We Hate Movies - S12 Ep569: Single White Female (with Jourdain Searles)

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

On this week's show, film critic and Bad Romance Podcast co-host, Jourdain Searles drops by to chat with the guys about the totally wild, ultra-horny thriller, Single White Female! How delightfully skeezy is Tobo in this movie? Did they mean to have Jennifer Jason Leigh enter the film like Nosferatu? And why didn't Bridget Fonda just get a dog? PLUS: Did Steven Weber sit in gum? Single White Female stars Bridget Fonda, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Steven Weber, Peter Friedman, Frances Bay, and the great Stephen Tobolowsky as Mitchell; directed by Barbet Schroeder. Catch WHM on tour this fall! New Chicago date added! WHM Merch Store Advertise on We Hate Movies via Gumball.fm   Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on the program, my goodness, Stephen Tobolowski has a fabulous death in this movie. It's single white female. I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen Sadek. Eric Siska. Chris Cabin. Jordan Searles. And we hate movies. Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in, as always. That's right. This one's a long time coming. It's single white female from 1992, directed by Barbay Schroeder, uh, director of a lot of things including Barfly

and soon to be episode at some point murdered by numbers and joining us on the program to talk through this legendary motion picture is film critic and co-host of the bad romance podcast, our old friend Jordane Searle's back on We Hate Movies. How you doing? So happy to

be back, especially for this film. So we'll start there. What is your personal history with this motion picture? So So I am a Jennifer Jason Lee obsessive, which is like a very... Understandable. So there was just like one like three-month period where I just sat and watched all of her movies.

Like it was a project. I actually did write something at the end to make it useful. But yeah, no, I just watched everything. And I was obsessed with this one just because of how good she is, but how weird the movie. yeah it's uh i mean steve you kind of hit the nail on the head last night when we were chatting about this like it's a lifetime movie but with like really good performances in it like with legitimate actors and whatnot and a great and you know real real directing and real cinematography and like all the things you don't see in with that movie real score real editing real actual

distribution you were like oh i'm a i'm a i'm a jennifer jasonly like in this movie like oh yeah i guess i'm more i'm like if we're casting ourselves i'm more of a graham I think. Just kind of hanging out upstairs with the cat, possibly. No. That's about right. I don't think that there is any parallel

to be in this movie. But yeah, no, but yeah, this is a movie we were, it's been on the docket for a really long time. We've always wanted to talk about it because it is that kind of bonkers 90s mid-tier movie that you don't see that much anymore. Do not make these movies anymore.

They just do not do it. No. And we always wanted to talk about it, right? Steve, because at our old apartment with you, me and Chris, right, our old place together where we were having quite a, that was quite a living situation. But was it ever. In this movie, there is, there's the photo of Stephen Weber on the refrigerator, him like hanging on a chain link fence. I don't know what we did. I guess we froze frame it and we printed it out. And that was on our refrigerator for the entire time we lived there. And I totally forgot about it until you texted about it. And then I saw him the film. Years. It was years because it was, I forget who was, we watched it together as maybe me, Chris and Jen or me Eric and Jen. End of a long night, we watched it.

And that, Stephen Weber, kind of just holding out of the chain leg fence is it. It's like a little kid kind of the way he's holding on to it. But it's sort of sexy because it's 90s Stephen Weber. And it just captured our imagination for years. didn't it? I mean, I remember watching it with you, Steve, because I was, I was, I was really peeved at the dog

throwing scene. Definitely. Like, I was like, oh, that's just a puppet. How does this lady up there know that that's a dead dog? If I was up there, I'd be like, what's that? That's, is that a garbage can? I don't know, man. I think it's clearly a fucking dead dog. You need to

get glasses. I don't know. No, I don't believe it. That's what happened to Eric Clapton, right? Like, He tossed his No, no, no, he's an asshole now, I can say. That's true. He's a huge asshole now. So he just threw his kid off of building and then was like,

the window, it's the fucking window. Again, the most accurate reporting I've ever heard from Maritzica. The tragic death of, I don't know, Sid Clapton or whatever his name was. Keep the Clapton out of a tiny child we're talking about here. Yeah, you know, I

regret it already. I regret it already. I wish Eric threw himself off instead. That's the barrier. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know,

it's been interesting watching this movie again because the first time I watched it. It was like, I think like 2017, well probably before that. It had been on cable a bunch of times, but the first time I watched it as an adult and like fully registered what was going on. It was like 2017. But between that time and now,

I've seen the It's Always Sunny episode, Mac and Dennis moved to the suburbs. Oh, yeah. That's. Which, when I got to the dog, I couldn't stop thinking about it. Absolutely. Is this question, is this movie an erotic thriller or just a thriller? Because we've got a lot of sexy stuff going on in quotation marks, but it's not, it's not like full.

Like, I think if the sex club scene was longer, it would be an erotic thriller. But like, because it's only 38 seconds and goes nowhere, it's not. It's a horny thriller, not an erotic or a horny thriller. Because there's no real, like, eroticism here. I mean, I guess, I don't know, the first, like, sex scene with Fonda and Weber is, like, maybe something. But, like, yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't qualify erotic thriller necessarily. Yeah, sex is not portrayed, like, in a good light in this film, I would say.

No, because, like, Bridget Fonda is kind of, you know, she has, like, this good girl air to her. and every single time the camera looks at her, it's just like, isn't this an angel? This beautiful red-headed angel. And the nudity is very disparate in that way. Like, Jennifer Jason Lee is naked, almost this entire movie. And then, like, only at the end

when Fonda's getting changed whilst, like, pretty much at gunpoint, you see sort of some nudity there. You're seeing butt. You see a lot of the eyes on. You see Fonda's butt when she's leaving her sex den to stop the divorced wife's message at the beginning thing. That's a fucking bold.

That's a barn burner of a move, lady. Wait, who? The ex-wife calling in the middle of the night? Oh, definitely, man. She's throwing fucking Molotov cocktails with that relationship. But at the same time, what is Stephen Weber doing? By the way, he does show ass and hang a little brain in this. Does he?

Definitely happening in this. Appreciate it. It's a blink and you miss it, but that's what the pause button was invented. But he went to, so he's dating Bridget Fonda, right? He goes to his ex-wife's and sleeps with her, comes, goes to Bridget Fonda's and then sleeps with her. Like, I feel like this guy's playing. He wanted to get the two for that day.

I mean, he's a piece of shit. That's not up for debate. Like, he's definitely a piece of, the way he deals with this whole thing, like, call back later. I'm sleeping now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know we were completely separated and everything. But yeah, and I fucked you.

So what? Shut up. Go away. You got to make a huge lie right here. Like, you got to say, like, he's got to pick up that phone immediately. Because Bridget Fonda's like, oh, it's your ex-wife and he's like, you know, tell her to call back. You pick up that phone immediately. You take as long as it takes in that conversation.

And then when you hang up the phone, you tell Bridget Fonda some lie like, oh, her dad died. Yes. And I got a fucking phone call about that. Bridget Fonda, your dad died. This is a conversation. This is a conversation that takes place in the bathroom, by the way, because you're like, oh, what? Let me just take it. What's going?

Can't call me. you know, that's the, that's absolutely. As opposed to like pawning it off on her. It's the early 90s. You definitely have a ton of portable phones in this movie. Like, sure. You can do it. You can take that phone into the bathroom, Stephen Weber. Absolutely.

It should say, if you're purchase alum, Stephen Wilson. Oh, wow. Oh, I did not know that. Do, I mean, maybe I was just too young to remember, but like, do answering machines just start fucking going off while you're not touching them? Oh, yeah.

And as loud as possibly. Yeah, that's a bad situation. You want that to just like not play out. You know what I mean? Like, and then check it later. But no, yeah. Yeah.

Kind of sounds like in that household, they were big into call screening. Because you cranked it all the way up so you could just hear, you know, wherever you were in the house or whatever. You know, if you were screening your calls, you want to make sure that volume is all the way up.

But yeah. Big mistake here on the question. When it records, you hear it. Yeah. It projects it. Yeah. No,

to do, point. That is weird to think about now. Like, any time you get a voicemail, like you're at a business meeting and it starts yelling at every, you know what I mean? Like, it's a bizarre concept now with hindsight. Well, also, like, they must have the first,

like the first year, the answering machine, like the first big answer machine that came out, they must have gotten just like tons of letters from guys like, you fucked up my affair. She found out immediately. And they're like, okay, maybe we make a silent option. Maybe we can just hear, maybe just

loads on the tape without hearing anything. Also, just like, that's just, she, the ex-wife, just like, maybe the bitch that I respect the most in this movie. Yes. She just, she just, like, blows up his spot in, like, such an intense way. Like, he's just like a fucking rapper or something. Why are you so, why are you so pressed about this man? Like, he's, like, he's handsome, but it's like, it's not that serious.

I don't know. They portray him as, like, the hottest piece of ass. on the upper west side. They really do. And he's like gonna, he's gonna like introduce her to this world of his and everything. Like,

oh, way do you meet this friend of mine and that friend of mine? And I'm like, how long has she been living in the city? Like, why is she just starting this now? Like, I don't. And it's also weird too, because in the same exact conversation,

they're also talking about like how they're going to get married. And I'm like, so what status is this relationship at? Like, how long have you been together where like she doesn't have any friends? in the city, but you're also about to get married? It's a great question. Engaged at first sight, baby.

Oh, shit. The new show from Bravo, engaged at first sight. I don't understand this at all. Lisa, the ex-wife. She just has sex, curses this guy out, and never is in this movie again. You're right, Jordan. She really wins. She's got it.

She won because she didn't have to be involved in any of this bullshit. And she's got a dog at home totally safe. Yes. Thank God. So, but Bridget, fondest character is, what's the deal? So she broke up with a business partner, I guess. And in the deal, she also got a rent controlled apartment. Ah, yeah.

I don't know if that's like. Some line that is a little vague about everything. Because it's a weird like, you know, Mark Zuckerberg v. the Winklevoss twins kind of situation. So maybe it was a thing where like that apartment they used as like the headquarters for the operation or something and like the business LLC was on the lease. but like also Bridgifonda's name was on the lease or something, I'm not entirely sure.

Maybe they don't care at the end of the day, but like it is a good explanation for how she has this insane apartment. It's no. She's a struggling startup person. This apartment is so beautiful that I just like, I almost started crying. Like, how dare you? Like, I'm in a rent control department right now,

but it's not like two bedrooms and fucking huge. Yes. Yeah, it's cavernous. This looks like a castle of some kind. It's pretty nuts. That's why Stephen Weber's trying to get back there. It's not, I mean, Bridget Fonda's gorgeous the same situation. But like, you're like, fuck that apartment though, man.

That was those windows, the wrought iron situation. It's a nice apartment. Did you see that kitchen? Oh, it's so beautiful. You think, so you think the ex-wife Lisa's living in some like railroad thing downtown is that the deal that's why he left yeah what are they doing with jennifer jason lee's unoccupied room in the beginning playing fucking full full touch football in there because you can it's enormous it's so big everything's so big but one thing that i really really want to address

early on is that like i just do not believe that this woman is a software developer at all it's not even because it's not even because she's hot it's just because like she just, it just seems like she works for a publishing company. And every single time I see her, I just think publishing. Like she works at Penguin Rantam House. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Because also like the lines they give her to talk about this thing.

The software is some sort of like thing catered to fashion designers where you can like see the clothes and it's also helping you with like accounting and stuff like that. I think that's what the Riddler uses in Batman Forever when he's designed as a constant. it's kind of the closest thing I could think of like computer program was it might be what Cher had in her closet and clueless

that's a similar type of thing going on there I totally forgot about that one you're right so maybe maybe after this movie she this character got a little successful

with this software thing but it's weird because all her lines are like okay because she's hired on by Tobo and this company that he runs to install the software and then train all of his employees

on how to use it. And all of her lines are like, and then you just hit enter, and then you just hit enter, and then you just hit enter, and there it is. There's the program. And there's nothing like, there's no specifics. She doesn't talk about it in any great detail. I feel

like if anything, they sort of like reverse engineered a reason for like Tobo to come to the apartment at the end of the movie. And it's like, well, what if it was some work related emergency? And then somehow that turned into like, what if software was going to self-destruct, which is pretty dumb.

