We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - Have We Ruined Fun? (And the Future of the Pod!)

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

We start the year by asking a simple question: Why does something that’s supposed to be fun—like youth sports—feel so awful?  After a scary incident at their daughter’s soccer game, Glennon and Abby talk honestly about how pressure, performance, and social capital have overtaken what was supposed to be fun. And why this problem isn’t about the kids—it’s about us. We share what’s ahead for We Can Do Hard Things in 2026, reflect on everything we’ve built together, and talk about letting go of what no longer fits so we can feel both held and free.- Why youth sports—and so many other systems—stopped being fun - How to re-enter old worlds without losing yourself - What healing looks like when it’s about trust, not quitting - What to expect from We Can Do Hard Things in 2026 Follow We Can Do Hard Things on:  Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/wecandohardthings TikTok — https://www.tiktok.com/@wecandohardthingsshow

Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. Welcome to 2026, everybody. So we'll set the scene for you. It is 2026 for you. For us, it is two weeks before 26. It is mid-December. That's correct. We're about to head into the holidays.

Before we do, we wanted to circle up and talk to you about 2026 and what it's going to look like and feel like and be like for this podcast. Before we do that, I had a real big vision of coming in with lots of positivity in 26. I just want to give you a little glimpse into what our family is dealing with this minute. Can we tell you a quick story about what happened last night, which my sister knows about and is now taking deep breaths because she's going to get my Irish out. I was trying to be stable, but now we're going here, and I've had to do a lot of deep breathing

not to fly to California and roll some heads. Right, and we're going to talk about it from Abby's perspective because she... That's probably better. My perspective is not one. I have no perspective. So why don't we tell the story of what happened? And we'll set the scene, which is that our kid, our youngest, is a really strong soccer player. And she is going to be a D1 athlete next year.

She's committed to a college. She is in the middle of her high school senior soccer season, which is just a very joyful, wonderful situation for our family because club soccer can be so intense. and high school soccer has been sort of just more for joy and fun and there's lots of freedom. A lot of camaraderie around your high school. There's a lot of good vibes. It's a place for club soccer players to like go play fun soccer again without the pressure of playing against some of the best players in their age group.

It's been fun-ish, but it's been. intense, as I've been telling you, Amanda, because since Amanda is a strong player on the team, the other team strategies have been to just attack her all game. Now, maybe Abby wouldn't use the word attack. I feel like it's just assault from the time the game starts until the end. That's what it feels like in my body. It's what it feels like sitting next to you in your body. That's for Sure. I'm sure it's been hard for AMA too. I know I've been struggling. Okay. Now that's enough setting the scene for Abby to take over. Yeah. So yesterday's game, Amma was playing, I had to get on a Zoom call. So I was in the parking lot. And I was missing the first half because of this call. I get a phone call from Glennon that like breaks through the Zoom. And I was like, uh-oh. And so I swiped up to check my tech. and Glennon said, Amma's on the ground, she hasn't moved in two minutes. I end my Zoom call and I just start hauling ass to the field.

Now, to preface this, Glennon throughout this early part of the season, because Emma has been, I wouldn't say targeted, but she's been scouted as one of the best players and the way that the other teams defend against her. Sometimes there's two players. Sometimes it's their biggest and strongest player. So she's gotten a little beaten up over the last couple of weeks of the season. If I were an opposing coach, I would probably do the exact same thing.

Like, oh, this is their strongest player. We have to play her very physical. We've got to play her hard, get her off her game, let all the other players try to beat us, right? So before Glennon gets out of the car and I got on my Zoom call, I say to Glennon, because she's going to be now by herself sitting in the stands. I feel. Which is the most dangerous part of this scenario right now. It's not Amma on the ground.

It's Glennon unattended looking at Amma on the ground. Yes. I often have to remind Glennon she's okay. It's okay. The referee called it. That wasn't a foul. You know, these sorts of things. Glennon gets very animated in protection of Amma.

There's something that like motherhood animalisticness comes over her. And so I get it. But as she was leaving, because I knew she was going to be by herself, I say to Glennon, famous last words, I said, honey, Amma can take care of herself. She's going to be okay. Every time someone tells me, it's going to be okay. It's a dirty lie. It's not true.

