We Hate Movies - S14 Ep706: Psycho (1960, W❤️M)

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

“This is one of those movies I wish I could’ve seen opening night in 1960” - Eric On this week’s episode, We ❤️ Movies Month kicks off with a total banger as the guys discuss the prequel to Psycho II, Alfred Hitchcock’s Psycho! How great is this Bernard Herrmann score? Is Marion eating a cheese and mayonnaise sandwich? Would the film have been as good if Norman was cast more book-accurate (middle-aged drunk)? And would Hitch have enjoyed modern fast food like the baconator? PLUS: Norman Bates tangles with the Skeleton League and their new ally, Swamp Thing! Psycho stars Anthony Perkins, Janet Leigh, Vera Miles, John Gavin, John McIntire, Simon Oakland, Frank Albertson, Patricia Hitchcock, Vaughn Taylor, Lurene Tuttle, John Anderson, Mort Mills, and Martin Balsam as Det. Milton Arbogast; directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Today’s episode is sponsored by Factor. Head to FACTOR MEALS dot com slash whm50 and use code whm50 to get 50% off. That’s code whm50 at FACTOR MEALS dot com slash whm50 to get 50% off! Be sure to get tickets for the WHM Holiday Extravaganza where we’re talking The Santa Clause on 12/7 at White Eagle Hall in Jersey City! Want more WHM? Join our Patreon fam today and instantly unlock hours and hours of exclusive bonus content, including Ad-Free WHM Prime at the $8 level and up! Check out the WHM Merch Store featuring new Polish Decoy, ‘Jack Kirby’, and Forrest the Universal Soldier designs! 

This week on the program, we're talking about Mike Pence's favorite movie. It's Psycho. I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Sadek. Erico. Chris Cabin. And we love movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to We Love Movies. Thank you for tuning in as always. That's right. It is the official start of We Love Movies Month here on the show. We are flipping and flopping the lineup. Everything in the WHM prime feed. this month. Well, it's all we love movies, baby. We're getting started with Psycho from

1960, directed by Alfred Hitchcock. A little known motion picture, but we figured, you know. Sir, by the way. What? What? Sir. He was knighted. I was, I was not aware. Oh, that's great. That's fantastic. Oh, great. I've been tasked with finding the Holy Grail. Oh, this does not appeared to be the cup of a carpenter. Could you, could you help me up my knees? My knees are filling with fluid. Would you help me up? That dragon is just, he's completely out of focus.

I can't do anything. And I certainly would be slaying him many times. We warned you to not take the MacGuffin across the seal. So what are we talking about? We're talking about Benny Hills, what movie? Psycho, Benny Hills. Psycho. Sir Benny Hills Psycho. Dude, they're just all

running really fast out of all the motel rooms back and forth. The mummy comes out at one point. Well, with this Bernard Herman's score, I'd be running. Oh, it's so good. It's great. And you know what? And like we said, maybe it was last year when we did North by Northwest, a fucking full on title sequence

to beat that band. Even in black and white, it's gorgeous. Yes, I'm also, you know what? Just to bring these things back, I am willing to bring back. I am willing to bring back in the animated opening. Oh, a cartoon opening? Yeah, cartoon openings. If it brings us

some of these back, I'm willing to see those as well. I thought you meant for this, where it'd be like fat, Hitchcock cartoon bump and shit. Hitting the fucking car. I was pissed. I just saw the killer last weekend. Fincher's new one.

No cartoon opening? No, but I went to the bathroom and I came back in the middle of an honest to goodness credit sequence. I'm like, holy shit, it's a fincher credit sequence and I missed half of it. Oh, shit. That sucks, man. Yeah. But I'm happy to hear that the credits are back. Not animated though, huh? No. You know, Fitzger

we're moving around a room kind of a thing, you know. Okay. That would have been a fun one, right? Because he's dressed like Mr. Magoo in that movie. Yeah, exactly. We have awesome credit sequence here. Can I tell you one time, actually, the most recent time I saw this before this morning, we saw it at Lincoln Center the New York Phil did a live score like that to it

and it was fucking rocking man and something I hadn't even thought about until they like like the conductor came out and set it was that it's a score and of course once I say this you'd be like duh or maybe you're smarter than me and you recognize this like it's all strings

there's no percussion there's nothing else this entire score of strings it was so super cool watching them play this fucking thing But, I mean, even at home, this score will get you ready to watch a movie, which is its job. Was Lydia Tar conducting? Was that where she is now? No, she was at the Five Nights at Freddy's cosplay contest doing that orchestration.

The synthesizer off. But yeah, the score is brought restrained. You know, we're not, we're just doing strings. We're also, he's hitch is scaling back some scope here. We don't have, you know, Carrie Grant or. or James Stewart types. Yeah, this was like a famously low budget movie and

he had already started doing the Hitchcock present show. So he was like very fluent in like making cool TV shit on the cheap. And it's amazing like they you know, I don't think they intentionally tried to like sideline him by giving him

a small budget, but it's like, I don't know, here's a risky title. This is the money you have to do with what you will. And he still knocks it out of the fucking Park with no money. Well, I mean, it's, it reminds you, like, you know, you watch some of those old Twilight Zone's and those Alfred Hitchcock presents. You're like, this is as good as any, like, you know,

horror movie that you could have, you know what I mean? Like, those, like, 20-minute little masterpieces, kinds of things. And I think that, like, on that shoe string and actually, there's, like, quite a few, uh, twilight zone actors kind of, uh, sprinkled throughout here. Definitely. It just, it has that vibe, which is kind of fantastic. And it just sort of like, I think the black and white helps a lot. I mean, obviously, like, the question of, like, would color have been

too gory would have been to whatever it just sort of it sets this thing in a in sort of a in a tone that is just so for lack of a better word cool not in the cool way but like cool and like a from an emotional standpoint it's very cool

it's scarier I think I don't think it would be as scary in color especially I think of to focus you on the shadows rather than like stuff in that if you look at the where Lilo where Sam works, the hardware store. That's like a West Anderson hardware store. If you're looking at how things are placed on like the wall

like knives are in these like little triplets that are like in corners of one frame. It's like yeah. So I think I would just be like looking at all that rather than focusing on the heart of it, which is these characters dealing with this mystery and finding out about Norman and all of his little weird stuff. Right. It's definitely not Mr. Gower's crap shack he had in that for that, oh my god, it's a wonderful life, yes. Oh, old Mr. Gower's dressing up

as his dead mother and killing people in town. Oh, geez. Oh, that would make sense, man. That guy could bust in the air. He could probably do much worse, too. Yeah, I think that would be the third reality. I think of, like, George lived past. Like, he lived to be like eight.

I think that, like, not that it never existed at all, but if you lived to be about eight years old, Mr. Gower would have dressed up as his own mother started brandering people. Mr. Gower, just with a bunch of Willie Nelson wigs in his bump it up on his arm being like, I'm going to be baits.

