Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - What's Going On With Threads and Twitter?

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Marques and Andrew discuss a grab bag of news this week. First they recap everything they did last week before Andrew decides he wants in on the Cybertruck bet. Then they talk about everything going on with Threads and Twitter before getting into another round of Hype-a-thetically speaking, where they decide whether random tech things are overhyped or underhyped. Of course, we wrap it all up with some trivia. Hope you enjoy! Links: Marques golfing at The Open: https://bit.ly/theopenmkbhd Ellis' Studio video: https://bit.ly/studioellis Shop products mentioned:  Google Pixel 7 at https://geni.us/rrBIcG Google Pixel Fold at https://geni.us/zhOE5oh Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Threads: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https:https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And David, as you can tell, is currently not here. He's out. I think he's taking some pictures in the Pacific Northwest somewhere, so we'll see him when he gets back. Yeah, follow him on Instagram because he's posting a lot of them and they're pretty sick

so far. Get some previews of those. Yeah. But in today's episode, we have a little bit of Twitter versus threads. Round two, I think. We've little bit of twitter versus threads round two i've got some thoughts is it round two we've definitely talked about them specifically once yeah it feels like it's sort of a second wave of twitter versus yeah i think so yeah uh but we also have a little bit of a hype or not game to play at the end so it's not a full game show episode

but we still have games we've done it before and i think people liked it it's a lot of fun to just like speculate about things that are maybe too hyped or not hyped enough yeah i like playing hype versus not hype games yeah uh but first we did both we traveled or we did you did something pretty cool i had a had a trip right so you went to it's called the open the open the open and the couple days before the open was something called the open invitational okay first time they've ever done it so some of you guys may or may not know this but i'm a golfer i've been a golfer for and i actually someone asked me this i heard this part yeah i've been a golfer for 20 years isn't it wild that we're at a point in our life that you can say you've

done something i've been snowboarding for like 23 years at this point. And I thought about that like, whoa. That's weird to say out loud. It's weird, yeah. But yeah, I've been golfing for 20 years. I'm not as good as you would think as someone old. Was that a soundbite? When you say out loud that you've been doing something for 20 years, you think you're really good at it.

I'm not. I've been playing on and off. And obviously, we have other stuff that we do. But my first love love my first sport so it was super cool to be able to play on the golf course that is in championship condition because the open the major is being played there uh basically as we speak and uh it was actually sort of a practice round day so a lot of the pros showed up I walked through security right in front of Phil Mickelson, put it on the putting green with him. And it was like a new event to sort of hype it up a little bit. So it was a sort of a team's format and a bunch of invited sort of

celebrity guest people. Uh, and we played a scramble and we played the whole course and it was amazing. That's really awesome. You guys won too, right? And we won the scramble. That's awesome. Yeah. I'll tell you what, there's nothing like first tee jitters when there's first tee jitters in like any sport where you like first drive and like hit your first shot or hit the court for the first time,

take your first shot. But when you're not used to playing in front of a crowd, the amplifier of like people watching you, you don't get to appreciate on TV how many people there are and how close they are to you. You can hear people mutter things under their breath. It's that close to you.

And they've been watching. He's making this shot. Also, they've been watching professionals the whole day. Yeah, true. They hit amazing shots. And then we walk up and we're like, sorry, guys. This is going to be a little worse than that. But no, it was sick.

That's really awesome. It came on the tail end of an ADL doubleheader in Colorado and Salt Lake that we also won both games. That's awesome. And you can watch that. It was live streamed, right? I skimmed through and tried to watch all of your shots. And I don't know golf, but they looked pretty solid.

The announcers liked it. Yeah, yeah. I played okay. Obviously, we won. We had a great team. Shout out to Catherine. She was the best player of, we won. We had a great team. Shout out to Catherine. She was the best player of the entire group. She had a nasty shot.

Yeah, she had a sick shot. She holed out for eagle on the last hole in front of the whole crowd. It was unreal. So yeah, go watch that. It'll be on YouTube. We'll put that link in the show notes if you want to check it out. You also went on your canceled vacation and figured out a way to get there. We rescheduled it.

I went to Grand Teton National park in yellowstone national park and it was like beautiful tons of animals i posted some photos some really crazy wildlife photos i never thought i'd be able to get in my life because i rented an awesome ones yeah of a grizzly bear i have a couple grizzly bear shots which is pretty cool yeah um i'm actually making a video for the studio channel right now um kind of about some of the tech that i like to bring because i talk about hiking way too much on the podcast so i figured let's get it all in one video so i can maybe shut up about it for like a few months and then we'll get all the gear all the nerding out of exactly yeah so that'll that'll be up there soon but we also just posted another video on the studio channel that was like a total banger from ellis

his his first solo hosted video um do you want to tell us a little bit about it no okay but go watch it definitely go watch it's really good it's really funny and really insightful i i like the learning experience yeah but the week i was supposed to be on vacation i missed a little bet that you guys had and adam just posted it on shorts and i wanted to kind of get in on this because i missed get in on the cyber truck on the cyber truck bet yeah okay so i think the bet was 25 non-employees received delivery by the end of 2023 yeah well it actually happened i say yes everyone else said no i'm going to agree with you on this one actually which thank you it's come on hit the buzzer I know you're looking for it yeah man I'm telling you

so yes I agree with you I still think it'll be like under a hundred I think it's going to be a very small amount I don't think it's going to be a lot I also we're all excited about it and everyone on Twitter is like oh my god it's coming bro this got announced in 2019 like oh no i know no i know you're not i just need to say it like we're excited but like man this thing was out there and i was just thinking like how many other ev pickup trucks have come out since that since it got announced and just like the lead they thought they were gonna have in the space world, and how much they blew that lead away. It's been really interesting. I don't know how much I thought it would matter that they were first to be an EV pickup truck. Like, yes, Rivian came out, like, before them, and that was their thing, was they were the first EV

pickup truck, basically, to ship, and I don't know how much it helps to be the first one if it's a hundred thousand dollars and then the f-150 lightning comes out and i am seeing a lot of them on the road and it's an f-150 so it should be popular but the cyber truck also has i don't know how many i'll google it how many million pre-orders are there for the cyber truck uh i mean a hundred dollar refundable pre-order is like a weird, which for Tesla is a great little four-year interest-free loan they got. But yeah, I do think it, I kind of think it is pretty important, especially if you're not a company known for doing pickup trucks. So I think the fact that Rivian got in there first

probably helped Rivian quite a bit to be able to say, first EV pickup is, and then when Ford comes out, like, you know, people who ared loyal are going to go for it yeah yeah they had a ton of people in line we were talking to ford about this they had like tons of people pre-ordering f-150 lightning and for many of them it was their first truck and for many of them it was their first ford and so you know just like getting an ev just changes the equation for a lot of people. So, yeah, I think Cybertruck, it's still going to come out in this sort of newish age of EVs. And I think it's going to have an impact. It kind of reminds me of a hot take that I'm going to talk about in a hot take video.

Which I kind of want to spoil a little bit because I think it's one of the funniest ones. Should I just do it? Let's send it. Okay. One of the hot takes that I'm going to address in the video with a little more precision than this is someone said the cyber truck is going to outsell the f-150 by 2026 can i confirm the f-150 or the f-150 lightning the f-150 i did the same thing that person is optimistic i would say that person is i don't even know a nice way to say it that's one of the dumbest takes i've ever heard so you can convince yourself by what 20 when 2026 so three years zero so okay

but think of it this way if you're a tesla fan and you see this is the i'm going to the most optimistic route right okay there's a million and a half pre-orders of the cyber truck right now right let's say they start shipping at the end of this year and they make them all in the first two years. And by the time they start making them the third year, they have another million people order. So by 2026, they shipped all the pre-orders and they're going to make another million new orders. That would put it on pace to match the F-150 now the chances that they actually ramp up production that fast and sell all the ones and nobody cancels and they sell all the ones they made and make another million orders very very low but the f-150 sells like 600 to

900 000 every single year and it's the most successful vehicle in america so if you're saying it's going to overtake the most successful vehicle for the past 40 years running in three years you're an optimist and it's probably a hot take and i like that it's hot but it's probably not going to happen just yeah yeah there's i just don't think there's any shot that that happens i mean it's it's four years of pre-orders right that? And even that is barely what Ford actually sells. Honestly, I think most of the pre-orders happen in the first year. I do think so also, but that's why I don't see that pre-orders getting finished and X amount more coming in.

You hit a very huge part of the ones that you think you're going to sell. Those aren't all going to sell. And then you're not going to get a higher influx once it actually comes out especially with now r1t ford f-150 lightning i'll say the the hummer pickup truck but like i don't think that's much and the silverado is already getting test driven by journalists now so like there's quite a few i think that comes out probably around the same time and there's a lot there's other options at this point don't forget the lordstown if you're not watching the video version i'm sorry for that i don't actually mean that there's a but uh we were talking this morning because i wanted to say it's interesting how many pickup evs got announced and delivered since the cyber truck got announced and i since the Cybertruck got announced. And I thought the Rivian was announced after,

but it was actually a year before. Before the Cybertruck. Which I didn't realize. And I think that just kind of goes to prove that when you're an EV company no one knows about and you announce a truck, no one takes it seriously. Because to me, until the Rivian started showing up, I didn't really take them seriously.

