We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - Why G & Abby Made Out on Stage at Brandi’s GJWW!

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

What really happened at Girls Just Wanna Weekend? (Short answer: joy, gyrations, no restraint.) Glennon and Abby take you inside Brandi Carlile’s Mexico gathering—a wildly safe, queer weekend beaming with music, connection, and collective joy. They unpack their now-iconic onstage “Come to My Window” performance (there were lifts), how rehearsals accidentally became couples therapy, and why joy, sexuality, and community aren’t distractions from this moment—but acts of resistance. Plus: the magic of Titans of Americana, where Brandi shared the stage with her legendary idols and Tish—bridging generations and honoring the past while lifting up what’s next. Listen to last year’s debrief – 277. What Happened Last Weekend: Girls Just Wanna Have Fun & We DID! – here.  Follow We Can Do Hard Things on:  Instagram — ⁠https://www.instagram.com/wecandohardthings⁠ TikTok — ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@wecandohardthingsshow⁠

Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. Today we are celebrating the international holiday. You know, you got your Christmas, you got your Hanukkah, you got your Ramadan, you got your overarching holiday, which is girls just want a weekend in Mexico. with Brandy Carlyle. Okay, thank you to Brandy for bringing this sensation to the planet. And for all those who celebrate, you know that it was a few weeks ago now. And I thought that we could all learn what happened, those of us who were back home shivering and being sad in our hearts that we were not there.

Together, we can find out from Glenn and Abbey how girls just want to wanted. Girls just want to? How did you want? What do girls just want? And there was a performance by two of the hosts, Glenn and Abby. There was singing. There were gyrations. There were. There were costumes. There were lifts. There were lifts. Nobody puts baby in a corner. There was a lot. So I don't know anything about it yet other than some rather scandalous. scandalous images I found on the internet. And so we're going to find out what girls do when they want to. Glennon and Abby, how was your time celebrating? Well, first we should just describe what it is, which is hard to do. Do you want to try? What girls just want to is?

Yeah. Well, I mean, the pod squad knows. I know, but there might be new people. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying there are a lot of people that came up to me that, when we were there and they said, I listened to the podcast last year and I just thought, I got to get my ass here. Yes.

You'll have to go back and listen to, I think it was last year or the year before. Was it a couple years ago? We did a whole girls just want to podcast a debriefing. I feel like this is like Bravo where they, you know, I've never seen any of either the show or the after show. But I feel like we now have this series going where it's like. For those who watched the show, you're going to watch, I'm Andy, okay? And we're going to debrief on what happened there. Hopefully there'll be some yelling and gowns. And then there, so we did that last year

and then actually recorded a podcast last year, actually in Mexico. So there's two. So let me just try, I'll try to describe it. It's like there's a lot of ways to describe it. I feel like this is going to have to be like a sermon on the mount. Like I can't tell you, I can't describe it directly. But the kingdom of God is like a mustard seed and girls just want to is sort of a lesbian lalapalooza. It's sort of a queer gathering of thousands of people, some of who are not queer, but the gathering is still queer. Brandy started it as like a music festival, but like everything that Brandy and Catherine do music is just like the medium through which to bring people together and heal and dance and be safe together. It's a music festival where Brandy gathers.

all kinds of incredible legacy, brilliant artists from who we've known for decades and then brand new artists and people like us who are not artists and non-artists and people who neither in the past nor in the future will be artists and yet are still invited. But that I think really describes it because it's not just artists that show up. It's people who are doing really interesting community work. And, you know, there's like a soccer event that I run and people show up to. They have dance classes. They have all these sorts of activities that you can do throughout the day.

And then at nighttime, it becomes basically like a music festival. It's held at a hotel where everybody is literally staying and you can walk to the venues, walk to the activities. You can gather at the pools during the day and there's pool side stages where the whole pool is full, literally full of people in inner tubes or standing, just that is the crowd for the stage. And the stage is there and everyone's just filling the pool. Is this the sixth year of it or the seventh year? That was the sixth.

