Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Why Bother with the Pixel 10a?

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

This week, the crew sits down to talk about everything that happened this week. It starts off with an update on the Ring camera situation and then goes right into the release of the Google Pixel 9a...I mean, 10a. After that, Marques, Andrew, and David spend some time speculating on what Apple is going to announce at the next event before going right into a tech version of the game of 2 truths and lie. Enjoy! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: Verge - Pixel 9 gets AirDrop MKBHD - Pixel 10a video Apple - Video podcasts announcement 404 Media - Leaked Ring CEO email Music provided by: Epidemic Sound This episode brought to you by: Attioh: https://www.attioh.com/waveform Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Anthropic: https://www.claude.ai/waveform Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's not like you'd ever buy it anyway. I used to have them. I used to be an A-Series guy. Not a main pixel guy. I think base pixels got to make moves this year. Agreed. Hard-agreed. In what way?

They're just tanking for a refill. I saw that. They want a good trap. Yeah, what is? This is up, people of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew.

I'm David. This week, we've got the Pixel 9-10A, sorry, almost the same thing, 10A, a random March Apple event that has been announced. We'll have some thoughts. A ring doorbell update. You might heard us crash out about that last week. And also video on Apple Podcasts, and we're going to wrap it up with a game from Adam. Also, make sure you subscribe.

Just before we get into it at all. We saw a comment on the last episode that said you could still hype us. That was, they've been saying it since we hit 500,000, so for a couple episodes. We're either wrong about the requirements for being hyped or you guys are like breaking YouTube. YouTube has already forgotten about hyping. Yeah, let's make sure we're far enough clear past 500K that we're definitely past 500K. So make sure you subscribe if you haven't already. And if you do see a hype button, let me know.

It's like tweet it at us. Press it first. Yeah, press it and then screen record it. and then send it to us. Click it. I want to start off this episode with, I've been thinking of like a segment we can do to start. An apology to Xfinity?

That is never happening. I'll have a very brief update on that later. I was thinking of an idea and I sent this all to you guys so you can all brainstorm it for future episodes, but like a really fast five-minute segment to start every episode off with. So my conclusion was a little segment we're going to try called, did they even test this? Because people really liked our crashouts last week

and kind of they love when we complain about super random things that we don't are so minuscule but that frustrate us and there's so many. That's like my entire personality. It is. This stem from me wanting to do a episode where all of us record

every time a piece of tech does something we don't want it to do during the day. And I think it's way more than you would think. But this can be, we can slowly write them all down. But anyways, this is just going going to be a very obvious thing that is wrong in a piece of tech that you have and every week will do one whoever wants to do it i'm going to start mine with i need my phone here um in slack you know slack has plenty of issues by itself and yeah slack it's just yeah so if you go

into slack and go to write a message and use the emo button either to react or to just put an emo there's an emo emoji button embogy button You'll see this list of icons that are the categories for what all of the different, because we're at hundreds and hundreds of emojis now, right? One of these icons is a heart. What do you think would be under the heart icon category? Different types of hearts. Body parts.

It is actually the symbols category. Oh, what? There's not a single heart in the symbols category, which is... What does heart denote a symbol? I don't know. Well, it is a symbol, but... It is. It is, but not that kind of symbol.

Yeah, it's when the heart is one of the most used reaction slash like emotes probably most people use. Yeah. You think they'd have that right. But I've been tricked by this so many times where I go to like heart one of someone's posts in Slack and I get this. One thing we found that's kind of weird about it is I believe on like on desktop in my Slack, it's actually a piece symbol instead. Which makes more sense. That does make more sense. So this may possibly be just a weird mobile thing they didn't fix?

Yeah, I'm checking on my phone as well, yeah. And then I go to Press Heart and I get ATM, biohazard sign, yin-yang, arrows plus sign checkmarks. Hopefully it's in your frequently used. It's not always, but anyways. Wow. I use our HDR emo, way too much emoji. But yeah, so that is my, I want to keep it brief.

That is my, did they even test this? The heart category with no hearts in it. Yeah, we should, Slack, if you're listening to this, maybe update that. I've been feeling there's a lot of things that we're going to find that the companies kind of just forgot about. And then we resurface it and they go, oh, yeah. And then they can just fix it. Yeah, but Salesforce owns Slack, and I imagine all they think about is KPI's and not

hearts. Yeah, and making a Mr. Beast commercial. Yeah, but there's got to be someone from Slack who watches this podcast. There's got to be one person. Probably. There's got to be one person. Yeah. And they can fire off an email.

I'm sure they have an internal Slack at Slack, right? They can send a quick Slack message. They actually use Teams. Oh, no. Well, they can find a way to hopefully maybe update that. We'll see if we can get it done. Okay, that'd be good. Next week we'll find another thing.

My did they even test us is metal watch bands. Does anyone, they always pull your hair? This feels like a Seinfeld joke. What's the deal with metal watch bands? I mean, they've been, you know, classic for many years. but they always just pull your arm hairs. Maybe I'm just too hairy. I don't know.

Same. Same here. It wants you to remember you've got a sick watch on all the time. That's true, yeah. That's true. Yeah. We solved that.

We solved the questions. Yeah, so everyone put it in your notes app. Let's try and do one every week. I think it'll be fun. I have like 12 just off the top of my head. Whenever you need, let me know. I'll also very quickly do a quick internet update. I did have my internet back by the time I got home on Wednesday.

Don't clap. Please do not clap. They do not deserve a clap. One funny thing that happened was I get a call on Friday and it's a person saying, hey, this is Bobbaba with Xfinity. Did you know no one's home right now? And I said, I did know no one's home right now. Why are you at my house?

And he was like, oh, there were some other wires hanging low and I got a thing to come and fix them. I was like, okay, no one told me that. And he said, well, they're technically telephone wires. And then that guy, super nice. the actual technician. He was like, they're not even our wires, but I think I have something that can probably move them up a little bit,

so nothing actually accidentally touches it. He winds up doing the whole thing and giving me his personal cell phone number because he says, don't even try calling the 1-800 number. It accomplishes nothing. That is a, so shout out to that guy. Exactly.

The technicians who come are basically always actually knowledgeable and helpful. Yeah, they're poorly managed. I just can't get in touch with them. Yeah. So I do feel like I had a very similar experience for some reason, like getting fiber install. I don't remember what exactly happened, but I remember the actual in-person

technical person being way more helpful than anyone at the company trying to get them there. One more funny story about this really fast is I got an email last week, let me find it real fast, from Comcast business point of contact who tried to contact us to see if we needed any business needs from Comcast, which was possibly the worst timing ever after everything happened last week. my little piece of help or revenge, I guess, is I just got to send him a nice email that said there's zero chance after the horrible

experience I had last week and that we're not interested at working with Xfinity at all. That was my little soul's solace of that whole experience. Hopefully some human read that instead of just AI filtering it away. Well, he even says in his email save my contact information, no need to wait on our 1,800 lines for an available remote agent call center.

something's like, I think this was in response to your rant? No, because it's just a salesperson, probably spamming people. So you think it was just like coincidence that they did the same week? It was just a really fortunate coincidence. Damn. Well, internet is a monopoly. Other things that are not monopolies, but could be surveillance states. We have a little update to our ring story from last week.

So if you didn't listen to last week's episode, effectively one of the Super Bowl commercials that came out was that, that ring, the doorbell company owned by Amazon, had this new feature that they were going to turn on, where basically all the rings would act as surveillance state cameras. And if you lost your dog, it would identify your dog and totally not people. Only your dog. We record this episode. We record this podcast on Wednesdays. On Thursday, Ring came out and basically was like, never mind.

So they spent all that money on the Super Bowl ad. And then they were like, actually we're not going to be working with Flock to do this anymore. They cited a bunch of reasons that probably were not the reasons. And really the real reason was just that everyone was like canceling and I'm subscribing and getting rid of Ring and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But what's kind of ironic about this is like the CEO of Ring, the founder of Ring, they... Mr. Ring? Mr. Ring himself. He has been very outspoken in this fact that like he, like, he actually.

actually wants there to be a surveillance state, specifically because he is, like, laser-focused on getting crime down to zero, and he's like, yeah, I mean, I eventually want all of these cameras to just continuously be recording everybody everywhere and going to police, and we want to work with police. Everyone everywhere all at once. Yeah. There are two schools of thought here. That's why he started the company. It is not untrue that crime goes down when people think that they are going to get caught,

obviously, right? So that is these two schools of thought that people have. And he's been very outspoken on the fact that he thinks that this is the way forward. There's actually a good decoder episode with Neli about this that he went on and did with him. And he's pretty straightforward on what he wants to do with this. But obviously all of that backlash made it so that they are deciding that they are not going to do this anymore. I think they said it was taking longer than they expected and definitely had nothing to do with the immense backlash that came after them. spending probably almost $10 million on a commercial.

I'm just looking back. I mean, 10 million is almost nothing to them, but it is funny that like they called it search party. Yeah. There's just, I'm looking back. Like, how did this make it all the way to the end, you know? Well, I have a- Somebody had the idea and was like, here's a great idea.

And everyone in marketing was like, yeah, yeah. And then not one single person went, hey, you know what this looks like? And it just went all the way to the end. I was at a bakery this weekend and someone in our town lost their dog. and I saw a couple, look at the thing and say, oh, did you see that commercial in the Super Bowl? Like, it can find lost dogs. That's pretty cool.

And I was like, hmm. No, that's how they were hoping it would go. Yeah, that's exactly what they were picturing. So there are people who do think that. It's just also really funny when you think about the numbers they put in the commercial of being like a million people lose their pets a year. And we find one per day.

Yeah. We find like 0.01% of dogs that get lost. Yeah. And also watch everything. Compassionate. a valid use case for something that could obviously be used for way worse things.

And they're like, oh, it doesn't even have acts, it doesn't even have the ability to recognize faces. That's our separate feature called familiar faces. But they don't touch each other at all. Like, okay. But we can recognize dogs, like, really well.

But only dogs. We trained our model on a thousand dogs, we know. They need to hire the marketing people at Apple who just make you terrified of not purchasing their products. That would work a little bit?

Yeah, that like three-minute dog store. Yeah, the pair in the house video. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, another thing that happened where we thought it would be better, but it actually got worse, is that Google has announced that the Pixel 9 series is now going to have the ability to use Airdrop as well. So if you remember a few weeks ago, Google added compatibility for the Pixel 10 series to have Airdrop.

