We Hate Movies - S13 Ep638: The Exorcist III

Episode Date: October 18, 2022

On this episode, the 2022 Halloween Spooktacular goes back to the Catholic Horror realm with the outrageous sequel, The Exorcist III! Has George C. Scott ever played a more unhinged powder keg of a character? Has Dourif ever been better on-screen? And what kind of maniac goes and sees It’s a Wonderful Life 37 times in theaters? PLUS: George C. Scott gleefully recommends his ex-wife for the role of The Devil! The Exorcist III stars George C. Scott, Ed Flanders, Brad Dourif, Jason Miller, Nicol Williamson, Scott Wilson, Nancy Fish, George DiCenzo, Grand L. Bush, Mary Jackson, Tracy Thorne, and Harry Carey Jr. as Father Kanavan; directed by William Peter Blatty.   Catch the guys on the road this fall in the U.S.A. AND their Canadian debut in Toronto! Tickets on sale now! Check out the WHM Merch Store -- featuring new MINGO!, WHAT IF Donna?, Mortal Kombat & Bean Dinner designs! Advertise on We Hate Movies via Gumball.fm Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

this week on the program. Would you stop worried about Eddie? Because we're talking about the Exorcist 3. I'm Andrew Jopin. Uh, Stephen Sadek. Eric Cisca. Chris Kevin! And we hate movies.

We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's a title of one good scare. Sometimes, dead is murder. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in. It is time to keep your appointment with the Wicca Man.

They're coming to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fucks using one too many movies. Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies? Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos. More creative! Put the fucking lotion in the bad. It's an excellent day for an exorcism.

Hello everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in as always. That's right. The Sputacular still comfortably in Franchise Town with Exorcist 3 from 1990 directed by the man himself, William Peter Blady, based on the novel Legion, also by William Peter Blady. And starring the man himself, Mr. George Z. Scott. That's my man. That's my man. They're doing, going in for replacing a guy who does look almost exactly like him, Lee J. Cobb. They have very similar looks. Gentlemen born with the

faces of catchers' mitts. Yes. And I love Lee J. God. I want to throw my balls in that. Stop throwing your balls in my face. Get your balls out of here. By the way, yes, it's okay to like a movie. I feel like I'm going to be crucified. You get it? I don't like this movie. Eric, I'm just going to say, I am the Exorcist 3 to your Rick Rosenthal's Halloween too.

I think it makes total sense. I see what people may be seeing it, but at the same time, though, not for me. I liked this movie less that I liked it the first time this time around. And I mean, I think George C. Scott is doing tremendous work holding this thing. Oh.

And I mean, some of the directorial choices are good and some of the themes are interesting and some of the themes are not so interesting so there's that I'm on the I'm on the Andrews side I really like this movie I think a lot of it

I also think I have the Blu-ray for this and the director's cut actually does make it better I've yet to see it I was curious about that it fine tunes a few things like you see one major thing is that you see the body

of the first priest that gets killed you actually see it in the in the stall wow you can actually see stuff because here in this movie a lot of the murders are committed off screen and a lot of it is monologues and monologues I feel like they got good actors you know George C Scott and Brad Durf I think I'm really holding it down I don't think Blatty knows what he's fucking doing I kind of agree with Eric it's it's sort of it's sort of

like it tells that this dude was a novelist you know what I mean it's just we're just talking and talking the entire time, and you're not seeing a whole hell of a lot. That bugged to me this time around too. But maybe that's a directorial fiddle sticks. I don't know. I totally get that too. And like, you know, we should say

what's his face? Bill director of the first film. William. Yeah, Billy Freakin was supposed to do this. They both wanted to do it as like, Blatty was like, let's do something as a direct sequel

to The Exorcist and then Friedkin wasn't feeling it and he wrote this book instead and then Friedkin after Borman did part two, Friedkin was going to come back and do this and then it fell apart and that's how you get a novelist directing a film.

Has anybody else, I assume somebody has seen Ninth Configuration? Yes. No. No, no, no. It's his first movie. It's very similar to this as far as how it's cut. I think the problem here is that it has the title Exorcist 3. It does. It

It should be a horror movie, and what he's making is like a almost like gothic drama. Yeah, right. There's gothic police procedural. Something like, yes, yes. Actually, you're absolutely right. And like, I really like that. And there is a George C. Scott, when he took the role, was like, why I did this, he's like, I don't really usually like horror movies. But like, I did this because it's a drama and it's a drama that I find interesting.

And that's why I wanted to do it. I think, but yeah, to be clear, like the fact that I don't get to see many dead bodies unless I watch the director's cut kind of sucks. You know what I find interesting and I want to do? Hit play real quick. Motherfucking. Coming soon to theater. That's right, motherfuckers.

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This is season three. Chris Kavan, just as a recap, has won every season thus far. I'm going to take it easy this season. I'm going to, you know. Hey, don't take a dive here. I think the thing is this season, maybe we are Legion and all of our points combined. Oh, we are leaving deep, dude, I like that. Hey, by the way, I just want to point out, you know,

because I know the first film of The Exorcist, William Freakins, The Exorcist, you know, very scary motion picture to a lot of folks. Sure. And so some people may not have seen it. So I'll just say, when Steve said that Eric, my, and Chris's mother suck cocks in hell. Gotcha.

That's a line from the first film. It's a classic, classic movie club. Classic line. If I counted that one down, I think. He wasn't calling. any of you out. He doesn't have anything against any of your mothers. No, AFI's list of 101 movies where mothers are told the sucks in hell. So, just in case you're wondering, the way this game works is I will read off a game master's clue for each round, which is worth

five points, and then go through varying other clues until we get down to one point. So that's how that works. If somebody buzzes in and gets it incorrectly, they will be out for that round, but can come back in the next one. I had an idea for a fun little cherry on top. I still don't know what the Chris Cabin trifecta Megaprizes. That's, again, we've been talking about money

here, whether it's Barbados, whether it's, you know. I have an idea, but we're going to have to talk about it off off Mike, I think. Yeah. He has to go into exile if he wins again. Yes. It's not sex workers, dude. I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm sick of talking about it. Look, I'm going to go to a cave and I'm going to

contemplate it for a little bit, and then I'll come back to you and we'll talk it out. Hey, what's wrong with paying for it? Not on our card, my friend. So the idea that I had, which I think just as a little chariotto be, you will get the cameo slush fund for sure. But the winner of this game

gets to choose a redo episode from like the early days. Like a redo episode. Like something we haven't done like, you know, the show's now in its 13th season. Maybe choose something from season one. two or three, you know, something like that. I like that, man.

Yeah, I did too. Yeah, that's cool. Maybe you get one another bite at the apple and it's all it's all on you. Nobody else gets to say shit about it. Sure. I like it. I think that's a great idea. Lock it and stamp that. It's been stamped. Okay, so here we go. Round one of season

13's in no inaugural VHS trailer. On a guru. On a grul ball. by the way this movie came out in 1990 these are this is from a UK VHS rip that I found on YouTube but it's

oh shit okay I'm buzzinging it now Benny Hill there is there's no UK movies here I just want to say that it's from 1990 just keep 1990 all these movies came out in 1990 they're a big Hollywoodish movie so that

don't worry about the English part the only reason blah blah blah there's a UK VHS part at the end of it where this guy was telling you broadly, it's a certificate's telling you broadly what the film is like. It's an offense for your shop to supply an 18 tape to someone under the

age of 18 because it might contain sexual swear words. Sexual swear words. Yeah, I like sexual. If you don't, suck cocks and hell. If you don't rewind this tape, you're taking a piss mate. Why?

Round one. Game Masters Clue. Indie Darling's used their largest budget to date to do their first period piece, a funny and violent mob tale. Indie Darling. Chris Cabin. That'd be Miller's Crossing.

That is Miller's Crossing coming off of the top of five big points. Yeah, that's, that's a, that was a hard one to do. Period. Yeah, once I hear a period and Indie Darling's in the 90s. Yeah, it's, it's all them. It's all them. All right. Here we go. round two game master's clue a vulgar

stand-up comedian has become a vulgar a vulgar private investigator that's Andrew Jupin that would be Andrew Deis Clay in the Adventures of Ford Fairland that is absolutely correct

for five big points and that's an example of a movie you could redo on this show that's an interesting point I was thinking about it man just rewind that might have given me the idea

because it's like man I haven't thought about that movie in years and boy does that fucking uh koala he gets it he gets it good you don't look down at your suicidal koala tattoo that you have on the side of your words are it's just

it's in a part of my body I can't really access anymore that's okay that's okay FYI no uh no put a board up that area it's closed for business abandoned

this next trailer is this isn't a hit for anybody but there are no fewer than three boom mics in this trailer I was stunned I thought I was watching 902 a no for a second game masters clue a tough as nails action star didn't see anything wrong with pitting himself against a gang of Jamaican drug dealers this time around that's Eric's Neska marked for death that is marked for death for five minutes look at us a three-way tie nice off the top that was a hard one because it's just like there's nothing else to say

but you have to say Jamaican drug dealer or else you can't there's no other way to describe that movie and that's how I got it that's exactly how you got it wow look at that

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we're happy all right I feel actually kind of bad we have one more clue here and I just and so someone will feel better than the other two that's the only way

life has to work It's fine. Game Master's Clue. This sci-fi action sequel used a pseudo-futuristic urban nightmare as a change of security. That's Andrew Juppen. That's got to be Predator 2. That is exactly Predator 2. Futuristic Urban Nightmare sequel?

Oh, yeah. Coming in hot. That's it. You know, maybe we should always do these in the morning when everyone says coffee and not alcohol. Yeah, that's true. Maybe that's the difference. Sitting here with my large iced coffee. This is one of the earliest times we've ever recorded an episode.

There you go. So there you go. That's VHS television season one, season 13, episode one, round one. We all did very well there. I like it. Yeah. So Exorcist 3. Yes.

You know, we start out at Georgetown back in D.C., the D.C. neighborhood from the first film, 1990. You got Father Dyer here just staring at them steps, dude. Like, remember that time my best friend plummeted to do his step? Ah, memories. I definitely haven't moved away from here. They bring you right back into the Exorcist world by opening with rowing. Rowing down.

Oh, yeah. I was watching the social network for us. Yeah, it's like, oh, we're the Winklevye. The Winklevye. So, I mean, yeah, it's like this opens kind of dreamily. Like, he's just walking down. Who does he bump into? I forget.

Doesn't he bump into somebody? Who, Father Dyer right here? Oh, no, no. I'm thinking of the, like, George C. Scott is, like, doing a dream thing where he sees the kid who dies in the beginning. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, I think that might be a little later because the, you're seeing like this, yeah, it's all the, you know, the rowing practice and Father Dyer's watching the team, like, take the boat out of the water and, like, run by him and everything. And he's looking at the steps. And then it cuts to George C. Scott. And I love this because the first line of this movie is George C. Scott literally just grunting? Like, it cuts to George C. Scott and he's just like, I'm in the fucking Exorcist 3. He's like a, like a, you know, a dog, like a junkyard dog in this fucking movie. Oh, absolutely, dude, who has not been fed in days.

