Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - What We Expect from the Apple Event!

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

Marques and Andrew discuss a few quick topics of the week (like the new Dodge Charger having a a "fake" engine sound) before diving deep into what they expect to see from the Apple event on September 7th. Then they talk about the new Xiaomi Mi Fold 2 and the state of foldable smartphones. A little EV news, some Apple predictions, and then some folding phone impressions: it's a classic Waveform episode!  Links: Twitch story: https://bit.ly/wvfrm130Twitch Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and we'll talk about that. But also, the Apple event has a bunch of rumors. It's coming up. We don't know when it's happening exactly, but we do have a lot of predictions, so we'll get to those. And we'll also wrap it up with potentially our new favorite folding phone form factor. That's a tongue twister. It's also an alliteration. Look it up, kids. All right. First, we're going to start, though, with- That was a banger intro. Just saying. Appreciate that. Good job. I felt pretty good about that. But we want to talk Twitch first. Oh, yeah. Alliterations are fun.

But you have this Twitch thing on the dock. So what is this? It's a quick update from the last... Do you remember the last time we talked about Twitch, how a lot of their stuff with partners was changing? Mostly revenue split. Oh, yeah. So one update we got was the thing I was most interested about, which was Twitch partners being allowed to stream on different platforms. And so we got the update on that, and it's a little different than what we thought,

and it's not quite what the headlines seem to make it think, but I think it's kind of interesting. So I'll just explain it to you really quickly. So when we mentioned it previously, I mentioned how it could be cool if you are streaming on Twitch and to potentially grow extra audience, you would multi-stream.

There's a few programs that let you stream over multiple websites at once because it's essentially just like sending out a stream key and those websites are pulling that in. So you could potentially stream on Twitch and say YouTube or Facebook, something like that, have three streams going at once and audiences from everywhere. You're not allowed to do that. Makes sense. So you are not allowed to simultaneously stream on other web-based platforms

like YouTube and Facebook. So that eliminates multi-streaming. You are, however, allowed to stop your Twitch stream and then go stream on YouTube or Facebook. Of course. Which I'll talk about that in a minute. One thing you are allowed to do is that you can simulcast on mobile-based social medias like TikTok and Instagram. Oh, I thought you were going somewhere else

so that when you said it can't be web-based, I was thinking it can only be TV or maybe literally radio or something else like that. I thought TikTok was web-based, but I can see, okay, so TikTok, Instagram Live, those types of things are allowed? You thought radio? I mean, I would love to listen to Shroud on AM radio. It's definitely not web-based. That's why I was going with that. Okay, so you can do, yeah, TikTok and IG Live. Yes. So I actually, I do think this is actually a really cool idea. Um, I have been seeing one thing I've noticed on

TikTok is I get a lot of random kind of streamers who I've seen grow to like partner level streams solely from like TikTok discovery, because we've talked about how great of a tool TikTok is in terms of discovery. And I've seen people, what they've talked about how great of a tool TikTok is in terms of discovery. And I've seen people, what they essentially do is they'll have a TikTok channel that's kind of all about their setup and how they stream and what hours they stream and how they do this and maybe some tips for new streamers. And it does really well. And the way that they'll get people to go to their actual live stream is they hold up their phone, do a TikTok live pointing to just them, but not pointing to their stream.

And people can see that they're playing and then they'll go to a link to the stream. I do get those live TikToks once in a while when I'm scrolling through, it'll arrive at a live stream. I almost always just skip because if nothing is happening at that very moment, I'm just moving on to the next thing. But theoretically, a non-zero number of people will go, what's happening here? I kind of want to know what this person is doing

or what game they're playing or something. Exactly. And it's also really interesting because some people are really good at it. Some people are really good at interacting with that. But I've seen a couple of Valorant streamers who are just like dialed in and you'll just see them doing nothing like super close to their microphone and their phones like right in front of their face and then you just hear them like trash talking their team or something like that and you wonder but um with this now those people would be able to despite being a twitch partner and having a contract with twitch and getting paid through

twitch they would be able to share that screen through that so they could develop some sort of better way for discovery is the way that I see it. Got it. And that makes sense. I guess the other way around isn't as restrictive. If you're not a Twitch partner and you are doing a YouTube live stream anyway, you might as well also do that on Twitch just because you can. so that is the thing that i um the reason i don't think this is quite as open as some people are saying a lot of people are praising twitch um which i do think it is a good step forward but not quite what everyone's saying um because if you're a big streamer on twitch and you would be allowed to multi-stream to youtube or facebook there's no downsides to that, right?

Like you are just getting potential extra audience and not sacrificing your Twitch audience. With what they actually allow, where you have to end your Twitch stream and then go to YouTube, that only feels like a big risk to me because at any point you're not streaming on the platform where you're partnered and make the best money. If you're streaming on somewhere else,

you could have just been using that time to stream over there. So it's not quite as open. It would be awesome. But I also, Twitch is a business. I understand it. I don't like to give them credit for it, but it makes sense. Yeah. That's funny. Twitch is such a, like a, it's live streaming in general is such a different skill. Like I don't think people understand how hard it is to live stream and be entertaining and be good at whatever you're doing on the live stream and i can't imagine trying to do that for two different live platform audiences at the same time because i find you have to engage with the chat in some way if you're engaging with the twitch

chat like you normally do but there's also a separate tiktok chat happening and you want to actually make use of that and paying attention to both that seems like yeah really hard so that is the reason that twitch says they don't want to allow it because it would lead to a suboptimal experience for the chat because you'd have to have multiple chat logs but there are some twitch partners who have older contracts. One of them is Linus and he is allowed to do stuff like that. So Linus does actually do that. And not only that,

he's including the floatplane chat as well. So like it is possible out there. There is also a lot of when you're at that top, top level of streaming, chat starts to become not far less doable. Shroud cannot read his chat. You can't read the chat, but you got to engage in some way, right?