Every once in a while, it's not true. Every once in a while, the world takes over. Anyway, I end the Zoom. I take the phone call as I'm running, and she said she's been down for three minutes now. Please, like, get out there. like do something. And so I run straight out into the field and Amma's on her front side and cannot move. So I'm trying to assess the situation. Amma says, I broke my collarbone. I heard it crack. Everybody heard it crack. The refs heard it crack. And I'm like, okay. And so I just kind of poke around. I touch

her neck. I ask if anything else is hurt. And she said no. In these circumstances, when a kid is immobile, you want to make sure that it's nothing with their spine. So I did that quick analysis, and she said, it's just my collarbone. She was very upset and very in pain. We get her rolled over and we sit her up. And, you know, luckily with the collarbone, it's just upper body so you can walk. And we walked to the car and went to the doctors. We got her to the doctor and they took an x-ray and it's completely broken the collarbone.

And so she's out for eight weeks. and she's in so much pain upstairs, and it's just, oh, it reminds me of when our oldest was young and we put him in sports, he kept stopping to help people up, and he kept giving the ball to people on the other team if they really wanted it. I did a quick calculation, and they have more heart in this than I do. Yeah, he felt like if his team had had it for long enough that he should give it. Anyway, when we talked to him about this, he said, well, I just, you know, in his, his little way, he said basically like, but we always talk about sharing. So now I'm supposed to

not. And he couldn't figure out how to switch his whole like way of being to a different set of rules. And I think when you're a parent of a kid on a field that gets super physical, it feels like that. It feels like it's been my job to protect this kid forever. And now suddenly during these two hours, I'm supposed to convince my body that it's okay. And also high school. sports I have found to be scarier than even club. High school sports to me, I love the camaraderie and the coaching and the feeling of it, but the actual games feel like the Wild West because the skill levels are lower and the referees are less qualified. It's like out of control. It feels out of control, which scares the crap out of me. There's some kids who've never played the sport. For the

most part, it's an amazing experience for these kids to get them to learn how to play sports. But every once in a while, things like this that happen because you have such a disparity between a player like Emma who knows how to move her body and generally how the play is supposed to go versus a player who may not understand how to not go into a tackle when you're a couple seconds late like it happened to her yesterday. I really just think it's a kid who doesn't play soccer very often. She's not trying to break Emma. Like I know that.

But there was no play on the ball. Like this is what I just want to I know I don't know about these things. What you're saying is we have to suspend reality like if someone attacks my child in any other context other than this socially sanctioned context, I'm supposed to be really upset. But in this one, I'm supposed to be really cool about it and be like things happen. So that's so strange to me because a certain thing that happens in a particular context, we have decided there's rules around it. If you punch someone on the street, they press charges, you're going to jail. If a kid tackles and breaks a bone of a kid unprovoked on the street, there's going to be charges.

If it's in a game, we are all supposed to say, well, we signed up for this. I understand if you're making a play on the ball. What I saw in that video clip was not a play on the ball. I saw someone, I am presuming, these are my inferences, and based on what has happened, game over game was told make sure to isolate that player. We have decided that's okay to do. So that girl was doing her job, right? Someone told her to do that. She did it and that resulted in an injury to Emma. So what I'm saying is that will continue to happen. Things continue to happen unless there are consequences for things that happen. If we all just continue to say that's what it is, that's

what we signed up for, then those types of injuries will continue to happen. The problem with this theory, though, the referee, and God bless the referees, because none of us want to actually referee, the referees are the ones that didn't handle that interaction correctly. But that's on a case-by-case basis. I'm talking about a systemic, like, if coaches who are the ones who either tacitly accept that their players go out and take on without a play on the ball, the best player on the other team risking a major injury or who directly tell them to do it don't have consequences,

then it will continue to happen and will continue to say it's like on a case-by-case referee. It doesn't matter. If that referee had intervened there, she would have still broken her collarbone in that instance. Like if it were in a professional league, even if the ref didn't call it, they would review that play. There would be enough uprising that like what used to happen when you played Abby. Like the ref missed a horrible thing that somebody did to you, a dirty, dirty hit. The ref missed it.

