We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - 201. What We’re Watching, Reading & Listening to Right Now

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

Is the most relentless question of your day (other than what do you want for dinner?): WHAT SHOULD WE WATCH TONIGHT? Here to help. Everything we’re watching, listening to, and reading on today’s pod: Yellowjackets, Succession, Calendar Girls, 90 Day Fiancé, and so much more. Let’s start a Pod Squad list. What are you all watching / reading / listening to? P.S. Succession Spoiler Alert! Skip through from ~20:38-23:20 if you need to!

Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. Are we recording? Yes. How many of these episodes? Have we done 200 episodes? And every single time, folks, Glennon doesn't get the process. That's because I have beginner's mind. You sure do. You sure do. She starts talking and we haven't even hit the record button. Okay, everybody. So welcome to We Can Do Hard Things where we're going to be sweet and kind to each other. Oh, okay. This is an utterly thrilling episode because we finally get to talk about one of my favorite subjects besides coffee and boundaries and gender. And how forgiveness is not really a thing.

Something tells me we're going to get to those in the course of this conversation. We're talking about TV today. We're going to talk about what we are watching. reading, all of the things that we are consuming, because sometimes it feels like Abby and I spend most of our life just sitting on the couch, trying to figure out what to watch. Do you think that that is true? Well, not most, there's a lot of time spent into, what should we watch? What should we watch?

I Google it every night. Best TV series on television, 2023. Yes, just in case someone has written a new article. That's what I do every single night. And truly what I want to say is I think sometimes I am trying to like be more erudite than I am. That's smart, right? Yes. Educated.

Educated. And but the truth is that most of my life, no matter what I'm doing, no matter what it is, all I'm trying to do is get back to my couch to watch TV. That's it. Like, if I'm at the most amazing thing, if I'm at a kid's thing, if I'm taking a walk, if I'm enjoying nature, really what I'm trying to do is just get back to the couch and turn on the television. Why do you think that is? I love coziness. It is your homeostasis point.

Yes, because I'm a home sexual. Okay. There it is. There's the sexuality. We got it in, people. Thank you for coming to Weaken Do Hard Thanks. Couch is my church. Because I freaking love my family so much and I love my couch and I love togetherness with the family where no one's talking.

We're all together, but we're staring. It's like the campfire. We're at a campfire, but without any mosquitoes. I have a theory about this for you. What? because I think that there's a small part of you that kind of feels like that isn't the best way to be living a life from like an Aradite's perspective. Oh, I panic. I panic when we do it too much.

Yeah, you really do. You have limits on how many shows we can watch in a row. If she says at any point, you want to watch the next one, like my inside, I'm just so excited. That's Abby's sexuality. It really is. My theory is, you spend so much of your day living inside of your brain and now your body. And the way you're working through stuff internally, I think that you actually, your body and your mind is telling you, I need to have a shutoff valve to this. Yes.

And you get to escape your own personal drama and enter into somebody else's. whether it's mindless or not. Yes. You remember that show that was like wrestling and it would be like Randy Macho Man Savage. Like that wrestling, WW. Right. Like every once in a while they'd be wrestling, wrestling, wrestling.

And then they would tap out. They would be like, I'm too tired. I'm done. I feel like life is one big wrestling match. And I'm like struggling and like throwing haymakers. And all day. And then... You're bringing in a fucking wrestling analogy to this.

That's what I think of you when I think of you. I'm like, Glenn and Doyle. Almost exactly like Randy... What was his name? Not showman. Randy Savage. The point is life is a wrestling match. And sometimes you have to tap out.

And since I think maybe some people who don't have any tapouts left who are out of tapouts, like booze, like all of the things. I'm tapped out of tapouts. my tap out is television because being a human is intolerable. It's hard. After a certain point in the day. Yeah. Have you read lessons in chemistry?

