We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - 254. Dolly Parton: How to Make Decisions (Even If They Break Your Heart)

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

In this special episode, Glennon, Abby, and Amanda sit down with icon Dolly Parton for a heartfelt conversation about how to start something new at 77, how she mothers the world, and how she broke her... own heart when Elvis asked to record her hit song.  Plus, the advice Dolly would give to Glennon and Abby’s daughter, Tish, as she enters the music business.  About Dolly:  Dolly Parton is the most honored and revered female country singer-songwriter of all time and was recently inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Achieving 27 RIAA-certified gold, platinum, and multi-platinum awards, she has had 26 songs reach #1 on the Billboard country charts, a record for a female artist. Parton became the first country artist honored as Grammy MusiCares Person of the Year. She has 48 career Top 10 country albums, a record for any artist, and 110 career-charted singles over the past 50+ years. On October 17th she is releasing her second coffee table book in a trilogy called “Behind The Seams: My Life in Rhinestones” and on November 17th her highly anticipated 30-song rock album, “Rockstar.” To date, Parton has donated over 213 million books to children around the world with her Imagination Library. Her children's book, Coat of Many Colors, was dedicated to the Library of Congress to honor the Imagination Library's 100 millionth book donation.  TW: @DollyParton IG: @dollyparton To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I chased desire, I made sure I got what's mine. Welcome back to We Can Do Hard Things and Happy Dolly Ween. Okay, today you are not going to believe this, but Doolly Parton is here. Oh, Dolly is going to tell us how she makes her toughest decisions by trusting her gut, even when it breaks her heart. Oh, believe me, mind. She's going to teach us how to be brave enough to try something brand new at 77. And she's going to tell us how she's been mothering the world
Starting point is 00:00:46 her entire life through just amazing projects like lately the imagination library where I think sister does every kid in the freaking country get a book from Dolly Parton? Is that a thing? It is for promoting literacy in early education. So if at a lot of, you know, like child development centers and places under resource places throughout the country, you just sign up and then you get a book every month to your house. It's wild. And she started that because her dad could not read and never went to school. And so didn't have a chance to learn to read and write. So she created that in his honor. Very, very cool. Oh god, Dolly kills me. Okay. And before we begin, I'm just going to say that my favorite Dolly part and quote ever is this
Starting point is 00:01:36 as follows, my whole family knows. Somebody asked her how she feels when people call her a dumb blonde. And she said, it doesn't bother me because I know I'm not dumb and I'm not blonde. Okay. Okay. All right, welcome. Dolly Parton. Hi there.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Oh. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hello. Hi. Hello.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Hello. Hi. Hi. Hiwhelmed with joy. Such an honor to be with you, Ms. Parton. Well, thank you. I'm proud to be with you. So thanks for the nice compliment. Oh, my goodness. We just want to tell our listeners the joy that is happening today. So everybody,
Starting point is 00:02:19 Dolly Parton is here from Locust Ridge to Global Fame, you, Miss Parton, have been a constant leader as a business innovator, advocate for education. Your courage to do the right thing, and perhaps just as importantly, when you learn something is hurtful, your resolve to immediately change it is what the world needs more of. From imagination libraries 200 million books to school children, to dollywood's reinvigoration of an entire local economy, to lifting us up with when life is good again and investing in our vaccine, you are always there for us. There's no doubt that your gift of traveling through for Trans-America not only changed hearts, but saved lives. Your stories of those who are shut out
Starting point is 00:03:15 and shut in, those counted out are cast out the way you treat each person's story with the inherent dignity and respect and awe that every person deserves. Thank you for that gift to the world. Wow, I don't know if I can measure up to all of that. You can see it's functional here. Wow, well, thank you so much for I don't know that I'm all that, but I try to do what I can. I've been around long enough to order
Starting point is 00:03:41 to be doing something good for somebody. And I've had a good long productive life and I like sharing and I like loving people and accepting people for who and how they are because that's how I want to be treated. So thank you for all those wonderful remarks and I can say I don't know if I can measure up but I'll do my best. You already have. So that's done. We wanted to say that you so often use songwriting as a way to tell the untold stories of underdogs and outsiders. And the underdog outsider stories you choose to tell are often those of women, women who have had abortions, women who have been committed to institutions by their own husbands, women trying to hold families together and working so damn hard to stay afloat.
