serious. Okay. After iOS update 17.3, Shazam now functions with internal audio streams while what device is connected? Yes.

Internal audio streams? That's what I said I don't my answer doesn't this is it I want to say yeah yeah that's what i wanted to put i put is that what it is wrong i put airpods that's what i was gonna put yeah okay that felt pretty obvious i put headphones correct again yeah headphones was the answer we were looking for but obviously airpods with an apple product i was gonna put that answer yeah all right i think we have one more headline and then well five points let's go let's see all right last one i should get a point for c we're still missing let me just adjust one we're still missing vision pro app entries for major players in the software game. Yeah.

However, one company announced that not only its app will be available for the headset at launch, but it will eventually add features such as real-world pinning and 3D object sharing. I mean, that's a lot of data. That's a lot of data. They kind of all have done that. This is a third-party app. A third-party app just announced they're going to support these two features in their Vision Pro app. That is correct.

Just announced? Just announced? Announced in the past two or three days. I read something like this. I bet you did. Oh. All right. I got it.

What'd you get? I wrote it in block letters. Zoom. Let's go. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I didn't write anything. Wow. It was Zoom.

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Welcome back to Trivia Extravaganza. So, quick update on the score. Marquez, 28. That was a surprise to me. Sounds great. Andrew. Carry the five. Carry the five.

22. All right. Let's five. Carry the five. 22. All right. Let's go. David with 27. The next round is a bit different. I'll have Ellis explain the rules. So this round is called They Don't Make That Model Anymore. And what we're going to do is we're going to list a product and the year it came out.

These are all very old tech products. we're going to do is we're going to list a product and the year it came out. These are all very old tech products. And you guys have two minutes to make a guess on how much that product retailed for when it came out. Accounting for inflation? Not accounting for the inflation year. I have the prices adjusted for inflation for funsies. But these are I want know, MSRP of the era. And just so you guys know, I hope you have fun because this one was so brutal to research. I was like, oh, this will be a fun little idea. I'll just get to it. And like, dude.

Two days later. I feel like every time we do this, Adam and Ellis are like pumped for trivia extravaganza. And then you see them a few days into working in it and you're like, you guys okay? Yeah, you know, yeah. When you're Googling things like radio shack fall 1996 catalog it's like oh man i can attest that googling launch msrps is the bane of my so often dude you do it all the time even just from like last year doesn't matter what it's on sale for it matters i will have you know that some of

these ellis had to literally pull up like pdf library screenshots from old magazines to get the price for that that's epic so assuming we don't get them on the nose because we don't have that like catalog index in our brains is it like closest wins we're gonna do closest yeah so not prices right rules whoever is closest over or under all right all right ready yep. So our first product is from 1975. 1975. It is the Pong home console. This early on in the Pong console's life, it had a hard time

getting picked up by retailers. It was very, very expensive for the era. But in time for Christmas, Sears worked out a deal with Atari to sell it as a Sears exclusive as a Sears-branded game. exclusive as a Sears branded game. It was a Sears telegame. And that is where the Sears Christmas catalog from 1975.

I found this price in. You have two minutes max on the board. 1975. I can't think without the band. I'm thinking that Sears adding their brand added more money. You think it added money? I assumed it would deduct money from it. Wow.

Because it was having such a hard time. But think about Sears in 1975. They were popping. They were hot. Yeah, because they were cheap. Atari? Cares about games. It's all about Sears.

And Ellis said that it was because it was having a hard time selling, that this and the co-branding made it easier to sell for Christmas. The reason it was having a hard time selling that this and the co-branding made it easier to sell for christmas selling was because it wasn't sears brand that's all anyone cared about games i just to be clear it was having a it wasn't selling prior to this because no retailer thought it would sell and would agree to sell it in their stores because it wasn't sears branded because it was expensive and because there's no such thing as Amazon. Yes. That checks out. Okay, so it's got to be... So you have to find it in store.

Original MSRP of 1983. 1975. I don't even know what things cost. How much did a cheeseburger cost back then? Probably like 15 cents. I think that's a great way to judge inflation is how much did a McDonald's hamburger cost at that point. I just want to remind you you're on the clock.

So at least write something down. I'm writing it. A movie was five cents in 1975, right? I think a cheeseburger was like a dollar back then? You have about a minute. Oh, that's a long time. Remind me the name of it. Say the name one more time.

The Pong Home Console. Marques, you're familiar with Pong, right? I know what Pong is. Yeah, so so this is pong after it was an arcade game this is the first home version of pong one could buy and it's worth noting this is the price without the power supply don't know why the powers by the power yeah to buy it separately i don't understand why maybe they just assume that guess the power supply price i don't have it written down but i could find it just can you find it just throw it at the end of the pod or something like that okay i'm very interested um all right my marker kind of sucks can i see those markers is it's right here is this just straight up

closest price not like go you're you go over yeah cool i feel like to the people out there listening who owned this or bought this, some of our prices are going to be like, are you kidding me? Yeah, but remember a cheeseburger was 15 cents. Alright, it sounds like you guys are ready. I want to read your answers. At least that's what my grandma said.

Alright, what do we got? I wrote $4.99. Not even close. I meant $4.99 not even close i meant four dollars and i mean i meant 49 you know what's weird that number is perfect we're actually none of those are close all right i wrote 85 85 and marquez i wrote 99 Marquez gets it. It retailed for $98.95. Adjusted for inflation, that's about $580 today. Dang. That's adjusted for inflation. Yo, inflation goes hard.

Holy smokes. The power supply retailed for $795. $795? Which is what? What is that in inflation? $45? What is this, Apple? It's like $1,000.

Yeah,ation dollars. All right. Up next, we have the TRS-80 home computer. The TRS-80 home computer. This was, in fact, 4K. And by that, I mean the entire operating system fit on 4K of ROM. Got it, got it, got it, got it. And if a single one of you responds to that joke

talking about level 2 or fortran you are a nerd just saying all right i'm not a nerd yeah you've exposed wait what was the question how much does it cost it's the only the same question every time folks our guest was writing and dav David and I were just waiting. Vision Pro is weighing heavily. On your neck. I know, but I'm realizing that Marques has actually spent the most time in Vision Pro and I wonder if it's making him smarter and more alert. No, it's not.

It's definitely not. It's truncating his brain. It's giving the outside of my head What was it called again? It's a personal computer. It was the TRS-80 sold by Radio Shack. You didn't tell me that. Wait, and what was the date? Oh, 1976.

Thank you, Andrew. These are going to be coming in chronological order. Okay. But you're right. I didn't finish. So it does more than pawn. Give him a point for that one. Give him a point.

