We Hate Movies - S11: Episode 514 - 10 to Midnight (with Josh Lewis)

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

On this week's episode, Brimsgiving gets a bit sleazy as the gang welcomes Josh Lewis from the Sleazoids podcast to chat about the Charles Bronson horror/cop/thriller scuzz-fest, 10 to Midnight! How is there no scene of Brimley firing Bronson? Did the killer make a fake karate champion poster with his picture on it? And what's Bronson's problem with quiche? PLUS: What if Brimley and Bronson starred in some of the 1980's slasher franchises? 10 to Midnight stars Wilford Brimley, Charles Bronson, Lisa Eilbacher, Andrew Stevens, Gene Davis, and Geoffrey Lewis; directed by J. Lee Thompson. WHM is donating 100% of our 2020 merch income to causes fighting for racial justice. For more information on how you can pitch in, head over to our website. Advertise on We Hate Movies via Gumball.fm Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Steven Zadak. Eric Siska. Chris Cabin. Oh, and I'm Josh Lewis. What's up? And we hate movies. Thank you. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the fine program, as always. That's right. Our brimsgiving continues in sleazy fucking fashion, I have to say. And because of that, we are happy to welcome to the program. Our good buddy, Josh Lewis from the Slezoids podcast. How are you doing, sir? I'm doing as good as one can do in these times. And, you know, longtime listener, first time caller, very glad to be here. Very excited to be talking about Zeprooter film today. Yes, right. We are doing the Zepruder film.

film today and I can't wait till we're about the two hour mark will hit frame 313 and that you that is the mother load that's when it's getting good my favorite Wilford Brimley film oh he's in there man I want to watch that shut of a bitch

go down oh so he knew in advance yeah he was he was there just he was there he bought a ticket cut the CIA a little earlier I got myself some box seats I was a chauffeuring around George HW Bush. And I was

just showing him the sights. He doesn't know where he was that time. I know where he was that. Oh, yeah. What does that deal with his weird life? Who was he a bodyguard for? Wasn't it Howard Hughes? Yes. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You sure you want to make that airplane picture goddamn one? Yeah, I'll get more

jaws for you to piss him. You know what, dude? Big mistake. You should have had one of us play him in the aviator, Marty. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's absolutely true. That's totally true. What was the decision said, Steve? He played himself?

Yes. Now, Leo, no. So we're talking 10 to midnight. It's from 1983, directed by the great J. Lee Thompson. This motherfucker, I mean, Cabin, you and I and everybody were kind of like texting about movies that he's done, but like

Guns of the Neverone, Kinjite, multiple Planet of the Ape sequels, which I appreciate. The original Cape Fear is the big one. I just watched this It's called St. Ives. It's one of the rarer Bronson. It's actually for Warner Brothers.

It's not a canon picture. Whoa, I wonder if he was uncomfortable. It probably was. Working outside the family. Because that's probably where he really dug in with Jay Lee was on these fucking canon movies. Well, because Jay Lee also did Death Wish for the Crackdown previous episode. What is everyone's experience with this movie?

I just watched us the first time last night. This is my third go. like late late last year and then I watched it at the start of quarantine so I hope this means it's being it's gonna end soon there you go like a miracle dude it's just gonna yeah that we'll do it cabin uh I've seen it this actually it's probably uh my third time too um I saw it originally when I just was going through like after I first saw electric boogaloo I just like watched a bunch of canon movies I think that's such a great checklist opportunity like I need to see that They're talking about this crazy fucking thing.

I need to see that. Yeah. That's how I finally saw Love Streams. That's finally I was saying Barfly. And that's how I finally see crap like this. But yeah, yeah, I'm mostly enjoy this movie now. Yeah. It's good crap.

Yeah. Good crap is the best way to put it. It was my first time actually watching it. I've danced around like putting it on for years. But Josh, what about you, my friend? Was this your first time watching this? It can't be. Yeah, no.

believe it or not, first time one for me, but I was very familiar with the reputation on this one in particular and Jaley Thompson, who actually is just straight up one of my favorite kind of like journeyman directors from this period. His conquest of the Planet of the Apes, which is

the best sequel in my opinion. That's like full out, like Orwellian old school sci-fi that becomes like a Romero picture. And so the fact that he could do something like that and you know, then move on to do something like Cape Fear, which surprisingly, I I was kind of shocked at some of the similarities in terms of sort of the idea of trying to contain people's, like, base urges within, like, the law.

I was surprised to see that come up in 10 to midnight as well. But he also did, like, this little gothic murder party horror film in the 60s called, like, Eye of the Devil. So, weirdly enough, I was familiar with, like, more obscure J. Lee Thompson stuff before this, but I knew did Death Wish 4, which I've seen, and I was like, one day, I'm going to hit 10 to midnight. and I'm glad that I did it with you guys. Eye of the devil, is that what Charles Bronson calls his penis? Is that, that's my understanding? Look out, here comes the eye of the devil, baby. Yes, yes, we actually also, yes, we pay Bronson for also being in picture,

but also we get him to make title for a movie. I have devil is the name of his penis. He has 10 to midnight is the time that he always takes his last bit of cocaine. I'm going to give him the evil eye. I got to say this title And I mean like there's a lot of uncertainty In this world right This crazy world right now

But whenever we have another president I do want Someone to look at the IMDB trivia boards It's well past time It is What's happening in here Steve? Because I didn't get to it today Under spoilers

And I'll read this out The only spoilery Quote spoiler trivia that there was for this film So they, like, they've marked it with, like, the red notification and everything. No, it's been written, even on Wikipedia. Though it's been written, first of all, though it's been written, like, it's the fucking Bible, but okay, sure. No, it's been written, even on Wikipedia, that the title doesn't mean anything and has nothing to do with the movie. It's most likely not literal, i.e. relating to particular times of 11.50 or 12 a.m.

Instead, 10 to midnight refers to a relatively short amount of time to take care of something before it's too late. in this case catching the killer who is after all in parentheses by the way who is after all trying to kill the main character's daughter and at the end of the movie it's a race against time to stop him well so wait so it's most likely the title relates did he get his doctorate at the end of this no definitely not first of all so it's most likely the title relates to the protagonist's urgency a race against time oh okay actually it means nothing i was reading about it earlier today that um golon just thought it sounded cool and they were originally marketing it based on just a poster and it was supposed to be like an international thriller and they were supposed to be terrorists in it and none of that happened.

They literally went in like they do with the old school exploitation films. They were like, okay, we got a star. We got Bronson. He got cosmetic surgery. He's looking better. We got Bronson. We got a poster. We got this thing called 10 to midnight. I don't know what it is. It sounds great. And then, yeah,

literally they picked up a random script they had sitting in the canon offices called Bloody Sunday. And they were like, well, why don't we just make this script and just keep the title? Because we've already pitched it and sold it. We'll sell that title to you two and we'll make this movie.

Instead, we'll make double the money. So, Cabin, if you had to sort of quickly distill a little bit of a nutshell what this movie is, how would you go about that? There's a killer on the loose, everybody. And then there is a cop on the loose as well, and it's Charles Bronson.

That's a great point. Not enough do we say that there's also a cop on the loose, because this guy is a fucking menace. And he's just a rambling. He's like the oldest man you've ever met. And he's on the hunt for this killer. And I guess also his daughter is involved somehow. It's just a cat and mouse movie, really. Right.

where, you know, the cat is this like mostly nude male serial killer and the mice are all these women who's Bronson. Bronson is ruining their lives, like one person at a time. He's got like a little buddy with him, like a rookie kind of guy who's like the pretty boy who also will go on to fuck Bronson's daughter, I feel. Oh, definitely. He doesn't get that mad about it, though. I was kind of surprised that that wasn't a whole subplot. You know what? I think it's because he's like, oh, another one of the boys in blue. Okay, by me.

It's also clear he does not care about his daughter even a little bit. Oh, no. And she says as much in this movie. The fucking, dude, you could fuck a werewolf for all I care. It's really uncomfortable. Like, when she goes to the police station, she's like, I'm here to see my dad, Charles Bronson. And the guy's like, ha, real funny. He doesn't have a daughter. I mean, at that point, you just have to be.

be like, okay, and what's your name? All right. And then you go to him, be like, hey, your daughter, Debbie is here for you? Don't be like, he doesn't have a daughter, you moron? Like, who are you? Right to her face? Right to her face, this guy's saying it. It's amazing. Charles Bronson has a daughter. Give me a break. We all know he lays eggs. It's so definitive. Like, is Charles Bronson going to the bar after work saying, like, I don't have a daughter. The last thing I would ever have, ladies and gentlemen, by the way, clink is a daughter. And I guess we should also Feel like with Brim's giving We got to cut right to the fucking chase Wilford Brimley is like The chief of detectives here He's Bronson's boss

And it's weird because you sort of realize Like Wilfred Brimley and Charles Bronson Like shouldn't exist in the same movie That's just my opinion That's very unsettling That's the thing though Is you do need one person in this Precinct that he respects

Yeah Because Bronson fucking does not respect anybody else fuck his daughter fuck the law fuck everything else I will say this new guy he's got to deal with

but he will respect Brimley I'm not I'm gonna give this movie like a one on the Brimley scale sadly they're just not nearly enough Josh do you agree what what are your feelings now I'd go same with you I don't even know what happens to him halfway through the movie

does he just disappear yeah once the courtroom like he's seen in the courtroom like going oh no what's this about and then he's just gone after the evidence thing you should have a thing like it should be that you know like the outside the courtroom they're yelling at each well that's that it requires acting but from bronson which you're not going to get but you know but some sort of like i know you planted it god damn what i saw those clothes and they didn't have blood out like exactly but it's like a but like a butt i'm not going to turn you in because we're all just fucking dirty ass but 40 years of friendship down the grain yada yada exactly it's briefly a clash of the titans right like you're seeing this heavyweight Brimley and Charles Bronson going at each other. That could be the poster, just the silhouettes of those beefy men.

Right. They skipped that scene. It would be the scene between like when he's, uh, when he admits that he planted evidence and when like he admits he got fired. There was a firing there. You're right. They could have raised the precinct in a brawl. You know, for like, fight fight me over not.

I'm fired. And it's crazy too because they set it up. the main scene that they have together, like, early on in the film is, like, him being, you know, you're a loose canon, Charles, and you're going to get us in trouble one day, and I don't want us to be in trouble. And then they, that's the last scene we see. Yeah, you should be like, as I have mentioned, as per my last email, Charles Bronson. Like, yeah, dude, like, pay that off a little bit. A lot of stuff, the end of this movie is very rushed and sloppy in a lot of ways. Well, that's what, they pull out, it, like,

there's a big climax, and then it just ends. They pull out before the climax, good move. Thank you. How do you think I don't have any daughters? But they should end with, like, this, like, the camera is, like, pulling out. It should just be brimbley, like, saying, I told you so with it faintly going into the bad.

He needs to be in that final scene. Yeah. And he's just standing there in the street with the rest of them. And he's, like, trying to rationalize him along. now, now, now. And then Bronson shoots him. Forget it. Charles Bronson. It's 10 to midnight. And then you cut out.

And now we're great. What do you mean? That's what it is, dude. He's like, you know, oh, hey, Wilford Brimley, what time is it? And he goes, I don't know, 10 to midnight. And he goes, wrong answer. Death o'clock and fucking shoots him. That's

your ending. And you have Wilfred there. It would be great. Although the credits, I just say, Golan and Globus again knowing what they have here opening credits and Wilford Brimley as Captain Malone or whatever the fuck

So it's just Malone Death o'clock should come first He shoots him and then asks Wilford Brimley for the time of death Oh nice! Yes! Oh definitely. You should also just have like Kessler will be back in 10 to noon

Yes Kessler will be back in sleeping in the next day. Well that's the thing when they say And Wilford Brimley as Malone, you're like, is there a series of Malone movies? A, I would watch them. But B, do they exist, you know? Well, Bert Reynolds played a Malone. I don't think it's related to this, though. No.

Who was he in, or what movie was he Malone in? Malone. Yeah. It's just called Malone. It's not very good. It's kind of a sleepy Bert Reynolds movie. Oh, shit. So, like, as we, you know, open the film Brunson. is like kind of humoring

some crazy guy who's come in you know saying oh I'm going to kill him again I'm going to kill all these people and he like sends this dude away yeah it's what's weird it's a cold open too it's before anything and it has nothing to do in any part of the movie except for like I'm looking

for a killer okay and what does he say he says I'm hunting a killer and what I want comes first blam 10 to midnight opening credits I know you want a story just let it make sure everybody's found their seats before we

begin the film I will say I missed having the the Canon come together thing I was it was just it's just the blood red canon group but it you know it's fine so it worked for me is it like an older

v newer thing or did they use those interchangeably I think they I don't think they always use the actual logo like that the movement thing Because it's like city pictures, whatever it is, like a subsidiary of canon of some kind. And like I think this is probably like, this is like they're trying to set the mood of like a slashery kind of thing. This is a prestige canon. Right.

