We Hate Movies - MELR0210 #26 - Melrose Place "Dreams Come True"

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

We roll into the weekend with one more MELR0210 episode, this time talking about the Melrose Place episode, "Dreams Come True!" Originally airing October 28th, 1992, this episode features Allison real...ly getting confused over her affair with Keith, Billy standing up for Allison, Sandy getting a big role on a soap and leaving forever, Jake shrugging his shoulders over Sandy leaving, Rhonda celebrating Sandy's exit, Michael and Jane doing nothing, and Matt being assaulted for being gay, a plot point the show doesn't give enough air time. PLUS: Keith and Allison adopt middle-aged Dennis Farina! WHM is donating 100% of our 2020 merch income to causes fighting for racial justice. For more information on how you can pitch in, head over to our website. MELR0210 is a new show we put together to help you pass the time during this more-than-necessary social distancing period. New episodes will air Mondays and Thursdays, right here on the main feed! So stay home, tune in, and yearn for the more innocent and sexy time of the 1990s! Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is a headgum podcast. Hello and welcome to yet another Melro 210, a quarantine side show where we ask you against the United States wishes to remain indoors. But put on your sunscreen because we're allowed to have a little bit of fun inside here. This is on Mondays we talk about Beverly L. 902 and O. But of course on Thursdays, we talk about Melrose Place. And I'm joined with some good dudes from different neighborhoods, Christopher Cabin. Oh, hi, hoi. Eric Siska.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Howdy partner? And Andrew Jupin. Yo! That's what we wanted to hear. This is Dreams Do Come True, an awkward title for an episode. containing a gay bashing but hey sure uh original air date october the 28th 1992 there's a lot going on in this episode you see i can i could i know why they called it that but like the matt storyline cloaks everything like it just edges everything out
Starting point is 00:01:48 out the room yeah it needs to be the a story and it's not and you know like props to the show for like having part of an episode address this but like I'm sorry, this is the main event. Yep, if you're having a fucking hate crime on your show, it's the main event. It's not the afterthought, especially when the main event is fucking Allison and Keith fucking jerking around still. Who cares about Keith?
Starting point is 00:02:12 Who cares the fuck about Keith when this fucking game action's happening? Well, I'll tell you who doesn't Allison certainly cares about Keith. I'll let you know that, God damn it. You need to take a break from Billy and everything, if you have that in your episode. You're right. It should be the A story, but it should be the only story. Exactly. Well, also, the funny thing, this episode is not only an episode where Matt, where a character gets g-bashed, a hit crime against him.
Starting point is 00:02:36 It's also the end of another character's entire arc. And they're just like, but I don't know, Allison and Keith might be into each other. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? They must have hated Amy Locaine so bad. Dude, this is a fucking, we don't even care if the door hits you in the ass on the way out. It is a humiliating ending for this character. Wow. I kind of love it. but she's successful she's successful no i mean yes she's the one whose dream comes true i guess if anything so congratulations c storyline it's amazing that it's like she made it she's gone forever and will never be paid by us again that's that's like it's incredible it's weird though and i mean i guess it's funny to talk about this now because it is just like so little in the episode but like her exit like the way that they're talking about it in those last few lines at
Starting point is 00:03:28 shooters, they're like, they're like celebrating someone, like a prisoner getting out of purgatory. It's like, she made it, she crossed over, she's free of Melrose's place. So yeah, this episode is all over the place.
Starting point is 00:03:43 I guess we'll just kind of sort of go through it chronologically, because all these stories kind of mishmashed together. You go, Eric. I got a quick question, just the whole ending of Sally. Now, does she ever return as like a guest spot? I mean, because if you're friends with someone and they're still alive presumably. Yeah, I don't know about any like, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:05 passing lines of dialogue like, oh, Sandy, so and so. I do know that she's not on this show ever again. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. She dreams to do come true is the end of her character. That she's in Airheads and two years later. So there you go. Is she, uh, is, does Jake make it through all these seasons, Andrew? Uh, I'm pretty sure not all the way, but he's, there like right up till it's almost over. Because I could see somebody like, and then I heard about a girl named Sandy.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Sandy. That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Oh, definitely. Yeah, we also, by the way, speaking of Sandy, she's out of the theme song. This has got to be some DVD rights fuckery because it's one thing,
Starting point is 00:04:51 she's out of the credit. She's replaced by Billy reading a book as we discussed last week. Which I finally saw this week and that is hilarious. he is. Oh, did someone call my name? Sorry, I was just so engrossed in this book I was reading. He's doing it in the front of a store shop. Yes. In the like way you would get into the store. That's where he decides to read this fucking mongrel. He also likes blocking emergency exits. Yeah, definitely does. It's the best place to read, Alathon. So yeah, so but he's like, but the weird thing is they don't and you know, we'll do the C story. Well, Here's what we're going to do the C story, A story, and what should have been the A story.
Starting point is 00:05:32 That's how that's going to go. We'll do Matt last. Sandy first, Allison second. But the funny thing is, like, she, what I'm saying is fuckery is because she's out of the credits. And it's not even when the episode starts and guest starring Amy LoCain. So, like, something must have happened between the syndication rights and the whatever rights. She's just out of these episodes in credit, which is kind of weird. It is strange.
Starting point is 00:05:56 And like the, this is the whole thing. She is at Shooters talking to a Muppet with this long hair. This guy looks terrible. And he's like, you know, I could get you on what is, what is the name tomorrow and Forever and Tomorrow? Forever and Tomorrow. That's it. Great title.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Oh, yeah. Oh, the Soap's title. Yes. Yes. He claims to be a casting director and he's just like, you know, I'm a casting director. I'm watching you all night. Yeah. Dude, you got to fucking come packing business cards, man.
Starting point is 00:06:28 You just can't be thrown out in LA. Yeah, I'm a casting director. If you're a legit, dude, yeah, you got to be like, hey, listen, I know this sounds super scummy, but I really think you've got something. Exactly, here's my card. You may have heard, I rep these people who have all gone on to other things. Give me a call if you want to get serious. As opposed to like, you're so beautiful.