It's just she's so fashionable. I just don't believe that she works with computers. I really don't. And she's almost never shown doing so. Yeah, you know what I mean? Or like really cramming on some code or whatever. You know what I mean? That never happens.

Steve Weber opens a door at one point to reveal a computer. I was like, oh, there it is. There's your fucking livelihood. It's in the corner. I love the scene in this movie where she's explaining to Jennifer Jason Lee that you can use computers to buy airline tickets. Yes. It's just such a quaint.

I understand the technology was only, you know, so far along. But it's just kind of funny watching that stuff now. And Jennifer Lachason Lee's got some line like, you can, you can buy things on the computer? Oh, my God. It reminds me of the Nets. Oh, yeah. Where she orders food from pizza. dot net.

And we all thought that was a big joke back then. We thought it was ha ha, little did we know, right? Seamless Grubhub, etc. That's right. And they all only sell pizza and only in Sandra Block's neighborhood. I do love the Stephen Toblaski intro scene, whether he takes him out to lunch. He's a fashion magnate of some kind.

And all this expo dump, info dump. Yes, that like, uh, because she, She's like, all right, this is the plan. This is what I'm going to charge you. And he takes it. Oh, no. I know that your partner screwed you over. And you have a rent control department now because of it.

I'm like, how is that public information? I don't know where he got this from. We were a long way from the Freedom of Information Act. Are they just mentioning it at cocktail parties or something? Oh, that could be. Yeah, listen, if you hire this woman for her computer program, she got this sweet apartment and some breakup with her, like, co-founder. Use that to exploit

her, definitely. Because he's like, oh, and that means your overhead is low. That apartment is huge. Tobo says he called the former partner, so maybe she dished. Oh, don't get all. Okay. So who knows that if Tobos just got that side of the story, who the fuck knows what the real situation is? You know, maybe

this other lady was just blowing smoke too. Tobo has got a great line here, though, because she goes, uh, she goes, okay, because he says like here's what you're going to do it for like amount of money wise and she's like all right well I think and she goes to like

do like another figure and he goes oh don't embarrass yourself this is my final offer I was like holy shit Tobo has cutthroat business man yikes if this was my boss man I would have such a hard time like I love Tobo but

just the sound of voice him being like oh don't embarrass yourself I like okay yeah yeah I won't embarrass myself It is, it is, it's a weird look for him. I mean, this whole movie is, uh, it's kind of jaw-dropping how gross he gets. This is like the biggest scumbag he's ever played, right?

For sure, right? This is snippy burning. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's been a while. Okay. Non-huge racist. Sure.

Sure. Sure. How about that? Yeah, he's the only person in this movie who's like constantly like, it's not even that it's erotic but he just like constantly like radiate sexual energy like he needs to fuck so badly it's that like coke sex kind of thing he's got going on i think i would have appreciated a quick scene of him doing a little fucking bugger sugar you know what i mean yeah was tobo himself uh it was this his sugar days i i know he had them from uh the tobolowski files

good yeah so i don't remember the single white female episode i don't know that he ever did one when I was listening, but as far as I recall, he, like, kicked the Coke well before this. Okay. It might be the single white female, but I'm playing on to do multiple white lines while I'm on the set. So her upstairs neighbor

played by Peter Friedman from Succession and what was that Hulu cult show that he was on? I'm glad you brought this up because I'm the only, I think you and are the only two people that watch the path. Yeah.

Jordane, did you watch The Path? Did you react to the path? No. Absolutely not. Wait, Steve, did you guys finish it, though? Because we gave up in that final season. I did too. But his character, Peter, what's the name?

Friedman. Peter Friedwin was my favorite character on the show. It was a, I'll take it. Here's the three second elevator pitch for him. It was a cult that it's all about being on a ladder. And like, if you're this rung, you have these responsibilities, et cetera, et cetera. But it was a cult that was really cool with smoking weed. And he was like in a cult.

60s and he was just like, I'm cool with where I'm at, man. And just like getting baked every episode. I'm like, this dude's got it wired. It was kind of great because that character, like, you totally knew he didn't believe any of the cult shit. But his whole, like, mentality

was like, well, if I can kind of just live in the cat skills and smoke dope every day, I don't know. Yeah, you can fucking put me on your ladder or whatever. I mean, Friedman really does know his shit too. Like, he's lucky to, like, he fucking, he he's on secession now like he's his shit's done he could fucking coast on that for the rest of his life

i assume uh really being like sixth build on a television on the biggest tv show i mean like it's pretty he's pretty big character you know what i think chris i think you got a great point here do not worry about peter free don't say that oh come on i'm not i'm not putting the evil on him you may if you feel like i will say graham uh peter freeman's graham character who we'll just call Graham from now on is like he must be have it up to here with this downstairs neighbor because she comes up after the you know after the first call like she's in tears and he's like oh you know you can come in and sleep on my couch and blah blah blah blah he was creepily listening he was that fucking ventilation system I'm just I don't understand why this grown

woman because like there are scenes where I'm just like this is a grown woman and then there where I'm just like, is she 17 years ago? What do you mean? What do you mean you can't sleep alone just because you found out this man is cheating? Girl, you have other things to do. This is fucking weird. Have a bubble bath or something. Why are you messing with this man in the middle of the night?

Exactly. Hey, oh, you can't sleep alone. How about two things? Booze and television. I'll talk to you tomorrow. We will get lunch tomorrow and we'll talk about it, but it's four o'clock in the morning. Absolutely. A blunt.

I keep my weed in a drawer right next to my bed because what is where you fucking sleep. It is incredible of him just like listening through the vents though, isn't it? Like what a dirty bastard. And it's one of those like, well, I just, I can't help it. So I guess I just have to sit here and listen to it. Really sick shit. I would 100% be doing this, by the way.

What, really? Your vent listener? if I can hear it from the thing what am I going to be like the crazy person who puts the fucking scotch tape on it like she does no turn some music on or something I don't know open a window

I mean it's constant if it's fucking down there if it's the fuck sessions that have been going on downstairs you're doing it all the time that is the funniest part of this movie where like they're talking about all this crazy shit

that is happening to Bridget Fonda over the past few weeks or whatever and then he's like oh by the way I know this isn't a great time to tell you But I could totally hear it every time you have sex. Just for FYI. Have a good night. I can and I do.

I also love how clumsily they reveal that he's gay. They do it like three times in a row. Like they're in the laundry room and they're folding laundry and she's trying to get over. And he's like, you know, whatever her name is, Alie. He's like, Ali, I won't let a guy get the way of my dreams or whatever. And then later on Bridget Fonda has to be like, oh, Graham, Graham is gay. Like she looks at the camera. But, like, you know what I mean?

We do a track helicopter shot where he is gay. Like, I got it. When he raises his voice and she's like a surprise and taken it back, he's like, what, I can be butch sometimes. Exactly. But he's also coded gay from his apartment because it's less like, well, he's got books and art, right? That's what it is.

Right? And a cat. A cat named Carmen. He's a man who lives alone. He's got a cat with an impeccably decorated, nice-ass apartment. Yeah. That's what we're saying. saying here. I mean, as you know, straight men, it's just a bed in there.

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Absolutely. And he's not aggressively hitting on Bridget Fonda, which tells you, okay. Yeah. All right. The apartment for a straight man is just a bed, some beers, and a photo of Stephen Weber on the beach, which is what we do. Actually, Bridget Fonda's bedroom in this movie is way closer to like a straight loner dude's apartment. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, than anything. because she's got like a bed that I'm pretty sure is just on some cinder blocks on the floor. There's not much of a frame to speak of.

But also there's no like posters from Caltech or whatever the fuck she went to school or something. There is nothing in the entire apartment. It looks like she's doing this thing. Like I have to sleep in this haunted apartment for a night to get the inheritance. Yeah, did the partner take all the furniture, I guess? Oh, that could be.

That must be the only thing. The mattress was. everything else she walked out with. I just want to know who she talks to about nerd shit. There's got to be somebody. They were just like, oh, that's not sexy. Let's just take that out of the movie. I want the deleted scenes of her just like talking about building her own computer.

Yeah. Well, because that's why it's horny is because all they could talk about is fucking. Like, you would think you would make Graham that character who can talk a little shop with her a little bit. But all he is is like, you fuck, boy, howdy. You do fuck, honey. I'd love to talk about your operating system, but I'm far too horny to discuss anything that's not related to sex.

So she decides because, and I mean, again, like, it's rent control. She can make the rent. And she's like, you know what I would love in here? A total fucking stranger. And it's like, why? Doesn't Peter Friedman put the idea in her head, though? Doesn't he?

Because she can't be alone for some reason. It's just like, let's bring in, like, the burden of a stranger instead of just like, getting a fucking hobby, maybe playing some video games. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Totally. It's 1992. The Super Nintendo is right there. Yeah. It's right there.

You could always fall back on some duck hunt. Some classic NES. Look at your fucking apartment. Start a daycare and half a big. You still have the biggest apartment in New York. I mean, again, like, or find a bar, become a regular, make some friends with a capital F. Like, that's a good idea, right? know what I mean? Like, we get this

montage of bad roommates. The first one is the most problematic. And so much so this woman is credited, ladies and gentlemen. The actress is Tara Karzian as mannish applicant, ladies and gentlemen. Very nice. Because she is, oh yeah, Jordan

just took a deep breath. Because it's a tough scene. Isn't it tough? This is the character that walks in and she's like, oh, there's so much construction projects I could do in here. Is that that one? Yeah, she's wearing a leather jacket. Are you good with tools?

Yeah. Knocked down this wall here. Like, yeah, she's, of course, the most annoying of the fucking people to come in. Other than the one that's talking about incest memories or something? Dude, and you know what that is, though? That's an early 90s. We're making psychiatrist jokes. because she's like, oh, yeah, yada, yada, this room looks really great.

I'm an incest survivor, by the way, something, something. I guess I should be telling my therapist about that. Well, I don't really remember what it was, but I survived something. Dude, it's just, it's fucking abysmal. Like, get that out of here. It's not funny. I noticed this in a lot of movies. I mean, it mostly pops up in like rom-coms where it's just like,

here's a montage of a bunch of different people. and all of the weird types. It's like, oh, no, they go to a therapist. Oh, no, this person is trans. Oh, no. Like, it's like, I just don't, I don't know. I feel like if these things were more honest, it would just be like somebody,

you see somebody pick up a glass of lemonade in the apartment and then put it down on the table without a coaster. And it's like, okay, we're cutting to the next one. Yep. Yeah, and it just cuts to Bridget Fonda like, hmm. Or just grimacing at the non-use of a coaster, definitely. It's early 90s.

It's just like, oh, I hope you love improv because my improv friends are here all the time. It's like, all right, you're out. You know what I mean? Like, these are things that you don't want to see in an applicant. It's not even like punchlines each time. There's just that one woman who just like

walks around behind her. Yes, I don't get that. It's just like looking at things. I'm like, well, what's her problem? I think she's too hot, possibly in quotation marks. Yeah, the way that she's framed is like, she's so hot. That's weird.

