We Are Chelsea - We Are Chelsea LIVE! With Claire Rafferty and Anita Asante

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

This is We are Chelsea, the official podcast of Chelsea Women, brought to you in association with Škoda, the official car partner of Chelsea Women and proud supporters of women's sport. www.skoda.co.uk Caz De Moraes brings you another live show from Stamford Bridge as she's joined on stage by former Chelsea and England team-mates Claire Rafferty and Anita Asante. They bring you all the inside stories from World Cups, Olympics and the Chelsea derby days. You'll find out about an incident with kippers, Claire's ponytail and some wonky tattoos. To watch the full episode on YouTube, click here: https://www.youtube.com/@chelseafc/videos Send us your questions to [e-mail] #WeAreChelsea Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to We Are Chelsea Live from Stamford Bridge. We are so excited to be here. And of course, we are sponsored by Skoda, who are the official car partner for Chelsea Women, and they are proud supporters of women's sport. So give Skoda a big, massive cheer. We've got fancy new water bottles. Are you guys excited for the show?

Yeah. Let's welcome on our guest. Well, my first guest, she is incredible. She played for Arsenal and Chelsea Women's. She was a lioness, and she played for Great Britain in the Olympics. Please welcome Anita Asanti. And my next guest, I'm happy. was a Chelsea Centurion.

She also was an Olympian and a lioness. Please welcome Claire Rafferty. Thank you for coming on. You both got your... Yeah, you've got your mics. How are you both? First time on the pod.

I'm sorry it's an early morning one. It's okay. I've had my coffee. It's fine. Well, Arsenal, Chelsea, I'm going to have to start with Derby Day and we'll get that out the way and then we'll get all the fun things going

can you just tell me what it was like on Derby Day? What are those players feeling? It's tense Yeah, it's intense I mean the intensity goes up massively I think any player that comes in especially when you get new signings foreign players they're educated quickly

on what it means to put that show on on Derby Day and you've been on both sides as well I've been on both sides of it so you know obviously when I was an Arsenal player going back

the rivalry wasn't as strong I don't think with Chelsea those days because we had Fulham, Charlton and teams like that but when I came back in 2018 and played for Chelsea I knew quickly that

London better be blue and even in training everything gets amplified like you do a rondo and you know most players you're like oh just take it easy two touch one touch and i remember going into a rondo with milly bright and i was like we're going to war it didn't come out of it i think um i actually remember before we ever beat arsenal so there was like a mental block whenever we used to play against them and this this rivalry always has a bit of a bite now before we were the underdogs and actually remember and i don't know it's if if you

remember as well. Emma Hayes used to actually make the opposition team in training wear Arsenal kits so that we got used to, I don't know whether it's the red, or just like kind of used to, I used to play like the crowd noises as well. So I think that helped. I think the first time we actually beat Arsenal was 2014. Yeah, and from there, it's been obviously back and forth and it's been a very tight, energetic and feisty competition. And all the players, you know, they get home after those types of sessions and they're probably dreaming about Arsenal, the crowd noise, you know, up until that game, ready for it. But yeah, obviously it's a big game because they're both top sides with quality players and, you know, everyone's competitive. A lot of them

are national teammates, but on Derby Day that goes out the window. But what is that like being rivals but then teammates when you're obviously playing for your country? Is it odd? when you're on the pitch to just be like, no, you're not my mate. I think you just zone out. Like, you just focus on the day and your teammates and like all the preparation that you put in, going into it.

