Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - What's Missing From the New Tesla's?

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David start things off with Instagram Ring awards, a new electric skateboard, and final thoughts on the Pixel 10 Pro Fold. Then they talk all about the new Tesla Model 3 and Model Y standard editions before trying to explain a mystery cultural event in terms of tech. It's a chaotic one. Enjoy! Links: Instagram Rings post: https://creators.instagram.com/blog/introducing-instagram-rings Liquid Skateboard video: https://liquidskateboard.com/ Verge - Boox P6: https://www.theverge.com/news/794751/onyx-boox-p6-pro-e-ink-reader-smartphone-color-palma MKBHD - Pixel 10 Pro Fold video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl8RS0sR-qA Reddit - iPhone discoloration thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1ny7nt9/comment/nhssp50/ Decoder - RJ Scaring (Rivian CEO) interview: https://www.theverge.com/podcast/790685/rivian-ceo-rj-scaringe-r2-tariffs-china-ev-apple-carplay Gjeebs - Model Y Standard video: https://youtu.be/qbApdIzx29U?si=FTnDGNAMqTZJRWas&t=336 Everyday Chris - Tesla Model Y video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbApdIzx29U&t=336s Autofocus- Tesla Alternatives video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llRut0MpjfU This episode is brought to you by: ⁠Monarch Money - www.monarchmoney.com (Code: wave) Coda - www.Coda.io (Code: wave) ⁠LinkedIn⁠ - www.LinkedIn.com/mkbhd Music provided by ⁠Epidemic Sound ⁠ ⁠Shop the merch!⁠ Social: ⁠Waveform Threads⁠ ⁠Waveform Instagram⁠ ⁠⁠Waveform TikTok⁠⁠ Hosts: ⁠Marques⁠ ⁠Andrew⁠ ⁠David⁠ ⁠Adam⁠ ⁠Ellis⁠ Join the ⁠Discord⁠ Music by ⁠20syl⁠ Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It could become a thing. There's plenty of time for a gate on 17 to come out. We will cover it when it happens. But I don't think this is the gate we were all hoping for. Whoa. Wow. Andrew exposes. How much did Google pay you to say that?

Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So this week in Techtober, we've got plenty.

We have Instagram Creator Awards. We have a new electric skateboard, a new Books Palma update, of course, and also some new Tesla's to talk about. We're also going to wrap it up with another segment of explaining mainstream news in tech terms. And I'll let you guess what mainstream news we're talking about before we get there in the episode. It's fun format.

Sorry. I jumped the gun there. This is something that's been weighing on me for a little bit for the last week. I would like to open the episode with an apology to David, my good co-host here. Let me, to brighten up the apology mood, just let me tune my ukulele here.

Oh my God. David, last week when we were talking about the greatest product in the world, the Microsoft Crocs, we all laughed at you because you didn't know what a chef was. And watching it back and a lot of comments, I can see

where the confusion was and it was on me. I uttered the word chefs are the strictest type of shoe when I meant to say chefs wear the strictest type of shoe and I think it's a totally reasonable moment to be confused by that so I'm sorry

I still really enjoyed laughing at you it was really funny still but I'm sorry well you know Andrew it takes a lot of vulnerability to open up to me like that thank you and here on the waveform podcasts we're all very comfortable with our masculinity we are

It's crazy. That was the ukulele also. Oh, yeah. Did you know I could play? No, I had no idea. I know. You got to break it out sometimes. That was crazy.

But I totally, yeah. Reading it back, a lot of people, I was like, I understand it. It was still funny. It was still funny. It was still funny. I actually also have a correction from two weeks ago. Oh, shoot. Two weeks ago, we talked about how I canceled my Tesla Roadster reservation, and I'd be

waiting for forever for my 45 grand back. You didn't cancel it? Well, what happened? Actually, was a bunch of new sites reported on it because when I went through the Tesla app process to go, like, input the info for the refund, it said, here is the info and here is where you will get the 45 grand back, which to me meant I'm not getting the original 5K back, which I spent to get in line. turns out i did they also sent me so they wired back the 45k but then i also got a check in the mail days later for the initial five thousand dollar deposit so i did get all of my money back it just happened in two different forms and two different dates it's funny because out of all the things that happened that was the least surprising to me because usually there is one part of a non-refundable

deposit so i thought that was just didn't they call it non-refundable i assumed it was non-refundable i assumed it was It was refundable. It turned out to be refundable. So, yeah, I did get all $50,000 back from the register. That's the update from two weeks ago. So if you're out there and paid that, fight for the other $5,000. Yeah, because it sounds like you don't get it unless you make a podcast about it later. No, I think you should.

They just, I don't know why it's split between the wire and a mailed check several days later, but that should be. Probably tax reasons or something. Yeah. I mean, I did make the two payments separately, so maybe that's why. Oh, yeah, probably. Either way, here we are. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, I wanted to talk about just briefly the Instagram rings thing that I posted. This is something people were asking a lot of questions about, so I figured I'd just explain what it is. Instagram reached out to me a couple, actually a couple weeks ago at this point, and we're like, hey, we have this no idea where we want to reward some creators and give them, like, physical awards. Do you want to be a part of that? I was like, oh, yeah, it's one of those nice things that platforms don't have to do, but I think it's nice when they do. An example of that on YouTube would be the little subscriber plaques that they give. of people. You get to 100,000, then a million, et cetera. This one's a little bit different, though.

This one is a panel of judges, including the CEO, Adam Messary, picking a bunch of creators that they will reward for their creative choices and the risk-taking that they've done on the platform. And they were like, do you want to be a judge? And I said, yeah. So behind the scenes, I nominated some creators, all these other judges who are also Instagram people and creatives, nominated other people. We all voted on each other's submissions, and the winners will be announced October 16th.

I think it's pretty cool. The winners actually get a golden ring around their profile picture, and they also get, like, a real physical golden ring award. I just want the golden ring around the profile picture.

That sounds pretty much of, that sounds so cool. That sounds so cool. The background color of their profile. Yeah, they get some customization. Which they should just have on all Instagram accounts. It should be on all,

but you get a gold one if you're a ring award. Yeah. I have to say as well, I was doing research on this for the podcast episode to, like, put in the show notes, and I was reading an article about it, and I was, like, writing it all down. I was like, oh, it's a panel of judges, okay, there's the, you know, then I saw your face. And I was like, why would I explain this when Mark has literally a judge? Anyway, so.

I found out via a news article that you were a judge. That's why I was like, I hit you up on the side. I was like, do you want to just, like, talk about this? Yeah, it's been such a behind, it's been like a month of behind the scenes of me writing explanations for why I'm not. nominating these people and then going through all the dozens of other nominations and then casting a limited number of votes among the nominations to narrow the pool and then we did it again there's a smaller pool and I had less votes and I distributed my votes again it was a whole thing but yeah I even actually don't know who the winners are at this point they're going to unveil them all in the 16 well I do appreciate your nomination damn that was my joke I feel like it's like that episode of the office where they're giving raises with the Boston baked beans from that game and they're just putting them all on people's faces okay no I didn't I didn't Lots of confusion in this room right now. But yeah, it was a good time. So if you want to see who won, stay tuned to the At Creators account on Instagram.

It's me. Also, I interviewed Adam Messeri. I talked about this. And I think we've teased this before, but some of the comments about like, oh, you're rewarding creators while you're at it, you should probably pay them. And that is one of the topics that came up that we chatted about. So definitely stay tuned for the full interview. It's going to be its own episode here on the Wayform podcast of just grilling. Adam about Instagram for a while so I just want to change my background color to pink it'd be cool no I want

the gold ring that's fire the digital one not the real one okay I'm not apparently on your stories too if you are one of the this is literally only 25 people it will expand obviously when they do more of them if that is unclear that's an if they've been they've been very careful to not promise to do more of these be crazy but I think they will do only 25 people ever yeah got to change their Me and all the other judges by any chance? I have not. Spike Lee. Have you met any of the judges?

Tiny's there, too. I don't think I've met any of the judges. I don't think I really recognized him any other ones. I've recognized a bunch of them, but I've never met Spike Lee. No, I've never met him. Maybe someday. Well, next on the list, the Boops Color. Yes.

Okay. That's what I'm calling it for the rest of the time. Yeah. So, at EFA, I think that they preview this to a very select number of, reporters, but there's a new books coming out. If you don't know what the books is, I got it in my hand right now. This is the Bookes Palma 2. Ellis and I are Boots and Joyers.