Yeah. I mean, that's what I was wondering. Right. Like, do we have this classy ass red font? Because they're like, oh, it's one of our like high tier pictures we're going to put out this year. There's no ninjas in it, you know. We're not doing four year consideration. Wilford Brimley as Malone as best support.

that's right we're putting up Barbe Strader's Barfly and 10 to midnight for consideration I do want to say Circle Back you had said earlier that Ronson got plastic surgery which I read on the IMDB trivia as well he got plastic surgery

for this movie to look younger anyone he's looking okay in this one right I guess so yeah he's a little puff he's less he's less he's less puffy yeah that's what I like I could see his eyes usually like the skin is folding over it he's not the kind of actor who would be harmed by whether you can tell whether he's expressing himself or not necessarily yeah exactly um but like steve you're saying for this movie was it a like hey charles bronson if you don't get plastic surgery then you can't be in 10 to midnight or was he like oh no the next picture's coming and i look like an old catch's myth

I do I think the way that it was at least framed on the MDB uh see my earlier statement so you know take with a grain of salt sure but it's um because you know to make them look younger for this movie I guess because he has this daughter who's in her early 20s right you know what I mean like that kind of a thing yeah I guess because she's like a nursing student so she's still like college age well it would be cool if it was like the granddaughter right and Charles Bronx is just grandpa sure he's rambling grandpa he's rambling like a grandfather in this. So I feel like that's actually more where they should be going. Hold on. I know he doesn't have a granddaughter. Get the fuck out of here. What are you talking about? I'm the fucking police desk captain. Or whatever. If somebody came up to me and was like, I'm Andrew Jubin's daughter. Like, oh shit. I'm going to call Andrew.

You know what I mean? I just don't know that information. I don't know that information about literally anyone. There's no way. There's just no fucking way. Get the fuck out of here, lady. So after the credits We kind of open up to this Freak serial killer dude Warren Whatever the fuck this guy's name

Stacey is it Warren Stacey is it And he's like Played by Gene Davis who is one of the trans prostitutes In cruising if you guys have seen cruising Oh yes I didn't recognize him from that though I mean it's been a while for cruising And I think I read something that he was almost Luke Skywalker

Or like he auditioned Probably not almost at all Isn't that Is that someone else? That's the partner. Ah, yes, that makes more sense. Who also went on to be like an executive at Franchise Pictures.

Like he produced those whole nine yards and whole 10 yards movies. No, the guy who plays Paul McCann. Paul McCann. He's like a huge producer. Oh, interesting. But he also spent the late 90s doing a bunch of Shannon Tweed movies too.

Yeah. Oh. And I read a brief interview with him today and he referred to the glonen and go what was it Glowin and Globus calls him the go-go boys That's right

That's the other Because that's the second documentary About Canon that's not as good The one that they funded So they're like it It doesn't make it sound like it was just Like a fucking farmhouse Of a goddamn studio

Yeah Yeah here's our true story Produced by also us Yeah Go see electric boogaloo instead. So yeah, here's this dude. Now, what is the deal here?

He's having some sort of memory of this one time. He got fresh with this woman at the office and she threw coffee in his face. He like literally unzipped her dress in the coffee room and he's like, oh, God, what a prude. He appears to be a guy

who really thinks that like the situations in porno movies can happen. Like he's in that coffee room like, oh, it appears as a if you need a little help with your dress in the coffee room at the office. You know what I mean? And then it's like that's not how society actually

functions. Like the world is not porno plots. Why would you react like this? We've talked a hundred times in my head. Yeah, I think that's the idea. He's a total lunatic and like he watches this lady get into a van and she's like, let's go to the, let's go to the lake and he's like, the lake. He like overhears

it with this Spider-Man hearing, I guess. I don't know what's going on. He's very far away. I thought he had a fucking wiretap somewhere and that's what sort of confused me because like when he's then following them later I was like but there's no way he heard those people having the conversation

but it's this whole and correct me if I'm wrong because I thought a continuity error kind of threw me here for a second the whole thing is he knows that this woman is going to go to the lake or whatever she's going to go off on her own Friday the 13th movie and he then like constructs

this whole bogus alibi where he's making sure that people see him at a movie theater by harassing these other women and then he like sneaks out through the bathroom to go kill these people but like he's walking on the roof of this movie theater and it's like

night time and then he gets to this lake to murder these people and it's like five o'clock in the afternoon. It was a very long walk. I'm just sitting there high as a kite of course watching this movie for the first time like wait is he like thinking of a different time he killed somebody like i had no

fucking idea what was going on for it like two minutes it is a 24 hour loop of butch cassidy in the subject the run time is this a fucking gun with the wind they're watching or what like these this dude's got gotta get get back there already totally and butch cassidy i mean it's not a particularly long movie i forget how long that that could be that's what those movies that could be two hours and 15 minutes and i just forget even still it is not a movie that's long enough to sneak out of a movie theater go to wherever this lake is strip naked kill two people and then make it all the way back to the movie theater one hour and 50 minutes definitely not definitely not no i don't think so can we just talk about well obviously that's what that special oil he was putting on his face does to him that's what he was doing when he was getting ready and he's you know he's in his uh speedo and he's listening to his hair metal i don't even know what song he's listening to but it's kind of absurd it was a total ranger song whatever it was man i loved it it's got some of the most insane lyrics i've ever heard in a song

in my life it's like yes the mouse has been trapped but the snake is on the trail and like what the fuck are you talking about you're listening to this when you're getting ready to go kill a couple of people it's like biblical metal like what the fuck that's got to exist that's out there of course that's out of course speaking of his apartment does he have a poster of himself doing karate Absolutely. A poster. Not a picture. No, no, no. Printed poster. I'll say it. Alpha move. I absolutely agree. Especially in the 1980s when we had a karate-based economy. That's totally true. I mean, honestly, let's face it, if there was a fucking poster of me doing karate for sale, I would go to Spencer's Gives and buy it also. Wait, so you think he just saw it? Oh, hey, that's me. And he got it? Oh, I had no idea. Yeah.

Okay. But thank you for bringing that up, though, Josh, because that seems. of him like getting ready. It was when I realized like the, you know, the last few days here in America have been just rotten and everybody's brain is just scrambled. But I was sitting there watching this alone in my apartment and he's

getting ready and he's in this fucking speedo and I just went, banana hammock alert to no one. Usually at least the dog is in the room and I'm just like you fucking maniac. Like you're just acknowledging things you see and then saying alert

after them. Well, it's an alert. But an alert for whom, Steve? We're all going crazy. It's not just the election. It's just like being stuck inside and this is not like an anti-lockdown thing. This is just an anti-earth thing. Right.

Yes. I do. But this movie does start with the red credits and he's getting ready. And it is kind of this weird like it's almost a slasher but not really a slasher. And we kind of vacillate between the two. And I kind of was like thinking about Charles Bronson and Wilford Grimley

in a slasher movie, you know, like them hunting down Jason or Michael Myers or what have you. That's way better than what this would be, right? Oh, yeah, his mother, you know, she didn't believe that he couldn't swim. God damn what. Look what happened. Like, he was like a fucking

Crystal Lake counselor in like the 1950s or whatever. Right. Yeah. And he's still wearing a tight little t-shirt and shorts. Oh, he's got those yellow Daisy Dukes on? Absolutely, dude. Welcome to crystal late. Goddam what? I'm going to teach you bow and arrow. And by the way, my eyes are up here. Stop looking down there. Are you telling me that little Johnny Depp got eaten by the bed?

That way you're telling me that little Johnny Depp up there. He just got eaten by his bed. That would be great, dude, because he would have way less tolerance for someone saying that magic dream slings were happening. Now, Goddama, Jason. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm your mother now, see? Look at my boozle. No, no, Jason, Breastfried, remember? Oh, my God. I'm wearing a big ass sweater and you're looking at my huge, juicy

tits, Jason. Yeah, that's right. I burn that pervert Fred Kruger alive. See, and that makes sense, too, because he would be part of the Elm Street parents, absolutely. Let's go get him. Totally. Oh, I'm loving

this. What missed opportunities? I mean, the thing is we can jump all around here, obviously, it doesn't matter. But I sort of feel like this movie, it sacrifices any kind of like slasher card that it could play at the end. Because instead of this being left up to his daughter, who that character is left the sole survivor

of a fucking nurse dormitory massacre, right? She just sort of runs away. And instead of like being the final girl finishing this dude off himself, she like literally runs into the arms of, Bronson who like puts her aside and then Bronson handles everything. Sure. So like totally like erases any like Final Girl revenge kind of thing.

But there's so much of this movie that could just like, if you crank that dial just a little bit, it's like such a solid horror movie. But instead it's like a cop horror thriller. I don't know. It's such a weird mishmash. Because the interplay between Bronson and Paul McCann. Like it is so like it's not. like taught. It's not serious.

It's like rambling. It's like grumpy old men. He's like, yes, there used to be a pharmacy here. And the man who used to run the pharmacy used to

have a morphine addiction. And then he killed his wife. And then there was a nut store there. And then there was a McDonald's after that. They used to serve me coffee. And like, it just goes on like that. And you believe it? 16 handles? You get to do your own, you do your own frozen

yogurt? Coca-Cola cost 29 cents right now, ridiculous. By the end of that story, he's just like, and that's why murder is good. Yes. This is like Primo, like Reaganite, like fascist language, right?

So the guy was a morphine addict, killed his wife. The jury said that he was temporarily insane. Right. So he only got six months in the nut house, which is what Bronson calls of course. And then he was pronounced cured. And then a

week later he shot his parole officer. And this is classic copaganda. This sounds like a T.J. Hooker like monologue. Yes. Right. Yeah, totally. And meanwhile, this rookie dude is like, uh, that's all great information, but you passed the turn like four minutes

ago. Just telling me about the murderous history of this neighborhood. That used to not be a turn. The road used to go on. My God, just fucking turn off the road already. See the point? I'm trying to tell you is that whenever you have the gut feeling to shoot somebody, just do it. I also love how he constantly berates him by saying, you don't really look like a cop. You sound like a school teacher.

Oh, your dad was a social scientist. Mm, mm. Not cop behavior, man. You're totally right. It's this great thing of like, whoa there. Wow, supreme education, eh? Not one of us. Hold on.

Your dad read the book once. Get out of here. you don't got what it takes what you know the whole alphabet get out of here we're supposed to be by the book not read it but so the beginning of this movie yeah like he goes to a movie theater

he harassed these girls blah blah blah then he winds up the nudity thing is kind of crazy because he's like I'm the world's greatest killer let me put on rubber gloves and then leave my pubs everywhere I don't think this dude thought this through quite all the way. This was

pre-pube tracing technology. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, it was before the Pubinator 400 was invented and was used all over the nation. This part wasn't in Zodiac when that new part of forensic science was discovered. Right. Yeah,

you know, yeah, the thing about the nudity is it is a classic case of like not far enough with the male nudity as far as I'm concerned. Like there are parts of this movie where they are like breaking their backs to make

sure that this dude's fucking shlong is covered up and I don't understand it because there's parts in this movie where he's on all fours crawling around nude like a dog and the camera is peering right down this dude's asshole but then like the second there could be some peen glean

they're like putting shadows all over the place and making all these fancy cuts there's a very conveniently placed a branch in a bed post it gets to Austin Power's territory pretty clearly but to be clear Andrew we're not we don't actually see this man's asshole I mean I'm not talking

tunnel vision man but like there's cheek town for sure there's flapping kids and it's nice and cheek town I'm saying you but you could pause it and you might see the asshole between him and the guy who's fucking on top of the laundry machines

because you see right up his ass too I mean I don't it's just like if I'm gonna see this dude's ass this much bent over or not bent over I mean, because the part we're at right now is a great example, too. When he goes to kill, so he goes to the van and fucking opens it up. This couple is fucking in there. So he's also nude.

The woman runs away and he murders the guy right quick. He's mainly a lady murderer, but there's a witness. So you got to kill that guy. Then as he's like chasing her in the woods, again, totally naked. They are like, okay. Like Josh, like you said, like you were making the joke about the branch, but it's totally true. They're like, all right, fucking stand right there. because the tree will cover you that.

All right, and then you're going to run over to that side. Make sure you stand right by that shrub or else we're going to see your dick, and then we're going to have to call cut. It's 1983, and there's so much vulgarity in this movie, surprising amount for this movie. And I feel like if they did have any male nudity, this movie's not coming out in the United States. It's a bridge too far.

You know. Listen, you've got two options. You either show that dope boy's cock or you don't have me in the movie. I'm not going to be in a movie with a cock. Yeah, the cocker walk contract. He gets the Oscar and he's like, let me tell you one thing, Cock Rider.

It should be in every one of your contracts. If you don't want to see my cock, I don't want to see his cock. Maybe that's what it was. Dude, he was like, I'll show it. And they were like, nah. Pass. Also, by the way,

on your dick, Bronson. Running around the woods, totally naked. This is how you get Lyme disease, ladies and gentlemen. Absolutely. Better check that corpse for tics. Yeah. at the same time that's like how we began as a species and it's nice to get back to that

well i do i must say i appreciate that he is in in very good uh physical shape sure like this guy's like donis yeah a bateman a good patrick bateman type like this is a hardcore patrick bateman vibe i mean when he's like getting ready and he's like he is like he's putting the cologne on which he's putting it on guys out there you know it's your fucking pulse points Don't just shove your face in a bunch of cologne, you idiot. But I'm saying a braver movie would have like a Saul Rubinac in this role. And just had him just flapping around in the wind trying to kill these. I mean, like they do cut.

The thing is instead of just like doing good blocking, they just cut to like a bunch of Romero Casavetti's closeups of like her getting killed and him like looking at the knife. Yeah, we're not doing any like Savini effects, which is kind of a bummer too, is why it's not a horror movie, horror movie. You know what I mean? You see the knife go in and she screams and we're cutting. Especially because, I mean, the bummer is like

when you get to the autopsy scene, this fucking pathologist is like, oh, they were gutted? And I was like, oh, were they? Okay. But in that scene is great, great lines of, like, you know, if there was any forcible entry,

if she was raped or whatever. And Bronson's like, oh, I could have told you that because his knife has got to be his penis. Oh, that's right. Yeah. The knife's got to be his penis in this one. Okay, criminal psychologist.

