We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - Pre-Red Card Debacle: Abby & Julie Foudy Soccersplain the World Cup

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

Pod Squad:  Please note, this episode was recorded before the trump red card scandal. We were younger, then - and filled with hope.  Today, it’s a Welcome to the Party and We Can Do Hard Things World Cup crossover!  If anyone can help the Pod Squad understand why the World Cup has completely taken over the world, it's these two legends. Abby and Julie Foudy—World Cup champions, teammates, and two of the greatest soccer minds in the game—break down everything you need to know, from red cards and flopping to knockout rounds, unforgettable stories, and why this tournament has the power to bring people together. Whether you're a lifelong fan or just World Cup-curious, this is your starter pack for the beautiful game. - Why the World Cup is the biggest sporting event on Earth—and why it means so much to so many people - The soccer rules everyone pretends to understand (offside, cards, flopping, and more) - How the US men's success directly benefits the US women's national team - Plus: Abby and Julie put Glennon and Amanda to the test with "Is It Queer or Is It FIFA?"  Follow Welcome to the Party at: YouTube: youtube.com/@WelcomeToThePartyShow Substack:welcometothepartyshow.substack.com Merch:welcometotheparty.voila.store Instagram:@welcometothepartyshow Follow We Can Do Hard Things on:  Instagram —⁠https://www.instagram.com/wecandohardthings⁠

Hello Pod Squad. Hi. No, I thought you were saying hi party people. Oh yeah. Sorry. I got a lot going on. We got to keep that part in. That's nice.

Starting over. I was just going straight into We Can Do Hard Things mode, just like, Hi. How are you? I'm good. Okay. Three, two, one. Well, hello, pod squad.

Party people. You're welcome the party people? Yes, party people and Pod Squad. Glennon, what are we doing here? Why are you in that jersey? Okay, so Pod Squad, here's what's happening. You may have noticed something going on in the world lately as of like the last two weeks, which is that everyone on earth is talking about the soccer.

The soccer, yep. Okay, and the reason everyone's talking about the soccer is that there's something going on right now that is called the World Cup. The Men's World Cup. The Men's World Cup. which is important to explain. Okay. Our house,

well, our house is a very, very, very fine house. Is it? And it's been invaded. It's been taken over. It's every day, every morning tonight. The soccer, it is talking about the soccer. It is talking about the soccer while we eat. We breathe the soccer.

We are living the soccer. And we thought, what if the other night I thought, But what is so cool is that my wife and her dear, dear friend and business partner are the experts of the soccer. And they, we could come together on We Can Do Hard Things and Welcome to the Party. And the most incredible icons and experts of the soccer could tell us what in the ever loving hell is going on. And that's what we're here to do today, because we can do hard things, even embrace and understand the soccer.

We can do World Cup things. Our Cup runneth over. We can do World Cup things. And so for the Pod Squad, who is listening, we are going to go through a whole episode of what the heck all of the men's World Cup is. Julie and I are going to take Glennon and Amanda through the fun little intricacies. We also have a little fun game at the end to play with the two of you. So, Jules, do you want to take it away?

It is time for the partiest part of our party, party people. Welcome to, as Abby just said, the We Can Do World Cup Things Party. Let's go. Abby. Welcome to the World Cup things party. We can do World Cup things. Party people and Pod Squad. Welcome.

Crossover. Here we are. This is already more stimulation than I felt for months and months. I'm so excited in trying to stay calm. This is what fun looks like doing a show. I feel it. It's tingling inside. I feel it.

Well, and we really wanted to do this crossover because as you were talking about Glennon, And like everyone is talking about World Cup. And even if it's on, maybe not on your home TV, you're seeing it on screens wherever you go out to eat. And so we thought, well, maybe we should do like a starter pack for people who are curious or maybe they're overwhelmed. World Cup curious. World Cup curious.

Or maybe they're overwhelmed. Or maybe they're just pretending to know what the hell is happening. So. Yes. I feel like there's. something, it's like, I don't know anything about the players or the teams or the anything, but I can sense that something is a stir. It's like there's something more fun in the air and I've been seeing all these like memes and

videos where it's like, dear government, we've been having so much fun and we are sad it's going to be over, can the world come for us sleep over next summer too? And this idea that it's like realizing that it's we're all the cousins and it isn't that the other countries are bad. It's that our parents are always crazy and that's why we've never met our cousins. Yeah. It's like that was a tweet. Somebody said that the World Cup is just the U.S. having a giant sleepover with the cousins we never see because our parents hate each other. That's the quote that you're referencing.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm seeing that kind of stuff. And I'm like, I can sense that. I don't know what's happening on the field, but that vibe, I can sense. Yeah. Yeah.

And honestly, and I know you all are the same, like, I finally feel hopeful about this country for the first time in a very long time. And I'm like, I actually can put on a USA jersey and a USA hat and feel good about it. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I haven't felt that way in a very long time. So I'm super grateful for that. Yes. I kind of want a row like the Norwegians. Have you been seeing those? Yes. We did it. We went to a game and we tried it. And then of course it doesn't make sense if no one else is doing it.

Well, no. Okay, we didn't try it, honey. The American outlaws, they do a different thing. You just heard them making the similar noise. And then Chase and I did some row. Well, you know, Jules, at the Turkey A USA game, because the USA fans do it this way. Yeah. Yeah. And when they were doing that, Glennon and Chase were like, rowing. Because we were trying to start something. Do you know who I think we stole this from? Because we stole all cheers from someone else. Iceland. Yes. That was the Iceland cheer, which was a good one too.