Because like the thing is, it's like, you know, I think the log line for this character will be world weary. But he's just fucking sick of it. You know, there's a little difference between the two. Like, I feel like if you caught up, and this is, he is portraying like we said at the top, unless we send it off the air but he's playing Lieutenant Kinderman from the first movie right the Lee J. Cobb character and it's just it's that thing of like

if you met him like a week leading up to this it's like he'd be much more melancholy and just like but like we meet him on the day of the anniversary of Damien Carris the 15th anniversary of Carus falling out the window and dying and he's now it's like not only am I world weary but I am ready to go to hell tonight. If someone came up to him and was like,

hey man, for $5, I'll shoot you in the fucking head and kill you right now. This character would be like, bring it on! Well, yeah, he's an old man and his movie buddy died. And like, when you're an old man, you need your movie buddies. It's totally true.

Far between, but they have to come back. And that's why God bless him, this priest is going to become his new movie buddy. They're going out on a first date to, uh, it's a wonderful. life. Oh yeah. That's not their first date. This is what they do. Because the first movie ends with the hey, do you like

to go to the pictures. They've been doing this for a long long long. Fifteen years. Yeah, yeah. He asked him out at the end of the first one. He does, yeah. He shot his shot. I guess you could say that whole, the final violent, violent end of that first movie was their meat cute. Yeah, yeah. It's very sweet.

You hang around bloody steps all the time? Sometimes. You watch your friends fall out of windows often? The original Father Dyer, William O'Malley, a Jesuit priest, who taught my brother in high school, FYI. Is that right? Yeah, he's a teacher at Fordham Prep, but by all accounts, a really cool dude. And I was looking up his Wikipedia page, you wrote all these interesting books, and then you go down, sexual assault claims. Hold on a second.

He was just trying to get the devil out of those boys. August 2019 Ovali was accused actually assaulting multiple students with all teaching in Rochester in the 1980s fucking cool dude Not such a wonderful life I feel way less bad for that dude

getting slapped in the face by William Friedkin making the first movie Everybody knows that story No So it's the end of the movie where he runs down the stairs and he's trying to give Damien Karris the last rights before he dies and Friedkin was not pleased with the way the dude was delivering it and so in

between takes off camera he fucking smacked this dude across the face like open palms smack this priest across the face and so when you see in the movie he's going to do the last rights and he puts his hand up to do the sign of the cross and the man's hand is like violently shaking, it's actually shaking because he had just been slapped in the face by William Friedkin. There's a

palm on his cheek. A bunch of fingers. As a very no longer a Catholic anymore. You're within your rights to slap any priest, I think. You're like, you've got a 70% success rate if you're slapping a priest. Absolutely, man. Take that shot. That's

a shot you take. I'll take those Vegas odds. And ask Friedkin for it and frequent be like, you're lucky you got all the way with that. I could do a lot worse. You're going to kick him in the balls. I'll kill you. Freed kid.

Yeah, I was eating a dog and I slapped a priest of the face with the hot dog. So you're always slapped in the face with the hot dog. It's like getting slapped in the face with a more delicious dick. It was five hot dogs. He thought it was my hand. He ordered it. He ordered it without the tomato. I mean, this is just, this is not respect, you know?

You got to punch them right in the cheek. Yeah, you got to put a full tomato and a full pepper on there. Yeah. Don't score with me. Don't give me a regular bun. Some sesame seeds on the bun. Please, some little nice. Come on.

Please, guys, we're doing this episode before lunch. I'm getting hungry. I was, you know, I was a little bit, you know, bummed to see him recast because I do, I do like that performance from him in that first movie, even though, you know, all the things. So 2019, that goes down, dude. We're in 2022 right now.

That dude shuffle off the mortal coil. No, he's still kicking somewhere. Oh, yeah. Is he in, he's been defrocked? I imagine? Or did he get moved around? It just says that the allegation, so it doesn't seem like anything. Just fine. Yeah, he's probably

just... Well, you know, the Catholic Church, man, they do like the fucking little ball under the cup game, you know? It's like, where's the fucking rapist? Oh, he's under that ball, then swish, swish, swish, move all those cups around. Now he's in Minnesota. Yeah, and his parish is unsuspecting and they're

ripe for the plucking, I guess. Oh, yeah, that's the Catholics do it. Steve, when you said that you wanted you missed it that you wanted back I thought you meant you wanted William freaking back to punch priests yeah of course you got a couple of ideas

or direct this goddamn movie yeah also that so we get I think this really chilling sequence of POV and you're hearing some voiceover talking about like I have this dream of falling down this narrow staircase and all this stuff and it's like

you don't see who it is and we're definitely walking around where the camera is the eye here we're focusing, we're looking at kids here's a kid, we're looking at kids and then boom cut to this fucking dead kid by the river George C. Scott looking at this body

like God damn it. Some great groaning, some great size he's doing here. This is, I mean it's really a symphony of groans and size that go on in this but like again you're not seeing the, for this

one I kind of like it like I just being like what what just describing what happened and not really showing the the kid being decapitated and I mean I thought it's a pretty good setup for like where this is going to go for him just to be like yeah you know what I'm going to leave I'm just going to go to the movies somebody else take care of this I'll be back to take care of it tomorrow let me know when you've slop it into a van I need some jimmy Stuart. It is kind of, I mean, also, like, the idea of watching It's a Wonderful Life After a Murder is kind of got to be difficult.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Because that movie's not as chipper-chiri as it, as it reports itself to be as we remember. See our episode on it. But so then you're like to sit there. You're just weeping, dude. You're just weeping the whole time. That's the thing, man.

If they had footage of him watching the movie, it would be the second time in cinema history and see George C. Scott crying in a movie theater. Turn off to Jimmy Stewart. Turn it on. It's so sad. I can't believe Uncle Billy fucked with the money again. What a son of a bitch.

How do you fuck that up? Why is there a fucking bird in the bank? Kill him. Kid him, Jimmy. Oh, I think of my hands on the rotten Mr. Potter. See, now this I would love. We couldn't. It would be really tough.

if we did like a fake commentary where it was like three of us and then one of us playing George C. Scott riffing, it's a wonderful life. But like we would have to record it in bursts or the one of us playing George C. Scott would have to switch out when the person's fucking throat burst.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, all right, Andrew, go back to talking like Andrew, Steve, tag in, now you're George C. Scott. An ivy drip of, an Ivy drip of a hot tea with lemon. Please just go right down. But imagining Georgie Scott heckling It's a Wonderful

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stepping into Lee Jacob's shoes yet again in William Friedkin's TV movie remake which is better than it sounds of 12 Angry Men Oh yeah it's pretty good. It's a good cast because it's a stage play you know what I mean you just get a good cast you'll get a good cast

Wasn't that like literally the last thing he did? no they also he followed it up with an inherent the wind remake because it was like him and lemon like doing movies for showtime for a little while yeah I kind of remember this happening yeah I remember Lemon getting into it too okay inherit the wind is the last thing he did

okay okay which is like two years ago but yeah I mean like it's it's interesting that he's playing Lee J. Cobb's character because he's the same age as Lee J. Cobb was when he made the exorcist so it's like I'm a fucking vampire

the night the night that Karras went down Yeah, I got bit by a fucking vampire. I'm an immortal 60-year-old man. A lot of shit going down that night. I got turned into a vampire. A fucking mummy was loose downtown. Brook out of the National Archives. It was fucking ridiculous.

Not to mention the Gemini killer. I need a Renfield. Where am I Renfield? You could pick up a new movie friend that way. They can go see, you know, Murnau's sunrise and all that. Sure. One of my low-key favorite like idiot characters in this movie

is Jim Father Dyer's priest friend or not a priest friend but like he's like Steve what would this guy be because he's too old he's not an altar boy this nerd guy that's having Kevin Corrigan baby oh yes that's right that is Kevin Corrigan

is that he's playing Jim is he supposed to be an altar boy or what's going on it says altar boy in the whatever Jim the altar boy yeah he might be like an older altar boy kind of a thing he's actually do it sounds like he's a seminary student because he says something something

i didn't do well on this test or something oh yeah okay that's right right because he like equates the power of god with like what a power motor or something and he's getting chastised for having that in his uh attempted i guess a sermon of some kind and also even even as they get older the priests always do like their uh boys to be boys i got to tell you man listening to kevin corrigan especially early Kevin Corrigan. I feel like I'm right on fucking Pelham Parkway again. This broads accent is delicious. Dude, it's awesome, man.

It's like he fucking rose from the grave beneath the Yankee Stadium. It's incredible. But it's so funny because he tries to talk to Father Dyer about Karras here. Because again, it's the exact to the day, 15th anniversary of the exorcism and his death and everything. And he's basically, you have Kevin Corrigan just being like, Hey, Father Marin, you, uh, you remember the first movie or what? This dude's like, get the fuck out of here, Jim. Like, he just does not want to talk about it.

Hey, Father Dyer, is it true that, uh, Frieda got to slap you in the face a couple times? How'd that feel? That must have felt like, shit, I got, I got to say. Hey, also, can I get a chopped cheese in Georgetown or what? Ooh, yeah, I bet you can't. No, I don't think so. And that's too bad.

But yeah, he's out of the movie, unfortunately, even though the great, he's, he's, the great character Kevin Corrigan. Love that guy. Totally. We meet George C. Scott at the detective station for a little bit because Father Dyer's trying to get out of the church because they have this movie date and he tells Kevin Corrigan that he's fucking seen this movie

37 times. That's terrible. So he's getting ready. And then George C. Scott's trying to get out of the precinct here to go to his movie date. And you meet some of the detectives. One is the guy who played Marty McFly's grandfather. Who the hell is John

if Kennedy. Oh, yeah. Okay. That guy. And then this other dude who George C. Scott accuses of being anti-Semitic. Yeah. Due to like some police report that the guy filed or something like that. And the guy seems kind of, he's not like really disputing the charges. No, he's not. No, he's definitely definitely not. And George C. Yeah, go ahead and see. That was 1990. Like you could just get away with being like, listen, this is what I'm like. Love it or leave it. I don't know, dude, leave it.

I think this guy is one of, in Diehard 3, he's like one of the, when they have to brief him about who Jeremy Irons is. I think he's one of the guy, the guy with the glasses that's chewing on his glasses. Trying to butch up by chewing on your glass. Got it. I think that's him. Oh. I could use more of these police guys. I think like flesh him out more than just being vaguely anti-Semitic. And speaking to diehard though, because the other cop is Grandell Bush. Oh, yeah. from Dyerd One and more importantly Balrog from Street Fighter You're right

My apologies That's the important one But so George C Scott is like All right You fucking anti-Semite I want the file on the Gemini killer And they're like But he got the electric chair

15 years ago And he's like I know he did So why don't you go get it And then you can go And he turns specifically to the racist guy It's incredible He's like all right give me the file, and then you can go home

to your families. Talk about whops. I know you're going to go home and you've got to be fucking racist again. All right, I think rabies are rabbis huh? Reism and Beth. That's what it is. That's what it is because it's something in the file about

something, something a rabies scare. What's rabies? And it's like, it's a Jewish priest and you don't want to make them mad and fucking George's Scott's furious. Yeah, it's like a Don Rickles joke. It's a Don This guy wrote in a report Yeah, I would be pissed too, honestly

I love this thing where it's like Yeah, I know the fucking Gemini killer is back And who knows how about what are my best friend But I gotta get to them Oh shit, it's at 315 Christ, I'm gonna miss the dancing popcorn I'm not gonna go home to my mother Let's all go to the lobby

Let's all go to the lobby Come on guys, let's all go let's just let's grant out bush you want to go see it's a wonderful life he has it he has a police officer escort him to the movie do sirens and lights on the whole fucking thing i don't you doesn't want to miss the previews you know like they i'm picturing right before he pulls up to the movie theater this fucking squad car goes over a hill there's two guys trying to carry a huge paint of glass across the street they drive right through it i gotta get into the fucking movie and when he gets their father dyer is like at the concession He's like, what are you doing?