I didn't understand that one, so that's funny. I also love that she's taking Polaroid pictures of every single one of these people, which is pretty weird. I would walk the, like, if she's like, oh, by the way, I want to think of your photo while you're applying for this apartment. Like, no, you're not. You're not going to do that. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like, so you can remember who was who when you were having this cavalcade of applicants come through maybe? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's

to double check that they're all white. Just to make sure. Well, it's interesting because like the short story that this is based on is called like single white female Sikh same or the novel. And it's like, I love that they don't like necessarily say it

in this, but like it's very obvious that she would not live with the person who is not white because she seems to be like afraid of everyone. you're totally right and the and the screenplay here uh changes that a little bit because i think when you see her sort of like start typing out what the thing is and she just writes single white female i i don't recall if looking for same is in there no i think it says seeks female roommate west 70s yeah non-smoker professional or preferred or something like that yeah so they

but you're totally right you get that vibe from that lady that's like she's putting letters on applications for fucking short, dude, don't worry about it. Like, this is not a good person. She's doing the Fred Trump model. That's what you're saying? You know what? Take one of the smokers and just say they have to be outside. That'll give you

plenty of time and you might get somebody who keeps to themselves maybe. Wouldn't that be nice? It's tough. And then there's the perfect one, the one that she almost goes for. And then I think does Stephen Weber call and

then she has a kind of a breakdown. Is that what happens? Or she just like, she just starts getting sad about the whole situation. She called. Oh, you know what it is? You know what it is? You know what it is? Here's what it is exactly, dude. She gets the, the, the fine, like, fucking totally snow white looking lady. And she seems to be like, you know, problem free or so, uh, uh, Fonda sort of, you know, susses out here. So she's like, all right, I'm going to do it. I'm going to call this woman or whatever. She sees. the photograph of Peter Weber

on the fucking fridge. That's what it is. And she's like, and she like falls to the floor. And then yes, this is where Jennifer Jason Lee walks in like no's ferratu. She really does.

She just appears out of the mist. And it's just like... And I don't get what's going on there. Also, she's dressed kind of like blossom, by the way, which is unsettling. But like, what are we doing here? Like, this is a nice ass building. What is the doorman situation?

How are you just getting in? Well, it's an older building, and I guess this is like, it's all decaying or something. Like, once we finally get that movement down by the incinerator, it's like, I want to know the whole history of this building because it seems pretty interesting. Yeah, I'm not sure if this one has a doorman. I don't think this one has a doorman. Yeah, I guess it's not, you're right, because she's talking about like, oh, there's like the shitty elevator or whatever. It reminded me of that new, the new Hulu show, only murders in the building with Steve Martin and Martin Short. that's another weird shit

happening in an Upper West Side apartment building. Is that worth a damn? I think so. Yeah, we watch like the first three episodes. It's a lot weirder and more crass than I expected it to be. So that's kind of something.

Yeah, and Selena Gomez is good in it too. So I don't know. I would recommend it. Yeah. So then like, so Jennifer Jason Lee comes in. This is her big moment. She walks in like Count Orlock and, you know, they start talking for a second.

And then like we have this. instant like pseudo wet t-shirt contest where we're trying to fix the sink and everybody's just getting wet and it's fucking hilarious. But Jennifer Jason Lee demonstrates her value by being able to fix the faucet without

being a mannish about it. Bigger quotes. Totally. Yeah. But it's just funny because like they get absolutely soaked by this fucking sink and they're just like laughing about it. Like I wouldn't be laughing. I'd be pissed off. I'd be upset that this apartment looks so nice

but I guess the amenities are pretty shitty I don't know not something to laugh about with New York City real estate well that's how you could tell she's desperate it's like she won't stop laughing at it when it's happening like she's like Jennifer Jason Lee is way too happy to being

sprayed in the face in this moment she just walks in like she owns the place like she puts like a pot of tea on and like all of this shit and it's like I I just don't understand it because you don't want the Butch lady But I don't know

It's pretty bitched right here She's basically It was very like lesbian moving in with each other Like very quickly Energy for me They just didn't want the leather jacket They thought that was too much But you're totally right though Jordan

Because it's like Butch lady Ultra hot lady Weird psychiatrist lady And even perfect princess lady None of them barged in And we're like you know what I'm going to start making tea

I'm going to start rooting through your cabinets to find the kettle, the tea bags, the teacups, like, what are you doing? That's the sign of this is going to be a problem right away. You're not even moved in and you're rooting around through the cabinetry. And she's like trying to take care of her. It's very emotional

immediately. Yes, very much like we're moving in too soon with each other. But again, I just want a roommate. I want someone to help me with rent and like maybe occasionally we can like get stoned and watch a movie. But other than that, we're like, strange would be fantastic.

Ideal relationship right there, I would say. That sounds warm. But no, they're like, they are acting like a couple. Like, they're hanging out in bed, like, just like holding each other, watching old movies. Well, that's what girls do. Oh, okay. We just, we just show up and we immediately start taking off our clothes. Sure.

And get into bed with each other. Underwood. And the pillow fights. Oh, yes, of course. Always the pillow fights. But, like, really, like, I don't know why this, I don't know. I wouldn't want this bitch in my bed. I don't understand.

Like, I don't know when she's been. Yeah. Yeah, no application. You don't know if she has a job. Did she even check her references? No, nothing. Absolutely nothing. There's a weird part where she can't be on the lease or else they lose the red control status or something.

Yes, that's right. Which is fine, but still like, okay, so, like, could you give me the name of, you know, anyone else that knows you, you total stranger, you know, like and Jennifer Jason Lee is Hedy by the way. Yes. Yes. As in Hedy Lamar. That's right. Well, also,

big bad move here on Bridget Fonda's part because Ali's like, oh, hey, Hedy, you know what'd be cool? You kind of dress like shit, I see. So we're going to go to a store and I'm going to like show you how to buy clothes so you look a little more New York City. Because you know what?

You really, I know I just said it, but Hedy, you look like shit. You kind of look like Count Orlock. Did you ever see that movie? You look like fucking Nosferatu. King of the Dead. Did anybody have the idea to put I'm too sexy in this? Yes. And anybody on set just like just for a joke just to get strode really pissed off even. Just be like, hey, you know it would be good here. Right said Fred. How do you just meet a person and you're just like, you know, we should just change your entire wardrobe right now. In a way she's, well, you know, she kind of instigates this herself a little because it's like, yeah, you can dress just like me.

Let's go shopping. This is what I buy. And then there's a part where it's like, she was going to get these shoes. And then, oh, no, Allie, you can get them. I'll just borrow them whenever. I'll just borrow them for murder. I swear, only for murder. I'll borrow them.

I swear to God. They do set up everything in this movie, especially the murder shoes because you see these things. And it's like, they are, you're walking on literal daggers, by the way. Hey, sold another pair of those knife shoes. They're selling like hotcakes. It's New York City in 1992. Sent five pairs to, what is this? Michael Myers.

He's overknives, folks, I guess. When Hedra shows up with that dog, it was just, wow. Like, this is, this is kicking this bitch out of the house. There are so many times I'm just like, just kick her out. What the, who is this animal here? Do we even know, like, on the lease, if you can have dogs?

Was there any conversation? No, it's just like, here's a dog. It's almost just like she was trying to be like, here's a way where we have to continue to be in contact and talk to each other. Absolutely. And I mean, and it's totally engineered because she has some sob story about like,

oh, they were giving out a litter of puppies at the supermarket or something. some shit. Meanwhile, you see right as this scene starts, she's got a receipt from like a pet store or something that's like $350 for dog. So like right on the receipt, it says it. Yeah. And by the, you know, Ellie ends up enjoying the dog's company after a while. And that was the solution all along. No roommate. Just get a dog. Just a dog. Get a dog. Get a cat. Now you're not coming home to nothing. You know what I mean? You have a little bit of room. And now you have this other person staring at you while you're sleeping. You know what I mean? You really?

Do you really want to break out? Get a parrot. You know, that's fun. Some people like that stuff. The thing with this, though, Jennifer Jason Lee, she can't be paying, like, market.

She works for, like, Rosoli's books, which is who knows where. She cannot do market rate for this fucking gigantic apartment. What is she actually asking for, I wonder? Well, the question,

though, what we find out later in the movie is her parents who are desperately trying to get her back in a capital A asylum are still sending, her checks every month? Like, no, no, no.

Like, if you know where this woman is, and you think she might be dangerous to herself or others, then you have to be the parents and swoop it and take her somewhere. Yeah, or at least send... Here's two grand, enjoy it. You know what I mean? Send Dr. Loomis after her, for sure. Look, honey, honey, we want

you to quit cocaine. Here's some cocaine. Bridget Fonda, there is pure evil living in your apartment, and her name is headed. Mayor Giuliani, there is an evil coming to your town. I know, it's me.

Jennifer Jason Lee's performance as Heddy is honestly one of my favorite performances from her. Because it's just like such a weird character and she makes it seem like an actual person. Like every, like I feel like I know her better than I know Bridget Fonda a lot of the time. Do a degree for sure. Yeah, definitely. I mean, even though it's like her like fake story, she's definitely giving more backstory than we get for Allie. Like that you don't really know, you know she at one point was maybe just about to marry Stephen Weber. She has zero friends in New York City and has this vague computer program related to fashion.

Yeah, but you know Jennifer Jason Lee's parents, her sibling issue and everything else. it's bizarre that the protagonist is nothing because I guess like a lifetime movie we're just supposed to see ourselves through Bridget Fonda like imagine if I had a roommate I don't even know why they open with the little scene with the two twins

like is there any mystery as to who that is like no it's not but it's so I mean I guess also it doesn't make it doesn't matter but I think it's just because you know immediately from the jump that she's full of shit because she's got some story about like oh I was a

twin, but the twin was, she says, I was supposed to be a twin, but the other kid was still born. Yes. And so that's like, all right, she's instantly lying. She's just sitting up. Technically, she didn't lie because the other kid was still born. Still got born, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You're right. She technically wasn't lying. Did you hear that, Paul? Did you hear that? Could I get a little stillborn music. Yeah, she was Delvorn. Boom, boom, bomb, boom, bon, the greatest band

in late night, dude. I do think, yeah, I mean, I do think that Jennifer Jason Lee does well when she plays, like, darker characters, for sure. She's got that kind of, she's great and possessor, too. Annihilation, baby. Oh, she just has, like, one of those voices.

Like, I love her voice. And the way that it, like, portrays, like, sarcasm, like, cruelty, like emotion, like, she just constantly seems like there's so much conflict in everything that she says. Because she does that thing where it's like she can be soft spoken

but not mush mouth which is kind of difficult to do as an actress like she really projects like you know you know exactly all the syntax of what she's saying but it's not it's not so big or broad you know a polished it's not even that

like I but it's so funny that she started at fast in fast times at Ridgemont High where she's like this total innocent and like that's her whole thing and that's what she's acting up and then she almost immediately moved over to this like not long after that is buried alive Oh, previous episode, yeah.

Yeah, she at close range which is a super dark movie. Which one is that? Is Tommy Lee Jones in that movie? No, it's Christopher Walken and Sean Penn. Yeah. And she's the girlfriend, I think. Okay. She's Sean Penn's girlfriend, I think. It's very good if you get a chance.

We just watched Fast Times recently because I have the criterion. And she is totally great in that movie. She is, yeah. One of the best performances in the film overall. Yeah, she's just such an incredible performer, especially, like, if you think about annihilation and the fact that, like, she doesn't really,

like, get a lot of scenes, but the scenes that she does get is amazing. And, like, every single, I can't even hear the word annihilation anymore without it being in her voice. Oh, wow. I'm due for rewatch on that, yeah. She sets the tone of the movie so perfect.

you know what I mean she doesn't go in the bubble if I'm not mistaken right she's outside the bubble she's like you guys have fun in there kind of a thing but it is kind of a very like she does set the whole yeah it's it's perfect exposition so uh alley agrees to cat sit for uh graham one one evening and this was honestly some of the biggest anxiety I had watching this movie was watching her carry this big bag from zabars especially because just on Sunday or was it no Monday I was at Zaybars because I went to go see Shang Shi up

at 84th Street and I was like, oh, I'll pop into Zaybars and see about getting like a drink to sneak in or something. It was so crowded and just like the anxiety of people like running around a tiny grocery store like that, I was like, no, no, no thank you.

For folks listening outside of the Five Burrows, it's a very famous New York City grocery store. Zabars, went in town, visit Zabars. Well, Graham says something that I found very interesting because he's like, Allie, could you watch the cat this week? Oh, of course. I love watching

Carmen or whatever the cat's name is. He's great. And this time, don't bother with the litter box. I don't. And it's like, oh my God, his house smells like shit. Yep. Well, although it's so big, maybe the cat has its own giant room. Oh, the cat just has a bedroom and it's filled with kitty litter, you think?

He's also got another great line that was like he was about how like I guess the roommates working for her he says, I was worried about you, you were so down, you looked like a Kennedy wife. Yeah, dude. Nice little sing to the Kennedy family.

