We Hate Movies - S12 Ep593: Blown Away (with Jamelle Bouie)

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

On this week's episode, the guys welcome back friend of the show, New York Times columnist, and co-host of the Unclear and Present Danger podcast, Jamelle Bouie! It's sort of an unofficial WLM episode as everyone gathers to chat about the totally outrageous 1994 action film, Blown Away! How great is Tommy Lee Jones' Batman villain boat hideout? Would that bar really have hired Mike Starr? And what is going on with everyone's accent in this movie?! PLUS: Watch out for that exploding garlic bread!  Blown Away stars Jeff Bridges, Tommy Lee Jones, Suzy Amis, Forest Whitaker, Lloyd Bridges, and Ruben Santiago-Hudson as Blanket; directed by Stephen Hopkins. Check out the WHM Merch Store -- featuring new Mortal Kombat & Bean Dinner designs! Advertise on We Hate Movies via Gumball.fm Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

this week on the program bust out your bad accents and flame retardant pants because we're getting blown away. I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Siddak. Harta-T-T-Tar-T-T-R. Jamel Bowie. Oh, my God.

Edway, hate movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, that's right. We're talking blown away from 1994, directed by Stephen Hopkins. And to help us on this journey. We're so very stoked to welcome back. Friend of the show, New York Times columnist, serial enthusiast, and co-host of the Unclear and Present Danger podcast, our good buddy, Jamel Bowie. How's it going, man? Hello, thank you for having me once again. Of course.

To talk about this wonderful, wonderful movie. Oh, yeah. This is, so I want to get right to it, Jamel. Had you seen this before coming on the program? No, I hadn't. And when I was looking, when I was watching it, I was like, is this this, this feels like it should be on the list for unclear and present danger and it turns out it is like

sometimes later in the year. But I'd never seen this before and I'm shocked because it's sort of like everything that I love. It's like I'll be the 90s political thriller is like my favorite genre and I do not know how I miss this movie with Tommy Lee Jones playing

this sort of like having this like wonderfully impish performance. Oh my God. It's sort of ain't I a stinker performance. He's the Irish Joker is what he is. It is. Well, dude, that's exactly the thought I put together last night. I realize now why he was so upset working with Jim Carrey on Batman Forever and saying

like he could not sanction that guy's buffoonery because Jim Carrey was doing his performance from this movie. It's unbelievable the way he is tap dancing around this thing going so far beyond like Irish bomber character. My God. I mean, it goes beyond that. I mean, he's, he's finding out you two for the first time getting out. He's learning all about the new Irish culture while also killing a cop's vibe. What, like the half dozens?

Yep. This movie has a body count. I was not expecting it going in. I was like, at a certain point, I'm sure we'll get into this, obviously. But at a certain point, I was thinking, are they just going to like kill off everyone at that wedding one by one? And no on behold. Oh, man, this team. that fucking eats shit.

It is just unbelievable. I would like to posit the reason why a lot of us didn't know about this movie is because there was a much more popular successful bomber-related movie that came out the same year, which is, of course, speed.

Three weeks earlier. Oh, was it that close? Yes, it really was. It just rushed it. It really just swooped in because MGM knew they had it thought this was going to be a huge hit. And they're like, oh, let's push this back

to July. And then I think something, something. Fox was like let's let's push up speed and speed came in and was and I mean this movie kind of it's weird to look at the two movies because I mean speed's a better movie for sure however this movie goes so hard so it's really hard for me to like like I'm fine with both of them it's a rare case of like you know what you both did a great job yeah speed speed is a breakout like you there is nothing like speed this what I like about this is this is very familiar this is the plotting is very familiar everything I should say I've seen this a lot I had I've seen this at least 20 times was this part of your father's

Columbia house game with the VHS tapes absolutely it was we went through two copies of it he was he was a big fan my mother was also a big fan because you really like to Jeff Bridges and why wouldn't you he's he's so good in this but yeah I've always thought this was like

I was always surprised to find out that people didn't like this. Like I'd read reviews and be like, eh, it's, it's fine. And I'm like, no, what are you talking about? This is really good. It's just really all so stupid. Well, it's unhinged excellence.

Right. Right. I mean, like, to go back to speed, Chris is right. Speed is a, is a breakout movie. It is, I think it sort of, it kind of, it pioneers action filmmaking in a really unique way that kind of you'll see

throughout the, throughout the rush of the decade. It's sort of, oh, it's like the die heart of the 90s, right? It's, it's, it created a new kind of thing. And blown away isn't that, but it's still just a, a great time. And when I, when I pulled it up to watch, I saw the runtime was like two hours. I was like, oh, God, two hours. And, but it went by in a flash. I was just like, the entire time, I was like, I am, I am keyed into what this movie is doing. Well, because every 13 minutes, someone is getting blown up. And that is the pace. that I'm looking for.

I mean, like, and that's why, like, I think, again, speed is, is all the things we said it is, and speed's all about tension, obviously. It's all about the engine of this bus and oh, my God, what's going to happen to this bus and these, these characters and all these little problems we have with like, no, no, no, this is people getting systematically blown the fuck away, which is the original titles, blown the fuck away, that they had to clean it up for the American distribution. But, and I think that, I think probably what really hampers this movie is the accent. is the, it's the elephant in the room and like, yeah, I know it's got to be IRA and it's got to be, is, I think Bridges' Boston accent is actually worse than Tommy Lee Jones's Irish accent. I didn't know what he was doing. They're both fit for Saturday Night Live. I mean, you know. I mean, at least Tommy Lee Jones's Irish accent was like consistent for most of the movie. Bridges is just like dropping in and out of that Boston accent. To the point, we were like, just don't even bother, man. Like, hey, look.

you are a secret undercover ex-IRA guy and you know you're just you have a fake American accent which sounds remarkably like regular Jeff Bridges talking how about that? Right. Yeah. I mean it's weird though because once the movie

like reveals that he is secret Irish you know they could be anywhere they could be you or you. I mean but like he it appears as if like I mean in this must

been like a scene to see and take to take thing was flirting with the idea of like when he's talking to Tommy Lee Jones or maybe also when he's talking to Lloyd Bridges like it's he's like kind of falling into an Irish thing but it doesn't work the only time you really notice it is he starts saying Ireland like he starts really irishing up the pronunciation of the country name but other than that it's just not happening it's funny that it's not only like a secondary like it lost out on the bomb expert edge to speed. But it also

all the IRA movies that were coming out at this time all are remembered more than this like Patriot Games, the frequent too, in present danger, and in the name of the father I think is the year before this, maybe. And then when's devil's own? That's later, right?

That's 97. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And I'm but like this is always also say our good colleague, Eric Siska, is off with the IRA currently. That is why he couldn't make it today. He's helping them regroup. I know he's not exactly of their side. He's more of the, of the Germanic tribes, but he thought they might need some help and he couldn't make it today. It is interesting that you do have all these IRA movies around this time. I mean, this is, you know, on the podcast

I co-host, you know, we're trying to unpack the politics of these things. And it's so clear, especially with a movie like Patriot games that there's just sort of like well what is like who is the baddie now that we're no longer in like you know a conflict with the Soviet Union and it's just funny that the answer is like kind of consistently well I guess it's the Irish

like I guess it's Irish nationalism which is also funny because like if there's a I don't know how familiar you guys are with the history of like English colonialism in Ireland. But like if there's anyone who's like totally justified and like going ape shit about this stuff, it is probably the Irish. Exactly. It's not like they're going to be like, ah, yes. If the IRA won, like, oh, we've finally done it, boys. And now America. Like that's not the next step in their master plan. Yeah, exactly. We were, we were just cheering on the UK from

the sidelines. Like it wasn't even our conflict. No, exactly. Like, we, we, we, we love the UK and that. But it's just, it's so bizarre that the idea that this would turn up on our shores immediately thereafter because it, we're the next domino to fall in this crime syndicate, you know? Well, the great detail also is that we are told at some point, I don't remember who says it, maybe it was Forrest Whitaker brings it up. Someone is like, oh, so Tommy Lee Jones was IRA, to which Jeff Bridges replies, no, he was too crazy for. the IRA. Okay. But it's, I thought it was interesting that they didn't

bother saying like splinter cell or anything like that, but it's just like, no, no, no, no. He was too fucking batch shit for the IRA, if you can believe it. He was part of the super IRA. I don't know if you're part of them. They're really, really underground. This poor captain, for this whole fucking movie, man, it's just

made a dope throughout this. This poor John Finn guy. Because when he does bring up the thing like, oh yeah, Garrity, you know, here I got his whole rap sheet here, a timely Jones's character. He's like, how did you get this? He's like, um, Interpol. Oh, dude,

I just, I have Interpol. Interpol on speed dial. And they're all like, right, that sounds right. Yeah, that sounds good. Forrest Whitaker is the only guy in this movie who's like, that kind of sounds like horseshit, Jeff Bridges. But way before that, we get this like solemn intro with like, I just wrote down none

music. I mean, this is like operatic church shit, you know. And this is, is what I miss about the 90s is like ponderous action movies. Do you know what I mean? Like action movies that take themselves so ponderously seriously to start with this huge coral score to just let you know that the it's a fight between the angels and the devils. And I'm like, this is so stupid. I love it.

You're settling in. Remember when you got to settle in for a movie and the credits took a while, it's patience. That's what's nice about this before we get to the prison, is a phenomenal. I love this scene. Oh my God. It's incredible. But like, that's what's weird, though, is the nun music, as I'm calling it, doesn't, it doesn't prepare you for the juxtaposition of seeing Tommy Lee Jones with this long hair. I had to pause it. I was like, look at this man. And we're told this is Castle Glee Prison in Northern Ireland. Yeah. And he's about to tell Harry Potter about his parents. No, no, no. His buddy, his cellmate,

who is supposed to be leaving, escaping the prison with him, gets out of solitary and is being asked by all of his colleagues in the prison, hey, did you jerk off in there? To which I say, what else are you doing in solitary? Yeah, that's true. Come on now.

You've got to find ways to pass the time. When the dude gets shoved back into the cell, he tosses a nice pogmahone at the guard. kiss my ass. Love that. It's weird that we drop all of the pretending to speak any kind of like Celtic once we leave this prison. Like that's it. That's done with. Yeah, there's no Gaelic after that at all. Like, like, I'd wonder if it was like, it should have happened where like Lloyd Bridges is talking to that hot dog guy at the baseball stadium or

whatever. That other like secret Irish operative who's also covering up his accent. Like, you know, Jamel said it could be everywhere. Yep. You have no idea where these people are freaking me out. They might even be in my own family. You scratch someone and they bleed green and you know. You would never know in the Boston Red Sox Stadium

that there might be an Irish person. You just would never know. From Tommy Lee Jones' first line though, like this movie lets you know what's up as far as this performance because he's just like, his first line is something like, you like to fight.

And I was like, oh fuck. Nothing could have prepared. I was blown away by that accent reveal. Tommy Lee Jones, I mean, I feel like it's worth saying that these days we think of Tommy Lee Jones as like this very dignified actor, but he has this run a merely 90s where he's just playing these bad shit roles. Oh yeah.

He's in the package, Andrew Davis, the package and under siege. He's actually like an Andrew Davis like, you know, guy. Yeah. The package is him and Hackman. Is that the right movie? Right. It's him and Hackman.

And he plays like this, you know, former Special Forces guy slash assassin. And he's great in it and he's like playing it. He's playing it like he's Lee Harvey Oswald. We need Eric on here. And he's also totally nuts JFK as well. I mean, like that performance is like, longer's crazy. That's true. I forgot about that.

And under siege, he's like, you know, he's, he's that rock and roll terrorist. Oh, yeah. he's just doing all these crazy all these crazy performances so this is very much of a piece with like Tommy Lee Jones in the first half for the 90s yeah the maniac energy on him originally

was what it's funny that that is what like codified him originally like that stuff have you ever seen the eyes of Laura Mars great movie really good movie and he's got it there too and he's the nice guy in that and even there he's kind of creepy

well that's weird though So, like, what turned our, you know? It's the fugitive. It's the fugitive. It's the stiff upper lip. It's the one that he got known for. And he's fantastic in it. But, like, the fact that he is so dry and the fact that he delivers, I don't care in the way that he does.

