Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - We Love/Hate These Apps!

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

Marques is back! This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about unique electric vehicles, the new Apple products now that Marques has them and is reviewing them, and apps that we love (and hate). We wrap it all up with another round of over or underrated before getting into the trivia answers. Enjoy! Links: The Verge Toyota Tundra: https://bit.ly/3CtIn7u MKBHD M4 Mac Mini Review: https://bit.ly/4emKdo0 Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We were A-B testing and that one just won. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And this week we got a few quick hit

sort of style tech news stories. I think everyone's aware that there's a whole bunch of other things happening in the world right now. And I think all the tech companies know it too. And you know how they like hate being outshined by each other. Like one of them announces an event and then the other one's like, okay, we got to do it the day before or the day after. Well, they're all kind of playing not get upstage. So there's not a whole lot of news this week, but we still found a bunch of fun stuff to keep ourselves distracted and entertained. So, we're going to do that. We're going to jump in.

Actually, we also have a game at the end that we're going to play. Yes. Thanks to Adam. So, that should be a good time. But first, at the top of the dock here, we have a couple of vehicles. Some interesting vehicles we want to sort of jump through. Yeah. I'm going to open this one by the wildest one just tell me about this because i i see the picture that you put here but i don't know what's what's happening here all right it's

not a new vehicle it is a prototype vehicle accessory at sema which is like kind of the ces of car shows right yep like you see a lot of crazy stuff that this probably might not really it's in the same convention center but it is a five screen accessory for your toyota tundra it is a custom pickup truck accessory where in the bed of the truck it like comes up and then five tv screens come out so for the ultimate tailgating accessory in quotes is that what this is yes so it has if you're looking at it directly from the back you'd actually only see three screens because there's one directly in the bed of the truck and two that fold out to the sides of it almost like mirrors and then there's two also on the interior so if

you're tailgating with this at any angle you can watch the big game are you i don't know what else you would do the game doing this or are you nowhere near any of the games watching five of the games uh maybe you're in the parking lot and watching the pregame show or something else that's a great question i think they just did this because they had nothing else to show at sema and they were like well this is a kind of a tv show right put the tv in the all right there it is well this is how they're describing it with the push of a button a custom-built staging shell rises from the bed of the truck on four electric actuators revealing five 55 inch waterproof outdoor screens wow waterproof outdoor displays are usually really expensive as we've

seen on best buy they're like way more expensive than regular tvs by a factor of like 20 so this is not cheap actually it's probably not even it's probably not even gonna come there's probably no price again this is this is at sima this is a a booth probably where toyota's showing us off to get attention to people to talk about toyota and then that will be the last time we see this yeah also i want to say wrong i think that one of the best things about tailgating is sitting on the tailgate and you can't really do that with this this is completely filling up the back of the car so four huge jbl speakers on pointing in all four directions, even the direction

none of the TVs are facing. They had to have two big screens just up against the back of the rear window, and you could still sit in the tailgate with your beers and watch it. I think that'd be great. Well, you just need another Toyota Tundra. And that one has five seats

in the back of it. Oh, yeah. Put them tailgate to tailgate. I see. Yeah, okay. Wow. You could do that. I actually have a different vehicle I want to talk about briefly. And you can watch the autofocus video if you want the full breakdown.

But we did briefly have the Rivian R1S Gen 2 here. I was curious about it because I am personally a rivian r1t first gen owner and i regularly drive it so i was i saw the second gen stuff get announced and i saw some reviews and i wasn't at any of the like experiences or demos they had so i was just wondering how much of this stuff is really noticeable there's a whole bunch of stuff they're talking about here oh less wiring oh there's a couple new features here and there but how much of this stuff will I actually notice? Because I'm not going to buy a second gen. I have a first gen already, but let me see. So they got one in our hands and I actually, I put my list together. I reviewed it. I lived with it for a week and it

turns out there's two main things that I really noticed about it. One is the suspension and the way it drives and the new drivetrains, which actually improved. Basically, what they did is, so we had the triple motor, 850 horsepower, R1S, Gen 2, TriMax is what it's called. 370 miles of range. Roughly the equivalent power-wise of the first gen, which had quad motors. But what they did is they split apart the all-purpose and sport modes a little bit more. So I think if you read old reviews of the first gen Rivians, a lot of people were saying things like, oh, it rides a little harsh. It's a little bit too tightly sprung and things like that. And like other full-size

trucks are much softer and much more forgiving to drive so they made the all-purpose mode softer everything's just a little bit softer the acceleration pedal is a little bit softer the regen is a little softer the suspension is a little softer but then sport mode is even firmer which is it's actually very firm for a for a truck for a 7 000 pound vehicle it's it's really tightly sprung it can be a little much on regular streets, but that's what they mainly did, and that's what I noticed when driving it. Then the other thing is the cameras are just all dramatically better. Really? It's a small thing, but the first gen, when you put your blinker on and it shows you the feed of your blind spot, and it looks like it's covered in a layer of grease, and it's 240p.

It's like, okay, I can see if there's of grease and it's like 240p it's like okay i can see if there's a car there but i can't really see that well the new ones they're like super crisp hd like high dynamic range great colors like and by the way they're not just blinker cameras they are the the dash cam they are the century mode cameras they are very useful cameras so all the cameras being dramatically better. I thought that was great. That is something that always surprised me that companies would cheap out on the cameras on these cars because cameras are pretty cheap now. And I know that you just want to make a very small module and whatever, but I'm pretty sure the difference between like a 480 P backup camera and a

1080 B backup camera is like negligible and cost at this point, probably, especially for something that small and especially for something that already costs that much yeah right like what margin is that and it's a small cost that leads to a high quality of life improvement yeah well i guess when you're rivian i don't know how much they've changed i mean there's a ton of smaller things they've changed but when i looked at those cameras in the first gen it doesn't look like they were ever meant to be displayed that big, especially the side view cameras.

Like when I, originally actually it never showed that and then there was a software update and then they started showing you the blind spot cameras and I'm looking at it and I'm like, is there something on my cameras? It doesn't look like they're ever meant to be displayed. Now these new ones are like great.

Yeah. So I believe Tesla was able uh improve the cameras with a software update which is pretty cool of course yeah image processing can get better but i don't you would never see a difference this big just from software like they are night and day different which is great so i love seeing that so can i talk about the interior of this was is this like a special edition one no i mean this did have the the higher. I think it's called the Ascent trim. I'll double check that, but it did have the nice interior trim. Do you remember when Ford used to do

an Eddie Bauer edition Expedition? I think it ended in F-150. I'm kind of picturing it, though. So this, to me, felt like the L.L. Bean edition, like Rivian. It's got like this flannel accents all over the place. Yeah, plaid. Yeah, like plaid it yeah like

plaid and this it spoke to me sitting inside this was just like i am at home as a northeast white podcaster who loves a good ipa this thing was like it's i'm here home you have a nice lift also the wood trim on this is way better i don't know if it's just because it's a different wood trim but this is like one of the best wood trim, the wood trim on this is way better. I don't know if it's just because it's a different wood trim, but this is like one of the best wood trims The wood looks really nice, for sure. Interesting. I already love the R1S, but this one is even better.

I'm not really hot on the L.L. Bean vibe, but I'm happy that you're happy. This is me, man. Alright. It also has an electrochromic roof. Did the previous one not have that? It did not. It doesn't open right it's just it's just tints and then untints okay so you can it's either clear or frosted yeah i'm glad a lot more

technology is getting electrochromic stuff yeah seems like a shout out to the snapchat yeah seeing it on the snapchat glasses was really sick of just like on off on off or even if you just like looked at the like windows outside and watching it just auto do it was really cool. My first experience with the electro comic was in like 2016 in China. And I was staying in this hotel. And the shower that's in the bathroom area of the hotel was like just in the main room. So it was like, oh, you're just going to see naked people. It was clear.

But when you go in and you press a button and it totally tints yeah it gets all foggy so it's not quite it's not like it doesn't get darker it just gets like it looks foggy yeah you can't really see it's cool i've seen yeah i've seen more than one hotel with that yeah it's becoming more popular it was it used to be very expensive but i think it's been coming down in price a lot it's fascinating super cool some of you freaks are gonna leave it clear anyway uh moving we have one more vehicle actually i don't know how much you want to talk about it but it's the coolest one it's the it's the lee auto mega is what it's called it's wow how do i describe it it's an it's the shape of a minivan the ultimate mini i think it looks like the new prius got stung by b and his minivan size it does

have a yeah that sleek shape to it so yeah it's minivan size it's three rows it is made by a company that does not ship vehicles to the u.s so you're not going to just see one on the streets unless you saw me driving to the studio today um and it is very much yeah the ultimate minivan i think is a good description of it it's it's full of screens it's full of tech and features and comfort it kind of seems overloaded like it's got heated massaging seats in the front two rows it's got a 50 watt wireless charger at all four of the front two row seats it's got huge oled screens in the front it's got a self-aligning HUD display. It's got self driving. It's got sensors where you can like do

gestures to move media from the back seat to the front seat screen. It's all this insane. The auto park was nuts. It was so good. It was maybe the best auto park I've ever seen and I've tried a couple different auto park systems. This one confidently auto parked with a bunch of variables. It was pretty serious.

They have a singular LiDAR sensor on the top of that car, so it's probably that mixed with machine vision. And the ride is just, it's called like magic carpet suspension, and it is legitimately like you're not, you're just like floating. It is on the level of the, I'll say it, the Rolls-Royce Spectre, which was maybe like the softest magic carpet EV experience. And it's also like really good internal acoustics. So like you drive around in that thing and you basically just feel like you're floating along the road.

And then you hit a pothole and it's kind of like. And you run over increasingly larger things and it's just. Good for New Jersey. It's fine. It's totally fine jersey it's great for new jersey i know nothing about the manufacturer and nothing about how they are overseas so i can't speak to that but as the car that we are seeing here which is obviously lent to us from the company so take it with a grain of salt that it is it's one of the most fun inside of a car i've seen since this year probably yeah they got founded in 2015 so it's still a fairly new company this strikes

me as and this is a total shot in the dark but this strikes me as the lucid of china it reminds me of the first lucid that we saw that was so focused on the backseat experience like these lay down luxury quality this one like the bucket seats in the back, lay down, the footrest comes up. You can push them all the way back. So you have tons of leg room. It's like jetliner seats. It's like jetliner, yeah.

And then it has heated and cooled seats with massage. And I thought the interesting thing about the massage was normally a massaging seat only gets your back. This goes like all the way up your like hamstring, like to your knee yeah i need that it was awesome yeah it feels like lucid merged with canoe i feel like that's what it was the vibe of it has a canoe vibe to it yeah it's very canoe-y it's crazy strange it really uh compared to the um what is the minivan that we had for a bit the chrysler pacifica no the the re redo of the old

oh the volkswagen volkswagen uh yeah i feel like this is so much better it's like not even a competition because the volkswagen buzz evie buzz is that was called id buzz the outside looks cool but the interior is like really basic volks like it doesn't have a lot going on. I think they were based, they were on that nostalgic, like old, like the old, uh, vans were like, take the seats out and stuff and like super module and everything. And I think they were kind of going for that. This was like, we are doing our own thing and we're doing everything about it. Totally.