So this Lordstown stuff, no part of me considers this a thing that I'm going to ever see until i start actually seeing that's totally fair i think the difference is with rivian it was their first ever vehicle and so it's hard to take anything they do seriously until they start shipping their first ever vehicle and that's true about faraday future and that's true about lordstown and that's true about so many others but why i think it's different with tesla is it's not their first rodeo agree which is why when i see them starting to test mules and roll around camoed versions of it it seems like they're actually ramping up to something real where the others i could never prove that yeah i agree i think you clarified what i meant there is more like these new ev companies as they're just first

ev in general like tesla's been around for longer, but it's also been four years. So maybe I shouldn't have given them as much trust as I thought I did. Maybe it's impossibly hard to make an EV truck and we're all learning. But it's a simple stamp that so many fleets, they can just stamp out a bunch of them.

That's why the design's like that, man. They'll just roll out like nothing in four years. This thing is a 6,000 pound guillotine with electric motors i will say i mean like this is true and i think it's weird because i keep hearing this about the cyber truck but like the hummer ev and the rivian are both over 7 000 i think the the hummer ev might be over 9 000 and the battery is 6 000 yeah and it's bigger than the cyber truck and it's admittedly it's not sharp on the corners.

That's definitely a difference. And I don't know how that plays into these tests or whether it'll get pulled or not. It also has crumple zones. The Cybertruck, they're really big on the fact that this thing won't crumple. It'll just go through. Despite having a front trunk.

Whatever you hit. Which is good for the occupant, but not whatever you hit. It's good for the occupant in theory, assuming you just do go clean through but remember that the whole point of a crumple zone is to slow you down it's to send energy around the vehicle past the passenger compartment so there is a very realistic chance that your truck will be perfectly fine and you will be like a chef boyardee can in this you're like but the windows are bulletproof so you won't go through them don't worry you'll just splat up against i feel like i should say before the tesla boys come out too late the the the model 3 and the

model s are some of the safest cars money can buy some of the biggest biggest crumple zones in any vehicle yeah the now the nhtsa says says those are at the top of the chart. So maybe they've got some tricks up their sleeve. But to me, this just seems... They should make this illegal to drive around schools, right? There's no way any grade schooler could survive getting hit by a Tesla truck, which is so high off the ground, they couldn't see them anyway. I don't know how different it'll be than the Hummer EV.

the ground they couldn't see them anyway i don't know how different it'll be than the hummer ev the thing even just outside of evs the trucks and like suvs we're driving in america are so dangerous towards pedestrians every way and we let them drive all the time like i just don't see anyone actually stopping the cyber truck as being any more dangerous as these the amount of times i've almost been like clipped on the side of a sidewalk in town because some lifted pickup truck i was just in uber yeah in in the city and we're in like a denali or a yukon xl or something and just like riding it and i'm just like we are we are kings of the road right yeah this is insane they're so high and they have such a big front and like front grill and everything it's hard to see over and if you're in the blind spot of them it's it's dangerous yeah yeah it's terrifying let's put a blade on it yeah let's make it go zero to 60 in three seconds this is why the hummer was hilarious when it came out it was like the hummer terrifies me

9 000 pound massive refrigerator of a vehicle can also do a zero to 60 in three seconds how does that make any sense i think the only reason I'm more scared of the Cybertruck is just I know there'll be more of them on the road. Whereas the Hummer EV, I think it's a pretty niche vehicle. So I'm not as... But if I saw a Hummer EV on the highway, I probably would just pull over, take a break,

and just wait for that thing to be far away from where I am. That's fair. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if the deliveries happen and then if they reverse the deliveries, we'll have to come back to that bet. I stand. It's not. I don't think it's coming out this year.

I really don't. It's totally happening. Alright, well, I think that's a good spot to take a quick break. We got a lot to talk about with Threads and Twitter, but of course, before we do breaks, it's time for trivia. Start of the season. All fresh. What number season is it?

Three. Is it officially? This is season three, officially. Okay. You won season two. You also won season one. Sick. Okay. First question coming from Ellis. All right.

So I was reading on the internet, as one does, and I found out that you can wake up a computer from sleep using just the internet. You don't even have to be at the same room. In order to do that, you send a very particular message to the target computer to wake it up it's a very silly name that's why it's a trivia question what is the name of that message this is multiple choice or yeah am i need multiple choice for this one you know what i'll make up some choices i was gonna say i mostly want it because i want to hear your made-up versions. Yeah, you know what? I'll just off the dome right now, ready? Okay, yeah.

Okay. Number one, A, STOMP, S-T-O-M-P. These are all acronyms. Number two, WOMP, W-O-M-P. Number three, CLOMP. And number four, ALARM, clomp. And number four, alarm. Wild card. All right.

I'm impressed by the off the dome. I have a feeling some of them rhyme. Yeah. And that helps a little bit. I'll be brainstorming on that through the break. Answers are at the end as usual. We'll be right back. urges can be it's me catch dexter morgan in a new serial killer origin story it's hunger inside of you it needs a master featuring patrick gibson christian slater special guest star sarah michelle

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visit connects ontario.ca all right we're back uh so we've been using twitter for years yes and we've been using meta's threads for about two weeks now two weeks do you call it meta all the time i still call it facebook uh i do have to remember to call it meta okay and sometimes i don't i just say facebook but it does say like when you have the splash screen meta so you know i get reminded of it uh yeah we have a lot of thoughts i have a lot i've been using them both i'm interested you know various intents in and i think you kind of see the waves now of things happening with each of them yeah i don't want to we were saying it's like the second wave but it almost feels like the fourth wave like the first wave was the day it launched which was in the midst of a trough with twitter

because they had like the rate limit scandal and all these things happening and then threads launches and explodes right and has tons of people joining tons of engagement you could consider that the first wave okay even though there was like the zero wave of like all the pre-release testers I'll leave that out then the second wave was like all right it's sort of stabilized for like four or five days in 70 million 100 million users all right we're here what do we do now and then twitter on the other side is like a little bit quieter than usual and you're kind of looking around twitter like interesting it feels like there's less posts happening but also is it a day off is it a holiday why isn't anyone on the road today there's like a tumbleweed going across

and then the third wave was then suddenly like all of the here I am engagement farming posts happening on threads. And then all the like threads versus Twitter talk. And then I feel like the fourth wave is now Twitter flips a switch, turns on a monetization feature, starts writing a bunch of checks. And like literally the other day there was a post from Adam Aseri that they had to turn on rate limits because suddenly there's a bunch of spam happening and they needed to actually slow that down. And so now it's sort of equalizing. And obviously the spike in engagement at the beginning is what you'd expect to see. But it's never going to hold up to that level. But it is at a different place.

So there's a lot to go over with where we see both of these platforms going. Yeah. And the last time we talked about it was by the time the episode came out that launch date had happened but when we were talking about it we were just basing it off of your like day before pre-release and talking there so like we haven't really covered that whole step through process that you just mentioned all the waves so do you want to like really quickly go over how you've been using threads and what you've thought about it so far?

Sure. Yeah. So, I mean, it launched and there's always just that like fun first couple of days of something new where you just play around with it, start poking around. You know, I think I tagged just random people. I tagged Mark Cuban. I said, can I be a guest on Shark Tank? And he was like, yeah, let me get back to you on that. I like the idea. I tagged Zuck in a feature request and he was like yep it's on the list like just kind of poking around and seeing what's happening and things are all moving and colorful and exciting um it's fun that that part is fun like everybody's just like what do we do here yeah and like it's the difference i think of that is what we've talked about a million times before is that the user base is so important in all of these like we all dealt with this on blue sky and t2 and mastodon but now within was it not 24 hours

threads already had more than probably all three of those combined probably within hours yeah yeah so like you get to actually experience this like hey this is kind of neat yeah everyone's nice what do we do it's like walking into a party and like so many people, you know, are there and you're like, whoa, this is, oh, you're here too. Oh, wow. You're all here. That's crazy. What do we, what are we talking about? What are we doing here? And you're so excited. You don't get into the like toxic hellscape arguments of like the regular Twitter thread. And that was just nice for like a week. Yeah. I think then once you've gotten over the hump of like, right, we're all here, we're all trying to do stuff, then it's like, what do we post here? And this is from someone who posts on social media for a living.