Slam those people. Give her a break. Her husband was killed. And but so like, and there's also a line in that scene where he's like, oh, you know, it's weird. I saw your roommate. I never met her formally. But he's like, I thought it was you.

and I was running after her in the street. And then I realized it wasn't. And I felt embarrassing. Why are you chasing me in the street, dude? Back the fuck off. Seriously. I mean, I guess that's what you did before texting.

If you didn't know, like, when it was you were going to come in contact with someone again. So I better catch her now. I don't know what I'm going to see her again. If she's going to come over at 4 a.m. again to play cuddles. You never know. You might need to,

if I could say, no, I'm going to see my boyfriend tonight. God damn it. it is sounding though like when he tells her this funny story it sounds like he was kind of getting aggressive

too like because he says something about like and by the time I you know put my hand on her shoulder and whipped her around and I was like the fuck did you do to this woman just accosting her on the street like that tackling people my lord yeah

take the L we didn't miss we didn't meet each other in the street it's fine man I'll catch you on Catch you on the way back. But it establishes the creepy nature. There might be one half of a twin in your building. There is one half of a twin living in your apartment building. I guess is that because it's also kind of a trope, right,

that twins are creepy and weird. And now because she lost the other one, she's trying to turn into her twin. Yeah. I mean, we find out later that that's a lot. And it's kind of this weird. It's in the epilogues. you never and actually I'm fine with it

like that you don't get the whole story but like the the other twin daughter died and the and Hedy blamed herself for it's like when they were younger right at some point for some other reason and you I thought you killed her or something well they say there's like a newspaper

clipping or some shit that says like nine year old whatever girl drown in a lake or something but when I saw that I thought of Steve's scenario where I was like oh she drowned her sister. Oh, that could have been. I mean, like, if this movie were made today, you would get that flashback, right, of that

happening. This tiny nine-year-old holding down another nine-year-old. Absolutely. It happens every, Chris. You have to go now. It happens every day, Chris. Like that movie, what was that fucking, what was that fucking Austrian flick? Was it just called Mommy?

Good night, mommy. Yeah. Those are some creepy-ass kids trying to kill. Twins, too, yeah. Did not catch it. oh it's totally worth it pretty rough stuff iMO um so this is sort of like the big the next big point of the film is she walks into the apartment after agreeing to cats it walk into our own apartment and jennifer jason lees trying to like oh you know what maybe we should just maybe no maybe we should

go away right now like kind of being weird and then who fucking saunters around that corner but steamy stephen weber and she's like he pushed his way in here i tried to stop him sort of situation. And Weber knows what he's doing, man. He's got the dog already in his arms. He's like cuddling it a little bit. Like, look what you could come home to. I look like a husband catalog, don't I

honey? Look at this. You're totally right. Here we go. You're totally right. I'm husband material. See, I'm not a total fucking scumbag. And she forgives him so easily. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Definitely. I mean, the movie knows she's a doormat, but it's kind of hard

to root for this big of a dormant because she's just like even Hetty when they're arranging stuff like you're not going to like dump me once this dude comes back immediately are you and she's like no I won't

and that's why like you know Hetty's murderous rage is kind of justified because she's like dude I fucking asked you I asked you on day one this guy's not going to come looking you know crawling back and you're going to take him and then I'm going to be out of my ass right

and you promised me that that wasn't the case and now look what's going on. So the murder is justified, you're saying? The murder is justified. I, like, you're really putting this woman in a bind, though, because it's like, it's like she just moved in with you. Where is she supposed to go? She doesn't have any friends.

You don't have any friends. Nobody, that was the other thing. Like, later on in the movie, when Hetty really starts to get even weirder, she says, well, I think that I'm her only friend. It's just like, you don't have any friends either. Very pointedly, all you have, have is an ex-boyfriend. Well, you got Graham. You know, good old Graham, but that's about it, dude.

Yeah. I mean, the movie's right. Like, tell her, like, you got till the end of the month or whatever, and then just go live in the hotel with your boyfriend. Exactly. Um, but she, he takes, we find out some weird stuff that like, maybe he's like, oh, you didn't get my letter. I said you a letter with the keys as well, blah, blah, blah. And that's right. Oh, we're also, we do, good, good moment here to point out, Steve, that also there is a moment a little while back in the movie where we see her erasing a Stephen Weber answering machine message. Yes. But it's amazing

to Jordan's point, like, they fuck that afternoon. She's wearing that engagement rig that evening and it's like, lady, are you nuts? Dude. Is it like, I need to know, like, is the dick really that great? Must be. I can't, I can't conceive of it

being anything else. It was like, okay. Like, and later on, where like, spoiler alert, Hetty, I don't even know if I should do that spoiler alert but like later on when you do see

you don't see his dick but you see someone interact with his dick he comes so quickly that I was just like this dude is really not working with that yeah

that's like a 70 second blow job you know that was that was so quick like I just can't and it's not like she was doing anything special there like she wasn't like using like a special technique it should have taken at least a little bit longer you could do like a cut i don't know throw a cut in there you don't know where the other hand

is going though jordane possibly that's that's where it happened and that that's you know she had she hit the she had the game genie code and then oh that could be you know what though i think it's a blessing in disguise either either way because there's only so much i can handle of stephen Weber uncomfortable getting a blow job. Yeah. It's really tough to look at and let's just let's move on with the scene, Barbay. Let's get on with it. He just wakes up in the middle, like 4 a.m. in the morning, I would stop. Even my fiance, be like, stop, stop, stop. Stop. What the hell is going on? What is going on here? When he gets up, though, you see, you do see his ass and you see his jangly balls from behind. Yep. And I took a screenshot of it and I put it on

Twitter and I said one perfect shot and people were warning me that I was going to get taken, I was going to put be like suspended softly again or something. So I deleted it because I was afraid of the ref the ref. I don't know, dude. I think it would have been fine. Oh yeah. So I should repost it yourself?

Yeah, just be like, look, I was, look, I was rewatching a single white female the other night and I noticed in this one scene, Stephen Weber sat in gum. It is quite something. something. They fuck immediate. I don't even know. He's just like,

I missed you, babe. And she's like, yeah, you hurt me really bad. When you fucked your ex-wife in front of me practically. Yeah. I just don't get it. It's just like, he's just, whenever he goes to see her, I'm just going to think that he's fucking her. Like, this is weird.

Or he goes anywhere and this guy's going on business trips. Lord knows what he's getting up to. That's true. Yeah. Isn't this what leads into heady masturbating. Yes. Yes. Oh, right.

Here's a question. When, and, you know, Chris and Eric and I lived together. That door was closed when it was, when, you know, I was masturbating. That was my rule. That's a, we didn't talk about it. Oh, wow. What an original rule.

Close the door when you jerk off. Exactly. We decided to put down some rules just to make things work. Don't If you're like She's not even masturbating on it She's making love to herself

She's rolling around It looked like she was fucking that pillow dude Did you see that? But that's the thing It's like she wants her to see You know I guess that's what Or Stephen Weber

I guess she's trying to angle The threesome Like I don't know I'm here You guys are here What's gonna happen? I don't think it's a threesome angle dude I think it's specifically trying to angle Weber to just destroy

oh, I see, that relationship again. Well, no, because Weber and her have gone to his place to fuck. They're fucking at his place while she's masturbating at home. No, no, no, no. No, no. Yeah, this scene is... Doesn't she go past the fucking doorman

and say hi, and they set up the doorman thing? They do set it up earlier, yes. That's during the... The doorman is featured earlier in the film and then with the blowjob scene. He's the hotel clerk, right? Yeah, yeah. The doorman. Because he's still living.

I guess he's separated from his wife and he lives in a hotel seems no rush to get out of there which is also something but with the masturbation scene though because remember Cabin Bridget Fonda walks out because she's like say

sounds like someone's pleasuring themselves and she walks out like into the huge hallway that looks like an actual building hallway and not like a hallway in a regular size apartment because his apartment is massive and she spies on her

Remember? Because then the dog starts whining. Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, the dog. And she, like, throws the dog on the floor and, like, scurries back into her bedroom and closes the door. The rule for roommates is genitals out, doors closed. No matter what's going on, if you're getting changed, if you have a partner in there, you've got a whole orgy, just by yourself. Genitals out, door is closed. I also just can't imagine making as much noise as she was making when you have her own. yeah that's just rude it's just plain rude

I do love also like because she sees yeah she sees Stephen Weber making out with Bridget Fonda like through a different hallway window and she gets caught by Mrs. Chote from Seinfeld dressed up dressed up in some serious ass Rosemary's baby cosplay like it's the only moment

that this woman is in the movie at all and she's just like excuse me do you live here? This might be the same apartment building as Rosemary's baby. It could be, yeah, the Dakota. Oh, well, it's probably not, but it's another one of those massive cavernous

Upper West Side. It's a huge building. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I see Grandma Gilmore in a movie, I better see more than like two seconds of her, which is all I get of her. That's insane to me. It's like everybody knows her.

It's her. Did we know her in 1992 as well, though? That's the question. She was doing well. I mean, she's been around for forever. Wait, wait, wait. Are you talking about town bishop? Francis Bay.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Francis Bay, so I'm thinking of, yes, yeah. Okay, yeah. I was a little high watching this and is that. I was fine. Me too. That's the we hate movies way.

Guaranteed. But it's like one of these tension scenes. So she sees her masturbating. She runs back. And like then Jennifer Jason Lee like kind of looks back like, was someone watching me masturbation? bait like yeah everyone was i don't know man fucking close a fucking door is what i would say i would close it myself i'm like do you mind and slam the door and be like it would be funny if she just

kept on yelling up is this helping at all is this helping you at all i feel like later on when we get to that like sex club that um that bridget finna goes into which like love the grigorian chant like that was at the point where i was sitting i was watching it like with a date and we and he was just like wait what year was this made he's younger than me and i was just like it's a Gregorian chant you don't fucking remember this shit it was in everything it had to be in every 90s movie i'm pretty sure it's in the mask there was uh there was that there was that album that came out sometime it was huge around this movie right that album yeah you know i talk about it eric right yeah woodstock new york it was the best

seller for sure. Oh, no, yeah, my fucking hippie uncle had a copy of it on CD and he would just play it and it was like, all right. I guess this is what's in vogue right now. You know, it's going to wait this out. After you're tired of Enya, you need to put something else on that's right there. It's a little harder than Enya. It's like when you're moving past Ania and you're tired like, no, I want the real stuff. The whole thing. I wish we spent more time in the sex club though. It seemed like everybody was having a good time. It's a very, I mean, like, I've never been to a sex club full of disclosure.

Does everyone touch your face when you walk in? No. Because that's what happens in this one. Everyone is very handsy. Yeah. I feel like in sex clubs, it's much more like, you know, you're asking permission for a lot of things. You're sitting boundaries.

You're not like grabbing people's faces like, well, you would be fun. It's the early 90s, dude. So I guess it's just like fresh meat. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's because the lady's just like you want to play. Oh, this lady that looks like fucking Judge Janine. Crazy ass judge Janine Piro.

Yeah, she kind of does. This is the point where she's now completely dressing like her roommate Allie, Bridget Fonda, including with the haircut. Yeah, that's a little later in the movie. The sex club, I thought the sex club was that. Yeah. The sex club is the sex club is late. later. Yeah, because

yeah, because she mentioned something about, like, her sister in the sex club. Richard Fonda's only there long enough to hear Jennifer Jason Lee call her her sister and then she just like runs out. Because the club in blade, she thinks she's going to get like fucking

vampires are going to get her. She has to run away immediately. This club, I mean, that could easily turn to vampires. There's a guy literally in a cage. Oh, sure. Did everybody catch the guy just like hunched down on his knee stroking Jennifer Jason Lee's foot. Yeah, dude.

That was, I was like, you're either into this or you're not, like, that's the rules, I guess, when you walk into this place. Well, she's a regular, I feel, this establishment. I mean, like, and it makes you wonder, like, has she rehearsed, like, masturbating loudly in front of other people? Does she do that at the club?

