Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - We Drove the Cybertruck!

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

This week, Marques and David and joined at the big table by Ellis for a discussion about the Cybertruck! They recount their experiences driving the truck and talk about every quirk and feature they can think of. Besides that, they also talk about Dbrand suing Casetify and go over the Spotify Wrapped for the pod. Of course, we wrap it up with trivia! Enjoy. Links: JerryRigEverything video: https://bit.ly/DbrandvCasetify Google Geothermal Project: https://bit.ly/googlegeothermal Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Come on. Compared to beef burgers on McDonald's current menu at participating restaurants in Canada. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm David. And today we've got quite a bit of news to talk about. New products, new videos, new stuff, new developments. It's all happening because it's Tech of Ember and that's just the way it goes.

Also, some other random stuff like Cybertruck. We got everything you need to know about Cybertruck. Which just today, the embargo dropped on that. So there's going to be a video out and there's going to be a lot of other stuff. So all the details, all the official stuff. Also, wait, quick correction. This is coming out Friday, December 1st. Correct.

Tech-vember. Not tech-vember. Tech-cember? It doesn't roll off the tongue. Yeah, no. It feels weird. Anyway. We'll stick with it.

Detect-ber. I don't know. Detect-ber, sure. Frosty the tech man. But also, let's start off with this dbrand story and Casetify story. Yeah. Because I think it's actually really funny. Big drama energy going on here.

It's pretty funny. Yeah. So, and I got a heads up about this before, but basically, it's all out there now. Zach, JerryRig, everything made a video detailing it. Yep. The high-level overview is d brand has made a bunch of cases with Zach with the tear down skin.

So a bunch of skins that look like the inside of a phone but they're like cleaned up and have a bunch of cool Easter eggs and stuff. Yeah.

And then Casetify a huge case company decided to also make a similarly themed but different named tear down skin for their stuff. Yeah.

Cases for their stuff and just straight ripped a bunch of dbrands designs. Yep. In a way where it's not just a straight rip, but you can tell they tried to hide some of it. They slightly photoshopped stuff out. They did a poor job. But they missed so many Easter eggs that made it clearly the dbrand skin.

Yeah. So that's the high level overview, but the details are so much more funny because the way zach's video presented all of it was so kind so nice and the funny is more stuff came out after the video went live yeah that people realized that they had been ripping skins for a while before that yeah so i think basically some some intern or some artist at case defy probably an intern was like hired they probably were told hey we need some cool new ideas and they went right click save as literally important to photoshop tweak some things yeah and then went

look at this cool thing i came up with and they were like whoa yeah this looks very similar to what dbrand did yeah are you sure it's far away enough and they're like no trust me it's not the same yeah whoops yeah so the funny thing thing about this is that originally they launched a line of skins called Inside Parts. That's what it's called. Yeah. Well, that was the original lineup. So this was launched a long time ago and they got not in trouble, but people started making

fun of them, including dbrand, like quote tweeted them on Twitter and then made a bunch of fun of them because the Inside Parts skin was taken from one phone and no matter what phone you bought the skin for, it was the insides of the one phone. So it was the incorrect inside of most of the phones that the skin. Which was an iPhone, I believe. That's hilarious. Yeah. So you had like an A15 processor on your Galaxy S23 Ultra. Which is like fine for a lot of people, but if you're willing to dig into the weeds and get nerdy about it you can do way better than that yeah yeah so then they came out with a new line called inside out which did represent the right device per case but then dbrand noticed that they probably didn't do their own work of making them themselves because of all of the

little easter eggs there was stuff like 11.11.11 which was dbrand's founding date of the little Easter eggs. There was stuff like 11.11.11, which was dbrand's founding date of the company. Whoops. There was R0807, which is supposed to spell robots because, you know, dbrand robots and Casetify has nothing to do with that. Also forgot to take that out. They even had the quote,

glasses, glass, and glass breaks. And it's like, do you really think that that's going to be part of the inside of a phone huge huge miss there oh man yeah yeah big miss i think that the number one thing i learned actually about this is how much effort it takes to make a tear down skin yeah i was just gonna say that it's crazy yeah the process that they that they detailed was was it's impressive you obviously can just take the back off of a phone and you know put it up against the scanner, scan it, and just print that.

If you really wanted to, you could do that too. It's way uglier. Yeah, it's way uglier, and they wanted to give it some pops of color and some high-resolution detail and some cool looks. So they're adapting the actual accurate inside of the back of the phone and then adding some things

like an exposed wireless charging coil for a touch of copper or maybe adding some text, like you said, some Easter eggs and some fun stuff. Boosting contrast in certain places, etc. So they really go above and beyond to make those, which is cool. Yeah, so dbrand is issuing a federal lawsuit against Casetify in the eight figures, which could be between $10 million and $100 million. That's a big company. Which is a lot of money 100 million dollars that's a big which is a lot of money case if i was a big company and then case to fi uh went on twitter and oh this is hard

they were like we are investigating reports of this we have always been a bastion of uh what did they say originality which okay and then it gets deeper it gets worse don't worry and then uh someone pointed out that they had a line of x-rayed skins as well that people realized they had literally just taken from ifix's website they right clicked save as again for ifixit scans nice yeah and then uh ifixit made a statement on twitter as well that was roasting them too and it just became this whole thing and it's like bastion of originality where you're just stealing everyone's stuff if you have to call yourself a bastion of originality you probably aren't one yeah i think that's probably we've always been a bastion of originally yeah so the

same day that dbrand launched the lawsuit um which they made a whole media event of by the way they sent people email saying we're suing oh yeah they're literally using it as press oh yeah yeah yeah like like us talking about it on the podcast is they're probably watching this like yes yes keep going keep talking about it so yeah they're they're getting a lot out of this for sure and they launched a new set of skins a new set of x-ray skins with uh with zach with a 50 micron x x-ray machine which is a very fine detail yeah pretty much good so good for them oh disclaimer dbrand is a channel sponsor on the main channel right i don't know if you have heard that before but just just so we get it sounds familiar yeah you've you've probably heard that said before but just in case you didn't know i think we got to

stop trusting these companies that end in fi you know like spotify worked sort of you know whatever that burger fi shop of confusing sponsor shopify are they sponsoring us today did i just mess that up sorry maybe not today i don't know i use google fi oh It's called Google Project Fi now. Or Google Fi Wireless now, actually. They changed the name again. Yeah. Yeah, anyway. Anyway, next story is actually kind of a little bit of a tip to a special episode that we have coming up.

I think it got, they posted an Instagram thing of it, so I think people know that we podcasted with them. Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So we did a podcast with which is going to be airing fairly soon. I'm going to beep that. But Google is deploying a new geothermal energy project that is now up and running in

Nevada. This is part of their kind of like clean energy by 2030 initiative. And, you know, we go back and forth about what are these companies actually doing are they just buying credits are they doing this and it's you know there's a lot of there's a lot of detail baked in there uh but they partnered with this company called the fervo to do this new type of geothermal energy plant where effectively they've got hot rocks out in nevada okay hot rocks which is also a name of a spoon album that's really good just so you know okay yeah it is go on okay anyway they've got these really hot rocks they crack uh they make cracks in the rocks and then they this is real they make cracks in the rocks and then they put a closed loop system in there they pour water into the cracks the water turns to steam turns turbines

that water eventually turns back in or that steam basically eventually turns back into water falls back into the rocks turns back into steam and uh it powers pretty much uh google's entire energy centers energy centers data centers throughout uh reno and las Vegas. It generates 3.5 megawatts of power, which is enough to service about 2,625 homes. But it's running all their data centers in that part of Nevada, and they want to eventually expand it. This is a small project right now because it's a brand new type of geothermal energy production. But, yeah, it's pretty cool. They have some really awesome aerial photos of the whole setup and how it works and everything.

And I think that it just makes a lot of sense to take more advantage of the natural energy sources that we already have all the time. Yeah, renewable. Renewable energy, yeah. Definitely. Which a lot of companies like Apple will make these videos of all these solar farms

and stuff that they have. And instead of buying credits, it would be great if we actually just switched over to these renewable energy. That is one huge distinction between like so many of these claims that we should or we'll talk about. But it's the difference between, oh, we want to be net neutral to the environment. So we're going to pollute a lot, but then pay for someone else to not pollute. Right. A difference between that and actually changing the way you operate to not pollute so much.