I'm like, do I post the same things that I'm posting in other places or do they not belong here? I saw at the beginning so many, you know, so much emphasis from the founders about things like conversations and and just text posts and it's it's called threads it's literally just like text threads people talking to each other so i kind of assumed i'd mostly just be using it like twitter in like text threads not a lot i didn't post any youtube links i wasn't thinking about posting any you know photos or videos even though you still can technically. But then the question is like, well, I just posted some short form video on Instagram.

Do I also post it on threads? Is that like double posting? I posted on Twitter. Maybe I posted on threads in Twitter, but not Instagram or Reels or Shorts. I don't know. It's kind of just a weird, there's a thought process now to it.

So that's in the back of my head the whole time. then also i do find it fun to engage with shorts because it does for me still feel like it has the second fastest engagement rate of any social network behind instagram sorry your threads or short you said shorts threads okay yeah so like on instagram if i post something within 10 minutes there's over 100 comments there's probably 10 000 likes and you can just see just chaos activity happening where that's very different on twitter versus shorts youtube shorts has almost the opposite like a low two-day burn before it hits the shorts feed and then takes off so it shorts is just or threads is just interesting to just like poke around and, and reply to something and just see how fast you can talk to people on threads before the threads

over. Yeah. And from that first week, like despite having wildly like less people on the platform and less followers than like Twitter that I had, like the engagement I was getting felt kind of crazy. I think just everyone was so excited to be on it. They were on it a lot more. They were replying all over the place. There was engagement everywhere. Everyone was like, oh shoot, I didn't realize you're on here yet. Like what's up? Did you follow the, did you follow everyone that you followed on Instagram or did you, did you follow separate people? It's funny cause it's, it's more along the lines of the people who I follow on Twitter because Instagram to me is still been this slow move over of more of my like personal life versus this like social media

work life, I guess. Um, and on threads, I found it really interesting because a lot of people that I do know in my personal life on Instagram that don't have Twitter, we're creating threads and then you get to see, yeah, just some of their stupid little, that's what I love about just like very short text-based posts is like, you can just have one random thought and that thought can be hilarious. And it just like makes my day.

That's the most pure like early version of Twitter. It's incredible. I love it so much. That's like when you can only tweet from your phone. Yeah. And you can do, it's just like 140 characters. Like when you're sending a text message to it. Yeah, just 140, just a blurb of a of a thought yeah that's kind of how it starts and i think now you're seeing like

the the people who are here to get you know engagement here to figure out like how to turn this into a page there's the the linkedin bros showing up like trying to optimize and like doing all these crazy things like you expect that with any new shows even though it's not monetizable directly yet it's still you expect that that was kind of the fun part of the beginning it was like when that happened people were like no get that off of no this platform's fun right now get that grind set crap off of here like yeah block that mute that and yep um but i think like like you said one of the biggest issues of it off the beginning or you didn't say it but this is what you tweeted at i think adam responded to

you about just having an actual front page with the people you follow not random people and they did say they're working on it which is great i'm a little worried it's going to be which is similar to twitter now where that's not going to be your main you're gonna have to swipe into it as a secondary one that is always fascinating to me because every social media has to have some balance of this where you follow people because you want to see what they post. But in order for them to be successful and keep you engaged, they need to be giving you new things. It's almost like on Spotify, like we have the music that we want to listen to. But there's also like if you hit shuffle, it's going to just toss in some music you've never heard before. It's going to toss in some explore weekly or whatever and that's what tiktok has got tiktok is probably the far end

of the scale you don't even really check who you follow most people don't check who they follow it's just the for you page and on the other side maybe it's closer to like twitch or youtube back in the day i only watched who i subscribed to but now it's mostly homepage. It's things they recommend to you. YouTube's getting closer to that TikTok side where I'm watching people that I realize I'm not subscribed to because I'm just so consistently getting fed their stuff that I enjoy. So Instagram now too. Wants to be there.

It used to just be people you follow in the posts that they make with the photos. Now it's just tossing stuff in my feed. Obviously, the Explore page and Reels is giving you new stuff, now they're pushing towards that so now threads shows up and of course we're following a bunch of people we're engaging with a bunch of stuff but yeah the home page is full of people you don't follow and so as a purist i want just the list of people i follow and the things that they post because that's why i'm here i just joined threads to follow 12 people, but they don't even have a following count for people. They just show you the homepage and you can follow people on the homepage,

but it's constantly pushing you new stuff. And that's just the way social is in 2023. And I guess it's cool that it's on their list, but I kind of doubt it's very high on their list. Yeah, or it's not going to be like a default. Because Instagram, you can do only following chronological, but it's not even like in Twitter where you just swipe over. It's like a drop down menu.

Yeah, which you have to do every time you open the app, I think. My suspicion is it will never be the default. I totally agree with that. Yeah. I did. Sorry. Quick question. When do you think they're going to add ads?

Ads. Because I think a big part of why people like it right now is because there's no ads. It's very pure with no ads. Sorry. Quick question. When do you think they're going to add ads? Ads. Because I think a big part of why people like it right now is because there's no ads. It's very pure with no ads. I think Meta has the bankroll to be able to roll this for a little bit without ads. And I think that's probably the smartest decision to eventually dump ads and make a ton of money on it. But I think we all can probably agree they pushed this pretty quickly in a very opportune moment with what was going on with twitter so why not completely capitalize on twitter maybe uh you don't think they did that already i feel like they already

like i think it's too early i think they did a lot of the thing but they're still definitely in don't mess this up mode i think yeah. Yeah, the pressure needs to stay on. Yeah. Like, I think Twitter can have a bad week and it's fine. But if you have a really good couple of months in a row on threads and it's the activity still going and like you didn't ruin it with ads yet, then you start to really think about like, all right, we're actually taking real meaningful market share. We're actually changing the meaningful market share we're actually changing the landscape of social media then maybe you start thinking about okay we'll do a little bit of ads here and there yeah and there's a there's a benefit to being having multiple different social media

sites and products that are making money and then one being able to lose some versus spending 44 billion dollars immediately halving the worth of that and then having to try and make up for all the loans that you take yeah but meta is also like burning money in vr and ar so like they need something to give them money right they've got some others they still have facebook and instagram that's true plenty of money okay so the next question how long until google makes one google everyone with a gmail already gets an account you just bring it over i was this is why i was saying do you remember how many things google plus did to re like google plus was ahead of its time for real google plus which i used for every year it was out as i've mentioned many times

before but like do you remember when there was a plus one plus one button on everything on google search there are still like i'll still see some trucks with advertisements on them that will still show their social media links and they'll be like a google plus food trucks all have i don't know why yeah uh on youtube they forced everyone to turn their profile into a google plus account so you could only like you could plus one comments plus one videos share it to your circles they forced all of that like the same way that we got this like nice plug with instagram for threads to take off they did that with google search and youtube so the fact that that doesn't exist anymore is a pretty good indicator that you can't

really brute force your way into it it's got to be good but like google google tried google did try so yeah but they tried like 14 years ago they gave it a good old google try like whoa this didn't work immediately cut it i totally remember when they did that and like being however old i was like a child and like watching the philip defranco video where he's like going over like yeah they're making everyone sign up for google plus and i remember just childhood me being like this is an outrage as if it like affected me at all that's amazing it was it was a it was a it seemed like a turning point on the internet because google had that kind of power where like if you got a lot of plus ones on your site that would specifically improve your search ranking and so you had an

incentive to be strong on google plus that was the gamification of that would be out of this world more than seo right now like they should just go back to that and that'll be again the way that you write that platform will be destroyed by bots and people just turning it into a total mess by gamifying everything. I mean, Google never said specifically how much of a percentage the Google Plus thing had to your ranking. But it became very clear that you wanted to be strong on Google Plus. You wanted to be the most plus one thing on your search page to get you to the top.

You were the second most plus one thing, weren't you? Maybe. I don't know. I was one of the accounts that they suggested you follow when you joined. That's awesome. So that was pretty solid. That's a badge of honor. Yeah, that was pretty cool.

So yeah, I don't know. I do think the Instagram poll is very strong, but I don't think the growth phase is over yet. I still think they have to, they're still in don't mess this up mode. And as people poke around and find what to do, they can add the features that people seem to want the most. Yeah. They're definitely in like a slight, you know, they, they had their high of like everybody joining right away and now it's going to dip a little bit. And exactly what you said, don't screw this up. So that dip doesn't go too far down and that dip it steadies off and then they start slowly rising again yeah um i did find one thing this is funny i think i

found one thing that i think threads can do that twitter and instagram can't do except when i tried to do it it didn't work so let me explain it i was at the airport and i think the reason this didn't work is just because of poor airport Wi-Fi. That's why it didn't post. But if you think about it, Threads is the only place that you can post more than four images that don't all get automatically cropped to square.

Because once you had more than two photos on Instagram in a gallery, it auto crops it into a square and you can only do four photos on Twitter. So I took all these different pictures and different aspect ratios and portrait and landscape i was cropping them and i wanted to post all the photos i took on my trip and i could do that on threads except that it just kept failing to post in the airport wi-fi and it didn't actually go through so i just wound up cropping them on instagram some things like that feel like features when i think really they're just not yet pruned. Like they're going to definitely limit that.