They got so much backlash because the crowd saw it that they reviewed the play afterward. And there was a system that stepped in that said, oh, yeah, sometimes the ref's going to miss something, but the system sees it and that person got consequences, correct? Yeah. But I do think that the systemic issues that you're talking about are indicated by the individual case-by-case basis that do happen. So let's just play it out, right? Like, let's say the referee handled it correct and gave her a red card, right? Yes, Amma would still be injured, but that changes that player forever. Like, when you get sent off and you are punished in the

moment for something and a player does get injured, that does change the way that you go into that. There is this weird gray area, and I understand what you're saying, sister. We've talked to Ameth today about it like do you want to do anything about this and she's like no she said something that i keep thinking about last night i was upset about it and said something and we were all in bed together she's like we were all four of us me abby amma chase were all laying in bed and the dogs and the dogs with her and then her friends came and brought her three little her three little best friends from high school brought her little treats and they were all in the bedroom with us it was kind of insane actually I said something about how bad it was.

And I said, I wonder if they're going to talk to the other coach. And I said, you know, Mom, it's just like when you're on the field, weird parts of your personality come out. And it was like she was trying to teach me that like it happens to her too. Something that I didn't understand happens on the field where like parts of yourself that you don't know or like or can come out. I don't know. I don't know.

I also just think it's like a macro. situation. I'm so sick of people not being punished for freaking breaking rules in the country. Everything feels like the Wild West and it feels like a hard time to protect your family or your kids or anything from anyone and there's something that's going on in my body that is just reacting on all the levels. But shout out to the parents who have kids in sports. It's not. It's awful is what it is. It's awful. It's awful. Half the time, I want to just stand up in the middle and being like, we're doing this

on purpose for the purposes of fun. That's what we're allegedly doing. And I'm looking around on all the parents, either look, pissed that their kid isn't playing, pissed that they're not playing like they should be because of all the training and the money that they put into them, mad at the coach for running a play,

the coaches are mad at the kids. I'm like, this is an elective thing in our lives. This is something that no one has to do. Yeah. And we're all came here to do it and raise your hand if any of you are having fun. I know. But here's the problem with what you're saying, Sissy. It has absolutely nothing to do with us as parents. It's the kids. No, it has everything to do with us in its current regime. In its current regime, it has everything to do with a parent trying to have their kid live vicariously, trying to prove their family worthy, trying to gather whatever social capital. the parents can get from the child until they go on to get their higher levels of social capital through their degrees and their money and their whatever.

It is the deliverance to the parents from the child to show that they are doing a good job and their families on top. That is what's happening in this environment. We should just, you know how like sometimes these sports people, they do their game, but then there's watch parties in other places. I feel like maybe parents should only be. allowed to do that. Like parents shouldn't even be able to be there. That's actually a really good idea. And there should be referees also at the watch party for parental behavior. And it's just

like yellow cards and red cards. And you just only, there's two parents left at the end. In some clubs here in Southern California, they do silent Saturdays where the parents are banned from speaking on the sidelines. And it's like this really beautiful thing that ends up happening where the kids can actually hear their kids for the first time. I think that that's an interesting experiment. So anyway, that's why we're in soft fans and not as positive as we wanted to be. Anyway, here's to 2006. Cheers. But by the way, she's going to be fine. Okay. That's what you said yesterday. She doesn't need surgery. And I meant it then and I mean it now. Her body will heal. Sports, they're inherently dangerous. There's things that happen and we can't control the outcomes. But

what we can do is just know that she's a tough cookie, she's handling it, and she's going to get through this. And so are we. I feel like people should not break my child's bones. And that I feel like that should be a mountain I can die on. But no, it's not. It's a sad thing. No, watch your kid be in pain. It really is. Just, yeah. It's a toughie. Oh, okay. But we're going to be okay. Here we go. New Year, same us. Let's walk this incredible pod squad through what we're planning and dreaming and intending for our work and our lives in 2026 and what they can expect here. And before we do that, because Abby always talks about how, especially in our family, we don't do enough like recapping or celebrating. Celebrating.