Starting point is 00:06:48 You should, you're an actress. I could tell. I can tell. You're making him too imposing. This guy's Caucasian Kermit. like he's very floppy he's got this hair that you just want to cry at yeah and so she you know she serves him it's like well that guys must be full of beans y'all and then the next thing you know
Starting point is 00:07:12 she's on the again she's barely in this episode it's her and ronda on the couch is like i got an audition for forever and tomorrow there's they're flying me out to new york city don't worry, you're not going to fly out with me TV show. It's going to happen between the scenes. Ooh, child, they have me reading for the part of Dr. Aviva Lester. Ooh, that's right. Sounds a little
Starting point is 00:07:35 ethnic, y'all hope I can pull it off. Did she actually say that guy's full of beans? No, I meant to make that. I love that, though. Like, oh, child, that guy's like a can on a hobo's fire. That's full of beans. But it's really funny because
Starting point is 00:07:51 like he's I mean like she like again if this is her ending and you want to give the character any credit you go with her to the audition maybe and like it's like you see what the show is all it is like a lot of like cheap pot shots at daytime soap operas which we love in the 90s but it's also like so fucking
Starting point is 00:08:12 it's so ironic in this instance if only because when they're watching it at the end specifically and they're like you know like home you know they're basically talking about like how crazy and off the rails the show is and I'm like, hey guys give yourselves like another year and then come back and
Starting point is 00:08:29 look at the mirror and you are you know, you have become forever and tomorrow just at nighttime. The funniest thing about this whole situation is the actress that both Rhonda and Sandy are like oh I should be the next blank
Starting point is 00:08:45 the name is Kim Saint Amor. That is the name of the character in the soap opera but they're acting like it's the actual actress oh i thought that was the name of the actress like oh sorry y'all i accidentally audition for a porno that's what i'm saying oh well yeah it's oh she she went the other way she did legitimate acting first and then did pornography that's the trajectory i want my career to go y'all oh i'm going to change my name to cindy slaps Cindy slapped
Starting point is 00:09:18 Oh, that's a Cindy, it's S-I-N, those three are all capitals, and then lower-case D-E E. So, like, Ron, it's like, wow, that's so amazing for you, Sandy, and it's not even like, I'm going to miss
Starting point is 00:09:34 you, or like, oh, my God, if you, like, because again, if this is a real character, it's like, oh, my God, if she gets that thing, she's going to leave Melrose's place, what are we going to do? You know what I mean? Like, yeah. She just kind of, like, goes on this audition she gets it off screen and then like the last you
Starting point is 00:09:50 hear like Rhonda gets the news and she's like guys she got the part and like there is a moment of Jake being like I don't know how to feel about that well that's enough of that I do love Rhonda when she finds I think it's like Jake and Matt maybe first or something
Starting point is 00:10:06 whoever she sees first she's like she runs up and goes Sandy made it she's gone and it's like you can just you know I'm sure you hear stories and whatever about
Starting point is 00:10:22 yada yada people being difficult on on sets and whatever and even from an interview I read with Amy LoCaine she says that she was like a very new you know newfound fame kind of like Sandy's character becomes when she made that horror film sort of so like there's you know there's you know
Starting point is 00:10:38 things floating out there but you can like barely you can barely tell that they're not super excited you know what I mean like they're all doing such a bad job at like having the senioritis like oh fuck it's my last scene with Amy Locaine finally
Starting point is 00:10:54 she's gone oh she's gone they're all they're all acting like they're like making an excuse of like the dog dying or like they're like oh he she went up to a farm upstate and I'm like just get out over it just have a scene with her I'm surprised
Starting point is 00:11:10 that none of these characters are trying to like dissuade her from pursuing this audition or her dreams because the way Rhonda was like, yeah, I could have been a dancer, but I said, no, my place is here at Melrose Place. Yeah, I guess Rhonda does not feel that Sandy
Starting point is 00:11:26 has put down the same roots. It's all a good excuse for having sacrificed her to Malachi throne. Yes, that's it. That is a, what we see in the next and last scene of her is actually
Starting point is 00:11:42 footage from like a stay tuned-esque hell dimension that Malachi throne runs and it has its own soap opera called Forever in Tomorrow. Yeah. Makes sense. I do love that you get to see a little bit of this shitty soap opera though. And of course, it's like someone getting bandages off their face and there's, uh, uh, memory loss and everything. Yeah, the line is like, like, what was her name of Avid? God damn. It's not even a real name. Is it Aviva? Aviva Lester, yeah. Aviva. It's me. Booth. I don't know. Booth. And wait, I don't know who I am, y'all. There's an explanation that, like, she was injected with some drug that gives people amnesia.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Or, like, destroys the memory center of your brain or something. It's such a soap opera line. It's fucking hilarious. By the way, in quarantine, give me that drug. Absolutely. Yes. I'll take it. If we could do the, oh, the, what's it there?
Starting point is 00:12:42 The Jim Carrey movie. where Tom Wilkinson's erasing your memory Eternal Sunshine Yeah if I could do that for the quarantine I was like liar liar Is Tom Wilkinson and liar No he's not Liar liar are we talking about the president over here
Starting point is 00:12:58 Oh Yes man But like literally so that's it And then there's this great line My favorite line of the episode is Jake Because everyone's watching and like wow She made it She's never coming back
Starting point is 00:13:13 And Jake just goes I'll miss her Like who are you trying to convince there buddy Well this is the one that got away for the riverboat strangler That's true Oh I'm gonna have to take a steamship to New York You know it's so weird That all the girls that those riverboat strangler is killing
Starting point is 00:13:33 Look like that Aviva from that show Guys guys Jake takes Manhattan Oh there you go Oh just confirming by the way to Steve, your question a while ago, we have five out of seven seasons with the riverboat strangler.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Oh, okay. Grant Show leaves Melrose Place at the end of season five. That sounds about right. So yeah, I mean, that's that's it. That's a wrap on Sandy, everybody. Yep. Yeah. Adios. It's a useless. It's so amazing that, I mean, it must, like you said, Andrew, alluded to,
Starting point is 00:14:08 it must have been so bad between her and the writers, her and the staff, her and the cast. They want her the fuck out of here. I'm just shocked they didn't, They even gave like it was like they must have had like one more episode on her contract and they decided to write her off as opposed to doing the thing where it's just like oh Sandy moved she got a big oh wow she she booked the big movie or just also never talk about her again well that's the thing like there's there's three ways to leave a television show three ways yeah one is what Steve just said where it's it's like the the Chuck Cunningham syndrome they call it you know like you go upstairs and then your characters just never mention. again. Like you're completely written off and never talking about. They had, there was a sister on the show Boy Meets World that that also happened to, like
Starting point is 00:14:51 kind of hilarious. Family matters did that as well, Josie, Joe D, I believe, goes away for a long, long time. She might come back, but it's weird. The middle sister? Yes, the middle sister. I think she's gone for good unless they cast someone else to play her later. But anyway, so that's one way to do it. The other way is what happens with Sandy here, where it's like,
Starting point is 00:15:08 oh, you know, you've followed your dreams and they get like kind of a happy ending. And then the other way, which I guess Melrose plays didn't really figure out that they could do with their characters just yet is a horrible death. Yeah. Like, it's really surprising that, oh, y'all, I was driving on dead man's curve
Starting point is 00:15:23 and I lost control. You know, there's like none of that, which I have to say they must have been holding back. It's me from the afterlife, y'all. I was about to ask that, Chris. What is this, a ghost talking? Yeah, that's a good point. No, I broadcasted my own death
Starting point is 00:15:38 while I was on the phone with a radio station or something. Just like Palpatine. somehow Sandy has returned Oh fuck So she was like a terror on the set There was any like Was there any like fun backstage reports about that Like what her horrible antics were
Starting point is 00:15:55 Not really There is an article that I read I think in Rolling Stone There was an interview with her Years and years later She's had a lot of personal troubles more recently But one of the things she talks about Is that she was just very young
Starting point is 00:16:07 In Hollywood Merrill's place was like her first thing And she just admits to essentially not acting as professionally as she should. So I don't know what that means. Man, Kenneth Onger missed out for not writing a backstage like tell all about Melrose's place.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Beverly Hills 90210. Big TV Babylon. Instead of Hollywood Babylon. I almost want like Kenneth Anger to do one of these shows. Maybe, I mean, it would have had to have been on like an X-rated channel that didn't exist yet. The only show
Starting point is 00:16:40 he could have done is Hannibal. So whatever. Like that's the end of her. We cut to what is the A storyline, which should not be the A storyline, which is how we begin the episode, which is Allison and Keith. They're having like manhunter sex in his beach house. You know what I mean? Like the windows are all open.