Let's go. Just handing out points. Sorry, someone's paying attention. That's wild. Yeah, I don't know anything. Also, it comes with the monitor. I don't know if that changes things. Wait, wait. The computer comes with the monitor, but the game

doesn't come with its own power. I imagine this computer also came with a power supply. Seemingly so. I'm trying to compute inflation dollars. Yeah. Because I know. No, no. I want the original price. I know, I know, I know. But when you said that the $100 in 1975 is $500. No, no, I want the original price. I know, I know, but when you said that the $100

in 1975 is $500. Well, remember also, the video game market didn't exist in the same way, so the only way they could market that was as a toy. So it's an expensive toy? It was pretty much the most expensive toy you could buy. This is a computer competing

against other computers. So I market myself on dating apps. And, yeah, RadioShack. Wait. My favorite part of that was you went back to the microphone to say wait, true podcaster. I'm a pro. It's also, I think

I'm willing to give out a point if anyone wants to take a guess as to what TRS stands for. Remember, this was sold by Radio guess as to what trs stands for remember this was sold by radio shack i guarantee s stands for system trs how many points are you willing to bet on that three i'm allowing wagers you're willing to bet three points that the s stands for system yes i'll allow it you said system all right you know i'll just tell you now okay so you have my three points or something is that should we know i think no no no you just lose three points but i will allow that kind of wager too adam's like no i'm just throwing something david how you feeling over

there does everyone have an answer they're confident in not yet oh i have an answer what is that what is the S stand for again? I can't tell you. So we don't know. Oh, you tried to trick me. I did. Trickster. I've got an answer.

And how much was it? I was about to say it. The S doesn't stand for system? It does not stand for system. What could it possibly stand for? It was made by Radio Shack. Stupid is what it stands for. All right, all right.

Flip these boards. Okay. Okay. What do we got? That's a very specific number. $299. All right, all right. I wrote $150.

All right, all right. I have the lowest guess at 139 97 all right that means our points are awarded to david these these this computer retailed for 599 95 which adjusted for inflation is 3300 that's a vision pro that's a face computer and uh anyone's final guesses as to what trs stands for i wrote totally real cereal but like a cereal number i like how hard you're trying to figure out what s stands for when totally real was your first i mean it was it was radio shack trs stands for true tandy which is radio shack's parent company radio shack he told you the answer like twice radio shack wait so you're telling me that putting the sears branding on the pong system lowered the price but putting the radio shack branding on a computer

system made it 3300 that was a good Huell Hauser. That's a lot. That's pricey. Wow. RadioShack was kind of dope back in the day. It only does one thing. You can only afford that if you're not somebody. Oh, no, that's all right. I'm still on Pong.

That's totally different. Never mind. Okay. Yeah, that's fine, I guess. It's a computer. All right. Next up is the Panasonic PV1600, a VCR from 1980. How much was it? The first generation VCR is packed with all the bells and whistles. Timer, check. Channel changer, you got it. This first generation VCR

is almost identical to the iconic RCA VDT 600, which I don't know what that is, but Ellis wrote this, so he knows what it is. Top of the line, first generation VCR 1980. Let's go. For the young kids out there, what does VCR stands for again? It stands for video cassette recorder. Also, I know that the PV stands for Panavision. Good job, David. They're not giving points.

Don't do it i will give you points if you know the rca branding equivalent of pano vision nope i was writing in cursive what'd you say rca the rca equivalent of pano vision oh what was the rc select division oh yeah oh i'm not gonna be able to listen to this song no no that's okay and i realized how stressed it made me when i got towards the end are you ready for those wondering why music is playing we requested it because it was very quiet and now it's just stressing me out in another way first generation products are always more expensive yeah but like and this is a first generation product first generation movies tv related and that's when vcr finally beat out dvd beta backs no this is first

generation so they're they're both on the market and also didn't yet be it would be another six seven maybe even 10 years before the first pre-recorded content was sold on vhs wait so you just you couldn't even put anything oh this is where you recorded exactly which is why the timer and the channel changer were such important features to have because if you were at a restaurant your change to channels yeah not just that you could put in times and channels so record one program at one time change channels at the time to catch every single dude these things are pretty lit it's time to be alive and that's why it's so frustrating when people are like oh man like the only reason like people chose betamax is because

of this or because it's like the betamax machine does not have any of these features wow yeah and the first generation product had all these features? This is a rant Ellis has been dying to have for like two years. Okay, anyway, let's see what you guys got. I put $129. I also put $129. Okay, maybe I should undo that. Oh, no. So what did you put, Marques?

I put $77. Oh. My sweet summer child guys in 1980 this product retailed for 1295 dollars adjusted for inflation this thing cost five grand holy crap yeah no wonder that those features oh my gosh how much were cars so technically david and andrew both got the point there yeah wow we didn't even put 99. How is that more than... Dude, when these things came out, they were so expensive. How did we both put one for 99?

That's wild. I'm throwing out all logic from here on out. I'm just going to name a tech YouTuber. Yeah. All right. Next question from 1981. The Sony Walkman WM2. This second generation Walkman was available in the United States, and it was the best selling cassette Walkman of all time and originally available in gray.

And that's it. So Walkman 2, but it was the original one. original one uh it was uh it's the walkman 2 but it sold so much more than the walkman 1 that most people remember it as the first walkman they were exposed to wow walking again man okay this is a pretty popular product so i feel like it has to be reasonably priced this is unbelievably popular so this is is this argue this is like one of the first times you're carrying portable music with you portable personal music with you well there were besides like a boombox versus like a boombox no there were portable radios at the time they were just but personal music that you get to pick so like

you're picking the cassettes uh 1981 what this is the first one where the size of the player truly rivaled the size of the cassette itself. Okay. Okay. I think... So it's like for... It's basically first generation. Yeah.

I said basically. But it also... It's complicated because Sony is a Japanese company and the first walk-on was much more popular in Japan than it was in the States. Should I say bleeding edge?

Yeah. This is totally bleeding edge. I mean, I should say that. You should be saying how much it costs. I'm trying to think this out. And by all the other bleeding edge stuff you think, this is probably $50,000. Right.

Adam, what was the company? Sony. How much did it cost? Almost got him. Almost got him. I'm deducting a point reasonable price here a fork

no that's my reasonable price for a Walkman POV you're a 16 year old in 1980 3 1981 you're listening to the Beach Boys you're listening to the Waveform Podcast you're listening to the Beach Boys. You're listening to the Waveform Podcast.

You're listening to the Beach Boys in 1981? If you're hip like me, you were. Wouldn't it be nice if we... We all have an answer? Yeah. Marques is tired of this. What do we got? I put $29.