That's the funniest line too, because you would think in any other movie like this, that that would be a line that you would emphasize. I mean, obviously, it's turning the subtext directly into text, so it's really not even necessary to be there at all. But if you were going to do that line, you would think, you know, you'd get the big push in on Bronson's face, and Bronson would very, very stoically get to say his knife, it's his penis. But instead, completely affectless in a wide shot, in a throwaway scene, he just goes, his knife is his penis. Listen, what do you want for me? That's the line. His knife is a penis.

Now, is that lunch? Is that lunch? Some of, like, one of the, one of the members of the press is like, what did he just say? Did he just say his knife is his penis? Wilford Brimley, did he just say his knife as his penis? Because he's such a bad cop, because it's the medical examiner he's talking to, and the guy's like, well, she, you know, and he's got these facts about, like, you know, she had this kind of blood type. He's like, yeah, yeah, who gives you. his shit. And he's like, tell me something

I need to know. And he's like, well, she wasn't ready. He's like, yeah, I could have told you that egg head. His knife is a penis. We find out that she's got A, B, negative blood or whatever, which is something that he eventually then plants on this dude's clothes towards the end of the film. I mean, it's not like the blood type

even matters to mention because it's still just this woman's blood. Or is DNA evidence that bad at the time that it's just A and B negative blood and they're just like, well, I guess. I think it was... Yeah, I think DNA evidence was 80 would have been 82 or 83 so maybe it was still too new right yeah now back then folks at home you could kill literally anyone you want like it happened all the time hitchhikers you know

look at btk that guy he was wild at the time oh you get a haircut after a murder and you were fine you know what it mean like oh man that guy had long hair that guy's got short hair guess you got to let him go yeah you didn't need these really elaborate procedural sequences of him crafting alibis, which I will say as much as like that's funny, I actually did find those scenes like some of the more effective filmmaking on Thompson's part of most of the film. Like the way that he sets up every step of making sure that those girls that he's harassing at the movie theater know that he was there before and after the movie and the way that

you kind of watch him plan his way through that. Meanwhile, you get like those weird fractured editing cuts of him both imagining, remembering the woman he's about to kill sliding him. by throwing coffee in his face and also fractured cuts to him actually already at the van fantasizing about doing the kill. So between getting those procedural elements and those psychological elements all at the same time, like that's some of the few bits that Thompson actually gets to kind of go horror mode, which is a mode he didn't actually get to go that often. But previously to this, I also watched a movie he did in 81, a Canadian film called Happy Birthday to Me,

which believe it or not actually. actually is a pretty effective slasher and has more creative deaths than this movie does, like involving someone like putting someone's scarf into the spokes of a motorcycle that he's working on so that it strangles him to death. That's like an Indiana Jones kill. But yeah, there's also one where the killer is somehow spotting one of the guys who's lifting weights and he keeps adding more and more weights until the weight like literally takes his head off. I'm like, did I see this movie? I might have seen this movie. It's got a, the poster is like a, the schizcabobo.

Yeah, it's a skewer. Yeah. Okay, all right, I think I've seen this one. And that's, it's a great movie. It's really fun. Well, Thompson just really gets to elongate the mood of the horror sequences. And really the only opportunity he got to do that in this is kind of like the time that's spent with Gene Davis's killer character in this film because the rest of it

is a lot of kind of flat, hot movie stuff. And it's just interesting that every so awesome. and this movie does briefly come alive when Gene Davis is like planning his alibis or, you know, doing something genuinely sort of like unnerving with the slasher finale to get to as well. I love those fractured cuts seeing like

fantasizing about this and that and it's like, wow, it's like someone finally gets me like I see myself on the screen. But it's funny what you're saying though, Josh, because like you get these moments and like they're not like, you know, little fleeting glimpses of filmmaking. Like they're

actual, there's fully realized sequences that happen. And then it's just like, you crash into a brick wall the second, you're reminded that you're also watching a Charles Bronson movie. And it's like, oh, right, fuck it. Easy with the otse and also the fartsy. His knife's a penis,

that's a cut. Right. That is lunch. I do love, yeah, and like, so he's on the sort of the trail. And the weird thing is like, this young cop is his like is his not really they never like solidify their relationship like are they totally antagonistic is it a protege does he like him does he not like him i think he's like slightly threatened by him

because he's like younger more handsome and has like uh you know like better character yeah but he's also totally fine with this guy going after his daughter so i don't know what he thinks about him they get off on the wrong foot and then i think they come to mutually respect one another in some way right right that's this guy is chewing like through gum crime scene like that is oh right you lose your rank you're back you're back on the street again after that one you're on the beat you go directly from that but after that he's like mostly a brown noser with yes bronson like for the most part because he's trying to fuck his daughter this even before he's just like oh yeah you're the you're such a good cop oh i think i think we should

do whatever mr bronson think we should we should do that that's what to do that i think we should do that yeah yeah yeah kill them all yeah yeah because i think he's afraid of him but and that be more interesting to say it's like more explicitly in this movie because you want to see him he's like listen tight shirt there's only one way this is going to go my way right right right well he also gets a big monologue that he delivers to his daughter at one point where he's just like you know your dad he's a cop for 10 years you know this he's really good at his accommodations or whatever yeah i have his resume here i'm going to read it to you now yeah speaking of trash line delivery we cut to the office where this guy works and it's him like fixing a typewriter for this other woman who we come to learn is the murdered girls roommate and the office manager kind of comes up like harassing this woman like where's Betty and this this woman's like well you know I don't know and she's like well I thought you were roommates and it's kind of great because she's like yeah but sometimes

Betty goes and gets fucked and doesn't come home. I don't know what to tell you. Also, we're all a bunch of grown adults. So why are we acting like it's grade school in this scene? But then like the woman, the boss gets a call and it's the police being like, yeah, Betty, so and so your, you know, office personnel was murdered. And this woman just goes, oh my God. No. But by the way, great detail in this is they call the office to inform her employer that she's dead before. they inform her parents. Right. Dude, that is fucking incredible. Reagan's America in a nutshell, dude, right there. Exactly. Well, he, and I guess this guy, Stacey, works in the

IT department, which is the typewriter department, basically, because it's the early 80s. Right. Totally. Yeah, I love him being like, oh, your typewriter just needed to be cleaned. And he's like standing there and she's like, okay, typewriter repairman, that's about it.

You can go now. Yeah. I'll let you know if I need anything. Oh, oh, oh, Betty, Betty's dead, huh? Betty's dead, huh? That's a tragedy.

Warren, why do you have an erection walking around the office with a giant erection? No reason. Could you just tell me what happened to Betty again? Could you just tell me what she did? Slower, slower. Oh, does that make you sad?

Oh, Jesus. Oh, God. Oh, you cried on the phone. It's okay to cry in front of me and on me if you would like to cry. cry on me so yeah this is when Bronson's driving with the other guy and like

oh no what street is this oh my god you've got to be kidding I know this girl Mr and Mrs. F. L. Johnson is what he says The best part about the scene is that he's driving with his partner and he's relaying all the tips he's talking about you know how to do the social scientist or whatever

blah blah blah blah and he opens that scene by being like just don't let your feelings become involved man don't let him. And then literally five seconds later, they're pulling up to the house. And he's like, wait a minute, I know this house. And he's supposed to be getting really upset that he's now emotionally involved in the case. But he doesn't. He's still just Charles Bronson. It's like maybe it's the plastic surgery, but it was a problem before that as well. That is just like, no. No, no. I'm the strong guy. The script acts like he should be emotionally compromised. And he's just

like, no. And Steve, Steve, the way you repeated the line is totally accurate because he's like, wait a minute, where are we? What block is this? Mr. and Mrs. F.L. Johnson.

Oh. Oh, come on. Oh, I know this house. There was a pharmacy that used to be at this house and there was a pharmacist there who was hooked on morphine and that he killed his wife.

I do, I do love when he goes to the door. A, an insane doorbell situation. It's the center of the door and he's twisting something. The crank one. You've never seen one of those? I've never, I've never dealt with a crank. Old timey dude, but they exist. Does like a cracked pepper come on the other side after you do that or? Oh, there's a bunch of ground pepper on the floor. I guess

someone's answering the door now. Why people traditionally bring a salad to the door in case, you know, get a little they're like, oh my God, it's you. I can't, we haven't seen you and so. How have you been? And he's like, Kessler, Leo, and Martha Leo is here. Come on out. Bromson at least is doing the good job of not being like,

oh, hey, how's it going, Bailey? You know, he's like, he's just quiet. Yes, hello. Well, say, Leo, are you still a merchant of death? Oh, God, we should talk about my daughter. Well, the weird thing is like, you're right, Josh. The point is, like, he does set up, like, oh, you know, don't get emotionally involved. And to really pay that off, you should have the scenery as to, like,

say to these people like hey you lost we lost her she's gone and like maybe he makes a vow that he's going to get even with these people none of it he just comes back to the car like that was a rough one off the McDonald's i have to say dude i actually put in my note classy move avoiding the scene where he tells them because like on one hand i don't think anybody that's acting in that scene is pulling anything off that's fair right so then that sort of extends to like you sort of just avoid watching really messy melodrama unfold what would happen is it would be bronson being like i'm gonna get him i'll follow him to the gates of hell right but you know that he's gonna do that anyway because you're watching a charles

bronson yeah well much much like i mean if you watch the electric boobloo like he had a stuntman for like holding groceries and almost getting hit by a car and stuff like that right so what they should have had is like an acting stuntman for those scenes. Like get Corbyn Burnson in just for those scenes. Corbynson as the fucking acting stuntman to Charles Bronson.

Look, you're going to try, it's going to be cheap. Whatever it's going to be. It's canon, so it's going to be cheap. So go for somebody, Corbyn Benson will take your money. Corbynson's like two and a half feet taller than Charles Bronson. It doesn't matter. It's just for this scene. This is the hangout movie I want. It's

Charles Bronson and Corbyn-Burnson once upon a time in the Canon film group and they're just driving around. So how much coke do they provide you in advance? Oh, they paid you in Coke. But so they kind of

cut right to Bronson and the partner interviewing the roommate, Karen, who we met at the office. And it's basically Bronson being like, so Karen, who did Betty fuck? because he's like trying to just get the names of all the boyfriends

and then she's got to be like well there's Dave and Fred and Jackson and Leo let me get her diary out real quick hold on a second totally I'll just read you the names of the table of contents literally at her funeral her father confides in Charles Bronson that she had slept with too many men and their exploits were like super well known and she kept the diary like meticulously of every experience

she had. Hey, Dad, how's it going? Yeah, I just writing in my diary who I fucked last night. Listen, for Christmas, do you want me there at four or five? Oh, well, it's actually, you know what, in looking at my diary schedule, it's going to have to be five because I'm fucking someone at four. You know what? I'm going to make the pumpkin pies the night before Christmas because I'm going to be fucking people all night long after that, and I can just leave the oven on. Let's just say Santa Claus is going to be coming down my chimney. but my favorite part of this scene is that as she's listing out all the names of all the different men that she's stuffed with uh all of a sudden you know she's she's giving them like flat out full names of men to go and investigate and she finishes off by saying oh yeah and then there was one mexican guy yes and both of them there's a whole beat where they both look up and it's very dramatic yeah like did she say mexican and i swear to god the kill bill music should have just straight up Jay Lee Thompson took out actual alarm noises that were going off. And we'll come to find out that our killer has been making lewd phone calls wherein he plays a Mexican character. Yes. Yes. So this guy is a serial killer who also is a wannabe jerky boy,

which is fantastic. But so it's like she's saying like, yeah, there was this other guy. Yeah, he was a Mexican guy. He called he would talk dirty on the phone. And Bronson goes, did he talk dirty to? both of you tell me what he said could you act it out

yeah totally oh I'm gonna get relaxed here what were you wearing in these scenarios specifically I need the picture you gotta paint me a picture perhaps a nice negligee so we go to the funeral

and yeah this is where everybody and of course Stacy being a a bun you know a creep is like he goes to the funeral just to like live in like I fucking I ended this lady's life. Awesome. Good for me.

And this is when we meet the daughter character. And she keeps being like, do I know you? Hey, do I know you? Oh, yes. To Stacey. Yes. And he's like, I don't know. Do you?

Like, you kind of like doing that whole thing. There's a great moment where like he, Stacy is like standing on one side of the, you know, funeral set up. They're in the cemetery. And Bronson's like kind of on the other side. And Bronson like kind of catches eyes with him. and it's kind of a hilarious, like, yo.

Like, he totally looks like, oh, fuck, I just looked at the cops. Yeah, the daughter is Lori, and she's like, oh, dad, I can't believe. Oh, dad, hey, it's me, your daughter, dad. Oh, I thought you were the, thought you were just somebody else. Oh, hey, how's it going? I don't have a daughter. I raised her as a cat. I'm very emotionally involved in this case.

How is your life going? Good or bad? How is your job you have? Do you still enjoy eating? eating and going to work. Tell me of your job and or hobbies. Are you seeing any, I hope

men? It says, oh man, I can't believe that, you know, whatever the lady's name, Bonnie or whatever. She and I used to, Betty. Betty and I used to be so close. Now we're not and all this. Yeah, that's fantastic.

Eni's ways. This is, why don't you go talk to my hunky partner and make it happen? This whole exchange with the two of them is very weird because she's talking, like, staring off into nothing and he's, like, to her side looking at her. And she, like, very rarely turns to, like, meet him. It's such a weird looking scene. It's like a persona. It's like a weird, like, shot scene.

I'm like, what, what, what, why do you talk like this? It's, by the way, the daughter is a Liesel Aylbocker from Beverly Hills Cop, the very not love interest from Beverly Hills Cop. Oh, shit. Yes, totally. She's been in some stuff, right? He should have been a love interest, but, you know. Yeah, no. Can't do that. No. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, an officer and a gentleman. Also in Eric Siska's favorite movie, Live Wire. Oh, wow. Yeah. My second favorite movie. Yes. By the way, stay tuned. Josh, have you seen Live Wire with Pierce Brosnan?