It's pretty sick. Very weird. Yeah. Cool. Do we want to do the max stuff after the break yes sure this thing i'll do i'll do a little teaser uh for audio listeners picture me holding a tiny five by five inch computer it's a desktop you're shocked by how small it is that's after the break that's what it is you are shocked um but yeah no we we have some max stuff we're

actually i've just been using right in front of me you can see the new macbook pro or maybe you couldn't tell because it looks almost the same but the same as mine yeah i've been using the silver one so now it's space black it's a whole thing now but we're gonna get to that after the break but before we do that we should do trivia trivia dude so we got marquez back this week, but we lost Ellis. Ellis is now homesick today. We're all just getting each other sick. Yeah, we're just going around.

So, I'm going to do a... Have you been sick? You were already sick. Yeah, but it never really went away. It just settled in my chest and never really went away. Perfect. So, that's why we're getting sick. Anyway.

You're just a nexus of life. Trivia question. Who's out next? Which of these is not a popular real EV hybrid car in China? An Ellis style question. Which one of these is not a real car

in China? The BYD Jam. The Wuling Bingo. The Aito is not a real car in china the byd jam the wu ling bingo the aito m7 or the zeker 001 oh my god i've heard of two of them yeah i have an idea that's bad i haven't the other two could be easily one also all right yeah i started seeing byD cars in the U.S. recently. Wait, really? Yeah. Really? I'm trying to remember where I was.

Oh, yeah, California. Huh. Their cheapest one is like sub 15K, right? Sheesh. Yeah. This was in like, I guess around San Diego. So it was like, there was tons of EVs already. So starting to see BYDs didn't shock me, but it was-

Did it look potentially like it was a, like somebody reviewing it or? I couldn't tell. I just remember seeing the logo. It might have been parked, actually. Interesting. We'll think about that. We'll think about those trivia questions as well. Answers are going to be at the end, like usual.

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Only in theaters Christmas Day. All right, welcome back. Let's talk new Macs. Last week we did get that press release week of new Macs. And now by the end of this week, reviews are starting to come out, including our Mac mini review, which should be out by the time this podcast is out, so we can talk about this one, this little guy here.

Basically, and I guess I'll spoil the review a little bit if you haven't seen it yet, but three main things are crazy about this Mac mini. One is obvious, it's tiny. I'm like holding it in my hand right now. It's a five inch by five inch by two inch little rectangular thing. Nobody was asking for a smaller Mac mini, but here we are. It's like the smallest little thing you've ever seen. It's a full size desktop computer, full M4 and M4 pro chips in there. Crazy how small it is. Thermals

seem to be totally fine. I just, it just keeps getting smaller it's crazy it's really cool yeah so that's that i called it a shrunken mac studio because the old mac mini was more of like a like a it was like flat like a platter this one's a little it's actually taller than the old mac mini it's two inches tall but it's it's this makes the mac studio look huge i put this on top of the mac studio it makes the mac studio it's actually like i saw it on rich's desk and i was like whoa that thing's gigantic i don't remember that feeling big like it never no i was always like oh that's a fairly small mac studio is already unnecessarily small yeah it's a very powerful computer yeah i love the mac studio this thing is way small my best

size comparison i have this roll of duct tape oh yeah you kind of nailed that when it sits on top every corner of duct tape perfectly aligns with the sides of the the mac mini if duct tape had corners it would be and then the size hold it up the oh sorry i'm doing it on the table and no one can see the footprint is exactly the same if you were to measure it it's five inches by five inch five inches and then it's also exactly two inches tall in terms of height it is like literally perfect which is crazy i don't know how you knew that but i well we were just trying to compare it to things and like everyday items and i grabbed this and it happened to be almost true i was trying to relate it to everyday things that everyone would know the

size of for the duct tape is in there and yeah a full size duct tape roll it is there but yeah on the front you have two ports two usbc ports on the front those are not thunderbolt ports and then you have three um the headphone jack and that's it you'll notice there's no power button yet on the back you have the power plug one gig ethernet by default you can for 100 bucks make it 10 gig i think yeah and then hdmi full size and three thunderbolt four ports by default you can for 100 bucks make it 10 gig i think yeah and then hdmi full size and three thunderbolt 4 ports by default on the m4 pro those become thunderbolt 5 still no power button you might notice uh on the top just that little apple logo still no power button you might notice uh on the sides totally blank this thing is nice and clean still no power button you've probably noticed

at this point i turn it upside down and you see the intake fans and the power button at the back bottom corner uh so i just you know threw out a conspiracy theory in the mac mini review but i'm sticking by it i think it is someone's job at Apple to create, to come up with, with every new design, one obvious, not that big a deal, but easy to complain about thing, to take the heat off of anything that might go wrong. This is the same person

that started with the notch in the iPhone. This is the same person that has the port at the bottom of the Magic Mouse instead of anywhere else. This is the same person who might have even started taking the headphone jack away but this person definitely chose to put the power button on the bottom of the mac i david and i talked about this last week before we saw it it is not possible to press this button unless you physically pick it up yeah that's worse than

i thought you could at least like kind of stick your finger under it and press it it's very very small and light and generally it's not going to be that big of a deal however just like the original mac mini people build setups around it right like a lot of people buy these so they can put like desktop risers over it and stuff and again i'm in the camp where i'm like i don't think i really need to turn off my computer that often. So it's not that big of a deal. And if I do need to, I'll just like, you know, pick up the back a little bit. But it is a little bit annoying. It's one of those things that Apple does sometimes where they're just like form over function. It is an objectively bad place to put it.

The exact same way the port at the bottom of the Magic Mouse is objectively the worst place to put it. But it's probably fine and not that big a deal because it's only you know once a while that you actually use that yeah we're also in one of those really awkward situations where they have two products out right now and one is an objectively bad deal compared to the other one because the m4 pro version of this computer is faster than the m2 ultra which is what's shipping in the mac studio right now mac studio for the equivalent spec basically is more than double the price effectively yeah um you're getting obviously way more cores so if that is something that you specifically need there's the mac studio you You're also getting the USB-A ports.

Full size, yeah. And that's pretty much it. So it's kind of that awkward situation where we were at when people were still needing to buy Intel Macs because compatibility. But literally the only situation that you would buy the intel mac is because of compatibility i don't really see a world where you would buy the mac studio over a faster mac mini right now yeah unless for some reason you absolutely needed built-in usba which i don't know why you couldn't just use an adapter or you absolutely needed a built-in sd card reader which again i don't know why you couldn't just use an adapter.

Yeah. So I'm not really sure if they're going to like discontinue this or just update it. They haven't officially announced an M4 Ultra chipset. They gotta. If they did, it would be great because the Mac Studio is also still stuck on M2 Ultra. Yeah. So Mac Studio is overdue. So I guess this gets me, i'll just finish my opening point

which is there's three crazy things about this mac mini first one was size the other two are the base m4 mac mini is a great deal it's 599 it's just a base m4 chip they doubled it to 16 gigs of onboard memory it's got all these ports it's tiny thermals are great performance is great it's like that's a that's a damn good entry mac good job yeah the third and final thing is wait a second the most powerful mac mini is the most powerful cpu mac so far desktop mac the desktop mac yeah because the m4 pro is the fastest single core performance we've ever seen on any mac, obviously with M4 or M3 or M2. And then, yeah, the M4 Pro is benchmarking above M1 Max and is hitting M2 Ultra levels of CPU and GPU.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the point you're making, I think, is that the M2 Macs are overdue for an upgrade. The Mac Pro, the Mac Studio, we're going to hopefully see M4 Ultra and get all of those updated sometime soon. We don't have that yet. We just have MacBook Pro with the M4 Pro. It's very weird to me that they didn't do that already. Yeah. So they're kind of staggering all these M4 Mac upgrades. But yeah, as of right now, Mac Mini is in a really impressive space. Yeah. And then as you noted in your review, what's very funny about this is that the base model is an extremely good deal at $599.

And then if you have an education discount, you get it for $499, which is even crazier. Sick. But once you add the additional SSD storage and you add the RAM. No longer a great deal. You have almost an entire extra Mac Mini. So maybe the RAM could be worth it but honestly they're thunderbolt four ports on the back for the base model

just buy an external ssd or an ssd enclosure and permanently mount it to the back and you'll be fine it's so much cheaper buy two of them and run them in sli and then you get 32 gigs of unified memory. That's a name I haven't heard in a while, SLI. Yeah, I guess you are limited in ports. You only have three USB-C ports, so you gotta be careful. But they're all Thunderbolt on the back.

We're sorry, yeah, three Thunderbolt on the back, and then two USB-C on the front. It's funny thinking about running a CalDigit onto this, knowing it's the same size, pretty much. Right. Like, to add an extra dock onto this for more I.O., it's the same size pretty much right like to add an extra dock onto this for more io it's the same size as the actual computer i understand that this computer is very cheap i am pretty bummed out that the ports on the front are just usb3 because that's going to be the most

common port that you attach an external ssd to it's going to be hard to get to the back so it's kind of frustrating here's a question would you rather have three usb3 ports on the back and two thunderbolt on the front over the three thunderbolt on the front and two usb3 on the sorry three thunderbolt on the back and two usb3 on the front that was very confusing wait say it one more time okay this has two usb on the front and three thunderbolt on the back would you rather would you be okay with losing a thunderbolt port but they're on the front and then the back are just three usb because that'd be worse that'd be where you need the you need at least one on the back to be thunderbolt so you can connect oh the monitor is okay yeah because i was gonna say like you'd

normally rather plug io in the back right or if you're they're assuming you're using a wireless keyboard i'd probably be okay with one thunderbolt on the back and then two thunderbolt on the front yeah at this moment same the front port is always most convenient when i plug a thunderbolt drive into my mac pro which is also the same situation i get an error message that it says you can't plug in this thunderbolt accessory into this port and i have to unplug it and plug it in the back with the Thunderbolt ports. So people are going to get that message if they try to plug a fast SSD into the front. It's going to be like, not the port for this.