Starting point is 00:17:00 The waves are crashing into them practically. And I kind of imagine that's like 60 to 70% why Allison is into the strippy dude, right? Like it's just like, it's the house. Come on. It's the house. Absolutely. If I can have intercourse, you know, right next to the beach like that, you know, everything else kind of matters a little less. That's a full grade up. If you're a C plus, you become a B plus real quick if you live on the shore like that.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Yes, absolutely. Class matters, folks. And, you know, like, it's her continuing from last week about like, she's just shirking all over the responsibilities. And like, she's like, I'm going to be late for work. And he's like, who cares? And she's like, I can. kind of do. She tells him to go help a porpoise at this point. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's so dumb that like, you know, last week, the episode addressed it. Like, she kept fucking up at work. And then it was like, okay,
Starting point is 00:17:55 I have this handled. I know that I'm fucking up at work. And I'm not going to do it anymore. And just to have another episode where she's just doing exactly that. Like, come on. And it's, and so like, she's like, oh, you know, Keith, I got to go. I have to like, I have to like, I have to like,
Starting point is 00:18:11 make my face, I have to show my face at my apartment tonight, you know, just kind of hang out there. And he's like, well, I could come to your apartment or I could just hang out with you there. And she's like, well, you know, actually, maybe you'll meet all my friends at Shooters. Like, hey, awesome. Shooters, is that near your apartment or what? Because like I said, before, I could go to your apartment. And then as soon as I was done with that sentence, you asked me to go to a place called Shooters, leads me to believe you don't want me to know where you live.
Starting point is 00:18:39 So is that like a place where you can drink a beer and, like, do, you know, shoot at a target from a far away? Because I've been wanting to find a place like that for a while now. Chief walks in with a rifle. Oh, wrong. I totally got this wrong. My mistake. Oh, sorry. It's a really dumb name for a bar that has two pool tables.
Starting point is 00:19:00 So this isn't a B-Y-O-B shooting range. That's interesting. What I'm really confused by is Billy being so mad that she's gone all the. the time. It's like, dude, you're getting a full apartment for half rent. Because I think the deal is, dude, like, Billy has quickly realized that he's not an adult and
Starting point is 00:19:19 will die without being in the care of another person. Yes. The man is eating cans of fucking cake frosting, okay? Alton, if you're not here, I don't know how to convert food into energy, okay? Oh, like a plant doesn't all that?
Starting point is 00:19:35 Allison, do I have to get out in the sun when I'm eating? I have no idea how to do that. It is ridiculous that you are not home to help me. Allison, I spent all by eating books. Apparently you can't do that. Hey, Allison, I thought if I ate a book, I'd absorb of the knowledge that's inside it. Turned out I just threw up in a diarrhea.
Starting point is 00:19:55 The Bible's no good. I still don't get the unbearable likeness of being, Allison. But yeah, she like comes back to get, like, ready for work at her apartment. and Billy is giving her guff. And to Eric's point, yeah, like, my first apartment outside of, like, living at home, like, my roommate had a girlfriend and was gone all the time. I was like, fuck an A.
Starting point is 00:20:17 You know what I mean? Like, that's what you want? In an actual platonic living situation, you don't want your roommate to be there all the time. Of course not, dude, but you also know things like dressing yourself, cooking food for yourself to eat. TV and air conditioner repair. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:20:33 How to mostly hold down a job. You know, all of these things. things that functioning adults should have with them to live on their own. And really, I think it's just a wake-up call that Billy needs to be living back with Malachi throne. Was I the only one who flashed to death becomes her when
Starting point is 00:20:49 Goldie Hawn is like housing those cartons of frosting? I haven't seen that movie in forever. Same here, dude. I've not rewatched that movie. I remember, is that Barry Levinson? No, I think it's Semeckis. I think it's a Bobby Zee movie. I remember not liking it when I saw it, but I was a stupid kid and I've just never gone back to it.
Starting point is 00:21:08 I know a lot of people like it. I remember liking it, but I haven't. I've seen it a few times, but I haven't seen it since like 2000. I just remember Bruce Willis' fucking awesome death in that movie. It is a, it is Bob, Bob Zemeckis. Oh, there you go. He's got a great mustache in that movie, too.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Yeah, Bruce Wilson does. He looks like a tough Michael Jeter in that film. Yes, that's exactly right. It's like Michael Jeter gets like a super serum like Captain America. Because Bruce Willis It's exactly true So he's just You know
Starting point is 00:21:43 He's just kind of relaying the event Like so what's going on You're going to this date That's married guy And she's like Billy I don't have time Oh my God She is so Annoying in this episode
Starting point is 00:21:52 Can I just say that out loud Because it's like It is like And also she's like Way too cavalier This information That she's dating a married guy It's not something everybody needs to know
Starting point is 00:22:02 No and she's so bad At like hiding stuff too that like when she's at shooters, you know, they're hanging and it's like Rhonda and Jane. Sandy is there also. It is again, though, man, poor Amy Locaine. The way they block this, Sandy's like way in the back being like, yeah, exactly. Trying to participate in the conversation. But like the three of them are like, oh, he's married, isn't he? Oh, great. And they like immediately pick up on it. Sandy in this scene is like that, in that, that, uh, bit from Flaming Moes where it's like, you just lost yourself a customer. What? You just lost you. Yeah, you can use it. She's shouting over four extras to participate in the conversation.
Starting point is 00:22:50 They just did this switch from her being like very responsible and like very thoughtful to being a complete idiot way too quick. Exactly. And they, you're all, you're blaming it all on this like, C grade L.L. Bean catalog guy who fucking romances are near the beach. It just doesn't make any sense. Like this, I mean, for this to happen, you know, one, this guy has to be like a hunk. And he's also got to be having a cooler job than volunteer oceanographer guy. Like, it has to all be this beach house because why else are you throwing yourself away for a guy that looks like the stunt double of the dude who played the neighbor in the Truman show?
Starting point is 00:23:32 Absolutely. Noah, whatever his name is. Noah Emrick. Stig slam on Noah Emmerich. And, you know, I love Noah Emerick, but his stunt doubles just a real dull looking saltine cracker eating, motherfucker. Was that the guy in the Americans? Yeah, totally. He's a great actor.