I'm going to become Norma. Also, the black and white here, this movie starts off like a film noir very much in those tropes, and maybe it's the nail in the coffin of those. But I think that is very effective to draw you in. You're almost

watching what you seem to think is a pedestrian kind of story at first. And what we have is a really intensely erotic opening here. Like this is like dude specifically for the time but not even for the time really just like it is two people who have fucked

their way through lunch and it's like it's a real I love it Sam it might not be the first line of it might be the second liner something Sam's like huh I didn't even have time to eat your lunch it's like I fucked your brains out you hungry yet baby too busy eating dick excuse me

gonna re-energize with a big chop of pastrami here get right back to you. I'll tell you what, man, it is super sexy. Still to this day you're seeing Janet Lee, like, you know, getting ready to button up or whatever. I was like speaking of no one's own.

That bra is very sharp. It is. Very pointy, as was the style at the time. That's what I called them. Yeah. Watch out. It'll put your eyes out. Get away from your seat. Good back, boys. Apparently,

Hitchcock was never happy with John Gavin's performance of Sam Loomis, he would refer to him as the Stiff on set. Oh, get the stiff in there. I could see that. Yeah, yeah. It's not long.

It's sort of a thankless role to begin with. You know what I mean? You're just sort of like the beleaguered, good, intentioned boyfriend. You know what I mean? I don't know how you, I mean, to me, I don't know how, I mean, after the first, like, 30 minutes, it's all perkin. Like, he's the lightning rod.

I don't see how you, like, it's hard to even, like, Lila, she just pretty good, but like, yeah, like, Sam, like, he's just, I mean, he's very handsome. Let's put it that way. He's very nice to look at, listening to him and pretending he's a human, not so great, but, but you know, Chris, like 30 minutes exactly, I think is when Perkins shows on screen. But John Gavin, interesting life. Apparently, did you read about this, Andrew at all, that he was going to be James Bond at some point, an American playing James Bond? Oh, wow, I didn't know that. That would have been awful.

He was finally signed for a role after Laysenby left, and they put a stop to it because he wasn't British or whatever. But I think he was all paid for it or whatever. Eventually, he became the ambassador of Mexico under Reagan. Oh, weird life. Yeah. That's interesting. I'll get my old buddy John down there to sort them out. You'd sort them out like you sorted out Norman Bates.

You know, he was supposed to be the American. James Bond, Jefferson Pigman. Oh, man. Pigman, Jefferson, Big Man. I'll have that whiskey with dirt in it. That is America. That is America. Because, you know, we had a lot of British stuff wrong,

and this is the other side of the coin. By the way, Hitchcock, I was wrong for correcting you, Andrew, saying, sir, at the top. I just Googled it. He was knighted in 1980. at 80 years old he got knighted by Queen Elizabeth the second. Yes, I am going

to need a lift up afterwards. Oh gosh, you got my ear. Get me those straps you used to move a piano. Wow, so actually, so he was knighted the year he died then. He also kicked off in 1980. Wow, that's awesome. That's what did him in right there. It was the injury to the knee that did it.

Well, don't they bring down like a giant sword? Yes. Maybe the old. broad slipped and nicked something. Oh, that's a joke from King Ralph. Does he do that in King, I'm pretty sure I'm sure. I'm sure. I think so. Most of what I say

is derived from King Ralph in one way or not. Long overdue, by the way. That's why you're always talking about Burger King. Did Hitchcock live to see King Ralph or no? No, he died 1980. Oh, that's a shame. He was in the middle of pre-production on the third

remake of the man who knew too much. he's going to go for trio. If he lasted 11 more years, he could have seen King Rao. Damn. He was looking up from hell just like, oh, I can't believe I missed that one. But so, yeah, they have fucked through lunch. They had sex for lunch.

I love sex for lunch. Thanks so much. Oh, yeah. We'll take it upstairs, too. Yeah, we'll just. You know, they say, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, what's the line? You never did eat your lunch, did you? And then there's a shot of the lunch.

Total Firefest lunch, man. This sandwich is disgusting. Yeah, I'd rather be fucking too. It was 1960, dude, you're talking about her big thing is like, you know, because, you know, obviously they are, it's an unmarried situation. Sam's got a sob story about he's divorced and he's paying all this alimony and Lou Ann, wherever she might be or whatever. Literally not living in the country anymore.

Yeah, dude. She's still getting all these hardware monies. I love it. Exactly. Exactly. But the food, like her thing is like, you know, because what they're doing is irrespectable. And she's trying to maybe bring them into respectability. It's like what I'd like you to do is come to my house, meet my sister, we'll have the picture of my mother on the wall. Yikes, by the way.

And we'll broil a steak for three. That is the height of 1960s cuisine. It's true. Broiling a steak for three. Absolutely. And the other thing of like that time, like, yeah, come over and you're just going to like have this awkward dinner with me and my sister. And it's going to be like, here's my new boyfriend. He's freshly divorced. We definitely haven't been fucking Vera Miles. Don't worry about that. Like what I'm like, I hear that line and I'm like, what awkward situation that would be for Sam Loomis. I mean, they're sharing a steak for three that is also probably pumped with chemicals that DuPont wouldn't look at. you better finish it or else you can't eat your jello mold afterwards. It's supposed to glow like that. No, it's supposed to glow. It's got it. It's a healthy thing for that to happen.

More milk. Would you like more milk with your steak? You can drink some milk when you have your steak, right? Oh, Sam, we're in a little bit of a rush. Why don't you just put all that gristle in the milk and drink it all at once? Well, that's how the protein shake was invented. Yeah. You got to finish that gristle.

I do enjoy a good gristle shake. Oh my Cristled milk please Oh what is this Oh my God I missed King Ralph And what is it I missed the great outdoors

Oh my God The raccoons are talking My God Pardon me Another thing I've missed from hell There's a double Quarter pounder with cheese Oh damn

And now I I wouldn't have had to Have just ordered two At the same time And combine them together As was my habit when eating McDonald's. The king of burgers not only has a chicken sandwich,

but an Italian chicken sandwich with marinera sauce on it. I must have them by the triple. That's, that's, uh, Hitch's hell. It's actually just watching all these fast food commercials. Oh, no, I would have loved that. What a bacon ate her? Good God. I truly was born.

ahead of my time. They should knight the baganator at this point. I am so sick of the devil bringing the mickri back taking it away. When I've never even tasted the damn thing, I still have to know when it comes back in circulation.

I can't go to the last secret Papaginos because it's in heaven. And they won't let me up there to go and get a slice from Papagino. Wait a minute, wait a minute. A double down, you say. You replace the bread with

fried chicken tenders. Amazing. You know, I went to the craft services once and I tried to invent that but they said I was mad. I'm mad, I tell you. But, you know, obviously this is like, we're pushing

what is left of the Hayes code as far as we can go because they have clearly had sex. Like they are, oh yeah. It's not, we're not doing, you know, twin beds and just you know what I mean like they are oh no it's a single bed she's in like a slip laying on it like they're going to leave and she's like I'm going to go ahead of you like we're not going to leave this hotel at the same time I'm late and used to left to put your shoes on

which means they were off because we were having hot hotel sex right before no shoes on even I mean even the language that's not talking about directly about sex is very sexual that when he talks about sweating out debts and sweating out all these things but when she says I'll lick the stamps Jesus H. Christ I mean when she says put your shoes on she might as well be also saying

and your dick is out by the way. Yeah exactly I think you know for today's audiences it might not seem as hot but it is like licking stamps it's as hot as you could get in 1960 it's a 1960 Janet Lee let's just put out put that out there and look at a stamp.

