Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Why Are Some iPhones Turning Pink?

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

It was a headlines in a hat week because there was just so much to talk about! First, we get into the new Galaxy XR headset from Samsung and Google before talking about why some iPhones 17 Pro are turning pink. We also talked about the new Liquid Glass beta, the ChatGPT Atlas browser, and the AWS outage before getting into trivia. Enjoy! Links: MKBHD - Android XR video: https://youtu.be/az5QL_NLBvg?si=k9779Ar8zAIfC-E7 MKBHD - M5 Apple Vision Pro video: https://youtu.be/rU9aqBv0YdY?si=g5fMXWYPpUZfJl_A Waveform - ICANN and the 7 keys to the internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26WvISI14g0 Reddit - Pink iPhone thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/iPhone17Pro/comments/1o9ynrs/my_cosmic_orange_iphone_17_pro_is_turning_pink/?share_id=jIF7nlwCqxYBOL82Fpd8h 9to5Mac - Pink iPhone: https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/21/viral-rose-gold-iphone-17-pro-discoloration/ OpenAI ChatGPT Atlas: https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-atlas/ Apple TV x F1: https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-atlas/ Verge - Color e-ink photo frame: https://www.theverge.com/tech/803173/aura-e-ink-digital-photo-frame Verge - Liquid Glass Beta: https://www.theverge.com/news/802963/apple-liquid-glass-ios-26-1-beta-tint-option Verge - SpaceX launches 10,000th satellite: https://www.theverge.com/news/802509/starlink-launches-10000th-internet-satellite Waveform - New Space Race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbkn6LQlbE Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Did you ever find it? I did. It was hanging on like the side handle of the car. That's such a good spot. That's some toy story. You actually left it at a pizza joint and it was just trying to get back into the car. Optimus was like, I'm finally getting it. Yeah, what is up? People on the Internet.

Welcome back to another episode of The Wayform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got so many headlines to finish up Techtober that we're going to do headlines in a hat. Everyone's favorite game. There is no winner or loser.

It's just a game that we play. Everyone's a winner. The audience is a winner after they subscribe. We put all the headlines that we think are interesting or worth talking about it all this week and we put them in a hat and then we're going to pick them out and react slash talk about them so we've got stuff like android xr the browser war is coming back a bunch of things that went down during aWS's outage including probably the site you're watching us on uh pink iPhone updates and more so without any further ado i pick first yeah i'll pick first so much stuff happened

this week it was a struggle i was like building the script yesterday and i was like how is it possible that we talk about all of these topics yeah luckily none of them are gigantic Well, we can, well, we can yap enough to make something gigantic. Well, yeah. Oh, the most boring one goes first. The first draw. Ah, maybe. This is Galaxy XR launch.

So I'll give you what's boring about it and I'll give you what's interesting about it. All right. So Galaxy XR, we did a video months and months ago, actually, taking a first look at Samsung's competitor to the Vision Pro. And on one hand, why would you be trying to make a competitor to Vision Pro if the Vision Pro if the Vision Pro isn't even doing what the Vision Pro thought I could do. But Samsung's come along, and they've made a headset that is premiumly priced, premiumly built, and has almost every equivalent feature you could possibly imagine. It has the same external battery.

It has the same look. It has the same glass on the front. But it's made by Samsung, and it's running Android XR. So it has a bunch of things that I think make it better than the Vision Pro. It might not be as high fidelity. It might not plug into the Apple ecosystem, but it has a YouTube app. that is important that is very important

it has a YouTube app right it has working AI features everywhere built into the OS I actually think this is its best feature Gemini Gemini everywhere

and I saw some demos of it and they continue to evolve on this where you can talk to Gemini really naturally and probably triggering somebody's right now but they can say things like I think all my windows

are kind of messy if you could fix that Gemini that would be great and it hears that sentence and knows that you're triggering Gemini and will reorganize your windows. So you don't have to say the klutzy, okay, G, do this for me. Like you can kind of just talk and trigger Gemini on occasion, which is nice. Now, that being said, I don't know if there are, you know, things about it that are going to

one-up Vision Pro other than the software features being way better. But it is $17.99. Half the price. It is half the price of Vision Pro. It is significantly lighter and more comfortable to wear than Vision Pro and it will plug into your Google ecosystem so I'm a fan I'm gonna check it out can I ask potentially a stupid question yeah sure what is this called because I just realized it's written as at Galaxy XR but this says infinite possibilities of XR with Galaxy X AI so yeah it's running Android XR software yes and the headset is called the Samsung Galaxy XR okay that's the headset yeah it's not that was the that's the video we made the video about project muhan but yeah now

we know it's the galaxy xr it's 1799 it is uh out basically now they actually have a bunch of software that comes with it like subscriptions so if you you buy it early there's an explorer pack which comes with 12 months of google a i pro 12 months of youtube premium three months of youtube tv for a dollar a season of NBA league pass 12 months of google play pass and a whole bunch of other NFL, pro-era, asteroid, Adobe Project, Pulsar, a whole bunch of... That sounds like the list of side effects after, like, a medicine commercial. It's a bunch of... Like, what are we doing?

But if they're not all the same time? One of them costs a dollar. Well, it's more about the content. Like, when you get in this headset, you're like, well, I want to watch, uh, what's it like to watch a NBA broadcast and you kind of just want to jump in and see what it's like without committing to a whole season. Bam, you jump in. You got a free year of it.

They're definitely just like leading into the content consumption of these things. They're not even trying to be like, look at it. all these other cool things you could do. I mean, with Vision Pro, that was... Yeah, like the dinosaur demo, I don't remember. Yeah, I mean, what ended up being the things that broke through on Vision Pro were the content consumption. Exactly.

And that's why they keep pushing all of their special, spatial movies and everything. And I keep getting these press releases being like, do you want to come to a special unveiling of this four-minute experience? And I'm like, no. I don't. That's going to be a no for me. Yeah. I'll just repeat.

It has a YouTube app. Yeah. RIP to Juno, by the way. Is there still a YouTube VR thing? Remember with like Google Cardboard if you were watching YouTube? There's a little cardboard logo. Is that still there? I think that's still a thing.

Well, this is a thing. So both these headsets now will natively play back tons of online 360 videos. So if you open the YouTube app and you play a 360 video, which I've uploaded, I think, one ever, you are just placed in the environment. You can look around and watch the video in the environment as it plays out in front of you, which is kind of cool.

That's cool. Is there a persona type thing that they do or no? Any sort of video calling capabilities? Yes. Now, Apple's personas with, and we can talk about the Vision Pro in a second, have gotten way more high fidelity and lifelike and have made genuine improvements to look less uncanny Valley and more real. Samsung's are not trying to do that.

They're just doing the opposite. They are cartoons. Correct. They are cartoon characters. That's what it should be. Like Fortnite. That is the most popular game, and those are cartoonish as hell. Well, that's Fortnite, though.

If I'm on a call with my, like, mom or something, or my cousin, I just want to see, like, oh, show me your spot or like, oh, like, let's chat about whatever. I don't want to see a cartoon. No, I'd rather see your face. I think also when you have to assume that a video call is not all going to be right in XR. So that means half of them will be windows with a real life face, and half of them will be cartoon heads. Here's going to be the camps. Same thing for Vision Pro, though. It's either, even though it's more realistic, it's still a weird, this is an actual

video, and this is a persona. This is true revision pro at Samsung, but I could just picture like a big group call where someone's like, hey, can you actually like, can you get off the headset like this is serious? Well, yeah, and here are going to be the two camps, right? It's the people that use Memoji as their profile photos will love, will love the Galaxy XR. cartoon city uh the people who do that i have no respect for you i'm sorry i i don't dude

you have to that's like all of my family i have no respect for all of my family they need to change go to therapy go to therapy but yeah there's the the the gulf in like realism i kind of feel like they do this because they aren't as good at that like i feel like if you could make a really realistic avatar you would offer that but because they cannot they are sticking with a highly customizable cartoon it's the safe bet it's the safe bet yeah yeah apple has put this is like apple's on their third iteration of this remember the original personas were in beta horrible yeah they're tough and they've gotten better and better and better and they have a whole persona team samsung's just i bet you google and samsung don't really think this is going to work out

in the next couple of years right like we had the windows xr headsets that came out during the whole like Windows 11 3D thing or Windows 10 3D. I don't think that Samsung or Google are that sure on that this is going to be the future of computing. And so I don't think they want to commit like a whole team to actually like making foot a realistic avatar software. It's funny because that's kind of where I landed with the Vision Pro review. Is that one of the headlines in the hat?

There is a Vision Pro. Yeah, we talk about M5 and the new strap and stuff. Then I'll get to it when we talk about that. Okay. But yeah, that's Galaxy XR. Nothing really else to talk about. it with it right that's that's pretty much any other no no it's the same it's the same cost as the foldable so there's that with the vision pro you got to go you got to get the fit yes same with the samsung

nope no no how uh it's very customizable the whole like band thing and it doesn't like fully light seal around your eyes so with apple you're like fitting a light seal thing this one doesn't have a light seal okay but it's like in in focus and it doesn't yeah wait for apple you just need to do like a face scan with your phone right yes you do a face scan with your phone and then you get a size designated for you which is to give you a somewhat snug fitting light leak uh cover thing the samsung is one size fits all the samsung has no cover so you can kind of just look around and see down and around the room around you but in front of you is the uh the headsets and the speed and the lens is still move to align with your eyes and like everything looks sharp and the sizing of the whole headset is

is fairly customizable, but it's one size fits all. I have one more question. As someone who has spent an inordinate amount of their life in Vision Pro, this one is $1,800? Yeah, yep. So how does it compare build quality? Have you gotten to wear it yet? You did.