We're going to miss the start of the picture. What are you fucking around the lemon drops for? Well, I think this is a pretty, he calls it an addiction and I believe it. He's like tapping on the glass, scratching his wrist like, I need the lemon drops. I can't watch this movie without lemon drops. Come on, George Scott. Just wait. While you're buying those lemon drops, let me tell you about this live fish I have in my bathtub.

By the way, would have been a very interesting scene to see or have George C. Scott fight a live fish in a bathroom or whatever. I fully agree. But instead, we're just talking about this carp that you have to buy it a lot. She like, or the mother or the mother-in-law buys it live so that it's like a fresh and there's not

like... It tastes better, yeah. Fresh kill. It's just crazy to do this whole little monologue about the fish going up and down your bathtub. And I never see the fucking fish. Well, that's the thing is like, I got to go home. I got to wait for the fish to fall asleep because I can't stand it going up and down

my bathtub. I have taken to the bathroom. three days. That's the fucking funnyest part is, and I haven't bathed in three days. And I'm like, oh man, Father Dyer, fucking it's a wonderful life. It's like two hours and

15 minutes. You're going to sit through this fucking stink wand next to you? Come on. I mean, this happens right. That's the conversation that happens after they get out of the movie. Yes. But like, it is amazed that, like, Kintrami would just be like, smell me, dire.

You smell it? It's a funk, isn't it? I haven't bathed in three days. Because that's the thing, we're doing the, we love our George D. Scott, hardcore. A lot of this is very like, low-key, very oh, my mother of God, George D. Scott kind of thing. You know what I mean? He's very, like

quiet about a lot of this performance, which I do, again, I do really like, and he's just like, Father, you're standing very close to me, you understand, uh, what do I smell like? Smell like shit, really. If you've been smelling ass lately, it's, it's, uh, it's a ball, it's a funk. Smell like an atchof, he's

asshole. I ran out of toilet paper. The missus is using it as a pillow for the fish. My mother-in-law called my daughter, Pocahontas. I might just join the fish and drown myself to get out of this. That is a great line that happens later, isn't it?

There's a later scene where he's like just reviewing files at his kitchen table really cozy. So much, which I do appreciate about this movie, is it gets the, and I, I, it gets the coziness of the exorcist, correct? Like, that is, it's, because like, it's just like, for the most part, like, yeah, there's, you know, people inserting crucifixes inside the vaginas, young girls, etc. It's really, really dramatic and scary.

But the rest of that movie is quite comfortable. And it's just like people having low-key conversations. Yeah. We're playing piano. We're smoking cigarettes. And like this, even like this like diners or this like really nice restaurant scene. I'm like, yeah, this is the exorcist. I love the cozy part.

It feels lived in, although the first movie. I feel worked better as lived in than this, but yeah. Oh, yeah. But it's like the vibe you get in all the non-scary parts of the first exorcist film is like someone has just put on a fresh pot of coffee.

And it's a fresh pot of coffee that you could smell like in the morning or early afternoon where you're just maybe sitting around the kitchenette, reading the paper smoking 7,000 cigarettes because it's 1974. Yep. Right? Or it's a late night pot of coffee, right? We had nice dinner, had the appare of teeth.

We got a jolly priest playing the piano, you know, we're all singing. Pot of coffee on either. And beautiful sweaters, the interiors of Reagan's house. Like just, yeah. Oh my God. Yep. I, I do like this, this restaurant scene with Larry King and C. Everett Coup, no dialogue.

No dialogue. And like, I'm sorry, you got Larry King to sit for this movie. You got to have him say. something. Exactly. I mean, maybe it's just something about white fish.

It's like, you know. Sending something back. Peter, Peter, why do you want me to cast Lery King and see if recoup in this? Well,

it's for the believability. It's the exorcist, Peter. Well, no, you got to believe they're in Georgetown. I'm like, oh,

okay, I guess. Like, is that it? It's like, that doesn't convince me, like you could just put Georgetown and show the fucking rowers.

I'm good. The thing is, you know, Blatty is a little too, he's having too much fun here because he does so many stupid fucking cameos in this movie that I don't get the point of they're absolutely distracting

I think it works really well in the dream but here I was I genuinely was like what the fuck is Lerick King coming back it's weird because I can sort of see it right it's like you have a journalist of sorts with the I don't even know if he was still the surgeon general at the time maybe maybe not you know so that's like

sort of DC politic thing, kind of. And then the other weird thing, which like I had to read about, I'm not saying this as if I recognize these people immediately, but like Patrick Ewing in the dream sequence is not the only basketball player in this movie because Blatty was like a massive

Georgetown Bulldogs fan. So there are like legendary Georgetown Bulldogs and coaches and shit, like walking by at various points. And it's like, hey man, that's for you. And like 70 other people. Other than that, it's very

distracting and bizarre. Yes. By the way, internet ticker, Sierra Evercoup stepped down from Surgeon General in 1989, which I guess opened the doors for him to be in this move. I have to step down from being the Attorney General because I've accepted a role

in the Exorcist 3. And it was a conflict of interest. Yeah, eating a sandwich, practically off-screen. Anyway, but... This is my act two. I now become an actor. Oh, now I have an agent. Ooh, I'm taking calls from Clint Eastwood.

Also kind of exorcist-y about the trivia on his IMDB, by the way, died of cardiac arrest on January 29th, 2004, but was brought back to life by doctors. Wow. Until 2013. Wow. You know what? I'd rather have that, I'd rather have that than the sexual assault allegation subheading. that's fair

yeah there's you know what I would much rather have part of my Wikipedia talk about how I died this one time and came back

maybe a zombie I can survive that ooh I'm fine with if I'm almost a zombie that sounds good so we're told you know

this dead kid was named Thomas Kintry he had ingots driven into his eyeballs they cut his fucking head off

and then they cut off the head of a statue of Christ. This is so weird. Painted it in blackface and put the head of the statue back to the bodies where the head would be. That's it, Gemini Killer. You are canceled. You see this?

Don't be bringing this back. You know, history is where it should be. A fucking insane thing to do, right? That is just above and beyond. And it's, I mean, and again, we do actually, this we do see at the end that it's like, holy shit.

Yes. But, you know, at this point, I'm with, I'm not with Eric, because I do think at the beginning, like, talking about stuff is kind of interesting. It's kind of drawing you in, like, oh, man, all this stuff that we're not seeing and we're just kind of figuring it out. Yeah. But as the movie goes on, and this keeps happening, you're like, you know what else he did to him? I'm like, I don't care anymore. Like, when like these, like, the nurse gets it, and it's like, and then you know, oh, my God, I can't even say it. She was stuffed with rosary beads.

and I'm like, was she? How? And also like, let me at least have any way to experience that as opposed to someone tearily telling me about it. You know, I think you're right that we are being brought into the world like a little slow and that's nice. I just feel like there's something, maybe it's the way the movie is shot. It like almost feels like TV here. I don't know if the DP did a great job.

Yeah, I can see that here. It's not, I don't think, particularly cinematic. Oh, by the way, I left off a crucial detail of this poor murdered child. after all that stuff that is also reeled off just a little cherry on top he was also crucified Oh sure

On rowing oars Those probably those very same roaring lures we saw In the beginning of the movie That's right That is right Damn they really really killed The Ivy League needs to stop this crew Nonsense until we figure out what's going on

There is this kind of cool thing That this effect They do a couple of times It happens This happens I think Earlier in the movie Like right before the dream sequence you're just in a Catholic church

and you know Jesus on the cross his eyes are closed and this wind comes in like this evil wind comes in and the eyes open and Jesus like oh what now what? Yeah it's just like this it's like this like droopy eye

like oh boy it's Satan a little bit awesome you know what it looks like Steve is like if you watched one of those like Rankin and Bass is cheap ass 1970s Christian things where it's like

here's story about Jesus and like this is like the Jesus puppet like the eyes opening like waking up in the morning or something like that it's not particularly scary is what I'm getting at no it's pretty funny but what is particularly scary I think I think the first

like truly scary scene in this movie is this confessional scene that's happening yeah I agree so we see this priest go in and he's taking confession from folks and you hear it's this little old lady's voice and I had

38 sins this week father and like starts listing them off and everything and then like just the way that this is written is so eerie like she just turns into talking about killing people and then there was all this bleeding and like this priest getting freak the fuck out

it's really well done it's all this bleeding and then they didn't take my coupons and I argued with the man because I said that I could get two kit cats for the price of one according to their little magazine pull out. But no, so I killed him.

I killed him right there. Another one of my sins, father, was that I went to the movies and saw something that was terribly confusing. And when the lights came up, I used the Lord's name in vain. And I said, God damn it, did anyone get it? And, you know, I was, I certainly wouldn't have had time

to kill that young girl if my grandson came over and fixed my VCR like he said he would. But, you know, 4 p.m. came and went, and I'm like, well, Granny's going to kill it. The young man on the street came up to me and said, that's too many newspapers you have in that bag there, madam. No, it's not. It's too few.

Why don't you buzz off, mister? So this priest, we find out, gets super fucking murdered. and George C. Scott, like, at the crime scene, I love all this. Like, we're dusting down the confessional, you know. It was terrible. It was a super murder. Worse than a regular murder. But, you know, he's like, oh, how'd you dust the other side of the sliding door?

And the guy's like, well, why? The only person on that side that touched it was probably the priest. What do you want to do that for? And he's like, because I'm patting the job. Like, he just yells at it. I'm patting the job The best thing is they To prove this thing

That his inclination is correct They like build a separate Yes Just to prove that they should take a look at this Just listen to him Listen I need the overtime To be honest with you We're gonna be working very late

Because I need the overtime Like it's like the fucking staircase When they're trying to like simulate The fucking you know blood splatter pattern and they build, like, the actual staircase model and just do it repeatedly. They're going to build that confessional. And that's some of the stuff that I like about this movie,

the procedurally stuff, like the dryness of that, I don't find. Especially later with the, what he called it, the hedge clipper thing, which is pretty cool. Like, that scene is interesting. But again, like, it's just sort of like a lot of it just turns into model on, which is, again, like, you've got great actors, but I kind of want to see some stuff. Yeah.

Oh, also, by the way, the guy playing that priest is, one Harry Carey Jr. Oh, that's insane. Yep. What is Father Canavan is this character's name. I will say that having the body in this shot really does help because it punches in the one thing that we haven't seen. We don't see the bodies. Yes, yeah.

To have at least one image of it really does help, I think, move it along when because the other deaths that happened, at least the next one, is interesting, at least because the process is interesting, like when they're talking about it. I don't mind the monologuing so much in that one, but you're right, especially as this goes on, like, it's just George C. Scott having to listen to people. You don't be annoyed. I think this would actually work very well,

like as a play, and there's not too many locations. And even then, like if you're doing a play, I could see getting into like the carp stuff as a as a dipping your toe into the world type of thing and the slow expansion. And then the monologuing would make more sense.

And the camera here, I looked the guy up. He actually shot a Highlander. which is surprising. But I just feel like it's not cinematic. Well, Eric, don't you understand that he's the carp? He's swimming back and forth, just waiting for death?

I'm the fucking carp, Chris. Well, yeah, that's true. I think we're all the carp is really the point. Just a quick, FYI, the lady who I believe does the voice of the creepy old lady who is credited as Satan voice is a woman named Colleen Dewhurst, She was married to George C. Scott, not once, but twice.

