We Hate Movies - S11: Episode 523 - A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

On the final episode of 2020, the gang sits back to chat about the beloved Wes Craven classic, A Nightmare on Elm Street! Was Freddy trying to cover his tracks by framing Rod? How much does Saxon despise that ex-wife? And could that EMT crew be any less professional? PLUS: You want Bob Shaye to green light your picture? Better make sure there's a role for Lin! A Nightmare on Elm Street stars Robert Englund, Heather Langenkamp, John Saxon, Johnny Depp, Jsu Garcia, Amanda Wyss, Ronee Blakely, and Lin Shaye; directed by Wes Craven. WHM is donating 100% of our 2020 merch income to causes fighting for racial justice. For more information on how you can pitch in, head over to our website. Advertise on We Hate Movies via Gumball.fm Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on the program, a nightmare of a film to cap a nightmare of a year. It's a nightmare on Elm Street. I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen Tadak. Eric Siska. Chris Krueger. And we love movies. That got me.

We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's a title of one good scare. Sometimes. That is murder. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in!

It is time to keep your appointment with the Wicca Man. They're coming to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fucks using one too many movies. Now, Sid! Don't you blame the movies! Movies don't create psychos! Movies make psychos! More creators! Put the fucking losion in the bag!

It's an excellent day for an exorcism. Hello everyone. Welcome to We Love Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always. That's right. What are we doing? What theme song is happening? Is this Halloween at Christmas? It's a Nightmare on Elm Street from 1984, directed by the late Great West Craven. And, you know, Steve, I think you put it this way originally. But, you know, like I said, up top, it has been a nightmare. fucking hellscape year and this is a film that has nightmare in the title and we're talking about living nightmares. So it

kind of fits. Yeah, you can't. I mean, there's no chipper way to end this year. I mean, there's really I mean, there's some good stuff maybe on the horizon. No need to get too gloomy here. But, you know, it's, it's been a fucking year, everybody. I mean, certainly has. They boycotted my

idea to Hussolo, which was my first, my first vote for We Love Movies Month, but this is a good compromise, I think. Chris, I was pushing for commentary. Yeah, I guess that's true. That's probably the better place for it. What are they doing to those kids? So is that

real? You think they're really eating that stuff? That stuff. Still having, still happy. Oh, really? I didn't know it. Sit around and watch that movie. There's a Friday fucking night. Come on, baby. It's date night. We're watching

fucking Salo. Let's go. Oh, pause it. Domino's is here. have some cheesy bread with this fucking movie. Oh my God. Oh, man. Yeah, you know, this is this is another one of the

like the where to begin movies. I'll say to begin right here. We were just talking about what in the Freddyverse we have done. I believe in the archive on our Patreon. You can get an episode we did 100,000 years ago on West Craven's New Nightmare. We did a commentary also on the Patreon

for that wretched remake and Eric Sisku is I seeing our text thread right you're telling me you're telling me that there are people out there now pushing for this like the remakes not as bad as you thought it was there was a bit of this is me I still there's an article coming around like a couple of weeks ago or even a couple months ago where it's just like and it wasn't even like it's not good but it's better than you remember and the answer is no it's not yeah yeah no that's trash that movie is some grim trash for sure and you can hear us make fun of it on that Patreon

absolutely you know one thing to kick us off with man I love this old ass new line logo yes it's just it fucking sets the mood perfectly right for this movie it just looks like cocaine

it's just like immediately like whoa okay buddy it's that in like the canon logo I just immediately like oh man yep I don't understand why they don't bring it back for certain movies you Yes. Yep, like New Line's putting out Warner Brothers via, you know, New Line is putting out like a horror movie. Just do this.

And then everybody knows like, oh shit, New Line horror movie kind of thing. Here we go. Do you know what movie they originally were famous for releasing? I can't remember. I'm going to, the second you say it, I'm going to be like, yes, I knew that, but I can't pull it right now. It's called A New Line. Yes. Yes, it is.

It's a very famous movie, A New Line. no it's polyester John Walker is polyester Yep Yep Which is it fits I mean like They have this kind of raw energy

In the early days Like something like this Nobody else would do something like this I think What a nightmare at elms? Yeah Like I thought a lot of people Like were like

Are you fucking kidding me It is definitely ambitious The scope of this movie The whole dream stuff Apparently he's kicking around The script for a couple of years Nobody wanted it And New Line was the one

Like I don't know yeah let's do it it's me bob shay i'm fucking crazy all right quick question could my sister be in it you're sold who is my sister playing exactly in this film sign it sign it on the line lynn's in lind you busy on thursday okay yeah she's gonna do it let's do it the movie we're doing the movie lind's in the movie yo lind you're gonna play a teacher for like two seconds that cool with you Now, let me talk to you here, James. One is linen. He better be in. Yes, we were talking about, no, I got nothing.

Yes, you know, I had to turn down Lucasfilm's offer to bring Star Wars over to New Line, and I'll tell you why. I asked George Lucas, I said, George, one question for you, is Lynn in? And George says, Lynn's out. And I said, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, Lynn was originally going to play one of the clones in multiplicity. And then Rebus got up my ass. He's like, no, it's got to be a clone of Michael Keaton. And I'm like, well, what the fuck are you going to do?

That's not a movie was, Lynn? I'll tell you what, I had to put those Fairley brothers over the coals before they said Lin's in. If you look real closely now, I know there's a lot of them in there, one of them big battle scenes in Fellowship of the Ring. My sister, Lynn, she's playing an orc. Has she been in a lot of other stuff at all? She's been around. I mean, she's, she now has found a home in the, like, yeah, horror in, like, the insidious world. Yeah.

She plays, like, a psychic medium in that franchise, and she's gotten, like, her own one of those, I think it's insidious three is, like, a prequel movie that is basically her character and the two Ghost Hunter. guys, like, got their own movie kind of a thing. So, like, she's really found a home in horror. She did something else, I think. She was in another horror movie this year, but now she pops up, I think, because of those insidious movies. Yes, yes. She pops up all the time now. She's a good

compelling actor. She's fucking great. I really like her, yeah. All you had to do back in the day was find yourself in one of the hottest horror properties, and then you could, you know, you're eating off that for the rest of your life. Absolutely, dude. Absolutely. I mean, Bob England, Freddie Kruger himself in this movie.

you know uh just you know you use it as a stepping stone and one thing leads to another and you can make a fucking incredible living like just being in horror i would also say she's pretty memorable for her one scene in this movie yeah she stuck out to me because she's a teacher that's like actually concerned for uh heather langen camp's character and not like miss what are you doing i think she actually comes back in new nightmare as i think a nurse of some kind oh that's right she's like a little more evil in that movie if I'm remembering yeah um yeah go ahead how about this opening sequence we've got here of the glove construction in the smaller frame within a frame I just really love the way this movie opens we see him just developing this this fucking

knife glove dude it's so great I love yeah the the frame within a frame like the extreme bottom letter boxing and the pillar boxing happening yeah while the credits just go underneath at all? I mean, this is, I mean, I know this movie was made famous because teenagers loved it, but like you are also getting your boomer dad's here right quick because what do you got here? You got some ace welding. Some good engineering. You're getting your dad's really excited for what's about to be a very disappointing experience. Wait a second, kids. You didn't tell me there was a work bench in this movie. Oh, man, is that a torch? A nine torch. I don't know if I do that one. I'll be all right. Is you got to quitch that

hand or what? Steve, that's what I was going to ask, do you think, have they ever done like a Halloween episode of Forged and Fire? They did. I forget what they did. He didn't do it. They did not do the Freddie Glove, which is a big problem. That's so dumb because you make like Michael Myers Knife, Jason's machete, Freddy's glove, and then I don't know, could you make a fucking thing of chainsaw material? Put pins in your actual head.

Okay, now for the kill test, Doug's going to go inside someone. nightmares and actually kill him. Doug, make sure to graze that knife glove across your chest there, buddy. Yet you got maggots coming out of your nipples. Doug's doing all right. As you see, it brought the whole ballistic body out of the dream into reality.

I think if quarantine goes much longer, I'm going to buy a ballistics dummy and really go ham on it, those things look like a lot of fun. For like sex reasons? No, no, just like cut it up and stuff. That's sex, though, right? No.

No, no. And you think that, you think it's going to be okay to recreate maniac in your own home? Now we're talking. Oh, man. Yeah, I mean, I do love, I mean, and again,

like it does do this thing where it's unsettling and, I mean, the dream like stuff is really smart because it's really specific. It's not like, we're not doing like total like fog machine and like people talking backwards,

black and white stuff. It's just all a little lit differently unsettling it's all with sound and stuff like that also the the color like red and green mixture is like an ugly fucking color it's like a disorienting color like that christmas it is i mean like in that way the way it looks in this specifically like it's really ugly yeah because it's like a drab like an army green kind of thing and like a darker red yeah it's not exactly christmas colors in that way. You know,

it's like Christmas colors that you're like non-veteran grandfather's wearing or something like that who refuses to wash his fucking clothes, yeah. Now,

Steve, I had an idea here. Did, do you think, did this help inspire the Marvel character of the Wolf Marine or did that exist already?

That existed already. Oh, you little, maybe, maybe, maybe, uh, hey,

hey, uh, hey, hey, uh, hey, what's that about about man. I didn't create Wolverine either,

but come on this now. I stole it first. You know, it's time. It's time to put Freddie Krueger in the MCU. Why not, dude? Why the fuck not? Is he in any of those Mortal Kombat games? I think so, yes.

Who did they release last week? Was it Henry Kissinger? He was released last week? Yes, it was the Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon combo pack. Oh my God, their fatality takes out a lot. Yeah, dude, Napalm, death blow. His finishing move is a two-hour eulogy of you. One of his moves is the friendship is where he bores you to death.

Oh, now I'm going to show you my next photo slideshow from my last family vacation. Oh, that's right. It is the fatality, Napalm. I love Steve. Steve, you will appreciate this. I don't think Chris or Eric, you ever. got back there and we never played this theater but

this opening nightmare like in the hallway and this is so Tina is the woman running here in the beginning. Did you not think Steve that this opening hallway here looks like that back hallway of the UCB Chelsea? Yes it does. I mean it's all pipes and just like you can see a Gristadis just about to

open up on the other end of it for sure. Absolutely. A lot of children killers were in that room too. Absolutely. Absolutely. right. A hundred percent. I do. Yeah, I mean, I love it. I mean, is this sort of a psychogenetly-ish kind of a situation with Tina here where you think she might be the lead and then she's not? Oh, you know, it's kind of hard to pin down. Well, I'd say the difference is like with Psycho, you go for like 45 minutes before she's killed. Tina has like two scenes in this movie. I think it's more, I mean, like, it's not calling back. It's interesting. I noticed the similarities between this and scream more. this time? More than I think I ever have. Including sharing the

casting of law enforcement officers. Yes, well, that. Because the guy who's like the deputy in this movie is the sheriff in Scream. Arquette's Boston. This is better than Scream in a certain regard because like Steve was saying, like this character, Tina, you really starting to identify

with her story before she is finally killed. And Drew Barrymore and Scream is kind of just like, you know. A first kill. Yeah. Right. I'm not seeing her, her boy. boyfriend and her parents and learning the ins and outs of her life.

Yeah, because Heather Langham camp, yes. Yeah. Well, you get, you get some Tina's home life. You get her, like, boozed up mom who's got this, like, dude over who's fucking furious that he's, you know, what, the clock is ticking on this old man's boner. And his lady friend is getting up because her daughter's having a nightmare. Dude, the greatest credit. And, you know, Stephen Tobolowski is always, like, if you're, if you're an actor, you know, character actor, you know, character actor you want a first name

you want a last name would be great blah blah blah job titles that great my man here is credit is Tina's mom's boyfriend Oh boy Yeah I played a Tina's mom's boyfriend And I played Jeff's mom's boyfriend

I mean at that point you could just call him Hank or something Yeah exactly Appearing now on the lower concourse At New York Comic-Con It's the guy who played Tina's mom's boyfriend and A Nightmare on Elm Street. And by the lower concourse, of course we mean the parking lot where he sleeps. Dude, he has two acting credits.