And afterwards, you hope that your mates afterwards. You know, you might put in, you stick a few tackles in and whatever, and then you talk about it later. But at the end of the day, they're professionals, everyone wants to win. Yeah, but wait a minute, when you've played just played Arsenal,

I remember one time playing Arsenal, and then we'd have to get a car to, England camp and then we both be in the same car so you just played against each other and you're sitting in one of the big cars and you're like literally facing each other so you'd be given a little bit of daggers after the first hour of the journey I think it just died down but I do I do remember that yeah exactly exactly yeah I was going to say because you'll need a bit of time to cool off your emotions can't just switch off like that no I mean like like raff said you know you you play the game you celebrate with your teammates you get in those cars you're hoping that

you're stuck with your club teammate and not your position. Clearly Nietzsche used to request her own private car then. Give me the one by myself. And then you know, you give it like, what, 45 minutes or so for it to just everyone to calm down and then someone to crack a joke. Normally you find someone like Raff or, you know, Jill or someone else to sort of break the tension with something ridiculous.

Just being myself really, probably. People are to laugh at me. What was the transition like to professionalism? How did Chelsea change so much? Because I've heard things like Fran said that she signed her contract at a gas station. I'm like, what? That would never happen now. No, it's changed massively.

I remember the first time I signed at Chelsea from Arsenal. And this was back in 2008. and my dad came in to the signing with me and my dad doesn't know anything about signing contracts or negotiation in fact I think he was like yeah that sounds great I'm no longer taxi she'll take that that's fine

you know and all of that so that's what it was like at the time of Sean Gore I think I met with and you know and I was like I want this challenge I want to come to the club you know fast forward several years later back in the end of 2017 and I sign again, you know, I had probably several calls with Emma Hayes. And over the course at the time, yeah, I was in Sweden. When you're coming back home, you're coming back home.

Come on, come back home, like constantly. So when I had it, it was, you know, proper formal meetings. It's like a sales pitch, isn't it, in the end? Like the infrastructure and what can offer you in terms of development outside and inside of the club. Yeah, I felt way more professional, you know, it wasn't, you know, come meet me at the services or at the pub or whatever. So, yeah, there's a massive progression there.

And Claire, you got to lift Chelsea's FA Cup. You got to lift the first ever WSL title. Like, what was that feeling like when you knew, I guess, what the goals were and what the five-year plan, the 10-year plan was and finally getting that silverware for the first time? Yeah, I think it was probably the best year of my life when I look back on it in terms of we won, the league, we won the FA Cup, and then also with England, we won the bronze medal in that same

year. So 2015 was an amazing year, but when I look, you know, ahead of that year and what I actually took to get to that stage, there was lots of turnover of players. I remember when Emma Hayes came in, first of all, she got rid of quite a lot of players because she wanted to install winning mentality, and that mentality isn't installed overnight. There was a, you know, two, three, four-year period where we actually weren't great at all. There was lots of players coming in, some big signings. We signed two Icelandic players and a Brazilian and Swedish, and it was like the first time the league was doing that.

So in terms of changing the game, that's what that looked like. But for me personally, it was, oh, there's someone else going to come in to take my position. I need to improve. I need to keep pushing. So it makes you as an individual want to be better. And that in turn, you know, changes the mentality of the team. And that first, as I mentioned, just bringing it back to, obviously, the Arsenal and the winning mentality around that in 2014.

It was the first time we beat them. We went on in 2015 and were able to beat these bigger clubs at Man City, Arsenal. And, yeah, eventually win the title and win the FA Cup, which was just incredible alongside the likes of Katie Chapman as well, which was, who's an amazing leader. How did it feel having, I guess, loads of foreign players coming in? Because now it's just so normal. that's what we see, but I guess cultural barriers, language barriers and you're having to be

teammates, how did it feel back then when it was so new and it wasn't the norm? It was, I felt for them also because I think the infrastructure in the club wasn't there to help them transition from, from, you know, their culture to ours in terms of, you know, how do we even pay the bills, pay the council tax, all that kind of things that go into moving country. Well, we spoke to Aggie. She didn't know what council tax was. Well, that's terrible.

That's not surprising at all, to be honest. She was like, I can't believe someone had to explain council tax. I was like, you and me both, Aggie, you and me both. Yeah, I think it's difficult. I mean, you all know Needs because you've played in a different country. I only ever played for Chelsea and then I played in West Ham so I've only ever been around London. I feel a little bit on culture. I think Neitz is probably the best place to answer this in terms of what it feels like personally.