You think they're going to limit that? I think so. Yeah. Kind of the same. It's meta. Like they're going to probably find a way to, you know, compress more efficiently and they're going to find ways to like reduce the amount of bandwidth you need to use to post.

And, you know, maybe if everyone's, you saw what David was posting, he had these huge panoramas and landscape and they would take up your entire phone. I wish he was here so we could talk about this because I feel like that is something he would enjoy. David is definitely not taking 10 square pictures at once and wants to post more than four at a time. So I'm sure that would, if it works, work well for him. He's giving you that IMAX experience on threads.

It's longer than your phone. You can only view it on a Sonyy xperia yeah exactly um before we get into twitter and what they were doing i twitter had to have been if we step back to wave one here there's just something a little peculiar about if you posted any threads links on twitter that i i think is pretty obvious and just very funny but it was clearly suppressing right like i think i have a picture here of your timeline you posted something that just says it's actually impressive how bad siri is 8.4 million impressions on twitter next post for some threads and the link to your threads link, 200,000 impressions. And then another video of a caviar iPhone, 1.1 million impressions.

Yeah. Something's a little fishy there. Interesting. Yeah, I don't think it would be a shock to anyone if they uncovered just the word threads or any threads.net URL. Especially, yeah. Yeah, they're definitely not showing that to people the way they show other things to people not shocked by that i don't honestly this is like a part of social also where i think when you post a lot to social media and you're trying to optimize all your

content you're like what do these platforms incentivize and how can i ride those waves on twitter or on any website like on youtube they do not like you sending people to external websites period so on youtube if you have a really popular link at the top of your description and that link is sending people somewhere like i remember we used to do uh giveaway videos and a lot of people would use like a giveaway hosting service or whatever like gleam and there would be a link at the top and those videos would always bomb really because you're sending people off the site and YouTube's going, whoa, whoa, whoa,

we don't like this video. This video is sending people off of YouTube. And so you do this massive giveaway, but it would get like a 10th the normal traffic. Do you know what another good example of that is? Doesn't Shorts have a thing that sees if the TikTok logo is in it? Because they don't want you to just take

your exact TikTok video that also shows a link to how you follow them on TikTok. I'm not sure if if they've admitted this yet but a lot of them definitely i think that was like a pretty obvious yeah i'm not sure if it was shorts or reels i think it's like oh maybe it's reels yeah yeah reels if reels sees a tiktok logo i think that's the one everyone knows about but i'm also pretty sure like if youtube sees a tiktok logo they don't want to push that either yeah yeah that's a fact. It's already funny. It's also very funny that Threads has an immediate share to Twitter button, which is just like I'm sharing essentially my tweet on a different to Twitter.

But yeah. But let's talk about Twitter. Yeah. Twitter. Twitter went through some stuff. Twitter had that like sort of a quiet couple of days. You know what it felt like? It felt like New York City after the hurricane.

After Hurricane Sandy. When the power was out for like two days and it was like dang it's kind of quiet which is kind of cool it's yeah it's kind of like you don't usually see it like that post-apocalyptic twitter pretty much yeah there was some graph of a i think it was a cloud flare thing it's trying to show that like twitter traffic did actually tank for a little bit sure i don't even know how accurate that would represent everyone's twitter experience. But if you use Twitter every day, you probably notice there was less stuff happening. It came back. Lots of random things keep happening at Twitter. And then one big thing that happened is they started doing payouts for verified users who

are in like a revenue sharing program. Yeah, it's essentially if you now get a portion of the revenue that is created through the ads that are only posted inside your replies so i'm sure we've all noticed that replies on twitter have ads now very annoying but i get it um yeah so those specific ads will now benefit the creator that it gets posted under yeah i tweeted uh to my subscribers on twitter so if you are a subscriber on my twitter you saw this a week or two ago. But I got a screenshot because I just got a pop-up when I opened Twitter one day. It says, congrats at MKBHD. As your share of ads, revenue, and replies, you're receiving $6,698. Your portion will be deposited into your Stripe-connected

account within the next 72 hours. Thanks for being a creator on Twitter. And you just hit OK. And that's it. There's no analytics. There's no, this isn't the last 30 days. This is, there's no like, here's the tweet that generated you the most or like any information. This is the only information I've gotten about this. And I can go into my analytics and try to find more. I can go into my Stripe account and try to find more.

Almost nothing. Interesting. But everyone got this screenshot of like, oh, I get paid for my tweets i guess yeah so let's talk i had some questions it sounds like yeah you can't really answer them so yeah my favorite thing to do on waveform let's speculate sure um there's a bunch of people and some people are getting paid a lot of money i mean i saw multiples over ten thousand dollars yeah um but one interesting thing here is i my two main questions are one it says that this is retroactive back to february february when it was announced interesting so if you think about that then this isn't just like

30 days worth of payments this is like six months worth of pain that makes a lot of which is a lot which under why a lot of these are very big do you have a separate payment for subscriptions yes it is separate so that is not included in this this is different and it's also through stripe but that this amount this new thing that popped up was separate from subscriptions subscriptions has already been happening it has a payout in a totally different way it's the same way but it's this is just it's not in the lump sum okay cool so that does actually help that because i was wondering like man some of these numbers i'm seeing are crazy yeah um do you want to go i saw jimmy jim mr beast posted one i think he did the same thing he posted for subscribers so sorry jimmy

but yeah it was the same thing it was like 25 000 i think i saw his so i don't think it's a subscriber i think i saw it so it's just out there yeah yeah so that's like six months worth of so you're you're looking at maybe a thousand a month basically yeah yeah so that's like six months worth of so you're you're looking at maybe a thousand a month basically yeah so you do the math six months six thousand yeah i mean not much to just share your random tech thoughts every once in a while to deal with the annoyance of ads showing up under tweets all the time that seems like basically i think that moment on twitter where it was like oh if i am a part of this program, I am incentivized to post more and use Twitter more because I will be paid more accordingly.

And anytime that moment happens on a social media platform, that changes the landscape of it forever. Like every time that's ever happened. Now, to different extents, like when that happened with TikTok, it was a creator fund and people didn't really make that much money so it didn't change it that much but when youtube got the partner program and started revenue sharing that inflection point changed youtube forever yeah so twitter finally getting this moment and we don't have any details about like what are rpms what are is it a shrinking pile of money is it a percentage like what is even happening we don't really know but the fact that it happened at all

was enough for people to sort of come back to twitter and start talking about it and figuring it out yeah and there's some cool parts of it you do have to be subscribed to twitter blue but i actually don't think that's that big of a deal if it's eight dollars a month and you're probably going to make if you're somebody making obviously over eight dollars a month right it pays for itself that's kind of nice the one question i saw people have was it says you need five million impressions over the last three months and two things here one do you have to keep that streak do you always have to have three straight months of five million in order to do that and then i also included this tweet on here which will show on the screen and I'll read

out loud, but someone named John Krause, I think we've talked to him for the podcast before he takes, um, photos of like SpaceX and like rocket launches. He has, his impressions are hilarious when you look at them versus having to have a three-month streak of 5 million because he goes january 6.7 million february 5.3 million march 4 million then april 74 million may 9 million or june 4.9 million so wouldn't hit it there and then july 101 million so if that's what it was he's well averaging over 5 million but he doesn't have the streak of three but potentially doesn't have the streak i mean this is a very niche amount of people that this would happen to but that would be super unfortunate to pull 101 a million impression

a month i think it should be i guess if i was going just by the youtube model you just have to get the streak once and then you're in the program yeah uh it would be hard to imagine getting 70 million impressions in a month and just not being in the program like pretty quickly but you know it's hard to tell we don't know my other worry and i saw this a lot of people saying this is just does this potentially incentivize people to steal more content on Twitter and post themselves versus retweeting or linking to original sources. Like why would you link to a YouTube video that might not get as many clips when you can clip the YouTube video and upload it yourself? It's obviously going to have to go through a bunch of copyright things now, which I think already is apparent on Twitter, just not as

enforced as YouTube. And now you're potentially making money like why would you like am i wrong on that no no i was just like that's a really soft there's whole movies on twitter it's like shrek one two and three right there's like like the super mario movie was in theaters and on twitter at the same time like this is reminding me of like the kick website they're just like yeah man come over here stream whatever you want like we're streaming the super bowl and it's like you guys know that's not gonna work for very long right and they're already starting to now like strike all these big people that went over there and are like i thought we could watch movies it's like no it's not the wild west it's the internet still there's still copyright laws that's exactly right so this is why it feels like twitter

and i've been telling people at Twitter whenever I have any contact with Twitter, like, please communicate more. Like, people need to know what the rules are. And at this point, we don't know most of these rules. Like, on YouTube, for example, we know about the copyright system. We know about how to get into the partner program,

what the requirements are. And then once you're in, how it works, you get all the analytics and the revenue sharing information so you can optimize however you want based on known info on twitter none of that is really communicated at all so you need people to communicate in order to communicate team turns out but like this would be super useful information for this whole inflection point to have the most impact but as of right right now, yeah, it feels like,

yeah, there's gonna be people who just go, oh, more Twitter activity equals more money. Okay, let's just post constantly and steal a bunch of stuff and post more because there doesn't seem to be rules that specifically enforce that, where when you do define them, then you get better answers to those questions.