Apparently, he's a casting director at the side department. Guy's name's Paul Grineer. He was, he's in Nightmare and Elm Street, his teen his mom's boyfriend. And then he was in an episode of Arrow from 2018. Oh, no. Long time off there in the acting game as Brian. So, you know. You know, those long, when someone takes a long-ass break like that,

and I guess if he's doing other, like, film-related jobs, like, in between, I'm like, so what made you want to go on Arrow? Like, what called you out of retirement to do Arrow? Oh, maybe it's a scenario where it's like he was trying to stay in acting and sent his resume out and stuff, and it's like, wait, who did you play in a nightmare else? Tina's mom's boyfriend? Get out of here, dude.

I make shit up. All those C.W. shows are also, like, famous for bringing back like archaic, like actors from archaic movies, archaic small roles from big movies like that, just for like little walk-ons. This is the bottom of the barrel though with Tina's

mom's boyfriend. Is it not? Come on. Like you want to put fucking Heather Langenkamp in an episode of Arrow like I get that. Sure. She's a person who's still around doing things. Not Tina's mom's boyfriend, I don't think. No. I guess that. The mother also

has a fucking great line though, because Tina's like, you know, Mom, it was just a nightmare. I'm sorry. She's like, yeah, you stop that kind of dreaming now. Okay. You're dreaming wrong. Because she also, obviously, Freddie gets her a little bit with the glove. I mean, I like that you see him immediately too. Like, it's not a, like, you don't really, I mean, you actually never really great, get a great shot of Fred Krueger here. You know what I mean? I mean, not in the way that they really show them off, like in the sequels and stuff there's always like there's a lot of like from behind here you get some close ups like when he's doing his like big arms move to nancy later i love the long arms but i mean what's

great about it is you're only getting those snippets because this is a horror movie and the sequels kind of aren't also but also the the the makeup is so different scene to scene yeah like it changes all the time so like it's actually kind of good that they keep on hiding in that way well it's kind of an interesting i mean it's obviously just like this was super low budget and what are you going to do but like i love that idea of you know he can only like manifest himself so accurately in these dreams right so like it's a little forgiving in that way if you if you choose to think of it that way it's like well he looks kind of different because it's kind of like odo on ds nine like he can't he can't quite get a human shape right but

sometimes it's really really good in fact most of the time it's really really good other times it does look like chicken skin just being thrown on his face there are i was watching the deleted scenes and or not the deleted scenes there's alternate endings to this and I was checking it out and there's one that like it's like happy ending the ending that we have

and then the way way happy ending was Fred Kruger jerk him off oh yeah now hold still here come I sliced it off careful careful you slipped me a 50 here it comes no it's like a

it just like they drive off there's no like fog and the mother doesn't get pulled through the door but there's one that they call the freddie ending which is basically it's the you jerk him off yeah that's right you got to jerk off fred krueger to get those credits to come up uh no it's the same exact ending but then there's an additional cut where all of a sudden freddie's driving the car and not glen and you can look and they have this like piece of burnt skin hanging off England's ear and it looks like a piece of like

fried chicken skin so hardcore I couldn't even believe it. But the thing is like you see it so briefly and that I feel like it forgives all the problems I had with it. I mean I just saw this off of an Amazon stream so you guys might have had more clarity in seeing these the magic behind the movies

but I mean I agree though I mean but I think it makes him a more nightmare. It should be more of an element of fear because again like once you really see something it's not that scary anymore you know what I mean that's why Jaws works and all that kind of bullshit it's like once you really get a good look at something

he loses some of that power and I think that they're smart about not showing you him and that's why Jason is scarier with the mask on yes yeah you'll never make Jason scarier with the mask off and I'm looking at you part seven with that lizard face or whatever the fuck that's supposed to be yeah I'll never

get over the lizard face it's so dumb but yeah we go the next day and we meet her friends Heather Langencamp is Nancy and Johnny Depp is Glenn and then her boyfriend is this guy Rick is it Rick? I think it's Rod Rod Rod oh Rod yeah Rod Rod is the boyfriend yeah hot Rod guys don't forget the song I mean it's such a great you know the one two Freddy's oh of course yes exactly the actor the actor who the actor who

played Ron is a rod excuse me is a dude name a Sue Garcia and if I'm remembering this right it was a thing where when he was cast in the movie and I don't think it was just this movie I feel it was like throughout like early on in his career they were like hey man so your name's Sue Garcia huh little too ethnic in this movie you'll be credited as Nick Corey and this is something he did I'm looking at his IMDB now it was this was his first movie so he did it here and then this so this was 1984 and he used that credit wow it just keeps going i mean yeah so it was like it was this shitty fucking here cover up your fucking real name it's not marketable i regret not covering up my real name yeah eric johnson eric smith no uh what was his name again Corey, what? His stage name was Nick Corey. Nick Corey. I could be Eric

Corey. Yeah. Yeah. Which actually, it looks like he finally stopped doing the last credit for it. Funny enough, I just watched this recently, and I didn't even notice he was in it. He's in the third Candyman movie credited as Nick Corey. He's in Candyman Day of the Dead in 1999. Does everybody know the

story behind Johnny Deppkin casting this? I do not. West Craven, like, they had heard about like these uh the band dep was in like two guys from it auditioned or like gave their uh sheets out west craven brings him back to his daughter and's like which one of these do you like the most and she picks johnny depth she's like he's beautiful and that's weird and west craven's daughter essentially gives him a career that's bizarre yeah wow it's almost surprising there hasn't been any like hacky way to bring johnny debt back into the franchise has

that happened he's in uh do nightmare or is he no he's not no it's he's in a final nightmare that's right you know what i think i am remembering this yeah credited as guy on tv his stage name for that for that role because by in by 1991 he's not fucking saying that he's johnny depp in a freddie kruger movie because edward scissors hands had already happened he's credited as opra noodle mantra right right man you know he's like he's a scary guy now right screen but like I don't know maybe make

he could be Freddy I would watch him play Freddy Krueger who was it we thought about recently oh Bill Hader would make a good new Freddie Kruger yeah I guess I was we were saying this on the chat I think Doug Jones would be pretty good like again like shut him the fuck up and just get some like

a really cool character design and like you know one or two lines only please I I don't know but that's the thing that's what differentiates him then it is just another goddamn fucking you know Michael Myers or like Jason sure that don't talk like that's the one thing that differentiates him but I think what Steve is comparing it to that like Freddie in the sequels is the fucking pawnmaster this movie that didn't happen yet this is still like I mean like he's saying stuff but it's he's much scarier and much more menacing he's

still doing his Benny Youngman bit like he's he's not leading into the comedy you mean Henny Youngman me Henny Youngman yes Benny Hannah face like a grilled food on a well that's also knives if you go to a benihana they got knives there's true he's not leaning into comedy that hard in this movie obviously there's elements of it but in those sequels it's just fucking

deadpool with some kids trying to kill him both both with facial scars yeah it's very simple now now did Deadpool that that has to be a newer invention unlike the wolf marine that's the yeah that's in the he comes in the early 90s gotcha um yeah so they're you know walking to school or whatever this is uh rob's first line you immediately get the fucking class level of this guy not like social class like classy class

he goes uh oh yeah Tina had a hard on this morning with your name on it and then she's I'm surprised you could write your my whole name on your dick which is kind of hilarious yeah totally and she said what does she call it though Steve isn't it like unit or something oh joint I believe. Write my whole name on your joint. Take that rod. There's only four letters, too, so she's really saying something there, man. We start getting the seeds planted here of, like, Tina and Nancy both had bad dreams.

And at this Johnny Depp, you can kind of see him be like, oh, well, they're talking about bad dreams. I don't want to admit to it just yet, but I had one too. Well, that's what's kind of great. It's like I love that it just sort of, it sort of eeks out from all four of these characters kind of slowly. Yep. Yeah, and I feel, though, like, if you said to me, Steve, like, if one day you were like, I had this fucking crazy nightmare and you told me all about it, and I had had the same person in my nightmare, that's not information I'm being precious with. I'm immediately like, oh, fuck, Steve, we dreamt the same guy in our dream. We need to start investigating immediately what that's all about.

This scene is also, like, identical to the two couples talking after Drew Barrymore gets killed and screamed. the outside of a school like their four hanging out on like a little raised garden area it's like almost identical you'd have to be a man to do that I mean I think it's kind of insane I mean like Craven obviously was

a great director had and definitely was also a spray and pray a little bit you know what I mean not everything hit but it's kind of incredible and I think it's pretty unparallel to be able to do three iconic movies in three different decades

you know what I mean like that's especially with horror like horror so specifically like it's like pop music kind of you know what I mean it's like you being being able to put out three big records in three different decades and all of them work within those decades so what do you talk about this scream and cursed no I would I mean I would say either uh I would say Hills Have Eyes or uh what he called that their uh last house on the last house yeah like that's a 70s movie that you know really has the everything to do with the 70s is we everything to do with the 80s and then scream is so fucking 90s you know David Bowie of horror

he kind of is yeah you know just like Bowie there's everyone's got like a period they like the least and like the West Craven period I like the least is the rumors of the heart or what the fuck was that movie is that what it's called the Merrill Street movie

the fucking like romantic comedy music of the heart I think that's what it's called that sounds right I never had the pleasure I mean yeah the odds I mean depending if you like even scream for which I don't. I do.

Oh, I do. I like that red eye. Red eye's fun. Red eye's fun. Red eye was a movie that I felt never really totally got its due in the long run.

It was a totally watchable movie and What's his face is great. Killing Murphy. I've never watched any of West Craven's porn, but I hear it's fantastic. So what you want to do right here, you're going to want to stick it in. It's my direction on a porno.

A lot of, you can see a lot of hanging skin in that one too, Chris. Look, what we're going to do is we're going to hide the cock until the final, final explosion, you know? That brings, builds tension. I thought you were about to say a previous episode, Deadly Friend. Oh, God, that movie. It does have one of the best kills ever. Basketball head. Basketball head is top ten stuff.

Yeah, so, you know, we're deciding, you know, Tina. still rattled from the nightmare the night before so it's like hey nancy could you come stay over my parents are out of town or my mom is out with her fucking boyfriend doing god knows what uh so they all decide they're you know her boozeound mother and scumbag boyfriend are out of town so we're sweetheart they just opened the red lobster three towns over we're going to get a motel it's going to be fantastic already made the reservations at both the red lobster and the red roof in they are right next door to each other so you know what that means baby Not that I'm opposed to drunk driving, but we can get wasted at Red Lobster and walk back to the hotel.

Shaline, are you ready to go to Cheddar Bay because I am? But if we don't go to that Red Lobster, how we'll know if it's any different from our Red Lobster? True. There's got to be a little difference. Now I want Cheddar Bay Biscuits. Fuck. Fuck. Do you think there's people that are like Grateful Dead, you know, like dead heads that travel the country, trying every single Red Lobster?

they definitely exist for sure in in some like perverse attempt to get a reality show I've never had red lobster honestly really I mean like it's chain food so it's crap but like I'll eat it I have not had it in this century I definitely had it like once or twice in the mid-night I don't think I've had it in the new millennium either yeah we're talking about it like we're fucking highlanders we're just talking about it like we're fucking highlanders we're just talking about the last 20 years. Oh, yes, I can't remember, Ramirez, the last time we went to Olive Garden.

Oh, yeah, dude. I'm like folding all the metal over and over again, forging my fucking claw cruncher or whatever. Oh, my God, you're forged in fire claw crackers? Yeah. Oh, yes, it's been so long since I've been to the Red Lobster.

Oh, I always love going for the unlimited shrimp. It's been 300. hundred years. I remember the dawning of the red lobster. I, me and Ramirez, went to the first red lobster. They didn't have fried shrimp, just the scampy back then. Ramirez gave them the idea for the Cheddar Bay biscuits.