Are there streamers that are just streaming, playing the game, talking into the abyss, and you never really expect them to read anything you type or interact ever? So there definitely are streamers that are big enough where they're just pretty much not interacting with chat anymore. Then there are some really big ones who interact with chat but at a certain point what you're interacting with is like the hive mind of chat rather than like

an individual comment here and there exactly what you mean so i don't think that would actually be um like sacrificed at all if you because if you have like a youtube chat and a twitch chat mine is taking up screen space like say you're playing valorant and you just hit like a nasty shot or have a really good round the chat's just gonna be spamming a bunch of like that was crazy and like that was so nice that was clean and you can still interact you do like a like a live real-time sentiment analysis in your in your head as you see like the text and and emojis and stuff roll through now all i can think of is like uh streamers with the like math appearing above their head all the time and like finding what to react and say to is basically like that it's it's crazy it's hard yeah it's a job uh i do want to talk though though, about this Dodge Charger that's coming out.

So first of all, Dodge has announced they're actually going to stop making combustion engine chargers and challengers, which was, you know, it's a choice. Every manufacturer can either decide to keep going with the same name but turn it electric or, like, sort of do this rebrand thing. name but turn it electric or like sort of do this rebrand thing and i actually talk about this in the upcoming ionic video which might be live by the time that this video is which is like every car manufacturer who's doing their first ev has a massive opportunity to rebrand however you want yeah like there is no preconceived notion about what the dodge ev is going to be until they decide is it going to be a premium thing is going to be just like the gas car what are they going to be until they decide. Is it going to be a premium thing? Is it going to be just like the gas car? What are they going to do? And so this opportunity from Dodge was they're going to make this Dodge Charger Daytona SRT, which is their first EV. And it's going to be attempting to appeal to the exact person that would have bought the gas version.

Yes. And so the way they're doing that is by making it as similar as possible. Visually it looks just like a normal charger. I will definitely say that despite not being a muscle car fan, I like this step. This feels like the F-150 step of using familiarity in terms of changing, not like the Mustang step, which is like, hey, you guys like deep muscle cars, here's a crossover. The Mustang one is always confusing to me because it's like half rebrand, half not rebrand.

It's like you wanted to use the Mustang name, but to a totally different group of people who doesn't really associate with Mustangs at all. So that was a weird one. But yeah, like you said, F-150. This one makes a really loud noise, which obviously isn't a real exhaust noise because it's an electric car,

but they really leaned into it. They were like, this is going to be the EV that you can hear coming. It'll be up to 126 decibels. The whole presentation was about how loud and obnoxious this car is going to be just like the gas car. Fun fact, that decibel level is over the legal noise limit

in some cities like New York and LA, apparently. just like the gas car. Fun fact, that decibel level is over the legal noise limit in some cities like New York and LA. Perfect. Perfect. That's exactly what we were aiming for. If you somehow made it onto the runway of an airport and you were standing 200 feet away from an airliner taking off,

that would register at about 130 decibels. So this car and they they like i said they they played it over and over again they had it pull out from behind this fog and rev this noise i don't actually know how you get this noise to happen maybe i assume you just match it with the pedal input but it uh we'll give you guys a sound preview of what we're talking about. It doesn't sound like a gas car, but it sounds like a revving motor of some kind. It's not that bad. It's not the worst noise in the world.

The comments are hilarious to me. One of the top comments on YouTube is, Bose is about to be the biggest aftermarket exhaust company. This is a, so there's so many thoughts on this. First, number one, I think fundamentally, it's just playing noise from a speaker. And it sounds to me like it's playing noise from a speaker. Now, that's not what they're going to call it.

They're going to call it, they have this, what do they call, they have this fancy word for it actually. Yeah. I would also be interested to hear this in person because the sound we're hearing is from like a cell phone recording. It's muffled. In like a crowd. So I guess it's hard to tell exactly what is like potentially peaking and like getting

messed up from the speaker or what is from the microphone of the smartphone. That is very fair. But they're calling it a patent-pending fratsonic chambered exhaust system. So it will play the sound and amplify it through the exhaust or where the exhaust would be because it's an EV and there is no exhaust. The point is it sounds to me like, okay,

you know how Teslas have a little tiny speaker on the outside and you can play whatever sound you want through it? Your horn is its own thing, but if you want to map your horn to a different sound, it'll use that little speaker on the outside of the car and you hit the horn and it plays like, you know, music or a fart sound or whatever else you think sounds like

what you want your horn to sound like it's not as loud as a horn because it's a waterproof speaker and to me i want to hear this in person because to me if it's 126 decibels clearly it's very loud but it still sounds like a speaker which is kind of cheesy to me anyway i put it on twitter i pulled i kind of was like is this what most car people are actually into and my responses i would say are 20 hell yes we want this to be loud this is exactly what i was hoping for 80 this is a shame i hate this i'm really weirded out by the fact that they put a speaker in this car yeah I think the like the overall what people are gonna think of this is I feel like it almost needs a third option of like I will never buy an EV and I will hate everything that happens to EVs because I'm a

purist and I wonder if some of the but I do think overall um kind of something you mentioned on Twitter actually was like that this is one of those things we're going to look back at. Oh, yeah. This is my like think piece as I zoomed out further and further on this thought, which is, okay, we're in 2022 right now, which is like this sort of an interesting, awkward development stage where you have to convince someone to get an electric car. development stage where you have to convince someone to get an electric car and sometime in the future and like let's say a hundred years let's go like everything every car is electric everyone's selling nothing but electric cars and i think we're going to look back at 2022 as like remember when we had to like make the electric cars kind of act like gas cars to get people to see the benefits because i don know, feature development to me

is more and more taking advantage of the fact that it's an electric car and you have all these things that you can do with it that you couldn't do with a gas car. So things like having a front trunk, things like having regenerative braking, things like being completely silent. And all of these things I think are advantages

to being an electric car. being completely silent. And all of these things I think are advantages to being an electric car. But at every level, I see versions of reversing that to try to act more like a gas car. Even Tesla's done it. Tesla had a creep mode. I don't know if you remember this, where when you take your foot off the brake pedal, it would start to roll forward like a gas car. You said they took that away, right? They took that away. But initially that was so that people who are used to a gas car would get used to the feeling, but that's literally just accelerating the electric motors to feel like a gas car. It's a waste of energy. Yeah. I do. I do think like I kind of, if you're coming from a gas to an EV, they should have like a slow rollout of maybe you can't enable creep but creep should be like