Wow. And it's Campbell Scott's mother. 61 to 65 divorced two children. And they gave it another shot again in 67 to 72. And that didn't work out. Oh, wow. We gave it our best. Listen, I got a great pick for Satan.

It's my goddamn twice over ex-wife. Take a hair stand up on end. My God, I used to call her the Prince of Darkness. Oh, she'll be convention, all right. Don't worry about that. You said that's all you want to use it for is that one line. She can be the villain of the fucking movie. She's certainly been the villain of my fucking savings account.

Do you got somebody to play the evil nurse at the end? You get her. Double rows. I don't need to give you alimony this month, Colleen, because you're the Exorcist 3 because of me. That's a job. That is money in your pocket. You're welcome.

George George we talk about this all the time I don't always do the evil voice just on special occasions special occasions so why don't we all come down I need to get it up yep yes that's that's true my love my love so what they determine from

this staircase-esque forensics investigation is that the prints they do find prints of the killer because the killer had to go to the other side of the confessional to close it all the way so that parishioners would keep coming in to do confession and not notice that there was a murder scene, yada, yada, yada. Finds out, gets the prince, and uh-oh,

he is convinced that the prints on the statue head that were placed by the kid's body are going to be the same prints that are on the door of the confessional slider. And uh-oh, that is not the case. Uh-uh. And you can tell the forensics guy is like standing there with the report and he's like,

and of course, the George's got. It's like, of course, you see, they're the two prints are the same, right? I mean, they are, right? I was planning on going home. These are the right. The goddamn carp is still there. Yeah, I mean, because the guy kind of just gives a,

like he shakes his head like, uh-uh, sorry, motherfucker. And then this is, so this is where we get. He's so pissed off. I guess he just goes home, thought he had the whole case solved, and then we get this dream sequence, man. And I think for all, the eerie stuff in this dream

sequence of which there's a lot. Yeah. One of the eeriest parts for me is not even when we are in the dream world, but when he's going to sleep him and his wife in the bedroom you got this music box playing to lull to you to sleep? No, thank you. No, no, no.

It's before the white noise machines, which you know, do me quite a wonder, but man, oh man, not an eerie music box. You're asking to get haunted. You want your house to be pre-haunted. This is an invitation to it. Ghosts, I'm going to sleep. Do your stuff.

Start singing to me. So in the Exorcist, he only, Kinderman only talks about his wife, his wife, his wife. He never says anything about a kid. And the girl is probably about 15, 16, so that scans. So you and your wife, after the events of the exorcist, you're like, well, mother, I'd like to bring another wife into this world.

Like, no thank you, dude. Not with the devil snatching people left and right. That's the thing, man. Like, at least move before you start a family. like Satan or you know the demon Pizzou who's pretending to be Satan by the way it was not Satan specifically

but like either way dude demonic forces have found your fucking block at D.C. It's time to it's time to pack up shop man. I love that stolen valor that bazuzu hey no you're not Satan the Satan patches go there on the uniform well I mean

but that is very much what a priest would do right like you have all these allegations that you are fucked that evil is one that you are You, your thing is fucking corrupt as well. And when you do, a show of force. I'm going to have a fucking kid. Let's see you possess this kid. You should use it as a human shield throughout the movie.

Yeah, absolutely. I bet you you can't fucking possess this kid. Go on, Satan. Samin. So the, you know, this is the heaven sequence, the very bizarre. God damn. Heaven sequence. I mean, it's kind of cool the ending of this sequence and what happens.

But like, I really don't need the head. heaven airport that's purgatory and who's there well of course fabio's an angel because look at that angelic face let's let's you know let's linger on it for a minute and then forget what we're fucking doing and forget what this movie is and instead think of people magazine during the sequence it's true because the first thing he sees not the first thing but like the kid uh whatever his name is Tommy or Billy or whatever the hell his name is comes up to him and he's got like creepy eyeballs and he's got like a Frankenstein his head has been reattached kind of a thing And it's settling and he's like

And it's like Oh and you know It's like weird dreamy stuff Where he's like I'm sorry I'm dead Oh Billy I'm so sorry You got murdered You know what I mean

Oh man it is That is so fucking funny though dude The kid I think the kid's name is Thomas Thomas sorry okay Is what it is But yeah It's just like Like oh hey there

Thomas oh I'm so sorry You got murdered Better like next time Tommy boy Yeah totally Anyway I'm gonna go here talk to Fabio about roller coasters or whatever

Thomas is that chihuahua yours or they just got dogs up here that's pretty cool I got dogs up here whose band is this it seems like a nice number they got going here what yeah

whatever this fucking band from some David Lynch short dude yeah freaking me the fuck out those people of course you have little people carrying a clock which always reminds me anytime I see like little people used as a freaky dream image

I think of the great movie Living in Oblivion with Peter Dinklidge talking to Steve Bouchemy and it's like Because it's freaky, you know? Exactly. He's like, what's so weird about this? He's like, where are you going to walk in and you're going to? It's just freaky.

It's this really hilarious conversation between the two of them that I always think about. I found because I wrote down George C. Scott's line verbatim and it's actually even weirder because the kid comes up. He's like, how you doing, Lieutenant? And George C. Scott, by the way, has said he knew this kid from some community program

or YMCA thing or something and he's just I'm so sorry you were murdered Thomas I miss you I miss you don't George C Scott what are you talking about

I miss you I miss you I mean since you're awkward you don't know what you're supposed to say to somebody who's dead oh yeah I miss you so much yeah I mean I guess that's fair

you are missed I guess I miss you anyway goodbye I'm gonna go talk to Fabio yeah get the fuck out of the way I see Fabio Now, Patrick, how did you guard?

How do you do on the court? When it's all those eyes on you, how do you do it? Holy shit. Get the fuck out of here, Thomas. It's Patrick doing my favorite. Wow. He throws him to the floor. Oh, wow.

So, honestly, you're better than David Robinson, right? You're better to David Robinson. Just say it, Patrick. Just say, well, look, we're up here at the pearly gates. You can just say it to me. I'm not going to tell nobody. Come on. I see.

Patrick, I know this is a dream, but could you sign my arm. Does anybody have a Sharpie? He wakes up and looks at his arm and he's like, damn it didn't transform, trans over. He wakes his wife, honey, I had the Patrick Ewing dream again. First I talked to some dead kid and Fabio for about 45 minutes, and then wow, Patrick Ewing.

Oh my God, honey, honey, wake up, wake up. Yeah, I just had the dream again, but this time I asked him if we wanted to do a little one-on-one, and we played hoops. Played hoops with Patrick Ewing. Life around here is so boring and terrible. You just see C. Everett Coop and Larry King, but when I dream, it's Fabio, Patrick Ewing. I saw Fabio, and he said, I could have been a model. How about that? How about that, Elise?

I grow my hair a long like Fabio does. I played one-on-one with Patrick Ewing, and I won every time. I took it to the hoop I saw Fabio my dream again and he said I can't believe it's not butter and I said I can't believe it's Fabia oh where's my fucking book

with my autograph book God damn it but the headless kid was there too he was a bit of a drag sweet sweet boy but it brings you down real mood killer also putting around the scene is

Samuel Jackson apparently he's a blind guy that his voice is dubbed I'm like, you're dumb. Bladdy, you're dumping Sam Jackson's fucking voice. Dude, what are you? I mean, I think right there, that decision is like, oh, yeah, this guy shouldn't have been direct and moved. Oh, my God, remember him? Coming to America, he held up the goddamn store. He was shot in Goodfellas. I know the answer to this is no, but I have to ask anyway, has anybody read William Friedkin's autobiography? No. No.

The Britskin connection. It's really good, but it opens with him being like, it's an incredible way to open your book. He's just like, I had a chance to have the first Prince songs on a movie of mine. I said no. I had Basquiat paintings offered to me for free that I could have had. I said no. And he just goes through this list of all these things.

He could have made millions and millions of dollars off of and just fucked it up. And I think that girl once really liked me. I could have got somewhere, but I didn't. And another thing that happened to me that I didn't like that I didn't like. That's chapter two, Eric. That's chapter two. Oh, Thomas, I'm so sorry. Holy shit, it's Mr. said you're a love daddy. Holy fuck.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, tell it, tell Brooklyn it's hot out. Come on, do it, do it. Tell me it's hot out. Ah, bookie, you see it bookie walking running on you? Come on, say it. Oh, I love having all this stuff. It's around tonight. Why does he sound so different?

Is Bill Nond around here? I'd love to say hi. Dude, if any actors should have been cast in a movie like this, it's Bill NUNN. Oh, yeah. But we should say Patrick Ewing is the angel of death. Playing cards or doing taro with the priest with Father Dyer there. Father Dyer also at this point

has the Frankenstein head reattachment thing but we don't know he's dead yet so it's like that weird thing that you have this line he has of like well you know Bill like I'm not dreaming this is not a dream for me and then then we cut to him like dying in the hospital

is pretty cool yeah I mean so we should say because it is another fucking hilarious George C. Scott moment before the dream sequence and before he cracks the whole fingerprint thing on the confessional there is a scene where he does go to the hospital to visit Father Dyer and we

don't see Father Dyer like get hospitalized like Jersey Scott just goes to visit him and so they're in their talking or whatever and this is where he's like he's telling him about like you got to take care of your health you know he's like well my brother Eddie blah blah blah and he's like yeah Eddie drop dead at 30 while you shut up about Eddie you know this scene of him going to the hospital to visit that guy again this movie like with the cameos it's just constantly

undercutting itself to me by throwing in shit like May the Schwartz be with you. Father Dyer says to one of these nurses and now we're just quoting space balls right now. He's a movie head Eric. That's the thing is I kind of like that. I like that's a part of his character that like you don't like that is a lame thing that people do all the time. It's very relatable to me that he would do something like that. Sure. I like it doesn't work for me because now I'm just thinking about Mel

Brooks and Fabio like then you then you want to reel me back into, like, being afraid of the devil? I don't think so. Sure. There is a great thing. And I think it kind of like, it's a line that if you weren't told, like, that they were friends, it would seem like really mean because, like, this old man is in the hospital. But, like, George C. Scott comes in with, like, a little penguin stuffed animal.

And he's like, Dyer says, like, something. Oh, who you got there? He's like, oh, yeah, I brought this for you. found it in the garbage I didn't clean it just smell it this nice like ball busting like yeah I got this for you

because you're in the hospital I found it in the trash I like those moments for sure he's got this weird jag where he keeps on telling you Mother India is calling to you father you should go to like did he just read like the National Geographic

or something like what the fuck he's like obsessed with him going to India for some you know what you should do father is die in Southeast Asia. Best place to do it. Is everything all right in here, guys? We're fine. Oh, then we're fine.