Starting point is 00:23:48 His stunt double sucks. So, but yeah, she's like, so yeah. And like, you know, Rhonda, of course, is being way too nosy. And she's like, so what kind of underwear does you wear? Get the fuck out of here, Rhonda, with that comment. I could not believe it. like now my boyfriend at the time
Starting point is 00:24:04 so just you back off you know what I mean like yeah this fucking underwear discussion is very weird because it's like boxers or bikinis and as bikinis mean tidy whitties I suppose no dude the bikini underwear is different that you're talking banana hammock
Starting point is 00:24:20 wait so there's only two options so wouldn't there be three options well you got jockeys you got boxers you got the banana hammock and that's apparently what we have to know Keith wears now I don't think science a lot I don't think science invented boxer briefs yet. I think we figured that out in the lab yet.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Yeah, 92 was, I thought, well, I totally forgot about the banana hammocks, but then there's tidy whitties and boxers. But they are specifically asking over and over again if it's boxers or bikinis. It's weird. Boxer briefs then, I really think, really hit to like 2003. 20003. I think that's when it became popular. That's what Dr.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Marrow invented them. He was on island. All these different underwear together. I'm going to splice these two together. Oh, crap. These underwear are flying. We got to get them. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:25:12 They're flying again. But, like, and like, you know, they're having a, what could be considered a fun conversation. And then Allison's like, yeah, he's perfect except. And, like, this guy is on his way. You know what I mean? Like, you don't need to tell these people, A, and ever, or be right this second. Because it's going to, it's going to be exactly what it is. like he's just kind of married and jane is like well that sucks you know what i mean
Starting point is 00:25:35 and ronda is just like well that's kind of gross and she's like oh go stay out of it you guys like what are you supposed to you want a fucking a round of applause for fucking a married guy and there's like like well i mean they're long separated right well no not really oh the room gets like like more and then she's like his marriage is dead okay yeah and they're not buying it they've heard it all before. Ronda calls him a bastard under her breath at one point. And he is
Starting point is 00:26:06 and he just shows up, he's like, hey ladies, who's for pool? And everyone's like, ew, it's Keith. Ew, Keith, gross. It's Keith. And she's like, I don't feel like playing pool. Let's go, Keith. And he's like, well, okay. And they leave. And it's kind of amazing because they go all
Starting point is 00:26:24 the way back to Keith's Beach House. And then Allison's like, yeah, I think I'm just going to go home. I'm like, you were fucking steps away from your house. When you leave shooters be like, hey Keith, I have a headache. I just want to go to bed. I'll see you tomorrow. As opposed to driving to his beach house and then telling them we're going to go home.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Or if you want to sleep with him, just be like, hey man, my fucking apartment's like two blocks away. You know? And this, I think, proves it that the beach house really has something to do with it. It's the Manhunter sex, dude. It's the dimly lit, you know, the Michael man's synth is going
Starting point is 00:26:56 and the waves are crashing. See, yeah, I'm more of the mind that he's a warlock. Okay. This is more of like a hypnotized situation. Allison has completely like abandoned everything that made Allison Allison before this.
Starting point is 00:27:10 That's true. And I'm just like, oh, actually, shit, you know what I'm thinking of? We never, we never let this cross our mind. Huge dog. Yes. Yeah. Keith could be packing heat. Warlocks. Warlocks are famously hung.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Is that true? Yeah. Oh. Julian Sands told me so. spell for it. Yeah. Well, Julian Sands, dude, that dude walks around. Big Dick Energy. Oh, yeah. I mean, Jesus Christ. Keith could have a big whale down there. Manhunter sex, by the way, is, it's slightly better than this
Starting point is 00:27:45 because every once in a while, Dennis Farina's just sitting at the foot of the bed. Hey, hey there, want to talk on the beach? I'd rather have Manhunter sex than Mind Hunter sex. I'm sure that's much more disturbing. Yeah, we got this fucking killer up in Chicago. You know, you remind me William Peterson. God damn, I love him.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Yeah, you're going to have to come back on the job there, Jack. No, but so whatever. This beach house is good for fucking, isn't it? Can you get a Chicago dog around here? You know what? Never mind. I brought my own pickles and peppers and whatnot. It's all in the bag.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Just get me a dog. dog. I'll take care of the rest. Hey, I just, I don't want to upset you folks, but you might want to close a curtain or two because there's a bunch of hobos jerk it off on the beach. It's after hours. They live out there, you know, by the tide. I shoot them all off this time because I also happen to be out there jacking it. But, you know, next time I might not be around to save you. That's what this Wonderbread here is for is you throw this in the water and they go after it. Tom Lennon's out there too, by the way. Look out. That's right Tom Noonan's on the loose
Starting point is 00:29:01 Hey I invented a new fucking thing called blinds All right Yeah hey I'm your next door neighbor Just uh I want to tell you that I am not particularly a door to door blind salesman But if I were I'd be knocking on this dang door every darn day I got a five year old daughter who knows more about sex than I do at this point By the way Keith Nice dick
Starting point is 00:29:24 So that none of that happened But they do wind up making out and, like, you know, she succumbs to the power of Keith. And then the next day... The power of Keith compelled her, dude. She goes back to work and the fucking Penske file is due or some horseshit. Oh, I'm sorry, Steve. I think you mean the skateboard file? I forgot.
Starting point is 00:29:47 It's like, also, why is Allison even taking this shit home? Exactly. The skateboard file. Because, like, Billy comes in, he's like, here, I thought I got the thing. Then you're asked for, and she's like, oh, Billy, good, the skateboard file. But as we find out, there are skateboard files. There's multiple. And therefore, some company called, like, maximum overdrive.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Allison, do you have that report on Ali's that I needed, Allison? What is our new kickflip proposal? I love the Billy thing when he's just like, well, I didn't know you. I got to work, too. I have Keith going to get him for you. well he's kind of right yeah he is kind of right here i i'm billy somehow in this episode is mostly right which is shocking the only thing that's really wrong about billy in this episode is his dress which you know we can touch on when we see it but there are some billy costuming choices here that i'm like
Starting point is 00:30:45 god damn you are just dressing him to look like a little rascal well like in this scene it's what like a purple t-shirt tucked into like burnt orange jeans yeah it's not good and so like yeah her boss comes over Lucy is this character we've seen a bunch and she's like well Allison I need the skateboard to end the Ollie file and she's like sorry and her boss rightfully like fucking
Starting point is 00:31:09 blows up at her here she's like you know you are fucking this close from losing your job and she's like can I talk to you and she's like fucking fine and she's like I'm dating someone and he's like yeah I don't give a shit he must be great and she's like he's kind of married like you don't need to tell
Starting point is 00:31:25 your boss you're fucking a married guy have a little bit of shame that's the thing is like she starts this all up with like keep this up and you better start looking for another job and then immediately like remembers the plot of last week's episode and it's like oh he must be some hell of a guy yeah and then what prompts alison is then this boss is like get married you're killing us at the office well maybe just get engaged why don't you fucking do something you're messing us all up here and then she's like well ooh the problem about that and that's when the boss has to be like i don't care yeah Just stop messing up at work. And instead she's like, one problem about getting married is that he already did that. Oops. That's none of my business. Yep. Thanks for dragging me into it now.