enabled and slowly bring you into more and more regenerative so you can I am someone who doesn't use it and when I have to drive the camera car the first 10 minutes feels like I'm just slamming on the brakes I agree with you and I was gonna agree but I think like a car is such a long-term purchase that you should just get used to it because there are so many advantages to all these things i'm talking like a month yeah yeah yeah because there's also things so i'm talking about like the noise here right so driving an electric car many of them have realized that it is a huge advantage to be perfectly silent but a lot of the sports car and or muscle car audiences who really like the sound are maybe a little bit jarred at first by having a

silent car it feels like you know no soul to it no character whatever so they're for years they're going to look for electric cars that have noise and this is like them catering to that there's also fake shifting did you hear about the fake shifting in the dodge i didn't hear about in the dodge so another advantage to an electric car is you have motors that generate torque at all rpms at very high speeds and it's almost like this linear acceleration there's no inefficient shifting to match revs and all this stuff it just happens and you just go uh the dodge will have simulated feeling of shifts by literally slowing you down to make it feel like you're shifting

that's hilarious to me because in like 10-20 years we're going to look back like remember when that Dodge did that thing where they tried to slow it down to feel more like a gas car that was really funny I can't believe they're actually doing that it's a lot of things that I do think we're going to look back

and think is really funny, but I also think that are potentially necessary right now in the changeover. To get people to switch. Yes. I am all for any gimmick, especially like, I think this fake sound is going to be something that you have on for the first week, week or two,

turn it off, and then once in a while turn on for like a friend or like wanting to do something fun. Um, but most of the time we'll just be turned off completely. I think it's, uh, I think these should all be things. And this is just from where I'm coming from, which is I'm very used to EVs already, but I think they should all be off by default and you can enable them if it lets you get used to it faster, like creep mode or like Porsche lets you turn on the sound. It's off by default in normal drive modes, but you can turn it on. Things like that, like I just, there's so many advantages to an EV,

like fundamentally and ergonomically and efficient-wise. Why would you throw that away to feel more like a gas car? But then again, you're right. There's people who are going to just feel totally out of their element in a car that doesn't look anything like their old car. I think the problem is going back to creep mode, which I think is not exactly what we're talking about, but the transition is if you enable full-blown regenerative braking

on a Tesla and someone's test driving it, and then that 20-minute test drive is just forward, back, forward, back, If you enable full-blown regenerative braking on a Tesla and someone's test driving it, and then that 20-minute test drive is just forward, back, forward, back, they might be like, I don't know about that, and then go back and buy a different car. And I do think these small things, just to get people in the seat and then, like you said, get used to it. I think the ideal thing for creep mode would be starts defaulted on after one month it says like would you like to try regenerative braking like you can save a bunch

of energy this way and then do like 20 or something like that and then it like steps you into it so you know what the ionic does what's that the ionic had paddle shifters which was interesting doesn't make any sense that paddle shifters is an electric car. It's one gear, but the paddle shifters specifically, uh, shift you between levels of region when you take your foot off the accelerator. And there was like four levels. And then the max level was like I pedal. I don't know why they name everything, but that's like full one pedal driving where you take it off and you go all the way to zero. Um, but you could have it fully coast like a normal gas car. And then you hit the left accelerator, the left paddle, and you get normal gas car. And then you hit the left paddle and you get a little bit of regen

and you hit the paddle again, you feel it slow down even more. That was kind of interesting. So you can adapt on your own to like go to one pedal driving and get used to that. But that is much more efficient to use regen. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do think like to take a step back from this whole thing and and everyone listening if we just it is really cool to think about that we are like in the experience of the transition from gas to electric vehicle like there have been a lot of big transitions throughout humankind and like i do think this is a pretty big one and it's cool that we get to see all these weird little things that they're doing to to do that transition and to eventually get to there where I do think, like you said, in a hundred years, we're going to look back on this and be like, that was kind of weird. That was kind of dumb. I can't believe people needed that to switch because now we're seeing all the benefits of it, but it does. You can't have 60 years of driving a gas car and

immediately want to switch to an EV. like there's just that little, that little ledge you have to jump off of to do it. Um, I did think of one reason the, uh, changing gears and the fake gears on the charger could be cool. A lot of people who buy muscle cars do like to drag race, but a reason for drag racing is like there is a skill involved in it not so it changes it from solely reaction time of flooring it off the start which is still a skill like you could do that but then everyone drag racing could just have a like ipad in front of them with a green dot that shows up and whoever hits it first would have been the winner um but like if it has you would have to mandate adding that on the gear shifting and then it would

take the actual skill base of gear shifting into something like that and then it's like for sport essentially yeah where you can like be bad at shifting and go slower yeah that but then you leave it off for normal every day yeah yeah because yeah drag racing is a subset of like the activity you do in your car yeah no that's fair it's just yeah it's funny looking back it's seeing all of the different things that they're trying um and then all the things that they're trying to like make it because there's also the other end of well it's electric so we got to make it feel electric so the f-150 lightning is basically just an f-150 there's some small differences it has a lightning bolt it has a lightning bolt on it they did feel the need to go headlight bar, taillight bar, which seems like a

trend with electric vehicles now. They're doing that. So there's some aesthetic things that they're doing, but you know, it even looks like it has a grill. It even looks like, you know, all the normal stuff, like an engine under the hood, even though it's just a huge front trunk. So there are lots of things that are fun to watch as far as making an EV in an age of gas cars. I'm excited to see this. I'm excited to see who might make the change, who might be interested in the sound, what people might do. But again, it's not for me. It's not my cup of tea. So I'll be interested to see who does, whose it is. I just wanted to throw out there that this is not a normal car company we're talking about.

This is Dodge. This is the company whose trim levels include Demon and Hellcat. This is the company who actively disappointed their fan base by announcing that they would not make a 700-horsepower minivan. that they would not make a 700-horsepower minivan. So I think as they reinvent themselves in the EV age, I hope they keep being insane. They seem to be leaning still very into that, into just being the Dodge Demon lovers,

the Durango Hellcat SRT fans. They're going to like some of this stuff stuff and that's what they're aiming for. I would very much like to see in the comments if you are excited for this, because like I think there's a group and I think that if there's anything that any company can do to get that group of like muscle car heads to be interested in EVs,

I think that is a worthwhile thing, especially if like, I can't imagine adding a speaker with a loud noise is that much R and D. It's the best that they could probably think of. Like if you were, if you were sitting in Dodge headquarters and you were like, all right, seems like the future is electric. I have like a slight accent now. Yeah. Seems like the future is electric, but you know, we make all these amazing gas cars. This is what happens to Bugatti right now. This is exactly what's happening to Bugatti.