And now 400 years later, we're going back. What you want is a lot of cheese and salt flavoring on this. McLeod. Unlimited Biscuits. He gets into a fight with the, what was the, with Clancy Brown because he took his booth. It says it reserved. That was my booth. You know that was my booth, Highlander.

It's my, this is my fucking C grade Clancy Brown impression. There can only be one and he takes the fucking claw cruncher over the dude's head and blows it up. Oh, what about this dude? He fucking puts it on his nose. He goes, Got your nose.

And then, but he pulls it off, though, because it's a claw cracker still. He pulls off. He pulls his all fucking face off with it. I love it. He gets a quicketing. All the food falls on the floor, but all the waiters put it back on people's plates. And then he gets a second quickening, which is just diarrhea. Oh, yeah, dude, that is the fucking quickening.

You need to have a room reserved at the red roof in if you're going to red lobster, man. Brown lightning. We're willing to offer this stuffed clam to you for $3? just on the floor just a little bit you know 10 minute rule 10 second no 10 minute so they're all over at Tina's house and there's I love I've always loved this bit of Johnny Depp is like calling his mom to lie about like staying over at a cousin's house so he can stay with the girls and he's like rod got me this cool sound effects tape and he's like yeah I'm out at Denny's yeah by the airport yeah oh loud as always and then I love the gag of like it turns

into like gunshots and people screaming it's like dude you've got to play it a little bit better than that you know your mom is like oh wait where are you I don't hear the air I don't hear the airport right I don't know it's a fucking telephone mom I guess though if it's like oh it's hard to hear you can kind of like get her off the phone faster

sure but then the gang is like oh is everybody oh no just neighbor's fighting yeah it goes from like there's a car so it goes from like drag racing to fighting it's fucking great no yeah the uh the neighbor drove into a house uh three are dead uh something's on fire back there

and also an airplane's going yeah too as well yeah it's just the plot of knowing happening Ben Mendelsohn is hanging outside screaming I don't know why uh yeah so like I do kind of love like there's this I love the relationship between Tina

and Rod it's very on it's very high school right it's like they hate each other and obviously like he's a dickhead and her good friends are like don't be with that dude but of course she's going to be with that guy kind of a thing exactly and like he comes over kind of like sneaks in there's a big scare kind of a thing johnny depp's like you know going out there to see what's going on and rod is fucking furious that he does have an invite to this leapover at another classy rod line right here he's like what's going on here orgy or something which i always loved

You're a lucky man, Johnny Depp. God damn. Can I get in on this? Well, dude, there's a fucking crazy thing that happens right here where like Rod is like, all right. Tina and I are going to go fuck now so you can do whatever. And Tina does the fucking crazy thing of like, please stay here. Like don't leave me with this guy, which is like yikes. But then Johnny, Johnny Depp is like, Glenn is the character. He's like, you know, oh cool. Like me and, uh, you know, my lady friend now. What's going on over here? Nancy. she's like, no, Glenn, we're here for Tina, not ourselves. And I'd be like, okay.

Whatever you say, we're just going to sit here and listen to them, fuck then. She's like, don't leave me alone with this animal. And it's like, you know what, dude, you're making your own decision. If you're really unsafe, you let me know. If not, I'm going home. I don't want to hear him hit the back fucking wall. I'm tired of it. I'd like to maybe at least just go sit outside on the porch with my boys.

friend or something. Not like babysitting this weird situation. Is someone like throwing a tennis ball against the wall? Oh no, no. It's rod inside of her. No, no, no. We can listen to the airplane tape again. Just keep on listening to the airplane tape. Yeah, there's a whole other side of sound effects we didn't get to. There's a lot of horn honking. What's the, what's the cable package situation? Probably grim. It's 1984. But maybe there's something you might have an HBO, a home box office. Yeah, I think that was around. So maybe that was something. I don't think we had like pay-per-view just yet. So you couldn't stock up on the pornography. Oh, good. We can watch the pile of dream on. Oh, he's fucking too. Great. That's good. That's good. That's fantastic.

That, uh, what was that football show they had on HBO? Arliss? No, no. Early days, early days of HBO. I think it was just called football back then. Oh, it might come to me. yeah so they're like listening to the fucking you have this like Johnny Depp's on the couch and Nancy's like sleeping I guess in Tina's room and Johnny Depp has a fucking terrible line right here where he sort of like you see him listening to the sex and then he's like oh morality sucks I was like okay that's what Johnny Depp says quite often actually yeah he's constantly lamenting morality less and less these days this is where we have the awesome you know the face coming through the wall. Yeah. The effects falls down. This effect, it's a practical effect that still fucking rules the school

36 years on, man, I have to say. Well, so much of it does, because it just, it just feels like lived in a little bit. Like, reality is bending a little bit. I mean, it's, it's silly to say, but I mean, it's more effective than just like a digital ripple on a fake wall. You know what I mean? Well, and

you know, they fucking ape this effect in the remake and it's just a computer thing and it looks terrible. exactly uh so yeah so then you know we go back into the dream world this is tina seeing freddie like in the alley behind her house this is the mr long arms thing this is his great uh watch this and he fucking cuts his fingers off so i just love the idea that less of uh like a stand-up comedian like he becomes but more of just like hey i'm going to freak you out by like humiliating myself and punishing my own fake body i just love how he's

looking at the two stubs like right after it cuts it he's like come on where's the green stuff let's go and then finally it starts shooting out because it probably was like the fucking 15th take of that and he was like west where's the green shit it feels almost like beetle juice in terms of like yeah we got to come up with like pranks to scare people yeah which he was supposed to direct for a while oh really yeah uh uh eh i don't know if that would have worked out. Burton's a man for it, but like, it would have been interesting to say the least. Well, you could see the, you know, I mean, the influence might be there.

Yeah. I mean, he, I think he also, like, I think deadly friend, uh, as a concept was from his work on Beetle juice somehow. What is that right? Was there supposed to be a fucking talking robot? Some, some weird thing. I was, I was listening to like, uh, his, uh, what's it called? His, uh, I don't know if it's an autobiography or biography, but, uh, his, uh, his, uh, his,

life story essentially and they said something about like what deadly friend came from his work doing like work on beetle juice he also was supposed to do superman four for a while i think otho and beetle juice was supposed to be a robot and that was an accurate that would make sense oh right otho was just the acronym for something uh because he does this in 84 he's got a tv movie in 85 with michael Beck from the Warriors, which I've never seen called Chiller. I've seen Invitation to Hell, which is this year as well,

with, uh, fuck. Robert. How is that, Chris? Because I've been circling it on the, uh, what's recommended to me on the stream. Interesting. Actually, I would, I recommend it. It's, uh, you know who? Oh, God, what's his name? I, the guy who shot it is like Carpenter's DP, um,

and, uh, Jurassic Park DP. Oh, uh, what's his face? Dean Cundee. Yeah, he, he shot, Yeah, he shot it. This was kind of a big year for West Craven because it was big year. I mean, a busy year anyway, because he had invitation to hell come out. Hills Have Eyes Part 2 came out in 84 and this came out in 84. And then 86 is Deadly Friend.

That's crazy. So he's directing all three of those movies that all premiere in the same year. Yep. That's like Rainer Verner Fossbender. I know. I mean, this is the time where like him and Cunningham and all them are. just like scrapping for whatever job you can get yeah i mean they're all he also had in 1986 he directed something for the magical world of disney uh which is kind of hilarious

case busters or something case case busters was the movie another horror television special pat hingle funny enough you got pat hingle in that movie you got one of the guys from summer school uh oh and you got fucking attray you himself from uh from uh never-ending story. Trey you. I think when I was a kid, I was like, this kid's going places. I'm receiving movies for years to come. No. A Trey's stock dropped

pretty quickly. Was there a scandal? No, I just, I mean, like, what else you got to see him in? I mean, like, close your eyes and picture a Treyu in anything else. Yeah, I guess that's true. I mean, he appears to be doing some cheap horror in the 2000s here.

We got 2016's, The chair. He played Alvarez. Oh, Roddy, Roddy, Routy Piper's in that movie. I just looked at his IMDB as well. And it's just a few things in the 2000s here. And then nothing 94 and, oh, hey, he was in Troll, the first one. Oh, shit.

Look at that. As Harry Potter Jr. What? Yes, it's 1986. So, hey, happy accident. Weird. Yeah, so this is, you know, the famous first kid. of this movie, Tina gets fucking super

killed. Yeah, this is where Rod wakes up and she flies up onto the ceiling, blood everywhere. And again, this looks amazing. Fantastic. You know what I mean? It's all just like camera tricks and moving a room around. And it's just fucking awesome. It's amazing.

It reminded me like the exorcist this go. Yes. Big time. Yeah. Like she sort of elevates off the mattress at first, but she's like kicking and screaming. Like the effect is so great. Yeah. just fucking flies up to the ceiling and the fucking drop down when she hits the mattress and like there's so much blood that it splatters all over rod who's like still in his tidy whitties when he jumps out the window i also love that shot like while this is happening i think it's here where you get a quick look at like freddie kruger's actually under the covers with her and it's just i love the little snippets like that that just throwing in a little snippet like that of like a weird like reality and dreams blending in such a way so much more effective than just him uh joking around it's

also a really disturbing shot like the way it's framed like just like it curled up in this little contained space like you get all the horror of it right that like when she does fly up on the uh like the the ceiling of the the room like you get you feel it all because you've seen him doing that thing yes and i mean it's not specific to her it's just about it's not like oh she likes rock music, so here comes a rock music scenario, or she likes comic books, so here's the worst fucking thing you've ever seen in your life. It's really, it's just

like, it's literally just like interesting reality bending kind of murders, again, which you're not seeing in across the street in Friday the 13th movies. You know what I mean? Do you think it's because like this first movie, these kids are like

the kids of the parents that did the deed, right? The kids of the parents who fucking killed him. So, do you think like because all these sequels keep going on he's like well i mean their parents didn't do anything to me uh i mean i guess i'll just have a little fun i was i was really mad at those first couple kids i was fucking pissed off you're in the wrong district yeah exactly right so i feel like that he's like less motivated by rage and maybe the whole time he was this you know one-liner zinging comedy guy.

I mean, it's just like, I think it's because he doesn't want to take a desk job. I mean, he's done his work for, yeah, like, I mean, he's done his work on earth to rain, you know, help the devil do his work. Right. And now he should be going back and helping the devil down in hell, finding new ways to torture, new ways to eat babies and stuff like that. He said it's at a cubicle in hell. Yeah. But no, he's got to stay on the beat. He's a fucking, you know, he's stubborn.

By the way, guys, want to quickly mention, uh, you know, you know, you know, know maybe maybe this is not exactly like psycho but this episode is because we get to tina's death about 40 minutes into our podcast well you got to talk you got to talk for 20 minutes about the red lobster for course that's right still want them cheddar bays baby hitchcock used to talk about that shit too uh so you know we cut to the police station john saxon just fucking sachets into this movie man rest in peace total fucking legend we lost just this year in 2020 you fucking piece of shit year

and he just comes in and it's just this great you know what is up immediately when he's interacting with the mother because it's like he comes in like what the hell were you doing over there

and she's like hello to you to Donald and he just goes Marge I was like divorced man this fucking couple is it's not going well

Marge hiding vodka bottles all around the house and just chugging it this dude never being home unless there's a murder happening we're all into doing prequel tv shit now can i get the prequel series of this couple from the time they they burn fucking kruger down to this why because it's just a john casavetti's movie over three seasons yes i mean the way that we you know obviously with fargo but also a nightmare on elmstrom didn't it wasn't there a tv series at some point was no freddie's nightmares yeah it was fucking

trash yeah i mean so there's precedence i i think it'd be interesting to maybe explore some of these things through television instead of trying to make a gritty reboot all the time like if you had some sort of limited series thing about the original elm street parents and like the lead up to fucking killing this guy and like that was the movie and maybe so you get like some detectives in there you know maybe there is like a you know don thompson right like heather thompson's or uh Nancy Thompson's father you cast some younger guy it's like his first case

on the police force in Springwood you know what I mean he's chasing down who's killing kids in the neighborhood and like Kruger's like in it but not really you could kind of maybe even get like a mine hunter vibe out of it. Totally yeah but it's limited series though

so like the last you do like eight episodes and then the last it just ends with Kruger getting burned in the boiler room and you know who you get for uh he wouldn't be he's not young enough because he'd have to be younger, but I've always thought that John Saxon and George Clooney should have played brothers or father, son, or something.