Yeah, for me, it was different experience because I went to play in America when I left England. and played with loads of foreign players, you know, in those teams. And then when I moved to Sweden, obviously got the experience of playing with lots of Scandinavian players. So when I came to Chelsea, it was great to be surrounded by, you know, Magda Erickson, Marion Mielder, all those players. Because, you know, they bring their cultures with them. Their sense of fun, their sense of calmness,

the sense of leadership and responsibility. and also just like language, you know, it took me six years to learn Swedish to a decent level. So when I came into Chelsea and was surrounded with those players, you know, we could just practice. With each other, I could practice. They could take the Mickey out of me trying to speak Swedish or Norwegian or whatever.

And I think the girls enjoyed that. I think it made us learn about each other, you know, in a better way. And I think it just adds so much more value to football as well. because you learn a lot from those players and their football experiences as well. But now moving on to England camp, I want to know the day-to-day at England what it was like, were you rooming together,

were you not, who places on the coach, all of the stuff. What was it like in England camp? Who was the quiet one? Who was the loud one? Who was the Joker? Tell me everything. Oh, I think, obviously, England camp,

it depended on who the manager was at the time, but the majority of the time it was hope out for England and for the Olympics as well. And she ran a tight, a tight ship. Yeah. It was, you know, bedtime at a certain time. Obviously, you get told what time you're eating, what time you're going training.

Would you room with people? Yeah, so I was always with Ellen White. I remember actually when I first got picked for England. I thought, what can be a better way of introducing yourself to the team then just like winding up some of the more senior players? So I focus my efforts on Farrow Williams and Rachel Brown. and me and Ellen used to go around just pulling prank so I think the first thing I did

to Farrow was at lunch there was some car kippers or mackerel I think there was I got the mackerel managed to get into a room and put it under a bed and put it in her boots

and I regretted that I was giving it brilliant ways to make friends I mean it was yeah it wasn't a great start and then I regretted that because what happened was I think the next trip we went to Switzerland

and me and Ellen came back to our room one day and there was like what is it like the rap all around the toilet A cling film? Yeah, cling film They've thrown our beds up so down I had these brand new shoes, white shoes like these pumps that I absolutely loved

and I'd like saved up ages to buy them and Farrow left and right on the wrong foot and they were right so I just had to cut them in when we felt it yeah so there was a lot of fun your pumps yeah I love them so much as well as gutted and then I stopped

because I was like you know what you win do you know what's hard with that I was going to say pranks you want to outdo them and if there's one thing I know about athletes is that you're all really competitive so it's just going to grow and grow you've got to hit the nail on the head there yeah I had to stop it before he got it got too bad

Anita do you have a favourite memory of Claire from the England camp yeah I do actually I remember once I well this is during the World Cup and we're playing France and I'm thinking, you know, it was a really tough game for us, quarter-final, and I see Claire warming up on the sideline,

and I don't think she was expecting to feature at all, you know, in this game. I was eating sweets, I was watching, I told me I wasn't really going to participate in the World Cup. I was there to learn because I was quite young. Okay. And then, yeah. Yeah, and there she is, and I'm thinking, like, we're all knackered. It's going to extra time, seeing fresh legs come on.