Thank God. Before we move on to a new thing. So let us discuss what we are proudest about or most grateful or however you want to frame it for what we have done on the podcast so far. One thing that I'm really proud of from our whole team, mostly the people who have been on this project from the beginning have been in the trenches the most are you and me and, Amanda and Allison, and then Audrey came in and really helped over the last couple years. I'm proud of a couple things, one being that we have done it. I didn't even know. Most other podcasts, our size, have like full teams of producers who do a lot of the

guest deciding, shaping of episodes and the questions and all of that. I didn't know that that's how it went until recently, and because of that ignorance, And also because of, I think, the fact that we feel unable to put anything out in the world that didn't come from, like, the depths of our guts and hearts and brains, that we probably couldn't do it any other way, but the fact that we have really created and curated every bit, every minute ourselves of this project makes me really proud. And secondly, our commitment to the particular voices that we,

decided to highlight on this pod. We, from the very beginning five years ago, decided we are not going to default to the voices that are the easiest to grab that are the most celebrated, that are the go-toes for most media places. We are going to find the best voices, not just the most visible. And because of our commitment to finding the best voices, I guess best isn't a good word. I shouldn't use that. Most resonant, most soulful, most expert. Necessary. Yeah, necessary.

The kind of voices where you listen to them and you think that, that is not bullshit. That is real. That is lived experience. That is truth. And we do that over and over again, knowing that it will be a harder climb for us. That, like, there are certain voices that you plug into a, a show or a podcast that immediately gets millions of downloads because that people want what they know already.

I mean, I think we've, in 500 episodes, we've had five straight white guys on our podcast. Wow. And we should mention the independent part. The podcast squad doesn't even know this and we can go into this another time. But what we've gone through behind the scenes, because of the way we have chosen to use our voices in this moment and because we have continued to be political because we have continued to speak out consistently and because we have continued to speak out about specific things like Palestine we have experienced career changing effects from that which we knew what happened

beforehand and we decided we are the people that should be doing that we can withstand career shifting dynamics and so we went into that intentionally. We regret nothing. We're proud of all of it. We left a network. We went completely independent. We spent a year learning how to a podcast runs, how advertisers happen, how production happened. And we deconstructed our entire lives and jobs and took it all in-house and started producing it completely ourselves. Well, with the help of the Silver Tribe, too. And that's, I'm proud of us for that too. It was about four months ago that we made that shift. I mean, it feels like it dovetails with something that I'm most gratified by by that podcast, is that it felt like

everything we did was because we were going through something. We needed to learn about something to make sense of our lives or to the world around us. I can't sleep until I figure this out. Or I am really struggling with this relationally or I need, I've started doing IFS in therapy and I need more of it. I need to understand it because it feels like it's something real or I just read this book and it changed everything about how I feel and I, we need to talk about it. What was so special about this whole process up to now is it feels like it is what we needed, which is selfish in a way, and also very affirming to know that those deepest personal struggles are also what are people needed to hear when we meet listeners or on the tour or

just in our inbox or our voicemails when people say, thank you, that is what I needed to hear or that changed something for me or I've been dying to talk about that thing. Thank you for having the conversations no one else is having. It's like, oh, wait, we're all like little streams that are going into this same river. We feel like we're all struggling individually or all grappling with a particular question or something is plaguing us. It's very, very similar. And so that makes me feel hopeful and it makes me feel less alone and it makes me feel part of this collective. For me, what feels most gratifying is that. what I hear from listeners in terms of what our podcast does for them is the same thing

that it does for me and that their existence and they're saying that is the same thing that I am thankful for from them because saying hearing you talk about this makes me feel less alone it makes me feel less alone yeah to know that the response is so resonant like it just gives me hope it's not each of us like struggling individually in our houses when we can share with each other it is all of us struggling and when we can struggle together is when we can start to fix some of these things because when we're all struggling together in the pursuit of the same solidarity and solution is when we start to have progress in things yeah that has been really encouraging and hopeful and powerful for me to hear it's interesting

because that's why the producing it ourselves and not having an outside, that's why people feel that because it is happening in us first before it happens out of us. And that's why it's real. Like that's why I can never imagine just like showing up and it being like, here's your things, here's your guests, here's your questions. It has to come from the inside out in order for it to get to other people's insights. It's very similar to my experience. because I'm thinking back the last five years of doing this with you all. And it wasn't my intention. I didn't set out to feel this way five years later.

What it has done for me is it has allowed me to heal parts of myself that I didn't know I needed to heal. You know, one of the biggest problems I had being a soccer player is it felt so singularly focused on just one thing for so long. and that's what this person needed to do in order to be at the level that I was at for so long. But it always made me question all the other parts of myself that I had not underdeveloped, but just not developed. And so like this show has allowed me and given me the space and the environment and the education and the people and the conversation to help heal myself. in order to kind of come full circle to realize and really open myself back up to getting into the sports world again. That's so cool.