Oh, sure. I could see that, dude, totally. I think John Saxon have to be prison brother, much like David Stratharine plays prison brother to Tom Cruise. Yes. I don't think George Clooney would even wipe his ass with our script to this show. Full shit. By the way, Andrew, here's your season two.

Once, you know, we find out how Freddie Krueger happened, the movies explore that we could drop that thread continue our mind hunter as characters into i don't know a new monster shows up or a different original monster oh no i got to go you know what i got transferred to crystal lake and that yeah that there you go yeah it's like the x files it's like right around it's so it's nothing to do with mrs vorhees but it's right around like the early sightings of like jason and like the formation of the jason legend i think it's all there and then season three big foot didn't see that coming yep yep we go to one of the old classics he tackles a big foot season four ah you know what i'm just sick all these monsters i'm just i'm retiring to be a sheriff

of an island owned by geoffrey epstein oh my god the ultimate monster hunt i thought you were going dr monroe but it's the same thing right um but i do love uh here's the thing if you're uh rod i know he's got some trouble with the law just sit down and like talk to the cops be like this is what happened man you know what i mean like running is not going to help anything here no running always makes it worse especially running out a window and your tidy wities but i do like it's a stupid kid move it makes sense it is a stupid kid and it's and it works against the fact that he looks like he's 32 and you know it's also i feel like it's great just to have like a character that people think is the killer yes you know like the the the red herring there by the way i fucking love the fact

And I don't think, I don't know if, I don't, it's been a while since I watched the other Freddy Kruger movies. I don't know if he's covering up his crimes as much in other movies. He frames this kid for murder. It's amazing. I'm talking about the hanging death. Yes. Specifically, my Lord, what a great moment.

It'd be cool. Oh, now I'm going to let it die down for a couple of years. Yeah, that's it. Now they got the wrong man. All the loose ends are tied up. Just cool it for a couple of years. Come back, Fred. All right, I'm going to make sure the security guards are all off today.

I'm going to make sure the cameras don't work around his little cell here. And, yeah, these bedchings will definitely make for good hanging material. You know, I've never thought about it, Eric, but you're totally right. Like, why bother? Just fucking turn this kid into soup like all the rest of them. Exactly, but it's adding, like, that layer of, well, maybe he doesn't exist. So now the adults don't get wise. he could keep on killing their kids

well you know because they think it's resolved I've never thought of Fred Kruger being that strategic with his murders but I guess early on he was really you know he was really committed to this he had a fucking vendetta against these people and he was going to cover his tracks nicely

but at the same time though wouldn't he want them to know right it's like you know I'm going to fucking come back I'm going to kill your kids you know I guess maybe once they die all like once even of old age or whatever besides the mother like they'll like get to hell eventually and he'd be like, I got you.

Well, I guess now I'm realizing I think I'm conflating like this movie and the lore here. Yes. With Willie being like, I'm gonna kill your kids in that dreams. Freddie, I don't think ever made that threat to the nightmare on Elm Street parents. No. And if they did, it would have been

in the remake where you see more of his origins. Right. They chase them down. You see that in the opening. Yeah. It's where they try to sympathize him in this in that movie that is one thing i am missing i think that was a good idea in the remake that isn't here is stressing the fact that it was a communal effort yeah because this they kind of like blur it like saxon says you know it's a couple of parents we all did it but it's really only him and marge that are really at the head of this thing

other than depth parents who are insane you don't you don't get a ton of detail here which I actually kind of love it is it makes it more ethereal you know what I mean you don't know you don't know how they killed I mean you know you don't you don't have all these specifics of a you don't know what town this is they never say the name of the town they never even say elm street they don't say and then Freddie once you know uh warn that he would come back and get us or any you know what I mean none of that's actually there it's all like we killed this guy and he's around you know what I mean yeah it's also cool to be like you're hunted by this killer in your dreams and then it's like you go to your parents for help and it's like

oh yeah i brute me your parents are also fucking murderers well that's yeah and that's that's what's so awesome about it it's such a great um you know the 80s obviously like there are certain decades that are very teen centric the 80s are you know what i mean like where teen culture is really important and this is a perfect teen allegory where it's like your parents did shit that you inherited that sucks you know what i mean and you're gonna pay the price for it yeah now you got to fucking pay the fiddler exactly uh it's weird though oh i just had something then I can feel it. I'm just watching it slip away from my

fucking mind's eye. I said something. Oh, it's weird that in the basement scene, so two things about the killing of Fred Kruger by these parents. I think one Marge must have been the one to come up with the idea to burn him alive. Because why else is she

the one that's gifted the glove? I feel like that's your fucking trophy for taking a soul. I think Marge Thompson fucking laid the death blow. She got it into divorce. You're not taking my fucking glove. Okay. We've got one boat.

You can have the boat. We've got the summer home. Okay, maybe we'll talk about it. We've got a couple of murder trophies here. We've got a glove. Some teeth. I want the teeth. Okay, Marge.

I get the teeth. And the ear necklace. But the other thing, in the seam, where, you know, she's got the fucking totally eerie line of like, you know, Fred Kruger can't hurt you anymore because mommy killed him kind of a thing. Like, Langenkamp's

reaction there, Nancy's reaction is not accurate to if your parent admitted to murdering someone in front of you. Like, she's just like, yeah, I fucking killed somebody. And like, she's just kind of like, well, okay, I mean, this isn't solving my

problem, mother. But I would be like, wait, holy fucking shit. My parents are murder. murderers? Hang on a second. Well, the way, I mean, since we're talking about the scene, now I'm going to talk about the scene.

I do, it is kind of a weird thing which is like, so who is this guy? And I was it, well, you know, he's a child killer in the neighborhood and, you know,

the, you know, a lawyer got, a lawyer got famous, a lawyer got fat, a judge got famous, and somebody signed the warrant in the wrong place.

I'm like, maybe he didn't do it at all. You know what I mean? It's like very, it's just that thing, like you watch enough true crime documentaries where it's like, maybe Fred crew

we just went to the wrong McDonald's one time and like, that's it. Like, oh, the timeline, it had to be Fred Krueger. Let's burn them to death. You know what I mean? Like, only a child killer would order coffee from McDonald's. Let's get him. Yeah, that would have been a better sequel as like a Joe Berlinger is doing a fucking documentary

on the fucking murders. Turns out it's the actually, it's the other stepfather who did it. Exactly. Because if he did it now, I mean, maybe he's grown as a character because he's trying to cover up his crimes now in the afterlife. But like, you kill 20 kids in the same neighborhood.

What the fuck are you expecting? Yeah. It's a good point. Spread it around. Drive to a different suburb. Exactly. I have to tell you how to kill kids. Just don't cross state lines though, dude, so then you can prevent the FBI from getting involved. Thank you, exactly. Because then otherwise you've got a

hapless sheriff. He's not doing anything. And the state east just drive by. Oh, yeah. You don't want to be mind hunted. And that's what happens is minute you go around state lines. Yep. You're getting mind hunted. Absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, it's kind of the next morning after Marge has been pounding gin and vodka all night. Nancy goes to school. She's walking to school. Rod, like, still like just leather jacket with no shirt on underneath, barefoot wearing a pair of jeans, grabs her from behind pulling into a bush. Yeah, it's like, I'm not going to hurt you. And I'm like, I don't know, man. You fucking grab me off the road. How about just like a, hey, Nancy, quick. Hey, shh. Nancy, come here. Look, I'm not fucking kidnapped me.

Look, I'm not good at communication, okay? If only there was a little device in your pocket where I could send you a message without anyone knowing about it. Fuck! 1980 fucking four. All I can do is yell! And as it turns out,

John Saxon has been tailing Nancy, so, you know, the cops arrest him immediately. My favorite John Saxon line in this movie because she's like, Really, Dad, you're using me as. bait. And then he goes, the hell you go to school for today anyway. Good point. It's a great point. And B, it's just such a John Saxon dad. Like, oh, your mother, of course, is going to send you to school after your friend gets murdered. God damn booze hound marge. I hate her.

I gave her the chain to keep you in the bed. I don't know why she does use it. She's going to get a call from me tonight. Uh, so you know, Nancy does go to school after watching her friend get arrested the morning after watching her friend's dead body be hauled out of her own home and so she's in this English class this is where the great Lynn Shea is

the English teacher she invites a student to like come up and read from a whatever they're reading Shakespeare I think and uh you fucking get a look at this guy reading out of this oh yeah man he fucking fell straight out of a Jan and Dean concert this guy's wearing like a party down

Hawaiian shirt, this big like bouffant hairdo. You're telling me this guy's going to high school in Indiana. That is a California look, my friend. Ohio, right? Oh, is it Ohio? I always mix these up. I think Springwood Ohio, which is not established in this film at all, by the way, right? No.

It's kind of just like any town USA vibe. But there's palm trees everywhere. Every which way but loose is palm trees. Yeah, the Ohio I read was only established in the sequel. So that's, so oh man so that's so funny these fucking rancid sequels like you know poorly fucking up this first

movie so like i never notice this but like it's not the first movies for like it doesn't matter if there's pometries in it because who gives a shit well then you fucking like retcon everything to ohio and now now it's a problem but like why like is that more relatable to the horror going audience like most people that would digest this product are in the midwest i mean why not just have it to be a California thing? Because that equates, like, everywhere. If it's the Midwest, it's everywhere. Like, it could be any town.

Yeah, but Chris, you could do, like, not saying, like, the high school needs to be, like, in L.A., which is where a lot of these interiors are. The bridge that Johnny Depp and her on, you know, that's L.A. That's from Hollywood Homicide. Yes, yep, yep. It's in a lot of movies, that bridge, that canal, whatever it is. But, like, if you set this in sort of, like, those weird, like, California suburbs where, like, poltergeist takes place and like where they live in ET, those are like relatable.

It doesn't mean you're like, it doesn't carry with it the same like metropolitan kind of vibe. Look at Halloween, which shot probably similar areas. I mean, I feel like some of these neighborhood shots of the houses in this movie look very similar to those that Michael Myers was walking around. Yeah, and that was also shot in California. I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it does help to the fact that like it, the place is so boring that you want to go to sleep. like that's kind that's the feeling I got I don't know if he was actually thinking that

and I'm sure there's there's definitely a critique of the suburbs in here but like well I think also he was like a Midwest guy so I think that kind of plays a little bit of a hand in it for sure so this is like you know this is I think to me one of

rewatching it last night one of like the most unsettling images in the movie is when she sees Tina like in the body bag like standing like standing up in the body bag specifically it fucking freaks me out

every time man and the creepy hall monitor you need a hall pass which is kind of cool screw your pass yeah do you think here's the thing I thought about and I didn't look her up on IMDB or anything maybe I'll try to look her up now to give her some credit here because we're talking about this character

but like do you think that Hall Pass actress is going to conventions? Is she taking a picture? She taking little videos saying screw your hall pass with fans? Yes, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say she's on cameo, the whole works. Camio for sure.

Convention circuit, because I would be, I'd be cashing in on every, blood from a stone. On the upper concourse, it's the blood from a stone convention. It's people who are barely in movies. Actually, interestingly enough, the actress's name is Leslie Hoffman.

She's still around. And it looks like she's actually a very, she does some acting here and there. But she's actually an incredibly accomplished stunt woman. Oh, cool. I mean, that's probably why she was on the set to begin with. Right, yeah. All right, we need somebody to get knocked on your ass. All right, come over here.

Now you just got to say, where's your hall pass with a bloody nose? Now on the basement concourse, which I guess is a thing, Leslie Hoffman. and the We Hate Movies podcast. Yep. She has the bigger booth. Stunt double for Joan Collins and Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas. That's nice. It's a fucking stay tuned to half that movie.

