Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - WTF Happened in 2024? - Waveform Rewind

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about the Google XR headset, Nintendo Switch 2 rumors, and even Bluesky verification before getting into some AI videos that Marques got using Google Veo 2. After that, we take a look back at some of our predictions from last year to see if anyone got it right before making some predictions for what we think is going to happen in 2025. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia in the end. Enjoy! Links: Google XR announcement Flipboard Surf Verge - The Nintendo Switch 2 and its dock dbrand Switch 2 Voxon Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Find the unforgettable at AutographCollection.com. All of the like AI big stuff is just going to like your expectations need to lower. And then that'll be where it's at in your phone it'll be like r.i.p google assistant um pour one out yo what's good people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david we're all currently wearing ugly christmas sweaters and this is also our last episode of the year happy holidays happy new year yes it means we're taking two weeks off it also means that this is the first weeks that we are taking off in five years of weekly episodes

of this podcast. It hasn't all been weekly, but these are the first two scheduled episodes we're missing. Which is, you know, it's fun to actually take a little time off. We're going to enjoy that a little bit. And I hope you guys do too. But this is the last episode of the year, which means we have all sorts of end of the year stuff to talk about,

which is great. And we also have some late 2024, but also early 2025 news we can just jump right into it we have let's jump in the new the news first then we'll get into kind of our like waveform rewind for 2024 okay so 2025 january what usually happens we get a samsung event we usually get the galaxy s flagships the s S Ultra and the S Plus and the S. It's going to happen again. Shocker. I mean, CES is the other thing, and that's also going to happen again.

Cool. So January 22nd is the leaked date for Unpacked for when we are expecting not just the Galaxy S series, but also potentially some version of maybe a preview of this XR headset they've been working on. Yeah. There was this preview that they gave a few people. Yeah. So it's not on video, but they allowed some people to check it out, test it, use it for

a few minutes and then write about it and or make videos describing it. So there's no videos of this, but there are lots of descriptions of it floating around. Did we even talk about that headset last week? I don't really know. Okay, so for those that don't know, this is Samsung's Project Moohan XR headset. That won't be the final name. No. Do you know what that means?

It's like Moodang. Infinity in Korean, I believe. Bar. Interesting. It's the introduction of Android XRr which is google saying oh my god oh my god oh my god to vision pro vision os uh which knows whether or not that actually plays out who knows whether they should be saying oh my god oh my god vision pro is another yeah the the samsung headset looks a lot like a vision pro though that's what we've heard yeah again we

haven't seen it there's photos but it's just well yeah i have not seen officially released photos i thought those are renders based on descriptions i don't think so i think oh wait that's it i probably saw this and just thought yeah oh okay that's actually it yeah okay so yeah people were saying it was heavily inspired by vision pro i think the reason you see that is because most headsets don't have glass on the outside and this one does i don't know if there's any display facing outwards probably not but it looks like a vision pro because the vision pro is the only other one that has glass on the outside yeah um it's similar like colors plastic on the outside of like the quest but i think that's a distinguishing feature otherwise yeah pretty similar pretty clean design looks fine the ui looks very similar to vision pro so it's but

with like kind of a little googly take with more round corners and stuff like that um less translucent stuff so interesting i feel like every like five or six years we get an xr uh push i remember i'm old enough to remember back in 2015 when microsoft thought that xr was going to be the next big thing and lenovo and hp and dell and compact all made headsets for like windows 3d paint and stuff like that the good stuff quickly uh got rid of that so this one's for real this time final final dot export this one ship this one dot pdf december 18th dot jpeg yeah uh yeah so we'll probably hear more about that and hopefully a little bit more of google's detailed plans for android xr considering now samsung events are kind of google events and google events are kind of samsung events yeah there's something to that when when this has

unveiled previewed at unpacked on january 22nd do we think there's going to be a significant portion or do we think this is of the event or is this going to be the um galaxy home end of the thing and then never see it again it depends if they're actually planning on releasing this but i guess they were also planning on releasing the galaxy home and then never did but they do have the home mini in korea or they don't talk about that they did yeah we don't all i want for christmas all i want for christmas is the original galaxy home yeah i think if they're saying it's going to be a 2025 launch then this is a preview to get people hyped about it coming out in a few months maybe something like

that i could see that that'd be cool yeah but the thing we definitely want the most out of this event is g2 so which i read something g2 g2 not on the headset where yes slap your head no on the phones so i read something i don't remember exactly who i read it from but remember was it last week or the week before we said that like i think ice universe said that there was going to be chi 2 on it but it was based off of a tweet someone else put and we said based on how they're properly naming chi 2 it should have the magnets right i read a tweet recently that's saying it has chi 2 but not the magnets so that's like the chi 2 the guy from the wireless power

consortium said you cannot call it chi 2 without the magnet it's i think that's going to turn out to not be true well i think companies are going to call things chi 2 without the magnet i feel like i should just reach out to them again if they call it chi 2 and don't put the chi 2 branding on it it seems like that's what we were at right the guy from the branding on it it seems like that's what we were at right the guy from the the guy was saying that if it has the chi 2 branding it has to be the magnet protocol right maybe companies are just saying it's like the they're gonna say it's chi 2 compatible oh they're gonna say they're gonna have a slide and then it's gonna have a little bullet okay but also samsung has a history of being like one of the first ones to use a more expensive protocol or product, right?

Because they introduced the in-screen fingerprint reader with ultrasonic. They were the first ones to do that, in the US at least, in a phone with the Galaxy S10. And nobody else used that for a very long time. Yeah. So maybe they'd be willing to spend the extra money to license it for g2 officially yeah i i would love it i mean i the magnet part is what is exciting well think about this they can sell more they can sell more expensive first-party chargers that way too yeah so apparently this is from chun vn 8888 saying that it won't be proper

g2 support explaining that they're without the magnets essentially so take that as you will the original report was us completely speculating on it anyways all right well let's let's make our first prediction of 2025 right here okay will the s25 have chi to with magnets yes no i'm gonna say yes but that is the most optimistic yes i could possibly have out there what about you two nay wow okay tiebreaker i i have no i have no idea i don't know how am i supposed to know well that's a prediction yes it's gonna be a shot in the dark. Okay. Say maybe. Yes. Okay. Hey. I heard it here first.

The S25 will have magnets. It's official. Wait, why would it not have magnets? No one's done it yet. Because nobody is. No. Well. What's that phone?

Technically, the HMD Skyline did it. That sounds like a good car. It's the only phone to have G2, but it's a very bad phone overall. But it's repairable. It is repairable. And it's not a track car. That's true. Apparently, the magnets in that phone are really weak.

Oh, no. It barely sticks to a lot of... Can't you just get a sticker? Yes. It's hard to do with cases and stuff like that. And people who want their phone without a case, that's... No case. But it stinks holding that.

I've had it before on my Zen phone. It's annoying to just have this protruding on the back. What's worse? No magnets or weak magnets? What's worse? Weak magnets. Because I'd rather just put a magnet case. What's worse, no Wi-Fi or weak Wi-Fi?

Yeah, I think it's the same question. Well, you still pay for it on the plane, don't you? Unfortunately, yes. I put myself through that torture and I know it's the same question. You still pay for it on the plane, don't you? Unfortunately, yes. I put myself through that torture and I know it's going to suck every time and I pay the $8 anyway. What's worse, weak Wi-Fi or having $8? Give me the Wi-Fi.

Give me the Wi-Fi. We're going to see probably S25, S25 Ultra, S25 Plus. With S25 Ultra being the successor to the phone of the year it could get even better with the snapdragon 8 elite probably with a bigger battery probably with an improved display like this is probably going to be a really good phone again that's a super cold take well hopefully they don't they don't pull an s20 ultra again and just make it yeah remember that what a bummer that was bad can i throw one more thing in here about the unpacked event yeah

last year samsung impact was january 17th this year it's the 22nd every year it feels like we've moved back and back and back to the point where i was like when are we getting the december samsung event i'd prefer can we get this back in february for some reason february felt nice of like let's just chill in january with samsung's month it did like that's yeah i don't know sony also did something in february well yeah but then it released in november yeah they would announce the phone and then they just go silent for six months thank you samsung give us a some breathing room in the new year so we can appreciate the last year,

make our steps forward, and then start reporting. And let Dua Lipa interview Tim Cook? In the little stall we walk? The schedule is always new year, everyone gets back, immediately CES, go get sick, come back, and then you have a break. And it's like Samsung in pinched into that more and more yeah they're like nah like yeah no go straight from ces okay so some additional news

that was going that is going to happen in 2025 we have alleged uh renders of the actual switch to nintendo switch to nintendo switch to nintendo switch to thank you algorithm um is that for Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. Thank you, algorithm. Is that for the transcript to just max SEO? Courtesy of dbrand. So Adam at dbrand says that he has official dimensions and so he built out some

It was like a 3D render that The Verge put. It is a 3D render with the case that dbrand would be making on it's translucent so you can kind of see through it's a very funny render i'm surprised dbrand's doing this and i'm also not surprised dbrand's doing this it's it's like one of those things dbrand seems to like to poke the big console bear i always thought that the way these things worked were that they were just under nda but it seems like they just have access to things that they don't have to sign NDAs for.

I don't know. We don't ask dbrand how they get access to things. That's true. You know, I'll put it this way. When you are an official accessory supporter, you get to see things ahead of time. Yeah, but like, you're not supposed to. That's bold. That's bold. That's for sure bold. It's a good point, though,

because accessory makers don't just get, you know, like package widths of like height, length. Yeah, exactly. They know exactly. Everything has to fit perfectly. They know like perfectly what a thing is going to look like, essentially. Maybe not. They don't know the the specs it because that doesn't matter but like every accessory manufacturer you know knows what all of these devices are way ahead that's how they have their

case on the shelf when it's announced when it's launched yeah so uh the additions to the switch two seem to be that it's quite a bit bigger than the last switch uh there's an additional button on one of the joy cons which is very interesting and on the joy oh oh sorry sorry i'm thinking the stick yeah yeah below the the home button okay uh and then there's also an additional usbc part on the top thank god oh oh yeah the biggest issue prior was like they assumed that you're going to charge it while docked, but a whole nother thing was that you could play it with the kickstand open and the Joy-Cons in your hand.