Yeah, and I think a pretty good example of, even like like videos are pretty obvious you're copyrighted or like audio it's pretty obvious you're stealing that but when it's just like a random thought it's very hard to prove that you were the original of that and there are people that can just scrape not only twitter but a ton of other stuff we know there's somebody who we know got very popular on twitter from just scraping reddit threads about programming and now is like a has a very big following and just basically retweets and repost things that are already on the internet already and yeah probably is making quite a bit of money from this yeah and i don't know if there's any uh twitter copyright system the way you see it built

so clearly through youtube like that's that system that was built behind youtube like took years and negotiation and lawyers and paperwork and like that is built now in a way that it's part of youtube uh i hate to keep using youtube but like hey it's the s2r platform so they've got it built it's figured out so yeah this is something they've got to figure out whoever's in that office building. Just got to figure it out. I have a feeling they're just going to wing it. Until they can't anymore. Yeah, might as well. I'm sure there's also threads conversations probably about this because threads is so new.

I don't think there's obviously there's no revenue share program. But when they do start doing revenue sharing or ads or whatever, they got to figure that out, too. Yeah, we'll see. I'm interested to see. I am very interested with what Adam said, is like when are ads gonna start getting onto threads? I guess to wrap up this conversation,

I kinda wanted to see how you think, or like how has threads been turned into your just like everyday life right now? Because I think that's the most important thing. Yeah, well I guess I can, it's probably different for everyone, we can probably all answer this. Yeah, I would like to. For me personally, it's not on my primary home screen okay it's on one of my home screens though okay it replaced uh is twitter on your primary home screen uh no okay it's next to

twitter on my third home screen so it's you know it's made it out the app drawer which is cool and yeah i open it just for like the same level of entertainment as instagram interestingly it's not the same content but it's the same level of i'm just gonna scroll for a while and see some fun stuff and peace out um i was in an airport for four hours and just like flipping back and forth you know it's just like casual passive entertainment and once in a while you'll engage a little bit reply for some threads talk to people that's kind of what it is there's no dms so yeah that's just like surface level what i use it for yeah i i'd say my use case on it right now is like i still have that habit of just mine's in a folder right next to twitter but my my like habit is to just

folder twitter like it's just like such a habit to just like hit it. Yeah. So I'm so much more hitting Twitter, scrolling through Twitter and then being like, this isn't great. Oh yeah. There's threads and then going to threads and then looking at that and then maybe replying like once. And overall, my, just like my usage of social media that's reliant on text posts has just dwindled quite a bit. Here's a question. Yeah. Let's say you you you have a bucket of all your social media let's say it's uh i don't know 100 units have your units overall gone up or have you split up your units into smaller pieces like if you did like 50 units of twitter and 50 units of instagram are you now doing 50 more units of threads or are you doing less twitter or less instagram to make room for threads? Weirdly, I think I've probably just been using

Instagram more overall because it's just like seeing photos and being more following the people that I know in my like personal life has been, I've just realized like, man, as much fun as it is sometimes sometimes it's just like there's so many people bickering and arguing and like it's just more fun to stay away from that a little bit you mean on twitter but i mean like it's gonna it's gonna be a thread soon it's probably already starting to come in there my twitter has been and it got cleaned up a little but so bot ridden and i know you guys have mentioned that like there's a lot of that on threads lately i haven't seen it but i'm just not on threads as much i would i would say like it goes instagram twitter and then threads but i'm probably engaging more on threads but i'm reading twitter more

because i still think that's like a habitual thing that'll be very hard to break and that's and it's so like news based and there's so many like i like keeping up to date with news and that's and it's so like news based and there's so many like i like keeping up to date with news and that's because people i'm following when threads does that and when it becomes more like apparent and people are on there which will happen yeah i'll see myself using threads more maybe i would like a dim mode on threads not the dark mode i like dim mode on twitter not full black specific okay it is david agrees with me on this. I know David agrees with me on this. For some reason, it's like blue-purple almost.

Yeah, like super dark navy or whatever. It's not quite black. It's not quite full black. I'm hoping for a little trending topics page on threads. Trending threads, trending words. Are you guys using Twitter or threads at all? I've been using it. It did make my home screen um mainly because it's the new thing so i'm just like trying it out

seeing seeing what it's about um but i do like it because a couple of months ago i went through and like really curated who i was following on instagram so my instagram for the past couple months i've actually been having like decent experience, which is crazy. It's good to do that once in a while. There's actually interesting people and creators and things that I like that I follow. So when Threads happened and it all just transferred over, it's been pretty interesting seeing those people now.

I have a different experience than Twitter, which when it first came out and I was first starting to follow people, it was all tech people. So Twitter for me for the longest, this whole time has just been exclusively tech people. And now all of my other interests are also on Twitter basically because of threads coming out.

Yeah. Before you stop, did you see, um, they mentioned threads is adopting activity pub. They was like today, they've been saying that they're going to do that. And they've been like doing

their due diligence and going through it but i'm curious to see when it actually happens i hope they do because it would be awesome yeah it would be really cool but we'll see all right ellis i don't have threads nice at all no you have like every other one don't you have like some weird that's why i have a twitter no you can't make a weird fake account oh yeah you know what i mean so like i had twitter and then everyone's like oh you got to get t2 and then it's like oh ellis you got to get blue sky and then everyone's like oh ellis you got to get i was like enough threads is too late i'm done so uh yeah outside looking cool okay so if you see ellis on threads that is not me that's good to know that's that's super huge to know all right well i think what we're gonna do after the break

is hype or not there are no notes i have no idea how this is gonna work out i'm gonna judge which i'm excited for but before we get into that we're going to do trivia and then a quick break okay question two do you guys want a tech trivia question or a nature question agriculture you're asking marquez and andrew and andrew part of me wants to say tech because when i get the other one wrong i'll be more embarrassed so the audience you know what let's do a nature question nature question is this a nature is this a specific i'm still gonna get it wrong because it's a national park question or is this just nature it's just nature in general all right let's do that okay cool so how many grizzly bears are alive in the world jesus how how am i gonna why can i tell you a really cool fact i learned this week sure does it have to be now or can it be later is it related no it's not grizzly but it is wildlife right now

right now i need it what is the biggest natural predator to moose humans no like biggest largest size wise largest yeah orcas yes dude good job moose man over here what they swim and they swim up in like the arctic oh they do and orcas have been known to eat moose that's i don't think it's very common but it can happen whoa that's kind of crazy all right that's the best trivia thing i've that's claire taught me over the week it was good to know imagine being an orca and being like oh jackpot that's sick okay well we'll take a quick break we'll be right back You've always wanted to be part of something bigger than yourself. You live for experience and lead by example. You want the most out of life and realize what you're looking for is already in you. This is for you. The Canadian Armed Forces, a message from the government of Canada.

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or hypothetically speaking. There's a ton of names. That was the name. Yeah. Basically, what we're doing is me and Ellis are going to go back and forth and name things in technology, maybe not in technology, mostly in technology. You guys have to tell us whether that thing is overhyped, underhyped, and I'll give you each one perfectly hyped. Okay. So you can use your one perfectly

hyped throughout this round and just be like okay yeah i think that's pretty good and we have to use the perfectly hype in this scenario we can't retroactively go back yes because you want to like kind of save the perfect yeah you got to save it for when you're really stoned it's more spicy if you have to use it exactly with fair okay cool Okay, cool. Okay, so I'm going to start off with an easy one. Okay. Red cameras. That's not easy. Are they?

Yeah, like. That's not easy. Because to two different communities, there's two very different answers. Yeah, that's, I want to get into that. Give me both. Okay, so among normal people, overhyped. Agreed. Nobody should get one well they're also overhyped because like so many people are just like marquez uses a red camera that's why everything looks

amazing right they don't have any talent it's just the red camera right and like red built their brand up in a way that made that easy like good job red you have a strong brand people see red cameras and go oh wow nice camera uh but in like the video making community i think they're i don't know if they're appropriately hyped or underhyped but like i think they're really good especially for a one person oh as a one person shooting manual focusing camera as far as that goes i can't get better quality out of any other camera me personally so i'm trying to average them i guess it's like slightly underhyped i'm definitely not using my perfectly hyped on the first one it is hard to

say underhyped because like you can pull a lot of incredible footage out of a lot of cameras and like it's really hard to be like oh yeah people aren't giving red enough credit because i think they're getting no i think they're getting their credit very obvious they're getting their credit but like you said not many people ever need to have one especially in our job the way we use them like we pull thumbnails as a still frame from a video and it is a 33 megapixel full frame still that's unreal to get that from video frames but i think as an average i have to say they're overhyped i think i kind of have to say they are overhyped yeah yeah yeah all right overhyped consensus yeah all right l is europe this isn't as uh near and dear to my heart okay licensed dongles like if you want to use some software you have to plug a dongle into your computer.