Starting point is 00:04:26 What's your favorite story that you've told about a woman's life, one that's changed you to know and to tell? Well, I think one that changed me and actually was very helpful. I think to a lot of women was a song, was the name of my first album and it came from an honest place. It's my song, Des Because I'm a Woman. And that was my first RCA album. And I wrote that about, it's really about, you know, I can see you're disappointed by the way you look at me. You know, I'm sorry that I'm not the woman
Starting point is 00:04:56 you thought I'd be. Like someone thinking that they married Virgin when they haven't. Anyway, so I made my mistakes, but listen and understand my mistakes are no worse than yours just because I'm a woman and that goes all the way through the whole thing about just, you know, talking about those kinds of things that a man will take a good girl and ruin her reputation. But when he wants to marry, well, that's a different situation. He'll look for an angel to where he's wedding band, you know, and it's like, well, you know, he left somebody else, you know, just broken and laying in the sand. So it's like, I know that I'm no angel, you know, like he thought I'd be.
Starting point is 00:05:33 So anyways, my mistakes are no worse than yours just because I'm a woman. And this goes on and on about that sort of a thing. So I think we often go through that, and that was the, I need that I feel within myself because I've been married to my husband about eight months and then he started asking me questions about my past. And I said, now I don't want to lie to you
Starting point is 00:05:52 because I'm a pretty open-honored person. So don't ask me nothing, you don't want the truth about. So anyway, I told the truth and he wasn't too happy about that and then I wrote that song. So I've always been wanting to, you know, pull myself as a woman and do a pull to other women as I can. Because I've written many songs, as you mentioned,
Starting point is 00:06:16 about women in their situations, a song that wouldn't play on the radio, like down from the over, about an unwed mother, and the bridge about a, you know, girl that had been left behind, left with a baby and all that. So yeah, I'll kind of cover it all. I'm so right. I am obsessed with you as a business icon. It just feels like you were so ridiculously ahead of the times in terms of the decisions that you made that I imagine felt hard.
Starting point is 00:06:50 So I'm wondering if you can tell us the story about when Elvis Presley asked you to record your song. What did you tell him? Because your confidence in yourself to say what you needed to say to Elvis Presley. Well, let me clarify that whole story, because sometimes it gets distorted. That was for the hardest business decisions that I have ever had to make.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Elvis loved the song, and he wanted to record the song, and I'd never met Elvis before, and was going to get to meet him at the session that day and it was I will always love you right that was the song the song I will always love I'm sorry I thought I had said that but anyway it was the song I will always love you and so he loved that and even Priscilla told me years later that he sang that song to her when the day they divorced and they were coming down
Starting point is 00:07:45 off the steps of the courthouse. So it wasn't Elvis. So don't blame Elvis. I loved Elvis. And so I was ready to go. I was so excited. I mean, I told everybody, I was recording my song. I was always loving. And the night before, late afternoon, the day before the session, Colonel Tom Parker had tried to get in touch with me. And so I thought it was about maybe if to ask, if I'll be willing to pick Jews or, you know, that sort of thing. So he had to tell me that they do not record anything with Elvis unless they have the publishing
Starting point is 00:08:20 or at least have the publishing. And I already had a number one song on it myself. And so that was the most important copy right in my publishing company. And I told him, I said, well, I'm not going to be able to do that. And he said, well, then we're not going to be able to record the song.
Starting point is 00:08:38 And I even said, I think, does Elvis know about that? And he said something to the effect of what I'm Elvis's manager. And I make the business decisions. I think, does Elvis know about that? And he said something to the effect of like, I'm Elvis's manager and I make the business decisions. And I said, well, this is a heartbreaker for me, but I'm not going to be able to do it. And so I didn't, and that broke my heart, but I felt I had to stand up for my rights,
Starting point is 00:09:01 for my creativity and for the things that I'm hoping to lead for my family when I'm out here. Mmm. And was it difficult? Did you struggle with it or was it just you knew you had a bright line, my songwriting and my intellectual property, it stays with me and that's it. If it had been maybe another song that was not that important. If it had been something new, I might have considered, you know, have split in the publishing, you know, to get Elvis to sing something, but not that song.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Because it had already proven itself. It had been number one, you know, already. But that was hard, but that's the kind of decision you have to make as a business person. But yes, it broke my heart. I cried all night about it. And then even now in my rock album, I wrote a song about it, called I dreamed about Elvis. And it's all about Elvis coming to me in my sleep. And
Starting point is 00:09:56 tell, you know, and it tells the whole story about the song and current Tom screwing that up, better singing out of love. So I sang it with Ron and McDowell, who sounds exactly like Elvis. And I had a conversation with Elvis, and he's saying with me, and I'll always love you, and use the Jordanaires, and so it's a real special cut from the album that tells that story. So I said, I've got to hear Elvis, or at least the sound to like, see how he would sound on this song. So that's what I did.