But the problem with that is if it was low battery or dead, you had to like MacGyver a USB-C cable underneath it. And it was just horrible. So bad. It was a huge design flaw. Yeah, very massive design flaw. They did say that they were going to officially announce the Switch 2 before April 2025. Nintendo said that.

So, earlier this year. So, we're hoping that we get something in the next four months or so. March 31st. Yeah. And I imagine it'll come out holiday 2025. April 1st. Yeah. That is cool. Yeah. So, yeah. just it mostly looks bigger it will probably be faster it will probably have stuff the case looks sweet too nintendo switch to

low profile also we're partnered with dbrand so take that with a grain of salt but yeah it looks like a sweet case nintendo switch to n 2. Okay, we can move on now. Last little bit of stuff that I wanted to just slide in here because it's the very end of the year. Some Fediverse news. Do it. Thank you, Ellis. Some Fediverse news. Some Fediverse news.

What's going on in the Fediverse? It's more fun than the WordPress drama for me to talk about. Some people would disagree with that's true that's true okay um so some stuff was happening last week with blue sky where people were basically parking on domain names because if you remember blue sky's way of like verifying accounts was that if you owned your domain you could change your handle to that domain and that was like a way for people to be like, this is the real me. The problem is they got a lot of normal people on blue sky.

And that's a very engineering mind focused way to verify people because most people do not own their own domain. Right. So apparently people had been, uh, parking on domains of like famous authors and other people that weren't like League of Legos. That's not owned by anybody but me. It's League of Flegos. Yeah, Flegos, man.

Oh, Flegos. And so they're actively working on figuring out another way to do verification. I still think it's cool that they're allowing you to, you know, set your domain as your handle. But I think that they're going to need to figure out. I think you should need to have a personal video call with the creator of Blue Sky in order to get verified. Shouldn't have any issues at all. It's a little shout out to T2. That's what T2 was doing.

You had to schedule a call with them and then they would verify you actually uh-huh wow in their defense i don't think they had anything in place at the time so this was what they were new yeah there was like there was a lot of if i was that executive my entire job would be figuring out how to stop doing these calls like i need to figure out a way to verify people yeah wow okay so that happened i guess yeah so so blue sky has mentioned that they are actively looking into ways to verify people they are also actively looking into a potential subs like twitter blue kind of thing for blue sky which i would we're going very quickly into i i don't know some of the things they had talked

about doing with a with a paid system is that you get to MySpace-ify your profile. I think that's sick. Does that mean put music on it and pick a top eight? Maybe. Then I'll pay eight bucks. I mean, that'd be dope. Yeah, I just want to say there was already a way to verify yourself on social media, which was this app a while ago called Keybase, where you can use PGP to put like put public private keys on all of your public

profiles and it would verify you and then Zoom bought them and everyone like lost trust in it and it died but that was a solution that I wish would come up everyone could just make their profile picture their driver's license their whole driver's license and then I would take it and then I would make it my profile

photo okay some other Fediverse news we talked a little bit in the, some other Fediverse news. We talked a little bit in the, what is the Fediverse episode about this thing called Bridgy Fed, which is a bridge that bridges the Fed activity pub and the AT protocol.

Oh, yeah. And allows threads posts to show up on blue sky effectively it sort of creates like a like a fake version of the threads account on blue sky and then it just cross posts for it so that you can follow someone's sort of like faux threads account through blue sky because they are using different protocols anyway that was a thing okay it got very popular they're building it out but now they've decided they're going to start a whole foundation to just bridge all of these different protocols together because we're in this weird space where like activity pub was originally supposed to be this like end all bl

protocol that everyone used, but that's just not how protocols work. Nobody ever just decides on a protocol. Nobody agrees. There's a famous ex-KCD comic about this. So now they are starting a foundation in which they are just going to keep bridging all the new social media protocols that pop up and work with the platforms to make sure that it is like more natural one protocol to rule them all it really feels like another protocol

yeah i feel like and i don't know if we said this in like the fediverse long form but everyone wants it to be open and for everyone, but then everyone wants to create that thing that does it. Indeed. Does that make sense? Which makes me feel like there's not a lot of paths forward in this. If everyone's going to fight over who gets to be the one that. Most of the people are not fighting anymore. Most of the people that,

well, except for meta, they'll fight tooth and nail to make sure that threads is the only thing. But, uh, most of the people that are starting the smaller platforms with their own protocols, which I agree, they should just make one that they like.

They're not fighting as much because they just want the open social web to exist. Anyway, there's now a foundation. It is their goal to build this out. That's good. It's good to have foundations last little bit of news um the people who started flipboard which is a very old uh app that used

to be pre-installed on samsung phones way back in the day i was a user oh yeah yeah i use flipboard it is a news aggregator reader app we had uh their CEO, Mike McHugh, on for the Fediverse episode. They have just launched, actually, as of recording today, a Fediverse browser, which allows you to basically, like, have all of these sources, whether it be threads accounts, blue sky accounts, podcasts, YouTube channels, because podcasts and YouTube channels are both RSS based. channels because podcasts and youtube channels are both rss based and create your own like packs of uh like news feeds that you can use to just like read different topics and so you could create your own pack which i could then follow and i could add your pack to my all my friends packs pack and then it would just be a giant news aggregator so it's all that's all federated as well so speaking of packs i'm gonna throw one really quick thing in here pokemon yes oh boy three of us in here play pokemon the card game okay the new expansion came out adam yeah i message

everyone in our office that plays it the other day i'm like yo let's, let's open packs together. I'm not going to get into that argument. Cause that was some big drama at the MKBHD studio where everyone stabbed me in the back. But Adam just that morning goes, I got this. Is this cool? And it's a gold Mew EX. It's like the rarest thing you can pull in the new expansion pack and just

stunts on all of us. And then David and I proceed to pull absolute garbage. I've gotten nothing good. This is just random, right? It's a slot machine. They have percentages of what the probability is that you're going to get a certain card. Do you trade the cards?

Not yet. You will. Next year. What blockchain is all of this registered on? It's on uh solana 4 crypto edition that's the one that fart coin is on right uh yeah yeah yeah wait isn't that real yeah i think that came out like last week i think right and it just reached like a 900 million okay we are not you people are animals i feel like talking about this even yeah talking about this is not financial i'm so sorry anyways adam's very lucky he pulled like a 0.2 percent pull sounds skill um

for it is what it is skill based um but to all you new expansion cards on my side all you new expansion enjoyers good luck this holiday season with your pack pool did you also notice that a lot of the cars cards are have a small Mew somewhere in the photo? I did not notice that. Yeah, a lot of the Pokemon art will have a Mew diving into the lake or something in the background. I've been too mad at how unlucky I've been. Okay, cool. Cool.

Marques, you have a really cool thing to share with us. I've prepared something to show you all. Cool. Marques, you have a really cool thing to share. I've prepared something to show you all. Audio listeners, I think you should probably watch the video version just for this segment. Just for this segment. We'll do our best to describe it. Sure, we'll attempt, of course.

But pull over and open your phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely pull over first. So Google, kind of out of the blue, announced their AI video generation model. Vio, Vio 2, is suddenly out. And it, okay, so Sundar Pichai posted this announcement with like four videos. And we know it's going to be like handcrafted, generated videos. Is that what it's called, Vio?

Yeah, more or less. They're super creative over there. It comes out, we get these four hand-selected videos, and each one of those videos, in my opinion, is better than everything that I've seen from Sora. And we just reviewed Sora

like a week ago. We're like, guys, this is the worst that tech is going to be from here on out. It's getting really good at a lot of things. It's still, you know, remember we talked about this, not great at physics, not great at certain things. Vio seems getting really good at a lot of things. It's still, you know, you remember we talked about this, not great at physics, not great at certain things. Veo seems like it's really good at that stuff too. These videos that people are generating and I got access to it

and I started playing with it, actually have, and people have done sub-biased comparisons, real working physics. Things look like they move correctly and they seem to have object permanence and things overlap and move around each other and don't disappear and glitch out and look weird and that is another huge step in whatever direction you think it is so what i did was

yeah what i did was i asked you guys in slack give me a couple prompts and david you have access to it too so i know you've played with it but i asked everybody else give me a couple prompts of things you want to see me put in this new one vo and we can look at them and see your reactions because you guys have now seen a whole bunch of sora generated videos you know kind of what to expect what looks real what doesn't and so i've generated them and there you can't change the resolution this is still very early very limited access there is uh it's like a small couple seconds. Each video is like two megabytes. But I have them for you.

Can you pay extra to remove the watermark? At this point, no. Garbage. So at this point, it is very much not as productized as OpenAI's Sora is. But I think Google saw Sora's announcement and went, all right, we got to get our thing at least off the ground and out. So I have a box and a prompt generator. I can make stuff now.

And I think they'll have more features coming soon. Now, just to give you guys a peek in these guys' heads, these are the prompts that they gave me before you see the video. You should say the prompt first so the audience can guess who said it. Okay, so I won't tell you who gave this prompt. But here's the first prompt. Okay. A humanoid sponge living inside a pineapple at the

bottom of the ocean with his best friend who is a starfish i'm just gonna drop finding nemo there i'm just gonna drop that video in the slack it is oh my god check this out holy crap so this video maybe uh david you can describe what you're seeing. Sponge Bill box trousers. This is literally SpongeBob SquarePants with very nice eyelashes. Yeah. And his pineapple house is upside down for some reason. And then his starfish looks more like a pet starfish versus Patrick Star.