It's so fucking good. Because, so this is why it's one of my favorite Joyce's got performances. Because Steve, as you pointed out, yeah, a lot of it is him just like, oh, my God, my faith in there. Carp. Carp. But what's fascinating is like just these little explosive

brief firecracker moments, like that where it's like yeah he's yelling but it's real quick like we're five there's really yelling that like it because you don't know when it's going to come because you know in that scene he's just responding to this nurse who's like hey guys you're fucking yelling in here like is everything all right

and instead of like I'm sorry we'll keep it down we realize this is a hospital it's like nope screaming there also well that's the genius of this performance is that it starts off at a murmur and then as it goes on the grumbles and the snorts and the like just size of anger turn into full-blown runs of screams, which is what you want from a Scott

performance, really. Yeah, yeah, very true. It's a symphony, dude. So yeah, he wakes up. He wakes up, and he's had this dream with Patrick Ewing and he's, oh my God, no, he's had the dream where his friend is dead and then whoops a doodle, his friend has actually been murdered by whatever the Gemini killer slash Legion is and all of his blood. And this is, you know, we're seeing the room. This one, I don't mind again. It's, it's, we're seeing the room. It's the body he's under a thing. All of his blood is in little jars. You know, that's fun. Drained into cops on this table and the forensics person is like, and not a drop of it was spilled. And he says something about like, I've seen nothing. Like, what's interesting here. And yeah, again, it, I get it. It's very authorly, you know, like, because all of this is done mostly through dialogue, like, oh, I've seen nothing like this in 20 years and all that shit.

But where this gets cinematic, and again, it's just because George C. Scott carrying this entire movie on his aggrieved back, you know, is doing such a good job right here at like picking up the blanket, looking at his fucking dead friend who's been horribly mutilated. And like you, so your brain makes that connection of like, I haven't seen like this in 20 years on the jobs as the forensics dude. And then here's George C. Scott, you know, withered hard apple lieutenant. And that dude's going to. fucking puke. You know what I mean? So like all in Scott's face, you totally get all the shit of like, okay, whatever happened to this guy, like, yeah, we're not seeing it here. And in another movie, you would, and that would also be fine for that movie, but it's like, it still works.

Yeah, for sure. It's just not a blood bag. And then you get the cool, it's a wonderful life, creepiness thing. And that is eerie. Like, you know, like it's... Oh, yeah. We haven't spilled any of the blood except for what was written on the wall. And he's like, what do you mean the wall? And they pull this fucking blanket down.

it's a wonderful life dripping in blood it's fucking great well that's just missing the whole point of the movie right there I mean doing that with this

that just doesn't make any sense clearly they don't understand what Capra is going for I misread the picture hey Gemini killer even watch the fucking it's very skeptical but not cynical

we're so sorry it's only but what's written on the wall he rips it up what the fuck is pizza of the hut. What does that mean? Pizza of the hot's going to call out for you. Watch.

I just take this down here. What does I say? Barf! I didn't see that one. Now, what is it? Give me a quick logline. What is it? You know, I was a fan of Exorcist's 3, except for that weird part where a nurse has to explain the plot of spaceballs in George C. Scott. Nudicrous speed. How can you go ludicrous speed?

You're telling me, Pizza of the Huts, a red end guy is a robot gangster who's then at one point beating him saying, you're delicious? I got to rent this. I got to write this. I guess I got to rent it tonight. Sounds very erratic. Baseball's the movie. Okay.

Now, what is happening now? What is happening now? So, yeah, this whole thing happens. They get out of the thing. Stanley Ipicus's landlord is the nurse. I did that spotter, but thank you for that. Now it's all coming clear.

And then we meet Scott Wilson, the head doctor. Hell yeah, Dr. Temple. Who is like a fanboy kind of of this character, Kinderman. Yes. Like he kind of is always like, oh, I got to get ready for the big detective. Big detectives coming in today. I got to do my thing in front of the mirror. Maybe he'll ask me to the movies tonight.

yeah well that's true movie buddy I do I do love this Scott Wilson performance it's so weird well apparently he's being uh

manipulated by the Gemini killer and that's why he does this great scene because the first scene he's just like oh this is the hospital blah blah all these catatonics

that's not the other thing and you know you see the ward and stuff and then like he introduces takes him down the ward where the Gemini killer or patient X is

the disturbed ward by the way all the thing it's not as bad as disturbing behavior which by the way came out nine years later but it is very cuckoos and ass this whole thing. It is what, first of all, you just made my head nearly explode

off of my neck, Steve, by saying that this movie came out just nine years before disturbing behavior because they could not feel fucking galaxies farther apart and it's not even a decade, man. Wow, the magical movies. but so he

but then like you know later in the movie which I love he's like talking he has to like try to like get Kinderman into meet patient X so he's just sort of like has this little script out

where it's like you know it's a patient you looked in on the one you were looking in on the other day no that's alright the patient you looked in on was the patient you looked in on

it's great the patient you looked in on yeah god you fucking you came in too late there you came in too late there start from the beginning hit the beginning, hit the beginning, come on. It is so funny.

Because he's doing that, that George C. Scott comes in, what is this? And he sits down and he's like reading off cute cards. It's a great little scene. He's got the speech like sitting in an open desk drawer

outside of George C. Scott's field of vision and he's like going through all the lines. And when we get to the part of the monologue where like he has stopped rehearsing in front of us, the audience, he's like, uh, you see him look down into the drawer. Oh, man, I love it.

There is a cool moment when they go into the disturbed ward where, you know, that guy you look in on. He walks by one of the doors, and you hear Jason Miller. Jason Miller, yes. I couldn't think of his name. Jason Miller, just go, Bill. You just hear his voice.

Ben is Bill, isn't it? No, I just, I was because it's Star Wars. Ben. Ben. And then what's cool is you get a camera goes inside that cell, right? And you hear George C. Scott sort of talking, I think Grandel Bush comes up right here. And you

don't hear what they're saying and they walk away. And then the camera stays in the cell. And it just goes in front of Jason Miller and just says, I was only 21 when I died. Yeah. And then cuts fucking awesome. We also meet Celilia, Mrs. Celilia,

Mrs. Salili or something like that the lady with the radio repair. Oh, Clelia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mrs. Clelia. The pies and the anchovies. Like, this is actually pretty good, I thought, pretty good, like, eerie, like, woman who's lost her

mind performance. Like, they don't go over the top, but, like, they set up that this character will come back and has some importance. And, like, and it's not, like, too plot-driven. They actually kind of have a character here, which I enjoyed. And he's talking to her because

the nurse Stan Ipkis' landlord tells her, tells George Scott rather, that at the time of the murder this lady was seen in the vicinity yada yada yada so he's

like trying to see if she saw anything he's like did you touch those jars did you touch those jars do you remember coming in here and touching those jars a lot of his lines of questioning in this movie I find very funny Because a lot of it's just like, when there's anyone mentions anything, he's like, who? What?

What are you mean? Yeah. And what was that? And who was that? And something, something Ken, the great Ken Lerner gets involved here. And it's like, I'm sick and tired of this guy run down by hospital. They have the scene. Oh, this is great.

Oh, this guy's mad scene. Yeah. Now who, hang on a second, Steve. What's this guy from? Because you're saying Ken Lerner, like, he's, I might know. I believe he is what you call the other learner's brother. Michael Lerner's brother. Yes.

He's also... Oh, he's brothers with Mayor Ebert? Yeah, there's Mayor Siskel. He's the first principal on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Show. Oh, sure, yeah, okay. He's also the running man. He's in stuff.

But great little character actor here. But he's given George Scott the business. George Scott says something that is so incongruous to the first exorcist. He's like, oh, David Carris. My best friend, I loved him so much. I'm like, you met him three times

in that movie. Yeah. They didn't even, he kept talking to him like, I'd like to go to the movies with you. Yeah. But they never go to the movies. Well, I looked in his eyes

and I fell in love and we were reading the trades when space balls was being made and we were so excited. I never got over it. I'll be honest with you. Him dying. It destroyed my life. Right.

When I shook his hand, I said, you know, they got Bill Pullman's going to be in that movie. When he's his best friend, I just got that Larry David. it best friend. They don't even know each other. I was like,

I loved him like a brother. I was like, what? You did? All right. We're the only two guys who knew who Daphnees and Inga was.

We were very excited to see her work. Eric and Chris, so in this timeline we're prospecting in 1970. It's a 70s movie. Yeah, yeah.

No, no. It comes out before Star Wars. The Star Wars is actually referencing space falls. I like this idea. Yeah. You got to read the trades. God, it's all the trade.

Oh, yeah. Decades in advance. This sounds really good. I'm going to, okay, I'll just change Princess Vespa into Princess Leia. Oh, my God, it's coming together. Oh, there it is. Schwartz. Sounds a lot like force to me.

What if I take, okay, pizza the hot, what if I'm, Jabba? Maybe I'll call him Jabba. I was just going to rip off a cura cura, but I can rip off this. It's a lot easier. Oh, one-to-one right here. The whole George C. Scott freak out. Oh, yeah. Because, yeah, the guy, the reason why the doctor is so upset is because George C. Scott has all these cops swarming the place.

Obviously, because there's been a fucking murder. And the guy is like, you know, you're upsetting all the patients. This, that, the other thing. And he's, George C. Scott is trying to explain to this guy, like, what's going on. And everyone's fighting. And he just goes, what you shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. Screaming at this guy.

And then, amazing, like, watching a. wave crest in the ocean, right? He comes back down and he's just like, huh, excuse me, oh, oh, excuse me. And he like has to take out a handkerchief and he's like batting off like beads of sweat

as far as, oh, I'm sorry for screaming. Oh, it's like he really realizes how fucking terribly embarrassing this all is. It's even more impressive because he also cries at the end of it. Because he goes, well, you got the fuck up!

And he's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's like the ability to go from 10 to zero is just, really something to watch. Yeah, I need to calm down. Let's talk about body mutilation. So it's actually this severed middle finger, not just, it wasn't that, it was actually a pointer finger that was severed. And actually the sign of the Gemini killer was on the chest, not on the back. Oh, God, that makes me feel good. Oh, talking about death like that feels good.

Relaying some important information, Chris Kevin, exactly, is that he says to the, the doctor here, He's like, here's the deal, dude. Back when we were doing this Gemini killer case, we fed the press a bunch of phony baloney shit about the M.O. of the killer. So that way we could root out all the crazies calling in. We would say like, oh, where did you carve the sign of the Gemini? You know, oh, they'd say the back, but it was actually the hand. They caught off this finger, but it was actually this other finger on this hand.

So that's how we weeded out all the crazy people. And nobody knew what was, you know, actually going on. And that's why Jersey Scott is so convinced there's something wacky of foot here is because the people that have been, the little boy that was killed and all these other murders that have happened are all the actual M.O. that was not public information. I like this scene. I like the, you know,

going through the whole, like how the police misdirected the press in order to weed people out. This is a, this is an interesting part of the film. Yeah. But then also a weird, like, kink in all of this for the Gemini killer. Only murdering dudes with the first or middle name of

Kevin. Yeah, or K. It started with the K. It was it just K. And he's like, oh, God, dear. You know, good thing my name doesn't have a, what? Oh, no. Oh, that's true. Look out. My name's got a stretch with a K.

You're right. And what, yeah, he's like, because someone's like, oh, well, Father Dyer's middle name was whatever. And he goes, Father Dyer's middle name was Kevin. The way he says Kevin is so fucking funny. And when his mother named him that, she sentenced him to death. Yeah, he would sub-da-he had an AMC Stubbs account under Kevin. She had a Fandango account under Joseph's first name You wanted to keep them separate

That's how I know His middle name is his stump account Was under Kevin It's just such a weird M.O. Like, yeah, only people with K names. Yeah, I told him I was gonna bite him in the ass, right? One time Dyer was coming back from a traveling And he was at the airport

And you saw a guy with a sign that said, Mr. Kevin. And he was like, you know what he's funny? I'm gonna take that guy's car! Don't even get me started on movie pass, okay? Don't get me fucking started on movie pass. The dream is dead. Give up already! What do you mean?