As opposed to get the fuck out of there. Like, you know, whatever, whatever you're expecting. You're just saying, I don't care. It's like, oh, shit, this guy doesn't care. And that kind of became the prototype for a time of Lee Jones. That's like your volcano. that's that's you know even men in black absolutely he don't care about no aliens either authority figure finally he is an ultimate authority figure but it's interesting to watch him

like wrestle with this in the 90s because like the fugitive unless i'm getting my dates wrong the fugitive definitely came before batman forever oh yeah for sure so like this whole like seriousness thing is in play while he is also tap dancing around with jim kerry playing two face he's just an interesting guy man he's an interesting guy the Fugitive's 93 as well wow that's interesting wow so yeah I guess he came off of that you know

I wonder if he filmed this first yeah that would make some sense I think that sounds right he must have been just working though because there's a ton of stuff I mean JFK is around this is 92 and 93 something like that yeah yeah God yeah he was a busy man

you know him this was Oh, you got something, Steve? Oh, no, I had a question. I was going to ask, Jamel, at what point did you realize this movie was out of control and insane? I think, I think, I realize what, so this, in this prison scene, when he escapes by blowing things, I'm pulling out, like, some explosive liquid out of his mouth, like throwing it up and then creating a bomb and blowing it up. I was like, this is pretty crazy.

But I think it's when he kills the first cop, when I was just like, oh, okay. Yeah. This is that kind of movie. Him breaking out, though, and, like, vomiting up this condom with, like, whatever this liquid is, I do appreciate that this movie, this movie is, like, not getting bogged down in the believability about any of these devices.

It's just, like, trust us, this guy and Jeff Bridges are both really good at bomb stuff, and that's all you need to know. He's making a bomb right here. Do I know what's in that condom? Absolutely not. And the bomb stuff looks pretty cool. I got to say most when they when they do give you the shots there's not a lot

of talk about the bomb shit but whenever he's playing with like the the crystals on the coffee filter and stuff like that that sounds that seems correct that looks right yeah like I don't know if it is but that looked pretty cool and in this kind of a movie cool equals accurate

exactly it's like the visual equivalent of like some Star Trek gobbledy gook yep absolutely it's like oh that that's oh he's got a like an orange liquid in that condom later he's got some weird silver shit going on. And I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. It's all, uh, yeah, I think that's like mercury when he's got like the mouse trap device.

Yeah. I love how the bombs get increasingly Rube Goldberg. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. He is having fun making these bombs. We should say this movie is directed the, Stephen Hopkins directs the hell out of this movie. Oh, man. He really does.

Yep. Yep. Absolutely. He is also, uh, responsible for another movie. I watched a dozen times, uh, the ghosts and the darkness. Yep. which is also a thrill ride with Michael Douglas and Val Kilmer

Hunting Alliance. Yes. Oh God. Yeah. Okay. Previous episode Predator 2 and at some point, Judgment Night, which is another just great crazy dumb action movie. You know what's weird? He also directed a nobody talked about it remake of the

fugitive. Like two years ago. Oh, weird. What? With Boyd Holbrook and Kiefer Sutherland. And Kiefer Sutherland is in the Tommy Lee Jones role. Oh, the TV show. show. Yes, this TV show. Oh, okay. I thought it was a movie. Yeah, but even still, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty weird. Boyd Holbrook. Boyd Holbrook doing things. Yeah, he would just, yeah, he gets cast because he sounds like that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean,

him so Tommy Lee Jones, yeah, blows a hole in the wall and then, I mean, uses his dead cellmate's body and a mattress to shield. Like, he murders this dude pretty violently, which was crazy. And then, yeah, he pulls out this other makeshift thing and just lays waste to this cop, you know, prison guard or whatever. And I was like, holy shit. And the dude goes flying, like, off the railing. And I was like, oh, this movie got really interesting

in under three minutes. Well done. And then he's got like a Nicholas Cajun face off level swim in front of him. Yeah, he has. They don't show, of course, they don't show you exactly how he's getting from here to the mainland. Right. The next time we see him, of course, he's in a pub. but the thing you can't do

is like have a scene like this and like the crazy action that it is and the violence and everything and then just cut to this fucking big head Todd and the monster song come on what were you saying Steve sorry before I started talking about big head Todd

I was just curious so Tom Lee Jones's character escapes Ireland and goes to America to Boston specifically but not looking for Jeff Bridges it's one of those and all the jing joints and all the world situations?

Exactly. Who would have guessed? It was either Boston or New York. You know, that's where the Irish go. I would really do not think too much about the timeline on this movie. We're about to hit one where it's absolutely insane. But that was one where I was just like, he, yeah, like he gets out of there, gets a haircut. Because the next time we see him, he's got like a kind of buzzy cut, not much on top thing.

He's got Tommy Lee Jones. haircut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was kind of like struck by how quickly this thing moves. But actually, that's for the better because the pacing's good. Right. Yeah. So yeah, we are in Boston. We are at a child's birthday party and here struts in Jeff Bridges. Man, an early 90s, Jeff Bridges. I mean, he's still a handsome dude now, but my goodness. No, he looks incredible. He steps off that motorcycle and he just like, God damn. Absolutely. And it's like,

it's so cool because of course like it's the character but also of course Jeff Bridges I imagine IRL would be a hit at a child's birthday party and he doesn't miss a beat he gets into that backyard he's playing with the kids he's saying hi to everybody

he's playing pin the tail on the donkey just a huge hit one of the only lines this little girl has is like why isn't that guy my dad and I'm like you know what I would say the same thing he does have It's just unreal amount of on-screen charisma

Just sort of like It's just sort of He's just utterly magnetic I mean that that that girl's mom is just sort of like He's like I can give you piano lessons to the girl And his mom is like Yeah At your house

Oh wow She says that so sexily for some reason Because it is sort of like yeah Oh yeah you could get piano lessons at your house Ha ha But it's like yeah at your house And I'm like, what is happening right now? That Susie Amos just barks at her.

The great Susie Amos of, what do you call it there? Usual Suspects fame and not much else. No. Who is she in the usual suspects? She's the lady that gets, that is the girlfriend. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess I've seen her in two things.

I don't know. It was, she's fine. I don't think she's bad. But I just like scrolling through that IMD profile. She married James Cameron, and I think she kind of tired after that. I see. Got it. Which I guess you would do.

Yeah, well, just if you don't retire, you might accidentally find yourself in a fucking avatar movie and then there's trouble. Yeah, you're just a background blue person. Maybe that's just what you're doing with your time. That's also possible. Yeah, she's five, I'm looking at her height. Now she's five eight. She could be a blue person for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

That's a good blue person height. Why does the height of the actual person matter? They're all fucking cartoons. It just helps, dude. You're not going to get Danny DeVito as a Navi, my friend. It's not going to happen. Yeah, that would just be a little unbelievable, unless he's very small. We come in all sorts of sizes.

Now look at my tail. So, yeah, I mean, so this massive bad New England accent is just truly something. And it's flying right away. And this guy's name, well, they're calling him J.D. Jimmy, Jimmy Dove is the character. name. Kind of a great name. A great name, but a name you would definitely be like, hey, if you're trying to hide your

past and pretend that you're an actual, your name is, that's your real name? You don't go with Jimmy Dove. It's like James, you know, Duhan, or not Doohan, it's actually, Star Trek. I was like James Dorsey, James something, anything. How about Johnny Innocence? That sounds like a good name. That definitely keeps people away. Tommy Not a Terrorist is my name.

How's it gone? The problem, though. is like, you know, he flees, you know, Ireland because of all the troubles and he's hiding out, dude, you got to go to like Oklahoma and give yourself a Polish last name. Like, what are we doing driving to the fucking Irish capital of America and you're still calling yourself Jimmy? Come on now. They should really have like upped the religious aspect of it because like he is doing like penance by being on the Bob squad. Right. Because he used to be a, he helped Tommy Jones make bombs when he was in his younger days

when they were running with the the super duper IRA I think you're right I think you're right Chris what this movie really needed is to crank up the Irish stereotypes just like you have Guinness you have like you know lyrical Irish rhyme

make him super Catholic you know yeah and this the mad bombing is happening on St. Patrick's Day the busiest day in Boston yeah of course it is Irish Abel Ferraro is when I'm asking before here folks. Ooh, that might be something. So, you know, the funny games is cut short

because he gets a page. This pager sound, man, it went right up my spine. I guess if it's the bomb pager, you really got to make it loud. Because it's like, dude, there is a bomb somewhere. Stop everything. Yeah, this can't be drowned out by the Sundays and you two, please. I will say, I mean, I, you know, I'm sure the Boston and PD has a bomb squad, but this bomb squad seems awfully busy.

Yes, right? What? I feel like that you get these in these movies where it's like a movie about like a niche is the wrong word, but like a specialized part of a police force. It's kind of the same thing sort of with those SWAT movies where it's like the SWAT team

is awfully busy like for a week. And in these movies a SWAT team isn't busy is busy sort of like taking down drug king fits, but in reality the SWAT team is busy. I don't know, like, harassing harassing someone for having like, you know, a couple grams on them. Or and or some poor son of a bitch that played the wrong game of Call of Duty.

You know what I mean? Right, right. Yeah, yeah, they're busy fucking up a no-knock warrant or something. But this, I mean, this situation that Jeff Bridges finds himself in is straight out of another amazing bomber movie from the 90s, live wire with Pierce Brosnan. Because, like, this is a ridiculous situation. This is Live Wire after two cups of coffee. It's sobered up just a little bit. Not all the way.

Just enough to, like, maybe, like, the 10 miles home aren't going to be so bad now. Right. Because, I mean, Live Wire, that is like some science fiction shit. Exactly. With what's going on in that movie where they're drinking things and people are being turned into explosives. But, like, similarly at the start. in that movie, there's a silly thing where Pierce Brosnan is helping this woman who says there's

like a bomb in her car and he's like getting in the front seat. There's a lot of like, you know, between your legs jokes or whatever. And this is like there is a woman in a computer lab in Cambridge that is stuck to a computer having to type Love You repeatedly. If she stops, the bomb will go off. And you just hear like one of the people filling in Jeff Bridges like, yeah, her hacker boyfriend that's set this whole thing up, shot himself in the head after, and you're just like, wait, there's hackers involved now and blown away? Incredible. And it gets even weirder because for something, if the computer maxes out on megabytes, then that's like, it's not a timer because that's like what he's doing. He's trying to disarm the bomb. He's like, how many megabytes do we

have laughed? And I'm like, what? Dude, he's yelled, what are the bites? Oh my God. God bless early computers and early in these movies but you can just assume that no one knows anything right there's no prior knowledge

here's yeah yeah if you keep on typing the megabytes will fill up short this this motherfucker walks into this computer lab and starts doing the James Bond routine

with her like a dove Jimmy dove and if I'm this lady who is like what two minutes away from oblivion I'm like get the fuck I dare Just shut up and get down there

Enough with the yucks here I guess he's trying to put her at ease Chris But I kind of agree Also her ex-boyfriend who's obviously abusive It's lying dead next to her So I think she wouldn't be cackling Yeah no But yeah so he just sort of works diligently

I mean the funny thing is Just like in live wire though There's another like Excuse me I'm gonna have to get between your legs ma'am Just do it Do whatever you have to do Shut the fuck up, I'm going to die. And I do think what I like about this movie at the very least,

and it is overblown and crazy. So he diffuses the bomb, big hero guy, but he does, we're playing with PTSD stuff here. He's like throwing up in a hallway kind of a thing. Like, you know what I mean? He's not exactly this infallible super cop, even though he kind of is because he just happens to know which wire. It's always the red wire or whatever the hell it is.

You know, that kind of stuff. But he is still like kind of very haunted by his past. which is at least something. Oh, yeah. We start seeing his crispy crittered ex-girlfriend. We start seeing little images of her saying, Liam, help me, lame! And then that makes him vomit after he saves the Love You bomb.