Starting point is 00:10:18 But anyway, getting back to being a businesswoman, those are the decisions that I've been able to. But anyway, getting back to being a business woman, those are the decisions you have to make. I don't even know that I even considered that one for a moment. But I had to make that decision as I've had to make other heartbreaking decisions through the years, but I just believe
Starting point is 00:10:42 that I have to protect my rights. Mm-hmm. And it's so interesting because when you say you're able to make decisions and break your heart, it means that there's something else in you that is above and beyond even your own heart. I'm a spiritual person too. I feel like I always have one foot in the spiritual world and one in this world and I'm always trying to figure that out. You make decisions as someone who's so grounded in something. Don't you have like a morning spiritual routine that you go through each morning? Is that something that that you do? I've always done that. I've always been a person that I do my prayers, I do my affirmations, I do my requests, so to speak, and I'll just send it out there. But that part of me that's not my heart when I say
Starting point is 00:11:41 breaks my heart to do it, then I have to draw on my higher wisdom. I have to draw on that thing that's bigger than me. I have to try to, and listen very close to what that voice is saying to me. And that's how I make so many of my decisions. There's a lot of people call that your butt feeling, you know, like I knew in my gut. That was the thing to do.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Well, I know in my heart and in my higher cell, what the right things are because I pray about it and leave myself open to the right answers. And the only times I've ever made major mistakes, if you want to call them that, are times that I didn't listen to that voice and allowed a situation or someone to kind of, and allowed a situation or someone to kind of, you know, not just to say, oh, you know, what, maybe it's not that big of a deal. But I'm always pay for it if I go against that higher wisdom. Our friend Cheryl Strait says, sometimes you have to be brave enough to break your own heart.
Starting point is 00:12:39 So we need to tell you that in our home, we listened to your new album with our 15-year-old who was as blown away that we were talking to you today as our 80-year-old dad. That is a weird thing. That's weird. You're the icon of the 15-year-olds and of the 80-year-olds. Wow. Okay. So the new album is a damn delight rock star
Starting point is 00:13:05 besides some new fantastic songs you collaborated with so many greats including our dear friend Brandy Carlisle so that was a special moment for us. I love her too. Oh, isn't she just a special human being? Oh, she is, she's a doll. I've loved her for years, we've always had a connection. We always talk about our writing,
Starting point is 00:13:27 but we talk about life. And we're just very similar in our spirit and in the way that we create. And the way we feel about people. She's got a good little heart in her. And she is so gifted. And I respect and appreciate all God's gifts. And she's certainly got a great one.
Starting point is 00:13:44 We could not acclaim more. But getting back to your 80 year old and your 15 year old, I've been around a long time. I've been for six decades, I have been in show business, in the business growing. And people kind of have grown up with me. And when I was lucky enough to be on Hannah Montana with my favorite Goddaughter, Miley Cyrus, who sings one of the songs in the album with me, fair goddaughter, Molly Cyrus,
Starting point is 00:14:05 who sings one of the songs in the album with me, her song, Rick and Ball. But when I was on Hannah Montana, well, I just started a whole new career with all the young kids, like a little kid, love that, and all the, because that's what I was on the show.
