Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - WWDC Predictions and the New Motorola Razr Plus

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

A lot happened this week! Marques, Andrew, and David sit down to talk about everything from Ford using Tesla chargers to Apple's rumored headset that might be announced next week at WWDC. They also discuss the new Motorola Razr Plus phone and then answer a bunch of questions from Twitter before wrapping it all up with trivia. It's a long one but hopefully a fun one too! Links: Motorola Razr Plus: https://bit.ly/razrmkbhd Electrek Faraday Future article: https://bit.ly/faradayelectrek AI camera project: https://bit.ly/wvfrmaicam Apple voice accessibility feature: https://apple.co/3WOfWaQ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm david and we are back to your regularly scheduled programming of course we're still gonna have more guest episodes but last week we talked to simone yetch it was super fun check it out if you haven't seen it already this week we've got a lot to talk about we've got the new moto razor which i think is really interesting. The Razer Plus, actually. A new AI image-generating camera. I haven't seen this, but I'm very curious. Also, WWDC is around the corner. By the time you listen to this, it might be happening already,

but we also are going to wrap it up with a Q&A. So we've got a lot to get to. I think that first, though, we should start with Ford. Ford made some moves. They did. Actually, just one move. Yeah, they made one move a couple of moves yeah yeah one one move that has a couple moves inside of the singular move they collabed they

collabed basically ford did a collab it's like a multi-movement movement sure a compound movement compound there we go compound movement so tesla and ford have collaborated basically what's happening is ford has realized that tesla superchargers are really, really good. And instead of contributing to a public network or building their own network, what they're doing is making their cars able to charge on as many Tesla superchargers as possible via several movements. One of those movements is by enabling them in FordPass. So you get an adapter, theoretically, I believe, and in FordPass, you'll be able to pull up to any number of the enabled, I think, thousands of superchargers when this starts to go live and plug in your Ford EV at a Tesla supercharger. The other move, which I think is actually way more interesting,

move which i think is actually way more interesting is starting in 2025 all of ford's new shipping evs will have the nacs connector for those who don't know that's the north american charging standard i believe it's called but that's the connector that all of tesla's use in north america it's basically the charging port from a tesla chargers yeah so all of the Mach-Es and F-150 Lightnings and whatever other revs they're making at that point, starting in 2025, will all have the Tesla connector, and they'll be able to plug into a supercharger with no adapter, max speeds. I assume if you have an adapter, you're limiting your speeds. That's a pretty big shift. That's one way of addressing our customers really need more chargers.

How do we feel about this? This just reminds me of this XKCD comic. If you've seen this one, I will read it to the audience. That's a classic. Situation. There are four competing standards. 14. That's ridiculous.

We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases. Yeah. Soon. Situation. There are 15 competing standards standards this happens a lot yeah it's it's kind of interesting though because in ev world there's really two ports 2.5 if you want to call it yeah yeah so but but the big ones are ccs and nacs and it depends on kind of where you live what you'll see a lot if you live in europe Europe, you basically only see CCS. Teslas all have CCS, et cetera.

In North America, in order to use a Tesla supercharger, you must be driving a Tesla, which uses a different port than all of the rest of the cars in North America. Bunch of other cars using CCS, just Teslas use NACS. And so, yeah, so Ford's like, yeah, we kind of just want to jump on this supercharger network. I'm sure some money exchanged hands.

I don't know the details of how this worked out. But this collab, I think, is a win for Ford EV buyers. 100%. It's a win for Ford because it makes all of their EVs much more compelling. I think the Mach-E is about as close to a Model Y equivalent as you could possibly get at this point. And F-150 Lightning now is way more road trippable like i could happily road trip being able to tesla supercharge uh in an f-150 lightning so yeah it's a win as far as they're concerned i think you can only consider it an l if you are a tesla driver who's already experiencing really high wait times or busy superchargers.

And that's about it. That's the only thing like that's the only downside I see of this is like, I will wait for the day when people are going to be like, I'm mad at Tesla because now all these other cars are at my charger and I'm waiting in long lines. I think on the East Coast, that's not that big of an issue on the West Coast. There some like pretty long waits but like overall this is a huge win i also think it is really cool because i the main announcement was like 2025 ford adapting nacs but they said within next year or as early as next year 12 000 superchargers in us and canada will have the software integration to allow all the food ford cars and i'm assuming we get an adapter at that point. Yeah, 12,000.

And I just wonder here, anything before next year, will Ford sell the adapter to these people? I'm sure they'll have some sort of software update because there's no way they're going to leave behind the 2022, 2023 Mach-Es and 150s. Yeah, I think all those people get this update as well. Yeah, 12,000.

It was funny because when we did that video charging the Rivian on the Tesla supercharger, it was one of like five chargers in the US that got enabled with this dock and you had to have the Tesla app and use the adapter. But yeah, this is specifically like, all right, you've got the Ford, it will work.

Yeah, that's pretty sweet. I have mixed feelings about this. As someone who personally experienced the terrors of CCS road tripping in the Mach-E from Ford yeah that's right it was the Mach-E um and got not enough sleep because of it that sounds great I mean if we had done this road trip and our Mach-E had the Tesla supercharger we probably would have gotten there at about the same time as you guys yeah uh you guys haven't seen that, it's on the Studio Channel. It's called the Thousand Mile Race.

I think ours might have just been like road trip vlog for Studio Channel. Yeah, we did a road trip between a long-range gas car, the longest range Tesla, and the longest range non-Tesla at the time, which was the Mach-E. Brandon and I got there 13 hours later. Anyway. Spoiler. Yeah, I got there 13 hours later. Anyway. Spoiler. Yeah. I feel mixed on this because it's great that Supercharger Network is already massive, but

the US in general is also spending tons of money to expand CCS. And there's been such a long period of time when everyone's been trying to decide, okay, what is the standard? What is the standard? What is the standard? Because if you go to a gas station sure there's like diesel whatever whatever but it's all the same type of pump it doesn't really matter like what's on the inside as long as the connector is the same that's all that really matters and having these two competing ones is

kind of weird now because ford you know makes the most popular car in the in the us like the f-150 right yep so if you have like tesla and ford that have the tesla charger and then you have everyone else on ccs it's just gonna like create this awkward separation and then there's the whole thing where in the eu tesla has to use ccs so it just it just feels like a standards mess and i was kind of hoping that tesla eventually just switched back switch back switch to ccs and retrofitted all of its superchargers with magic adapters here's the thing about that the nacs connector is better and that's the it is better it's so much smaller it's so much faster thin cable super fast and like they've built the whole network they've spent all those

billions of dollars in the u.s to like optimize this we've got 250 kilowatt chargers and that thin cable plugging it right in uh and that's so well done in the u.s that the only reason they do it in europe is because they had to yeah they i'm sure they would love to also do nacs everywhere so do you know why like i know that elon was trying to make nacs the standard and it just didn't happen do you know why it didn't happen i am i don't know exactly i'd have to look up the details but i'm pretty sure that they were forced to use ccs because it was called nacs can't use that in europe well even in the u.s right like the um it biden administration just put like a ton of money into developing chargers throughout the united states but i'm pretty sure it's mostly ccs chargers well it had to be i believe in that bill

it had to the charging network had to be able to use more than a single company's worth of electric vehicles which i think is why we saw that push to the what are we what's the like magic adapter or whatever like the magic dock so like this feels like maybe potentially one part of that i do think one thing here that's a little different and not as bad in terms of standards is like tesla's all come with an adapter for ccs no matter what right no no they did up until 2020. Now they charge you? They charge you for CCS.

Yeah, it doesn't come with it anymore. Well, I guess we're going to turn into this point of are you going to start getting charged for that or is it going to come with your car? Because it does seem like the software enabling is what was blocking CCS from using or non-Tesla chargers from having some sort of an adapter. I don't think there was any

hardware difficulties of creating the adapter I'm sure someone could have done it but software was limiting it I don't think adapting both ways is going to be that hard and like if we see this magic dock they're obviously opening it up for more people so that will be open for other sides and then also Ford and Tesla's can still go use Electrify America or any of those as well. Yeah. I guess I'm just worried about my mom, you know? How is my mom going to know what to do?

I mean, you're not wrong. Yeah, yeah. It's totally fair. That's my main concern. Yeah. I hope they make it really easy. Like with the Rivian, they gave a software update, so now you can see compatible chargers,

and they include the Tesla superchargers. But there's still a process of like, well, you have to have compatible chargers and they include the tesla superchargers but there's still a process of like well you have to have the tesla app and a tesla account and then enable it in the tesla all that stuff yeah um ideally they make this easy with software but that's not really up to them so yeah we'll see wait did you guys see what did you guys see what faraday future announced yes we did we all had you want to talk about this very quickly yeah okay the one 2017 is the first time i ever saw a faraday future vehicle i made a video about it at ces so this is like jank this is like six and a half years ago can i throw like an anecdote in

there to how long ago that was when i when marquez offered me the job or said we should think about working here you were at the ces where you so like before i started working here i showed your faraday video to people i was telling i who i was gonna work for yeah so there was no team it was just like and even after this point there was some hype so like faraday had been building hype before this and it was all the way until 2017 when we first got to see it. And I remember when I was there, they had the classic never gonna ship a vehicle setup. It was one engineering sample with an unfinished interior.