We also are the books, right? I don't care. Okay, just clarifying, in case you're confused, we will continue to call Boots for the rest of it. Yeah, when we first got them in the office and we were all, all of us, we're super into it. We just thought it was books until someone was like, it's definitely pronounced books. Because that makes way more sense.

because it's an e-reader. But we fell in love with books. Yes. Yeah. So it's an e-reader that runs Android, and it's in the shape of a phone. So it's a phone without the networking capabilities. It does have Wi-Fi. I love it because I have the Kindle app on it, and I can just, like, push EPUB files on my

laptop, and then it shows up on here. And because it has Wi-Fi, if I need to do something Internet-related, I can, it's pocketable because it's the shape of a phone. Most people think I'm just looking at my phone, but I actually reading a book. It's pretty awesome. No one knows you're a nerd. No one knows you're a nerd. And the camera.

The camera, it's got a document scanner camera on the back, which is very fun. You're underselling it. It has a really cool, fun, plastic lens. And since it has no camera app, you can only use open camera, so you get no computational photography on your exposures. Have you pulled images off of it? Are they like full color images? They are.

They are. Have you not seen the photos? I've taken... When I reviewed this, I was using the PDF scanner to, like, look through the view finder, but it's obviously still black and white, so I'm not looking at the full color photos, but I never even thought about pulling. They are cold color. They're fun.

They're tastefully bad, hilarious. In a way that is good. Anyway, they're making a Bukes P6 Pro, which I assume the P stands for Palma. But right now, it is only announced in China, which is a bummer because I want one. But there are a couple different versions. They're making one with 8 gigabytes of RAM and 1208 gigabytes of internal storage with up to 2 terabytes via micro sd there is 5g sim capabilities yeah oh but it is not yet clear whether or not the 5g means that you're going to be able to call in text people it could just mean internet

so that if you need to access 5g iPad i guess you could yeah wait i have a question about the naming of it yeah you say the p stands for palma probably makes sense i'm not sure it just But the sixth stands for four releases past the last version, which was the Palma 2. Yeah, I'm not really sure. Okay, I'm just a little confused on that part. Books, books, books does have multiple devices. They have ones that actually look more like standard e-readers as well, but the Palma just blew up. This is the year of skipping numbers.

Yeah, that's true. You know how Shami just skipped numbers to get to this? They went straight to 17 to match Apple. Shami 17 Pro Max. The one plus two. Well, not the one plus two, but the one plus. 14 and win straight to the 15 yep because they don't like four they don't like four but it's 14 it has a four in it no fours at all if you write out the symbol for it I'm sure

you have the number four in it and they just don't like so the whole 40s yeah I'm sure they won't have anything 20 years exactly yeah was there a p40 pro for Huawei no I thought there was a p40 did you go from p30 to p50 I think it's only one plus that is skipping the fours yeah okay interesting all right well the book the book's P6 pro is going to have a black and white version. It rolls off the tongue. Black and white version that's, I believe, like 300 DPI, and then there will be a color version that will be able to be used with a stylus, which is interesting.

Are they going to make a stylus or it's just stylus compatible? They will sell silas for it. Yeah. So that's cool because if you're like, you can mark up books and stuff, you know. Oh, interesting. On your e-reader. Wow. So you can underline things.

You can write little notes. Yeah. Yeah. I used to do that with books. Yeah. boots. And you can still do that with books, too. Now you can keep doing it with the books. Yeah, but it's portable. Books, Palma. And they also upgraded the camera by quite a bit to 16 megapixels for higher-risk scanning. For higher-risk PDF scanning. It is ironic. We were talking

about this slightly before the show, but we were like, well, what if they made it with a 120 hertz display and full-color and it's a smartphone? And it's a smartphone. Yeah, the magic of this is that it's an e-reader and it does not allow you to do any of those things are there anything other than having a cell signal are there anything that you wish the books did that it doesn't do um it's it's pretty perfect i don't really have any battery life is amazing can i i think i mentioned this in the pod before but a few weeks ago i used my books in an incredible way where uh i was i was doing some like creative work at a music festival and there was this dj playing and i really wanted like a live feed of the DJ with like a bunch of like effects on it to go to a projector like that was projecting

this massive screen and the DJ and the projector are like 50 feet from each other and instead of having to run a bunch of cables or like do something crazy I just got an open source NDI camera app on the books because of its incredible battery life I just set it up on the DJ table on a gorilla pod and it just streamed for like six consecutive hours black and white. No, no, color camera. Oh, color camera. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah, because it's, yeah. And because I could turn the backlight off, like no one in the audience knew it was there. It was just like small and discreet. Stealthy. Wow. That is incredibly.

Bukes Palma, baby. Niche perfect. And it wouldn't have worked on any other device because the color screen would have killed the battery in like two hours. So it's launching October 9th in China, but international price and availability are still unknown, which is sad because I want it. So just had to bring that up for the Bukes Palma, enjoyers out there there's dozens of you thank i've seen that one i've only seen memes from the show i've

never seen a whole episode but i've seen clips that are clearly memes what show are you talking the rest of development i don't i know plenty of people it's arrest development oh okay arrest development is the one show that starts off on fire and everyone's like that's not like the office in parks and rec but they're like just give it a season a rest of development is like episode one banger i still won't watch it okay but that's good to know but you watch the racing movie yeah the f1 movie f1 that was a good movie i did i tell that story about how i watched that movie we talked about it in the car i watched the movie on the plane on the way to the medic connect event but we landed it's on the way to apple yeah same week no it was the week it was apple because i was with you

you watched it when we got those are back to back weeks okay so we landed but we landed 20 minutes before the end of the movie so i closed the iPad and went and like went to work for four hours before Before the climax of the movie. 48 hours straight, whatever, yeah. And then I realized as we were about to fly home, that I hadn't seen the end of the movie yet. But I watched the end of the movie right before we took off. Would you say it was predictable?

Yeah, I think the reason I didn't have to watch the last 20 minutes of the movie is because I knew exactly how it was going to go. And it did go how I thought it would, but it was cool to just get that. Yeah, versus Stappen wins WGC. Yep, that's what happened. That's exactly what happened. Well, speaking of things with wheels. Nice.

Wow. I know I'm pretty good at this. Did you set up the F1 movie? Okay, well. Oh, yeah. That was my multi-part scheme. Have any of you guys seen this liquid skateboard, this new electric skateboard that's... I did.

Kind of out? I watched the video about it. Did you get... This is one of those things where Tim and I both talked to each other where it got just recommended on YouTube. That's where I saw it first. I actually also got recommended on YouTube, but only had like 13,000 views. It didn't have a ton of views, but it's...

Why are we in the demographic that it's recommended to? I guess it still thinks we can skateboard. Hey, I had not seen a... I just click the link. It says the first electric skateboard that feels like skateboarding. Okay, so yes. You know, like we've obviously talked about boosted.

We have an entire episode about why boosted Rose and Fell. You should definitely listen to it. It is like OG pod content. But I feel like electric skateboards have kind of fallen off since then, at least in popularity. I'm not saying this one's going to be the next big hype one, but the interesting thing about it is kind of the most annoying thing about previous electric skateboards

was the remote and always having to have a hand on the remote all the time. Yeah. The way this works is there's a pressure pad on the tail of the skateboard. It's a very average-looking skateboard, not a long board. It's got big cruising wheels on it, but it's a pretty average, like, nose and tail skateboard with a big battery pack on the bottom. And that pressure pad on the tail, the way it works is you push off like you're riding a skateboard, but once there's pressure on the pressure pad, it coasts at the speed that it's currently at.

Yeah, it maintains the speed. It maintains the speed, yeah. So you can give it one push, step on, and you're going, like, kind of a slower speed. You give it a couple pushes and get up to speed, then put your foot on the back. Now you're at a higher speed. I think it's a really interesting way. The way you stop is take your foot off, kind of put it down on the ground, and slowly stop like you would normally stop a skateboard. Yeah.

Which is a great way to absolutely destroy your shoes. Yeah. This is why you wear vans when you're skating. No, Osir Osiris. Osiris. What are Osiris. Oh, please look up. Osir's shoes.