Sorry, Marion. I was in the bathroom pissing on my own used condom. That which I then flushed down the toilet. Now, let's talk about our relationship. Let's get out of here, Marion, before they come in and realize they definitely have to change the sheets.

Let's go. There's the stank in here. All right, we open on a huge condom and urine is spraying upon it in a toilet seat. Oh, my God. Oh, wait, I can't do that. Well, then you could

cut to like the dead eye slowly and twirl around and kind of compare it to the condom in the dream. It's kind of like a Meliase prestige,

you know, very magical and the condom in the piss. But very specifically they want to be together and they can't because of all of Sam's financial limitations

you can't take care of her and it's like 60 so it's kind of the whole scenario, you know what I mean? And like, he says even like if we got together

you'd have to, yeah, you could live, I guess, he is living is in the storeroom of his own hardware store. Yep. Which may be above a bowling alley and beneath another bowling alley.

He's sleeping on a cot that also houses like the most recent crate of nails that was delivered to the store. You know what I mean? This dude lives a shitty life. And I think part of it too is he's also like, they don't really talk about it, but I think it's there.

Especially with the time. He's like, your job, Marion, is better than mine right now. And I can't. can't fucking have that. Yes. I can't really not. I can't steal no $40,000 from the hardware store. I ain't never had no $40,000 in the hardware store. That's what's so interesting to me and like, you know, I've seen this movie, I don't know, it would be six or seven times, but things, details you always kind of misremember. Like, I always remember it as Marian pulling off a scam that she had been cooking for a while. But I love the way, I love that it's not

that, that it is this sort of like completely serendipitous thing. Like, obviously we've just said it up by explaining exactly her money woes and how much this money could mean to her kind of a thing. And then it just walks in. The opportunity falls in her lap. Yes. Yes. And she runs with it. It's sort of like a film noir kind of

Oh, no. It absolutely is. Yeah. Like couple having sex out of wedlock, money problems, shitty ex-wife. Like, it would just tilt full noir if it was like, now we just have to kill her. Right? But that's not where it goes. She goes back to work after

the sexy lunch break. And yes, she works for a real estate office in the downtown Phoenix there. Lowry real estate. George Lowry. Mr. Lowry is almost back from his lunch date with Mr. Cassidy, the latest high rolling spender here. But she walks in and here's her co-worker Caroline played by Pat Hitchcock. Oh, man. Give this lady the fewer lines the better. I think she has fun with it. Nepo baby piece of shit. No, no, she's fine. The tranquilizer's thing is funny. Yes, it's a funny little bit about, like, oh, I have tranquilizers and blah, blah, blah.

Like, she's like, oh, did anybody call us? Like, well, Tom called for me. And then my mom called to see if Tom had called. It's just kind of, I don't know, I was. It's funny, but here's my thing with Pat Hitchcock, because she's been in a few his movies over the years. She, like, she sort of looks like the mother, Alma Revel, but she also. also really looks like Hitchcock, and more importantly, kind of has like the same accent as him. So it's kind of like a little like little Hitchcock and it always freaked me out.

It just always freaked me out with her. But it is very funny and all this stuff about like, yes, Mother, you know, give me the tranquilizers and whatever else. It's a good script. I miss the, what do you call it there? The cameo. I didn't see it. I didn't see his cameo. And I think he's like right here.

Right outside. Yeah. she's apparently in a cowboy hat by the way. That's what FDB had me believe. I didn't see it. He's looking good, man. My man's looking good. Yehow.

Backing bronco. You wear a cowboy hat. You shouldn't be able to get knighted by the Queen of England. Yeah, that's true. At any time. Oh, I got another letter from Pat. She says, oh my God, they're putting cheese in the crust now. Oh, no, this, yeah, he's, it's a cowboy hat.

It's kind of like a more of a modern cowboy hat. He looks like a guy that would be standing right behind Lee R.V. Oswald when he got shot. Yeah. That's the kind of cowboy hat we're going. He's just slowly walk him down the parking lot to his death or whatever, yeah. Oh, hey, Oswald. Yeah, yeah, totally.

This is, yeah, this is like, it's not so much a cowboy as like a dude who works in law enforcement who believes himself to be a cowboy. That's the kind of cowboy hat we're talking about. You know, the slowest gun in Hollywood. You can say it. He looks pathetic. It's a pathetic look. It's a really, it's a sad and pathetic look. And like, he's the director, so I get it. It's fine. He's having a little fun. Yeah, he's having a fun. He's having a little fun time. Well, I mean, at least he's not like his boy there, M. Night Shamelon, who needs fucking 30 lines, 30 lines of cabio.

Nope. And I'm sorry for what I did to you and yours. I'm sorry. as he's got more popular over the years he was like people are looking for it and they're distracting from the movie I will just be at the top everyone can have a laugh and then we can get on with it I'm like M night showing up at like the ass end of the village

and all that shit man no thanks no get it over with buddy he didn't have a pat to shove in there so that's your problem news but yes they come back from a four they had a married at a sex lunch they had a whiskey lunch for sure

A real whiskey lunch. 1960s cocktail lunch. Lunch was great back then, right? Lunch was great. Lunch sucks now. Like, you know, sex and whiskey. One or the other or both maybe during lunch back in the day?

Now what is it like a, you know, a little sandwich from some fucking shop? I mean, you can still have a whiskey lunch. What they were having and what you can't have anymore is a whiskey and slurs lunch. I mean, you've got this Cassidy guy who is from Texas, who

looks like he likes he's a he's very into language i'll say it that way well of course he is he's got away with words dude he comes and he goes boy it's hotter than fresh milk out there what a gross thing oh man just thinking about that milk coming out of that hot utter and i'm curious because who did it in the uh larry i never really thought about that i guess milk comes out like hot like piss huh yeah yeah yeah it's from a body really just colors milk for me. Oh, no. I was huge drop by Gus Van Sant because this guy has such

Oh God. What's his name? Bill Murray's older brother. Brian. Brian Doyle Murray Energy and voice. He's got the rass. But like that is the guy to do your shot for shot remake. Sure. Yeah. It's kind of just a nobody who plays that. Yeah. Chad Everett. I never actually saw the shot for shot remake. I saw it precisely once

and I didn't think much of it I know a lot of people like it Come on down to Cassidy's Arcade Exactly Well you see sweetheart She's got a bow in her hair That's why I'm giving you $40,000 So yes

So Cassidy is Buying a house For his daughter Who's about to be married My baby 40K It's disgusting all the shit Oh my little baby

is growing up tomorrow she's going to get married and she won't be my baby no more. But it's but it's so like it's such a perfect thing for Marion to be like fuck this guy you know I like to bring it around I don't carry anything I can't afford to lose $40,000

to get my baby up she's 18 by the way she's about to get married to the love of her life like two nails two nails in fucking Marion Crane's coffin already and then it's like she's never known a hard day in her entire life And if she did, I'd buy it away.