Yeah. So I can't help, but be happy every time I see some actually useful, meaningful changes like this. So also the picture is super cool. Yeah. The pictures are really cool. I saw a story today that said some airline was paying a ton of money to put like 100 tons of CO2 underground.

And I'm like, that just doesn't sound like it's a good long-term strategy. What if we take it out of the air? And put it underground. And put it over there. I feel like the earth is just going to explode at some point. I don't know enough about how that works, but yeah. going to explode at some point. I don't know enough about how that works.

I think as we edged closer to 2030, we're probably going to see a lot of these companies releasing new renewable energy projects like this, which is pretty cool. And hopefully they expand this a little bit more. Obviously, you need to be in an area that does geothermal stuff. So Nevada is a good spot to kind of pilot it in.

Yeah, if you're in Kearney, I suggest wind. I suggest lots of wind stuff because it's windy all the time. Yeah, if you're in Carnie, I suggest wind. Yeah. I suggest lots of wind stuff, because it's windy all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, probably last little story before trivia in the ad break. This kind of just dropped through yesterday, but Apple Card is dropping Goldman Sachs. So, I've had this Apple Card,

and I knew it was Goldman Sachs, but I also am aware of Goldman Sachs' terrible reputation, because as soon as this news dropped, everyone was like, thank God. It's about time. So now there's all these rumors about who they might switch to or what they might do next,

but also Apple, who said this in the Slack? Apple has enough cash on hand to just be a bank? They could, and they have this thing called Apple Financial Services that they use for the, I think the high yield savings accounts or something like that. Where you can buy things interest-free? Is that?

Or is that a different company? I think that's a different company. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. B&H has that. Or not interest-free. But B&H has a thing that they use Synchrony for, which is actually one of the companies that they are potentially fielding to be the Apple Car Backer.

We're on B&H, which is a camera store in new york city giant camera store in new york city if you use that credit card the benefit is that you don't have to pay sales tax they cover the sales tax which is pretty nice because bnh used to not charge sales tax and then the laws changed and they had to so then they figured out a way to get around it anyway goldman sachs for people that are not aware traditionally was a bank that only uh lent money to extremely rich people who are going to like either start new wings of their corporation or buy a mega yacht or something like that and so them getting into the like consumer banking business was already pretty weird and clearly they are not doing it well i personally think because the apple card as a card is not a good general credit card it's not that great it's

only one percent cash back on everything and then you get i think three percent on apple products and on apple pay when you use apple pay right wait through anything when i tap to pay it's two percent everywhere oh two percent There's just a lot of more general, like, Visa cards that give you better cash back in most categories. Yeah, so Goldman Sachs says that it's lost $3 billion from the Apple Card deal

since 2020, which is pretty wild. They're trying to pull out of the consumer banking market altogether at this point. Whoops. Yeah. Another whoops moment, yeah. So there have been rumors that they're trying to pull out of the consumer banking market altogether at this point. Whoops. Yeah. Another whoops moment. So there've been, uh, rumors that they're fielding American express or possibly synchrony bank to be the new backer.

The next victim. Yeah. The next victim. Cause obviously I don't think Apple is going to kill the product. Like I don't think Apple very rarely kills products and killing a credit card would be a big blow for them. So I can't really see that happening interesting yeah if this was google oh yeah it would have been gone this already happened

yeah remember the google wallet physical card oh yeah yeah this literally oh this literally well it wasn't a credit card it was a debit card basically how fast did that get nuked within like a year or two maybe two years i remember I was so depressed when it got nuked. I was like, I use this all the time. 2016. The original Google Wallet. Now, not the rebranded, rebranded, now again, Google Wallet.

Wow, that did happen. Yeah. Okay. It's been a long few years. Yeah. So. Well, that's a good break to take. We have a lot to talk about with this Cybertruck.

Yes. So let's take a quick break before that. Okay. And of course, that means we should do trivia. Trivia. All right. Because we're talking about geothermal energy and everything like that. This is going to be more science-based.

Oh, nice. Mung beans? Some mung bean questions. Not about mung beans. The top bean questions uh not about mung beans the top layer of our planet is called the crust and it only goes 25 miles deep that's where all the hot rocks are that's where the spoon album i did know that everything i'm on board so far i know this thing the other layers are called the mantle yep and the what ah i know do you know this yeah wow do you take geo whatever in college or high school geology yes

i thought it was like geophysics or geoastro no this is pre this is pre-geology where they were just like, here's what the Earth looks like. Pre-geology. This is before the Earth existed. No, this was like fifth grade or whatever. Ancient aliens. This would be on Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader. You had geology class in fifth grade?

No, because they told us this before we learned the rest of geology. Oh, just about the Earth and the crust. They were like, by the way, we have a crust and a mantle. A mantle. End it. Beep. Wow. The mantle is usually

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Accessories sold separately. All right, welcome back. We are joined at the big table by Ellis. I made it. The reason we're doing this is because we got back earlier today from shooting a video with the Tesla Cybertruck. This is officially the week of the first deliveries. There's going to be sometime right before this recording drops, the first delivery event where there's rumored to be,

I don't know, 10 or 15 Cybertrucks being delivered. But the point is they're going to be out on the streets. The official delivery specs and new information about what you're actually going to buy instead of just a prototype truck is revealed and so now we get to react to that stuff and i'm also one of three people outside of tesla to have driven the cyber truck and wow do i have some thoughts on driving the thing so ellis you're with me for a lot of that recording david you have thoughts probably questions about it you

have not seen the cyber truck i have many questions I I just want to background it with this yeah going into it I'm sure a lot of us are skeptical not sure if it was real not sure how close it would be to the actual concept truck now that I've actually seen it driven it used it I have several really big praises of it and also several really big negatives. Okay. So there are, there are definitely big positives, big negatives. I think let's just start with the numbers because it's the things that everyone wanted to know about.

Uh, as it got revealed, all of the numbers on paper, except zero to 60 are worse than they promised. Oof. And this is the first time that's true about a Tesla. Yikes. I feel like they always are usually able to deliver what they promised just

really late this time, straight up. All the numbers are worse. So those numbers are, there are three trims, a single motor rear wheel drive, a dual motor all wheel drive, and a triple motor powertrain. The triple motor being the highest end one that we tested. It's dual motors in the back with torque vectoring and a single permanent magnet motor up front. Can you explain torque vectoring for people who don't know don't know cars like yeah it's essentially just you're able to independently control the rear wheels so if you go around a turn you can independently slow down the inside wheel with one motor while you accelerate the other outside wheel with the other motor it's like what the f1 cars did right exactly you know when you're

on the bart and you go around a corner and you hear that terrible screeching noise? Yeah. That's because the BART trains barely have differentials and torque vectoring is not happening. Okay. It's tough.

Got it. So here's the numbers on the truck. They originally promised 500 miles of range on the highest end truck. Yeah. The highest end truck has 340 miles of range. Oof. They originally promised... When you say highest end, do you mean miles of range oof they originally promised when you

say highest end do you mean like most range most efficient most range okay yeah they originally promised um 340 from 500 yeah they promised 14 000 pounds of towing capacity it has 11 000 pounds of towing capacity yucky uh they promised a 2.9 second zero to 60 it is a 2.7 second zero to 60 so it's actually faster interesting they promised 69 900 for the triple motor it is a hundred thousand dollars yeah so that's the highest end cyber truck triple motor hundred thousand dollars 340 miles of range and that will ship alongside the dual motor as the first ones out the factory and the single motor rear wheel drive will be later. The dual motor, we're thinking,

again, this is pre-event, but it's probably around 75 to 85 grand. So that's on paper. The truck itself is also about 5% smaller in every dimension than the original truck. Huh. We went up with an F-150 Lightning to go shoot this, and it is a little bit smaller than the F-150 Lightning.

Really? Yeah, the original truck was about the same size. Interesting. That being said, it's still the same 6-foot bed size as an F-150. It just has a much smaller front trunk. Very small, shallow front trunk. So I can't lie in it with Brandon this time? You can't lie down in it.