Starting point is 00:14:20 And so they have followed me too, but then the eight-year-olds and people like that were falling me when I was growing in the business. So I think that people feel like they know me. I'm like a relative, someone they've always known, and that they've always kind of liked. It's like, oh, and all these good men, we have a good job. So I kind of feel like people just relate to me because they've always seen me. It just seemed like so much fun listening to Rockstar. What was your favorite part of recording it? Well, I just love the idea that I was going to do a rock album here. I'm 77 years old and I'm going to be a rock star. And so I thought, well, I have to call it rock star,
Starting point is 00:15:05 just for fun. And I did it because they put me in the Rock'n'Roo Hall of Fame and I didn't feel I'd done enough to earn that particular title. So I thought, well, I gotta have a rock'n'Roo Hall of Fame. And I didn't feel I'd done enough to earn that particular title. So I thought, well, I gotta have a rock'n'Roo Hall of Fame. And I didn't feel I'd done enough to earn that particular title.
Starting point is 00:15:20 So I thought, well, I gotta have a rock'n'Roo Hall of Fame. So I thought, well, I gotta have a rock'n'Roo Hall of Fame. And I kinda earned my keep, so to speak. But then when I started doing these great iconic songs in the studio by myself. I was thinking, wow, wouldn't it be cool to get some of these great iconic artists, the song that wrote or sang on these song originally. And I thought, how cool that beat. It's cool. Just getting in the studio, getting to know some of these people personally, and just hearing their voices in mind, live at the same time, or just hearing us, you know, hearing their in my headphones, just hearing that was amazing. For instance, when I did Magic Man with Ann Wilson, who is a fantastic singer.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I mean, I had to read put on my top belt for, you know, for some of that stuff, because I thought, well, I have to, she's a great singer. So I have to really dig down to even get everything I have, you know, to match that, because no way you get out singing, but you want to try to be as good as her, at least not to be better yourself. So it was fun to get in the studio. It was kind of a challenge, but a sweet, you know, melodic kind of, you know, challenge onic kind of challenge on some of the stuff and we weren't fighting, but it was almost kind of like a, you know, competition.
Starting point is 00:16:31 We look at each other life and think, oh yeah, you're going to hit that note, well, I'm going to hit this one, you know, oh yeah, you think you can outdo me while watch this. How did you narrow it down to those songs? It must have been overwhelming. That's a very interesting creative endeavor to try to do that. It's funny. I've got a kick out of when you said, how did you narrow it down?
Starting point is 00:16:56 I think narrow it down. Nobody ever intended to do 30 songs ever in the whole life. That's true. I had not intended to do that many songs. Usually when you record any album, you go in and you have a few extras. But you think, oh, good, I'll have a few left in the can, we call it. So let's go in the shelf for bonus tracks or to re-release some other time. But I was just doing this on a demo scale.
Starting point is 00:17:22 I didn't tell anybody I was actually recording the album. My management, nobody, because I just went in with Kent Wells, who is my musical director. I said, I don't want you to tell nobody. And we kind of swore the musicians to see, because they don't be talking about this, till we see what we've got and then see if this is really something I need to be doing. So anyhow, we got great musicians and I kept recording these
Starting point is 00:17:46 songs and then I thought, oh, I forgot. So I forgot this and Carl's favorite song of this. So I just kept recording until one day, plus I was going to just narrow down to like, Twil. Maybe that's the most. No, 12 or 13. So and so one, Kent said, now, don't we gotta stop? You can't record every day on songs, there have been written and rock and roll. So finally, we stopped and then we thought when we got ready to kind of think about putting the on together, we thought, we can't leave this out,
Starting point is 00:18:17 we can't leave this out, we can't leave that out. So we thought, well, I don't, why don't I just put it out? I've never done a rock, I'm never going to do another one. So I thought, well, let's just do it. So we did it. [♪ Music playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in You once said about being underestimated. By the time they think I don't know what's going on, I've got the money and I'm gone. Which I want to tattoo on my body. I am so interested in this idea of like you being underestimated and what that may
Starting point is 00:19:07 have to do with your very feminine fashion persona presentation. What do you think that has to do if at all with this underestimation? And how do you use fashion to express yourself and to navigate your way through culture and what does that have to do with being underestimated or not? Well actually the way I look came from a very serious place. Is it country girls on the end of glam just like my little song backwards Barbie? You know I'm just backwards Barbie Backwards Barbie too much makeup, too much hair, but don't be fool by thinking that the goods are not all there. And don't let these false eyelashes lead you to believe that I'm a shallow as I look, you know, because there's a there's a lot to me.