It's been something I've been thinking about. Like I really wanted to be a good parent and I really wanted to be a good wife and you know, untamed came out and you were working really hard. So we made a collective decision as a family that like I would be a little bit more like homebound and home-minded and kid not that you weren't because you were doing everything like you always do but that I would try to hold up the house what are they what is the saying keep the fire burning yeah is that a sex thing hold down the fort hold down the fort yeah that's what it is now I'm just like wow I now stepping back into the women's sports world with the new

podcast, what I am noticing in myself that I've learned from this podcast is, oh my gosh, Abby, you don't have to do everything like you did then. There are things for me in the sports world and then there are things that also are not for me that I don't need to participate in. I don't have to say yes to everything. Like I did feel like I needed to back 10 years ago. Now this reentering into the women's sports world, into the sports world, really I feel a little bit taller and I feel a little bit more healed, I feel healed in a way that I can interact with sports and bring this, all the parts of myself with me. Wow. Yeah. It's so cool to see. Like Chase was saying the other day that he wants to have a life where all of the parts of himself have room to exist.

And it felt like, it feels like now you are reactivating that huge part of yourself that is so, I mean, you're like so smiley right now. And like, I don't know. It's just great. It's really great. Sports are fun. And here's the thing for the folks listening. Sports are political.

They are inherently political, like watching women's sports, watching people go out there and be powerful and compete against each other and be like hardcore and badass and incredible. We women are always fighting for something, whether it's better pay or better CBA agreements or better treatment, like whatever it is. Every time you watch a women's sporting event, you are voting for people who are fighting for freedom and to have an existence and to be respected. And like the WNBA and the NWSL and Love B volleyball, like women's sports is not just having a moment because, oh my God, this has been a thing that's been collectively happening over

time. And I missed it. I missed it so much. And I missed my friends so much. So that's wonderful yeah thanks for this whole thing like thanks to the pod squad i've been on this healing journey with you is there something in your life that i mean i kind of turned my back on sports it was almost a necessity that i had to literally turn my back on it i just couldn't even see it i didn't even want you know anyways i feel like when you get out of anything super super intense that's almost cult like in its demand for your full being, you know, our kids are obsessed with, they constantly watch the Kimmy Schmidt show. And I feel like when you guys retire, you're like mole women. Like you like come out of the bunker and you're like, wait, what's going on out here? Like what has

everyone else been doing? And maybe it requires a bit of time, like you said, to reactivate all the parts of yourself and work on or allow to breathe the parts you had to shut down to be great, to be focused enough to be great. And now you're like a full self coming back. And you're relaxed about it. There's no scarcity involved in it. You're not trying to win anything. But it feels like a relationship where if you get out of a relationship where you lost yourself in it, then you think, I can't be in a relationship. It's like the idea that like if you go back into relationship, that is what happens to me in relationships,

is that I lose myself. And so therefore I'm going to do all of these other things, but not pursue relationship. But when that healing happens, like what you're talking about Abby, I think what happened is not that you could trust sport, but that you could trust yourself to remain whole inside of anything. That's right.

And so you are able to go back, in and say, I will go back into a relationship because I know I can trust myself to be with myself and to say yes to what I want and no to what I don't want and be part of it. And so I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think it happens to a lot of us. It happens in a thousand different ways. I am losing myself in work. So I have to quit this job. I can't deal with like the friction with my parents and the tension and the control. And so I'm going to cut them off. It's hard for us. to be ourselves inside of things that are unwieldly. Yes.