They said, we are excited to bring this to more Android phones soon. We were hoping that more Android phones would be more Android. phones, not more Google phones. And so they're being added to, it's being added to all Pixel 9 devices except for the 9A. And when reached for comment about this, Google just kind of gave their PR answer of, we're excited to bring this to more Android phones in the future. I was really hoping they were just going to be using the Pixel 10 series as a testbed to make sure it worked on Android at all and had enough stability, et cetera, et cetera.

But now they're just putting, pushing it to the nine. They still haven't done the 8. There's all these other phones. I don't really know what needs to be done here. Can I, do you think they didn't do 9A because when 10A drops, 10A will have it and they need to wait a couple months for 9A to get it? So then 9A doesn't have it because. Oh, my God. We'll talk about it in a minute, but not much has changed in the 10A.

That is a Google thing to do, but doing that off the back of finally having an Apple feature is just very strange. They usually do that in Google Photos. They don't usually do that. Yeah, that's common. With other features. I'm a blip stand. Blip's free. Sorry, before we get off Airdrop.

Blip rules. Blip kind of hit the studio this year. Hard. And, like, we've been an Airdrop studio. As you've probably been familiar, like, a lot of us are using Final Cut Pro and an NMAX in the studio, so we, like, pass files back and forth. And it's decently useful for, I'd say, anything up to about one gig. But as soon as I see, like, 890 megabytes, I need to send somebody a file, I'm like,

do I really want to air drop this? It's going to not work some of the times. The UI also, speaking of, did you test this? Every time I go to Open to Share an AirDrop, it starts populating and it goes three, six, 12, 15, a ton of devices, and I go to click the one to Airdrop to and then it slides over and it slides again to the next row. Every single time I miss and I send it to the wrong person

and it's really annoying. So please test that Apple. Anyway, AirDrop usually doesn't work after a large enough file size or it's extremely slow. And Rufus, I think, is the one who brought Blip to the studio. He's like, have you guys tried Blip? And we're like, what's that? and he's like, you know, it's just an app that does the same exact thing,

but it actually works. And cross platform. And it's cross platform. And it's local. It's faster. We got to give Rivas a little more credit because it was the kind of thing where he was like, let me blip this to you. We were like, dude, you want me to download a thing?

No, I'm not getting another. It's like, air drops. It's like air drops. And then everyone sends their first blip and it's like, whoa. Do you know what? For the super niche content tech content creators out there who might be reviewing Android phones and editing out a Mac,

Being able to send the files through Blip instead is life-changing. It's huge. I'm going to send us all my creative friends. All four of us who are reviewing Android phones. Yeah, it's really good. Anyway, Google decided to drop the Pixel 10A this week. They were teasing it for a little bit. They were sort of teasing it because it looks the same.

So they just showed us what it looked like already. Now we have all the official specs and all the official numbers and everything. And it's the same as... is the pixel 9a. Almost literally the same. So I went into this thinking it's the same phone. I have the spec sheet in front of me here. Display, same size, same resolution.

I'm going back and forth. Okay, display. Batteries, same size. Okay, cameras, same exact cameras, all right. Chip, same exact pixel, the tensor 4 chip. So I'm like, what do they actually change in the pixel 10A? It's the same price. In case you're curious, I have a full list here of everything that's different about

pixel 10a versus pixel 9a ready I'm ready the camera bump which was pretty flush before it was like very flush it was actually it's like a millimeter protruding now it's actually zero flush it took an angle grinder to it yeah the uniform bezzles I can't tell with my eyes but I'm told they're slightly thinner 10% as they say it doesn't look at wire charging goes from 23 watts to 30 wireless charging goes from seven and a half watts to 10. Okay. And the display is 10% brighter.

Did they tell you the wired charging thing? Their spec sheet they sent is so vague and annoying. 10% brighter. Yeah. On the spec sheet they sent us, it just says... It's like imperceivable brightness change. It was like 2,700 peak brightness to 3,000 people. Yeah, but brightness is logarithmic already, so like...

Yeah, it's not going to blow your mind for it. It's a little brighter. And otherwise, it's the same. phone same tensor G4, same 8 gigs of RAM. Does it have? Nope. Probably not. Nope.

My one, this is the thing about releasing a new phone that's basically the same as last year. A lot of people sometimes like to complain like, oh, you didn't change anything. But I think without any substance for what they should have changed, that's kind of an empty complaint. Because change for the sake of change doesn't really help anyone. Like, you want to keep it consistent. You've got a brand. You know, you have to keep something consistent.

So what should they have changed? Is the real question. And the number one thing that comes to mind is, you did this whole pixel snap thing with the pixel tens, the G2 magnets in the back, this would have been perfect. You could have just won up, you could have made an ad about how the base iPhone 17E or 16E or whatever doesn't have it.

This would have been fun. You could have had it across the whole pixel 10, and they didn't add magnets. That's crazy. They didn't move to the tensor G5. They didn't go to 56 degrees of base storage. They didn't do any of the... the things they could have done that I think would have been nice at this $4.99 price.

Taking notes from Samsung. Yeah. So first I was like, why even release a new phone at all? Because it's, you know, you don't have to every year. But then I was like, you know what? You're Google. You kind of just do. You just go through the motions.

And I felt that vibe the entire time. I was like shooting the phone. We went to the city and like had a little briefing and they brought us to this back room. I always feel like they usually like shut down that area of the building to keep. it quiet so that we can shoot. There was just Google employees walking back. Oh, they're doing the thing. Like, nobody seemed to care.

We shot the phone. It was very much an afterthought type of phone. So it's updated. I wanted you so bad to bring a 9A and just leave it on one of the platforms and then see if anyone accidentally recorded the wrong phone and made it into a different review. It's perfect because the colors of the phones, there's four colors, are almost exactly the same, just a little bit more saturated. And I saw the spec sheet had different color names and I was like, oh, maybe there's different colors because there's like fog and obsidian and then there's like a sort of a reddish and a purplish one. I forgot the names.

Lavender and berry, right? I think that's the new ones. Yeah. The last ones had some name like Pony and Porcelain or something else. And so they like renamed the white one porcelain to fog. But it's still the same color. And then they have this. If you're going to change everything by like such an imperceivable amount white.

even change it. Exactly. Like you could, you should just call it the Pixel A, 2026, pixel A 2027. Well, at this point. At least the companies

used to be a little bit more honest about it. They'd go, oh, this is the iPhone 6S. Because it's, it's a small update from the iPhone 6. In fact, it's the same design, just a little bit of a spec bump, like a couple small things. This isn't even a spec bump.

Yeah. And at least with that, you'd be like, all right, I'll probably skip the S and just wait for the next one. This one, they, it's just a 10A and it's just the same. as the last phone. And I ended up thinking about that for the video

and the conclusion I came to is like the pixel is very much a software-defined thing. Yeah. Like the reason you get a pixel, especially the A-series pixel, like that buyer isn't going, I want the latest chip, or I want the highest-resolution display or whatever. It's just a phone that works

that has the pixel features. And it's still that. And so that's the reason why it's probably fine for most of those people. But Yeah, as someone who reviews phones year over year, this was like, huh, I don't we have ever seen that before. We've talked about them having a lot of sort of like friendliness with Samsung. It seems like they're taking a lot of lessons from Samsung over here.

Yeah, this is like, we've been joking about how we've, on the what, S23 plus plus plus plus plus. But this is like another level of a whole lot of nothing, which we might see get beat in a week or in a couple weeks with, we'll talk about it later, but if iPhone 17E is the exact same thing, it's going to be even funnier this year when the base iPhone got so good last year.

Yeah, there might be a lot of L's. I'm just more with Marquez here. Why even release this 10A? I think they could have just been like, you know, the 9A is still pretty good for people that like want a cheap entry-level pixel. Yeah. And everyone would have been like, okay, yeah.

Yeah. And the iPhone SE used to just be every couple years. Yeah. And that was fine. We get an iPhone SE like every three years. and it would be like, oh, they'd be a budget phone. Apple knew how to do it. They just called it SE so that there wasn't the confusion of like every year.

Yeah, because now they kind of had to release the 10A because they had to have a 10 version of the A phone. But if they just called it like the pixel E. I think that's literally exactly what they're doing. Yeah. Is somebody is going to, some new shopper is going to start looking for a budget phone and they will see that there is a 9A and no 10A. And they'll go, oh, I guess there's no 10A.

And they'll just go, oh, it's no old news and move on. But if there's a 10A, they'll consider. I mean, Apple learned that also. They stopped doing SE, and now they did 16E and possibly 17E. Right. That seems worse. It seems like they should still call it SE because then they can sell the same phone for a long time. They can, but I think people want to see this number, new number.

I want new number even if it's cheaper, which is unfortunate. But probably the marketing is the numbers are probably proving it. Bring back the pixel 4A, better phone than this. Better phone than this. Had a headphone jack. Cheaper. Wait, can I just confirm really fast? The, so you said they told you 30 watt wireless charging because all they say in here is fast charging up to 50% in 30 minutes using 45 watt USBC charger or higher sold separately.

Yeah, they will sell you separately a 45 watt charger. And if you use that one, then it can peak at 30 watts instead of 23 like last year. This is, putting this in the briefing document that they send you for as a reviewers guide is. Isn't that 45-watt charger, like, pretty expensive, too? It's a thing that I'm sure a lot of pixel A buyers won't buy. Yeah. They'll just use whatever one they have. Yeah.

I would not be surprised if a bunch of day of reviews today get this part wrong because of how poorly this is worded in the reviewers guy. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of deciphering. I mean, at a certain point, these just become Gemini boxes. That's what Google wants. That's their end game.

They just wanted them to be magical Gemini boxes that do the thing. They're not going to do this with the 11, are they? They can't make it look the same, you mean? They can't have it be the same spec sheet as the 10, right? They're just going to add new tensor accelerators and that's it. Yeah, that's actually kind of... God, that's all that matters now. That's all that matters now.

The raw horsepower, GPU power, all that of tensor has never been the reason you buy it. Yeah. And so it's just going to be more tensor cores and more AI chops. I mean, kind of the same specs anyway. With the acceleration of AI that we've seen in the last year, I imagine that I was going to be... pretty crazy this year, which we did get a date for officially as of yesterday. Summer.