I remember that. And one finished vehicle that doesn't drive. Yeah. And so if you can just imagine them as one vehicle, this is gonna ship sometime soon, right? So I made the video, I enjoyed it. It was nice and quick and zippy and they were like yeah this is going to be a great thing so faraday future pretty great name because fast forward what six years now into the future um they still haven't shipped any and they keep insisting that they're going to ship some and

i've seen so many different versions of them going okay now we're going to ship this is the first interesting one because they're putting up a configurator and there's a price tag and some specs. So let me just go through that. Does that mean anything? It does. Did you see Electric's headline for this? I think I could not describe it better.

It says, Faraday Futures starts shipping FF91 with many buzzwords and a $309,000 price tag. They shouldn't have said shipping. Yeah, they haven't. They plan on shipping just like they've always planned on shipping. Trust me, Faraday, I hear you saying you're planning on shipping. But you're going to have to now ship to people who will actually pay this price.

So, as you heard, base price, Faraday Future FF91, $309,000. your ff91 309 000 i'll just let that second sink in for a second for a completely untrusted untested for a new company ccs new that isn't the base price that's the limited edition price the new base price that will come out later is 250 000 oh000. Oh, boy. How dare you? I apologize. Affordability. Way totally different stratosphere. Here are the specs for the $309,000 brand new whatever it's called. Why the $9,000? I don't know. Just $299,000.

It's like sometimes when you make the price a little bit different, it means more like, it feels more, like there's a reason for that. Well, we just couldn't cut any more costs we need to add that 9000 yeah if it was 299 you'd be like that could have been 200 this company might not exist if they just charged 300 exactly this is this is what you'd get so that it's like a sort of a crossover think of what is this like an eqs type of shape like a big eqe maybe it's weird looking it's a crossover suv type thing two rows

though uh sporty it's got a 2.27 seconds 0 to 60 155 mile an hour top speed so that reminds me of like a performance model y probably a plaid model model plaid model x i guess 381 mile range they're going to make 300 of them for this launch version uh 22 inch wheels triple motors 1050 horsepower and 142 kilowatt hour battery so anybody in anybody in 300 globally yeah yeah yeah which is fine because like maybe they'll make a whole bunch maybe they'll actually manufacture a whole bunch more of the 250250,000 spec, but this is the launch version. I just don't know how they're going to get anyone to buy. Yeah, I don't know.

There was a cool tidbit in the Electric article that said when they first announced in 2017, they had 64,000 reservations after the first 36 hours. And then like a year or two ago they checked back in and they had 14 000 unpaid reservations and 400 paid reservations wasn't there that was before this price tag also wasn't there a guy that either tweeted at one of us or emailed one of us saying hey just wondering if you want to buy my faraday future reservation i already paid for it it It's $50,000. Someone generously offered their spot in line if I would just pay the 50 grand that they paid.

Yeah. Yeah. Nah. I also want to note that they, like, is this a leaked investor deck? Or, like, what is this deck that you posted? It basically shows, like, how they've been going along for the last six years. Oh, this is on their website that's on their website i think that's just like straight up faraday futures website it's like their legacy

or whatever and i just want to i just want to read this 2018 amid the thick fog of adversity we remain steadfast on our path 2019 amid the lowest of, we thrived in desperate times. 2020. During the dark moments, the light of faith never faded away. It's not a phase, mom. It's like we did nothing for three plus years. Also, funny enough. We lost money for three plus years. Oh, yeah. A lot of money.

We bled money. Trying to convince investors that they have money or that they're actually going to make something also funny enough i think that that faraday future event where they that you were just describing was my first ces event and my first ces and i remember being there and being like wow this is really cool this is really futurist i knew nothing about evs and i was like well i'm here for the birth of a new company. And then, yeah, no. I thought that was going to be a pretty sick situation.

There is a 27-inch screen in the back. Remember the 30-inch screen in the back of the BMW? So it's kind of like that. Well, it would be if it was real. That's a fantastic point. I have a 75-inch screen at the back of my fake car sometime soon

alright what else we so we wanted to talk about the Razer right yeah the Razer Plus I think is a more interesting one but there's a Razer

and a Razer Plus by the time you see the podcast the video is out I got hands on with the Razer Plus I just think it finally feels like the beginning of like the second movement

of us trying some new things. This could be totally wrong and maybe it turns out to not be a real thing. But what they did with the Razer Plus was huge screen on the outside. Love it. Basically the entire, not the entire thing. Most of it. It's like 80%. It's a good amount of the outside.

Around the cameras. Around the cameras and everything. So the hinge is like obviously still hinged. But everything else, big screen. And you can do a lot on the outside screen. What's the screen to front ratio? I think it's like 80%. Do they actually use that term?

They might have said it's 80%. Do they really use that term? It basically looks like the whole front, except the very top has a little bezel where I'm assuming they're putting the digitizers and stuff. Yeah, and the hinge and everything. Yes, so you can do basically everything that you could normally do on a phone there's the settings page where you

can be like i want this app to be able to use the outside screen and then you click it and you open it up on the outside screen and it just squashes whatever app you picked into that little outside screen fine there's also a a whole keyboard you can type entire messages and use the browser on the outside screen and do all these things I think on a flip like this you probably don't actually want to do all that much stuff on the outside screen like that's why you bought a flip

right you wanted to have it be like a barrier you know so you have to open it to use it and then close it but this one is it does literally everything. There's games on the outside screen. I want a flipping phone as an adult fidget spinner

and nothing else. I wouldn't do that with a folding screen. That sounds like a great way to open that thing way too many times. Don't tell me what to do with my money. Do whatever you want. I like this idea a lot. I think this is definitely a precursor to at least the leaks of the Galaxy Z Flip 5. It is supposed to look a lot like this idea a lot. I think this is definitely a precursor to at least the leaks of the Galaxy Z Flip 5. It is supposed to look a lot like this.

Yep. This has sort of been the dream for me since the, I guess we can call it the hamburger style flipping flip phone started shipping. Right. Because the first Z Flip had just like that tiny little time bar and it basically was like not a display. had just like that tiny little time bar and it basically was like not a display um but this one's amazing because i i would actually like being able to manipulate notifications and actually reply to things really quickly and not just i think previous flip phones like this you had to use like pre pre typed out replies you couldn't actually type your own reply or anything like that almost like on your watch like yeah it it's easier to just do like. Yeah.

And like the whole idea of that style flip phone for me is like a lot of the stuff that you're going to do on your phone is just a quick glanceable thing that you maybe need to interact with a little bit and then you can open it up if you need to. And a lot of Android 13 and 14, the idea is that you're supposed to be able to do stuff on the smaller screens, but then when you unfold unfold it it contextually expands the information yes and this feels like the first big step in doing that with this form factor like the z fold has been doing that for a while yeah the big one the the hot dog ones yeah i've been doing that yeah yeah this one literally you could like you could have google maps open close it and follow the map directions on the outside screen.

Like, all the stuff works. I think it still does, though. You said it feels like you can do too much on it. Therefore, if you're buying a flip, you want to avoid that. I think it still does sort of do that while just letting you do things without having... It's almost the opposite of, like,

you're not going to interact with that unless maybe, like, a text message comes up, and then you can be like, oh, I can can respond to this or i can quickly do this there rather than oh now i have to flip my phone open in order to respond to this and therefore once my phone's flipped open i've opened pandora's box and now i'm 12 hours into a tiktok session that's the thing is you could get into a 12-hour tiktok session on the front screen i think it's still like still not quite right so like you can do your things kind of quickly without having to opening up and then you're still kind of not quite diving headfirst into it you're just dipping your toes in the

the screen time pool fully immersed is it called the motor razor 40 ultra because that was the leaked specs it is not it's just called the razor plus Okay, so they also have a regular razor That's a tiny little postage stamp outside screen with just the time or whatever. We don't have a price tag on it yet We're all assuming this is gonna be the first like truly affordable Flipping the smaller link phone or the cheaper one so it's gonna be the same size. It's gonna have 144 Hertz inside screen Which by the way the plus has 165 hertz inside screen they're going to have a uh the same exact set of cameras it actually gets a larger

battery because the smaller screen means more room for battery there's a smaller outside screen on the yeah like a tiny little itty bitty it's like the old razor one okay and uh it has a snapdragon 7 gen 1 so it's like a little bit of a bump down i think it's like the old Razer one okay and uh it has a Snapdragon 7 Gen 1 so it's like a little bit of a bump down I think it's 128 gig starting storage instead of 256 and that phone I'm assuming is going to be there's a total guess $699 to $799 that'd be epic which would be pretty sweet for a folding phone we don't really get folding phones underneath a thousand too much but the Razer Plus is the one that's going to be obviously competing with whatever samsung puts out flip five uh i am i'm fascinated by it i think the big question is going to be battery life for the phone because didn't they have to make the battery

smaller to be able to do the larger screen on the front so it's a 3800 now yeah and then it's also a pretty tall display like 21 by 9 or something 3800 million 22 but oh wow geez okay yeah um but motorola is like one of the few u.s companies that is actually doing like true fast charging like i what is the charging speed on this this is 30 watts but i'll also mention something oh maybe i'm wrong the razor third gen razor had a notoriously disappointing battery life. It was a thinner phone and it had a 2800 milliamp hour battery. Okay. So this one bumps all the way up to 3800.