Oh my God. It's on my list to discuss today. Okay. Well, you know the part where they're trying to convince her to do that TV show and the guy explains the psychology and he calls it the afternoon depression zone where our circadian rhythms were made to sleep at night and have a siesta. But we're one of the only cultures that refuses to allow ourselves the rest. So our body needs it.

So we zone out in front of the TV in the afternoon depression zone. And that's why they make those shows just barely engaging enough so that you can kind of disassociate from yourself. Basically, that means you should just be going to sleep. Well, it's so true. Abby does that. Abby takes a nap every afternoon. And my God did it did it for the first couple years to like a couple weeks ago

to make me want to die because it was like, what are you doing? You are just resting at me. That is the way it's supposed to be. The siesta is why Abby is such a happy person. And that's why we all, why do we all need the caffeine right at 2.30 or 3 o'clock? or why do we all start crashing because we're supposed to crash, but we fight our natural rhythms. Sister, what is your relationship to television? Also, have you read lessons in chemistry?

Or did you just read an article about it? Well, I had to bring it up because it's the only second book that I've read outside of this podcast in the past 24 months. Besides How to Raise an Adult, which I've been reading for three years. You would think that the show is sponsored by How to Raisin Adult because I've been reading it for six months because it's like 300 pages long and that's how long it takes me to read that mock. The good news is, Sissy, by the time you're done, Bobby Nouse will be adults. And so it will still be applicable that book. I'll be like I did it. Okay, so I'll tell you what, for this podcast, you told me how to watch a TV show.

So I did watch it. And I will tell you what, TV is infuriating because they don't let you watch it at like 1.5. So I listen to all audio books and I listen to podcasts. And I'm like, why are they talking so slow? Why is TV so like? They're like, hello, I am Mary. And I realize it's because I'm so used to 1.5 on everything that I'm like, oh, no, I guess that's how people normally talk. Sister, I think that this is a metaphor for you.

I think you are used to 1.5 in most things. And that is why normal human beings and our rhythms drive you bat shit crazy. Yeah. Because the whole world to you sounds like, Hello. But I did and it was odd. But I don't just watch TV. I don't know.

But also do you think that it's because it's a different intention? Like you're just trying to get through something. So you speed it up. Whereas some people are using it as like an actual decompressing time. So the speed isn't the problem because they're not trying to just like finish it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure if you're trying to like make your brain go slower, probably doing it at double speed is not conducive with that.

So you do not watch. If everyone else can watch this episode in an hour, I can watch it in 35. Do you think that there's any evidence or something that is like really positive around tapping out? Because I actually think that that's like a really important thing for people and realize that watching. TV is a privilege for some folks, right? Oh, wouldn't I have little kids? There was not a lot of that. It's a huge privilege. But I do think for high functioning people who need to go at 1.5 speed, do you think that maybe it would be helpful if you had like this one hour every night that you slow down? Honey, can you talk faster so she can understand you? Yeah. I'm like, God, you could have said

that a lot more efficiently. I like a family movie night. We do those sometimes. Like we went through all the Star Wars during COVID and that was really fun. I really enjoyed that. I like to watch the sports. It's like a bonding thing with Bobby and me will watch baseball games. Oh my God. Those are like 0.5. Grass grow.

But you know what? You know what? Poor fat baseball is underrated. I feel like baseball is an analogy for a human. You look on the outside. It looks like you're doing like three things. but you are actually doing a hundred things for every one thing that you see. So I'm into baseball now.

I also, the March Madness, really fun. So it's a thing with some intention, like we're doing a thing here. Exactly. Rather than like the mindless thing. Check. Yeah. It's like a communal experience.

We did that. It's a communal experience for sure for you. In terms of the tapping out from being human, I think I may have mentioned this before that I am obsessed with this, But you know those circuit breakers? You know those boxes in the garage that have the row of things that when the lights go out? Yeah. Yeah.

So being human is like one of those boxes and everybody just has to like, it gets too hot. And then you have to flip it to stop being human for a while. And then if you don't, the whole house burns down. Right? So like what are your, I'm done flipping the circuit breaker switch thing? if it's not TV and it's not booze anymore. Crickets. She doesn't have any.