Jumping ahead a little bit, but that is happening in May. It's May 19th and 20th. So we'll see if that stacks up. But I imagine there is so much competition in the AI race. It's not even about the phones anymore. It's just about Gemini and what they can do with Gemini. So they already have the pixel experience pretty laid out. That's what makes a pixel a pixel, I guess.

That's what makes it. Yeah, and 120 gig base storage. Yeah. Still. So. I don't know how we even talked about that for that long, but honestly. We had our segues gone really nicely. We just kind of moved through a bunch of topics effortlessly because we're so good at that.

Speaking of a lot of topics that you may or may not get correctly or incorrectly. I see what you did there. Maybe trivia time. By the way, audience, I promise it will get more interesting. We have more stuff. I promise nothing of the sort. I thought that was super interesting. We have a lot more interesting.

That's interesting. Actually, if you don't know what, if you didn't look at our thumbnail for the main channel and also look at the Pixel 9A thumbnail, you should go look. Because I think it's one of the, it was the most interesting thing about our video. And it's not a Photoshop, by the way.

Some people are thinking we photoshopped the pixel 9A thumbnail to change the color of the phone. No, we re-shot. I wore the same jacket. We actually got a new shot. Tim did change. That was more effort than Google put into the phone. Tim did change.

Change your shirt. Yes. Because you were the exact same one, but the phone colors were different. So Tim swapped your shirt. All right, Adam. Hit us with some easier trivia questions because I don't think any of us have gotten a point. Okay. Here's the easiest trivia question.

Okay. Let's go. What is Marquez's social security number? I know it. 606. I know it. No. So we spoke about the 10A just now.

But the first pixel A phone was the 3A made by which giant manufacturer. I know this. Oh, yeah. Who made it? Yeah. Back when they were like... 50% chance. Rotating through a couple manufacturers

to make pixels. Yep. Well, and nexuses. The nexus is mostly. Nexus is mostly. All the pixels are kind of made by the same team. No, the first couple pixels were... But the 4A was peak.

Wasn't it? They were all made by the same team. It was just they used like different screens. Team pixel. The pixel two... Yeah, they were made by team pixel. Which was the one where... Pixel 2 had the screen.

issue because it was like some had the screens from Samsung and some had them from LG. Right. What was the one where like didn't HCC make the small version and LG made the XL? That was the. That's a different. Nexus. I mean, the five was made by, the 5X was made by LG and the 6P was made by Huawei. Wally.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I missed those days. We're talking about how you don't need to update things because, you know, it's the same. I missed the Nexus days, but we had no freaking out. Completely different. What's it going to be? I don't know.

It's going to be a totally random weird. We tried a shamu. Then we tried a visor. Then I went back to Shamu. Then we did this. Oh, and then you like the five, we're going to make it again. But instead of that, we're also going to have the six. What do you guys think of orange?

Yeah, I mean. Pixel 2, HCC, 2xLLG. That's made by? Wow. Well, you just kind of looked up. Pixel 2. Well, that's pixel 2. Yeah.

You were talking about the pixel 1? No, this is the pixel 3. Pixel 3A. Oh. The first A phone. I'm definitely not giving either of you hints because you probably know this exactly. I'm the one who needs a hint. I think I know it, but we'll see.

They think they know it, they say. All right. We shall see. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Framer. A website should help your business grow, not slow it down. If updates to your dot com feel harder than they should,

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So go to Shopify.com slash Wayform. That's Shopify.com slash Wayform. All right, welcome back. It is February, which means we are getting now a little bit more into the meat of the year. We have a Samsung event coming up, and we also have just announced an Apple event coming up. I don't know what's going to be announced at any of these events. It could be anything. But we can speculate.

Gatsy S-223 plus plus plus-plus. I think we know it's getting an event announced at the Samsung event. Yeah. Do we? The S-26 line up. It could be anything, Andrew. What if it's a folding? They haven't said. Why are your hands in your pockets?

Why are they spending so much money on this launch event in San Francisco? When it's literally somebody, somebody put on Twitter the launch event from last year, and they said leaked S-26 at launch event. All the comments were like, Wow, so cool that you got this. Like, literally nobody even could realize that it was last year's. Samsung's official invitation says, unpacked February 2026. The next AI phone makes your life easier.

That could be anything. Maybe what if they, this whole event is just them re-announcing Bixby. I can't wait for that day. It's going to be, the Galaxy Home will find out. Galaxy Home. It's going to be S-26. That was peak. The Galaxy phone finally launches.

Galaxy speaker. Anyway, but the Apple event we actually don't know also, but we kind of probably also do know. Yeah, we can guess. What do we hope gets announced at these types of things? Well, I wanted to see

new Mac minis to run Claude. I'm just kidding. No, no. I'm only kind of kidding. But there are all these rumors of the new Apple A-series MacBook that we've been talking about

for many, many, many months now. Yeah. And this seems to actually be the thing that people are saying might come out because the invitation that went out for people with there's this March 4th event that's happening that is apparently just going to be sort of an experience event and people are saying that there's not going to be like a keynote. They're going to release that stuff separately. But the colors in that launch event poster are the colors that people are saying that these MacBooks might be colored as. It's like a light green, a light

yellow, sort of a really cheap $700 model. Can I just say every time we do the like speculation about what the event invite means, I always wish that someone had done like a, how close were we about previous event invites and what it actually ended up being? Someone's probably done that. I think someone's done, they've like analyzed every invite and then,

and like what the hint was and what it turned out to be. Okay. So this is the possible new colors of this colorful new, cheaper entry-level MacBook powered by an A-series chip. Yeah. I'm very interested in this. I think right now we're in a spot

where Apple Silicon's gotten super, super good. And whenever we talk about MacBook Air, which is the current cheapest laptop they make, it is such an easy to recommend $1,000 or $1,100 laptop. It's almost like the default way of getting into Apple laptops. But there are lots of laptops that are way cheaper than that. And the Mac Mini came out and was maybe the best deal in tech at like $600 and being just enough computer

for anyone who just needs a computer. But what if you need a laptop and you have $600? This is a spot that Apple can probably ship a ton of laptops. Oh my God. And if the A-series chip is good enough, like they don't need to ship an M-1 in this thing. They can ship an A-series ship in super high volume. It could be a winner. I mean, they really want to compete with the Chromebooks on the education front because

Google really locks people the hell in. I mean, I think the fact that they came out with the education bundle so recently, the creative apps for education and all that stuff is not a coincidence. incidents because the biggest the biggest thing that really moves people through Google's ecosystem is using Chromebooks while they're in elementary school and they just have Google accounts they just continue on with it so Apple's like we really want a piece of that pie and considering if they're selling this to consumers at $700 I would imagine that they would give them to schools for even cheaper yeah so they could really they could really ship a lot of these but I think most people don't need the power of M5 M4 you know in their laptops yeah So honestly, like an A-18, it's basically just an iPad but with a interface that makes sense. I think that that could be a winner. Yeah, it's funny because there's this whole other slate of possible things we're thinking Apple might announce. Another one is a touchscreen MacBook Pro, maybe at some point late this year or next year or something like that.

Yeah. And so we're kind of keeping an eye on how MacOS is evolving and what the app situation looks like and how that's happening. and obviously they're so similar in architecture anyway, like you're running lots of those apps. It makes total sense that an A-series chip would work in a cheap MacBook. Yeah. But it now makes even more sense that we could see a touchscreen version of Mac OS. Yeah, yeah.

It is interesting because what happens to the MacBook Air? I mean, they kind of created this really, really big pipeline of computers at that point where the MacBook Air was supposed to be the cheapest, most affordable model, and it's 13 inches. So is the only differentiating factor going to be the fact that it has a not as strong processor? Yeah, I think it'll be the main thing.

Air will go back to meaning middle. I think it'll be middle, but I'd assume the, if we're guessing that this A18 version of the MacBook is going to be something almost like a Chromebook that we give to schools, I'd assume the chassis that it's in

is going to be pretty... A cheaper version of it, which means thicker, which means probably more ports and stuff like. that for kids when so then like are we assuming this is the like the cheaper in all aspects version of the MacBook then the air is kind of like the in between I understand I don't need a ton of processing power or ports thinner I'm traveling all the time gets everything done I need to be

the cheaper I don't say grown up version yeah and then then we have the pros that are pro models yeah I kind of see it as an expansion of the lineup downward and I don't know what to expect ports-wise from this. I think naturally if it's going to education you have to have a couple of ports, but I could see Apple not doing that. Everything's online. Yeah, maybe not more ports.

Do you even, but all that education stuff is on the internet anyway? That's a good point. Do you really need any ports besides the charging port? I just, I always picture an HDMI port, but I haven't been in a classroom in so long that I'm not even sure you need that anymore. The kids don't need it. They definitely don't need it. They definitely don't need it.

HTML is like only for the pros. I guess if you want to think about it of like the iPad lineup of like they had an iPad mini, an iPad Pro, and then they had the like iPad for education one that still had the old button and everything for super, super cheap. Like this MacBook would be that, I guess. Exactly. Yeah.

So it puts iPad, it puts air in the middle again. So in the iPad lineup, it's iPad, then there's Air and there's iPad Pro. And then air is in the middle. So the MacBooks, it would be like the MacBook. This is like the 12-inch MacBook they wanted to do Will. I literally have that pulled up right now. Yeah, yeah. It's like a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper, slightly underpowered, but totally fine for most people laptop.

And then if you really need the upgrade, okay, here's a bigger screen, here's a bigger battery. It's the MacBook Air. It's $1,100 and it's all the computer you probably need. And then the pros for the people who need that. Yeah. Air is in the middle again. And then what else is Air? I mean, iPhone Air is kind of in the middle, sort of. Price-wise, it's technically in the middle.

So, yeah, it kind of works. That's true. It's rumored to have a 12.9-inch display, whereas the MacBook Air has 13.6. Not a huge difference there. It's something. I was really hoping they would go for an actual 12-inch super hyper-portable display, especially if they were trying to get into the education market where kids' backpacks are the size of a purse. I think that could be really helpful.

Am I the only one just straight up picturing the MacBook from 2015? No, yeah, for sure. And they're just going to like make the bezel bigger and that. Or, well, smaller. You know what's funny about this? I mean, I would love that. I think that the 12-inch MacBook, hear me out, and the trash can Mac Pro have a lot in common.