Starting point is 00:19:56 And so that's back in the day, back in the early days when I had had said what you just said, and I've got the money and go before they realize it meaning that it back in the early days Still looking trashy like I did more so we back then I just was always myself. I just always felt certain you know had to dress certain way because I was comfortable But I have to admit I can see why people would think of that girl can't know much. She got to be a dumb blonde You wouldn't be smart and dressed like that, going into a business meeting. But I had no problems with any of that,
Starting point is 00:20:30 because I had six brothers, my dad, my uncles, my grandpas, and I love men. I'm not intimidated to walk in a room with a bunch of men. So, but when some of all these really smart business men in those early days, I knew I had a product and I would often say, look, I think I got something that can make us all a bunch of money. That type of an attitude. But when you first go in, sometimes when you look like that, some of them just thinking
Starting point is 00:20:57 about that and looking about that and not paying attention to the business, and so before they realize that sometimes I'd made a deal that they couldn't get out of. And so that's kind of what I meant. So don't take anybody for granted that, you know, judging that book by the cover. Yeah. So that's basically what I meant. Don't judge anybody. Don't judge me because there's a whole lot to me. And I can't tell anybody else how to run their business. But I've often said I'm a very professional dolly partner.
Starting point is 00:21:32 And that's the only person I'm really responsible for. In business or anything else, you can share all your knowledge or anything you know. But you're the one that's responsible for you and the decisions that you make. Mm-hmm. Yeah. When you came to Nashville and you were doing this from the beginning, this fashion,
Starting point is 00:21:52 this style sense has always been you and behind the scenes, which is your new book, tracks, all of that so beautifully. But people were trying to get you to change that early in Nashville. Yes. When do you think it switched to when people understood, oh, she's doing something here and they stopped trying to get you to change? Well, pretty soon after I had my first,
Starting point is 00:22:19 people started paying attention when I started having hit records. Not a new start. I haven't saw it so long songs that I have written that other people were singing. And so yeah, that was when it first people thinking, hey, she's not a shallow, she looks, that kind of thing. But I thought people would love seeing my progression
Starting point is 00:22:38 and to chronicle my whole life in pictures. Because there's some pretty ridiculous funny stuff in there, I even laughed out loud myself. You know, trying to put these pictures and things together, they're like, where are you serious about that, don't you? I was like, well, I guess I must have been because I had it on. I was really, I was really supporting it. So, anyway, that was a lot of fun. Yeah, I was working in what's great. I get a chance to talk about all the great people that have helped make me what I am to have create
Starting point is 00:23:09 that image and the clothes that I've worn from my early days and mama making some of my first little stage clothes to the next door neighbor making clothes to my first people in Nashville. And then on up to where, like you're talking, I don't know, on the Oscar singing my song, traveling through.
Starting point is 00:23:27 So I just tell the stories about where I was, who these people were, what I was doing at the time. So I'm really proud, because it tells more stories like what we're talking about today. Yeah. I used to be a third grade teacher, reading teacher, and I'm a writer now. And so you and the
Starting point is 00:23:45 imagination library move my heart so so much. Having I always talk about this, which is that some of the women that we know in our lives or in the world who have the most vibrant and effective kind of world changingchanging mothering love, are people who are not raising their own children. The most amazing mothering people, who mother the whole planet. And then, so can you tell us what's the last thing you've done to mother the world that you are most proud of?
Starting point is 00:24:22 Well, I'm always mowed in somebody, even as I leave in this morning, I've got little nieces and nephews that I keep overnight sometimes, but I always believe that God didn't let me have children so everybody's kids could be mine. And I think I've proven that a lot through the imagination library,
Starting point is 00:24:39 and everybody comes to me for their mothering. I'm known as the Dalai Mama in my family and with my friends, you know, they come for advice, they come cry on my shoulder, they come for whatever they need to do. I'm just the one that's, you know, this kind of there because I've always been everybody's aunt Dalai, you know, and so it's just a love inside of me because I grew up, let us say it,
Starting point is 00:25:03 there's, I'm from a family of 12, and I get a lot of my love and stuff that I was taught through my own mother and my grandpa who was a preacher, so we taught that it's better to give than to receive, and you got to love one another. So that was instilled in me, and that's just part of who I am. Yeah, sure is. I want to ask you for some personal advice. So we have a little one who's entering the music industry.