We make that the problem. And so we cut that part out so that that is no longer the problem. But what my healing has taught me is, especially with my addiction at the end of my career and the anxiety and the pressures that I was dealing with, I wasn't able to handle all of that. Me, myself. It wasn't the drinking. it wasn't the soccer it was me and so now with this like healed you're totally right like with this more grounded healed version of myself going back in i trust myself you're totally right i like that

you spun it that way that's like the right way good job sissy okay so you're going to be doing the sports and we're really excited about that yeah i know i keep telling glennon all about it we were watching a game the other day volleyball have you ever watched a women's volleyball game ball game. I've never have. I was minding my own. Did you watch Texas and Nebraska? That's what we were watching. Yeah, Texas A&M of Nebraska. Yeah. Yeah. Because Texas, sorry. Texas is different in Texas A&M. Yeah, they're very particular about that in Texas. They are. Yes. That was incredible. Yeah. Damn. Big upset. Also, before we move on from volleyball, I realize what I love about volleyball. Very intense. Your heart is up and down. They are flailing

themselves about the teams don't touch each other. That was a big revelation. The teams do not have access to each other's bodies. They can't, when the ref turns around, they can't shove them down. They can't break their collarbones. They can't do shit to each other because they have very smartly put a net between them. And this is what I like about it. Volleyball. Sports with boundaries.

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and what we feel like is probably in sync to everyday life for our listeners. And so part of going independent was in a way to match what we are putting out in the world with the rhythm that we have in us and not just doing more and more and more for more sake. So what we want to do is less quantity, more quality, more intention, less just amount of things and so that has been a really cool part of what this independent process has been that we get to say actually we think one podcast a week is in line with what people can consume the last goddamn thing we need to do is make people feel like a failure in more parts of their lives like if you're behind in every part of your life let you not be behind

and we can do our things like we cannot be on that shame cycle with you so we would like to lighten your load and give you one hour a week that you can really marinate in and give you something to think about without overloading you in a world that always just wants more more and more and more of everything so we are going to be doing one podcast a week on tuesdays we are going to have one a month that is new and kind of what's going on personally with all of us. We are going to have two podcasts that are the conversations we've have that talk to this moment because during that time when we were being kind of pressured to do three podcasts a week, we know that those were not getting to people the way that we wanted them to.

And some of those were our richest, most beautiful conversations that are. really speaking to this moment and we we want folks to be able to listen to those and then drum roll please drum roll please was that a drum roll that was not a drum roll i liked it though thank you oh that was a much better drum roll thank you and then one podcast a week i'm really excited about because i have asked for the opportunity to do one that is a Essentially, you won't believe this bullshit, okay? Yes. Is the main concept behind it.

I want to talk about things that we just kind of accept as true and natural and just part of life, but that have always had a story behind them, but we have never heard that story and who that story serves and who it hurts. It's like all of society is like a janga tower. And once you start tugging on a few seemingly inconsequential pieces, it feels like this isn't made of anything sturdy. I really love just picking one thing and being like, what does this one phenomenon, this one thing that we don't spend a lot of time thinking about, but we just receive as inevitable, what does it mean about our lives and our societies and our own? own choices and how we can make things better. I'm excited by how excited I am about it. Like I want to do one on why are billionaires? Like yes. It's like a real housewives meets the history

channel is what I'm going for. Oh my God. Who they are. How we created them because they're creation of us like with our tax dollars and our sweat and our labor. Why we idolize them instead of questioning why the hell we're subsidizing them, how they are actually running our country and how wealth inequality is actually a cornerstone of destabilizing society. So why we should care about them, even though we think we only care about them to idolize them.

I want to talk about just random shit, priest's celibacy. We're like, that's just a thing. That's a thing that always has been. But no, it wasn't a thing. It was only a thing until the church decided that they wanted to not pay for the priest's families and wanted to keep the land within the church, the carbon footprint, which is we're all supposed to be tiptoeing around our carbon footprint, but how that term was actually invented by BP,

the oil and gas empire. They invented it and to promote it throughout our society to make us believe that we individually are responsible for decimating the planet, except for the fact that 75% of climate change is actually committed by 90 companies, 9-0. Wow. So instead of going after the 90 companies that produce 75%, you're supposed to make sure you compost, okay? That's right.

That's what I want to talk about. I want to talk about terms that we use all the time. Like the Middle East, the Middle East, that's just a place. We know that's a place. That is only the Middle East because Britain brutally colonialized the entire planet, and it was Middle East of them. But we're still calling the Middle East, the Middle East, like Banana Republic, which because Guatemala fought this huge revolution to try to find,

finally established democratic governance, but because that democratic governance threatened the profits of the United Fruit Company, which owned 3.5 million acres in Central America, these United States of America sent the CIA into topple the Democratic regime in 1954 so that the United Fruit Company could keep its products. That's why we call them Banana Republics. What? Like just how working moms right now. Now, working moms right now, work more time with their household and their child care than stay at home moms did in the 70s. And that's why we're also fucking crazy. I just want to talk about all of the things that are like, these are real things.