The Love You Bomb, it's ridiculous. So, like, you know, he saves the day and everything. Not thrilled by this as one of his partners, Blanket played by Rubin Santiago Hudson and this guy rules he basically gets just a ton of administrative or like captain law enforcement type roles these

days does a lot of TV and stuff but like I'm sorry you have you name this character and now like all these adults have to keep saying hey what happened to blanket where's blanket and I'm just like man I don't know isn't that like the name of Michael Jackson's one of his

kids is blanket or something Like, what are we doing? I think these movies depend on you remembering those names. Sure. Lethal Weapon 2 does a similar thing because they're trying to kill off all of the team that are after them. Oh, yeah. It's similar, an explosive device in a, what's it called a diving board in that movie.

But like, you need to be, these movies count on you being able to recall who the character is. when they, like, you also remember Rita and Cortez. Yeah. And they give you, and these are, it's the 90s, so my God, we got the miracle casting here, where we have actors that you can actually remember and characters you can kind of remember, and you can connect

to those names very quickly. Like, I remember Cortez, I remember Rita, and they only have maybe a dozen lines between them. Yeah, this does a really good job, this movie of like, really sort of filling out tertiary characters who are nothing but fucking bomb meat at the end of the day. Absolutely.

Yeah, and also, I mean, like we were saying about the flashbacks, too. Similarly, unless I'm remembering wrong, like, Pierce Broson has a similar, like, beef with like a dead kid or something. Yes, but it's not bomb related, though, which is weird. I appreciate that Bridges PTSD in this movie is bomb related. I think Pierce Prousin's like, oh, my daughter drowned in a swimming pool or something. That sounds right, yes. That swimming pool should have blown up if you ask me. Yeah.

Set it on fire. Yep. Oh, exactly. Yeah. And he's, you know, he realizes he goes back to Susie Amos. They have a nice Italian dinner. And he's like, you know, I'm done with the bomb squad. I'm going to start teaching bomb squad at the community college.

You know, a couple of them. I'm going to do, we do bomb squad improv workshops as well. There's a lot of things you could do with that degree, is what I'm saying. They're going to hire me to teach bomb squad in 101 and 102. And she's like. It is kind of great because she's like, no, you're a bomb squad guy. I'd rather my boyfriend to go out and nearly die every day. And he's like, isn't this better probably be quitting doing that?

He's like, I don't want you to regret leaving what you love. And he's like, I disarm bombs. And she says this after he's like, I'm throwing up after every job. And I'm, you know, like if that's, if you're getting physically ill, man, like, yeah, let's throw in the towel. This is, we are also missing the scene where Tommy Jones is indeed back in the States. And he is in a bar, O'Dowell's, which we will return to soon. And he is about to pay for three shots of whiskey when he sees his old friend, Jeff Bridges on the TV, from doing all this, saving the MIT student.

Right. And this is a pretty good, I got to say, if you want to get out of paying for a drink, this is pretty good. What's that? Yeah. Just it's being like, oh, that guy on the TV, that's my nemesis. Slowly pacing towards it and like, hey, hey, you didn't drink the, hey, did you pay for the, oh, I never mind.

Somebody needs a drink. I got to say, during the scene, I did get a little mixed up on the timeline because I was like, is he still in Ireland? Like, is he just like showing American local TV in Ireland? That seems pretty unusual. Well, that's not half as bad as, so. he he proposes to Susie Abis and I'm not

I'm not kidding you. It's one other scene and then the wedding. Oh yeah. Yep. It's like there's no like three months later even. It's like no just yeah. We were able to book it all in one night. We got it. We got it all done. Don't worry. The catering to.

And yeah, it's and the other scene is him meeting Lloyd Bridges who plays his uncle in this movie and it's like what are we doing folks? Like it's so confusing they look exactly like it's obviously his father but for whatever reason in this movie they're their uncle and nephew and he's Irish and he knows uh I don't know if I you know he was part of the IRA too and they came over on the same boat or something but again you never know

who who's the I mean honestly I could have been in the IRA you don't know that's that's the scariest part about everything it seems to be a thing where it's like the two of them because you unless I'm I was like watching this wrong you don't know that Lloyd Bridges knows the score until later in the movie, like about Jeff Bridges and everything? Or does he know? I think he says something like, oh, you know, I'm looking for absolution. It's like, you're never going to

get it or something like that. So he knows he kind of knows what his deal is, I think. Yeah. But it's like we're just kind of not openly talking about it or something. Yeah, I think they probably didn't make it his dad because then his demise might be a little too sad. Yeah, that's a good

point. And I also like it's amazing. Most of what Lloyd Bridges is doing in this movie. He's been like, oh, Jimmy, make sure you can fuck tonight. Yes. Hey, Jimmy, make sure you're drunk enough to fuck tonight. It's very important that you put your penis in your wife's vagina. I mean, this is a very sexy wedding. It's an Irish wedding for sure, because we're doing the step dancing and all this stuff, but it is about like these two middle age people are going to have sex after this wedding. Isn't that amazing? And the whole room is thinking it. Every last one of them is thinking it. It's a

incredible. And honestly, that's what I'm missing so much for movies is this vibe. Yes. I forget who was just talking. I think Soderberg just did an interview where he's like, what's my problem with these movies? Nobody's fucking. And like, when it's Susie Abis is like, Lloyd Bridges is doing a toast. It's Susie Abis is like, he makes some joke about his dick. Yeah. Fucking Susie Amis is like, don't you make fun of his dick. I'm going to suck that thing tonight. Shut up. It's like, she's like, don't. She's like, I'm going to take care of him. Don't you are. I'm going to fuck the shit out of him. I really thought when Lloyd Bridges was making that wedding speech that he was going to vomit off that balcony. I really, really thought that that was going to happen, man. I love Tommy Lee Jones expression when he notices or like is able to confirm that it's Jeff Bridges on the TV because this accent is going out of control. And he's like, jumps dove. Yes. Just screaming.

It's so, I don't know, man. I didn't look in the credits, but it truly feels like there was no dialect coach on this at all. No. And just do it. You come as you are. Do what you want to do. And it's fantastic because this is what we are also introduced to the great Forrest Whitaker in one of his like mid-90s. I'm in this movie too, God damn it things.

Because that's what he, like, they didn't necessarily know what to do with him. It was before he had like real gravitas. I mean, he had gravitas, but they didn't really treat him with gravitas. So he would always be in like this species. He's always like part of the team. And he's always the most interesting one and you can't take your eyes off him. this one he starts by dancing incredibly and I'm like this guy

you want to talk about who's getting laid tonight it's Forrest fucking Whitaker Absolutely man It's funny that he does like He wasn't he was never like as nefarious As Tim Lee Jones was in his But it was the same thing where when he was younger He was known for his energy

Like he did this and like Fast Times of Richmond high I've tried there's another one though The color of night is my favorite The color of money is my favorite Oh man Yeah when he just schools Paul Newman

and Paul Newman has to weep about it after losing all of his money to this kid one of my favorites I mean there was so many he was so many he was oh stakeout

he's really good in stakeout but like yeah like he just went from like Jones he turned to Gravitas suddenly and he became an authority figure yes

but he is good here he's massive I mean that's the thing like his one of his great asses it's just he's just like a giant fucking guy

and he can use that really well to communicate authority and also sort of like an almost bullying energy about it. Bullying energy is a really great descriptor here specifically I think, Jamel, because like he like announces

himself to this movie with the dancing and everything and like we learn that he is like replacing Jeff Bridges on the bomb squad which is also it's such a weird like we invited your job replacement to your wedding reception kind of weird.

He's crashing. Oh is it crashing? Yeah, he's crashing. He makes a big deal about it. He's crashing. oh okay I miss that but even better then because it's just like yeah I'm at your fucking wedding Jeff Bridges here I am I am taking your job pay attention to me and then like sure enough he is the only one that is fucking onto these shenanigans from the jump yes and he's just so great I just love how whatever especially in this early part of the movie with it whenever he's talking to Jeff Bridges he's like doing his blinking and then sort of like whispering thing like yeah yeah yeah and he always seems like he's on the verge of being like yeah you can you can eat my ass Asperges. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Definitely.

And like, he plays it. It's like cocky, but you're right. Like, he just does not give a shit about this old man. There's, there's this line of, I think it's blanket who, I think it's blanket and Rita. There's these line of little like things, jokes they make about Fortis Whitaker that I did not understand. One was who is he?

Oh, that's Clarence Thomas's acting coach. I don't know what that means. Yeah, I don't know what that means either. The other one was hung up. like a China mule. I'm like, what the fuck do do I not know about mules in China? Just say hung like a mule. Like, I get, that I get.

What the fuck? I guess I'd just make it like a little bit racist because it's Boston. Sure. Yeah, I guess. You ought to spice that in there, dude. I mean, I don't know, though. Like, why would you miss a great opportunity for alliteration that he's hung like a horse?

Yeah, that's fine. The H to the age is, I don't know. You were overthinking a mule. You didn't want to be normal. You went too far. I do like that he's like Because the character's name is Anthony Franklin And he's like

Bridges you know is like Oh yeah welcome to my wedding reception there Tony And he's like Anthony My name is Anthony motherfucker That is what you're gonna call me Through the rest of the time I am at your fucking wedding reception You know what this reminded me of

This is totally random I remember me when I was a kid and someone called My dad's name is James Something called my dad Jim and my dad gave this person like be I'm going to murder you like I promise you I'll kill your entire family for probably Jim again

it's a thing man if somebody here's here's the rule somebody introduces themselves as such and you have a full year and totally you're allowed to shorten that name like once you really get to get to know that person maybe you want to play around short in that name other than that no

you're totally right dude it's just so presumptuous and annoying casual about it. So, of course, what happens? We're trying to have this wedding reception and, uh-oh, those beepers are going off again. Bomb squad needed once again in the city of Boston.

Yeah, it is kind of a situation like Hannibal, a TV show where it just happens to be that everybody is a serial killer. A very unique stylistic serial killer within like a 50 mile block radius of Baltimore. What was... It's like John Wick. Everyone's either

a bomb squad member or a bomber. Totally. And they go to the Bob Squad Hotel and exchange your de Bludes. Oh, dude, if it's just like Jeff Bridges going into this fucking bank vault and Lance Reddick and showing him all these cool

bombs, I'd be down for it. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm back. Welcome to Yosemite Sam's. Oh, my God. Yes, I want this now. I want this movie. Oh, yeah, right this way. Come with me, Jimmy, to the bomb vault. I love, also, what was Tommy Lee Jones's plan for America?

Was he just going to lay low and like teach, you know what I mean? Like teach poetry or something. And then he saw, he sees Jeff Bridges on TV and he gets the kill bill noise in his brain kind of a thing. That's why the whole like accidental running into him on TV is just so weird. I mean, it should just be he knows that Jeff Bridges is there. And that's why he's going to exact revenge. And I don't think that this movie has a runtime problem necessarily. It's two hours long.

But it does have a problem of paying off Jeff Bridges and Tommy Lee Jones together. Because it takes them, it takes the movie 50 minutes for them to do the phone thing that we want them to do because it's a 90s action movie. I want that a lot earlier and a lot more often. There's just not a lot of interplay between the two of them. Yeah, that's true. I didn't even think about that. But they are, they're separated so much throughout this movie. Yeah, you're totally right.

because, I mean, so much of it is Jeff Bridges, like, cold on the trail of Tommy Lee Jones, I guess. But so, yeah, the beepers go off and we got to go. And Jeff Bridges is doing like the, oh, okay, now I guess I'm staying behind now. And they, dude, famous last words, blanket can handle it.

Yeah, is what they tell. I'm like, no, Jimmy, don't leave your own wedding reception. Blankets got it under control. And so they all roll out. And we get like a little, there's almost a little bit of a hotel sex here. on our wedding night, but we cut away. But you know, this was the Soderberg's point, right?

It's like you don't expressly need like a gratuitous sex scene, but you know those two characters are getting down. Absolutely. You just have to act like somebody's horny. That's it. It's not crazy. Do you think somebody was surprised that Soderberg was so into sex in movies? Well, you know what his first movie is called, right?