It's literally just SpongeBob. With no fingers. There's like maybe a couple very very slightly different like facial things the pineapple's upside down cake it's under the sea i don't know why it's upside down but it is there and you know this is a cartoon style but so you know it's not like a perfect photorealistic thing, but the bubbles are rising. The bubbles overlap things in the background. The water physics look kind of solid. The lighting is all cartoonishly good. It's like if SpongeBob was made in the bluey.

Oh my God, that's exactly what this is. It feels more like drawn animation where it's a very set background, but the things in the foreground are moving a little bit and way more clear than the stuff in the background. But the character even has the same exact outfit as Black Moth. Yeah, he's got the same working attire. This right from the beginning has me thinking,

what does the Google thing get trained on that Sora's doesn't? Because this is very different from what Sora would. If you posted this, Paramount would have some issues. I'm thinking low-key, even on the YouTube video, we might have an issue. This is very similar. It's very similar. Yeah.

It has the two teeth. So what's funny is I posted on Twitter a couple videos when I was talking about Sora, and I posted some of them that were kind of in this cartoon style. The artist community got very mad. They were not happy that I thought this was a decent animation. I'm curious what they think of this one.

I think there's a difference between we thinking it's impressive for AI thing, and then artists are clearly at times better than this. The bar, yeah. Exactly, the bar is in totally different places. But I understand the frustration. Yeah, it is crazy.

All right. The fact that you didn't type spongebob though and it literally made exactly spongebob is yeah i don't know we have seen spongebob it's worse than the plant the tech reviewer plant there's like a weird tension now between like trying to uh look at something and say this is where the technology is and also not necessarily advocating for it to exist. It's shining a spotlight on it. Sort of. It's complicated, right? Doing journalism about anything

or talking about anything is hard because you're technically giving it a platform. Everything you do is platforming. Yeah. That's where you're going to say something? I had the most minor criticism of this ever which is that the water ripples are really nice in the with the bubble oh in the top in the top but they are not reflecting caustics upon the sand floor uh yes right how dare they frankly gross a human what uh uh do you mean like the frankly, gross. Trash. A human would have...

Do you mean like the thing on the sand? Yeah, the shimmering. When you look down at a pool and you see that sort of wavy grid, that's called caustics. Alright, well, spoiler, that was an Adam prompt. No way.

Thanks, Adam. This was Adam's next prompt. Keep in mind ellis was a cartoon style this one is very much not photorealistic a smartphone reviewer talking about the latest product release sitting in front of his desk while talking to the camera explaining what they like about the phone with a plant oh you'll see a plant don't worry it's like a motorola phone mixed with this it's got a very okay so table person sitting at table phone sitting up in front of them it looks like a mix between

a motorola and a sony and a samsung i don't really know that is really photorealistic though this guy has 60k subs like i i would he's wearing an apple watch 100 an apple watch he's got like the very prominent like lamp and plant in the background. It looks like a nice fiddle-y fig back there. Let's check out his lav mic placement. Pretty good. I was checking that out. He has the window reflection on the back wall.

He's got the Brandon. That's literally a Galaxy A22. The same phone. This is really good. Even of his fingers, right up until the very end he grows a couple extra fingers. Most of the hand movements as he gets occluded by the phone

are pretty reasonable. They're all physically accurate. His eyebrows go up and down. Bro, look at his fabric of his shirt on his left sleeve. That's crazy. It like folds with his arm all of these decisions from the plant to the light to the color of the shirt to the way the guy looks and the phone and the watch and the lav are all just generated that's all just things that i

thought would make sense for this prompt the way i know that this isn't real is because he's using a apple watch with a galaxy a22 you still review. It's a reviewer. Yeah, Marquez does that. You can use two phones. This guy could be a two-phone guy. Two phones over here. The phone does... I guess you could stand a phone up like that. It feels like weird placement. I used to do that. Not in my video. Just like right in front of you.

Not in my video. Oh, yeah, in the video. It feels more natural if he was holding it, but I wonder if that's a liberty they took of like, that would maybe not look as good. The set is not bad. I really like the set aesthetic. Just like a lamp, a plant, and a desk.

Something I've started noticing about these, the shadows are mostly pretty good. Yeah, which isn't always true about AI-generated videos. One more prompt from Adam. A jaguar car driving off of a ramp and flying away into the clouds with new york city skyline in the background i just want to say i'm pretty good at prompting not to toot my own horn wait before i've even hit play yeah do you

know those like do you know when you're um like watching tiktok and it has to have the like attention span killing thing underneath your ramp, and it's the car that's on the ramp that just goes like, and slowly gets out of control, that's what this looks like. What? What are you talking about?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know in TikTok, they do the cutting? You're exposing yourself to brain rot. Oh, yeah. I am full brain rot. They're either cutting squand, or they're like-

Squand? Squand is that like sand that kind of gets wet and like sticks together in different colors they're either cutting that or they're like subway surfers it's all the attention span uh brain rot things one of them is there's this game where a car is going down this big ramp but there's like series of gaps so it slowly just starts like bouncing and bouncing and skidding and like flipping. And you gotta watch it. And it's underneath like a podcast clip.

So you can not to go off the podcast. We should start it. Honestly, Waveform would be at 10 million subscribers if we started doing that. Anyways. Okay. So anyway, yeah, this is a very realistic looking Jaguar. The ramp ends, it floods off.

It's definitely Manhattan in the background. You can see some recognizable buildings, and it's clearly a peninsula, but also it just kind of flies horizontally, and the wheels stop. I would argue it doesn't ramp. It just goes off of the platform. And it just goes straight.

And it stays perfect. Yeah. It doesn't drop. The wheels also stop completely at some point yeah because he's flying this one you can tell is ai um well but it is much i don't think sora would have been this yeah it's also that's an exact car right like it's not like a google jaguar e-type i would argue the thing sora might do better is is I bet it would have started falling in Sora. Wow.

It's like just the E-Type. It's just the E-Type. Even with the curves, yeah. It even got the rims right. Yeah. I cannot tell just straight up that this is AI. I would think that this would be some bad special effects. Adam, it's flying off a floating platform.

Yeah, but if you're watching like a college film okay how I can tell it is bad CGI the wheels are going from full speed and then they just stop there's no like ramp down of it that would be the it could be a bad animation I guess it looks like a blender animation

or they got an ABS delete I don't know what does that mean uh in the comments they'll answer don't explain it fine okay cars have this thing called anti-lock brakes that when you slam on the brakes as hard as you can the wheels will slowly come to a stop so you don't start skidding but the joke is is that they took that out so you can just lock the wheels up instantly oh calipers go quicker okay let's uh so i think those are also as we've seen probably better than what we've seen from sora agree um andrew gave me one prompt but i did run it several times and get several videos okay yeah i'm so interested in what this did because I gave it a pretty...

There's different paths it could take. And I got several different answers. Okay, cool. Andrew's prompt was, the New Jersey Devils winning the Stanley Cup. This might be the only way I see it. So this is how you know it's AI generated, right? Is this going to be actual Devils?

No. Whoa, okay. Wow, it is. This is video number one. Whoa. So the New Jersey Devils are a copyrighted, licensed thing. Is that their logo? Yeah, that's their logo.

It's extremely close. Yeah, it is very much recognizable as a New Jersey Devils logo. They tried to put a Stanley Cup in the middle, confetti falling from the ceiling. In confetti ways it kind of disappears a little bit and you can tell it's not real but a bunch of devil's players in the background not real people but wearing devil's jerseys jumping up and down celebrating i feel like if you put that clip in a live like broadcast after they actually won i don't think people would or like or like uh part opacity over it with like the like

msg network coming up next like it probably but i will say this feels super the super ai generated the stanley cup is really off it's like identical it's big and then small and then big rather than it's normal like look their words on it are really weird they don't really say anything there's no individual team names some of the players are kind of weird i'll give them credit for when their jerseys are jumping you can tell there's like pads underneath it which is pretty impressive and the laces which the devils don't have are going up and down but there there's some physics issues in this for sure the reflections don't't match. Yeah, the reflections are weird. A lot of people don't have bottom rows of teeth,

which maybe hockey players don't. Yeah, I was going to say that. It's totally normal. Yeah. So the Stanley Cup is like that thing that people buy, the thermos thing, right? I don't even think that's what it could be. Because it looks totally different.

That's the best thing you've ever said on this podcast. I hope the next one is a literal demon drinking out of a Stanley Cup they bought it a bedazzled stanley cup no so it it i for all three of these it never even fluttered from the new jersey devil's thing like the hockey they got hockey right here's the second video this is later on in the same night oh okay these players look very like eastern european which is very hockey related so the players are now back to the locker room they've calmed down there's no more confetti they've still got the slightly weird but pretty close new jersey devils logos on their on their jerseys it's worse the

logo is worse the but it's consistent the guy goes for a high five and then doesn't get one the jersey that's realistic the jersey on this is super realistic these are like the new fanatic slash adidas jerseys where like the the way the black and the top neck piece is is very realistic um the hats in the background and the names on the lockers are really bad dude that's so funny is that what the stanley cup looks like this is what the team would look like if they just won the stanley cup five years in a row and like aren't even excited for winning it anymore if the devils haven't won since 2003 there would be these guys would be blackout drunk and champagne flying everywhere so here's the last video from a week later with a parade wow they this looks so bad this this is the least realistic looking one but it is the hardest one to generate which is hundreds of people a bus all the players on the

top of the double-decker bus the stanley cup the people in the street the flags waving tons of physics um zoomed out it doesn't look terrible but as soon as you start inspecting it, I don't think I would think twice if I just saw this clip on a news broadcast. If I was scrolling my Twitter timeline, I wouldn't check twice. That's kind of where it is. This F-150's holding 15 players in the back of it.

I thought it was bigger than... It looks kind of like an ambulance size. It's kind of bigger than an F-150. Yeah, I don't know. Them sitting in the bus is really bad. They're on top of a double-decker bus that they obviously aren't fitting in it very well but compared to what we've seen from sora this is the closest stanley cup out of all it is that's very i also like how there's like 40 people on the hockey team dude the reflection of the guy in

the street on the side of the bus is pretty close. Okay, but every single, there are over 100 people in the crowd. Not one of them is looking at the bus with the players. They're all looking backwards and there isn't a face facing forward at all. It's because Santa Claus is back there. Yeah, but the reflection doesn't go away.