I have not. Add it to your list. It's insane. Amazing. It is a must watch. man he's doing like some sort of like new york accent in it oh that's that's that's all it's all about like bombs but they're liquid or something anyway watch it's fucking fantastic yeah oh god it's fucking great i kind of want to watch it right now but i know that we're gonna do an episode on it really soon so i don't want to um so you know the he over this is the he again his fucking super hearing yeah i think is is in play here because he overhears yada yada diary and he's like Oh, no. All the names of all the dates are in the diary.

That means my name is in the diary, which means now I have to break into this house. This apartment setup is hilarious with these two women because it's like, I think it's a one-bedroom apartment. They've got like two twin beds. Like, I love Lucy. It's fucking weird as hell. It's insane. I mean, I guess that's why she would have to go out to get fucked, you know? Right.

Right. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. And there's a whole, like, it gets very horror movie here because, like, he's in the apartment. and then she comes home, Karen, who's the roommate, and he's, like, hiding in the closet and looking through, very sort of, like, Halloween kind of... You get those PLV shots of her from his vision.

Yeah, she definitely has to change. I'm just thinking of those single ads now that are, like, must have own apartment or van. Yes, exactly. I don't know, man, like, if I ever have to move into a house that has a slatted closet, I'm not doing it. No. Asking for a slasher. You're always asking for a slasher.

That's absolutely right, dude. And if you have to move into a house like that, get those doors changed. Right. Because you're just inviting trouble. It's just safety concerns at that point, right? I mean, that's why we changed out outlets near sinks, you know, we need to make them safer. Everybody says that Mike Myers can't come and get you. But do they really know?

No, they don't. So you just do it as a precaution. Speaking of safety precautions, by the way, she is being very, very not safe making eggs in this negligee you're gonna get burned by that fucking butter man thank you for mentioning the negligee she's coming home from her best friend's funeral yep she takes off her funeral dress and underneath she's wearing this like victorious secret ensemble i'm like what are you what she's like look i don't power move by the way total power move i had a really great night last night it was it was fantastic i slept in now late for

my roommate's funeral. I'll just put some clothes on. I'll go. I'll get the funeral over with. I can come back and just relax on this Saturday. My God. Look, I wanted to feel sexy at my friend's funeral. All right? That's just sometimes you want to feel that. I've read Betty's

diary. She would have wanted me to. It's for you, Betty. This one's for you, Betty. She's in like a trench coat. She gets a call from some dude like Ted who's moving in for the kill. He's just like, oh no, the funeral. Which he didn't go to, by the way.

Nice move guy. Well, I mean, well, now, hang on a second. Let's not tear into old Ted here, man. Would you go to a complete stranger's funeral? No. I mean, you know, with someone you're just fucking or maybe haven't even fucked yet, first of all? That's true. It's like a girlfriend, but maybe not too serious as co-worker died.

You got to do, I don't know, what jobs existed in 1983? You had to, like, deliver milk or something. Money thrower. money thrower is a good one lighting the cigars of the rich with flaming $50 bills also you know liquor mover so she's like she's like sexily making these eggs and he's like in the closet like oh all right I smell I guess there's cooking happening great time to come out and murder this woman and he like he still has his funeral clothes on so he gets into sexy post funeral mode also he gets naked I mean this is his MO right so that there's no bloody clothes that could I mean you could also just destroy your clothes or I don't but you know I kind of support the

I also does a sex thing I never actually thought about the bloody clothes bit I guess I was always like oh that's that's how he's getting off I thought it was just a genius killer but I think it's both you know I definitely think it's both I they definitely make it a point that it's definitely part of an evidence reason

because that's why it's a huge deal that he's like there was definitely no blood on my shirt when they eventually plan it on shirt because he knows for a fact that he disposes of all of his evidence but he doesn't have like a shower cap or anything yeah well he could just take a shower

I guess is yeah yeah but also I'm just impressed at how fast he gets out of those clothes absolutely in those clothes and a split second later you know we can hear her cooking in the background while he's in the room then all of a sudden he's in the room with her a split second later and he's already naked

so I wanted the procedural scenes of him buying the tear away clothing thing or whatever he's gone. Yes, dude, you're totally right, especially because after he does the deed, like he runs into the kitchen and murders her, again, it's not technically a real horror movie, so you don't see anything, really. He goes back into the room to continue, still completely nude, working on jimmying open the door, the dresser draw to get the diary out. Dude, this guy's doing a bad job with that, by the way. Well, absolutely. But when you look on the bed, not, like, I feel like in this moment

we're like, I'd have tear my clothes off and kill this woman. You know, the clothes would like crumpled up on the floor. Everything is laid out like on the bed just so. Let me ask you a question there. Is your clothes made of Velcro for your karate? I've never seen this before. Breakaway sucks.

Whoever knew that would even happen. But to your point though, Steve, like he is doing a terrible, like this is a tiny little side table everybody. What are we doing here? Put some fucking elbow grease that do it and let's move on. But they also spend an entire 10 seconds of him

making sure he gets a knife with the right firmness to open that thing up. You want a strong tang there, Josh, for sure. You want a through tang. You want some pins in it just to make sure that the backing is really solid. Threw tang in my days. Kids wanted something different. And you want to

definitely have the name of a TV show on it. That's the important part is right there. Even if it's just cheers at the time. Chris is being in fun of me because I bought a foraged and fire knife from Target and it rules. Yeah. By the way, you shouldn't be announcing that because when

the detectives find it. I've got nothing to hide, Eric. I don't care what you say. I have nothing to hide. Well, Stephen, it appears as if you've done a very good job, this knife, will Jimmy open a side table? We're going to put your knife through a series of tests,

cutting open a bereaved woman and Jimmying open a side table. Josh, do you guys get this dumb show in Canada that we're talking about. No, no. What is this? Fortune Fire is a knife competition show.

As far as I know, we do not. Lucky you. Steve likes it. I'm just making fun of it. We're having fun. It's a show where a bunch of fucking fat guys make knives and swords and shit. They get very sweaty.

Half of them pass out before the competition's over with. It's pure Americana. Yeah, totally. So then Stacey goes back to as a He cleverly goes grocery shopping first, and oops, the cops are waiting for him. And here's the thing, if this guy's the world's greatest genius, he's leaving, you know, his clothes

everywhere and all the, he's doing it naked for evidence purposes. When a cop is like, hey, can I come in your apartment? The answer is, do you have a warrant? No, you cannot. Yeah. That's it. And also, you can't use the bathroom, by the way. Yeah, you cannot use my bathroom police officer.

I got some stuff in there. Don't be rummaging around. You can use it, but don't be rummaging around. Exactly. But yeah, this is where they're like, oh, you're into karate, eh? And he's got the fucking hilarious poster. And then you like the movie? They're trying to trip them up.

They're like, oh, yeah, that's the one with Newman and McQueen, right? And he's like, Newman and Redford. And he's like, damn it. This is also prime rambling Bronson just being like, So, you like movies. So, you like the newspaper. So you like making yourself salads. So you like changing the light.

So, sir, sir, sir, could you get? Actually, where were you last night? The funny thing is when... We're ramping up to us. So you like cutting women. There is a moment of like, oh, so you like bull fighting, huh? With that poster that I think it's McCann that actually has that conversation. But it leads us to like, yeah, yeah, I've seen a couple in T.

which we also know from pop culture as a pervert capital of sorts so he's popping down there for more than bullfights i think is the idea absolutely dude like human hunting for sport it is funny and also he can read the spanish on the poster that's right which is the first hint which is so funny because again up until this point they have no indication that there is anything mexican or spanish about this killer right uh other than they one girl that talks about to the dead girl made dirty poems to her over the phone in Spanish. That's it. That's all they know.

And then all of a sudden they go, oh, he can read Spanish. But the posters are also, it's like the cat cafe poster. Like it's a totally like mass produced. Like the toucan with the Guinness. Like it's the same kind of thing. And like he's like, oh, so you know so you know how to speak Spanish. No, I just bought that at the dollar store. This guy's a cop, man. He didn't go to college. He didn't have any dorm room posters.

Anyone that knows Spanish is guilty. It's also a little... That's our guy. End of usual suspects. He's like, oh, you like karate. And then it looks at the other poster. Oh, bullfighting. You must know Spanish. I'm just imagining someone coming to my apartment. So you like movies. And you also like movies, huh? And then we go over here.

up you like other kinds of movies interesting. His line the retort that Warren has to the cops about Butch Cassidy's great. He goes, Newman and Redford should I tell you the rest

of the cast? And I wanted to be like, yeah I guess there's a couple more people in that movie but no one else you would remember. That would be a weird thing. All right. Who sings the big song? Come on. Come on. Who plays the police in Belize

Oh yeah I love that movie snow drops on my head am I right Have I tripped you up yet So this is a Bronson's like You know hey I got to take a shit

And this idiot Let's him use the bathroom Can't do it man Bronson immediately is looking all through This place he turns the sink on Which is always a weird move Like when you're just going into the bathroom because it's either I'm rummaging around and don't want someone to hear

or I'm taking a shit at a stranger's house and I don't want anyone to hear. Either way, I'm turning on the water first in the sink. You might be in your mid-60s and it might not be that easy to take a piss at a moment's notice so you need a little bit of, you know, some sound effects. Oh, he's going to, maybe he's putting his hand under the water a little bit, getting his wrist all wet. But no, he's got to take a nap for a second with my hand under the faucet. Yeah, he's in the engine warm up. wait for the for the water to warm up

my prostate is not what it used to be well better check it so in his search of this bathroom he finds a fucking primitive looking fleshlight sex toy that looks like it was invented

by Tim the tool man Taylor I would have you asked me Tim that'd take your dick off when the flesh first of all I saw it I thought it was a like a penis pump And then Austin Power, speaking of Austin Powers, a penis pumpy kind of thing.

But I guess the flashlight existed in the 80s. That's shocking to me. Well, I don't think as the, as the fleshlight corporations such as we know today. People were sticking their dicks and stuff since the start of time. Got it. This thing looks like it's homemade, first of all. It looks like a blowhorn at like one end of it. And then there's like a chicken breast at the end.

I'm really glad we're doing this because when I was watching it, I was derailed for 20 minutes by the sudden I couldn't pay attention to the movie because literally I was like the way that he holds it and everything I was just like okay so he's holding it correctly it's got a handle there that basically looks like a thermos or a mug handle and he's holding it correctly because you can see where the the on switch is right but then I was thinking if you're holding it there you'd have to be like all the way your hand would have to be at your feet to use it how it clearly is meant to be used so then I was thinking do you hold it sideways does Does it spin around like a helicopter blade? Does it suck? Is it a milk? I could not figure out the logistics of this device and it broke my brain for a while. Yes. I think this is a case for MythBusters, by the way.

Oh, definitely. Get the MythBusters team on there. They'd crack it. I mean, like, it does look like, because my first theory here was that that thing. So he's just, there's no mechanism. He's just fucking it. And that is a thermos and it's collecting all. of his seed.

Oh, come on. He can eventually make a humunculus. But that's the thing, too. It's got a nautical theme to it. It's blue and white. Is this for boats? I don't know. It's the one I put on my boat.

I don't know if they designed it in like nautical theme. It would be cool if there's little anchors on it or something. Just a little whale. I mean, it looks like a, like a drill handle or something. Yeah, that's what I thought. It looks like a, yeah, like an electric drill or like an electric screwdriver. And then there's just a weird. chicken breast looking

fleshy thing it's like a part of a foot or something yes I'm going to fuck this foot and either way it was it was the most sympathetic to Charles Bronson character I was when he

is viciously interrogating him and he goes what is this it's for jacking off it's like yeah please tell me what this thing is yeah totally

it was killing him all evening He just couldn't wait to ask this guy. Listen, everybody else leave. He's just, he's going to use it now in front of me. Okay, yes, you use it. He's going to show me how it works. It's driving me fucking crazy.

You've got to show me. He takes out a gun and he's like pointing it at Wilford. Get out of here. Get out of here. I need to know what it looks like. I don't understand. Does it slap his junk around? Where can I get one?

You're telling me they're selling wives now? No, Leo, get out of here. Goddam. You don't want to use it. You don't want to throw away your career like this. No, God damn it. Do you have a booth at the flea market? I would honestly put down some money for companies.

We also needed a scene of him showing it to Wilfred Brimley. Yes. That's, yeah. Now, what is the nautical theme about? Is this the SS come catcher or what? Now, I remember, I remember distinctly that Howard Hughes developed one of these. You would tell me, Wilford, it's the, way of the future. The way of the future, he'd say.

But the way of the future. Yeah, he could say that, but I'm the one removing all the jaws come. You got to wipe those all out too. Oh, man. He escapes. They don't, they don't arrest him here. You know, they're just like, oh, so then you went to the grocery store and they got then they're like, can we also use your phone? I'm like, I'm like, can I make you a fucking sandwich to you, dude? You're coming into my house. Use my fucking bathroom. See, the thing about using the fucking phone, though, dude, and I mean, and you're right, but in 1983, this was just how you checked in. You know? Like, they don't even have pages in this movie. So it's like, better check

in the precinct, see if there's like some sort of development in the case. And wouldn't you know it? They're already under the fact that Karen was murdered. We should say that when he opens that draw poorly, the diary is not there. Because Bronson has already got it. What's hilarious about it is there's a little box, like a cardboard box that says, mine diary. And he opens it and it's empty. Right. So they do bring him in, and it's a lot of, like, Brimley, because does it start with Brimley talking to him, or is it Bronson? Like, you like hurting girls? Well, it's Bronson is in the room with him, but Brimley, and the two girls from the theater come back for this. Oh, oh, right. Yeah.