She's done... What is she going to pile of her in that movie or what happened? What does Joan Collins do a fucking stunt double for? Oh, I think John Goodman throws her out the window. Got it. Or not John Goodman. Excuse me, Mark Addy. But yeah.

Anyway. You know, and I, and I, love like the way it just sort of like it all kind of keeps going back into this area of obviously the boiler and again like you don't really know what the boiler is because you don't know that he's a janitor yet or any of that stuff it's just sort of a symbol and it's just sort of a vague symbol that like heat hell darkness blah blah blah it's all there but it's not like very specific like well he was a janitor that's why he likes broilers so much it it reminds me you know it makes me think of hell yes you know hell fire all of that stuff it also reminds me

that I'm due for a rewatch of Terminator 2 because this, I mean, it just looks like a fucking foundry that a Terminator is going to run through it any second. Yeah, the whole industrial vibe made me think of the same thing, Andrew, and I just love movies that either start or conclude in some type of industrial facility that is very hot, and there's a lot of factors going on.

Oh, can I then interest you in movies from the 1980s? Yes. And any of them, just really any of them. Yeah. Out of Africa, I think does that end up in a foundry of some sort. You're already foundry scene in out of Africa.

Yes, I do remember that. So, you know, she's going down there. There is the shot also right before she gets to the boiler of just Tina's body bag is on the floor in the hallway. Oh, yes. The legs lift up

and she gets dragged. So crazy. The whole like invisible drag. And this is where it's like, in one of those sequels, it'd be like he would be doing it going Let me quote the seven dwarves while I do this. Yep. You're exactly, he'd be fucking singing a song. He'd be fucking dancing, doing something.

And if it was a remake, you couldn't see a fucking thing that was happening. Yes. But it's so much scarier. It would be killed to do a whiskey bottle. It's so much scary with a ghost like dragging someone away. Well, exactly. Again, like you don't see him. You just, he's just a presence.

You know, it's not like, it's scarier that way. and his reveal here in this boiler room scene is great because nancy's like walking through the you know little hallway there the walkway or whatever um and she comes upon him and you see him like they're shooting him like through a bunch of pipes and shit and he's got his hat off and i'm just imagining like this is like fred krueger's like sitting down to dinner and it's like oh what's that oh no someone's coming now oh my beans are ready oh god damn it i got to put my hat back on. All right, let's get scary here. All right, uh, got the glove going. All right, got the glove, got the hat. All right. Come to Freddy. Like this, his come to Freddy right here, it's fucking iconic.

Yes. This line delivery. It's so awesome. She's fucking freaking out. There's a great chase scene through all of this. This is where she burns her arm on the pipe to wake herself up. The music, too, is fucking amazing. I was wondering, I didn't look at up yet, but I want to, just to see

if this score was ever put out on vinyl or something, because it's fucking rad music all throughout this. It's synthi. Sometimes we go into laser effects, and I'm not so into it, but most of the time, we don't, and it's awesome. I'm 100% into the laser sounds too.

All right, there you go. That's when he's going in for the kill. That's when the real big spectacle happens. But there's a lot of, like, eerie, like, just like a whole, holding, like, a really, like, a violin, kind of like stringy nightmare noise kind of a thing for a really long time which rules and some of these shots too are like just some dude running with a camera yes it's very like really puts you in the middle of it it's very exciting i love uh so she wakes up lynn she's hey lynn you're on um

lyn j uh you know it's like oh my god are you okay because she knows what's what the deal is and she's like no i'm just gonna go home and she's like okay and i'm like hey as an educator you cannot let this girl leave school like this. You absolutely, you got to, she's like, because Lynn She's like, let me call your mom's and say, no, no, no, I'll just walk home, it's fine. No, no. Absolutely not. Because this goes jumps up a bridge. Guess who's fucking in jail,

Lynch, you. Exactly. Exactly. You find the biggest nerd in that class and you say, Martin, the class is yours. I have to escort Nancy down to the nurse's office. Exactly. You cannot let this girl out of your sight, Lynn Shea.

What are you doing? And it's kind of weird she leaves. and then she gets met by her other boyfriend, Ferris Bueller, who's dressed like her father. And he goes, do you have a kiss for daddy? So that's how it is in there for him. Oh, he's just so nonplussed by incest in that movie. It's weird. Hold on.

Nancy has left school because of nightmares nine times this nightmare. Nine nightmares, Nancy. Oh, my God, now he's going. What was his last? Principal Ed Rudy. I don't know. I think they like Freddy Krueger. They think he's a righteous dude.

So Ed. Rudy is like now pursuing Freddie Krueger. I like Oh, I'm the sausage king of Chicago. He goes to boiler rooms and see someone with a similar jacket. It's like, I got you now. I wanted to look it up to give the composer credit here. The guy's

name is Charles Bernstein. Also worked with Craven on the score for Deadly Friend. The same year, as deadly friend. He did the score for April Fool's Day with a slasher motion picture. Freddy's stabbing somebody at that da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ta-da-ta-da-ta-da-ta-da-ta-da-ta-ta-ta-da.

Freddy's the Freddy-Mobile thing at the end of the movie comes out. It's like, oh, yeah. Similar kind of ending, actually, a little bit. What do you mean the miles aren't coming off? I don't believe in isms. You know, it's fine when the devil comes up. I mean, Freddie and the devil are going to have a little chat. My father pushes me around and he kills janitors with abandon.

Hey, what are you still doing here? The movie's over. Come on. That's a great movie. That's pretty great. Oh, Freddie Cougars Day Off. It's easy. It's done.

We're done with a previous episode, Ferris, Bueller. day off. Freddy Kruger, you're my hero. When, Cameron, when I was pulled into the under the bathtub, did you look at me? Okay. So she does go, this is when

she does go home, this is the bathtub scene, I believe, right? Pretty much next to the movie, which does, so iconic. The only thing, it doesn't matter. She goes to see Rod in jail really quickly. Oh, that's right. Rod admits to

also having nightmares. He says four razors cutting at the same time. It's like invisible razor blades. And I'm like, I'll just write that down in my invisible typewriter. Jackass. Well, the thing about that, that's the scene right there where it's like,

okay, Tina is dead. Rod is in jail for the murder. Rod says he had a dream about a dude who's Freddie Kruger. Nancy freaked out right here. He's like, I got to go. no no no no this is where you're like rod we had the same dream about the same person like i believe you now and instead she goes home and falls asleep at the tub yeah she should clue rod in a little

bit he's like the oh glen's not gonna fucking help you with this shit no no glen's just a little rich boy across the way just like throwing a football in his room i guess yep that is really the growth of watching this movie over the years is like i really do think johnny debt deserves the bloodbath at this point oh for sure like even just his character in this movie i'm Like, yeah, that's about right. Well, he's a dinketh, you know what I mean? Like, he's just totally aloof. You know what I mean?

And he's like holding back like information. Really, by not saying early on, like, I'm this too. I'm going through this too. Like you're holding it back. You're giving him more time for Freddie to fuck everybody up. Yeah, but I guess it's important for them to establish like the skeptic perspective to keep making this seem like, you know, like make her think she's crazy. Isn't that what John Saxon is?

I mean, he's like leading the skeptic charge. right i mean the mother too for sure he has more uh scenes with heather langen camp's character than the parents though do so so we're in the bathtub i had a question is that yeah does anyone have a west craven doesn't really do nudity right like or not a lot of it because i mean and again this is a very good thing especially for this movie especially yeah it it's it's this could be a cheesy you know boob fest and it's not which is very good it makes you movie age a lot better. Yeah, because you don't need it. Like, I feel like a lot of

those slasher's, and you know, not that I'm against it necessarily, but like a lot of that nudity, I just feel like it's like we're making a sensational arm movie. We're going to make it as sensational as possible. And it's very believable, like in that first scene between Rod and Tina, like it, I believe they just

had sex. It's not like, I need that extra thing. Oh, yeah, fucking tits not going to convince me otherwise. It's like, oh, I heard all the fucking slamming that was going on in the And she's lounging around in, like, open attires, so it's, like, enough. It's not prudish at all, but it's also not, like, it's not salacious in that way. And even, so what do you say, so you, you had beef with the, the tit shot and the, the underwater part here?

No, no, I was just curious, is there new, eh, there's, that's, that's, that's kind of obscured and already, it's not like, I was just saying that I'm glad that there's not, like, just, I'm going to take my shirt off. Here's me with my shirt off kind of a thing. It's, like, there's even the moment. I think it's like right maybe it's right around here. Maybe it's later in the film. There's a part where Nancy has to change a shirt and Langen camp like turns around and like

you see your back but there's no nudity there versus like yeah Friday the 13th like I'm just changing I'm front facing the camera kind of a thing. The difference too is like Freddie's hunting what we keep on being told are children. Yes. And and Jason's hunting like camp counselors

which we assume are 20 or something. And she's a very yeah. And Langencamp is very young looking 20 in this movie like she looks like a kid you know what I mean like it's not like you you're not like oh it's not like I don't even know like Rooney Mara even looks a little older in that movie kind of a thing it just

she's got like a baby face it's very it's very effective for her vulnerability and your sympathy for her kind of a thing it's interesting because her in depth do look younger and Rod and Tina look older yes absolutely she has that line at one point where she's like God I look like

I'm 20 yeah it's like uh you look like me at 36 so thanks a lot well that reminds me because it's because it's after when she's all fucking like grayed her hair like rog and shit she's like god I look like shit I look like I'm 20 I'm like fuck I wish I look like 20 by the way I love the shot of just the glove in in the tub and the fact that like we linger on it far enough that like the mother's knock

and then Freddie has to like pull his arm back underwater yeah totally I also love the inflatable bath pillow. I don't know. Man, these the clamshell inflatable bath pillows. Every time I watch this movie, it sends me on a trip down memory lane because my mother's sister had these all

the time. These huge like inflatable, they were always shaped like a clam shell for some reason. And it just, it looks like the shittiest thing that you would never want to bring in the tub with you. It looks so uncomfortable to me. I did. I had no idea what this was. I thought it was a toy.

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing with this? I remind you the Simpsons while Mother had the inflatable bath pillow they're always arguing about that that's right I was screeching and screeching at him

this is the first time you see her right after she gets out of the tub right here the boozehound mom unlocks the door and she's fine and everything you see her taking stay awake the fast acting poppers to not go to sleep man

the Lord knows like that's you're deciding your own death warrant you just you're just passing it off a little further yeah yep there are a lot of transitions in this movie that are fade to black feels like we're going to a commercial is that do you think that's meant to be more of like a you're going to sleep type of thing i feel like it's an odd transition for wes to use yeah i i i don't know when they come is it always a fade to black before we're then in a dream sequence um i what There's lots of fade to black. I don't think it's just for his dream sequences.

Yeah, I think it's, I think like around the classroom transitioning outside. It's just like not, it's almost nonsensical the way he's positioning these fade to blacks, but I believe there is one when Glenn stands guard for the sleeping. So there is, I mean, sort of some of them work in that regard. I wonder if he was editing it for TV in his head, like first before he, because, I mean, he had been working in TV at the time. Yeah. So he might have thought like firsthand like this might, you know, this might be the easiest way to transition if they're going to show it. It could have been more of a style at the time that I'm just not as aware of. I'm sure there's tons of movies that went by the wayside that may have used that as a transition. Oh, for sure. I don't mind. It's a little staccatoe. Like, you know, you break up the action that way and like you kind of reset for another. Because I mean, so much of this is like, and here's this scene and then here's this. You know what I mean? Like it just it's it's it flows very broken up that way.