And it's like, I'm going to buy it away. Oh, yeah, well, well, I had sex for lunch. I had eight and a half inches for lunch, all right? Did you bring any of that leftover? There's a tsunami for me. A little bite of sex. It looks like subway ripped you off. Okay.

I'm going to buy it for my little baby. Would you like to be my little baby? I could make you in a crib and be my little baby. what does he say to her? He goes, sometimes I can keep my mouth shut. Yeah, oh yeah, dude. When I'm fucking motorboating. And what that's what that means is I don't go down on any women.

Of course. I looked it up, by the way, $40,000 in 1960 was just about $416,000. Not too fucking shabby. Pretty good. I think that's the thing is like she takes the money and gets out of there and she's working there for 10 years, you know? I mean, why wouldn't you throw away 10 years of your life for $400,000? Oh, God. Yeah, exactly. I do it right now. I would do exact same things. For George Lowry? I mean, for this piece of shit, are you serious? Like, come on. For the money. What's wrong? What's wrong with Lowry? I don't know. He kind of seems boring.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I was there. She, but basically, like, it's, yeah, he gives a 40 grand. She, she's like, oh, you know, I think George I'll bring that right to the bank. And she's like, oh, by the way, I have this headache. I'm probably just going to go home. And like, it's just so interesting. Like, it's very clear. Like, she has the idea of she's not entirely sure what she wants to do with it yet. Like, it's all this, a lot of internal acting, which I really appreciate.

That's why it's so much better than it instead of, like, what you misremembered as Steve is like this long con. Because the, the opportunistic, like, seat of her pants, like, oh, my God, I'm doing that, you know. Yes, exactly. The rush of all that, the will I won't. kind of a thing. I do like so. It's like, oh, me and your boss are going to go inside. He's got the air-conditioned office, of course,

not out here. And it's like, we're going to go in there and drink some more whiskey. You take the rest of the day off or whatever. And like, they go in the office. And Pat Hitchcock, I have to say, I was giving her a little bit of guff, but this is a funny line where he's like, oh, wow. She goes, he was

hitting on you. It wasn't hitting on me. Must have seen my wedding ring. Yes. Yes. I made a joke in my own film about how my own daughter is homely, you see. Now, me and George are going to go and hang out in here in the AC room, and we're going to read the first pornographic magazine, the cheeky broad. Well, I want to go into Georgia's office. I heard he's got air conditioning in there.

I heard so much about it. I want to see what all the fuss is about. Conditioned air. What? I thought it would make my hair all soft and silky. Oh, so just, it's just cold air. Why don't they just call it the air cooler? What's the conditionate?

What is it? Great question, actually. How we landed on conditioner for that device. I don't know. Also, what if I'm a shampooing there? Well, what if I can cheap skate? The, like, the rest of the office, like where the two of them are sitting, not that much more square footage, you cheap fuck.

Yeah. But that's two units, dude. that's that's two different units and yeah 1960 air conditioner would shake the entire building and that's one less champagne dinner for Lowry if he has to get that thing up there

he's not going to allow that shit so I mean good on her having this filthy sex and tort affairs and then getting all this money and getting out of town almost the perfect crime we also learned that her sister is at a town for some reason like

there's just a dropped line that Patricia Hedcock I was like, oh, your sister called, she'll be out of town all weekend. So it's like, she doesn't even need to say goodbye to anybody. She's just fucking out. Yeah. We see her packing up her suitcase and, you know, if you are into reading film semiotics or whatever, like this wardrobe tells you that she has made the decision because in the previous scene, her undergarments were all white, aka, you know,

innocence. Now she's wearing black. Misdeeds are about to be done or have decided to be done. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and you could, someone, I guess, could go off and be like, okay, that's like, traditional, that's lame, that's simple. But, like, honestly, you get all this decision making and it's pretty potent almost all through images. It's not, and, like, I don't have to listen to any, like, you go to a donut shop and you hear about, like, some friends get, friend, friend of a friend getting arrested for something. And then decide you're not going to do it or do it.

Like, that shit's lame. Like, this is actually, like, making me pay attention to what is in the. the frame is what's important. And they do that. And a fucking Bernard Herman score that is just fucking off the rails already. You know what I mean? The score is just going nuts. And beautiful photography. Yeah. I mean, you could just make it all silent. I would still love this movie. Well, so much of this movie is dialogue free. But at this point, yeah, you're right. Like, she's not standing in the middle of the apartment going, you know what? I'll do it. I'll steal the $40,000. That would drive me insane. By the way, of the many influences this movie has

had many imitators to the throne. I will say one of the great things that it has influence is the Buster Rhymes classic Give me some more. Because that Bernard Herman's score really gets put to use. So he sampled that, huh? Yeah, it's just the strings over and over

with a small jazz sample in between. It's really good. I can't recall that too. But I also think that would be this beginning, not unlike what of my, not even my most rented movie from Blockbuster Video

from Dust Till Dawn the beginning before the weird shit happens totally works as its own movie like you know what I mean you could just watch her go off and like you know either have maybe Sam gets involved

and you know what I mean like there's a whole movie there it could just be the straight film noir like it's set up as a film noir and could continue to be that and yeah it decides to take a left hand turn into a completely different genre just like that movie does. Yes.

Which I think is fascinating. So she gets in the car and this is, man, I love this. The whole like, I'm skipping work and, uh-oh, I saw somebody from work. Oh, this is you're boss? It's the worst fucking thing in the world. I'd be like, shit, shit, shit. Absolutely. And it's like, you got to be like, I don't know, man.

I fucking ran out of toilet paper and I had the shits and I had to go to the store and get more. Sorry, Mr. Lowry. Well, that's the problem right there is because that's what he has done. He has now forced you to spend. then at least part of the whatever day you have in front of you having to cook up some fucking story to him to tell it like what the fuck I was out there yeah like as you say like maybe I had to take a shit maybe I had to go get a rotissory chicken who knows take a shit in my car in the middle of downtown Phoenix that look I like I like I like the fucking bathrooms at

Sotheby's okay that would be me though like I'd be so nervous about this you know you got the 40 grand and you see your boss like oh fucking I'm like I'm taking this shit and he did toilet paper I'm just like screaming in the street from my car accidentally buy $40,000 with a toilet paper in the moment I mean I think in this scenario I'd be scared and I'd go right to the bank

could be a good boy Oh yeah just yeah just chicken shit out Yeah for sure Probably yeah Anybody try to ever like play hooky And get caught seeing someone On the outside Where you shouldn't be

School not just work I did but it was from Buy someone at the company I liked and who liked me so we were fine. So he was just like, oh, hey man. I was like,

oh, hey. And that was it. What were you skipping work for? I just called out sick, even though I wasn't. You had to show shit. Yeah. Classic move.