Oh, my God. I should look into that. I'll make that a project. If anyone has any podcasts about relaxing that sister could listen to at 0.1.5. Yeah. I want your 10-minute meditation, but make it three. I have a follow-up question. Do you wear that, do you wear this as a badge of honor, though?

Like truly. Oh. I mean, probably, but I'm, I think I'm getting over that now. I think I feel over it. Okay. Your kids are also now at a certain age where you get to actually tap back into it. Like when the kids are young, you can't. I'm looking forward to it.

It is in the three-year plan for sure. Hold on. Here's what I have to tell you. You can do this in three days. You can figure this out in three days. If you feel like this is something that would benefit, fit your life, I can give you a much longer list than we're going to go through today of how to best optimize your relaxation one hour period at the end of the night.

I mean, Abby Wanbach, I have 99 problems and a lack of a list is not one. Okay? I got a lot of lists. That's why I don't have a lot of circuit. But there's not a list of things that you can be doing to fucking relax and to enjoy life. I think this is another pod. I'm so upset by this because there's nobody on the planet that deserves it more than you and your sister. Like you work so hard and we will always think that you are the most worker.

Like you want it. You won. I'll send you the medal. I will make a medal and I'll send it to you. And also, P.S. It can't just be forever that there's so many lists so you can't relax because there's always going to be so many lists forever. Mm-hmm. It's true. You know, it's not like you're just about to run out of lists. It's true. All right, come on. Enough with the psychology. Let's go. Okay. I'm not on trial here, people.

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out there at the best price. Let's talk about what we are watching. Also, all of you type A perfectionist over functioners, could you please help us with maybe some things that we could send a sister for ideas? And if you could camouflage them as productive. Just help us. Okay. Some things we're watching.

And we're just going to go through a few things. today because we actually watch a lot of shit, but yellow jackets. We're watching yellow jackets. A lot of people are watching yellow jackets. Now, first of all, what you need to know about yellow jackets is it's a good van diagram of Abby and I genres because it's gross and scary and horrifying. So it's in Abby genre. But it's also like kind of feminist. It's like Lord of the Flies. but girls. For a girls soccer team. Which maybe that's why they call it yellow jackets as a nod to the flies.

What are the flies? They're both insects. Maybe not. Okay, this is what's going to happen. I'm going to say things that are going to have nothing to do with anything, but their conclusions I've made from these shows. Okay. Soccer team, high school soccer team.

They go to nationals on an airplane. Airplane crashes on an island. or I don't know. I don't know where the hell they are. And neither do they. Neither do that. There's the show. And it's a group of girls.

And then a couple guys. It's very strange and eerie and confusing. I would say it's very confusing. It's riddled with more questions and answers. Right. And I've almost given up on it a couple times because of the grossness and scariness. But it's cool to me because it's a bunch of girls together that are not in the male gaze at all. There's no male gays. So all of these girls together are just being fully human with each other. They're just the subjects of the show. They're not objects. And they are fully human with each other in ways that we don't normally see women, like animalistic ways, like fully human as animals, almost. And they all have these fatal flaws.

They're personalities that are strengths, but you can see later because we go into their middle age years. It's like back and forth from the island. They're still on the island? They're on the island as teenagers. It's a flashback. Oh, okay. They're not middle aged on the island. No, that'd be awesome.

But you see the connection between these like terrifying bonds that they made with each other when they it was the worst experience of their life, but maybe they were the most alive. You see them not able to let go of that in their middle age. So it's like about attachment theory. It's about attachment. Yeah, but the juxtaposition between being in survival mode and that these young women are trying, they're having to become in some ways animals to survive. I think it's really such a beautiful story. And then you flash forward into their middle age and how they still have that in them.

And they're still in survival mode. Yeah. And it's like about all in survival mode all the time. And it's like girls together. And it's like how we just like love each other and hate each other and protect each other and kill each other and eat each other up. And like it's just. And how they have to play certain roles in their middle age. And like you can see the internal conflict.

