We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - Jimmy Kimmel & Molly McNearney: What Really Happened

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

In this delightful, hilarious, and deeply honest conversation, our friends (and neighbors!) Jimmy Kimmel and Molly McNearney tell us: - What really happened the night the Jimmy Kimmel Live show was suspended,  - How they told their kids,  - How they loved each other through the crisis;  - How we can stay brave, be steady, love each other, and love our country—even during the worst of times; and - Of course, Jimmy’s favorite recent pranks. This conversation is a gift. You won’t want to miss it.  About Jimmy and Molly:   About Molly:  Molly McNearney is an Emmy winning writer, producer, and actor. She began her career as an assistant for JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE in 2004 and has since worked her way up to become Head Writer and Executive Producer which she has served for the last decade. McNearney has been a writer for THE OSCAR AWARDS four times and THE EMMY AWARDS three times. She can also be seen acting in DUMPLIN’ & MURDER MYSTERY for Netflix. McNearney, her husband Jimmy, and their two children live in Los Angeles. About Jimmy Jimmy Kimmel is the host and executive producer of the Emmy® Award-winning “Jimmy Kimmel Live.” With over 22 years on the air, the show produces some of the most popular comedy bits, and features a star-studded guest lineup including actors, musicians, athletes, comedians, authors, politicians and newsmakers. In 2019, Jimmy wrote and illustrated a children’s book titled “The Serious Goose.” All of Jimmy’s profits were donated to children’s hospitals across the United States. Kimmel lives in Los Angeles with his wife Molly McNearney and their children, Oprah and Steadman.  Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Wow. The reason we're celebrating in this strange way is that we just finished the most delightful, hopeful, honest, funny, hilarious conversations with our friends and neighbors and two people who have been, well, in the news lately. And their names are Jimmy Kimmel and Molly McNerney. And you all just, you're going to learn everything in this interview. They talk about the day everything went down with the show cancellation, where they were, how it all felt. Which we were supposed to be recording this conversation exactly at the time where that day and that time where the news broke. And couldn't, for obvious reasons, but that.

that was wild to hear all about that. Yeah, I actually that morning got a text from Molly that said, hey, I think everything's going to be fine for this afternoon, but just so you know, things are a little weird. And then several hours later, I got another text that just said, not fine. Things are not fine. And then all the news came out. So this is just a beautiful conversation with two people who we adore and respect and appreciate so much. And I think it's going to help this conversation. I think the way they're getting through has a lot to teach us about how to get through and how to be brave and how to be steady and how to love our people and love our country and love each other through this time.

So we give you Jimmy and Molly. Hi, guys, hi. There they are. How's it going? Hi, guys. How are you doing? Good. I might cry. Just seeing your faces.

You cry in every podcast. That's what I do. I know, I already don't feel special. Can you cry hardest today, Molly? I will definitely cry the hardest here. Thank you. Cissy. Oh, my God.

This is so exciting. I can't believe that. It's so good to see you guys. We were just talking before about the day that we were supposed to record this podcast and I don't know if you remember Molly because you had a few other things going on that day but I got a text from you like late morning and it was just like things are getting weird but I think it's going to be fine and then I was like okay um then several hours later I got one that just said not fine yeah that's an understatement yeah that's a understanding yeah

That is definitely an understatement. I love that you were in that with us that day. Me too. It's crazy. I remember you in the morning connecting with me first. You're like, hey, I'm so excited for tonight. If there's anything you want to talk about or not talk about, let me know. I'm like, oh, we're great.

We'll talk about anything to talk about. We don't have anything to talk about. Yeah, I'm like, what are we going to talk about? And then we had lots of talk about all of a sudden. Yes, and then we had helicopters over our home. Yeah. Guys, what was that like? Tell us what you can or want to.

I liked it. I enjoyed it. You did. It was insane. Finally, the attention you deserve around you. Yeah. I don't know. I guess it felt like, I think it maybe it felt like OJ during the chase.

That's what it felt like. We were OJ. Yeah, we were OJ. And headed home and helicopters and everybody. And then we were on TV 24 hours a day for like three days in a row. And I had the realization that had I died, there would be nowhere near this much coverage. Oh, my God. It felt like you had died.

Like, we, it was wild. We were at work doing our thing, and then midday, we learn we are no longer doing our thing. Well, when you say it felt like I had died, what Molly, I think, is saying is I'm only alive to her as long as I'm on television. Yes, and then you're dead. Yes. And then I don't even exist. Saturday and Sunday, don't even see you. Yeah, you're dead.

It was a really crazy day. And then we went home. We sat here for a while. We learned the show had been suspended. Moments after we learned, I believe. That's when I texted you going and was like, well, we may have to cancel the podcast tonight. I wanted to do it anyway. You did.

Jimmy wanted to get us all in more trouble. Like, listen, we got business to attend too. And then we just sat here in this office. The name of the podcast is we can do hard things and we backed out on you. Oh, my God. Because we couldn't. We can't do hard things. We can't.

We've tried. It's not for us. If they're even moderately uncomfortable, we won't do them. That's so true. We canceled on we can do hard things. Yeah. Wow. It's too hard.

It was too hard. so then hold on i'm taking us back on track so then we go home which felt very strange because it felt weird to leave because we went to the wrong house and the people who lived there were disturbed stop it and we just sat there in their living room and looked at them and it was weird and eventually they got up and left and we just claimed the home yeah it's our home and we live there now we can do hard things. Yeah. Look at us.

Okay, so back, let's just stay on track for one second. We go home, I know you guys will appreciate this as mothers. Like, we go home and our kids are there and we realize they have no idea what's going on. And we had to do that thing that parents do so well, which is just immediately put on a mask. And we did very well and ask them, how was soccer today? And what's the funniest thing you heard at school today? And we were just trying to make conversation with our children. Meanwhile, our phones are just bz, the whole time in our pockets.