Ready? Ready for this? I'm going to blow your mind. Ready. This was back in the earlier days of almost like late Johnny I of Apple, of ultra-minimalism, where they had an idea of a computer that they wanted to make, but they didn't have the silicon to really make it a reasonable computer. Concepts of a computer. So the Mac Pro Trashcan was like this ultra-small, single-fan computer with like an Intel chip in there and like Dual Radion GPUs. It was ridiculous.

It was crazy that they were. even tried that, but they did, and it was a computer that would readily overheat and leave dead pixels in your video exports, but it was a thing that they probably could have done with Apple Silicon a couple of years later, really, really well. The 12-inch MacBook is the same thing. That was powered by an Intel Core M3 or I5 or I-7 or whatever back in 2017, and it was a smaller, a little bit underpowered, a little bit too much heat-throttled type of computer where, like, if they had Apple Silicon back then, that would have actually been a reasonable. computer. So I think this is them revisiting that concept. I don't think they're going to revisit

that trashcan Mac Pro. I think that's just Mac Studio now. Yeah. But that's like the too early for Mac, too early for Apple Silicon idea that can come around and actually be good again. I wish that they would release the trash can again as the trash can fan edition. They could with an M-chip. That'd be so sick. I have so many other thoughts about Mac Pro. Mac Pro is basically dead. Yeah, I think. And we're, We can get to some of these other rumors because we're expecting more M5 MacBook Pros and like higher end, like finishing out the M5 chip lineup, like an M5 Pro and an M5 Max. Whether Ultra ever gets upgraded from M2 Ultra, I'm not sure. Because, yeah, the Mac Pro is still on M2 Ultra.

At this point, there is an M3 Ultra chip. It's only in Mac Studio. There is no M4 Ultra Chip yet if they did make it. Does that mean you cannot buy a Mac Pro that can do Rachel. tracing then because I think ray tracing was added in M3. Look that out. Someone fact check me out. If that's true, then yeah.

That's crazy. That's a bummer. RTCX on, baby, RTCHAs. I have a Mac Pro on my desk. I've been using and editing it. It's M2 Ultra. It's a great computer. I also have one internal PCI card in there.

It's got like a 90 terabyte SSD raid and that's super useful for my backup. There is no reason I should be using a Mac Pro still. I should just use a Mac Studio. They're so funny because they're like 90sdip. percent air on the inside. It's just airflow. That's the Mac air. So I might as well, at this point,

like my next desktop computer is, I think, an M5 Ultra Mac Studio with like a single Thunderbolt cable to like my little SSD backup. I think that's what it has to be. Because I think Mac Pro is just Apple's done with like giving that attention and resources. Mark, because what you should do is they make

these like rack units that have for a Mac Studio that have a Thunderbolt port like built into the back. So as soon as you put it in the rack, it like plugs into the Thunderbolt and then it adds to like one or two PCI card slots in it. Yeah. You can still use your giant hard drive. And what's really cool is there's like this, a lot of them have this mechanical situation where you push a button on the front that pushes an armature that links around the back.

So it moves the power button to the front. Oh, that's hilarious. It's funny because I, the difference, now that Thunderbolt 5 is out, it's enough bandwidth for me to do what I was going to do with that PCI storage. I think there's still people who use PCI for other things they need all that bandwidth for. But for me, accessing like 40 terabytes of backup footage, I can edit off of a Thunderbolt 5 drive at this point. Yeah.

You're going to need to edit off of those drives you already have because the cost of storage is up of 10X from what it was a year ago. Yeah. So, yeah, I think my Mac Pro is on its way out at some point, and I'm hoping to see an M5 Ultra, even though we don't even have M4 Ultra yet. It would be nice. It would be nice.

Yeah. Well, speaking of there's some other things that we're probably going to see, probably an M5 Pro and M5 Max MacBook Pro because they still have not released M5 Pro and M5 Max, that's correct, right? Yep. No Mac Mini with M5 Pro. Just base M5.

They haven't talked about the Mac Mini. Apparently some new potentially cheaper displays which could be cool because currently you've got the studio display, which is cheaper, and then you've got the Pro Display XDR which has not been updated in a really, really, really long time. Maybe something in the middle could be nice.

You know, something that's pro, but isn't $6,000. Both of those displays are in a really weird place in the market. Like, Andrew, you know a lot more about, like, displays and the variety of displays you can get. But I just feel like the pro-display XDR is a $5,000 monitor. And $1,000 stand. Plus a $1,000 stand, plus $1,000 nanotextro coding that's online. It's like, and it's a 60-hertz display.

So on paper it looks ridiculous, but it has the brightness. It has the color calibration. It has, like, what we need for everyone on the studio seeing the exact same. color, which is awesome. The studio display, Kirk may have I'm wrong, $1,700, I think. I think it's $17,000. Also 60 Hertz,

27-inch display. It's kind of, it gets pitched by Apple in these, like, kind of creative scenarios sometimes because it's a studio display. Yeah. But also, like, the display for your bedroom or the display for just the computer you have in your house, it's kind of a silly buy.

The rumor is going to be Studio Display 2. Okay. So just an update to it? And this is from 9 to 5 Mac, and they're saying that they're thinking it will have a higher refresh rate, either 90 or 120 hertz. Please. An A-19 chip in it, because currently it has the A-13 bionic chip in it, that's to allow this camera and speakers and stuff to do all the Apple Magic. Potentially a mini-l-D display, which should be good, and H-JR support. Sure.

And that is probably, I think, all I would need of that computer, and hopefully it's reasonably priced. Not sure I can cross my fingers out of that part. Yeah, well, the last part. Yes. Take a by too, but... I imagine it'll be about the same price. I think that there are just not that many good Thunderbolt displays right now, and that's what a lot of people come back to when they talk about the studio display.

It's lacking on a lot of features, but there are just not a lot of displays, but you can just plug in one cable and everything just works perfectly. Yeah, there's a small handful. I've seen some reviews. There's like the LNG ultra-fine stuff, and I think we have like a Dell one now that I've gotten really... It's like the giant 5Ks.

It's slightly big. So there's some interesting choices out there. Almost all of them are at least higher refresh rate. I can't believe Apple's still shipping like this expensive of the display at 60 hertz. It's hard to compare, like you said, the Pro Display XDR because you're looking at things that are like color calibrated. And once you start getting into those monitors, they're niche as well and super expensive. So if you were looking at pure specs, you could probably find 800 monitors that are better. For six grand.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But then you get into that. But then in like so niche in there. In color calibration world, there's like $40,000 monitors. Plus, you want a cheese grater on the back, which is the most important part that's behind your wall. It's huge. Yeah.

Every day I walk around the side of my desk and I just check the back just to make sure the cheese grater holes are still. Nice, nice. Yeah. Yeah, and then some other potential updates, A18 base iPad. So just kind of bumping that up. M4 iPad Air. So it's in the middle finally getting M4. iPhone 17E, which again, we don't really expect anything to be different from the 16.

They got to have Maxi. It's going to be so funny. They got to have Maxi. I hope that. they do the same thing, Pixel just did. Because if 16E was already bust of the year last year, terrible phone to buy, if 17E is exactly the same when they then made the base 17,

like a deal, like we finally said an iPhone was a deal. If then it's the same as the 16E, it's going to be somehow a worse deal than it already was. That would be head scratching. That would be crazy. And none of us would be surprised by it at all. So just a new chip.

And maybe the new like dynamic island, I guess. Is that it? I guess. I can't even remember what the 60. I don't even. It had the 60 hertz. Had the notch.

Yeah. Thicker bezels. No mag safe. No fast charge. It has wireless charging. But no magnets, obviously. Yeah. And like black or white are the only colors.

Single camera. Like really truly a base phone. Like single speakers at the bottom. Like really base phone. I don't see them changing a lot of that stuff. They're just going to probably do a chip bump and maybe a display bump to like the, at this point, like the first dynamic island LCD that they ever made.

Did they ever do an LCD dynamic island? Maybe not. So maybe it's an OLED. Maybe it's an OLED. Only OLED. Yeah, it would have to be OLED if it was dynamic island. So that'd be cool. Yeah.

And then I guess the same phone, otherwise, sadly. Yep, starting at 600 bucks. Hmm. Yeah. Okay, 16E is already OLED, so that's good. It'll be OLED. That's good. It seems like it's quite a month of quote-unquote updating things.

Slight updates for 20s. Slide updates. It's like Samsung, Google, and Apple are all just not really updating things. And these are still the companies that are like mega companies that are big enough to not be as price sensitive with memory with all that's happening. Yeah. Like we think GPUs memory of all that stuff. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I think Apple can basically just eat the cost at this point.

Even if it eats into their margin to the point where they lose money, I think they're willing to eat the cost thinking that maybe within a year, memory will go back down. because they don't want to be unstable and dynamically change their pricing constantly, especially for a mega corporation like that, and that would be a bad look. We do have one more event, though. There's going to be a nothing event for the nothing 4A on the 5th,

and Carl Pay decided to do what Carl Pay does, and he took the Apple event invite, and he made a little Photoshop spray paint thing of nothing and over the Apple logo, and then put March 5th instead of March 4th. Neat. Funny. kind of almost a callback

almost a callback to 2018 when there was going to be a 1 plus event that Carl was the head of and they announced it and it was a big fanfare and then two weeks before Apple was like actually we're going to have an event on that day and then 1 Plus had to literally move to a week later because they're like we literally

cannot compete. Do they move it a week? I thought they moved it like one day after. I think they moved it a week after. I think they moved it a week later. It was really funny though because everyone in my world was like so which one are you going too. Yeah, we all knew. If this is a call back to that, I'll give Carl some credit for this. That's funny.

I think if you can joke about something funny that happened to you in the past, that probably screwed up a lot of things. Yeah. Well, ironically, this 4A seems to be the only thing that has a new design. So, I guess you've got to give credit where it's due. Fair enough. I've got kind of a thing

here on, we're getting a lot of tweets because Apple just announced video podcasts through Apple Podcasts. And obviously, like Spotify, a lot of people have been asking us if we are going to put it on. So let me explain what's happening and then explain if we will be on it or not. They launched their video podcast experience on the podcast app, which lets people stream through HCTP live streaming. And you will be able to download for offline viewing.

This is something they just announced on Monday, I think it was. In their press release, Apple said, we were putting creators in full control of their content and how they build their businesses while making it easier than ever for audiences to listen. to or watch podcasts. So everyone's asking us, will we be putting it on it? And right now, the answer is no, because we can't, because Megaphone is not one of the partners that's working with this so far. It is opening with Art 19, Omni Studio, Simplecast, and AdsWiz. Those are all the platforms of publishing that will be able to use this.