$29. The range on this is crazy. This is crazy. I put $399. Oh my God. $399. And I put $29. $29. The range on this is crazy. This is crazy. Okay. I put $399. Oh my God. $399. And I put $99.

Marques takes it. It retailed for $85.90. Yes. What was the inflation? Adjusted for inflation, that is $302. I was thinking this was like so unbelievably popular. How was a VCR $1,200? That makes no sense. There's a lot of stuff

in there. Yeah. You could walk around with this. Home theater stuff is expensive. Yeah, dude. My dad wasted all of the money that we didn't have on home theater stuff. Think of it this way. I'll tell you what. Think of it this way too. Like, you know, the bandwidth of audio tape

is 0 to 20,000 hertz or 20 to 20,000 Hertz. Right. So in order to have the, uh, ferric oxide go back, uh, anyway,

it's a luxury products. Nobody else could do it. Someone's going to be really bad. I did that cause they were into that. Go watch technology connections. They'll, uh, they'll explain it better than I ever could.

Do you mind if I do this next one, Adam? Go for it. All right. So this next one, I think we've done all these sort of simple products. Let's get real high tech. Okay, real high tech. 1984, the premier smart home device of 1984. Say it, Andrew.

I feel like you were kind of, I don't know what it was, but wasn't it like the smart home? The Clapper. The Clapper. That's right. 1984's Clapper was the smart home device to compete against the X10 home automation protocol

sold by the same company that sold the Chia Pet. Wow, they were on one. Titans. They were on one back then. Titans of TV. Let them cook. 1984. What else did they cook up?

And then the Clapper and the Chia Pets. They had an oven. They had a creativity to. They had an oven mitt that had finger slots called the Of Glove. I love it. Oh, that's good. They had a few of those. Yo slots called the of glove. I love it. Oh, that's good. They had a few. Yo, if I could invest in reverse.

Invest. I would love this. Do they do OxiClean too? I don't think so. I think OxiClean is way newer. So how much was the clapper? How much was the clapper? 1984.

Okay. So the clapper. That's a simple one. That plugged into... I'm positive. I'm positive. It plugged into the wall, and it just had to hear audio and send a signal.

This has got to be cheap. This has got to be cheap. I'm going cheap. What year are you in? I mean, 1984. This was 1984's Google Home, pretty much. Yeah, and Google Home Minis are like $2 in cereal boxes now.

So like, the clapper. Google Home Minis in cereal boxes. Dude, if you buy something Google related, it's hard not to get a Google Home Mini with it somewhere. Oh my god. But is this the Google Home Mini

or is this this old pie? They just throw it in my window at night throw it through your window with a note on it that says watch out i even think yeah the clapper the clapper and it only works for one device actually you can plug uh uh i'm trying to remember the first generation i think could do two and then they added a third device but you might have been able to do three devices i think the one from retro tech had two smart plugs from cheap companies now cost like 15 19 dollars yeah like 20 bucks

so what would be the equivalent of that although was this the first gen clapper or the second gen clapper first gen clapper i think we all did you write something did you write something not yet sorry david all right just cancel the cat i'm sorry marquez what do you got all right my answer i wrote down 9.99 all right 9.99 49.99 i wrote five dollars all alright the correct answer was $30 oh so you were Marquez what did you put

oh no Andrew's closer 10 I'm 2 cents closer right you're both $20 off well no

because he's $9.99 and I'm $49.99 so I'm a cent under and he's a cent over so I'm 2 cents closer I'm sorry Marquez

it's funny I wrote 99 and I was like, it'd be cool if one was closer due to the cents. Well played. $30. Well played. All right, this one is from 1985. Ready? Speed, excellent quality, bitmap graphics,

convenience copying, font switching and downloading, quiet operation, the most powerful tabletop printer in the industry maxing out at 300 spots per inch this beast of a machine can print at or horizontally that's right it's 1985 xerox 40 xerox's 1985 4045 laser copier printer did they really have to differentiate that it can do landscape and portrait dude don't don't even get me started on this one. That's hard. That's hard stuff. Okay. A Xerox printer in 1985. What's the thing about the bitmap?

A Xerox copier printer. Copier? A Xerox laser copier printer. No wonder Xerox PARC had all that innovation. All right. What does PARC stand for? P-A-R-C. No, what does it stand for?

I'll give you a point. One, two. Potentially a really cool place. Printers. Printers are really cool. That actually is what it stands for. No, it's the Palo Alto Research Center. Oh.

Isn't it weird that Xerox invented literally everything? They invented the mouse. That's true. And the GUI. Yeah. And the chip. That's a lot. invented literally everything uh they invented the mouse that's true and the gooey yeah and i wish oh wait sorry so the printer the printer and the scanner it's a printer i don't actually think it is a scanner no it is it no it's a copier so i don't think it is a scanner you have to scan to copy but i don't know if we could upload that to a computer. I don't know. So that's the thing. We'll get into it later.

But yeah, it's a laser copier printer from 1985. Seems really nice. This is a business enterprise. Wait, was it like a big one? One of the big ones? It's not one of the really huge ones when you think of the classic 60s and 70s Xerox. It's much more similar in size to like something you'd see in a university these days you know what i mean it's not like a small

printer big tabletop it's like that thing at your university that you had to pay to use you know what i mean sort of like big it is it is big but the the 60s like the 50s through 70s Xerox machines were like half a room. I mean, you know what I mean? Like they're not that big. Okay. All right. It sounds like you guys have numbers. I wrote down a number.

Let's see. I feel absurd. I wrote $999. $999. Wow. Well, we're at $500 Delta each. I said $1489. You said $1489.

I said $1,999. The point belongs to... Andrew. Let's go. That's right. This thing retailed for $4,995. Adjusted for inflation, that is $14,000. Business, that doesn't surprise you.

All right. Let's do one more. Bro, it's at least an extra 2,000, so you can print it out landscape. Not just that. You could go up to 24-point font. I was going to ask how many pages per minute could it print. That was going to be my barometer.

Oh, I had that as part of this. I didn't write it down in my little script. Because that, to me, is everything. This thing was fast. I would have had the price if I knew that PPM as part of this. I didn't write it down in my little script. Because that to me is everything. You know, this thing was fast. I would have had the price if I knew. All the Zoomers say that everything was more affordable when our parents were alive. I'm pretty sure everything was way more. Well, they weren't buying this.

This was an enterprise. As soon as Ellis said enterprise, I was like, this could be a million dollars. What's the equivalent to like a really expensive thing that we don't buy because enterprise? The same thing. Printers and like industrial printers. VHSs industrial printers like these cameras i mean they still have no okay yeah c500 but think about this okay like a vhs machine you would buy for your house but you can only do that if you're pretty wealthy really wealthy yeah but it's at least in your house what's the equivalent of that for today uh the Apple Vision Pro. A Diviolet Phantom.