This is why this place is insane. These are the jenga pieces that we can pull out. We can build a little bit stronger, sturdier places by knowing little bits of history, by naming the rules that are unspoken rules. and by deciding we're not going to do that shit anymore. I love this so much. Like I could listen to you just keep going on and on and on about all of that. This is exactly what you should be doing. And now it's time for our ads.

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where you explain how the genocides of today are connected to the genocide that led to the creation of this country and how connected they are and when you said like the anyway just go see that because i feel like on amanda's IG page yeah that is like what you do so brilliantly and that's why it went so crazy and changed people's day and week and I think that this show will do that and it gives like space to all your fire and your wisdom and your brilliance and your creativity and I'm are you going to call it you won't believe this bullshit I don't know so good I don't know maybe I love that but sister I just want to make the pod squad know that they will be able to find it here oh yeah it's just going to be a monthly

we can do our things show is going to be on some kind of like taking some little cultural or historic moment and and teaching us the real thing behind it that we were never taught and connecting it to our daily lives like how it impacts how we actually operate in the world so freaking do you feel nervous about it at all or only excited I feel skited it feels a little vulnerable you know if you say you're we can do our things people are like yes please i want to come on your show but i'm like um it's just me will you come and talk to me and i feel a little vulnerable about it and then i feel like well people like it but i i don't know i hope so if you ever want to ask me i'm going to always say yes thank you happy i'm just wanting to let you know that more than one time i've been doing a book signing and i've looked down and there's a kid with their mom there and it's a kid in a jersey and the kid looks at me and says where's Abby and I say oh honey she's not here and the kids start both two times started bawling in the book line it's like

I've been waiting in this line for you I do understand that feeling I feel like that's a parent's fault like you should really check on that before you let the kid wait in the line that's so exciting and I am going to in addition to our monthly shows we're doing I'm I'm going to, I've been writing again. Yo, dudes. I've been ready. And writing. And that's been really kind of scary and special and exciting for me.

And don't worry, everybody. We just figured out how to do Google Docs. So Glennon won't lose the entire book that she's been writing on one Microsoft document. And it is 50,000 words. In one document. And I just. And I just, I'm like, we've got to fix the system. I just email it.

to myself every day when I'm done so that I don't lose it. Anyway, I feel like it's good for me right now. I'm trying not to make sweeping things, but I do feel like the constant, what you're talking about with the pressure of just like having to always be talking has felt to me a little bit like being in the water and just like constantly being in the surf, constantly being in the waves every day just trying to, you know, flail about and look as if I'm floating and not be taken under. I mean, it's just kind of felt that a bit of energy. And when I am in more of a writing mode, I feel more like I'm diving below. And for me, I think both of those places are extremely important for thinkers to be.

I think we need people in the surf every day showing us how to flail about. how to react to each wave. That is so important, but I also think we also need people, some people to be below, maybe a little bit out of the daily surf, but different ideas settle in down there. And so I find myself in my writing still responding to all that's going on, to everything in the air, but in sort of a different way that's just lower for me and feels a little bit steadier and more stable for me right now so i'm really grateful for that i also just um as you guys know that i'm going into my 50th year i'm turning 50 this year and it is interesting how when

you were saying amanda that we feel like what people need is maybe a little less like we just don't need so much i also feel that for myself i feel like you know you both know that we can talk about this more another time but I really got to the point where I kind of woke up one day and was like how have I created a life where the most important relationships in my life are like so business-based suddenly that you know Abby and I were noticing some dynamics in our house that we did not love it felt like every conversation was suddenly about work that's not how we've ever been I felt like every relationship that you and I were having was about work and that is not we had like lost this whole other realm that we used to live in and I

don't want that for my 50s. I want to live in a real realm that is not about hustle and is not about relevance and it's not about more and more and is about relationship. And so I'm making like real life in person, in flesh relationships. You can get to a point where it's like you realize that the people you call your friends, you actually haven't seen for four years and you're really just friends because you know what's going on in social media i'm craving like analog life i want to see people in i want to be on my couch with them i want to make nonsensical trips that have nothing to do with work and are just to be with people and i want to feel that tetheredness i might always feel like a macy's day balloon but i want to feel like i have a bunch of handlers like tethers and that's what