Starting point is 00:32:08 You still need to do your job. You can fuck all the married guys you want. I don't want to know about it, but you have to do your fucking job. You're going to start telling me when you're going to take a shit too? I don't need to know this. Go work at the fuck in the front of the office. So at this point, like, I guess she goes back to Keats and they're like, they're about to have this big pasta dinner, which I love, this big pot of sauces
Starting point is 00:32:29 is cooking and she finally gets the courage to ask him like, Keith, can you tell me what dead means? Like, what is the dead marriage exactly? He's like, uh, dead is dead. Dead is better. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:44 I don't know. I just, the dead don't die, Allison, that's what you want to say? I don't really know here. Dead by Don, that's you. No, I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. It's just It's sort of a thing
Starting point is 00:32:59 She's like What does that mean? Well See what happened Was I called her And then she never called me back So I assume the marriage is over What she did is she
Starting point is 00:33:10 Bought me a lovely A lovely birthday Present I told her I loved her so much And then I miss her so much on the phone And I love you now Alison The thing is
Starting point is 00:33:23 I have what doctors would say is a lot of love to give I mean like the whole thing with this his wife calling and him answering it and like blowing Allison off at this book
Starting point is 00:33:39 part like if your marriage is really on the rocks who gives a fuck if you hang up on your wife exactly or a ghost her for a bit the thing is well no I think Eric you hit it a little more safely you answer and then it's like not right now pretend
Starting point is 00:33:55 it's a wrong number, whatever, hang up the phone. Prank calling. Because the problem is, you know, this is 1992. That's a answering machine that's getting that call. And then it's like, Keith, you son of a bitch with your huge cock. Why don't you call me back? I hate you. I'm your wife still.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Bye. So he picks out, but he's like, oh, hello. Lydia, I can't. Allison, I'm going to have to take this in the bedroom. Why, yes, Mr. President. But he's doing the thing where he's got his hand over the receiver. And, like, Allison is like, I'm so stupid. This relationship's never going to work.
Starting point is 00:34:28 And his wife has to be like, I can hear all of this. Yep. Who is that you were talking to? Keith's like, no, no, it's important. I got to talk to my wife, Lily, okay? Like, she wants visitation rights over Dennis Farina. So we've got to work this out. Hey, Keith, I'm, you know, I'm not complaining about watching you have intercourse with
Starting point is 00:34:46 your new lady. But I'm just saying, Lily and I are friends too. So we've got to be adults about this. this. Lily gets me Wednesdays and Sundays and I live with you and the rest of the time. Okay. She gets the Italian beef and you get the deep dish. How about that?
Starting point is 00:35:04 Oh, geez, you know what? Let me scrap that because I know I'm going to be able to watch the bears if I'm with Keith. So I'll let Keith take to Sundays. You can have every other Friday. I don't eat meat on Friday, by the way. So we're going to have to have fish.
Starting point is 00:35:19 I'm just picturing Dennis Farina with like a gigantic backpack. Like as if he's a child. Ah, geez, you know, Lily was supposed to pick me up from soccer practice. That didn't happen. Keith, you were supposed to pack my lunch, and you know how I like ham on rye. You can't buy me some liver worst?
Starting point is 00:35:41 Ah, geez, the crust ain't even cut off. Keith, this whole thing's falling apart here. Hell, you know what, Keith? I knew we were going to run into problems here, and I don't want to make a big deal out of it or nothing, but I'm just going to say, last Saturday was your day and you were supposed to teach me how to cook a hot dog
Starting point is 00:35:56 with two wires held together I'm missing these important moments in our relationship we're supposed to make a couple of exterminated dogs exterminated dogs I wish this whole scene between when Allison storms off is punctuated by a very pointed sauce shot
Starting point is 00:36:15 the sauce is boiling over and you give me it Allison walks out. He's in the other room, and I'm just imagining Keith would have been consumed in something of pasta fire. The great pasta fire of 92.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Or there's some like sea algae that falls into it and then it turns into like some sort of like sea creature, like the blob maybe and like starts attacking Keith. Absolutely. The Italian blob. It consumes that everything.
Starting point is 00:36:49 I think that was a joke on the old Johnny Carson Tonight Show when Dom DeLuese guest starts. Come on, Sally. It's just a big meatball. Come take a bite. So whatever. You know, she then goes out to lunch with her boss. Her boss, by the way, this woman is a fucking saint.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Because not just firing this woman, Alison, her poor performance is just like, listen. You know, again, I see a lot of myself. There's no other woman in this office, apparently. that I can mentor so I have to mentor this fucking garbage fire I spent my 20s dating this guy who had a wife and every weekend he was going to leave his wife and yada yada yada yada
Starting point is 00:37:29 haven't you heard any of this before and she's like wow that's a lot to think about oh oh oh wow and then like she decides to break up with Keith and meanwhile Billy by the way Billy is sick and tired of Allison being treated poorly so he goes
Starting point is 00:37:46 to Keith's a beach And I think the way it is, like, I'm going to kick that fucking dude's ass. I'm going to go over there. I'm going to show him what. I don't know what the Keith's all about. And then, like, Keith Stenzel was like, yes. And he's like, 6'5. And he's like, you got to watch it with my friend, pal.
Starting point is 00:38:01 That's what you got to do. By the way, my note for this scene is Billy versus Keith, whoever wins we lose. Very true. But I will say, I do appreciate that it's like, I don't know, it's another, like, nice Billy moment because he's like, Keith is like, oh, what are you, pal or boyfriend or whatever? And he's like, no, I'm our best friend. And like, it sucks because it's Billy and it's being delivered the way Billy would deliver a line. But like, I thought it was nice that the character goes to stand up for it. Yeah, for sure. It's great. But like it's all undercut because he looks like
Starting point is 00:38:39 an extra from a Chemical Brothers video. Like this, this outfit still looks ludicrous. Block, rock and beats. I also notice in this episode, Andrew Shoe has a really bad haircut. Yes. And I don't know what was going on here in the makeup department, but it's like not styled his usual way. Yeah, it's like a poofier for some reason. Yeah, like, I don't know if he's using a new conditioner or what.
Starting point is 00:39:03 He was volumizing maybe that week. I don't know. So there's a great like, he's like, you're just jealous, pal. And the great fucking Billy signoff right here is just, I just care about her more than you do, pal. Billy does at least get a pretty successful last word. He does, yeah. I mean, but I do think it's like,
Starting point is 00:39:22 I've got to fucking kick that guy's teeth. Oh, Jesus. Oh, holy shit. Holy shit. Look at that fucking guy. Yeah, yeah, Billy. Well, I got a house at the beach. What the fuck you think she's coming here for?
Starting point is 00:39:36 Oh, yeah, Keith. Well, I had two cans of frosting for breakfast this morning. Hey, uh, hold on, Keith. Is this guy bothering you or what? Unless, uh, I'm just going to be. some funny business here, in which case I'll just hang back with my binax. And, you know, whatever, he,
Starting point is 00:39:53 she decides to break up with him. She tells Billy first, obviously. And Billy, here's the thing. I do appreciate that Billy goes to, you know, take care of this situation and, you know, stand up for his friend. But then he has to, like, he wants all the credit in the world. Well, I went over there and I set him straight, Allison.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Oh, right. Yeah. And, you know, honestly, and she, Alison's response is, you maniac? you did it. I'm like, no, you got to be kind of like, hey, man, maybe you shouldn't have done that. Exactly. He's also he's overselling that encounter. I'm surprised he'd be like, well, next time you
Starting point is 00:40:27 see Keith, he's going to have a broken leg. Oh, hey, Alvin, the next time you see Keith, why don't you ask him about the car battery I hooked up to it with nuts? He is a pathological liar. Yes. Exactly. But also, like, her whole thing so far has been like stop fucking invading my privacy please and he's like okay now she's like thank you for
Starting point is 00:40:50 invading my privacy exactly because it's not the same as like breaking into her room or stealing money from her or right borrowing her car under false pretense it's just secretly going over to give a fucking tongue lashing to her boyfriend yes um so the last scene is her at keith's place and she's like listen keith i have to say something is no i have to say something i'm gonna leave leave Lily and she's and she doesn't say anything. It's like, we'll say something Allison and we end on that so we, so the storyline
Starting point is 00:41:23 will continue next week for sure. Well G. Keith, you know, I should go to James Kahn's in a lot of trouble out in L.A. It's amazing. Sorry, he's hanging out with Jim Belushi. I got to go take care of this. Guys about to make a big mistake. Could get
Starting point is 00:41:41 really hot out there. It is kind of a whatever. And I mean, like Also, like, you, Allison, and Allison's, like, still like, oh, what am I supposed to do? She's clearly going to, like, probably waver one way or another. But, like, it doesn't matter if he says he's going to do it. You need to see fucking divorce papers. And then you still shouldn't date him. Sure.