Yeah, you wore it. Yeah. So how does it compare fit and finish? I mean, the funny thing about comparing it to Vision Pro is it's kind of not a good comparison. It does everything else the same in Vision Pro, but it's made of plastic like a quest. Like, it's built way more like a quest. So it's way lighter I think the thing that kind of just holds

onto your forehead is like pretty nice and snug and comfortable and soft enough and then it wraps around your head and the weight distribution with some of the battery on the back of your head it's just way, way better to wear for a long time. The actual goggles are aluminum though, right? I got to pick them up again

but I don't think they are. I think it's glass on the front and then the rest is plastic which is it's good for weight. It doesn't mean it's going to hold up what dropping as well I guess it's aluminum, but... Good question.

There is a light seal for the XR. There's an available light seal. An available light seal. But by default, okay, that's actually true. Yeah, you can pop one on. But by default, you don't seem to need one. It looks like metal to me, but... Who knows?

Okay, I have another question before we hop off this topic. As the person who sits next to Ellis while he is in this VR world, using the Vision Pro in, like, multiple monitors, can this have multiple monitors, like a computer? That's a good question. I had not gotten to try that. I would be willing to bet that you could get displays to show up on it from a computer, but it wouldn't be as easy as, like, tapping a button next to your Mac.

I'm betting you'd need specific software to make that work. But I haven't tried it yet. I'm excited to get a review device for this so we can actually mess it in. As of the last time I used the Vision Pro, you still could not do multiple monitors on it. You could have one monitor. They have the widescreen now. Still true. Ultra wide screen.

My last question, because the thing that kept me out of the Vision Pro, the most... Besides the weight. I never really had a problem with the weight. I guess I'm just, like, built like an F1 driver, you know what I mean? Just like trading out the one. I can see it. It was the heat. It was like, which I guess makes me not built like an F1 driver.

It kind of blows hot air into your eyes. I just got so schvitzie in the Vision Pro. Did you have similar experiences in the Samsung? So we'll get to the New Vision Pro. The Samsung X-R, no. It's been so long. When you don't have the light seal, it's more breathable. It's way more open.

Your eyes can breathe. Your eyes can breathe. Yeah. Which is nice. And I didn't, you know, I didn't stress test it for game or do mirrored displays for hours out of time. So maybe it would get hotter if I did that sort of thing. But I imagine because it's more open, it wouldn't be a problem.

Did your face feel hot on meta Quest Pro? Because that's more similar to the openness. Quest Pro. Not saying closer to Quest Pro. Wait, but like in terms of, well, and the lack of seal. To be honest, I couldn't have as long sessions in Quest Pro, not Quest 3, but Quest Pro, because the, the, it was just so much less, it focused so less well that like I would get headaches from eye strain, which I don't remember ever feeling eye strain on the Vision Pro.

I'm trying to remember. I think Quest 3 was like a little better, but, and I do remember Heat being a problem on Quest 3 because I was. using it for those long sessions but quest three is a bunch of other issues that just make it frustrating for long sessions well yeah and it it's it's sealed around your that's why i was asking it's more quest pro is more similar to like galaxy xr because if you're not using the light seal it's open right yeah for quest three i taped a bunch of micro fiber cloths around my face because i don't i don't like the the seeing the room light no like like like i i don't want i don't want MR i want i want vr interesting right cool all right well pick one david yeah glad we got the

most boring topic out of the way first i don't know i think there's one other one on here that might be more tough pink iPhone update it's that now we're talking it's that one now we're talking okay this is really it was a conspiracy theory at first right and then it kind of just surfaced a little bit more from one or two people doing this i've got the timeline downline if you want me to uh if you want me to okay what is the pink i back so there was an update last week, but we didn't bring it up because it was, for those who missed two weeks ago, there was a Reddit post

about a guy whose orange iPhone 17 Pro Max looked like it was turning pink. Rose gold, as he was... Rose gold. I don't know. Unfortunately, they did say Rose Cole. Well, that person then made another post with a couple more pictures,

mostly just replying that he was mad that no one believed him without providing much more context. So it was like, okay, this didn't feel like much of an update. Since then, we've gotten a new TikTok video where somebody has the same issue and another Reddit post where someone has the same issue where they're explaining a little better in it and also have video of it. And through all of that, just, you know, now we have three examples.

9 to 5 Mac decided to make an article about why it might be happening. There's still no, this is definitely why it happened, but we have the idea of why it might be happening. And some of these, I mean, it's pink. your boy's real pink it is like hot pink I think it's the drasticness of it

is why I was like I don't know if I fully believe I kind of want that it's pretty cool what happens to the blue one that's what I also does it turn green well here's the thing

here's what nine to five things is happening and if you wanted to test it you could try but basically potentially using cleaner that involves bleach or hydrogen peroxide

is one of the things that Apple tells you not to do on cleaning material like this. Because of the anitization layer. Yes. Which is exactly what we predicted. Yeah, pretty much. Um, you know, it's not that much of an update, but this is potentially why it's happening. If we wanted to test it out, I guess we could try and turn a phone. Why did this person wipe their phone with hydrogen peroxide? We don't know. They have not said that they did that. And I think it's hydrogen peroxide inside of the cleaner. It doesn't have to be

straight hydrogen peroxide. I have a lot of that in my mind. Let's, uh, we should take Marquez's orange iPhone and divide it into four quadrants and clean one of them with bleach one of them with hydrogen peroxide did i shay marquez's iphone is already nuts he like put us do you want to describe your current i i put a i put an area 51 d brand skin on it and then i decided i didn't apply it very neatly and i was like i'll start over i'll try again and i tore it off and halfway after halfway through tearing it off more than halfway 70% into tearing it off i thought it looked kind of cool like that so looked over from your desk and you were like I think I like this what the orange phone you're like no this like D brand look and I'm like yeah but

you're not done taking it off and you're like yeah it looks like for audio listeners like when venom starts taking over and like half of his face has like the black web stuff yeah it's pretty that's cool I've taken I've had this thought before I've been taking skins off the off of things before I thought it looks sick and then I always just finished taking it off this time I'm like This is a look now. This is a one-of-one skin. You better not take my skin off. That would be a one-of-one skin as well.

So, yeah, I'm sticking with that. Part of me wants to half-dip an iPhone in, like, hydrogen peroxide and see if you can get, like, a half-pane. I have a ton of it home if we want to do it. Yeah, Zack could do that. I have a ton of hydrogen-prone. Somebody needs to, yeah, try this. But, yeah, that's kind of the update. It's not too much.

But there's multiple videos now, which I do think helps solidify that maybe this isn't a prank. Sure. But also, whenever I think about Gates with iPhones or any phone, I just think about how realistic is this for the average person? Like when the iPhone 6 plus started folding under a not that much pressure, it was like, theoretically, someone could sit on it with their back pocket, somebody could accidentally bend their phone, and that would actually be kind of a big deal. Or the I was it, the 4S or 5 antenna gate? Which one was that? That was the 4S, I think. Or if you hold the phone in a certain way, which some people really have.

held that way, you'd cover the antennas and you'd actually have worse signals. Those people are wrong. Those are realish gates because that could affect you with regular use. How many people are regularly cleaning their phone with like an alcohol-based

solvent all the time to the point where their phones are changing colors? Yeah, a hydrogen peroxide like ultra-industrial strength cleaner. Like I bet you could I was going to say it. I bet you could dip your orange iPhone in there and it would change colors. But is that

gate. Well, also, my question, because we don't know what this guy did to get it to turn this way, but my question is, if that is truly the reason, we should see other. Why was he wiping his phone with hydrogen peroxide or a similar chemical? He could have been, like, not wiping his phone, but doing other things and his hands had, like, residue of hydrogen peroxide and then go back, or, like, whatever he was using bleach. Can I throw one more wrench in all this for all the still conspiracy believers? Okay.

Okay, the second Reddit post has 650 upvotes, 379 comments. The person who posted it responded a bunch, but for some reason when you click his profile, it says there doesn't seem to be anything here, despite having 9,000 post karma, 2,000 comment karma, but no, it won't show any of his posts or comments or anything. Is that because he has a set to private or something? He has a set to private. I thought he would say private. I think

I'll just bring in I'll bring in all my film development chemicals we'll dip a bunch of phones we'll have a gate and we'll create our own gate and we'll get all the clicks you said it this time create I like to put it next to the mic so you can hear the

it's the headlines in the hat yeah for the audio listeners they are in a hat Apple glass Apple TV Formula 1 oh very quick yeah what happened okay so Apple TV officially

announced they are the exclusive partner of Formula One in the U.S. for the next five years, starting in 2020. Five years? Yep. This is like this thing where I think is usually like most people hate stuff like this and I totally agree. I hate exclusivity on like a platform

that you might not give a damn about paying for to watch sports. To clarify, are you talking about Apple TV the hardware, Apple TV, the app? The subscription. The subscription service. Just the Apple TV. TV. Can only watch it on the physical Apple TV.