I knew her as a team. I think, like, you know, Claire's going to come in and shore up the shop at left back. she comes into the game and then she's like I've got to play against Elodie to me yeah it's like the fastest play I've ever seen in the wild

I swear she was like the female you soon bolt yeah I don't know if anyone remembers her but she was so rapid and I just went white I think hope was out come on you're going on

I think Rachel unit came off because this play was so fast and yeah I mean let's just say the game didn't go too well I didn't make any mistakes during the game but I did offer to take a penalty and missed

So that was a great introduction But I learned a lot about myself Character building Yeah But my other favourite memory has to be the Olympics So you know This is the pre-camp before we get to the village and everything And we have a day off

So we go into town I think we're where was it in the Midlands somewhere Like Coventry And then the girls are like Leah let's go and get tattoos Let's go and get the Olympics Wait a minute Let's start this again

Me and Jill said we were going to get tattoos The whole team agreed that they were going to get them with us. Oh, the rings. Tattoes are the rings. Okay, yeah, there's lots of Olympians. So everyone's gone, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get them, fine. Me and Jill said, oh, we'll go first. We went and got ours done.

Okay. Look behind us, everyone had left. So me and Jill have got matching tattoos. Enniz is meant to have the same tattoo. The whole team is meant to, and they don't. So I just actually have invited a tattoo artist in today. Let me welcome a door. I was there for moral support.

That's why I was there. for. Okay. You'd never actually agreed. Well, this is meant to be my teammate, you know, you meant to go to war together. I informally agreed and then they went in, they came out, we saw the outcome. You saw the eggs. They were meant to be circles and they were like eggs.

Oh, so they look terrible. Yeah, they look terrible. I've still got mine and just. Okay. So I don't blame you now. Right? That is a smart thing. That is for life.

Yeah, we go down together. No. No, no. Tatues are confirmed I'm on your side and the rest of the team. Yeah. So you've got some lovely Olympian eggs on your. I do. body i do but luckily we had jill on i should have got her to show me her age no wonder she

kept that quiet with all the stories so exactly and is there a story of someone's ponytail i know you're going to bring this up okay so we were playing against france again it's always seemed to be france playing against france again but it was in the she-beliebes cup in america I can't remember what year was, maybe 2016 and I'm playing left back and we're defending a corner and I'm tasked with marking Wendy Renard she jumps up

she doesn't need to jump against me because she's tall, I'm tiny she was always going to win the header anyway as she jumps up she pulls my hair bearing in mind I wanted a long ponytail so I had clippings in my hair to make it longer

and as she jumped up she pulled my hair and with that came my ponytail so she's standing there with my ponytail in her hands and I'm like my first thought is my hair have I still got any left like has she pulled the rest of it luckily it was fine

but I grabbed it off her because it was expensive I was like I want that back I can be used that it's a clip it anyway and then I didn't know what to do with it because the game was still playing. So I gave it to the goalkeeper KB at the time. And she was like, what do I do with it?

And I said, just put it next to the goal. And I just remember the whole game, I was just looking at it. So I was like, I hope it's okay. And then after the game, I went and picked it up. And then I was like, I'm walking around with the hair and my hand. So I didn't where to put it. So I put it down my job. I put it in.

It was just funny. Luckily, I don't think the game, weren't as televised. It was televised, but it wasn't as televised as it is now. I did get some free hair from TikTok. From Twitter though, someone, someone, because I think all the girls were posting a picture of it. Tony Doggan, I think. She posted a picture of me because there's a bit picture. I got some free hair out of it, so win-win. They definitely win, yeah. Hair sponsor for Claire. I don't wear them anymore. Well, maybe the sponsorship will come back, Claire, and then you will.

Can we talk about the lip-sink video? because I dig this out can we not so cringe it is so cringe but also KB that was your roommate again you should have had a word of her was it her idea just the instigator can I just say if you haven't seen it please Google reach for the stars what when was it it was in 2012 yeah it was a head of the Olympics very very funny Jill looking very young Alex looking quite funny in it as well it's just Whose idea was it? Well, it was KB's idea. She was like, let's get a team dance and video together.

Because you can imagine the enthusiasm. Yeah, the song was a theme, wasn't it? Yeah, it was the theme of the competition, reached for the stars. And naturally, you know, Jill's one of the first ones to be like, yeah, I'm all in. Yeah, of course she is. And then everyone else is like, here we go.