The future is electric, but we still want to make the best performance cars for our fans. How do we get them to buy our first electric car? And then somebody in the corner is like, we put a really big speaker on the back so it sounds like a gas car? And they went, yeah, that's probably, yeah, I think that's going to work. That'll do. Here we go. So, yeah, we'll see. And they went, yeah, that's probably, yeah, I think that's going to work. I don't do. Here we go.

So yeah, we'll see. My hot take from Twitter, someone replied that it's basically the same thing as skeuomorphism from the early days. Remember when app designs all had like leather bound notebooks and like stitching and materials. And you were like, you're just trying to convince me it's a notebook, but I know it's not a notebook.

There's so many advantages to a digital notebook. Stop giving me a leather bound bezel. That's stupid. And now here we are. We don't use that anymore. I think that's a really good analogy. So yeah, I dig it. But there's a lot of people who hate minimalism too. So we'll see where that goes. All right. We've got to take a break. We'll come back. We got to do trivia, but then we're going to talk about the Apple event. So let's do trivia. back. We got to do trivia, but then we got to talk about the Apple event. So let's do trivia. All right, let's get into it. So prior to founding Apple, Steve Jobs worked as a technician for what 70s tech giant? A technician? I don't know. I have a hunch, but I don't actually know if it's the right hunch, but I guess we'll find out. Yes, we will. So be right back.

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Visit connectsontario.ca. All right, welcome back. I believe by the time you're watching this that we are probably within two to three weeks tops of Apple's September event. Typically one of the more highly anticipated events, especially considering the production value, us video nerds, we want to see it, but also the products that come out. Yeah. And yeah, we've definitely talked in spurts about probably each one of these things, but we're just going to put it all in one place. This is all the stuff that we're expecting

and maybe hoping for at this September event. Yeah, it's like the guide to get ready for the Apple event in September, which I think a lot of tech people see as kind of like the big peak of the craziness. This is the spike that starts all of the spikes. Yeah. Asterisk, Apple might do like two or three events to close out this year.

It seems like that's what they're doing more often. Yeah, like I don't think we're going to see a Mac Pro anytime at this event. I don't think we're going to see iPad-related stuff at this event. I think it's just going to be a few things. Probably, I guess we'll just say it. I think it's going to be iPhone 14 and related things. And if anything else, Apple Watch and AirPods. Am. Am I missing anything? I think, uh, yeah, I actually haven't. I, so we're going to be talking about a lot of things. Mark Gurman is usually the person that

I follow in these senses. So like I've basically written down a lot of things that Mark is predicting. I did not see an AirPods, but you never know with AirPods, they could just be releasing some new features, small updates, stuff like that. I think right now the rumored launch event is September 7th. Right, which would be like- About a week and a half from the release of this episode. All of my predictions about this stuff, I get, this is so funny, it's like evergreen advice.

I get people asking me like, hey, I just broke my phone. Should I buy the new iPhone now? And I just tell them like, well, typically September the new iPhones come out. And they're like, oh, that's really good advice. Because people tend to either forget or not really think about it too hard. Most people don't buy a new iPhone every year.

But it's like clockwork. It's always been like September 12th. I think I've flown on September 11th for like four years in a row because it's always the Apple event is either right before or right after that date. I would have, I was guessing the 14th because it seems to be Wednesday a lot. And I think it's been on the 14th or 15th is what I always remember in my head. So I would have guessed the week after, but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was a week sooner. It could move a whole week. Yeah. Cool. But yeah, we're, we're going to definitely see some iPhone 14 stuff, so we can start with that.

I have made, what, two videos during the course of this year about iPhone 14 possibilities. One of them being, what if this phone peaks and it uses the same silicon as last year, the same A15 Bionic? Interesting. And only the pro iPhones get a silicon upgrade. 15 Bionic. Interesting. And only the pro iPhones get a silicon upgrade. And then the other being the pill cutouts, the design being slightly different at the top. Yeah. And then the possibility of getting rid of the ports, but I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah. I think actually the biggest one, and we have talked about this in the past, is no mini, but having a

standard max. And I actually think that is awesome. Like it is to me, one of those things where I don't know how I've never thought about that being a thing. Cause we've always like, I guess in the past they have had just the regular and the max, but then once they broke the pro line, the pro line always had the max. Yeah. And it always seemed kind of crazy to like have to buy it, uh, spend way more money to buy into this like new camera and a bunch of really niche different things. Just to get a bigger screen. Yeah, exactly. But people like bigger screens. We see it in every single smartphone that comes out. Every product that comes out, like TVs, if you can just get the bigger version of the same TV, you don't need a bunch of extra

features. Most people will do that. Yeah. Yeah. So facts, I think this new lineup having a 14, a 14 max, a 14 pro, and a 14 pro max, I think that 14 max is going to be the one that just goes bonkers, that everyone wants to buy. That's going to be the big one this year. Yeah. I see it as being like, sorry, I missed that. Thank you for, I think this is going to be the lineup that just like generates the most sales because it is like giving you that

option we haven't seen pricing yet so I really wonder what 14 max plus 14 pro how close those will be or if even potentially around the same price I can guess let me finish this thought and then we'll guess on it I think like this

lineup is going to be the one that potentially sells the most, but that mini beforehand was the one that had like the super loyal dedicated ones. I don't think there's going to be like the crazy, the iPhone 14 Max is like the coolest phone ever and like the loyalness of it. But Apple cares way more about sales than they do about the loyal mini buyers. Yeah, I think the mini buyers are also, it was a small loyal group. Exactly. It's discontinued because that group, while they are loyal, isn't big enough to justify keeping the mini around.

Yeah. So if I was guessing prices, and this is just the way I'm pairing together the stuff coming from the rumors and what Mark Gurman's saying, and then just what makes sense based on logic. I think the iPhone 14 baseline starts at what the old mini started at. So I guess 699. So that would be a bump down. It would be a bump down, but it's basically the same phone as the 13 because it's using the same chip. It might have some updated camera stuff. We think it's using the same phone as the 13 because it's using the same chip. It might have some updated camera stuff. We think it's using the same chip.