No, this is totally... You got Google Osirish shoes. Did any of you own a pair? I owned at least two. Really? They were so cool. Do you think you have pictures of you in them? Somewhere, not any of that I'll find by the time this episode comes up.

Not the Apple TV show Osiris? No, look up Osiris shoes. You're spelling it correctly. Okay. Is that like a god thing? Oh no. Is it? I had no idea.

The name is, I believe, an Egyptian god? I think the best way... If shoes looked like a Jet Puff Marker. Marshmallow mixed with a stegosaurus. That's probably what Osiris shoes are. Mixed with like Rob Deerdeck. The names of these shoes are clone, rise, ultra, peril. I just have to fact check Ellis here for a second.

Rob Deerdeck has always been D.C. Bro. What the heck are these? What are those? What are those? I didn't have, maybe I had that pair. They're rough. Wear your kicks.

I did not mean to send us to this. So people wear these to skate. Oh, yeah, obviously. There's a photo of them skating with them. But this is cool, though. The skateboard, I'm just reading about the skateboard now. Yeah. And it's $600 and it's pre-order.

So obviously, it's premium. But the idea is, obviously, if you skateboard longer distances and you just kind of want to cruise a little bit. The boosted board idea had a lot of traction and people loved it. It was cool. You can go really fast. Yeah. But this idea of feeling like a more natural skateboarding experience because specifically the motor calibration is really good and it's really smooth to rise. and can maintain your speed at whatever speed you pick that's clever it's supposed to feel exactly

like a regular skateboard which is cool the thing that's bad about skateboards at least the electric ones like this is you can just like pick them up when you get to the subway like that's the problem that i had i had an electric scooter like we have a bunch of the of things that we use in the office here some of the boosters are hard those are heavy yeah they're heavy but they're portable like you can just pick them up yeah i went to a grocery store with one though and i didn't know what to do with it i think having two free hands also is yeah you put your grocery zone It has a remote. You all grab it.

That's true. It pulls your car. I used to write the thing almost every day until the incident, so that's great. Fair enough. We'll let people debate what the incident is. I'll give a couple quick specs, spec update. Top speed, 13 miles per hour, seven miles of range, 10 pounds, two hours to charge, but swappable batteries.

Like straight up swap. I guess it's not hot swap because you... Do you need a... the wrench i'm assuming you need some sort of a wrench or something um but there it is 499 euros which is about 585 i think that's super reasonable what were we're boosted boards like a thousand yeah they were like 1100 for the top ones and an extra battery is 109 euros um it's not bad but yeah i think these are pretty cool i don't know what level of available these are because when you go to the website it says like it's pre-order now and says our last 20 skateboards for

2025 just sold out so we're taking pre-orders for next round of production so it it feels like they're minimal they're pretty new and don't have a ton of that's my manufacturing capabilities I believe the guys I believe the guy who invented it is from France that would I was just there I should have met up with yeah you should have just picked one up yeah right away yeah I don't know how available these will be I just thought it was a really interesting like idea behind it it would be fun to try okay well I would love to try that because I used to be a big e-scapeboard fan boy nice man did we mention it was called liquid I don't know if we ever mentioned the name okay that's what I said you said

cool yeah okay today as a recording is the embargo for the pixel 10 pro fold which you definitely forgot did not already come out um yeah I saw you recording B-roll for this and I was like why are you doing this so late and then I remembered that They weren't shipping it until October. Yeah. Yeah. So that, we'll do thoughts on that. And then I also have the pixel buds 2A, which I've been using for a couple of days and have some thoughts on.

Awesome. Well, I guess, yeah, let's start with the phone. So folding phone, several generations into now having a folding pixel. The main improvements with the 10 Pro fold are the new gearless hinge. It's much thinner and smaller. So the bezel of the primary display gets pretty close to the same distance. all the way around now. It also is this nice, like, thick, not thick, what's the word?

It's like a heavy, feeling, smooth action. I think it's nice. It feels nice. So it's a good hinge. And then Tensor 5 and pixel snap, and that's basically all that's new. And IP68, thanks to the hinge. Yeah. Outside of that.

And it's blue. Oh, yeah, new colors. Yeah. But then it's basically the same thing. And so it got me thinking, like, I've really like, this phone and I've used it for a while and I like a folding pixel, but the more I've thought about it, because it hasn't really changed very much in any direction since it started like coming out, the more I've realized that the idea of a pixel and the idea of a foldable

are the opposite ends of the smartphone spectrum, like on one end is the pixel, which is not the highest end specs, not the most powerful chip, not the craziest hardware or the fastest charging or the biggest cameras or whatever, but a ton of clever software, post-processing, AI, Google Magic, and every day people will appreciate that, and it's usually a pretty good deal. On the other end of the spectrum is folding phones, which are $1,500 to $2,000, which are crazy, like, premium, ultra-thin builds,

trying to have, like, the most maxed-out hardware, literal folding screen on the inside, and that's not really a good deal. That's a very niche thing. And so somewhere in the middle, there's a customer like me who's like, I want a pixel because I like the Google software stuff, and I want a folding phone

because I want to, like, max out my productivity. But for $2,000, there are way better folding phones than this, so it's super hard to recommend this as a pixel or as a folding phone. It's just a very, very, very slot, slender group of people that I think will actually be cool with spending $1,800 on a pixel temporal fold. I guess it has to be like you want the folding phone and you really want the pixel software. Exactly.

Yeah. So this one doesn't have the best cameras. It's essentially the same cameras as the last generation. It's triple cameras, but it is not as good as the flagship. It's not as thin or light. So you put this up against like the Honor or the Samsung Z Fold 7, for example, and it becomes kind of an obvious chunker. Like this is a chunk of a folding phone. So that's kind of a bummer for it.

The battery life turned out to be really good while it used it. So I loved that. It has adapted battery on by default, but I was getting like six hours of screen on time. Using it closed a lot, but still pretty good. but yeah that's not the fastest charging thing in the world not the best hardware in the world so i just yeah yeah it's just because i like the pixel yeah yeah i remember when they showed when they briefed us on it they showed us how it had pixel snap and how you could have it on the

wireless charger while it was open yeah and it just sort of sagged about it i was worried about that yeah i put it on my my dash to to drive with it closed and it's it's heavy but it stayed yeah it fine. But yeah, if you try to put it on a pixel snap open, it will sack. Which is a bummer because I feel like being a, when you're driving, being able to have the map huge on your dash would be really nice. But yeah, not quite there. Yeah. Maybe if every car company just did Android Auto and CarPlay and stopped whining about it. Yeah. We never have to do that. Yeah. It's what the users want, not the companies. Did you see Joanna's interview with RJ? And when she asked that question, I did. She was like, do you still hate CarPlay? And he like,

like went on this whole thing about why like rvian by the way yeah rivian rj and um he goes on about why carplay feels like car play and rivian feels like rivian and joanna the whole time is just like you're just lining me up for this and then he finishes his explanation she goes so carplay ultra you're gonna do right and he was like no yeah it was i listened to it it was literally she asked about car play and one by one he started going down a list of all the reasons why carplay is bad and every single one of those reasons was an exact perfect setup for carplay he was like well you know there's switching back and forth between car play and your car software is kind of annoying and then car play even when you're navigating somewhere like doesn't

know your status of your car and like how much battery you have left he just goes down the bullet point list one by one and I'm like she's definitely going to answer about carplay ultra wait when is car play ultra again car play it's a car play car play ultra integrates with the software and all the things that the car knows about itself so it knows how your state of charges if it's electric or your gas tank amount left if it's a gas car It knows all the other little details and control different things

in your car too. Yeah. So you never have to leave CarPlay. You stay in CarPlay the whole time. And that is also not coming to Rivians. Obviously.

Yeah. Well, at least they have good software. I'm trying to think if there's any other thing in the tech world where every customer seems to want it but no company actually wants to do it. You know what I mean? Like CarPlay, everyone,

if you ask Rivian customers, Hey, would you like CarPlay to be added? No one would go, no, of course not. They would all say yes, but the company absolutely will not do it. I can't think of anything. Who was it that put out that stat that was like 80% of customers will not buy a car unless it says CarPlayed. It was like, I do not think that is true.

The amount of Tesla sold proves that that is not true. Yeah, and Rivian's. Rivian is the most common premium SUV gas or electric in California. Really? That was also in the same interview. Yeah. It's literally the biggest market share premium SUV in the entire state of California. Oh, my gosh.