Yeah. That was the sixth. Okay. So a lot of people have been every year. But you can come in new. It's not like a needed to have been there before. Yeah. I mean, Brandy jokes with me that it's turned me into an extrovert, which is not true.

but it turns me into an extrovert for like 20 minutes a year, which... For four minutes. 20 minutes a year for four minutes. Yeah, you're right. Because the song is about four minutes long. But those are magical minutes in my life. And I giggle about that, but it's true. And I think the reason why maybe people feel extroverted there where they don't anywhere

else is because it is a, for some reason, it feels it is so safe. I don't mean safe like you're not going to get hurt or you're not going to get hurt or stuff taken, which those things are not going to happen. I just mean safe as in everybody gets to be exactly who they are. And I will say, it is very odd to know that when you put your wallet on the ground anywhere while you are on property there and you walk away because you need to go get a water or you have to go potty or whatever, your stuff is still there when you come back. And in fact, Not only is your stuff still there, there are people who have been actively watching your stuff for you.

That happens to me all the time there. You didn't know it, but they come over and they said I was watching your stuff. Or they'll go Glennon. It's right there. They won't even extend. They'll just go Glenn. It's right there. So much.

Brandy facilitates all of this because I will just say, Brandy and Catherine are two of our dearest friends in the entire world. I have learned over time that they don't vibe with being complimented. It's so interesting. It's like they don't have time for it. They're just like next next community community. They're not like, but I cannot ever talk about them without saying that the way that they curate and the spirit with which they build their community is why it's the way it is. It is the intentionality, the generosity with which they honor people who have come before them and which they guide and shepherd young artists and the love that they pour into every single moment of this.

this festival is as stunning. It feels, I know that Brandy is very Jesus-y and very much when I'm there, I feel that vibe. I feel this is like, oh, this is her way of bringing her version of heaven to earth. That is what it feels like. It feels extremely spiritual and generous and intentional and heavenly. Is that why they do the 80s night? Okay. So, as always, things that are deep and spiritual are often absurd.

Well, heaven is a place on earth, okay? Ooh, heaven is a place on earth, which is Belinda Carlisle. Coincidence? Not, maybe not related, not related. Not related. So here's what happens. I've studied this of myself. I've studied this of myself.

First, we started coming because Brandon, And he's like, oh, come and, you know, it's all cheesy. Oh, just come and see. Just taste and just come in the door. We started to go the first couple years. And I thought, I will go, I will stand in my corner, I will watch, I will observe, I will keep my distance. But much like the rhythm, girls just want to get you. It's going to get you.

It's exactly what's going to happen. So slowly, I started surrendering more and more. until one year. Well, the first year, Brandy and Kath asked us to go and sing a song with them on stage closer to fine for 80s night. And we said yes, but of course, Glenn and I made a pact since we don't have good voices and both Brandy and Kath have great voices. We both said, we're not going to sing. And even during that performance on stage, so just as a backdrop, the last night of the festival, they do either 80s night or 90s night, Night of the Living 90s or Ladies of the 80s.

Every artist comes on stage and sings a cover of a song of that decade or whatever. And so that's how it started. We went on stage and during the song that we were supposed to be on stage for, Glenn and I were just like walking around like, yay, hi everybody. Just yucking it up. Just yucking it up. And Brandy covers her microphone, turns me and goes sing. Yeah.

And I said, fuck off. No. I'm not going to sing. Why would I do that? Why would I want to ruin your perfectly lovely concert with my singing music? Exactly. Are we trying to get these people to heal? Haven't they been through enough?

So anyway, we said no. Then... The rhythm was going to get Glennon. And it got her. She saw Jumbotron. And that was the end of that. She said, Jumbotron, why have there forsaken me? Year 2 shows up.

Year 2. Pre year 2. What I'm trying to say is that I think there's something about this community or maybe any community in which you feel so safe and beloved that encourages you to allow your freak flag to fly. I heard you just to take off your clothes and start singing. I, a few months before, girls just won a last year, just happened to somehow order a share outfit and I sent Brandy a video of me performing an audition, you mean?

an audition video. But I made it so that it could be dismissed as a joke. So that if she just laughed, I could say, ah, ha, ha, yeah, Joe, it's funny. Just joking. But what I really wanted her to do is see my audition video that I said and say, well, obviously you're performing that. The girl just wanted. And, you know, it was a G string and, like, fishnet stockings and a huge wig.