It's the first one! Good point. so he wakes up in the middle of the night deaf post-coital and he's just like worried about the team nobody's checked in yet so he calls this hotel room by the way gorgeous balcony he's bringing the phone out here

they're at the four seasons specifically yeah gorgeous shit and boy this is it's a fucking cool I like the way that they set all this up it's like he calls in they haven't heard back from the team yet but don't worry blanket can handle it and Jeff Bridges just sees this mushroom

cloud on the other side of town. Holy shit. Well, mind you, when he makes his phone call, Cortez, of course, because it's somebody in this movie reminds him, make sure you fuck your wife. That's right. Did he advice? I can help you out. I have my tits. I'm poinders.

I can do it. I have hips, you know? You know, I'm like 39 years old, right? And she's already had a kid. Like, we're good. We figured it out. We know what's going on. They do such a cool. I mean, it's maybe reads a little cheesy, but I was so into this movie, I thought it was awesome. Like, when that bomb goes off, you see the explosion, like superimposed in Jeff Bridges' eyes.

Yes. This movie rocks, man. I'm sorry. That's dumb, but it's totally awesome. But it's very urgent. And nobody, like, the thing with, like, I could go on for hours about what I like about Bridges. But, like, one thing he did really good at this point in his career was he looked good, screaming and urgent and can. you're totally right

this and Arlington Road are completely floated by the fact that he can do this kind of acting for a long time he is screaming up and down Arlington Road up and down that movie he's yelling insane movie that will be talked about

in this program at some point oh absolutely and probably on Jemales as well yeah that's definitely Tim Robbins is like a domestic terrorist in that yes yeah that's some real I don't know Eric would name one

Turner Diaries kind of guy No, you know, that Susan Sarandon got in his ear and he became a domestic terrorist. That's what happened. Oh, yeah. She's always up to something. If Susan Sarandon, like, circa 93 was like whispering, you know, radicalization of my ear, I would, you know, I would. I would, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'd turn on this flag in two seconds.

Great point. I love also, like, you know, this movie, they do, I looked up some stuff that they obviously, they did talk to a lot of people from, the Boston Bomb Squad for it, et cetera, et cetera. At what point in the Bomb Squad experience is like, I don't know, just shoot it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like what steps need to be crossed off? Like we tried everything. Just give it, just shoot at it for a bit. Well, that'll get rid of it. Look, it's way up high. Do you see how high it is? I don't know how else you're going to get it down except shoot it. That's one of those scenes like in bomb school where like all the smart kids are trying

all these like, ah, you take off this one. And then rerout it to this thing. And then like the dumb guy up front is like, shoot at it. Correct. Correct you are, Dudley. And man, if there was ever a case for like a good Samaritan to report something they heard near a crime scene to the police department, it's when Tommy Lee Jones, very close to the blast site just goes, and on your wedding day, Liam. And there is this dude standing in front of Tommy Lee Jones that gives a side eye look that can only say, I wonder if that guy had something to do with it.

That does absolutely nothing. The way I read that scene is that Tommy Lee Jones thought that was Liam. And then it was like, oh, oh, wrong guy. Oh, that's a great point because that is like goal number one is assassinate bridges. And I guess he just doesn't know about the retirement. And then he's like, oh, I guess I'm going to do a systematic assassination. of this whole Bob Squad team instead. Oh, man, it is awesome.

We get Blankets Funeral Reception. There's a woman beautifully singing in the house, which was cool. These kinds of like, you know, we're all getting together to mourn somebody, but we're also like getting wasted and watching baseball. Those are like the best kinds of post-funeral receptions.

Here's the thing. And, you know, you want to get wasted. You're a bunch of cops. makes total sense. Let's save the baseball game for another time. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's, I mean, like,

I love the New York Knicks, man. And I would be pretty offended if you guys watched the Nick game while, during my funeral. Yeah, after such a violent act, too, I might just feel a little bit of, I mean, they show, it is kind of affecting that they show his body.

Oh, yeah. When they show his face with the, the eight ball hemorrhage. Like, it is really haunting. Like, know that it's not just you just go get burned up and crispy critter and that's it. Totally. Something like this

happens and like then to go as you say and have to watch the Red Sox pitch one out. And Lloyd Bridges going on about the spread and how good it is. I mean they're treating this like a like a cookout. Yeah. No, totally. Like in those kind

of situations it's like oh everything was very lovely. You know I think Blanket would have really appreciated this. Not just like oh man. Did you have that dip it's like french onion but they put like dillanators it's outrageous oh my god the roast beef

come on what are you swinging and everything for I'm terribly sorry for you're lost by the way Paulie are you going over to the carving station I need more roast bean I'm impressed they shout out for the Sam Adams could you ask the bereaved if we could get some more

salami out here I, you know, the poor widow blanket, man. Yeah. And it's bother. I mean, like, why don't we get a couple cutaways to them just being like, what are these people doing? Can we get all these asshole cops out of the house, please? But this is when Bridges wants to get back on the force because he wants to solve this crime because you realize

this is something, something they're dealing with a professional. You know, it's the 90s. He's fucking being his shithead about it, though. Dude, he's throwing Forrest Whitaker under the bus right here. He's like, oh yeah, well, you know, Tony's not ready or whatever. And it's like, man, you're retired, dude. Let's, come on, come on.

But the man, the craziest thing, though, I mean, this was a real, you know, I'm glad I never have to speak with children. Because like, the daughter is, like, I guess the stepdaughter or whatever is like, oh, you know, Jimmy, did it hurt Blanket when he died? And I'm like, yikes, man, you know, and he's like, no, no, it didn't. And you're like, I don't know, man. I saw that body and you're about to explain to me in the next scene how he died. That dude definitely felt it.

Don't worry about it. Well, no, he's just saying that. And then cross his figures, hope that's not a serial killer just made there. I really hoping I didn't make a serial killer there. I mean, I'll say kids who do just ask that stuff. Like, we live right by a cemetery and my toddlers always like, what are those putting it in the head? You know. Rock Farm.

it was pretty rad getting this early on Cuba Gooding Jr. Cameo here. I, when it happened, I forgot it happened. I was like, oh shit, Cuba Good and Jr.

is in this movie. And then I was like, oh, wait, no, he's not. I had the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh, wait, it's 1994. He's just kind of going to be

in this one scene, isn't it? But yeah, he and Forrest Whitaker kind of like horsing off and Jeff Bridges bomb class that he's teaching. And I guess like, Bridges must have really

said something to that captain because all of a sudden now Forrest Whitaker's got to go back to take these classes? That's fucked up. Well, he seems to have a lot of authority in the place and he's having a big Mr. Hands moment here because they are goofing off and he wants him to tell him how to disarm

a bouncing Betty. And you get a sense with the Puebican Jr. I get the feeling like they just cast him because he looked good and they noticed how good he was because there's like, you notice when Forrest steps on this, it's like a mine

that levitates when you when you step off of it and explodes. When this, when this is happening, they hold on Cuba Gooding Jr. leave, like he does a whole little scene when he's leaving. And I'm like, wow. I mean, it really, you could see he's a star immediately.

Totally, dude. And you know, who knew? Just a few short years later, he'd be in that Robert De Niro, racist Navy man movie. Oh, man of honor. Yeah, there it is. saw that in theaters. Never did. Yeah, but it's like this thing where Forrest Whitaker steps on a mine

and, you know, he gets sprayed with like red paint and Tom Lee Jones is posing as a janitor. Like, I kind of want the scene where he actually has to clean that entire room though. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yes, you are, you're posing as a janitor, you get to put the

bomb in the bomb squad robot, but you would have cleaned that fucking room, dude. Somebody's going to get that done. and I guess like this Boston bomb squad school or whatever is like totally fine hiring a dude with no papers like sure like that's what I need and I mean it doesn't matter because again this is like a you know fast pace mad bomber movie but I was like really Tommy Jones like just getting a job here instantly at the exact school

you need to be in and your janitorial route takes you exactly to the classroom you need to be at or I guess maybe he just showed up with a broom and just hope for the best. Nobody's going to say, hey, get out of here. That tight 90s labor market. He just kind of showed up. I'm willing to work. You're welcome, baby.

Yeah, so that he, Tommy Lee Jones goes out. And this is, I guess, like, we're seeing his motivation for Rube Goldberg type devices because he's buying this like Rube Goldberg type toy off this kid. I missed the set up here. Is this like a yard sale or some shit?

It's like a farmer's market. It's like a farmer's market more like it. Yeah, because they're selling, Susie Amos is selling cupcakes with her kid at the end of it. But yeah, this is where he gets a mouse track, like a little ball bearing goes down the loop through the thing kind of thing. Those toys. A little toy thing.

And then he also is told by this mother, have you heard of you too? Oh, God. And he finally, he gets the Joshua tree, which everybody loved at the time and couldn't get enough of. My question is, if he were to survive this movie, do you think you would have been disappointed by YouTube's later output

or just kind of been one of those like Uber fans? It's like, no, no. Well, no, because he'd be a human being with ears, so of course he would hate it. They put their bleed now, I'm right on my phone. Yes. You hear that? He'd be pissed off about that for sure.

God damn. I got to say, I have never willingly listened to a YouTube song. Like, it's never happened. Like, I've never, I've never gone on your Apple music or Spotify or whatever. Like, sort of sought out you to and listen to a song. And I intend to keep it that way. It's going to be one of those things.

Keep the streak alive. I will be on my deathbed. And I'll say, never listen to you too. I didn't give a fuck about Bono. And then also I love Tommy Lee Jones, like, tourist videographer. Which, like, he's not. I figured at some point there was going to be some tape that was like mailed to Jeff Bridges or something like that

where it's like I've been watching you this whole time like what is the purpose of all the video surveillance I mean I guess it's just to get close enough to figure out because he also does it to you like Forrest Whitaker etc I think he's just trying to find their find their habits and find their you know weaknesses kind of a thing but I think like he was also just like any man at this time who just loved having a video camera And, like, was really obsessed with having and taping everything. Because remember, he does send little terrorist tapes, little sketches and skits. I don't know what that is.

What, what? Just, what is that tape? It's a real. It's like, I, if you're Lord Michael's, look at what I could do. Yeah, totally. Speaking of Saturday Live, man, you're absolutely right. I got all these characters. I went to the Dollar General and I found a whole wardrobe for myself.

he's doing like bits with like masks on he's wearing like a statue of liberty mask at some point and again like credit tommily jones he's just doing it you know what i mean like because it's embarrassing to do it but it's he's doing it he's doing it and he's thinking about the fucking apartment he's building over the garage exactly and you imagine it in the behind the seats he's talking to see if i'm going to be like now i'm wearing a mask during those tapes I will do a lot but I'm not doing that thing with my bare face on that

absolutely not so Bridges goes back to the side of the bomb that they shot gunned and got blanket killed and he's trying to figure out what's going on and is this also

yeah because he has Forrest Whitaker here with him too and they're trying to figure it out and he realizes that like what happened was the bomb was rigged so that a projectile ricocheted off one

thing and bounced in and hit blanket, you know, at just the right angle because blanket was like kind of hidden by something. And Bridges realizes, oh, the person who set the bomb knew that blanket would stand here to shoot and deactivate it.

And he set this whole thing up. We are dealing with way beyond what we thought like this is a true pro. Kind of really makes me feel like this guy I learned to make bombs by Force Whittaker's like, what's that, Jeff bridges, oh nothing. Oh, nothing. Oh, by the way, there's another bomb because there's a bomb every day in Boston now. Well, now, yes. And this is a, this is great because it's all about the robot who we, who fucks, the robot fucks up the first one with the computer. And they're like, you know, this robot stinks. And like this time the robot saves the day. But the robot has been, uh, co-opted by Tommy Lee Jones. And now it's, he's trading against his friends. You know, the robot's got like tears at his eyes.

Before he explodes and he kills Cortez. I would love that if Tommy Lee Jones has to like, the robot's at a bar and Timothy Jones side is up to him. Exactly. Oh, yeah. You work for the bomb squad, do you? How are they treating you over there? Oh, yeah.