More than F-150? SUV. Oh, okay. Power 1S. California. Yeah. That's Texas you're thinking about. Yeah.

So, yeah, they're selling them without car play and that'll keep happening. Well, the PixelBuds 2A. Yeah. No segue? Just, no. Well, because we were already in this conversation. That was the side track. Pixabuzz 2A launched also today.

They're $129, which is a little bit more than I thought they would be, considering they're like the cheap affordable model. But they did add A&C this year, which is really nice. I've been using it for a couple of days. They're sweat and water resistant. They've got Gemini. They've got the ANC is pretty good and the base response is pretty good. I was using these for a couple of days and like, yes, they're clearly not quite as premium materials as the pro.

they have more plastic sort of in the body of the device, and I don't think they have wireless charging on the case. So there's that. But honestly, they sound pretty fantastic, and they integrate really well with pixel devices. And, you know, I don't... Is that the only downsides to the A series? Like, no wireless charging, slightly less premium materials.

Is battery life still good? Battery life is still pretty good. Yeah. The major downside to me would be lack of wireless charging. That's fine. That kind of seems about it, which is kind of crazy. I just got the Buds Pro 2. Yeah.

And I'm very upset. I should have just waited for these because these seem like a way better deal. I mean, the materials on the Buds Pro 2 are better as well. Eh, that's fine. Yeah. How much does this fit in your ears? You're like 229, I think. Oh, pro.

Oh, you also cannot swipe to control volume on these, which kind of sucks. So you've got to use your phone. How's the live translation? Perfect. Also, the battery life is up to 20 hours, whereas the Bud's Pro is up to 30. And the Bud's Pro probably. sound better? Yeah, probably.

Maybe? Maybe. Sound okay? I guess. Earbuds. Yeah, weirdly, these say they have talked to Gemini live, whereas the Buds Pro have talked to Gemini live in noisy spaces coming soon. I'm just imagining on the 2A, Gemini's like, it's a little too loud in here for

us to talk right now. Some microphone. Can we go somewhere else? I can't hear you, bro. Let's get out of here. Yeah. I like to sit in the table by the wall, so it's easier for me to hear people. Yeah, but these come in, these purple.

color iris and also hazel when they asked me what color i want i thought iris would be um blue wait what yeah they are purple i don't know how purple means iris but also the flower not no doesn't there's the famous lady that has the purple eyes i thought your iris was just the color of your eye is there a flower called oh yeah the iris is purple but some of the iris is a flower but some of the iris is are blue. I'll tell you guys about the time I got traumatic iritis. Wait, what is eyewritis? Iritis is inflammation of your iris.

And traumatic just means it's because I got hit in the eye with a frisbee really hard. I thought this is going to be a pun about how you're always right about everything. Oh, I should have. I'm right. I'm right. Missed opportunity.

Wait, so what did you have to do? I went to the hospital and they put drops in my eyes and it really calmed it down. And they charged you $3,000. Yeah, something like that. I got there myself. I didn't take an ambulance or anything, but... Yeah, that would have been $13,000.

Yeah, exactly. Cool. I also like the way you pronounce ambulance. Well, speaking of purple... Oh, I like that. I can't tell if this is a thing, to be honest. I don't think it's a thing. We saw...

Are we spreading misinformation? I will... We can delete this at any point from the podcast if it turns out to not be a thing. How about that? Well, I want to open this up as a conversation of do we think this is a thing or not? Fair.

Okay. The lens is, is this a thing? Is this a thing or is this not a thing? The thing that could be a thing or not a thing is a slightly color-changed iPhone 17 Pro Max. It seemed to go from orange to a weird off-rose gold color. There isn't really any other information about this other than... I mean, we know what the phone's made of, and we know how long they could have possibly had the phone. literally it's been a couple weeks since the phone came out and that's it it stems from a post on our

apple that has 10,000 up votes and 600 comments but other than that it's only really gone on twitter yeah it's a picture that someone says my orange iPhone 17 pro max turn rose gold and they say didn't realize it until everyone asked where I got a rose gold phone from and then this person has one other comment in the thread in the last three days that says someone said you when you turn it it it changes colors dramatically based on the finish and the lighting. And he says, I can send you a photo from any angle. It's rose gold. That's the only comment.

And I'm surprised on our Apple. A lot of people seem to be pretty like, yeah, this is weird. I can't believe it's doing that. But this picture looks off. I don't know. I don't want to turn this into like this is fake, but it doesn't really feel like a... I'm not buying it. I'm not trying to hear to like defend that it's perfect.

and there's no way this could happen. But I've never seen, as far as I know, it's like leaving things in the sun that gets stained, I've seen cardboard do that. I've seen plastic do that. I don't think I've seen anodized aluminum in a week or two stain from being in the sun. I just haven't seen that. Even if it was going to like wear down as you use it, it wouldn't wear down so evenly along all of the aluminum. I've had it before where I've had like brand new blue jeans and you put things.

in your pocket and it stains the hell out of them stains the thing in your pocket yeah so it's possible that he had some sort of pants that stained the aluminum but man part of me wants to go full conspiracy and say this is a photoshopped thing and he posted it on reddit to troll it's just like pink around the entire phone i'm gonna i'm gonna go with not a thing yeah i think we probably would have seen more people talking about i think like yeah a bit a verge or someone would have made a post about it if it was more believable but um don't say we didn't talk about it but i don't think this is a gate could become a thing but as a right now there's plenty of time for a gate on 17 to come out we will cover it when it happens um but i don't think this is the gate we were all hoping for

or mean wow andrew expose yourself how much did google say that i've had so many people call me an iPhone show when i've literally never owned an iPhone in my entire life classic all right well Well, speaking of stains, my reputation, considering trivia, I am so low on points. I've stained my reputation. But let's take... You're still riding that post-win high. That's true. Trivia. Welcome back to Waveform Trivia. Guys, today's question is about e-readers. Let's go.

Because we talked for the books. In 1998, Nuvo Media released. one of the world's first e-readers called the Rocket e-book. It had 106 DPI and 4 megabytes of flash storage. That's enough. Wow. According to the Mobile Read Wiki, which is an e-reader wiki. Nice.

How many books could it store? Price is right rules. And just so we're all in agreement here, this is sort of like the way Apple, when they had the iPod, you know, there's no. How many songs? Yeah, how many songs? Like, you know, whatever. Are we talking about, like, Good Night Moon or the Bible? You're talking about, that's a great question, David, because actually I have the number.

This is calling a book 400 pages. How many 400 page books? Okay. Okay. I'm trying to think it would be an impressive number back then. I guess I just read a novella because the book I just read was 297. Those are Ricky numbers. It's got to be at least 400, right?

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The pixel 10 pros folds Similar No, this is the new Tesla Model Y and Tesla Model 3 standard So in case you're keeping track there are a bunch of other trims of the Model 3 and Model Y, which are very well-known cars. They're selling all over the world, but owners of those cars have woken up to the news that their cars are now premium versions because there's a new low-cost version called the standard.

And a lot of people were talking about this because there were rumors for a while of like, oh, are they finally going to do a low-cost, super cheap version of the Model 3 and Model Y? Is it going to be like a $35,000 car or something like that? Like, that was a rumor people have been talking about for many years. And then they started teasing something on Twitter, and we saw some silhouettes and some headlights. And now here it is. It's the new, low-cost standard Model 3 and Model Y.

So I'm going to go through the list of things that they cut out of a normal Model 3 or Model Y and tell you the new price. And I want you guys to tell me if you think it's worth it. Okay. So you could get a regular Model 3 or Model Y today. Or a premium. A premium rear-wheel drive. Or let's go with Model Y.

I'll share with you all the things that I found just from watching the videos that are different about this new model and how much you save. Okay. So this new standard Model Y starts at about $42,000. So that makes it roughly $5,000 cheaper than the existing rear-wheel drive-based Model Y.