And there's helicopters over our house and madness outside. And Jimmy said, well, we're going to have to tell them because our daughter's in fifth grade and kids talk. And so we sat them down on the couch and we told them. We said, I believe Jimmy started the conversation. And we realized in that moment that any other time we've sat them down to talk about something, I guess it's been good because Jimmy said, we want to talk to you guys about something. And Jane, our 11-year-old, went, oh, my gosh, Julie,

they have to talk to us about something. And she's like, get in here, get in here. And I think the last time we had done that, we surprised them with Disneyland or something. So they seemed like it was going to be good. And it occurred to me, oh, boy, this is not going to be good. And Jimmy let them know. He said, our show has, my show has been suspended.

and our daughter immediately burst into tears and she said I'll sell my loboos and we told her yeah you should no we did not we told her no you don't need to do that you don't need to sell loboos and our son asked if the president

had done this and we looked at each other and we didn't quite know how to answer that question I think I said yes we did we actually both said yes at the exact same time we said yes he did And it's weird, you know, because you don't want your kids to. It's certainly not an experience I had with my parents.

No. In Las Vegas. Having to sell your loboos, you mean? Yeah. I didn't even have any, you know. We had this dirty cabbage patch kid. That was it. I think it was bought used.

That's so weird, though, because your kids are like, the president is targeting our family. Yeah. It's funny, though, because our daughter has this idea. that when I retire, she's going to take over the show. We've never said this to her. We don't know where she got it. She has three other siblings. Two of them are actually adults.

One of them works here. Yeah. More qualified to take over, if it was indeed a family business that you could hand down to your kids. Yeah, it's like, yeah, she was losing her show. Yeah, she felt as if she'd been somehow suspended. Yes. I'd

ruined it. I'd ruined it for her. Yeah. She was very disappointed. And then to calm her down, you know, we said, we're okay, we're going to be fine, you know, it's going to be okay, this does not change your life, doesn't change your friends, doesn't change the memories you make, we're going to be okay, and we really, Jimmy and I think really both believe that night the show was never coming back. And then I were lying. So we were lying. Of course. But it does, yeah. And then I went over to the pantry and ate everything in it. That's all so true. And I said to Jane, I said, and Billy, I said, I want you guys to know that it's really important. you remember this moment and I want you to remember this that your dad and his show are on the right side of history. I want you to remember that. And my daughter very earnestly paused and she said, I thought we were on the left. They're very literal children. Very literal children. And I said,

well, we can be both. We can be on the right side of history and also on the left. And that was a confusing explanation. Yeah, and then the next several days were truly the wildest of our lives, I think. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. It was up there. Yeah, it was up there. It was up and down. It was all over the place. But I think what really got us through were, well, people like you, who constantly reached out with support and love, and then to watch the support of strangers was the most touching, I think. And weed also. A lot of weed. We'd do hard things, yes. We'd do hard things.

I don't do weed, heard things. We do hard things by chewing soft things. You guys, what were the following days like? And was it as heartwarming to see the entire world? That was amazing, the support. I cried, I cried day after day after day. Just reading the stories and the support. Did that sink in?

Must have been the best of times and the worst of times. Yeah, it was nice. It was great. It was also so strange that it was hard to even process, I think. It's just weird. You know, the whole thing is weird. You know, just being on television is weird. And having people you don't know think they know you is weird.

And it's all like something that we've become accustomed to, but it's not normal, and it doesn't make any sense, really. But you understand it because, you know, you feel that same way about, I may have felt that same way about David Letterman when I was a kid. But to, you know what it is? I tend to focus on the negative. For me, I felt like we'd lost the brakes on a 16-wheeler, and we're headed downhill, and I was just trying to, you know,

not drive it off the road. So there were a lot of telephone calls, and there was a lot of, um, it's kind of strategizing and, um, just general nervousness. Yeah. I don't even like being on the phone. That alone was a big negative for me. So, but it was great to get, um, support, but you just didn't know what the next kind of chapter was going to be.

So like, looking back, it was like, okay, well, you know what? That, that worked out, okay. And, um, I feel like it was, the most important thing I think is it was like a win for free speech, you know, and I feel like that had been a long time in coming since we'd had a win of any kind. And I think it reminded people that we can win every once in a while and that it is good to keep fighting. But just personally, it was very confusing. You know, we've got a lot of people that we work with and we wanted to, you know, they have to work. They have jobs and everybody wanted to know what was going on and they had a right to know what was going on. But

there were certain things that we couldn't tell them and it was it worked out great in the end but while it was happening it's you know it's always different when it's happening and when it was happening it was very very stressful very i will say it did feel um overwhelming to see the outpour of love and support and i really think that that's like when jimmy said it felt like a 16 wheeler without the brakes it did feel that way for a long time and then it's suddenly felt like, whoa, we're being lifted on a wave now. And this is kind of out of our control, and I felt good about writing the wave. I felt good about the way it was going to land.

And I think that's all because of the outpouring of love from people. But it was also a very isolating experience. I mean, I did not speak to a single other human outside of Jimmy for four or five days. Even my big brother called me, and then I just burst in tears. I was like, I hadn't talked to another person because I was just scared. I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what was happening, and I didn't want to say the wrong thing. I didn't want to mislead anybody.

I didn't want to scare people. I didn't know what to say. So I was just talking. We were in our little boxhole together, which it was a good place to be, but it was definitely isolating. And it felt weird to literally hear from every single person. person that we knew and have known. I mean, Jimmy was getting texts. I didn't realize how many people you gave your phone number to, by the way.

Like, every person who's ever driven us to the airport and, like, drivers, like, a guy in Nashville, like, people, I'm like, you gave your phone number to, you give your phone number to way too many people. But, like, he was getting texts from, I mean, I had, like, a thousand text messages. He had, like, 10,000. I mean, it was funny when I get a text from somebody, and then I'd have to go, all right, well, let me read these other texts and see. how I know this person.