The bus drives way past them and it stays with the reflection. The reflection stays. It's like what a college freshman would do on their first ever vfx project and they'd get a c minus or something it wouldn't be that i don't know about that yeah this that ran the gamut of one all the different things that happened when you win the stanley cup and two progressively got worse you should have seen my vfx work freshman year that'd be much worse than The people on the left, like sort of just down left from the street lamp are like merging into one another in this sort of like terrifying human soup.

A very Sora thing to do. The flag also that's being waved is just freaking out. Oh yeah. That's flags too. The focal length, not focal length, but like the plane of focus doesn't make sense.

Like some of these guys' faces are really sharp and then six feet behind them it'll be blurrier and six feet behind them it'll be back to sharp again. It's parafocal. It's something we would notice for sure.

Cool. So last three prompts are Ellis prompts. Let's go. Thank you, Ellis. And these go, these are also very interesting. So one square pants first one from ellis a wide angle shot of a dolphin jumping out of a tropical ocean in the style of can you say that i don't know how to say that fruitagere arrow is that a cheese don't know what that is but i put it in the prompt engine anyway

fruitagere arrow is let's see yeah let's okay wait okay i'm gonna try and explain this d minus no go on it is a very realistic dolphin it is underwater then jumping out of the water and landing where everything looks pretty good except for like the velocity of the dolphin. It slowly goes up to where it looks like it's just going to poke his head out. Then it just slowly continues to be about five feet over the water, flies for a little bit, and just very

slowly comes back in. And then he just goes horizontal for a little bit, and then dives back in. Yeah. He decides what his gravity is at any given moment. Did it match your style? No, I'm going to drop some images in the Slack of what Frutiger Aero is supposed to look like.

It's a very distinct visual style. Also, but I would like to give it credit, caustics on the dolphin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. See, some of it, that's the thing, is some of it is pretty impressive and then some of it is totally wrong.

So it's like, how do you summarize it as a whole? Oh, it's not like that. That's this. That's what the Prudish Air Arrow is. Okay. So I was really hoping for something like straight out of like a juice commercial.

Greatest. Like some of it, again, this is going to annoy people who do this for a living, but some of it is really impressive. When the dolphin's under the water, look at the bottom of the water where it reflects the dolphin as it's coming up. Yeah, like the... That's kind of interesting. The bottom of the water? Yeah, under the bottom of the water where it reflects the dolphin as it's coming up. Yeah, like the...

That's kind of interesting. The bottom of the water? Yeah, under the surface of the water where it reflects the top of the dolphin and the reflections. That's just... Okay. I found that impressive. Yeah. Again, Sora doesn't necessarily get all these things wrong, but I don't think it's this good.

Here's one more Ellis prompt. It reads, A crane looming high above a pristine mountain lake on a cold, misty winter morning. Wait, before you send it, were you talking about the bird or the construction equipment? That's up for Google to decide. Let's go. Okay, cool. It went bird.

Oh. This one I think gets the highest grade. I'm going to read the prompt again as you're looking at this. Dude, that bird be shitting though. Oh my God. That's true. As cranes do, obviously. There's so much bird poop on that.

The prompt one more time is a crane. Look at this video. A crane looming high above a pristine mountain lake on a cold, misty winter morning. That is crazy. It got all of it. I wish it thought construction equipment because if there was just an actual cream sitting here it would be pretty sweet don't worry the next prompt i chose the word looming very carefully like to see what it would do yeah again it gave

me a couple options this was the one i think fit the best one of them it was kind of on a lower rock i thought high above this this fit better the environment very very impressive it's not really any real place but it's definitely a mountain lake it's definitely a cold winter morning yeah pretty good it's really good quite good if you saw this on your twitter timeline do you know it's ai uh i've seen planet earth shots that look just like this i was just gonna say not even twitter if you put this in the middle of like planet earth for a quick three seconds i would not think twice yeah that is well the stabilization is not quite perfect kind of wobbles a little bit as drone shots do i think if david attenborough was speaking over that i wouldn't blink an eye here we see the crane looming over the mountain it's the crane's neck

it it does these sort of lateral movements that if you pay attention to them yeah but again like 99 of people are not going to be looking for this stuff if you only saw the clip once and moved on it probably would pass your what's the test uh vibe smell vibe check sure all right one last prompt from ellis before we take a quick break this one got a very different response. A bat with vampire fangs being held by a child behind home plate at a Little League game. I hope it's an animal bat. You specifically tried to mess that one up. This one is pretty obvious.

Again, the prompt is a bat with vampire fangs. All right, so we're talking the animal behind. Oh, yes. with vampire fangs. Alright, so we're talking the animal. Behind. Someone describe this because I cannot. It's like a souvenir baseball bat that looks like it's

made out of like Play-Doh. Yeah, and it has like Play-Doh vampire fangs hanging up. Yeah, these are more like boar tusks versus vampire fangs because they're facing upwards more like boar tusks versus that's true vampire fangs because they're facing upwards instead of down that is so funny also i don't see home plate but it does look i see the pictures now so this is approximately yeah there's a plate i think that the models are going to be good i think the models are going to be good at knowing like what you mean

to talk about because of the way that large language models associate words together. So if you put baseball bat, or if you say home plate, it's not going to associate that with an actual bat. But I said vampire fangs. Yeah, I get what you're doing. I gave it one of each. I get what you're doing,

and I actually think that would be very fun to do a lot more of those just to see what happens. Yeah. Overall, really interesting results. I think it's really good. Yeah, I know. It's really good at some things that

Sora struggled with, which is why it to me feels so interesting that Google would drop this right after Sora. Yeah, it's just going to keep getting better at this. Or that Sora dropped it right before Google. Got aimed. True, yeah.

And, you know, they had the 12 days of Christmas. It got leaked. They felt pressure to release. That comes out early. Now Google says, oh, this is out. We might have some pressure. We release ours. There's other video generation models that are evolving very quickly.

There's just a lot going on. Google always was going to have more data to work with, you know? Yeah, are they? How much? Because the entire internet is there youtube stuff i don't know like open ai open ai had to go and take everything google just had everything on hand you know what i'm saying do we think there's so do we think there's they're not trying to say that a hundred percent because they just gave us a tool to opt

in exactly yes two third parties oh Oh, third parties. It specifically said third parties. You notice it didn't say anything about YouTube. So for those that don't know, there was a story that came out this week. YouTube is now allowing creators to opt in to third party training models, training on their content, which like I have no idea why you would want to do that.

I guess what they are probably planning on is like there's all these publishers that have been striking deals with OpenAI to train on their uh news organizations work and maybe youtube is thinking that some youtubers could like go to open ai and say pay me a million dollars and you can train on my content i don't think that will happen but um the way that i see that story is that they specifically said third parties. Is there an argument that Google and YouTube are separate and Google using it? I'm like really trying to find like a potential proxy.

I thought the same thing. I looked through their announcement and there's no mention of Google or YouTube. Well, I'm just saying Google's making VO. YouTube's the one saying third party. I think they're both first party in this case i that's what i would agree with i just want to make sure we're yeah yeah yeah or that's what they're hoping morons like me think that yeah i mean yeah considering they have like more realistic like like sora would probably make up a fake jaguar that's sort of

vaguely based on what jaguars look like, but just make them up. Google just takes the actual I type. Right. Again, because we got lots of refusals. Yeah, we got lots of refusals from Sora on anything that had any sort of potentially intellectual property. With this, clearly a Spongebob, clearly the devils, clearly a jag jaguar like things that would not pass the same test so that's that's that's uh trend can someone to notice can someone make a meme that's like google when a youtuber infringes on intellectual property rights and it's like someone freaking

out and then like google when google infringes on intellectual property rights someone's already making that meme thanks We're sorry. Anyway, we have gone in detail. Let us know what you think in the comments. We should take a quick break, though. And before we do the quick break, we should do trivia. Trivia, dude. I've been getting complaints

on the comments that people say, I don't say trivia, dude, enough. So I'm going to start saying it again for all you out there. I've been getting complaints from these lights that say, hey, even though we worked perfectly all morning, we're just going to stop. Anyway, today's trivia,

today's first trivia question, I should say, is about Samsung Unpacked. Specifically, they move it all over the world, which makes it different than other tech events. So... They only started doing that last year, though. That is not true. Never mind.

Two years ago. Also not true. It's usually in... Okay, continue. Which of the following cities has Samsung Unpacked never been in? Interesting. We have our first one, Seoul, Korea.

Our second one, Barcelona, Spain. Our third one, Tampines, Singapore. Or Tampines, excuse me, Tampines. I looked up the pronunciation of that. If I still got it wrong, Singaporean audience, please correct me. But Tampines, Singapore. And finally, Amsterdam, Netherlands.

Cool. Huh. I have a 50-50 shot. Really? Because I was at the other two. I've been to two and none of them were at the list. Never mind. Okay. Yeah, we'll think about that one.

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Since this is our last episode of the year, we are going to do that again. We called it the Waveform Awards last year. And then everyone told us, hey, you morons, you call everything else YouTube Rewind. Why aren't you calling this Waveform Rewind? So I'm calling this Waveform Rewind.

Good idea. Thank you for calling me a moron. You were right. So we're going to do some things we did last year we have some fun questions we're gonna go over some predictions we had we're gonna make new predictions it's kind of how we're gonna wrap this episode up but before that i want to do some stats about waveform this year because they're awesome um so as of writing this not including this episode we did 24.5 million views on the Waveform channel, which is wild to think about.

That's so many dishes, dude. Yeah. So many dishes. We have 8.8 million watch time hours. Dishes watched hours has got to be at least 100,000, I think. Wait, okay, 8 million. Keep going. You keep doing that.