Okay. So for $5,000 less, you get single motor real-wheel drive but a little bit less power, so about 300 horsepower. So instead of a five-second zero-60, it's about a seven-second zero-60. The battery is about 10% smaller, but it still gets 320 miles of range. With the new, smaller 18-inch standard wheel and arrow wheel covers, it'll charge up to 225 kilowatts,

which is almost the same as the 250. The headlight bar is gone. It is just a normal-looking split pair of headlights, and the taillight bar is also gone. It is a normal-looking split-pair of tail lights. The only free paint color is gray. Okay. The only available colors, by the way,

are you can spend $1,000 to get white or $1,500 to get black. the steering wheel doesn't adjust with a motor anymore it's a manually adjusting steering wheel there's no more seat adjustment buttons on the front seats you have to do it all through the touchscreen there is no more ventilation for the front seats and no more heating for the rear seats there is no more touchscreen in the back you have just vents and USBC ports there's no more hepa air filter there is no more heated windshield wipers there's no more ambient lighting except in the footwell there's no more half the speakers seven instead of 15. There's no more FM radio. There are single pane lemonade windows instead of dual

pain. And you manually put the second row of seats down instead of that button that used to be in the trunk. And they removed the frunk liner. So it's a smaller and not lined fronk that could get water in it. And last but not least, they have removed the glass roof, except not really. I'll get to that in a second. But just on pure price of performance, do you guys feel a certain way about this new base model three so are all all of these things all these things you can get all of them for five thousand more dollars five thousand more dollars you can get all of that feels worth it to me for five thousand yeah this feels like a great this feels like a great way to sell a bunch of them for rental cars and then also price ladder people when they go to buy one into being like wow

i get all of that for another five thousand dollars i'm glad you said that that's exactly my take on this is it kind of feels like a price ladder first rung where you see this cheaper version and you look at it and you're like oh for only 5,000 more dollars I could get all of this stuff for quality of life and it will only be a little bit more expensive that seems like this people are reacting initially to this thinking this should have been a 30 to 28,000 dollar car which would have been nice and you can get a used Tesla for that but instead it's not as cheapest people thought it would be. Things like removing the heated windshield wipers

and also the like ventilated seats and stuff like that. I'm like that's stuff that you should just have new cars. You're going to say that instead of the FM radio? Yeah. So what's the last time you used the FM radio? I'm saying that's so much more default

than heated, you know? I'm saying if you're buying a brand new car it better have an FM radio. That's what I'm saying. Why the hell not? That's like $3. Yeah, exactly. I've got to be like five cents in parts and time. That's true. So here's the thing about this list.

And we were talking about, what's that truck that we were talking about earlier this year? The slate truck. No. This is a, like, this is a good idea in theory is to take a bunch of the expensive extra stuff out. This is what Rivian R2 is. Like, take the extra expensive stuff out of it and make a cheaper version. Make it a little smaller. I mean, the R2 is a little smaller, but they took out a bunch of, like, the speaker and the flashlight

and the extra, like, super high-end motors. And they make a cheaper version, and it's still almost as good. And hopefully you don't notice the things that are taken out, and it's fine for most people. Like, that's a normal process to go through to make a cheaper vehicle. But some of the things that they've taken out are so strange to me. Like, they're really odd. I'll go through some of the notable ones, right? So obviously a slightly smaller battery makes sense.

Smaller wheels, a slightly smaller motor and less power totally makes sense. The expensive light bar, get rid of that. Cool. the headliner in the glass roof is added in while the roof of the vehicle is still made of glass can you explain what a headliner is so when you look up in your model three it's like the biggest artist at a music festival god a headliner in a car they went in the roof a headliner in a car is when you look up and the material of like what the borders around your glass roof are made of yeah like that and like the pillars, all of that, like, material.

Right. When you look up in this standard Model 3 and Model Y, it's going to be just a cloth headliner. But the roof of the vehicle is still glass. So what they did was they just added a different, like a cloth headliner instead of keeping it open glass to make it cheaper, which is a little confusing. Did I actually make it cheaper? That's, wouldn't that make it more expensive?

It's a great question. It seems like Tesla's. saying that it makes it cheaper instead of just adding like re-engineering a new just metal roof but it's where so you can't see through it you can't see through it it has a glass roof but they've added headliner to it instead of re-engineering a new metal roof could you theoretically take that headliner out and have a glass roof again guarantee someone's going to try it guaranteed someone's going to try that we'll see it's probably just glue yeah it seems like it seems like they see it as being more fancy to be able to see through the glass and they're just like

trying to make it feel less fancy something like that Yeah, yeah. Have we seen a video of that? Because, like, this is on their website right now, standard. I'm looking at the inside and I see a roof. Because there is no glass roof. I don't know why that's the picture for the standard model three. It's so funny because it changes all the things when you go through, like, premium performance.

Like, it adds the extra lights and stuff, changes the seats. They just forgot to even edit out the glass roof. So even when you're ordering on the website, it looks like it has a see-through roof. Yeah. A couple other weird things about this list. I watched a bunch of the Tesla Influencer videos about these cars. All of them had this blue Model Y in their videos, and then at the last second, Tesla went, by the way, blue's not available for this vehicle.

So all of them have this, like, shiny blue Model Y in their videos, but they can't get a blue one. That don't, it doesn't seem like that's on purpose, but that kind of sucks. The other one that was weird to me. Potentially getting water in the frunk. Yeah, okay, the frunk liner, if you watch one of these videos, they open the front trunk. And instead of having a normal looking, like, lined front trunk, there's just a bunch of exposed wires and metal. And then a, like, kind of, I mean, the front trunk itself still has lining, but there's just way more exposed car part. And I thought that was, I linked it.

If you click the liner link that I put in the chat, you should link to the timestamp, like, five minutes, 30 seconds into this video. Wow. Isn't that? That seems sketchy. How much are you saving? Oh, yeah. There. It's literally like light plastic.

Yeah. Also, the HEPA air filter, like, isn't it really good to have that? And also, buying a HEPA filter is not expensive. It's more expensive to get a HEPA rated filter than just like a basic air filter. Yeah, but like not by a lot, right? And that's something like, so I haven't had one that as a HEPA filter, but you replace those filters, right? Like, throughout the car's life? No.

Well, the HEPA air filter, I don't think you replace nearly as often. Some air filters, you do replace. I've replaced one of mine, but that was because my car had a problem where water was dripping down into the air filter area. And so mold was watering in there. I've had Model S have that problem as well. Yeah. Yeah. FM radio, I have no idea about it.

I see what you mean about this roof. I'm seeing it. This is a video from Everyday Chris, and I see it in there. But every photo I've seen from Tesla or sourcing Tesla shows the glass roof on other websites. Yeah. Which either means they're wrong or. Well, it's probably on Tesla's It's probably Tesla that's wrong.

That's why? It's interesting. Yeah, I don't know, man. $5,000, like, if you're buying a $35,000 car, I agree with your assessment, Andrew, of it being, like, made for rental companies, and then also price laddering. I think price laddering. Price laddering.

Perfect for this. If this was a really appealing price, people would get it. If it's not a really appealing price, people will see it and go, if I only spend a little bit more, I can get $250. takes the storage. It's also a way for them to say, look, we finally did it. We delivered the $35,000 model three, which they talked about a thousand times and have only done for like a day at a time every now and then. And they still didn't even do right. It's 37,000. Well, in, yeah, in New York is 35,000 because there's certain states still have some rebates credit. Yeah, there's a New

York state credit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is almost certainly revolving a little bit also around the $7,500 and tax rebate going away. So they want to continue to sell these, and obviously now that that rebate went away, everything just got $7,500 more expensive. So this is somewhat correcting for that a little bit. But yeah, it just doesn't feel quite like a good deal. I will say the one way you can paint it in a good light is this is probably the best range per dollar you can get for an EV. For a brand new EV, $36,000 or whatever it is, $39,000 for 320 miles of range. That's pretty good.

about the Prius that has the solar panels. Well, if you're not, I mean, that's not an EV. Have you heard of that Tera? Huh. I actually don't think that gets 300 miles of range. So I think, yeah, that's, you can paint that in a good light. And as far as just basic, like, point A to point B, commuting, if I don't really care much about my car in that way, then this is 300 miles of range for not very much money.

And this would probably depreciate in a couple months. I was going to say, I would simply buy a used premium one for probably cheaper. That's currently the status of the lineup. The used premium ones are a better deal in a lot of ways. Yeah, and also since these don't hold their value like they used to, because of certain decisions. The glass roof thing. It's weird.