And, like, honestly, there were probably a dozen drivers that I've had in various cities that would have been. That is so sweet. But it's nice, you know, it was nice. Can I tell you a funny, a little side note about that night? It's a sweet thing that we haven't even talked about. So that night, there was a man sitting in the audience. His name is Moises.

Oh, yeah, Moises, yeah. Yeah. We, it sinks, he didn't get to see the show. Jimmy connects with everybody everywhere he goes and we were in Mexico once and once again he gave his phone number to the waiter at the restaurant at this restaurant, right? He started as the waiter

and then we complimented him to the owner of the hotel and the next time we came back he was the manager Moises. Moises. Yes. And then Moises was looking for some help for getting a work visa in the United States. Right. And he asked... I wrote Moises a letter yeah yes you wrote a letter on his behalf which now wouldn't necessarily help him that's right yeah it would not help him at all actually no now it would probably rule him out

entirely but at the time and fewer people are asking for letters from jimmy right now for the that's the one the silver lining is i don't have to write as many letters definitely not but as i was running between jimmy's office he had just given the news and i was running to the theater to let our audience department know you need to release the audience and then we need to let the guest go. I see a familiar face standing there and it's moises and I was like what hi what's and I had forgotten Jimmy told me he's like oh he's coming he wants to thank us for writing he got into the United States and he was coming to the show that night and then he couldn't he couldn't of course course he couldn't come to our show right but there's just a lot of

moments like that that were a lot of moises moments but a lot of moments where you've given your phone number two way too many people yeah um anyway yeah i just think it's actually so important to note that we didn't know at the time like what was going to happen you were probably planning the potential of needing to sue everybody and i just like want to say that like Even like the representation, like the symbol of what you and Molly and the entire crew of yours is for the world, I can imagine how stressful that must have been wondering, well, what if they don't let my show back on the air? What are the repercussions? And like I just want to say and like hold space because we live in California and that's what we say in California for you and Molly for like carrying the possibility of needing to stand up. speak the truth that needs to be spoken like granted it like worked itself out without needing to go nuclear how how do you guys handle things differently like i just how do your nervous systems i just i need you to understand if there's like eight comments that are mad at me i can't

fucking sleep for a night like how do you have amazing therapists is it weed like how do you've been doing this like what everyone needs to know is also you guys have And this did not just start that day. You all have been a symbol for Maggie to go after. You have been some of the only people who are holding the line for sanity and truth publicly for a long time. So what is that like on a daily basis? And how do you handle it differently? Well, we do handle it very differently.

I'm kind of like, you know, when a police officer has seen a lot of dead bodies and eventually he becomes desensitized to it. So I'm not quite as, you know, I get a lot of negativity thrown my way, and I try not to, unless it's somebody I respect, I don't sweat it, you know, I don't let it get to me. I don't love it, but I just brush it aside and I don't seek it out, certainly. Not being on Twitter has been a big health, because I find that the people on Instagram and YouTube are a much kinder bunch in general. So being off Twitter has been very helpful. But I just take a very practical approach to situations like this.

I'm like, all right, what do we have to do? Who do I have to talk to? What do I have to check in with? And how are we going to handle this? I think Molly's more emotional. Would you say that's fair? Yeah, definitely. I'm more emotional a little, I'm definitely more.

She gets mad or? I get really mad. I get emotional. I get easily rattled. But I will say this experience, I don't want to compare. hair the two it feels weird too it's not they're not the same but similar to our son having an open heart surgery when he was three days old it was like we're in it together which just brought an immediate calm for me um that we had each other and we were going to get through it together

differently but together and um it there's a like something about that just made me feel really calm like having being in the trenches with you that was much worse What? That one. Of course. No, of course. Of course. I don't mean to be comparing the two, you know, tragic events, but they each had the same comfort for me in partnership.

And that helped get me through. But I'm definitely more emotional. I get my feelings hurt much easier. I get angry. But I've gotten thicker, thicker skin each time, which almost makes me sad. you know like I don't want to be desensitized by these things but you kind of have to to survive yes Amanda can you tell them what you were telling me about all the comedians and all the countries that's smart stuff you were saying before I'm just so interested in how power consolidators who want to

go after free speech always start with the comedians you know in in 1939 the Nazis kicked out the five most just expelled them the five most popular comedians at the time in you know Putin incarcerated the most popular comedians and gave the network over to a pro-putin oligarch Hoover's FBI exiled forced Charlie Chaplin in exile and it's just like kind of a go-to move and so I've just been so curious what your take is on what is so powerful about comedy that power comes to it first and for it first well i think nobody likes to be laughed at and i think that being laughed at it's it's the hardest thing for people like donald trump to deal with because it shows that you it's you know you're you're not taking them seriously you're um you're pushing their buttons

and you're not scared of them, even if you are scared of them a little bit. But I think that it's also, I think, a big mistake. I think it's for a dictator, not that I want to give them any tips, people really, if there's one thing we understand on both sides, if you want to put it that way in this country, it's that, I mean, I think Donald Trump got elected in large part because people, felt that comedians were being pressured and censored, and it was kind of like, hey, I think this is funny, and you're making me feel like a jerk, and you're saying that this comedian that I like can't say this, that makes me laugh. And it really hits home with people in a very, in a deeply

personal way. And I think in a historical way as well, you know, we have, we all grew up hearing these stories about Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor and George Carlin and Howard Stern more recently where the government got involved in their comedy and just nobody likes that. It doesn't matter which side you're on. Nobody likes that. And I'd always wondered because I anticipated that this day would come. And I always wondered and hoped that my colleagues on the right would defend the principle if not you know it you know some people like me some people don't whatever but i think that being a comedian there's a bond there for sure um and it may even be a stronger bond than being an american in a lot of ways because it you do understand each other you know how hard it is to