They give you good pay, do they? They give you enough oil. If you're buying, I'm drinking. And you just slip something into his drink. No, get away. I am not in control of my own motherboard. Cortez, I love you. Get far away. Do you think the robots on bomb squad teams retire the way K-9 dogs do?

I hope so. You get thrown in the garbage? Well, sure, but before that, there's like a little bit of a ceremony or something. Like, you know, the bomb 5,000, you know, six-year veteran of the fours. There's some like retiree, like, captain who's like taking one of the bomb disposal fucking robots and turned it into like a beer grabbing robot. Oh, definitely, dude.

The other refrigerator you have in the garage to get you a Heineken. This is not how I envisioned my golden years. So the captain like refuses again to let him back on, you know, the squad officially. And then

this is like, we're packing up, you know, from the scene or whatever. And like, Jeff Bridges, what does he do? He looks at like a piece of Plato and it's got an imprint of a logo that's on the robot and that's how he pieces together. There's another bomb in the robot or something. Manfred. Yeah, the name of the, he's got the name. It's called Manfred. And there is this beautiful like a 90 second slow motion Jeff Bridges running the house crowd. Eyes ablaze screaming Cortez Rita and trying.

as best he can to warn these helicopters to leave. Like, what are you doing? Leave your energy for running to your buddies. Don't be trying to communicate with the birds. You say 90 seconds, it felt like 20 minutes for him. He is screaming.

Everyone is getting in this guy's way. Every single person. What is he saying? What's that? What do you mean? Who's Rita? It looks like there are cops that are actively trying to stop him. which is weird.

And you got to be like, use more words than Jeff Bridge is like, there is a bomb in the robot. You know, get out of my way, officer fucking Han-a-hand or whatever. I mean, I just like how Cortez is like, oh, I wonder what that's about. I guess I'll keep doing what I was doing.

Oh, yeah, oh, totally. There's this like, he's about to turn a key and we realize because we're doing a close-up on the hand touching the key that this will indeed activate this bomb. This movie is very good about telegraphing that stuff but keeping it very tense

I love it but yeah Jamel he's totally like what's that I thought I heard something well anyway about unlocking this box but that's a slight that's a slight indictment

of the media there because he turns around and for some reason doesn't see Jeff Bridges wailing his arms or I think he's distracted by the news helicopters yes

he looks up and he's like never mind robot turns a key one of the whirly birds up there got it never mind in this this explosion this is the you see rita and cortez fucking get it oh yeah yeah we got some grade a dummy work happening here my friends and it's oh god i'm all about it's they are incinerated it is glorious it's the 90s difference right jabel because it's like now it would just you just see the big explosion you're like oh wow those people got it no no no no no to see there's there's there just there just

just a husk of a dummy move from one end to the other get blown away. I'm like, now I'm watching a movie from 1994 and I'm really happy to do it. Yep. Yeah, I don't, I mean, like, I can't recall the last time I watched a movie that so went above and beyond living up to its title. People are getting blown away. I mean, you are just looking like, Jesus Christ, one explosion bigger than the next, or bigger than the last, rather, you know what I mean?

Incredible stuff. And you don't even get time to take in the, all the dead bodies before you hear the phone call and like, like, it sounds like an anthem of an independent Ireland or something like that. I don't know what this song is that's being blared over the phone. I don't know what it's time. It's Tommy Lee Jones doing his Joker moment here. What is the deal though? Like, whose phone is this? Like how did that not?

get destroyed in the blast? Is it Jeff Bridges' phone? I didn't understand where this telephone came from. You know what? The villain needs to talk to the good guy. That's right. It's okay. Well, no matter what, it's just okay. Did I catch out a bad time, Liam?

Oh, man. And I'd be like, who is this? I mean, I know, like, you know, he's your your archegesis from long ago, but it would take me a really long time, especially what with the bomb going off. I'm like, what? No. No. No, it's Jimmy. My fucking ears are still bleeding.

I can't talk on the phone right now. Tommy Lee Jones. Are you kidding me? And this, because I saw this movie as a kid, it was just, it was a real like at my dad's house, kind of a movie, obviously, because it's a day for noon in a half. And this side I remember really clearly because it's him taunting him. And he said the daughter's room. And the next 20 minutes is this incredible sequence. because he just taunts him on the phone and he's like you know blah blah blah oh i got to go your wife and daughter are home and he you know he jumps on the motorcycle more jeff bridges yelling and this is

like susy amos going around this house like when is she going to blow up and we do and the movie does such a great job of like sucking you in that way because there's so much like impossible zooms going on to the little girls using the stove it's fantastic it's so it's so smart and like it starts immediately with like you hear Kate say you know did you leave the window open and I was like oh fuck oh fuck here we go

and like everything is making you shit your pants like they have a really great you wonder the choice of angle at first but there's this like high angle shot looking down at them in the kitchen and then you realize like what is in the foreground this light bulb and she's like reaching for the string and you're like oh fuck

oh fuck oh fuck and then nothing you know and then it's like the close up on her dialing the phone and oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck the garlic bread in the oven oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck and it's so it's a movie that knows that you've seen movies and is using that against you

and like to have that kind of like respect for the audience man especially in just like an off the rails action movie like this bravo bravo for putting the thought into it it works really well i remember this sequence like from the first time I saw it I was like holy fucking shit I do kind of wish you just

got one like normal quotidian thing like she changes the water in the vase. It's like there's something you got to take the back of the toilet off and check the little thing and make sure it's actually filling up again, you know, just the middle of almost dying. What I would love is at the end

of the scene when they're about to have, they're actually having dinner the little girl finally takes a bite of garlic bread and like then she explodes like the garlic bread. The garlic bread was wired to blow the entire time somehow. Simchian makes a garlic bread now,

a macho man comes out. Don't bite down! Here's the thing, because we've seen somebody of these cops get killed in quick succession, it does really feel like that, like, this kid could get it. Oh, absolutely. It's on the table. Absolutely. I mean, I think

that's the thing, right? As soon as you see, like, that prison guard at the beginning get fucking totally destroyed with that you know, little incendiary device there or whatever, you know all bets are off in this movie. Anything is possible. And yeah, when we get into like gleefully killing cops, anything, anything is possible. Everyone's a target in this movie.

And Jeff Bridges comes home and rushes them out and he looks at the closet. And he believes that Tom Milly Jones killed the dog, but the dog could have committed suicide. We're not sure. I mean, I want a coroner's report. The dog could have been depressed. Who knows? It's too much tension. You and this bomber.

It's just too much. I gotta get out of here. And it's my favorite Jeff Bridges line because he finally has to, he's like, burying the dog. And Susie Ames is like, oh my God, this is so terrible. And he has to come clean.

Like, you know, I'm not who you think I am. And he's like, it's this guy or Gary Garrett. He killed my fucking dog. And it's like, yeah, it's just like, I don't know. The way he says it is so Jeff Bridges, it makes me, it filled my heart with love. I mean, because like, it's such a,

I don't know. Like, it's like you could also just as easily hear him saying like they pissed on my fucking rug it's just it's the same he killed my fucking dog he peed on my rug because it's all too much

I mean what is he could he can't like it's it's way too much at this way he's he's almost revealed to be this fucking convict and then his two best friends just died so like this is just the topper like this is just the thing that fucking tip it all over

what a week and she's very supportive of his IRA past I feel like my wife wouldn't be so much so if I was like oh yeah by the way I know we just got married and you know the night before we got married you're like is there anything else you want to tell me and I said nope and what I was sitting on was a different name and a couple of murders Stephen I love you very much but if if you looked like a 94

Jeff Rogers I'd be allowing whatever your IRA whatever the bad things you did that's fine. It's a good point. Yeah, that's a good call. You think in 1994 John Goodman would get away with this story? I doubt it. I really doubt it. But yeah, he says his name is Liam McGivney. He was born and raised in Belfast. And then this is the part where he's talking because he's telling her about Tom Lee Jones. And she's like, oh, the IRA. And he's like, no, no, he's too crazy for that. He's in the Super Dupor. The IRA League. Nobody knows about it. It's underground. Dude, and then this is where he's he's also screaming at Lloyd Bridges

like in the very next scene because Lloyd Bridges is like oh you know I'll make a few calls or whatever and he's just like I don't want you getting involved yeah screaming at your own father

in a movie that wasn't been kind of cathartic for him well I mean also in this moment you're like oh so he's dead okay oh yeah there he goes okay because you know he's going to get involved yeah yeah exactly but the bit of advice

that Lloyd Bridges does give to him is he's like all right you know, don't tell your squad everything about you. Like, you just need to tell them, like, what they need to know, but don't give up the whole story. And he's like, got it. And that's what he's like, yeah, so I dialed

Interpol, the number of which I memorized. My best friends at Interpol told me that he's, he comes from Ireland and I don't know him. Just in case you were wondering. but it's like he says this about Interpol and you look like Forrest Whitaker like

the fucking bullshit alarm is going off immediately like you are already on thin ice with this bad story Jeff Bridges Jeff Bridges who has sent Susie Amos and Lizzie to Max Lloyd Bridges has a cottage

in Cape Cod on the beach what the fuck was Max doing before this? He's a retired Boston cop he probably has a a great pension. Oh, man, yeah. Well, also a couple, you know, a couple bribes, you know.

Yeah, totally. Not to mention all the fucking, you know, under the table pension. And, I mean, he's got this crazy hot tub situation, which we should talk about a little bit. This little fucking cesspool he's got here. Ew. And also this movie is very, like,

I mean, because it's obviously filmed in the summer or the early spring. I said, no, yeah, because it's Fourth of July. And it makes Boston look like a tropical location. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it is so hot in Boston. It's a very odd look for Boston from my recollection.

But what's weird, though, is like you're looking at Lloyd Bridges trying to get this hot tub churning in multiple scenes. And, like, it's him in this yard. You know, they live somewhere in Boston. I don't know exactly where it's no, you know, grand palatial estate. They're just living in, like, middle class houses or whatever. And Lloyd Bridges has this hot tub. but then it's like you're looking at a hot tub but it's also just the disgusting

New England gray sky and you're like I don't know Lloyd Bridges this isn't hot tub weather at all no if you're wasted it is though by the way well of course I mean then it's always the time for a hot tub but like I think it's just because he's like

he's always sweating so this movie feels hotter than it even should be at this point right well because he's running around screaming at everybody and everybody and this is around the time when the headphone bomb Yeah, I was just about to say

I think this is where we're at the Forrest Whitaker goes to put on some Aretha and there's a I mean this is like the most ridiculous bomb in my opinion just sort of like it's it's sort of you know

it is the bomb in the garlic bread moment right like it's just Yes I was actually I was like when you show Tommy Lee Jones making this bomb he's using contact solution or contact case, like an old school contact case

with the L and the R and I was like, if he puts a bomb in someone's contact it was in play because I hadn't seen this for a while. I'm like, is there a bomb in someone's context? But you're right, Jamel. This is as crazy as that. I mean, you do that, dude.

You're the greatest bomb maker of all time. But yes, it's like, oh, as he puts it on, he hears a beeping. And it's so, like, yeah, it's, I was cackling. and thankfully he had this enormous office phone in his house that he was able to auto dial with. Well, that's the thing.

This is a lesson to anybody who's moving to a new place. As soon as you get in, program your old office phone and make sure you can one touch dial your fucking office, especially if your bomb disposal. Yeah, everyone makes sure you can one touch dial the bomb squad. It's incredibly important. It's really, we had this one instant.

I'm not going to get into it, but boy, howdy, was it important? Well, that's like, you know, we had the, you know, the phones where they gave you a space for, like, you know, the fire department and poison control. There should have been one with just like a little explosion cartoon, and that's your speed dial for the bomb squad. Well, if you're in Boston at this point, absolutely, if it's happening once a day that there's a bomb going off. That's a very fair point.

In this Boston where bombs are ubiquitous, wherever where you turn, there is a bomb. then yeah, they're giving out bomb squad numbers when you like rents a apartment. Hey, this is your supervisor. This is where you can go to get a great slice. And this is the bomb squad. You want to keep this one close.