We haven't... Yeah, this is all what we think. We think it's probably using the same silicon. And so... People definitely think you know something now that we made that blip. We do not. I don't.

I don't have any of this stuff. I don't know. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm going from the information. But yeah, I think they can bump down the price and then it'll go $699, $799, $899, sorry, $799, $899, $999, $1099. So $799 is iPhone 14, which is where the mini was before. Then $899 is iPhone 14 max, $999 is iPhone 14 pro, $1099 is iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Pros get 120 hertz pro motion. They're still going to ship $800 phones with 60 hertz screens. They're just going to do it again. And no one's going to badmouthe. Exactly. We are the people that are upset with that and it makes no difference. I will complain about it and I will get heat for complaining about it. And iPhone people will go, nobody cares. And I'll go, I care. And they'll go, well, you're alone. And it's just, it's fine. It's our job. We like for a higher

refresh rate. We are allowed to nitpick at things that happen, whether the general public likes it or not. Like that's fine. Most of the people who aren't watching our videos are going to go into a store and try it in their hands. And they're going to see if that feels weird or not. But if it is those prices, which I would kind of bet with you, that's an awesome lineup. If you take the regular one and knock it down now, that's a sick lineup.

So the question will be, will the pros be worth getting? And I think the answer will be, how badly do you want the extra camera and LiDAR and that whole thing? Maybe there's a whole upgraded camera systemar and that whole thing maybe there's a whole upgraded camera system just on the pros maybe there's a 50 megapixel sensor or something crazy just on the pros pro motion that 120 hertz display uh the new upgraded silicon just being in

the pro phones and then potentially a new design getting rid of the notch and turning it into like the pill cutouts or hole punches instead of the notch. That is one thing I wanted to talk about. From what I read, it seems like only the pros are getting the pill cutout. Potentially, yeah. And it's also, it's a pill cutout plus a regular cutout, it seems to be. Right, so it's Face ID. And so in order to have Face ID work, you need both the webcam and also the IR blaster and reader.

It's more than one cutout up there. But the cheaper phones, cheaper in air quotes, will still have the notch. They'll be just like the 13. They will be just like the 13. There's basically a max version. Just one with a bigger screen. Yeah. I still think it's a good lineup.

I think it's a good lineup i think it's interesting i like the fact that um because in the past there have been times where i i had a hard time recommending the for the 13 pro over the 13 because they felt so close together with like a decent 13 price bump yeah like the two standard size ones it felt yeah you got an extra camera and like pro motion even before you didn't and the 12, you didn't even get promotion, right? You just got, they were almost the same phone. Um, so differentiating that a little bit, I do wonder if that means there could be more of a price bump between the two. You have them starting at about a hundred dollars off of each other from the max to the regular, which I guess more is like a 200 jump in terms of

comparing direct sizes yeah i just think apple is is actively looking for ways to separate and distinguish the pro from the non-pro where you're right like a lot of people looked at the pro and went i don't really need any of that pro motion and an extra camera like i don't care yeah but if you get like a little bit more like a new different design and updated hole punch design and upgraded chip, like faster phone maybe, and a better camera and maybe a bigger battery. Like suddenly you're adding like, all right, maybe I'll spend more money on the pro cause it's a better phone. But the 14 max is probably going to be a sweet spot. Here's my question. What's the difference between an iPhone 13 and an iPhone 14?

If they don't change the cameras, if they don't change the notch, if they don't change the chip, is it just a new color? Are they going't change the cameras if they don't change the notch if they don't change the chip is it just a new color are they going to change the shape that was the question I wanted to ask is what new color are we going to get we're going to get some we've had two orange it went green blue green right like we've kind of we had the sapphire forest green on the 12 then we had the the like blues on the 13 or no sorry sorry sorry green on 11 blue on 11 blue on 12 and then another green a different green like a 13 military green on 13 so i would wonder if we go back to like a blue again i'm already confusing myself no warm colors i kind of like the pro special colors colors. I like that light blue Pacific. Oh, not Pacific. That was the dark blue. I forgot the name.

But I like the Pro's colors. Anyway, yeah, what's the difference between those phones? I don't know. I'm not totally sure. Beats me. I'm trying to think of something, but I can't really think of what it could be. I don't think Apple has any problem with them being almost the same phone. I just think it'll be hilarious when they're almost the same exact phone.

And all those people that you told to wait until September will be really mad when they want to get the standard iPhone. Well, none of those people have a 13. All those people have older phones, and they're like, I just broke my iPhone 10 or whatever. So that's going to be a thing. We'll keep an eye on that. Maybe some new camera stuff.

We'll obviously be testing it thoroughly. But we're also keeping our eye out for Apple Watch stuff, Apple Watch Series 8 and allegedly a Pro version, like a big battery, big GPS, up-to-the-task, durable. I'm going to start calling them like, because this is very similar to what Samsung just did where they released the 5 and the 5 Pro. It feels like they're like Garmin-fying things.

100%. And I get it. And I love it. I think it's such a good idea. Yeah. I wonder how many people, because now we're talking about people like a bigger screen, will they justify the Pro? How many people will actually want to get a big, bulky, Garmin-competing Pro Apple Watch?

I think it's going to be a small fraction of Apple Watch buyers. Do you think it's going to be a small fraction of Apple watch buyers. Do you think there's any chance it's circular? Ah, interesting. I think no, I think no, but like at a certain point, how much bigger can you make that screen before it just feels like you're putting, I don't even know what it is. It feels like circular has the chance for more like, because if you kept it the same form factor, but just add the circles, like, yeah, it would be a bigger screen.

Yeah, I'm looking at the Apple Watch on my wrist right now. It can't really get much bigger without starting to look like a computer on your wrist. It already looks like a computer on the wrist. Ask Mr. O'Leary. We talked to him about this already. Mr. O'Leary? Kev. But I do think it could be a computer on the wrist ask mr o'leary we talked to him about this already but kev uh but i do think it could be a different shape i don't really know i don't know what the rumors say rectangle well probably not i hope not vertical rectangle i'm gonna throw up i think it

could be a circle and i also think like what samsung did, because Samsung inset the screen in like the bezel, so it's like protected a little bit. I think that would be a good idea for a durable version of this watch. It's durable, don't get me wrong, but you go climbing, like you can ruin an Apple Watch. So I think protecting it probably with some sort of bezel looks best in a circle shape.