And I actually have a comment I want to add on this, because I feel like they're universally loathed. I've never used one, but I feel like I would hate that. Here's the way I feel, right? I use a lot of expensive software in my day-to-day, and I have multiple computers. Right. And I don't want to have to buy that software twice so as annoying as the dongle is it does let me multiple computer my stuff which is why i'm throwing under hype that's what it sounds like i i feel like i have this is a little bit different but on our netflix account you're only allowed to download to two different devices, but I've switched my phones enough time that I'm pretty sure there's a phone

that has downloaded stuff on it that's not deactivated, and I cannot figure out. So I only can download, I have to, when I go between my computer and iPad and phone, I have to keep deleting them off of it because I can only do one. So if I just had a dongle that forced me to do it, I would always know where it is.

Yeah, SoundCloud does that, but I don't, it's my phone, so I don't want a dongle that forced me to do it. I would always know where it is. Yeah, SoundCloud does that, but it's my phone, so I don't want a dongle. I don't want to plug it in. That's the problem, yeah. On a phone is a pain in the neck. NFC dongle. That doesn't exist, but it could. A physical dongle, though, is a pain

because you always have to bring it with you. And then if you have multiple softwares, now I'm going to look like the middle school janitor of keychain of software dongles walking around. That was me in college. Yeah, I would say it would be nice if this expensive software could also just log into more than one computer at once.

So I'm going overhyped. Fair enough. That is the correct answer. Okay, mine is Twitter-like services. So Mastodon. Oh, overhyped. Easy is the correct answer. Okay. Mine is Twitter-like services. So Mastodon. Oh, overhyped. Easy. All of them.

They're all over. What? Every single one, including Twitter, is overhyped right now. Well, yeah, the average would be overhyped. It literally has to be their marketing is to overhype it. Mastodon is overhyped. Blue Sky is overhyped. But they're only overhyped in our communities.

Fair. True, true, true true ask your cousins about mastodon what do they think like so then in that sense it's like everything is overhyped except for threads which is is actually pulling out of the the uh tech community and going to the normies out there and um but i still think overhyped overall i mean the other thing is is like all the smaller ones is everyone wants to be like i have a blue sky invite it's so incredible i was there i was screw everyone yeah whatever you just wouldn't know because you didn't get to try it and

that's overhyping like crazy threads did have a couple days there where they would put a little badge on your profile for what user number you were and the clout that i had was i was like top 1000 and there were people who had like i was number 103 million 78 266 and it was like i had a little little piece of me that was like yeah i was i was one of the early people are selling the vanity number accounts like 420 it's already gone already it's already and now it's just it's just the threads logo just like we thought it would be. Oh, I didn't even notice that. Yeah.

Cool. Yeah. I guess. Threads not that up, I guess. I think you have to turn it on, though. I think it's off by default. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Either way. They'll turn that on by default very shortly. Yeah, I agree with you, though. I think they're overhyped. Overhyped, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Overhyped, Ellis. RGB lighting. Overhyped, next. Overhyped. Yeah. I hate it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Overhyped, Ellis. RGB lighting. Overhyped. Next. Overhyped. I think even like... I hate it. Yeah.

Even the crowd that likes it doesn't even really like it anymore. Do we consider these lights behind us RGB lights? They do everything. I believe these are RGB IC. I think RGB was a mistake. It was fun. But even you look at like think of main gear custom computers their big ones selling now are like the stealth versions that have like yeah very like

the lights are one color and it's only to really accent all the really cool water cooling and like parts exactly so we've definitely gone from the r RGB everything, like burn your retinas into the like, wow, this is a cool, sleek, beautiful. Even Razer's kind of doing it. That $280 Razer mouse, no RGB. Beautiful. Mostly for weight saving. There was an era where I refused to get a mechanical keyboard

because they all had just like, you'd plug it in and it would just be like blasting you with RGB light waves for some reason. reason it's a keyboard i don't need this we have an extra fire one where it's not even just through the keys it's literally the whole base plate is blind you you want to see any of your letters you're just gonna see green red and pink lights all the time yeah that was tough i'm i'm going overhyped okay tensor g2 is an interesting one is anyone hyping it that's the question besides google and david i wow this is a tough one i mean if you're going camping you got to bring the tents right

I mean, if you're going camping, you got to bring the tents, right? The G2 is better in the... That is tough. It's not... Okay, I can evaluate how good it is, but I don't know how to evaluate how hyped it is. It's pretty good, but it's not that great. Like in the Pixel 7 and 7 Pro, it's decently performant and okay battery life. And for some reason, the Pixel Fold, it's quiteently performant and okay battery life and for some reason the pixel fold it's quite nicely performant and not good battery life at all but is it hyped at all that's kind of i don't

i think i'm gonna throw it as underhyped because just it hasn't reached the level of us like considering it like when you talk about all android phones you're like this has the latest snapdragon and like tensor is just such in this category by itself where ios is as well but they've had years of making that so you're used to saying this is like the new a whatever chip and then tensor is just we've only had two years of it three years yeah so like i think it's underhyped but it's i don't know is the uh would you say the a16 bionic is overhyped or underhyped i think all phone chips are overhyped if i'm being honest i think i could say that the a16 bionic is underhyped i could argue that i was gonna say all phone chips are underhyped because they're tiny little computers in your pockets

that are that are doing these crazy things like processing on device, building a voice out of scratch from your own voice, just like weirdly capable. Yeah, and then I see like 10 Qualcomm videos out of Hawaii that are like the new Snapdragon video, and I'm like, this is overhyped. Nobody cares about this right now. They're definitely overhyped in those.

I think just for law of averages sake, I'm going perfectly hyped. You're using your perfectly hyped here? I'm using... Because if I say overhyped, that implies that there is any hype at all about Tensor. And I don't think there is. I just don't think there's really any hype about Tensor.

And if I say underhyped, that would have to imply that Tensor is like better than expected in some way, but it's not. It enables a couple different things that are pretty cool i mean the speech to text is super fast and google assistance good on device and it does have now playing in the background i guess that's under okay i think i'm gonna go under you talk me into it i think now playing is pretty sweet i'm going

under hyped now playing just for that one feature yeah which only works on tensor device it literally can't work on anything else it works in tensor g1 as well though okay but i'll snapdragon could never let's go underhyped wait that was only a g1 feature g1 and g2 i thought now playing's been on pixel for a while yeah it's both the tensor chips i thought it was pre-Tensor though. Really? I think my Pixel 4 had it. Yeah, Ellis, just give me the thumbs up. Never owned one. Sounds overhyped.

So that's not a Tensor feature. I think it's been there for a bit. And it never works when you want it to. I swear, now playing I think is so cool, and every time I'm like, what song is this? And I tap my phone to see my phone to see it nothing's okay so there is something to it and i have a tiny rant about this and it is complete speculation because i don't know how this feature works but if you are sitting in a car and the radio is playing and the the song you know you change the

radio station it pulls up in the middle it will listen to the first five seconds of the song and instantly tell you what that song is and that is amazing and i think what then it happens is it knows at what part of the song it was in and it doesn't start checking for a new song until it gets to the end of where it thinks that song would be so if you were in a four minute song and you pull up in the middle of that song you're not getting another now playing answer for two more minutes. And so if you're shuffling through radio and you get one ID'd and then you shuffle to the next radio station,

you won't get it. If that's how it works, I want to talk to the manager. I think that's how it works. I love the conspiracy aspect of this is like maybe that's how it works because that's totally something that I would believe would happen

if that's how I realized it. And that kind of makes, I think Now Playing is awesome. I just realized I don't have it on my Zen phone and I've been using it for like a month. So apparently I didn't use it very much. It's good. It's good in Ubers. All right. So are you into Perfectly Hyped then?

If the thing you thought was- I'm sticking with Perfectly Hyped. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Tensor G2. So you used your Perfectly Hyped and it still has his. All right.