Plug it in the back. As I'm looking at this, can I have a low-key conspiracy theory on why they didn't do that? Because then they would have to put the Thunderbolt logo on the front and that would kill the aesthetic of it being clean like this. Are there any Mac studios with Thunderbolt on the front no i don't think i don't think even the ultra does oh okay so because i mean the ultra they don't want the logo on the front yeah because

the ultra of the mac mini is also not thunderbolt that's really sad yeah there is no ultra it's just pro sorry not yeah the mac mini none of them are yeah so that is a little disappointing it's going to be harder to get to the back ports and for people that are like photographers that need to use external ssds a lot to transfer files quickly yeah it's going to be very annoying to i think that that is more annoying than the power button being on the bottom so i think that is my theory about apple's price ladders is even though it is actually totally capable chip wise, performance wise of being like the photographer's computer or like the light editor's computer is not

meant to be. It's still just the entry Mac for like a casual, like the, think about the M4 iMac, which is just 1200 bucks. Obviously it's not cheap, but it's like a very casual, this baseline computer to just get a computer so you're saying like this is the this is the m4 iMac of this is the baseline computer where you want your own monitor you don't want the iMac because like I would call the iMac the baseline yeah but it's $1,200 to start and if you have a computer yeah $1,300 so if you have a monitor already

you just like all right I'm gonna get a Mac I'll get the 500 600 mac mini and that's plenty of computer for every casual thing you're gonna do actually i could see this this is perfect for the like i have a friend who does like software engineering and he has just a mac mini and his gaming pc hooked up to the same monitors and just swap so this is great to just like use a kvM switch. Yeah. And just like code on this. If you'd prefer to do that on Mac and then switch over to your computer. But the second you were going to be the photographer thinking about how many ports do I need or how many external drives am I going to plug in or anything like that? They walk you right up to the Mac studio because you start to think about like, oh, M4 Pro or how much more am I going to spend?

Yeah, but it's so much more expensive. But the Mac studio also has regular USB 3 ports. But it has USB-A, it has way more ports. Yeah. And even though you're not getting that much more performance. It only has one extra C port, though, on the back, and then two USB-A. It's not that many more ports.

Oh, it has a bunch of USB-A, I thought. It only has two. Oh. Well, I've used both of mine. So it has four Thunderbolt and two USB-A. That's a big difference. That's one extra port for one Thunderbolt and two USB-A. It's three extra ports.

Well, sure. You know? I don't know. Instead of a splitter? I don't know. I just feel like that's... I wouldn't buy that for twice the price for three extra ports. Well, you say that, and that makes perfect logical sense,

but if you walk up the rungs of the ladder one by one, you kind of end up there faster than you think. Like the base Mac Studio, as you say, is $2,000 right now. Yeah, but it's M2 Pro. It's like so much slower. It's M2 Max. Sorry. Yes.

So it's a better GPU or almost as good. Well, it should be better, but it's not. But it's M2 Max. I think we all know it's not a great deal right now because we want m4 stuff in there but yeah you for that price will get all the extra ports you'll get hopefully soon m4 max and then it's actually like a cal digit and hook it up to one of the usb c ports on the back but a cal digit is like what five hundred dollars or something yeah that's exactly that's, you're getting right up to it.

Yes, in Mac Studio. I don't know. So anyway, that's, I think we're in a weird place because Mac's, Apple's lineup is not fully updated to M4, which is why this like weird comparison kind of makes sense. But I think hopefully soon Mac Studio gets M4, Mac Pro gets M4. Yeah.

And then everything is on tiered.ed to me it feels like apple only sees the front ports as a way to like charge the magic keyboard and the magic mouse that's kind of mostly what i do in all of their press stuff they just show it like having the um playstation controller plugged into it or the teenage engineering thing plugged into it but they don't actually show anything transferring data just charging never substantial data so yeah that's interesting that's a good point i didn't even think of that yeah we should talk about the macbook pro yeah okay that that's the last thing we got here which is this is the new m4 generation macbook pro um geez i haven't upgraded my macbook pro in three years we were just talking about this before i was 28 years old when i got my my m1 a wee lag yeah i was just a child um and i've been using it

ever since and i haven't really been tempted by any of the upgrades from m1 to m2 was silly m1 to m3 and i don't really need it m4 ultra m4 max comes out and m4 pro these new laptops now they're starting to stack the improvements on top of each other over the m1 generation not that i need some performance improvement but they also did a couple little things one uh thunderbolt 5 so faster io for those ssds for those big projects two there's a nano texture option on the display interesting yeah very interesting that it that's this is it you've you've seen it it's pretty sick looking yeah uh i have thoughts on it and then three it is space black and the first one isn't so it's just kind of like a bunch of little things now stacking up on top so this is the first one I've at least thought about switching from my three-year-old M1 Max to this brand new M4 Max.

We are still mid-review process on that, so I don't have an answer yet. I will say it's a great laptop. It's very expensive, but it is very performant. It is, on our export test, basically twice as fast as laptop on like major multi-threaded apps which is awesome so i'm i'm liking this laptop a lot so far yeah it's pretty good i think every single year up until now people have been like the performance improvements are like 20 little bumps but the m1 generation jump was so big from intel in general both in thermals as well as performance that people are just like,

why would I ever need this? And I continue to believe that generally, if you had an M1 Max, I bought an M1 Max when it first came out. I don't plan on upgrading because I'm like, yes, it's faster, but it's already so good that until it's like really, really, really good, or my computer just dies. Yeah, we have like years left on our totally lives you can get like six to seven years out of these computers um the things that i'm really excited about the thunderbolt 5 i think is going to be huge uh that's only in the pro of the mac mini but it is on these laptops which is awesome on all the ports which is super cool it's nice to see apple adopting a new standard slash technology early they obviously did adopt usbc really early in some ways in some ways yeah

parts yeah pieces of it yeah but uh thunderbolt 5 the spec only came out like a year ago and there's only like a razor laptop out right now that has it so it's kind of cool seeing them push that out so hopefully more s SSDs come out with it. I think the nanotexture display looks very, very good. It's $150 extra on these computers. It looks so good, though. When we opened it up and we were all looking at it, I was, like, blown away. Yeah, we had, like, a long conversation about it yesterday. I'm kind of torn on it.

I think it looks phenomenal. And that's because I took it out the box, and it's been two days, and it doesn't have any fingerprints or anything on it yet, and it looks so good. Just never touch it. I think it looks phenomenal. And that's because I took it out the box and it's been two days and it doesn't have any fingerprints or anything on it yet. And it looks so good. Just never touch it. Yeah. Just don't ever have anyone ever touch it with anything. What I'm curious about is I've had the nanotexture pro display XDRs for years now, and those things do not wear well. Like if anything touches it, if any dust touches it, if you use any polishing cloth, that's not the Apple one. It is super easy to get like marks on it and like to have it permanently scuffed and just start

looking kind of rough yeah which we kind of learned in real time like some of ours look great still some of ours look are looking kind of like fingerprinty which is bad david and mine at this point i'm like i guess i'll have to start touching it with my hands and figuring it out because I don't want to recommend people buy a nanotexture laptop or a nanotexture iMac. But isn't there also a nanotexture iPad? Like, how is that one doing? I want to see, like, how these different nanotexture displays are aging over time to determine if I want to recommend them or not. Good question. Yeah, like I said, it looks phenomenal now.

It's even a little bit brighter underneath this nanotexture. I think it's 1,000 nits standard SDR max brightness instead of 600. And also the battery, even though it's the same size, M4 is giving it an extra hour or two. Like a bunch of little things. But yeah, nanotexture, I'm not sure how it's going to age. But it looks incredible right now. It looks incredible right now, yeah. I feel like if you're working in cafes a lot near windows and stuff it's gonna be a huge benefit yeah or on

airplanes this is my airplane editing laptop which is why i'm like yeah this is maybe great it makes perfect sense on a laptop in terms of glare because you always have more opportunity for glare and something that's mobile but it also does and you know maybe we're just not the best at cleaning them correctly maybe you have to wipe a smudge immediately but like we both looked at our monitors and they're not great and then you think of something that you have the potential of touching every single time you open it shut it it's just asking for yeah smudge city the protos play xdr was also the first product they shipped with nanotexture and i wonder if they've improved it since it came out years ago. Because it's been a long time. Other changes that are awesome, love that they added an additional

USB port on the lowest end 14-inch, because originally the regular lowest end 14-inch had one less USB-C port, which is cool. So glad they added that. And then 16-inch, they base it at 24 gigabytes of RAM now, which is awesome. They jacked that up. Oh, and it goes up to something crazy. Isn't it 128 now? Yeah, I think it's 128 max now. Is it really?

Yeah, because I had this second highest. Oh, yeah, 128. Jeez. Yeah, so it goes crazy. It's a lot of memory. For a cool $1,000? Yeah. The upgrade.

No one said it would be cheap. Definitely will not be cheap. Yeah. But, yeah, these laptops. Also, why is this the marketing for it hold on apple intelligence is here oh yeah yeah everywhere it's also yeah every you have it yeah it says hello apple intelligence doesn't say it's here yeah so you can say hi to it but it's technically a while away it is out now technically if you upgrade sonoma it's on my m1 yeah max laptop the official build is out but the only things it really does is like the writing tools and if that's really what you want out of apple intelligence then like good for you

you won't need i think everyone's waiting for the siri upgrades that aren't coming until like march of next year i think they're slated for spring so that's kind of crazy i'm waiting for that till i review apple intelligence yeah it's gonna be like three more months or something yeah I think they're slated for spring. So that's kind of crazy. I'm waiting for that until I review Apple Intelligence. Yeah. It's going to be like three more months or something. Yeah. We'll see.

But I think that these are really, really incredible machines and if you didn't buy an M1 or an M2 or an M3, these are pretty good pickups. I have a question. Should I just touch? How do I figure this out?

How do I figure out how well it ages? Do I just start going crazy touching it? I think I have to. It depends how long you're planning on using it for do i just start going crazy touching um i think i have to it depends how long you're planning on using it for do you have like a niece or a nephew no because they would just i was gonna say just let them use it for like a week and that's like a year of wear and tear i mean i i'm gonna use it for a few more days for this review and then

start putting the review together i think in the next few days i gotta figure out if i gotta review this fair um just uh you don't want to just touch it live on the pod can you wait till we get b-roll of it yeah yeah okay i mean there's a little before you send vin and brandon off a cliff yeah yeah it's not coming off see i don't know dang i don't know man also that poor soul that has to update the compatibility list of the apple the polishing cloth every year when someone on twitter goes it has been up somebody logs in and like changes the updates yeah good job yeah you did it wow so that's about it we also had obviously the imax um but that's there's nothing new besides they now also come with the m4 and the nanotexture option yeah but the the nano texture option on those are 200 instead of

150 so like based on screen size i guess it's based on screen size but then the 32 inch protofly xdr being a thousand dollars is out of control but it's been years since they first started shipping that so it's probably way more expensive to add gotten better because the ipad yeah nanotexture is like 100 extra dollars maybe i it's a hundred bucks got it okay yeah and it only comes with the one terabyte and two terabyte models right which to me was a sign that they didn't want it to be it's either a sign that they don't want it to be on everyone's iPads or a sign that you should pay more to get the one terabyte just to get the nanotexture it's just to walk you up the ladder yeah one or the other there's

definitely that I also think that they think that digital artists are going to be the ones that want it the most and they need more storage. Which is fair. Also, they don't need more storage. You're forcing them to have more storage. Exactly. All right.