walk out on a stage by yourself and make people laugh and and no matter what you're doing it's hard, you know, even if you're doing the cheapest possible way, it's not easy. And if it was, we'd see a lot more comedians than there are. So I was heartened to get support from people that I don't usually get support from. And I always felt that if the situation was reversed, I would feel the same way. And I think a lot of false comparisons have been made to other situations, other comedians, high-profile comedians who've, you know, been canceled if you want to that word, whether it's a literal or figurative word, but it's not the same thing. It's in no way the same thing as the head of the FCC threatening the broadcasters who put

your show on the air, threaten them and suggest that they might pull their licenses in a very overt way, in the stupidest possible way, on television, on camera for all to see. it's just it's remarkable that this person even still has his job it's just crazy to me when you have ted cruz on your side you know they've screwed up did any part of you did any part of you and i understand you have the whole crew and it's beyond yourselves and your sense of responsibility but when they came back and wanted you to put wanted you to come back did any part of you want to tell them to pound sand Like a little part of you? Absolutely.

I mean, listen, if I'd not been allowed back on the air, I'd be a martyr, you know, it's not a terrible position to be in as a comedian, you know. It's not the position that I wanted to be in. And it's also not the way I wanted the show. You know, I've been doing this show for almost 23 years. It'll be 23 years in January. and you know I want to I want to end the show on my terms I want to end it in a graceful way I want I want to I want to I want to I want to have a farewell party with our staff I want to you know do all those things that you know I want to say the things that I want to say to people and to just have it happen abruptly and unjustly would have been awful you know it just it's just it's just not how he wanted to go yeah yeah that was an interesting like wave i think we both felt was

mourning like right after because we felt like we weren't coming back and we didn't have a shot to write our ending the way we wanted to yeah and to say goodbye really you know yeah and we left her we didn't know if we were going to see people again it was a very strange feeling and the audience too not just our staff but also like the people who watch the show you know you don't it's just like one day you're on and the next day you're not and uh That's not what I imagined or wanted. So I was hoping that we would come back. And I think that, I think that was probably the intention the whole time.

You know, I mean, we weren't fired. We were, you know, we were suspended. And I think suspended means come back, but it just didn't feel like that to me at the time. But I will say also I really love getting under his skin. No. I know you agree in that, taking a little bit of pleasure in it. When we see that it's bothering him, it brings us a little bit of joy because it feels like we're one of the only ones who are getting in there. And he hates it so much that he has to respond.

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Not me, but mom. No, not you. And I just wonder, like, what is Thanksgiving? It's one thing to come from a conservative family and just sort of, you know, deprogram yourself and go along your life. life but what is it like to come from a conservative family and then become like the mocking jay of the other side well it's definitely been challenging um thankfully my immediate family all um they did not vote for donald trump okay they did the first time um a few of them we

flipped them the second time um it's it's weird i i when when don't trump was first elected i was so upset we all were but I remember thinking I understand it because I grew up in a very conservative Republican house I mean I bought my dad a Rush Limbaatai in high school I um I voted Republican straight ticket and that's what I was told to do and then I left um St. Louis Missouri and I met people from different backgrounds and I started to understand different things and different needs and different people and there's so there's like a little bit of sympathy I have for people in my family that I feel are kind of being deliberately misinformed every day and they've not kind of yeah they're deliberately being

misinformed every day and they believe it but it hurts me so much because of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man and to me them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me in our family. And I unfortunately have kind of lost relationships with people in my family because of it. It's like, this is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore. It is, to me, it's family values. And it's, it's really hard for me because I grew up believing in these Christian ideals of taking care of the sick and taking care of the poor. And I don't see that happening with this Republican Party. And so it's, I feel like I'm kind of in constant conflict. And I'm,

angry all the time which isn't healthy at all but I like personalize everything now when I see these terrible stories every day I'm immediately mad at certain aunts uncle's cousins who put him in power and it's really hard and my it's I wish I could like deprogram myself in some way but I I get really angry and I sent I've sent many emails to family like right for the election saying I'm begging you here's the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy please don't And I either got ignored by 90% of them or got truly insane responses from a few. It's definitely caused a strain. I've definitely pulled in closer with the family that I feel more aligned with.

And I hate that this has happened, you know. It feels silly. You know, part of me goes, don't let politics get in the way. But to me, this isn't politics. It's truly values. And we just, we're not aligned anymore. That's so honest. And I feel like no one has ever said, at least to me directly, the thing that, because that happens to me, too,

when some, when a headline comes about a certain thing, I get mad at personal people too. Really? Yes. Like if there's an anti-queer thing that comes out, I, it's like our brains have to focus on people because it's otherwise, it's just this big boogeyman thing. And so my mind will go to like the four people I know who don't support, I get that. Yeah, I do it. I visualize seven people that I grew up with loving like sisters and I, and I'm immediately

mad at them and it makes me sad i have a different way of looking at i know here he's guys just so you know this is the he's going to steady this he's going to like make me feel kind of bad about it he's going to be right just so we know he's going to be right but i'm not going to want to hear it but go ahead i just think they're being fed a constant stream of lies and i think that we live in a country where we were programmed to believe the um middle-aged white guy on television telling us the news and fortunately for us for most of our lives we had good people in those positions you know you're walter cronkide and dan rather and ted couple and peter jennings and tom brokaw who you could genuinely trust and who seem to be educated and honest people and now they're kind of there's this

cosplay version of it that we see now on on fox news and all these other wannabe fox news channels that are telling lies for profit they they know what pushes people's buttons it used to be a m talk radio and now it's television and it looks like the news and they call it the news and it's not the news it's not fair it's not balanced and these people are ingesting it and when you ingest enough of it, you start to believe it and you, you know, maybe they, they touch upon some of your biases and they push certain buttons in you, things that you believe to be true. And before you know it, you believe everything that you're hearing. And I don't know that, you know, I just feel like if those outlets didn't exist, we wouldn't have this. I think people would

evaluate things based on facts, but it's just, um, they have cousin Molly's Instagram. And I give them facts every day and they just seem to be ignoring them. And that's what bothers me. Okay? So they can watch Fox News all day, but the hard part from me, it's a strange position to be in is like you personally know two humans in your life you're related to. Our jobs here, we don't tell lies.