Starting point is 00:41:59 I mean, I do like also that the way, because this is the last scene of the episode. And in an episode where we have been, like, you know, sort of like poking fun at soap opera culture. It's Keith being like, for God's sake, Allison. say something and then they do the exact soap opera thing of like she is just staring at him silently like pretending she's in a freeze frame while the music swells up for a good
Starting point is 00:42:27 like 10 to 15 seconds and then we black out to credits exactly like soap operas does I think it's so hilarious. It's perfect. There is also, so that's it. That's her thing. And then we have the Matt storyline
Starting point is 00:42:41 which is at Shooters right before Matt Matt's at Shooters is everybody. By the way, that Shooter's intro, I love the fake Allison Chains that we're listening to. Yeah. Yes, dude. Fake. I was calling it Frunge music. There's a fake semi-sonic song when Billy and Allison are fighting too. It makes, I mean, it just makes so much more sense of what we're listening to on 902.
Starting point is 00:43:03 I know, which is this fucking weird pop punk nonsense. Yeah, I've never found. Yeah, like at least the fake music on this is not a. anachronistic, which is the problem with the 90210 stuff. But, you know, Matt is about to meet Keith as well, but then he's like, oh, you know, actually
Starting point is 00:43:21 I got to go, I got myself a dinner date and I'm like, hold on, Matt, Matt's doing something? Matt, Matt? Matt has plans that don't involve one of the other neighbors asking him to attend something or going to work. Hey there, Matt, this is Dennis Farina. I want you,
Starting point is 00:43:39 could you go attend a cop's funeral with me? Yeah, it was this guy I never really cared for him too much But I got to go support the blue And I don't know Just ought to be fun to have a buddy along for the ride What do you say? Little funeral ride along there, Maddie, or what?
Starting point is 00:43:58 I do love so she So he goes away And we cut to Club Casbah A Happened spot on the strip, it seems But it seems like next to like a bowling alley or something It's not that exciting Well, you could put anything next to a bowling
Starting point is 00:44:13 So Matt is like Yeah well we'll all meet up next week It'll be great and he gives this guy a hug And it's like oh that's as far as we're gonna go But here's the thing though It's never I mean yeah I get it But like he specifically It's odd when he's at shooters
Starting point is 00:44:31 He doesn't say like oh I've got a date And I guess this is maybe more like we just said It's 92 and you got to code it better You know so he says dinner date He does and when I hear dinner date. I mean, when you use dinner, I mean, it's sort of like more of a, I'm just meeting a friend for dinner kind of a thing. Oh, okay,
Starting point is 00:44:47 yes. And not necessarily a romantic date. And so he winds up, he goes off on his own, three steps away. And I mean, in, like, in the middle of the night, like, you know what I mean? Like, and these guys start harassing him. Yeah, I think these guys are from the bowling alley,
Starting point is 00:45:04 by the way. Exactly. That's why you don't want to put a gay club next to a bowling alley. Yeah. A bowling alley is like a straight pride parade. it's weird that they had those pin pals shirts on and these three dudes are like hey you know they call him queer boy and they start shoving him and like I do love I mean like you know
Starting point is 00:45:24 and good for Matt for standing up for himself it's like I think he says like keep walking man which is like it sounds tough but like you're literally way outnumbered I mean that's what I would do if I was about to go the shit kicked out of me maybe is say you better watch it man
Starting point is 00:45:40 exactly like oh dude you're about to get into more trouble than you expect. I'm like, wow. Don't worry about it. Well, I wasn't expecting any trouble, so. But he gets gay bashed here. They really beat him. It is really actually violent and visceral for Melrose Place.
Starting point is 00:46:01 We haven't seen any of the ne'er-do-wells that Jake Pounds beaten this severely. It is, it's out, it almost feels out of place, but I guess it's not because it's calling attention to the violence against gay people in this country, especially at the time. Well, and that's why I think it's better that it's ramped up because it does take you out of the Melrose Placee, soap opera, whatever, and like, here's this dude, like,
Starting point is 00:46:23 really getting the shit kicked out of him. And, like, he does, it was nice. Also, they allow Matt to fight back. He punches the one dude right in the face. Which is cool. And also, yeah, we do get an F-bomb here, but I think, again, to Eric's point, it's kind of well-served for this moment.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Oh, absolutely. to be just you know you got to live in that and hear that and this is what's going on kind of and that's also why it should be its own episode this should be treated a little more seriously without dennis farina and keith walking around and i know and i know it was a no go but like you really should have a scene of like him like falling love with it or having a good date with the man exactly balance out all the pain and torture you're going to put him through that's the thing matt has been living like a benedictine monk for fucking 13 episodes the second he goes out of his house to be a little bit gay he gets gay bash it's like you need to show that there's other good things that can happen kind of thing but no
Starting point is 00:47:20 so he gets he wants up trying to get home Jake finds him a lot of character redemption for Jake this episode I found because he's like really cool with Matt and he's just like hey man you gotta go to the hospital
Starting point is 00:47:32 he drags him to the hospital there he's met with two less than enthusiastic cops you know and they're basically kind of given him like yeah you know we'll do our best we'll see what happens we'll turn this over to Haycrumbs by the way go take care of your boyfriend and you know
Starting point is 00:47:48 Jake's like not my boyfriend but he's like clearly like it's like that pissed you get when you see people are you care about are getting fucked over and it's it's a great delivery from Grant show because there's zero like disgust at the
Starting point is 00:48:04 like he's pissed off because they're making that assumption but it's not like ew gross no he's not my boyfriend exactly he's not my boyfriend none of that even fucking matters police officer like you know why don't we try to be a little more helpful than this they're like yeah you just you gotta call Detective Gould and hate crimes
Starting point is 00:48:22 we specifically don't handle hate crimes so you know Matt's not sure if he's going to the next morning and like you know here's something when Billy got when Billy's fucking jobs car got robbed the whole all of Melrose
Starting point is 00:48:38 place was outside waiting for waiting for him. You know what I mean? For Billy to come back and be like, oh my God, it's Billy okay. Matt is in the hospital and that's it. It's just like the next day it's Billy and Rhonda maybe, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think they are trying to be a little supportive.