We're going to wrap this section up with a little, it's not a game as much as it's- Thought experience. Yeah. No, I don't know. It's a question I'm posing out because there's not a lot that happens. You guys thought experience yeah no i don't know it's a question i'm posing out because there's not a lot that happens you guys can play along at home because i'm sure you're gonna have your own answers to this yeah the theme of this question that we're

all thinking about is what is an app that you use all the time and like to use but is actually a bad app and i've thought about this a little bit i have a couple answers actually um i've at least a lot of these are gonna wind up being super niche but i'm hoping that the listeners out there when they hear it they'll feel seen and mine is not niche at all it's not niche good that's better yeah people can really start it off yeah start us off the google messages app what hmm i love that app oh I also use that app all the time. What is bad about it? Besides them turning feature flags on and off constantly.

More so when I open it up, it's just text messages from people I know, some that I don't, random spam numbers that don't get blocked, because it does a good job of separating the spam into its own little spam and archive section. But more than a few get through and just end up in my inbox same what like i'm looking at one right now that has an exclamation point next to it already and

it's like hi i'm sarah a recruiter like why did that not just it is weird when it like makes it into your main inbox but is basically saying it's spam while it's in there like yeah like it is i guess it's not a bad app functionally i just wish it was like a cleaner experience like if there was folders where i could just like be in one section that is only people in my contacts all the messages are there okay i have a question okay so didn't they are aren't they going to start adding different categories that you can jump between like That's what I'm hoping. I think that that might be something they're working on. Yeah, I believe so.

I just find that very funny. Because just like we talked about the AR glasses and VR headsets crashing into each other and trying to become the same thing, email and texting is crashing into each other trying to be the same thing. It's like, let's make the texting app just like email. The closest analogy I could find to what I would want unfortunately is just email it's faster email just give me like better filter options i guess like so i can go into the section of numbers i don't know like it does a good job of auto deleting the the one-time password text messages that you get like there's a feature for that yeah does that now but just give me like one step more i think the pixel does it a little bit better right doesn't it have better spam filtering on Google messages I get a ton of spam I don't know oh it might interesting yeah okay at least up until

this election week I've gotten it I do find it funny though because I kind of hate the way the email is formatted like it's a very old system that feels like it could really be streamlined There's always these truncated messages and sometimes parts appear and disappear and it's like texting is so much simpler Can we interest you in notion mail? No I'm still on the waitlist because my app that I hate on mobile is notion Can you okay damn that's a good one yeah it's awful i don't know how many people use notion that listen to this podcast it is now a fairly popular productivity

app the mobile app experience for this is just like what if you took a desktop computer excel spreadsheet and put it on your phone whack except you couldn't see anything whack you hit a notification to jump to a certain task that you're in but you have no idea what even project that task is it i was gonna say can we all name our least favorite thing about the notion app it's that it's that and it's also when i try to move things around when i try to reorder things in a like a tabbed list and i try to grab the handle and then i grab i end up selecting the text so i have to like unselect the text and like hide the keyboard and i try to grab the handle again and then move it and the whole

thing moves and i'm moving it to the wrong place yeah moving things i just want to say on a foldable device it's not a problem yeah because because the notion app just feels like it's a desktop app but there's not enough screen space for you to see anything. The main reason, the thing David's talking about is like, if you get tagged in a specific task. So let's just say podcast clip thumbnail. All right, so we're like a couple deep insideuncated so the way we have it is we have the waveform uh category then we have episode 258 and then within that are a bunch of subtasks

so that would be like in the waveform episode 258 post-production clip three thumbnail right so as i get the notification for that all i can see is clip three thumbnail and waveform podcast and three dots in between like and then if i want to see where that is in there because when we're doing things out you have to back out and it's basically just find it i mean because you can't like get in to see where that sub that folder uh like uh structure timeline is going yeah and the notifications that you get is like mark has updated property script mark has updated property and research testings i click on that research testing that is a default that we have for every video that we ever do because that task but in different projects right and you don't know which project you're in right you have

no idea which project you're in once i'm in that you can hit the back button next to research testing it just brings you back to your inboxes to home i do not understand i feel like there are like two to three ways that people's brains work and mine just doesn't work like that why is that not a drop down menu on the top i don't know just like research research and then you prop and it's just in order, in chronological order of what subfolder you're in and you just climb up. And it's crazy because it seems like there are so many people that are so into Notion. Like people have a lot of great things.

Yeah. Like the desktop app is pretty good. If you were using Airtable before Notion, it's like 10 years ahead of what Airtable used to be because Airtable is just Excel on the internet and it's really bad. I don't get it. But yeah, the app for Notion, guys, come on. You don't have to make it look and work exactly the same as the web app. It just has to do the same things.

Sounds like a scalation. I think we all agree. Mobile is pretty brutal. If you have a foldable, you're in the elite club. But for us plebs that are using our bricks, it's not quite as good. We just got to carry one of these around everywhere. We can always have Notion. Okay uh okay yeah fully on board uh with that i like that one what did i write down i have three at notion please fix oh okay i have a category of apps okay banking apps every um every in every smart home accessory has its own app that you have to like log into to connect to

it and i use the google home app so then what i'll do is i'll open google home and then i'll go to like ingest that new smart home thing like i have an august smart lock so i have to download the august app and then log in and then connect the lock and then i'll go to google home and then import my august account and then bring that lock into google home but then the august app just kind of sits on my phone and sucks you still have to have it i don't think so but if it ever stops working in google home then i would have to go re-download it reinstall set it up again like i just had i just leave it on my phone i would like to introduce you to the matter protocol oh man is this gonna save me because at this point i have a bunch of i have a miros app i have a bunch of random i don't think it phone i would like to introduce you to the matter protocol oh man is this gonna save me because at

this point i have a bunch of i have a miros app i have a bunch of random i don't think it would change outlet apps matter allows you to manipulate those apps within just the google home app no no that you can do that but you can only do the like the very basic functions of like on off unlock lock like if i saw like i have like mark has like four different types of lights or like smart plugs so like miras in brighton um i don't even know what else i have on here but yeah so like those will all be in the google home app and i can use their voice commands on my google homes or like can turn on off but if i want to like set a schedule timer for them that i have to do inside the app or if i

or if it gets disconnected and i have to reconnect it yeah i have to have that app to reconnect right i am going to make an analogy okay i think that smart home apps are very similar to charging apps for ccs based cars 100 because there are a lot of options in the ecosystem because it's a standard and so everyone wants in on it, but nobody actually commits to making the interface good. So all the CCS charge-based apps are also terrible, but it's the same thing. Occasionally, the car manufacturer will try to make their app

the hub for all of the charging networks like Ford. So the FordPass app will include the logins and accounts of a bunch of those but even that is like it's just finicky and yeah no i agree with you on the smart home stuff it's yeah it's not good it's pretty matter is trying to fix this and it's a slow burn i don't know if it ever will though because it's just the connectivity aspect of it and it's not going to be able to change the control with matter will i be able to set up a august smart lock without ever downloading the august yes yes in google home in google home there's a uh connect to a matter enabled device button and you scan a qr code on the product and you don't have to use the august app that sounds

great you just do everything through google i'm officially a huge matter fan whatever i gotta do to help this out i would love to i still wonder where though like because like i can't set a schedule for the smart plug that i have of like turn on five o'clock turn off five i can something for me ross through the google home app yeah i think maybe not maybe i don't know i still feel like i can't even set my ross app no you're right yeah you have to do in a miros app matter is slow growing and still not a ton of devices have it um i feel like the ultimate issue with it will be is that because of so many different companies are still making the things for matter like they're gonna incentivize you to download the app yeah i do not have scheduling ability that's fun yeah yeah also just the way that home smart home systems work in general

like sometimes i can tell it to turn on all of my lights and it just doesn't work and then i'll manually turn everything on and then five minutes later everything just like turns off because it's it's like what is there a queue in my internet system that is just like backed up for five minutes like i don't really know what's going on but i had also set up some routines through the google app where it would do a couple things in succession yeah and then one by one they would just break so i'd say i'd have a thing where i say good morning and it's supposed to like turn the lights on open the shades tell me the weather and like look up the news and then one by one it would like i'd say good morning i'd be like sorry i can't do that but then do the other three things and then it would say sorry i can't do that sorry i can't do

that and then just do two of the things it would just start breaking yeah so that's all right i do want to do like a state of matter episode because we had a matter episode a while ago and it's been quite a while to see if anything's actually better has it been it's been like a year yeah that's maybe like a year does what does matter baby work yet matter baby yeah what is that what is what matter baby what it didn't work i i thought i could get you what's the matter baby i thought i would try a dad joke it didn't work it's pretty good leave them to me. It would have worked if you did it. Andrew, what's yours?

I'm realizing that there are all these apps that I don't use very often, but they all have very specific things that annoy me. Do you know what I'm going to say in this one? That's a good one. The Orbi app? Yeah. All right. Wait, what is that? It's a router.

A mesh network. Okay. Okay. it's a router mesh network okay the internet speed test button doesn't test the speed of what you're downloading from the actual router it tests the speed of the internet connection directly plugged into the router to your house so every time i test my speed i'm getting like 800 down because all it's testing is the speed that it's getting into the main router it's just your router going yep i'm putting it down like that's not what i was asking i'm like sitting on the opposite side of my house like wow youtube's being really slow is it a problem with youtube or am i getting a really poor connection over here

do i have to change the mesh network and it's like no man you got 900 down it's like i definitely do not i also recently added a satellite and i didn't remember the user i had a different phone i didn't remember the username and password login have you ever forgotten your username and password to orbi i don't believe so these are my favorite nightmare because you have to go into this web portal and then like find this info on the bottom of the router and that's the temporary password to log in to like reset the admin password to to finally log back into the app, it is a disaster. I wouldn't wish for getting that password on anyone.

But then you actually add the satellite and it goes through this whole thing. It says nine different steps of what it's doing and you just can't do anything while it's working. It's awful. And at the end, you're like, I guess, to give it credit it tries to like auto manage things so i put this new satellite in and then a bunch of devices started connecting to

it because they were close to it but it didn't really let me for those wondering a satellite is like a mesh uh network node that it extends the network it's i would argue that the majority of problems that come from a home wi-fi system is what it tries to automatically do things for you instead of you getting no for sure i mean that's the whole reason that new wi-fi uh routers now have dedicated smart home networks on them because a lot of smart home stuff only works on 2.4 gigahertz but a lot of the intelligent switching will switch between 2.4 and 5 gigahertz depending on traffic load and it'll just break smart homes just because they just don't work on 5 gigahertz right up the majority of my chromecast issues have always been from like oh you're connecting to the like satellite that is 150 feet further than the

the regular router that is right here on 2.5 it's it's crazy yeah yeah i have one other small one and i i've tried this with Marques already, but this is called Hatch. It is a white noise machine for Lane. It is arguably the most popular white noise machine for nurseries. I just want you to try and change the volume on it. That's the Hatch. So you can click that.