The Rivian has a bigger front trunk. The F-150 has a bigger front trunk. Even the small GMC Hummer EV has a bigger front trunk. A little tiny Hummer EV. Yeah, but you could fit two carry-on bags. The Hummer EV is still bigger than all of these cars, right? The Hummer EV is gigantic. It's huge, yeah. It has a 200

something kilowatt hour battery. Okay. And weighs 9,000 pounds. The Hummer EV. The Hummer EV. Okay. The Cybertruck has every one of them will have a 123 kilowatt hour battery and will weigh about 6,800 pounds. So it's lighter than the Rivian. Oh. How much does a Rivian weigh?

About 7,500 pounds. Okay. You just know all this off the top of your head yeah yeah sorry a lot of numbers just but like this is the first time we're learning yeah but this is the specs this is the first time we actually get the specs yeah so again some positive and negative in there i have a question sure so you said the max price was a hundred thousand that's the roughly starting price of the triple motor how much is the cheapest cheap cheap one? We don't know yet. TBD.

Okay. Interesting. We'd be guessing, but I don't think it's going to be anywhere near the originally promised 39, 900. Yeah. Do you think they'll reveal it at the event? I don't think so. I think they're going to start with the dual and triple, and I think we'll find out months from now.

To be fair to Tesla, Rivian did the same thing, inject the price by a lot. Exactly. Okay. And there's been a bunch of talk about this how like when this truck was first announced years ago it launched into a very different world than we live in now which is like some inflation some new war is like some totally different circumstances so yeah it's a different time to be building this thing yeah but at least the product is done now and we can actually analyze the product itself. So, Ellis, you've seen it in person. Yeah.

What were your reactions to riding in it, seeing it, observing its reality? Ah! I know. Okay, first I want to say, I know I've been clowning on this thing, on this very show, for months. I have been ridiculing the Cybertruck relentlessly.

It's awesome. It's so awesome. Which I totally recognize that if the roads were exclusively full of Cybertrucks, the world would be objectively a worse and scarier and more dangerous place. Mr. Let's all ride bikes. Very, yeah. But the 11-year-old boy in me thinks this thing totally kicks ass. It's so cool.

The, the photos, you don't do it justice. That's the thing for me. When you see it in person, it's really striking and it's really beautiful and it's reflective in the perfect way. And does it feel,

does it actually feel well constructed and built and doesn't feel like they just slapped a bunch of panels together that made it like no no it feels dirty like dirty build wait you think it feels like a dirty build yeah oh i was gonna say the opposite interesting let's hear so there's two parts of this yeah one just like the prototype truck obviously is gonna feel like a prototype but the finished truck i think is a mix of like you weren't in a finished truck we were in a finished truck so i guess so i took i rode the the original prototype like four years ago for sure and that thing i it was at night i couldn't even tell like

what was made of what it was just a quick glancing blow with the cyber truck seeing this final one it's like okay now everything is well formed and even panel gaps are pretty even. But this was the hand-selected truck to give to us to shoot on camera. Right. And even this truck had a couple slightly oddly shaped gaps. And the difference between the gaps on the truck we were testing versus the gaps on the 10 other trucks that I observed. Yeah. on the truck we were testing versus the gaps on the 10 other trucks that I observed yeah which to be fair you saw the final trucks but I saw lots of other cyber trucks and had lots of other

differences and build yeah so that's something I observed and the other thing is I just like pulled up on the the dashboard and like was just pulling on things and just feeling general materials it's it's not great it's like a Tesla that's's fine it's fine it's not amazing it's not horrible but it's it's a tesla a piece fell off before we even started testing it like we arrived at the location we were going to shoot at and vin was like oh my god this thing is like dangling off what was it you know like put it back it's just like a plastic plastic piece yeah yeah wow so yeah it is what it is lots of other interesting things about it, though. Yeah, let's go. So, okay, first of all, it's an 800-volt system,

which is good news for future-proofing. That means all the V4 superchargers that Tesla's building with the longer cable, it will charge even faster at those, probably over 1,000 miles an hour, which is awesome. V3 charges at about 1,000 miles an hour for the Model 3, which is a 400-volt system. This new 800-volt system will likely be even faster when you charge on V4s,

but it's also backwards compatible with V3s because it cleverly talks to the V3 charger, virtually splits it, actually physically splits it into two smaller battery packs, and charges them each at the fast rate. It's like the Oppo battery system. Yeah, so I thought that was really clever that's cool that's cool so it's a charge a lot faster than it'll charge a lot faster it

will also have uh much less wire mass uh generally should be better at dissipation of heat exactly yeah they they uh was west the head engineer of the type of yeah so we were like you know the head engineer of the cyber truck product was there and he was explaining to us that a lot of the low voltage wires they actually stepped up to 48 volts so they could step down the wattage and have a much thinner wire without having to worry about it burning out he said and this is a very tesla engineer thing to say he was like we were approaching the limits of how thin a wire could physically be it seems like a bad idea okay you know it's like that seems really like break really easily no there's there's strong there's strong wires it's just typically to push

that much current through a wire you need a thicker wire and they're able to use thin wires yeah okay cool okay neat cool. That much wattage. Because they dropped the current. Sorry. Yes. Wattage. Yeah. Physics.

You like me, Ohm's Law electrical engineering students? Sorry. I'm an amateur. This one's for you. I was just looking up the equation. Yeah. Resistance. All that fun stuff.

Okay. Here's my favorite thing about the truck. Okay. The number one most unique, most amazing thing about the Cybertruck is not the way it looks. It's the way it drives. Yep. It's crazy. Yep.

It's a crazy drive. Why? So first of all, it is a ridiculously powerful truck, right? Triple motors. We're looking at 850-ish horsepower. Okay. It's off the line. It'll smoke.

Name any sports car, it's going to beat it off the line in a straight line that's just like the party trick that tesla's good at they've been good at that for a while they know that'll sell people the tug of war with an f-150 i'm sure it'll crush like great i'm used to that that's fine this is also tesla's first steer by wire system and they've combined it with this like squircle it It's not a yoke anymore. It's like a full round steering wheel, but like flattened. So like a rectangle. Oh. But the amount of turn required by the wheel to turn the truck is tiny.

And there is up to 10 degrees of rear axle steering. And you can see it just looking at the rear wheel. When you turn it it the entire thing snaps and in at low speeds it like carves in a much smaller wheelbase it's a tight turning radius and at high speeds it actually changes wheels in the same direction so you kind of glide from left to right and the entire turn like you know how when you go to make like a k turn you kind of do hand over hand and flip the wheel over a few times if you uh if you need to turn around on a two-lane road oh yeah and it's too narrow okay like pull over yeah back right

back up to the left and then go back up yeah cyber trucks full lock turn is 170 degrees meaning you never have to go hand over hand the entire turn is just this and you're it's so is it's terrible like audio because you have to see it to understand what i'm saying but long story short it's the most nimble truck i've ever driven because you can really turn in ways that you feel like you're just pivoting around the middle of the truck it's almost like you're using a joystick because a like full max rotation of the wheels literally is a a single hand over hand turn on the wheel like like in theory you could get all possible turning motions without ever removing your hands from 11 and 4 yeah or you know the numbers that you're supposed to touch on the wheel 9 and 2 ten and two eleven and four would be nuts that'd be a crazy way to

drive that's how i drive so it is it is a super super nimble feeling truck okay much more so than the rivian than the f-150 and it just yeah it just makes it much more usable in small spaces yeah which is important for a truck that large it's's important. And it is a big truck, but it feels like I can place it more easily at low speeds, especially, than even the smaller Rivian. Can I ask a question? Yeah. Were you around other cars when you were driving this? Yep. Or were you in an empty lot?