Does say there will be more participating partners later, but we're in the Vox Media Podcast Network and we use Megaphone, which is also owned by Spotify. I don't know when they will be joining the Apple Podcasts video platform for this. But it is kind of cool that they're allowing dynamically inserted video ads, including host reads, which is a big thing in video podcasting right now. That's still kind of weird. If you watch us on YouTube, those are obviously not dynamically inserted. They're based into the videos.

Until the YouTube feature gets added. Until that gets added, we'll see what that does. Podcasting and podcast ads are so based on dynamically inserted ads because when you're just downloading and streaming audio all the time. it gets swapped out and that's kind of how people can find ways to advertise on there. It's much easier when you can't see if the host is wearing a different shirt or not. On video podcasts, we re-record our ads every week.

I think Vox thinks we're crazy that we do that. But we do because we like things to be as high quality as they are, even if it's an ad you're going to skip. So we'll see what that does. The reason we still have to see how this plays out though because the way Spotify did video and the reason we're one of the reasons we're still not on there is like we were worried and it might still take over the if they take the video audio and turn that into the audio thing we might lose all of the advertising that's coming through Vox

or whichever podcast network we're with and if they're doing their weird ads just from Spotify if Apple were to do something like that I don't know we need to see what it does because I don't think people realize how much ads in podcasts is what makes or breaks and also just to be transparent We're half a podcast, we're half a YouTube channel, basically. And we need to keep getting views on YouTube because that's how we grow and make money, discoverability, that kind of stuff. And it's just kind of awkward now that everyone's like just put it in here because we don't get paid for that. So I understand the flexibility and being able to jump between the audio and the video and the same app is nice. But if the waveform YouTube channel starts getting less and less views because people are watching it on Spotify and,

and Apple Podcasts, and then we don't get money for that. It's kind of hard to... It's also... It'll be once, like, podcast networks who seems pretty... I don't want to say behind, but the podcasting in general is not really up to date with advertising everywhere else.

So once they get stuff working and figuring out rates and stuff like that, it could totally work. And I'd wonder how much we would lose on if it would be on spot-up, like if it's just our audio listeners wanting to hop into video, if that would actually hit our use,

YouTube at all. There's just a lot more to it than just can you post it on. Yeah, like the reason Joe Rogan took that $10 million deal or whatever it was, $100 million. It's because we turned it down. Yeah, because he was the B plan. But the reason he took the $100 million deal was like he was making a lot of money on YouTube. Yeah, that's how much it cost to convince him to not put it on YouTube. Exactly. Yeah. So. Yeah. And I think it's also, you know, worth remembering that YouTube is still technically the largest podcast platform and has a lot of influence on how podcasts get made and shared. And we are a podcast, but as you said, we're a YouTube channel as well. And so there's different things we optimize for in different formats that you lean into.

Yeah. So Apple Podcasts does a decent job of doing like charts and different suggested shows. So I think some podcasters who maybe are smaller that have video where like introducing it to that might introduce you to a new audience. Totally. which could be cool, but in terms of us doing it quite yet, we've got a lot of stuff to figure out before we hop on that. I think Apple Podcasts may be, in my opinion, in my limited experience, the only other podcast platform that is big enough and has enough discoverability

through those charts that you could be swayed to go, all right, we should be putting everything on Apple Podcasts because people will find us there and we'll chart there sometimes and get new viewership there. I could see that. Yeah. It's much easier to convince us. going about YouTube there, but yeah, I could see that.

And either way, competition is good. Like, if Vimeo ever got big enough to be competitive to YouTube, people would have better ad rates on YouTube. That's true. So. There'll be Vimeo podcasts. Yeah. If Spotify and Apple and YouTube, I want to, like, battle it out on who pays the most to

video viewers, then go at it. Be my guess. Be my guess. That would be nice. We love it. Is podcasting dead? Podcasting is more of a concept. That's fair.

I think that it's not what it used to be. Everything's just a talk show now. Yeah. Pretty much. I feel like the beauty of podcasting before was that you could just record something, put it on RSS and be done with it. Yeah. To have like ads now, the problem. I wish there was like just some free third party thing where we can upload our own video ads.

Like a federated protocol? If only there was some way to like insert it dynamically in an open manner into each video. That'd be crazy. Yeah, but YouTube, Spotify, Apple, none of these platforms are ever going to let that happen. So like this is the conundrum we're in where this podcast industry is kind of exploding. It's on Netflix now. HBO has podcasts after Game Thrones. It's just like there's so many different places to upload video. The fear too is like why we're with a podcast network that does audio ads and stuff like that is going through an RSS feed.

And where whenever we start seeing Spotify or Apple trying to do it, it's like, well, what cut are they going to start trying to take or figuring out or controlling ads and jumping on it first as an established place? It doesn't seem like the best idea. If there were an open, federated protocol, we wouldn't have to have a middleman. Just saying, maybe that's something I should vibe code it with my Claudebot at ClaudeCon. Clawcon or whatever's called. Okay, well, we love games on this podcast.

We have lately been playing more and more games just like people keep playing games with my heart. So I think Adam is going to do a game with us after we do this second trivia question. We do less games if phone companies made phones fun at all anymore. You can't afford this. That's right.

If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry. Guys, earlier in the episode, we talked about Ring. But Ring was not always called Ring. Aren't they on Shark Tank? They were on Shark Tank. They were?

They were a Shark Tank. And Kevin O'Leary tried to get it, and he said no. They didn't make a deal, and then they went on to sold Amazon for a billion. Was it a billion? I believe. Same as Instagram. A bazzil? Yeah, it was a bazillion.

A bazil. Jeff Bez was like, I could do so much evil with this. Surveillance State, you say. Melania movie, you say. But before it was called Ring, was it called? Surveillance Day. A, doorbot. B, Campbell, or C, stoop watcher.

There's no way is any of those. Campbell. Well, yeah, wait, I'm not going to... It's one of those three terrible names. Yeah. I love my Campbell chicken noodle suit. Yeah, I was gonna say. They would get sued immediately if they used Campbell.

It was like how like Amazon's originally was like Abra or something. Like all of these companies like start off with something goofy and then eventually hire a marketer who's like, okay, we got to do something about this. Abra at least is like the other ones are just attempting to do a pun really poorly. That sounds like what ChatGPT would tell me if I was trying to make. With the internet, I didn't get any like primary sources. to confirm this, but what the internet sort of seemed to indicate was that, like, they started off, like, as a camera company. Like, like camera for your house, and that was not marketing well.

And so they pivoted to being a smart doorbell that happened to have a camera. And now that people are just okay with being surveilled 24-7, now they're like, we're a camera company. I guess not. I guess they try to be like, guys, we're a camera company. Here's a Super Bowl ad. And everyone was like, I didn't like that. Just go ring, ring.

someone's at the front door. We'll think about it. We'll be right. Welcome back. We are going to play two truths and a lie. Producer table versus host table. Oh. So there will be points up for grabs.

I will say a product and we're going to tell you three specs from that product. One of them will be completely made up. Two truths, one lie about all of these products. You guys need to agree on which one you think it is. Okay. And then if we're going to be. we fooled you, we get the point. If you get it right, you get the point. Okay. All right. Real products. Yeah, real products. All right. Let's start easy. All right. Pixel 10 Pro. Yep.

The first spec. It comes in two screen sizes. The pro, which is 6.3 inches and the Pro XL, which is 6.7 inches. Second spec. Yeah. Seven years of software updates. The third spec comes with a year of Google AI Pro, a $239 value. I'm like trying to think of every single thing. The seven years is of security updates and pixel drops, not full-on software updates. Are there technicalities like this? There have to be. There are, but I'm pulling this straight from their website. And you said seven years of software updates.

I think that's a lie. That's my guess because it's security updates, not. And pixel drops. I think it's the lie because in seven years, AI will have destroyed humanity, so they won't be able. Seven years of new features and updates, if that changes it. On those. Okay. Okay, so 6.3 and 6.7, does that sound right for 10 and 10 pro?

Yes, that sounds right. 10 pro, 10 pro XL, yep. And then? Or did they change the screenshot size by 0.1? Or was that Apple? I have the pro on my desk. Oh. No, I think that's right.

I think that's right. 6.3. So maybe it doesn't come with Google AI Pro for a year? I thought it did. Or maybe it wasn't a $230. Oh, doesn't it come with Ultra? No. No, it doesn't.

That's crazy. That's the $200 one. Pro is $20 a month. Do you want me to reread that for you? It sounds like something that would come. Let's hear him one more time, Adam. Two screen sizes, the pro 6.3 inches and the ProXL, 6.7 inches. Seven years of new features and updates.

Or comes with a year of Google AI Pro, a $239 value. Is it not a $239 value? This is the easy one? This is the easy one because it's like a very modern device. It's like things off their website. I think it's C. I think it's C. Yeah.

All right. Part of me thinks he's throwing one screen size off. I'll go see. Let's go C is a lot. See is the last. Wrong. We get the point. What?

The Pro Excel was 6.8 inches. I knew they changed it by a million. 6.9. 6.8? I knew they changed it by 0.1. 0.1 inches. Okay. You got us.

Yay. Damn it. We thought you. We're losing this game so bad. Also, can I just say, I love that we both, not we, but the Royal Wee bullied these Google into seven years of software updates. We slowly, we slowly bullied these companies into actually providing, seven years is a long time. I mean, didn't the iPhone, what iPhone just got an update after like 10 years recently? There was some headline.

It was just some security update. Oh, it was like a security yet? It was like a four, wasn't it? Or a six? But very few companies update things for seven years. That's like a long time. They usually forget it exists. this after one year.

Yeah. You know, Marquez, I'm really glad you brought that up because the next product on our list, arguably the greatest

consumer product ever released by any company ever. Humane AI pin. Humane AIPin. Yeah. Better than the Humane AIPin. Oh.

More benefit to society than penicillin. Jeez. The iPhone 12 Mini. Hmm. The wheel. Are you guys, way more than the wheel.

Way more than fire. Dude, I'm too hot. Anyway, he's that. Guys, iPhone 12 Mini. A, the iPhone 12 Mini has a screen-to-body ratio greater than 85%. The iPhone 12 Mini is the oldest iPhone still fully compatible with iOS 26. Fully compatible.