Streaming TV sticks. Hmm. yeah tensor g2 so you used you're perfectly hyped and he still has his all right streaming tv sticks is there any hive at all about these i think it's overhyped because they're pretty much useless at this point are they they're mostly built into tvs aren't they exactly well i mean we're saying we're saying i wouldn't consider that built into the tv i would just not consider that a streaming tv stick anymore but you can you can you're talking about like a roku stick that you plug into an hdmi port at this point to turn a non-smart tv into a smart tv right it's fine it's fine i mean most new tvs have the roku or youtube or netflix built in yeah and so if you have an old TV, you plug in a stick and it works. Exactly. I use one for my like garage TV

that I'm not going to buy a new TV for my garage because I rarely use it. And the chances of it breaking out there are, it's like a 10 year old TV that I just have a Chromecast in there. Yeah. Maybe I'm just like in a bubble here because my family is always super excited

about all of the new sticks because they can like hack it and put the Cody on it and all these crazy things. Do they have an Nvidia shield? I know that's the thing everyone loves. Sounds like it's overhyped. I am not going to answer that.

Is the shield one of the sticks? Are we counting the shield? People still use that. I have friends that use that shield and they love it from all the stuff they've done. People love it. I don't even know what it is like there's like a shield mod community yeah yeah i guess i gotta go overhype them i'm gonna say overhyped sorry guys i'm sure

there are people out there where they haven't bought a smart tv yet but you will soon and it will be useless yeah good thing it's only like 40 bucks usually. Next one. Widgets. Underhyped. Underhyped? Yes. Like touchable widgets scrolling on the Apple Watch it's supposed to be coming. Widgets in general are so good. And I've seen so many iPhone home screens since widgets have come out that don't have widgets.

And I'm like, guys, what are you doing? You're missing out. Widgets are so useful. I think I'm going to use my hyped, my correctly hyped one here. Your one perfectly hyped on widgets. Because I do agree there are some that are incredible, but there are way too many that are just so pointless and take up your entire screen and just turn into clutter.

I don't get all the new widgets on Mac because you're always going to have windows open and that seems crazy. I think I don't really use widgets that much. I'd rather like have a nice clean home screen. I do think I do agree. A bunch of them are great. Widgets on the Mac are pretty dumb. Yeah.

I don't understand that. But I think some on phones and iPads are like incredible. So like by average, they're perfectly hyped. Yeah. On on widgets for Mac at the moment that they were announced at WWDC, massively overhyped. I'm just going to pull up the optional widgets I can put on my phone right now. But I can't live without my calendar widget on my phone.

The ASUS launcher widget, cool. My authenticator widget. Actually, that might be kind of nice. Yeah, see? You're about to log into Twitter. You just go home and boom, there's your code. What is my Bank of America widget? Because I want to send money through Zelle

in a widget on my phone. That sounds reasonable. That's insane. That is insane. That is crazy, right? of america widget because i want to send money through zelle in a widget on my phone that sounds reasonable that's insane that is insane that is crazy right the chipotle widget which just says to sign in to get rewards i definitely need a shortcut on my phone there's a good one the tesla widget constantly displays how much battery you have unless you lock and unlock that's pretty good solid it's pretty good i do not need the in brighton widget actually no i love it see see have you looked at your widgets i love widgets there's so many good ones i can't i can't go underhyped for widgets because not enough people use widgets i have to go sorry i

can't go overhyped i have to go underhyped widgets i'm just gonna add the reddit is fun widget just because it's still there even though it doesn't work at all r.i.p i think i'm just gonna add the reddit is fun widget just because it's still there even though it doesn't work at all r.i.p i think i'm just gonna keep what is the tiktok widget oh it'll just like launch you into the tiktok camera right away oh damn you gotta be tiktoking a lot to do that okay cool i'm gonna stick with perfectly i don't use widgets well enough so i understand they're there but i can't call them overhyped okay overhyped or underhyped the brown lucid underhyped you like it it's awesome it's two-tone right yeah it is it's the oh no we saw that in california it's the loafers of it's rough it's the loafer i don't i don't think there's that much hype, but I'm still going overhyped.

I think the Lucid in general design is underhyped. I think people hate on it too much. And it does look, I think it looks good. And in some colors, it looks really good. It looks like a... Brown ain't that color though. It looks like a whale shark. Whale shark.

Both sides look like a whale shark. Yeah. Yeah. So what did you guys go with? Overhyped? Overhyped. overhyped overhyped the brown is probably overhyped because if one person likes it then it's over yes exactly yeah sorry to whoever is listening to this podcast i feel like the chances that somebody's listening to us in their brown lucid is actually reasonable so i'm sorry yeah one time if If you own a Brown Lucid, just know I'm on your side.

Send us the picture of us playing on your infotainment system. Handheld gaming consoles. Overhyped. Overhyped. Yeah, everyone's smartphone gaming. It's hard to disagree. Smartphone games. I think they're actually underhyped right now.

I think the Switch brought it into play and everyone really liked it for a while and now actually everyone's like the rog ally everyone's trying to do it and i still think the switch is just doing it the best and the switch is still the only thing i see people i went to the airport and there were i saw two different groups of people with a switch propped up on their suitcases playing mario kart on separate controllers yeah the switch is i've done that before it's awesome every other one that's trying to be like a hardcore switch is just insanely small demographics the switch is just such a it's the like perfect storm it's like yeah reasonably fun short games you want to play a bunch of what if your switch could be could run windows and be overclocked yeah and play call like 3 on here. It's just not something I'm interested in.

I am going overhyped. We're going to get a lot of hate engagement for that. It's fine. I can't wait. It's totally fine. I agree, though. I don't need to play Counter-Strike Source on the airplane. Or just use your laptop. The Google

Pixel Fold. I would like to go under hyped it's my hot take is it's not a hot take but it's more durable than i expected for a first have like sand in it yeah and it's fine isn't that crazy i had sand in it weeks ago to be fair i thought it would be broken by now it's the same i went so for those who missed that uh when i was first testing it when it first came out i went to a three day long beach tournament and i accidentally took it with me the entire time uh came back here i put i opened the hinge and and when i made that like a hinge opening movement, I could hear sand grinding in the gears of the hinge. And I thought, this thing is going to die within days of me getting back here. It hasn't.

Guess what I also did on the plane? I spilled water on it. Okay. There's a water bottle in the little thing next to my seat. And when I popped it open, it was a metal water bottle for some reason. And it fell onto the phone and it cracked the bottle open and it just started pouring all over the phone and i picked it up and i was like well that's the end of this phone shook it out like unplugged it from the charger

it's fine it's totally fine that's actually really impressive it cracked the bottle that's the metal bottle like a thin metal water bottle like what it sounds like though like the photos of like the old volvos when cars would crash into them and then the car would get destroyed because the volvo is just like a rock that's no crumple zone on that thing yeah that's the cyber truck this is the cyber truck of phones there it is it's the cyber truck of phones underhyped for sure pixel folds underhyped it's it's expensive i didn't say it was underpriced relative to the time right now it's probably overhyped because it's the most recent folding phone and that is always the most overhyped thing but like no the the mix magic 2 came out after oh sorry i guess yeah then i don't know so we're back to underhyped yeah underhyped sure yeah all right next one hyundai's

new design language spicy you can't get me to say underhyped i love their new design language i don't know just hyundai just well okay hyundai and kia because they're going to say underhyped i love them yeah yeah so i wait so no yeah that would be i don't think people are giving i won't say overhyped yeah i i'm very likely to say underhyped i think they're underhyped i think some people are giving them credit i don't think but even like claire all the time has been and this isn't even just their evs some of their just regular cars their ice vehicles are putting out tell you right they look good man they look great claire's like wow i really like like i saw a kia stinger here and i thought damn that looks like a Maserati.

Dude, the Stinger looks pretty sick. It's kind of fire. Like, I would never buy a Maserati, but the Stinger looks like one that I would buy. They're both South Korean, right? I believe so, yeah. Yeah. Killing it. Did you guys see the Santa Fe?

The 2024 Santa Fe? We looked at it this morning when you were here. That one was looking, yeah, we were, Brandon and I in the car concluded it looks like a Range Rover, but kind of like a. There's a very long conversation here about it. Yeah, we had a huge debate this morning. I think Alex thought it looked a lot like the R1S. But I think it's more Range Rover

style. It is a three-row, right? There's no way it's that bulky with only two rows. I think it's three-row. For a three-row SUV, I think it looks fine. I think it looks really good. So, wait, Andrew, you're saying... I think it's underhyped. I do think people are a credit i don't think i also think people are giving them credit they look really good and i think they still have the like cheaper brand just behind them but that

doesn't mean my thing is that like it look they look great but also like the car itself is like meh so that's good design because the design is so much better than the rest of the car that you are let down by the car which means the design is great that's true but i also think people are under appreciating how much of a moment in time this can be for some manufacturers as they make their first evs they can kind of turn the corner into being, into changing their reputation. And I think they're doing it at the perfect time. They're going to a new high school

and they can reinvent themselves. Exactly. Yeah, people call me Charlie or whatever else name you're going to make up. I don't know why. Wait, was that the Santa Fe EV? That's what we were looking at? No, I don't think it's an EV.