I can't use this for a Fandango event. A fathom events, rather. I'm an old man. I get that confused. I wanted to see the New York Metropolitan Opera. I was planning to see it in the big screen. This one is this anniversary, space balls, one night only? I can't use my movie press.

What do you mean you took away? limited movies. That was the whole fucking point! I'm gonna go see Rift Tracks! I love that. No, so whatever. And like, it kind of keeps going on. And there,

the one part of this movie, which is I'm not going to blame Blatty for because he was against it, is the actual exorcism bit, which is this other priest father mourning who has like three and a half lines. played by Nicole Williamson who previous episode

he's played Cogliostro at Spawn and also his last performance he's also this Excalibur as Merlin you know ex-Berdish actor guy Excalibur great movie

never saw it got to do it you should check it out it's a lot of fun but so he's like what do you call Georgie Scott is meeting with a different priest talking about exorcisms and it's like oh there's this other guy

father mourning who you know, he did an exorcism in Brazil or something and his hair went white it's like, okay, that's kind of something and then there's this other scene where it's just him in his room and that evil wind comes in and he's like, hmm, and it's like, what are we

talking about? Not today, Bazuzu. Yeah, it's weird, I mean, because like what they're trying to do here, I mean, even with the white hair, give me a fucking break, but they're trying to do this like, you know, in the incredible five-star way

that Father Marin is mysteriously introduced into this movie into the first movie. What they're trying to do in this movie is a sort of a similar thing and just keep this dude on the edges of the field until he's going to come into play

and boy, as much as I like this movie this motherfucker does not work at all and it is a bad move to have this shit in here. The studio really crammed it in. Apparently Chris's delicious director's cut doesn't have him in it. Is that how that works? I think so.

I specifically, watched the theatrical because I wanted to see it, but I remember it just works closer to, although I will say the morning death is pretty good. It's good. It's hellority. That's a good one, yeah. But so he's

just kind of a round, just to put that out there as things are happening. The next thing, I guess, is the nurse murder, which is pretty cool. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which, which

oh, the big, the famous jump scare one. Yes, yeah. Yeah, I like that. Where it's basically, like, it's her, it's a really long shot of her, like, just at the, at the desk, got a nice red sweater on it. So we were keeping her eye on her. And she's like, kind of coming back. This is after she gets yelled at by a doctor for waking him up.

Oh, yes. Which is another jump scare. Yeah, it is. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it's also kind of a jump scare when the, uh, the clippers come out. But yeah, yeah, that's also cute. Um, yeah, no, I do like that. What are you waking me up for?

I thought, is that a doctor? I thought that was a patient. I think it's a doctor sleeping between rounds. And he's like, what's your name? I'm going to write you up or whatever. And then, yeah. And then she's walking back to the desk and we get the big, like, the music swells and that you see the, the clipper thing come.

And don't worry, folks, you know, you're not going to see a drop of blood in this movie besides it's already drained. This is, I just can't get over that you don't see the kills in this movie. It's not. It's weird. It is a good jump scare. Like the big thing, you know, he comes after her. It's a big jump scare.

And then you know that she's dead. And this is, again, where it gets to the... That I don't mind. I don't even mind not seeing the beheading. But then it's like, and then the rosaries were inserted inside of her. It's the talk. Bible pages were in her nose. And it's like, I don't know, dude.

Yeah. No, it's crazy the way this is all like explained or whatever. Because it's like, yeah, we're told she was. slit down the middle, organs removed, she was stuffed with other materials and sewn back up, and George C. Scott goes, other materials. And then they're like, uh,

yeah, rosaries. Just a bunch of roses. That's just, just rosaries, no Lincoln logs or anything like that. Rosaries, asbestos, newspaper. Damn, they really did a number on this lady. She's in a pose, like, you know, a little fox that someone's stuffed

or something. And that's the thing about the movie. It keeps on telling me heinous stuff without ever showing me heinous stuff. And I'm just like, shrug. That's me. That's, I mean, I understand that, like, he, I, I don't mind the bank shots he's making, though. Like, to see the, the guy come out of nowhere with the shears is, like, eerie. No, it is. It is. To me, where, like, I'm like, I don't need the double tap of also seeing this lady being opened up, like, unless it's an Argento movie or Fulci. bit. Just a little bit. Okay. That's a fair point. This is what he starts to meet

with Brad, the great Brad Durif. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We're flipping around here a little bit. This happens before that. Because when he's, when he's telling Grandel Bush about like, Father Karis was my best friend, and I saw him go out that window, and I'm pretty sure the man in that room is Damien Karas. And like, just talking about

the file on this person because we're told by the way from Scott whatever who the Walking Dead doctor Scott Wilson Wilson sorry yeah when he gives that whole speech

one of the things he says is like yeah we had amnesia we didn't know who he was or whatever and he's like I want the file on that man get it now and he asked the nurse the old crotchety nurse about something and she was like well that would be in the file and it's again

it's another it it is not in the file it is not which is so great but so yes this is it's the fucking I think Bradderve is incredible oh he is he is he yeah I think he is far and away the best part of this movie but then it's just I mean and he's great at it and he does it really well but it's just monologue monologue monologue monologue monologue

monologue I mean yeah I I don't it works for me especially like and the way that they're doing it so the way it is essentially is George C. Scott is seeing Damien Karras. I forget the actor's name. The actor Jason Miller. Jason Miller. And you see

Jason Miller occasionally as like an old haggard man just not talking. But when he's talking, when the character is talking, it's Brad Duraff, who is James Vanimer, who, yes, the Gemini. The original Gemini killer who they found

this guy wandering down near the canal 15 years ago. And Gemini Killer, who is he, he's possessed, he's possessed Damien Karras for the devil. As a job. Right. He's like, I'm doing this for my boss. At the moment

of his death, you know what I mean? Gemini Killer gets executed. And this is one of the things about the movie that I think doesn't exactly work is that it's so, to Eric's point, monologue, monologue, monologue, is this concept is, it's good and it's interesting, but it's so

out there, it takes a while to explain and takes a while to really drill home exactly what happened and why, and again, he has to tell you exactly what it is. And this is a fucking thing that Wonder Brothers

beefed the whole thing on, or this is Fox, rather, excuse me, because the original cut, which I do want to get the Blu-ray and track it down. I know that's very unprofessional of me to have not purchased the Luray to tell you. Oh, man, you are going to get nailed to the cross.

But the director's cut supposedly starts with you were seeing Karris like at the moment of death and it's like he's pronounced dead and then he wakes back up and that it's like, oh, he's alive somehow what's going on there and it starts that mystery and instead it's all on Durif to be like, yeah, my master who is, I believe, referring to Pizzou, the demon from the first movie, like was pissed off about the exorcism. You know, it was pissed off at Father Marin.

I was executed at the exact same time all this shit happened. And Pizzuzu was like, hey man, you want another chance to keep your reign of terror as the Gemini killer alive. I'll put your soul into this body and then he'll, you know, be alive again and you can continue your mad rain or whatever.

But then it's just all this shit about like, and then I, had brain damage for a little bit so I had to sit around until my brain repaired itself and I was like now you're getting too into the week just tell me that the soul got put into this body that's it

I don't need to hear about the fucking physical therapy I wish it was as specific as you're saying with the bazoozuzu stuff but instead you know they're keeping it kind of vague he was like brought back to settle the score by who oh the master and who is that and you got an address for this master or what

I'm going to ask you the who, what, when, and why. Quick question. Did he have any... Did he have any identifiable features, like a tattoo, maybe, or a patch? And then Brad Durf, so, you know, I love Shakespeare. And it's like, ah, yeah, which play is that? Oh, Titus Andronic is, oh, okay, you're like any other... Have you ever seen a carp in a bathtub?

I think that's in a Shakespeare play is a carp in a bathtub. Apparently also the original cut doesn't have Jason Miller in it at all because he was unavailable. And then this, I actually do like the cutting back and forth between the two of them because that's the only way it kind of really sells the eerieness of it. He's trapped in this by this demon thing. And apparently, this is Brad Doris speaking out of school. Oh, yeah, who know? Yeah, go ahead. Jason Miller, by the way, FYI, Jackie Cleese's son, in case you're wondering.

Jason Patrick's father? Exactly. My God. They're everywhere. Eric's going to get furious now. No, not. Jason Miller apparently was so deep into being an alcoholic.

He has what Brad Doroff describes on a DVD commentary as wet brain. And he couldn't remember any monologues. He couldn't remember any of this stuff. So like basically when you watch him, he only gives like one or two little lines here and there as opposed to Brett Durf is doing all the monologues and stuff. And it's like Brad Durf. just straight shooter yeah just telling you what it's like

I tell you what it's like by the way I said you guys this before we went on the air but I think it's funny enough or disturbing enough to mention here because it was this is kind of the focal point of what I'm about to talk about this is from Wikipedia and we're reading from Wikipedia

just like a true crime podcast you're going to love this one a reading from the book of Wikipedia please keep it in Catholicism the film became a focal point of the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer. Of course. Detectives testify that Dahmer claimed to identify with the Gemini killer and would play the film for some of his victims before killing them.

Dahmer's final attempted victim, Tracy Edwards, testified that Dahmer would rock back and forth while chanting at various times and that he especially enjoyed the sequence with the possessed Carreras. Dahmer went on so far to purchase yellow contact lenses to resemble Miller. as well as emulate another film character he admired Emperor Palpatine from Return of the Jedi. See, this proves it.

Fanboys are serial killers. It's a one-to-one here, folks. And now that we have unearthed this new information about Jeffrey Dahmer, coming to Peacock, 2023, a new six-episode Jeffrey Dahmer series talking all about movies that Jeffrey Dahmer liked.

Jeffrey Domber, nerd boy. He liked Return the Jedi, so I'll give him that. You know, and this is also, this is kind of mirroring the other week when we talked Halloween 2, which also supposedly inspired a serial killer. So we're having fun on the spookacular. We are having a lot of fun. I was actually, when I was actually, when I was dinner, me and my wife and a friend of ours saw a moon age daydream. And this guy, I've not watched the Dahmer show yet.

I probably will because I'm Dommer head, as everybody knows. We're talking about the movie Moon Age J. Adrian. We're like, oh, yeah, this Bowie song and that movement. This waiter comes out of nowhere. And I mean, runs across this restaurant. It wasn't a nice restaurant. It was like a mid-tier restaurant. Runs across restaurants. Oh, my God. Are you guys talking about the Dahmer show? I'm like, no.

And he's like, I am obsessed. And I'm like, oh, okay, dude. Was he frantically taking out his yellow contact lenses when he found out you were not talking about Dahmer? You guys talking about Dahmer or what? was that Evan Peterson was he doing doing work for his next

role Steve when he was talking to you start like one by one taking singles off the table like you keep fucking talking this tips going right back in my wallet

no it was just chilling don't ruin the Dahmer show for me I don't know how it ends but yeah I mean Durif here we're doing some cool stuff where like the voice coming out of Durif's mouth

it's not always durif here. Like he starts singing and it's like the voice of a little girl at one point and probably the most fucked up part of like all of the monologuing that he's doing in this first scene here

as he's talking about it. He's like, hey lieutenant, do you know that a decapitated head stays alive for 20 seconds after you cut it off? Well, you know what I would do? I'd cut off the head of my victim and then hold it up

and show them their body. And I was like, oh my God. I mean, like Brad Duriff, man. God's damn. He delivers. He's great in this.