I still am. You're still upset about it. I'm not upset. I'm still like, wow, I can't believe that you're walking. out of house wearing this. The good news is that Brandy texted back immediately and said, obviously, you're performing this. The girls just want to. And I said, oh, my God, I had not even considered that. Oh, I could never. I have not plotted and coordinated this behind the scenes for months. Oh, my stars. What had happened was I went out on stage and I ordered Abby a sailor costume

because if you have not seen the video of if I could turn back time with Cher on the aircraft carrier with all the sailors. I don't know what you've been doing with your life, but you must do that today. So I ordered Abby a sailor costume that I ordered it six sizes too small. No, big. Too big. Why did you do that? I don't know. I don't know. So she ended up looking more like kind of like a Pillsbury doughboy than a... That's exactly right. That's exactly what I look like. You know how you look back on like those really fancy rich people from the 1940s that dress their little boys in like those little white outfits with the smock at the top and the white long socks with the white shoes.

That's what she looked like. That's right. So you had like sex vix and Glennon and like a 1950s toddler of Abby. That's right. And so we kind of performed that, but Abby had not really bought into the whole idea beforehand. Well, because my fucking outfit was terrible. Nobody would have buttoned into that. Okay.

So the point is that happened. And then this year, Abby decided she really wanted to go all in with me on this whole performance. Now, can we try to explain why this is important, this performance that we do each year? I don't know how to explain it other than, first of all, I like the idea that when you're in a culture, you buy into the culture. When I'm there, I'm like, oh, I get what's happening here, and I am going to participate fully. I see what you are doing, and I want to meet you there. Well, the thing that I've realized in the three years that we've gone, number one, our family looks forward to this event every year. But this last night where the artists get on stage, some who sing and some who do not, they are modeling behavior.

I think, to the crowd around the revolution in dancing, the revolution in not worrying about how it's going to look, even if it's like foolish seeming to get on the dance floor, to get on the stage and have fun. The thing that I cannot believe about this last couple of months since we've been preparing for it is how much fun and how much play has gone into the preparation of it. Yes, let's talk about the preparation of it. So we decided that this year, our vibe needed to be defiant, joyful, queer sexiness and love. Okay? That is the vibe we wanted for our dance. So, dance for our dance. And so we... Routine. One day I was out for my walk and come to my window, just started spinning in my head. And I thought, oh my God, this song would be so good as a duet.

I came home. Do you remember when I came home? Oh my God. And I was like, I know what we're doing for Girls Just Wanna. I've just been listening to Ram Dass. And I know what we're doing. Rom Das and Melissa Etheridge. Only two people that I take counsel from. Okay.

So I came home and was like, I know what we're doing. We got in a little argument because I felt like you weren't as excited about I was at the time. But then you reminded me that you were just trying to watch football and you weren't in the zone. Oh, no. I wasn't trying to watch football. I was actually doing work sitting at my computer. Well, you came in. Same.

Yeah. So you said same, same. Right. She was doing research for Welcome to the Party, which might look to you suspiciously like watching football. Okay. So anyway, I felt like it's possible that Abby maybe wasn't taking this dance as seriously as I wanted us to be taking it. That wasn't necessarily true, but that's how I felt. Anyway, for Christmas, I opened up my big gift.

and it is a letter that says that Abby has coordinated with Kath and found a choreographer in L.A. Abby and I are going to go meet with a few times and she is going to teach us to choreograph. Now, anyone who was at girls just want to is not going to believe this. We actually. That was intentional. Everything you saw was intentional and had professional guidance behind it. We spent hours. We might want to edit this part out because people that.

they are going to be like, really? No, for really. They'll be stunned. We spent our, this person has been a choreographer for Justin Timberlake, okay? And we walk in. Thank you, Dana. She's amazing. Her name is Dana.

So Abby and I. And also Kristen Sadecas, who helped me connect with the name, Dana. She's so great. So Abby and I go drive an hour to go to this beautiful little studio in L.A. And we stand, it's like one of those rooms like you see on like dancing with the stars. It's like a huge room with like mirror. With mirrors and a bar on it and everything? I don't know if there was a bar.

Okay. There were tall ceilings, music, all this stuff. We had a call first. I said, I want it to be defiant. I want it to be very simple. I don't want you to say things to me like, and one, two, three, four. Start it one and let's go. If you say one, two, three, four, I'm going to sit down.