Yeah, that's another good one. How much do they cost? $3,000, $4,000, $5,000. Jeez. Yeah. Yeah. All right, last product. All right.

Last product. I think this is a good one. This is the Motorola Bravo Lifestyle. This pager was all the rage. It timekeeping message time stamping and an auto on off you can store up to eight numeric messages in it and in case you guys for some reason have an encyclopedic knowledge of pager prices this is specifically the price for the neon yellow color oh whoa so do you think neon yellow is like premium the neon yellow color. Ooh. Whoa. I pictured. Do you think neon yellow is like premium color?

Neon yellow was a premium color. Premium, nice. Extra. Was it released three months later to refresh the press? I think it actually might have been. So the Motorola Bravo was like a pretty popular line of pagers. And this is the Bravo Lifestyle Plus. So it's like the special version of a special version of the Bravo.

So you see someone with one of these bad boys clipped on and they mean business? Actually, possibly the opposite. The Lifestyle series was in these fun, translucent plastics. It seemed like it was for teenagers. Neon Yellow is one they're like, we've finally gotten this. It was hardcore teenagers. There it is is when they're like, we've finally gotten this.

It was hardcore teenagers. There it is. Like we've done enough of the black one for businessmen that how do we sell a new version to a new audience? Like when they made the Walkman, but durable and yellow. So I'm guessing it's cheaper than the traditional beeper. But more expensive than the lifestyle version.

It was more expensive than the lifestyle it was more expensive than the traditional version but by an amount of money that it feels like i'm trying to think of an equivalent product where you have to spend like a little bit more to get a different color by inflation you mean ai pin damn yo it's a hundred dollars more for anything but the base color tesla model 3 yeah okay any car yeah but cars feel different if i had this thing i would have a shirt that said eat sleep page but you're like vastly overestimating how much a pager could do oh this is 91 by the way did i say that adjusted for inflation i was born in 2004 no i got a number one year old nice

i was a thought i was born then or were you 90 also i was 91 you were 91 nice how much did this cost i will not be got um so it was for the teens. I'm imagining Adam's mom is like, I think I'm going into labor. Paige is Adam's dad on this and is like, you gotta get home. If you think my dad

had a Lifestyle Plus, you're mistaken. He was more an OG Lifestyle guy. He was an OG, yeah. OG Bravo. OG Bravo guy. Moto Bravo Lifestyle Plus. All right, let's see

these boards fellas electric yellow edition i wrote 199 wow i wrote 89 i wrote i wrote i wrote 208 21 i think i'm wow i totally had a brain fart i'm sorry can we do that one more time? Marquez is used to the Vision Pro protecting his eyes. Yeah. I wrote $199. I wrote $89. I wrote $208.21. Who is closest there? Well, what is it? Did I just forget?

It's $115. Why am I... Closest. I'm $89. Yeah. I'm the closest. Yeah. Andrew, you're killing this.

Wait, what is... I'm overestimating everything. It's because I'm the boomer here alright before we go to commercial break oh sorry do that again before we go to commercial break before we before we go to commercial break

I wanted to invite a trivia veteran to come and do one quick question specifically Mariah Zink veteran to come and do one quick question. Specifically, Mariah's Inc. No, please. Please don't. I insist.

Is this in the theme of the current theme? This is in the theme of Mariah's Inc. This could be any format, any theme. It's RuneScape based? Oh, boy. So, I know you all have been dying for a follow-up question. So I have a crawfish fun fact for you today.

Louisiana farmers annually harvest up to 150 million pounds of crawfish each year. That's a lot. How many pounds of crawfish has the current world record holder sonia thomas consumed in one sitting it's a multiple choice question wait didn't marquez say how many crawfish he's eaten in a sitting i've eaten 60 in a day well you have options well no that's a good point that's that's what marquez that's my reference amateur eater okay so we have what would a pro it's multiple choice oh it's sorry how many pounds how many pounds okay options pounds option a 1.5 pounds amateur option b 4.7 pounds and option c 6.5 pounds can i clarify something before we go no

choose your pick 20 pounds choose your fighter old record holder yeah those are amateur numbers are the numbers the meat that was taken out of them or how much the crawfish weight it's the starting weight okay yeah oh that's that changes everything that kind of does change everything all right so. So, David, you said option B. I wrote B as well. And then what did Marques say? C. I said C.

All right. Well, Marques, you are correct. That was a trick question. 6.5 pounds of crawfish. That's sick. I got the trick question wrong. That is a sickening amount of food. There's actually a video of it online.

Could you just play the sound and uh do you want to hear how many other things she's consumed other records she has in the same record holder i imagine crawfish was a specific one just to have a world record and she probably has a bunch of other world records of other random foods she does it's very impressive okay um she actually i think for the crawfish record beat all the other male competitors by multiple pounds wow so this tiny woman her nickname is the widow maker um what and she's also eaten 183 chicken wings in 12 minutes i can't even imagine i don't think i could pull that many off the bone in 12 minutes. And she's also eating...

Yeah, 183? No way. Yeah, she's eaten 206 gyoza in 10 minutes. That sounds delicious. Ungodly. And also 80 chicken nuggets in five minutes. That's nuts. That's a lot of crawfish. It sure is andrew

we're gonna take a quick break and uh we'll have some more i i assume trivia tech questions we're actually gonna be eating crawfish i wish dude that'd be sick though i craw wish I am so dreading groceries this week. Why? You can skip it. Oh, what? Just like that? Just like that. How about dinner with my third cousin? Skip it.

Prince Fluffy's favorite treats? Skippable. Midnight snacks? Skip. My neighbor's nightly saxophone practices? Uh, nope. You're on your own there. Could have skipped it. Should have skipped it.

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Welcome back, everybody. Ellis here. We're going to begin our final round in Waveform Trivia Extravaganza. But first, a quick update to our score. Adam? Marquez? 28. I've gone down. Because you bet three.

Andrew? 27. Yeah, I'm just saying MVP round there. I got Marquez to lose three and I got a bunch of points. That was great. David. 28. Win the lead. Time to buckle up.