So a lot of choreography are badly timed as well on that coach ride. and I actually think my wife said to me recently thank God I married you now because the lip-syncing is awful I think that might be the video it's got to be the video the timing can't be that bad this podcast is brought to you by Scoda the official car partner of Chelsea women

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That they've played with. That they've played with. Yeah. Should I tell you? Yeah. We'd like to know. I reckon. No, go on.

You've got an idea? No. It was you, Anita. Oh, really? Oh, wow. They really bigged you up and... Well, that me. I know, Claire, to be honest, to be honest, I'd have a word.

Get on WhatsApp. No, to be fair, they do have a strong point there. How does it feel knowing that Jill and Kaz picked you? I mean, we talked about it at length, but do you feel that you were underrated when you were playing? I'm massively putting you on the spot. Sorry. Big yourself up.

No, I mean, for my teammates to say that, I think, is the best thing ever. That's what you want. The players that you played with to rent. recognize you as a player and your contributions and all of that. And I think in terms of being underrated, you know, football is a matter of opinions and lots of public opinions. And for me, all that matters is my teammates rated me. You know, people that watched hopefully thought I played well for all the clubs I play

for and my country, obviously. But I think sometimes the positions you play and the roles you feel, the work you do can be understated compared to some of the very obvious things you can see from players sometimes and that can get missed but the players that you work with and you work towards those

kind of game plans and the preparation see what you do and put in to get there so for me that I mean coming from Kaz and you know who Jill referred to as mute as she did pretty much as you did is a very big compliment

and obviously you know both of those players I've enjoyed playing with a really long time and you know Jill especially I think is one of the glues of our national team has always been that and you know there's so many stories with her in particular where

you know we'd go into each other's rooms and any we used to pick on any quite a bit sorry any and just remove all her furniture like her bed you know her beding everything she'd come back she'd be like where's all my stuff like where's my bed where's my bed where's my chairs, everything, all the time. And in the World Cup, we went to China, and we had a day off.

And they're like, let's go shopping. So you know what it's like there? Everyone's offering you DVDs with, you know, the copies where there's people's heads in the front foreground and everything. So they're coming back, stacked with all these DVDs, like, guys, look what I've got. Like, one tree hill and all this stuff. Buzzing. And then they're like, oh, we've found this shop where they do all these, like, designer handbags.

Let's go down in there. So this guy, he's like waving at us. Come in, come in. So we'll go in, into the shop. And then he's like, oh, I've got the best bags in the back. Just down the stairs. Come with us. I'm like, guys, this looks dodgy.

Yeah. Okay, I'm glad you said that. Yeah. We're like, we're a thousand miles away. No one knows we're here. Yeah. We should probably go back. Probably didn't even have phones back then either.

Did you? They didn't have phones. Nothing. So they're like, yeah, come in. Jill's like, come on guys. It'll be fine. You know what Jill's like, live in the moment. Yeah.

So. we go down next minute there's like American tourists in there looking at bags and the guys locked the door behind us and I'm thinking we're going to be here forever. I love you mum and dad. Oh no. Yeah but you know at the end of it they got their knock off Louis Vuitton so

everyone was fine. Everyone was happy it was fine in the end. I was genuinely worried when you said he locked the door. It felt like it was going into a horror movie. I didn't know where this podcast was going to go to be honest. I didn't either I thought it was just going to turn it to true crime in a second. And he's still in there And you're still there?

Oh my God. Well, how far will Jill go for a knockoff handbag? Exactly. Now you know. I think you're right, though, in terms of the glue. She is that, isn't she? The way she interacts with people. But coming back to you as well, I see that you've diverted that because you're talking about yourself.

She did. I remember the first time that you came to Chelsea and I remember I was in Orchette, you know, this amazing player from Arsenal. But I didn't know what to expect. and I think the lessons that I learned from you, you may not know it now, but I can really vividly remember the first ground we played at, which was the Metropolitan.