Yeah, sorry. The subscription service is now going to be the only way you can watch Formula 1 in the US starting next year. David was just making fun of their branding.

No, no, no. Technically, the hardware is called the Apple TV 4K. The new one. I don't think it's the only one they make right now. Thanks, Jaws. Yeah.

Okay. Thanks. Thanks. Wait, so they just bought the whole sport. They bought the whole sport in the US. In the U.S.

It makes total sense. The Formula One movie they made was great. It did really, really well. Marquez said it was predictable. Yeah, it was fine. It probably made a ton of money, which is all they gave a damn about.

So this makes a lot of sense. I still think exclusivity sucks. They are providing some coverage for free for everyone, limited to select races and possible practice sessions, which is hilarious because if you watch F1, FP1, FP2, FP3 are like three sessions that happen that do pretty much not. nothing. I'm sure people enjoy watching it, but it's usually like testing out balance and

tires and stuff like that on the car. It means nothing to the actual standings. So saying that some of that happened is like, cool, you could get a bunch. And I'm just waiting for the like select race they do to be like Japan. That happens at 2 a.m. in the U.S. and nobody can watch it anyways. For anyone wondering, there used to be a subscription service called F1 TV, which was a way you can get a ton of different angles and broadcasts and stuff like that. That will just be baked into the Apple TV subscription for next year, which is good news. Did they buy it? I don't know if it's just now the subscription service that was showing stuff like SkySports

will be inside of. Because it wasn't a big part of the F1 app itself, like that you can have your own configuration on what angles you wanted to watch? It's just different feeds. Yeah, different feeds, but you can like customize how you wanted it to look. I don't know exactly that. But weirdly, this works out great for me because right now I'm paying. for cable for hockey and Formula One.

That's all I care about. And cable sucks and is expensive. Are you going to cut the cable? I'm going to cut cable next year. And I also have not watched a single Apple TV show or movie because I don't have it. And I've never like that as like a new library. I'm looking at it as now I can cut cable, get an app for hockey, and have Formula One on Apple TV and finally get to watch all the things. This is the most niche.

This is like benefit. Yeah, yeah. This is boy math. Yeah, so it works great for me. I have a story. Yeah. Okay, this is related to you thing. When I was like 12, I borrowed this transformer toy for my friend, and then I lost it.

And I decided to do boy math. And I was like, well, you know what? This isn't such a big deal, because I'll spend the money that I have on a new one to give to him. But if I find it, I get a new toy. And that's- Did you ever find it? I did. It was hanging on, like, the side handle of the car. Oh, that's such a good

toy story. That's some toy story. You actually left it at a pizza joint and it was just trying to get back into the car. Optimus was like, I'm finally getting out. But it's the same thing. It's like, you wouldn't have Apple TV, but you're like, actually, I'm glad because now I get to watch Apple TV shows. It's just like how, you know, I spend, you know, $17 a month on League Pass and another $10 a month on YouTube, or I guess more like $2 a month on YouTube premium. For now.

So if I just spend $1,800. on the Samsung XR I can stop paying for them I get one year of free YouTube premium I will say that math out does the math out no not even close well the one year of league pass one year of let's say you cancel

all these subscriptions because you're getting them for free now you get a year of league pass you get a year of what was it YouTube premium and Gemini and Gemini Pro and three months of something for a dollar yes it could be nice and sleep apnea

This is the old white math, yeah. Remember that really cool, like, F1 concept Vision Pro app that has, like, the track and everything? People are hoping that, like, that might be a really cool way of doing all of this inside there, and that maybe with exclusivity for five years, we could see something like that. Sounds awesome. You can't imagine wearing Vision Pro for an entire race. That sounds miserable. Yeah.

Races are could be pretty long. They're pretty long. But that would be so sick. That would be the best band. It would be really cool. The one extremely niche thing that I can say is now. that I've been to an F1 race, there's, it's really hard to pick one vantage point. Like, the broadcast is the best vantage point to watch a race.

And if you're, if you're at the race, you can watch one corner, basically. So if you can find a corner, but then you can also turn around and see a TV with the broadcast, then you can watch the race and watch the cars at the same time. There are some points in a race that have that. In the grandstands, they'll be like a TV, but like you really can go on some corners where you're just in, like, a field. But I think the ultimate vantage point is the Vision Pro concept, which is you can watch the broadcast and look down at a little

mini map of where all the cars are on the track at the same time. That's sick. I can't wait for the race where there's just like a group of 20 people in Vision Pro and like lawn chairs at one random corner off to the side of yeah. Apple has been eating up all of these like niche sports broadcast. I can't

believe you're just called Formula. Okay, thank you. What do you mean baseball? Are you talking about baseball? Formula one, the niche sport? Do they have exclusive rights to the MLB? Yeah, they don't. Not exclusive. That's what I'm saying. Oh, no, yeah. I mean exclusive. Like, MLS, you can only watch it on Apple TV. What's MLS?

Major League Soccer. He only watches Premier League. Well, Premier League is everywhere. There's no way they're going to buy. That's what David watches. But MLS is Apple. Now F1 is Apple. I think they're going to eventually add NHL. That's the next biggest sport from the bottom up.

It's not worth it. I love hockey, but it's not making enough money for Apple. They'll have to make an Apple TV, NHL show. It's not for money. They're just trying to get the content so people will. We'll subscribe. That's actually true. They should get Ultimphrine.

I just want to say back in the Vive days with HTC, you know, HTC V5. Okay. HTC partnered with Valve and Valve is big on, you know, Steam stuff. And they made a VR Dota thing where you could watch live pro Dota games in VR. And you could like spin the map around and zoom in on things that were happening. And it was super sick. And it existed for like three months. I want that.

That sounds cool. You guys have your niche sport. I need my niche for it. You just call e-sports niche? Dota. Dota's not that niche. Dota just copied three of legend, so.

Nope. That's at least 20 comments. That's 20 free engagement points. I'm going to riot games. Okay. Oh, God, they're all stuck together. Should this be, that was three so far?

Four, we have 10 total. All right. I've got another topic. Headline in a hat. Oh, shoot. Open AI, Atlas. The browser wars are so back and by that I mean

another Chrome wrapper. Yeah, baby. No, it's actually, it's kind of interesting. OpenAI drops Atlas their browser this past week. I notably have been how do I say, in the market for a new browser lately. Unfortunately, ARC is still the best browser.

I hate, every time I say it, it sounds worse because it's even more and more out of date, but ARC is still the best browser. It is. But I'm giving all these new browsers a shot. And the reason I have all these browsers to give a shot is because all these browsers are adding AI sidebars and agentic AI features, et cetera, to them. Yeah. One by one, Chrome does it.

Perplexity's new browser. They have this stuff. DIA, they have this stuff along the side. And now, another one, chat GPT themselves, open AI. They have their own browser. It's literally called ChatGPT Atlas. Yeah. So what did I do?

I downloaded it. That's right. I installed it. That's right. It's MacOS only. I set it up. So far. I know, unfortunately.

They said other platforms coming soon. So far. This company is worth trillion dollars. They want a trillion dollars and they can't. I know. Give them a second, guys. They're just working on a slop. They're a little.

They're a scrolling app. Give me a second. But I try it. It's, it's, I mean, I'd use Dia the most lately out of these browsers, and it's the same thing. Yeah. I haven't used the agentic features nearly as much. And to those who are that much in the weeds, this is probably a differentiator. I don't know, man.

But just because. ChatGPT is like the biggest player in this market next to what Chrome and Gemini obviously people are willing to hear it out and so I'm giving it a shot and it's fine yeah it's fine it doesn't have sidebar features doesn't sync with any mobile app there's only macOS there are plenty of things missing from it I don't think extensions even work yet but it's built on chromium so theoretically that's coming soon browser wars are back yeah it's um it's just dia it's just yeah which is just Chrome which is like the argument that Dia is just a browser with chat gpity inside it's like both of them are just that's true it's the spider

man meme of just like flying at each other because dia literally is just a chat gbt chrome yep and chat gpt atlas is also do you want to hear the psycho behavior i've been using apps or browsers lately when i'm like researching a video i have uh what's this called again arc i have arc on my arc's my main browser yeah on the left on the left and i'm doing most work an arc with the writing but then on the right I have an instance of Dia open yeah which is where I'm like messing with the tools and researching and finding links and and messing around there and I always have a tab open with chat GPT if I ever want to reference anything that I'd done in chat GPT before I can always have that chat GPT tab open because I can ask new queries of it but I

want to find a history of it oh atlas is basically just that tab again That's your browser. So you can, when you pull up the sidebar in Atlas, it's just your chat GPT history. Yeah. And so it's just that tab, but expanded and now it's the whole browser. Yeah. So now I'll have Atlas open on the right and Arc open on the left. Yeah.

And I was trying to main Arc or Main Atlas. God, these are so hard. Me too. Yeah. And I mained it for like a day and a half and now I'm back on Arc, but it came out yesterday afternoon. Isn't it? Yeah. Okay.