I think I was seeing a girl. That's, I mean, in the age of social media, like they think there were a couple times, like early on social media where it was like, yeah,

oh, definitely can't come in today. And then, like, posted about like doing something that night that was totally rocking. And I was like, oh, wait. That was a mistake.

Well, that's, I mean, like, thank God I didn't grow up with social media because then I would post shit like that and you'd get in trouble immediately and you'd get fucked up. That's true. If this movie took place from 1960, did it now,

she would be taking selfies with the money and being like, because he stole $40,000 from her job. She'd be posting photos of her lunch, which is just sex. To her only fans. Yep. So she, you know,

drives on into the night. You know, I love all this driving footage, the score behind it. And we don't have the imagined conversations yet, right? Not just yet. Yeah. Yeah. But she pulls over. It's a, this movie, I mean, funny enough, you know, the comparison, I mean, this could be, it could have aired as like a multi-part television thing.

There's like literally commercial breaks built into it by the use of the the fades to black. This is one of them. You see her like get a little drowsy and her eyes kind of start to close and fades to black and it's like you know. Don't. Don't. Psycho brought to you by Winchester Cigarettes. Don't say this, Andrew. This is going to end in a Mike Flanagan mini

series of Psycho and I'm going to lose my fucking mind. I don't think so, Chris, because they already made that abysmal television show. Gates Motel. Oh God, yes. No way. I watch two episodes of that and check the fuck out of that motel. No, no, thank you. By the way, a very different movie. Honestly,

Mary and Crane is lucky that she is stabbed in a shower the next night because what could have happened to her sleeping on the side of the highway is way, way worse. Like I will take getting stabbed in the shower. Really? By a dude dressed like his own mother

as opposed to, I don't even know what fucking hellbilly. Exactly. Some hellbilly deluxe shit. You think that's like that's an either or like you have to be murdered in the shower or if you sleep too long on the side of that highway, my hellbillies are pulling you out of there.

Exactly. You're getting fucking T-boned by a dragula. Yeah. You could drag into the back of someone's dracula. And then like, you'll be our new mother. God knows what. You know what I mean? You're impregnated with some fucking demon seed. It gets bad out there, folks.

You mentioned the hellbillies. And this kind of has that similar vibe of like you're far out of town. It's this desolate area. And that's where the creeps are. This is sort of like Texas chains on. I mean driving from Arizona, California. I mean, I guess so. But I think what you're probably thinking more, I mean, Dennis Raider was only one man. You know, he wasn't an army. Like, you can't be everywhere at once. Yeah, like, yeah, every parked car isn't going to be

attacked by Dennis Raider. Like, it's not going to happen. Well, this is like, that guy. It's pre-Zodi too, you know. Yeah, way pre-Zodi. This is. Ed Geener Bust, basically, is what we got in the, he was too far north for, for Marion Crane, unfortunately. Well, I would, but I would definitely pick Ed Gein. If I'm going to get murdered by someone, I don't get murdered by someone who uses my bones for use. You know, does make some good

furniture out of me, that's great. Use the whole cow kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. I respect that. The whole buffalo, yeah. All parts of the hog. Absolutely. But some some nosy ass cop. She is really giving it to this nosy ass cop, by the way. It's great.

Yeah, this, this T-1000 looking motherfucker banging on the window, man. It's also a weird, like, he's driving by and then, like, sees that it's an empty car and it's like a hello and he does a quick, like, reverse in this car. This bulky ass old 1950s police car, man, this thing looks fucking. He probably just drives up. He sees a woman pass out. Another sex crime.

Better check it out. Oh, Dennis didn't get here yet. Damn. Maybe I can do something. Looks like somebody had lunch for dinner. Pull over here. Check this out. The shots of him, like, shoving his nose and the.

her business is great because his nose is so huge in these shots. Yes. Well, it keeps like, yeah, like the close-up keeps getting more and more extreme as the conversation gets more intense. And she's got some great lines where she goes, I'm in a hurry and you're taking up my time.

Yes. Woof, dude. But I love the blackness of the glasses though. Yeah. And how that really defines his personality from the get-go and you get exactly what this character is and is for like the two sequences he's in.

Well, she, this is a one-two shot, a one-two punch of Marion fucking this up royally. Yep. Gop wakes you up, be like, oh, my, and she does say like, oh, you know, I accidentally, you know, slapped and blah, blah, you got to eat a little shit here, Marion. You just got to be, you got to listen to the lecture and be like, you're totally right officer. Next time. Oh, thank you so much for saving my life.

Exactly. You're a hero as you drive away. Like, stroke this dude's ego. And the way she fucks up with California, Charlie, I can't even begin. I can't even begin. That's fucking, that's that's preschool shit, Marion. And California Charlie is not the hardest dude you got to deal with. But you fuck it up royally.

So like, yeah, this dude takes her license for like two seconds. Gets a look at this license plate, which says anal 7.09, which is pretty wild. It's my old car. Might as well use it. Yes, my personalized plates. Anal 709. Hey, Pat. Your mom did anal.

Oh, my God. Yeah, he's the ass man. Alma, anal, not so different, really. So she speeds off here. And this is where we get her driving. And she's, it's kind of interesting because, like, you know, they read as like she's thinking about these imagined conversations, you know, what could they be saying about me?

But also, like, it could be audio ripped directly. I mean, they're so, like, right spot on, you know, like, first it's like the, uh, Mr. Mr. Lowell there or whatever, the real estate guy, um, and his, uh, talking with Carolina. Oh, she didn't come in yet. Oh, I called the house, blah, blah, blah, all that kind of conversation. And like, just that sort of, the paranoid thinking is just exacerbated by the only thing you're hearing outside of that, which is, you know, it like, music. as the driving force in this I mean any other kind of score

I feel like the tension is not there I mean especially for these kinds of scenes I'd be great if that music was that was diogenic and that that was what she was listening you know I got to calm down this this is not relaxing me we go to the lesson Any way you want no right yeah

that's the way you need it You totally write those Steve about that because there's the part where so when she's like you know all right yeah have a good day fuck off pig she speeds off and as soon as she hits the gas pedal, the music kicks back in and she's back on the road. And it's like, did you just turn the radio back? What is

this tape deck? Also, I just love to like, she's getting away from this cop and the cop is following her for a little bit. And it's like, oh boy, been there. Oh, man. Oh, thank God. How long am I looking in my rear view? Exactly. Thank God he gets off at that next exit. But then he follows her somehow again.