Am I supposed to stop you and I don't understand things like who the American outlaws are? Yes. Yeah. For sure. Good question. Who are the American Outlaws? It's like the USA's fan supporters, the supporting group. Okay.

You know, like some teams have like supporter groups and then they name themselves some things. American Outlaws is one of them for U.S. men's national team and women's national team. And they're huge and they gather. It's very communal. They gather before the games, typically a bar and then they march into games and they come up with chance. And even though we aren't as a country great at chance, we are getting the vibe off of all these other people. And so yeah. And like every country has that group. I feel like for me, it feels not just hopeful for our country, but it feels hopeful. There's something about the visuals of it, of seeing these crowds for every country. The Netherlands? All of the orange. Yeah, all of them.

It's like I'm seeing the images and I'm thinking, okay, fascist propaganda is basically at the very bottom of it. It's just be scared of everybody, everyone's different than you. And they can't, like, nobody can erase the visuals we're seeing of crowds, of beautiful people in all their different jerseys with all the love and hope on their faces with their babies and the little earphones on their ears and the cheering and the crying. And you can't, even if you're not translating into words, you can't undo that reverse propaganda in your mind. You can't forget when you see all these different countries we've been told to fear looking just the same all the love and hope and family and togetherness. It can't be raised. I know. I know. It is such a good image and such a needed one at the

most important time. Honestly, I'm going to like go into morning when this all ends and be like, like you said, can we do this again? Can we have more sleepovers? We can. Next summer. It's called the Women's World Cup. I know. It's good. Yeah. Yes. Exactly. I don't want to wait a whole year. Maybe we should do these more often. Okay. I should note, too, before we get too far down the road, that we are recording this a week ahead of when this drops. So I'm going to go out on a limb here. I think we are going to go out on a limb here because I think you're going to go with this, right? We can see the future. We know that. We can see it. And so by the time y'all are watching this, there is no doubt in our minds that the U.S. has won. round of 32 game against Bosnia and Herzegovina. Let's go. And I'm going to further predict, then they've just won their round of 16 game. Okay.

That would have been against Senegal or Belgium. Okay. And we're about to embark on a quarter final, which is the furthest we've ever gotten at a World Cup, which was in 2002. But, you know. Potentially. There could be, there's been some upsets already. Hey, Cape Verde against Spain.

I'm going to have to slow it down. What about that Germany thing? That was a big deal. That was. The Germany thing yesterday, Paraguay, get out of here. I mean, unbelievable. Okay, but before we slow it down, I just want to give the listener,

I want to give the pod squad folks why you may want to consider getting into this. Oh, cool. Because I think that so many of us have struggled, right, with the state of our country to be able to wear a jersey and cheer for the red, white, and blue. Yeah. Right? Especially the men.

Yeah, exactly. So what I want to implore on to the Pod Squad and the party people is that when I wear the USA red, white, and blue, and I deck myself out and I go to the games, I am cheering for the version of this country that I believe to be. true. And the version of this country that I want this country to become. Ah, yes, that. Mm-hmm. That. And I believe that what is so great about this country is that we are in some ways set up to be divided, but how we find the middle matters. And I think, and I believe that sports has this unifying way of bringing people who are on the edges and polarized right now.

This is one thing that we might be actually able to agree on here, that we're going to agree that we're going to cheer for this one team. And the skill and the muscle of potentially being in the same stadiums or watching the same screens and cheering for the same team as somebody who may have voted differently than you, I'm not excusing them from that. But what I'm saying is we have to learn and create the skill and the muscle and the habit of being able to do something together. And this is one of those things.

Okay. This is one of those things. Now, my second point... I know where you're going. Yeah, I think this is going to excite Amanda, and I've talked about it with Glenn in. Amanda, do you know that the men's national team

and their success in this World Cup is actually putting dollars into the pockets of our women's national team players? Oh, you should have led with that. I know, I know. We should have gone on the very top. I be wearing all the stuff already. The most recent...

We can do equal things. We can do them. So the equal pay deal that the U.S. women signed with U.S. soccer requires the men and the women to share prize pools, the money that goes into the prize pool, equally. From FIFA. From FIFA, which is the key. So when the men are in the FIFA world, Cup, the men's World Cup, and the women are in the women's World Cup, how those teams do and how far they go on in those tournaments, FIFA gives a prize money to the U.S. soccer that gets

then divvied up 50-50 between the men and women's teams. And the further along this men's team goes in this tournament, every round you go into, more money gets put into that prize pool. The pile. Pot. Oh, my God. And isn't it true? So the men have been the recipients of the inverse of that because the women have been winning. However, isn't it true that the pool, the actual, like, prize, the purse in the women's game is so much smaller than the men's game. Yes. Exactly. So when you're watching. But that too is going to eventually change. It's going to get to equal, I think, by 2031. And then the men are going to really benefit because the women are going to be

crushing. Go far. Right. So if you're struggling to figure out whether or not you can cheer for our men's team, you in fact are cheering for our women's team when you are cheering for men's team during this men's World Cup. Wow, you guys are good at this pitch. Okay. Done. I'm in. So like if Freeman scores a goal, Trinity Rodman gets money.

Yes. Well, they have to win and they have to keep it like that. Just say it like that. Keep it simple. Enough goals. And in my mind, this is like the real definition of like one nation, one team, one of the taglines that U.S. soccer has very much had over the years. So we also want to get into a couple of things about why this is considered the greatest sporting event in the world.

Okay. Okay. And feel free to ask questions. Feel free to add your own reasons why you might think because you're smart and funny. And so I just want to give you the green light to just be yourselves here. But the truth is, is like, why is it that people travel thousands of miles to, go cheer their team on. And one of the cool things about the World Cup being here. And like sell their houses, by the way. Did you hear that? People were like selling their houses to come and make this a trip.