And they come back literally to be brought in, and Brimley is like, okay, you're coming in. And she comes in. And then the killer is like, oh, no, they're not my type. They're ugly. And he's like, oh, okay, you can leave now, ladies. You've been called. by the killer, you may leave now. They identify that he was there at the movie theater to very, very specific details, including that he was wearing designer jeans. Uh-oh. He was very cute. He's got a fire look in that movie theater

scene. He's got this red member's only jacket and red jeans. It's wasn't red jeans? Yeah, they're like rust colored, I'd call it. You got to dress as obnoxiously as possible for that exact reason, though, because then when they get to the precinct, it's like, oh, that's definitely that guy. He was

wearing those stylish red jeans. He stood out. With that red jacket. Yeah, totally. But, yeah, so he confirms everything. And Bronson goes fucking nuts. This is the, it's for jacking off, isn't it? Also, at one point does he procure his sex toy? Does he take it with him? When he uses the bathroom?

Wait, they didn't, did the issue the Warren yet? Maybe not. No, okay, that's right. When they get him, I guess, they search his place. I think I might be, I think I'm in my head of myself. Yeah, the warrant hasn't had. happened yet. This is just them interrogating it. It's, it's Charles Bronson took the fleshlight machine out from under the guy's sink and put it down

his own pants to smuggle it out, I guess. He left an IOU there. I owe you one weird sex machine. Just to be like, this guy's a pervert. He's the one. There is a moment where Bronson's talking to him about his past, his

troubles with law enforcement there. At 12 years old, he broke a neighbor's window with a dead cat. He threw their dead cat through the window because the little girl that lived there wouldn't like go out with him and then you know he was also a kid at this time but that is like fucking Jeffrey Dahmer shit right

yeah that's like a Huckabee son story oh absolutely well I mean this guy is kind of modeled after Dahmer or yeah or Bundy sorry yeah you mean Huckabee yeah oh yeah it's a Bundy situation is what I mean to say and they also said Richard Speck because I think

Richard Speck was the guy who famously was the guy who killed women naked. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And also it's a nice combo killer. It's pretty cool. Yeah, I mean any serial killer-y stuff we're all throwing it at the at the wall. And it's fine, but it's also sort of like, it's not

really a serial killer movie either because at this point the daughter shows up and is she's like, oh, I remember this guy, right? She has a picture of him. Is that the idea? She realizes like at some point later in the movie and it's totally fine to just

jog ahead here. But yeah, she's like, oh, she's saying to Paul because this is where she comes to the police station and it's like, no daughter here, you fucking liar. So Paul comes out and they're talking and this is where she's like, oh, yeah, well, I just was stopping

by because I remembered where I saw the guy from the funeral and she holds up a picture and it's like all of them together and that dude was there. And the guy is like, Paul is like, well, what do you remember about him? And she's basically like, well, not a whole lot. I mean, He was a real fucking creep, though, and we had no idea why he was there.

Oh, it was because it was a, it was a work, it was like the office, it was like an office picnic. Yeah, company picnic kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and she specifically says something along the lines of like, I remember Betty thought that he was scary or that she was scared of him, that she had a bad vibe towards him. So that's kind of like the news that she's supposed to be giving. Right, right, right. That's the best scene when he's, they're reading the diary to him and they're giving the conversation. Like, Bronson's like almost dancing while this is happening.

He's like, no, no, no, keep on going. He was a loser you was saying. Let's go. Yeah. Oh, yes. Piece of shit he was. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that moment when he's reading through the diary and he's describing all

these dates she went on. And then he gets to the entry where he goes, yeah, there was this creep that asked me to the company picnic and he wouldn't leave me alone. He was such a fucking weirdo. I said, get the fuck away from me. and Bronson he just totally revels at it he's just like you know who that one's about

I'll give you a hint and he doesn't even give him a hint he just says you bitch he called me up again last night wouldn't I wouldn't go out with him if he was the last man alive you know who that is that's you and Bronson has a smile like he just

met Big Bird for the first time he just loves berating this man who he has no idea that this guy is the killer at this point And even in the interrogation, he's like, hey, man, when's the last time he made it with a girl? Oh, right. Yes. Was it last week?

Was it last month? Was it last year? You ever had sex for it? Hey, it's something like, it was never, wasn't it? Let me guess. We got ourselves a virgin here. L-O-L. In cell.

Yeah, so that's why he's mad. But we should mention that in that interrogation scene, he starts, like, beating this dude and Brimley has to tear him off. And then Charles Bronson says to Wilford, and everyone else in attendance, that the way the law protects those maggots out there, it's like they're an endangered species. Sure. It's another nice

80s grandstanding law enforcement line. Totally. Yeah, he follows that one up immediately with I remember when legal meant lawful. Now it means loophole. I was like, good one man.

You have the makings of a great cop. All of a sudden, I have to put people on trial, and they are innocent until proven what? That's ridiculous. That one's the fake one. It's got to be fake. That's not real. And what's so funny about that, too, is that Thompson already nailed that movie.

That's just Cape Fear. Yeah. Like, that whole movie is essentially a series of, you know, inky, sweaty suspense sequences tied together by the idea of Robert Mitchum able to weaponize the legal system to basically walk up all the way to that one. fine, but still, you know, sort of activate his instincts of sex and rage and violence within that legal framework. And it's so funny that Charles Brodson is basically just saying, again, he's saying something that could be a really troubling contradiction or something. But he just, again, completely affectless. Yep. Just like, legal now means a loophole.

Yep, that's it. Next, man. So this dude is stalking the daughter Outside of the nursing hospital She's a nursing student So the nursing college that she's at Was getting some vibes here Of hospital thriller

Visiting Hours Oh yeah The Canadian horror film I wrote Halloween too in my notes as well Oh interesting Yeah yeah yeah So you know this guy's like trying to get her But realizes like she's just with her group of friends

So you see him realize like oh, they live in this dormitory, so now he knows where she lives. And because it's 1983, he knows the phone number immediately to call from the phone booth to get, to get going on the obscene phone calls. This is, this is

peak. I have to talk about the cafeteria scene. Yes. Oh, sure. So, Bronson is online, and he gets up to the cashier. I love this part. I love it. And he's got a fucking Kish, and what's, and like a Coleslaw. Coleslaw. And

like he's like he's like eish i thought it was a pie what's happened with pie they used to serve pie here could you get me some pie could you make a pie back there are you my mother but there is the line that he hates keesh and this is you know that whole like toxic masculinity thing like i feel like this is even happening now in the tim allen sitcoms that he's been on like geish is no go but he's the one that picked it out and then he's like oh coleslaw that upsets my ulcer or whatever.

He doesn't know what food is. He doesn't know what food is. It's like, oh, I got this half a pound of ham. I thought it were a lasagna. What is this fancy European coleslaw? Excuse me, Maas command? Yeah, I picked

the wrong body. Apparently, I'm a cop and I have to do things. Excuse me, young lady. Could you show me where the beef mariner is? I'm your daughter. I'm your daughter. Could you please just... Where's the beef? I'm allergic to, oh my gosh, I can't believe this.

I picked up a chocolate bar, which I'm allergic to, and four doorknobs. Oops. Like, he does no idea. Like, it doesn't make any sense why you would get Kish and Kohl-Slaw if you hate both of those things. I grabbed a pile of bees. That was a mistake. Hang on as, like, it, though. See, if you're leaving out the fact that it's way more fucked up, that he consciously, what he thinks,

is getting a piece of pie and a side of coleslaw. Yeah, that's also a good point. What kind of pairing does he think that is? And then he walks over to the table with them and he's like, this place is an Ulcerfax. Oh, Ulcerfax. I'm like,

you're in a fucking school cafeteria, asshole. What do you want right now? And he starts eating a newspaper like a hot dog. Like, it doesn't make, this dude does not know what food is. I'm just going to jaw on this tin can for a while. Evening addition He just pulls his pants down and starts Wandering towards the exit

While chewing on newspaper Yeah and I have a feeling that these are the scenes that are supposed to ground him And make him relatable So that then you get to the part where he gets unhinged But there's this weird thing where just he can't He has one mode Yes He's always just kind of like present

But not present And so you're just left that like He has the exact same reaction to picking up a key as he does to point-blank executing someone. Josh, I think this is a great point because I think that this scene is written as he's an aloof dad. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. But it's funny because I don't, I think the thing is, so the first obscene phone call happens first. Yes. So then when we cut to this cafeteria scene, I'm like, oh, okay. So like she called and was like, hey, this dude was getting nasty on the phone and whatnot. You know, let's come. I'm going to call your mother and I'm going to get nasty.

on the phone. The other girl wouldn't tell me what the guy was saying. Will you tell me what you're saying? The thing is she paid for an SAT course book, Andrew, and didn't actually give it the money of the priest. The priest said to call her and say, I'm going to call your mother and get nasty on a phone. I'm going to call your dead friend.

But it's weird because you think like that's why they're there. Then it doesn't come up at all. He's just showing up like while on the club. to be like, I care about what you're doing with your life. And then after all of this, like she invites Paul to a party on campus, all of this stuff. And then she's like, oh, by the way, dad, I got this obscene phone call. And I was like, lead with that, please. Well, that's the thing is Paul is negging the shit out of this lady right here.

Because he's just like, she's like, oh, Paul, do you want to go to this party? He's like, not on your life, ugly. And then she's like, oh, by the way, dad, I got this obscene phone calls. I was like, oh, I guess I will go for my fucking job. I think well, yeah, that's an interesting thing because he's eyeing Bronson the whole time to be like, are you cool with

this? And I think he's trying to like play it like respectfully or whatever. I mean, the funniest part about all of this is that she leaves before the two of them and they're just sitting there like well, I guess we'll just continue eating lunch in this nurse's college cafeteria. What are you doing?

By the way, one of her friends is Kelly Preston. Kelly Preston is one of the She's one of the first murdered at the end too dude Yeah she's the first one murdered Oh she opens the door Yeah oh Jesus RIP by the way you will forget that she passed away

Yeah that's fucking unbelievable Poor Travolta I also really love that They aren't even that upset about the idea Of the obscene phone call Until she goes I don't know but he had a Spanish accent In the Kill Bill Siren

They're like We should get into the actual phone call which is crazy. Oh, it's like, you know, he says something in Spanish and she's like, what does that mean? And he's like, it means fucking eating your pussy. I go to your house. And he's doing this like really bad, like, quote unquote Mexican accent.

Like, you're like, that means I go through your house and then I fucked you in the ass. And then you suck my dick. And it's like, okay, moving. And I love to, on the second call, like, obviously they are monitoring the call now because McCann is at the party with her with the student nurses. and she's just trying to like keep them going and it's just again the most like whatever suits you amigo she actually says amigo also like mccan going to this dance party with her it's sort of like when mel gibson kept trying to fuck danny glover's kids and leave the weapon yes did he ever actually go to a party

with one of those kids mel Gibson he would just show up at their house and start flirting and touching the oldest daughter there at this party yeah like he's like a cop and he's like sweating and then he's like I can't breathe in here or whatever and then there's this It's getting too hot

Yes There's this light about Too many nurses There's this light about the cocaine And this guy's like what no no No nothing's wrong Like no it's fucking great Because like when they cut to the party

Like it's the middle of the dance where he's already sweating profusely And I just started laughing And then she's like Well just take your jacket It's actually a moment of comedy that works in the movie. She's like, we'll take your jacket off. And he's like, well, they're dancing and talking over music.

And he's like, I can't, because I got a gun on me. Like, everybody in the party's like, the fuck. I have to keep doing this. I got to keep on dancing. I'm sorry. I can't do it. And to hammer home the comedy, the music cuts right when he says that. Right when he says gun.

So he's just the random guy in the middle of the party yelling gun. And then he's like trying to play it cool or whatever. He's like, uh, don't do any. cocaine or shoot any heroin Ha ha ha ha ha ha. And then he hears a girl screaming. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so he barges in because, but the girl is actually

just screaming from sex and he barges in with a gun. And for some reason his immediate instinct is to just point the gun at the couple having sex. And they all obviously both scream and they're like, oh, we're not doing anything, we're not doing anything. It's like the gun was his cock. And then he immediately tries to diffuse it. Well, we're also

fucking on a laundry machine, which is a bit much. Yeah. I mean, listen, everybody like you're on a college campus you don't have to fuck at the party go to a dormitory or an apartment and fuck there's always a bit there's always a room right well it's just disgusting or the horny police

is going to break in I've heard of tumbled dry low but trumble wet no I don't know what you get somewhere tumble dry I appreciate the attempt dude thank you but just like Paul's first instinct is to point

a gun at this couple Jaley Thompson first instinct is to put the camera right up the guy's asshole. Yes, it is. It's kind of great. It's like writhing back and forth in the wind. Well, I'm surprised they didn't do the gag of like the washing machine

was on. You figure that would have been something. There are a lot of breasts in this film, so I appreciate that we get male cheeks more often than not. It's nice to see a little bit of balance there. Well, also it's good to variety because the other one is very

lean meat. This one's a little bit more. question, you know? Totally. This guy's just a lazy college student. Yeah. The reaction though is fucking great because the guy, I mean he comes in, you know, uh, showing his gun because he's an American police officer and that's just what they do.