I do want to see what the protection aspect is because I just saw a rugged titanium case so are they just gonna like give i know titanium's already uh an apple watch like yeah material but like is it just gonna be some this exact same looking thing and it's just like the more rugged just like how we update gorilla glass every year or whatever or i do feel like it has to have some sort of more protection. I think it does, yeah. And I wonder what that's going to look like. I mean, the Apple Watch is probably, while I think it's incredible, it's probably the most boring thing we watch every year at the event.

So I'm excited to actually have something that is going to be on the screen and I'm going to be surprised by. I feel like I need to turn off all Apple leaks on Twitter for the next couple of weeks. I also feel like it's going to off all apple leaks on twitter for the next couple weeks i also feel like it's going to follow in the samsung footsteps pretty hard which is like samsung made it a little thicker gave it a like one and a half times battery which we talked about this like last week which is like all right this is a 1.5 day battery life yeah how how good does it have to

be to get you to want to use it two days two, two and a half days. Like we'll see how far they get with the battery stuff. But you know, GPS sort of Garmin like features, hopefully being all around more durable. That's what we're looking forward to. But I do think it'll have to be a different shape. That's what I'm expecting. I like that. So we'll keep an eye on that.

Aside from that, it's like, all right, they make iPads, they make Macs. I don't really see that stuff showing up in the September event and taking the iPhone's thunder. I think this is basically the iPhone event with some iPhone accessories, which is why I say AirPods and Apple Watch. Are there any other iPhone accessories that would show up here? I guess not. That's probably it.

Stylus? I think that's going to be. Stylus? No. Where'd you pull that out of? I forgot I even not. That's probably it. Stylus? I think that's going to be... Stylus? Where'd you pull that out? I forget I even said that. That would be a hell of a random iPhone thing. The one more thing. Well, they do a one more thing sometimes, but I don't think that's going to happen.

It's never going to be a stylus. I think, and maybe cut this out if I'm totally wrong, I'll have to Google this after, but I'm pretty sure they would have to put a different screen technology in the iPhone for it to work with the Apple Pencil.

Because doesn't the iPad screen have the capacitive and reverse capacitive where the Apple Pencil actually inputs voltage into the screen? And so it won't work with a non-iPad. Right, yeah. They would have to do a lot. And maybe that would't work with a non iPad. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

They would have to do a lot. And maybe that would be a differentiating feature, but also like who wants a stylus with an iPhone? Is that a real, I mean, yes, it's, there is a non zero number of people who are listening to this right now

saying, yes, that's what I want. I want a stylus with the iPhone. I want an iPad mini, but just like a little smaller. That's so funny. I want an iPad mini with 120 hertz screen.

That's actually what I want. I, for the longest time, have thought an iPad mini with 120 hertz refresh screen would be the best side display for creatives. Because you could put one plug-in with just like four numbers on it. iPad Pro Mini. Or iPad Mini Pro. That's actually what I want and I don't think they're going to make it. But yeah, that's

maybe like a January event or some other later in the year type event. We usually see like an October. October is usually Mac. I thought it was usually an iPad event first and then a Mac event. They started doing iPad in like March, right? Like the iPad pro. Isn't there, there might be another iPad thing that I'm forgetting, but they, I know they do like another Mac event later in the year. And we still need to see like M2. We still need to see Mac Pro probably. M2, yeah, Extreme.

Apparently that's what it's called, like the Mac Pro. I think we've just been guessing. Well, because that's what they keep calling it in the rumors, which is like we have M1 Ultra, which is like four times the size of M1 or whatever. We're supposed to have an M1 Extreme in the tower, the Mac Pro that completes the Apple Silicon lineup, and it's going to be four times the M1 Ultra.

I think we need to cut this before Marques goes on a 40-minute rant about wanting the Mac Pro. It's going to be sick. It's going to be awesome. I exported some files for LSD the other day that were like 500 megabyte audio files with three different roles, and it was like a seven-second export on the Mac Studio. Not that I need it to be twice as fast, but how sick would that be? But it could be.

And seven seconds was like the slow one. We did before and we did it yeah a second it's like a second and a half imagine the seconds we could be saving that should be their slogan i mean at this point like i i don't have any performance problems with the m1 ultra max studio that i'm editing on but how sick would it be if it was four times as powerful? And I could actually, the stuff that I don't do, which is like full res 8K playback in raw when I'm changing color stuff, or like every time I have to do a tracking shot of like, I need to do a color correction, but only this circular mask over my face for this five minute clip, I needed to track all 10,000 frames and I just go track and I just walk away. Like what if that was four times faster? That'd be cool. Stuff like that. Exporting.

That'd be cool. So anyway, I'm getting off track, but we expect some good stuff. We're always chasing that high. Yeah. We got some, we got some good stuff in September and we're looking forward to that. So definitely stay tuned to the channels for it. We're going to talk about some other phones, but we should take a quick break, which means we should also get one more trivia question okay oh i'm muted cut that out andrew or adam wow uh so it's very easy in 2022 to get your cable connectors and protocols mixed up. Think the difference between USB-C and Thunderbolt. Same connector, different beast. The Ethernet protocol is commonly carried through what type of cable?

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Usually we overanalyze the invite. It's got a bunch of stars. My guess would be that means we're going to get some sort of astrophotography camera feature in one of these new iphones or maybe we'll get like a whole james webb space telescope feature inside all right we're pushing that would be sick that's that's the difference between the pro and the regular yeah the regular astro and then james webb mode um but yeah so that's happening definitely looking forward to that okay let's talk about the the folding stuff we do have a video i happening definitely looking forward to that okay let's talk about the the

folding stuff we do have a video i'm definitely just going to make this video it's the state of foldables yeah folding folding folding phones it's not like folding phones full state of foldable phones foldables sure working title uh but one of the ones i wanted to show you was this guy here, which is by Xiaomi. Now, before I hand this to you, my explanation is basically all of these folding devices are turning into either a Samsung Fold or a Samsung Flip. They're all congregating on that basic idea. We have the Oppo Find N. It's like a shorter version of the Fold. Yes, I love it. We have the Fold 4, which is more refined than ever Fold.