Yeah, it's weird. It's, it's broken up, but it doesn't feel like disjointed and it doesn't feel like too. I mean, it doesn't feel too slow. I've always liked the pace of this movie. I mean, it's only like 91 minutes or something. Perfect thing. I think like, yeah, I could totally see it, you know, saying like, oh, it's just like the effect of nodding off. Like when you're closing your eyes. You know, I could see that justified here for sure. So she's, she's watching Evil Dead and she's like, you know, Glenn comes over and you know she's like all right Glenn I'm gonna go find someone I go looking for someone she says you know you need to like be here to wake me up or whatever and then this is yeah this is we got her fade to black here she's walking down Elm Street you know and this is the great Glenn are you still watching and John Depp like comes out from behind the tree yeah so and there's no like there's no her saying like well then you fucking fellas asleep dude you're not watching i think this is referenced in that simpsons episode you brought up i think

that actually happens in that if i'm not mistaken yeah totally uh so she in her dream sort of wanders to the police station and we see this is where like freddie is this where he walks through the bars um because she can see rod in jail and yeah like freddie comes in he walks through the bars and it's kind of like menacing with him but this is not where the death blow is is laid just yet. No. You know, I think there's another,

oh, this is a, she's walking around in this dream, and this is the fucking gross, like, it's the body bag again, but like a bunch of her

just falls out onto the ground. It's like maggots and centipedes and shit, you know. Oh, it's insane. A centipede comes out of her mouth and then there's a bunch of like, you know,

whatever, whatever snakes and shit. Yes. Oh, that's right, the bug that comes out of her. Yeah, that's fucking horrifying.

Yeah. Did we mention that an earlier moment? I think we might have been talking about it off air before we went on the online here, which, uh, of Freddie cutting his own like chest and like green blood and maggots falling out. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. No, all of that's so good. I love the, the idea that he's just got like gross green ooze in him for no reason. I just like that he's into cutting himself. Like, finally a relatable character. I'm a maggot.

Oh, tell me I'm terrible. That's how she beats him at the end She goes, Freddy, you're shit And he goes, oh shit, yes I can leave now Could you light a cigar put it out on me It reminds me of when I was born again But you know

So there's a Freddy attack here Kind of in the dream Yeah, she's screaming he isn't real this is where he the fucking terrifying he jumps through the mirror that shot yes it's a good

it's a great jump scare it really really is um the fucking mom waking up around here Nancy boy she's just so fucking out of it and uh you know Nancy wakes up and realizes like

she's got to get to the police station to save Rod and this is uh rod is just hanged in the cell by Freddie um the fucking like she's like demanding to see him in the middle of the night. I love when she walks in and she's just

like, going to that one cop, like, Garcia! I need to see my friend. And it's just like, I know this fucking scumbag. He works with my dad. I can treat him like shit. Garcia! Fucking boss's daughter. Hi! Hi! Can I help you? He even has some line about like, you know, I took the night shift to get a little peace and quiet around here.

And then she goes, the janitor's your superior. He's like, hey, that's from Scream. Hey, shut up. That's from Scream. love that John Sachs is like, I'm not going back home with that wife. I'm staying at the office all the time. I'm pretty sure he's got a dad apartment somewhere. Yeah, he doesn't live there. They're divorced. It's just, uh, it's a, I would love to see that apartment.

It's just got fucking scotch and fucking silver bullets left and right. And I mean the fucking fun kind. Scotch, so, yeah, silver bullets, fucking ice cold. You got some beautiful, richly polished mahogany furniture. The only, the only monster. I'm worried about killing as a werewolf of three, sick silver bullets. Glug, glug, baby. Look at what I got here.

A race car bed. Very comfortable. Yeah, my apartment complex has a sign out front. Now seven days since the last suicide. What's that a full moon? Better have a 30 rack of those silver bullets to be safe. I, uh, yes, uh, he's on a day. now. So, well, yeah, you know, things went sour on my marriage ever after, ever since we killed

that child killer. You never come back from that. Excuse me? Oh, yeah, you know, we started having sex less, you know, I would, I would take the garbage out and go for a walk afterwards. Oh, when we killed a child killer. You know, I can cancel my order, actually. I can cancel my order now. The soul of the man we killed took my wife, so technically I'm a widower. This woman leaves the restaurant, and he's like, you know what? Still bring me her steak. I'm starving. And uh-oh, I thought I heard a howl.

Get me another silver bullet. Doggy bag for one. Gonna go out to this bar and get me another couple silver bullets while I wait for the waiter to get me a silver bullet. And then after that, I'm going to smoke 12 packs of cigarettes in my office and call it police work. uh you know and the thing is she says to sacks she's explaining after rod's funeral she's like you know i fucking saw this guy

in my dream you know he's got a red and green sweater he wears a strange hat and he smells like shit i feel that's the thing we're not mentioning yes no one says that he smells like shit and like you're in these dreams you got to be like i was in this boiler room it smelled like shit this guy was chasing me it smelled like shit then too I think it's something about this guy

smells like shit daddy it's weird he smells like burned flesh I don't know what it is right and egg stuff oh around here is the great fucking Charles Fletcher cameo is the sleep doctor

yeah that's the next move but they take her to a sleep study I always kind of wanted to do a sleep study just seems really cool I almost did one really the biggest fear I would have would be pitching a tent there

oh that's a good way sure dude that would be you Oh, you got to clear the decks if you're about to go do a sleep study, man. Yeah, that's actually true. And then the doctor would be like, look at that. He couldn't write Tina on that thing. You know, your sleep patterns are just fine, but your hard on is just, I mean, it is extraordinary, is what it is. Can you tell me how you do that?

Can you tell me how to do that? Bend over and I'll show you. you know and the mom in this movie is ronnie blakley who has been another she was um she's barbred in nashville i think that's probably her like next biggest nominated for an oscar yeah um so she's like she's great and so i just i feel like in this movie she does not get the good lines and it just forces her to kind of just be a shitty character and like in this scene specifically she has what i feel might be the worst line of the movie like she's sitting there with charles fleischer and she's smoking in

this doctor's office and she's like, you know, what the hell are dreams anyway? And I'm like, come on, that's terrible and you know it. But that's good drunk talk. I'll be honest with you. Yeah, I'm hammered all the time. I might say something stupid like that. My thing, oh, you go. I was just going to say, it's also tough, like, it's tough to act drunk and have you not look like a cartoon mouse, you know? Well, it is a hard. And when your character has to be fake drunk all the time it's tough i mean that's the problem she is react the reason that she feels like she's from her is because she's reacting correctly to what's happening she's having a breakdown she's having a mental breakdown and drinking herself to death because of what happened whereas john saxon's like

it never happened it was good you hear me it was good i uh anyone else notice in this scene in charles flech's a little dream you know she's oh i'm i'm really hoping you mentioned what i want you to mention it has to be we have to be talking with the same thing so she's sleeping in one room, you know, glass, and then they're in this little office, and he's got all these meters and stuff. And to the left, and they're having this conversation, what are dreams? Like, well, people don't know, blah, blah, blah. To the left, it is a bunch of cats on a trolley as a poster. And it's, and it's like, where is this? I mean, I guess it's like an in-joke kind of a thing, like, here's this cute thing in this horrible movie, but it's, it's amazing.

It's just a bunch of cats riding a San Francisco trolley car. I don't understand why this is a poster. And I've never noticed it before. I've seen. this movie like 40 times. Last night was the first time I was like, are those cats riding a trolley car? I missed it to be honest with you. Oh, dude. I'm going to have to go back and get you a screenshot, buddy. Yeah, they're heading to the Castro.

But what I love about this scene, too, I mean, obviously the dream stuff is a bit wrote, but I mean, I love that you don't see her nightmare. You just watch her. Have it. Yeah. And she pulls the hat out. This is where she pulls the hat out of the dream. But yeah, we don't see what this

dream is at all. This entire scene. is from the perspective of Charles Fleischer and this drunk mother, it's great. And the following morning, another fucking a total lull line right here, just total L.O.L. She's like, Heather Langenkamp goes up to Ronnie Blakely, you know, and she's like, so did you ask Daddy to have the hat examines?

Eric, I am putting the cat trolley in the chat right now. Oh, I can't wait to look at it again. Oh, Steve, I love that someone posted that somewhere else. already. That is actually quite incredible and he's quite a big cat. It's huge and he's wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Is that a ninja under him a separate photo?

Yeah, I don't know what that is. I mean, he's having a little bit of fun in the sleep study office. It's pretty nice. Person who's taking this like screenshot here for this website I don't know. Why don't we get the head on angle of the television? You see this angle right here? Come on.

That's not what I do when I take pictures of my TV, which all the time come on nancy please go to sleep oh by the way Andrew speaking on that I never thought in my life my television would be the most photographed thing in my house but it is yep here we are dude here we are so you know yeah did you ask daddy dad the hat examined she still has the hat and this is another great thing where she's like I know his name mom it's right here in the hat Fred Kruger mom and I'm like this fucking child killer janitor right writing his name in his hat. I mean, I guess so.

I mean, it harkens back to an older era, right? Like, sure, you don't want to get hats mixed up at the bus station or something? Yeah, maybe they killed them in the 60s or whatever, and I feel like a lot of people were more into monogramming. The night janitor keeps on taking it. His name's

Teddy. That's my hat. No, it's not. Well, no, open it Up, look inside. Look on the label, my friend. I don't think I have to do that. It's full of blood and chicken skin. I guess this is your hat.

Oh, you know what? Actually, I'm sorry. It smells like shit. This is definitely your hat. And you can definitely keep it. Yep. I love this confrontation with the mother about the drinking and maybe I could grab that bottle with you and veg out. Oh, yeah. Ignore everything that's happening to me by getting. good and loaded. Loaded. I'm like,

not a bad idea. I don't know. What other options do you have, Nancy? I feel like I'm living in Groundhog Day here. Now we're in December recording this, right? I have to check December 17th. We're recording this episode. I feel like every day

for months now, I've been like who that was a lot of whiskey you drank. And in the morning, I'm like, listen, let's kind of get our life back together. And then you're just like, you know what? Whiskey sounds good. Oh, absolutely.

So, you know, we're wandering around Indiana, which is obviously California. Ohio. Ohio. It is Ohio. Okay. I think maybe here's the thing, guys. Yeah. We might not be realizing the genius here. I think the reality is the dream and the dreams are the reality. That's why there's palm trees.

I see. Oh, makes total sense. Incredible. But, you know, they're talking like her and Johnny Depp were talking dream strategies while eating in and out burger or whatever they got here. Well, he's like, oh, whenever I'm stressed out, I'm eating. I'm like, I guess you never get stressed out, huh, Johnny Depp? Yeah, totally. A little rich boy here, never experiencing stress in his life. String bean. There's a weird. So she's like, he tells her about some culture where they understand how to like manipulate their dreams and all. like art and music comes from their dreams or whatever uh and then like she shows him like this

book that uh she has all about like fucking booby traps and shit and he's like uh why are you reading this another bad line here unfortunately i'm into survival yeah why are uh why are you reading this book about ciphers and why are these letters addressed to the san francisco chronicle oh could you hold my face sack for a second man, see, that's a thing. Freddy Kruger should have teamed up with one of these kids to help him kill. Did that ever happen? That's sort of what's going on in the second.

I don't say the part two kind of goes that way. Two is pretty, I remember it being decent. I dig it, man. I dig it. I was going to say, totally lost it. Yeah, I think it's a very clear one, two, and then three, I guess. And then it's, I don't know if it all goes like linearly down in quality, but like, it's just, it's,

it's a quality cliff after three probably it's a morass it's for sure four five and six are just bad yeah they're full on bad i feel like i'd i'd elevate new nightmare up farther it'd be funny to go back and look at our uh franchise ranking episode for this what was the uh what was the rhyme because you just said four five six oh grab your crucifix yes thank you uh you know so mom did a little shopping at the home security store. It's fucking insane. Like Nancy just coming home

and there's bars on all the windows. The mom just was like drunkenly purchasing shit like me on Amazon at 2 a.m. You know, good for her though, man. She gets this stuff up quick. For a full on alcoholic to be able to revamp the entire house she gets in her and outer locks installed.

It's a busy day for this lady. Well, I feel like for like the locksmith company and like the home security people, you can only stand a drunk person just screaming at you for so long before you're like, we better step it up and finish this job because we're going to kill this lady.