So it's like they had this opportunity to become really untamed in a crazy way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then fast forward to their middle age. And then they have to do this reverse taming, which. Yeah.

And they can't get away for. each other. Like they hate each other but can't find meaning apart from each other. They're trauma bonded. Yes. Which is life, right? It's just being a girl, being a woman, like they're trauma bonded by life. And Melanie Linsky, she's so freaking good in it. They're also good. And it's very cool when you think about like in a world of all we want to do is take BuzzFeed quizzes and figure out who we are. We are always talking about Tish and Abby and I watch it together. We are always talking about like which ones, which tragic flies and them most relate to us. Yeah, that was a horrible question they posed to me the other day. Tish was like, who do you think I am and who do you

think mom is? Which character? And I was like, this is a trick question. Yeah. I don't know how to answer this. But we decided that you were a mixture of Van and Taisa because your beautiful, tragic fatal flaw is loyalty and leadership. These beautiful things that can go either way. Loyalty can save you or kill you. Leadership can save you or get you killed, all of these things. And then Tish was Juliette Lewis. There's this one character that just beats to her own drum the whole time and is like individualistic. Her name's Natalie, Nat. Yeah.

Yeah. And she also has a very like just constant what the fuck is going on vibe where everyone else gets eased into this new reality. And she's like, this is not normal. Yep. And that's Tish. So Yellow Jackets, check it out. Good. Maybe.

All right. Succession. We have watched Succession religiously. We are into Succession, which is so weird because, well, Succession is about this family that is based on both the Murdox and the Fox News Empire and kind of King Lear. It's like a King Lear story. Who's going to take over this empire and this man who's just this Murdoch Lear type, just ruthless, soulless. But it's also very billionaire world and capitalism and what happens at the top. And on the surface, it's about wildly wealthy people, but if you were going to make an anti-capitalist commercial, you would make succession because this family and world is so void of it's just soulless and vapid and lack of love. It's fascinating. I never know what's going on because they're always doing every minute.

I'm like, what's happening now? Because it's all very like businessy language. Uh-huh, uh-huh. But I get the vibe. Okay, so I never know what's happening really, but I know how everyone's feeling. And there was the scene in the last one. Spoil alert, all of this is a spoiler. Logan Roy, the dad, dies.

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It feels like I'm making myself smarter, but I'm still just sitting here. So I watched a documentary recently that I want everybody to watch. I thought it was really wonderful. It was called Calendar Girls. And it's about this group of women who are probably in their like 60s, 70s, 80s, ladies who start a dance group. Imagine like a drill team from high school, like your drill team. Okay, they do choreography. They travel and perform at retirement homes and local fairs. And they are so serious about it. And it's so beautiful. And there's this dynamic in it where the men in

their lives and some of their lives can't deal with it. It's too much. It's too much. Their careers are taking them away. Well, yes. Yeah. But it's like sad and serious. On the surface, it's this adorable thing. And then deeper, it's the story of like what happens when women actually reclaim togetherness and power and joy and want to be the center. Anyway.

And some of these are retired. And so they're in retirement with their husbands. And their husbands are like, I want you to be home with me, taking care of me. And they're like, no. I thought we're going to be playing golf. Exactly. They're like, I've been doing that. my whole life. I need to have something for myself. And it's this beautiful, like, awakening in some

of these women that they're finally doing this one thing that brings them alive. And then the repercussions of women following their joy together. Yeah, that's cool. And daring to have worlds without considering their partners. But, but also they wear like unicorn horns and leg warmers. And they're on YouTube. They're trying to, like, figure out how to do their blue shot eye shadow. So they're watching like teenagers do their makeup and they're trying to figure it out. It's really special. Okay. I have spent my life telling difficult truths about who I am as a human. And I have talked about sex and drugs and rock and roll. But there is part of my life that I have not completely always been honest about. And now's,

when I'm going to reveal to you that I fucking love reality TV. Okay? And I know that you're going to think less of me after you learn. And I just want you know that's okay with me because I am not trying to be perfect. That doesn't mean you're imperfect. Trying to be honest. No, I don't think it means you're imperfect. You like what you fucking like.