Let's go. This is our audio round. A fan favorite. All right. Today's this time's this go around this extravaganza's theme is tech announcements. I'm going to play an audio clip

of the announcement of a product and you need to tell me which product that is. For example, if I play... So... Classic. Three things. A widescreen iPod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone,

and a breakthrough internet communications device. Vision Pro. You guys would say... Are you getting it? The iPhone 1. The iPhone. Sure. If one of these isn't the developer's chant,

I'll be very upset. This will be It was Windows wasn't it? Are you talking about the one where they're all like dancing? Is that not? I think that was like Windows 98 or something I thought it was a Windows That one is not on here unfortunately

But we do have some other good ones like this one Now I want to point something out here The thickest part of the MacBook Air Is still thinner than the thinnest part of the tz no you are writing it david just we're talking thin here but he could be wrong it's the ipad so it's so thin it even fits inside one of these envelopes that we've all seen i was there i remember and so let me go ahead and show it to you now.

For those curious, we do bleep out any time the product or company or anything is mentioned, hence the... Now I want to point something out here. The thickest part of the... Alright. Everyone read your answers.

Can't leave it at that. Can't leave it at what? MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. Three correct answers. Can't leave it at that. Can't leave it at what? MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. Three correct answers. Way to go, guys.

Number three. You think you would have got it anyway? The envelope thing, yeah. Yeah, it's iconic. If you used that before the envelope, probably would have. That was iconic. Don't worry. They get increasingly less iconic.

Okay. Today, I'm incredibly pleased to introduce our consumer product. It comes from the marriage of the excitement of the Internet with the simplicity of. Even though this is a full-blooded. We are targeting this for the number one use that consumers tell us they want a computer for, which is to get on the internet simply and fast

Okay, I know I know this Okay, this we had this heads on a retro tech this month. This was probably He did I think it's the cuz they adds people getting on the internet for the first time It's the in the 80 time. It's the beep. In the 80s. It's a full-blooded. Oh, man. I'm very wrong, or now I, are we still talking in the same?

The audio quality would have been the same, because audio technology has barely changed. Yes. I'm leaving my answer. I don't know. It's between two different computers. I'm nowhere close to what yours said. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, interesting.

All right, let's hear your answers. What was so interesting? I wrote the iBook. I wrote Chromebook. I wrote the Lisa. That was so interesting. The MacBook. It was the iMac G3.

The first product branded with the i. Wait, iMac or iBook G3? It was iMac. iMac G3, the fun colored one. Remember. I thought that was called the iBook G3. It's not a book. The clamshell?

Nope, you're still wrong. It's the iMac G3. It's the one that's computer. The bubble. Oh, getting on for the first time. Because it was the kindergartners were getting online for the first time. And it's the i stands for internet internet mac mac really yeah so is it internet pod too no well no by that point it was just like a back it was just iconic by then

yeah there was the mac and that's why he says it's a full-blooded macintosh i had to bleep that part obviously um and that's why it's extra funny that steve jobsintosh. I had to bleep that part, obviously. And that's why it's extra funny that Steve Jobs would be up there selling a Chromebook. But this one might be, I don't know. A Chromebook?

And quite frankly, I couldn't be more excited. This is everything The Rock is. Cutting edge, powerful, exhilarating, and like The Rock, it will be the most electrifying thing coming out this year. And what The Rock is, the sports entertainment to the WWF. Oh, sorry, that was not trimmed properly. It was supposed to say, we'll be to video games. Yes, that was actually Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

And he was standing on stage next to Bill Gates, and I need to remember what he was announcing. That is so hard. Marquez, when he played this for me, I had the exact same reaction. I was like, I know this. What is this? I've seen this. It's just the two of them standing next to each other, and I'm so mad my board's going to be blank

because I don't remember what it is. Oh, no. I can see it. If this is right, I'm very surprised Marques got it wrong. Marques, did you not write anything? I didn't write anything. Alright, what did you guys write? Xbox. Xbox? Xbox? Yes, box!

Marques, you said... The rock was correct. Wait, you said he was standing next to Bill Gates and that it was a video game device. Yeah. And I wrote Windows and I was like, I don't know sorry windows yeah all right number five you had it that was close the bar is pretty high in order to really create a new category of devices those devices are going to have to be far better at doing some key tasks they're going to have to

be far better at doing some really important things. Better than the laptop, better than the smartphone. What kind of tasks? I got it. Well, things like browsing the web. That's a pretty tall order. Something that's better at browsing the web than a laptop? Okay. Now, some people have thought that's a netbook.

It was. The problem is, netbooks aren't better at anything. That's not true! Steve Jobs. I love my netbook. I love my ASUS Ebook. They're slow, they have low quality displays,

and they run clunky old PC software. That's true. They're not better than a laptop at anything. They're just cheaper. They're small. They're just cheap laptops. Small, small battery, small screen. I love them.

You guys arguing with Steve Jobs in real time, like that is so, so funny. Steve. Yeah, that was a good time. Steve clearly didn't have my EE book. I had an Asus laptop also, but it was like some other, I forgot. I reviewed it too

Eee PC Pad sorry And you are correct I got surprised what are you guys right I also wrote iPad nice nice nice nice., the iPad is not better at surfing the internet than the MacBook. Well, now it is. No, it's not. Oh, then the MacBook, no. But then the netbook I had in 2008.

Oh, my God, yes. I don't know. I don't know. You guys never knew the pain, man. I had a netbook. I know. But that's what I'm saying. It's like having a netbook is fine when you're like,

I'm not even going to get into it. Let's get to the next one. It's not worth arguing with you guys. Oh, I know this one. Thank you and good morning. Thank you for joining us here in New York City. You know, it was just 18 months ago when N***a outlined a new strategy

to deliver people great mobile products. At that time, we recognized that the industry had shifted. It had shifted from a battle of devices to a war of ecosystems. And in order to deliver consumers a competitive experience, N***a needed to be part of an ecosystem. I got it. Which meant giving people beautiful phones while also ensuring that we delivered a wide range of services and applications that consumers expect today. As a result, we outlined deliberate steps *** would take to realize our strategy and

bring to people great mobile products. What do we got? Well, you didn't pray last time. I was listening to the thing. So give me a minute here. Okay. Great mobile products. All right, I'm done.

Great mobile products. That last line is throwing me off, but I think I'm sticking with whatever. Sure, why not? Okay. This one's worth two points. We just decided. What? I'm sticking with what I wrote. Why not? Okay. This one's worth two points. We just decided. What? I'm sticking with what I wrote.

I don't... I have no idea. Okay. It threw me off. All right. All three wrong answers, but for our audio listeners, let's say them anyway. Amazon Alexa speaker. No.

Aero App Store. No. Aero Pixel 7. No andrew was the closest though the answer this was for the nokia lumia 920 and 820 this is where they announced they were going with the windows phone series 8 os so when they said egos mobile devices at the end because that whose voice was that i don't know it sounded familiar it sounded like jeff bezos for the first half of it yeah he did have a very tech executive voice. And then I, at the end, got thrown off.