That's a good question. Oh, sorry, I was, I was masturbating using my club voice. There's a learning annex at the sex club. Yeah. I thought there was a lot of loud music like usually when I masturbate. The next kind of big thing

is the dog which poor buddy because you know Jennifer Jason Lee I think even like Ali intimates like you know you might have to we're back together but you know right not right away but we'll probably just want to move back in

so she sees the writing on the wall and Stephen Weber is fixing like some sort of this old style ghost busters looking stone grate that separates the wall like it's not even it's a raw iron it's a raw iron thing that they have out that so you could put like a planter out the window or something like that and he's like seen earlier in the film like shittily fixing it yeah and then gets interrupted by jennifer jason lee saying like breakfast is served or something so like this is what she uses to like fake that the dog threw itself out the window yeah is a Oh, the little iron grating broke off and the dog got loose and fell to its death. And nobody like, I don't know, like, you know, obviously Bridget Fonda's devastated. I mean, there's a crowd of people around this dog.

Obviously, a dog fell from a fucking apartment building. Like, no one, the super isn't getting involved. Like, what is going on up there? You're chucking dog. Here's the thing, dude. It doesn't even look from the way the rest of the scene plays out that, like, Bridget Fonda or Stephen Weber, anybody like goes down to get it. Yes, exactly. Not at all, dude. They're waiting for the fucking garbage

guys to come. It's 70 second street's problem now. It's so fucked up. Oh, Stephen Weber, we have to wait for the dog ambulance. Yeah, you mean the garbage truck. We'll wait for the garbage truck. They put it on the curb. If someone wants it, they can take it. I mean, there's just no way that the

landlord even knew about that dog. Like, I feel like it'd be a whole situation where, okay, there's a dog that's dead. How the fuck did it get Yeah. Yeah. I better hope... Whose dog is this? I'm hoping this dog fell from the roof and not inside this apartment building. Oh, sorry, Bridget Fonda. You didn't read your lease. Once it starts raining golden retrievers, your rent control status is fully revoked. Okay, how about that?

And so, like, Jennifer Jason Lee's whole thing here is trying to like make Bridget Fonda mad and Stephen Weber, blame him for the death, and break up the relationship. It doesn't really work that way. Yeah, there's a great moment when, like, in the breakfast, like, oh, since you trusted me with eggs, like, maybe I'll make you guys dinner tonight. It's like, well, it's our anniversary dinner, so we're going out, which is sort of what spirals her to the point of murdering the dog. Right.

Yeah, I don't want, I don't want scrambled eggs and toasts for my, for my anniversary meal. Sorry, I apologize. I would be, if you're trying to bring this couple of. I'd be like, oh, are you still celebrating the anniversary? Is it the anniversary after you find out about the cheating or does it reset itself? How does that work? So, yeah, do you have two days now or what? How is Lisa doing?

How is she then? And she knowing everything about this? I can't wait to meet her. So is it in anticipation of this dinner date or is it the Tobo? Oh, she gets a call and it's like, okay, I didn't forget. I'll be there in a few minutes because, like, she's slept. dealing with the dog trauma and everything. And this is where she discovers

that Hedy has been buying the same clothes as her because she goes like looking for something and she goes in the closet and she's like, oh, wait a second, but I'm holding this dress and it's also in this closet and now there's this blouse that's also in this closet. You're like, uh-oh,

now it's time to call the police. The second you start mimicking clothing, I feel like that's, you got a dead dog, you got a bunch of matching clothes here. We got a fucking stalker on our hands. How is she doing that? How is she getting the exact clothes? Is she checking receipts?

Or is she just like tailing her every single time she goes shopping? Great question, Jordane. And I think it's because the lazy scene at the beginning of the movie where she's like taking her shopping. I think the movie is like, well, we've done enough work there. That's just the store where she goes to buy shit. So now like Jennifer Jason Lee is returning to that same clotheier to buy stuff. This roommate is like, they're digging through your guy. garbage. They're uncovering everything about your life, I feel. Also, those dad checks must be

humongous if you are affording all this plus mega rent at the fucking mansion. This girl is rich. This girl, this is a rich girl who is fucking losing her shit. Yes. Definitely. It's the most dangerous kind, man. I love, I do love that Stephen Weber goes on vacation after the dog dies. I mean, he has a business trip, but it's sort of like, yeah. Yeah, babe, you cool with that dead dog. I got to be at JFK in about 20 minutes. Do we know what he does

for a living, by the way? No, I am a businessish man. He goes to the business factory. And he turns business into coins. So we don't see, again, this would be a great opportunity for the movie to, like, show us a little more about this fashion computer program.

Instead, the scene starts... after she's given some big presentation to Tobo and maybe like some investors or something and there's been like a dinner and this is where Tobo's getting really inappropriate and he starts saying shit like well I was thinking about keeping you all to myself

and you're like oh man he's like grabbing her and saying like I've been a good boy haven't I and it's fucking unsettling I mean it's unsettling no matter what but it's exacerbated by the fact that this is coming out of gentle Stephen Tobolowski's mouth it's like watching it's like watching

Santa Claus grope a woman. It's like, I can't, I can't watch that happen. I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus. That's true. I could see Mommy kissing Tobolowski. It's like the Santa in that I think you should leave bit. Yeah. Or Santa stars in the action

movie or whatever. It's like that kind of Santa feeling. I get it. Yeah. The creepiest line, though, is it's your last chance to play before you're an old married lady. Yeah. Yuck town. Oh, man.

What kind of approach is that? Like, that's just so depressing. Like, if somebody said that I'd probably like go cry a little bit, like, is my life ending? And, you know, Tomo's looking okay in this movie, but he's not your last fuck before infidelity, man. Like, he's not exactly on the list, I'm going to guess. No. So it's great because she does, this is a classic move right. right here

because Tobo I mean it just keeps this scene it just like keeps spiraling into more depravity he fucking takes it out

just takes it right out he just like he just like unzits this dude is so it's a weird thing to watch also as a person

who has unfortunately seen every episode of Californication and and on that show it's like Pamela

Ablon is like not with Evan Handler for a bit because they're always like back and forth and there are all these jokes about how Evan

Evan Handler's character has like such a small dick that she like has to do like all these like stretches or whatever to see like how long she can keep him hard it's just like this is like her entire part in that show is just talking about vagina and like a lot of that's what she's there for but then she leaves him to be with Stephen Tobelowski and the whole thing with him is that okay

he's not that attractive in the face but he has a gigantic dick in every scene people talk about it that's incredible that's good so this was like worlds colliding for you

yes it was I mean finally something something good came for me watching Californication weird show yeah I watched a few seasons

I don't know did I make it to Tobo or not I don't know I think I watched it when I was gearing up to work at showtime be a good company man it's such a weird

show. It's like David DeCupney fucking every woman in California. That's really what it is. It's kind of insane. Like when he finally makes it, I think at like season seven, he finally has sex with someone black. And I was like, I never thought that this would happen. Wow, seven seasons before he's mixing it up, huh? That's fucking ridiculous. We landed on the moon. And it's also the season with Rizza. It's like, okay, so we're bringing Rizza. And so now all of a sudden, Hank knows black people. We got it. Or we've, ladies and gentlemen, we've read your letters.

We are, we're fixing it. We're fixing it. Season 7, that is a long time. I don't know why I watch that show. I love that she fucking straight up Captain Kirk hammer punches his enormous cock because she grabs like both of her fists.

Oh yeah. And she's like, oh, like take it. You know, I mean, she's in the middle of literally getting assaulted. So she's like trying to play a to get him off his guards or she's pretending like she's into it and he's like now it's going to happen

and then she like both hands and just wails on this thing it's a hammer uppercut yes like she's playing fucking volleyball

it's so awesome you can hear the bells ringing you really can when this happens I was surprised he's not a tidy whiteies man though

I'll be honest that he says the boxers the nice white box I was smelling tidy whiteies on Tobo oh David we did that 14 times and Bridget hit me

every single time fortunately I love getting hit nuts by Bridget Fonda I was sterile for months just months one of them's just dust now doesn't exist anymore I like the idea that Tova was trying to

like impregnate someone for months after this scene could not could not get there my friend and she runs away and she goes to Hetty and you know, Hetty, it's kind of amazing.

She calls up Tobelasky's house as she's like, no, I'll fix this. She's like, if you ever come near us again, if you,

because the whole thing, she's afraid like, he's got a bad mouth to be around the neighborhood. I'll never work again. That kind of a thing. If you ever, if you ever talk about her again,

your family is fucked. And it's like, yeah, man. You know what that? This piss me off so bad because one, you're robbing me of

another opportunity to see Tobo, but like, I need to see what's going on the other side of that fucking phone. Like, Tobo, you know, there's a wife at home, maybe a couple of kids running around, and he's just getting berated by Jennifer Jason Lee on the telephone. I think he's got the good sense to go in the bathroom, be like, I'll take this inside. I'm going to take my portable phone and go in the other room

and make sure that the answering machine doesn't kick in. Absolutely. I got the feeling that he doesn't have a family at all. Like, he's just like, what? What? Really? Okay. Tell whoever you like. Jesus.

She, I mean, the fact that he has a wife is like really funny to me and I really want to meet her. Yes. Like what is her deal? Yeah. Well, maybe like if he works in fashion, maybe like former model or something like the runway days are behind her and Tobo scooped her up or something. That is a show I'd watch. Showtime. Pick it up. Yeah, I could once again watch him fuck.

Yeah. he tells some story Jordane maybe you'll remember the episode on the Tobolowski files he tells I don't know if it's an entire story but he makes mention of like they had to film a scene where like he's having sex in a bathtub I need to

I need to listen to that I don't remember where it falls in the show but he talks about it at some point and I was like huh maybe I do want to watch Californication if that's what if that's the fornicating that tobo's getting up to if i can see a tobo sex scene let's do it it's a very interesting show like that basically posits that there is no person in the world who would not fuck david de company

but also no one in the world who wouldn't talk to david de company about fucking like he's like so fuck boo-boo on that show yeah it's sort of like they're trying to get into like the whole like cinemax thing or maybe silk stockings kind of bring it back A little bit of eroticism. I remember the breasts were out of control on that show. That's about all I really recall about that show. Yeah, I don't remember much. So to make Allie feel better about the whole Tobo thing,

Heddy's like, hey, you know what? We're going to go out. It's my treat. We're going to go to the salon. You just need to relax. I'm paying for it. Or my dad's paying for it. But you don't know that exactly.

It's a very important. It's a two-story hair. salon for sure. Totally. And so like you see Bridget Fonda, who basically looks like someone just like ran a blow dryer through her hair and that was kind of all that got done because she's already got short ass hair. So I don't know what really went down. But then you see like the big reveal of Jennifer Jason Lee walking down this staircase. And Bridget Fonda has the great, uh, you've got to be kidding me. Like just says it out loud. Oh man. Big laugh. I, I really want to know that was the point in the movie where I was like

did Jennifer Jason Lee specifically look for a white woman who looks like her from a distance or was it just a happy accident right yeah I gotta say like it's as far as the movie makes us

understand it's a happy accident because she just walks into that apartment like Dracula like we mentioned so there's no like I saw you from afar they didn't have like a meat cute at a coffee shop downstairs or something. Regardless, this is where I'm like, fuck off

goodbye. Yeah, I'm like to fucking Montana. I can't fucking take this. Whatever this is, it's got to stop. Like, this is too much. I need to talk to your hairdresser. We're still in the salon. You need to sit down. Something needs to we're not walking out of this complex looking

like this. No, she would have to like shave that head like a sunny and empire record. It would have to shave her right here. We're all going to hell tonight. Give me the clippers because I am not leaving as the fucking bobsy twins, my friend.

And she's like, oh, I didn't think you'd mind. Like, get out of here. Of course you would mind. They go to a newspaper stand and you can see, like, I was waiting for this like newspaper stand guy to be like, ah, sisters, huh? Or something like that.

But you can see like Bridget Fonda is just totally fucking embarrassed walking next to this woman. It's awesome. absolutely but it feels so good on her neck all the short hair she has to keep it she likes it a lot I mean it's true like I just kept on thinking about what would happen

if I got a roommate who had like very long hair and you know I shaved my head like every couple months and then suddenly she shaved her head and suddenly had the same glasses brought a dog home for you totally you gotta be a you know keep an eye out for these kind of things things. I mean, who knows?