You're doing it all wrong. Yeah, I got some tips for you. It's a bunch of peanuts in my pocket. Does it look like a jail to you? Doesn't look like a jail to me. You didn't take a put a bar. You're going to put some bars. I'll be right back

she walks outside the house blacks out returns home and the bars are up she's like okay I did it but it's an interesting thing to put up the bars because it's like

maybe that would have helped you against Michael Myers or some other type of slasher because we're so firmly in the realm of supernatural it's a deterrent against yourself I mean it just makes it worse because it ultimately

winds up killing Glenn. I mean, towards the end of it, I'm relatively sure she's trying to kill her daughter. Like when she's passed out on the couch and like, I barred you all in and you're going to fucking sleep. You hear me? I'm like, yeah, you're trying to kill your kid now. Cool. You're going to sleep forever in the trunk of my car, which will also be sleeping on the bottom of a lake. Listen, you know what? You kill one person, then you get all this fucking guilt. They said he was at that McDonald's and he said that he killed those

kids in there. I swear it happened. Despite the fact that a man already behind bars confessed to all the crimes. Exactly. John Sexton never wanted to have bars on the window. I want to have bars on the window.

Oh, here's what happened. She was like, listen, I want you to put bars on my house. And she was meaning like an alcoholic bar. I think I would like a I'll be home before dark-esque thing like 20 years later the DNA evidence like reveals it's

somebody else entirely. Oh my God. Somebody was just trying to fucking do Ancestry.com and they got got and it's like Freddie Kroogers's like, fucking thank you. I guess I can finally stop killing your kids because they found Jeff Rogers at the other part of the lake.

Yeah, I am Jeff Rogers and I killed all those kids. I, too, like ordering black coffee at McDonald's. The same one that Fred Kruger went to. Who had a guest? Yeah, we almost mixed up hats one time, but he wrote his name and his. Every day with the Mick Cafe, even if it gave me the brown lightning. God. Look, I just have a lot of Christmas sweaters. I don't know what to tell you.

I'm a festive, festive guy. I've been dead for years. I have it, Jeff Rogers. And in the process, I've also killed like 60 more kids. Thank you. Oh, in the real world, not in their dreams. I've been setting up janitors all across the state. I mean, it was my dream, but not their dreams.

No, no, no. So this is, you know, we can skip over because we really already talked about it, but this is where she takes. Nancy down to the basement and you know he can't catch you now he's dead because mommy killed him and I made sure John Sachs you wouldn't

know where it is because it's mine you understand that and we get so she calls Glenn and she's like listen Glenn you know I got this thing you got to come over does she tell him that's come over his house yeah come over my house X amount of time I'm going to sleep and you're going to

have to clock this son of a bitch he's got little Johnny Depp's going to knock out Fred fucking Kruger dream monster. Okay. Yeah. She's like, you know, I bring him out. You hit him on the head and we got the fucker. I love his father just drinking beer staring at her window. Oh, dude, it rules. Dude, that guy, I don't know what's going on. Something tells me not the first time that man has stared at that girl's bedroom window. That girl is no good. It's just no good, Charlene. I love it. It's like a Joe Polito knockoff. Yes. And you know, Johnny Depp's got this,

portable television these great great headphones by the way always love these headphones the fact that the TV is firmly on his junk is something yeah dude you're going to sterilize yourself that way I mean maybe that's the plan all the time but I don't know

you know there's a reference here I didn't understand like when she's on the phone with him and he's making a crack about the bars and he goes you look like the prisoner of Zendar anybody get that I can Google it I have no idea I don't know.

Yeah, but the old whatever you do, don't fall asleep. From the original Battlestar Galactica or something. The prisoner of Zenda is an 1894 adventure novel. There's that. Who knows? You know what? It sounds like a reference I would make.

Wow, you sound smart. The crazy thing here is when the mom comes in, and Glenn is like dozed off a little she's like I don't understand how you listen to your music and watch the TV at the same time and he's like you know oh well I don't I don't need to you know watch it on the screen miss nude America is going to be on tonight and she's like well how are you going to hear what she has to say and he's like I don't want to hear what she has to say okay enjoy your coming son exactly I enjoy jerking off in my home excellent like absolutely not am I telling my mother that's what I'm watching. Like, oh, the ball game ran late. Exactly. Are you got tissues? You got enough. I don't want it on the laundry, honey. The ball game, pocket

pool. I always hate when your father comes on the sheets, too. I love the thing here. Like, the mom is like, all right, now go to bed. I'm going to go chug some gin. Bye. And she takes like, she clears out Nancy's room a little bit

and takes a coffee pot. And then the great reveal of she's got another whole coffee machine under the like the side table a coffee machine look again look i don't know stash a couple of coax you'll be fine you know what i mean get a jolt cola going absolutely dude we need some just some carbonated beverages with some caffeine in them like the whole the whole thing of like you're just constantly drinking coffee like i love coffee but drinking it that much man like yeah that's fucking diarrhea she should like she'd like steal some cocaine from her dad's evidence locker. I mean, the over-the-counter, like,

wake-up drugs of the time. It's in 1980s. They're essentially meth. I'm so excited. I'm so, so scared. That's the idea. I love the Glenn's drunk dad line right here is awesome. He's like,

I think that kid's a lunatic or something. And she tries to call again, and that's what he unplugged the phone. and you know on second thought unplug and this is and this is the classic i'm your boyfriend now nancy with the tongue phone oh yeah the tongue phone man that's kind of the one of the bigger jokier moments of for sure that is then carried throughout the rest of the franchise yeah and that's the thing though like that's as jokey as it gets and it's still fucking gross and uncomfortable yeah because it's a little it's gross it's it's it's like it's a joke but it's also skeezy as all fuck the i'm your boyfriend now thing is menacing and the tongue is just gross yeah they just kind of amplify this move as it goes on yeah totally uh you know so this is of course the famous johnny dep getting sucked into the bed and exploding it's a real cablammo march it's awesome it's awesome it's a really cool death

I love that you just don't, he just goes under and the gushing is just... Yep. Oh, I love that we don't see his dream or other people's dreams. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Like, he just goes in and he just gets fucking got, dude, and it's just blood everywhere. I love that his mother sees it coming out of the bed. Therefore, like, you know what, dude, go, go tell that to John Saxon.

I don't know, dude, a geyser, a geyser of blood that I assume is my son. I love the detail, too, like, of the coroner's here. He's puking his guts like with John. dude there's two lines like that there's that one it's like one cop to another one uh i think it's one there's like the deputy to saxon or something like that but then there's another line where this fucking emergency medical professional is like you won't need a stretcher up there you'll need a mom i mean you know what dude he's right he's totally right but like no one no one and like they're all just like wow that's a really bad death no one is really questioning like so

what the fuck happened to this guy? So a kid was watching TV in bed and then his whole body's painting the walls. Okay. TV's bad for you. I feel like you're asking some questions of these parents, not for nothing, John Saxon. Absolutely.

Where is the bone and the meat is what I'm worried. That's what I need to know. I'm sorry. I need to know it. She fucking calls over, you know, and gets John Saxon on the horn. She's like, you know, I know who did it. I know who did it, Daddy. And he's like, well, come on, baby. Tell me, I'll go arrest the guy.

And she's like, Fred Kruger did it, daddy. And he's like, ha, my crazy fucking daughter. Why don't you just go to sleep? Hey, hey, my deputy who's going to be the guy in scream. You watch that window for hours. And if anything happens, you come get me. Ah, there's just no way it could be a dream monster. I mean, there has to be another explanation about how Johnny Depp got wrong.

out like a wet mop in that room. I do love that detail of sending this dude to like watch the windows. And by the time she breaks like four or five of them, he's like, maybe something isn't right. Yeah, dude. Yeah, he's like, oh, maybe I better get the lieutenant. Like the first time she's slamming on

the window, you go get that lieutenant. Well, his daughter is screaming out the windows and breaking and can't get through the bars. You know what? Let's let her break one more. She screams, like, get my dad, you asshole. Hold on, I'm trying to get

fired. Well, she's doing the home aloning right here. Yes. You will always kind of forget about this movie, but it does kind of rule with the sledgehammer and the piano wire and all sorts of crazy shit. Oh, put the gun powder and the light bulb. That's a fucking great move. That's nuts.

And that's from her fucking survival book that Johnny Depp was freaked out by. So she sets an alarm clock and she's going to go in and get Fred Krueger and she does say to John Saxon like all right dad you know it'll be in half an hour it'll be 1130 or whatever you know come over to the house and wake me up and Fred Krueger's going to be there and he's like yeah go into bed that sounds like a great idea for you pumpkin I'm almost shocked they didn't go for like John Saxon actually coming over and it's like

it's dark in here let me turn on this light oh I've exploded oh fuck that would great yeah you go Oh, my head. You go to sleep, anything spooky, scary happens. You can tell me tomorrow. Jesus, fucking Christ. Jesus. Oh, got to get her out of that house. I wish the judge gave me custody.

She kept the gloves. At least I could have taken the kid. Did you guys catch in the dream sequence here when Nancy goes down to the basement, the fucking tapestry that is on this basement wall? Yes. Oh, my God. It's just dogs playing pool. What?

I didn't see this, no. She goes down into the basement, and in the background, there's a tapestry on the basement wall. And it's just, it's a riff on the stupid four dogs playing poker painting. But it's just dogs playing pool. The fact that that's in here and this cat thing, like, is he trying to say something about, like, the complacency of suburbia? Yeah, I think so, like how cute everything is and how the darkness underneath, I guess, is kind of the idea. I mean, we're stretching to get there, but I like stretching. Yeah.

Yeah. So like she wakes up right here and Kruger popping up here is another huge jump scare in the movie, which is fucking great. Because she wakes up and like she's in the bed and she looks around and he's not there and she's like, oh, I guess it didn't work. And like the second you can sort of see her mentally decide like, oh, it didn't work, that's right when they have Robert England jump up right there. It's so awesome. I mean, the thing is like she's very confident that she's going to have this nightmare and she's going to be in her own house. I don't know me like every time I have a dream I'm like oh fuck I'm in my old house oh wow I'm just you know I'm at a fucking I'm gonna I'm at a best buy you know and you could be anywhere I'm in my house that's also a Marriott that's also a restaurant I went to when I was 12 exactly that's exactly where you are dreams or I'm just going to bed way too high every night and I don't really have dreams that's my fucking fuck I gotta start doing that more I obviously have been doing that but I need to really really dull these senses I really almost never dream I really never dream I really I mean, the funny thing is one got through the other night

and it was the most boring thing and also kind of a tease. I was at my neighborhood bar up the block just sitting there and like I remember thinking in the dream like there was a guy at the bar next to me and he was like not wearing a mask and I remember in the dream

being like, can't believe this fucking guy's not wearing a mask. And then I was like and you're not wearing a mask. And then I was I kind of pulled the fucking Twin Peaks and was like what year is it? And then I just woke up. It's like It was like weird to me being in a place. That was my nightmare was just being in a place.

I'm trying to get this guy, but he keeps getting too high. It's fucking annoying. That's the trick. That's what they should be doing. Yes, that's the move. Yeah, forget to whatever the fucking drug is they have in Freddie versus Jason. Hypnissil. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Nice bull, dude. It's got to be a drug either way. It's got to be either better meth or like something that blacks you out. Yeah, just get some good fucking sticky yicky, dude. The last dream I have. you know, it's my father. I'm now, I guess, the older man than he is.

He was riding along and he had the porch to light the way. And then Freddie Kruger killed his boat. I'm just saying, I'm getting old people now. I'm just saying, I don't think coffee's going to do it. I think she needs to, like, be blaring sister Christian from that room. Yeah, dude.

Ooh, now we're talking. Yeah. He says to her somewhere around here, I'm going to split you in two. Yep. Yeah. I, I, it's it's interesting to see him, like, pulled into the real world and him getting the sledgehammer in the gut and stuff. Oh, that is so fucking funny.

I love it. I love she fucking tosses gas all over him and he's like, oh, I know that smell. No. My weakness. I'm a little surprised. He's just like, I'm not making this? What's happening? It'd be cool if he called for like a truce.