It obviously gets a much larger outside screen, but maybe battery life won't suck as much. Yeah, perfectly. Can I also just for audio listeners, I realized we didn't say this previously, but like when we talk about full front screen, I mean like wraps around the cameras. Like the cameras are included inside of the screen. I feel like it just it really is basically the entire front of it.

And it's really cool seeing like wrapping around the cameras. If you watch our video on it, there's like a game they have pre-installed on the phone where you kind of like move these balls around with the gyroscope and they fall into the cameras and those are the little holes that you want to fall into it's just gimmicky but yeah it's really fun it's like the zelda uh like shrines that you go like where you have to use your switch to right balance it yeah pure gimmick fun tech demo hilarious use of the space i will also just say when lenovo bought motorola um mobility i was extremely nervous because motor lenovo is just kind of one of those companies that makes a lot of random prototypey stuff but either doesn't ship it or makes it really badly but they've actually been

trying a lot of really weird fun stuff recently especially around the display segment with that like dual screen laptop oh yeah they did the tall yeah the double screened laptop with the keyboard thing and then there's this like nobody else is really pushing the boundaries of like the hamburger style foldable right now except for basically samsung but because samsung didn't have very much competition it's been i those phones have looked the same for the last like three. Yeah, they kind of chilled. Yeah, so it's good to see somebody else pushing into that space. And I would love to have a return of Motorola in the US. I think that'd be awesome.

Except beyond the really cheap budget segment. They dominate prepaid. Yeah, they really do. But this is a real $1,000 phone. You guys want to blast from the past? I have all this information in front of me because of an unrelated trivia search but when you guys talk about razor battery life the razor v3 do you want to guess how many milliamp hours that thing has that that was like still the original 800 flipping phone that blew up that sold like millions i think that might have been the v2 this might have been

the one after it the milliamp hour size yeah so we're talking we're talking about like modern ones upgrading from like 28 to like 3000 is that what you said 2800 to 3800 yeah i'm gonna say that that had a 480 milliamp hour battery this is still like dumb phone like yeah like 10 plus years ago i think I was in high school when that came out. My only context. Q3 2004. Yeah. I'm guessing like 260. Yeah.

Also, this is exhibition round. No trivia points are being awarded. Unless I'm fourth grade. It's 680 milliamp hours. Nice. So we've really come a long way. 3,200 milliamp hours. And it lasted for two weeks.

The irony of it all. It's incredible. I mean, it had a pretty small inside screen, so I guess that's not crazy. Yeah. My context was I remember the Motorola Droid had a 1,400 milliampere battery. Damn.

Thank you to GSM Arena for keeping this page up so I can just look at this. I didn't know they had that part. They have everything. The mod days go back real far. Good times. Razer V3. Alright. What is this AI geolocating camera? Can someone explain this?

Yes. What is this? Okay. A lot of people were tweeting this saying this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. But David's been waiting all week to talk about it. I think I sent it to you. You did yeah you tagged me in slack you were much more enthusiastic about it than i expected okay it's not a product that anyone would ever use it's a

it's basically a toy yeah so the idea is it looks like a camera you carry it around with you and it has a gps in it it's also when we say looks like a camera so like camera body yeah but then rather than a lens it's like uh it's like i think that's an antenna yeah i think it's multiple antennas similar to like a vive controller where they use that for like position tracking so yeah sorry i want it like but it's pink and it's like coming out of the front of a camera it looks insane so it has it has basically a thing on the back that is effectively mad libs right do you know mad libs yeah you just fill in you fill in blanks so it says verb noun i'm at this geolocation the weather is this and there is like some grass beyond me or something like that

and then basically there's a screen on the back that has a prompt for an ai image generator and And because it has all of this information from like Google Maps and like all of this like image data for what that place generally looks like. And then also you're explaining the conditions of what the place is now. Well, I think it's using GPS and the internet to understand the weather conditions as well. Like I think that's part of. So what are you putting in? I think you're a shutter. But so I think because you said this is basically linked to a website correct that's like a prompt you can yeah you can go on this guy so his website is currently down because too many people are looking at it um but you just put in a little bit of information like the mad libs information like you say it's midday i'm here it's partly cloudy what are the so i think what

this actually is, is because of the GPS and the things, is when you click that shutter button, it's auto-filling in the ad-libs because it can tell through the antennas, like I am in this coordinate, I'm facing this way, it is this time, this is what the weather for this area is. And so then the knobs basically just change

like how far away from it you are. Yeah, it says meters, i don't know what seed seed is like um like when you're clicking it it's generating images but seed one would be like the first batch that it generated seed two would be a separate batch oh i thought seed was the seed they use for the noise um but when they diffuse the information through it i don't think so because only one seed would be like really noisy no no like like you know how you you have different seeds to create different noises yeah like you use that seed to create the initial noise map that you then diffuse through that may be true regardless yeah sorry sorry no it's okay it's a it's like a camera that looks like it has a crab strapped to the front and that's actually very accurate it's making all of these images and

there's examples on twitter we'll link this in the show notes um the images that it generates are much prettier than the actual places that this guy is taking photos of oh my god uh everyone on the internet is like this is so stupid what is society becoming and it's like guys nobody is taking this seriously it's an experimental fun thing for sure like just let it let it be fun i see this way more as like this is using generative ai like creating photos but like he created this cool thing to basically auto plug in the prompt of it yeah to be like in an area and then that's oh it's kind of like i have a camera so but it is cool because you it automatically plugs the prompt and you take

the picture and then it generates on this like weird little 3d camera thing he printed and like he looks at it and looks at the thing in front of him and it's right some of them are close some of them are decently close yeah it's usually just like a much prettier version of the thing he's currently standing yeah because it doesn't have like a million people like everything is like looks nice but isn't that what you want a camera for again yeah but it's not trying to be an actual camera it's like it's like a it's just a yeah what can we do with our the current technology that just got invented a year ago it's just hilarious to put it in the body of a camera with a shutter button i think it's amazing i was just gonna say i think if it didn't have like the camera body around it it would be a cool thing but because it's a camera everyone's freaking out i think that's what makes it fun like he tried something different i'm with you guys i

think we're so used to engineers and technologists inventing a thing and then being like i'm gonna shove this down everyone's throats until everyone's using it that now it's like when someone invents something we're like get that away from my throat you know it's literally it's like it's a toy it's a little fun it's like an art it's almost like an art it's like a yeah like an art exhibit yeah like i could see this in the moma just being like permanently strapped to the wall and then there's like a display in front of it that displays different places and then it to the wall and then there's like a display in front of it that displays different places and then it shows the thing and then it just generates and in that art like the ai is part of it like it's not replacing normal photography and stuff like

this like this entire thing is a project within itself and therefore yeah it's it's fun it's like a benevolent michael reeves video kind of yeah yeah. If you made a video on making this, it would blow up on the internet for sure. I would love to get one of these. By the time you listen to this, hopefully the guy's website will be back up. It got hugged to death and it's been down for over a day.

I just retweeted it, so it's probably later. It's down for sure. Yeah, sorry about that. The cool thing is on his website, you don't actually need the device. You can put in the parameters yourself and it'll generate images for you.

That's great. So you can kind of play with it. Hopefully that's back up to Bjorn, Carmen. I'm sorry that everything is falling apart for you right now. Bjorn, can I have one? Your invention is very cool. I would love one if you listen to this podcast. Bjorn listen to me we'll make a studio i'll give you the

studio's gps coordinates and then you just put one in the mail and we'll make a video about it yeah so anyway everything that's auto filling in i think can be figured out just by the positioning of the camera when the shutter buttons hit yeah so i yeah that's really cool i think the reason there's discourse around it is because there's a lot of really disruptive discourse around AI imaging and AI art right now and everyone's used to being angry. And also- And somebody is making something around it

that is doing the same thing, but with the intention of not being serious and people don't really know how to react to that. As I'm scrolling through, just his tweet says, thank you all for the amazing feedback. There are a lot of questions. So I'll clarify, this is a passion art project,

no intention of making a product or challenging photography, rather a question of the role of AI in time of creative tension. Nobody assumes that people are gonna like take photos with this and pass it off as their real art. But that's what like people are probably getting upset about. There are probably some people that will say that.

I think it's awesome. That's what I was going to say. The other half of this is like, remember we just had IO and it's like you took a photo and then it's like, this photo is nice but how about if it was a different photo and the sky was brighter and the bag was gone and she was two meters over

so she had the waterfall in her hands. You're kind of freaky. You can't really make that photo. If this gets pushed into the Google camera app, then we start worrying. Google could easily make this experiment. They could. Way too easily. You go somewhere, your camera's broken,

and your phone's just kind of like, yeah, but I know what the Niagara Falls waterfall looks like. And you just kind of give them a photo of the waterfall right that's it it's a fun art project um i just thought it was cute it was really cool and i thank you for showing that to me because it's very cool that's amazing all right we should take a quick break uh we'll do some trivia and come back we got a lot more to talk about but first questions trivia so yes dude thank you was it that loud last time or my headphones we raised it up just to mess with you nice okay in 2005 motorola launched the razor v3i adopting the eye to signal a collaboration with apple what apple software did the phone

have built in yeah i remember that i don't dang final cut pro Don't have built in. Yeah, I remember that. I don't. Dang. Final Cut Pro. Don't give them ideas. We'll be right back.