Sure. So, but then when he realizes like what's happening, he's like, oh, I'm terribly sorry. Carry on and closes the door. And the two of them are like, okay. And they go to like get back on the, it's so fucking funny. Oh, I loved it. Yeah, they leave that

split second in before Thompson cuts away of him, like, throwing her back on the watch. Yeah, yep, totally. Uh, so he, he walks her home. Yeah, then there's the second phone call, and it is a funny thing where, like, if you ever try, I mean, not that I knew, not that I would know, but

like, uh, why you get an obscene phone call, and then you just give the guy enough rope to hang himself, like, so yeah, what would you do? It's like, where do you want to meet? Uh, uh, fuck you, I'll kill you, dumb idiot. Well, this is one of the things is, like, I wouldn't piss on you. I wouldn't piss on your best parts if you were begging for it.

Yes. What do you mean you have warts on your ass? Why don't you talk more about having warts on your ass? Also, one of the initial lines is I, and this is like, they're recording it now, right? Like Paul McCann is like, yeah,

taping it. I'd love to stick it to you. Your father is a pig. Yeah. It's like you're piecing it together. Like, this guy knows what's up. Yeah.

Which is funny because when you see Bronson, they cut to Paul like playing him the tape that's the part that he hangs up on and disgust it's like and your father's a pig and he's like God damn it they go to Brimley with this information like I want to bring

him back in and the idea is like no well this is when again he's like well McCann what do you think you're like nine years old and it's like I don't know whatever Charles Bronson says well Brimley does say then bring him like get a warrant and bring

a man. And prior to this scene, we get the pot smoking scene in the bottom of the evidence. It's not prior at all. It's right where we're at it, right? Well, then I watched the movie out of order. Oh, maybe the Brimley scene happens later because they because it does cut almost immediately to Bronson because he realizes

what's going on when Paul plays him the tape and it's like, well, you know, let's see what's good. But then it does cut right to this lab technician smoking the weed. It's after Paul is like, oh, by the way, Charles Brown your daughter's pretty special and he's like yes

yes she is close the door will you allow me to keep killing just random people thank you yes you may date my daughter thank you don't mind because listening to that tape gets him riled up which is what then leads him to go

and decide that he is going to plant the very specific blood type onto the man's clothes and we do get I do like some of the these elements where we do get the procedural element of him having to steal that blood. Yes.

So, like, there is that scene with the weed smoking technician or whatever. He looks like a port-uparity mark camel. By the way, sorry. Yes. Yeah, when him and McCann are side by side in the same scene as each other, I actually briefly got killed. If it wasn't for the lab coat.

They both have way too much hair. Yeah, it's very moppy. Way too big. Did everyone catch the, like, I think it's Bronson's best line in the movie right here though when he walks in and like the dude I think the technician might have like headphones on or something so he doesn't notice that Bronson's right

there and then it's like oh fuck you know and he puts it away and whatever and Bronson just goes smells like pretty good stuff oh man I would get stoned and I would eat gravy with broken glass delicious I got the munchies

oh I've got the munchies pretty bed, I'm eating this bag of tax. You know, I used to execute guys who dealt this in the park and then I smoke it on my own time. Those were good days. That's, well, I mean, and the dude

kind of, you know, makes reference to that, because Bronson says something about like, oh, are you like smoking, like something that got taken in? Or maybe Paul McCann asked the guy that or something. And he's like, well, the guys come in, they make a big bust and, well, they usually burn all of it and it's like you

I thought I'd burn some of it myself but there's like Charles Brons is like I don't see any evidence like you can go you can like so he he came down to drop off the tape that was recorded on the phone to compare it with the interrogation tape I guess oh right yes

and then while that guy is getting the tapes together he goes into the room and steals that specific blood type right right right and yeah because the idea is that the voices being slightly similar at least an intonation if not an accent

will be enough to get him the warrant and then through the warrant they will find the bloody shirt that he's about to play it right right right and so I think they like play it for Brimley in the whole room and everything and it's like all right like go get him kind of a thing and this is when Jeffrey Lewis

enters the movie fucking finally yeah he was in the credits of where the fuck's Jeffrey Lewis he was I mean it takes so long to get to him that I forgot he was in the movie yeah totally I love him whenever he popped up he's the best man so good the wig is a bit much in this film guys the wigs a lot but i think it you know it speaks to what eric i think you were saying maybe off the air but like he's supposed to be like a scuzzy defense attorney so exactly yeah he's supposed to be like the worst part of society

he is that loophole that legal means now like this guy is worse than the criminals in charles bronson's mind and we also like for a while we're watching this movie and we're like like Charles Bronson's wrong like this guy like even though this guy's a murder he deserves a defense but then eventually we get that scene with Jeffrey Lewis where he's saying like well you know we say not guilty now eventually we could still plead insanity and this kind of fuels his motivation for the final scene where he reiterates this stuff oh I was two different people right right right right right there was a bad boy telling me what to do I hear voices defense attorney was telling me what to do The dog told me to do it.

But yes, they arrested for the obscene phone call and like, you know, Jeffrey Lewis is like, oh, I'll plead this out for three weeks. And then he's like, actually, it's murder one because I planted evidence. I mean, because we've found evidence. He freaks out to Jeffrey Lewis right here. I love it. It's just like, he's lying, he's lying, he's lying. And then he just goes, no, like fucking losing his mind.

Because he has an excellent tantrum in that. He's just about to say, I know it because I had my cock out when I killed. Oh, damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it. Well, we found some type 8 pubs on her. You have type 8. Before DNA, we just, we categorized pubs by types. Listen, McCann, there's 10 simple rules to dating my daughter. You let me plant evidence.

You let me kill people. You let me kill people. You let me plan evidence. You let me kill people. That used to be a grocery store. That was a pharmacy. Also, you run interference with the fuzz so that I can keep doing this. You let me kill people in the pharmacy.

And so this is, there's a weird part here. So like, it's the next day and they're going to do the prearrayment thing. And, you know, they're talking about how good their case is and blah, blah, blah. And as they're walking out, he's like, oh, I'm going to. to take my daughter away off to wherever. I'm going to drive her home. And then McCann gets confronted by Jeffrey Lewis. And Jeffrey Lewis is like, hey, I'm going to call you as a witness tomorrow at the preliminary

hearing to say, because I know that something is off here and you're going to have to either perjure yourself or tell the truth. And then he gets a call. He gets a call, McCann, that night from the daughter, like, hey, I haven't seen you in so long. What's been going on? He's like, well, I've got a new partner in a different case. I'm like, what movie am I watching anymore?

It was like a bizarre either edit or cut or whatever. I don't know. It almost feels like the movie has ended. And this third act is like this weird like 30 minute continuation. Yes. Totally. Did you notice, by the way, when when Jeffrey Lewis like runs outside the courtroom to tell McCann, like, you better tell the truth and all that shit, they have this whole thing. And Jeffrey Lewis is like playing it as he's almost.

playing it as if this dude was like listen I fucking straight up killed this woman but here's the way I do it all the time so there's no way that blood was on my clothes kind of everything because he seems to know a little more than he's letting on

but he basically tells Paul like you better tell the truth or you'll perjure yourself blah blah blah and walks away amazing extras alert in the background it looks and it makes total sense that this is a canon production Lord knows there was probably a lot of guerrilla filmmaking, no fucking permits to be found. Because they're on a sidewalk, like, in L.A.

and Paul walks away, and Jeffrey Lewis is left in the shot, and he kind of like moves out of the frame. And there's these three women walking, and you sort of see them like mid-stride, like, realize there's a camera there and be like, oh, can we walk through you? Like, they're stopped, sort of like

conferring with each other, and then like, ah, fuck it. And they like start walking. Great, great extra action here. I loved it. I might go back for that. That sounds really good. You got to do it, dude, yeah. They had to cut out when Golan came in and said, yes, yes, would you get naked on camera, please? All three of you, please, naked.

I'm propositioning for a different film. And so basically... Paul confirms, he goes to the lab technician and confirms. He's like, all right, he was here the whole time with you. Yeah, he was here the whole time. And he's got to be like, no, what I'm asking, man, is like, you had eyes on him the whole time. and he's like, well, yeah, except when that time I went in the back closet.

Oh, okay. But when you came out, he was right here. Well, no, he was actually coming out of that blood room over there. He's like, got it, okay. That's where we keep all the blood. He closed the door and said, the perfect crime. I don't know if that's important or not. He actually came in twirling his mustache and laughing.

You know, I didn't think of it at the time, but now that I'm looking back, pretty nefarious. Nobody would believe a reefer addict. You know, he came out and he just kept on muttering, I am God. So I don't know what's what that's about. And then the next day, right before he's about

to go in, McCann pulls Bronson aside and he's like, listen, I know you planted the evidence, I have to tell on you. And it's, again, to Josh's point, like, this is a scene that should have some weight, but Bronson is reading a grocery list. just being like, well, they deserve what they get these criminals.

Okay, I guess I'm going to throw my life away. Well, because you would think that this would be the huge moral quandary of the film, the same way it is in Cape Fear, is like, I'm going to do something bad, but we know that this dude is the killer, right? And his partner is going, I'm not as certain as you are. So the scene should be huge. And instead, it is just like, Bronson's like, you know what? All right, we won't do it.

Which is so insane. If I looked at that in the script that I was reading, I would be like, where did that come from? But McCain is such like a Boy Scout here. He's like, because Charles Bronson's like, well, you know they're going to lie. Like Stacey's not going to tell the truth. And he's like, well, he didn't take the policeman's oath. I'll have you remember. And it's like, that's fucking fantasy, kid.

Oh, that's not real. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, that old thing. remember lying about that too it is you think the criminals swear it's kind of hilarious it's my cousin minnie s because the prosecutor is going through his opening statement and Bronson's like

hey I'm over here it's kind of great because he's like he's going through you know it's the opening arguments he's just going through all the different ways he's going to prove the case and he's like and the biggest bombshell your honor is that we have blood on the clothes

of this guy and Bronson's like stepping up like actually come over here so I spent $4,000 on this ridiculous suit to appeal to you it's

almost at this point like Charles Bronson his life is forfeit he's an older guy he's going to sacrifice his career so that his partner can stay on the force and there's no contradiction there maybe eventually get with his daughter and then it becomes just a blood vendetta like we're going to hell tonight it's a totally different movie all of a sudden absolutely how is it that he just loses his job

right i mean i mean i guess we should say the corrupt institution itself right maybe he probably wouldn't but i was sitting there going he went to the judge and said hey you know that evidence this is all based on i've planted all of it right it's not like this thing where they go we're going to have a mistrial for reasons we're not going to specify he goes to the judge Yeah, I think he should, in reality, you should get a promotion. That would be more. Again, there's no Brimley scene who's like, all right, it's a suspension or like, you know what? Listen, we're just going to, we're kind of cover it up for you or anything.

Oh, listen, what we're going to do is going to do an old-fashioned murder wrestle. Me and you, buddy, we're going to get into a pit of dirt and water, and then whoever survives is the new chief. All right, God damn it. Now, I do not necessarily disson. agree with your practice about planting blood. I thought that was actually pretty sharp. So what we're going to do, the heats on you, you admitted it in front of a judge

for some reason. So we're going to have to do what I call God damn it, the old Catholic church switcheroo. Why did the lawyers even let you go up there? I don't understand. Yeah, that is hilarious, too. It's this prosecutor, it's

Jeffrey Lewis, and then also Charles Bronson all approaching the bench. Well, because I I think the prosecutor is so embarrassed. Like, no, you tell him. I'm not, I'm not going to tell him. Tell him what you just told me. No, I'm not going to do it. I also love, too, that this is, like, obviously filmed a little bit, like, a courtroom drama.

So they have that obligatory scene after this is over, where they have all the reporters interviewing the people that they're leaving. And this is where we have, like, the reporters go up and they were like, wow, what a turn of events? What do you think? And, like, obviously, Warren is basically like, well, you know what? I think that he should be the one in jail because he's breaking laws. And then they go up to Charles Bronson. And he's like, you should go fuck yourself. It's so awesome.

And it's like. And he's watching himself on the TV at home doing it. So he gets like bleeped out. It's, oh, they cut my best line. And then it's like, oh, I'm getting drunk with my daughter here. We're going to go to the Betfair casino now. I can play in my under's ways. It is so ridiculous because she's like, she's wasted, but like super excited.

And she's like, it's the first time I'm getting drunk with dad. And he's like, maybe you should go home. Mainly because I don't want to listen to this. And he drops her off. And then he realizes, yes, like Eric said, it's blood vendetta time. And it's totally different movie. It's almost like the plot of dirty work or something. Yes, dude.

Yes, he's dirty working this guy. He's fucking with him at work. He's putting up nude crime scene photos. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap. Revenge Incorporated. being all the way and it's not only him it's also uh warred like

he calls him on the phone and he goes he starts going to forgive his divine they say but I don't aspire to being an angel you know what I mean and they just like them like at the traffic stop and like and Charles Bronson just being like

we're going to race cars now because we're on a feud that's my favorite him chasing them at him like following him but it doesn't look like Bronson's even driving the car like his shoulders are like straight like

dude I know it's kind of great like he's like driving with mind control or something the best part is it's not like he's not doing like the rev in the engine at the red light it's like he pulls up slowly like how's it going and kind of just keeps annoyingly

driving alongside it like eh this is fun I don't remember which episode it was but one of some I think Andrew you call called him he looks at a jack-a-lantern face and he does in this scene he's got this like serene smile like trying to intimidate him and he looks like a pumpkin it's like a pumpkin he's doing his version of that luigi mario cart like evil glare face that they did he has a line because the after the the drunken uh i'm going to walk my daughter home real quick uh the guy stacey

calls him and they have a thing and he goes uh be seeing you mr kessler I already goes, likewise, Mr. Stacey, which is fucking great. But I think it's that exchange that I was like, oh, here comes a completely different movie. That's like he's in a Western now. Yes, dude, totally. This is when, so he fucks with him at work. And I kind of wanted it to be a little dueling. So, like, Bronson, he fucks with him at work.