The hinge is great, but it still feels like a sort of a compromised form factor because it's still so thick. And if you use it long enough, you get used to that, but you notice it's three times as thick as a normal phone. I'm going to hand this to you. This is a Xiaomi Mix Fold 2.

It's a fold just like the Fold 4, but it is half the thickness of Samsung's Fold, and I think it makes a meaningful difference in how normal it feels as a phone. I can already say, as you're handing it to me, it just looks like a phone from the back. If you were to take, I'll try and, it's thicker. It feels like the thickness of a phone.

I'm holding both of these into the camera right now. And if you were to just look at the back, not knowing it's fold, you would think the Samsung looks weird and off and the Xiaomi looks correct. It's a wider aspect ratio. It is the normal size of a normal screen on the outside. And you could use it for a while just like a normal phone without ever opening it and you'd probably be fine i weirdly love this camera bump it is not like xiaomi's getting pretty good at these it's weird it's like really industrial looking but i think

i'm okay with that because we're getting to this point of camera bumps the more sleek you make them just kind of the worst they they're like they don't look that great because when you're trying to jam three cameras on the back of a phone it's never going to look good so do this industrial kind of like perfectly extruded across the top a camera bump and then like i don't mind the text and the flashes i think it looks really nice actually just to just to zoom out a little i think this is the best overall fold style piece of hardware that's been made yet it's it doesn't do the one thing it doesn't do that samsung's does is this which is flex mode which is opening halfway and staying open halfway xiaomi does not want to do that at all you open

it and it just snaps open once it gets a certain point it snaps snaps all the way uh it doesn't it doesn't want to stay there they did that with the flip right samsung did it with the flip um i this feels fantastic yeah this might be if if we're looking at and we've debated this before what should a folding phone be should it be an ipad that or like a tablet that folds down if your goal is to make a phone, a regular phone that folds bigger, this is the closest we have to it right now. I love the Oppo Find N. We have the Mate. I just brought a bunch in here to compare.

The Mate XS2. I think that's a weird... I don't like the outside screen. This is easily the best feeling one out of all of them. It is thinner than the Fold 4. It is at the same time wider than the Fold 4, so it feels right. So despite it being more like a regular phone because it's bigger, it still feels smaller, which is awesome.

Yeah, it's a great dimension. Dude, it feels so nice. It's really, the hinge is fantastic. It snaps into place really nicely. I'm going to give you a couple more things, reasons why I think it's one-upping Samsung. First of all, the cameras on the back, flagship cameras. Samsung's also pretty close,

but they're not doing their ultra cameras in there, so awesome cameras. It's a Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1, so is Samsung's. That's great. It's also got a 1-terabyte version with 12 gigs of RAM. It's an 8.1-inch internal display which is about a half an inch bigger than Samsung's. So you can sort of see the difference in shape.

It's wider. It is overall bigger. And it feels like you're getting more of a tablet. That feels like significantly bigger when you hold them next to each other. It's kind of hard to see on this. Samsung is like 7.6 diagonally or something like that. Thinner bezels, they really were just refining in millimeters this year.

Xiaomi just went, yeah, it's way bigger. 8.1 inch diagonal, bigger aspect ratio on both screens. So that's one thing. And it's also, despite being thinner, rocking a much larger battery. This year with Samsung, I think it's either 4,400 or 4,700. Doesn't matter, both smaller. This is a 5,020 milliampere battery. That's awesome.

Which is great in a phone so thin. So yeah, it feels like this is the apex of the style of normal phone that turns into a tablet. Do you know what it's also doing better? The wedge when it's folded on the Samsung, this does not have that. This a tablet. Do you know what it's also doing better? The wedge when it's folded on the Samsung, this does not have that. This is flat. It doesn't have that gap

and neither does the Oppo Find N. I'm showing this to you. I don't think you'd be able to see it on camera, but just like when it folds, it folds flat. I remember in the Find N video, like closed a piece of paper in it. Yeah, I don't know samsung hasn't done that yet if it feels like these are something these phones are getting to step up on samsung on because i do

ultimately think whether this makes a huge difference or not that like this always runs the issue of more stuff getting inside a screen and then closing it on it which i think it's interesting it might be a choice to specifically not have the screens touch where Xiaomi is okay with them touching. Because now if you get dust in between there and close it, now you're definitely damaging the screen. Where Samsung's, if you have that little wedge and you close it and there's some dust in there, it actually doesn't shove dust into the screen, maybe.

Yeah, that could be it. Possibly. Possibly. I do think one gripe on this phone the edges are very rounded um which means like you can feel that there's two two parts to it very easily i think if these were flattened out and kept the same thickness you know maybe it would feel like the phone's a little thicker but it's still much thinner than the fold four and i think it would eliminate that like that gap that you would feel.

It's not a gap, it's just like a ravine almost. And I don't love that. This, I think I can easily say just holding it hardware-wise, like you said, this is the best folding phone that I've felt right now. Like outfold. Oh my goodness. No, both ways.

Oh, you think better than the Flip stuff too? Yeah. I think Samsung has the best flip the flip three because you have like razor you have uh fair p50 pocket you have a bunch of other flip style phones they're all converging on just like following the samsung footsteps there okay but i think this is leading the way i yeah the like uh yeah the big fold the tablet folds type of thing this is leading the way. I, yeah, the like, yeah, the big fold, the tablet folds type of thing. This is the best one.

I would even argue to say I would rather use this than a Z Flip. I immediately agreed. And then I tried using it and the software is a nightmare. So I'm- Well, yeah, that's hard to, yeah, okay. It's not totally fair. I wish there was like a US-based version of this

that was running everything. I would immediately use that. Okay, ASMR fold shut challenge. That's the fold, Samsung. It's a little beefier, a little thicker sound. Samsung again. Now this is, yeah, one more Xiaomi. Can we do them both into Marquesas, Mike?

Get some real scientific continuity here. Yeah, so this is now Xiaomi. Just a little bit thicker sound. One more from Samsung. Those are very similar sounding. They're similar. Xiaomi again. Just feels different in the hand.