Doesn't Arc have a side-by-side thing? Couldn't you just? it does do that an arc to start i can side by side but i want to write full screen yeah yeah it's just a no i get i get what you're saying because like my my ideal research set up as well as is a google doc window on the left with an arc and then dia on the right because when i'm doing the research on the right window all the messy i sometimes like to ask questions about the page yep and then double check it which takes too much time but it you know anyway um so now there's this i see what they're doing okay

Like, the reason they launched a browser is because these models get better, the more context they have about you. And Google automatically has all of the context possible about you with Chrome. They have all your Google accounts. They have everything you've ever searched, all this stuff. Every website you've ever gone to. Right. All the frequencies and the tendencies you have online. Yeah.

So OpenAI thinks, oh, if we want to make this, like, true digital personal assistant that knows everything about you, it should know everything you've ever searched and blah, blah, blah. a roadblock that I ran into yesterday is that my brain is not wired to talk to the browser naturally, it's wired in SEO. So I like searched the name of a restaurant near me.

It was like D&D Greenpoint or whatever. But the problem, the thing about Atlas is that the search bar, the default search bar page, is just chat GPT. So if you search it in in SEO language, that's not natural language, it doesn't know what to do with that.

And now we're facing the opposite problem that we used to have when we didn't, when the boomers didn't know to Google things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've done that a lot of jobs. And Chattebt has a search function built in, but it's not quite just like Googling something. Yeah. So often I'll just command T and just type three words because I'm just trying to Google something real quick and find a link. Yeah. And when you do that in these browsers, it tries to do a search in the LLM for it. It just doesn't use. And it takes longer. It's not good. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah. So I'm rewiring a little bit too. The one really useful feature that I see from this is that you can ask it to pull up a tab

that you don't remember what the website was just based on what it was. So you can say, can you pull up that page that I was looking at last week that had this on it? And it will try to find through your search history and use the contextual information for your search history to bring that back up. That is probably the most useful thing that it has. Just built that into arc. Dude. Okay, wait. I have three really quick things. Okay, one, God, I love fire. And I'm so glad I don't have to do what you morons are doing. You don't think it's next? You don't think Firefox is next?

Two, is it not funny that both of you somehow have turned into an arc on the left, Dia on the right? And that the company makes both of them probably should have just thought about making them one singular thing. Three, the biggest winner of all of this is that same company who's just making what this Open AI thing was selling to a company who bought it for what, 700 million dollars it was 600 million the browser company was acquired yeah right before all the no it gets better the acquisition uh-huh went through yesterday which is the same day that chat gvety atlas came out released the thing that they just bought yeah and perplexity comet just went public like like massive like it was invite only or whatever and that also dropped yesterday

and also um clod released a desktop app, web desktop app, which they have a cool feature that if you double tap the caps lock button, it turns on the voice input mode. Ooh. Yeah, that's interesting. I want that for everything. I like that idea. So it kind of just feel, yeah, Atlas, chat GPT, Atlas.

But by the way, horrible name, but really good branding idea. Really good branding. Because Normies, no chat GPT, they would not just know Atlas. They would not know Atlas GPT. Really good branding, even though it's horrible branding. It's also good branding. Good logo, too. It looks like the telegram icon.

I thought ChatGPT was terrible branding, but here we are. Everyone knows it. It is terrible branding, but it's so popular. It's somehow broken through. That is just the signal end. It looks like the telegram. It feels to me like this was a bit rushed, you know? I think they've been working on this for a very long time.

The reports of them building a browser have been going on for like 11 months or so. It's when these reports first dropped. But it still feels like they rushed this out. because it's, it doesn't have that many feet, like it's just Dia with like a couple extra little things. And then it tries to focus a lot on the agentic mode, which you still can't really convince me that anyone finds super useful.

There's like a tiny, extremely vocal minority that loves the agentic part. But they are like at the bleeding edge. Yeah, it's most people don't. Yeah, it's a cool idea, but I don't know. I think that they were just worried that if anthropic, came out with like a clawed browser quicker or if it's really probably chrome that they're all scared of yeah so it's going to be interesting i'm wondering how much market share this gains like

they have such insane brand awareness and if they were to put this in chat gpte and say download the chat gpte browser i think this would pop off pretty quick i've been alert trying to learn a lot of new things in the past few weeks i'm trying to teach myself blender i'm trying to finally get my python scripting together trying to like incorporate all these new skills in my life lately And so I've been spending a lot of time on the internet, like learning these things. That's crazy. And I know I sound like a broken record. I know I say this once a week, and I'm sorry for everyone that's tired of hearing me saying

it. But I just cannot overstate how much Google ruined their own product with AI overview, because I'm Googling things so much to, like, learn these things. 100% of the time the AI overview is wrong at this point. Like, I never, ever, ever get anything useful. And lately, it's been so far away from being right. Like, I don't know if mine is just poisoned by my search history or something. But, like, it's getting to the point where, like, if I need to Google, like, as, like, a practice thing,

I've been building this, like, weather app that pulls weather data from an API. I talk in my language. It's, like, constantly getting Fahrenheit and Celsius mixed up. Like, I'll be like, what's wrong with this code? And it'll be like, huh, it'll be like, well, clearly, it's 100. and it's 100 degrees Celsius today. And it's just like, what are you, what are you talking about? Like, anyway, this is all to say.

I, someone who doesn't normally reach for AI tools, have literally just stopped Googling stuff, like, and just go straight to Claude. Because I just, it's so, I waste so much time forgetting that the first thing I see is the AI overview. And I think we need to give Google credit for creating the need for AI browsers by literally ruining their own product so hard. I know I say this every week, but I just think I've never seen a company release something so bad in my entire life as AI overview.

Have you heard of Humane? This is so much worse than they've been a humane pin. It's so much worse. HP Humane PIN? Yeah. You know what's funny about that is that Google used to be good, right? Yeah. Back in the day.

Okay. It was good like last year. Yeah. It was better. Yes. It was better. Over time, as they realized that they needed to make more and more ad dollars because of a shitification, it just got more and more and more bloated with like worse results, sponsored posts, all these ads, all this stuff. Right now in the, you know, LLM era, we are in this nice little, perfect little box where you can talk to it and there's no ads and it just gives you the clean information. It's probably wrong, but it gives you the clean information. we will get to the point where it is just Google but in natural language but it will it would also be just as bad because it's going to have sponsored results it's going to have ads everywhere it's going to get worse just remember that when you're going to sleep I would

even I would even take ads if it meant that it was right 10% more time of the time you know like like a hundred percent of the time I take like a coding answer from AI overview it's wrong. A hundred percent of time it has anything to do with actual information. Yeah. It is wrong. Can you not turn that off? No, you can't turn off AI overview. You can press a button every single time you go to Google and use the web button. Or you can download a Chrome extension that like blocks it from showing it. Like there's a bunch of ways. I don't use Chrome. So maybe that's why. Maybe if I used Chrome. Do you use Safari? Oh, WebKit. The best browser. Speaking really quickly, this is a slightly off topic. I just wanted to say really quickly. I was on

Amazon yesterday, bought a product, it said, people also bought, and it listed three products. Two of the three products, it said sponsored. So it was like, so people didn't bought. Yeah, they bought, they bought that spot to put their products in. It's like, you can't say people also bought and then say, Amazon can do whatever. We're just shoving these. I was like, what? Yes. There are no rules on Amazon. Yeah, that's fair. Shovelware. All right, well, let's do one more. Yeah. Because we can go. five, three, two. I've also never said thank you to Sam Altman before.

I never will. Because I don't normally have a reason to, but thank you for dropping that on a Tuesday. Oh, sure. So that we can actually talk about it. True. Okay. Liquid ass tint iOS 26. This is a beta feature.

Yes. So this is very funny. And I destroyed my phone for this. So you guys better be grateful. But in iOS beta 26. 1 developer beta 4 they have added an option to tint the liquid glass and it's not even buried in accessibility settings this is a mainline setting mainline display setting display glass tint liquid glass tint so there's clear which is what we've always had the deep

well it's not what we always like because what we had before was even more clear yeah this is slightly more opaque now we have a tinted mode which is almost completely back to iOS It's just flat frosted. 18 or whatever it one. Yeah, it's, it's, there is a, there's like a 5% opacity. It's white at 90% opacity, like 90% total opacity. Yeah, yeah. You can barely see a little bit from behind.

There is a little bit. So I'm sticking with clear for now because I sort of like the effects. My question is, is this for accessibility and the people who are complaining about not being able to read? Or is it for the battery life because I know that they were having trouble with like the occlusion and the rendering. It's a good question, actually. But I, and I'm also wondering when you set up a new iPhone, once they actually ship

this, will ask you if you want clear or tinted when you set up the phone. That I think that's really interesting. That's going to be an interesting user flow. That should be a question you get asked in the setup process. I agree. But I don't think they will do that. I also agree with that. It's just funny because if they're giving you the option to use tinted, I mean, I'm glad to

have more options don't get me wrong right yeah but they're just basic their whole shazam at that show was like wow this is our new thing yeah and now they're just like i kind of wonder if that's a battery thing i i wouldn't consider that way until you said that but you know the the glass and all the rendering all the effects and everything having a pretty serious effect on battery life maybe on especially older phones or smaller batteries if this is going to someone should do the the test i think it was pretty much confirmed that that was like this really causing full Well, no, not changing this, but previously in the first liquid glass beta that you guys were getting batteries tanked. Which I believe, but it was just harder to attribute it to specifically just this effect because the beta had so many new things.