And you were just so calm and kind. And I think the kindness that Anita portrays is probably infectious on the pitch because it's about how you speak to each other as teammates. I think that's one of the most important things that I took on board from you, but also just the tactical awareness and the, yeah, you just were always there.

I felt like on the pitch, it was always there to break things up and start the play. So she wasn't loud. She wasn't aggressive. No, but you don't have to be when your actions speak louder than your words. Oh, very good from Claire. Oh, that was lovely, that wasn't it?

Get this in each time. Lap it up. I am. Right, we're going to play a game. So this is meant to be a little bit quick fire. One thing that fans wouldn't know about you is. You got one? Quick no.

Quick fire. I've got grey birthmark. Have you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, people think I diet. I don't. Yeah, because that is the trend now, isn't it? Love that.

Did everyone see it? She's also got egg tattoos, if anyone wants to respect those later. Anita, have you got a lovely birthmark? No, well, I probably do. No, actually, I won the championship in America, and I got to go to the White House and meet Barack Obama.

and not many people know that even my sister didn't know that and was like what when did that happen how do I not know this back in 2009 incredible experience and actually was kind of a whirlwind it was a very up and down season

we had like three managers in six months so it was a difficult time actually and we won the championship got to meet him and just his aura you know enigmatic figure and just how warm he was and how how positive he was about what we had achieved and was very surreal, you know.

I think growing up in Northwest London, like on the estate I grew up in, did I ever think I'd be in the White House? No. So, yeah, that was incredible. Did you meet Michelle as well? No, I was going to. Because you know, everyone's like, where's Michelle? I know, I was going to say, Michelle would have been the cherry on top. What is the best piece of advice that you ever got from a coach or a teammate. I think the best piece of advice I ever got was just to really just believe in yourself and just to trust your process and never compare yourself to others because everyone's trajectory is different.

And you might take different steps to get to where you'll go in, but you'll get there in the end if you just keep believing and you keep working at it. So yeah, don't get caught up in like looking over your shoulder what they're doing, just focus on your own path. so simple yet so hard it is yeah because there's so many outside factors I think when you're a competitive person like raff mentioned earlier

you know there's players behind you they're coming in they want your shirt they want to take your spot and you can get lost in that being your focus as opposed to what you actually do to keep improving I guess mine would be from and this is not just because it's a Chelsea podcast but from Emma Hayes and it was very short and sweet and it's never settled and that goes for every aspect of your life

the context that she was sharing it in was never settle so at the time she was sharing it because of the infrastructure in the club we wanted more investment we wanted to be able to bring the players in we wanted our medical facilities in gym and she would always

never settle for what we had even though it was better than what we had the year before it was never enough so I think that that's great advice that you can take into all aspects of your life what was the most a dramatic game that you've played in for good or bad reasons

for either the juicy or the better I think it has to be the 2015 World Cup Quarter Final against Canada I think that was a dramatic game just because of the occasion

it was on Canada Day in front of a massive Canadian crowd in Vancouver and just the energy I've never felt energy like it and for that reason for me it was the most dramatic and we won so that was good

nice yeah for me for me it has to be I think 2012 Olympics playing Brazil at Wembley and just because it was just like you know what had never played Brazil in my international career you knew of Marta knew of these world-class players and you know so many thousand people most of us had never experienced that level of noise and crowd and just the drama and the goals going in and the atmosphere definitely one of the highlights of my career as well yeah it's it's and It must be so interesting because it's interesting as a fan

when we go to different stadiums in different countries just seeing how the fans react. And they've got, some of them have fireworks, some of the smoke, someone I have all this stuff. And it's, you're always just like, oh, this is different. But I imagine playing in Brazil, there's a lot of music. You know, it was the drums, it was the dancing, it was all of that. And it's like the stuff that you grew up watching on TV

when you watch all the men's tournaments and competitions and to live it was incredible and I know growing up as a kid like you play games like Wembley you know wanting to visualize being in those kind of situations that's what it was about for us like so to actually be there experience