I already got you into that. I want you to find the volume change. Does it look nice? It looks fine. It's like blue. It's like rainy. You're saying it's just not intuitive. It is not intuitive.

Changing the volume should be one of the easiest. It should be one of the most basic. Glaine is home with my in-laws right now, and I'm praying she's not sleeping, so if David accidentally rips this thing, it doesn't matter. I will also say the Devy Lay is similar is it so like all the speakers right now david's on the screen it says touch ring and there are like three main kind of things you can do which is essentially changing the different types of white noise that'll play

so there's like sleep rain what's the other one ocean so those are all there you can select those and pick which noise you want all right and now he's clicking the little hamburger menu on the side you don't use trying to volume buttons that's not it nope i literally trying to scroll it's not scrolling anywhere because it's only one page on a page i don't does it have a volume it does it has a volume i found it yep Yep. Oh, wow. It is like... That doesn't look like a button. It's this like 10 pixel tall little thing, almost like in Spotify where you're...

If a song's playing on the bottom. Wow. Except the background of the button is the exact same color as the rest of the screen. Yeah. So it just doesn't look like a button at all. This is how you... You have to click white noise and then you have to...

The volume comes out. But literally everywhere else just... Wow. It is super unintuitive a button at all. This is how you, you have to click white noise and then you have to. The volume comes up. But literally everywhere else, just wow. It is super unintuitive. That's difficult. One night I was home with Lane and Claire's like, oh, I always just turn the hatch down a little bit after like she goes to sleep. And it probably took me 20 minutes to turn the volume down. Are she doing this?

So yeah, that's extremely frustrating. That's a good one. so yeah that's extremely frustrating that's a good one do we want to also talk about apps that are surprisingly good even if they're all very simple i'll do that we can be positive yeah come on yeah why not okay so i have this app for my apartment building called butterfly mx it's for so okay yes it's just for your building it's just for my building so it's like a white label app that like the building signs up for or something uh i don't know if i'd consider it white label it's a it's a lock company that it's like a smart lock system for apartment buildings so they have a little touch screen outside and you have there's an app for it and you can use it and the thing i really like about it is

the ux is like insanely simple but it is insanely consistent like it always works the only time i have trouble with it is when i'm literally standing right in front of my apartment and because my phone is like trying to connect to my wi-fi network it can't really do it so i just turn the wi-fi network off and it works. You just literally slide to unlock. It unlocks the front door of the apartment building. It's super simple. You can create there's,

it's so simple. It literally looks like they coded this in a day. Like it's not very like super crazy, but you can create virtual keys and you just put in like the name of the key, how long you want it to last. If it's recurring. Oh, that just reminded me of a terrible one so you can create you can create like a virtual key that you then text to someone oh say it lasts for this amount of time and it gives them a qr code and

also a pin so when they go outside your building they can either just scan the qr code or put in the pin always works uh it has a video doorbell so they can like ring me and it rings my phone and i can either answer with video or not i just love that it's like the app literally looks like it was coded in one day the ui on that looks better than every single smart home this is a product i own like sometimes you just need functionality and you don't need it to be pretty and i'm fine with that for this app and it is surprisingly very very good so shout out to butterfly mx nice yeah you have a bad one what's the bad one so when i upgraded to the new google home stuff i it was with the goal of getting rid of the nest app from my phone entirely because

that thing sucks i have the new i have the new thermostats i could finally get rid of nest but i realized i have one more thing which is the nest yale smart lock on my like back door which is supposed to have all those features like i can make a virtual key i can make a one-time password so if someone's visiting i can give them the passcode that only works one time and then someone else tries it won't work all these nice features it's supposed to have but now that i don't have the nest app it's literally not connected to my smart home ecosystem at all oh so it just has the one passcode it's always had and i can't remotely open or close it i can't do anything with any of those features it's just you can't open you can't unlock it from your google home app nope we've really yeah

it's in the nest app damn unfortunate oh i use a eufy one i can do that but i do need the app which kind of sucks but does the nest app still exist or is it just still exists home now i mean there are still things that exist in the nest ecosystem that are like mostly functional in the Nest app and like kind of also work in Google Home but are mostly in Nest that was like what the old thermostats are doing and the old sensors and all that which is why I got rid of them but yeah I mean it still exists it's just not good I want to say my one request for Butterfly MX is they have an Apple Watch and like uh I'm pretty sure they have a it it's not Android Wear. Google Wear OS app. And that's great, but I don't wear smart watches.

They don't have a widget. And I would really like a widget on my phone so that I could just tap unlock and it would unlock my front door. I have to open the app and slide the swipe to unlock. So many specific apps that could, if there was a widget for one button, I would be, my, like, Subaru app to just heat my car up, pull my car up. Like, if I just had a widget with just one thing, I'm just like, I want to heat it up.

Dude, the Subaru one is like, put your fingerprint in. Wait. Hit heat. Oh, you sure you want these settings? Yep. Okay. All right. Sending to card. It takes so long. I will admit they have a like a long press actions and then you can hit unlock front door so that's nice but i just want it to be a button like my lights i feel like that would be nice so yeah yeah andrew favorite app favorite app

your app that's like really good even if it's like a positive yeah there's an app called udisc which is a disc golf app it's like a disc golf scorekeeper okay um it is it's just really really good they put a ton of time into it it is like the default for tracking your score on the course um there's i think they do a great job by having a pro version that's 30 a year which is like expensive but if you're playing once a week that seems like a really reasonable price to ask for when disc golf is so cheap in general is it useful if you like get an ace by any chance i mean you could put down you got an ace um but like it's just really well done the pro version gives you some extra functionality like i can track my score on my watch uh like i can just input everything on my watch i don't even

have to take it off but it's great at just being like the hole you're going to is this way the next where you're shooting for is this far away you can track each individual shot you can share like your different scores the pro version for but you can do almost all of this for free it just like will only let you see your last 10 rounds which i think is super reasonable in a free app um they just do a great job and it's almost like you need it in order to play disc but i'm glad they actually do a good job with it so shout out you disc awesome that's good i have a couple random apps that are like not worth shouting out but there's a the nyc ferry app oh that's such a good one yeah

it's rated like 4.9 on the on the app store there's a transit app wait there's also i take it all the time there's also the if you get enough parking tickets it's also so good yes okay this is the craziest it is also rated like 4.8 stars on which is so funny because all you're doing is paying you just it's also one of those apps that is like it's so archaic and it looks so old it's just but you just put in your license plate number it just shows you the tickets you have you can pay you can pay with you have a shortcut for this no it's a recent install that oh okay okay you can pay with venmo so you pay your dispute and you're like all right i have a ticket i want to pay i will scan the barcode on the ticket or put in your license the license plate number which is here or the ticket

number you put that in and then you can pay with venmo or what you know credit card i would kill for my dentist to have this they mail me a letter every time i have to pay for the dentist wow every time i leave i'm like can i pay and they're like no you're good and i was like but please i don't want you to do this i totally forgot how good the parking ticket app is it's so old looking like it's everything's square and everything's just like a target you know and the studio one more thing that just reminded me of i was just in greenwich connecticut and i guess this whole neighborhood has like this like parking meter system where they all use the same app and i scanned it and just use the web portal but the dude i was with had the app on his phone and there was a a live activity showing how exact a live

countdown of how much longer he had to park they're on it and it would count down in real time until the parking expired yeah i thought that was pretty cool they have that in san francisco too and you can just you can pay for more time in the app so you don't have to run back to your car and add more yeah you just like open your phone you're like oh i got 30 seconds left you just add it yeah you're good stoked it was crazy very cool all right we should do you have one adam yeah oh do you have a good app i have a good and a bad one hit me and they're related okay so the bad one notion and notion mail the bad one is goodreads which amazon bought it's an app that you use to like track your reading and stuff like that it's fine it just hasn't been updated in forever yeah and the good one is an alternative called the story graph which is

actually really nice it's a small team of people that are working on it and the thing that i like that they do that goodreads does not is you get all these like cool graphs and statistics about your reading patterns and everything like that the only problem is there are way less people on the story graph so it's annoying because you can't see like what your friends are up to what are they reading blah blah i've been trying to get people in my life on story graph so this is my last plea for everyone to join StoryGraph so that we can just have a good reading app instead of being forced to use Goodreads. This is the classic Social Graph problem.

Yep, it is. Yeah, true. But that was it. Dang. All right. I would join you if I read. It counts audiobooks. I can't read.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I think we should take it to trivia part two extravaganza. The trivying. Trivying. Sure. It's a movie reference, right? It was like a movie.

Everything's like the somethinging, but it's part two. Yeah. It's nice. Which app. I know that one. Was not made by Apple. Logic remotes. Cl not made by Apple. Logic Remote. Clips.

Apple Motion. Full Deck Solitaire. Full Deck. Is there Half Deck Solitaire? Maybe. I'm not sure. Maybe. There might be.

Not made by Apple. Interesting. That's another one that I've heard of some of them. I haven't heard of some others. That's another one that I've heard of some of them. I haven't heard of some others. Yeah. That's fascinating. I'm sure those of you at home are already furiously yelling the answer on your phone right now. But we'll take about that a little more and the answers will be at the end. One more break. We'll be right back. Good luck with the dishes. Want to become up to 50% wealthier?

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dope or nope we we don't have a name yet so if you have a better name let me have to pay juddner for dope or nope yeah oh there it is i mean worth it because that's a dope name so nope the way this is gonna go is i'm going to name certain tech and a couple non-tech things mostly tech though marquez relax okay and you guys have to say whether that particular thing is overhyped underhyped or perfectly hyped you each get one perfectly hyped just one just one throughout the course of this and i have like 20 maybe 20 i have a lot we don't have to go through all of them obviously but like just let me know when you guys have had enough i'll stop twisting your arm first one starting off hot okay mechanical keyboards overhyped agreed mechanical keyboards overhyped agreed mechanical keyboards

overhyped for the general population they're overhyped for sure as someone who got really invested in building mechanical keyboards in like 2013 and spent like literally all the money I made at my day job on mechanical keyboards for like 4 years

and then now uses an apple magic keyboard yeah I think that they are pretty i think that they can feel nice to type on but for some reason my fingers just don't want to travel at all anymore it's like low profile artisan i feel like like a mechanical keyboard at this point is like an artisan kind of totally like it's almost yeah you're doing a bunch extra for it to look nice and sound nice. And the functionality it's giving you is not that much.