I'm not talking about security patches. I'm talking about iOS 26. I think that's right. I think the 11 is. The iPhone 12 Mini was part of the first series of iPhones to have. ceramic shield. I think the 11 is the 11 is the 26 one. I swear Ellis said something about his phone being the last. It was one of the ones that had ceramic shield. I did say it. The 12 is what added ceramic shield. I think it's being ceramic shield. I do remember the I feel like I remember

12 being ceramic shield. It was yeah. And then what was the first thing again? The iPhone told me as a screen to body ratio greater than 85%. It's probably like 86. I kind of think it's like just under. I think it has under 85%. No. Because I think it I think the notch in a phone that's small. Yeah. And it's bezels. Which is the lie? We're thinking about OG, like screen to body ratios.

We're like 88. I think it's a. I need one solid answer. It's a. Well, I got outvoted. So the screen to body ratio is the lie? Yes. Cut outvoted.

Guys. What? The screen to body ratio of the iPhone 12 mini is 85.1%. No. Making it higher than 85%. You want to know something even more infuriating? It's the 11. It's the 11, baby.

Guys! Guys! when would you learn to listen to me? The one before I said, I think it's the screen size and you told me no. Yeah, I didn't know about that. I know about this one. So the iPhone 11 is the one that's fully supported.

iPhone 11 is the oldest phone. Fully supported iOS 26. He did call that immediately. I did. Immediately. All right. Any hesitation. Well, David got his one right, so he can't get any other right so far.

So. No. Any hesitation. We're losing, guys. We're down. All right. Oculus Rift. Okay.

It was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo. Ugh. Used an OLED panel with an 80 hertz refresh rate. Ugh. Featured software only IPD adjustment. IPD meaning interpupillary distance. That sounds insane. How do you do that?

It's 90 hertz. Wait, can you say the three things again? Because I didn't, I thought you were still explaining the Oculus Rift. I didn't know you were doing the thing. Partnered, made it in partnership with Lenovo. Okay. uses an OLED panel that has an 80 hertz refresh rate. No, it's got me 90.

Featured. Oh, had software only IPD interpupular distance. I'm pretty sure Valve put out like a paper that said for people to not get sick, it has to be 90 or higher. That sounds familiar. I think a lot of these companies focused on 90 hertz. I want to believe David again. I've also seen some weird refresh rates on VR headsets. Yeah.

Yeah. Like 48. Really? And 96. 48? Maybe not 48. That sounds too low. That sounds too low.

But let's go with that. I gotta say this one for stipulation, I'm not as sure. Nope. Nope. We're team here, David. Because I've never seen software-only IPD ever. I've never heard of that. You mean foviated rendering?

No, when like the, when you first set up a headset and you hear the motors move the lenses to match your eyes, I've never heard of software-only IPD. I mean, I've, it's possible. that the Rift is the cheapest one. But this is the Rift. This is like, the crazy high-end one. The Rift S. Which was, I believe, the last one before I got this. Wait, A was made by Lenovo.

A was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo. Did Lenovo make this? I don't know that one at all. I don't know. Lenovo could be behind a thousand products and I would never know about it. Dang, we have no clue on this. Behind every great product is an even greater Lenovo. There's somewhere in that product is the little red mouse button.

Is it still a very? valve paper, they probably wouldn't shift their own under 90 hertz. No, but valve, yeah, but that's the, but that's the, that's valve. That's not Lenovo slash Oculus. Like Oculus might have. I feel like Lenovo did not

make the OculusS. Yeah, I go that. I don't see them in that space at all. I need confirmation. Yeah, I'll confirm, I'll go with that, but, yeah, I think it's like, because they did make the Windows VR headset, the Lenovo Windows VR

headset, but that was not OculusS. But it means they've been in that space before? This is a shot in the dark. Shot in the dark, Lenovo? Yeah. Lenovo is a lie. Oh, my God. Wow.

You guys are doing great. Oh, my God. What was it? It was an LCD panel, not an OLED panel. That was the guy. He said OLED? Should have heard OLED because that was really obvious. You guys were going so hard on everything else.

I was like they missed the most obvious. What number was that? That was B. Number two. used an OLED panel with an 80 hertz refresh rate. And I knew throwing the Hertz in there would really get you guys. When I was in Philly on Monday, I was like locked in. But I was in Philly on one day, I went to this museum type thing where everything is a mosaic.

And there's like a thing where you have to find specific things in the mosaic. And this felt like one of those things where you're staring directly at it, but you just didn't see the one thing that it asked for. and I just didn't even hear you guys say OLED. So I wasn't even thinking about it. I was thinking about everything around it. Yeah. This one should be way easier.

Okay, I'm locked in. Lock in, lock in, lock, 11. Lock in. This is a three-pointer. This category, this one's, you know how confident I am? This is an eight-pointer. Let's do it. Ready.

All right. There is a cucumber emoji. No. There is an orca emoji. There is. There is. There's a barbecue emoji. There's no cucumber.

Barbecue? Like a barbecue. Like the stand. I've seen that too. There is no cucumber. It's the cucumber. Cucumber. Cucumber.

Final answer. Cucumber. Final answer. Is it the barbecue? Yeah, there's no barbecue. It's because it's probably because Slack might have its own barbecue emoji. Also, that was sort of a trick question because the orca is not an iOS yet, but it is in Unicode. What?

Yeah. They just haven't added it to the Apple Apple keyboard. But you didn't say Apple. I didn't, which is why they're... Oh, my God, there's a cucumber. There is a... That's why... Oh, I see where you're saying.

Wow. Just if you search Orca emoji on your iPhone, it will not come up. I can't believe there's a cucumber and a pickle. Oh my God, there is a cucumber and pickle. The pickle is also not... Wait. The pickle is going to be... I don't see a pickle.

It's the same as a cucumber. I only see the cucumber. No, no, no, no. I have the answer to this. The pickle is... So right now, or the most recent, like, confirmed, approved in Unicode emoji is 17. that's not in iOS. 18 is going to get confirmed, I think, in the coming weeks,

and there is a pickle, I believe, in emoji 18. What's the difference? One is literally pickled. I want to see how they make the visual difference between that. Next, Android Honeycomb. This is on you. Famous for its hollow user interface. Yep.

Debood on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. No. Introduced recent apps for Multique. tasking. Yeah. Which one is true? Honeycomb is five. I believe it was on the Zoom.

On the tab. Yeah, the Motorola Zoom. Yeah. Agreal. Yeah. Unless it's wrong. It's not wrong. Are you locking it in?

Honeycomb is a tablet UI only. So it did not debut on the Galaxy. It was four tablets. It had to be. It didn't. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus. It was hollow. Yeah, the Galaxy Nexus is a phone.

Yeah, it was ice cream sandwich on the Nexus, 4.0. And then five was. But just to be sure, can you re-referance. But just to be sure, can you re- read the question and the possible answers. The question is Android Honeycomb. Here are the three things

about it. One, famous for its hollow user interface. Two, debuted on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Three, introduced recent apps for multitasking. It didn't date you on the Nexus. Honeycomb. Honeycomb.

Eclare, Froya, gingerbread, honeycomb. I see. Ice cream sandwich was 4.0, right? On the... I'm fairly sure that Honeycomb was famous for Hollow, it was for tablets, and it debuted on my Motorola Zoom, and it later showed up on the Asus Transformer tablet.

So I'm going with the debut on a Nexus. It's correct. Correct. Finally, they're on the board with one. We're got. That was a layup. Gosh. All right, let's do...

Let's hit it with another Mark. I guess that was all of you guys knew that. But this one's really the Marquez special. But you should all also know it, except maybe Andrew. Frilemmas. Well, no, it's because you use the other one sometimes. Because this product is, I wish I had a drum roll. I guess that's the next button I got to put.

Final Cut Pro was originally called Key Grip and developed by a company called Macromedia. Final Cut Pro was acquired by Apple. in 2001. And Marquez, this one is just for you. You can temporarily disable Final Cut Pro's signature feature the magnetic timeline by holding down the Tildy key. He's never done that before? I know.

He does it in a different crazy way. You can do that? I could be lying. Allegedly? So when I was in high school, I was using Final Cut, six, I believe. Seven, probably. And that was in 1864, right? Yeah.

I used seven. It may have made it seven by my senior year. My senior year in high school is 2008. So if 2001 was when it got acquired, that would presumably be Final Code 1. And then, so the timing kind of matches up right that. So for fact-checking the 2001 part, because I remember Apple acquired it. I remember it was KeyGrip before. Okay.

I don't remember the name of the company that developed it, which if that's the gotcha, then I'm not going to get it, but it was key grip and it was acquired by Apple. And if so if 2001 makes sense, then the things that were fact-checking are the Tilda or the name of the company

that owned it before Apple Boyd. The 2001 could be like a year off. I'll make it a little more interesting. It's not, the name of the company is not the gotcha here. I'm not saying whether it was actually called key grip or not, but we're not double tricking ya.

I was using Final Cut 7 in 2006 through 2000. I know that for sure. Okay. So. But that was already owned by Apple by then. Yeah. Yeah, it was fine.

Yeah. Final Cut Pro, I didn't get it. Actually, I don't know if it was on by Apple by then. I think it was. I just used it on a Mac. It was pretty much like the Apple thing. It was actually one of its most popular versions was seven. Yeah.

So is the got you there potentially? So that key grip turned it into Final Cup before Apple acquired it? Oh. Is that what you guys are saying? Because I just assumed when Apple acquired it, that, so it became Final Cut? Yeah, Apple... But I don't know the lore there. So did Apple acquire Final Cut, or did they acquire Key Grip?

That's not the Gretjeet either. Okay. So the Gautja is either the Tilda or... I think it's the Tilda to screw with you. There's no... There's no... It's just one of them is just a line. Could be the Tilda.

The Tilda. Maybe you can hide to... Hold down another key. Yeah, I think it's the Tilda. I don't think you can disable magnetic timeline. I think you can disable magnetism of clips, like... your playhead with the tilde, or maybe not the tilde, but you can disable and enable magnetic snapping.

Oh, yeah. But not the whole magnetic timeline. I think it is snapping. So I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with C is the actual lie. Yeah, that's true. Because I think it's snapping. What do you mean? What, and like the magnetic snapping?