So this is where Jennifer Jason Lee's like, all right, well, I'm going to take like a post haircut shower, which you definitely have to do. So good on her for that. And this is where Bridget Fonda's like looking through this secret shoebox that she has, where she keeps like all the evidence that will lead to her downfall. I feel like you don't keep that in the apartment. No. You burn that. You burn all of that.

If there's a, you know, if there was ever a trash can fire need, this is it. Throw it in there. But this is like you see a picture of the twins again. and it's like the twins with a puppy. So like she got Bridget Fonda to basically reenact that photo when they were like watching classic movies at home and taking Polaroids like you do at a sleepover. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah, they do watch classic movies. I saw that they were watching in a lonely place. I don't know the other one, but I kept on wondering like, why in a lonely? I guess I get it. It's that and I think the other one's an affair to remember. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Okay. So, yeah, so this is, oh, this is also what we learned. She pulls out the fucking newspaper clipping that's like nine-year-old Bech twin drowns in Lake. Yeah. And she finds the letter, you know, from Stephen Weber with the keys in it and all that good stuff. And then this right here is like, this is now call the police. Absolutely call the police. I would be calling the police in the salon.

I'd be like, I don't know if this is a crime. I don't know if this counts or anything. But whatever's happened with this air has got to stop. Police is out. Is this when she goes up to Graham? And grandma's like, dude, you haven't been up in here in weeks. I've been begging for you to call the police. This lady's nuts.

And she hears it through the vents, obviously. And now she realizes her back is against the wall. So she starts acting a little more erratically. because he's Graham is straight up like you have to kick her out like that's the whole thing is like this is bullshit you have to kick her out and this is this conversation is taking place we already talked about the scene so it's fine but it's taking place right as she comes home drunk from the sex club yes but the one thing about the sex club I do want to which we haven't hit like what is the purpose so she goes to a sex club and tells everyone that she's Ali and I guess she gets to have sex as Ali is that what we're talking about. I guess so. I don't think there is a point, Steve. I really don't.

I think it's just to be like, maybe to make Bridget Fonda's character like more uncomfortable outside rather than just in your humongous apartment. Got it. Like just to change of scenery even. It seems like it's just being like, oh, she's a sexual deviant.

So there must be something wrong. And she gets to go out on the town like dressed as her with the hair and try to feel as powerful, I guess, as she imagines Allie is. It's, yes, yeah. Where's the scene where I don't remember where it was where Bridget Fonda is coming home and Jennifer Jason Lee's like, what the fuck have you been?

Oh, yeah, that's a tough one. That's after she goes to the hotel with Stephen Weber and they get it on. And then like she instantly has the engagement ring back on. Yeah. And then she comes home after that. And Jennifer Jason Lee is sitting in Bridget Fonda's bed holding the dog. And yeah, it's a real where the fuck have you been? And that's again, that's the end of.

our relationship, goodbye, because I'm allowed to come home whenever I want. Because she also lays into her about something like, like, it was always going to work out for you, Allie. Look at yourself in the mirror. It would never happen for me, et cetera, et cetera. It's, it's a good scene because Jennifer Jason Lee fucking delivers it. Totally. Very compelling.

She does. But also at this point, like, and I get this way when I watch movies all the time, like where white women are in conflict with each other, where, okay, it's like, okay, so I'm supposed to believe that this is the hot one and this is. than not how it wouldn't. And I absolutely do not know because I don't know what it is that white women like see in each other

where they decide like it's like it's anthropological. I'm just like, oh, okay. Yes, if it's like her and Maria Perlman, I get it, but it's not, even that's too much. Like it's like it's fucking Jennifer Jason Lee.

She's gorgeous. So is Bridget Fonda. It's fine. I don't get it. It's just like, yeah. And when the hair pit happens, like it makes it even more obvious that they're just both beautiful women

so I just understand what's going I guess it's because her hair was dark you can't be hot and have dark hair that's true oh that's true says the blonde guy there that's no that's what media has been telling us for years

so she fucking beats Graham over the head with like the weird like iron bar that keeps this dude's flop house door locked Yeah, because he's like, all right, I'm going to get my therapist friend to call her and I guess a little prescriber medication over the phone or whatever Graham's plan is. It's not going to pan out. It's just a weird, like, listen, I'm going to have my friend call you and she's just going to tell you like all the crazy things that this girl did.

And then you're supposed to diagnose this shit over the phone, I guess. Exactly. Have her committed question mark. That's not going to happen, dude. Well, thankfully. At least he's like nice when he confront. Because, like, what happens here? Like, she sneaks into his apartment as Allie, but then tries to sneak out and is caught and tries to play it off and he realizes who she is. And this is where the beating starts to commence. But he's like, you know, you didn't do anything wrong.

Like, it's good. Everything's be fine. Like, relax. Yeah. And then this is, you know what? This is why you don't get involved in your neighbor's bullshit, man. Your neighbor, your neighbor wants a cup of sugar, this or that. maybe if you could pick up a pat leave my mail on my doorstep possibly i'm not getting involved i'm not

i'm not getting beat to death beat half to death by a rodiron pipe invite to a party i'm there hanging out and cuddling when you just break up with your fiancee you met a month ago no thank you i don't think so no definitely not uh so yeah she's like you know seen showering getting all the blood off. She's trying to get like blood out of this ring that I think is his ring. We see him like wearing this earlier in the movie. So she's like taking a trophy.

He's a collector. Yeah. Oh my God. The bloody clothes in the sink and she alludes that oh it's it's her period that made her clothes completely covered in blood. Yep. That's it. Yep.

That's it. Has she ever had a period? Has Bridget Fonda ever ever had a period, I wonder. I mean, I'm pretty sure she has. Because it's like a fucking Freddy Krueger fucking Costco in the fucking sink. And she's like, oh yeah, that's just it's just a period. That's just what that is.

Whoopsie doodle. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like maybe, you know, you don't want to ask about like the flow situation. Like maybe it's a medical condition. Also, you hate living with this woman and you don't want to dig any deeper. that's all fine it would not be my first thought no put it that way but by now she's you know she's suspecting stuff i think she she somehow calls the parents at this point from stuff in the box maybe

oh that's right yeah bridget fonda calls the parents and the parents are calling back and then uh uh jennifer jason is like oh it's an obscene caller let me rip the fucking wire out of the wall it's like i don't know she's like oh i was supposed to get a call from uh from stephen weber She's like, oh, don't worry about it. And that's when later on, Heddy is a guarding the phone, picks up immediately at Stephen Weber. He's back for business.

And that's how she knows he's there. And that's when she goes to his, because Bridget Fonda has this X-Men silver jacket. She walks around the city with. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it's like Gem and the holograms kind of close or something. What is Stephen Weber's deal that he's like,

he needs to see Bridget Fonda immediately, calls her at two in the morning? I guess maybe it's more of a hey I got, I just want to let you know that I got in from the plane okay. I guess it's an early you up type of thing. Yeah. I mean I think it is a situation though because he's like oh did she go to sleep

I think like she was maybe waiting up at one point and then like you know it gets intercepted by Jennifer Jason Lee and she's like no no no she definitely went to bed yeah. By this time Jennifer Jason Lee is also feeding her pills that we don't

really get. Do we ever see the actual medicine bottle and see what it is. It's just these things that seem to like completely put her out for like 20 hours. Because then we would actually have to do some type of real diagnosis here, right? Instead of having it be a maniac. It's just a maniac. Crazy person.

Crazy person. That's right. That's right. You know, here's the thing, Stephen Weber. How is she getting into this hotel room? That's a, maybe, no, she probably steals Ali's keys, probably. Oh, you know what? I think he mailed her keys. I wonder if that was

the keys. Yeah, to the hotel. In the letter that she stole. Which is... Oh, those were keys to the hotel room. Oh, I thought they were keys. Like, he was giving back the keys to this apartment. That's what I thought at first, but I guess this would actually make sense, you know, trying to piece together the parts of

this thing. I just don't understand. Like, it's such an uncomfortable scene, but I also don't really get like, she just rolls up on him in the dark. Yeah. And, And it's just like, there's, like, the first thing I would think is, like, is there like a creature in here?

Yeah, a succubus of old. It's wild shit because, like, there's no, like, her whole thing is like, well, now, you know, it's proof that you're a cheater. And it's like, he doesn't even really argue with that. And I'm just like, I don't. It's just the whole thing is just like, really. strange, and I think it's also just because, you know, the filmmakers, and I feel like a lot of people just didn't really recognize, like, how fucked up that scene was. Like, I feel like it's shot in a way where it's like, oh, it's going to be fucked up for Bridget Fonda's character,

but not this idea. I was just like, how is this man going to react that, like, his dick is being sucked against his will? Like, I don't know if there's, like, a lot of thought put into that. No. Because he would be like, what the fuck is happening? throw and be like, what is happening? I need to know. I need to have some semblance with what's going on to my dick right now. It's like, you know,

the lady's attached. You can't really break it off without maybe damaging the unit, right? You can't start just tumbling her head. That's true. Yeah, okay, good point there. You're welcome. I'm not going to say good point.

I'm going to just say fair point. Sure. That's just, you know what? The more questions I have about it, the more like extirated this podcast will be. You know what? Exactly. No, it gets, we don't need to go that deep into it.

But now he's the boy who cried Wolf, right? Because she's like, I'm going to tell Allie that, you know, you cheated on her or whatever. And he's like, no, I am, I mean, which is the right way to do this. It's the way you have to get ahead of this situation. Absolutely. You can't just be like, I don't know. Dude, I don't know what happened. It's like, everybody knows what happened.

But that's the thing, though, is he's very confidently like, fine, fucking tell her. I'm going to tell her too. You're crazy. And it's like, nah, dude. Like, because of the previous indiscretion, there's no way, whatever nonsense fucking, you know, thing you say to her, she's going to believe, regardless of it being the truth. And also not to be, I mean, like, you have this, like, honest to goodness lunatic in your house who just sexually assaulted you. Why don't you just get her out first and then worry about your girlfriend? Like, this happens in Lifetime movies, too, where someone is, like, in peril and they're like, this is what I really think about you.

It's like, you know what? No, no, no, no. How about like, oh, no, sure, yeah, okay, I'll move away and I'll never ever see her again. You're right, bye, bye, bye. See you. I just thought of the perfect Weber move here is it's sort of like that elderly Abe Simpson taking the hat off and putting it back on. Go back on that business trip. Get a flight immediately and just be like, I had to stay another day or two. I'll be back soon.

So then it's just like, no, I wasn't even here in New York. Yeah, totally. Here's a receipt from this San Francisco cafe. I clearly got lunch at yesterday. So you just fly there and fly back to make the blowjob go away. And instead what happens? He gets a fucking knife heel in the eyeball.

A stiletto to the skull. Yes. It's brutal. It's awesome. It's kind of a cool death. Come on. It's a great death. It's real good.

It's absolutely great. And Weber fucking sells it too. He's great here. It's, I mean, he goes down. I mean, it happens immediately because you're like, I mean, this guy's like six foot four. like she's like five foot two. You know,

this is going to be a difficult fight for Jennifer Jason Lee. Uh-uh, knife shoes, motherfucker. Totally. The Freddie Krue the Freddie Kruger Crouture collection. Oh, definitely.

At Louis Vuitton. She got the nice ones. I made these myself. They're all the rage in Paris, you know. It's very big there. Freddie Krueger's a foot guy, I think, right?

Yeah, yeah. Sash away. Get out. out of here. Go on. Freddy Kruger. So she goes home and immediately burns all of her murder clothes

in the incinerator. Now, Steve, is this anything like the one that you burned your pants that got caught on the chain link fence on? See,

my incinerator, at least it was a garbage shoot. You didn't get to see what was going on down there. So it was a shoot of fire? Oh, no, it's a shoot, but then the super

would take the contents of the shoot into the incinerator. Interesting. Okay, so you couldn't like throw a dog down there. It wouldn't be instantly taken up. You couldn't and you shouldn't throw a dog down.