Now it's just one, now that it's one toggle and I can go full-on liquid glass everywhere or I'm trying to say. Sorry. Now that it's just one toggle, someone should have two phones. One has a toggle clear. One has a toggle tinted and see what sort of a difference. That's a free short idea for someone to make. How much of a difference does this make to battery? We could do that?

Here's why I don't do that. I'll actually tell you why I do it. I don't do most benchmark battery tests because I don't believe that, I mean, they're decently useful, but I don't believe any of them will inherently be able to tell me what my battery experience will be like.

I can look at, like, obviously, I have a pretty good sense now from using phones for a long time for a couple of days, like this is going really well, this is going really poorly, how good is the battery? but certain chips and certain softwares and certain OSs, they all handle things so differently.

If you just do video playback, your winner will be the one that optimizes the best for video playback. If you just do benchmarking until the phone dies, yours will be the one that draws the least power at max load. If you just do, like, using a phone regularly, I've noticed a lot of one-plus phones that even though they don't have the best battery, they're very aggressive with killing background tasks, so they don't have the biggest batteries,

but they last forever because they're constantly killing back. background tasks. I don't see any single battery benchmark that can account for all of my usage of a phone so I don't do battery benchmarks. Yeah. But someone should do this one for this one feature. But it's not going to be me. Yeah. You can do that now if you want. That was sort of a big deal. Liquid glass. You could also do it on Mac, which is interesting. That's what I'm excited for. Oh, is that also in the beta? Yeah. I kind of like the clearness on the Mac though. Yeah, me too. Although I don't like the top bar being clear now. I love it.

You don't like that? Not as much. Change your wallpaper, change your life. Well, I do, but look at this top bit of my wallpaper, how it, like, cuts through the text. Before it was obscured, anyway. I'm realizing I need to upgrade my operating system. Looking at both of you guys. Get on Tahoe?

No, you don't need to get on Tahoe. It's not actually that, but different. Okay. Anyway, we should take a quick break. We got a bunch more headlines in this hat that we should get to, but before we get to that, trivia time. Trivia, Trivia, dude. Trivia dude

Guys coming up We have a story about this week's Last week's this week's I don't remember one of it was One of the weeks The AWS outage Oh yeah that was last week So today's week

Is that this week? Oh Sunday night So it was this week That was this week Yeah this week Fun fact Sometimes when I am walking through Lower Manhattan

And I walk by a pickleball court That has people between the ages Of 28 and 38 playing pickleball on it That exists I will look at my You sure is on 28 to 88 no no no and they look techy I will look at my phone and just say really loudly oh my god AWS is down they will always stop playing pickleball and freak out

works every time so funny so good but guys in related today's question I lied it's actually not about AWS or my story it is about Spider-Man what is the name of the alien species referenced by Andrew when he compared Marquez's de-branded patina to Venom from Spider-Man 3. Oh, there's an actual name? What is the name of the alien species that Venom is a part of? And I will accept the common name

or the deep nerd name. And if you can get both, I guess that's two points. Do you even know what it? I don't watch kids movies. He said it, Nomey. At Andrew Mankinlli. Quality rage bakery. I get plenty of comments.

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We have more headlines and we still have the hat. So, Andrew? Not bad. I expect a disaster. All right. What do we got here? Marquez was wearing the hat and took it off without dropping any of the papers. I was very impressed by it.

What I wasn't impressed by was the AWS outage that took out much of the internet this week. Oh, called it. Let's go. That was fun. How long did that last? It was like almost a full day. Wow. It was the evening of Sunday into like Monday afternoon.

I remember the next morning listening to like the NPR morning news or whatever where they just kind of talk about the biggest And they were like, all a bunch of sites were down yesterday with AWS. And it made us really think about how many sites depend on AWS. I was like, don't we have this conversation every six months when AWS goes down for three hours? We all go, wow. Well, the irony was that YouTube had gone down like two days prior. That's what I was remembering. I was like, I don't remember.

Here's a funny thing. I noticed the YouTube outage way more than AWS outage because I was trying to watch. I was actively about to watch YouTube stuff and it didn't work. The AWS stuff took down, here's what I did notice. When I woke up, my eight sleep showed that I had slept for three hours. And I was like, that's kind of weird. It's missing the first half of my sleep. And then I log on, and it says AWS outage has kept people's smart beds from being able to recline or decline.

That's the best part about it. Because there is a version of this bed that has like a motor thing that like inclines and declines. And obviously it can heat or cool. and if it's not working, if AWS is out, the app doesn't work. And so people had, they're stuck in whatever temperature or incline setting that they had last had it on. And I'm glad that didn't happen. So I have a funny story related to that. So you guys were all talking in Slack about how your eight sleeps like didn't track that night.

And I was like, huh, well, I wonder if my eight sleep is still gone. So if you hit the side, if you like slap the side of the bed four times, someone appears in the mirror. Just kidding. Well, AWS was down so he couldn't. Jeff Bates appears in the mirror. Palmer Lucky. Your bed inclines or reclines into reading mode, because I used the reading mode fairly frequently to read, which is crazy.

So I slapped it, you know, and then nothing happened. I was like, oh, it must be down. So I, like, went online, and it was like, everyone's like, oh, it's back up. And I was like, what's wrong? And then I realized it was unplugged. So you guys had server outages. I just didn't plug my name. Local outage.

Local outage. Skill issue. Yeah, so I wanted to use this outage as a little game to talk about how did you guys first notice that the internet was down. Is it Slack? I think someone mentioned on Slack and then I have a Discord server with a bunch of my friends and they're all software engineers and that chat just popped off because none of them had anything to do. And I was like, all right, you guys are on AWS. There was a funny thing where it. that people that were in Slack huddles could not leave the huddle that's that's my worst

nightmare that's just like Andrew your mic's on uh Andrew your Mike's today uh Andrew you're that's it for me okay see you guys next week wait wait you guys can just watch me work for the rest of the day apparently a bunch of what was it AI stuff was on or no I was I don't know I just kind of listen to the NPR story and I was yeah that is a lot of new stuff that is all on AWS. Yeah. AWS is like the backbone of a lot of these. We lost frame.

Oh, right. I was trying to put something on frame and frame. Frame.I.O. is just, just, just crapping out. Having, it's clutching its pearls. I had no idea what to do. I remember I woke up at 4 in the morning because I've been having insomnia and just so you know a little bit about my backstory. Comment what David should do to help him sleep.

Plug in the 8 sleep. Have you tried reading? Plug in the 8 sleep, maybe. Yeah. So I try to go on Reddit because that's what I do and I can't sleep. Yeah, it's worse for me. It's not good for me.

I'm just going to let that one go. I know. Anyway, it said, it kept saying, um, uh, oh no, no, no, no. Yeah. On the app, sorry, I'll let you go. So I don't even have the app. Okay. And I was on the, on the browser.

And it kept saying, uh, rate limit reached. Yes, yeah, yeah. I was trying to respond to things and it was like, yeah, yeah, saying something. Rate limit reached. And I was like, I thought that this was only a thing that happened if you had a third party Reddit app, but I'm using the browser. So what's going on?

And then I found out, oh, like, Reddit's, like, down. I found out because in the app, the way their refresh loading symbol is, it's an orange circle with the Reddit snoo, like, running and his feet are going really fast, except since it wouldn't load, it just went down and it was just like, and would just do it for, like, a minute straight of just, like, running and running and running. I'm like, wow, what the hell. But I just assumed it's because Reddit sucks. Yeah.

Other things that went down are the McDonald's app, Fortnite, Canva, Snapchat. Yeah, that killed Ellis's whole weekend. McDonald's and Fortnite. Eat fish fillets and do canva. I don't know. Did you see the funniest one that went down? What? That, I really hope I have the back end details of this, right?

I was like trying to research it, and there wasn't a lot of great reporting. But I'm pretty sure the board eight yacht club images are hosted on AWS. So everyone who owned those NFTs could not view their little monkeys. Oh, no. Love it. Wow. Anyway, yeah, Amazon said that the issue was. related to the domain name system.

They did not specify how or why. But if you want to learn more about the domain name system, we have a full two-part miniseries called ICANN and the Seven Keys in the Internet and the secret history of the internet. We drove for seven hours to make that and all slept in one hotel room. That's true.

I just want to say, I feel like when obviously when AWS goes down, like a whole section of the internet, like all these people can all gather together and be like, wow, look at how frustrating this is. When YouTube goes down, I feel like it happens once every two or three years. And they used to have actually, when it really went down, it would just be like the monkeys are trying to fix things page or whatever, and that would go viral.

But when YouTube goes down, I feel like all of society collectively goes, huh, what do I do now? At least for me, I don't use Netflix, I don't use a whole bunch of other stuff. So what I'm trying to watch a YouTube video and the specific way that it went down was the homepage would load thumbnails would load I would click the video the page the player and all the related thumbnails would load

but the browser the video would just never load and so I was like I was in the zone of I want to watch this video I couldn't watch this video it was like bad plane Wi-Fi it was like

terrible Wi-Fi it was like being on United Flight anyway it was very it's very funny because like a week and a half ago so my friend Mark was going to go on that subway takes thing So I said, what's your take?

And he said, I don't know if I could say this, but we have to take out the data centers to just restart society. And I was like, yeah, that's a good one. And then the next week. I was like, did he set this off? Now that the internet's back up, because you're watching this,

I guess we have other things to worry about. Hopefully, that's two days from now. Was it me? I thought it was Markes because I went last. You just pulled AWS, right? Yeah, but we're not going, we're going at a Marquez David Andrew order. We're clockwise.