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We're in the midst of, well, we're about to be in the midst of one of the bigger WWDCs in a while. For those who are somehow watching this podcast, but don't already know, WWDC is the Worldwide Developer Conference. It is Apple's annual developer conference, but they also typically have a keynote for the world where they go over all of the new stuff for developers. Now, what's important for developers? Well, new software and new operating systems. So we'll get new iOS, new watchOS, new iPadOS, new macOS. And if there happens to be any new platform that starts up,

we should, of course, make a new name for that new OS and get developers in to make stuff for that too that's what wwdc is usually we get some cool stuff uh in the software department not too much hardware occasionally i think the mac pro was originally announced at wwdc they said it's coming later in the year but you know this is a good developing tool a good machine for developers so it was cool that it showed up there but it's not like we're getting a new iphone or anything yeah should be pretty quiet right they announced m1 as a concept at wwdc yeah they said we're gonna do apple silicon and there's a developer kit where we basically took an intel mac mini and put an apple like an

a15 in there so if you guys want to develop for that platform there's a good time to start so anytime you get new stuff wwdc that's where you see the new stuff. This time, we are expecting a lot of new stuff. Oh, yeah. You've heard about the rumors. I think the big one sort of looming on the horizon is... Swift. The updates to Swift directories.

Let's go, baby! That's probably going to be in there. Every single year. No, we're all like sort of waiting for apple's headset is it a vr headset is an ar headset what is it going to be called what is the os going to be called the late isn't the latest rumor like reality os and like reality pro xr os is a new one okay x ross we keep getting you know but reality pro is apparently the name of the headset

i think that's a crazy what is it i miss reality pro reality but that's also like if it's called reality pro that leaves room for like a lower end reality yeah that's just reality yeah yeah so that's the thing no there's gonna have to be if you're gonna ship a headset later apple you need to get developers to make software and things for said headset so WWDC is the place to introduce that concept to the world. That's the sort of headlining thing we're expecting to happen.

Headlining. Headlining. Headliner. That's a pun. I hate myself for that one. I hope if they don't use that, I'll walk off. We just all get up and leave. Just peace out. Should have said headliner uh yeah we got we got some expected potential things like we have other ar headsets that do interesting things um this one maybe iris scanning maybe facial recognition sensors maybe the easiest way to say this is it just sounds like the meta quest pro but apple but

apple like think of everything the meta questQuest Pro does and that's basically what they're saying. It's got an Apple Silicon chip inside. doing at wdc theoretically is they're going to be an um shipping and giving developers a really really easy way to translate ipad os and ios apps to reality os or xros or whatever they call it yeah so basically like they're probably not going to ship it right away right like they announced m1 there and then they shipped it in november so there's this huge like lead time right they're probably going to ship developers these devices and then they're going to give them like a translator to be able to re-export their apps in RealityOS or XROS format, manipulate a little bit to make it easier to use. And then all of a sudden when you actually buy one of these headsets,

you have all the apps that you already use, but then you can just use them in X which is very cool which is sweet for sure very interesting that's how that's the apple advantage right they're a giant company with an incredibly vibrant massive developer community they have the biggest app store in the world like if you can if any company can get these headsets to be a real mainstream thing seems like it's apple yeah so that's why everyone's sort of waiting to see what they do is it rushed is it finished is it the true apple way we're about to find out um there's one rumor here i want to see what you guys think and it like seems very minor but i feel like uh i think people might think differently of it external battery pack connected with a wire to me that just does not seem like a polished apple

thing they want it to be as light as possible because having heavy headsets on for long periods of time is really tiring. Well, there's the reasoning they'll say on stage for sure. It just still does not feel Apple One product. But they can make the iPod commercial again with the dancing people with the wire coming down. I don't see that, but to the back. Wires are back, Andrew. Wires are back, baby. It's cool now to have a wire it's gonna be a bright

white cable too so everybody you're on the train everybody sees that wire it's double like yeah it's not the fact that you're wearing a headset that they know that you have the newest thing they miss that but the wire the wire that guy's got it down to the wire yeah do we think what do we think are they going to ship something like immediately or is this going to be like a developer kit headset and nobody gets to buy this one i think they're going to sell it for a very high price i think the last rumor was basically like next year or the year after will be the non-pro like consumer version that's a little bit smaller a little bit lighter reality but this version is definitely like they're gonna make it past the point where anyone can afford it just because it's mostly gonna be like this is the first round where we build out the ecosystem and

get people learning how to use it and then when the consumer version drops it'll compete with like it'll be probably still more expensive than the quest pro and that kind of stuff but it'll be more reachable do you guys remember magic leap that like ar headset that sold as like it was like magically developer option um i forget if it actually did fully come out as like the consumer version but like that's what i'm thinking of in this which also makes me wonder is this going to be sold in stores i think magic leap was sold in like verizon stores for a little bit did they ever sell that it was it was it was like the developer version of it which is still weird which i feel like that's what this is going

to feel like but i wouldn't be surprised if you see it in an apple store with an insane price tag and non-developers are going to buy it anyways understanding like i'm paying a ton of money for something that's probably not fully worth that yet you can buy the magic leap 2 but you need to buy it for commercial purposes in commercial quantities and have a team of developers who are going to develop for your internal use of it yeah yeah i believe i think the first one because i thought we you were able to verizon got got us the first one yes yeah but this. But this is more like Audi just bought a big thing of Magic Leap 2s to develop HUDs. Makes total sense.

No, I mean, it's curious. This is going to be the first big new AR VR headset in a while. What if all of WWDC was in VR? What if it was in the metaverse? What if we went there and they gave us a headset?

Sorry, that was derailing. I would not enjoy that at all. What if it was in the metaverse? Not again. What if we went there and they gave us a headset? Oh, no. Sorry, that was derailing. I would not enjoy that at all. Yeah. But, you know, they got some other OSs too. So they'll probably have some new iOS stuff. It seems like iOS 17 isn't going to be like some massive jump. They did a lot with like the lock screen of iOS 16.

That was the headlining feature. We got like widgets, I believe was iOS like 14 or 15. This one, not too much headlining crazy stuff happening uh or at least that's not expected but yeah it's the new ios so it'll be focused on for sure mark german called it a tune-up release so it feels like sure like fixing up all ios 16 stuff to make it better literally the biggest thing i've seen is you'll be able to turn your iphone into a smart display which is like I don't even know if I want to do that. They're also going to be releasing that, um, your own, your own voice that you can type in words and it'll speak for you.

That was literally just like a small nugget of an accessibility feature that most people will probably never use. But if you literally have like, if you have like an, a disability with your voice, you have like trouble speaking, you can have it, you can go through a session where you say a bunch of words and it synthesizes your voice. And then you can use that as sort of like a DJ board

to have it say things for you, which is amazing. Yeah, I know. And I want to try it even though I don't actually need it. Whole podcast. Just write all of it. Because like the headline is easy.

It's an AI, Apple made a way for you to AI synthesize your own voice. it because like the headline is easy it's an ai apple made a way for you to ai synthesize your own voice yeah they did what yeah that seems super cool you hook that up to a gpt and then people can just talk to you on the phone and you don't even have to be on you never even have to wake up yeah i can take meetings never have to wake why would i at this dark so that so ios 17 tweak tune-up update cool um ipad os might be along the same lines there's also some new watch os stuff expected uh this one could be a little bit bigger just because we know we have apple watch ultra now that's out we could get some new widget stuff some new digital crown functionality there's some some rumors floating around again from our german that i've read into which seemed pretty cool tv os mac os hold on you

missed the biggest thing i think potentially for watch which is a new um intuitive more intuitive layout for watch apps and like just the watch in general that could be they're thinking like total redesign of your home screen on your apple watch oh wait the home screen meaning this cluster yeah i believe so that has been pretty much the same since the beginning since the original apple watch you can switch it to a list view yeah which is a list potential apple home watch screen update with more intuitive layout is what mark german said potential okay i'm interested uh tv os is it does tv things you know yep that's cool and then mac os which we uh we we might some we might see some new macs

yeah i think that the 15 inch macbook air is supposed to launch here isn't there a couple macs there's the there's the big air 15 inch macbook air yeah there. There's also M3 stuff possibly already. Maybe. Because the iMac still hasn't been updated, and the M3 is supposed to be the first update for the iMac. Wait. We never got an M2 iMac, right? No.

So we have an M1 iMac now. We're just going to skip to M3 iMacs? That's the rumor. Okay. Which I think makes sense, personally. I mean, iMac people didn't really need the M2 update, but it's still kind of weird to skip it. Yeah, it's weird to skip it.

Yeah, they could have just started putting it in. Yeah, I don't know. And then, you know, we always get like an M3 Mac Mini, M3 iPad, M3-based stuff. Mac Mini 13-inch Pro with touch bar. Can't wait. Please kill me. Can I kill it?