It's whoever was the president. I think that's what immediately just made me think up. When they said mobile devices and ecosystem together, I thought Pixel Watch. That's when I thought Windows. And New York. And New York. Pixel Watch.

That's a recent one. That's a good one. I like that. But the audio sounded older than that. Yeah, it did. On to the next one. Dang. Dang. Dang. And New York. Picks a lot. That's a good one. But the audio sounded older than that. Yeah, it did. On to the next one. Dang. Dang.

Hi. Dang. I'm Michael, and I'm a product manager on the mobile team. I just drove from the office in California to the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco. That's so funny. And I used a very exciting new feature of to guide me. I'm pleased to announce the beta launch of one of our most requested mobile features.

Turn-by-turn GPS navigation with voice guidance is coming to for Android-powered phones. navigation isn't your typical GPS navigation system. Less than 1% of today's GPS navigation devices are connected to the cloud. But navigation was built from the ground up for internet connected devices.

I don't know why I'm beeping things. It's very funny. When I tested this round out on Miles and Adam they both just couldn't stop laughing. I can imagine Miles just laughing this whole time. I feel like I'm wrong because it feels very obvious and Marques looks very confused.

So I'm probably wrong. The answer is the Apple Watch. Remember, it's Bleep's office in Bleep, California. That's right. Let's see what we got. Google's office in Mountain View, California because it is Google Maps. That is correct, David. Way to go.

Oh, so we're at Google Maps? Nice. I wrote Garmin. If it was glass, they would have done the audio bit of them jumping out of the blimp to land. I didn't realize there were software products on this list. Maybe I should have mentioned that. Tech products. Yeah, I just thought a product was a device.

No, I understand the confusion unfortunately i cannot award you points but i will take responsibility for the incoherence up next the circle perfect what was this some might say simply perfect stop johnny i am a complete set of points, all equidistant from a single point on one plane. That's couch. No beginning. No end. No end to the beginning.

This is fake, right? So round. It's that circle phone. So circular, if you will. What was the circle phone? Little known fact. The Latin word for circle is circus. Circus.

Isn't that delightful? But that delight inspired us to reimagine the circle for the new precisely 3.5 millimeters in diameter, forged and machined from the finest premium grade copper and iron, housed in a unibody of die-cast aluminum. This is real. This is real. This is real? To deliver the satisfying feeling of clip. Of clip? A circle,

yes, but also a hole. A tiny black hole with the gravitational pull of a trillion collapsed stars. Wow. I had to cut it off. Approximately. Wow. I had to cut it off. It keeps going.

I have no idea. I remember that. That's freaking incredible. Yes, I played this video in here for you guys about a year ago, actually. I remember listening to this in the upstairs office one time. Why?

I'll give you a hint. The key part of that was the 3.5 millimeter measurement of the circle read them i wrote it in cursive what did you write in cursive headphone jack that's what i you think this is the this is a product announcement for the headphone jack i think no that's what i wrote but it's for is it for a phone that still has the headphone it was for a phone that had a headphone when after apple took it away when after apple took it away and that phone was wait wait give me a sec no wait why did marquez write yeah we're on a headphone jack headphone jack oh wait uh the pixel one oh. I feel like it was more around...

The HTC One. I thought it was like Pixel 3. No, the Pixel 3 didn't have a headphone jack. Did it not have one? Only the Pixel 1 had a headphone jack. Only the One did? Yes, it did. Oh, the Pixel 2 did.

Did it? Yes, it did. It was the Pixel 2. No other Pixels had one? 3.4 millimeter headphone jack, refreshingly not new. I'm mad because I was going to say 2. That's what they said,

refreshingly not new. Pixel 1. Well, you're wrong because the Pixel 5a did in fact have a headphone jack and this is the announcement video for the Pixel 5a. It was an announcement video for the Pixel 5a specifically for the headphone jack and that

was that video. How did this not get more press? Wait, so the announcement was specifically for the headphone jack? Shut the f*** up, Andrew. I'm not giving you That is such bullsh**. I mean, we all would get it. It makes no difference. Yeah, we all wrote that.

Oh, but that's not enough either. Now you have to change these passwords every three months. So it's s***. We saw an opportunity to make users' lives safer and easier through biometric authentication.

Now instead of typing a password, you are the password. It's the perfect combination of security and convenience. One of the most exciting examples of this is the iris scanner, which maps your iris and creates a unique digital signature. An eye print instead of a fingerprint. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh. Okay, so, okay. Oh, my God. I need to remember which phone this was. For this one, if you just want, I'll accept the OEM, just to make it a little easier. Oh. Oh.

But, yes, this was the announcement for a specific phone, and maybe we'll do an extra point if you can get the phone, too. Well, that makes me... That changed my... That changes the game for me. I. And maybe we'll do an extra point if you can get the phone to it. Well, that makes me... That changed my... That changes the game for me. I'm just going to guess one of them. It wasn't that one. Oh, well.

All right. Okay. David? I wrote... Dude. Wow. No, it says iPhone X. It says iPhone X.

Thank you. That is incorrect. Got it. I wrote OnePlus. That is also incorrect. I wrote LG. Is it also incorrect. I wrote LG. Is it LG? It's the Samsung S8 Unpacked.

They were the first. They were not the first. They were first. The S. Yeah. What really messed me up is them calling it biometric and then saying only iris, which there was a bunch of fingerprints before that. Later in the event, they talked about it. They did have an iris scanning feature i do remember that all right we have one more

in our audio round thank you for reading this one needs a disclaimer original because i am pretty sure this is a real announcement video i haven't found any credible evidence that suggests it's not a real announcement video. I just have only seen this reposted two places in the entire internet. It looks professionally animated. It sounds professionally voiced over. It feels

real, but just the fact that I can't find very many references to it makes me a little skeptical, so I just wanted to put that out there i think it's real if it's not real and you know it's not real please reach out to us at the show we'll make a correction everything about you and not saying that makes me think it's fake you'll see what i mean it like it like it feels so real that it kind of almost feels fake that's the vision pro uh tagline as well smartphone. It's come a long way.

That's... What started out as a nice thing to have is now the most important device in our lives. Lies. But the industry has hit a wall. Each new phone is just a slightly better version than the one before it. True.

Adding to it has become... It's the crumple phone. ...a sea of sameness. Oh my God! ...and a focus on apps over the phone experience itself. True. Don't get us wrong. We love apps.

You do? The current smartphones make you use them one at a time. In and out. And on to the next app. Then the next. And the next. Rarely working together. So, what do we do now?

We start over with a different kind of phone that doesn't make you go in and out of that is the team of which we glad sounds like a Chili's commercial no exactly I don't mean like you like the emotion a non advertiser wouldn't have made something is cheesy hubs that pull the stuff you want and bring it all to one place. This isn't the next chapter in the story of the smartphone. This is a new beginning. The new series.