Okay. We gained just shy of 100,000 subscribers this year. Maybe there's three weeks left. You could try and hit that last 6 000 switch to switch to we did 13.1 million views in shorts which is something we really focused on a lot this year and that did great um i think the thing i'm the most proud of is we posted 60 we will have posted 62 episodes of waveform this year we did a lot of bonus episodes we did four more episodes than last year even though we're gonna take this break now which i think is really cool and i can't wait for 2025 i figured it out 8.8 million watch time hours is just over a thousand years of human life washing dishes i mean listening to the podcast that's impressive

that's impressive that's super impressive i can't believe that's a lot of dishes bro that's a lot of years yeah um audio wise we were just shy of eight million total downloads which is technically down from last year but this was the first full year after the apple podcast change where auto downloads stop and from what i've heard podcasting across kind of the world has hit a dip and we stayed pretty even so i'm taking that as a huge win thank you for sticking with us thank you for being like loyal listeners who don't just listen to one hit auto download and then completely forget they have 40 episodes of a podcast and i think it means a bunch of new people joined us so hi welcome subscribe thanks um yeah so we have some cool plans for next year um i'm super excited for it but news-wise we covered a lot of things a lot of stuff we are notoriously really bad at

being like that happened this year yeah so david was great and put down kind of the biggest stories and i just want to like also reiterate it with the question we did last year was was there anything that happened this year that wasn't on our bingo card so do you want to say the the big things and if there's anything someone really was not expecting okay yeah jump out on it so i went through uh just the episodes that we launched and the stories that we covered and i listed basically the biggest topics that we covered this year yeah uh google getting labeled a monopoly in search by the department of justice probably could have seen it coming but yeah actually expected it happened didn't expect it to come to fruition and it's still happening this yes in progress yeah the vision pro technically launched that we knew was happening and

is out and feels like an eternity ago that was this year that was this year wow it was january so it's fair uh the humane ai pin happened this year yeah it did that was this year as well yeah the rabbit r1 happened this year they sure did that was an interesting couple months for sure uh the fisker fisker went out of business this year that was definitely also this year uh sora launched this year officially only like last week but it got unveiled and now it's out yeah the cyber truck actually came out this year lots of big things this year we were i was watching the end of last year's episode and we were all debating on if we thought 25 cyber

trucks came out before the end of last year yeah did that happen oh but remember the bet was 25 delivered non-tesla employee cyber trucks before the end of last year yeah before the end of 2023 yeah and we were all like very on the fence of if we thought that was it's still hard to say i think it's hard to say yeah um i don't think it's that the meta orion smart glasses happened this year we got a very super thin oled ipad pro the google generative search experience that kind of uh made people eat glue and rocks came out this year that was fun forced them to uh nothing came out with their cmf phone which was weird whole cmf line right um that's a good question because they launched the earbuds and watched last year i thought those

were all together we were talking about them all together at first oh you might be right that might have all been this year and they've lost launched two watches in the yeah process right uh apple intelligence got both announced at wbc and is half out because we're still missing siri uh the fediverse got a really big push blue sky is big and now threads is big threads by the way the day before today they announced they have 300 million users now and 100 million wait did threads come out this year no that was last year it was last year okay okay yeah it was last july okay which is crazy because i i literally remember where i was the moment i made my account and because i have that so vivid in my head,

it doesn't feel, it feels like it was this year, but also the restaurant I was in is now out of business. So it's clearly was a while ago. Okay, we had the Huawei Trifold, which is very strange, got announced the same day as the iPhone. The Tesla CyberCab event. Hmm. very strange got announced the same day as the iphone the tesla cyber cab event google bard rebranding to gemini technically happened this year

bring it back bard was better and the scarlett johansson ai voice mode thing controversy controversy happened yeah chat gpt so the funny thing about this is like most of these were in voice mode thing. Controversy. Controversy happened. Chat GPT. So the funny thing about this is like most of these were in the second half of the year. It doesn't seem like a ton of stuff

happened at the beginning besides the human. There was like The Vision Pro, the Cybertruck, the AI pins. The AI pins. When was the Cybertruck?

They were gadgety for the first start of the year it feels like. Yeah. And AI towards the second set. The Rabbit R1. is it oled the super thin ipad was like that was mid-year yeah that was like june or something wow uh yeah it was a pretty big 2024 if i had to pick the thing that wasn't on my bingo card it's apple announcing a phone and its main selling point not fully coming out till

yeah literally the next calendar year yeah yeah wouldn't have guessed that it was very off-brand i did not have the orion glasses on my bingo card i think that was an interesting surprise uh because we all saw the headset start to come out and we assumed the smart glasses thing was super far away but to actually have them go on stage and just be like here we're not ever going to sell this but we still are like prototyping check this thing out that was kind of out of the blue it's cool i think that just in itself having a company that big announce something and publicly saying this isn't for sale we're not going to sell this and immediately make money on it stock price true so yes they're making plenty of money on it but yeah what i didn't have that on my bingo card of making the correct decision of not immediately just trying to sell to everyone

what do you have a sick bingo card they were all let's go um cyber cab event was that on your bingo card no that was a there's a lot at that event is that the thing that was not on your bingo card no that was a there's a lot at that event is that the thing that was not on your bingo card well there's that's another thing that was on like blue sky coming back having the year that it did especially the last few months was not on my bingo card and yeah the cyber cab all the things that happened at that event were also not on my bingo card because a lot of people were thinking model 2 has got to be the next thing they show it's got to be this smaller version of the model 3 for these markets that we need a $25,000 car. Like that's what a lot of people thought was coming from Tesla.

Yeah. So this was just kind of different. We've had like multiple episodes where we said there were reports that the Model 2 got canceled. And then Elon said, no, they haven't been. And then the reports were like the Model 2 is now just the cyber cab. So it's gone back and forth quite a bit. Um, yeah,

I, I didn't have it on my bingo card that Google would like just force everyone to use the search generative experience no matter what. That was definitely not on my bingo card. Cause that felt to me like they are literally just playing with fire, allowing their robots to answer people's questions and not even like, yeah. Wait, that was?

That was this year as well. Oh my goodness. Yeah, the like eat three rocks a day thing, pulling things from Reddit. Yeah. Yeah, and just like how much they blew up their own search, it felt like. Like I know Google has slowly been making their search absolutely miserable.

Yeah. But man, they hit it home. They really hit it home. They hit their goal. Yeah. So what about you guys? You guys have anything?

I think the thing that wasn't on my bingo card the most was how quickly everyone forgot about the Apple vision pro. Yeah. Like it came out it was a huge deal we spoke about it constantly biggest video of the year yeah it has like random resurgences like people on social media that discover a new cool thing you do with it and everyone's excited about or ellis and everyone's excited about it for like another couple days and then it kind of just like fades into the background again yeah and like for an apple product a new vr basically apple like that's just weird to me it went from like people taking like candid videos of themselves outside like crossing the street poking things and it was everywhere and then it's just nowhere i think you really need something to have that reason to come

back to it every single day if you don't want it to just be a blip in the news and they just don't have that right now so it could be like an original iphone where not a lot of people buy it initially and then later on it just becomes crazy popular but right now it's uh it's looking a little bleak this here's an interesting stat for the video we made about it okay Okay. It blew up, obviously. It was one of the biggest videos of the year. In the first week, it had 22.9 million views. Like a lot of people who weren't ever going to buy it were just watching that video. It has since gotten roughly 1 million views in the last 300 days.

Wow. So the chart is just... Yeah. And people just stopped talking about it. Stopped caring. Yeah. That's crazy. Wow. Wow. So the chart is just, yeah. And people just stopped talking about caring. Yeah. That's crazy. It's interesting. What I didn't also did not have my,

on my bingo card is a Google Fi still not supporting RCS. That's so funny. The iPhone on the iPhone. That really bugs me. I was thinking about switching to Google Fi and and I'm probably not going to do it. If you're on your iPhone, it will not, like you can't do RCS chats with Android phones yet. Oh, that's why.

I was trying to text Marques yesterday, and that's why it didn't work, because I'm on Google Fi on the iPhone, yeah. Yeah, I started noticing a lot of people, I mean, obviously they updated to iOS 18, but I started getting the typing indicators. So I've been on Android, and I'm not used to getting the typing indicators. So I've been on Android and I'm not used to getting the typing indicators.

And when I did see one, I'd be like, oh, another Android person. That's so cool. Now I see it, I'm like, yeah, everyone's got these now. Which is cool. I get to see when people are typing. I did expect all the misinformation that people are spreading about RCS and stuff, but pretty classic. That's fun. Honestly, what

wasn't on my bingo card was discovering I love Vision Pro. I've like chilled out a little bit, you know, but damn, there was like a month or two where it was just like, I was in that thing. You were locked in. All day, every day. You've been in it within the last month. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it rocks, man. It's so dope man it's so it's so dope it's like do you want to tell people what you're using it for specifically literally just computing so you're just on the computer but with the headset on so your environment's different like yeah i sit at my desk and i do my normal work but i'm wearing vision pro and i'm in hawaii and it's nighttime like that's like the vibe like i don't really know a bigger screen and cooler environment bigger screen cooler environment less distractions uh i don't i don't i'm not a developer like i don't pay for the developer beta

pass so i'm still waiting for is it 2.2 or 2.2.1 whichever one adds the ultra wide display right because that's going to be a game changer for me i was going to mention that so the because the you know we're not going to get a vision pro 2 anytime soon but i always feel like when you get a first gen product that's the company trying to see what's interesting about it and see what sticks and And the closest we have to a Vision Pro 2, which is when they learn, okay, this is what worked, here's what their direction will go, is the software updates they've put out.