Well, remember when I went on Bravo? Remember when I went on the Andy Cohen show? I went on watch what's happening live. because Bronwyn from the real housewives was coming out as queer and she needed my support as a housewife does every once in a while. Okay. And so I go on Andy Cohen's show in support of Bronwyn. And Andy Cohen, who made the housewives, who produced the housewives, who is the housewives person, looks at me and says, why are you here? And I said, well, I feel like you invited me here. And he said, No, no, no. I mean, like, you're an activist, you're a feminist.

You know, Gloria Steinem recently said that the real housewives is bad for women. Why are you here? On air, he asked me this. And I say to him, Andy Cohen, I'm not saying I think the real housewives are good for women. I'm just saying, I like it. Okay? I'm just letting the soft animal of my body. My body love what it loves, Andy Cohen. I don't know.

It's WWE for women. Okay? That's what it is. It is in more ways than one. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like going to the bookstore and like seeing that like juicy novel that like you've been wanting, but you're afraid to pick it up because somebody's going to judge you on it or like looking and finding poetry and walking out. You have to consume stuff that makes you like yourself and like the life.

Remember when I was trying to figure out what exactly lesbian sex was going to be like? used to have this book about sex that, and then I'd be on the airplanes and I'd put the book about lesbian sex inside of Jane Eyre and read it. That's what, like, what. That's what I'm saying. Same, same, same. Jane Eyre was just, if she had been alive a few more generations. Totally. She, she was wishing she could have some lesbian sex. Right. Right. Okay. So what we have done is we have charged sister with watching reality TV. Reality TV. which please understand since she won't even watch highbrow TV. Highbrow TV is too lowbrow for her.

Charging her with watching, da-da-da-da-da-90-day fiancé. The other way. I thought maybe it was going to be a bridge too far. 90-day fiancé, what do you think, sister? First of all, why don't you give our listeners a quick synopsis of what 90-day fiancé is about? Okay, I watched two episodes of season four, which is The Other Way, which I have been able to surmise contextually from the subtitle that the other way refers to a reverse of the traditional process, which is U.S. residents partnering up with, if we can call it that it's a stretch, partnering up with folks from, other countries to get married and then the people from the other countries come to America. The other way is related to in all of the couples that we see here, the Americans are going to go

live into the other countries. Right. So that's what's happening there. So the 90 day refers to typically you get a 90 day visa. And so there is some, shall we? we say urgency involved in the consummation of these relationships or else they will not be together. Right. A lot of these people found each other on the internet and or on travel to the other lands. They met these people, spent a couple days with them, came home, and now we meet them when they are about to return to the land.

and most of them have a wedding date, which is a few days after they land, including some who have never actually met each other in person. This is what I spent three hours of my life watching yesterday. So what is your take? So in the light most favorable to everyone involved, some of them are irreconciled, styleably bat-shick crazy.

Some of them, I am genuinely worried and scared for it. This is why I can't watch reality TV because I cannot separate myself. I cannot say, oh, it's just TV. Because Gabriel, I love Gabriel. I am so worried about Gabriel. I love Gabe. I know. I know. Also, I have some observations generally on things, but I think as a

psychological observation without judging the individual people, except I will say, I'm going to judge, Danielle, because that is not okay what's happening with you and Johan. I mean, it's not okay. Oh, Danielle, the curly blonde lady. She is horrifying. Oh, my gosh. I mean, Johann's not getting any credit himself. I'm just saying what I have noticed is a few things. First of all, how incredibly hard it is to be family or loved ones of people and just let them live. Yes. And make their choices, even their very, very terrible choices. And all of these, there's all these like mothers or brothers, that sweet lady who is just really not,

it's not going to go well for Jennifer, but her sweet brother and her sister-in-law and her mom. and then you've got the mom of the Alabama lady who just says, you know, a mother's worry is. And they're just letting their people go out and really make terrible decisions. Yes. And I realized it is what reality TV is it's just like a really blown up caricature of what everyone's walking through because we're all going to watch our kids and our loved ones make foolish choices. And we know they are. And we just have to let them. And that's an untenable position to live through.