Oh, we're clockwise. Gotcha. Not snaking. Got it. There's more of just me offering it to both of you before me and then now that's... I don't know anything about this. Yes. This is my...

I think this is the coolest thing we're going to talk about today. Oh, I love this. All right. Do you want to take it or... You'll have to explain. It's up to you. Let me just read what it says. Okay.

Color. Yes. E-ink. Yes. Flames. Frames. You wrote flames. I did not.

That's an R. That's an R? You sure about that? Vagely. What do you think that is? Color E. Inc. Flames would be pretty cool. Color E. Inc. frames. Can someone explain this to you? Yes. I'll go. I'll go and you join in.

I'll join in later. Okay. So, ORA, which disclaimer has sponsored the podcast before. So take everything we say with a grain of salt. But they just released their new color e-ink wireless photo frame. Previously, they've done the photo frames where you get an app, it plugs in, and it can rotate images. Color E. Inc. Wireless. Photo frame. So it has a built in battery.

Yes. So it can die. No, but it's neat. So it is. But it's color. It's color. So? The colors, dude.

The colors. It's all static state. Okay. I'll do the specs first. 13.3 inch panel. It is 11.5 by 14. So this is like a pretty good size frame. It's pretty big.

Yeah. The battery life should be approximately three months on a full charge. Also, the charging port is on the outside of the frame with a 10 foot cable. So you can charge it while. while without even taking it off the wall. I think that's cool. That's cool. Because it is using the new Spectra 6 display technology.

And because of all of that, because of the less power draw, this is the first time they could go wireless because an LCD obviously takes so much more power. They can't do it. Where now we're at E-Inc. It's taking way less to be able to show these photos. In fact, it's so dim they actually needed to add a little tiny front light inside of the mat of the frame.

But Allison Johnson from The Verge did an article on this, which everyone should go read if they're interested, but she said she, like, didn't even notice it at first. And also that light will turn off once ambient light is off at night. I just got signed out of my Google Doc for some reason. Is AWS down?

I have some questions about this. Do you want to use some thoughts as well? So I'm not, I'll just preface this by saying I'm not a big photo frame person. Yeah. Maybe I will be soon, right? But as someone who doesn't use photo frames,

is there any advantage to it not just being plugged in all the time? Like, why would you ever unplug it? Because then you have a big wire. You have a big wire. If you want to hang it on the wall or something. If you hang up a regular photo, you don't have to plug it in. It's art. I guess I pictured a photo framing on a desk,

but you're like hanging it on the wall. Yeah. Okay. So right now my aura frame, which I love. I have one of them. I have bought them as gifts before. If you are somebody with children and want to give a gift to the grandparents of those children, it is like the easiest gift in the world.

Yeah. But like mine's on my desk now because of the wire. The one I have like at home is on a table because of the wire. I can hide the wire. Yeah. You just don't want a wire hanging up your wall. Yeah. Okay. And because I've seen a bunch of smart, like the Google Home can be a photo frame in the same way.

Like you set a Google Photos album to always be displayed on it. And it's always next to the wall because it's plugged in. So that's kind of how I picture photo frames, but okay, you can hang it. The other thing is, how good does this look? How good is colored e-ink look versus like a normal, even an OLED maybe if it's like a super premium? So that is the question. I have been lusting over e-ink picture frames for many, many, many years. Every year I would go to CES and it would be like, we put Alexa in your fridge and I'd be like, no.

And then I'd go over to the E-Inc section, I'd be like, yeah. And they used to show these prototypes of both things like this, which they had, they actually had big prints. like that. So the cool thing about this is because it's ink, right? It is actual ink, so it looks just like it's on actual paper and actual canvas. The big seller of the Samsung frame TV is that they have a special like mat layer on it. They have the borders around it. They have the light box, the mat box. It makes it look fairly realistic. And I think the frame TV pro has like a matte option that can make it even more realistic looking. But if you want like real, real looking art that actually has depth and dimension and like texture you got to use ink interesting right so

i've been lusting after a big thing where i can just like rotate my my film work around forever and so now this coming out is great but didn't alison say that the resolution didn't look amazing so she said there's a couple different things you know some colors might look a little off she said like blues looked really nice and and pictures with good contrast looked better on it. And I think she said, like, some paler faces might have, like, a little bit of a green tint to them. But she said, resolution-wise, if you are right up there pixel peeking, you can definitely see all the different dots that it is creating. But from far away, or just, like, on the wall as you're walking by it, she said looks totally fine. The interesting thing about this,

and one way it saves battery, is normal aura frames, like, when you have it, a lot of them are rotating every five or ten minutes depending what you said on what this does is it by default only does one picture per day and actually changes the picture at night because of the way it needs to like like flash change all of the different specific dots modules yeah yeah she said it takes about 30 seconds before it'll stop flickering a little bit because it's doing like the lowest power draw version of a switch so like it'll just do it every day so then every day you wake up and you just have a new photo on your wall, which I think is awesome.

Yeah. That's, this is the Bukes Palma, too. Yeah. Book. When you turn it on, it does this flash thing. And then you can like, you know, reset the screen. It has to flash in and out. So when these are setting, it, it does the same thing where it flashes.

And then it slowly, sort of like, magnetically moves the modules, like, in front and in that area. I can see the color not being amazing because they probably only have six colors. Because they use individual little, like, ink bead things. And, yeah, if you only have six colors, obviously, you're not going to be able to recreate, like, Rec 2020 or something like that, with billions of color options. Can't you recreate all the colors with three colors? Well, that's...

Or four colors? Yeah, but that's dependent on luminance. I'm not talking about CMYK, son. Yeah, but you still need, like, different levels of, like, luminance and saturation and that kind of stuff. where these are just finite colors. They can't change luminance. They can't change saturation.

Right. It's not like actual ink where you can make more or less ink. It's either there's cyan on, cyan off, magenta on. Exactly. And the different mixes when you're standing far enough away look like other vaguely like other colors. But you need different luminances and saturation values to actually do that well, which is probably why people's skin tones have a little more green in them

because our skin tones actually do have green in them. just we don't really see that as much because there's other colors mixed in. Can I be the grumpy boomer here? If you want, sure. We want to get roasted by the E-N community. Why would I want this in my frame on the wall? Like, I get it.

Why not? I get it in, because it's something else that I have to charge. That's so annoying. Every three months. Okay. Yeah, but okay. Sorry. No, I was just going to say, I was going to say,

my doorbell, I thought the doorbell was going to be so annoying. Why would you ever want to charge it? It's so easy. I'm not saying it's hard. I'm just saying it's another thing. that takes up mental space that I have to think about. Like my Garmin watch lasts a month, but when I have to charge it, it's still like, oh, here we go.

If it sends me a notification that, like, frame is low, charge it in the next, like, three days, chances are, especially if you don't even need to unplug it, if there's an outlet within 10 feet, just when you go to bed, plug the outlet in and toss it in and then take it out in the morning. Can you not just, like, set one photo, and if you don't rotate it every day,

it has unlimited battery life? It's not going to last forever. It will eventually die. It still has the light, though, static state has a light car draws and it's probably internet connected to just stay available yeah okay like to me the draw of this thing is something like the one that you have on your desk because that is perfect you plug it in you forget about it and you ignore it forever even though it's every three months unless a w s goes down unless i wouldn't be surprised if mine went off

after the or didn't rotate sorry still needing to think about this is too annoying that's my take this is like yeah this is an awesome step my blinds i have to charge like every three months it's really not that bad. I would just leave it plugged in the whole time. That's what I'm saying. I would never unplug this. Now you just get the option to be if you're someone who's not a grumpy old boomer like Adam

then you get to hang it on your wall without a wire. I would leave it plugged in forever and then when I have company over, I would unplug it and it would look super cool. That's fair. And then as soon as they left, I'd plug it back in. I do think we unfortunately have to move on

from smart picture frames. I love this topic. I didn't realize how long we'd talk about this. I love this topic, but we are more boomer than probably our audiences, so. I love, this is my favorite thing of the week. It's great. This is what tech is all about.

That's right. This is a gadget that I don't feel bad in buying. Can't wait until the next one has an L&LN. Yeah, the next one is like, new TikTok integrated gun ships. That's a flop 3,000. I think it's serious. That is real. Okay.

We'll do this one and then another ad break. Not too different from that. Vision Pro Strap plus M5. Hey. Okay, I can do this one. Huge update. This week, in Appleland, you can watch my Twitter video or the first 30 seconds of the video I made about this

to understand where M5 dropped, because it didn't drop everywhere. You might expect everything with M4 got M5. No, mm-mm. Only iPad Pro, which had M4, now has M5. And M4 MacBook Pro has M5. And Vision Pro, which had M2, is now M5. The other two devices kind of just got that spec bump

and that was it. The Vision Pro got a little bit more than just the new chip. It's been a little longer, almost two years, actually, since the original Vision Pro dropped. It had M2. And so what you get is the spec bump, which enables, you know, a slightly larger area of foviated rendering, 10% more rendered pixels, a slightly longer battery life, three hours of video playback instead of two. Isn't it 2.5 instead of 2.5? I think it's three instead of 2.5. Oh, correct.