friendship feels to me and relationship with you guys. So I want to find ways to focus. I want to wake up every day and think art, think relationships. I mean, the other day, we were talking to somebody about what was going on in the 2026. And I was saying, well, we're, you know, we're still going strong with the Come See Me in the Good Light project, which has been so beautiful. And we're executive producing this musical that Emily Saylor is doing that's so beautiful. And Abby's working with Billy Jean King and I said I think what we do is just we make good art with old lesbians and I was like when I said that I was like yep that that's right that's a little niche but it's my niche but really we make good art with good people totally and I mean old and the

majority of whom happened to be old lesbians the Venn diagram of good people and old lesbians is almost a full circle amen and I mean old when I say old now I mean that with nothing you're including yourself in that absolutely yeah yeah yeah yeah we're the old lesbians now oh look at us we're the elders yeah also i just want to say because we didn't really like do a lot of the celebrating part so i'm going to read a few incredible things that this podcast has accomplished over the last five years okay wow does the pod squad know that we've reached more than half a billion place that's crazy a half a billion we've won every Every major podcast award, Webby's, Gracie's, I Heart Signal.

This debuted as the number one show on Apple Podcast. It was named the Hollywood Reporter's Most Powerful People in Podcasting for three straight years. And we sold out a 10-city nation tour within hours. We've never missed a week since launching in May 2021. Never taken a break, showing up through our own illnesses and losses. We've brought our activism into the show helping bring the tour. total to $56 million raised and distributed in global aid. And most importantly, we've stayed true to our mission,

creating honest, brave, important conversations about the reality of life and how to stay human. Y'all, that's fucking incredible. As a person who celebrates and loves trash TV, I say this with great respect for any medium. But... What are you going to say right now? I just feel like I want to honor the listeners of this show because it is easier to

listen to easier things. It's true. Most of the shows that are celebrated, there's like a vibe of ignoring the zeitgeist, of staying away from what is difficult, of not aligning with what challenges us, of not saying and doing scary, hard things when they need to be said and done. And the people who every single day listen to this are opting in to that sort of, well, Amanda, you kind of described it. There's a piece that comes with it.

It's the piece from facing dead on what is hard and taking responsibility for what we need to know. It's a way of being responsible, I think. And we're going to be, I was about to say we're going to be funny and lighten up, but I've said that every year. We never fucking do that. So for me, yes, it's easier to not have hard conversations. It's easier not to confront things.

It's easier because healing hurts. That's the irony. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who am I right now? Yes. Healing hurts. And so it's hard work and it's painful. And so it's easier to avoid it.

And I understand. why lots of people do and i just want to say that if you have been on this journey of healing that the three of us have been on together and working on healing yourself through it good for you on all that hard work because it would have been easier to not do that and also that is the real self-care right that's it that is the only and the highest thing i think you can do on this planet is to be committed to heal yourself. And so it's just such an honor to be doing it with y'all. I want to say one more thing before we go and then I know we need to go. This just struck me when we were talking about all of our things. Do you think that the result,

it could feel random this way, what we're doing this year. It also feels like maybe the shit we've been doing has worked because it feels like we're individuating. Yes. Like we're doing it. But we're also doing it in the way that I always think of as the highest form of love. Like what I want so much in my life is the kind of love that makes you feel held and free. Like the most beautiful kind of communities are where we don't have to give up our individuality. But we also don't have to give up our belonging.

We don't have to pick one or the other. And it feels like this version we're trying in 2026 is like, yes, We are going to come together, but we are also going to be free to each be who we are in our separate arenas as well. That's right. That can't be a coincidence. Like, I feel like maybe this shit is working. I think it might be.

That's really good. I mean, much is not working, but some things are working. So there's that. I love you both. I love this podcast squad community. Thanks for evolving with us. Thanks for doing life with us. And I think it's going to be a special 2026.

As Abby would say, let's fucking go. Bye. Love you guys. Bye. We Can Do Hard Things is an independent production podcast brought to you by Treat Media. Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay human. And you can follow us at We Can Do Hard Things on Instagram and at We Can Do Hard Things show on TikTok. Thank you.