Just keep the touch bar away from me. Also, my reservation, we were talking about Mac Pro and how I've sort of adjusted my take on Mac Pro on this podcast in real time in front of you guys. I've settled on if there is no Mac Pro at this WWDC, it's never coming out. If there is no

Apple Silicon Mac Pro update next week at WWDC, Apple will forget. They will pretend it never existed and that they never even mentioned air power it marquez we've accepted this i am just now accepting it well i know you guys weren't looking forward to the mac pro at all i'm coming but in i was in like tesla roadster land where i was like maybe someday possibly come on you didn't forget did you do you think it comes out next week i think it either i don't i don't really if you had to bet on it's gone for it'll never happen or it's out next week

it's really one or the other um i would bet if i had to put money down god i think it's gone i think it's gone it's gone i personally think it's gone. It's gone, baby. I personally think it's gone. They haven't done... Yeah, I was going to say. Marques will run down the aisle if it gets announced. They haven't announced and then just quietly swept under the rug something since AirPower, and I think now's the time. I think you need to... Okay, Marques, we're in the acceptance phase, right?

First is... Denial. Denial. That was me. Second is anger. That's kind of right now. I've been there, yeah. Been there.

Third, you're just about to seep into acceptance. As soon as Monday happens... Third is bargaining. Bargaining. On Monday, you're just going to go talk to Tim. Tim. Come on, man. He just marches right into infinite loop and just like walks around the opposite just make one

for me anyway yeah i think it's dead yeah i'm sorry yeah because otherwise like the max studio is the max city is already an awkward device considering it had the m1 ultra was just a weird chip because the m2 max is almost as powerful by like only undercutting it by like five percent yeah so we don't have an m2 ultra yet no so it's just kind of like yeah it's kind of for right now yeah it is weird yeah so i still want it though that's the thing like if you ask me what i think would happen i have one answer but if you ask me what i want to happen i want tim cook to walk up there and be like marquez bro we finally did it we know you wanted a mac pro and i know most other people weren't going to buy this but we're going to faraday future this and just make a couple of

them and you can you can you can get them i hope they like hybrid it like they admit that it's not coming but they also like publicly admit that so tim cook walks up mac pro and it says it on the screen and he goes unfortunately we will not be doing likely outcome no way in hell apple which i would just if we didn't have live reaction of marquez's face as that happened remember the um that scene where craig federighi was like we keep getting asked this question. Are we going to combine iOS and Mac OS? And then there was just a huge slide. It was just like, no. I picture the same thing with the Mac Pro where Craig Federighi goes like, we keep getting asked about this Mac Pro.

Are we actually going to do it? No. No. And then I just weep. I'm like that meme with the smiling face. Pissed off behind it. and then uh i just weep i'm like that meme with the smiling face the way that you said i i still want it though is like when my mom is like planning on taking me to disneyland and then at some point she's good she's like david i'm sorry honey but like we our finances don't work this year and then i just go but mom i still want it it's yeah i am definitely in bargaining but i will probably have to be an acceptance I still want it, though.

Yeah, I am definitely in bargaining, but I will probably have to be in acceptance pretty soon. We're getting there. What do you want out of Mac Pro? Fair question. Do you want better... Do you want the modularity? Do you want better thermals? Do you want...

Yes. It's hard, though. What is modularity with the new chips really right the chips aren't modular but the gpu part is and i still think that there's a kind of like in logic there are lots of plugins that just make it work in in creator world there are still some gpu heavy tasks and even some custom gpus that just make things work i remember back in the day red had a gpu that they would sell to people and it was like the most weird

just collection of CUDA cores on a chip. And no one who didn't need it would ever buy it for gaming. But if you edited Red footage, my God, was that thing a lifesaver. Yeah. What was the name of that again? It was the-

Red Rocket. It was called the Red Rocket. So let's not talk about that anymore. It was a terrible name. But that world's still real um i think there are still people who would like to stack two 4090s and throw it in a mac and do crazy things with it right there's it's got to be a little bit but also yes thermally i mean i i at this point i only really tax the mac studio at the very highest end of the heaviest edit

where I'm stacking text effects and all kinds of things on my timeline. And at the highest end, I can get it to start to chug and even crash on me. Sorry, Final Cut team, it's true, it happens. So if I could just sort of have the extra headroom of an M2 Ultra or Max or Extreme or whatever and avoid that, it would be the dream machine.

And I would pay extra for the dream machine to have the headroom and never worry about it again. You're still definitely in the bargaining phase. I am. I'm like looking down the barrel. I'm like, I would give you dollars. There were people talking about a potential M1 Extreme as well, which would now be M3 Extreme,

where it's like the M1 Ultra was two m1 maxes fused together this would be like four to eight fused together because you have not want that right because like before you had to cool it right that's why the 4090s and then 240 that's why the the max studio was so thick yeah and it was like it was like two and a half mac mini stacked on top of each other this if if it was in a similar chassis to the mac pro you could do you literally just it's god mode yeah you can do anything i am in open air yeah i love inside the cheese grater that's why i'm thinking like we talked about this already but the old uh darth vader trash can mac pro yeah was ahead of its time because today in that much space

they could do thermally great things right silicon where they had that old intel chip in there and was like it was bad guys one fan really you thought that would work we're eating them so yeah that's my uh bargaining bring back the trash i'm just saying don't bring the track channel back but you can do a mac pro apple you can do it they won't please i hope for your fear your sanity marquez that they don't end DubDub with Mac Pro in a trash can again. Did they ever show the chassis for it? They didn't, right? They just said we're working on it?

Yeah, they just, so I was hanging on to the words at the end. We can move on from this, but I was hanging on to the words at the end of one of their keynotes. And he said, and next we're moving to Mac Pro. And then they left the lab. No, they, so they said, we've finished the Apple Silicon update. Cause remember they made this like two year promise. And they were like, and with that,

we finished the Apple Silicon update, except for one more thing, the Mac Pro. And they said it out loud. They named it. No, I remember. And I was like, oh, so they're still doing a Mac Pro. Great. And that's the last time they ever even said those words in any apple literature or presentation that's the last

time it ever appeared so i've been just i've had that like clip echoing in the back of my head like you said what that one time so if we ever need content for this podcast i just have to say mac pro and marquez has 20 minutes of content for us. Sorry to do this to you. I personally feel bad sometimes. After this week, we will know. It's either never coming out or it's happening. Yeah, that's true. After Monday.

Like if we go through all of DubDub and we don't hear any Mac Pro mentioned, I'm dropping it. It's not coming out. That's the acceptance phase. Yeah, that's the acceptance phase. All right. All right. All right.

Well, we'll accept a trivia question. Since the 1960s, the Santa Clara Valley has been known as the Silicon Valley. Prior to that nickname, it was known as A. The Golden Valley, named after the Golden State. B. The Lally Valley, named after the village in France's Isère region, Lally. C. The Valley of Heart's Delight, for its high concentration of orchards and flowering trees. Or D. Arroyo Diablo. and flowering trees? Or D, Arroyo Diablo?

Arroyo being the Spanish word for a flood basin and Diablo coming from the Diablo Mountains immediately north of Santa Clara. Dang. Wait, don't they have to name the next macOS? Remember every WWDC, they're like, our crack team of developers has come up with a new name for macOS

and they haven't gotten through all the famous places in California yet that sounds like a new macOS but that was the past if it's the right answer or maybe I made that up it just sounds like a good name if it's not the name of the

if it's not the trivia question answer I kind of hope it's the next version of mac os i think they should and i'm from california so i can speak like this i think they should pick one of the bad places in california like mac os barstow yeah exactly they started off with like national parks and like yeah very memorable places and i think it just kind of alcatrazraz. Then it was like... You're trapped. You know, are you going to... That's what it feels like.

That would actually be really fitting. That'd be sick. Okay, Mac OS Alcatraz. That's definitely what they're going to name it. I hope so. We'll be right back after the break. As a Fizz member, you can look forward to free data, big savings on plans, and having your unused data roll over to the following month.

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I am told that we have some questions from you guys on Twitter. Is it just Twitter, I think? We pulled on Twitter. Yeah, okay. So we asked you guys what you wanted to know on Twitter. Fun little pre-WWDC Q&A sesh. Probably questions for any slash all of us. So I haven't seen any of the questions yet.

I will just answer them as we go we can just get into it all right yeah first question from it's gillies 675 on twitter what do you guys actually do during the ad breaks we cough that's actually i mean i feel like there's small like i always like crack open my water bottle and take a drink. We kind of check on what the time is but other than that we usually talk about something and just waste a lot

of time. I just read ads. I've had a lot of people ask if we actually take a break. It seems a very hot topic. Do they think it's like a several minute break or something? Well, because it's like, we'll be right back after the break. It's like, it's a break for you guys but it's not a break for us because we never stop working yeah if you zoomed out you would hear us literally go we'll be right back after the break all right we're back

yeah it's like immediately right back into the break was four microseconds we had like a 30 minute conversation about central jersey one time true fortunately i was not here for that it's like sometimes just some dumb conversations but most of it is usually yeah yeah and sometimes what will happen is like i will be in the peripherals sort of scrolling twitter for brand new in the moment information just in case it relates to like what we're talking about right now and occasionally i'll be like this happened 30 seconds ago breaking news Friday future news yeah like the fish from Spongebob breaking news yeah not much that's not too much that one

while you're enjoying your ads we're already working enjoying your ads I hope you are hey this question was asked by at I am Hammond on twitter hello hammond his first name is actually daniel i definitely recognize that name take it back uh what is one of the biggest features you wish the studio had that it doesn't currently features features well i can speak more car chargers yep yeah thank you i don't even own an ev and i wish there was more i don't even own a v that's wow parking lost it chargers fast internet a studio scream stream internet yeah david and i've been talking about a scream room for whenever like

whenever we're about to send a tweet and instead of getting the anger out by sending the tweet we just go into the studio scream room and scream yeah or like somebody typing too fast and you like unplug the keyboard and you're like no no no take this out some other way out yeah go into the scream room yeah and if we hooked up a twitch stream to it it could be the studio scream stream it'd be like the namibia cam the what the what the who all right now i gotta explain it all right so my little brother shout out mason plays a lot of uh gary's mod on like online gary's mod that game is still popular it is yeah and one year i was visiting him and he was playing gary's mod on a server that he i think he's like visiting him and he was playing Gary's Mod on a server

that I think he's like a moderator in. He's like really in the server a lot. And on his second monitor was a live stream of a watering hole in Namibia. I love those random live streams. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? But it was a thing where everyone on the server had this same stream up.