It's like a wedding cake. Yeah. My theory about life on Earth is that, whoa. Mechanical keyboards are over. Where is this going? It's that every utility has a pocket of it that is extremely overdone because people get really into it. Yeah. Every utility. Which is a great part about humanity, I will say. Yeah. I love that partone because people get really into it yeah every utility

which is a great part about humanity i will say yeah i love that you just get really into it what time is it oh i'll check my watch what time is it oh i'm glad you asked about my watch my favorite item in the universe like that is everywhere i feel attacked yeah so what's your answer i think overhyped okay everyone goes overhyped yeah cool cool next nano texture display i was gonna say that because i was just looking at it i was i just installed notion i was like why does it look better okay but you just unboxed this a couple days ago everything looks amazing and like the best thing ever the first like week so you have to like give it some time i'm so worried if this thing ages poorly i'm gonna be so sad i think the chance of that

happening is there's a higher chance of that happening than not so i'm gonna go with overhyped because if you love something so much and then in like three months you're like i regret paying i regret paying more money for this to now be something that annoys me i think on the studio display xdr it is definitely overhyped because it's a thousand dollars and it's yeah the prototype xdr yeah yeah like a thousand dollars for that i would never pay um maybe 150 on the macbook pro so what's worrying me specifically is you've had this macbook pro the space black one for a little while yeah and we put them side by side. And, like, your keyboard is way more worn in.

And, like, the trackpad where you use the trackpad is, like, you can see the gradient of where you use it, where you don't. Yeah. And I'm like, it looks so good new. Yeah. Where everything is nice and even and matte. Yeah. And the display is so crisp and matte and perfect. Yeah. I'm like, how long is it going to take

before I just accept that it can't look good anymore? The keys of a brand new laptop look so good and then the oils of your fingers just decimate that. Does dbrand have a transparent skin yet? A transparent skin, no. That will just protect it? Like PPF? Dude, I would...

I would PPF my... I would actually ceramic ceramic coat my keyboard i think that might be the move are you are you on the train of those people that have those rubber gas things equivalent of what it does so actually you can you can put the so you can ceramic coat the leather seats of your car okay which you won't really notice the difference but it should prevent like the denim color from rubbing off onto your seats it's like a protective layer and i'm actually considering do they depress do that can you depress yeah it's super thin oh yeah i don't know if you can do that on just the top keyboard just the keys just the top of each key i would pay like maybe 50 for that stock to make my keyboard always look

new worth it yeah this might be a shark tank idea doesn't that start getting grimy what the keyboard the coating um i don't know because it's easy to clean off you like wipe it off everything's fine you wipe it off the same thing with your it's like hydrophobic on top so you just wipe it off does that react to oils the same way it reacts to like pigment from your jeans no it's hydrophobic in general so i think any like wax or oils or water just just you wipe it it's all gone from the top it's easy to clean that's the whole point of it is being easy to clean very good shark tank i kind of like it uh a nano texturexture currently currently overhyped, but could turn out to

Could be underhyped, maybe. I think it could be underhyped on the computers because no one's talking about it. It's new. And having it in looks very nice, so if you end up really liking it, I would say that could be underhyped. Yeah.

It looks freaking amazing. When we are sitting in this exact spot next week and there's eight fingerprints on it you're like that's me in a week yeah okay all right next video essays on youtube oh my god i have a rant about i have a video essay about video? That's a great idea. Me personally, I'm going with overhyped, but I think they are a valuable insight into the trends happening on YouTube, which is we realize

that longer videos are stickier than ever before. It doesn't mean everything has to be an hour-long video essay, which kind of feels like some people think that that's what has to happen, but it's interesting to note. So it's overhyped, but good to keep an eye on. That's my take.

I'd probably say overhyped, not because I don't like them, but because I'd probably just listen to it like a podcast anyways, so all of the work they're putting in for the animations and photos and whatever that yeah but you wouldn't have found it if it was on a podcast app true god no totally agree but that's still a ton of extra work they're doing for me to just listen to it i have a lot of thoughts okay i knew you would this is how i know you're like looking at david when you said you were like looking at David when you said it, you were like hour long video. And for you, he's like, man. Okay. So I have a problem with the current state of YouTube video essays because I think a

lot of people are truncating video essays with commentary videos and they're very much not the same thing. A lot of times commentary videos will just run like an hour, you know, and they're very much not the same thing a lot of times commentary videos will just run like an hour you know and they'll use the sources they use are just tweets and things like that and they'll like rant about things but they're just kind of like thing bad thing bad look how dumb thing bad commentary videos and that is like the most popular common kind of one hour video on YouTube, which is very annoying to me. Well, we usually run around an hour 30. Okay.

And we, well, yeah, we usually also say thing bad. Sometimes we say thing good, which we did on this episode. Nice. But yeah, I think it feels like they're masquerading as video essays. they're masquerading as video essays a video essay should be I have an opinion and I'm trying to prove I'm trying to change your mind to my opinion by using a number of examples and sources and these things and I think that video actual video essays are between I think they definitely used to be under hyped now they're just kind of hyped

But you're using your perfectly high gosh. Oh, I think real okay actually no I think I think real video essays on YouTube are under hyped because they're more rare and Because when you actually like ingest one it feels really good in your brain sort of lights on fire a little bit That's really what got like anyway no it's great i i love the heat you know but but yeah i think i think a lot of people think that video essays are what commentary videos are and they're not the same thing so i would say underhyped if we're actually talking about real video essays under the purism the purest yeah real videos real but i'm just tired

of the commentary videos that are just like how dumb do these people have to be it's like this is the same as reality tv you're just but it's an hour long so is reality tv totally yeah so just accessing the part of your brain that feels superior to other people it's just a podcast with pictures it's a yeah podcast which i'm fine i wish i think is i don't think there's anything wrong about it i just think they're spending a lot of extra time for me to listen for sure but youtube is such a better i totally agree that's why we are on youtube yeah right exactly is this podcast a video essay no not at all just the opposite this is at best a video rough draft we are convincing no one this is the brainstorming session we are just here talking to you okay last time we did this you guys all said that chat gpt was overhy you yeah i still feel as though everyone is saying

this is gonna change every ad that plays is like do you understand how much this is going to change your productivity and your workflow and like maybe for some people that do a lot of coding like there was a new story that came out last week that Google now uses 25% AI-generated code, which is pretty wild. But for almost everything else, it is not the revolution quite yet that we were promised. And what you're saying is exactly why, like, when we say overhype, it doesn't mean it is a terrible thing.

It means it's getting way too much hype for what it's doing. It doesn't mean it is bad, necessarily it means it's getting way too much hype for what it's doing it doesn't mean it is a terrible bad necessarily you could use it to brainstorm you could jump back and forth between you could use it there's plenty of things that chat gp does that is impressive but for some people it's the greatest thing i've ever used it's amazing but for the new five it's being marketed yeah yeah thanks sundar it's a wheel It's a wheel. It's a wheel. All right. Foldable smartphones. I'm feeling perfectly hyped coming.

Yeah? Is this it? Oh, yeah. I need to think about this one. Yeah. I need to think about this one. I would say underhyped because I just think the general population still doesn't even think about them.

That's kind of where I was leaning in. Like, if we're talking outside our world, I don't think anyone cares about foldable phones. Overhyped. overhyped overhyped okay i'm going overhyped just because of how much aspect ratio comes up every single time people have a folding phone they're like what do you do with it oh you know it's a bigger screen yeah but but what do you do with the bigger screen no she watch a video at the same size at the exact same size yeah the same size yeah i mean multitasking occasionally notion once in a while but like i think for most people not actually that much more useful yeah so i think it might have to go into over you said something once that perfectly describes what you're saying and that was the pixel fold has the best closed experience yeah yeah that says

something i definitely think once the trifolds start coming out i think they will be under hyped until people realize the magic but currently a one by one aspect ratio i just don't see the benefit of because i'm not the type of person who needs two pieces of information to be next to each other all the time and even if that's useful to reference you have to like do a bunch of gestures to get them to be next to each other so you spent all that time when you could have just been in one app copying the information over to the other app you could save pairs but i see what you mean yeah i don't know can i ask you adam because you're physically using one right now yeah um i would say underhyped only because i mean underhyped on all sides like

i think developers are also not taking full advantage of foldable devices it's a good point so like you can't have the experience if you don't have the developers behind it supporting new thought-provoking experiences so i would say underhyped in that sense once the trifles come out it's all over it's a wrap yeah it's gonna be underhyped as heck and i'm gonna just it's all over and then overhyped and all of them break because of the outside folding screen yeah all right thunderbolt five well it's not hype very much yeah there's only two computers out that have it. I think I have to go underhyped just because it's not. It is actually underhyped. I think it's almost not hyped at all,

but I think has some really awesome potential for some people, including video editors like myself, moving huge projects from computer to computer. Just in general, more bandwidth is nice. It's not going to be some amazing revolutionary thing, but I don't hear it being talked about very much so i'm gonna go underhyped i think that it is going to be so expensive to buy thunderbolt 5 drives in the first two years of it being out that it almost does not matter like when we had when we first had thunderbolt 3 everyone was like oh my god 40

gigabits per second you can move data so quickly you can attach an e-gpu to it but everything related to thunderbolt 3 was like obnoxiously expensive and that's just prohibitive for anyone that wants to use anything with it so yeah yeah yeah i would say it's not even being hyped at all nobody's even talking about besides us we're the only ones talking about it yeah like apple and apple will like mention it yeah and it'll be like they didn't even mention it i think they did it was one they were like it was on the little like you know the sheet they put up at the end with all the it'll be like thunderbolt 5 and you're like oh and that was it yeah what about thunderbolt 6 that

might be my perfectly what about wi-fi 7 that might be my perfectly high because it's so expensive that it's prohibitively expensive but nobody's really talking about it so it's yeah it's fair i'm gonna say that's my perfectly hyped all right totally go under under just because no one's talking about it i mean yeah besides us not enough people i'm sure there's other people talking about it but i don't think anybody well when i say us i mean like the tech okay i just want to make sure people don't think we are the literally the only people nobody's talking about apple pro res pro res yeah overhyped overhyped hard agree is it hyped that much yeah but would be a different situation apple literally said progress log

pro res log that's the one i meant under under hyped really yeah i think the difference in quality between pro res log with a LUT on it and regular pro res is insane dramatic but you really really need a very large capacity phone to actually take advantage of it yeah and it's also like where are you publishing it because if you're just sharing it on like a text thread with your friends, they might not even notice. Or care. But if you're going to put it on YouTube or maybe an Instagram reel, maybe some people might notice.