We tell jokes. But we are literally scouring the news every day, presenting people the facts followed by jokes. and if you can't why are you to me I go why are you trusting that guy over me this is cousin Molly here guys like I wouldn't lie to you he's not a good person the same thing that we think is like oh she's in Hollywood she's hearing all this stuff

she means well but she's not you know she's not right she's wrong and she's she's you know she's one of these Hollywood liberals yeah for sure I had an aunt like send when I moved to L.A. who gave me a Bible and on the inside said don't stay in L.A. long. That's where the devil lives. So that's what I'm dealing with.

There it is. She's not wrong. And now I'm sitting on a couch with them. Do you guys, when you have conversations about this, because I'm sure it's endless, what do you, what is, where's the hope? Do you see any, how does this end? Where does this go? What's the hope here? I think that these ideas, this, you know, listen, this is all a con the whole thing is a con i mean you turn on tv and you see the president selling

watches he's selling cheap watches that don't seem to actually be made in the u.s.a and you have to at some point when that watch arrives and it's a piece of junk and when he tells you he's going to lower all the prices and only he can solve this problem and that problem and how much better your life is going to be. I think that at a certain point, you look around. I think, I know, I feel like it's, it's, it's, it's, it has arrived because his approval ratings are very historically low, no matter what he said, people are starting to realize like, oh, I think I might have been conned here. I think like these things that I was told aren't, are going to, we're going to happen, aren't happening, you know. I mean, we just saw it with, you know, I mean, I think we just saw it

with the soybean farmers. It's like suddenly China's not buying any soybeans from there. Like, hey, what the heck? We voted for you. And now we're not selling any soybeans. And he's like, don't worry, I'm going to go. I'm going to fix this. And it makes a deal.

And they're now back to selling the same amount of soybeans, which wasn't enough to start with. And I think that people are, you know, as confused as they may be, as bamboozled as they may be, ultimately they have to go to the supermarket and buy eggs. and I think that the lies only go so far. I don't hear a lot of hope there. Well, sadly, the hope is that, you know, it's like a drug addict. We're going to have to hit rock bottom.

I felt like we already did. I feel like every time we hit rock bottom is like, oh, there's more bottom. Oh, wow, there's another floor. Yeah, like, and then they're like, oh, now there's an escalator down. Oh, now we're on an elevator down. But there's got to be a bottom eventually, right? Yeah, I guess. I feel like we keep hitting it.

But I will say this experience of this show being suspended and then put back on gave me extreme hope for the first time in a long time. Same. And it really felt good. And I feel like I felt united with people. And I felt like, okay, we're getting back to the basic rights that we let's start here and then let's keep cracking. I love the protests. You know what I like most of all? I like the just sporadic protests.

Like we're just driving home on Sunday and there are 40 people with signs standing on the street corner. It's like, oh, this isn't even the No Kings March. These people were just mad and decided to go out on the street today in L.A. where almost everyone agrees with them in the first place.

I just think that like that kind of action is really indicative that people are ready to, you know, we anesthetize ourselves with all the things that we have to look at. And, you know, sometimes, like, you feel like hitting the like button is that's your, that's your political activity for the day. But when people go, like, hey, I'm going to make a sign and go out in front of my, at my front of my supermarket and March, that's a big deal.

That's, I mean, that's a big deal. Did you see, the pictures from No Kings were amazing. And of course, there wasn't as much coverage as there should have been just millions and millions and millions of people everywhere. But the one that made me so emotional, did you guys see the one woman, I think in South Carolina, in this very small town? She did, she was by herself. Yes. She did her own No King's protest, had an anti-fascism poster, and she was like heckled all day, and she just stood there by herself with her little sign.

It makes me emotional every time I think about it. I love that. It was a very powerful image. I didn't see that, but I love that idea. So beautiful. People like that give us hope, right? I love meeting a really old person who's very mad. I love that.

I like meeting a young person who's really mad. Yeah, that's good, too. That's all that's really good. Those things are real good. The middle-aged mad, I'm like, oh. Get rid of them. God, old mad people and young mad people. You're right.

That's so inspiring. Both of those. I think it's going to take, I think why it was so hopeful is exactly what you said, Jimmy. like the people over here who will disagree with you 99 times out of 10 and the people over here who love you were both like this is fucked up like there's I feel like there's whatever you know that that comedy thread of we have principles that go deeper than opinions and we have values that go deeper than opinions it's like if we could reestablish that for a merit values for family values for like though this is deeper than opinions this is like where is the thing

that's that that we can hold on to and that's why it was so hopeful because it was like you know maybe i don't like that guy but i will stand up and say that this is horseshit and he should be allowed to say what he wants you know i i it's it's that piece that we're missing yeah yeah and it's we touch the third rail finally yes that's what's frustrating for me, too, because when I think about my family members who voted for Trump, I know for a fact that we agree on 80% of the issues. I know that. I know that they think women should have reproductive freedom. And I know that they think that we shouldn't have access to AR-15s. I know they agree with me, but then they don't vote in the same way because

they've been told that we are voting for this party is something that it's not. And we've been perhaps told voting for that party is something that it's not. But I feel like we're not, actually, like, our vote is not matching what we really want for this country. I really believe, I firmly believe that. Like, you look at 80% of the country wants the same stuff when it comes to universal health care, gun safety, and reproductive freedom. But yet we're electing people who aren't representing our voice. Well, yeah, it's because we're, because these corporations have, there's no limit to how