It's very funny. I can't wait until someone just rips out the cloth. I keep wanting to think, like, there must be a reason for whatever it was around the glass roof to maybe be more expensive. But it feels like even just creating the new skew or, like, new part. must mean it's more expensive to create to take that away here's how i think the logic actually works out okay they have this manufacturing process which has the model y which has a glass roof and then they have the part inside the car which is the headliner with the cutouts around the glass

roof right for this cheaper model and it would have actually cost them more money to re-engineer a version of the model y with a metal roof yeah and so to us it feels obviously just leave the glass roof, but I guess Tesla found a way to make it cheaper to engineer a new, even cheaper headliner that just glues in cloth into the top that is cheaper than the headliner that cuts out for the glass. Oh. So that is some way that they found a way to save some dollars and give people no glass roof, but the glass is still on top of the car.

Right. So, yeah, someone's going to cut it open. It's funny because they're using more material, more headliner material. In some ways. The headliner does look pretty cheap. So I think that's a very good. Yeah. What if they like, thank you?

Didn't try to make the car drive itself. Oh, that was my next question. Save $20,000. Yeah, so does this have all the hardware on it? Can you buy full self-driving on the website? It says you can. Yeah, the website it says you can. Well, the website says it has a glass roof also.

That's fair enough. That's fair. That's the thing that would make. I want to know how many of these are sold with people. buying full self-driving the might be coming soon feature for the last 10 years people buying this should be spending thousands of thousands of software for it. So couldn't you have just taken the software out of it and kept FM radio or the sorry the cameras and everything and just like had a non-potential driving version of this and that doesn't save Tesla any money

to not put the cameras in all of them? Oh the can no it still needs well it still has the cameras anyway for like the blinkers and the backup and parking and all that parking but it has like extra cameras that are specifically built for full self-driving right i don't think there's a distinction i mean maybe there's one or two extras but i think in general you have all the cameras around the mirrors and the sides and everything and then you use the cameras for normal driving activities and then they also use those cameras for self-driving software even like one's pointing forward yeah i think so I think so. What are you using those for normal driving activities?

When you build the 360 image around the car and, like, thrown in reverse and that stitches them all together, and you can park and see, like, your surroundings. That still seems like a more premium feature than... A lot of stuff. I agree. I agree. Yeah.

But would you buy a car with no cameras on it? If I wanted to save money, I'd probably rather have heated steering wheels and just, like, no, there's not a chance of drives itself. I had, like, stuff like that. My car, I mean, I do really like my reverse camera, but it has one reverse camera on my car. Yeah. That's all I've got. I have to parallel park every single day, and I need that. Yeah. I think there are some features that if you ask somebody in 2025 in the year, like, brand new car, would you expect to be able to buy a brand new car that doesn't have insert feature here?

Yeah. And I think for some people, cameras are like a non-negotiable. You have to be able to have that in a new car. But I think there's a lot of things on this list that are skirt in that line. I don't think a manually adjustable steering wheel is normal. A giant. iPad in the middle is probably not something that people says it unnegotiable. Yeah, but that does everything for the car. Like, they took away the, they took away the adjustment on the side of the seat to change your seat. You have to do that on the steering wheel still. Which, by the way, mine broke within, like, the first month.

So maybe it would be better if it was on the screen. Wait, what broke? The, like, a seat adjuster handle things. Yeah, they just snapped off. Oh, yeah. Well, now that can't happen. It's funny that it's, it's funny that it's just the buttons and not just that it made it like the typical, you know, know the sliding bar and the like uh oh just a full to go back and yeah yeah i i wonder if that's a

similar similar case of the glass roof would it have cost them more money to re-engineer a new seat that slides on a different set of rails or do they just keep making the same rails they've always made but remove some buttons i guess i don't know how much different the rails are or if it's based on like what's sitting on the rails it's also so possible that none of this made it like some of it just didn't make it cheaper but they just wanted to make the price ladder yeah i'm super very I would love to see, I want to see a list of how much per unit each of these changes saved them. Yeah. Like in order.

Yeah. Because FM radio had to cost nothing. I don't know why that's right. Probably just, like, it's like a radio, like a single part. Yeah, and this already has like wireless capabilities. It still has satellite rate. It still has other like internet radio. It just is missing FM radio receiver.

I doubt it. It probably has it. Maybe they didn't want to put an FM antenna on it. Yeah, the antenna. The $30 million. dollar antenna that goes on the car. No, no, but like, then you have to design it for a place to go. No, it's already there.

It's every FM radio, every car already has the FM radio. They are just removing it from the standard one, meaning they're saving. The premium does have an FM radio. Yeah, all of these Tesla's already have FM radio. They're just saving parts. I know. I tried to give them one benefit of the doubt. This is just parts money.

Parts money. That's it. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't think I'll recommend this. Yeah. This segment's going to do it. awesome.

Somebody in the comments on that one. Yeah, is definitely defending it for sure. Do we know if it ships with hardware three or hardware four? Or is that a stupid question to ask? The Tesla ecosystem sort of confuses me. That's a good question. I would assume it's hardware four because hardware four is the

newest, all the cameras and stuff that are always in the new generation. That was kind of the basis of my question on does this have autopilot? Because are we doing like the older cameras or the newer cameras? That felt like a I would assume cameras were more expensive than FM radio if we're still on that. So the reason I ask about hardware is because earlier this year, Tesla came out and said

Hardware 3 will not be compatible with full self-driving, which is what that whole lawsuit was about. Yeah. Because people bought cars with hardware 3 and then paid for full self-driving and then they're like, oh, sorry, you're not going to get it. Do you know it's going to be funny when hardware 4 is incompatible with full self-driving in a year? And then also they're not. They still haven't said how they're going to upgrade people from three to.

Anyway, but I was curious. And then I asked a, I was on, I'm on Tesla's website right now. I asked the GROC chat feature in the corner. And it was like, I don't know. Hmm. Yeah, I can't find that information. I think the two funniest things about this are the liner and all the creators getting a blue one and there's no blue one available.

The one guys that you could tell he changed the thumbnail to be white. Because it's a white car, you click on it, and then you go into it. It's a blue car. Yeah. Oof. Okay, do you have any final thoughts on that, David? No. Okay.

I will also shout out that if you were extremely unimpressed by all this Tesla stuff, that we actually, coincidentally on the Autofocus Channel, just dropped a top Tesla alternatives video. This is a subject I get asked about a lot as a car reviewer, so I just decided to make the video. Ten years ago, the video would have been very short. I would have just been like, Yeah, you should just get a Tesla.

But now the Supercharger Network is open, and there's a bunch of alternatives that are actually really good. So I rounded up Model 3 competitors, Model Y competitors, Model S competitors, model X competitors, and Cyvertrek competitors. So go watch that autofocus video. It's out now by the time you watch this. Anyway, it's time for trivia. Trivia, dude. All right, so I was so appalled by them removing the FM receiver

that I went to see how much it would cost right now on Ali Express. if I was to buy, just the piece. FM antenna? No, just the receiver. The receiver like little module thing. Price is right rules without going over. And that's one part. Just one.

Because if you bought in the millions, it would be basically free. So just one, how much do you think it costs? It's going to be no money. It's a USD? Can I just go zero? Oh, yeah. Price is right? Price is right rules.

53 cents. I'm guessing one cent. It was just no way. Well, it's, but it's only one piece. Yeah, I'm buying one on Ali Express right now. Three cents. How much did I pay? 53 cents.

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That was an extra long ad break. I mean, it was the same length for you guys, but for us it was really long because what we just did was... Clicked publish on the Pixel 10 Pro Fold review. It's out. It's live. It is out. We're alive. We're alive.

It's been live for two days. When you're listening to this, but... We love it, the phone of the year. Spoiler. TLDR. Spoiler. Wait, I meant... It's trash.

I mean... Somewhere in between. All right. Well, the last segment here is something we've been doing lately, which is explaining mainstream news in tech terms. Yeah. And if you haven't guessed already, I'm going to be explaining to you guys, Taylor Swift's new album, Life of a Showgirl in tech term.

Finally, one of these where I'm not. not the only one that's a that's a . It's going to be a long bleep right there, but for the non-Swifties and post, do I have permission to move this discussion into the left ear of the podcast and then play something else in the right ear of the podcast?

Everyone should listen to this. I tried, okay, listen, I know when I did the Christian Horner getting fired from Red Bull Racing, I did a very bad job at comparing it in tech terms. Also, not as big of a cultural event. No. We did the basketball trade one.

That one was great. That was a huge cultural event. So I found a couple ways that I think I can explain to you guys this album that I think will be the best way to show where it is in the Taylorverse. Can I tell you where I'm at with this album? Sure. I have not listened to it. Okay.