It's just a Santa Fe, yeah. Oh. Yeah. It had like tailpipes and stuff. It's funny because I'm looking at the Santa Fe out right now and it does not look like it has a third row. So maybe this does not. But there's not enough pictures, I think, in here.

Yeah, the regular Santa Fe right now does not have a third row. I don't know if the new one is going to. If the new one only has two rows, I'd take it all back. It looks like it has to have three rows also in terms of cars being like meh and the design looking good like didn't doug demuro say recently that like prius pretty much every car you buy is going to be fine and at a certain point just buy the one that you is that still true with evs though i feel like it's not true with evs yeah i feel like with regular cars yeah true of all the mature regular cars, gas cars and hybrids, yeah.

I don't know. There's nothing in here confirming that it's three rows, so it might only be two, but this does look like it has more trunk space than the current Santa Fe. Mariah described the new Santa Fe as, quote, having a badonk. It does.

Which is why I think it has to have three rows because if it only has two rows, that thing's got a trunk on it. This one's not as bad because some of them straight up look like they have like a saggy diaper like the ev6 i think looks like it has a saggy lucid the lucid kind of has a saggy diaper yeah just like too much bottom it has a saggy it does only because it's got that weird plastic piece that like like is like the corner of it the plastic piece that looks like a saggy diaper okay yeah but yep bro yeah look come on that piece i like the ev6

that's fully loaded baby that piece i don't think it looks as saggy there's just like too much behind the wheel back here you've seen like the porsches though that all have that like rear because they're literally rear engine cars and they have all the weight over the rear axle past the rear axle past behind the rear axle and that like also comes with the look of being like a i don't know if it's saggy but it has the same like rear bias i think it needs to be like more high hatchbacky to like have the whole rounded diaper filling yeah i don't know these don't these don't quite do it the which is a good thing i also think the the porsche's since they're using straight sixes a lot of the time it's like they they shape the car around that and they used to be air cooled too that's what i'm saying yeah yeah anyway sorry underhyped underhyped design underhyped

design i do like them i still like the kia uv6 by the way i love that all right one more one more are you ready overhyped underhyped yep applehyped. Yep. Apple One. I don't know what that is. It's the sort of consolidated Google One. Same idea. I don't know what that is. The planets. Instead of buying Google Storage

just in Drive, you get storage in Photos, Drive, Gmail, everything. Just cloud storage? Like your one Google One account. It seems like it's just storage and photos drive gmail everything it's just cloud storage like your one google one account it seems like it's just storage and a vpn i have google wait so apple one is cloud storage tv plus music and arcade oh and premiere also adds fitness and news plus and music did i not say music i'm gonna be if i didn't say music you might have if i didn't i read it off a list and severely screwed up so

apple one is just the whole shebang it's it all baby it's the whole enchilada it seems like google one is i'm gonna say underhyped just because i had no idea what it was but i'm also just like not in that ecosystem at all i think this is good i think i generally think streaming services are like people don't realize how much value they're getting out of them. And I generally think they're mostly underhyped, like YouTube premium being 12 bucks a month or whatever it is. And getting ad free access to the entire like history of humanities video archive is pretty good. I think that sentiment is right and will be wrong in five years because so many streaming services are just taking full advantage and it's all going to turn into this

very weird too many of them asking for too much didn't netflix just eliminate their 9.99 basic deal so now rather than a basic no ad one device it it's only ad supported or the like $15 multi-device 4K streaming version. So what do you get for $15 a month? I think you get up to two devices or like two or three devices. You do get 4K and no ads or you pay $6.99 and you get ads. And then you get all of the shows that netflix has ever made in its history yeah well and ever hosted ever all the ones netflix made but like the ones that netflix didn't make who knows how long they'll be on there and you're in the middle of watching something and then they

just go away and even even that because this new streaming service pops up like peacock and takes all the office episodes off of it right yeah i i guess i don't know how much of a lot i don't really watch that much stuff that's not on youtube but i guess with the ones that i do use they are super super worth it yeah like spotify i have plenty of service like spotify is great whatever i pay for it it might be 12 bucks 15 bucks a month unlimited i tried to i was on a demo device just a second ago playing with something and i opened up the free version of spotify and tried to play a song and i got a video ad i got a video ad to listen to a song that's crazy so paying for spotify which i'm totally down for and getting unlimited access to music period is pretty sick.

I know people don't like paying monthly for things, but I think Spotify is like the easiest one. It's pretty good. It's just really hard to not from the user. Let's maybe use Apple music, but just like, yeah, if you use Spotify, you don't pay for it monthly. Do you? I pay monthly.

You were making that face like, don't look at me. Because I used the free version for a long time. I did for a while. It's painful. Because I just didn't care. I would just like let it play and then, oh, an ad, whatever. And then when I started like commuting and I was only listening to music, then it was a problem.

Oh, an ad, whatever. It's like, my music ends playing. Yeah, but if I'm like, buy Spotify premium right now. Also, you don't get to choose a song in free spotify um yeah i think you can only pick like albums and playlists yeah yeah that's how i listen to music anyway just albums but it would be like if i'm like doing my room spotify's whole reason it's like i want to listen to like when a new album comes out it's just like you can't listen in order doesn't like oh no by the time ram came out i was already listening i was already paying for it but there's albums like do you know girl

talk like their entire album is essentially one song and then just listening to that out of order sounds yeah or even like the incredible true story it has like a plot line you have to listen in order if you're especially the first time you listen to it you gotta you need spot i'd pay 10 bucks a month to listen to that album in order that's it do you guys remember itunes match i've heard of that itunes match was the so it was released at the alongside apple music and they said i had it i was the biggest itunes matcher of all time where they said i could not get it to work. It was so complicated to get work. It was $20 a year. And if you had a huge iTunes library, which I did, I had like a four or 500 gigabyte iTunes library. They would take all of your iTunes library, replace the files that were in Apple Music with like the mastered for Apple ones, and then upload all of that to the Apple Music servers

so you could open the Apple Music app and stream your iTunes library from anywhere you were. So I didn't pay for Apple Music for years, but I was using essentially Apple Music and still buying albums. Yeah. Damn.

But now it's gone. Yeah. I think we're just landing on underhyped. Yeah. I think that's what's happening. Dope. Good place to end it. Nice, yeah.

All right. We should get to the trivia. We have some trivia questions. Get those whiteboards. All right. I wrote down the first one already.'m not gonna change it so i was googling through the internet i found out you could wake up a computer with nothing but uh an internet connection and the name for this whole thing was so funny that i i just had to turn it into a trivia question so i don't know why i know this

the options are a womp that stands for wake on magic packet to clomp like a horse. Cashload on message packet. Three, stomp. That stands for sleep time over, Mr. Pewter. And four, alarm, which is an automated local access revive message. I think I'm ready. We're both think i'm ready we're both ready yeah we're both ready three two one oh man we just put different things marquez womp it is womp wake on magic packet bummed no one shows sleep time over mr pewter but clomp is a really good i was like you're not gonna think about

clomp why there's no way he made that up i've seen i've seen i don't know where i've seen this well what's the name of that that mario character it's like the um well there's chain chomp but there's also isn't the the large stone one called like a womp it's basically this like flat one with feet and it goes like and like smashes on top of you that guy's if he has feet he's womp but if he's floating he's a thwomp okay nice wow but that wasn't learned something new every day yeah i forgot yeah the floating ones like on rainbow road and mario kart and the other ones are in like uh like mario 64 and just run around in circles and just try and body slam you how many wolves are there is that what the

question was oh question number two marquez is already thinking about it how many grizzly bears are there in the world like what is the grizzly bear population? The entire world. The entire world. And we need the answer in kilograms. How many kilograms of grizzly bear? Pounds only. I'm going to be an order of magnitude off. Is this an exact number? Closest without going over? Closest without going over.

Okay. Grizzly. Grizzly. I'm going to answer and then have a question. Same. Oh, I'm nervous about my order of magnitude. Oh, okay. Same order.

Okay. I said 3-3-3-0-3. 3-3-3-0-3? Mm-hmm. All right, Austin. Yeah. I wrote 10,000. I guess technically we don't know closest until david answers which i believe

he will be answering what's the actual number the actual number is 55 000 wow oh wow okay so marquez is closer yeah marquez will get the point that's grizzly bear or brown bear grizzly bear according to worldpopulationreview.com okay well ask david what he thinks the answers are uh both for the acronym uh for waking up a computer b that is b womp that is correct womp wake up on a magic packet is the correct answer and for uh how many grizzly bears there are on planet Earth? 40,000? 40,000 is incorrect,

but it is closest without going over for that question, meaning you have taken the point away from Marques and Andrew. There are approximately 55,000 grizzly bears in the world. David, that gives you one point, meaning you are tied with marquez no i have two points because i got the first question right oh my gosh you have two points meaning you're in first place week one season three trivia how does it feel uh feels just like every other week we'll leave it at that thanks for listening thanks for watching talk to you guys in the next

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