You can disable magnetic snapping, but not. So the magnetic timeline is when you're dropping clips onto the timeline itself and when you shorten a clip, every single clip after it moves with it. if you don't use that and you stack above and below the magnetic timeline, you can still snap clips together instead of having to get to the exact keyframe because of the magnetic feature of the play. I got it. I got it. This one, I just have to think. We are right. You're not right. But the thing is, it's like, because it's kind of like accidentally right because. The best kind of right? So the TILA key just lets you move clips everywhere. They don't, they don't magnetize to stuff. I don't know if when you're moving stuff with the tilda key, if other stuff still snaps to it.

If you just want other stuff to not, if you just want other clips to not respond magnetically, you use the P key, which switches to the position tool. So now I'm like, you're wrong, but like you may have accidentally like stumbled on a right answer because I wasn't like specific enough. Which deals in line with OLED versus LCD. Is key grip also a lie? Now I'll give you that one just because, no, key grip is, is, is, is. true and we lied about the year it was acquired. Okay. I feel like I should give you that point just because you did get me on the

specifics. Yeah. Final Cut 7 was released in 2009 so. I, cool. You gotta cut the part where I said I was using in 2006. Wait, what the fuck? What was I using then? Six? They look exactly the same. Six and seven were exactly the same. They were just six, seven.

Who knows? Speaking of sevens, the iPhone seven. Okay. iPhone seven. Yep. Comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black, and product red, has a 32-64 and 128 gigabyte capacity. That's the lie. That's the lie. That's the Leroy-10 fusion chip.

It's there's no, sorry, there's no 128, right? 32-64. Can you re-say it, but I like David's connection. The confidence to the level of interruption there. Sorry. No, no, no, no, no. I like, if you interrupt him, I'm team David here. We're like, that's how I know.

But I'm interrupting. So the first one comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black. Can I interrupt? I don't know what we're talking about. iPhone 7. iPhone 7. All the colors were. Okay.

Rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black, and product red. Number two, has a 32, 64, or 128 gigabyte capacity. And number three, featured the A10, fusion chip. I remember the Jet Black iPhone. Wasn't that the... No, I agree. But he said Rose Gold and Gold.

Yeah. No, he was saying, oh. He said it came in Rose Gold and gold. I thought it just came in one of those. I'm just trying to remember. And then it came in black and Jet Black, I thought. The phone that had a Jet Black didn't also have a black though, right? No, I thought it did.

Really? I thought it wasn't only one of them, the like, 7 plus. I think 7 was right with the Jet Black because that thing, that was right when I started working for you. No, because the eight came out with the 10. We haven't even started discussing the fusion chip, though. We haven't even started discussing this. And we feel like it's the seven that had gold, rose gold, black, and jet black.

I don't think there was gold and rose gold. Has Apple ever released a purely gold phone? I don't think so. Yeah. What? Was there like a 5S that was gold? There was like silver and gold version? Yeah.

I thought they've always been rose gold. Silver and gold. Silver and gold. I don't know why I'm just nodding and shaking me. Yeah. I don't either. I don't know if you're screw. I think it was rose gold because it was like pink.

Rose gold's pink, right? Yeah. They never had a phone that had also gold. Was eight the rose gold that just looked like a band-aid? That? Because that was glassback, right? Yeah, eight was glass back. Seven?

What color? Well, I guess. Wait, wait, wait, was seven glass back or metal back? Seven? It was glass, right? Yeah, because the eight was the first wireless charging iPhone was the eight. So then seven was not... Seven had a jet black

glossy version but it didn't wireless charge. I remember that phone. It was like super... It got fingerprints, it had like scratches super easily, single camera, but I don't think it had wireless charging

but it was the one that was like polished. No, they added wireless charging on the 11... 8. No, the 12. Oh, wireless charging. Wireless charging. 8? Magsaf was 12.

Didn't 10 they add wireless charging? 8 and 10 came out at the same time. Yeah. in the same time. Yeah. So. What are you talking? So the Zoom.

The iPhone 7, did it have gold? That just sounds like too many colors. Rose gold. I don't think I had gold. Silver. I think it's the color. Can I make a clarification question?

Yeah. When you say seven, do you mean seven lineup or just the seven? Are you counting seven plus? On Apple's website for documentation in technical specifications, it just says iPhone 7. I don't think it came in gold.

and rose gold. I don't remember an iPhone 7 in regular gold color. I'm like wondering if one of them came in the seven and one came in the seven close. It was aluminum. aluminum. Gold. And rose.

I can picture it with the antenna bands, but maybe I'm just making that up in my head. Nah. A-10 fusion ship is that I don't think there's any way to know. Well, we're on A-10. Was A-10 in the iPhone 10? We're on A-18, right? Wait, let's go backwards. A-10 in the iPhone 7 would mean A-9 in the iPhone 6,

which would mean A-8 in the iPhone 5. Or, wait, 6-S. Well, no, no, no, we should go back from the top because we're on A-18. We're on iOS 26 right now. Shut up. A-18 on the 17. On the iPhone 17. So it would be A-16 is a-17. 15 is 16. 14 is 13. 12 is...

No, no, no. 13 is 12. iPhone 13 is 12 is A12 Yo, for any young aspiring podcast. No, it's the other way. This is not how you do it. 13. Shut up, Bella. iPhone 12 is 813.

Shut up, babe. iPhone 12 is a 13. iPhone 11 is 812. iPhone 10 slash 8 is a 11. Yeah. Slash 8 is a 11. A11. So it would be A10.

A10 fusion. Okay. Yeah, lines out. Yeah. Okay. Or did they not do the function? I hope it's the goal. thing because we said it 14 minutes ago.

Let's go with the gold. Let's go with the colors. What about the fuse? No. David was right. At the beginning, David interrupted the question and it was right. There's no 128. No, there's no 64, but it was the storage thing.

The courage of my convictions, bro. Wait, they had a 32 and a 128. And they had a gold and a rose gold and a black and a jet black. 32, 128, 256 were the storage options. They just went from 32 to 1.208 to 1.2. 128? What's even fun here? Is at the top of the page they have the gold and the rose gold right next to each other?

So you guys are like, there's no way. They never did both gold and rose gold. We're just like looking at these two phones. I forgot that they used to do like, oh, it was gold. And then if you pay the money, you can get like a route storage. Wait, that gold one's kind of nice. Was this the best lineup of colors? And it had the best camera on.

Dude, the gold is really good. And that was a good product red was the metal. Yeah, iPhone 7 was the best. Jet black was overrated though. Damn, I forgot they did black and Jet Black. Jet black sucked. But black was good. Black was there.

Damn. Okay. Guys, this one's not a trick. There's no... Okay. I'm saying that really makes it sound like it's a prayer. I was going to say,

this one's just like straight up, true or lie. Ready? The consumer product... For this one... The pause means there's a trick somewhere in here. The trick is that it's not a consumer product. It's facts about me, Ellis. Facts about Ellis.

Are you ready? Fact number one. Mm-hmm. I have owned two phones. with full cordy keyboards, physical cordy keyboards on them, two phones, over the course of my entire life.

Okay. Fact number two, I owned three iPhones before the iPhone lost the home button, meaning I had three iPhones between one and eight, right? Yeah.

Can, never mind. Yeah, no, clarify, hit it. I feel like saying three is this exact number? Is it like more than three or less? No, exact number. Exactly. If it's either three or everything else.

Same thing with the two. And get it. Last fact, I have only ever owned one phone in my entire 12-year-old life that had a T-9 dialer keypad. And you know what I mean when I say T-9-D. I mean 12 buttons arranged in a three-column four-row grid. Was it the LG Voyager?

I can't. Voyager had the touchscreen. and no, it out of touch screen. So it wasn't. So one phone with a T9 keypad, three iPhones with home buttons, two phones with full cordy keyboards. I think it's, I don't think he owned a phone with a T9 keyboard.

I think he did. I think that's the lie. Oh, yeah, you're right. Do you remember when he said he bought his first phone and it was a slider, slider phone? It was like a Yagasaki or whatever. Yes. T9 would be...

I'm sorry, a... Like a Yamaha. Mitsubishi. So if the first phone was a slider, then we're gone... I think he never owned a T-9. Yeah, I think it was the slider only. No, it was the Yamaha Kawasaki hybrid. My first phone was Korean.

It was a Samsung. Was it really? Yes. Did it have T-9? Oh, no. Andrew, you are correct. I never owned... I know nothing about tech and everything.

Everything about Ellis. It's great. As it should be. That was a six-pointer. Six-pointer, so we're, ooh, we're ahead of you guys now. I think that. No. Working nine to five.

So score. Producers five, hosts, three. Next question is about Microsoft. Number one, the first Microsoft store was in Scottsdale, Arizona. Number two, Bing is actually the rebrand of an older Microsoft search engine called Live Search. Or number three, while the Zune no longer lives, the music store where you can get files for Zune,

groove music is still up and running. Which one is it? What? One of these is false. I feel like the first store was in Santa Clara. So I can picture like the first ever Microsoft store and us all going, oh wow, it's a pretty glass store, but I don't remember where that was. I would assume it's in Washington.

Which is where the H-Q is? Yeah. The other thing I'm thinking about is I owned a Zune HD and never once used whatever he said was the name of the music store. And it would not be up and running still, right? Groove music? I remember group music.

I remember Groove music. That feels like the weird thing that we're supposed to pick. I didn't use Groove music. I used the Zoon store. I bought music from the Zoon store. I don't think it was called Groove Music. I don't know. I would think that.

I'm pretty sure there is a groove music. What was it for? music. But like for what? I mean, but for PC? Or like what would you, why would you buy it on? I think it was like an MP3 purchasing platform.

Well, because it was like old iTunes where you used to buy your songs individually. So that makes sense. And I could see it have potentially pivoting Definitely not still. I need to clarify one of the things in this because a little more nuance. The first like Microsoft store,

as we know Microsoft stores to exist, was in fact in Scottsdale, Arizona. I can confirm that. There was a prototype Microsoft store like seven or eight years before this open. That was operated by like a Sony consumer retail division in San Francisco. So it was there for like two-ish years. So technically there was a retail experience called the Microsoft store. However, what we now know as Microsoft's Microsoft Store retail thing,

Scottsdale Arizona is still factually correct there. So now you got a 50-50 chance. Yeah, we have a 50-50 chance. No, no, I, I, oh, fuck. All right. So probably the, I don't think groove is still up and running. Unless they pivoted to a streaming service, but I doubt it because who would.