She finds her. Gets to California Charlie's and she pulls off here. Now, yeah it's see the problem with with marion's whole plan here is like the timing of everything right and like this uh this urgency that only she has put on the situation yeah right the paranoia of like they're right behind me this whole time and here again with california charlie you're rushing this guy and like you know it is the mission of a used car salesperson to keep you at that lot all day and waste your day and fucking wear you down and do you finally agree to whatever bonus things, you know. You won't be having any sex for lunch today. We've got to negotiate. I love that. He's like, oh, I don't want to need trouble.

He's like, what the fuck. And he's like, oh, you know what they say? The first customer is always trouble. She's like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, God, kill me. You know what they say is the first customer always stole $40,000. They always say that around the, uh, the old car salesman, uh, circuit.

They always say the old used car salesman routine, you know, the first woman on the lot's probably a thief. And so she winds up, you know, she's like, oh, you know, it's a smart move. You know, smart play for crime. You know, you want to trade in. She's looking at the California plates. Like, that's probably part of it. You know, you got these Arizona plates.

You get some California plates. I'll be smooth, good to go. But, I mean, I don't know how it worked in 1960. That's not how license plates work. Yeah, it's a good point. You know, like, you just don't buy a car. and it's like, here are the license plates that come with that car. I mean, it is different back then.

I don't know. I mean, it is. I mean, this switch is as, I mean, like, they, he milks it for everything, like the, the slow process of like, well, slow down here, lady. But like, to your point, the first time the customer ever high pressure to salesman. Because the thing he keeps saying is like, well, don't you want to take it for a test drive? And it's like, the answer is yes. Like, yes, I would love to take it for a test drive, California, Charlie.

that's fucking a great idea. You know what I mean? Take it around. It's just like, he's just like, what are people trying to offer me money. What? What's this now? No,

that's not right. I don't eat $700, lady. Don't be shoving $700 in my hand. But she looks like drug money at this point because he's like, oh, uh,

he even asked like, you do have, uh, the paperwork to say that you own this car, right? You know what I mean? He's getting, getting lies a little bit.

Again, and like this is, where, like, Marion, you need to sniff this out better, right? Because he says that line. And instead of being like, oh, of course, let me, you know, whatever. She's like, yes, all the paperwork's in order. You're fucking hillbilly.

You know, like, the tone in her voice is, you fucking hillbilly. Like, for all of this. And then the fucking cop pulls up and at that point you absolutely have to acquiesce to the test drive. This fucking cops cross the street. He's about to start sticking his nose in this business or whatever.

I don't know, ma'am. You're looking often like one of them dealers of that wildcaught cocaine. Not the cocaine you used to get from the medicine store. No, no, no. The stuff that you got to go and snort in nightclubs and jazz clubs and cigarette balls.

Yeah, not the stuff Mr. Gower was selling. No, no, yeah. Not Mr. Gower's legal heroin. Yes. But she's like, well, how much is it going to cut? You know, just straight up, I take this car, you take that car. he's like, uh, that plus $700 fine, cash good.

He's like, I guess so. Could I have asked for more? Yeah, he's personally insulted that she doesn't fight him on the business. No haggling. Why am I alive? I'm going to be honest, I don't think I've ever haggled in my entire life. I don't think I, I'm not a haggler.

Like, you tell me what the price is. I'll say okay. I've avoided it. Yes. You avoid it at all costs. Why would I want to do that? You know, here's, here's how little, I enjoy haggling. Quick story. The last time we were in San Francisco just back this past May,

I got super high and I went to Alcatraz. And on the way back, you know, a little hungry. There's a fella right by the ferry exit selling hot dogs. So I go up and I'm like, yeah, you know, one hot dog please. And it looked like with the works and everything looked real great.

And as I'm like waiting for the dude to tell me how much it is, like I pull out a 10 and I'm holding it, And I go, how much is, you know, how much for the hot dog? And he goes, he literally, he looks at my hand holding the bill and goes, $10. And like, sure, I was, I was fucking baked as a cake. But I knew in that, in, through all of the haze, in that moment, I knew that's bullshit. And then proceeded to exchange a $10 bill for a single hot dog and walked away. Wow.

Because I just, I did not want to be dealing with like, that's not how much it costs. You know what I mean? Because then if you're like, oh, you get $3 or $4 back instead, but now you've wasted time talking to this fucking asshole. Why not just walk away? $10 is a hot dog that'll put bourbon in it or nothing? Yeah. I'm going to say, do they have like truffle jelly inside it or something? Like something special or?

It had some fried onions on it and ketchup and mustard. Not really anything. Nowhere close to $10 of value. That sounds like a $5 dog. That sounds like I would be okay with being, being, I would purchase that for $5. Now, all these months later, I'm looking back. I realize what I should have said was, I didn't want three of them. Let's see what he says there.

Next time we're out there, let's roll up on this guy. Yeah, fine, track him down. I'd love to exact revenge on that guy. Put him in the rock. That'd be amazing. Break his legs. Now Marion's driving away and now she's imagining like what the cop is talking to, California, Charlie California Charlie reprises.

First time I've ever seen the customer high pressure to salesman. You hear that? Hey, one more time. I'll get you. It's a good line. I like it. So I'm going to keep using it. And then she imagines my favorite thing is like back at the office, the guy, the money man,

the oil man or whatever. Cassidy is just like, and if I can't find that money, I'll take it out of her tender flesh. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Pinhead? Is he pinhead? No, that means I get to have lunch. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit, dude. He goes, I ain't about to kiss off $40,000.

Yes. And what's awesome about this is in this moment, it's the kiss off $40,000 and, you know, the guy's like, you checked with the bank, no, and all this stuff. And as she's imagining this lecherous creep that was like sexually harassing her the day before, getting so pissed off about this. Janet Lee, I mean, it's so perfect. Just this like gentle smirk starts coming across her face.

Fuck, that's... She's just like, yeah, fuck you, Cassidy. Yes. Her sister, this little, all these imagined conversations or, I mean, real... I don't know if... I mean, that's what's cool about him

is that you don't know what if she's imagining or this is actually what's happening. But like, what I love is they reveal how low rent the store Lila works for is. It's a music store called the music maker's music store. Yes. Like anything, you don't want to call it Lila's music hut or anything like that.

Come in to music maker's music store. We're selling bongos for three quarters of the price of regular bongos. Going back to school and your child needs a recorder for music class, come on down to Lila's music emporium. Look at all of our music. books of written music that they could learn to read someday.

Music Maker's Music Store. Now buy one piano seat, get the second one at the exact same price. We can't afford to give them away for cheaper. Music Maker's Music Store. We're just down the street on Johnson Avenue from the Dildo Factory.

Now that's a business. Don't mind the rust on these saxophones. They'll still blow you away. there it is I do like also this dude in this like well it's weird because I sort of lean

towards it's imagined because of the smirk but then also this dude and she could have imagined this too because like it's a logic thread you could follow of this guy

like you hear Cassidy's voice being like and of course she was hitting on me she was flirting with me you know she grabbed my cock I swear to God

speaking of we were talking about it's wonderful life a little bit earlier. He was Sam Wainwright in that. Oh, who's Sam Wainwright?