And so like some random animal would like walk and like start sipping and you'd hear the whole voice chat you're like bro gazelle there's like everyone look at namibia stream the namibia cam and then like the whole thing would just like explode like bro that's so wholesome kids that. That would be us in the scream room. Yeah. There's somebody in there. David was about to tweet again. He's screaming. All right.

Next question from at Cookie Dark Choco, which is a great name. Tasty. For Andrew, fave Taylor Swift album? 1989. Wait, you didn't want to ask me? For Marquez, favorite Taylor Swift album? That isn't 1989. 1979. I'm trying to think.

I know another one. She Wasn't Born Then. Damn. Red? Is that one? Yeah. No, give him the buzz because he didn't say Taylor's version. Oh.

My bad. Come on. So he was right, but he was not ethical about it. Exactly. Yeah. Also, I did not get tickets, but I might try and go to Pittsburgh in like two weeks and get tickets there. Not kidding. Oh, no. yeah also i did not get tickets but i might try and go to pittsburgh in like two weeks and get tickets there oh not kidding oh no well if i can get them within 24 hours i can make it there in six how far would you go to pittsburgh no to like six how far would you go to see tail i think the

only concerts left are like michigan chicago like i'm not gonna fly like i can make it to the only tickets you can get now which i know because i tried all weekend to get them for metlife is like ticketmaster just randomly drops like a couple of them here and there and i was like glued to this twitter account that was posting updates and like refreshing all weekend so if i can get it within 24 hours or even 48 hours i could make it to pittsburgh in time that's the true utility of twitter and i we already have friends who said they're down for this trip as well. You said Pittsburgh? Okay.

Yeah. So Pittsburgh. Fingers crossed. Good to know. Michigan's not too easy or not too hard to drive to either. I feel like that's more than a... Michigan is 13 hours. That's got to be like over 10 hours.

Michigan's 13 hours to get to Lansing. That's a rough drive. To get to Lansing. Yeah. But Taylor Swift's not going to Lansing. Sorry, sorry, Lansing, Michigan. Detroit is only an hour from Lansing, though. Detroit, we don't need to talk about this right now.

I've done the drive a bunch of times from Detroit. Oh, okay. This next question is from Nicholas Bear, at NickBear01. We have standard folding, flipping, and rolling phones, either in production or development. What would be a form factor you would like to see that has not been tried yet?

The wing. Like, sidekick version of, like, opening up something else. Like, maybe that's the best way, because then the screen doesn't have to conform differently. Yo, my LG wing video on Android Authority did so many views. Dude, it went off as our most viewed TikTok still. And as we know, YouTube views translates directly to success.

Exactly. What if the sidekick just was a second screen? So you flipped it up. It was like a normal phone. It wasn't? No, it used to be a keyboard. Oh, right, right, right.

So what if it was just another touch screen and then you have two screens on top of each other? Has that not been tried yet? I don't think so. The wing is kind of it, but that was like to a T with a smaller screen. What if it went screen and then you have two screens on top has that not been tried yet i don't think so the wing is kind of it but that was like to a t with a smaller screen what if it went that way and then

you guys need to smack the lip you're listening to the audio version you're really missing i would prefer that it went that's i i don't think yeah maybe that's not been tried yet that's it's more of that's the only thing i can think of because I'm not creative enough. What has not been tried yet? Crumple phone. I said it a few weeks ago on the podcast. No, but that TCL concept accordion phone. I was going to say accordion.

It never actually came out, but the accordion phone. No, it didn't come out. That was still folding though, right? Yeah. But it was tri-fold. But it was tri-fold. Oh, so that's folding. Crumple phone is like.

Crumple phone. It was what I said on the podcast like a few weeks ago it's a joke but like yeah phone that you can literally just go and then sort of like shake it out like a beach towel so then it's even bigger in your pocket like i think of that when like claire receipts in my pocket literally yeah that's what claire used to grab like poop bags to go on a dog walk and rather than fold them up in nice she would just crumple them i was like now it's this huge thing in my pocket just like folded nice she crumpled it yeah no no not with the poop before picking it up thank god before picking it up i i was when it was just a bad. We need a new question. So bad. Anyway.

Alright, next question. This one's from jmotion0 on Twitter. What's your go-to thing to do to pass the time when the power goes out at home? Marques is about to flex on us. Marques, how often does the power go out at your home? I don't remember the last time that happened no I've had power outages

at my old place which was not that long ago I would light a candle and cause then you could see stuff and then that was kind of it you just sat there in the dark with the candle the wax melt basically

that's actually pretty sick yeah so you meditated is what it sounds like yeah so i don't have working cooking gas already david basically lives in a state of not having power so yeah my only lights that I ever have on in my apartment are like three string lights my power bill last month was $11 that's awesome $11

this is off topic do you know how many kilowatt hours I have no idea I could probably look it up it's probably less than the Prius generates per hour you could just plug the car plug the prius into my apartment but when i was a kid uh we used to we had this like little chandelier over the dinner table and we would put a bunch of candles in it we'd light them we'd make hot chocolate with our gas stove and we would play texas hold'em uh under the light i like that so cards pretty epic i like that it's cool yeah yeah i feel

like it depends on if it's like power out because of like a storm which is normally what it is and just like i don't know storms are kind of fun to watch sometimes like i could watch storms for hours um and then just get your lightning sad that i don't have internet and probably go to bed this is lightning storms are epic lightning storms wind storms like sandy was wild to live through like i went out multiple times when which probably shouldn't have but like i had no power for two weeks so that was i long boarded that night around my block just to say i did it you what you longboarded around i walked down this neighborhood and like in the distance saw this just kind of big shadow in the street and as we walked up it

was somebody's trampoline like just in the middle of the street we had electrical fires everywhere so no one was told not to go outside well you had a crazy flooding in hoboken too right like you couldn't even really get onto the street several feet of water for a night i was mainly i was in beautiful sunny california you guys you don't know what we're talking about. No. I mean, I know her. Sandy was nasty. Yeah, Sandy was nasty. For you guys, for Andrew and David, I asked ChatGPT,

submit a question for the host of the Waveform Podcast Q&A section. That's literally what I typed. Hello, Waveform Podcast team. I've been an avid listener, and I truly appreciate your perspectives on the tech, on the evolving tech landscape. I have a question regarding the intersection of AI and personal privacy. With AI becoming more sophisticated and integrated into

our daily lives, what are some steps we as consumers can take to ensure our personal privacy isn't being compromised? Additionally... We, the AI. Yeah, I can see it with the fake mustache and the glasses. Additionally, how do you foresee the role of AI in shaping our privacy laws in the future? Thanks, and keep up the great show.

I feel like this is one of those things where it's like saying it's giving me an option, but it's actually holding a gun to my head. You don't have to answer that. That's just funny that you asked about AI. I just like how it pretended. We, the consumer. We, the consumer. We, the consumer. Humans?

Do you have real human questions? I do have a real human question. And it is related. This one is from at ultgamer underscore 07. How much, if at all, has your workflow changed since this AI began and how? I think we get asked this a lot. It doesn't, like from what I'm thinking, you guys maybe on the writing side a bit more,

like the most I've really seen it used in the studio is sometimes when we're brainstorming like title, like studio video or waveform title ideas, when we have like a thumbnail already, we'll be like, man've we think it's like this or kind of like this vibe so like let's let chat gpt write 10 options of different ways to word all of this we might have used one at some point or like i remember ellis one time we were doing that other than that i don't really touch it i also don't pay for it so yeah it's like a brainstorming

tool uh i've mostly used it in the writing process for coming up with alliterations alliterations for sure yes and then just random different new angles to look at things so if you ask it a question that i already have my answer to just to see how it answers it sometimes it might throw in a random variable i was like oh i didn't even talk about the size of this phone oh i didn't even talk about the buttons there's just little random stuff it'll come up with so yeah brainstorming process yeah i ask um gpt4 and bard different things on various occasion just to like every time they get a new feature which happens fairly frequently just to sort of keep up with it and then also whenever we we have like these discussions in the office around like different paradoxes and

different things that have not necessarily been answered, like how many holes are in a straw. And I like to ask the AI just to see what it thinks. And generally, it does not help solve the question, but it adds some fun to it. I'm an AI, so I don't really know. As an AI language model. But here's what some people might say.