Because it's so expensive, first of all. Yeah. But Jules, have you ever traveled thousands of miles to go to World Cups? I have traveled thousands of miles, but typically because I'm getting paid to cover them or broadcast them. But I think why the world does this. And this is something that's hard. for Americans to understand because we don't feel the sport like the rest of the world feels the sport. And when you think of, this is a sport that has been passed on through generations in these different countries where that's all they have growing up. In America, we have American football and basketball and hockey and baseball. And you go down the list, right? In these countries, they literally live and breathe and bleed for football.

They call it football, which is soccer in the United States, or you can call it football. So it's very different because you've grown up with your entire country and your entire culture and your family. Just, you know, everything is around the country's football team. And so you feel it in a very different way culturally. And then it's the World Cup. it's once every four years and if you can even qualify, it's amazing. But then to get on, which has been fun to watch in this tournament because it's a larger field. They typically had 32 teams.

They had 48 this year for the first time. And I thought, oh, that might be too much. But what's really cool is you have all these teams who wouldn't have even made it to the World Cup, who are making a bit of a run. Look at Cape Verde. First World Cup. Abby and I had to look where Cape Verde was. I didn't even know where it was.

Where is this? Well, we heard that Cape Verde, Cabo, whatever, Cabo Verde. Yeah. Their entire population is two of the stadiums that are being played. Okay, two of the stadiums is their entire population. So then you think half of that is girls can't make the team. Yes. You have one stadium, you've got to think half of you can play.

Half of them are not, are. artists not like you've got like 30 people and you got to send 27 of them to the World Cup and then they're beating people. It's amazing. Yeah, it really is. And I think when it comes down to having traveled around the world playing in World Cups and also going to the Euros, it's so cool to watch other countries have the love of this sport that we grew up playing. and not just love, but it's like reverence and it's in their bones, right? This is what their families did every Sunday. This is their church.

This is their thing. And what I think is so... It's a religion in some ways. And what I think is so cool is that it's also this experience where you get to sit next to somebody and watch them go through emotional toil and like ups and downs. And your father is expressing himself. in a way that I never really saw my father express himself, like when he's watching the master's golf on television.

Did you see, to your point, when Paraguay, again, we're recording this a week before this goes live, but Paraguay won, they beat Germany. Right? Was it Germany? Yeah, it was Germany, right? And literally they did this amazing social media post of just slow mode reacts of fans.

and just weeping, weeping in the moment when the final whistle blew. And I was like, and I started weeping. I was like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. To see the emotion of it. It just means so much to the people. And for me, too, it's so beautiful to have the World Cup, the Men's World Cup here this summer, not only because of where our country has been over the last couple of years, but like watching the American immigrants,

watch their teams and watch with the kind of pride and love of their home country and then they left their home country to come here for all of the reasons and that they have the same kind of pride to watch our men play there's just something so freaking healing

about watching people and the community that brings people together around this thing that we can all agree on. And there seems to be like there's still some sort of decorum inside of the men's World Cup that like we're all still agreeing on a certain set of rules to live by. That feels, I think that's calming my nervous system because we've been living in such wild, wild west times where there's no consequences. Nobody has to follow any rules.

We have no agreed upon set of rules anymore. And every time I see a yellow card, I'm like, oh, thank you. Jesus. Someone is being held accountable. Yes. Yes. There is an arbiter. Rightness in the world and that man in the strength. Yes.

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Pilgrimage, that is good. Yes. But if you're just a person who, okay, this is my pitch for why I love when saw. I have loved these last two weeks. I love when soccer is on in the house. And you know that idea of introverts unite but separately and at home? Like, I, this is my moment where I feel like I'm part of a party because I'm in a moment with everybody else. There's thousands, thousands of people that are doing the same thing. And I am on my couch.

Yeah. I feel part of it. I'm a party person. You are a party person, aren't you? But also, I'm in my comfort zone. So if you are, because when I sit and watch TV during the day of a movie, I feel like a loser. I feel like, what am I doing? I'm not even, but when I'm watching soccer,

I feel like participatory. Yes, it's totally acceptable. I'm just meeting all my friends here without actually having to meet anyone. While still staying on my couch. Glennon, what's your definition of offside? My definition, basically, first of all,

it can't be understood, really, no matter what Julie says. It's like, it's just a matter of spiritual surrender. It's like God works in mysterious ways and so does offside. You should just accept it and probably not. The offside is not taking further questions. It's at a press conference and it's done, okay?

It doesn't have to defend itself. But if you want to know what it means, it basically just means even after all that, no goal and no further questions. And so I just recommend that like every time a team scores a goal, everyone loses their mind with joy. And I want to say, have we learned nothing? Like, shouldn't we just guard our hearts for a moment? Don't get excited yet. Just hold your heart.

Wait to see if the person with the black socks raises that little flag. Because most likely, they're going to. And then once that part is done, we cheer. Oh, that's so good. Okay, do we want to talk about what the difference is between a red card and a yellow card? Oh, I think we should definitely talk about cards. What do you guys think the difference is between a yellow card and a red card? How would you describe that?

I mean, to me, a yellow card is you need to think really hard about your behavior. And a red card is like, that's it. You had your chance and now it's done. And now you're going to get a consequence. And what I would recommend, just for positivity's sake, is that we also add green cards. Like when someone helps someone up, when someone has very good behavior, when someone... Can it X out a yellow card? No, because then people will just do it for that.