Starting point is 00:25:29 She's 17, right? She's 17. Brandi's producing her. And she's a little creative songwriter. That's what she loves the most. And now she's entering into this world. What advice would you give to a little budding songwriter advice would you give to a little budding songwriter who's entering the business world? Well first of all I think music is a wonderful wonderful thing to
Starting point is 00:25:55 have in your life to learn to play the guitar even if you never make it as a success in the business to be able to write songs about things you see and feel and to be able to sing them. But it's wonderful if you can stick with that. But even I always tell my little niece is nephew's learn to play the guitar. You'll be the head of any party. You'll be the head of any camp, you know, camp bar gathering, whatever. If you can play, you know, everybody gets sing along.
Starting point is 00:26:24 You'll be popular anyway. And then if you're good enough, you know, if you're good enough, then you can become famous and play your guitar like, you know, Ed Sharon, you can sit around a bar and sing it or you can, you know, stand out on a stage in front of a hundred thousand people and do it. But I would just say to be true to yourself, And if you love it that much, you've got to put the time and effort. Nobody ever, ever made anything unless you work that dream. I remember when I first started playing guitar, my little fingers were so sore and so blistered
Starting point is 00:26:57 and hurt so bad. But I kept playing that until they became callous on the tip for I could actually play. They do. Real guitar players, you know, you got those fingers there and you've got to work it. But most even some of my own family, when they get to where them fingers start hurting, they could learn and play. I said, well, you're never going to get anywhere.
Starting point is 00:27:17 If you're not willing to deal with the Calis, you're not willing to deal with the problem. You know, this comes up, you know, in your life, there's a lot of of causes out there. Oh, good. You just name them different things. But I would just say, stay with it and enjoy it above everything else. And just keep trying and just keep focused. And like I said, be you and and gather your own strength and just step out and don't be afraid of it. My motto is, or I've always said, that my desire to do something is greater than my fear of it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You've been in the industry for six decades. You are a business woman, you are a musician, you've done, it seems like everything. What is the identity or title that you feel most at home calling yourself? I'm just Dolly. I'm just Dolly doing everything that Dolly wants to do or that I feel I'm capable of doing,
Starting point is 00:28:28 making a difference. So I'm very proud. A lot of people ask me if I have one thing that I'm proud of stuff. That's really kind of a hard question, because I'm very, very proud of what we were talking about, the imagination library, that I can get that many books and the hands of that many children. But I'm also proud that I'm a member
Starting point is 00:28:47 of the Grand Old Library. I'm proud that I can be a songwriter. So I want to be known for everything that I do. This worthy of color intention to. Wow. One of the things that keeps running through my head is I've heard you say that your favorite song that you wrote was Code of many colors.
Starting point is 00:29:08 I don't know if that's true, but I read it. And also, it's my daughter's favorite book that you turned into that book. And it's amazing to me because that song is a lot about the love and care that your mother put into that gorgeous jacket that she made you that also people are making fun of you about because it was all quilted together. So you came from this cabin no running water your father was a sharecropper your delivery of your your birth was paid with cornmeal, with your coat of many colors that became such a part of how we know you to this book about all of this fashion. And do you ever think about the way your mom, you know, thinking back to the time
Starting point is 00:30:00 where she makes you this coat, and it becomes this moment in your life where you love it, but people make fun of you for it. And now you have all of your fashions and the impact of that on the world. Like, what is the connection you make to those two in your head? I make a lot of connection to that because it's like what you were saying, just all those patches in that coat are really, you know, they really signify so much of what I've done in my life. Mine has been a lot of many colors and it is true that that's my favorite song because it does signify so much more. It deals with the bullying,
Starting point is 00:30:37 it deals with accepting, you know, acceptance, it deals with the love of family and certainly my mother, but that little song, that little story has meant so much to so many people. And so for so many different reasons, this love people, so many people have been made fun of for one reason or another. It's a terrible feeling to be made fun of for any reason to not be accepted as your chef for any reason. You just need to love one another and try to be open-hearted and accepting of people and things and life of your own self as well.
Starting point is 00:31:15 This part and thank you. You being yourself on purpose for so long in front of us has allowed all of us to be more of ourselves on purpose. And we are so grateful for you. Thank you so much to all of you. And I hope I've helped somebody out. As always, you have.
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