One of the high school buddies? Yeah, that goes away and makes it big or whatever. Oh, yeah, oh, of course. E.

Or, Sam Wainwright. Yeah, yeah. That was a mistake. Same actor, Frank Albertson. Yeah.

You're lucky, Lowry, that I didn't sue you for sexual harassment when she was trying to stroke me off the other day. Oh, God.

Hey, Sam, it's me, George. You got that $40,000 you promised? Wait, what? Oh, no, it's happening again. You know what? No, I really wish I was never born. This is fucking bullshit. Oh, hey, Mary, the town's going to want me dead again.

Apparently, some tart stole $40,000 from Sam Wainwright. No, you don't understand. If you don't live, then this woman won't be stabbed to death by this guy in the shower. look at all the good you've done by being alive so yes she's driving along having these thoughts the rain starts coming down hard and what do we see off in the distance

a neon light with the Bates Motel and yes they have vacancy now here's the thing just a little like safety tip out there for all you you know your road warriors and whatnot like to drive

long distances and whatever, if you find yourself at a roadside motel, and obviously some are better quality than others. But if you're in the middle of the night, you find yourself at a roadside motel, and you go in the front office and no one's at that front desk, just get back in your car and drive away. Yep, there could be a history of violence happening. Yes. You don't know. Oh, well, I just, I want to, like, maybe the flip of that. If you're a bargain hunter, why don't you just go into one of these rooms kick down the door they're weak they haven't been you know they're not up to code probably

these are shitty looking doors you're right you can get right in there you get a free night's sleep you don't have to pay the $5 but she she looks up at the house and sees the shadow of what appears to be a little old lady or maybe a Kevin McAllister Christmas party

passing by the window it's either a little old lady or Michael Jordan off in the different distance. Hey, Santa Claus. Hey, Santa Claus. Hey, Santa Claus. We are very close, or we're getting close to Christmas because, what is it?

The beginning of the movie, we're told that it is December 11th. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. December the 11th. Friday the 13th. Nothing happened that day. But immediately, Norman Bates

comes out. she starts talking the horn like come on let's fucking figure this shit out she's laying on this horn man he comes down and man fucking Perkins just from like the first frame of him in this movie you're like

yep this is great this is a fully realized character I love that Anthony Perkins gave David Byrne the entire idea for his wardrobe I think that's phenomenal I mean it's really good stuff he's just so unassuming

and nice and like boyish and charming and nerdy. Like, it's all there. Like, I think there's a point when, like, he won't even say the word bathroom because he's a little uncomfortable by it. Oh, I bet this guy has lunch for lunch. Oh, dude, this guy's never had sex for lunch or sex for breakfast. Not at all.

Yeah, no, he's just having these disgusting mayonnaise and cheese sandwiches that we see them eating in a minute. 1960s food, man. No, thank you. Absolutely not. But, yeah, we're told 12 rooms, 12 vacancies. Like his, the nervous little laugh that he has is so great. Going out of business.

It's all going downhill. I'm rodding away. Family business. Oh, yeah. Oh, destroyed by capitalism. Yeah, that's a highway. How do you move a highway? Can you just move a highway, folks?

What the fuck? Yeah, you can apparently. Usually they do it through black communities and bulldoze them. That's usually what happens. That's right. But yeah, something about they, well, they built, yeah, they built a new highway, I think, is the idea.

So I do love, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, you can send your friends a letter. We've got a Bates Motel stationer. Make your friends chel us. But I won't murder you, by the way. Don't just, don't look my polite chuck. It's so good. It's like that, it's like between charming and scary,

like, or too awkward, you know. Well, yeah. I mean, only a creep of some sort would say the term fancy umbrella like that. Like, that's, I would, he's on the scale somewhere, but it might be towards the charming end. It's great too, because it's like, apparently in the book, Norman was short, fat and old, in his late 40s, like an old kind of grizzled. He was like, you know, unappealing. And then Hitchcock was like, no, let's make him kind of like a cute, young boyish guy that is really. And, you know, you kind of root for him because he cared so much about the twist at the end.

Like, you know what I mean? And it's painstakingly obvious. And obviously, we all know what the twist is. But I think it's one of those great twists because it met the movie doesn't lose a beat when you know what it is. You know what I mean? It's just as good. I kind of wish this is one of those movies I wish I could see opening night in 1960 and

see what that was like. It's sort of like Planet of the Apes. There's a thousand other movies that I could say the same thing about. that, but this one especially. That's one of the things I was curious about. Did anyone get to see this movie without having it ruined through pop culture osmosis? No, pop culture definitely, definitely let me know what was, what the score was by the time I did see this. Looney tunes or tiny tunes or whatever, like, ruined it for me years before I saw this movie.

Yeah, I mean, a hundred different. I mean, they talked about this in everything. Even the, I mean, the 90s brought it back up, I think, a lot. I mean, but to the point about the original description, like, I love Anthony Perkins in this role, but seeing like Ernest Borgnine as that might be interesting. There might be something to that. I don't know. Well, rooms 12 vacancies. I jerked off in all of them. It's like, is what is his mother 10,000 years old? Well, it'll be a 1960 Ernestown. It's not too bad. What was she? 5,000 years old. yeah it's uh it's it's changed to sheets monday even though no one's in there i don't like rooms getting damp yeah he's right don't you hate damp sheets i mean he's he's taking care of the

place he seems like a great guy he does sometimes i drink so much that i piss the bed in my sleep talk about damp sheets well that was another apparently he was also an alcoholic at the book and i mean again like the fact that he's like he's just like a a milk totally like again afraid to say the word bathroom like is attracted to Marion and like I don't think that she's necessarily attracted to him but she is put at ease

by him because he is so she's not boy yeah she's not threatened by him like if anything she's like yeah this guy's a little bit of a weirdo but he's harmless he's less harmless than the rich Texan that I stole this $40,000 from and the other thing about the

casting like yeah Chris to your point I think it would be interesting to see if it was cast more like book age appropriate or whatever but what this does because this was like this was the horror movie that like

in Hollywood it comes out and it's like now the monster in the monster movie is a person and how fucked up is that and so like I feel like with the cat you you want to send that out that's part of like what you're doing with this movie norm man normal man that's like Hitchcock's thinking and all of this

so if you want to make the monster a human the best most effective way to do it is make him like this all-American boy kind of guy if you get closer to Ernest Borgnine where it's like maybe he's kind of disgusting or lettrous or whatever then you're kind of like well I get it but it's more surprising that it's just like very very good boy

with his very soft-spoken voice and whatever and I'm sure you know Hitchcock read the book oh of course the V lane is a big fat guy I'm so sick of that turn. So many people think I'm a huge creep just because I'm waiting for the Baconator to be invented. I must speak to my satanic majesty. Domino's is making tater-ta-ta-ta-tot pizzas.