I'll write that down. But yes, I do love, there is an ending of this movie wherein Jennifer Jason Lee gets burned like a witch and I'm like kind of into that. Because like at the end that open fire portal is there, I'm like, what if she pushed her in? It would rule, but it doesn't happen. Well, did anybody, because I didn't read up on it,

but apparently there was, like, the ending of this movie was reshot because it tested poorly. but I didn't, I didn't read what that, like, original ending actually was. I don't know if it's, like, closer to the source material or what the deal was. I'm hoping it's a Jennifer Jason Lee as Hannibal Lecter. Yeah.

Oh, she's going to go have an old friend for dinner? I'm going to go copy an old friend for dinner for the rest of my life. Goodbye. But now we are full on fucked. Jennifer Jason Lee is now bleaching the house. Smart move, by the way, of any trace of chance. ever lived there. Yep.

And Bridget Fonda's like, you didn't have to clean up. I'm like, do you smell the bleach and the huge gloves? Like, maybe something's going on. It's so stupid because like they have had a previous conversation where she, Bridget Fonda says to her like, look, you know, we'll work something out. Like you got to go or maybe like I'll go and you can keep this place. Don't worry. We'll figure it out.

You know, but I really think you should move out. So when she comes home to the bleaching. of this apartment. She's like, oh, well, I didn't mean you had to move out today. What is going on here? This is getting bleached. This is beyond trying to keep a security deposit. If I saw this, I would be like, oh, so do you have any extra speed? Because I would really love some. I'm under a crunch here.

But like, yeah, she's scrubbing everything. I'd be like, oh, she's on a binge or something. Like, my first thought would not be like, oh, she's leaving me. Right. Um, and, um, you know, she leaves to do something. She is, she, she, Jennifer goes in the other room and then, uh, Ali watches the TV and whoops. They, they, they say that Stephen Weber has been murdered. And she's like, oh, my God. Yep. She tries to call the hotel room. She's like, oh, 612, you know, Stephen Weber's room. And, uh, the guy's like, oh, uh, there's,

uh, there's been an accident. Uh, and she fucking finds, uh, uh, uh, and she fucking finds, uh, uh, the heel in the bathroom, and there's like just the tiny, tiniest little bit of blood on it. I love that detail. She fucking finally puts all these pieces together and starts freaking out. The knife shoes should be number one on your burn list there, Jennifer Jason. Yes. Those should be rightly incinerator. I think that should be number one list.

You know, the shirt, it's also important. I'm not saying it isn't. But the ones with the actual physical evidence on it might want to go first. I don't know. Dude, those are expensive. They're one of a kind knife shoes. fair you know Kruger originals they're really good they're big yeah where the hell did Jennifer Jason Lee get a gun yeah that's well I don't know from a bag she just gets no yeah I know but like who

would give this woman a gun I guess she would get at the United States of America I guess fair okay despite all the medication and medical history it doesn't like I don't know the only time I ever see like tiny white women with guns is like where I'm from in the south like I don't I don't know. In New York, where would they even go? What do you talk to? See, and that's why, like, I wished we had, because, like, there's no surprise what this movie is about. Like, why you're going to see this movie is because the preview told you it's one girl who has a roommate who's fucking nuts and starts fucking with her. So, like, you know, because there's no mystery there, it would be cool if there was some backstory or something where it's, like, the previous victim or something like that.

Yeah. You know, get a little history because maybe like the last person that she fucking, well, Black Widowed isn't the right term. But, you know, just like killed her last roommate and moved on. Like, you know, maybe that's where she got the gun from or something like that. I don't know. Yeah, well, you know, history's mysteries, but it does lead us to a climatic ending here. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is a great ending to this movie, I think.

Oh, yeah. The whole scene in the, I mean, first of all, like the videos they she chooses to use. to torture her in this. Oh, no, I guess she finds the music videos, doesn't she? Yes, because basically she ties her to a chair, um, dyes her hair. And this is a great Jennifer Jason Lee delivery, which she comes out with the dark hair again. She's like, all right, All right, Allie, don't laugh. And this is a reveal that, uh, she's tied to a chair gagged, which is kind of like, it's such a great, like, deadpan kind of like, everything is totally nuts. Right. And it's that fucked up thing too of like, you know, this woman has done something

horrible, like, tied this person to a chair and whatever. But, like, we're making a, like, she's, you know, worried that she's going to make a joke about her die job or whatever, which is always, like, the clearest sign that the person is beyond saving at this point. It's like, you don't even acknowledge what you're doing is totally

fucked up in any way. And she, she leaves to cash some check and, um, uh, Bridget, she gives, you know, she lives at the TV, like, hey, if you want to watch this or that, you know, these are the movie channels. And she cranks up the music.

Meanwhile, we do see, it's kind of a really interesting scene because the sort of the subtext of at least Jennifer Jason Lee being by and being like romantically attracted to Bridget Fonda is made text very specifically at the end of the movie. But there's also this moment where like she's getting hit on by this check cashing clerk of like, yeah, she'd be fine if she was just like, I don't know, I want somebody that isn't my. twin that I'm not murdering people with knife shoes. I don't have to murder her boyfriend with knife shoes. She just wants to go on a nice date. That is an interesting moment when she meets that clerk that's like into her and they're

having this nice conversation. It shows that like it's she's just crazy it's not society's fault. It takes the edge off the like crazy quote unquote lesbian subplot I think at least a little bit. But so yeah while she's at the check cashing place, yeah, Fonda turns

the music. Now this is where it's fucked up because there's some other guy that opens his door and is like, loud music, this is the opportunity of Mrs. Chote come back in the movie. Why is there this fucking stranger? You already told me there's this old lady in the building. She's

very suspicious about who is in the building, obviously, as all old people are. So like, have her be the one that calls the super up there. Oh, the television's way too loud. Yes. There's something like that. There's some pre- Romstein German rock

outfit going on? Yes. I don't know what this music video is. No idea what this was. Eric, do you know? No, no clue. When I wrote it down, I wrote it down. Hold on. It is front 242, which sounds very No, yeah, I've heard of front 242 actually. Yeah, an early industrial type of

band. Michael Bay, was it really into them, I might feel. So if this is like 1992 and you got like that kind of a music on a music video, it was like what, like 120? minutes was on. Like that's what in the middle of the day, I guess.

Matt Pinfield or whoever was before him yammering on about him. Was 120 minutes always in the morning though? It was usually at night. What is 120 minutes? Oh, we're dating ourselves here. This is like the answering machine. 120 minutes was a show on MTV

where it was literally two hours of just you got music videos like in a nice hard rock. Yeah. hard rock alternative yeah yeah yeah specifically like hard rock and alternative and stuff like that yeah oh I was gonna say yeah this movie came out the year I was born so yeah yeah yeah but the four of us will just be curling up over here you know that's wonderful

dude so fucking Jennifer Jason Lee comes home and it is dude Steve Sadek's favorite show the slap yeah she she really hits her it's a hit it's a hit it's a hit that's been rehearsed. And this is when she's going to kill her with a knife to the throat and she kisses her. It's a cool moment with the serrated knife making a mark

on her throat while they kiss. It's very it's, you know, Barbette Schroeder knows what he's doing behind that camera. Yeah, nice symbolic imagery every once in a while. Not bad. It's also the only moment where Hedy reveals any kind of like past info. Like this is what

I was kind of complaining about. We don't have more of, but she does mention like something something like the last girl in Tampa or something like that and I'm like ooh I want whatever that backstory is too give me that Jordan maybe that solves the gun problem you can buy a gun in Tampa

I'm pretty sure that's true 100% you can they come in fucking McDonald's happy meals down there you can I don't know if it's still a thing but when I was still living in Georgia you could just get you could just get like a gun at Walmart there's like a section in the

Walmart. Yeah, that's probably still there. Yeah. That policy's probably still in place. I assume the sequel isn't fucking, I would really like this, fucking Florida, hot Florida night single white female too. It's just like the psycho or something. Yes. It's the second one. Yeah. Single white female two, the psycho. One of those like in name only sequels that that came out. It's like in 2000 teens of some kind, I think.

It was like 2005 or something. Yeah, it reminds me of that like American Psycho sequel with LeCoonis. And William Shatner in them. Well, there was a spate of weird direct to DVD, specifically direct to DVD sequels of that. There was Roadhouse was another one. Yep. Roadhouse, where the villain

is a hot tub. Lovein Jake Busey. I like that. And it's the guy is Jonathan Sheck. I don't need to fucking remember any of that. But there was a lot of that kind of stuff going on. If you can just redo the name, it's fine kind of thing. It's incredible that we never got a commando to in that sense.

That's true. Totally stunning, right? Yeah. Do you want Commando to it's Scott Adkins? That's true. I'm surprised it's not happened. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened. But Steve's right, though, because I want Arnold to portraying John Matrix a second time.

Sure. Yes. Anything else is just subpar. It really bothers me that the update to this movie, the roommate, which I have seen, is just, like, so fucking boring. Because it came out in, like, 2011. Weird year for movies that was. But it's just, it's so, it's so bland and it's, like, not even hot. And it's, like, such a weird waste of time.

They were just, like, Layton Meester and Micah Kelly. similar. I saw that movie. I saw that movie at theaters. In theaters, I saw that film. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's so funny, Jordane, because I was looking it up. And the second you said the two actresses, I was like, yes, now I remember that coming out. Oh, and Chris, your favorite, your favorite actor, Cam Gigandit. Oh, yeah. While we're talking about credits, I was looking up some credits of this movie. The twins at the start are the little girls from kindergarten. and cop that says our mom says our dad is a real sex machine.

Oh, really? And the perfect tenant is Renee Estavez. Oh, yes. Emilio and Charlie's sister. Sister? Yeah. But to your point, Jordan, like that movie, this movie does get remade all the time on the Lifetime Network

and it's always bland and flat and they, the funny thing about that, those movies, and at least I think the roommate at least has some sexual tension between the two leads we don't lose that because in on Lifetime movies it's always like

I'm obsessed with you I want to be with you for money or something they never connect the fucking dots because they're afraid of it which is frustrating because of like a same sex relationship is that the idea? They're very afraid to say that on the television

yeah there's like it reminds me of like the OC well mentioning cam reminded me of the OC which I've been watching for the first time and there's this whole thing with old girl from Star Trek the blonde one the beautiful blonde one

who I can't remember Alice Eve Jerry Ryan Oh Jerry Ryan Where Jerry Ryan shows up and like gets obsessed with like the mom on the OC

and like for a minute I'm just like oh is it going to get like sexy and then it just turns out that she's just like trying to steal her money and it's just like a real wasted opportunity there. Yeah, that's That's a bummer.

That's not what you want. It's bland. But no. So she kisses her on the, she kisses her on the mouth. It's like, I love you now. And Jennifer Jason is like, great. Let's get married. And it's like, come on, crazy lady.

Figure it out. Yeah. But she's like, okay, I'll buy us tickets to Los Angeles. And then she gets into the chat room with the NYPD, by the way. Dude, this, whatever this interface is is hilarious. It's like cop emergency tips slash C underscore chat room Yes, this is Officer Patsarelli

ASL First of all Just like chat roulette with cops Oh nice It's the only safe way to confront an officer Yeah totally Through the safety of the internet So fucking Jennifer Jason Lee catches her.

Yeah. Flips out. Totally a great moment where she goes down to the storage locker in the basement and gets the suitcase out. And before lugging it back up the elevator, she gets in to make sure a person can fit in it. Yeah. Totally. And at first time I was like, is she just hiding? And then I was like, oh, no, that's not what's going on.