He really did. I was talking about like draining a person too and he's like, you're getting all the blood out. The overall effect is astonishing. To Eric's point, yeah. To Eric's point, this is a two-hander for the most part because that's what this movie kind of

devolves into evolves into. It's like, it's just a lot of these scenes between the two of them. And it's great because George C. Scott and fucking Brad Durf, side me up. But like, It would have worked better almost as a play. I kind of agree with you.

Yes. I think I would be, I think I went to, if I went to a theater and sat down and watched this, I probably would have been like, amazing show. Yeah. I mean, actually, but we should adapt Legion into a stage play. Let's bring Broadway back. I understand. I totally get why Dommer like this guy, though, because he is a climber. He's a worker. Like, he, you're, your, your lord, your boss tells you, look.

I got this body and you can do some great things in this body of this priest. But guess what? You have to work 15 years to get this brain working. It's going to be 15 years of just working on this brain to get it back and work and repair. But if you do it, you can do great things for me. You can do fantastic things for me. You can make these incredible deaths of bleeding and all this shit. And like if that's, if you're a serial killer, that's your whole shit.

Like, right? It's like I'm creating my own corpus. This is my body of work I'm going to create. So I can see it. I can see it. Well, also, like, you know, the Gemini killer cutting heads off just like Dommer like doing, man. Yeah. You know, definitely saw a lot of himself.

And what's great, after all this shit, he's talking about how he does it. There's not the other thing. George Scott just punches him in the face. Oh, yes. It's fucking great because he's walking out, like, in the hospital corridor there. And maybe it's Grandel Bush. He's talking to somebody. And you just hear this nurse go, his goddamn noses, bro.

but the key piece of information here is that he just gets out of this whole thing the phrase save your servant which was something that was said at one point and he goes and looks up with save your servant means and it's part of the I almost said the lines of dialogue but it's part of whatever you would read in the exorcism ritual

which is cool and I mean like you know he's he does have this young fan so basically as it's going on like he the Gemini killer keeps telling George Scott that he needs to tell the press that he is the Gemini killer is back or else he will be punished

that's kind of what is kind of hanging over the movie for a while to be fair he's definitely trying to convince the police that of that he's not going to tell the media that but he's trying to tell anybody who will listen the Gemini killer is back and everybody's like fuck you he's dead

like that's essentially it Brad Durf just constantly being like don't forget to tell the paper that unpacked. Like, no, those are your last warning. Tell the press, come on, man. You're invited to the dance. You're going to come to the dance, baby. When George C. Scott is, he finally gets that folder, you know, the file on the Gemini

killer, and he's doing research in his little comfortable, warm, snuggly kitchenette at home. Love this thing. Definitely smells like cigarettes. You know it, top to bottom. He opens the folder, and it's immediately a picture of the Gemini killer. And this is how the movie confirms to you that Brad Durif is the Gemini it's like oh that's what the dude look like

that's the dude we just saw in the prison cell this guy is inside the body of Damien Carras and his daughter shuffles in in a robe not much like in the first one Reagan yeah Reagan is wearing like

I like these little nods like you just like you get the feet and it's like very slowly coming up so you're like oh wait is she possess? This is almost a cool what do you call it there a jump scare kind of a thing. Yeah, and an homage too. I kind of wanted the jump scare to be the

the carp, honestly. Like something is like, yeah, smashing in the house and it's like, sure. Oh my God, oh my God, it's the devil, it's the fucking devil. And it's like, oh, no, this fucking fish in your bathtub. That'd be great if you had a commentary for this movie. Peter By it's like, yeah, we tried to get a carp and we couldn't find a big enough one.

All them were pretty small. We tried to make the scene work, but it just, you know, big fish, hard to come by. We brought in a trout and fucking George's got walked saying, that's not a carp! He's very method. He's a very serious actor. He needed it to be a carp and we just couldn't accommodate. We could never get the shot because he was supposed to take it out of the

bathtub and bring it down to the kitchen. But every time George would pick the live carp out of the bathtub, he would just naturally strangle it to death right there. And we never got downstairs. So we just had to cut it. We went through 35 carp before we just said, scrap it. We're not doing the same more. Let's make dinner. A lot of fucking fish fry on the menu

for the set that night, friend. So somewhere around here, George Scott goes back to the mental hospital. And Dr. Temple has committed suicide, like, OD'd. Yes. And you're like, all right, well, you know, another good actor out of the movie.

And this is another thing about the movie that I think kind of slows it down. It's just like, we go to the hospital. And I'm going to leave it for a second. I'm back in the hospital. Yeah. For half a second, we're back at the hospital.

We're just leaving the hospital set up to set up more hospital. Like just stay there or something. A lot of hospitals at this, spooktacular. That is. It's true. A lot of creepy corridors

this one. Yeah. So it's again, yeah, we leave the hospital. We come right back for, again, right back to monologue town

with Brad Dora. Yes. And he's saying, you know, like how Damien Karris is, he's inside with us he will never get away his pain won't end and he's like screaming and shit um and oh the weird thing in this i never caught this line before but brad durf talking about like they had actually buried the body of father caris and brad durf had to break out of the

coffin yeah fucking like and that friends is working for it right there yeah you broke out of coffin and dug yourself up out of the ground because you were that dedicated of a serial killer? Absolutely, dude, free pads. I guess the hustler mindset. I guess the idea is, you know, you're open for what, two, three days to a possession if they really want you when you're dead. Is that how that works? Yeah, I guess so. Like, it's just that's the window, you know, three business days. I love the idea, though, that like when he freaks out of,

about Karris and he's like oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to rave like that it is incredible this is like the this is the most believable Satan movie to me in a way because like yeah after what Karris did I if I was the devil I believe that

motherfucker like just I would be after him for the rest of his life I would just like I'm gonna kill your fucking friends I'm gonna I'm gonna I justose your entire fucking life man and that's essentially what happens he's just like I will never stop I'm going to everybody you know you, pieces of shit.

Oh, that son of a bitch, priest. I want his mother. Dead. I want his father. Dead. I want his church. Burn to the ground. I want the lady that, I want the lady who realized that the, the dialogue was recorded backwards. That expert. I want her son. Crucify. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's a really long way to go, but we did that too.

Oh, right. That's, oh, that's the poor little boy. That's why he's dead. It's because his mom found out the tape was reversed. Yes. it seems like all right guys let's let's let's now we're stretching and it's like at that I totally but you know I I'm with you on that because at that point I remember thinking to myself like folks not only have I seen the first movie I've seen it multiple times I'm not I don't need all the member the first one like that one was a fridge too far for me just have him kill that little kid and it's a fucked up thing where the Gemini killer like

killing little kids yeah yeah well I mean up you know Like I said, I think the The one thing we all know about the devil He is he is a petty bitch And he will not let up on this stuff He will he will be Die rather than give this shit up Yeah, so you know

I love right around here Steve You were cracking on this on Twitter I loved it. It's George Scott Walking around the floor the ward again He's looking for that old lady That he questioned before and oh Where is she crawling up on the ceiling freaky as fuck.

A little Spider-Man lady. Yeah, a little spider lady. She got bit. It's kind of amazing. Well, the weirdest part about this scene is like, because it's now, it's like, you know, I think George C. Scott is realizing, oh, this guy can, you know,

you know, not only like the movie Fallen can come after my family as anyone. And he wants to come after my family. Uh-oh, look out. And he's like looking for this old lady. And like, she's the one that's crawling. but then some other nurse is the one that's gonna get gonna do it that part

like is a little too much of a shell game for me in terms of dramatic dear god I shouldn't have named my daughter Candelina Oh Candelina Ah no Candelina no Yeah it's weird Because we have met this other old lady

She's been like On the periphery here and there Kind of mumbling to herself throughout the movie and you see her kind of snap out of the fog and like she basically just murders this nurse yes unceremoniously and leaves the hospital dressed as the nurse to head down to George C. Scott's house here and there is a great thing where

and this I got to hear the other side of that phone call because George C. Scott's trying to call his house and he's getting the busy signal and we see what's going on on the other end of the call and it's the wife has picked up the phone and she's like Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, okay, sure. And what we're to believe is that the nurse here now possessed by the Gemini killer has thrown its voice to sound like George C. Scott saying like, there's a nurse coming to the house to take care of the fucking mother-in-law or something like that. She's going to come in over. But this fucking cop car chasing where he is trying to get to this house and he's screaming. And he's screaming. even at this guy driving,

they're going, back up, you son of it! Get out of it! Dude, I would not want to be. This is not an Uber I want as George Scott comes into my car. They go the wrong fucking way. I can't believe it.

Give all those guys five stars and a 20% tip. My average star rating is 1.3. Yeah, the passenger smelled. He apparently hadn't bathed in days. He was loud and rude. Kept on screaming about a carp. something about a fish in his bathtub didn't really understand

refused to wear a mask whatever he also ate and drank in my car which I do not appreciate I gotta tell you yelling about seeing anti-Semites everywhere yeah

so like they got Karris hooked up to like this brain monitor the crazy lady arrives at the house and this is fucking hilarious though It's like the, I think it's the, is it the wife or the mother-in-law here is like, what kind of a nurse is this? It's like disgusted at this lady. Because apparently she comes to the house and just passes out. We don't see this.

She just comes to the house and passes out. Now she is resting at the table. Meanwhile, Father Morning, if you could remember that guy, has finally showed up to the movie after one and a half scenes and no dialogue. And he's going to do some exercises of his own. Yes. well this is why we get fucking ripped up this is how we can call up the exorcist right yeah exactly because he didn't

you again bladdy didn't want to call it the exorcist he just wanted to call it Legion because that's not because he there was no exorcism in this movie but the studio's like ah you're gonna want an exorcism in there yeah I haven't seen the director's cut

obviously but whatever he was going for was probably better than what happened here yeah exactly uh and which is almost always the case when a studio fucks with your movie, by the way. Yes. He runs. So Father Warding comes in. He starts doing the exorcism. Uh, we do get some more

Jason Miller here, kind of back and forth between the two. And yeah, he just, he telekinesis is this old priest to the fucking ceiling. And his skin starts to pull up, pour off. That's pretty cool. Yeah, he's like, yeah, he's like stuck to the wall. And when he tries to get off it, like his fucking cheek and ears just peeling off. It's gross. It's pretty awesome.

They like rip, like his head like rips apart at one point. It's, it's gnarly. It's very, it's hell raisery. It's very hellraisery. And like, you know, you think about the exorcism multiple sequences, you know, in the first movie, of course, they're, they're totally unbeatable. I mean, the gore here is really great. But what's funny is like everything leading up to, you know, being telekinetically thrown against the wall is kind of hilarious because he says, you know, character. or you know Gemini killer or whatever is like you again and the morning is like enter night this time you're going to lose and throws holy water on them which is fine that's your standard exorcism

that's what you should be doing absolutely the camera then punches out to this two shot of them on opposite sides of the room and in the middle there's just like a bunch of snakes and flames kind of hanging out so that's a big l-o-l and then this dude he goes back father morning to read you know the next part of the

exorcism ritual from the book and his Bible just explodes in his face like fucking Rip Taylor with the fucking you know glitter everywhere because it's just like it explodes into like fun confetti

and shit it's so fucking funny one of the drops when so they got he's got mourning up on the ceiling he's dancing on the ceiling there and like he drops him at one point and I swear to God this the stunt man

who did this he looks exactly like Boris Johnson. He's got a stupid hair. He's noticeably like 30 to 40 pounds heavier. It was amazing. The hair just goes all the way out after that.