It might be somewhere in there. It's not a dramatic difference. Yeah. And I think things like ray tracing and general fidelity being slightly higher. Great, M5 enables that. But the actually more important thing was just the new strap, a $99 dual band strap, which you can also buy for your original Vision Pro. But it is counterweighted.

It has tungsten weights in the back. And so you put it on and it actually has a little bit more weight on the back of your head and on the top. So it takes the weight off of the bridge of your nose and it just holds it in a more comfortable way. significantly better. It's more comfortable than any of the other bands they've had, and it's better looking than the other dual strap band they had. So that's the Vision Pro update. That's kind of it.

I mean, most of the updates with Vision Pro that are significant are the software. Vision OS26 has, like, the new personas, which are higher resolution and better looking and more realistic, and all the pinnable widgets all over the place and all the other stuff. And Apple Intelligence finally starting to show up with writing tools. Yeah. I think there's one, if you were doing what Ellis is doing

and using the Mac mirroring, There's one new, big ultra-wide monitor. So there's, like, standard wide and ultra-wide. The ultra-wide looks crazy. Why can they just give us two? I don't know. I think that might be a power limitation. I mean, it's still a lot of pixels.

Yeah. But, yeah, it looks really good. I just put a little cut with it. Yeah, honestly, that's probably the same exact thing. Just cut in half. Yeah, the fact that they did not drop M5, I don't even, you know, I get that why they didn't drop M5 Pro and M5 max yet. but a friend of mine hit me up

he just got a new job and he was like oh my job is giving me a quota to buy a new laptop what should I get I was thinking of getting an M5 but I kind of wanted a MacBook Air and I was like yeah why didn't they put this in the MacBook Air yeah there's still a bunch of places that have M4 like MacBook Air Mac Mini and IMac

an iPad Air that have base chips that they didn't do M5 in yet they presumably will I just don't know why they were unable to do the whole refresh across the board. And not only was it only the base MacBook Pro, but it was the only 14 inch. Well, because the 14 inch is the only one

that you could get the base chip in. The 16 inches only ship with Pro or Max chips. Okay. So if you want a base chip MacBook Pro, you have to get a 14 inch, and now you can get an M5 instead of M4. It's just weird that they didn't put it in the air. Unless they're planning like a big hardware update for the air,

which I doubt they're doing because they just did that. Hard to say. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, there's a world where, like, people were not yet going to buy an iMac because they're waiting for the M5 iMac, and now the M5 chip is out, and there's still no M5 iMac. Now what? Do you just get the M4 now? And aren't we still on, like, M2 Ultra for the ultra chip?

Oh, the ultra chips, M3 Ultra is the biggest one, and that's in the Mac Studio. My Mac Pro is on M2 Ultra. Yeah. So now we have M5 out, I'm like, all right. Hmm. Yeah. I did want to know, everyone was meming the fact that this is heavier on, online. line because of the counterweights. Yeah, I'm just trying to find the exact extra weight, but it's like 150 grams more,

which is, it seems like a lot, and it is a lot, but the fact that it is in the back headband on the new strap actually makes it better weighted on your face. And when you're wearing it for longer, it doesn't put nearly as much pressure on the bridge of your nose. So yes, I agree. It is very funny that it was way too heavy, and now it's even heavier. But in a good way. yeah so just to clear that up for people so you know how earlier in this episode you were saying like

i don't know if samsung really wants to commit that much of a team to like fighting the vision pro because it seems like they've realized it's not doing that well yeah that's how i feel about this vision pro yeah we had so many thoughts and initial impressions when the vision pro came out as a new form factor it was all this interesting stuff and this crazy expensive bleeding edge device And so the second generation theoretically should tell us the most about what they learned, the direction they're going, and what this thing is really about to become.

And we get this refresh and your eyes, we're getting hot in the first one, still gets hot. All of the vents are in the same places. The chip still gets hot. It still has the R1, still has the M-chip. It's still heavy. They didn't shave a single gram of aluminum out of there.

It still has the glass. It still has the same eyesight on the front. They didn't make any, like, directional change with Vision Pro. They just showed up and went, okay, the strap's done. Anything else we want to do with the Vision Pro itself? Nah.

New chip? Toss that in there. Yeah. All right, yeah, should render a few more pixels. Ship it. Like, I didn't see any commitment to a direction, if that makes sense.

So I got the same feeling that Apple was like, oh, this isn't really doing anything. And plus all those articles we've seen about, you know, maybe them doing a Vision air and then realizing that's not the direction they want to go either and shifting the glasses. Yeah.

I totally believe that. I have no way to prove that, but I've seen the reporting, and it just feels like this Vision Pro is like the last update we'll see for a while from this thing. Yeah, part of it to me feels like they just needed to make more M5 chips to get the per unit cost down. Dost it in the MacMany.

Or the MacBook Air, the most popular laptop. Yeah, I don't know. It's strange. It is very strange. The video's out. If you want to watch it, it is a whole bunch of my musings about smart watch. Smart displays, smart, headset, smart.

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Yeah And it's a computer Hmm Pretty good episode Season 2 Episode 24 Nice Did you watch it

Of uh Next Generation I had to Google The episode I did not know The episode Star Trek is one of the few shows I have watched

Shut up How much Which one? Which one? Next generation? What do you mean you don't know? Well, I didn't watch it in any order. I just sat down.

There's like 10 different Star Trek shows. Oh. There's like whatever was actually playing reruns on TV a decade ago. That's what I've watched. Probably next generation. Marquez's only watched. Was the guy bald or was the video of hair? There was a Spock in there.

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I think David went last with Vision Pro, right? I went last with Vision Pro. Okay, yes. So you go. Yeah. Take the second to last headline. What happened? this week. Oh, this is a very long thing. So I wrote 15 pixel super fans get to beta test new phones. Oh, yeah. 15% of my diet. 15% of my beta fans get to test pixel ones. Yeah, do you know about this? I do not. Okay. Saw this headline. All right. So Google is letting 15 pixel super fans beta test new pixel devices while still in development. At first, this was a rumor that popped up, but then there was confirmation that it was actually happening. So effectively, what this is is that a bunch of people got to apply if you were a super fan which is basically

Google's way of saying you're loyal you will not stray from your loyalty you're 100% loyal to Apple kiss the ring kiss the ring yeah if you're in their super fans program you could apply to be one of these people that get to test phones but you also have to apply to that program yeah which I tried to do when this article came out and one of the checkboxes is are you a member of the press, aka blogs or podcast. And I was like, damn it. Got me. Oh. They don't let you do that if you're part of the press? I mean, I don't know if that's a pro or a con, but the fact that I need to say that I'm a part of tech media. That's definitely one of those Google docs where as soon as you check that box, they just go, all right, never mind. Yeah. Basically, you could apply for this.

And then if you were selected, you would have to sign an NDA not to talk about the device. You have to agree to put the phones in these protective cases to hide their designs. And submissions are going to be based on depth of knowledge and passion for Google devices on software. Okay. Can I ask something? Yeah. What is the point of this?

Wait, I, can I counter it? Loyalty. I see the point of it. What's the point? Assuming the NDA is you also can't really talk about it afterwards, then this is just making sure it is people who really do like pixels and probably go through the settings, getting to test software and potentially find bugs before it comes out. They're not reporting on it, so we don't have to worry about,

they're not allowed to talk about it. We don't have to worry about biasness in a report from them, but they just, this is the kind of- They're outsourcing their QA testing. Yeah, no, no, no. The point is they're getting-15 is not enough, I would say. Free QA testing. A free 15 enthusiasts to help bug test.

Essentially, I mean, how many times do things come out where, like, this thing works perfectly, and then we peel the screen protector off the first fold, and it's like, maybe if you threw that to one normal person, not fair like they would have seen that because i guess i hear that uh there's an nda and they can't talk about it so i'm like okay this isn't press and then what was the other thing they have to be in a protective case that includes the design so they can't promote it and even if they did they're already as pixel superfan so they were going to anyway so that wouldn't have been unique and also

is the pixel superfan really going to critique anything so really it's just bug testing that's the question i guess yeah are you going to be like this is perfect i don't want to say anything bad or because you're in a private thing you're probably going to want to be productive you you're going to want to prove that you are worth being part of this thing i'm assuming if you applied to be a super fan you probably will go pretty deep into it so yeah this is like intern labor yeah yeah uh it will be funny when one of these leaks oh yeah 100 percent i can't wait um i know that you know pixels never don't be silly it's only 15 people so the chances are lower, but I am also basically guaranteeing that one of these people will really

want the 15 minutes of fame. I want to know if they can talk about it after the... They probably can. They probably can because then they would be able to say, I got to have a say in the design and the development of this pixel. Being a super fan. Yeah. But then can you not apply next time because now you're a part of the press?

Yeah, you're an influence. Checkmate superfans. Superfans. Yeah. I think this is good. I mean, on one hand, I understand Google wants to know what their core audience likes and doesn't like about the software, about the hardware. So you hire Deter.

It makes sense. They already did that. Oh, right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like they would probably use this as an opportunity to test completely different devices, not just software.

Yeah. Well, they set, so it's going to be the new phones, the new hardware. Yeah. But I mean, like, different, crazy different designs and see, like, which one speaks to the core pixel user more. I see. This one with the square camera bump or this one's sticking with the visor. Or what if we put the camera over here, you know? Yeah.