much money they can pump into a candidate. And you see all these guys, all these cowards, these, he's, he's, CEOs, these famous people who were all over Biden, and then as soon as Biden wasn't president anymore, they're all over Trump, and they'll be back to the other side when the other side is in charge. And it's just, it's all, it's a ruse to, um, to make as much money as they possibly can. And, um, eventually I think that's going to come back to bite them in the ass also. I, I just don't think people are thinking in the long-term. and that the greater good is

more important than individual good for the individual. Yeah, agreed. We even just, we look at, you know, what we do to the climate is like, you know, it's like, hey, I can make some I can make a little bit more money if I burn as much fossil

fuel as I possibly can. It's like, oh, that's great. It's going to be really hot and it's, you're not going to have water. Like, you know. Trick or treating in a bikini. Your grandchildren are going to be living in a hellscape because you made a little bit more money this year and I just don't I think that we're going to there we're as a society going to look back at this time and we're going to be really angry at the

people that made those decisions all of us not just not just the left all of us are going to look back and go what the hell did these people do to us yeah things were going pretty good on this planet and now look at where we are yeah It's really, it's, you know, it's hard not to feel defeated. It really is. Mm-hmm. And now it's time to thank the companies who allow you to listen to We Can Do Hard Things for free. You know that moment when you look in the mirror and think,

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Tell them what you're going to call your ranch. The homestead I love it Obviously we don't know how to like Do animals or flowers or whatever people do Learn But The point is

For flowers Crops Vegetals Yeah A lot of heavy duty ranchers out there with their flowers They're peonies My point is Do you

What are you What's your fantasy For getting the fuck out of the situation you're in now. I'm not for getting the fuck out. I'm for fighting. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't, I don't, I don't, I just don't think that way. Like, I put up a flag on the 4th of July at my house, you know. He also wears crocs that have American flags and a tank top of an American flag. I don't, I'm not giving that up. That's not theirs. This is all of ours. Yeah. He is not a runner at all.

Yeah, it was funny. I got Italian citizenship, and of course, the narrative and the news was that I was fleeing the country. And, you know, of course, everybody had a thought and opinion on that. And none of it was true. My mom got Italian citizenship. And then as a result, her children and grandchildren got Italian citizenship. And, but, you know, the narrative is the narrative. It's like, oh, these liberals freeing the, fleeing the country, whatever, I will never flee the country. That's, you know, that's the very last thing that I will do. I'm not I'm not interested in in giving up yeah I mean I do have a fantasy of not ingesting such toxic yeah information all day every day you guys know how hard it is to run a farm and a ranch though I mean it seems like it seems like a vacation and anyone who actually has a ranch or a farm would be like are you fucking kidding me yeah I watched Yellowstone and then I changed my mind

it's sort of violent people are very good looking though they were to visit yeah they have to know how to fix barbed wire i know i did notice that thanks no thanks it wasn't a perfect plan jimmy i prefer a lake yeah that's what i'm a ranch of water i think that's nice start at a lake house i love that jimmy because I think that is like you can get it's so depressing and then when I think about how depressing the vast majority of American history has been it's uplifting because it's like look this has always been a shit show it just depends where you were sitting and if the people in you know the people on the trail of tears guess what they're still here

they are still here they are still fighting they are still doing their part the people who are at the lunch counters and who fought in the union army for their rights and then were disenfranchised right after that sucked and they're still here and they're still fighting they're just Americans and it just feels like it's our turn this is our turn this is what we do that no show up and you do your part I'm too weak and you know what I just I'm mad I get mad because I go it this is why because this is optional all of this is like optional and it doesn't have to be like this that's what i that's what i that's what really bothered me yeah and every time like inflicting harm on ourselves like we don't have enough problems right that we need to solve without real like let's

let's solve pediatric cancer let's figure out the climate we're fighting over whether women can have rights like what are we doing like that should be a given like remember when we're mad about those lime scooters oh my gosh funny to think about some of the things that we thought like oh people taking selfies was like oh these goddamn selfies yeah like 10 years ago our problems were I guess it's important to remember that and to appreciate how silly are you know we can get worked up about anything I guess yeah but now we have to get worked up about things that are real things but also they don't have to be there like every time I go to a fundraiser and we all we do a lot of fundraising and and donating to

candidates and causes I go of course I'm going to give this but I'd rather be giving it to children's hospital right now, which, like, why, and I'm giving money so I can make sure this woman who should definitely be elected gets elected? Like, what are we, duh, of course this woman should win. Why are we voting for this clown? And I get resentful of the amount of energy. We all have to push forward so we don't keep falling back.

I'm like, can we just keep going this way? And we just keep getting yanked back and yanked back. And I get really resentful of people in my life that I feel like, put us there. And that's where I need to work on my anger. Molly, I hope you don't work on it too much because I just feel like as much as Jimmy's steadiness is comforting and helpful, your Molly Mad. Mad Molly is equally comforting. Okay, good. Well, I'm here for you. Anytime you need Mad Molly, you just get me a call. You got Mad Molly and Jimmy the sarcastic asshole.

Exactly. And you guys, thanks for, I don't know why we were talking about this. Why did you, when you guys, we're neighbors and when you moved here, you DMed us. Right. You. First of all, hold on, one sec. Let's just go back. Before the DM happened, I had a full freak out seeing both of you guys outside.

Yeah. Like. Oh, yes. It was, this was quite an amazing. Really embarrassing. Now, I want to remind you that I've worked at this show for 23 years and we have, I've, I think, met every. possible celebrity and political figure. Unphased.

I am on a walk. I see you too. And I just became undone. I didn't know what to do. I went, oh, hi. Glenn and Abby, hi, hi. And then I did a thing that I never do, which I identified myself as Jimmy's wife,

which was so gross. I prefer it. I said, hi, I'm Molly. And you're like, who the hell is Molly? And I'm Jimmy Kimmel's wife. And I wanted to die. And then I said, and then, then I said, I can see your house from my house.