Yeah, exactly. And then say both answers. Which is basically just saying the answer. Cop out. Yeah, cop out. Yeah, mostly that. I think that, you know, Ellis has been using some AI audio tools.

Tim, I think, should try using some of the AI content or fill stuff. Yeah, especially now that... For thumbnails, because it's just thumbnails, right? And I think this week, Adobe officially added generative fill. They did. I've been playing with it a little bit.

Yeah, it seems really good. Just for meme potential. Yeah. The meme potential is quite high. Yeah. I'm about to put out a studio channel video on this, so you'll get all the details later, but... For audio.

Yeah, I use Auphonic as an audio ai all the time and also i use the runway video machine learning ai all the time it's a runway or runaway runway runway yeah the tool's good yeah it is cool next question this one is from cr underscore C2 CV. How has the framework Chromebook been for David and Mel? More specifically, how has the experience been on Chrome OS? Which is a great question. That is a good question. I've gotten, I've seen a lot of tweets and also messages on Discord of people asking about this.

I got sent it just because I like the idea of the framework framework laptop you can literally like swap out all of the ports so if you don't want an HDMI you can swap it out for a USB-C you can swap out the USB-C for like an audio jack like whatever you want having trouble doing it right now which is you know but you can you can swap out a million things the Chrome OS one um is expensive for a chromebook and i think i still kind of maintain that chromebooks like only have a space in being cheap um there are like a lot more there are a lot of expensive chromebooks that are quite good it's just that the point of chrome os is not to do difficult heavy tasks uh if you have an android phone and you don't do heavy creative tasks there are a lot of integrations with chrome os and android which is cool like you can message through google messages right on chrome os you can get your notifications on there technically

you can boot android apps on chrome os and use them which is cool and they added that you can technically also do that with iOS on macOS, but nobody ever does because it's just like the shape of an iPhone and it's the shape of an Android phone on this. And it's like, why would you do that? For the podcast, super easy, super great. My main problem with it right now is that the standby battery life is not very good. And battery life on chrome os is

also supposed to be one of the main reasons that you buy them um but i leave this like i leave the lid closed and if i don't use it for a week i would expect a chromebook to still have battery left but it always dies so i have to plug it in the day before um beyond that though the hardware is super good keyboard isboard is really good. I love the expandability. You can swap out the display panel, and it has these clickers for turning on and off the ability for it to use the microphone or the webcam. Hard switches for that. Basically, every single part of it is hot swappable, which is really awesome.

is hot swappable, which is really awesome. I'm most interested in trying the Windows version of this and also specifically the 16-inch when that comes out, which has like a modular GPU aspect. And you can also swap out the speakers for like LED light panels and stuff. That seems a lot more like the future of framework. I, yeah, Chrome OS is, it's a really interesting concept, but considering like the a lot

of the benefits of it like battery life have been very upended by m1 it's hard to recommend expensive chromebooks yeah the main advantage of chromebooks being that they can be so cheap and get 90 something percent of what you normally do on a laptop. Yeah. And I can't run Arc on it because it's Chrome only. That's a great internet. Now, I've heard good things about the framework, the 16-inch one, the modular GPU, all this stuff that you just don't see in other laptops, which is really interesting.

When it comes out. When it does come out. Yeah, they announced it. So, yeah, I have got a bazillion questions on it. I would really love to try the windows version so framework if you hear this and you want to send me a windows version let me know i'm derby to mel on twitter um yeah send it send it do it i'm gonna try and wrap a lot of questions that we got asked into one because they're all sort of circling around each other.

Interesting. Pixel Fold, are you excited? Are you not excited? Will it be disruptive? Will it be a blurp? And then finally, who is going to Daily One when it comes out? I am absolutely going to try it for a little bit. 100%. I am excited about it.

The other question, will it be disruptive? I don't think so yeah it can be one thousand eight hundred dollars there's a lot of really good foldable phones right now it can be not disruptive and still not a blurp though like yeah that's yeah i would say like in the middle there i don't think it's gonna be disruptive it's not undercutting samsung and stuff like that but it's i think software wise it will be much more important than it is hardware wise yeah i agree because of what's going on with android 14 and obviously what google is doing with optimizations for folding phones so the fact that they the fact that it exists will make it important but it won't have any sort of what's the word uh when it like interrupts the market disruptive it won't be disruptive yeah it will just it will help move things forward yeah i think

that what's interesting is there was this article that was circulating this week that said that Google was originally going to launch it a little bit ago, but they didn't think it was good enough. So they waited and they kept refining it. But yet it's still kind of feels like a first gen foldable from Google. The hardware is really high quality. But I feel like the refinements of like, I know everyone, like there's a huge debate about the bezel size, but when you compare that to the other more mature foldables on the market, like the Z fold, it is kind of hard to look past.

I'm really, yeah. And then also the crease seems more intense than other foldables as well. Yeah. I mean, I spent very little time with it, so I don't know enough if I can say the crease was that different from others, but I do want to daily and use it because I feel like this is going to help me instruct my, obviously, I'm going to review it. I'm going to really put it to the test.

But this is the type of phone that I would use and almost never recommend. It's one of those. Yeah. It's the Omega nerd phone. Yeah. It's interesting though. It's one of those. Yeah. So the Omega nerd phone. Yeah. It's interesting though. I'm excited for it.

Yeah. I love having all the pixel features on a foldable. I think that's what everyone's been wanting for a long time. You had to choose between the two and now you get both. Yeah. And we'll see if that bezel gets annoying or if I'm just like, wow, the selfie camera is better and real. Yeah.

Right. That's true. This question is from Justinin g1419 on twitter never thought i'd say this but as a fellow millennial i'd love more videos like this one already andrew magneli's lawnmower review do you guys have any other recommendations for home maintenance related tech you use a lot of the ego stuff right home i wouldn't say a lot uh you have a couple you have the snowblower i just have a snowblower you don't have like the leaf blower or the string trimmer i bought a leaf blower a long time ago so i haven't done that but i have

blown a snowblower the same thing no no different things very different very different okay think of it as like a snow thrower oh okay yeah one of them's for leaves and one of them's for snow surprised you didn't know that thanks david so i have the ego snow blower and i bought it right before we got zero snow for an entire winter yeah we get anything so i've had those chargers on the battery on the charger like all winter and never used them but yeah theoretically there's a whole ecosystem of products but i have like a plug-in uh i call it an air rake i don't know if anyone else calls it that air leaf blower air rake that's kind of i have a plug-in leaf blower with a hundred foot extension cable so i can walk around with an electric leaf blower but it doesn't

use the batteries so yeah i mean it seems like the lawnmower is the sort of apex of it doesn't get any better it's like the flagship i've been thoroughly enjoying it by the way still love it um yeah i have a bunch of other ego stuff and then other than that it's like it's not super techie but just all power tools are electric at this point and you kind of buy into an ecosystem so i'm in the milwaukee ecosystem mostly what the hell is that wait what's the other ecosystem it's like the two main ones right Milwaukee's the yellow one DeWalt DeWalt is huge but there's still like Ryobi and Black and Decker yeah and they all have a color what's the blue one Rhino or something Cobalt

Cobalt yeah there's a lot of them there's a lot Cobalt is blue yeah I got into Milwaukee just because my brother-in-law has every single Milwaukee tool you could ever think of. So it's very easy for me to go borrow and still use all my battery chargers and stuff. But, like, the ego stuff felt a little more like there was a bit more in it. That's why I made a video. Whereas, like, my impact driver just has a battery that I use for my drill as well. I was just picturing, like, that conversation we had earlier about like 14 standards.

Now there's 15 and I'm just like, what if, what if Milwaukee just started using DeWalt's charger or something? Like how weird would that be? It would just be such an odd thing for them to do. They're not going to collab ever. Do you have power tools? What do you use?

I do. I have one. What's the yellow one? DeWalt. DeWalt. I have one power drill and that's my only power to get an impact driver impact driver i mean i don't have to hang that many things it's just worth it oh it's just it's awesome to have it's the power the question asked

about um home maintenance so i will give the shout out that dyson was probably hoping i would give a thousand times the dysonyson vacuum. It's incredible. I highly recommend it. We bought one finally the other day. Claire was using it and she's like, why did we not buy this? And I told her, I was like, Marques used to try to convince me at work all the time and I was like, no, it doesn't make sense for us. And now we have it.

And you walk around from room to room. We have not touched the other vacuum since then. It was like 400 bucks. Best $ 400 we've spent yeah my favorite home appliance is the propane uh camping stove that i use because i don't have working cooking gas wait so nice nice we'll put the affiliate link to that in the show notes like it's on the floor no it's on top of my stove oh i see like i mean you could put it on the floor if you wanted to okay if you really wanted to cook the floor soup you know but i cook it on the stove but on

top of it yeah on top this question brought to you by being old and living in the oldest building in your apartment maintenance inance. In your neighborhood. Anyway. Yeah. One more? I want to sue your landlord. I want to sue them so bad. Someone to sue your landlord. Mr. Landlord, if you're listening to this.