A bunch of other cars. Oh, okay. Interesting. I was going to say, do you think it's because you didn't have another car to compare it to? No, the opposite. Because we pulled up in an F-150150 lightning which is a truck we all love like we all think is like an objectively great truck and then after we dropped the cyber truck back off we got back in that ford and all of us were like it's so loose it's so bodey it's so slow we were saying

an f-150 lightning felt slow it was like it was do so for a lot of the driving i was in the back seat with all the audio gear and marquez was in the front seat driving and monitoring all the stuff that truck feels unbelievably stiff and not in like a suspension sort of stiff like if marquez hit a corner it felt like i was back in the nevera it was psychotically stiff interesting and and you know to sort of see what it would do marquez would rock the wheel which because of the steer by wire means the car is doing steep turns and you would just feel the the structural integrity of it from the back seat it was wild there's a few things i feel like we should bring up there's a general ethos from this car that i sort of received from talking to engineers and reading about it and going over this feature list where it's it's an unbelievably safe car

for the driver yeah it's not it's not entirely clear you, how safe it is for other people on the road, exactly. I mean, it's very large. To the point where someone at the factory was sort of like, yeah, you know, the model we showed five years ago or whatever didn't have side windows. The government, like, made us put, or not windows, didn't have side mirrors. The government made us put side mirrors on it. But you can take them off if you want. Oh. What?

They just have to ship them stock with it. Yeah. And it was like. Legally. And they were like, but if you take them off, you should put like truck mirrors, like blind spot checkers on them. But also if you take them off, you know, it's like. Can you get pulled over for that?

No. No. So the rule is that cars must ship with the side mirrors. The rule is not that you must drive the side mirrors the rule is not that you must drive with side mirrors yeah what a loophole and so when you put your blinker on the camera feed from the fender shows you what you would have seen if you looked at your mirror and so and that already shows up on test yeah like people are used to checking the screen right and so if you just remove the mirrors from the truck no i, I should say, reasonably, you could safely pilot this car with no mirrors.

I'm pretty sure. But it was just weird to have someone at Tesla be like, yeah, you could take off the mirrors. And if you hit something, that's on you. It just feels weird to look to the right at my screen to merge left. That's true. I could do that. And maybe people would get used to it and i have heard good things about like camera feeds instead of mirrors like uh the pull star 4 that we were

talking about last week or the week before having no rear view window we got to talk about that too the truck that we drove had no rear rear view mirror oh the cyber truck doesn't either so it does the cyber truck that we drove didn't have one it will actually have one when you buy it but when you you've seen the truck right when you close the tonneau cover yeah you completely shut off that rear view but okay and so if you check that mirror you will not see you. So there is a new reverse camera at the back of the truck that is constantly displayed so that you can see behind you. Interesting. So this is one of those I described as a muscle memory remap, which happens with Teslas all the time.

Like in Model 3, people now, instead of checking right behind the steering wheel for your speed, have had to remap their glance to the top of the other screen. have had to remap their glance to like the top of the other screen. With the plaid, the yoke, the buttons on the yoke, like the horn and the blinkers are on the yoke now. I've had to remap that for myself. With the Cybertruck, there's another one, which is you will not check the mirror nearly as often if your tonneau clevers close. You can't see anything.

You have to check the screen, which again is just a little lower, but that's where your rear view is on the cyber truck but they're not doing like a digital rear view mirror like a lot of cars they're not okay interesting i kind of was hoping that they would that would be cool yeah like that i i you know my a lot of my thoughts about the cyber truck can sort of be summed up and like it's not and maybe you feel differently marquez but it's not innovative which sounds weird right because they are like pushing a lot of boundaries to do well yeah well it feels like they decided all of these boundaries and rules that they wanted to break because they thought it would be like fun and cool and then they had to

endlessly over engineer every single part of that truck to still make it work with those like initial ideas in mind but it's not like it's not the next step in trucks it's not the next step in in anything it's just a really weird truck with a lot of really cool engineering to make to allow it to be weird it's still cover the bases it's the same thing as like the steve jobs like i need it to do this and the engineers go that's not physically possible and he goes make it happen and then they figure out ways to make it happen in ways that aren't really the original vision but they're still... Yeah. I actually have a feature that speaks directly to what you're saying.

So I agree, the truck isn't innovative in that it isn't actually capable of anything that there are other cars on the road couldn't do. It has autopilot the same way other Teslas have autopilot. It can carry the same amount of stuff. It has the same size bed, etc. There are other EV trucks that already exist. But I think what they realize is with this first generation of EV trucks, since none of them are technically capable of new things other than maybe a front trunk, you have to differentiate yourself. And so that's Tesla's whole thing. They're like, look at how every other truck looks the same now look at how ours

looks yeah and so they are sort of engineering their way into a new form factor in that way there is one crazy feature okay instead of enabling with a giant 240 kilowatt hour battery some massive range and an ability to tow more or longer than every other EV truck. Instead, it's 123 kilowatt hour battery. It's roughly the same, but there is an optional battery extender that you can buy and equip the truck with, and it will fit neatly in the trunk of the Cybertruck and add 120 miles of range,

but it also adds all of the weight of more battery. So basically Tesla's thought process is in this day in EVs, 300 miles is a good number. And we're going to try to hit that because if we do actually try to hit 500 miles, it adds too much weight to the truck and it compromises too many other things with this truck. You become a 9,000 pound Hummer truck. So we're going to have amer truck so we're going to have a normal weight and we're going to have a normal 300 mile range but if you are going to tow or do some hauling or road tripping and you do want to sacrifice the weight just to have that ability to do it we'll sell you a huge battery pack that you put in the trunk so the the battery gives you more

range than it takes away for it being heavy exactly how much does that cost do you know i don't know if i got a price for that that's a good question and is that hard to take in and out probably okay yeah i feel like that's super heavy probably a couple thousand and does it charge in like synchrony with the car when you're charging the car i believe i suspect based on what they told me it'll act like just an extension of the car's battery pack interesting is there what they told me it'll act like just an extension of the car's battery pack interesting is there a 240 outlet in the front in the trunk in the bed in the bed in the bed yes so and that's actually a good feature as well reverse charging reverse charging yeah to charge your home whatever you want or or another vehicle oh are they releasing a cable too

just like lucid i don't even think you need a special cable it had a straight up 240 volt plug in the trunk that can do nine and a half kilowatts out so if you just have like the cable that you get with any ev that has a 240 volt yeah pop that thing in the cyber truck trunk and it will literally charge whatever car okay that's cool we're making a short on that i think so i think it's pretty sick and then no they also said that the actual charge port itself would eventually be yeah in and out as well that you'll need a special box for like maybe power your home or power something okay so like the f-150 lightning sort of exactly cool sounds pretty cool that is crazy we need to see what it's like on the road though yeah we're not on the road we need to see what

it's like in mass you didn't drive these on any roads? No, no, we did. I more meant like, it's like Marques said, we had one that was earmarked for us and we all liked it. You know what I mean? I'm sure the first 10 that they deliver are also going to be as perfect as possible.

And then when there's 10,000 on the road and like all cars, they start getting into accidents and like in all cars, there's going to eventually on the road and like all cars, they start getting into accidents. And like in all cars, there's going to eventually be a recall on one of the parts. And we're going to have to see if it's outlandish character is able to make it a comfortable thing that someone can own. So an extremely common thing that you have to do in New York City and specifically Brooklyn is that people, the lanes are not that wide and people all the time double park and you have to sort of like squeeze between them

because they're just double parked for a long period of time. That's not going to happen with this. You literally will not be able to do that. Not any different than any other truck out, full-size truck out. How wide? Is it as wide as the Rivian?

It's as wide as the F-150. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, so maybe you could. It's as wide as the most popular vehicle in the United States. I don't know. There's a Rivian in my neighborhood, and it was just parked the other day because someone was double parked and it couldn't get around it.

Yeah. Oh, really? This is not to say that you should buy a pickup truck in New York City. Probably shouldn't do that. Yeah. Do not. People don't do that. But dimensions-wise and practicality-wise, it does look insane, but physically, it's

basically the same size as the most popular truck you can buy. I'm excited for us to get our review. How much does it weigh again? It weighs just under 7,000 pounds. Just under 7,000 pounds. Is it stainless steel? So, that's a good question. It's technically an alloy.