And then I was like, oh, stop talking. And then I came running home to you. And I said, oh my God, I just saw. I made an idiot out of myself. Glenn and Abby, I made an idiot. I made an idiot. I said, you have to fix this. You have to them on Twitter or whatever it was.

I was like, you have to fix this. And so he reached out to you. I made him reach out to you guys. I'm like, I've ruined it. I said I could see their house. I was like, I was a disaster. How scary is that? Yeah.

I can see right in your window. Yeah, totally. How was that bagel this morning? Yeah, and he DMed you. I never believed that Jimmy DMed us out of like just wanting to get to know us. I just didn't believe that. No, steady Jimmy was like, I'll fix this. I'll fix this.

And so he DMed you guys and you were so nice. So now take it from there. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I needed to give you the backstory in the DM. No, I'm so glad. Okay, so that makes sense. So then Jimmy DMed us, and he said, and I think, I hope I'm getting this right, but he said, You are. Right?

It's Jimmy Kimmel. We could look it up for sure. For sure we could. It's Jimmy Kimmel. We're your new neighbors. So we can find you. Can you hang a purple sheet outside of your door? Which was fucking weird, but I.

Yeah. We had just moved to L.A., everything was weird. Okay, I had people sending me their dietary restrictions coming to my house. I wasn't even going to feed them. I had people, like, just things were happening that were weird. So I just thought... This is why the crowd back in St. Louis won't vote for... Exactly, right, right, right. Totally. Dietary restrictions. Totally. The devil lives there, so you have to put out a purple sheet. Right. Yeah. It's devil. That'll keep them aware. Yes, Jimmy, you need to explain yourself. I was just joking. I don't remember exactly what I said, but I know I was joking.

And also, our view of your house is not of your front doors from the back of your house. So when you then did indeed hang out, which I didn't know until you told me, we didn't even see it, and it must have made it even more confusing. How weird for them. I will also add, while we're embarrassing Molly, that. Oh, no. I have suggested that we invite you over for dinner. about 40 times

and each time she's not ready for it. And then finally on the 4th of July I think we I caught her at a weak moment Yeah, it's for America. Yeah, but yeah there were

it was like each time it was like like the house wasn't clean enough or there was some reason why it couldn't happen, yeah. He's right. I don't know, I never want to, you know what it is I never want to put people out. I know how busy you guys are

and I can only imagine the amount of invitations and stuff you get. And I also hear Glennon, you talk a lot sometimes about you don't like to do stuff. And I was like, I don't ever want to make them feel like they have to do something to be our friends. So I try to keep the asks at a minimum. Yeah, it's not really an ask. It's an invitation. That's different. That's not an ask. Like an ask is like, hey, I have this thing.

A buddy of mine he wants it signed. Like that's an ask, which by the way will never do. Molly, I understand so much. But like, come over for dinner is different. No, I get it. I feel so stressed. invite people over. I always feel like I should treat people how I want to be treated, so I should just never talk to them. I should just, the more I like them, the more I like them, the way I should

definitely not ever contact that. It sounds like just Abby and I should have dinner. Probably. You two can cook too, so you guys can have a nice meal. Well, we did go to your house on the Fourth of July. And it was just, you guys surround yourself with so many wonderful, beautiful people. Like, you have a real, I mean, if you guys, I'm trying to explain this to the pod squad. There were like 75 people there, all who knew Jimmy and Molly for decades. They were all like family or friends forever. Jimmy was like cooking seven trillion chickens by himself, like just doing it and there was food everywhere and kids everywhere and love everywhere. There was a famous chef also that came and was cutting up meat and I was like,

must be kind of intense and intimidating cooking for one of the most famous chefs in the world. Jimmy just does it and he's fine and it was delicious. Yeah, you were so all. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. You have no idea. That's the only thing he heard this entire podcast. I'm not kidding. Delicious.

He will go home and he'll be like, did you hear Abby say? I'm very critical of my cooking. Those chickens came out pretty good, yeah. Yeah, they sure is hell dead. I had every single piece of meat you cooked. I made ribs as well, I think. That makes me so happy. Every single thing.

Jimmy is an incredible host. He really is. Fourth of July is my favorite holiday, too. So I like to really go big on the Fourth of July. Yeah, and including the attire. Yeah, the attire is great. He loves a tank top. He doesn't love a tank top.

I don't love tank tops. I just like wearing them because they drive Ukraine. Yeah. American flag TikTok. So hot. That's what she thought she was getting with this deal. Yeah. I have another thing that I'm obsessed with y'all on is the pranks. And I'm just wondering, my personal obsession was the one where you had the guy that worked with you and you were, you were, you got his ring camera so you knew what he's wearing every day. And then you got the other guy to. Okay, can you either tell that story or tell us what your most recent prank is because this is a new thing I want to bring into my life

to have more fun? I have a continuation of that prank which now unfortunately is a guy named Danny we work with and he knows about the prank but it turns out that like I've taken a page from Donald Trump like this prank where what we've done is there's a guy named Danny and a guy named Josh

and Danny told Josh that he needs to dress better for work. So what I did is I got an exhaustive list of all of Danny's clothes, photographed all of it, and then ordered duplicates of everything. And then Josh would come into work. He'd checked Danny's ring camera, and he'd come into work dressed just like Danny. And it started, Daniel's like, what? What's going? He knew something was wrong. Almost immediately. He knew something was wrong, but we just kept doing it and acting like it was not. Nothing. It was making him crazy.