Yeah. What's his name? Say it. Doxon. Where do you live? Name of shame. All I'll say is that they said that they would fix it eight months ago, and it's been eight months. Damn. You should get it in writing

so you can sue them. Yeah. Oh, I have it in writing. I would just stop paying. Anyway. Anyway! Sorry, guys. This last question I think we've done quite enough. Wow. This last question comes from Harsh Patel at Harsh Pats.

We just saw David take a lovely vacation with his 50 different cameras. I only brought six. Would love to know more about everyone else's favorite cameras. Wait, that's it? Wait, favorite vacations? Well, everyone else's favorite vacations they've had or are planning, but. Oh, vacations.

Yeah. Not cameras. I thought you said. David said cameras. Sorry. Oh, man. I thought this was... David said cameras. Sorry. Oh. Oh, man. I thought this was the one asking what your favorite photo you ever took was.

And I had a favorite photo. Well, are you on a vacation when you took the photo? I was. Okay. I have to find the photo. That part's going to be tough. Is that the one with the valley with the X100? The crazy goat picture?

No, it's the goat picture. Goat picture? I have a... He's got a gnarly goat picture LeBron James was not happy yeah I'll let you guys talk why I find this was it amateur or was it with your goat pro goat pro goat amateur Jesus favorite vacation you've ever been on favorite vacation I mean Hawaii is my favorite place to vacation. I think I've been three times now. Hmm. I like Hawaii. I've only been to one island, though, so I should probably...

Yo! Right? That's a pretty nice picture. That's a goat, dude! Damn! That's the hardest core goat you've ever seen. That's a mountain goat. Yeah.

Christ. And you finally found a picture. That's really sharp. It's really sharp, right? what'd you take that with uh a7r2 with uh like 24 to 105 um we were pretty close to it because of the place we hiked we were in glacier national park which i think i have to say is like also my favorite vacation because i also got engaged during that trip so that was a lot of fun but the wildlife is crazy this it was this uh trail where it was really snow clovered so not many people hiked up it and there's just

a group of mountain goats up there and like i'm behind a walkway but i have like the camera through the walk the little like guardrail and then zoomed in on it and then i can't find the other picture but the next one it looks straight at me and and I go like, I'm too close here. It's time to leave. It's going to ram you. But yeah, this is probably my favorite picture I've ever taken. That does remind me of, I did go to Yosemite National Park once when I was a kid.

And we went into the Redwood Forest at a picnic table and started eating. And the ravens would kind of just sort of sort of chill like they didn't like come up to you like pigeons in new york city but they would like happily like swoop down yeah investigate and i was super into ravens at the time so i was like yes that's sick look at these big birds they're smart we did a a hike in yosemite up towards the top it kind of like overlooks the whole valley and while you're up there, the ravens are just flying around where you are because you're on

this little ridge. Yeah. And if you walk away from your backpacks, they jump over to your backpacks and start opening like undoing the zippers. Yeah, they're smart birds. That's fire. I love Yosemite. I've been there many times. I was there in October and it is freaking beautiful. It really is.

I would love to go to a glacier at some point. You definitely should and I will tell you all the good places to go. I'm going in October and it is freaking beautiful. It really is. I would love to go to Glacier at some point. You definitely should and I will tell you all the good places to go. I'm going to free solo El Cap. Sick. No cap. Do what you want. No cap El Cap. I don't know if I could pick a favorite place. There's too many that I've been to and they're all pretty.

Humble Flex. Is Iceland in the top 50% or bottom 50%?eland's up there because it feels like mars uh other ones i love i love like the remote parts of denmark i love portugal i love japan what was the mountain you took i keep wanting to call it the toblerone but oh oh the matterhorn matterhorn yeahhorn. Yeah. That was like, uh, that picture is incredible.

Yeah. There's like a really remote village in Switzerland. Um, trying to remember what it's called. You have to take like a four hour wooden rickety train there. And it was blizzarding when I was going at 2am and I was like, I'm going to get blown off these tracks. I got there and I'm like walking through the village and there's just

these insanely rich people that are walking towards me at like two in the morning um and they're like welcome to zermatt and it was like two in the morning you're in a movie holy crap yeah and then the matterhorn is just there like looming over the looming that's awesome it was nuts so cool anyway it's very cool. It's a good one to end it on. Very pretty place. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we should go over the questions that you guys had for us at the very end. The trivia questions. The best questions, some would say. All right. Quick recap on the score. Marquez with 18. Andrew with 15. David with 19. with 18, Andrew with 15, David with 19. In 2005, Motorola launched the Razer V3i,

adopting the i to signal a collab with Apple. What Apple software did the phone have built in? Write your answers. 1994? 2005? Where on earth did he get that number? This is really difficult. I feel like they wouldn't allow this.

Final cut's on everything now. Alright, flip them and read. What do you got? We all put the same thing. We all put the same one. Which is iTunes. iTunes. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, cool. Nice. Yeah, this was a weird time. I'm surprised they allowed that. Yeah, they had iPods and they were like, well, what if phones had iTunes? Before the iPhone.

Before the iPhone. But I bet it had way less storage and then people were like, well, I'll just get it. So there was a caveat there. Despite the fact that you should have been able to hold, you know, closer to like 400 songs given the memory on this Razer or like the maximum expandable memory possible, depending on which flash of the ROM you had,

you were limited to either 50 or 100 songs, even if you had the space for it. The other caveat is that you could only play U2's album that got preloaded. I could see that actually being... Yeah, that's pretty classic Apple. I'm joking, Ellis. No, yeah, but the limiting of the songs is very

Apple. Right, but U2's Vertigo came out in 2004, meaning there's a chance. I just think that song is ridiculous. so you're saying there's a chance yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there was a special u2 ipod classic which is amazing all right this next one is multiple choice uh remember it's about the silicon valley also known as the santa clara valley that's its actual name yeah before it was known as Silicon Valley, it was known as A, the Golden Valley,

named after the Golden State. For those outside the U.S., all 50 states each have like a nickname. Like New York is the Empire State. California is the Golden State. New Jersey is the Porpoise State. That one's not true. New Jersey is in fact-

People outside of here don't need to know that. That's true. Do you know what it is, Ellis? Of course, it's the Garden State. Yeah. Is there that many gardens here? That's why I think about every state name. Every state name, I go, are there that many, though?

Sunshine State, really? There are that many suns. Lots of sunshines. Georgia, Peach, really? Peach State? Is that actually what it is, the Peach State? I think that's their license plate, actually. A or excuse me golden valley golden valley the lally valley named after the village of lally in the french is air region how do you spell that lally yeah

exactly like valley but with an l oh really lally valley l-a-l-l-e-y yeah yes lally valley had to double check but if it's real yeah anyway the lally valley again named after the village of lally in the french it's like region uh of is air and that took me a long time to figure out how to pronounce c the valley of heart's delight named for its high concentration of orchards and flowering fruits. Or D, Arroyo Diablo, Arroyo being the Spanish word for a flood basin, and Diablo coming from the Diablo Mountains immediately north of Santa Clara.

This is difficult. Good job. This is not tech at all. No. Silicon Valley, baby. Yeah, it's tech adjacent that's it wasn't Silicon Valley though no amount of tech knowledge would help us answer this question uh that's true the internet could that's I'm gonna ask Chad GPT just kidding I wrote an answer I'm nervous David what did you put Just kidding. I wrote an answer. I'm nervous. David, what did you put?

Who wants to go first? I put B. So, the Lally Valley? Yeah. Sorry. I put the Lally Valley. Nice. I put Arroyo. I, dang. I put the Lally Valley. Nice. I put Arroyo.

I put D. It was C, wasn't it? It was, in fact, C, the Valley of Hearts Delights. But I do appreciate that both of you guys thought the Lally Valley. Okay, so hold on, hold on. So, like, when I asked you to spell it, you didn't look and spell it down. I was like, it's definitely not that. But then you, like, did a really good job saving yourself about, like, saying, like like did a really good job saving yourself about like no lally is a real city in france it has a population of about 300 and it is in fact in the region of is there yeah it just has nothing to do

with so my yeah my two guesses were gonna be that because there's so much wine made in the sonoma valley excellent which is very close to the Silicon Valley. That's exactly what I was thinking. And I definitely didn't just Google the word lally and backform that word. No, of course not. Yeah. Stupid. Wait, you didn't, right?

No, I did. I just Googled the word lally because I thought lally valley sounded really funny. And then, you know, backformed the answer. Wow, I wish I was French. Yeah, he got you guys. All right. you know back formed the the answer wow i wish i was french yeah he got you guys all right the c the reason i almost put c which is i guess real because there's a lot of fruit in california yeah you can pick it off the trees there's lots of orchards but the problem is there

are lots of orchards all throughout california not just that area of california is d a real place uh probably there's lots of places in California that start with Arroyo because California has lots of Arroyos I just figure there's so many Spanish named Los Angeles like everything San Andres everything south is like Spanish named I just figured it was another Spanish name yeah well the US

bought California from Mexico right Arroyo Diablo is actually in Texas also bought is a strong word for when it went down. Yeah. On that note, thanks for watching the Waveform Podcast where you can always expect

a whole bunch of tech and just a little bit of history on the side. Hope you learned something today. Thanks for watching and listening. Hopefully you'll catch us with a very special, out of your typical scheduled programming episode during WWDC week. Stay tuned to the feed. Expect it.

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