Meanwhile, the movie remembered they forgot to kill Stephen Tobolowski. So they're like, oh, shit. We've got five minutes. I don't know. Maybe his software breaks and he goes to her house and then goes to her neighbor's house because he knows she hangs out there or something. The software thing is so weird. She wrote his name on a business card or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the software is like auto deleting everything. And at first I was like, oh, Jennifer Jason Lee was lying and she's a computer genius and she's hacking this shit out. But no, it's, I guess, I guess, Ellie. Bridget Fond is just enough of a maniac that would program this in. Well, she says she has a line

that she says to Jennifer Jason Lee, oh, there's a failsafe in my software that I wrote where like if he doesn't pay me in full by a certain date, it's all going to like delete until he pays me. Because then when the thing comes up on the screen, it's like you still owe Allie Software Enterprises X amount of money,

you know, and if you don't pay it and, you know, however many hours, your shit's going to be permanently deleted. That's some, not some bond villain shit. Yeah. It's very least like a crash override type of move. Oh, totally, dude. Yeah, we're going total fucking hackers in this movie now. I love, so he like is asking Jennifer Jason Lee has this huge suitcase and she's like about to murder her.

And Toblas says, oh, excuse me, miss, do you know if Allie lives here? Oh, no, I don't know that. well why you got her suitcase and like shoves his way into the apartment like something must be wrong so so so she was keeping her suitcase down by the incinerator yeah it's like a storage unit's also

maybe there's a big pile to burn and not to burn well they got they got those in buildings I mean I've never lived in one but like in the basement there's a bunch of cages and it's your it's your storage unit kind of thing but this is the I think might be one of the greatest lines

Tobo has ever uttered in the motion picture in any motion picture he's been in he fucking runs into this apartment and Caesar fucking taped up to the chair and just goes, what the fuck? Man, I had to fucking stop, rewind and watch that reaction

six. Cursed words in his mouth are always fun every time. It does, it's never fail on this one. That's what it is, is the cursing. You're totally right. And it's, he gets into a very quick fight with Jennifer Jason Lee like because he's fucking Karim Abdul-Jabbar in this scene he's like 20 feet tall he's just

like swatting her like a fly and then don't worry about her I took care of her exactly what now I'm murdered I got shot in the face through a pillow oh it's so cool she knocks it with something heavy maybe a lamp or something

he knocks over and then the pillow and the gun in the face did this happen to him in California Cajian Jordan is that the series finale no he's just banging in the bathtub apparently David Duke Coffney's Hank Moody character realizes this guy's got too big of a dick and puts a pillow over his head and shoots him

how can he even fit into a bed like I would have to how can he fit into a bathroom he's so tall exactly yeah is she trying to fit both Tobo and Bridget Fonda in that suitcase I think she's going to be disappointed. Yeah, you need a bigger. I think you just leave him and... Well, Jennifer Jason Lee like gets her to write a suicide note

and then like, now put your hand on the monitor so that people know it's really you. Right. Yeah. And then it turns out by the way, Graham is alive and just like laying unconscious in his bathtub with the cat

the whole time. So you see him starts stirring and he kind of like comes in to save the day sort of like tries to attack Jennifer Jason Lee she throws him down because he's still like a little too out of it then there's like this elevator fight which isn't too

bad and you realize like oh fuck like because Bridger Fonda gets knocked unconscious again and you're like oh she's being dragged like through the basement she's going to put this woman in the incinerator not too shabby and I'm cheering on my couch

yeah someone needs to get in this thing it's sad that it doesn't happen nobody maybe that was the ending they didn't like but what I love about Chekhov's incinerator actually went off the cabin the incinerator thing it's like okay there's a wheelbarrel down there perfect for bodies there's also a giant

meat hook that Jennifer Jason Lee grabs out of a closet what is that shit? It's exactly the weapon from I know what you did last summer she's just missing the slicker Roger Ebert by the way in his review called this movie a slasher which I don't don't think it's correct.

No. Old Raj was off that day. Incorrect. Horny thriller. Rage. Horny thriller. Yeah. Like, but I could totally imagine

Hedy just like totally menacing a summer camp. Oh, that would be amazing. That's the sequel I want. Yeah. Exactly. Single white summer camp.

I think I like that idea. This is a place for singles in the cat skills. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, whatever. Jennifer, or Bridger Fonda pulls a little bit of a Michael Myers here. Like, Jennifer Jason Lee turns around because she's like,

she's dragging her, but she realizes she can't look at her face, so she covers it up with a blanket. So then when she turns around, it's just the blanket there. Uh-oh, she's gotten up. And she's like crawling around an event somehow. Yeah. I didn't really see how this went down. And then throws a rat on Jennifer Jason.

That's great. dude rat as attack weapon, not too bad. She kills her with this Navy SEAL maneuver that I've never, like she's like upside down. Her knees are on a pipe and like repels down and stabs her in the back. I'm like, this is not what this character can do. I'm sorry. And speaking of Commando too.

With the screw driver from the elevator that was established that you need sometimes to open the great door or something. Yes. Yep. So thank goodness. was explained to us early on. They set it all up. There's a lot of checkoffs here a checkoff screwdriver, checkoffs

incinerator, Chekhov's crowbar, Chekhov's blowjob. Indeed. Check off's knife shoes. You know, big time checkoffs. You see her buy those things, man. You're like, where are those going? If you

see knife shoes in first act, by third act, have to smash into someone's eyeball. Do you think that story got closed down after these events it's like I don't know the autopsy report says he was murdered by some kind of knife shoe I think

at the very least you're taking that shoe off the market oh you know what? No no sales are going through the roof you know I need a knife shoe to defend me and my family all right yeah it's a bunch of dudes in fucking camouflage jackets coming to buy him yeah I'm here for the knife shoes I'm just thinking about like Frank Reynolds like Danny Tevito's character from it's always

Sonny just like being like I got a new I got a new scam. What about night shoes? Yeah, I mean, there was an episode where he wanted people to take shots out of a shotgun, right? Yeah, so that works. That works.

That totally works. When you say like all these survivalists dudes, I would love if they didn't make knife shoes and all these survivals are walking around in high heels, but they're knife high heels. It's like, what? These are from my defense. I'll look fabulous.

Look, I got a lot of new empathy for women. It is hard to walk around in these. It's very difficult. I mean, it is. That's why I do not own them. Absolutely. Do you not own knife shoes of any kind? No, no nice shoes, unfortunately.

It's a bummer. I have the James Bond knife shoe where you click your heels together and a blade comes out of the toe. That's a good move. Yeah. And then just the last bit of this movie is like a little bit of a like, voiceover from Bridget Fonda like this seems a little messy here where it's just she's like giving

all of this information about uh, heady's character which like doesn't matter anymore because she's fucking dead in the basement. But it's like, you know, oh yeah, she never forgave herself for being the twin that survived the drowning or whatever. Like this movie needs to make it that she'd drown that sister.

Yeah. Like I hate, they try to like drum up sympathy for this woman like right at the end of it like no, no, no, no. She fucking threw that dog out the window. She, you know, sexually assaulted Stephen Weber, killed him the whole thing. I'm going to forgive her or whatever. And then it's also like I cried for a week, you know,

during Sam's funeral. Oh, by the way, Graham lived. Anyway, goodbye. Credits. You guys later. See ya. It's been nice. It's been nice. Massive head trauma. But that is the end of this movie, the end of single white female. Jordaen will start with you.

Final thoughts on the film, how it held up for you. Would you recommend it all that good stuff? Well, like, I feel like, like, as I get older, I'm constantly just, like, thirsty for a horny movie from the 90s. Oh, yeah. So, like, you know, it's late. You're having a glass of wine. You're going to watch single white female. Maybe you got, like, you know, like, that's, that's really, it's really chill.

Like, I had a blunt with it, and it was quite nice. So I would say, yeah, I mean, like, the problem's, you know. that are very much like the problems of the 90s in general. Yeah. Sure. But it's still, but it's still fun and kind of head and shoulders above like what it

would look like now. Yeah, so that's for damn sure. And who can speak to that, but none other than Steve Sadec, Lifetime extraordinaire himself. Yeah, it's I mean, it's definitely recommend, especially because, I mean, yeah, problematic elements like Jordan said, for sure,

abound really. But it's, I mean, it's actually an effective little movie. It's an hour, 47 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, it's so, you know, things start getting weird within a half hour. You're like, okay. And then, then it's over. You know what I mean?

And, like, we go on all these divergences. It looks very good. The apartment is insane. But that it's kind of apartment porn too in that way, too. You know what I mean? Like, I definitely want to live there. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with it. It's like, on every, like, six or seven year movie.

Definitely a hangover movie, too, for sure. Oh, absolutely. And it also just, like, has great cinematography also. Yes. Which we didn't mention. Yeah. Yeah, the guy, it's Susperia, the original, he did, he shot it. Same D.P. Oh, really?

Yes. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, which is really something. Yeah. I mean, the blues in this movie, like, when you see them, it reminds me a lot of the use of blue and fuck. I'll remember in a second. why I'm shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like,

someone else has seen a fuck movie. Luciano Tavoli did shot this movie, which is, he did a really good job. Chris Cabin. Yeah, I highly recommend this actually. It's good trash.

It's just really good trash. It's well acted. I mean, Shorter is just a really good director. He knows where to put the images. And like said, like the blues are good. The reds are like the oranges are good. like when it's like sun coming through the what's it called the kitchen window

the kitchen window where like they're talking it's amazing like it just looks good it's just a script by Don Roos of all people it's just insane and like it just lost it at the end like total threat is lost at the end I'm like okay you're just hurrying to end this at this point but still yes I would say do it yeah and I saw that it was like his first screenplay and it's like It reads like it. Yeah. Pretty wild. Well, I will also obviously recommend it.

This is a lot of fun. I hadn't seen it since we watched it back in our apartment days in Astoria, Queens. And I forgot a lot of it. And it was just, it was a blast revisiting it. So definitely check it out. If you have not, or if you have, revisit this sucker. Yeah, it is currently on HBO Max here in the state, so you can check it out there. I would totally recommend it.

It's fucking, it's blissfully entertaining trash. You know, it's probably like the third and fourth time I've seen it. Had a good time with it. I'm not going to say anything that anyone else here hasn't already said. But, yeah, I would wholeheartedly recommend it. So that's going to do it for this episode. Jordane, thanks so much for coming back and hanging out. And we'll give the floor to you now.

Plug away. What do you got going on? What do you want folks to read and listen to and all that good stuff? You can listen about romance. We're like on a break right now, but we're recording new episodes soon. We just did a live show recently. was really fun. We did John Tucker Must Die. That's not online yet, but

hopefully, unless we lost the audio, which is possible. Been there. I am on my Twitter and Instagram at Judy Squirrels. You know, you can read my film criticism.

I write for like the Hollywood Reporter and some other shit. Yeah. There it is. Well, thanks for coming on and hanging out again. This was a blast. and so that's going to do it for this episode but as always here on We Hate Movies you can get more content over on Patreon

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the robot alien with emphysema With lightsabers, who's not a... Yeah, anyway, listen to the episode. We got pound puppies on animation damnation. Oh, yeah. That is like the funniest little cartoon about sending dogs to a gas chamber.

Yes, a little weird. It was a totally unsettling episode. Yeah, that's for sure. And as always here on the main feed, the show will continue next Tuesday. There's a brand new episode. Steve, what are we talking about next week, my friend? The spookacular, ladies gentlemen. It's here. We're so excited.

We are doing an American Werewolf in Paris. Ooh, yeah. Tom Everett Scott. Yeah, his gap year in Paris. I think that would work. Yeah, it's him. It's Julie Delpy. Julie Delpy, of course.

And then Steve, we were talking about this the other guy is who? Oh, God. Vince Valoof, I think, is this gentleman's name? Oh, fuck. Yeah, dude. like an auto name generator or something?

Hold on. Now I have to look it up. I'm curious. Yeah. I have to say the only thing that I remember about that movie because it's been ages and ages since I watched it once on VHS is that I believe they bungee jump

off the Eiffel Tower. They certainly do. That sounds right. His name is Vince. His name is Vince Villeuf. He was in Rat Race. He's going with all the All the, like, what do you call it, their face piercings and rat race? Yeah, so there's something. Yeah, so coming up next week, it's a movie starring one dude you may remember,

one woman you definitely remember, and one dude you definitely never heard of in your life. So until next week with an American werewolf in Paris. I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Sadek. Eric Sisko. Chris Cabin. Drudey and Sells. Take it easy.

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