And the fact that they're improving specifically the Mac connectivity and adding an ultrawide and adding more capabilities there. That's what people have really liked to use it for. It tells me that that's one of the primary uses of the Vision Pro. It's the resolution. The resolution is so good it's so high like it just feels so natural to use and then being able

to like like typically what i do is i have all my work stuff on the virtual display and then like slack i'm running the vision pro app for and it's like floating off to the side and then because of universal control my mouse will automatically go from my computer to the vision pro it's just like you know i really don't like though i used it with the mac mini the other day and if you're not using a magic keyboard and magic mouse you cannot see your keyboard and mouse that it only recognizes yeah and stuff same with the trackpad um like You can't see it. But I've figured out the perfect environment setting to where I can still see my hands.

And then when you have it at that little past halfway point, if you're in a nighttime environment, even though the environment's mostly in front of you, if you turn around, it matches the lighting in the room you're in. It dims the room. Would it be weird if we were all wearing vision pros all day in the studio yes yeah well maybe

it wouldn't be weird because we'd all be in our own environments we wouldn't even notice yeah i'd be in hawaii yeah i'd be a crane yosemite no one even thought about it everyone's just like yes i'm just like when you're describing i'm like maybe i should do that more often and then i'm picturing like several people in the office doing it i'm like what if we all did i don't want the nightmares of saying hey marquez and having you turn around in your eyes you're just bothering people for a minute i was reviewing that just walking around pro people were like i can't talk to you while you're wearing this i was like yeah that's fair you you walked into the studio a few weeks ago when I was wearing it, and you just stopped by my desk

and stared at me. I did? You said, right, this is how the world is now. I remember that. You've got bug eyes. I wonder if Samsung's going to do that with theirs with the eyes on the outside. Probably not.

That's a great question. Probably not. All right, so we should make some predictions for 2024. Yeah, 2025. there's the eyes on the outside probably not a great question probably not yeah all right so we should make some predictions for 2024 right 2025 well let's look at our predictions from last year and then make our predictions okay sure yeah okay cool let's do that um all right so this was last year we have a split up of these david said multi multimodal ai is going to take off and be integrated into everything adam said that was the safest prediction possible that's true would we say i would say it got integrated into everything i wouldn't necessarily say it took off i i wouldn't say everything i

would say the important things it got integrated into like google the things we expected i feel like there's visual search on the iphone right now that's basically multimodal there's gemini has the back and forth with what am i looking at kind of thing there's the raven glasses yeah that's fair yeah yeah i think that would be a successful production yeah i do agree yeah it was it hasn't taken off quite as much even though if i'm talking about AI stuff, that's probably the one. Except for if you just want to know what a person's dog is, just ask them what the dog is.

Don't ask them to take a picture. Don't get down on one man asking about if I can take a picture of their dog and then figuring out everything. Yeah. How old is your dog? Don't tell me. Don't tell me.

How old is this dog? I need the AI to see. Is he a good boy? I got it. It's Charlie now. Yeah, I think that's a fair prediction. All right, Marques, you had Hasselblad releases a camera and one

that shoots AK video. Or video at all. Or video at all. He said, or video at all, but it's AK. Here's the problem. Everything that you just said. I'm looking up the X2D release date so the x2d came out in september 2022 and i'm pretty sure they promised it would shoot video with a software

update and it still doesn't yeah they yeah i don't remember the x1d at least had a section on the camera yeah in the software that said video and it said coming soon and it just never it never added and the x2d the x2D is the number one camera where I'm like I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it there is no reason for me to have an X2D but I want it so bad and I'm like maybe I could just fight if I could occasionally shoot like handheld video clips on it and I could

use them at home or whatever and I'm fairly sure even though it came out before 2024 they still never added video so I think I failed here I think they did not announce any cameras with video and that's just how the world is they also just got rid of the video section entirely on the next one on the x2d yeah so they didn't even promise it no i walked back yeah you don't even get the the hope i was i think this was more of a like hope than a prediction yeah

but it didn't come true all right lsu said holograms okay so i just want to say if you're look look look look listen all you haters all right look sure maybe we haven't seen him in the news but if you're like me and you're deep in that hologram web community you would know that the two leading companies voxon photonics has uh voxon photonics and lightfield labs have made great developments in their products this year voxon photonics new i forget what the name of it is i think they just call it like the voxon display it looks great it has a new housing you can buy one for six to eight hundred dollars it's pretty sweet uh lightfield labs seems a little more and more kind of scammy

but um but but i'm not gonna call it because i still have faith they uh had a press release a few days ago that they just you can now go see one of their hologram machines at the SETI Institute. So that's pretty cool. Looking Glass also came out with some products this year. They came out with the one that attaches to your computer and it's like a little side-by-side display.

And they also, you can integrate it with ChatGPT now and it'll talk to you, which is interesting. And it looks like they have like a like a 3D volumetric picture frame thing now. Yeah. OK, so. Yeah.

So I'm not an expert in this, but I'm about to drop my what little knowledge I have. So the CEO Voxon did this cool interview a little bit ago where he was like, we got to start. cool interview a little bit ago where he was like we gotta start we gotta drop the word hologram because holograms refer to this thing like what i'm if i understand it correctly like this uh proto display thing um that david just mentioned and if i'm looking at the right thing like looking glasgow yeah yeah which is a hologram the way we know it like those things that you like move side to side and it like gives perspectives you know what i mean what voxon and lightfield labs are developing are called volumetric displays which is think of a display but instead of pixels we have these things called voxels which are 3d pixels um so they're sort of slightly like this is still pixels just with like

perspective information the other ones have voxels anyway so while i will concede there were bigger news stories this year the volumetric display train just keeps on a rolling fair enough true how close are we to i'm gonna embarrass myself is it the first star wars that they had princess leia yeah yeah how close are we to that uh i don't know so the big thing right now is both of these companies it seems like they're these self-contained uh things like think of like a fish tank and then it can exist in there and then you could walk a full 360 degrees around this thing and you're still still able to see it but as far as like throwing a projection that's still pretty specialized i don't know if that exists yet right i think a lot of people have not yet figured out

totally how to commercialize hologram technology but there is still a group of very dedicated people who want to make it a reality just because they want to make star wars again you know yeah like sure so that's cool and i think that will keep advancing uh over time so yeah let's go to the next one we got so i was watching it back and i like i don't think i ever actually said one whether i was scared or got caught up in it um i did agree with something david said which was a major software redesign for the apple watch i don't believe that they did have a software redesign there's a software redesign but it wasn't like major yeah it wasn't major yeah they kind of just tacked on tiles which is like a feature i would not say that came true yeah we

thought they would have everyone thought there would be like a crazy 10th gen new redesign for the whole watch well it got thinner it got thinner new redesign for the whole watch. Well, it got thinner. It got thinner. It looks exactly the same as the last one. It's like, all right, you made it thinner, which is nice. 10% thinner. I believe the exact words we used last year when we were talking about this was a complete redesign of the watch. Complete. Yeah.

That did not happen. I don't think that happened. We were picturing like Moto 360s. They hyped it up like it was a complete redesign. They did talk about it. From the ground up, the lightest Apple Watch we've ever made. Yeah, okay. And then Adams, which I really

liked, he said, we're gonna stray away from transparent tech and get more colors. No, what are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's been all about transparent tech this year what transparent tech came out this year all of it the ones that already were stayed transparent video about yeah i think there's just as much transparent tech as there is new colorful tech

and i will argue the colors just continue to get less colorful it feels like bro i ordered a purple ipad accidentally and thought it was silver for like a week before adam told me that's purple so desaturated okay counterpoint counterpoint uh-huh iphone 16s really saturated more saturated than the ultra marine exactly rabbit r1 the most orange thing ever made a cmf cmf no transparent stuff there yeah let's go let's get them i'm pretty sure every single new imac is less saturated than the imac before it that's from generations all of the pro iphones are still just like yeah more and more silver essentially like they're like the lacroix of colors it just doesn't feel like we're getting super colorful. You make a good point with Rabbit, though.

That was a color that essentially broke cameras. You know, we did get a lot of this year. You are right about the iMacs. You know, we did get a lot of this year that I'm very glad we got. We got a lot of weird game console stuff. There's always new special editions of the... PlayStation? No, of the

Analog Pocket. Analog Pocket. That Game Boy thing. They always do new colors and new fun things, but then we got the Arms Dealer Game Boy this year. Yeah. It's colorful too. Yeah, it was Palmer Lucky's Game Boy.

So we got an Arms Dealer Game Boy. We got a bunch of new weird amber nick handhelds which are like the the weird chinese rom oh is that the stuff that you find on dead whales sometimes you find stuff wait what what adam gets it you can keep going okay amber amber gris oh it's not hanging around we can just keep going I don't know it just it felt and then

PS5 Pro well yeah but Analog also came out or at least announced its N64 redo this year as well

so yeah I don't know there's like a lot of really cool retro gaming stuff they are they really are they're like

what if we had what you had in your childhood, but it was metal and you would pay $400 for it. Yeah. And everyone who did have it during, have it during their childhood is very excited about it. Yes.

And everyone who didn't have during their childhood, at least I'm speaking for some of them are very confused. Yeah. Like, Oh, you want a game boy again, but more, but more.

And you still have to buy the cartridges. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. To Adam's point, a lot of these, but more expensive. And you still have to buy the cartridges. Okay, cool. To Adam's point, a lot of these things are very colorful. That was my point. No, that's fair. I wish things were more colorful. Yeah, I agree. Cool.

We did get some transparent stuff, though. Yeah. That's true. Do we want to do our predictions real quick? I am unprepared, but I will think of one. I will try. I had one, and I forgot it already. Kick us off if you have one i had one and i forgot kick us off if hit us my prediction is someone will get the ai wearable right disagree someone will get the but

i hope but so like do the meta ray-ban glasses so that is where my head went to but not everyone is just walking around wearing meta ray-ban glasses. If you have them, you have them. You love them, I'm sure. I want a pair. But I wouldn't say they're right. I think they're the closest. But I think this year someone will get it right. If you define get it right, is that like it's in the zeitgeist, regular people are buying it?