It's a little bit more formable of an alloy than just pure stainless steel. But its finish looks just like a refrigerator. And an interesting note about the hat is the soap just match the lg refrigerator so number one cleaning materials are apparently slightly different you just use like window cleaner instead of like are they selling a polishing cloth he said any microfiber yeah okay so there won't be like a tesla apple collab polishing cloth probably not not collab but there probably will be a tough yeah there probably will be that but the other weird thing about it is i don't know if you remember the uh the concept truck it didn't have side view mirrors this new truck has side view mirrors

it didn't have a windshield wiper now this truck has a giant oh wiper that's okay but finish your but yes i have another the the concept didn't have door handles and neither did the truck. Whoa. So instead, there are small rectangular buttons. Actually, it's a pretty big button, but it's a button on the A pillar and the B pillar. And you press that button. What are the A and B pillars? Between the front seat and the back seat, it's got that pillar. Oh, okay.

Like a structural thing. Yeah. You press the button and it pops out the door by like two inches and then you grab the door and pull the rest of the way open this is all the doors on the truck and my first question was like what if it's iced over and they immediately were like yeah we tested that there's one in alaska right now and it'll push through an inch of ice whoa that's what they told me dang i don't know if it will but hey we're out here in

the northeast we will probably be able to we have another short yeah yeah they did demonstrate that the the i forget if it was like um a solenoid or a motor or whatever creates the force that opens the door opens the door with enough force that you cannot physically hold it shut against the opening. Yeah, it'll break the ice. It's pretty cool. If it's going to break an inch of ice, it's going to break your arms. That's crazy. Well, hopefully no one's holding it shut

while unlocking it. And it doesn't fly open. Yeah, it presents itself. Will it not open if it's up against a wall or another car or something? Will it recognize that there's something there? It's only like two inches, so it probably won't. You won't be able to park that close to something.

Okay. Yeah. Challenge accepted. But the windshield wiper. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So this is an extremely widely debated thing.

The Verge has been going hard on this for months. I have all of the answers. About whether or not is it one giant windshield wiper or is it multiple windshield wipers. Neelya has been tweeting about it for months. Yeah. They've been doing hard reporting on the windshield wiper or is it multiple windshield wipers? And Eli's been tweeting about it for months. Yeah, they've been doing hard reporting on the windshield wiper. Eli, this is for you. This is, as long as you can acknowledge

we're the flagship podcast of Cybertruck reporting. Yeah. The Vox Media Cybertruck Network. Flagship Vox Media Cybertruck Podcast. So to answer that question, it's one windshield wiper and it's one windshield wiper and it's one windshield. The world's largest piece, single piece of automotive glass.

That was what they said. It's the biggest windshield I've ever seen. One windshield wiper? One huge windshield wiper. Dude. It is. Okay. Okay.

How does it work? Okay. Yes. Yes. Poorly. So it is stored up against the side of the truck, not flat. You know how most are stored like flat, like right under your hood? Wait, so it wipes down?

So it's up on the side, and yes, it wipes down, right? It's probably five feet long. It's huge. But, okay, it's a big windshield wiper. All right. It totally, because the windshield goes over your head and the windshield is the entire windscreen, it actually totally covers the driver

and actually covers probably 75% of what the passenger seat. That's what I was going to ask. That's a little generous. Yeah. I feel like if you're sitting in a passenger seat, you're not going to get much clean. If it's going quick enough, it's probably okay. So it reaches the full other side of the windshield,

but it doesn't go full coverage, obviously, because physics. Yeah. But it's a huge windshield wiper, right? A couple things about that. One, you're going to need a hell of a motor to push this thing. I went to max speed, and I have a video of it, and it's just a huge windshield wiper moving. How fast does it go?

Dude, it moves like a regular windshield wiper. Really? It's crazy. No way. That's crazy. How is it pulling that that quickly? It's got to be be a crazy motor and the other thing is the hub is like exposed it's not like under the hood so if this thing ices over this thing is going to just be so how tons of snow off your windshield spray the windshield cleaner okay excellent excellent

question it's crazy question this giant windshield wiper is also hollow enough on the inside that no way there is a pump underneath it that when you first press the button to like spray your windshield it takes a beat to pump the entire thing full of windshield wiper cleaner and then it sends the windshield down and then there's like 10 holes on the wiper blade that all spray as it goes back to the top. Wow. I'll show you the video. I'll show you the video right now. I got it on my phone. The first

upward stroke is dry. It sprays. Because it's still pumping it full of windshield wiper fluid. Dude, this is what I mean when I say it's not an innovative truck. There's a lot of new things in this truck, but they're workarounds for this stupid stupid shape that if it flies up that quickly it probably doesn't even need to pump any liquid because the like motion will just send the liquid up yes but you know i wasn't there so when we pulled up to the parking lot i'm just going to talk while

they're yeah marquez is showing david the video of the windshield wiper yeah you dude it's so funny it looks like a samurai like it's like a katana it does it really does okay wait what are you saying it uh so we pull up to the the gigafactory and we're in this lot where there's like seven or eight cyber trucks okay that is also where we were able to look around and see that the panel gaps on these different trucks were like not exactly the same um but a lot of these trucks were just covered in dirt like serious serious off-roading had been out of that too done in them and in all the ones that had dirty windshields you could see where the wiper had been wiping was it a clean windshield not the cleanest again i i didn't i that dirt could have made it there after the last wipe

they could have dirtied it to make them look cooler for us there's like an endless number of explanations for what actually happened but on the ones that did have a clean windshield where you could tell the wiper actually did work the you were right the passenger side is still just caked yeah wow 60 yeah we have one really cool shot from the video um where uh we were doing it without a uh nd filter without a polarizer outside and you can we're driving on this narrow uh road through these woods and you can see we're driving on this narrow road through these woods and you can see the reflections of the trees and the clouds and the sky on that big glass panel and even the stainless steel is reflective and you can see it and it's you're just like oh this is cool what's gonna happen when the sun is shining directly at the car oh it shines right in your eyes it

hooks you yeah the reflections off this truck are nutty. Yeah. It's because it's flat, too. No! Like, a lot of cars are, like, curved, so you'll only get, like, a glance of the sun. You get specular diffusion. On this one, if you stand in the wrong place, you're just going to get blasted with the reflection until you move. Yeah.

Do you think it's going to blind drivers, like, driving by them and stuff? There are going to be angles where, yeah, it and that's what i mean when i say we need to see what happens when these things are actually being delivered because in isolation when it's just one truck statistically it probably will never come up as a problem but when there's someone's retinas 10 000 on the road we might get a little uh yeah yeah it's like a million pre-orders if they all go through yeah well the price is way higher very different price later that yeah and it was originally slated at. And it's also three years later. Are you keeping yours, Marcus?

Now that you've driven it? Now that I've driven it, now that I've seen it, had it for a day, I will say that, yes, there are some downsides, but I think the crazy advantages that it has, the crazy nimble steering radius and the the way it drives was enough for me to keep my pre-order and like wait till i have one and fully evaluate it and then decide between keeping that or the rivian i'm still not sure which one it's going to be they each have their advantages but i'm i'm much more curious now about working with the Cybertruck because it has a tow hitch.

It has the six foot bed, which is bigger than the Rivian bed. It's got the power outlets in the trunk. It's got the, you know, dampened opening. I stood on top of the tonneau cover. It's fine. Like it has a motorized tonneau cover. The tonneau cover is the back cover that goes over the bed. Over the bed.

Yeah. You can open it or close it any amount you want. You can stand on it. You can, you know, trust that things inside are secure uh the back seats all fold up oh and so there's a whole bunch of room on the floor that you can like oh put things tripods is it two or three row it's two rows two row uh two full-size rows so comfy back seats yeah comfortable heated back seats um yeah. Like a lot of good things going for it. So they're comparable in a lot of ways. Okay.

Is the screen on the inside, is it lengthwise longer or is it taller? It is the biggest truck Tesla's ever made and it's also the biggest screen they've ever put in a truck. Really? It's 18 inches. Whoa! So it's the same aspect ratio as normal, just bigger. Dang. Yeah.

Big screen. It's got a nine inch screen in the back. Also the biggest they've ever put in the back can you also play cyberpunk on it i haven't does it have the same gpu structure as the um that i'm not sure about plaid what is the 5g modem in the car it didn't get that far it will not go through the metal ours was in like a dark mode by default too and i i't know Tesla's had a dark mode. Usually that's based on time of day. But for us it was dark all day. Was there a light mode?