You'll need it. Trust me. The bomb squad has a rivalry with the police and the fucking firemen. Yes. Yeah, they're all playing each other in hockey and shit. Yeah, exactly. We hate the fucking bomb squad. Well, I guess, yeah, so if the fire, if the police are the finest, the firemen of the bravest, what's the bomb squad? Crazyest? Is that?

Yeah, it's got to be the craziest. The literally the craziest people that could ever live. I love Tommy Lee Jones here. See, it's right before, so I'm not backing us up too much, but it's right before the headphones are sort of turned on or activated or whatever. Forrest Whitaker is doing some exercise outside, like he's running up these stairs or whatever. Tommy Lee Jones again this little shutterbug He's got this fucking camcorder Filming Forres Whitaker exercising While wearing this like Jesus and the

And the mother Madonna fucking party shirt What is this? He might as well be wearing a shirt that says too crazy For the IRA Like literally that is the shirt he should be wearing This outfit would get him so late in Brooklyn today Oh yep

This outfit he's got going on This cap and this shirt And the camera the Shutterbug thing would help him, I think. And so he's, it's Jeff Bridges and this other guy show up. This other guy's in a couple of seats. He's just another member of the Bomb Squad.

Obama, you know who this dude is? No, I do not. I mean, he's not really a huge guy, but he is Jeff Bridges' like go-to stunt double or stand-in or whatever. That's pretty cool. So he's, I guess, done a bunch of movies with Jeff Bridges. That's funny because that you say is a nothing, Steve,

but like the whole point in every time, he shows up is for him to be like, hey, don't worry, Jeff Bridges will take care of it. Yes. Like, he's in, when they go to the MIT, the MIT lady at the beginning, he's there and they're like, don't smoke a cigarette while you're near a bomb,

and then Jeff Bridges lights a cigarette and goes and diffuses the bomb. Yep. It's fucking incredible. It's a real watch me moment. And he does the same thing here, where the astrology wife thing, the wife and the woofer. Yeah, because he's like, oh, my wife

said to beware of large dogs and this is a woofer so I guess I'm totally screwed can I go home do you think I mean you got two people here you don't me right there is a good

Jeff Bridges's delivery of the titular line here because Forrest Whitaker says something about like you know it's something like I can't die like I'm a hero I can't go out like this or whatever and Bridges says

you know what happens to heroes in this outfit they get blown away and it works I'm not often a fan of titular lines but this one worked and they have to they basically have to you know cut the wire at the same time him and uh

and again like this movie does take its time it's super tense like you you're pretty sure he's gonna make it but at the same time again this movie is totally insane so you're like what is going to happen next yeah and I it's pretty cool how like you know after all this stuff with like my wife said beware of a big dog or whatever

Jeff Bridges is like, I think maybe Forrest Whitaker makes the suggestion. They're like, oh, well, you know, Forrest Whitaker can cut the thing. We don't need you here, Bama, one less, you know, life to put on the line here. You have to resign the next day, though. I mean, if you opt out of diffusing a bomb for the bomb squad. And again, I would never do that. I would never be in the bomb squad at all. So I'm not brave.

But you just got to be like, yeah, that was that was it for me, guys. That's, yeah, that's the end to me. mailman can no longer hold my head up along my friends so I got to go home got to go home now I do like Forrest Whitaker yet like Jeff Bridges is like working on trying to figure out like the wiring or whatever and Forrest Whitaker keeps like scaring him by just talking really loudly because he's got you know the music on the beeping and whatever and he's like he's basically saying stuff like you know oh well you know going out to you know listen to Auretha Franklin like you know that's not too bad and all this stuff like really sort of resigned to, you know, he might eat shit here. I love

we're getting a little De Palma here, a little split diopter shot going on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so cool. You're looking at the two of them. You know, they got to cut this at the exact same time. And you know, Bridges goes, you scared tone? And Whitaker's like,

shitless, which is, you know, fucking great. But I just, ooh, you do a little split diopter shot there. I'm such a sucker for it. Ooh. I'd be like, you know, start believing in bombs because you're in one. I'd be like, you know, man, I'm about to meet my maker. Could you call me by Anthony, please? I've corrected you on this so much.

And I just feel like if this is the last time I ever hear my name spoken aloud, I would like it to be said properly. But so now they're in it together. And this is when like, I think this is when, you know, we take a beach break right here. Oh, we do take this insane beach scene, which is, yeah, Susie Amos is like, and again, like, you are in hiding. Your daughter should never be that far away from you in general, my guess. Yep.

I'm not a parent, so I don't know, but I've also never been on the run. But I feel like if I were, and I were, yeah. Oh, no, you should be inside Lloyd Bridge's house with the fucking shades drawn and the doors locked and the lights off. I might also just, you know, just me, have a video camera on your car because, you know, it's a bomber that's after your husband, you know, the cop could be a bomb. Just saying. Even if you weren't on the run, if a man looked and dressed like Tommy Lee Jones approaches your like preteen daughter on the beach. That's like, yeah, that's like, I'm going to shoot you if you don't leave. This crazy man with a bag of crabs. It is insane that she starts falling for this though Because like Tommy Lee Jones comes up to the kid And it's like oh is this your kind of you know whatever

And he's doing this like it's a flat American thing But then he to I guess come off as like playful And you know the mother is here at this point And everything he starts acting goofy And all of a sudden I can only describe it as a Jerry Lewis impression It just sounds like he's doing this Jerry Lewis impression And he's dancing around

it reminded me of actually in is it now it's this it's it's it's Batman Returns actually when the mayor is speaking and that like mime comes there the clown comes out and starts like dancing or whatever like Tommy Jones like motions in this scene reminded me exactly of that character of Batman Returns oh no he just having so much goddamn fun in this scene um is he eating these crabs his because his cover which he's smart about like he knows the neighborhood. He's like, oh, do you know where the Zelenskis live or whatever the hell it is? It's like, oh, they live up the road. So like, you're now a little less nervous about this guy because he at least, you have an idea why he's on this private beach. But at the

same time, you're, you know, three of your husband's friends are dead. You don't even know the IRA is involved. I, me and my daughter have a five-day movie fucking marathon. How many movies can we watch and how many pizzas can be slipped underneath the door of this house? That's what's going to happen. Yeah, you're ordering these pizzas and they're slipping them under the fucking door, like it's home alone, man. You're playing a loud gunshot-littled action movie. And I might, I just

you know, might ask that you maybe take a week off from your job with the pops. Is that what she's playing with? Oh, yes. She plays violin in the Boston Pops, which I think is kind of funny when you think like, he diffuses bombs that go boom. Yes. And she plays in the Pops.

Yes. Whatever. But I mean, like, honestly, like, there's got to be a you've got, they have to have like substitute performers for this. I would say, you know, mad bomber on the list, although I guess that's happening every day no matter what. Yeah, it's Boston, baby. Yeah, if guarantee or not, there's bombs going on. But you're totally right, though. It's like a mad bomber is stalking me.

Find someone else to play violin during the fucking 1812 overture, will you? Well, especially the 1812 overture. My God, that's, you're begging to be bombed at that point. Yeah, that's kind of, that's kind of tempting, tempting faith there. it is another genius fake out of this movie though yes because you are just expecting that ban shell to go sky high oh I kind of wish it did yeah a better movie if like yeah yeah

I thought that was a little bit on the nose like she like leaves somehow she's like oh you know and then it goes up or whatever you know sure why not but yeah so I mean like he plays with these crabs etc etc but you see that he has done something to her car that's kind of like the big that's the big reveal in this in this scene and you do what uh can you remind me

he walks past like this all happens she kind of like shoes him away and he's like oh you know i'll be i'll be on me way and he like kind of walks away and like he adjusts her uh her hood a little bit because he you can tell that he was been fun it's really subtle but it oh okay oh shit i totally missed it yeah he laxed um yes and oh got it so meanwhile uh bridges and uh what he call it there and Whitaker like Whitaker's now up Bridges ass is like you know too much about this guy that's this portion of the film and you know that's it's good

stuff you know. Yeah absolutely he says you know I basically like I think you're the one that's bringing this all down on us this is after Lloyd Bridges has had that conversation with the hot dog man oh yes but boil the hot dog snitch

if this guy like if you had to have at least one guy who looked a little bit like Shane McGowan in this, I guess. So here's your guy who looks a little bit like Shane McGowan. He kind of does actually. That's hilarious. I don't think about that. But it's kind of fascinating

because Lloyd Bridges has been using a New England accent and this guy is coming down the staircase at the stadium like, hot dogs! Get his hot dogs! And then like they both just turn on the Irish when they start talking to each other. Very

very fascinating to me. And of course he knows who Tommy Lee Jones is. He's go to this bar, which is the bar he's been hanging out with. And there's a big fake out here because you have Mike Star, character actor Mike Star, as this big hulking bartender. I just expected something to happen at some point.

It never did. Right, because he's already been in Dumb and Dumber. Oh yeah, and Goodfellas. Oh, right. Duh. Yeah. This is weird. Also, I'm sorry, though. Like, you need to have Mike Star like put on an accent here because I'll tell you this hardcore Irish

bar like this, you're not hiring this guy to be a bartender. Just put that right out there. I was like, isn't my guy Italian? Wouldn't they just like, it wouldn't like let him in? Yeah, he wouldn't even get a chance to fill out an application. You're not getting through the front door, buddy. You're out of here, garlic boy.

And then he goes to have garlic toast and he explodes. As you do. Yeah, so it's Tommy Jones is there at bar with Lloyd Bridges and you know they're kind of like hitting it off because it's all that you know

from the old country kind of stuff Lloyd Bridges here's the thing Lloyd Bridges and Tommy Jones share a beer right here they're like oh a couple of pints of Guinness this is the most disgusting fraudulent prop Guinness

I've ever seen it is like way too like thin and it's almost got like like an amber hue to it. Like, it is not Guinness at all. And I don't know what you Yeah, right? And I don't know what you're trying

to hide here. Like Mike Starr is wearing a fucking Guinness T-shirt. Clearly like Guinness wanted in on this. You're making this fucking Irish movie, Boston shit. Yeah, put our stuff all over it. But like, just pour a couple of Guinnesses, will you? Absolute travesty. Well,

it looks like sewer water too. It just doesn't look very appealing either. And I mean, like, And, you know, fucking Lloyd Bridges, clearly a little bit off the, off of his detective game. He's like, he just talks to this guy for two seconds. He's like, let me just go make a phone call real quick. I was like, obviously you're going to get, get found out. Like, you want to, you want to wait that out for like an hour?

Just say, you know, where are you hanging your hat these days or something? You know, like, he's into it. You should, like, he makes a beeline for this fucking phone. But what he says to Tommy Lee Jones is, I got to go choke the old snake. I haven't heard that one. No. Like, I don't know, dude, I just bet you. Say you have to go to the bathroom. That sounds like you're going to jerk off. Exactly. Yeah. That doesn't sound.

You're going to do what? You're going to squeeze the piss out? Yeah. Are you really dehydrated? Is that the issue here? Are you, are you, are you, is this a medical emergency? Like, that sounds what that is. If you're, if you got to squeeze that hard, maybe wait. Yeah. Dad, don't go to the bathroom, dad. The fucking. hospitals that way, man. Jesus Christ, verbal kint. But yeah, he is fucking calling him like dad through all this and all that stuff. But boy,

Tommy Lee Jones goes back. Of course he knows he's making a phone call. He goes back there and starts beating the shit out of Lloyd Bridges and you get this. Oh, yeah. Well, fuck you, dad. It's great. Honestly, this scene and the next scene, I know, Andrew, you have a big thing about, you know,

if there's child death in a movie that's a star it goes up one star I will say the same thing for the elderly honestly like if an elderly person is murdered and or tortured absolutely this is this is my cup of tea

on deadly ground that guy getting drilled to death oh my God Segal just torturing that old timer yeah that's something else also deciding that like it's I'm going to take it myself out of the equation oh yes anything like that

like Ray Winstone and the Departed is a much more you know, a blooming, you know, a flagrant version of this, but I thought it was good in this one. I mean, yeah, the great, the best thing about Lloyd Burgess's death scene, isn't even that scene, it's Tommy Lee Jones afterwards and like the camera cuts him and I swear

to God, he like, he like grins. It's just sort of like, yeah, oh yeah. He isn't denied for four seconds. It's so awesome because he's doing the totally, it's a total like deranged person thing. He's like smiling, but there's like a tears streaming down his face.