It was making him absolutely crazy. So what's happening now, just so you know, we're taping this the night before Halloween, right? Yes. Okay. So on Halloween tomorrow, we have colluded to find out what Danny's Halloween costume is. Josh has purchased the same Halloween costume and went over to his house to take a picture with Danny's children. No. So Josh is then going to post him.

that on Instagram and let Danny find it. Oh, that's wonderful. And Dave is going to lose his mind. This is what Jimmy does with his very, very, very, very little free time. You have to make time for things like this. You really do. This is how we make it through. Somehow this is how we make it through.

This kind of absurdity. I think you're right. I love it. It makes me so happy. It really does. No matter what's going on, no matter how bad it is. It just when there's something like this happening, When somebody's mad, I'm happy.

Jimmy got a personalized, okay, I wanted to get the black license plate, you know, in Los Angeles. I had a black car. It just looks better than the white man than I didn't know you could. The old California style. Yeah. And I really want it. And I just don't have the, I don't know how. I was like, Jimmy, he's like, I'll take care of that for you.

I'm like, great. Thank you so much. I'll order you a plate. Great. And then several months later. Oh, my God. Where is this plate? It's not coming.

It's not coming. It took a long time. It took a long time. And months later, I walk out to my car one night and his shoulders are just like doing this gentle wiggle. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, what's going on? And I look, and my license plate is now a personalized plate screwed on that says we be jamming. It was so mad, but also so proud of him at the same time. And also just like the headache of how do I get rid of this? I don't know any idea how to get rid of this. And I said,

this is for real. He's like, yeah, it's for real. It's real. Like, this is my license plate. This is my this is my official license plate. You'll never forget it. Drop the kids up at school with a Weeby Jammin license plate. She's so mad. It has a history because every once in a while I would get on Molly's phone and comment on all her friends posts. I'd write hashtag Weeby Jammin.

It's out of nowhere. And then they started to learn. People would have posts about like, I lost my grandmother 10 years ago today. And he'd be like hashtag we be jamming. That's not true. You did. You made that up. Yeah, no, I didn't.

Well, if I did do it, it was an accident. I was cutting and pasting. Yeah, now people knew, they're like, anytime you see Weeby Jammin, you know Jimmy has gotten on my phone. Yeah, I like... Or on my car. We don't even know where that came from. I do.

It came from the song. Wee be jamming. Yeah. I hope you like jamming. Yeah. Jammett. I hope you like jamming. Wee be jamment is from, you know, that, uh, yeah.

I know the song. We be jammed. She's like, I'm not it. Got it. Yep, got it. Forever. You guys, we love you so much. We want you now to go back to your kids, to your life.

Thank you so much for. See, that's her way of saying, don't call us. No. We love you. We love you. Can you please invite us? No, I want you to invite us over. Can you please invite us over for dinner?

We will. We will. When you see us go the other way, you've now bullied us into, dinner. By the way, the last time we invited you over, the only time, which was Fourth of July, Glennon made cookies, brought them, and then brought them home. Is that correct? Yes, but there's a story behind that. You guys, I'm so nervous. We went over this. No, because I was so embarrassed of them. I hid them. I brought them to their house because I felt like you are a grown-up, Glennon,

and grown-ups bring things to other grown-ups houses. So I said to my daughter, can you please Please help me. I've never baked cookies before. Can you tell them. They're going to be great on the farm. Can you help me? And then she abandoned me that day. So I had to try to make them myself.

And they were disgusting and black on the bottom and so burnt. But I still brought them. And then I hid them. Well, because. I hid them. Because. Why? Like when you walk in, there's just like food.

It was so beautiful. And it's gorgeous. And it's all beautifully, like, curated. and looking and it looks edible. It was a kid's plate with like aluminum foil. Whatever it happened to a bottle of wine, that's what adults do. We brought that to,

we brought wine also. She just wanted to do something with like a personal touch. Well, you got it. Molly and Jenny. It was a personal touch. It was better than when my first neighborhood potluck when they sent out a fucking thing where you're supposed to sign up for something

and it said some people should bring a dessert and some people should bring a dish. and so I just brought a dish. No. Wow. That's very literal. You know what? Give people some more information.

If you want to dish with stuff on it, say that. Who did you hand it to? The person he was having it and it just... What was the reaction? It wasn't great, Jimmy. I'll tell you what, it was better than her other thing once she learned to make. cucumber rolls

Asparagus rolls Asparagus rolls But then She brought asparagus rolls Do every Single thing For five years We had to do a family intervention

And be like No more Spargettools That's funny It's a good title for a book No more asparagus When we were leaving Your Guys's July 4th party

She looks at me And she goes I got to take these I can't leave these here I can't leave these here for somebody to eat and be like oh what are those and so I took a video because I was like this is ridiculous

and I took a video of Glennon taking them with her I think your mom was there Jimmy and she was like what are you doing and I was like I just trust you I'm just gonna tell you oh that's great my mother's a cookie lunatic

she is an incredible baker so that's even funnier that she watched Anyway, she took her cookies up. She's like, if they wanted me to leave the cookies, they should have been more generous. I say play to your strengths. Don't bake if you can't. You know, just bring your personality.

Asparagus rolls. Yeah, we do. She would roll out that white bread, got off the grass, put some asparagus in there, roll those bad boys up. I took a cast on my lap. Okay. I did. I took a night class to learn that. No, that's not true. That can't be true. Amanda, your mom and I, my mom took a class to learn how to make

something to bring to a party and we learned asparagus rolls. That's why I did that for 10 years. Oh, that's great. They should have got your money's worth out of that class. Anyway, I don't think so. Love to you both. We will see you next time. I promise not to bring anything. Thank you. Don't. Thank you for getting us through. Your family is so beautiful. so brave and we're grateful for you every day. Well, thank you guys for being, for your beautiful words and your kindness. We are, we're delighted to be your neighbors. Yes, put that purple sheet up. We love you. All right. Bye Pod Squad. We Can Do Hard Things is an independent production podcast brought to you by Treat Media. Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay

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