I can't do that. Because also what you must know, and you know this sister, there's reasons that this experience is healing for me, part of my villain origin story, okay, is that I tried out for cheerleading. Oh God, here we go. Buckle up, buttercups. I tried out for cheerleading. I don't know if it was four or five times. All I know is way too many times. It was four too many is what it was. Yeah. And I wanted to be a cheerleader so bad. I just felt like I am not relevant, but if I get one of those uniforms. If I just get something that says proof that I belong here, my life will change. Okay, so I was convinced that all I needed to do was make the cheerleading squad to solve my

life. And I kept trying and they would do these dances and they would teach the dance and they would say things like one, two, three, four. I would go home. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. I'm going to say one, two, three, four. Now I understand that like for someone who's a very, severely disassociated and disembodied, there's a reason why this was so hard for me and is so hard for me. But the funniest part is that you would go to the practice. I mean, it's not funny. The tragic part is that you would go to the tryouts all week, learn the dance, you'd practice it at home, you'd have it down. I wouldn't say you were good, but you knew the dance, right? Yeah. And then you would go to tryouts and they'd say, okay, one, two, three, four, everyone did the dance. And you would,

And they're like Stonewall Jackson just stand and not move. Just stare at them. And then I don't know if you remember, Sissy, but one time, like the third time, the third tryout. And they're all six months apart. This is going on forever. Okay? Remember the lady who was running it said, oh, it was like four of us trying out. Now I was just standing still.

And then she said, oh, honey, because you know it's like your English teacher or whatever. doing the auditions. And anyway, she said, do you want to try again? Do it yourself? And I said, okay. And so the other people sat down. She played the music again. And I just stood there and stared at her by myself.

And so. You're like, do you not see me trying out? I'm trying so hard right now. The trying. I'm always trying so hard. You didn't during those tryouts. Like one time Abby and I recently were at one of Amas, we were at her college that she's going to go to and the soccer people were soccering. This player was running up and down the field wearing this little machine thing.

And I said, Abby, what is that? And she said, it's a monitor that shows how hard her heart is beating. And I said, why does she have to wear that? And she said, because then they can see how basically how hard she's trying, how hard she's working. And I thought, if I could just have one of those, just want to wear one of those all the time. time when I'm just sitting at my desk. I'm like, oh my God, the world really knew how hard I was trying. I know I'm not moving, but I'm trying this so hard. Okay, so that's how I felt. The point is, you all, my father, who was always telling us we can do whatever we want, girls can do anything,

you can do anything, do the thing. After either the fourth or fifth time, when he drove me home, He said something like, Glennon, I know I've told you that you can do anything, but I need to amend it. I have led you astray. You can't do this. This must stop. Please. It was like you are embarrassing the family. I cannot pick you up here anymore.

The point is, this is my past. So the second we get into this room with Dana, she doesn't say one, two, three, four, but she does start doing things very quickly. It feels scary to me. I feel panicky. I feel like I'm not going to be able to do it. There's lots of mirrors so everyone can see if you're not doing it, right? And something about the forced vulnerability of it. I mean, we only had three sessions. Two. Okay. It felt like better than therapy for some reason. Like couples therapy or individual therapy? Couples therapy. Yeah, it's true. Why do you think that it was like that? Well, in fact, early in the first session, she was just kind of walking us through some warmups and follower and leader drills.

Yeah. Which is also very sport specific too. But like in dancing, like you, one person leads and the other person follows. And throughout the first couple of, I would say like the first hour of the first session, it was very interesting how. And she even stopped us. And she said a lot of what might come up for you is actually happening inside of your relationship. And it's so true. One person often really prefers to lead and one person often really prefers to follow. But in the physical realm of dance in our marriage, it became very obvious that the normal dynamic that you're a leader in our family. I also am too in moments. But I would say that this was really interesting. because it was harder for you to follow. It was very hard.

Even in some of the drills, she was very tense. Like she wants to turn herself, but it fucks it all up because the pressure that you put on your hands is very important. And the person who is leading is actually forcing the person into the around. Somebody should make a show out of it. It's really interesting. It's like every moment of couples dancing, like sends you into a freaking rabbit hole of your entire relationship.