I love it. For a seatback guy. The fucking snakes, though, man. It's like an S&L sketch. They're just these little cheap puppet snakes. Like, hey, how's it going? There's like 12 of us. Yeah.

Is this doing anything for you at the devil? Jeffrey Dauber's just watching me like maybe next time I'll do something with snakes you know maybe next time I'll try some snakes I don't know it's a sad turn of events right Chris you never got the chance to try more no yeah there was ambitions I mean like that's truly that's the problem with the gem not killer and Jeffrey Dahmer's they had all these ambitions that never got really you know they never came to a fruition life doesn't usually turn out the way we expected you guys talk about Jeffrey Dahmer holy shit no we're talking about David Bowie

both iconoclasts honestly exactly absolutely gripped the imagination of but so like this is happening so yeah

Shertie Scott finally gets in and it's this kind of cool scene where you know the nurse is just like getting back to her whatever her consciousness is like ah what are you doing here

and then she's like I was waiting for you evil way and she pulls out the shears that almost cuts this girl's head off. This is funny and dull. The way this like, the yoink. Yes, the yonk is so weird.

I don't know what this effect is. Like it turns into like stop motion for a second. It looks like they like slowed down or tampered with the film stock afterwards to make it different. I don't know. It just seems unnatural. Very strange. Yeah. Like there's a way that you can do that where it's like, oh my God, she was almost decapitated.

And George Scott pushed this, you know, nurse out of the web. like you could totally do so I don't know if like they couldn't get the choreography down or what but this effect is very stupid it was yeah it just it just it kind of fuses with what should be the climax a climax in the movie yes um so again in true exorcist's three fashion george c scott has been out of the mental ward for three minutes so he's got to get his buns back there to finish the movie and you know he gets back there and um you know we this is now George C. Scott gets stuck up against the wall and they're arguing or whatever.

And, you know, he's like, believe in me, believe in me. And then this is, I got to do the whole thing. I'm sorry. It's his turn for a monologue, everyone. It is. And it's like, you're watching this fucking two-hander, man. And you're like, oh, now he's cranking up. You're like, oh, I believe.

I believe in anger and pain. I believe in cruelty and infidelity. I believe in slime and stink. And that every crawling, putrid thing, every possible ugliness and corruption. You son of a bitch, I believe in you. And he curses so much that he opens up heaven. It's really truly incredible.

All of a sudden lightning starts coming into this cell like one after the other after the other. Breaking through to what you would think is hell. I guess it is because Karris is. It's just the light. It's just the white light throws you. But like, Chris, heaven never gets off its fat ass in this. any of these movies, very true. It's just the devil comes in,

fucks with people, is raping people, cutting people's heads off, left and right, running riot on the natural world. And God's like, whatever, man, that's cool. So I guess he cursed... What was supposed to do? I guess he cursed so much that he actually impressed the devil

and he's like, alright, let's open it up. Let's open it all up here. Whoa, I was fine with all of that murder and rape and everything else, but that potty language, I'm going to come down and throw lightning bolts at you. Never seen someone so angry. We get to see the blackface Jesus statue in all of its glory here.

Of course. And that's one time where I was like, hey, man, when they described what that blackface Jesus looked like, I had it all on my head. Didn't need to see that prop come out. Look, I'm just glad that they tore that statue down. Okay. Yeah. It's not up anymore. It's down.

You know, yeah. The Gemini killer is just taking down statues. We got to give it to him. It's true. you know Father Morning wakes up here and he's like Damian you have to fight and this is it's one of the only

Jason Miller actual lines in the movie he you know Karris sort of snaps out of it Bill shoot me now kill me now and Jersey Scott just fucking blows him away man it's a pretty cool I'm gonna ask me twice

it's a great it's a great flybacks actually you got it so you went into the so he was basically restrained in this mental word. You walked in there and you shot him. Is that what I had that? Dude and that's, you know, to have

the detective, just a quick question. On October 14th, you came in and you broke the subject's nose. Okay. Uh-huh. You came in October 15th, yelled at him a bunch. Yeah, that's right. Yielded him some more. And then October 17th, you came in and shot him four times in the chest. Correct.

And you also it seems like you skin to priest alive as well, is what I'm going to guys now that wasn't me that was the devil I mean it's it's fucking great I mean dude he shoots him a bunch of times and then he goes up we do get a fucking headshot man just in case there's just one last scare

you better blow this dude's brains out it kind of rules the priest comes back to life for a second also like says some more stuff that helps I think a little bit yeah he encourages Damien to fight it he's like Damien fight so I guess you got to give Father Mourning the assist is the idea.

Ah, yeah, assist with an asterisk dude. I don't think that guy was in his right mind. I mean, half his fucking head just got ripped off. I mean, Kinderman's the Ewing here for, for sure. He's putting it to the hoop. Hey, Patrick, watch my slam done. Oh, man. And then, yeah, the light's kind of like,

and this is, it's funny, Eric, again, you're totally right on this stage play thing because it's so theatrical right here. after that all happens, all the light in the cell sort of turns back to normal, you know, all the stuff goes away, we won, now free me, blammo, you know, it all calms down. But, you know, the movie can't be restrained. We need something else, a little useless cherry on top of the burial scene for half a second. It is half. It's, yeah, I don't know why we couldn't have had a little more of this. It's very too short. Yeah, you need more or none. Yes, I agree with that. Let it stay for a minute. You know what I mean? Because, yeah, I mean, because what the tombstone is telling us here, pepperoni and sausage is, what it's, you know, it's, is, you know, date of birth, obviously. And then interesting, I didn't know we did this for, you know, people of the clergy. The year that he entered into the priesthood is on his tombstone, 1957. But it says, you know, Damien Carris died in 1975. So it's like, it's saying like, you know, what, this wasn't Damien.

You don't remember Damien Carris this way. He was dead in 1975, regardless of all this other horse shit that happened in this movie, basically. But yeah, it's like, I had to fucking actually rewind it on Shudder and just pause to look at the dates for a second because it is so fast that I didn't even like take it all in. Yeah, it's really quick. Look, you want to see what a song to swell.

Or just you have the credits over it. Yes. Yeah. and like give me maybe like a helicus it's like it's george c scott and i think grandel bush in the cemetery sure give me a chopper shot of them at the grave site you know because also what the movie in this theatrical cut doesn't explain here is why the fucking grave is open and that's because at some point in the movie george c scott has caris's body exhumed and we're told that in the casket is not caris but that other priest

that went missing that's mentioned once in this cut and thrown away that dude's body was in the coffin yeah okay so it's like because that's why else

is his fucking grave open like that there was a whole exhumation thing which was cut from the film it's a really the director's cut does a lot of fine tuning in the really smart

places you really are like places we mentioned in this episode where it could have used it like he really did know exactly what he was going for, and of course, fucking Fox fucked it up.

But, yeah, I don't, I never like this ending. I think it should just end with Carras King, his head blown off. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's Morgan Creek, by the way, escorted in handcuffs. Yes. Out of the hospital. Morgan Creek is the studio that fucked

this all up, by the way, not Fox. Oh, Morgan Creek, sorry. Oh, Fox just served as the distributor for it. Anyway, so that is the end of the Exorcist three. We'll go around the horn here. Start with you. Chris Cabin. Thoughts. and final thoughts and recommendations.

Oh, big recommendation. I really do like this movie quite a bit. There are, you know, it's not perfect for sure. And I think at least the first time I saw it, a lot of it was coming off of Exodus 2, which is a dog and terrible. Yeah. But in response, I think this is very good.

And like a lot of this stuff, and like I could see why people would say, like, it has a very theatrical quality to it. But like, to me, they use the close-ups, correctly to make it not feel that way at all. Like to me, I wasn't feeling like I was just waiting for people to talk. Like, I was taking in the space for a lot of it.

And I think this is a movie that's about is eerie. And like all the little notes and all the little things that are like maybe a little annoying are also things that make the mood more interesting. Like, this is a movie where I actually believe like this world has been inhabited by the devil.

Little weird things are happening all the time. It just struck me. All of it struck me as very good on mood and not so good on deaths so i understand that and that is why it's a four not a five for me uh eric cisco yeah it's not a recommend for me i just feel like i i brad d'riff god tier george c scott always a fun guy to bring to a party um i there's elements i like here i think it would work as a stage play i don't think it's very cinematic i feel like it's a stage play that's being filmed as a television movie or something i

I just, there's too many, a few things too, too much that I can't get fully behind this movie, but I understand why people like it. Totally. Steve Saneck. Yeah, it's a light recommend for me because the first time I saw it, I think it's, I liked it less the second time, like I said. I did the first time I was kind of more intrigued with it last night. I was a little less so, so I'm going to split the difference to say light recommend.

I agree with a lot of things Eric's said. I also like, I love The Exorcist. I just do. I love the original. It's like one of my favorite movies, period. Already said it's very cozy. This movie does speak to a lot of those things. So like it's interesting. But I also like the ending of that movie is so final. It's just your classic like there should have never been a sequel. Like you know what I mean? Like oh yeah. When you see Father Dyer just crying about that fucking son of a bitch, you know what I mean? Like knowing his friend is dead and like the fact that these two guys are like, hey, let's go to the movies. It's like this sort of beautiful. homage to, not even homage to sentiment to the idea of like what movies can do. And then

to be like, yeah. And then later on, no, no, no, actually, the devil went back into his body. And it's like, all right, I got it. Yeah, I got it, guys. And I also, by the way, I will say I turned off Exodus 2 because I was so fucking bored. So this is way better than that. So there you go. Light recommend.

Yeah, man. I would say big recommend for me. I dig on this film. Chris, I like what you said about this movie really feels like the devil is in the world. And I think what's interesting is, and it's not a fault of the first movie, but it feels way more centralized.

Yes. As far as where the Eval is located, so much so that it feels like it's entirely inside this townhouse in Georgetown. But like this movie, because granted, it's not a ton of locations, like we were saying, but you know, you're going to different places

and, you know, because of like the falling down or fallen rather body jumping and all of it it makes it feel like the devil's got his hands in more pies around the community still all within Georgetown apparently but you know it just

it feels a little wider in that way but yeah the exercise it's just it is one of my favorite movies I love the score so much it is a bummer that they only put it in a little bit here at the beginning like have that shit roll over the credits please because it's we got some churchy sound in

opera shit. Get that out of this movie. Come on. Oh, yeah. It's fucking great. It's fucking great. But there you go. 50-50-ish here on We Hate Movies, folks. And you know what? That's totally okay. We just had an adult conversation about a motion picture. That is going to do it for this episode. If you want more, we hate movies. Of course, check out patreon.com slash we hate movies. We got a We Love Movies episode on that feed. All about John Carpenter's OG. 1978 Halloween. Fabulous film. Fabulous episode. the spooktacular is underway of course

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With our good friends, James Janice and Chelsea Rebecca from the Dead Beat podcast and YouTube channel. And the only thing we can think to talk about is leprechaun too do you think do you think our good dead meat friends were like you know

we're fucking horror experts those guys love horror movies too why are we just their lepracron well you know what like in a horror movie you get cursed sometimes

that is very right so until next week when we welcome our dead meat friends back on the program I'm Andrew Jupin Steven Say that Eric Siska Chris Cavan take it easy

We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's entitled one good scare. Sometimes, dead is better. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in! It is time to keep your appointment with the Wickham Man. They're coming to get you.

Having to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fucks. He's seen one too many movies. Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos. Or create a... Put the fucking lotion in the bag. That's an excellent day for an exorcism.

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