You're right. They'll have the wrong intention. I think a green card is when you do the right thing and you only have good intentions. Or, for example, you know, if you're a boy and you're playing soccer, if someone touches your pinky, you don't fall down and cry. Okay. If you just- And roll four times. Yes. You just deal with it and move on.

Green card. Okay. So this is something actually, before we get another red card and yellow card thing, we do want to talk a little bit about what is called flopping in soccer. Okay. Okay. You may have noticed. Which is also called soccer. Yeah.

Well, men soccer. It's called men soccer. Let's be clear. Yeah. So you may have noticed during this men's World Cup where there's some sort of battle or interaction on the field tackle. And it doesn't look so bad. But one of the players now has gone down on the ground and they are flailing. They're very upset. They're writhing in pain. They've been kicked in the ankle, but they're holding their face. They have never experienced such injustice. And frankly, on Dasteland. ever, except for 30 seconds before.

That's right. Yes, this is what we call flopping. And FIFA has tried over the years to really try to get a handle on this. And Jules, do you know if this World Cup that they're trying to caution some of the players who are feigning the injuries? Yeah. Well, they have new rules this year, which is actually really fun. What are that?

So they've tried to, to your point, Abby, get a handle on this because. it slows the game down right and it's like god every 10 seconds like someone's rolling and you're like come on you're fine so what they're doing now is if it's not a yellow card like cautionary foul so if the foul did not warrant a yellow card and the player doesn't get up right away they have to go into time out it's like you've got to face the wall for one minute they have to go off the field do they literally have to face the wall because I wish they did. I know, no, but I wish they did. Like, you're in timeout for one minute and your team plays down a player. Oh, it's like hockey. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a power play for one minute. So they have to get off. The team plays down and then they

run back on. That's wonderful. And I want to say to all the people who feel upset about the flopping, what I would like to suggest is that there's a deeper level of triggering when you're a woman watching men flop all over the place. I mean, for example, women soccer players do not flop. I mean, occasionally. You see it occasionally. We see I'm going to do it occasionally. But it's not a permanent state of being.

It's not a tactic. And I think that what's triggering about it is because that seems, that's what happens in every room, in every business, in every family, in every court, Supreme Court justice. The men are allowed to flop around. and flail and be so emotional and lose their minds. And if the women raise an eyebrow, everyone says they're too emotional. So I do just want to suggest that if it's triggering to you to watch the men flop, there might be deeper levels to why that is so annoying.

So true. So true. That's all. That's all what I'm going to say. And you know, it's possible that men are just too emotional to play soccer or lead in any of these other ways. But carrying on. But as long as it's a tactic that, like, people only do things that are aligned with their motivation, with their interests. So, like, it has clearly been an effective use to do that. And now they're realigning the rules so it's less effective. Yeah. A reason why they're trying to do that is because the bigger, the reaction, oftentimes, because the referees are human, right? And they're trying to play on the humanity of the referee. And so if they go down and fake this massive injury, the referee is more likely to not only just call it,

but potentially card the infraction or the player, which the more yellow cards, if you get two yellow cards in one game, that equals a red card to go back to the card situation. And if you get a red card, you have to leave and go into the locker room. You've got the big timeout. And then your team plays down a man

or down a player for the rest of that game. And so isn't it next game too? Yes. Wow. And sometimes more. depending on how egregious the red card was. Oh, there's levels of red cards? Yeah, they can review all of the cards.

Is it like a flagrant foul in basketball? Wow. What in the world did you? Where did you pull that from? Who are you? While we're talking about the flags and the cards. The flags? Yeah, I don't know why I said that.

Yeah. I just want to take one moment to shout out a group of people, in the soccer that I don't think get enough credit, which is these referees. I am, okay, I don't know why anyone hasn't written a book or done a complete study on the nervous system of these referees and how they handle, I know some of them are better than others, but the fact that they have 80,000 of the most passionate people in the entire world screaming at them from the stands, and yet they make the call based on what they see, resisting the peer pressure, resisting the fear of making their nervous systems should be studied.

They should teach parenting classes. Every time I watch them, I'm like, oh, that's how I want to do it. It's like the equivalent of free climbers. Like, I'm like, you're made of different things than me. I would look at everybody and be like, honestly, I could see it both ways. Or just like looking at the crowd and being like, what do you guys think? Okay. Like they are amazing.

Red. What do you think? Their faces say, I believe in myself. I saw what I saw. They should take courses and they hold the line. Never. You could not pay me enough dollars. Nope.

I know. They have some fortitude. That's for sure. I would not want that job. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I was thinking of that USA Brazil match. This isn't World Cup related.

This is women related when there were eight red cards. And that woman, oh my gosh, to your point, Glenn and I was like, I don't know how she did it. I mean, because that was about to unravel. They had to bring the right. Well, about, it did. It did unravel. There were eight red cards. It unraveled.

And then Marta came out, and I love Mesa Marta. And I was like, now she's going to calm this shit down. And then it's, Martha just ratcheted it up 60%. And sister, they brought out riot people with riot gear to protect the refs after. I was like, wow. Yeah, it was a wild. And this woman ref was just not having it and handled the whole business. And it was, I thought it was going to like be a viral thing.

Jules, do you want to explain really quick the stagings and all the different rounds really very quickly? Because I think that people might understand this. Everyone is put into a group. There's this draw that happens ahead of the World Cup. They're all put in different pots. They draw out of the different pots. They literally call them pots. So that higher-ranked teams are in one pot and you put them in each a group.

There are 12 groups of four teams. So 48 teams to start all this. 12 groups, four teams. And the 12, it goes from the worst 12 to the best 12. It goes from the best in one pot. Is that what you mean? No, she's... Like there's 12 pots and like...