And then, like, Bronson goes to, like, do his laundry. And then everything is pink for some reason. He's like, that rotten, Stacy, I cannot believe it. Who put this red hat? in with my whites. Oh, son of a bitch, look at this. All of the recyclables are just in the garbage can. I'm going to get

fined by my HOA. Oh, oh, no, there is a bag on fire in front of my home. Better step on it. Oh, that duty again, Mr. Stacy. It's a blood for you, dude. Oh,

man. And so it does kind of just ramp up here. Paul like drives up to him at one point he's like Bronson is parked outside this guy's house and then Paul pulls up and I didn't understand what was going on here but he's basically like hey we we know down at the precinct like you're fucking with this guy yeah you've got like the weird blood feud could you please not do anything here hey Bronson you know we have other crimes that have to be solved it wasn't just this one we're not done forever do I have to remind you of the 10 simple rules to dating my daughter Number nine, blood feud. It is so weird, though, because the thing that Bronson is sitting in the car waiting for, I mean, this is the funniest. I don't know what this was, but I'm going to give him a little bit of a scare because, like, the guy comes home from wherever he is, opens the door.

And Bronson has said it so that, like, when the door opens, the stereo turns on. Yes. The fuck is that. It's home alone. Totally. It's like, oh, God, him turned it up real loud and spooked him. Your landlord is going to have a word with you tomorrow. This has just turned into neighbors.

So, you know, the whole thing obviously comes to Warren's going to go on the hunt again. His cover this time is he's picked up a prostitute and they're going to go to a hotel and have some fun. And so I love Bronson having to like get information out of another sex worker that's standing there. They're like, hey, that girl you would just stand in with, where does she? She normally, you know, he pays the woman off and she's like, oh, it's either like this hotel or that hotel. And she's like, oh, $10? Yeah, you can kill my friend. She's usually at.

Like, you know what I mean? Like that is not information you want to give away out. By the way, do you have a seniors rate? I love the sleazy motel proprietor that he's also able to bribe very easily. But this is also, this is a job that millennials took from us too. right like sleazy hotel proprietors yeah totally dude no one's frequenting them anymore that would have been my out dude that would have been that was my retirement yeah i think i think there's too many kids spending so much money on coffee that they're not taking hookers to fucking hotel rooms anymore

no you know what the problem is is that used to be a career now it's like a contract job yeah you only have a year and then you can get a new one a new sleazy guy to come now everybody's just fucking When I grow up, I want to be Dennis Franz in Psycho 2. Oh, that is a class A scumbag motel proprietor. I was going to bring up one of my all to, it's in the Hall of Fame of Scumbag hotel proprietors is the guy who's working the desk and basket case. Oh, yeah. That guy, it's just, it's gross, it's gross, and it's gross.

Did you notice who this dude is, this old bastard in this movie? I did not. he's uh oh fuck he's in um oh man he's in the wedding singer really yeah it's just like you know old bastard number four he's just one of those guys he's got a funny face i could see that he looks like he's been 87 since like the bicentennial yes you know um it's that guy so yeah he's like oh yeah room three whatever goes in we've seen a scene uh with stacey and the sex worker already uh where he's like oh here have some bourbon and she's like yeah uh i should shouldn't be drunk for this kind of work. And he's like, oh, you know, just a little bit. So, of course, that means she's been drugged. She's out for the count. When Bronson walks in, like, oh, no, he's it again.

I think he kills her. I think it's poison. I don't know. No, I think this is another thing where it's like, oh, you fell asleep. Now you can go, prostitute. I think he's setting up. There is a reference earlier in the film. One of his alibis, I guess, previously was being with a prostitute in a motel room. and almost said Paul

Kersey Charles Brons and asked McKend you believe that too? You believe that? Yeah. So I think this is another, I think he's done this before. Yeah,

we're finally just getting a look at the actual process of how he previously did it before, which is I think it is that he just knocks her out and his idea is that she's going to be out for a few hours and he's going to come back, she's going to wake up and be like, did we have a good time?

He's going to be like, yeah, we did. He asked for a wake-up call in three hours from the desk guy. Oh, I missed that line. Oh, okay, cool. He's also not naked. If he's not naked, he wouldn't kill people. He needs to have to run.

He has the line too. I think he's trying to play it like, oh, you fell asleep because he says to her, like, I'm going to take a shower. And she's like, look at this motel. Like, what's that going to do? You know, and he's like, I like to be clean and he goes in there and that's when she falls asleep. So it's like a, oh, I was just, now I'm getting out of the shower and you must have

fell asleep while I was doing that. It all makes much more sense after you deal with the movie theater one, which you don't really know what's going on, and it's very confusing. And this is like, oh, that's how he creates the M.O. So, you know, we cut to him. He's fucking stripped bare-ass naked. Once again, he's got a big old bouquet of flowers.

He's going to this dormitory to raise him out. What I'm going to say, what's weird, too, is that he's actually in the suit while he's holding the flowers for most of that. He's not actually naked until she opens the door. And you're like, where did he have the time? He knocks twice and starts like, oh, Jesus Christ. And he starts, like, doing it. Oh, I forgot.

Oh. There should have just been a bunch of cutaway scenes of him making a A Velcro away pull away Tuxedo that he just like That would be great Oh yeah And this is the part Yeah and well and this scene too is pretty effectively like cross cut

Because it is it's basically it's Charles Bronson Very slowly realizing That he has found an alibi in the middle of the alibi And then he starts realizing holy crap If he's not here then I know where he is and that's when he's going downstairs to call. And the way that this is crosscut between him going back to the school where he's going to go and kill Kessler's daughter and her nurse friends and everything, there is an effective

moment where he does reach them on the phone. And he's like, don't open the door. Yeah. Don't do it. It plays so great. It is. And they instantly open the door. It's fantastic.

Yeah, because it's cut to then the fish eye lens of her looking through at the flowers, being like, oh, it's a guy with flowers. It's so nice. Karate or no karate. This is not a big guy. He's totally naked. Start fucking making moves on those testicles and you've got him. He's very exposed testicles. I think you've got another great point within that point is he should be karate kicking these girls to death. That's, I mean, yeah, you set up karate, he never uses it.

Here's the thing unless he's lying about the karate. Oh, shit. Unless he just, he got himself like a ghee, you know. Stolen valor, dude, exactly. He had some buddy of his, take a photo of him. you know, and then he got it printed on a poster. I'm a karate champion. If you ever see like a guy in a karate guy in a karate guy at like the mall or something, you should walk up to me and be like, yeah, what unit? What unit?

I was stationed in karate. What unit? Well, you know that he's lying because he got that he got the poster in black and white. So any dark color, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's black. I'm a black belt is what I am. Yeah, for sure. You're right though, Steve. You got to be fucking grabbing nuts, dude.

I mean, come on. Just mash them up. His dick is dangling this whole crime. Rip, rip. Well, yeah, but you know what? It's also kind of genius, because if a naked man was running at me, I would be so shocked. Yeah, that's fair. The image itself, which, which, which I will give some credit to the film.

It is actually kind of weird to watch, like, stalker scenes where the guy is just naked. Like, you're kind of thrown off by it a little bit. He seems a little too vulnerable to be doing what he's about to be doing. And then he just, he really does go off. And Thompson does film it, like, you know, with these sort of, like, silhouette so you can't see stuff. but it also is just kind of creepy at the same time and also watching him just get blood all over like his legs and everything like that as he's like screaming.

I like that effect a lot. It's totally great. And I think what's winning about this formula is like he doesn't just do that once. You know, there wasn't some situation where he happened to be naked. Like that is built into the DNA of this killer is like, I can't kill unless I'm nude. He's the birthday suit bandit. Yes. Oh, man.

So, yeah, so I guess this is Kelly Preston who's murdered immediately. Yes. And so he kind of like stomps in. There's a woman who's about to get in the shower, a third woman with short hair, and then the daughter. Third woman is Liza Minnelli. It looks exactly like Liza. Oh, my God. I thought the same exact thing, dude.

She could have been like her stunt double. Don't kill me. Don't do it. Well, before we kill her, Joel Gray has got to introduce her. That's a cabaret joke Murder, slaughter, killing today. So she's murdered. Then, like, the woman, we'll call her Niza Minnelli, not Liza here.

Bidlittledit Titty, two murders, Bidlili Tiddy, two murders. She is like, oh, you know, who your look, Katie or whatever her name is, is like, oh, you know, she's not here. She's at class or, you know, whatever. She's at the hospital. Lori? Lori, yeah, you're right. Yeah, it's his daughter, Lori.

Yeah, I think she's doing a night shift or something like that, but they try to say. She's working at the hospital right now. This is a dormitory right next to the hospital. Go to the hospital. Kill those. Those people are already dead. Some of those might not have a lot of time anyway. There's a whole crop of people you can murder over there.

But then he sees, like, the woman in the shower pulling the, the, the, howl off the door. Not a great move. No, not at all. But like, you know, this other not Liza needs to be like, listen, you're not going to believe me, but that's definitely not her. That's a different. Miranda, she's always

in the shower. Like, look, there's, do you see oddly, sir? After I explain it, you're going to think it's funny. There's four beds in this dorm room, like right in the same common room. It's a very weird, like, we're almost in the army kind of dorm here. Like, look, there's four beds, buddy. There's four women who live here. That's not, you know, so he just opens the door and murders this woman without

thinking. Look, I'll be honest. I don't know why she just did that. I don't know why she would pull the towel right when I'm about to be slaughtered. And then he's got this weird thing. And I do think that the actor who plays Stacy's pretty good. You know what? He goes back to her. And he's like, why'd you make me kill her? Why'd you be? Why'd you lie and make me kill her? She's just like, I don't know, man. I'm under a lot of stress right now. You're naked. Yes. It's like, why didn't you tell me that wasn't her kind of thing and then this is also one of the best filmmaking moments because she is basically just screaming and again the way that umpson does this scene it's closer to what he was doing with his actual slasher which is he really draws this one out where it's a lot of time

spent just anticipating the move that he's going to make and the people screaming while they're waiting for it to happen and this woman is just screaming being like i don't know why i didn't say anything you kind of caught me off guard you know she's screaming at the top of her lungs but the imagery is a shot reverse shot of a close-up of Stacey's face as he's just glaring at her and screaming. First, screaming back, but it is actually a dirty over-the-shoulder shot where his butt is the over-the-shoulder. And what he does is in order to depict him killing her, because again, this isn't a pretty particularly graphic slasher. It's mostly through implication. he actually

basically pans the camera so that his out of focus butt is the entire frame and then she stops screaming so we get the point of view of a death from his ass muffled by a butt I've never seen it done quite that way before

no definitely not how the masters do it I do love but also like and Lori is just watching all this like and obviously she's paralyzed his fear I'm not gonna but you know your cops daughter like grab a knife and start going. Yeah, I don't, because she

has seen it one, this is what I thought was going to happen and I actually couldn't believe it didn't because when the whole sequence starts, she's seen heating up a pot of water she's like good food or something like that and all she does is like turn the kitchen light off I was totally anticipating here comes the boiling pot of water

you know nailing him but she's like just okay I heard one scream or that's two screams three screams okay now all my roommates are dead I can come out of hiding and run away. And then she tries to escape. Then there's cat and mouse.

She tries to escape, but Kelly Press' body is blocking the door. That's such a horrible. It is so bad. Yeah. And then she kind of gets out. There's like a little bit more cat and mousing. And then like, she kind of like sort of just walks out

weirdly, like very obviously. And he attacks her, but it's because she has this hair iron that she burns his face with, which was pretty badass. Don't go high there. Go low. You got a curling iron? Go down there. Fucking roast those nuts, man. Curl those pubs even more. Definitely destroy some nuts. Now, we're on the topic of a lot of nut destruction on this episode.

And we've been circling karate a little bit. And it reminds me, my older brother had like one of those like learn karate from a book type of things. I think it was like ninjitsu, jujitsu, it was just a trash book. And one of the moves in it, I never studied it, but I looked through it. because it's got dudes in karate geese doing weird stuff so you look through it and uh one of them one of the moves was monkey steals the peach and that was like a car there was like a martial artist move to like rip someone's dick off like there's the balls boom monkey steals really yeah fucks at home we got to i mean is this a legit like all the martial artists i know we have listening yes just the singular Listen, this is probably just white guy karate nonsense that doesn't translate in any way, but there was a move of how to rip someone's either shaft or balls off. I'm not completely, I don't really know what the peach was, but back in the day, back in the day and the dicks were actually peach shaped. That's how it was. It's evolved over time, but originally it was. Right. Whenever I see the peach emoji, I'm like, they're talking about dicks. I think you're only allowed to use that move doing karate

if you're a white guy with a Chuck Norse mustache or something. That's the only way that move works. Like you can't put in the code unless you're that player. It's that or you're an outworld battling Shaqan. Oh, yeah, there's a fucking nut kid. Or Goro gets his nuts kick to them. Right. John Cage loves to punch dicks.

You like steal the peach, as they say. He wants to prove the peach. Oh, Jesus. on. So yeah, she runs out the window and he follows her and Bronson's kind of cold on the trail. And Paul is also around. Paul, no.

I don't know what the fuck he's doing. Bronson's kind of like trying to get to the dormitory. She's running down the middle of the street, which a good move by the way, well-lit street in the middle of the night. There's lamps everywhere. That's the move. She's screaming for help. He is chasing after her naked like a fucking Terminator.