Starting point is 00:48:55 But even Matt is kind of like, oh, geez, it took me having a hate crime done on me for my friends to make me breakfast. Steve, come on. Keith. Yeah, you're right. Keith exists. I can't be doing this. And by the way, Michael is trying to eviscerate his relationship with Jane. That scene I just, I don't want to lose it. There's a
Starting point is 00:49:14 45 second D plot in this movie. Wait, what was it? I feel like I forgot. It's just, it's Jane being like, well, Steve, you want to take it? Oh, no, you do it. Well, it's just because it's Jane worrying like, oh, I can't believe Allison's with a married man. And Michael's like, yeah, it happens. And she's like,
Starting point is 00:49:32 wait, what are you talking about? It happens. And he's like, yeah, you know, because we're all animals, but go. He has like the statistic at hand. I'm remembering now. It's like, yeah, it's like, 40% of married men go, boom, they bang the other lady. Oh, yeah, what is it? Oh, no, he uses the old two-thirds of marriage and her divorce, I think.
Starting point is 00:49:50 And she's like, wait, so how do you know all this? And he's like, yeah, never mind. Well, actually, Jane, that figure is from the Reuters poll. I actually have some information from poll points, and they say that it's actually 46.7. You know, Harry Enton says it's about 60% of men, what a fuck are the ladies. Michael, why did you say, never mind? What does this have to do with Nirvana? He is, I mean, it's this, it's an amazing scene.
Starting point is 00:50:17 It's like, it is like 90 seconds, but it's him just like dousing his marriage and gasoline really quickly for no reason. But then it's a weird, like, she's like, oh, he says something like, you know, oh, you're trying to tell me that all the time we've been together. You've never, like, found another man attractive. And she's like, oh, I see what you're saying. Right. Never mind. Good night. And he's like, wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:50:37 What do you mean? Oh, Bougal. And it's great. I mean, I'm just glad I didn't want to lose that thing because it's so important. I don't want to lose what Billy says to Matt. Yes, please. You know, they're making Matt breakfast. We're trying to make him feel better.
Starting point is 00:50:52 And he's like, hey, Matt, listen, I've been there before. I know exactly what you're going through. And then, like, Matt has to be like. Not really. Not really. And that's the thing is Matt again, St. Matt. It's just like, no, Billy, I don't think it's the same thing quite at all. And he's like, come on, Matt.
Starting point is 00:51:09 It's violent. the file of fame different. Dude, it's kind of great, and I have to hand it to Vanessa Williams because as Rhonda, she's like, in the background, like, pouring a cup of coffee when he says that, and you can see her look up and be like, oh, please don't
Starting point is 00:51:24 do this. Oh, please don't go that route. Oh, no. Turn out of this right now. No, no, too late. The time I got robbed is the same thing as being beaten up for being gay. Poor Matt must have to put like a thumbnail in his shoe.
Starting point is 00:51:40 every time he talks to Billy to just distract himself from what he's fucking going through. It's excruciating, man. And like, it kind of leaves there. I think Billy kind of acquiesce a little as like, well, I guess it is a little different, you know, wherein my cab was
Starting point is 00:51:55 smashed up for business reasons, and your lifestyle caused you to almost get murdered. I guess that makes a little bit of that. So the next thing is him at work, right? it's him and you know he's like trying to just get through this day and you know he's like trying to connect with this kid who doesn't want to talk to anybody umando who doesn't want to talk to anybody uh and like you know he's trying to get him to break through his anger and the kid does and like throws a chair and all this stuff it's it's a nice little scene it just shows you
Starting point is 00:52:28 like this dude matt is walking the right path the entire time and never gets anything but fucking grief exactly and as much as we've like made fun of his work at the halfway house like here he is counseling some kids and like you can see the actual like because the kid you know we find out later like you know had a that was a breakthrough for him that day and it never you know addressed
Starting point is 00:52:50 emotions a certain way and whatever so it's it was nice to see Matt being good at his job but his you do see his boss kind of watching the interaction and he's watching it like with pride later on though this the fat detector from Ace Ventura shows up
Starting point is 00:53:07 I got some problems with how this guy covers his business. Because, like, if you're dealing with a hate crime, especially against a gay person, you need to be like, oh, are you met, whatever your last name is? Sure. You want to talk outside real quick? I just wanted to talk to you about the incident the other night. I mean, cops showing up at your job in general is a real fuck you no matter what, if you're a victim or perpetrator. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Right. Yeah, it's just no, call him and be like, hey, sir, would you like to come down to the police station and we can have a conversation? Well, it's also Joey Bagged Donuts from San Demas. Like, this guy's like, hey, hey there. Yeah, my mother's from San Demas and my father, he's from Palermo. And yeah, he's just like, so, uh, you were gay best, right, for being gay. And his boss is like, excuse me? Same.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Exactly. And like this, but it turns out this guy is actually like, I want to try and catch you scumbags because I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't stand for any of shit in my Los Angeles. It's like, all right, good for you, dude. But also, you're just doing your job very poorly, which leads to... Very poorly or very portly. Which leads to the scene where Matt gets called into his boss's office, and he's like, so the other day I couldn't help but notice you and Armando,
Starting point is 00:54:25 he threw that chair, and also I don't like your lifestyle, so I'm going to have to fire you with the throne chair and kind of sort of you being gay. The way he, yeah, that's exactly what he's saying, but the way he couches it is like you foster too much self-expression in the kids and, you know, it's something about a lack of family values being portrayed, like yikes, dude. Saying family values is just saying, I'm a bigot. Yep, that's the exact, yeah. Anytime someone tells someone else they're lacking family values, bigot. Matt, look, we simply cannot run the risk of you being too good at your job.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Can't do it. I'm sorry. Listen, here's the thing. If you teach these kids how to respect themselves, then all of a sudden you've got 10 gay kids on our hands. And then where will we be? Family Values Tour with Corn Bigot. I just pulled up the fucking 1998 Family Values Tour Wikipedia page. Corn, Limp Biscuit, Ice Cube Incubis,
Starting point is 00:55:31 replaced by Ice Cube for the remaining to Orgy and Rammstein. Wow. Yeah. It was a lineup. It's quite a bill. I remember that tour. I did not attend. I did not either shockingly. No, I did not. I wanted to, though. By the way, there's a subsection that says feud with Rob Zombie.
Starting point is 00:55:49 No, thank you. We'll get to it later. Holy shit. They did a 99 and a 2001. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Drag that tour out. Yeah, it was a yearly thing. No, that should... 99 added mob deep, stained primus, Jarl, Method Man, and Red.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Edman DMX filter and the Crystal Method. That is a great lineup. 2001 were Stone Temple Pilots. That's what I wanted to go to. Yeah. Stained, Static X, Deadsy, and Spike 1000. Anyway, that has nothing to do
Starting point is 00:56:20 with this show. The next David Fincher movie should be the rift between corn and Rob Zombie. Absolutely. Oh, I'd watch that. So he does get fired and like he's kind of wallowing. Just stop you real quick there, Steve. If you invented the Family Values Tour, you would have invented the Family Values Tour.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Oh, my God. It's Rob Zombie playing twins trying to... One's white zombie and one is Rob Zombie. Yes. Oh, nothing. Oh, nothing. Jonathan Davis just stole our idea. I'm looking this boss up, Steve, and I'm curious if you've run into him.
Starting point is 00:57:04 On Madman, yes. Yes, Jim Hobart. I just actually finished my watch last night. He's very pivotal in the last couple of episodes there. He plays like the runner of McCann who kind of absorbs struggling Cooper Tiber Price. Also, by the way, you know who's in this episode of like one of the third to last episodes of Mad Men? Fucking Keith. What?