No. So what Julie's saying is this, there's multiple pots where the names of each team are getting drawn to be put and placed. Yeah, to be placed into a group. Like Hogwarts. Oh, okay. So that you don't have too many top ranked teams in one bracket. It tries to even out all the brackets by rankings, right? Got it.

So that it evens out all these teams. This is the first time, again, they've had 48 teams. Okay. They now have a round of three. 32. So there's an extra game because there used to just be 32 teams. Now there's a round of 32, meaning the top 32 teams. So the top two in each group that gives you 24 of the 12 groups, right? So top two of the 12 groups are through to the next round, to the knockout stages. And then they picked eight teams that were the top eight third place finishers of the 12 groups. So that

depended on points. It depended on goals scored. Head to head. All those things that they look at. Goal difference. So they then pick those top eight and that's your round of 32 matchups. If you finish first in your group like the United States did, you typically play a three or a two team. Not everyone can play a three because there's only eight, right? But we get a three team. Bosnia and Herzegovina was a three team, was a three seed. So when you finish top of your group, you usually get someone that's ranked lower, which is good for the United States or for whoever finishes. It doesn't always work out that way, as we know, Germany, Paraguay, for example.

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When is the actual championship? Because I know we're recording this a week in advance. We now know the entire 32. And then when is it? be in between like 16 and quarterfinals around 16 and quarterfinals. Hopefully we just won. If the U.S. win against Bosnia and Herzegovino, which is on Wednesday, July 1st, then they play

on July 6 against the winner of Senegal, Belgium. And then if they win that game, they would go to the quarter final on July 10th in, guess where that is? No. No. Yes. Yes. L.A.

But I can't go because my, they lost. one and we went to Turkey. Julie, I just want to ask you about this real quick because I need you to help me understand this. We went to the Turkey A USA game. Okay? It was wonderful. It was the most, it was so fun.

And we were actually surrounded by Turkey A fans. Oh, you were? That's fun. Honestly, Chase and I, when they, Chase and I were like crying a little bit for the Turkey A fans, and we were so happy for them. and we were hiding it from Emma and Abby because we felt like they would be furious with us

if they saw us feeling that way. But it was, they were, anyway. Is this true? Yeah. Oh, my God. We're leaving the stadium. And Abby says to us, I need you to know that we can never go,

no matter what happens in this World Cup, we can never go to a game again. And she said it in full seriousness. And the kids were like, wait, what? And she said, I can't be there. My energy is not wanted at the game. And I'm telling you right now, I'm not joking. I will not set foot in the stadium again. Abby, I know. In case it's my fault. No, you guys, I'm so sad about it. And also, so are my children because they want to go to another game.

Julie, help us. What is that real? What is? No, it is not real. It is Abby's real. She's very superstitious, as we know. But I said to her the same thing, Glennon. I'm like, you're crazy. Go to the the game and bring the energy that is required to get them over the top. And she's like, I can't. I can't. I'm like, yes, you can. For your kids and for this country, you can do this. Thank you, Julie Fowdy. But she actually believed, I don't agree with it. But there's something about it that I respect so deeply because she is so self-sacrificial. She wants more than anything to be at that game and she feels she can't. There's some kind of grandiosity and also sacrifice in it that I can't mesh.

It's so self-sacrificing and also so self-involved. Yeah. It's like, I did it. Yeah, you are not responsible for this. I understand. I deeply, deeply understand that, but I would not be able to live with myself if I go and then they lose. Okay.

I think you need to think differently. I think you need to think and put it into the universe that they will win because you are there. and they will win. Because why not us? Abby. That is what they say. Why not us?

Yes. I love that. I do want to note and stay on time here. I want to talk about a couple of wholesome moments that I think you too and the pod squad will really love. And then we have our little fun game at the end to close this thing up. And also if we go a little along, it's okay. It's so fun.

Are you having fun? I'm having so much fun. Okay. That is making me so happy because I just want to. I wanted you guys to show up and just be yourselves. Yeah, it's so fun. Okay. Okay, so I just wanted to tell you, and I don't know if you know this, sister, but a man's

name on our men's national team is called Freeman. Yes, I do. This is where you were going. Wait, what's his name Freeman? Where you have two good ones then. Yeah. Julie, what is his first name? I'm losing my mind.

Alex. Alex Freeman. Okay. And he scored a goal on June 19th. do you understand what the history of the name Freeman is as it relates to Juneteenth? Does she understand? So, do you want me to tell the story of Juneteeth? Please.

Or do you want me to tell? Briefly, sister. Not a legal document. We need this. How much time you got? We need this brief. Okay, okay. So.

Glennon just said we had time. I know. You don't know what could happen here, Julie. The emancipation proclamation. This is something Lincoln does. He says, okay, enslaved people, but to be totally clear, it's just the people who are fighting against the union, not the northern, not the border states, but that's fine. Are now free because of the South in rebellion against the North. Okay.

So now enslaved people are no longer free, except that the places out west, including Texas, are like, well, if we just don't tell the people there for, then they will never know. Okay? So it is literally, I think it's three years after enslaved people have been officially emancipated. That word gets to people who are enslaved in Texas that they have in fact not only been liberated from enslavement, but that has been the case for years, but no one has bothered to tell them.

Wow. So a army officer comes in. spreads the good news to the enslaved people of Texas and says, y'all are free. That date that he came in and spread that news was Juneteenth, and that is what is celebrated on June Teeth, which Freeman. Yeah. And so Alex Freeman scored a goal on June 19th for the United States against Australia in a World Cup. Isn't that crazy?