You know, they say that people, friends or. sisters or couple, whoever you want to be closer to, you should throw yourself into new experiences because that brings up a vulnerability that you don't have to access when you know what you're doing. I felt so uncool and like unsteady and ungood. I felt ungood, like, lost a lot of the time. And Abby is much more, has much more agency in her body. So. But, but. But, But it was flip-flop for the lyrics because I couldn't remember the lyrics to save my life. I couldn't do both things like lyrics and body stuff. Oh, interesting.

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things, oh, your body stuff is so natural for you. And so instead of her being mad at me for it, not being easy for me, she just was more gentle and patient and loving, which then gave me an opportunity to be like, why can't you remember these lyrics? Like, why is this so hard for you? Oh, okay. So then allowed me to be patient and loving. And like we each were like, oh, we're each good at a thing. How lucky that we're each good at a thing. I don't know if I'm explaining this right. you are. It's very interesting. And plus, it was sexy. Our intention for the dance was that it would be sexy. We said to the lady, hey, lady, we hired, make it sexy. Yeah. We felt like that was really important right now, actually. You know, that's just something that they're attempting to control

and scare us out of our sexuality and our desire and our love. And it felt like I really wanted that to be. And it was because when we practiced in front of our children prior to leaving to go to Mexico, we would get to the sexy parts and they would be like, ooh! One of the funniest moments, Abby kept going, how do you think you got here? I know. And one of the girls goes, well, through heterosexual sex. Not this way. Yeah, it like reawakened butterflies in a really cool way.

So we did end up performing come to my window. And I think it went pretty well, right? And then we didn't exactly nail. In my head, it looked some ways. And then I saw some of the pictures. And I was like, oh, that's how it looked. Like I, as usual, the vision did not exactly match the reality, which is all art. But it felt freeing and it felt like an offering to the people there who we love so much.

And I already can't wait till next year. It's just really special. Brandy also besides that night, she did a night called the Titans of Americana. and like on stage was Sean Colvin. My God, who Brandy used to tour with and she was young and Brandy Hero worships her and actually told us later that she did the entire concert to one person who was Sean Colvin because she just so spent her life wanting to make her proud. And then Brandy Clark was up there who's just such a freaking soulful songwriter and beautiful person.

And then Brandy Carlisle and then Tish was on the other side. It was just like this generational, unbelievable. You know, Brandy is such a shepherd. of incredible link between the past and the future to shepherd both ways and together. And it was just like a crystallized moment of that. We did a screening of Come See Me in the Good Light. Meg Falley was with us the whole weekend, which may have been the most magical part of the whole thing. Did she do her song?

If you've seen Come See Me in the Good Light, being part of that film, which really just meant being part of this little family of friends who got together to make it was one of the most creatively fulfilling and relationally fulfilling experiences of our lives. Because, you know, Brandy and Kath became involved with the film and they helped executive produce and they helped with the song, the original song with Sarah Borrellas and that Andrea wrote with them. Brandy and Kath just really made Meg really the center of this weekend in many ways. If you've seen the film, you know that in the beginning there's this incredible scene where Meg and Andrea are, for lack of a better word, they're singing still.

the one to each other. Still the One by Shania Twain is the song that was playing when Meg proposed to Andrea. It's an incredibly important song to them and an incredibly important part of the film. And at that 90s night, Meg and Brandy sang Still the One on stage with images of Andrea and Meg on the screens around them. For everyone listening, I hope that there will be a moment where you can see Brandy and Meg singing this song because... And Megan Falley has a good voice. She does. She has a beautiful voice.

She carried that song so well. And you just were watching Brandy hold Meg with her eyes. I mean, that's what Brandy does. She just like, I've got you no matter who you are. And she does. And she just doesn't drop you. It's very unbelievable. The entire place was just odd.

It was just a heavenly brave. Odd, A-W-E, not O-D-D. No. The crowd's all. odd too. That's why we like them. It sounded like you could, yeah, you could have heard odd, but it's odd. Yeah, it's just really special and felt very not separate from everything that's going on in the world. Very crucial to it somehow. Just the gathering and the community and the music, you know, those are the things that are trying to be stamped out is just joy and

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I mean, it's really, really beautiful. And I think that that might be one of the very most specific reasons why Brandy and Kath are like when we thank them, like, thank you for having us. It almost feels like it's harder for them to receive it because they're like, this is just what I dreamed up. Like, this is just a dream. You know what I mean? And it's like so cool.