No, I'm pretty sure when we were shooting during the day it was. You might be able to pick. Yeah, it was dark the whole time. Yeah. I don't know if there was a light mode in the software. I'm not sure either. Interesting. Okay. It looks exactly like your car's UI just like change all of the fonts to look cyber and change all of the curves to be squares. Is it like a bad Android skin?

It's actually pretty good. Really? It's pretty tasteful. They didn't go too crazy. Other than the whole beast mode thing. What's the beast mode? Yeah, tell us about the beast mode. The triple motor cyber truck, they're sort of informally calling the beast.

Okay. Sorry, Polestar. Yeah. Polestar BST also stands for beast. I don't know if we knew that, but. I did not. I also knew when I was nine and I was running really fast. Yeah.

There are three drive modes in the beast. Comfort. Comfort beast. I think it's comfort, and beast yeah i think so yeah instead of sport it might be performance something like that and then the highest end is called beast yeah okay and is that just like the most acceleration the most torque the most okay did you drive it in that mode i did drive it in that mode it blew my face off man dude it's fast it's like getting kicked it's very fast but it's not as fast as the

the the Plaid Plaid nothing is as fast that's one point no yeah okay but it is the fastest

isn't the Nivera faster than the Plaid yes okay so that the Nivera is the fastest production car ever made yeah quickest sorry

great quickest quickest zero to 60 zero to 100 zero to 200 the Plaid is the fastest one mere mortals can buy right

and this is the fastest pickup mere mortals can buy. And this is the fastest pickup truck any factory has ever made. Okay. Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know the top speed, but if it does an 11 second quarter mile, it's probably pretty fast.

I think it's pretty fast. At the risk of sounding like a shill, this sounds pretty dope. If they nailed everything. You're allowed to like some parts of it. You guys are talking about. My number one concern with it and at the same time

kind of one of its advantages is visibility because there's nuance to visibility you can see everything there's a huge glass canopy in front of you over your head like behind you the triangle window up at the front pillar like

you can see all around you amazingly well no blind spots other than right in front of you you cannot see what's right in front of you there's a new front-facing camera oh and you can pull it up in the software at any time and there's still no 360 view in tesla's which i don't know how they haven't done this yet they have the cameras for it so get to it, Tesla. People get blown away by that feature. Stitch them together. It can't be that hard.

Everyone else does it. But you can't see what's right in front of the nose of the truck. You just can't. That's bad. It's just the distance between you and the front of the windshield. You can put like a pizza box in the front of this car. Not exaggerating. Picture a pizza box. the front of this car. Not exaggerating. Like picture a pizza box.

Yeah. Picture it, putting it behind your steering wheel. Like opened up? Yeah. What? Like a pizza, like open it up.

No, open it up like the angle of a Cybertruck windshield. Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So you, you're a long way from the front of the windshield and then at the front of the windshield, there's a little front trunk

and then a shelf. I cannot tell you if there's a child standing in front of the side of the truck or not. I was going to say, this is not going to help their running over kids thing. I cannot tell what's in front of it. Unless I have the camera feed open. It doesn't auto-open the camera feed if there is something in front of you? No. If you reverse, yes.

And there's a button always to pull up the camera feed, but if I don't have the camera feed open, I can't tell. I feel like they should have sensors in the front that say if something's really close to you. I'm sure if it becomes an issue, they can push a firmware update or something that would do that. They should do that preemptively. Yeah, just like they always have the review camera. They should probably, at low speeds, have the front camera on. Yeah.

That would be smart. It definitely is. That was one of the first things you said when you got behind the wheel. You were like, where are the edges of this truck? And they were giving you these tricks like, oh, use like the corner of the windshield. And then I actually, I went out and I was like, Marques, this is where the edge of the truck is. Like I held my arm up like a little flag.

Yeah. And it still was like not. Especially the corners. Yeah. Which are sharp. Yeah. Which are really sharp. Can they cut you? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Which are sharp. Yeah, which are really sharp. You know? Can they cut you?

Probably. Yeah, yeah. No, you could cut yourself on the corners. On the edge. Yeah. Dang. The Rivian has a similar thing with the gear tunnel, but that's only when it's open. Right.

Like when you open the gear tunnel, there's like a sharp corner. People have cut themselves on that all the time. We put Tim through there. Yeah, so when you, the door. The door of the gear tunnel. Yeah. It's like shaped like this and then that right angle piece.

It's sharp. You can just hit your knee on it and cut yourself. Dang. Anyway, we've talked a lot about the truck. I think... What else about it that you're stoked on or hate? I hate that it just feels like and I'm using the word vehicle here figuratively, not literally, but

I just hate that it feels like a vehicle for people to be their most dangerous, least thoughtful selves. That's what pickups are, Ellis. Look, you said it, not me. So everyone can go after him. But yeah, that's my big thing is it really feels like it's so cool. The 11-year-old in me is so stoked. It sounds awesome. It sounds awesome. It feels awesome.

And is it good for all of us? No, it's not. Did they say anything about when they're going to start making more mass deliveries of it? No, that'll be a surprise to all of us. I think what they're going to start projecting at this event, I'm guessing, is here are our first deliveries. Yeah. It is whatever, 10 to 20 of these things. And we are about to go through a production ramp to try to get as many of these out the door as possible.

But that probably means 10 this week, 15 next week, 40 the next week. Wow. It's going to be a slow ramp. Yeah, right. Adam, I think we're winning this bet. I was just going to say, I want to note, we are recording this on Wednesday, the day before the event. And it was 20. 25.

25 was the bet. 25 was the bet. So the listener knows who won. 25 to non-employees. By the end of the year. Yeah. So there's all of December to deliver 25. That's one a day.

That's true. That's one a day. Okay, so we'll update. They're doing 10 on Thursday. Don't count me out. I got 30 days. They can do it. You've tried 30 ways.

But one day, there will be a lot of these cars on the road. Yeah. Dang. I did appreciate, and then we can wrap up cyber stuff. Cyber Monday? After you talk about your conspiracy theory.

Cyber Thursday? Oh, my conspiracy... Yeah, that's so much better. I was about to say something boring. Oh, yeah, I'm ready. Okay, I have this conspiracy theory based around... We, the Waveform Okay, I have this conspiracy theory based around... We, the Waveform podcast, we love spreading conspiracy theories.

Yeah, so everybody put on your tinfoil hats. Do we have any conspiracy music? I'm going to add it in post, don't worry. I'll play some conspiracy music. But yeah, so the late rapper DMX, R.I.P. We all love DMX on his legendary 2007 album uh it was called pick up the litter right actually i can't remember never mind don't call me sorry dmx fans i think i got that wrong they are taking care of my cat anyway we all love the song oh thanks do you want to say i totally

just talked over you that's what i'm always telling my friends when they're taking care of my cats. Pick up the litter. Nope. Pick of the litter. Guys, this is going to sound far left. Somebody told legendary New York rapper DMX, we all love him, on his song, X Gon' Give It To You. Which many people know. Many people know. Famously in many, many movies and also in Rick and Morty, which was how I learned about it in college. I didn't know it was in Rick and Morty. You learned about it from Rick and Morty.

I did. Okay. Anyway, continue. My conspiracy theory. I think the song X Gon' Give It To You by DMX is actually about the Cybertruck. So you're saying he knew something that we didn't know. In 2007. Yeah.

He knew like way more about this because look, X gonna give it to you. Okay, X the platform. There we go, X the platform, X the Elon, just sort of general thing. Okay, going to give you the Cybertruck. Waiting for you to get it on your own. X gonna deliver to you. Oh, making deliveries, delivery event.

Delivery event coming up. Okay. Knock, knock, open up the door. It's real. It's real. None of us thought it was real for years. All of a sudden, knock, knock, open up the door it's real it's real it's we none of us thought it was real for years all of a sudden knock knock open up the door it's real with the non-stop pop pop from stainless steel the finish jesus and of the truck and pop pop like the one that they shot with the gun

exactly pop exactly so uh yeah i just i think we should all go back and listen to dmx's x gonna give it to you and really think hard because I really do think we can't do that without getting demonetized. So I should do it. Cybertruck. Yeah. Wow. I think that he,

he had something. What was that? 2007? I thought it was 2002. 2002. Thank you. Yeah. The album I initially pulled it up on was a compilation.