Series? That really sounds like a humane pitch. Wait, series? Yes. So it wasn't a single device once again the last is there any way you could play that halfway through since i interrupted uh sure and yes this is not a single device this is the announcement of an entire platform what with a different kind of phone that doesn't make you go in and out of apps, but lets you glance and go.

Actually, I'm going to pause it again and say, I'll explain why the word series will probably not be helpful to you. And if you ignore it, you are more likely to get the answer correct, in my opinion. With a different kind of phone that doesn't make you go in and out of apps, but lets you glance and go. A new experience that keeps your life in motion and lets you flow seamlessly through integrated hubs. Hubs that pull the stuff you want and bring it all to one place. This isn't the next chapter in the story of the smartphone. This is a new beginning.

The new ****** series. So I will also add part of the reason I think these are real is because the dates on the YouTube uploads, the two YouTube uploads of this I found, are accurate to when this product came out. So if someone were to have made like a parody. So the is 100 real like you know the product is real no this came out this had a full you know life cycle and stuff it sounds like a t-mobile commercial it does sound like a t-mobile but didn't everything sound like write something down yeah was this can i ask if this was a hardware or a software product uh this video that's a really tough question, Marques. It may not be real. It is real.

This video is for the software component of it. I prefer the term platform, but technically this is not confined to a single piece of hardware. All right, I'm not going to change mine. I mean, I've got it wrong. I'll accept a pretty broad array of answers. I know this one's a little weird.

Can I give reasoning as to why I picked mine? I would love that. Sure. All right, let've got it wrong. I'll accept a pretty broad array of answers. I know this one's a little weird. Can I give reasoning as to why I picked mine? I would love that. Sure. All right, let's flip it around. Oh, that's... I wrote Blackberry. But what led you there? The, like, pulling things into hubs.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, Blackberry Hub. What about you, David? I wrote LG V10 because those phones had that second screen. I was first thinking like a Surface Duo. I was as well, but they never called it a phone.

They specifically said it's not a phone. Andrew? I wrote Windows Phone. Which is the correct answer! Way to go! I guess I was confused because we talked about Windows Phone before. You wrote Windows Phone? That one was worth two? Hey, we never said.

I thought you did say it was worth two. The last one was worth two. You didn't say it wasn't worth two. Never did you say it wasn't worth two. Also, I'm going to be honest. I feel a little bad because I wrote that down very late after there was a conversation. That's fine, dude. It's fine.

Whatever. I mean, only feel bad if you win. Well, yeah. Wait till the score comes out. All right. So just to clarify real quick, the reason that the word series was at the end of Windows Phone is because Windows Phone was built on the work that was Windows Mobile before that. The last version of Windows

Mobile was version 6.5. So the original version of Windows Phone was branded as Windows Phone 7 series. Yeah, that's correct. I remember that. We are running out of time here, but we want to get a few more questions in. So we're going to do a little speed trivia. For our audio listeners, our contestants are now pulling out their game buzzers. You might remember these from the Family Feud special. For those of you who have never seen the buzzer action play before, David, would you hit your buzzer? David. You will hear

that when David gets it first. Andrew, will you hit your buzzer? Andrew. You will hear that when Andrew hits it first. And Marquez. David. Wait. Minus one point. Marquez. All right, we're good. I was worried that the buzzers were broken.

And I'm going to pass it over to Speed Round Maestro, the Leonard Birdstein of Speed Rounds. I'm going to pretend I know who that is. All right. Thank God it's not just me. First question. Either of you? Leonard Birdstein?

Legendary composer of the New York Metropolitan Opera? Wow. I'm not a rich. Not on the same level. I'm not a rich. A movie about him

is in theaters right now. Was it Tar? No. Nowadays the Tar is about Tar. Former U.S. President Barack Obama was famously a user of what phone?

Marques. He had a Blackberry. David. Okay, but he now uses an iPhone. And I know exactly what apps are on his home screen. But no one cares. It was what famously was he a fan of? He was the Blackberry president.

He was the Blackberry president. Then they made him switch, right? Because you can't have one-winger. Or they made it like a super secure something. I thought the Blackberry was the Blackberry president. He was the Blackberry president. Then they made him switch, right? Because you can't have one-winger. They made it like a super secure something. I thought the Blackberry was the secure phone. Yeah, Blackberry messaging. That's what all the secret codes were sent. I don't think you can have a smartphone that tracks your GPS location all the time.

I think they had like a dumb phone. Like a palm phone. Like a super secure dumb phone for the president. Secure palm phone. So, next question. What is the most recently discovered planet in our solar system david planet x that's twitter marquez neptune correct really yep oh in 1846 was pluto discovered after but then taken away as a planet. Also correct. It was discovered in 1930 and then demoted.

Demoted. That was pretty easy. Just pick the furthest one away. How far did it go? Next question. I can't see that far. I feel like that was a targeted question. My eyes are back.

Is a Taylor's version. Speaking of targeted question. Oh, God. Taylor Swift notoriously was an anti-Spotify person and did not have her music on the platform. But eventually she did. That's's right when did this happen 2022 nope what are you looking for a date or an album a date i was saying i said 2022 yeah and you were wrong 2023 wrong that was my first guess. Andrew. 2018? Wrong, but close. Shame. 2021.

Oh, we're still going? No. 2017. 2017. There's no penalty for being wrong, and you get infinite guesses? Yep, you just keep going. Okay, good to know. Can you go back to back?

Back to back what? Like if I go wrong, and then I press it again right away. After the first three, like once, remember? Each person gets a chance. Okay, cool. Your buzzer is deactivated until I reactivate it. And so you have no idea when it's going to be active again. And don't spam the buzzer.

Taylor's version question again. Number two? Number two. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to do that. The extremely popular music video slash short film all too well is sitting at a cool 95 million views on youtube right now fun fact a lot of it was shot on kodak 35 millimeter ectochrome so the question what the public 1970 nope 1971 nope Marquez 69 nope 67 wrong Marquez E100? I'm just going to skip. 1946. Oh, okay. Ektachrome?

You didn't want us to count all the way up to the current date and then count backwards? Exactly. Wait, really? That was when it was first released to the public. It was for government use before that, or private use, something like that. Ah. Yeah. All right. Okay.

Next question. I still shoot it sometimes. What? Why would any of us have known? I thought David us have known? I thought David might have known. How long is one Uranus year measured in Earth years?