I just think Brandy has this abundance of space to dream up. up a more beautiful world. They both spend their lives trying to honestly bring heaven to earth in many ways. And I just think it's so beautiful. And there's no hierarchy. I think that's such an interesting thing. Like they, you know, it's Sam Smith and the new 17 year old who's trying to break out. There's no different treatment of anyone. It's hard to explain, but it feels special. And also, I always just want to make sure that everyone's talking about Catherine just as much as Brandy, because Catherine just her spirit and her work and her attention to detail and her wide open her leadership.

She's such a leader. Yeah. So that's it. That's girls just want to. And maybe when we post this or do whatever we do with these things, we'll list all the, lots of the artists that were there, the new ones, because it's a beautiful place to I want to get a full video of our dance. I know.

I wonder if anyone has that. I don't think they do. You guys, can I tell you a secret about what happened to me? So because I have like, what's the word? Lyrics fear? Lyrics. Fobia. I was like practicing for the, for weeks.

You guys like, I was like, I know that this sounds crazy because I do know the song. But truly I was like, I had specific lines that I was singing. And mine was the very first. Like right now I couldn't You didn't want to pull a Glenn and Julie Yeah exactly right now I couldn't tell you what my line is Because I would dial the numbers just to listen to you I would dial the numbers just to listen to your breath

And we had to start on separate sides of the stage And I had to walk up and sing my line And so I couldn't ask Glennon What's my what's my first line? And I was like oh fuck And there's like a prelude of music like an intro of music And so then I stepped on the stage and I was like oh my God, I have forgotten the very first line of the song.

This is going to be terrible. And I, like, look down and there's a teleprompter with the lyric. And I was like, I've dialed all the numbers just to listen to your breath. Kingdom of God is like a teleprompter. For me. Right before I went out, you know, Sista Strings is like, if you guys don't know Sista Strings, please, please look up these women. They were together, came up to me and said, right before I went out and said, whatever happens out there, we are so proud of you for trying.

Aww. And I thought, to those who know me, that is all I ask. I'm going out. Just be proud I tried. They saw it sound check what was happening. So they were like, ooh, I don't know if they're going to pull this off. Ooh. I actually went over to.

They're so good looking. I went over to them and I said, um, I don't know if you guys are supposed to be singing on this, but we could use your help. Please sing. And they were like, I don't think we are. And I said, okay, great. Please do. Then that's fine.

Just do whatever year we're going to do. It's fine. And I think they probably helped us out. I don't know. I have to see the video. It was so fun. And this is also to encourage anybody out there who is feeling like they could inject a little bit of fun and play into their marriage. Get a dance class with your partner.

Or like YouTube video. or something. I mean, truly, it's like, it's just a way of getting all of your issues out of your head and into your bodies where you can see them or something. It's so fun, though, to, like, go do something completely novel. And maybe it's not dance. Maybe it's taking an art class. Maybe it's, I don't know. But, like, this has really helped us in, in, like, our intimacy and our connectivity and feeling connected. Because, like, we both took time out of our days to go do this thing. And there was like touching and there was kissing and like things that like actually help connect you and there was a lifts and there was you had to trust me that I wasn't going to drop you on your head because

there was a kind of a tricky lift at the end I know we were driving home one of the nights very late later than we're usually out 945 yeah I remember we were in the car that was so crazy that was crazy that's how they do it in the biz yeah that was cheap studio time double double digit time commitment. The cheapest time for a studio. And I remember looking at you and being like, you looked really sexy. And you were like, so did you. And then we didn't talk for an hour.

We're like embarrassed. You're like, ooh, that was too much. Yeah. Wow. Oh. Oh, God. All right. Anyway, thank you.

Thank you for listening. And we love you. And is there anything else we can say before we let these poor people go? I think you've done it. Okay. All right, go dance. We love you. Bye. We Can Do Hard Things is an independent production podcast brought to you by Treat Media. Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay human.

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