21 years ago. It can finally. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to, gonna i'm gonna go through the rest of the lyrics and see if i can find handset future tesla products maybe there's some roadster references in that dns song but it's like in 2029 the roadster is looking fine if that's one of the lyrics

that's all we need to know uh okay let's take a quick break i do want to go over the spotify wrapped for this this year on waveform so we'll take a break and look at that but before that trivia ellis is trivia question two do you do you say i'm just gonna do it ellis do it tell us here from here tell us from here all right let's keep it rolling with the geology questions today. I didn't even take geology class like Marquez. Igneous. What are the other ones? What? Igneous?

I can tell you a lot about black holes, but I cannot tell you anything about... Obsidian is one of them. Obsidian is an igneous. No, obsidian is an igneous rock. It is an igneous rock, but it is not another kind of rock. It's a rock formed by the cooling of magma, David. Don't you know?

Anyway, let's continue. The most abundant element in the air we breathe is nitrogen. Number two is oxygen. What is the third most abundant element in the air we breathe? Marques is pumping the air right now. That's not geology. No, it's not. That's just chemistry.

No, it's not. It's about the atmosphere. That's geology, isn't it? Is the atmosphere part of geology? Geology is earth. Yeah, the air and the atmosphere is part of earth. Debatable.

I didn't write this question. I think solids are part of Earth. I don't want to throw you under the bus because I had an airplane brain and couldn't come up with a question this week and Adam kindly stepped in. But I'm with you. This isn't geology. Can you ask the question, like, what was David's job before this? So I can actually get some points. Unfortunately, we can't repeat questions.

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And Spotify Wrapped came out this week. A lot of people were sharing them. Did you get you? Do you use Spotify? I got mine. Yeah, yeah, I use Spotify. So I noticed a lot of people were sharing. I was like the number 100 user of Spotify in the United States.

Oh, nice. I still have the email. Fun fact. A little early adopter badge you should get. I noticed a lot of people were sharing their Spotify wrapped with like an asterisk of like, I only listened in the car. That's why it's this weird. I just thought like everyone had like some disclaimer for why they didn't like their Spotify.

I'm proud of my music. I think you should. I think you should own it is what I'm trying to say but what we did get is a Spotify wrapped as we do every year from the perspective of the uploader because we upload this podcast to Spotify which is where many of you listen

and so now I'm going to step through the best of what it's telling me about you guys. Keep in mind this is only Spotify obviously if you're like looking at me point at you right now then you're viewing this which means you're on youtube youtube should do youtube rewind rewind but like wrapped i want to know how many minutes of videos i watched i want to know which uploader i watched the most minutes from yeah i want to know whose videos i watched the most of during the year lo-fi girl i want to know what video i watched the most times did i repeat watch a video i come on i want that a lot more than what you hit everyone used to be yeah they should they

should take the opportunity to own the rewind branding and i make it something awesome i agree people would like this is a free idea youtube i'll just take 10 it's fine it's great just do it by tomorrow just do it okay okay um so in 2023 people listen to the waveform podcast on spotify scrolling in what does it want to tell me this is the first time i'm seeing this as well i listen on pocketcast just so you know oh so i'm not part of this so from the top yeah thoughts on oh our number one episode of the entire year was apple vision pro and wwdc 2023 i'm I'm shocked. This does not surprise me. It was streamed 517% more than your average episode.

Wow. So five times the usual. Dang. That's impressive. Next slide, let's hear for the new fans. Okay, some of you are new. 40% of your listeners discovered you in 2023. Wow. Wow. That makes sense. We had like an explosion of traffic a lot of new people and

thank you for that by the way yeah i think it's probably also true about the youtube stuff um five percent of our listeners started with the iphone 15 as their first phone as their first episode ever okay which is pretty cool oh wow wait how many percent five percent of five percent of all of our people. Okay, that sounds all right. On Spotify. Then it says, how does it feel to have gone global? The United States was your top country with 36% total streams,

but we were streamed in 153 countries. What? Wait, show your question. How many countries are there? There are between 190 and 200 countries-ish, depending on show your question. How many countries are there? There are between 190 and 200 countries-ish, depending on who you ask. Okay. So 153. Wow! The thing that I always

get surprised by when I look at YouTube analytics is like, many of these countries are not majority English speaking countries. So there are people who are just like listening to the podcast in countries we never would have thought of. They just love to hear our voices. It's pretty sick. So like a 75%-ish of countries listen to Waveform. That's awesome.

That's pretty awesome. Wow, that's insane. That's crazy. You want the top five list? Yeah. Can I guess? I wanted to guess too. Let's alternate guesses.

Number one. Well, number one's the US. You already said that. Correct. Number two, India. Correct. Number three, the UK. Incorrect. Is it Germany? Correct. Number three, the UK. Incorrect.

Is it Germany? Correct. Number four? The Philippines? Incorrect. Dang. Shout out to the Philippines. South Korea.

Incorrect. No. Think closer. Mexico. Even closer. Canada. Canada, correct. And then five?

The Philippines. Incor closer. Canada. Canada, correct. And then five. The Philippines. Incorrect. Dang. Go east. East. Sorry, no. It doesn't matter which way you go. Go west.

West. From the Philippines. Iceland. No, from the Philippines. Wait, where are you? No. Sorry. Okay, start at Canada.

Start at Canada. Okay. Go east. Iceland. Okay, go south. South. Start at Canada. Start at Canada. Go east. Iceland. Okay. Go south. Greenland? No. No. That's to the west. The UK. Geology. Yeah.

Nice. Top five. Okay. So that was US, India, Germany, Canada, and UK. Top five. Most popular countries. Listen to Waveform. Shout out to all of those guys and girls. Our listeners have good taste so what else are they into?

Sorry, it's giving me much more generic answers. Your listeners top podcast genres Genres? Or number one comedy, number two news, number three sports. Wait, what about technology? Not in there. What? I think we're technically news.

No way. We're comedy for sure. I mean, we're listed in all the technology charts. Does Spotify have a technology chart? Yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe it doesn't count because it's like other stuff that they listen to. Or maybe we're the only tech podcast that they need to listen to.

We're the flagship technology podcast in existence. Okay, so our listeners top music genres okay wait should we guess again it's so generic it's not even guessing yes number one pop number two rock rap number three rock okay learn nothing there thanks spotify uh your listeners definitely told their friends about you what does that mean they shared the podcast oh yeah here's how they shared the podcast 51 direct link nice 18 what's that i knew it yeah 13 text message nice wait sms or rcms definitely could be either could be either 12 other six percent instagram okay instagram other 6% Instagram. Okay. Instagram. Instagram stories and Instagram direct DMs.

Most shared episode was I Can and the Seven Keys to the Internet. What? Go, baby! Really? Yeah. That's epic. That's epic. That's sick. Wow. If you guys haven't seen I Can and the Seven Keys to the Internet, it's a banger. That's really, I mean,

not surprising, but I assumed that the Secret History of the Internet it's a banger that's really i mean not surprising but i assumed that the secret history of the internet would have been the more popular episode the i can and the seven keys of the internet that is a that one's like a more wild one yeah but that's why you share it a lot of whatsapp messages about that yeah whenever you hear whenever you hear like a crazy podcast that you weren't expecting to hear you share it yeah a few weeks ago my friend came up to me he's like dude i just like heard about this thing it's called like i can if you ever i was like you have no idea i can we've been inside literally i can cool so uh our podcast rating was a 4.9 out of 5 nice appreciate you out of 5 out of 10 just kidding my heart sunk it is out of 5 4. nine yeah that's like the pretty wait who rated us

oh anyone on spotify anyone on spotify okay i thought you meant spotify rated us and then uh it's quizzing me which episode do you think got the most audience engagement iphone 15 and usbc everything correct nothing copies mkbhd the objective top 10 phones list damn those are some bangers i'm going with a c i'm just torn between a and c yeah i'm gonna pick c ac power or dc power it's a it's a iphone 15 yeah and usbc everything makes more sense how did spotify know to pick the one that we were expecting a lot of probably the top three yeah probably probably you hit the charts in seven countries and peaked at number three that's super bad yeah you charted for 43 weeks that puts you in the top one percent

of charted podcasts that's thanks to you guys appreciate y'all we uh We did grow 22% in listenership, 61% in total streams, 19% in total followers, and 29% in minutes of created content. What does that mean? That means we had some bonus episodes. Oh, nice. More than we did last year. So time to give a shout out to our biggest fans.