Get out of here. And that is the most common name. right? Yeah, the common surname. Many of them renamed themselves. Exactly. Because they had been given Oh, they renamed themselves because they're now free men. Yes, and because they had been given names by their slave owners. Right. Correct. So they carried the name of the enslaved er. Right. For them and their people. So they didn't want those names anymore. That's so incredible. It's so cool. It's so cool. Okay. We're going to end that on a high note. Wait.

Go ahead, Jules. we have to talk about birthright citizenship yes i forgot okay i was going to say that was the second part that's what i thought you were going to originally no i totally freaking forgot okay flow ball again so excited my number number 20 he was born in new york city his mother and his family are from Nigeria, and they live and were residing in London and had citizenship there, flew from London to the U.S. to visit family. They were turned away at the gate because she was too pregnant, so she had a baby and a few weeks later, flew back to London and lived their whole lives. So, well, we- So baby in New York City. Yeah, baby in New York City. So because of the

birthright citizenship and some of the folks who are cheering on our men's national team who may not have voted the way that I voted, know this, that Flo Balligan, our leading goal score on our men's national team, has the reason why he's on our national team is because he was born here in the United States. Because of birthright citizenship, which I believe was just upheld by the Supreme Court yesterday. Just upheld. It was. Can you believe that? They probably just did it so we could keep Balligan. And they're probably going to take it away right after the World Cup, but let's enjoy it for a couple weeks. I feel like when you're talking about, about the pilgrimage of the countries here that is so real. And it occurs to me that a lot of

these places don't have. Like when you can't understand the fanaticism of some of these people supporting their country, think about like a Red Sox fan or a Yankees fan. It's like that, like you're born, you're initiated into your tribe where that is just as much a part of you and is going to be forever. It's that. And it's also like, I mean the Olympics is like this two but like the people coming are like, this is who we are. Like this is how we want the world to document us. This is us like representing ourselves as opposed to the media representing us or all the other governments portraying us.

And the reason I'm so obsessed with DRC is because there is this guy who Democratic Republic of Congo was for a long time fought to get for liberation from colonization by Belgium. And their leader, Lumumba, was like this amazing, amazing, amazing human. He was their first, like, democratically elected leader, fought for their liberation and then was, in part with USA involvement, tortured and murdered when he was 35. There's a statue in Kinshasa of when they finally decades later got Lamamba's body back to Kinshasa. And Bolodinga is the man who does it. And he stands with his arm as a statue, frozen. with his arm up in the air for 90 minutes the whole time.

And he calls himself Lamamba Viella or Lumumba Lives to represent like who DRC is, how much they fought for their, for their independence, how they still are fighting for that right now. And he had trouble getting his visa. And the team put him on as their official roster so he could get his visa to come to the games because he's that important. important to DRC. What? That is so weird. They rostered him as a player? Well, they rostered him as part of, not as a player, but as like their official team.

So that he's going to say, holy cow. No. But I mean, it's like that kind of thing that's like, these people are like, this is, see us. Don't listen to what your people say about us. Like, this is who we are. I just, it's so beautiful. The World Cup is so good. Okay, you guys, do you want to play a game?

Sure, babe. Okay. The game is this. And Jules, we can just take turns reading them off. But the game is this. Is it queer or is it FIFA? Wow. And by the way,

can it be both? Good and evil. Can it be by? Okay. Can it be by. It's not typically both as you're going to understand soon. And if you don't know what FIFA means, it means the Federation of International Football Association, right?

Association. Okay. Yes. So it is what we call the governing body of international football worldwide. It is the acronym for Federation International Football. And it sometimes makes some curious, often, not sometimes. It often makes some curious decisions about things. Yeah. Like the Peace Prize. Amanda, I don't know. Feefe is the one that gave. So that's all you need to know. They presented Donald Trump with a fake. They made a fake Peace Prize for him. He didn't get the Nobel.

Okay. Number one, okay. This is for Amanda. I'm going to say, two options and you're going to have to decide which one is queer and which one is FIFA. Okay. This is so fun. The official sponsor would be Tesla or Subaru. Oh my God. Challenging me. Tesla, FIFA, Subaru Queer. Yes, excellent. Did ding! Let's do a checkmark there. Glennon, you have the next one. Okay. Every stadium would have enough bathrooms for women or would have Multiple private suites. Oh my God.

Okay. Multiple private sweets, FIFA. Yes. I mean, I heard FIFA is leaving sweets open just because they don't want to lower the prices. They'd rather have empty freaking sweets than dare to lower their prices to plebeians.

And then I think enough bathrooms for women and would be queer. Yes. Well done. Thank you. Check, check. Okay, Amanda, the opening ceremony, entertainment,

would be Shakira or Brandy Carlisle. Well, I do know that Shakira wrote the theme song for the World Cup when I was living in Africa that was taking place in South Africa. So I'm going to have to say, this one's for Africa. Na, nah, nah, nah. I mean, that's a beautiful song. So I hesitate to put Shakira in the FIFA bucket because I claim her. her. I love her. But I think she was officially that. And Brandy clearly is as queer as queer can be. Yes. Chiching. Tading. Just I'm also going to note that I love Shakira because if you, if you don't

love that Hips Don't Lie song, you're all, you're lying. But also, she didn't like the Barbie movie. She said officially that her sons felt like it was emasculating. So I take her to the a little, I'm smushing her a little FIFA. Okay. I didn't hear that. the FIFA side. She also was married to one of the best defenders in the history of the game for a long time, Piquet. Okay. And she's just, you know. They're no longer together.