Yeah, like it's a success. I wouldn't say people are buying it, but people want it. Because there's levels to success. There's AirPods, which is like amazing success. But there's also Tesla Model 3 success. And there's also, you know, Canon or Sony A6000, which is like in a community that's into this stuff. It's very successful. I would consider an A6000 to be a complete success.

Yeah. Much more successful than even like an A7. So you probably never see them on the street, but everyone who knows, knows. Yeah. And everyone who knows wants one. Okay.

Like, even if it's like Google pushes a software update to the Pixel Buds, if it's like the Meta Ray Bands get significantly more powerful, like something like that. Do you think Google's going to release the new glasses

that they keep teasing? Yeah, I have so many thoughts. Google Glass 3. Ooh, could that be it? Does AirPodsods getting apple intelligence count no because apple intelligence isn't there yet no but if it gets it if there's some amazing siri talking translating yeah if it if it comes out and it blows everyone away i will consider that a success okay okay I think that all of the like AI big stuff is just going to like, your expectations need to lower

and then that'll be where it's at in your phone. It'll be like, RIP Google Assistant. Pour one out. I miss you. Gemini is just gonna be like doing more stuff and siri's just gonna do more stuff is that a cold take that's definitely gonna happen no we thought it was gonna happen i don't think there's gonna be a separate wearable that like really takes off i see but well i can segue into my prediction do it it. So my prediction will either be, I think, right or super wrong.

Rabbit are two. I think they survive long enough, but since it's not subscription-based and it is taking compute power for each person that could potentially still be using it, they'll need to release a new one so that they can charge money for it. I don't think it'll be much different.

I don't think it will have a lot of success. But I would not be surprised if we get a rabbit R2 next year. That's a good pick. And if we don't, I wouldn't be surprised if that's because rabbit folded. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of that, you know how Humane recently was like, hey, guys, you can use our OS if you pay us money.

Because they recently were like, Cosmos isn't just for the humane ai pin it's oh i missed that yeah this had this was like three weeks ago yeah they like did this whole press thing being like we spent so much money and time engineering this ai os for the ai pin you could actually use this in like a car or something if you wanted to and they were basically just trying to vet people to use them as an AIOS company instead of as an AI hardware company. So I don't know if they're going to make any sales, but I think Humane gets sold this year.

I wouldn't be surprised. Okay. They successfully do what they've been trying to do. Probably not to HP, but probably to someone else. To Fisker. Will they be sold for more or less than Juan Soto's current contract?

$765 million. Jesus Christ. I think that's actually a great number to be looking at for that. It could be less easily. Easily Yeah. It could be less easily. Easily. But it could be more easily. Because their sales, it's like, do you care about the sales or the talent?

No, no, no. You're acquiring the talent. Oh, I guess I said current content. I think the talent's kind of been exposed at this point. It's tough. They have designers, clearly, but they also have a long way to go. Yeah is a good over under it's a great over under i have no idea i would say 500 million haven't they raised that much they raise more 400 million i think no i i mean it's it's hard to know exactly how much they raise because i don't they don't have to like

publicly disclose it but it seems like estimated they raised in between 200 and i'm gonna say 310 million dollars so if they could sell for juan soto money that's pretty cool that's pretty cool that'd be good for them yeah yeah you could just around for eight years and net like 500 mil yeah that's just called the roadster so let's welcome to silicon valley um i've come up with a with a prediction okay let's hear it that i'm excited for uh the browser wars are back yes the browser wars at least heat up again and are interesting because at this point it feels pretty stable it feels like people who use safari use safari people use chrome use chrome people who use altari safari people who use chrome use chrome people who use alt browsers use alt browsers and there's a little bit of people like

sometimes leaving chrome for oh i switched to arc you know there's a couple people doing the the browser dance but i think maybe with all this antitrust with some some google pressure and maybe with maybe a new search engine or maybe Apple does something interesting with Safari. I think we could see some version of the browser wars heating up, whether it's on desktop or mobile. Do you think Chrome has to be either sold or divested this year? I don't think it has to happen for the browser wars to heat up, but I think, yeah, just something, something happening, whether it's the default search engine being a thing that kind of just gets up for grabs in some major browser, something happens

in 2025. I think that could heat up the browser worth. It could be fun. A lot of people are trying to re-architect what the browser looks like right now. I think it's a long shot, personally, but it'll be interesting to watch. Yeah. Every once in a while, I open up Safari on the Mac again

because it's a laptop, and I'm like, wow, my battery life could be so much better. Yeah. And then hour later i'm like safari never mind lame damn never mind because i've been having the opposite experience where i was like you know what ellis like you're boring like let's try let's try another browser and then i was like safari has tab groups now stay in here brother yeah every eight months they add an old feature that every other old browser has had and they go, look at this thing we invented. And everyone goes, alright, Safari's pretty good. Yeah, Ellis is just over the moon. It's good. It's good that they add stuff. Yeah, that's my prediction. My prediction

and I've said it before, I'll say it again. Microsoft will not be adding live translations to any product they ship in 2025 you heard it here first not even teams video calls you know what was really awesome just to like

just to make sure I had all the facts I needed to make that prediction I google Microsoft ads live translation press release. Yeah. I found articles from every year for the past five years saying Microsoft's adding live translation. Really? Every year.

It's just at a certain point, it's like their Christmas party invite. You know what I mean? It's like the Tesla full self-driving. Anyway, so Microsoft, if you're listening, prove me wrong. This could be the year. I will. What are you willing to do if they add it oh i oh look i'm a i'm a man of of character of of good moral character i will admit that i'm wrong i will get right up here and i'll sit at the big table and be like microsoft he'll lay across the table. I didn't believe you. But, you know, I'll really eat my words in public and be willing to be the guy who was wrong. But I just like.

Will you shave your head? No. What is it? Will you take a dab of the bomb? The bomb. While crying. A dab's not that bad. I think you could do that.

A teaspoon. I will. I think if 100 engineers get together and build this impossible thing in the next year, then you should take a dab's not that bad i think you could do that a teaspoon i i will i think if 100 engineers get together and build this impossible thing in the next year then you should take a dab of the bomb yeah i'll let's let i'll eat something like unbelievably spicy in this room okay i don't know if it'll be a dab of the bomb i don't know we while giving your concession speech yeah no no no no we'll um we'll figure out the specifics but yes microsoft okay if you're able to do the impossible and make good on your word that again you started promising almost 15

years ago at this point i will melt my taste buds and if it does not happen satya has to do that for you if it's for sure he's in on it he's listening right now obviously yeah yeah honestly satya if it doesn't happen just send me one of the hard hats that you sell with HoloLens and sign it. That's enough for me. I mean, I have a lot of prescriptions of things I don't think will happen in 2025, but that's a little more boring.

Roadster? Roadster is not happening in 2025. Cybertaxi is not happening in 2025. Robovin is not happening in 2025. Robovin's never happening. Maybe Jaguar has some interesting predictions around it. Do they ship a car that people buy? I thought the whole thing was that it wasn't...

Their release wasn't until 2026 anyways. Well, never mind. What do you think the Pixel 10 is going to look like next year? Oh, that's a fun one because we think that the Tensor chip finally does the tensor 5 is supposed to be tsmc based that could be good yeah i want that to be good yeah i don't i don't want to fall in the trap of making a prediction of just something i want to happen yeah that's what i've done before but this is the year for pixel 10 do you think google will have a big uh like splashy redesign of the hardware because it's the 10th, the 10th one. Cause the nine is already very refined.

So I think they do the tick talk strategy of updating the outside and the inside and the outside. So there, we had this new flat advisor thing this year outside, I got updated, but tenser still tensor. I think pixel 10 inside gets rejuvenated. Very exciting.

I think pixel 11 outside gets changed again but that's 2026 i think that's a fair prediction yeah okay well we should take a break we should we should come back we've talked our faces off um before that one more trivia question you got really hard at the end of that he's worried i'm just trying to think of i i've talked so much here i was just like do i have any other predictions i have a thing for next for the next after the ad break okay it is an optimistic question okay what's that that all right All right. Question number two. Project Muham. Remember Google Daydream?

Don't do I. When it was announced in May of 2016. Oh, man. Google said that it would be built into the next release of their Android operating system, which was... Oh, I think I know this. Question mark, question mark, question mark. So what operating system?

Yep. I think I know this. I always, question mark, question mark. So what operating system? Yep. I think I know this. I always just assume I get these ones wrong. I have a guess, but yeah. I will accept the number or the treat that it was named after. I'm right unless I'm wrong in which I was just kidding. Same. Great hedge.

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to close us out for the whole year, no pressure. That was way more pressure than I was expecting. Okay, last year we did worst product of the year. I think we all kind of know a few things we would say. We already just made fun of half the worst products of the year, so let's do favorite product of the year. Maybe that's I'll open it up to this favorite product that got released this

year or favorite thing product you bought this year so i'll let it be a little more open i mean i have one pretty obvious one that i'm using oh it's one right in front of me this is that's okay so what is it first okay audio listeners yeah so for me it's both i bought this one and i reviewed this this year it's the m4 macbook pro it has the uh nanotexture display and how's it holding up for those wondering i mean i have taken really good care of it and it's holding up fine it does have a couple little marks on it that aren't coming off but in general when i'm looking at it from reasonable angles it looks fantastic and i almost like forget that there are things i could be reflecting like it looks that good all the time so it's been incredible

it's super performant i have all my stuff on it i got rid of my home mac studio and i now plug this into a dock. And so I have all my documents and everything. This computer goes with me everywhere. This is a good one. And this is because you had an M1 before this, correct? I had the M1 Max. When was the last time you didn't hop on like the newest?

Because like you're always pushing that. And what I've thought is really impressive about the m series is it got marquez brownlee to not immediately upgrade and wait three iterations before actually yeah i didn't i mean again it's it was the two main things that i do on my laptop which is all the everyday around the studio stuff and then once in a while i need to edit a video on my laptop and so i could use a MacBook Air. I could use any laptop for 99% of the stuff, but it's for, oh, I will also need to go to the Apple event and edit the entire video in the hotel room while I'm there.