Starting point is 00:57:27 Keith is really? Keith was on it. Yeah. What does he play? There's this part where it's one of my favorite fucking. scenes it's Pete Campbell and Trudy are trying to get their kid into school and there's some sort of a problem so they have to go talk to the administrator and like nobody knows what the deal is. It's like, oh, it's because we're divorced and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:57:47 But no, it's because of some like old money white bullshit where he's like, your clan butchered my clan 300 years ago, yada, yada, yada, and like my favorite line is Pete just goes, the king ordered it. I fucking love that show. But anyways, Matt gets fired. He's wallowing and self-pity. Jake won't stand for it. He's like, you know, you got to sue these bastards. You know, you can't let them walk all over you, yada, yada, yada.
Starting point is 00:58:16 And it's, you know, but he's, it's kind of funny because it's sad almost because Matt is just like, I can't, Jake. He didn't fire me for being gay. He fired me for not having family values. I'm like, it's the same thing. It is fucking great, though, that Jake is the one. to encourage him to like sue because he checks back in right when we're about to watch
Starting point is 00:58:37 Sandy like on the soap opera like we're all at shooters and Matt is like oh let me get the bill for you and he's like don't have a job right now and he's like no no I'm taking your advice I'm going to sue them so this is he's kind of putting
Starting point is 00:58:53 the car before the horse here because he's like this bill at shooters is being paid by the money from the settlement that I might get from this lawsuit I haven't filed yet. I mean, Jake is amazing this whole thing because he wants to do a death wish style like hunt down the
Starting point is 00:59:09 street like with Matt in tow and Matt is the one who's like, no, no, no, no, no, maybe Sue. I do kind of want that to happen though. Like the two of them and you can even get Billy involved if you want, just hunting down a bunch of fucking homophobes on the sunset strip. I'm into that show.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Well, at some point, Matt says that the cast a short term 12 is out roaming the fucking streets trying to police people and make sure that this doesn't happen. Yeah, that is a weird thing where he's like, oh, yeah, all the kids are standing up for me. They wanted to patrol the streets to make sure this doesn't happen again. And Rhonda, he's talking to Rhonda at that point, and she's like, oh, yeah, kids are great. I mean, I think that's not a great idea for much like 14-year-olds. He'll be walking around the streets with bats like the guardian angels. It's not going to end well for the kids.
Starting point is 00:59:58 I don't think they're actually They would do better than the police of 92 And what year is this, 2020? Yeah, that's true. It's, I mean, that's kind of it For this Matt story, it seems like it should go on Which will be, it's nice to give him something that happened, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it certainly won't be a romantic subplot, but you know what?
Starting point is 01:00:23 I'll take what I can get with Matt here. At least it's sympathetic, you know, at least we're like drawn into that world and we see the ugliness of the bigotry that goes on to people. I bet you in like what? Like how many episodes for you to forget this? So like 10. And then he's going to just say an offline like, oh, I lost my appeal for the case I was,
Starting point is 01:00:45 I had against wherever this place is. I'm being countersued. And they let they roped you into the lawsuit, Jake. Yeah. Oh, you know, I was going to get, I was going to have Sandy. on the witness stand but what's that
Starting point is 01:01:01 Sandy you can't I can't get a hold of her you know I've been calling the number that she left yeah I wonder if they're ever going to do the three's company thing where someone's on the phone with Sandy and like what's that Sandy
Starting point is 01:01:13 you're having great time in New York well bye yeah I'm not sure but that would be fucking hilarious and just a total burn on Amy Locaine as well oh for sure so that's kind of the episode
Starting point is 01:01:26 we'll do some parting shots here and or are you excited to continue this nightmare atrocity? We'll start with Eric, as always. You know, I think this was a decent episode. I do think, I mean, we've already talked about it, that it would have been better to focus more on the mad stuff. It's good that they addressed it. And I don't know, we'll see where it goes.
Starting point is 01:01:46 I'm excited, though. I'm excited to see what happens with Keith. Let's go. Chris Gavin? Yeah, this was a pretty good episode. Again, like, I just, this has to be mad. episode and you just have to get everything outside we've already gone over it of course i also am pretty sure that the guy who fired matt was in madman as well i think he was like the head of some
Starting point is 01:02:10 company yes that's who we that's that's the guy yeah he's he plays the guy yeah he plays the macan ericson guy that that uh that absorbs everybody at the end i got mixed up with the keith thing too but yes i i'm looking forward to uh keeping this on even though it's torturing me uh uh Andrew Jubin? Yeah, I'm down for sure. I think this is actually a pretty good episode. Yes, next week, we continue with Keith. Next week, also, interestingly, we do continue with the Matt storyline as well.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Where you are even meeting? Matt's dad. Ooh, Matt's dad. I think it's just Matt's dad. I don't know if it's... Oh, no, both of his parents are there. But his dad is played by the character actor James Handy. who is in a thousand things
Starting point is 01:03:00 but he's buyers in canine. Oh, nice. He's in like arachnophobia and the rocketeer ton of shit. Oh, right when you said Rocketeer, his face just really popped out to me. I remember this guy. I rewatched Rocketeer
Starting point is 01:03:16 not long ago. Now, but the thing that I'm not entirely sure about because I don't recognize the character name next week, special guest star Judith Hogue. Ooh. You know her best. course, as April O'Neill in the first Ninja Turtles movie.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Amazing. Yeah, so something to look forward to them. Yeah, there's... Finally. Anything to look forward to in this fucking life. That's fun. Oh, and next week, Ray Don Chong as well. So big week next week for guest stars. That's awesome. They took that Sandy money and spread it around wisely as they did.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Yeah, I mean, I do think this episode's good. I think it's kind of important. You know, this kind of stuff wasn't being talked about at all at the time, so it's cool to do it as we've said, a million times it should have been the focus and to do this fucking especially because nothing happens in the Allison storyline. It's just
Starting point is 01:04:04 filler for the story to continue. Yeah, kind of more of the same. And it does advance next week a little bit for one big bad reason that I won't spoil. But I mean, you just could have had that part happen, you know, in that episode and leave this episode blank as far as what Allison's
Starting point is 01:04:20 up to. Exactly. I think it's kind of a cynical thing. Now that I'm just thinking about it, they're like, well, not everyone's going to connect with the Matt storyline so let's put more this Keith will they won't they exactly yeah yeah that's exactly what it is well this is a straight show so we'll put the straight
Starting point is 01:04:35 story first and then if we have time we can get to the gating put the straight story first it's a two hour David Lynch film about a guy on a tractor and then do the Matt story exactly so that it has been this week's
Starting point is 01:04:51 Melro 210 we've got we've done a ton of great stuff we did an episode on on The Mummy that just came out on the main feed. We've also got our Catsman Terry getting rave reviews from you folks on Patreon. We've got No Country for Old Men. Also on the We Love Movie Feed, movies feed on the Patreon as well. I think we dropped our animation damnation this week as well. Yeah, it just came out yesterday on Scooby Doo.
Starting point is 01:05:14 That's exciting. Yeah, that's an incredibly racist episode. You're going to want to check that out. Not us, the TV show we're talking about. So tons of awesome stuff on both the main feed and the Patreon feed. For now, I bid you a good weekend, and I have been Stephen Seda. Andrew Jupin. Eric Siska.
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