She's great at her job. All right. Next one. Okay. Red card. Okay. You did something very bad that sent you to the locker room. Yes.

Or red card. Unfortunately, your face card was declined. Okay. Um, I, honestly, I'm going to. go differently than you think I am. I feel like turning you away because you don't look a certain way is more FIFA than queer. I'm going with FIFA for your face card was declined. And I feel like queer people are serious about justice. So I'm going with queer for you did something bad that sends you to the locker room. No, I'm going to give her the check because I think that's brilliant. It's a critical

analysis of the game and I'll give her that. Yes. All right, Amanda, yellow card. for an inappropriate tackle or a yellow card, girl, get your shit together. Girl, anything with girl is queer. Yeah. Ching! Um, okay, let's, oh, do the, good, go to the video replay system. Okay. The video replay system is named VAR or it's named, are we sure, babe?

Oh my God. Can you imagine? Are we sure, babe, is so good. Definitely queer. And don't you guys wish we had B.A.R. in our houses? Every time Abby and I get an argument, I just want to be like, I wish we had like three challenges. Yes. Yeah.

I wish we had like three times where we can check it. Are we sure, babe? But we'd get punished if we overused it like they do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to pat my helmet throughout our fight just to roll it back. Can you see what you actually set?

One more. to Amanda, hydration breaks so that we can make more money or we're going to play through the 45 minute half because we have Yetis. Oh, well, we have Yetis because we're queer. Yes. But I think we should also have more money. Both queer. Actually, somebody on our content call thought about the hydration breaks to make money to be

donated to puppy rescues or something. Okay, all right, that's good, too. That could also be queer. Yeah, if it's lesbians, then it would definitely be to dog rescues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, my God, I love that game.

Can we talk a little bit about some of the reasons why we feel like the men's World Cup is inherently gay? Yeah. Okay. These are some fun things. Jules, go ahead and read those off if you want. My favorite is clearly the butt slaps when someone makes a good play because I, I'm all for butt slaps. Yes. They just want to touch each other so bad.

And they just only have this one opportunity at their practices and their games to hug. I saw a precious man, like, tackle somebody. And he fell down. He tumbled. And he pulled the man up. He was on another team. And he pulled the man up and just kissed him right on his head to make sure he felt okay. I don't know what team it was, but I was like, his immediate reaction was to just give that man a kiss and make sure he was okay.

Okay. What about buying the jersey? is to put somebody else's name on your back. How inherently gay is that? Isn't that so gay of us? Well, it certainly makes me upset when I think about all the guys who get so mad about Swifties.

I'm like, you people, when girls get excited about anything, it's like, oh, you're such losers. And then these men wake up and, like, get together in stadiums and lose their damn minds over the men on the field. Yeah, and they have these fantasy teams

that the sports, the draft, that they draft their team and then make it a whole big thing and they're wearing all of the jerseys and they're high-fiving and they're hugging and they're doing a lot of touching during games. Yes. It's very inherently gay. Yes. I love it. Also, the collecting.

This is the fact they call it fantasy is also very funny. It's true. I never even thought of. It's true. Also the chanting of players' names and then also the collecting cards of the favorite players. Yes. And also the grooming, the grooming. The men's World Cup grooming. These soccer players, it is like they put them in a factory and they like run them through the factory and they're like eyebrows check. Put them on the little thing to do legs and the shaving and the hair and the thing.

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The women are going to be playing in the World Cup next year? Next summer. Next summer. Okay. It feels to me like a beautiful thing is happening right now in which women soccer players, like you two, leaders, icons. are really sort of supporting this men's team in a way that feels like overt and like big. And do you feel that that energy is going to be reciprocated is a question that I have? And also, it feels to me like there are so many missed opportunities from whoever's in charge here, FIFA, US soccer, whatever, to really highlight and show the support.

and the unity between the two teams. Like, why during the games are they not showing all the women players who have shown up to these games who are fly? Abby told me they're all there. Like, why are there not specific moments where these organizations are highlighting the support between the two? Why, why when they present awards, do they not have the women's team coming to present something to the men's team?

men's team coming to present it to the women. And do you feel as if this energy will be reciprocated during the women's World Cup? That's a good question. And here is the thing that I love about being me and a woman. I believe that for the first time in my adult life, that our men's national team has gotten better. And that there is a potential to go pretty deep in this tournament. And I actually am opening myself up to utter annihilation, and I've told you this, Glennon, that if they don't get to the semis, I will cry. And I will be very, very sad because I am opening myself up to that being a real possibility. Like you're emotionally invested. I am invested. I'm not, I'm not holding myself back. I'm getting my body and my clothes and I'm getting my overalls and I'm getting my face painted

and I'm getting into it because I... But you're not going. You're going. But I'm not going. because they lost. But I do believe that like there is a certain amount of vulnerability I have allowed myself or lack of vulnerability. I've allowed myself with the men's team. And right now that's been thrown out the window because I think that there's a real possibility this summer. Now, fast forward to next summer, I would love for the men to show up in the similar way

for the women. that the women have shown up for the men. I would love for U.S. soccer and FIFA. Wait, Tio, real quick. Do you think the men know how much the women have showed up for them? To Glennon's point, like, no one has put it out there. Evergreen statement. But like, why aren't they showing it?

Like, why? Yeah. Like, do they know? During the Turkey eye game, I mean, they kept showing Brad Pitt. They thought everybody was going to get excited about Brad Pitt. No one noise for Brad Pitt. When they showed Mia and Julie in the box, the crowd lost their mind. It was immediate.