That two, three times a year thing requires a powerful machine with a high resolution display. And I went with the 14 inch laptop this time. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite me. I have not edited a video on it yet, but I think I can. And I can mess with the window sizes and do my coloring and probably get it done.

So it's been awesome for the 99%. I'm waiting for having to edit a video, but it's been phenomenal. What about for the 1%? The 1% of things where I'm just editing a video? Well, you said it's awesome for the 99%. Well, the 99% is all the daily activities that are not editing videos.

I was trying to make a really wealthy people joke. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, so great laptop. Came out this year. I bought one this year.

It's good. Cool. Yeah. Mine is the Anbernic RG35SP, which is a Game Boy events sp clone um rom machine and i had a lot of fun with it i got to this year i played a lot of games from my childhood that i like never finished because my attention span was too short and i actually finished them so that was good um and it would cost me like 40 so it was a pretty good pretty good purchase i also want

to shout out the pixel buds pro 2 because i have fully switched over to them i really like them um they also have a nice mint color mint great color i really like that they have um they have dual what do they call it When the Bluetooth can connect to multiple devices. Oh, multi-point. Yeah. A multi-point Bluetooth, which in my opinion,

if you don't have an iPad and you have a computer and a phone, because it connects to two things, that's like all I need. And it is like more stable than the H2 chip in my AirPods pro was before then. Wow. I like the shape more. Yeah, I like them a lot. They're cool.

Sweet. I think mine is a keyboard, obviously. But I think a keyboard that's more suited towards the gamer, the person out there that doesn't want to build it. There's the Zen Blade 65. It is a Hall Effect keyboard, which has been super popular this year. But it is a hall effect keyboard which has been super popular

this year but it's a hall effect keyboard that has a great build quality and stock feels and sounds very good i think it if you wanted to upgrade it all you would have to do is buy a nice set of keycaps and maybe lube the stabilizers which you can do without taking the whole thing apart other than that great build quality hall effect is is really awesome for gaming and if you get the silver one which i think is the only version and you get the silver mkbhd escape key it matches chef's kiss looks like the black logo the black logo yeah sick it's like 300 still but most gaming keyboards are like 200 to 300 dollars at this point especially hall effect it feels like what about you guys uh mine is the marvel unlimited subscription i got really into like reading comics this year and just having that like backlog of comics to go through has been awesome

like anytime that you're just bored sitting on the subway or something you just whip that out and read for a bit it's's pretty cool. Ellis? I don't know. There wasn't really a lot. I mean, Fish and Pro is cool, but I would never buy that. You got your keyboard. That didn't really come out this year. Yeah, but you got it this year.

That's true. I do like that thing a lot. The piano I have at home. But even that thing has some flaws. i was gonna say microsoft flight simulator 2024 but it's unplayable garbage so i would actually change my answer to microsoft flight simulator 2020 yeah which is an unbelievably terrific experience cool and i'm assuming way cheaper now i have game pass so i couldn't tell you um but uh i can't wait till 2024 works because then i will switch but until then i'll be stuck on 2020 awesome cool one more thing to wrap it up

this worked well last year we want to do our favorite soundbite of the year soundbites again they're in our shows a lot but i don't think people understand how much we play them in the this room yeah it's probably 10 times more than it is on the podcast but i think a bunch of us have some favorite ones whether they were this year or not will be very hard to remember do you want to throw us through a couple greatest hits from this year or do you have a few sure yeah i mean we could start off with the classic that made it on this year that i don't think we'll ever leave and it is this one that's that's fine that's that's what i wrote down yeah it's it's do people know what that is

it's david making like a party making a party wait can you recreate it right now perfectly it's gonna be so much worse it only happens when you don't try. You can't do a magic trick twice. You just gotta do it once. Once or it's luck. Twice or it's luck. Yeah. I could do it perfectly. I just don't feel like it.

Also shout out to the people that also watch the studio channel and notice that Ellis put that in that section. Yeah. That's the reason why I think it's my favorite. It expanded outside of the podcast. did you only use it in studio was it in a main channel at all no it's never been on the main channel yet smartphone awards intro

i just sit down but yeah so that that was my favorite i was pretty sure you were gonna play it that was a great one then there is also this I don't remember this was this year either, but personally, it's one of my favorite. I just don't get to use it a lot. Do you have birds? I got birds, boy. That was this year. That was this year? I believe so. Because I think I got the bird feeder this year. Bird buddy. Do you still have birds?

I need to find a new way to stake it into my ground and I've been very distracted. I need to get it up again. It's also freezing outside. Maybe you could use a pork chop. There's still birds, but it's... Pork chop?

Yeah. What? He staked it into the ground. My favorite soundbite of this year was not in an actual episode because Andrew said it while we were soundchecking, but Andrew dropped this bad boy on us a few months ago wheeze nice i thought it was gonna be something crazy i was very worried what did we say i re-watched last year and the majority don't worry i have i have plenty of crazy ones like uh like uh what

i don't even know what this one is we have have so many crazy wave four moments. Like, do you remember this? I'm not making up a frittata. Yes, vividly. That was one of the best episodes. So that was, was that the trivia episode? It was 2.15. I don't remember what that was. I just remember talking about Oof!

I was gone that week because I remember I came back and you guys kept reciting it. I was like, what are you talking about? Oh, oh it was a trivia question i think it was a question right and then everyone said you didn't know what a frittata is and i was like really yeah well yeah yeah that's fine i know wait that's fine i mean this is very off track do you remember when we you pinged everyone on our discord to ask them if they knew what a plum was but that was that was not 2020 no no it was not it just feels like that have we told people about that when i it's the only time in our discord everyone has ever been pinged and we were just having a debate on if people knew what plums were like i needed data i needed a sample size and hey listen some people so we were talking about

in the studio yeah and somehow fruits came up and then plums came up and i think someone said i don't think i've ever eaten a plum and someone else was like what do you mean you've never eaten a plum yeah everyone's had a plum and then the debate was like wait no plums are not a common fruit so then we had this whole like have you ever had a plum before a lot of people i know never had a plum before blah blah and we had to figure it out so i went to the discord and I said, at all. At everyone. At everyone.

I need to know if you even know what a plum is. And then what did you do? And then I hit send. And then? And then I just, like the Joker, just walked away from the experience. Exactly. You closed Discord and walked away. But we got a ton of answers.

And I think it was close to 50-50, too. It actually was. There was actually a reasonable position in that debate, which is plums are not very common, but some people find it crazy that they're not there. They are delicious though. They're great. They're great. If you made it this far in the episode,

comment, if you've had a plum before, or if you know what a plum is, or if you don't even know what a plum is, that'd be great. Uh, yeah. Well,

you know, here's, here's to another year of Waveform and great soundbites and hopefully learning about egg dishes and all sorts of fruits we've never heard of. Thank you for watching and listening and making this year possible.

I think the only thing left to do is end with trivia. There was a conversation that somehow went from cannibalism into... It was David. That's a good one. That's a great one.

Question number one. Which of the following cities has Samsung Unpacked never been held in? A. Seoul, South Korea. Yeah, Southorea i don't know why you can just say korea sorry guys south korea 2 b barcelona spain i don't know why i said 2 i'm really losing it here uh 3 tampa tampanese tampanese singapore or d amsterdam netherlands my last brain cell is like barely hanging on today i don't know i'm doing the thing where i think i'm answering the trick question yeah which always means i am wrong yeah that means i'm wrong too but are you right it sounds like we're oh oh we all pick different things oh okay well i said soul which is funny because samsung's headquartered there

so i figured that they did that funny non-answer last year they did yeah exactly and that was their first one in korea oh that's the one i didn't go to so two years ago they did in paris i'll say why i picked this as a trick question i said barcelona because i assumed it was mwc yeah not unpacked it was well there was an impact at mw soC. It was unpacked at MWC? Samsung has been referring to their event as unpacked since long before it was a standalone event. They referred to their MWC thing as unpacked. I went to that one. That's kind of why I assumed I was wrong on that one.

I put Amsterdam. Amsterdam is correct. It has never made it to Amsterdam. it has never made it to Amsterdam and I just want to say on the theme of tech companies writing their own blogs and spreading misinformation about themselves in these blogs Samsung you have two

blog posts one of which says that the very first Galaxy Unpacked was in Las Vegas in 2010 and you have another blog post that says the very first Unpacked was in Singapore in 2009 so make up your mind I guess like dang quick update on the score marquez with one andrew with one two he's carrying it folks zero while marquez carries

the one we got it david in the lead with three after that correct question. Chill, slow down. Call me Wolverine with my three claws. He's got six, but sure. So, remember Google Daydream? Yeah. Which operating system was it built into first after it was announced in May of 2016? But there's a difference between going down like this and going down like that.

Well, they have jets attached to them. Yeah, so the jets push them forward. And as long as the force pushing them forward is higher than gravity. It's like a fish swimming through water. Yes, gravity is pulling the fish down, but there's a certain force holding the fish up. How do boats work? Shareholder value. How do boats work?

That was a soundbite, by the way. Yeah, not a lot. Audio listeners. Shareholder value. How do boats work? That was a soundbite, by the way. Audio listeners. Shareholder value. I still get people tweeting at me that say, but how do boats work, David? Shareholder value. Flip them and read. What do we got? Hoof.

Very close. David? I said nougat. Correct. I said seven. Correct. Andrew? I said seven nougat. Correct. I said seven. Correct. Andrew? I said seven nougat.

I said nine. Wrong. I meant no, that's not right. With our powers combined, Marques, we could know any question. I looked at nougat, I was like, that's seven. Oh, that's seven. That's seven. Yeah, sick.

Great. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for sticking with us. Many more trivia questions, many more episodes, many more fun news topics and things coming up in 2025. Wow. It feels weird to say that out loud.

2025. Right around the corner. We'll see you then. Bye. See you next year. Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. I'm the dad. I'm supposed to make the see you next year joke.

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