Okay. We are a top 10 podcast for 91,000 of you. Thanks. And we are a top five podcast for 70,000 of those people. Dang. And we are, I'm guessing it's going to say number one for some amount of people. We are the number one podcast for 22,000 of those people. Who have been tweeting at us all day.

So love you guys. We see them. We physically see you on Twitter. They've been threading at us too. I don't know if you noticed that. A little bit. A couple threads here and there couple threads that's pretty sick so that's it

that is waveform on pot on Spotify this year we appreciate that and everyone who's been watching listening all year we still have a whole month of tech techcember so stay tuned for that yeah interesting okay

we'll see y'all on the other end of that. Also, to all the YouTube viewers out there, thank you as well. We see you. I know we don't have... I know YouTube doesn't... You see us, but... Yeah, YouTube should really do like a... We metaphorically see you.

Like a wrapped thing. I think next year YouTube will do it. That's what I said last year. I suggested this last year. Yeah, you suggested it last year and I was like, there's no way they don't do this next year. They're a small team. I mean, there's still 30 days so we'll see there's still time there's there there's still time a lot of people doing not everyone has to drop stuff right now

yeah end of the year stuff should be november i get i get scroogey about that there is the thing though that like i'll be real i don't want to see my youtube rewind i watch so much youtube but don't you want to like. Nope. Nope. But learn about yourself. Nope. Nope. Don't need to see it.

I will. It will only inspire guilt and it will remove AdSense from my favorite creator's pockets. Oh man. You don't have to pay for therapy if you just go to YouTube Rewind. Learn a lot about yourself. YouTube University. Anyway. Yeah. Trivia. Yeah. yourself youtube university anyway yeah trivia i'm hoping trivia doesn't really have to be geology yeah i'm hoping i'm right about some updates on the score marquez with 15 andrew with 12

which has not changed since he went on paternity leave david with one two carry the one 14 what was david's last job what was david's last so i need both of these to catch david no i'm behind you by one yeah oh what i have you have 15 oh david has 12 andrew's at 12 oh andrew's 12 first question but andrew's being extra screwed so i guess i can't really complain that much yeah until trivia finale extravaganza where ellis and i just cause chaos so first question the top layer of our planet is called the crust and goes 25 miles deep correct it contains all known life in the universe fun fact what yeah really do you know of more i'm not allowed to say sorry what are the three layers

they are the crust, the mantle, and the what. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? This is exactly where the session's from. I'm not. Also, there's like, I think technically like seven layers, something like that. But we're going with the basic three, so don't yell at me. Earth is a seven-layer cake. Something like that.

David, you have your thinking hat on? How you feeling? I'm so curious what you wrote. Me too. I can't wait to see what you wrote. Okay, flip them and read. What do you got? Core. Yeah. The multi-core. I just realized

that in the last 15 seconds dang it okay nice it's like a because i was thinking about like apricots you know that's a pit david well you could call it a pit yeah you could call it a core android services fair enough i was thinking of core services for sure. Before I do this next trivia question, I want to give a quick shout out. Hundreds, if not thousands of you tweeted, DMed, commented the difference between end-to-end encryption and encryption in transit. Just like I asked, one of you put it in a really, really beautiful, clear, easy-to-read way. And I'm a huge fan of beautiful, easy, clear explanations. Do you have the comment you could read?

I do. And it's from Twitter user Pranav Tiav toari just wanted to say thank you i'm not gonna you know he divided it into three tweets i'm not going to read all three but essentially is all these messaging services rcs uh android chatter i don't know what you what you people use um i message, telegram signal. There's all sort of a central... Various levels of encryption. No, I was going to say like a server. When you're messaging someone, your message is going to that server and then it's going.

So encryption in transit is where the server has a key, you have a key, you type a message, it gets encrypted, the server gets it, the server decrypts it and then re-encrypts it to send to the final person who has a separate set of keys that's shared between them and the central server. And if you want to know about encryption keys, watch our episode. Watch our most shared episode of Waveform, I can in the seven keys of the internet. Bingo, let's go. Bingo, let's go. Encryption, end-to-end encryption is where you and the final destination party have keys that correspond with one another so when it goes through

it is never decrypted by the messaging services server that's the difference i also have a correction the spoon album i was recently uh i was referencing recently is not called hot um hot rocks rocks it's called hot thoughts thats. It's called Hot Thoughts. That's so different. Maybe we can get them on a call and see if we can change it around. It's a banger of a song and an album. The most abundant element in the air we breathe is nitrogen. That's correct.

Number two, oxygen. That's correct. Number three is what? Helium. That would be funny. Iron. For my apartment, it's iron. Iron's not a gas thing.

All right. Noble gases. Flip them and read. I'm going to be laughed at right now oh we both put hydrogen we both put hydrogen is it carbon is solid

carbon is solid is it nitrogen wait that was one of them is it really helium? No. Is it... Wait, hold on. Wait, so it was nitrogen?

Think about the noble gases. Noble gases. You said noble gas. It is a noble gas. Yeah. Which means it's lighter than six protons? No, it means that it's very technical stuff for noble gases. It means that its outer shell of electrons is completely full.

You can't have more. So, sorry. It's nitrogen one. Nitrogen one. Oxygen. Oxygen two. Oxygen two. And it's not hydrogen carbon.

It's not helium. It's not... I'll give you a hint. Boron or something. No, it's not boron. I'll give you a hint. I really wanted some dried mangoes, but i can't have any because they are thrown out they're out out of date out of they oxidized they

they are gone it's argon Argon! It's Argon! Argon is a gas? Damn. Oh, that hurt. Sorry. That really hurt. Wait, it's the third most common gas that we inhale?

Wow. What does that do to your, like, body? Helps you live? Marques is double-checking. He's fact-checking you. He's like, I'm not a chemist but i have another trivia question if you want to try it no i do all right we've been talking a lot about renewable energy lately and i had the exact same answers because we're the same person with the same voice continue sorry do we really want to do another one? I was right about carbon dioxide, but it's number four.

Yeah. No, my other trivia question was so bad that Adam wrote this one so we didn't have to do it. Oh. Yeah. Wait, so you're asking the bad one now? No, I'm not going to ask the bad one. I mean, I will if you really want me to, but it's bad. What makes it bad? Is it hard?

You'll just never get it. It's fun and clever, but you'll never get it. Yeah, tell it. It's about jazz.'ll just never get it it's fun and clever but you'll never get it well yeah tell it it's about jazz oh i might get it okay okay i want to hear it anyway today we're talking a lot about renewable energy which we usually measure in watts so for today's trivia question i wanted to ask a question about jazz specifically jazz drummer Jeff Tain Watts, who loves to name his albums with puns on his own name. So which of the following is not

a real Jeff Tain Watts album? A. Watts. B. Mega Watts. C. Citizen Tain. Or D. These are all real Jeff Tane Watts albums. I hope it's D.

D. It is D. Those are all real. Wait, so Watt and Megawatt? He has an album called Watts. He has an album called Megawatt. And he has an album called Citizen Tane. He also has albums called Detained in Amsterdam. This dude is hilarious.

All right. He also has albums called Detained in Amsterdam. This dude is hilarious. All right. Well, I think, you know, last week might have been one of the most consequential insane weeks in tech in a long time. But we're finally getting the Cybertruck is actually a pretty big deal. Yeah. It feels just as chaotic.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is a good place to end it. So that's where we will. Yeah. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for learning about Argonne with me. And we'll catch you guys very soon in the next one but don't try to look for a podcast on tuesday because we are gone

because we won't have an episode it's a pun i liked it anyway way from us produced by ellis rovan and adam melina we are part of the vox media podcast have an episode. It's a pun. I liked it! Wayformer is produced by Ellis Roven and Adam Molina. We are a part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music is by Vane Sill. damn it i don't know anything about rocks dude all i know is about like pressure and turning into black holes