But don't you think it's so fun to watch people make wildly outrageous? I won't even say terrible because we don't know, right? You don't know what's right or wrong. But we fucking know, Abby. We do know. I mean, I just don't. I haven't seen the whole show. I'm still at the, I'm actually caught up to that season four.

I'm sure when you see the whole show, it'll be crystal clear, Abby. You've wrapped up with a little bow and everything will be fine. But what it makes me feel is like great. that other people are showing me that outrageousness is still possible. Like, she's such a romantic. She believes. She believes. She believes.

But here's what it does for me. It's so funny to me that these people think this is about love. It's hilarious. I know. What it's saying to me every time and the people are saying it with their very words that come out of their mouth is that everyone on this show, what is driving them is that. they want to go get a certain life, okay? They know what it is. My girl with Johan,

she just wants to live at the beach and be out of New York. But yet we don't let ourselves go get the life we want unless it has this kind of an excuse of we are pursuing external love. What I want to say to Danielle is go fucking live in the Dominican Republic if that's what you want.

Why are you bringing Johan into this life? All he wants to do, which is what he's stated, live in New York. Okay? So why don't you just go ahead and do that? All Chris wants to do is live for herself for the first time. Why is she bringing sweet Jamie into this? I'm really worried about Jamie. I just don't understand why people aren't just going to get the life that they want. That's a really good point. But I feel like Gabe and Isabel are in love. I know. I know. I know. I really hope so. They're my favorite. Obviously. Yes. I love your take. I've never thought of that. Just go get the thing. Don't say it's

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I also feel like 90-day fiancé, which one of my smartest friends, Yaba, told me. I don't know if she's going to let us release. She's too erudite to admit this publicly. 90-day fiancé is an anthropological. research project. Yes, it is. It is because, first of all, when you think about, we are like, oh, that's so crazy what they're doing.

Every marriage is a little bit like entering into a different culture, right? Except they're doing it literally. And then they are stunned and shocked when the two cultures clash. Like, for example, the fashion designer who wants to wear a bare midriff, but then marries an Egyptian Muslim and is shocked by the culture in Egypt. No, no, but he said

before they got married, what you will need to do is wear clothing that covers your entire body and that isn't tight. And she went to fashion design school and all she wants is to wear vintage 20s-e clothing. But this is what I mean.

The other thing that it does is it just like puts in huge highlight, the idea that we are all so scared of talking about the things that we're scared of. Yes. And we are all so scared of asking the questions that we don't want the answers to precisely because we already know the answers. That's right. So they're all like, well, I don't know have you talked to him about this. Why hasn't he told his family he's engaged you and going to be married on Tuesday to you. Well, well, I just think...

It's unclear? I just, it's unclear to me. Why haven't you told him that he's not going to go to New York, even though you told him he's going to go to New York? Well, I just think we'll probably be able to work it out. I know. All of us have these things. They're littler than that usually.

But contrary to all of the evidence, we're just like, if I don't look in that little corner, they won't come to roost. It's roost in people. Isn't that like the whole point of life though is to like keep putting yourself in experiences until you learn some of these lessons. Like I know I got re-gifted lessons over and over and over again. They gifted lessons. That's so good.