It may have been from chuckling so much. It's so beautiful. He loves this idea he got from this statue. But there's also like a poster. He gets there's a postcard and there's like a painting of a guy with a bunch of arrows in him from like their old day in Ireland. Yeah.

I didn't know exactly which one it was coming from. I assume it's a saint that I don't know the name of. Yeah, I think the IMDB trivia said something about it and I didn't recognize. the significance of the saint or anything like that. Yeah. Sure. But yeah, like when Bridges sort of like figures out what's going on, again, it's Jeff Bridges rides multiple motorcycles of this movie.

It's pretty great. Because this like he steals like a police motorcycle. He's driving it around. And yeah, pulling up finding Lloyd Bridges just on this like piece of playground equipment with all these like arrows and this huge fucking bomb on him. Oh, man. And I mean, like, as an older person, you've got to be like, you know, this is a pretty cool way to go. You know, like it's, yeah, it's either this or the toilet. I'll take this, honestly.

Yeah, I won't feel this. And I don't want to leave a body behind. What are they going to do? Watch a fucking baseball game around me while I'm, like, no, I'm fine. I'll just be obliterated here. Yeah, you're, you're burying like, I don't even know, like three mustache hairs at this point because there's nothing left to this guy. Oh, man. and like so Bridges gets to him and he's like

oh I got to go get my tools out of the car and Lloyd Bridges is like listen man like look what's going on here like you don't have to look at the fucking little wristwatch on this thing you don't have time to save me and like so like in the meantime of like Bridges running

back to the car to get his toolkit or whatever which like I don't know you should probably thought of brought that yeah with you know what I mean but it's just Lloyd Bridges like does the math and he's just like Well, if I stand up now, I can do this before he gets back from the car. And it's just a good old man.

Like, God forgive me. Yes. Aye, Jimmy. I never told you before, but I have to choke the piss out of my dick. I've had to do it since I was, since I was 20 years old, Jimmy. It's time for me to go. I got to go. I can't stop.

I got to stop choking the piss out of me, dick, Jimmy. Oh, man. But it's so fantastic. because he just blows up and there's this weird thing about a dolphin marble that is very important for some reason but again it just shot

really cool like the idea that this thing if it's balanced the bomb is not going to go off but if he stands up it's going to go all over the place we get again this kind of really cool impossible zoom in on what this thing looks like and it's just it's just a really fun way to shoot this old man getting blown to hell oh yeah it's

god damn it's awesome there's no other way to describe it it's incredible I think if I had seen this in theaters like somehow in 94 I would have cheered I would have just like yeah yeah

yep you would have to like I almost want to like book this at a theater just so I can do that it's I mean you don't get rad shit like this like you know not to sound too old man here

but like fucking CGI explosions just don't do it for me no it just doesn't do it they don't look they don't look they don't look familiar they don't look it's like with cg i blood yes it doesn't look doesn't just does not look convincing yeah no absolutely not it um you know what did you know what i think did it in is i think the proliferation

of law and order shows did this pardon like because i i think like law and order like you just had law and order for a while and then for after that you like had what four versions of it and then you had different like copies of it i feel like when that hit its point was like a late 90s, early 2000s and these movies go away. They're like chasing

the cop and robber like the ground on the ground in the city type law and order type stuff goes away and I kind of feel like that had it went to TV it feels like like so many other things. Yeah I mean unless we're doing like bad remakes of shit like taking a Pelham

1, 2, 3 with Travolta or something like that. Yeah, yeah. You sort of get it there. But so You know, meanwhile, while that happens, like, Forrest Whitaker really, you know, hot on the trail of solving this whole thing. And he's, uh, Kate comes into the office or, you know, wherever they are. And, and Forrest Whitakers, they're doing some work. And he starts asking her, like, you know, what did you know about Jeff Bridges when you met him? How did you meet him? What's going on? And like, she starts getting the vibe of like, oh, fuck, he knows. And like, so she's like, ah, I'll see you later for his wedding. her. And she also does realize that he's looking at a picture of Time Ali Jones, which by the way, if I'm telling my wife

hey look, this guy's after me and I have a picture of him, I'm like, and by the way, this is what he looks like. Yep, just in case you see him out at the beach, absolutely. Absolutely. But so like, Force Winter has the file up on Tommy Lee Jones and it's like, oh, known associates, and it's like

Jeff Bridges, you know, Liam, whatever. And it's like, doesn't have a picture of him, but it's got a date of birth and it says known you know associates and relatives or whatever and it's like uh-oh uncle max whatever the fuck and so forrest whittaker basically like confirms his suspicion at this point meanwhile jeff bridges is drunk in that fucking hot tub this is a scene and a half it is great well because it's it's him like he's given up and i mean i do think if you're in an irish murder rivalry you do give the uh your your rival time to be hung over you know what i mean like

You're not, you're not doing anything between like 9 and 1 p.m. basic, 9 a.m. and 1 p.m. That is hangover time. But once, once 1 p.m. strikes, the game is afoot again. Absolutely. As early as like 1.25 p.m. There could be a bomb call. Exactly.

That's why he killed Blanket right at cocktail hour. Just what, right when the reception was getting good. Let's just go. He even fires this gun in a hot tub again, something I've never seen in a movie before. but I was thankful it happened. And no one thinks that's weird. Like, she doesn't react. He doesn't react.

I was like, I'm sorry, a weapon just discharged in a hot tub. Did no one see this hot tub get shot? Come on. This is the thing. I mean, I've lived in several places where your guns have gone off, right? Like, not, you know, like in the neighborhood. And everyone, you should have just like, oh, it's not a gun. Yep.

It's not, it's not a casual thing necessarily. Like, what Boston neighborhood do they live in where they, this gun goes off and there's like no one no one that's a night yeah totally oh that's just lloyd bridges again shooting his gun off in his hot tub oh he hates that jacuzzi my god uh but so basically she's like you know what i have to go to work which is playing the 1812 overture and yep and we're actually oh yeah we're going to play the 1812 overture and we're going to close with pop goes the weasel as the uh as the encore so reason. No, why would

you? No, there's... I have to go perform the star spangled banner. We're doing an orchestral version of the macarena at the end. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, please blow up the band shell. There's a really bad bit of ADR

right here where she says the Forrest's like you know, I have to go play this concert and she goes, I'm not hiding anymore. And it's definitely like a fucking six weeks later please say this into a microphone the way you said that

it was like she was like having her voice modulated in like a date line episode oh definitely I'm not I'm not hiding anymore we're not I'm right here where you can find me

behind this black curtain uh this we get a boy oh boy this with or without you montage crank the YouTube watching Tommy Lee Jones make explosives while Jeff Bridges is standing in the hole

that was once Lloyd Bridges him investigating the crime scene man and you just look at it it is a huge huge crater in the back I think this building used to be an old school or something so like the play yeah because there's playground equipment of course like this playground a huge crater

where once Lloyd Bridges stood I got to be honest this song kicks ass in this montage folks you know what hang me call me call me call me call me call me call me whatever you want to call me but it's pretty fun I agree with you I think it works and having Tommy Lee Jones sing along with it as well he's like dumping gasoline into the hall is really amazing it is kind it is kind of amazing that he and Irishman gets introduced to introduced to you too it's like he comes out of prison like oh have you tried this beer it's like oh oh interesting huh

Pretty good. Not bad. His whole, Tommy Lee Jones, like, having this hideout here. Like, this is a hideout fit for Two-Face. Yes, it's an, it's like an abandoned barge on a, like, you know, fenced off, like, you know, locked waterfront property. It's tilted on the side. The whole thing is exquisite, this production design. It's a gambling barge? Yes.

Like what is... From God knows when. Yeah, what was this? Did this have the like wheel at the back of it? Oh, right. I forgot about the roulette. I don't...

Like, this must have just been like in New York we have like those circle line things that like go around Manhattan and stuff. Maybe it was something like that. It must have been. But like it's dead. And they had they must have had like balls made with like the logo

because it's called the dolphin. Well, that's the most amazing thing is he finds like the dolphin was the trigger. The dolphin marble or roulette ball actually was the trigger. He pulls it out of whatever and like finds three of Lloydbridge's teeth next to it and he pulls it out of his tree or whatever. It looks at it and is immediately like, oh shit, it's the dolphin roulette barge. I know

exactly where he is. And I'm like, what? Well, because like him and Forrest Whitaker already tried to investigate this place. Oh, I see. I miss that. But that's why it's, they only like kind of investigated and then I, Chris, what is, I don't remember, Jamel, do you remember like They go up to the fence and it's, it's him and Forrest Whitaker, but like they don't go in or something. I don't remember. I think they get the call.

Oh, okay. It must be the, I mean, I guess it has to be the call with Lloyd Bridges. Yeah. I think what happened to. Because they do like, yeah, they get close to, I think they might even be in the ship. and then they stop before they get up and actually, yes, I do remember this now because, like, Forrest Whitaker's like

kind of apprehensive about the whole thing and he's like, oh, maybe I'll just go with you and Jeff Bridges is like, no, you investigate that part of the fucking ship. So, yeah, they have been there before but I think that makes it almost even worse, Steve, because then it's like, oh, man, we were right there. Yes.

And he's mixing up something crazy and this is when Bridges has the drop on him. And this is what the movie, I mean, like, the fight is great, but it's sort of a bit anticlimactic, I think. Yeah, well, it's weird because, like, Tommy Lee Jones eats shit at the end of it, and the movie still has, like, 15 minutes left.

Exactly. That's the big beat. This is the point where not, because I was just expecting this to go all the way to the end, right? Like, a final standoff at the concert, Tommy Lee Jones. But, uh, no, yeah, he get, he totally, I mean, there's, I said this before, there's a Rube Goldberg bomb that has, like,

various stages that it goes through it that is conveniently synced up with the progression of their fight. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. As they fall through the floor, they're following like the track of this machine. It's so awesome. It's just like, again,

so wonderfully stupid. Like, what a stupid thing. But it's so awesome. It's a Batman villain type of death. Like you would want to dive with your stupid, super crazy bomb house boat you made. but like it's funny because it does the the chase from the pops in the car and the motorcycle

it does feel a little tacked on it does it's like another really kind of but like also i can't imagine them doing like a richer jewel scene at the boston pops like with just everybody's scattering and then hunting down i'm not sure how you would how you could like shoot that are you just like having a hunt down in the park then i guess we are getting there's a bomb at the end Dependence Day concert. We are skipping over one of my favorite parts of this entire movie is Tom Lee Jones

has the drop on Jeff Bridges. They're both handcuffed together. They're about to blow up to go to hell. There's fire all over the place. And like Jason Voorhees, which he would make a great actor for, Forrest Whitaker walks through a wall of fire. Oh, yeah.