It was massive. And my thought was, our country wants to see that so much, especially when you think about the hockey shit that we went through in the Olympics. And the women are showing up in such a big way for the men. And it feels like it could be such a beautiful precedent. And another unifying thing, if they would just get their shit together enough to highlight it. Yeah, the highlight. we had at the first opening game in LA, I think we had 40 U.S. Women's National Team

alumni there. Yeah. Right? And like iconic players that Alex Morgan to Kristen Press, Tobin Heath, I mean, go down the list. It was, and they, Mia, they didn't show one player. I don't think. Lindsay, they showed Lindsay Heaps, which was great. But that was it. Like, why wouldn't they have them all in one place. Just as like a cultural critic but not knowing anything about soccer, it's hard to understand how that's not intentional. Because it would be such an obvious play and would be such an obvious like galvanizing situation. And maybe that's precisely why it's not. I mean, it seems to me that FIFA has profited for many, many years with a false paradigm that more for them means less for you and less for them means more for you and that they have perpetuated

that in their negotiations over and over and over again. So don't they have a stake in that? Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of them on purpose keeping the women out of the broadcasts or out of being on the videos in the stadiums. I think that and it's worse. I think that they just actually don't even think about it. Well, this is just a call out like a manifestation and asked whoever's listening that could possibly affect this, that we need to see that. Yeah. We need to see the women icons who have built this thing. We need to see them there supporting this team.

We need to see that just as much as we need to see any of these other unifying visuals. So do the guys. Right. So are the players. They need to see it too because they need to know how we're showing up for them. Yes. in a way that they then next summer will be able to show up for us. That's how this stuff works.

And we're doing it. We're showing up. And I know that some of these guys will also show up and cheer for us and watch. However, it's another thing to do it very publicly. Like, we're all doing it. Right? Rather than just doing it privately and like, you know, tweeting once or whatever it is. Yeah.

Yeah. It's beautiful. It's new. It's fresh. It should be seen. It could make a difference. and it feels very much like the sleepover thing is happening, but the parents are not showing it.

They're not keeping it. And we would like whoever the parents are to actually show that the people at the sleepover are having a good time and cheering for each other. Women of excellence cheering on men of excellence and vice versa would be a really healing situation to happen. It's true. Okay, you guys, guess what?

Yeah. We've done it. We've done it. We love you guys. so much for giving us this opportunity to teach you a little bit about the Men's World Cup and what is going on this summer and how things keep going. Oh, oh, oh, what we do need to explain really quick that now that we're in the knockout round stage games, many games might go into what we call extra time over time. Oh, good point. That are two 15 minutes. So if the game ends in a

tie, the 90 minutes, and you're probably going to see 90 plus six or 90 plus seven, there's that extra bit of time because the hydration breaks or certain injuries that happen during the game, it extends the game. When the final whistle blows for the regulation, then the game goes into two extra times, a first half and a second that are both 15 minutes long. So the overtime period is the total is 30 minutes, split up into two, one 15, another 15. If it is still tied at that point, because there's no golden goal, meaning if somebody scores, the game is not over, you play both overtime periods. If it is still tied after the second overtime period, then it goes into penalty kicks.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Which is each team gets to do a coin toss to decide what goal to do the penalty kick at, and then what in which order, first or second. Well, explained, Abby. Well, explained. Sorry, I just knew that that's going to happen. It's important. And I feel like that was a big missing link.

And one thing that the soccer could consider, if they have time, is we would need less explaining about time if they would maybe consider doing what everyone else does, which is having a clock that counts down instead of up. So like, for example, it's impossible to know how much time is left because it would be like if I start my microwaves. Because you can't do math. If I put my microwave on and I started at five minutes, I put five minutes and then my microwave just starts at zero. And then I just have to remember how many minutes I put it on because it's counting up. But like, the soccer could consider starting with 90 and counting down.

And then we would all know what was coming. Additionally, stop. And just stopping the clock instead of the referee adding that stoppage time. Like, just stop the clock. Yeah, agree. And then you carry it. So everyone knows when it's done, it's done. Yeah.

Exactly. There is always a big surprise where the gods go back and tell us how much time we have left. Yes. And it's like, one can't know. Is it one minute or 19? You can't know. 10 minutes? What?

Speaking of extra time, we have gone very long. Okay. Now I'm actually going to put our ideas to practice. We have to sign off here. I love you guys so much. Thank you for doing this little, fun little thing. Such an honor to learn this from the two best, the two best. I know.

Such an honor. We love you both so much. Thank you for this. I hope you learned something. You sure did. Thanks for indulging and seemingly interested. I'd look like you guys. And if you're a we can do hard things person and you would like to continue your the sports journey, freaking go, if you're not already watching right now, go to listen and support welcome to the party. I mean, what they are doing over there with Billy Jean King also is, I mean, it's shifting conversations.

It's an absolute blast. It's learning about sports from the absolute best. Go over, listen, support them, especially during this next year as we get towards the Women's World Cup. It's going to be all anyone's talking about. So you're going to want to learn it. Yeah. And we also have a substack.

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does it okay pause in Amanda's never done it and Amanda in 1985 our women's national team went over to Italy for the very first tournament of our women's national team. And the Italians only saw USA on those jerseys. And so they said, Usa, Usa. And so in the very first tournament that our women's national team played in, they created a cheer. And it goes like this. Usa, Usa, Usa, uh. So on three, and the uh is, you say, it includes like a pelvic dress, I imagine. Yeah. Okay. You say, Usa, Usa, uh. And by the way, it is still to this day, the, the, the cheer that our women's national team uses. Yeah.

It's very cool. Okay. Usa on three. One, two, three. Usa, Usa, Usa, Usa, oh. Oh. Yeah.

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