David. One year. Let me think about this. One Uranus year measured in Earth years. Can we do like with it? 67. This one I'll just take whoever's closest can I go again? we're going with an even multiple

you guys will get one more round wait how does that work? Uranus? I get to think now because you both guessed wrong and then it's again I didn't even buzz my thought did you buzz me?

Oh. Oh, man. I thought it's about a year. That's what I said. Wait, pause. But if we go again. I'll take whoever's closest. What if the first one is the closest? One guess each.

Everyone gets one guess each right now. 67. Okay. Years? Yes. Marquez's turn. Andrew. 50. Okay. 49. God damn it.

The correct answer is 84 years, so David is correct. What'd you say? 67. So my first guess was actually the closest. It was. This is bullshit. What was your first guess?

I said 68 the first time. I thought you picked 67 just to fuck with me. No, I didn't. I didn't. I know how long the days are on most planets, but not how long the years are. The years... Because they're further away from the sun.

Totally different. It's how fast it rotates versus how fast it orbits. Really? It probably rotates slower if it orbits. What tech device was internally codenamed Shamu? Pixel 2. That's not true! That's wrong! What tech device was internally codenamed Shamu?

Pixel 2. No. That's not true. That's not true. That's wrong. That's wrong. That's my color, right? Wait.

Nexus 6. I had that. No, that's mine. That's me. What? It was my color. I had it first. Okay, okay, okay. Here's what we're going to do.

That was my fault. I canceled Andrew's buzzer, but that was, in fact, Andrew's Mountain Dew. Okay, for our video viewers, I have Andrew as Classic Mountain Dew. I have David as Baja Blast, and I have Marques as Code Red. I saw the green, and I thought it was mine. No, it's all good.

I'm going to give it to both David and Andrew. I was going to suggest that. That was a host error. Were you also going to say Nexus 6? No. I was going to give it to both David and Andrew. I was going to suggest that. That was a host error. Were you also going to say Nexus 6? No. I was going to figure it out eventually. I knew it was a Nexus thing.

I knew it was. Wow. Well, get the f*** to Pixel. Okay. All right. No, I knew it was. It was before the 6P. I probably would have said 6 or 5. I had taken that long I also would have yes

it was shammy because shammy was a whale and it was a huge ass bone that was correct alright next question texredoxin is a neurotoxin that can kill you if you eat it inside what kind of fish blowfish

no i mean sorry i was to say catfish but okay next question that one i liked that one are there any tech ones tech or science take your pick tech science do we have tech questions tech yeah i'm okay with that where's the g fuel question do you don't okay don't tempt fate what was the code name don't't. Darlene for? In what? In general? Yep.

Darlene? Darlene. We talked about it in this podcast. We did? Yep. Are you pressing a button? Yeah. You have to reset. Yeah, you gotta reset.

Okay. Thank you. David. iPhone 10. Nope. Marquez. Windows phone. No. The iPhone 10. Nope. Marques. Windows Phone. No, but good thing.

Wait, in this episode we talked about it? In this episode. Oh. Darling, darling, darling, darling. I don't even. The iBook. Nope. The iMac G3 the Pong system

the home Pong system they had code names alright I think we have time for one more question are you guys ready what if we did two more alright we can do two more

if only my whole life was that easy your alarm goes off what if all right all right earlier before i was rudely interrupted trying to explain how a VCR and audio cassette worked, I mentioned ferric oxide particles. Ferric oxide particles are an example of what? A particle. A molecule?

That's a little broad, I think. What element are ferric oxide particles primarily composed of? Oh. I could have done that one. Well, do it like- Can I do that? Iron. Yes. Yeah. It is iron. I was- yeah.

Nice. Alright, now we have one more. In 2016, Dwayne The Rock Johnson released an alarm clock app called The Rock Clock. You can use it as your regular alarm clock, or you can also set it to wake you up at the same time that he woke up. That's amazing. You don't know what the question is. 4 a.m.

That's fair. That's what you were going to say right? I'll accept an answer 4am Not the question but good You clearly know what we're talking about That is when he wakes up But the question is

And now this is only for David and Andrew No no no Alright alright His app was missing one common feature. What was it? Marques. Snooze. Nice.

The snooze button. That's really funny, though. Also, there were two rock questions, and none of them were about the rock product that we actually had in the office, which were his headphones. Yeah, we had the rock headphones. Those don't matter.

It was missing what feature? 4 a.m. I wish my life was missing 4 a.m. I wish my life was missing 4 a.m. The most useless alarm app of all time. You wake up at 4 a.m. and it doesn't snooze at all. That's not useless. That's powerful. It's powerful until you hit the X button

and go back to sleep. But you can't snooze it. It only does 4 a.m. It's only his time zone also. Which I guess is like seminary in the middle of the day in some New York time zone. I shouldn't have said i guess is like wait no i don't think it was the middle of the day in some new york i shouldn't have said two questions i said i said one i guess it bit me in the butt okay we're tallying up the final score that was a rough couple minutes for me there i i think i got one point i think dav David won because of the extra question. No, I got the last question wrong.

Well, but the way I see it is when you asked for two questions, they added the question. Because they were going to do the rock question because we talked about it. Were they? Sure, you think? That's my guess. I think I was ahead by two.

I think the second to last one. I got Blowfish in there, and that was a quick one. Yeah, but I think I'm ahead by two. It might be. You guys are assuming these are all one point questions. Yeah, it's going to be really annoying when Marques winds up winning this. Stop hitting your buttons.

I'm not. Oh, sorry. I didn't hit mine. It's red for no reason. Mine's over there. I didn't do it. I got beat. That's a good one. It wasn't me. Guys, it's happening. We have a Victor. I'm just stretching.

Sick. Nobody named Victor works here. That's what you think. Oh. But there's actually someone named Victor at this table right now. Oh. Do we have a party hat? He's been playing this game for a long time.

And I think it's been a long time coming for this. No way. Yahweh. No way. It happened. If you're hyping me up, it's not me. I'm gonna cry. The winner of Waveform Trivia Extravaganza 2024 is

David Manganielli. Andrew Manganielli! Andrew beat David by a single point! One point! He carried the one! He carried the one! He carried the one!

He did carry the one. That was actually impressive. Well played. I just want to say the last time this hat was used was a Studio Channel He did carry the one. That was actually impressive. Well played. Wow, he carried the one. I just want to say the last time this hat was used was a studio channel I won as well. And then Marquez crumpled it up. I did. Would you like to do the honors?

I would love to. Thanks for watching the studio episode. I hope you enjoyed the waveform trivia extravaganza where the points kind of eventually do matter. We've been your hosts, Marques, Andrew, the winner, and David. Ellis, Adam. Waveformer is produced by

Ellis and Adam. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro outro music was made by Vain Sill.