Until I actually learned them. And I kept making the same fucking mistakes over and over again. And I feel like these are the kind of things like just because this might be an inevitable mistake doesn't mean it's bad for them. And also, we have to throw out there that maybe they just want to be on fucking TV. Of course. And also, it's just the American propaganda of it of the whole show is so crazy. Oh my gosh. People wanting to come and live in the U.S. All the camera angles are like, we're supposed to like be mad at the culture that they're going to and not the American. But it's like, no. I'm always mad at the American. Oh, God, I'm not mad at that at all. I'm so glad you didn't

make me watch the one where they're coming to America because that's like, I. I don't even think in good conscience I could talk about that. I don't think you're going to be the type of person's sister who's going to stick with these reality shows. So we're just going to have you pop in and pop out. Okay. I'm not going to take you to the Housewives yet. Also loves if, oh, the Marvelous Miss Maisel is coming back. Oh, God.

I love her. I love her. I actually did watch that show. Oh, my God. That's one of our favorite visual experience. Oh, and also just precious is Daisy Jones in the Six. Oh, thank God for Daisy. Jenkins Reed wrote Daisy Jones the Six and we're watching that with Tish.

And it's just, it's just precious. I love it because it reminds me so much of Almost Famous, which is one of my all-time favorite movies. And Riley Keo is just fantastic in it. And I can't get over all of the swishy, swishy, swishy Fleetwood Mackey outfits. Oh, the outfits are so good. I just love any show that has like musicians and like the backstage and how the whole rock star world is.

I love those shows. I know. It makes me feel cool. Check it out. And next time we'll talk about all of your zombie shows. Okay. I'm so sorry we didn't get to that. I have some reality shows to offer to people. Oh yeah. What? What? Yeah. I would like to ask people to check out the new reality show called Senator Michaela Kavanaugh's seven-week filibuster in the Nebraska State Senate. Oh, for fuck's sake. It is fascinating. I just don't understand why we need other reality TV. we have things as exciting as that. My girl, Michaela, has for seven lifelong weeks stood there, filibustering, not letting the Nebraska legislature pass any bill because she is opposing the bill

that would take away gender affirming care in her state. Seven weeks. She has strep throat. She's been standing up there. She's just been talking, talking about her favorite salads, talking about everything just to keep the state Senate. And she said, if this legislator decides that legislating hate against children is our priority, then I'm going to make it painful, painful for everyone. And she said, I will burn this to the ground. And she's not stopping. Also, she is a Catholic.

And she says that it's her Lenton penance. And she is doing God's work by standing up there and doing that every day. Oh. How much longer will she have to do that? Well, they break for session in June. Oh my God. It's going to be like 90-day fiancé, but 90-day Congressperson. Yeah.

I mean, she's a total badass. Now, if we could just have that reality show, so she could be filibustering and then we could have like a little confessional where she's talking about how she feels about filibustering and then she could go back. It could be so good. Also, on the podcast recommendation, on the issues with Michelle Goodwin, brilliant. People should check that out. It's 15 minutes of feminism in little chunks.

It completely contextualizes it in terms of current conversations, but it's from a historical, political context. You don't need to know anything about history of feminism. She really situates what's happening right now within historical framework. It's brilliant. Kids podcasts, American history storytellers. It's a one-re-plus podcast. And it's basically American history, but accurately.

And they do like all these four-part series on, you know, how Hawaii became enlisted to be a state, women suffrage, Tulsa Race Massacre, all the stuff where your kids can actually get the real history. Awesome. Okay. You all, I hope you have some good options here. Choices. What are we supposed to watch tonight? What are we supposed to listen to today? You've got some choices.

We mentioned lessons in chemistry. I also just finished. I have some questions for you by Rebecca McKay. So, Philippine good. All right, we love you. Tell us what you're watching. Can we start a week and do Hard Things, Pod Squad TV book list?

Would that be great so that we can always know what's next and we don't have to stare at each other? All right, tell us what to watch. We love you. And what to listen to. And what to listen to and what you need. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Besides Taylor, we got nothing else. Taylor and Brandy, that's the whole playlist, folks. I need to go girls. Bye. If this podcast means something to you, It would mean so much to us if you'd be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to We Can Do Hard Things?

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