It kind of depends on who the audience is for the thing. But to me, just watching back my own footage, huge difference. Yeah. So I like it. I'm going to go underhyped. Underhyped. You're staying staying true i'll stay over it's so much data it is every time marquez is like i just grabbed a couple clips

on my phone and we're like all right cool we have to wait half an hour to get this off i know i still have not a lot of people have tweeted at me and messaged at me being like this is how you get the prores log data off my phone i promise you I've tried every method you're suggesting and my phone just freezes and crashes. So it's not... It takes years. Maybe it's too much data. I don't know. It's too much. Yeah. Samsung One UI. Do people overhyped?

Overhyped. Yeah. I really don't like Samsung's UX and I haven't liked it in a very long time. The new One UI has gotten some very positive feedback i've noticed how are we on 15 when you're like 15 no i think well android 15 but i guess it's like one you what is it seven seven yeah one ui 7.0 yeah yeah the icons look terrible in youtube tech circles it is getting hype outside that, I don't know that I see anyone else talking about it.

Yeah, I feel like we almost have to look at it inside tech circles, but I also... Inside tech circles, it's maybe overhyped. Yeah, overhyped. In the general corpus of... My aunt has a Samsung phone, and she has no idea. It's just a software update she's like oh they changed some stuff yeah pretty under i went back to like a samsung phone and my last one was in 2017 i think and i always missed it but i was on google and like kind of stock android and i

thought it looked so much better and the ui was nicer and the thing kind of holding me back was like i really just don't love the icons and now I'm on it and I just don't care at all. It's totally fine. It works. It still looks good. Whatever. It's just different I guess and you get used to it. Every

UI thing is like I just have to get used to it again and then you get used to it and then you never think about it. I will say I need to try One UI 7 because I've not tried it and then you never think about it so i will say i need to try when you i7 because i've not tried it and so i should not have an opinion on it yet but i don't think seven is out for a lot of things it's coming out yeah it's like rolling out slowly but i just have never liked samsung's icons since when you i i think their icons are probably the worst looking yeah i would agree agreed yeah fresh photo paint i'm going overhyped just because of the

youtube channel i mean there's gonna be people who are extremely excited for one ui7 and that's totally again every utility has a crowd that's like let's go this is my thing i'll probably go overhyped on it too okay if there's people really excited about it, I think it's a worse-looking UI than the... Pixel UI looks better. Pixel UI, yeah, but, like, it's totally fine, and it's working perfectly for me. Nice. All right.

MagSafe. Wait, on laptops or on phones? Yeah, on phones. Oh. The iPhone's, like, MagSafe? Yeah. Oh, well, okay. I think it's pretty perfectly hyped.

iPhone MagSafe? You used yours, man. I know. You used yours. I know know you gotta pick over under oh i'm gonna say under because i think it's a thing that when it first came out people were like that's cool there might be an accessory ecosystem for this there wasn't for a long time and people felt like it was overhyped for a while but it's it's cascading effects having moved to both chi 2.0 and also all the android case manufacturers now making magnetic phone cases that work with the ecosystem i think that quantifies as being underhyped because it had such cascading effects to the rest of all mobile stuff i think it's underhyped because i don't

think the android atmosphere understands how good it is it is just some magnets and i totally understand that and when chi 2 comes out it's going to be the same thing and i'm just gonna be happy for that but man i i'd be lying if i said i didn't pick my last phone making sure that it had a case with magsafe compatibility with it it's a huge deal kind of why i went for i liked my zen phone a lot but i had to put a stupid sticker on the back that i know wasn't perfectly aligned to have magsafe then couldn't put a case on it i think it's the best accessory for smartphones period damn you guys just swayed me i was going to say overhyped but and it's because of what you said like there was a whole bunch of promise and then for like a year

nothing happened and it was like oh i guess mag guess MagSafe is kind of a dud. And then slowly in the background, there's just all these MagSafe things popping up. Now everyone I know with an iPhone has some kind of MagSafe, something happening, whether it's a car mount or a case with a charger or whatever. And I actually had a non-Apple company tell me about an accessory that they made for their own phone, and they called it MagSafe compatible. They told me to my face in a briefing that it was MagSafe compatible, and I was like, did you say that by accident, or it's MagSafe compatible? They're like, yeah, MagSafe. They didn't say Chi 2. So yeah, this world of everything's got to have MagSafe is totally real. So I now lean underhyped it's actually

coming around i think utilitarian utility wise it is like really high up there i think it's also underhyped because people with iphones it's just like a pretty average thing they have now and they're not that hyped about it and then people who just don't use it are like it's just a stupid magnet which is i love that they're sick yeah think about it magnet invisible force sick yeah underhyped for sure i'm in next one the ps5 controller underhyped underhyped i love the ps5 controller if you play astro bot then you're gonna say underhyped no dude it's so good and it's underhyped because not enough developers are taking advantage of it i still i feel like it's like magsafe like when we played that initial

demo and we were like this is the greatest controller ever made and then we got like a little bit in occasional games but not that much the new astrobot game the new one is crazy yeah i want more games to use features like that like the sprint button in 2k when you hold the right trigger as your character gets more tired it's harder like that, like the sprint button in 2K when you hold the right trigger. As your character gets more tired, it's harder and harder to push to sprint. That's in like feel his hamstring snap. Yeah, yeah. Immersive.

Under-hype, under-hype for sure. Dang. Overhyped. Overhyped. Because the Xbox controller is and has always been better than the PlayStation controller. Disagree. Really, even now? Disagree. Really? Even now?

Disagree. What up, YouTube shorts? I've always thought the Xbox controller layout is better than the PlayStation controller layout. Well, okay, so that's the difference. The layout is better. Which means it is a better controller. Ergonomically, it's better. Correct.

But. Which means it is a better controller. Tactility matters and like durability matters. Battery life is actually pretty trash on is a better controller. Tactility matters and durability matters. Battery life is actually pretty trash on the PS5 controller, I will say. I haven't played many consoles in a long time. Me neither. I think the offset joysticks on an Xbox controller is so much better than the joysticks on a PlayStation controller. I agree.

And that completely takes the cake in every aspect possible because i wish i could figure out why like i i agree when i use it i'm like oh yeah this is more natural but it's offset i don't know why it's better but it is but the ps5 controller as a whole though i i like the ps5 controller but the xbox controller is better and i think more people think the ps5 controller or playstation controller is better which in turn for the game i think makes it overhooked you think more people think it's better than the i think more people think the ps5 controller or playstation controller is better which in turn for the game i think makes it over you think more people think it's better than the i think more people think playstation controller is better man this is the this is the most argued about thing in technology more than android versus iphone oh more than anything yeah we think that's bad the the playstation xbox fight is it's pretty serious It's been that way since I was a wee lad.

Fistfight in the parking lot talking about Xbox versus PlayStation. It's crazy. Yeah, I have to say I have not used a console besides the Switch in like a really long time, and the Switch controllers are bad. The idea is incredible. Great idea. Very difficult to execute. They really need to switch to official Hall effects.

Because you can replace it with Hall effects joysticks. Or you can buy third party joysticks. Anyway, we're off track. I have not really used the PS5 slash Xbox controllers that much. I think that the PS5 one looks better. But that doesn't really matter that much it doesn't matter that much Xbox does have an incredible like Xbox controller design lab and all their collabs and everything is cool easy

compatibility yeah PC so does also Xbox has PC he's a PS 5 has also no wait i say xbox oh i do okay sorry i was like yeah xbox does too okay most of the x most of the windows stuff is more native yeah more native yeah that's fair i'm pretty sure you can do both that's fair i don't i'm not i don't have an opinion i would say almost every rocket league person i see is using a playstation controller it seems like oh interesting because they're always the ones who have like the little ui in their stream that shows what buttons they're pressing and how fast they're doing it to hit their like that's cool the rocket league shots that make zero sense but yeah i will say i think the touchpad thing in the center of the ps5 controller is kind of overhyped because nobody

ever utilized it that much isn't it for like typing pretty much like you have when you have to type in like exactly that's kind of an easier way it for like typing pretty much like you have when you have to type in like exactly kind of an easier way it feels like a redundant extra technology that probably costs more and they nobody's really using yeah it's kind of like a menu selection pad like every car has a little touch pad in the middle yeah and you like move on the touch pad to select your icon on the screen it's kind of just that yeah but i think that the the pressure sensitive uh it is awesome yeah those are amazing it's really cool yeah okay all right i think that the the pressure sensitive uh it is awesome yeah those are amazing it's really cool yeah okay all right how are we feeling a couple more of these yeah a

couple more yeah i haven't used my i love this game i'm perfectly um yeah i know i'm trying to get you guys to say it but you keep talking yourself into corners adam's like having a child over hot alright on that note PS5 Pro we don't have it it seems to be widely hated wait really just cause it's $700

just cause it's $700 that is tough and yeah you I think graphics you get aren't actually correct me if I'm wrong cause I haven't seen

that many videos yet but it's not that much better is it no it's barely noticeable cause games have to take advantage of it and it's like with the ps5 you have to choose between like yes really good graphics ray tracing or high resolution but or frame rate frame rate yeah it's like quality of of image or frame rate and so right right yeah and so with

this one you could get both allegedly yeah but what. Yeah. This is the Por Que No Los Dos PS5. I mean, I've seen the graphics are better. Sure. Just marginally. Yeah. From what I've seen. I think the Verge's review was centered around, like, how close are you sitting to your TV? Because if you are sitting really close, then it matters.