Like, I didn't know I could even come back to this real world. Hey, hey, chill out. Come on. What was? Yeah, no. You go your way. mine. I'll just, where's the nearest bus station? Literally, we're good here. We're good. Thank you for bringing me back, by the way. What is the thing that just hit me in the chest that hurt like hell? A hammer? You call it.

Why does he not know what a hammer is? I don't know. I figure he just forgets English when it goes to the afterlife. He puts on like a fake human mask like a ninja turtle. Listen, before I'm going to Vegas. Before I got picked up by your dad, I buried $300 in cash. I know where that is. I can get an apartment somewhere. I'll get out of your hair. Just let me, how do I open this door exactly? And so like Saxon and the crew like rush into the house. They can't find where he is. Then all of a sudden, this is the thing I don't understand was like they all come into the front door and

there's no flames going up the staircase. And like they kind of just pan to the left for a And then Nancy's like, look, flaming footsteps that you just walked by and weren't there a second ago. Maybe he was like hiding in the kitchen for a second, just burning. Okay, wait for them to go downstairs. They see what they got here. Oh, Doritos. Oh, Dorita chips. Flaming it hot.

I got killed before I got to eat these. They've come out of so many new flavors of chips I like since I died. You know, and then the fucking totally. unsettling image of Kruger on fire on top of the mother and then it just turns into her fucking skeleton just floating into the mattress like it's so fucking weird also like the horror of like John Saxon like trying to put him out him and the ex-wife or whatever out yeah then pulling it back and then they're just gone together it's crazy it's so nuts and then coincidentally John Saxon murdered by a skeleton in part three that's right

And she's like, okay, and like the bed just goes to normal. Like, it's this really cool, eerie, like, smoke effects, those go away. And she's like, yeah. Just give me a minute, dad. And he's like, okay, baby. I'd be like, you know what? I don't trust this room out of this entire house. We're going to a fucking Howard Johnson right now.

Absolutely. But now she'll give you. Yeah, like, I'm not going to give you a minute with the door closed here. So you know, honey, you're not going to cramp my style back at the apartment. You'll be going to a foster home for two years. yeah daddy needs his space kiddo i'm gonna ask my deputy if he can take you in i'll visit though not garcia dad you're not a werewolf hunter these are just a bunch of cheap light beer yeah silver bullets baby just to be clear the race car bed is mine not yours you're sleeping in the tub

But no, so yes, he closes the door And then Kruger comes back And she knows he's going to come back She's like, I know how to beat you now You're shit Kruger, you're nothing Oh yeah, oh yeah I take back every bit of energy I gave you Oh yeah, take it back

Step on my burning nuts Step on my energy Use your high heel shoes To step on my energy Yeah, energy Oh man And he's defeated I love the

You know He turns into this light It's very like Wow wow Wow wow wow Like the effect is so cool And she does say like You're nothing

Give me back My friends Give me back to my mother All this stuff Right Right right right You know So he's sort of defeated

And we just sort of like Smash cut to Nancy Walking outside You know It's a new day Mom's alive again It's sunny out You know

I mean the movie The movie ends so oddly Here It's great But it's just like you know Oh wow what's with all this fog and she's like oh yeah well the fog's gonna burn off hon i think it's it's gonna be a beautiful day outside you know what i think i'm off the hooch for good

see exactly this is me every morning of uh quarantine and then at by every night i'm back to that chuggin vacher gin in the hallway well it's crazy she has the line she says to nancy she goes uh they say you've bottomed out when you can't remember the night before and i was like i must have bottomed out at least 30 times in my life then. If that's what you tell it is the gold standard for bottoming out. I think we're all, as the kids would say, telling on ourselves here. There was a time

I was bottoming out weekly if that's true. Seriously. I think I fucking bottomed out last weekend. We've been bottoming out before you were born, gentle listener. That's true for some of you. I'm giving up the hooch, honey. It's nothing

but methamphetamines for me. From now on, I'm embracing life. I'm giving up the hooch, honey. I'm doing the podcast sober from now on. I found this new drug they invented. It's called crack. Boy, I don't know how, but they canceled podcast. Um, you know, so everybody, Glenn pulls up and his fucking sick ass red convertible and Rodentina are there, you know, like, it's kind of a hilarious, uh, Johnny Depp, like, trying to talk to his girlfriend's mom right here, because he's like, pulling up and she waves and he's like, yeah, can you believe this fog? Yeah, I'm talking to my girlfriend's

mother. That's all we got. If you were a man, I would, I would talk about a sports team, but all we got is the fog right now. Exactly right. How's the gin, miss M? So are we to believe that I guess she was eventually murdered by Krueger? Is that what the sending? Well, it's, it's so weird, right? Because then obviously they get in the car, the car turns into a Freddie Krueger car because the top goes up but it's got the Freddie Krueger colors on it or the Christmas colors depending on how you read this

and then the last shot is the mother getting pulled through the window the puppet of a mother getting pulled to the window big big puppet energy here absolutely and it's a fast pull of the fastness of that shot is what makes it really interesting it's just super weird and the movie's over and you really don't

know I mean like I was reading that today like apparently Cravid's original ending was a happy ending when she says, your shit, Kruger, blah, blah, give me everything back. He actually does, and it's all been a big nightmare kind of a thing, which I don't. Right. Which is this pervert ending, apparently, or was his preferred ending, at least at the time of the IMDB writing. But I like this better.

I like how sticky and bizarre it is. Well, because it also means, like, what you're looking at, just due to, like, the physics of the world that this movie is set up already. Like, you're still in somebody's nightmare. Exactly. it's surreal and it's dreamlike and it's bleak and scary it is an interesting end and it leaves the door open for sequels which they knew they were going to make i mean like for sure they they read this and they're like okay yeah this is us now right yeah exactly this is new line becomes the house that freddie built and i don't think craven gets money from this deal until like the third or fourth movie because he sold all the rights oh so he got money beforehand he got money beforehand to

make the movie but like for like three or four movies he didn't get any back end stuff right right so they so he like he created his iconic character they profited off of it for longer than they should have before he got any any second slice of that pie i think it was the new nightmare deal that where he actually got it back right that makes sense well he's had something to do with part three i think you wrote it or gave a consultant i think yeah so like some of that the the ice started to melt a little bit but you figured too because like new nightmares like what 94

and that's like they were kind of not I mean they were still like around and everything but that the fucking the real the second new line renaissance is of course LOTR and then they fucking squandered all of that late 90s is a bit of a dark zone for them yeah

exactly I mean so that's the movie fellas you know it was crazy rewatching this time around I have like this is a horror set that you can get on Blu-ray for dirt cheap like they just have all of the movies in like

it's a very thin Blu-ray case and then like all the nightmare movies are in it up till new nightmare. So I just have that and just going through it I mean like the disc looked awesome I was noticing a lot of shit you know like those hilarious fucking posters and tapestries this time around

but this is a movie I will just gladly return to. I know every beat of it, you know, I had it on VHS. This, the DVD box set of this was like the first like box set I ever purchased of

films in this way. It had the hilariously terrible like menu system in it where you had to like navigate through like a haunted house and shit. It fucking sucked. But they had so much extra feature stuff for the whole set. I remember it being cool.

so you know this was it's such a fun return to me parting shots Steve Sadek we'll start with you yeah I love this rewatch I also I bought a Bluroy for it look great it helps you kind of just get in the mood of watching this movie and it is a mood movie the music is great it's just so interesting visually you'll just like just and some of the stuff we didn't even get to because it is just such a visual movie like the fucking the weird stare goop bit is awesome

and it is all just sort of like it's dreamy but not like overly dream me, it's, it's incredibly scary and it holds up really well. I saw somebody, I think it was one of the top IMDB reviews like kind of a cheesy cool ladies, it's not cheesy at all, which is, I don't

know, I find this like incredibly like sober of a, of a cool horror movie and it I think the metaphor of the teens not trusting their parents and like kind of everybody has to pay for what their parents did kind of a thing kind of really resonant. Yep. Totally.

Chris Cab. Oh yeah, I love this movie. It's scrappy. Like it looks like the you can feel the cheapness of it. The work that went into it is very visible. And I love that about it. And it has ambition. Why I always have like a soft spot for the Elm Street series is because it is very inventive. The deaths are always inventive. And they get by the time you get to the remake, it's of course terrible. But for the first couple of movies, like they're at least thinking like, let's give them something to look at let's like really create something visually here in these death set pieces whereas i feel sometimes jason has not been so great about that there's a there's another thing that you just remind me of stuff that they the sequels wind up losing we didn't really talk about it here too much but like the religious imagery here the christian imagery in this movie uh you know craven was like a former like i think he was like a methodist uh preacher or something um so there's so much stuff of like both nancy and tina grasping at the crucifix you have the you know the lamb coming through in the one

nightmare which of course is also like lamb to slaughter but it's also you know you could also make arguments for lamb of god type stuff in there so i i love that that stuff is all strewn in here then that really just gets totally wiped out i think even in the next movie yeah i think so i cut you off that cap and you have something else it's it's good movie watch uh eric siska yeah i mean i was never a freddie guy growing up so this probably only my like fourth or fifth viewing of this original one and it gets better with every time and you know not to echo too much of what my my good colleagues here have said but the world building on such a cheap purse there is pretty admirable and wes craven this guy seemed like a visionary

to me and i say check it out it's great movie totally man uh well you know what gang that is going to do it for our year of 2020 programming. This is the last episode of 2020. Stay tuned. If you're listening to this on the day that it comes out, stay tuned for this Thursday. We will be releasing what will be the final piece of content of We Hate Movies this year. On our Patreon, we have the super long episode of The Nexus where we're covering the entirety of the J.J. Abrams 2009, Trek film. That's right. It's two

hours and 54 minutes I believe that episode. Yes, that'll be coming out for you right on New Year's Eve because you should be staying inside by the way and not going to any New Year's Eve part. Unless you're in the Calvin timeline of 2020. That's exactly right.

But, you know, be sure of course to check out the rest of the Patreon offerings from this We Love Movies month. You know, last week on Christmas Eve we put out the diehard commentary. That's out now. Tons of tons of stuff. Batman of the phantasm on the ad that was a lot of fun lord of the ring and three hour episode speaking of new line cinema that's right l o'tr fellowship uh came at the beginning of the month so all that and

more uh to check out of course on patreon.com slash we hate movies now we are heading into the new year which means january is coming up next it is the worst of 2020 and you know we can't do an episode on the coronavirus so we have to stick to movies so steve sadak what is up first on the docket when we return in the new year i will say that but i also just want to say thank you to uh you three gentlemen for sticking around this year has been dog shit and uh you're welcome being able to do this show is a lot it's a fun escape and we only do it because other people also listening are listening and allow us to do it so thanks to everyone absolutely now tell them what we're doing next uh we're doing hey everybody sorry to burst in on all the fun here but i've got a quick programming announcement you might

want to hear. Now way back when we recorded this episode in the middle of December, we had our schedule all set up. We knew what we were going to do. But not unlike when you're at the arcade playing Street Fighter 2 and about to beat Balrog and some asshole puts a quarter in the other slot and it says, here comes a new challenger. That was Wonder Woman 84 at the end of the year. Okay? It put a big fat quarter in our slot and we have to do it. We're doing an emergency episode next week on Wonder Woman 1984. We're really excited to do this for you guys, and we're so excited that we're not doing it alone. We're going to have to bring in our Wonder Woman expert Angelica Jade Bastien back to the show to talk about the movie with us. We're so excited to have her back.

She has strong feelings about this movie. We have strong feelings about this movie, and you're going to hear all of our strong opinions about Wonder Woman 1984 next week at the beginning of the worst of 2020 gang look forward to it right so next week we're doing Wonder Woman 1984 and if we ever get that vaccine we'll be doing a do lot

that's excellent my friend so we will cut it off right there hopefully in 2021 we can do a lot so until the new year I'm Andrew Jupin Steven Sadek Eric Siska. Chris Cabin.

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