it play against the players that you almost idolized as well you know I looked up to players like Marta and Formiga and was like these are world class like unbelievable and to go toe to toe with them and actually win in front of a home crowd was incredible

what was the proudest moment of your career then well that was one of them um we're on a chelty podcast but you know i'm gonna have to i have to say the quadruple season with arsenal um i have to because yeah um to go unbeaten to win the title to win uh the european championship in that season was just like nothing any of us could have predicted or imagined or thought we could even touch you know and and that's going back at a time where we didn't have all the support like in terms of resources in terms of full time training in terms of all of that and we were trying to compete with the best players in Europe you know who some of them had better infrastructure than we did had better support had better visibility we did have the visibility but we did it because

we loved the game and we just love to play football we wanted to win together and Claire what was your proudest moment I think my proudest moment was there's a 2015 was a whole, in general, the year was fantastic. But that year was a year that I came back after a third ACL. And I think coming back when people had told me that I was never going to be able to play football again, I'd never be the same player again, and then being able to come back, win a FA Cup, win a WSL league title, and win a bronze medal at a World Cup, all in the same year after not thinking I could even, you know,

I might not be able to run again. Yeah, wow. Like that was, in general, that summer was a pretty good summer. yeah they're pretty they're good moments they're good moments what's the funniest thing that ever happened on the team bus that you can share on a podcast that's why my cogs are going yeah could not that one and you guys were telling me in the dressing room about cass she yeah cas is silent assassin you know everyone everyone sees her as quiet and you know you can't shut her up now she does all this media stuff isn't she what's happened to her

But she would have, she almost went professional with dancing. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. You think she's quiet and, you know, just kind of just slyly moving around. She's always to hang out with yanks and talk to those guys and all of that. But as soon as a song came on that she absolutely loved, suddenly she's busing out Michael Jackson moves across the middle of the changing room. You're like, is this, is that really cats?

Is she okay? I think that's why she was so good with her feet, wasn't she? like tricky because she's yeah she could move on the dance floor as well maybe we're going to see her in here actually she's a smooth mover so if you get her in here you've got to do a dance move or two right I've got to move on to the fan questions if you had to be stuck in a car for four hours with a former teammate who would you pick for four hours I mean for me it would be it would still be Jill I was going to say because you'll never have a dull moment and I want to be entertained for four hours I don't want to be bored.

You know, she's never short of a quip or a poem. A poem, yes. Yeah, Jill fancies herself as a bit of a poet. So I'm sure she'll come up with something on that four-hour journey. I think mine would have to be someone like Carly Telford. Just because, like, we've been for a lot together with Notchard for a long, long time. And I just think we could take that time to reminisce and just chat about life. She's also a good talker.

And she's a good talker. and she's got good tasting music and she brings good snacks so. Oh, she brings good snacks. Carly could be my friend. Because if you're stuck in a car, you're going to be hungry, aren't you?

Yeah, you are. Who from the current Chelsea squad would you have liked to have been in your team while you were at Chelsea? Well, for me, Ritinkarno Rood. Sorry, I'm saying it the Swedish way because I know if they're watching them, kill me right, saying it wrong.

But yeah, I just, I enjoy watching her play. Yeah, I think she's an exceptional player. I think she's an exceptional player. I think she's coming to great form. as well and yeah she's dynamic player and would have made my job easy just give her the ball off you go have a cup of tea in the back right yeah absolutely i think lucy bronze because having played against her quite a few times played with her and training for england i just think she's even you know she's getting towards the end of her career now i think she's adapted her game slightly so having to deal with the

different, you know, kind of elements of a game where she quite direct, or in terms of linking up play, I think in general, yeah, just her mentality as well as her playing ability would be fantastic to have. Yeah. I haven't had her on the pod, so if you speak to her, put a word in. We all want her

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