But if they have to use it in a protective disguising case, they can't really evaluate that. Well, at least when they're out in public. Yeah. Then you just take it off. Interesting. Yeah, Google's design chief, Ivy Ross, had said that the company is looking to mix up the design of the pixel every two to three years. So considering the pixel 9 and pixel 10 are the same phone, we will probably. be seeing something relatively new next year possibly maybe as soon as one of these

comes out do you guys as soon as it leaks it's gonna leak I think this is really good do you guys know the the the the computer guy joke a QA engineer walks into a bar have you heard this I don't know about that told me this one yeah a computer science engineer computer guy walks into a bar and orders a beer and then they order six beers and then they order negative one beers and then they order 10 million beers and then they order null beers and then a normal person walks into a bar and asks where the bathroom is and the bar explodes yeah and that's exactly why I think it's good that they're giving it to random people who are just super fans yeah I know I didn't get

that joke at all it's because you can you can test all the different things of something but you can never predict what random thing an actual user is going to do that will just break your product like ordering null beers is fine well that's I think 15 is like cool does make sense but i was kind of bummed that didn't get a no it was good maybe the audience is left i think i might have heard it before but that is very that's very much applies if you thought it was funny type ha ha ha ha ha ha in the comments yeah yeah with a timestamp elsa joke really got me any of this funny email podcast at mcbhbhd.com ha ha ha ha ha c adam okay well we got one more

headline one omas one o'm whose was it you just went oh wait no it's my turn because it was it was vision you got vision pro then you went so now it's my turn right take your headline oh oh i got one what's my fortune say really long it says it's a space six launched 10,000 starlink satellite yeah okay cool yeah well i just wanted to take a moment of reflection so you just said the headline they have launched a 10 000 starlink until a certain part of the atmosphere stop looking it up no i wrote it into the script I deleted it now No

So only nine note about it Can I command say? I may have seen it Anyway So I back up trivia questions If we need Of all of those 10,000

Only about 8,6008 Are operational According to Jonathan McDowell Who was the guy that we interviewed For our new space race episode The Goats Plug number two of this podcast What happened to the other

1,300 of them? I think that they stopped working And burned up in the habit They only They fall out of the atmosphere after five years. Yeah, they burn down. They only have a five-year life span.

They've launched, they've launched 10,000, but only 8,600 are still in orbit. I believe currently two fall out of the sky every day, and by the time they reach their 12,000, we'll be losing in between five and seven per day. As a fun little statistic, if you guys remember, when we did that new space race episode four years ago, there were a total of 12,020 satellites that had ever been launched into space, only 7,550 were still in space and only 4,600 were still functioning. And now there are 8,600, operational, just starlings. Just starlings.

Yeah. And this is why we talked about Kessler syndrome, which is one of the ends of the world. Where, not the end of the world, but it's where basically things in orbit are falling at 17,000 miles an hour. When they hit each other, they explode. Then you've got shrapnel falling at 17,000 miles an hour. and so when shrapnel with it you can't track very well hits other things it also explodes because everything going at 17,000 miles an hour just explodes so I don't think that's true but okay I don't know man when it hits other stuff when it hits stuff when it hits stuff when it hits stuff I mean I explode going 17,000 miles an hour so I've been flying a lot of United flights over the past couple years you're talking about the Starlink and not one of them has had Starlink why I know I saw I saw I saw I saw I saw someone post that they were getting like a gigabit down on a United flight and I was like I've not seen any of them that have actually deployed this. I've only seen it on Twitter. It's like Elon and United's Twitter like sharing speed tests and like look at these live streams from United website and I'm like oh wow seems like we should get any second now I've found so many times none of them have had it but hopefully soon. If flights get gigabit you're just going to need to like upload a video last minute and just book a flight. Just go hop on

We've got a really big time to upload. Time to book a flight. The title rights itself. Anyway, I'm hoping that happens soon, but yeah, Starlink, there's a lot of those things. I'm hoping lots of things don't fly at 17,000 miles an hour and explode in space. I don't know enough about, like, when they fall out of the sky, they surely burn up before hitting the ground, obviously, but maybe they hit other satellites on the way. I don't know. Well, there's lower Earth orbit, and then there's geostationary orbit.

So when they fall out of the sky They're no longer in geostationary orbit. They're in low Earth orbit. The Starlings are all in lower Earth orbit. So when they fall out of the sky, they burn up before hitting the ground. They're supposed to, yes. And they're supposed to not hit other starlings

that are also in low Earth orbit. Yeah, I mean, 3D space is big. It's pretty big. So the odds of actually hitting one are... It's pretty low. It's low, but Kessler syndrome is. It's the chain reaction of the one hitting another, which hits another,

which it's another. Yeah, this is one of the movies I watched. Gravity? Gravity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That movie was just like uncut gems.

I was so anxious the whole time. There's another thing that's going on with these Starlink re-entries, which is that the, like, aluminum as it reenters the atmosphere and burns up, gets incinerated and turns into aluminum oxide, which is really, really bad for the ozone layer. It is, yeah. I guess I don't, there's so many different scales of polluters that I'm like, all the cars that would be driven. today versus the two satellites that fall out of the air it's your fault for not throwing that Coca-Cola can in the recycling yeah that's also a factor but I guess yeah that okay but scale that up to all these companies launching their own satellites and then having this like ungoverned space race I feel like that was the whole point of what we first brought up is not just like this one certain

thing is doing it it it's just that like there's no law where yeah where does it stop where do we make a regulation on it and when every trillion dollar company or multi-billion dollar company could just launch stuff. Yeah, Amazon's doing it with its Queeper. How are you Kuiper? I was more worried about the starry night, I think.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Getting ruined. Yeah, that's also a problem. Yeah. By Van Gogh. You know, throw a solo, right? They stole from the loo. No, they didn't. It's not in the loo. It's in the, it's in the MoMA. That was a bad joke. See it many times. All right, trivia.

They sell my dignity from the Louvre in seven minutes. It was there. All they needed was a ladder truck. That's all you need. Let's do trivia. Let's do trivia. Thank you. Seven minutes.

That's all I need. This first one I don't know. I just don't know. I'm going to write it now. All right. Spider-Man. I don't. Mark has his phone.

What was the question? Veno. Oh, yeah. What is he? I don't know. I'm sorry. I thought this question. You know I don't watch movies.

I just thought this question would be more fun than it turned out to be. I mean, I thought it was a good question. Thanks. See? I hope you guys get one. Like, for all the movies, for all the movies you guys watch, I hope you get a point. Yeah, there's two possible answers here. Yeah.

I can, I put two answers. All right. I wrote, I don't know, which is correct. True. I wrote the Venomites. All right. I wrote corg because it just sounds like an alien monster race. And I also wrote Meteor juice. Because didn't it come from a meteor?

I kind of love that. The alien? Can't give you a point. The colloquial name is symbiote or symbiotes plural. Oh, yeah. And according to Wikipedia, I've heard that. I did not know this. It is also known as the Clintar.

The Clintar. It was kind of close to Klingon. which is star trek star trek star trek it's actually dune every time someone leaves me it's not i cling on perfect like an alien anyway all right adam none of us got that one next one all right we have a chance with this one quick update on the score after that marquez with seven andrew with nine david with five honestly not that bad not bad all right two under question number two in which layer of the atmosphere do starlink satellites reside did we not say this out we did so now i don't i will not i will no longer accept one of the two answers let's there's two

answers now i'm going to need the specific name no uh we are no longer accepting low earth orbit yeah oh thank you get you made it harder for yourself uh there's a a line with which I know is in it, but I can't think of anything other than Mason-Dixon line. You should write that. Just give it a shot. I wrote the de minimis line. Why? I don't know.

Are you thinking about tariffs? Oh, yes, I was. Also, what is that handwriting? It's cursive, bro. That's him. That's not cursing. You wrote de minima. Because I ran out of time.

Andrew, what did you say? Blank. It's plain. That's okay. Marquez. That's okay. a stab. I said the ionosphere. No, good try.

It's the thermosphere. The thermosphere. The Celsius sphere. I, um, yeah, well. The thermosphere is part of the ionosphere. Bang, but is that where they reside? Ionosphere is like most of it. Could I have written the sky?

I think I'm right. The miso sphere. I think I'm right. wrong you're not wrong that's true you're not wrong i'm taking that point marquez brownly congratulations on your eighth point all right congratulations but also comment section feel free to tell me why i'm right or wrong but i'm i'm taking the point though either way that's been headlines in a hat for your final episode of tectober it's not no it's not Halloween because next week oh my god you're right next week is still tectober okay for your second to last week of tectober don't end headlines will

continue hats may or may not continue but we have much more to talk about stay tuned get subscribed if you haven't already go devils who else is in the playoffs right now uh what it's the sixth game of the season who else is playing baseball right now go dodgers LGD Dodgers and uh go blue jays

go blue and go sixers and go sixers and go birds and go Knicks and go Nets and go and that's all we have to say that you're watching wait David just to pick a sports team What's your favorite Dota team? Team Liquid.

Team Liquid. All right. You heard it here first. Go Team Liquid. See you guys next week. Peace. We have former spruce by Adam Alina and Ellis Ruffin. We're parted with the Vox Media Podcast Network.

And her introverture music was created by Vain Silver. Bingo. I don't know why I felt like a robot reading that one today. Oh.