I came into the studio one day and so one said, oh, are you celebrating Taylor Day? And I said, what are you talking about? And it's because I was wearing a tailor-made golf shirt and so-one said, Taylor dropped today and they thought I had coordinated it. I had no idea. Yes, it was rich. So I heard that the album came out. I then proceeded to not listen to it.

But then my timeline on Twitter was filled with this unusual amount of hatred. Yeah. Or at least negative reviews about the album. And then I started seeing like a day or two later Instagram reels and memes about how bad the album is. Okay. So that's where I haven't, I still haven't listened to it. Okay. But I assume that this is a culturally big deal, and I'm excited to learn in tech terms what this is.

Every Taylor album release is culturally a big deal. She's just doesn't matter if it's good or bad. She's just at that level of fame. I think we can all agree on that. But so, yeah, the way I'm going to describe it inside of the Taylorverse is I'm actually going to do two things. I'm going to rank this album the same way that YouTube ranks the last 10 videos, which for those of you who are not familiar, the way YouTube ranks or shows your ranking of your videos

is when you publish a video. It compares them to the last 10, and at the time those last 10 were published. So it's a ranking out of 10 based on the last 10 albums that Taylor Swift put out. Now... In quality? In my enjoyment of it.

Okay. So it's more personal. To clarify even further, if we drop a video and it bangs, that would be a one of 10. Yeah, one out of 10 is the best. 10 out of 10 is the worst. 10 out of 10 does not mean terrible.

It just means out of the 10 we are comparing. How many albums does she have? More than 10. So that's why we are just doing the last 10, the most recent 10. I am including Taylor's version re-releases, but I am not including the random like sets at different recording studios. Okay, that's a whole other discussion. There's a lot to go here.

So I'm trying to be as specific as possible. I would like to describe myself as a above average Taylor Swift fan and a below average Swiftie. I think that paints my picture of where I'm at in Taylor fandom. Okay, okay, so. I mean, you've listened to the last 10 albums, so that's already a pretty high level of... And after I do the YouTube ranking,

I am then going to compare it to a pixel phone. Based on the pixel lineup, because there are 10 pixels. I like that. So I have two ways to try and describe to you guys where I think this album is sitting. Okay. All right, so first of all,

I think this is a 5 out of 10. Life of a Showgirl is a 5 out of 10. So it's mid. Okay. It's in the middle of her last 10 albums. Nope, you said it's mid. I did not say that.

You said it's mid. Very distinctly. I'm printing that quote on my website. Nope, not a chance. If we publish a video and it does five out of ten, did we not describe that as mid? You know, maybe she should work with some title changes.

To give you credit, to give you credit, like we, in TechTember, we notably, I think we talked about this last week, we had a video that went up as a nine out of ten. and if it had published in any other month of the year, it would have been a two out of ten because the last ten videos were all such bangers. Is this the case with Taylor where this album is bad,

but her last ten albums are all so bad that this is just mid? There are some very good albums in her last ten albums. So it's a big mix. It's a big mix. I think the bottom of the ten is a little weak in my eyes. I'll give you the whole list right now.

Yeah, give it out. Oh, I put it out. Okay, for anyone who knows Taylor's albums and wants to see where my rankings of this is. This is my list, one to ten, based on YouTube rankings. I have Red Taylor's version, 1989 Taylor's version, lover, speak now Taylor's version, Life of a Showgirl. Those are very close, four and five.

And that's one through five. That's one through five. Then I have Evermore, Fearless Taylor's Version, Midnight's Folklore, Tortured Poets Department. That is my ranking of last 10 albums. Didn't people really like the folklore one that was like well received? I personally like Evermore, way more than folklore. But both of them are pretty slow in general. But long story short, might just straight up

put ever more above. Doesn't it only came out last year of like 34 songs on it? I forget exactly what it is. I'm not a big fan of Torture Poets Department. I'm excited when people clip this and have hot takes about your rankings because I just know that that's what happens with this.

I think the scripty audience is very reasonable and will at least give me credit for having an opinion. What is the Venn diagram between the Taylor Swift? Hardcore Taylor Swift people. people in our audience. There is enough to whenever an album releases people saying, Andrew, what are your thoughts on the new album?

I think Taylor's reached a point where it's like almost the circle. I think a lot of people listen to Taylor Swift albums. Just because Taylor Swift is that. Just because she's Taylor Swift. Like she is everywhere. Did you listen to it? I have not, but I plan to because it's that big of a like cultural event. I'll tell you why I have it at five.

I think. Why it's mid. In tech. not in tech turn i'll do a quick i think the reason i enjoy it right now is it's poppy and it's upby and it's kind of what i like out of taylor stuff i think after being really salty about not getting errors toward tickets and definitely not holding a grudge at all around torture poets department this is the the album i was like there's a lot of really fun catchy music i don't think anything's that like totally mind-blowing i think it's impressive that she can make

me sing along to a song about travis kelsey's ding-dong in the car Wood is a great song Life of a Showgirl's great wish list Fate of Ophelia Opelite are all bangers really good, fun songs Shut up It's a

It's a It's a fun album I'm liking it If I can bring it into pixels Which I think you guys will more understand I'm going with no folds, no A series. We're just doing Pixel 1 to 10 as the full lineup.

No pros? I mean, pro and they're like in the same level. You know, each one has its version, the pro models? No. They're just their own albums. I think Life of a Showgirl is the Pixel 6. We got our debut of it's kind of like, it's bringing it back. It's new tensor.

It's a fancy chip, but it's not really as good as the other chips that we've liked in the past. You know, we were excited. excited for it, but it kind of paved its new way. Taylor's engaged now. We get big fun album of that. The Pixels 6 was like the new bowls. It's kind of broken a little bit. It's a, it's in the middle. You don't think of it as the peak of pixeldom. Yeah, for sure. It was like flashy and new, but it was also like pretty good colors. It made you kind of excited about pixels again, but you were still longing for some of the older pixels. You know, like, what would both of you guys say as peak pixel? Like, Peak if you had to

Pixel 1 I think I'm Pixel 2 I think Panda felt like I like to the shape of Pixel 1 That's fair Pixel 3 was fire Mm hmm Solie and bathtub nudge

Bhtub notch Batsub 9thub Soli was Pixel 4 I think 3XL was it Pixel 4 Yeah okay then I need 3XL was Bathtub notch Pixel 4A was peak pixel 4A is probably the best

But you said no A's yeah No A's yeah um okay cool i i i for reference i had red tv as pixel two because i think that is like what is it what's tv it taylor's version oh sorry that's the re-release album of 10 it's the one that includes the 10 minute long version of taylor of um all too well it's uh i'm trying to think of if i can describe this album it's like a straightly manifesto song yeah except it's good um excuse me i'm about to go to my six i'm about to go to my six i'm about to go to my six

show this year that's that actually will be pretty fun yeah yeah I think pixel too felt like peak I think panda pixel felt like are you saying the writing are you saying Taylor Swift's writing is better than Streetlight Manifesto probably we're not doing this this discussion is not I I've thought about this when I saw it in the script yesterday and I want you know and I'm glad you chose pixel because when the the the tech terms that I got ready you know to explain this record is I think Taylor Swift is like Google. I don't know if there's other pop stars

that you compare to other tech companies, but when I mean that to say, Taylor Swift, you literally could not get more famous than Taylor Swift. You also, as a musical artist, really could not get more wealthy than Taylor Swift.

Like she has done it all. She sold more records than anybody. She toured for two years. There were literally a global shortage of Taylor Swift tickets. She's a billionaire. In the same way that Google, while they're not the most valuable or profitable company that ever was, in a lot of ways, is the most privileged company that ever it is. They have access to more information than any other single human source in history.

They have offices all over the world. They have talented people everywhere. They were some of the first people to deploy transform models, you know? Yeah. And also, both Taylor Swift and Google love, despite their pedigree at the time. of their respective fields. So scared for this. They love to play the victim, right?

They love to be like, Apple is being mean. They won't let their users text our users, and they won't even adopt our stupid open source RCA. And then, or they like, remember the pixel? Was it like the 7A or the 8A when they brought back the headphone jack? And they were like, your favorite phone company doesn't even have the circle, you know? And the same way that Taylor Swift, you know, will... Yeah, what does she do?