And if you're not, then it does not. There are, like, articles about can you tell the difference between the PS5 and PS5 Pro? And if you have to ask that question, I feel like it's overhyped. But it is cool that the people who don't care and just want to spend the money can get both if they want it. Yeah. Do you think they could make a PS5 chill

that's just one that you can actually put in your living room and doesn't look like a spaceship? Oh, yeah, it's the Mac Mini. Chill. The PS5 chill. Yeah, just put it in your living room and doesn't look like a spaceship oh yeah it's the mac mini chill the ps5 chill yeah just put it put it in your media center and just close the door yeah that's that's how you win with that fair so okay uh now that we are on the other side of mia the robot and have colossus i want to know do you guys think Mia is overrated, underrated, perfectly rated? In my

circles, Mia is overrated. Is your circle like you, me, and Brandon? And Vin? For the robot arm circle is like us and Sean, the guy who created it it's uh it's

youtubers i've talked to about it okay but no one else has any of them so correct no one else has them but mia only unlocked a small fraction of what we aimed to do with the robot arm colossus unlocked everything we wanted to do like the full 360s the the big wide movements mia was like me it was just like a tiny little taste and we were like oh what if we could what and we only learned of like the things we wanted to do because of having mia right how long do we have that in two years damn motorized precision ladder they got me they got me so good so yes i ended up buying both but um mia would be overrated in my opinion and then colossus could easily be underrated it does everything yeah it's smoother it's bigger it's faster it does everything all the angles yeah colossus is incredible power supply

room also true ipad and it's worth it it is worth it the mia is the sickest lamp right now that's true it's it's got to be overrated yeah okay so mia or clausus i'm going mia oh mia is overrated for sure the fact that we bought a robot arm and couldn't even do a 360 around a phone we were like oof that was a little tough you can do that with a gimbal so yeah damn true okay uh still make cool stuff with it we made some really cool stuff with it yeah we made it work next top down shots whoa i'm gonna go my perfectly hyped that's perfectly hyped i think it's become a staple of tech reviews in general i think it's a fun way to add creativity and flair to looking at the same form factor of a thing 800 times a year um i think it adds to the video aspect and production quality

of what we're doing and without taking away you know it's not taking away from what we're talking about just to be like creative and artistic so i feel like i feel the same way about top downs that david feels about hour-long video essays like explain i think i see a lot of really weak top downs on the internet and i'm like i know you're you're trying to do a top down because you saw top downs and top downs look cool yeah but you can really get in the weeds with like what makes a good proper top down and how how it's lit and how it's set up and how you're framed and all these other things and i think you can work your way up to appreciating the hype of a good top down so i i think i'm with you i think it's right around perfectly i don't think it makes or breaks a video but when you see someone who like nailed

one you're like that looks really good yeah and there are some creators out there that you'll just be like oh that was good they spent like a little extra time on that and it just shows that you like care a lot about the video that you're making and there's also like you would think it's just a simple thing where you could you could do everything you've ever thought of in a year of top downs and every year there's something new that happens in the world of top downs or that we see that we never thought of that i go oh yeah we should do that wow that's that's a totally i had never thought of that we should move the table up into focus instead of the camera down all these crazy things i think yeah there's a deep a deep appreciation for that in my world anyway getting the lighting right for a top down is very hard

it is i tried my first top down ever uh many years ago and with this video and it's just there's so many shadows so many to be fair i only had one it was a huge softbox but i only had one you already got a nice side accent light going on that's that's yeah right that's already another dimension people that didn't come up till like year four of me doing top downs do you remember the one time we started making a set? This was up in Studio B, so upstairs. We made the set and we were kind of like, this looks like we're looking straight at it, not down at it.

So we created this entire scene that made it look like it was standing upright on a counter. And then the intro of it was we pulled all the things away and the phone stayed there because it was looking down not looking forward it looked like a bookshelf shot that became a top-down shot with the movement of the props on the yeah pretty sick so you guys have all used you're perfectly hyped i think i'm going perfectly hype yeah there it is okay next usbc there it is okay next usbc underhyped underhyped yeah why because still not enough things have been updated with it yet even though most things are getting updated with it and it is so frustrating to only bring one cable and then always run into like the one or two things that just don't have it

i think that's why i'm not overhyped so you're overhyped because if you talk to a regular person about how the front ones are usbc and the back ones are thunderbolt and this one you can use this cable and that one you can't their eyes glaze over before you even finish the sentence okay well are we talking about the spec inside of the usbc port or are we talking about just the usbc port existing as a shape yeah as a thing that exists as an io it's not the shape's fault that everyone's made it so damn confusing but it well yeah yeah you're right but it's 3.2 gen 4 we want it to be one universal thing and that's that was the hype of usbc and it's not that there's a bunch of things

inside it's half that at least yeah we made like this we finally maybe have gotten to the point where the shape is universal and then we made it infinitely more confusing by adding a bunch of different specs to it yeah my thing is like as long as the shape is universal that's good enough for me because if the data transfer is slower than i want it to be i can get over that but i can't get over not having the right cable and so always having one cable that is the right cable no matter if it's like you fully usbc'd out your whole everything the only thing i don't have the usbc is my airpods because i didn't i didn't want to buy new airpods just to get that where i let's charge them most of the time and now i use um i use the pixel buds mostly now so yeah i'm pretty usbc kitted out it is nice to know now that if i ever do get anything that

has to be charged and it doesn't have usbc i know that it's just some white labeled crap or really yeah yeah yeah true like the fact that like really terrible bluetooth speakers that cost like 10 micro usb well some of them are even usbc now like we're getting to that point where even the total garbage at usbc and god it still took the logitech g pro like up to a year ago to get usbc charge i say under hype because i want it to be more hype so that people can freaking move over already it's like almost there magic mouse is there finally magic trackpad is there yeah great um airpads max are there airpads airpods max oh uh magic keyboard yeah i mean all of apple's

accessories are right yeah like every single one except uh as of i think yeah now they are every single one are there yeah thank god thank god the polishing cloth we made it that is that is one last one one last one what about polishing cloth i legit okay look somehow under hype hot as hell i think it's under it's the only one that works on the pro display it's also just so good there's a lot of microfiber cloths out there they all kind of work very often they leave like little micro fibers on the display that you're thinking and then you have to wipe it off and if you wipe it off with your hand then there's another smudge and it's this endless cycle of microfibering and wiping it off with your finger the polishing cloth i understand it's 20 there's tears 19 yeah okay look yeah yeah

there's it's not that bad. It could be worse. Here's the three tiers of microfibers. Tier one is you just wipe it on your shirt. Whatever your shirt is made of, who cares? I'm just getting a bunch of smudges off. There's something on my phone. I just got it off. That's tier one.

Tier two is any of the microfibers that come built in for free with your case. Oh, those are terrible. Any random microfiber you can just get. They always have jagged edges for some reason. Glasses. Yeah, glasses. They were cut with those scissors. The kid scissors.

But with those at least, they're an actual dedicated microfiber, and they'll probably clean your phone. One time. Those are basically single-use. Kind of single-use. And then tier three is the good microfibers, which include apples and like apples

that are like actually decent materials which are and this kind of bleeds into the like car world where like you buy a microfiber to clean your car and there are like the ones that like pinch fibers out in the corners of when you clean the door and you want the like good thick one that actually cleans the car yeah anyway i think there's those three tiers apple is clearly in the upper tier is it in a tier of its own only with the nanotexture devices maybe and for people with sensory issues do you know when you like grab a microfiber cloth and just like sends a shiver up your spine a ton of little pins like pushing into your fingers i think it happens more if you have like calluses for some reason but there's like this i've never

experienced times where you touch like microfiber and it just feels like it's touching your hand really weird because it feels like the fibers are like are like hooking onto your and the apple one yeah i think i know what you're talking about like vin for christmas a couple years ago got me one for my car and it's like something you're just supposed to keep in your dash every time i pick it up it feels like these little hooks grab into my hand i think i know it's so hard to describe i'm just kidding no i think i think i know what you're talking about is it is it like if you have like a little like a nick on your nail or something and it grabs it is that what you mean no it's like it's like it grabs the little follicles of my fingers i've never felt that interesting maybe you're turning into spider-man i think there's yeah it's a very real thing i'm looking at a bunch of reddit threads

right now why can't i touch microfiber r slash no stupid questions i'm telling you today i learned yeah no idea so i will say yeah it feels like apple's polishing cloth is beyond microfiber it is like nano fiber yeah and that because of that it doesn't feel like it's like hooking into my skin nice it's because my spine is like tingly it's like a low it's a low pile carpet super super small fibers right that wasn't on my list but i'm glad we ended there yeah if anyone can accurately describe what it feels like to touch a microfiber with like a sensory issue please say in the comments yeah hooks if you made it this far please please i might have one in my desk drawer i could show you i'll i'll pick it up i've had all kinds of like i would love to figure this out okay um

okay well we should sign out soon but before we do that you've been thinking about those trivia questions right david you look like you have not studied for this test i have not wonderful oh wait oh yeah i'm going quick update on the score while they get the boards ready marquez with 22. i don't have a pen andrew with 26. extra pen please dav extra pen, please? David with 23. Dang. All right. First question. I'm not that far behind.

Which of these is not a popular real EV slash hybrid car in China? A, the BYD Jam. B, the Wuling Bingo. C, the Aito M7. Or D, the Zeeker 001 Don't overthink it. There's no way to either overthink or underthink this. I have perfectly thought this.

It is chaos. It is just entropy. There's no way. I'm sticking thought this. It is chaos. It is just entropy. There's no way. Perfectly thought this. I don't know how to spell it either. That's fine. Spelling doesn't count here. All right, Flip, Em, and Reed, what do you got?

You two put the same, right? B, yeah. The bingo. You both put the Wu-Ling bingo? Yeah. Nope. It's the Zeekers. I put the jam Ling Bingo? Yeah. Nope. It's the Zeekers. There's hope.

I put the Jam. The BYD Jam? Yes. Correct. Let's go. Really? The BYD Jam. I've just heard some BYD names.

I hadn't heard the Jam. There's a BYD song that is like the most popular one, I believe. But I just changed it to Jam. Dang. Huh. Got me. Got me. Andrew has just taken the lead.

Jam? Sweet Car Name. Just saying taking the lead jam the sweet car name just saying jam would be a sweet car name i know it's not too late byd all right question number two which app was not made by apple the logic remote clips apple motion or full deck solitaire an app that you can download for your iPhone iPad or Mac but it's made by Apple wait wait it's made by Apple not made by Apple I thought yeah you say I know which one is not made okay that's what I mean I'm just clarifying you guys ready thank you yeah all right what do you got you all have different answers we all have different answers okay david what do you have i put clips clips that's real that is real that one's real i put logic remote logic remote

that is also real i think it's full deck solitaire full deck solitaire yeah there we go nice microsoft i was hoping no that the full deck is a an actual app that i believe a mother-daughter team made which is pretty cool no i'm just saying microsoft always includes solitaire on their i was hoping it would trip you up if i i was hoping one of the ones that basically had apple in the name was a trick question so i thought logic remote you're just like oh logic apple but the remote maybe was a third party speaking of logic remote and jam do you guys remember itunes jams yeah way back in the day they've tried some weird stuff with itunes it was so it was the spotify jams but it was called

itunes dj not jams it's called itunes dj if you're on the same wi-fi network you could go on itunes and you could vote on songs in the queue and it would move around the queue based on what people wanted it was a fully democratic iphone or i i tunes music listening What was the other thing they did? The social network inside of iTunes. That was called Ping. Ping. Yeah. Ping. Yeah.

That was also a weird one. That was an idea. So I just miss the DJ or whatever it was called. Well, now you got the Spotify AI DJ. Yeah. That's great. But Spotify jams like break all the time. You know what's worse than Spotify jams though

is the Apple Music Airplay? I don't use it. Airplay or? Don't use it. Overrated. It's just it never works. The thing where you allow other people to add to your queue, it just never works. It's broken as hell.

Anyway, sorry. Anyway, well hey that was a fun episode and I'm glad we got all the way to the end and had a bunch of stuff to talk about uh next week still probably a bunch more mac stuff because we have the macbook pro reviews coming out but much much more send us stuff you want us to talk about too if you have stories or fun stuff in the tech world but until then thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for subscribing catch you guys in the next one peace waveform is produced by adam alina and ellis rovin We're partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network

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