Doesn't sound that different, but it feels different. Here's Oppo Find N, the smaller one. Well, that's the best sound it's like muffled more i kind of dig that one more one more for the find n just for the sound that's the best sound this is high quality content right here yeah and just i don't know if that will actually do anything because it like snaps it's a special sound here's the Huawei Mate XS2 one more time still sounds better than the Surface Duo yeah there you have it no no the Surface Duo sounds good

great hinge that might be the best sounding foldable if that's what you're going for alright well that's probably where we'll end it I was going to go one more thing and just mention that the story of the nothing phone not supporting Android 13 immediately and just mention that the story of like the nothing phone, not supporting Android 13 immediately and getting a tweet from Carl saying like,

what is 13 anyway? What, what is the number on paper really mean to you? Uh, is just too funny for me. I just can't put into words how poetic that is. I think officially it said first half of 2023. Yeah.

That'll come out on June 20th. That's so funny because they promise a certain number of updates, but they didn't promise how fast they would do it. I guess that's still fine. That's pretty much it. Let's do the trivia

answers and then we'll be done. Trivia answers. All right. Two beautiful questions on this beautiful, I guess I can't say what day it is. Do people know what day it is? Yeah, we record on Wednesdays if anyone's wondering.

Invites her out on Wednesday. I think we have to explain it on Twitter every once in a while because people will say like, you missed this and this. It's like, well, we recorded the day before that. Beautiful Wednesday morning. Question number one. Prior to founding Apple, Steve Jobs worked as a technician at what

70s tech giant? And right now you guys are tied. Five to five. Okay. I have an answer that I won't change. I mean, it's a total guess and I feel like it's just attempting to guess one of the larger companies. I have an answer that I won't change. I mean, it's a total guess, and I feel like it's just attempting to guess one of the larger companies. I'm just going to write mine down in case it's the same guess. What's your guess?

I mean, we're writing them down on the same sheet, so, well, we have different ones. Okay, there we go. So, yours is what? IBM. I said HP, and I don't think I'm right. The answer was Atari. Whoa. Atari. That's a giant. That was kind of awesome atari that's a giant that was kind of awesome and that's really cool because max are so well known for gaming yeah no it's definitely not hp i'm sure those

are mortal enemies at the time like gateway yeah was gateway that old do you remember gateway yeah well i had a gateway i did you didn't they combine or wasn't it like dell gate no what was the they probably merged with someone it was gateway he would don't think too hard this could be a trivia question it could be i just really like i had i had some connection to gateway just remember their logo was like a square that looked like a cow and i always thought that was hilarious and not a very good way at showing off the sound of a gateway booting up no let's look it up that was an iconic sound a very good way at showing off the computer. Do you remember the sound of a gateway booting up? No. That was an iconic sound. That's why you said cow because

when you said gateway I was like were they the Dalmatian computer? Dalmatian that's funny. But was it a cow? I mean I don't know what it exactly was. Looking at it I still vote cow. It feels like the spots are bigger than what a Dalmatian would be. No that's cow. Yeah definitive cow. Oh the gateway be. No, that's cow. Definitive cow.

Oh, the gateway square. Yeah, it's a cow. This is a gateway. MT 6460. Push the power button. Now keep pumping F2. F2. Keep pumping it. Keep pumping it. Is he going to get a boot up sound if he's trying to...

Yeah, but are you going to get a boot up sound? I'm going to pass it to get in boot up sound? Yeah, he's going into the BIOS. Yeah, but are you going to get a boot up sound? Oh, man. This is the setup. This guy walked so you could run. It's going to restore all the factory settings for the setup. Okay, like and subscribe.

Leave comments. I got a few more videos coming. I'm trying to wait until I get to the Wi-Fi. I love that this is how long a computer used to take to boot. That's so good. Did the sound ever happen? I just want to say,

can we bring back, I guess nothing's kind of doing it right now, but can we bring back serifed fonts in tech? I don't understand why every font for a tech company looks like vitamin water. They gotta all simplify everything. But why?

Sans everything. Sans serifs though? Sans detail, sans serif, sans edges. Sans character. Well, we both got that one wrong. Okay, I can't find the gate. The boot up sound, we'll figure that out later. i can't find the gateway the sound we'll figure that out i'll find it i'll cut to a picture of me with my thumbs up and i'll just

we'll play it wait there literally was a gateway cow yeah oh this is oh there were there were definitely commercials were they not commercials the cow wait this is like a windows 11 gateway i don't know why that's a thing. But I definitely remember, well, I don't definitely remember, but I kind of visually remember. Oh, my God, the box looked like it. Yeah, there was a whole commercial with cows. What's up with this calf? This computer turn?

Is that supposed to be Intel? Is Intel ever used a calf before? They had a plushie. I want one of these plushies. That's awesome. Yeah, they had a gatewayushie. I want one of these plushies. That's awesome. Yeah, they had a Gateway PC commercial with an actual cow. Oh, yeah, with a real cow? Yeah.

It's a real thing. Wow. It's a real memory I have. Incredible. All right. Talk was weird, kids. Yeah. Moving on.

Anyway, okay, question number two. Very easy to get your connectors and protocols mixed up. True. So Ethernet protocol is commonly carried through what type of cable? Andrew. I'm like trying to think of, oh man. Oh, and bonus points if you know the name of the connector. You're like...

Is this like the type of wiring that's inside it? Or are we just talking about like a cat cable? I was going to say cat cable, yeah. But like, are we trying to figure out the... No, you know. That's it. That's it, yeah. Is it an acronym?

It's short for category. Okay. And there's cat 5, 6, 7, and I think 8 is pretty new. And it's one of the only things that are all backwards compatible with one another. Is the port? Oh. Because the port's the same. Is the name really ridiculous?

Is it like IEE 94 or something crazy? It's RJ45. Oh. I have heard. But it's important to say that Cats six through eight all use an RJ45 connector, which is what allows them to be backwards compatible. My old tech director would slap me if I

didn't, knowing that I didn't get that right. He taught me how to do all that at one point in my life, and it's confusing. It's really confusing. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, wasn't that fun? We did. We got a point. Yeah. We got a point. We got a point we got a point on ellis question week i think that's a win good job that's a win all around i know everybody listening thinks they

were going to get both questions right but there's no way you got them both right anyway tweet at us if you did thanks for listening thanks for watching this week we'll catch you guys soon and without any further ado take care. Pace. Threw me on that one. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Vain Sill. Thank you.