I don't know what Bing came from. I feel like it has to be the, the groove is the thing Adam wants us to pick. Because it feels so obviously not. Does it help? to say that I did not write this question. No. Microsoft calling something live feels really on brand. It does.

Which could be, is it too on brand? Name one thing they called live. Live translation. Come on. It's right in front of you. Come on, you got this. I know it's there. Yo, later tonight, we'll play some Halo and hop on.

Oh, Xbox Live. Also, live. Live translation. And, uh, I don't. Is it? Windows Live. Live. What was the name of the search engine you're saying?

Live search. Live search. Yeah. That live search. It feels like something. I can picture the blue in the logo. Live search, I don't, I know it's real. I've heard of it, though. I've heard of it, but I don't know if it was Microsoft.

If I was making up a fake early generation, like, internet search engine name, especially from Microsoft. I would call it live search because I'm searching the internet live. It makes more sense than ask Jeeves, but. I know. We all remember that instead. Bing? I don't remember a time before Bing.

Maybe I'm too young. Whoa. I really don't remember a time before Bing. Jesus would be a great LLM at this point. Did you have a time base in there or did you just say it was before Bing? Damn, I can't remember pre-B. There's like B-C. P-B and A-B.

Yeah, I'm exclusively a post-Bing tech person. We just live in the post-Bing world. I think I have to choose the Zoon one. I'll go with music. I don't believe either of them somehow. Or I do, yeah, I don't know. I remember group of music, I don't. If they're still operating, they pivoted.

So let's go with that. Yeah, what's the answer? I need you guys to. Well, they just said they're still operating, right? Yeah. So it's probably the other one. So you think it's the search? I'll go with search.

I'm thinking it search. Okay. I'll go with that. So, God, guys. That group music is not operating anymore. No. You guys had a 50-50 chance. We gave you that one.

What's funny is if you didn't say the other thing I probably would have argued that we should pick Scottsdale? All right. Well, this next one you guys need to get because two out of three of you have lived in this state your entire life. Oh, boy. Okay. Guys, that's right. This final category, this final consumer product is the great state of New Jersey. Well, I'm going to get this wrong.

You got to the top half of New Jersey. First fact. The first baseball game ever recorded as being played was played in Hoboken, New Jersey. The first baseball game ever? The first baseball game that is like recorded and we have the score and what happens. It's so funny thing of Hoboken now, but like baseball has been around for a very long time. And in true New Jersey sports fashion, both of the teams were named for New York City. It was the New York.

Nickerbockers versus the New York Nine. Guys, second New Jersey fact. New Jersey has a spoon museum in Patterson. This spoon museum has over 5,600 spoons. I can see that.

Species of spoons. Watch, the technicality is 5599. Third New Jersey fact, New Jersey's very own, Atlantic City is the basis for property names in the popular board game, Monopoly. That's true.

I knew that. Shoots and laughs. You guys remember candy land? Hell yeah, bro. You've never been to the gumdrop forest in New Jersey. Not the gumdrop forest. Where valleys is. Okay.

The Spoons one, I have no idea. I've never heard of it. But it wouldn't shock me. So that's where I'm at with that one. The Monopoly one, I know that that is true. And I believe there's no gotchas in there. That sounds correct. Yeah.

So the first one is the first ever baseball game recorded was in Hoboken. It's called Hoboken at the time. The first ever baseball game is so long ago. Yeah. It's so long ago. Hoboken was, I mean, Hoboken, okay, to be fair, Stevens was founded in like the 1870s, but baseball is older than that, right? What came first, baseball are Hoboken?

How old is the first baseball game? Yeah, when did the Louisiana purchase happen? Hold on. Hold on. The first baseball game ever recorded? What year could that be? 1894. BB before being... 1846.

Damn. So Stevens was founded in Hoboken in 1876. I guess it's possible that there was a Hoboken in 1840 something. Wow. It's probably called like New York Extension at that point. New York across the river. New York. Oh, was that part of it that they're called New York Nines and New York Knickerbockers?

Probably. I have no idea. So probably wasn't part of the actual question. That was just more context. The Hoboken thing? No, the names of the New York teams. I can't believe you haven't commented on anything that this was technically a Knicks game. Yeah, Knickerbockers is funny.

New Jersey Knicks. They had Jalen Brunson. I don't know. The Patterson's Spoon Museum. I have like, no. Might as well be the spoon museum. I have no idea. I know very little.

I bet it wasn't called Hoboken. That's my guess. I kind of think. It's a fork museum instead. I kind of think the spoon museum. I have no opinion. The spoon museum seems like one that we would skip over and just assume it's true. And I think that's what makes it a good lie.

Can I suggest that maybe we make this worth four points? So either you win or you lose on this. All right, all right, that's fine. It changes my confidence in this question. We were going to just guess anyway. And your guess is. Spoon Museum. Spoon Museum is correct.

Not just David was correct again. The Spoon Museum only has 5,400 spoons, not the aforementioned 5,600. Wait, so the lie is not that there's a spoon museum. No, there is a spoon museum in Patterson. It just doesn't have quite as many spoons. I was actually right. Oh, my God. I thought there was a fork museum.

No, no. Earlier in the episode, I said, I said, watch the technicality is going to be that it has 5599. So they have, they say over 5,400. So not the over 5,600, I said. Which means you guys with your four points have taken it to seven points, meaning you guys beat the hosts. Can you play the, can you play the, we're all with extravaganza music?

David, I would take us to trivia. However, I heard because you told me 30 seconds ago that we have. Breaking news. Breaking news. This is WFRM. We're coming at you with some breaking news here. Finally, we're not late on a topic. We talked about Ring earlier and how Ring is going to not use Flock for its search party feature.

It's kind of not going forward with it. Now there is a new report from 4-4 Media that just dropped that has some leaked emails from the CEO of Ring, where he says, this is by far the most interesting. that we have ever launched in the history of ring. And it is not only the quality, but quantity. I believe that the foundation we created with Search Party, first for finding dogs, will end up becoming one of the most important pieces of tech

and innovation to truly unlock the impact of our mission. You can now see a future where we are able to zero out crime in neighborhoods. So many things to do when we get there, but for the first time ever, we have the chance to fully complete what we started. That was the ring CEO, not the Palantir CEO? Yeah, it was the ring CEO. Oh, okay.

So, you know, they're like, dogs only, dogs only, dogs only. Unless. Unless. We are so lucky, man. Like, ring guy is going to, like, make crime zero. Sam Altman is going to make cancer zero. Elon is going to make poverty zero. Like, these guys just are so good.

They're so good at making things. Thanks, boys. You know, sometimes there's a little bit too much skepticism, but I think that we have the purpose. perfect amount at this moment. Well, you know what? You should have more skepticism about my trivia questions. Because so often they require corrections.

Oh my God, we haven't played trivia yet. No. But we're about to do it now. And then we're going to do another game in the next episode. Surprise. We're playing games, boy. I got games, boy. Quick update on to score.

Marquez with 14. Still. Still. And still. And still. David with 16. Andrew with 17. Carrying the one.

How long have I had 17 for it? I don't think I have a point in the new year. No, you have a point in the new year. It's just... I don't have a point since Marquez complained about not having a point in the new year. You think you haven't gotten a point in like eight episodes? Since whenever Marquez whined about it? He cursed you.

He did curse me. It's like you're the Philadelphia 76ers and Marquez is Jared McCain getting traded away. Yeah. God bless, Jordan. Anyway, we spoke about the Pixel 10A, but the first A series pixel was the 3A. Which giant manufacturer made it? And I mean like the company that actually manufactured it, not the one that designed it because we all know Google designed it. Oh.

There's your hint, Andrew. BBK. Who's that? Blues musician. I don't think they existed anymore. Flip him and read. What do you got? What'd you say?

I hope I'm right. I said HTC. David, what'd you say? I said HG. Right. Wrong. Andrew, what did you say? LG. Also wrong.

It was Foxcon. Really? Yeah, you guys looking it up before it confused you. Well, that's a bummer. I definitely thought you guys were going to get that one. I was trying to throw you a bone. Now you're stuck with Ellis's crazy question. You thought Foxconn was throwing us a bone?

They make most of the phones in the world. Yeah, yeah. They made every phone. Actually. I thought they did. Okay. Well. Question number two, guys,

Ring was not always called ring. Before they were ring, they were called. A, Doorbot. B. Campbell. C. Stoop watcher. Also, I should have said Stoop Watcher does not have an E.

It's just Stoop Watcher. With an R. Yeah, because this is like a real. That does sound really. Yeah. I mean, it depends where they were headquartered. Sesame Street. Is that a real place?

Sesame Street? Yeah. Yeah, it's an Atlantic City with the rest of the monopoly properties. Right next to the gumdrop floor. It's right into the gumdrop for. It's in New York City. Is it you're a taco about? Just read.

Campbell. Okay, what? What? And we all put something different. No, Marquez and I put the same thing. Andrew and I put B. Cambelt, like the soup. Yeah. I wanted that to be right so bad.

I put C, Stoop Watcher. No, it was called DoorBot. You guys are on one today. Doorbought is a what? It's a horrible name. This makes it easy for me because I don't have to update the score graphics. It's the same graphic for like six weeks. He thought it was called Cambell.

Instant cease and desist. You guys are getting good at when we ask questions. to like answer the questions on the fake things really believably. Honestly, when Ellis said with an R, I should have known it wasn't that one. Well, we tried. Do we're bot? I think like most of this podcast was just, it's Adam and I not telling the truth. And us like floundering and failing.

Yeah, it's bot? Yeah. What makes it a bot? I don't know. It just seems like a cool thing to say. But yeah, thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. if you are still hyping or able to.

We appreciate that. Thanks for liking and thanks for rating us on whatever podcast app you choose. We'll be back with you next week. And that'll be what, Samsung event first? Yeah. See you soon after the Samsung event. And then the other event and then the other event after that. Where nothing new will be announced.

No, something from nothing will be new. No, that's the next week. Okay. So nothing new will be announced from anyone including nothing. New nothing is in two weeks. nothing new is next week. Amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, perfect.

Wait, form was produced by Adam Alina and Elisorovin. I had that sounds so weird. You're doing great, sweetie. Wait, form was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovon, and partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our introprudgeon music, was created by Vain Still. Bingo! That's good.

This is all pure speculation. I'm not holding any of them in my pockets right now. By the way, these are facts. These are facts. No?