It is the funniest thing. Just nude street running. is going like the the speed of a car he is full out sprinting that dong is whipping back and forth and the funniest part is is that we are cross cut with uh

Charles Bronson who is but you know he's doing a light job he's still got his blazer on he's doing a little he's doing a little he's moving his way through it's like I might miss the bus and Stacy's running for his life meanwhile Stacy's dick is a

fucking windshield wiper on his fucking abdomen. It's insane. I mean, he catches up to him, which makes, there's no way. No way. He comes from the other direction. He's got the strength of a jaguar and he's running through the streets. I mean, I think it's a thing where Bronson, he just

is coming from a different way because she's running and he like catches her. Like, so they're face to face. And then he's like, not so fast. And yeah, they're all held up here and everything. Oh, you know what? I know this used to be a pharmacy. so if I cut through here

and then cut through this other used to be a pharmacy I will get them off cut them off at the pass oh yeah I've just cut through the parking lot of what used to be a liquor store slash check cashing facility

that is a way better theory I was sitting here thinking that he's just really lucky that they ran in a storehouse you know this bridge used to be owned by a man who was a morphine addict killed his wife is what

happened. So this standoff you know, this guy doesn't have a gun or anything. So Bronson's just holding a gun on him and he starts doing the whole he does have a knife. He's doing the whole like well, you know what? This is great because I'm not dead and I'm just going to say that there's two people as he starts

doing the Jeffrey Lewis I'm sick. You can't put me away for being sick. I didn't know what I was doing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you can't punish me is what you can't Honestly, for being sick. And also, like, Bronson's just like, oh, man, you know, there's three more girls dead.

Like, if his illegal, like, the movie's fucking moral code is like, if the illegal evidence stuck, there would be three women alive today. This is where you're getting into some, like, cobra-esque fascist shit right here. Yes, yes. Big time. So, yeah, he's like, yeah, there's three more dead now because my fucking dirty policing didn't stick. And so at this point I love the lines that he gets Where he's just like

Arrest me take me it I'm sick You can't punish a sick person All you can do is lock me up And one day And this is just so funny That he would say this Like you could just start being insane

And you might have got away But he kept saying One day I'll get out Because that's the system I'll be back baby You'll hear from me You'll hear from me The whole world will hear from me

And then of course Bronson says No we won't And the kaboom. And the kaboom comes after they are, we should mention, surrounded by squad cars. There are other cops out holding weapons. There's a chopper with a spotlight. He blows this dude's brains out.

I mean, this guy is Stacey, Warren Stacey, this character here, is already being restrained by other officers. He's already being taken. Two officers are holding him by the arms. And then he just, Bronson just shoots him in the head. And this is when you want the end of seven, but with Wilford Brimley, where he's like, They like put Bronson to the Squalger. He'll be all right. Yeah, you know, the world, I always think the world was a good place

and worth fighting for. I believe in the second fall. Actually, this is only missing Arlie Ermi as like the captain that he has to report. The other cop. I do appreciate this movie just immediately ends. We kind of pan away as the credits go. And you do see, I think Paul McCann is a cop on the scene. and Bronson is like doing like take me into custody with with his with his arms there.

Dude, I didn't I didn't get my fucking jewelers loop out to see that. We get so far away from him. I can't see him. Well, well, it's kind of great though because they sort of pull what Carpenter does at the beginning of or at the end of the cold open in the first Halloween where the dad rips off the mask and the mother goes Michael and they're all like frozen. Yeah. Like that's what happens here. Like they're actively pulling away. the camera is moving and they've just

because all the cop squad lights are just going around too but like all of the people are just frozen like in that moment it's a very badass way to end this movie yeah I appreciate well and they only ended it this way actually because they fucking ran out of film no because Bronson

was supposed to apparently wrestle him to the ground during their final time but Bronson but Bronson was just like not touching a naked not only that obviously the physicality was an issue for Bronson but I read that the end of the script tried to humanize this killer

character and Bronson kind of vetoed it. Interesting. Well, you know, so thanks to good old fashioned homophobia we get a pretty decent ending where he doesn't have to do that because like regardless of whether or not he wanted to rassel this naked dude like that would have been stupid. Yeah, that would have been really silly.

It kind of just worry. I mean because the other thing too Like, well, I mean, who knows, actually, because it's the fucking cop world. So maybe he's just going to get out of this. But, like, you like to think, like, this dude really just fucking threw his own life away for this dumbass, like, world view. I'm actually shocked there wasn't, like, a final line to, like, McCann. Like, no, no jury in the world would convict me. Yeah. Yep.

Because, like, what I think they wanted with that wrestling is, like, you want an ending, like, lethal weapon with Bucy and fucking Gibson. But it's fucking, you know, coerone. Wal-Labair grandfather and fucking Patrick Bateman, you know, prototype. It just doesn't make sense. Just kill him, yeah.

Yeah, they wanted a little bit of that and you get a sense too that they wanted a little bit of like sort of that same feeling at the end of the director's cut of like Exorcist 3 where George C. Scott just like walks in and executes Brad Durf essentially with like no evidence. The difference is that there's very little, I guess, ambiguity or sympathy. it's very clear in the logic of the movie that Cursey is right to shoot this man in the street even if it isn't

legal to do so because of all of the body counts that we've seen and because the murder sequences themselves are so horrifying and it's interesting because you do get that ickiness out of it but it's still I don't know for some reason I felt like Dirty Harry had more

moral queasiness about his execution than you know Kurt I'm going to call him Cursey too might as well and that's the thing too is that end of the movie, he turns into a death wish-esque vigilante. You know what I mean?

Right, right. Thus removing any barrier between those two characters whatsoever. But I had a fucking ball with this movie, as well as the discussion here this evening, but that is the end of the film. We will cut to our guest, Josh Lewis.

So, sir, would you recommend this motion picture to friends, family, and well-wishers? Yeah, I'd recommend it to children, to everyone. School teachers, yeah. important messages. I think that it's a mix of like, again, as we've discussed, like the fascist cop procedural film and the psychosexual slasher at the same time, although it's like pretty gratuitous.

It is actually surprisingly kind of potent and sort of like predate something like seven or something where you get like that weird queasy feeling in a movie that you would normally probably be having more fun with. And even if Thompson can't ring out too much out of these actors, both, you know, just on on on on their ability and maybe some faults of the screenplay that I think that the craft is sturdy enough in like the suspense sequences and sort of like feeling some of the filthiness of of the violence that it ends up kind of working and it is it's just you know again it just kind of sucks that so much of what this film wants to you to find interesting or troubling it's just already done so well in cape here I sat here watching it being like I should not have rewatched here before I watched this movie I just should not have done it unfortunately Unfortunately, but that being said, there's still something kind of troubling watching the film and especially the scenes where he's procedurally planning out the murders that very, I think something we didn't touch on. It removes all that mystery from sort of like a film like this. And it just locks you into that base grossness and misogyny of his character, which I think, you know, and then puts that into a canon action movie context with some ridiculousness.

So you've got to get some enjoyment out of that, I feel like. Totally. Steve Sadek? Yeah, I'm more of a light recommend just because there's just a lot of elements that ultimately fall flat at the end there, like, you know, whatever's going on with Paul McCann, whatever's going on with Bremley, whatever's going on with a daughter, whatever. You don't even all that kind of stuff. It's just sort of like all these like loose strands kind of don't end up together.

And I do like, just dealing with the kind of the fascistic elements of it also just sort of a little sour taste in my mouth, even though Bronson is fun. I also wanted to be a little a touch more campy if we're going to go canon with it but I did have fun with it. It does look like there are really stunning shots in this movie and the new and like I do

think Stacey is an interesting villain for sure but Bronson wasn't up to the task to be an interesting well for him. Right totally. Chris Cabin yeah, similarly light recommend I mean echo everything that Steve said but like also

It's just there's so many other, even canon Thompson-Bronson movies that I've heard. Right. That I just can't, like, totally get on board it. But, like, as Josh said, there are a lot of interesting parts to this that make it memorable. It's more memorable than a lot of the other canon Bronsonsons are. Right. But it's not as purely entertaining, I feel. Totally. Eric Siska.

Yeah. Um, I do think it's morally repugnant, but I, kind of an enthusiastic recommend. I believe I read that Roger Ebert said this was a dirty little sewer of a movie, and I agree with that. A sadistic, cesspool. He panned it, and I agree

with everything he said, but I like it for those elements. I mean, you obviously have to go into a movie like this, knowing that it's antiquated and that it's fascist inherently, but if you can, I like watching those kind of movies, just disengaging and relishing in the trash, and

yes, there are better Charles Bronson's Canon movies, but I feel like you can never have enough. Sure. That's true. I'm definitely... Eric, going with the Death Wish 3 argument of pure cartoon vision

of American Conservatives frothing, unhinged desire to kill people. You know, yes, it sounds bad on paper. But I am technically doing a crime while I'm watching these movies, so I'm kind of having a ball with it. There you go. Yeah, no, I mean,

I'm kind of more with Eric. I always totally okay with kind of like turning your brain off and just watching that knowing knowing going in that it's it's a canon movie it's Charles Bronson even though I hadn't seen it I was like we better disengage the old fucking noodle before we get watching and in that regard like yeah and then to come back and talk through it and be like

that's obviously not a heroic move right like it's I'm I'm totally comfortable watching and enjoying this and then also being like but this guy's a fucking scumbag and should have also been murdered in the street or fucking arrested spot on scene when he admitted to that judge that he corrupted a crime scene

that sort of a day he just loses his job which like I mean come on the killer's got a point he should be prosecuted yeah that's exactly right but I wanted to mention because cabin you brought up like how well it's shot or Steve you did the cinematographer is this dude Adam Greenberg

and man credit where credit is due with this guy the very next year we've got and I'll just read a few here, but starts right in 84 Terminator, then things like Iron Eagle, La Bamba, Near Dark,

three men and a baby, alien nation, Turner and Hooch, ghost. That guy's a paranormal investigator. He caught that baby on the set of three men and a baby. T2, Sister Act, Dave, Renaissance. I mean, this motherfucker works. So well done to

Adam Greenberg. A lot of fashion. ideology you distinct off there. Oh, and another one. We're talking right now. Santa Claus 2. That was him. Fascist as hell. The most fascist. Snakes on a plane. Oh, collateral damage. Inspector Gadget, rush hour, sphere,

eraser, first night, junior, North. This guy, man. This guy works. Yeah, he's rich as fuck now, huh? I mean, he hasn't works in snakes on a plane, so I think he's just comfortably enjoying retirement, having lensed tons of successful

movies so good for him but Josh I want to thank you so much for coming on we hate movies now you are thanks for having you are of course part of the Slezoids podcast give our our listeners at home spiel where can they find your stuff what do you guys do what's up with Slezoids

yeah well we we're a movie podcast oh oh yeah but each week we we take on to genre movie and exploitation movie double features sort of like grind house style and we just compare in contrast to the kind of pair together

and we have guests on every week some of you guys might even recognize one of our guests. We've had Eric on and we've had Chris on twice actually. Oh, Chris twice. Yeah, Chris brought last time I think he brought Toby Hooper's Canon pictures actually. So we did all three of his Texas Chainsaw 2 and invaders from Mars and oh crap.

Life Force, is that the third one? Yeah, Life Force. That was the third one. Yeah. So yeah, so if you guys have interested in genre and exploitation films, which I imagine if you guys are fans of the show, you probably do on some level. We're doing all kinds of stuff. I think by the time you guys are listening to this,

we would have just had an episode to go up on Ringo Lamb, City on Fire, and Bill Duke's Deep Cover. We want to do some undercover cop stuff, existential style. That's awesome. Two great movies. So we had an absolute blast doing that kind of stuff. But yeah, that's what we do. So you can find us everywhere, Slezoids pod or Slezoid's podcast, basically on Patreon, Twitter,

letterboxed everywhere. Most excellent, man. Thank you so much to come back anytime, of course. now this of course technically even though i mean as steve mentioned this is like a fucking one on the brimsley brimley scale here this is brimsgiving so brimsgiving uh does continue uh of course uh over on our patreon we have dropped the gleep glossary on sindel to wani uh she was the little girl in iwax battle for endor eric that's right that is correct so we basically that episode's like almost an hour long of us kind of retreading those episodes from iwok adventure and iwax battle of endor that we

did back in 2011. So it's nice to get back into that world now in 2020. So definitely check out the Gleap Glossary. Totally. And we've got a We Love Movies episode coming up this month with Brimley. Of course, it's the China Syndrome. That's going to be a lot of fun. So, you know, Brimsley, Brimley, Brimley by the Barrelful here on Wee Hay movies with Brimsgiving. And Steve, Brimbsgiving continues just like every week on We Hate Movies. There's a new episode coming down the pike next Tuesday. What will we be talking about then? When you hear the title, you would have thought it was a sequel

or a prequel, but it's neither. It's Remo Williams, the adventure begins. This is Fred Ward trying to have some sort of action comedy franchise. Oh, yeah. Probably one of the most requested films in Listen to Request Month history. Quite a lot. Every time that it comes up, there's

multiple requests for this one. Now, I've never seen it. So is there, like, what What do we wager the rating on Steve's Brimley scale would be? It's been a while since I've seen it. It's been a long time. I think it's probably low. I don't remember either.

I honestly, I think I saw this movie like on Showtime in 1999 or something. You'll have to tune in next week to find out, I guess. That is the great. It's a cliffhanger, folks. There it is. So until next week when we answer the question of how much is Wilfred Brimley in What the fuck is the name of this movie?

Remo Williams. There we go. The adventure begins. I was said Hudson Hawk. Remo Williams. Yeah, that's pretty much, right? One has Bruce Willis and one does not. So until next week with Remo Williams,

colon, the adventure begins. I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Sadek. Eric Siska. Chris Cabin. And I'm Josh Lewis. Take it easy. That was a headgum podcast.