And saves the day. That dude is a refrigerator with legs and I fucking love him. he's so big it's so awesome like he and you hear like the scream too like Force Whitaker

like jumping through the fire like bra it kicks ass and yeah he saves him they have a really awesome you know diehardesque running to the edge of the pier

jumping off into the water it's so and as far as I was looking at this and I'd love to like be able to ask them this someday it looks like when this barge goes sky high

which was one of the biggest explosions I've ever seen in a movie I think it's the two of them standing there it wouldn't surprise me it looks like them jumping in yeah

yeah yeah it's just it's so awesome I guess somebody said I don't know if this is on the trivia or reading this somewhere maybe Wikipedia like when they blew up this barge

it like shattered windows like on the other side of the water that makes sense surprise me that's a real flob, though. You're probably getting in trouble for that. Getting some fines from the mayor's office or whatever. Yeah, lawsuits,

definitely. And Tommy Lee Jones, who's been the engine of this movie pretty much closes his eyes and kind of goes up with the ship and it's kind of cool. But again, yeah, now we have this other thing where it's like, we gotta get to the concert. I'm like, I don't know, he's dead. It's fine. Yeah, exactly. We're the credits. I love the way

that Jeff Bridges is explaining the rest of the situation of Forrest Whitaker because he keeps saying Katie's in trouble and I'm like, while true, also it's possible thousands of others to have this. This is how you know

this was completely fucking tacked on. So he gets to the concert and Susie Amos and Lizzie are leaving and they get in the car and like he's chasing out. He gets on a motorcycle chasing them down the street. He gets in the car. He uncovers this insane fucking bomb

inside the car. And the, the very tricky way in which she disarms it is he rips the head off a toy yeah that's how he did the big bomb at the end of all this you literally just like run random fucking piece you just ripped it off and then you're fine that like that to me is just like yeah we need to add this movie and we didn't do it there sorry yeah i mean it is a bummer the way he diffuses it but what is rad is all of the stunt work here of him being on the motorcycle and the car he realizes she can't push the brakes because that's how everything is wired. So he has to do this thing where he climbs off the motorcycle and is hanging from the car. And it's this big like Jurassic Park Jeep

kind of a thing. And then he's up on the fucking, you know, roof. And then he leans it. I love when he goes to little girl. He's like, would you mind sitting in the back seat? And he's like,

he's doing that thing you do with a little kid like trying to keep them calm. Like, no, this little girl is very aware that there's a bomb. the car. I'm gonna fucking die. We hurry up! Exactly.

Do not hold my hand right now. Dude, diffuse this bomb. I do, because you mentioned it, I think, but I love the cool

little shot of like, because we've seen a couple of times now in this movie, like odometers, you know, or just like a little number counter thing, moving their way to zero.

And that means like the bomb has been, you know, turned on or whatever. And that happens here. Like she starts the car and they start driving. And you see the odometer just go down to zero

and then the camera kind of does a cool like little computer effect shot of going through the odometer into the like inside of the car where you see the bomb set up. It's a pretty neat little shot. Oh Liam before you die I must tell you that car

cannot go over 50 miles an hour someone said to me on Twitter and I didn't realize it but like yeah find me the spot in Boston where you can be driving downhill for that length of time. I don't know if that exists. I don't know where they filmed this stunt. But boy, did you

see this might have been a it was like a hair away from being a totally cursed production. They have the shot of like, because the road comes to an end and she's like, it's a dead end. And there's some sort of like, I think like park beyond the road and there's a little archway. And the car

slams into this thing. And they have like pedestrians there like stunt people playing pedestrians. There is one stunt guy like he he barely gets out of the way of this car and they left it in the movie. Oh yeah. And you just see this dude like,

oh shit. Well, I love this one guy is just like about to get into it with Bridges and Bridges has the ultimate ultimate comeback. No, there was a bomb in the car, man. What do you want me to do? Yep, yep.

Don't bitch to me. There's a fucking bomb in the car. That's the next time somebody like pulls you over because they thought you rear ended up just scraped. There's a bomb in the car. Oh, man. I don't have insurance information.

There's a bomb. car. No, I wasn't texting. There's a bomb in the car. And then, you know, Forrest Whitaker kind of does him a solid here. You know, he's like, all right, here's the deal. I'm going to take credit for everything you did, including stopping Tommy Lee Jones. And we're just going to say that I was working alone and you're going to get the hell out of here. Jeff Bridges has been like shot in the fucking leg with a weird Tommy Lee Jones nail gun device, booby trap thing that he set up. um so it's it's a cool moment of like just get the fuck out of because this whole time you know you're thinking like forest whittaker he's a buy the book dude you know he's in it for you know the glory of being a hero and everything he will definitely turn jeff bridges over to the authorities and it's just a cool you know get out of here but i am going to take credit for everything you did yeah and and force is really good in this scene like he he he sends it off i thought like he gives it the energy that i was kind of missing from jones in those last 10 minutes like

They have a good... Yes. I think Bridges and him have a good chemistry to the other... Yeah, definitely. And then, of course, we fade to black,

cue the nun music. Yeah. We've got another none, like, none slash enium music. Mm-hmm. That was part... That was for the,

for the IRA movie of the 90, that's just everywhere. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, totally. No, Van Morrison.

Patriot games ends this way. Hidden agenda ends this way. All right. Is, is the devil zone on your docket? Jamel as well it must be yeah yeah I mean there are way more of these movies than you think I think

there's like 70 on our list so far Christ I love it I love it there is the weird and I guess like you gotta do it but it's like the movies like dedicated to some presumably like fallen bomb squad guy

and then like that was from the Boston bomb squad but then also like and bomb squad people everywhere I swear, I swear I thought you were going to say and dedicated to our brave boys of the IRA. The brave fighters of the IRA.

Yeah, right up there with the fucking Mujahideen freedom fighters in Rambo 3. Keep fighting the good fight, fellas. I really love it. If it turned out this was a true story, you just never heard of this story. Like the end of it was that like,

sorry to all the cops that died. Yeah, these were actual people. Blanket. Jimmy Blanket died for real. Yeah, Blanket was his real name. I do, I want to say, like, again, product of the fact that this is like a movie made in 1994, once Forrest Whitaker, like,

let's, you know, Jeff Bridges off the hook here, this movie is over with. Yeah. And those credits come. Yeah. And there's no, like, you know, I don't need proof that Jeff Bridges has a happy ending with his, you know, new family and everything.

Like, they're walking away. Everybody's alive and okay. that is enough to end a movie. Exactly. Those six months later, blah, blah, blah. And it's just boom, Forrest Wittaker's going to take care of it. Roll the credits.

Cue that nun music and let's get out of here. Nothing at this time, nothing will ever be Die Hard 3 where like it ends like literally right when the last line is like, Samuel Jackson's about to have a quip and the fucking credits start rolling. It's as if they know that if you thought

about the end of Die Hard 3 for a second, You'd be like, wait, what the fuck? Why are we in Canada? Hold on. Pardon? They were going to buy an island? So just get out, get out, get out, go, go, go, go. Oh, man.

And that is the end of blown away, ladies and gentlemen. What an exquisite experience. But we will start with our guest this week, Jamel. I think obviously it's going to be an around the horn recommendation. But any, you know, final thoughts or, you know, any of that stuff. And also, by the way, use this time, plug away. plug the new show man plug whatever you got sure so i'll do final thoughts and i'll do a plug uh i i love this i've never seen this movie before i loved it it is you know as we've been saying this

entire episode it's just sort of in the 90s they were the studios would give a director an insane amount of money to make a big spectacle driven indulgent action movies self-serious and they're so enjoyable to watch because there's just nothing like them that exists anymore like this much money that goes to an action film it's going to be like a fast you know it's like a fast 20 or whatever it's going to be quippy and you know part of a franchise and sort of it's going to be kind of one of those things not just like a single standalone kind of hyper serious movie about a political something vaguely political like it's just that movie does not exist anymore in this i think it's not like the greatest an example of it but it's like an emblematic example of it it's like this is what these movies were like and so

and again how can you I personally do not understand how you could not like a movie that blows up an old man as like a type act like that's just sort of that's what more can you ask for in a movie

honestly great point so a huge recommend for me people should watch it. And I mentioned my podcast a couple times. It's with my friend John Gans. It's called Unclear and Present Danger. We watch these movies,

but we talk about them. We talk about their politics and kind of situate them and kind of the post-Cold War moment. As episodes go on, I think we're on our 9th or 10th now. Things are getting, we are getting a little sillier

because the movies are getting a little sillier, but it's all good time. totally and folks can find that wherever pods are available yes yeah it's it's everywhere even on spotify we have we haven't joined the joe rogan boycott yeah i think we're still on there too you just inspired a question and you know we never have political minds on this show because it's the four of us um so we can only you know do so much but i'm curious because what you're talking about there about how you know having these like vague politics in movies like this and the politics of this movie are incredibly vague.

But, like, would you say a part of, you know, what helped sort of usher those kinds of story arcs out of movies, too, was like 9-11? Because then everything in movies, like action-oriented movies, just became so obsessed with, like, terrorists, like, from the Middle East and just wars in the Middle East and just dealing with all of that. So I feel like that might account for some of the shift, too? What do you think about that? I think that's absolutely right.

And if our podcast goes long enough for inevitably going to get to kind of like post 9-11 movies. And I think one one distinctive thing about action movies in the post-9-11 moment is that they are, they're no longer as institutional. They're all about like a lone person getting vengeance. Like I think, I think you guys recently did Take-in. I think Taken is like a perfectly realized example of the kind of action movie America is producing after 9-11. It's like, you know, vengeance-driven completely, you know, hyper. personal versus even this movie, even though

it's a sort of cat and mouse between two people, it's like Jeff Bridges is a cop and he represents an institution and we spend a lot of time with the institution. Sort of like part of the story in these movies is how institutions react to these

kinds of challenges. And that kind of just goes out the window after 9-11. It all becomes basically some version of like America's dad trying to get even with you know, some stand in for Osama bin Laden. More often than not Albania. You used quite a bit, especially in taking.

But see, there you go, folks. This kind of chatter over on unclear and present danger. So check out that program for sure. We'll go around to the rest of the fails here. Chris Cabin. How you feeling, baby? Oh, yeah. I mean, even if I didn't love this movie,

I'd have to recommend it for the amount of times I've seen it. I saw so much as a kid. and it stuck with me I've been watching this I think through my entire life maybe two, three years goes between me watching this movie again

I wanted to I'm so jealous of that fact it's and it's it does speak I mean what Jamil was talking about like one thing that happens a lot now is that we care way more about connecting the dots

we don't want to have anybody on the fucking internet making fun of all the story gaps so everything becomes about story and setting up it whereas something like this a lot of it makes absolutely no sense from a story point of view. But like

you just carry it through Tommy Lee Jones's energy and Jeff Bridge's charisma and that's enough. And with violence and explosions, it's enough. Also with an absolute bangor, Alan Silvestri theme. Oh, yep. This thing rides this whole movie.

You know, I have nothing but positive things to say about this movie. So I'll kick it over to Steve. Yeah, I haven't seen this movie in a really long time. Again, I definitely saw it a couple times. definitely like an HBO movie as well growing up and it was really fun to come back to because I was like I was like everybody else like oh two hour runtime you know what I mean like a lot of shit to do this week and then I was just in it I was like oh my god they're

going to blow somebody up every 12 minutes and I'm in you know what I mean it's uh it's that sort of it's the silliness of it but the seriousness of it and you know Jeff Bridges I think anchors this movie he was apparently looking for an action movie to do like kind of reading reading the tea leaves like you know i can't you know these character movies are great but i need to have some big bombastic thing and i want to have a little bit of fun and i think he does all of that really well and he fits really well in this action movie context and again like he's not what i love about him he's not he's not a superman he's not a you know he's more of a john he's not even john mclean doesn't have quips you know what i mean he's incredibly

vulnerable um very complicit in what's going on and and where is that pretty well you know I mean, you? Yeah, totally. I think it's going to be a tough couple of weeks for our friend Jimmy Dove afterwards. You know what I mean? Cleaning up the, all the funerals he has to go to and like, yeah, that was kind of me. Yeah, that's me too. Sorry. I was a decades old rivalry. Sorry for your loss. Decades old rivalry. Bye. Yeah, really sorry about that. It was a blood feud. It was a blood feud. He was looking for me. I'm sorry. Sorry you got Cortez, but he was looking for me. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to going to say anything that, uh, you know,

others haven't already said other than like, man, it's, it's always like, it's a weird double-edged sword when you sort of cross off a, uh, a blind spot like this, because like, I'm glad I finally saw this movie, but Chris, like I said, when you, when you were talking, like, I am bummed that I waited this long.

It is 20, 22. And it was the first time I watched this, uh, you know, just goes to show you're never going to watch anything and everything. So hot damn. I'm just so glad that we finally got to do this. And I'm glad we got to do it, uh, with you. Jamilsa, thanks so much for popping on. This has been a lot of fun. Again, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure.

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Live VHS trailer game, a special guest appearance. It was a whole thing. It was a real scene that night back in December, was it not? So that's going to do it for us this week. Next week, Chud, it's the 10th anniversary, one year late show. Enjoy that. And then we will be back with a brand new episode, the week following. And so until then, I'm Andrew Jupin.

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