Yeah, what does she do? Write a song calling another artist who said something actually nice about her, a drug addict, you know? And so I think a lot of the negative reaction to this album isn't actually about the quality of the music. I think it's in the same way that Google this year, you know, after years of being like, guys, we're trying to do Gemini, but we want to make it safe. I know it's worse. Or like, guys, Apple's so mean to us. It's like, all right, Google, cook.

See what you can do. And what did we get? We got Jimmy Fallon, yelling tensor. Tell me if this is accurate or not. I'm trying to feel like I understand this, the implications and the overreactions and underreactions from both sides. I think you should take Twitter reactions out of it. I think we know the Twitter audience these days, and I don't think they're the ones you are going to go talking about Taylor Swift. I'm going to loop both in.

I'm going to loop both yours and Twitter's in. I'm going to say that the Taylor Swift album was Life of a Showgirl. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say that life of a showgirl, in this year's iPhone lineup is the iPhone air. Hear me out. Sure. Apple, incredibly popular the company, arguably the most popular in a lot of places of the world.

Anything that they do, everyone hears about it and sees it and has some reaction to it. In some ways, when they release new stuff, not only do people compare it with their past work, which had some peaks and some valleys, but people always look at it when it first comes out with their. extremely critical eye, looking for a gate, looking for something that could be a big headline that's wrong with it. And so they will overanalyze every little piece of it. And so if there's a piece of this lineup that came out, like the iPhone Air, that clearly has some upside, but also clearly has some downside, people will pounce on and react very strongly to the downside because it's easy. That's the obvious thing to do. And then in time, it may age better than the current storm of Twitter reactions.

So this album, while it seems pretty mid now in the lineup, like the iPhone Air seems pretty mid now in the entire lineup, it may be appreciated, maybe further down the line for being at least a little bit different or at least a little bit better than the hatred that it got when it first launched. Is that accurate? Yeah. I think that's super fair. I think like I don't think anyone saying this is an album that's like blowing.

It's like blowing other albums out of the water. It's clearly not the best album. Every fan would say that like there's a majority of albums. But we also had iPhones that bent in half and that you could hold wrong and wouldn't get signal and it's clearly not the worst one either. I think my version of this album is like, I like it because it's fun and there's nothing really about it that's the standout. Yeah. But I'm enjoying listening to it. It's got one camera.

Because it's the, yeah. No vapor chamber, but it's fun. No vapor chamber in this album. Jack Antonoff is the vapor paper. I don't think Jack Antenoff worked on this one. That's why it's doesn't, it's the air. Oh, the air doesn't be vapor chamber. Vapor chamber team didn't know.

No, I don't think I had that. Okay, so yeah, my joke, my joke was applicable. See, I'm in the Swiftiverse, bro. Me and you, I'm in your head, don't. Jack Antinoff spreads the heat around, you know what I'm saying? There you go. So, I am convinced that this album is fine. I have not yet listened to the whole thing.

I've listened to the random little segments of it. But I'm convinced that the album is fine, but because of the way that social media algorithms are structured and everyone wants to be the tribal leader of opinion people are just more extreme in either direction and then that makes the people on the other side of the aisle more angry so yeah the discourse i saw in threads was like oh taylor swift must go hard if you're stupid and then there was other which is pretty funny to me none of this is none of this discourse is real. It's just that the algorithms fuel people being more extreme in one direction or the other because you get more engagement because you get paid. That can't be true. They don't have a

monetary incentive for that. They do. Threads does put, yeah, they pay people. What is it I started this section off with? The pixel is amazing. It's photo of the year. No, wait, it's trash. Oh, yeah. Well, saying that the album is fine doesn't get a lot of engagement. So saying that the album is amazing or terrible, which is way more. Exactly. The structures of the the internet and we don't we barely have in-person discourse anymore so then we need to change our five out of ten to either a one out of ten or ten out of ten if we want this like to bang i was going to say well no because the thumbnail will be a blurred out number out of ten you know what we should do because we can do a b testing the title of one of these should be the taylor stuff that was amazing

and the other title should be the taylor is trash and just see what happens and see how many people click on which one watch the world burn yeah so anyway i i don't know i agree with you marquez i think that over a longer period of time, it's going, people are going to realize that it's like fine. And like, people will appreciate it over time. I think plenty of people will like it and plenty of people will dislike it. I think the discourse is fake. That's just all I'm saying. I think it's not real. I think that can be said about pretty much everything. Well, that makes it like the S25 Ultra or S24 Ultra. I think that makes it like the S25 FE. We didn't even review it, but it's like low key. It's fine. It's fine. It's probably a good phone for you or

for me. Do you think we got it, Andrew? Do you think that was... I have no idea where we are anymore. I think I got it. I think Marcus did a good job with the air. I think the air is a good analogy. Perfect. Then you know what it's time for? Trivia! All right. What are we titling the episode? Probably.

Taylor is not so... I think that's a clipped title, if anything. I know what it would be funny. Wayform episode 315, Taylor's version. Oh, that's good. Techtober Taylor's version. Guys, welcome back to trivia. All right, guys, my first question is about the Rocket E-Book, one of the first e-readers in 19, released late 1998, but most people consider it a 1999 product that had four megabytes of flash storage. How many 400-page books could it hold?

Okay. All right. You guys seem to have very quickly gotten to your answers. Yep. These are Price's right rules. I put some thought into my answer. What is this? What's Icarus football, Adam?

What? Hmm? Sorry. There's a Wawa football jersey. Like European football? Soccer. David said it on me. That's so sick.

It seems like... It's like the... Oh, no. No. Well... Well So David and I both put 99

I put 10 Yeah, it's not right Andrew 10 Am I over? No Okay, thank goodness You're right on the money

Exactly 10 Wait, in price is right Triple points Triple points I'm just kidding I don't know It does mean something In Price is right though

If you guess it exactly on the Oh I think you win the thing I was doing the math of like Okay they must have picked a 400 page book specifically to make it a nice round even number. So it's probably a nice round base 10 number. So it's probably either 10 or 100 or a thousand. And then I just tried to think like how big is a book text file? And I thought you could fit a thousand. You got a $500 bonus. David, you're last but not least. I'm not with four points. No, you are last.

And least. And least. In points, but not in character. Oh, thank you. That's me. Marquez smack dab in the middle with six points he's mid pretty mid yeah you know five out of ten

yeah and then Andrew just leading the pack so I'm the Taylor Swift album huh you're like the show girl I'm probably like 1989 red Taylor's version how many points do you think you have

price is right rules if you get it wrong you lose all your points damn you just said dude you could have had that man you could have looked so smart in front of everybody. I was trying to set you up. How much is an FM receiver that we found on Ali Express?

Yeah, and so... Price is right. For a little clarification, this is not just the receiver. This is a PCB with two knobs, an LCD screen, some DSP, a headphone jack, a headphone amp, some memory so you can store preset stations. Like, this is a radio. Like, this is a full radio. It just happens to be all on one little tiny circuit board. Can I ask maybe a stupid question? Sure. I know the dollar sign comes before.

numbers. Does the cent sign come after? No, it comes after, yeah. When would you ever write a dollar sign and a cent sign? I'm not running a dollar I'm only going to write a cent sign. Yeah, cents come after. Because there's no decimal. For some reason, I always put the dollar sign after, and I know it's wrong. That was a what's a chair

moment for sure. Or what's a chef? I need to eat. He ate with that. Who wants to go first? I wrote 99 cents. Just like that one album. That one song from the guy, thrift shop. 99 cents is an acceptable answer.

Does that mean it's the right answer? I don't know. I need to hear one else first. That means it beats me at 14 cents, correct? That is true. Okay. Marquez? I said $3.29.

I should have put $1.29. Guys, the Ali Express listing for this item was exactly 99 cents. Three X points. That's wild. Thanks for watching. Also, thanks for watching the Pixel Fold 10 Pro, that's a long name review. Thanks for watching our autofocus channel, which has also recently published a Tesla Alternatives video. So if you're interested in that, after we talked about the new Model 3 and Model Y,

feel free to watch all of that on the autofocus channel. The studio channel, I'm sure, has also published something recently. And so now every channel has something new for you to watch as we plow through Techtober. There's much more to come. Stay tuned for that in a mystery interview. Checking it out and subscribing and see you guys very soon. Peace. Goodbye.

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