I must have one now. But yeah, so he takes her to cabin one, and he's shown around. And then this is where he's like, and the, uh, ah, yeah, he just cannot say bathroom. It gives him like a little tingle in his weenie. If he says bathroom in front of a pretty lady, I guess. So he just sort of hilariously gestures toward the door.

But this is like, yeah, kind of, it's kind of an operator here because he's like, you know, oh, you know, you're not going to, you're, he talks, talks about a dinahs like four miles up the road, but he's like, you're not going to drive in this. Why don't I come back? We'll, we'll eat. Uh, he says, you come up to that. house and we'll have dinner together. And right here, dude, this is, oh, man, food in the middle of the 20th century, just awful.

He's like, yeah, I was just about to make some dinner. Nothing special. Just some sandwiches and milk. I was like, no, you're having fucking lunch for dinner. What are you doing? No. Lunch is supposed to be sex and dinner is supposed to be sandwiches and milk, I guess. My God.

But yes, it is disgusting. just constantly just chugging milk everyone. Always. Morning, noon, night. We're just drinking milk with things unless it's alcohol. Then you have got a problem, apparently. Well, what I love about this is he goes up there and like, Marion goes into her room, starts getting things together, starts putting the money in

the paper thing. But from her window, she can hear, like, does Norma, have a PA system outside of her house. Is she holding a microphone at all times? Because she can hearly, she can very clearly hear their conversation about her coming to dinner at the house

and like, what does Norma say? Like, do you have the guts boy? Oh, and after dinner, what then? Music and whispers, whispers and music. Mother, she's the stranger's like, oh, so apparently men don't find strangers around. is that it boy oh you're cheap erotic girl with their cheap erotic minds it's it's just another it's an old uh voice actress you know what i mean with this great old lady voice and i mean like my

question is and i don't care really to the answer but i will say is this cheating is because this kind of a cheat right like this is not i guess it's not anthony perkins doing this voice well but you can't have him do that because then it fucking gives it away exactly no but it keeps the twist alive for sure. Well, this was the actress Virginia Greg who she wound up doing the voice again in Psycho 2 and

Psycho 3. But speaking of Twilight Zone, Steve, she's in the episode Masks. She's one of the shitty family members in the Masks episode that was indeed directed by Ida Lupino, one of the co-stars of last week's episode, The Devil's

Rain. Oh, great. Yeah. So how about that? Fantastic. But it's, yeah, I do like it because it actually like, again, like up till the end, Hitchcock wants you to believe that there is an old lady in that house. Yes. Oh, yeah. Whether she's a ghost, whether she's alive, whether she's whatever, there is some old lady in that house that is not Norman Bates. He really wants to drive you to that.

I mean, if they didn't, like, that it's, it sucks now thinking that because I know what the ending is. But, like, if Norman is coming back down to tell Marion about dinner, and you just hear over the PA, Now that's not, I won't eat with her. Just you tell her, Norman, I won't have it. I heard about this new thing. It's called Hepatitis C, and I'm not catching it, Norman. I can smell the used rubbers from here.

Oh, sure, Norman. and bring your trash, erotic girl up here. Then the house will be filled with crabs. That's what you'd like, wouldn't it, you pervert. I saw that pointy bra, your eyes are going to be out of your head, Norman. Those bazumgas. I saw them. Oh, yes, I caught sight of those rockin' teeters from up here.

You naughty boy. And the ass is nothing to ride home. Well, actually, it is, but still. On further inspection, that ass won't quit. Okay, so she has a dump truck. Okay, I admit it. You could write home about it on the Bates Motel stationery and make all your friends jealous of that juicy ass.

You want to eat her ass, don't you, Norman? No, Mary, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to my son, who is going to tell you, that I won't eat with a slut and wash down that ass with a big old honking glass of milk

Oh good God Oh So he brings this delicious dinner back down to the hotel And he's like Ha ha that was awkward You probably heard that

And what don't we eat You know He even said like He's too afraid To eat in her room Like she's like Come into my room We'll eat

And he knows The bed is there And he just can't do it So he's like What do we come into my creepy bird parlor really quickly. Well, I can, you know, never eat with a boner.

Let me tell you a little bit about stuffing birds. And never did it himself. Well, other than these ones in here. But holy crow. I mean, now this is like, this is good, right? This is like building towards that ending of like, yeah, dude,

he preserves his mother as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of funny, right? Because he says, here, it's like, oh, I only stuff birds. I don't like stuffing beasts or whatever. I feel like it's because he preserved his mother as well as possible, and it didn't go according to plan. And he was like,

well, that's the last beast. I'll try to stuff. Yeah, it's birds, birds from here on out. These are good looking birds. You got some owls in there. You know, they're all great, great work. I do, this seems great because it plays out you know again he's being really sweet and nice and you know aw shucksie she's put off by the taxidary but like again she's at ease

but he does have like all these in cell red flags that are fantastic which is like one which like totally turns her off immediately because he's like she's like oh you know like what do you ever go out with friends he's like you know boy's best friend is his mother and he looks at her with both like erotic charge

but also a little disdain and it's just like I bet you've never had an empty mom moment in all of your life. It's this weird like you're a pretty girl and whatever you want you get. It's a weird vibe that you bring to. Right. It is. It is. Well, yeah, but like it's all because

there's also the wondering in his brain like does she understand how weird it is that I said that. About the mother, mother and her boy and like the other, what's the lover line? Like a the boy is

A son is a poor excuse for a lover or something. Poor substitute. Poor substitute for a level. Yeah, yeah. That is like, you would be inching your way out of the room if you heard that line sincerely shared. Like just,

I know it's, it's kind of supposed to be a joke, but still the fact that you know it, like, hmm, I don't know. He's laid some exposition, like,

oh yeah, my mother, there was a man that came around here. He convinced her to build this hotel. My father died and was very young. And that guy died about 10 years ago. And, you know,

son is a poor excuse is a more substitute for lover ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Are you still hungry? I would never want to fuck my mother I mean that would be so disgusting and I mean fuck her back when she was in her 30s for sure That was hot

Back when she looked like Vera Farmiga What's a Vera Fermiga? Oh yeah absolutely Can I interest you in more cheese and mayonnaise and milk? Oh dude this fucking sandwich Like the other thing too is like he forces her to make her own sandwich. This dude didn't make dinner for anybody.

Yeah, he brings like a sandwich bar essentially. You know, I can kind of appreciate that. You know, maybe I don't want all like if he puts a ton of cheese on it or something. You know, maybe she'll still my own. There's pastrami on there. She doesn't want it. You know what I mean? She's going just for the cheese.

Oh, he put turkey on my cheese and mayonnaise sandwich. That's disgusting. It's just awful. And, like, the whole conversation starts with the, you eat like a bird, which is great. Because before she makes the sandwich, she does just eat one slice of bread by picking at it. And then it's like, oh, gee, I better make a sandwich. Well, she's got like a real Midwest charcutory going here. Like, it's Wonderbread and like Bologna and like Oscar Meyer turkey, not the real stuff.

No, no, no, no. Government cheese. The wet shit. The wet shit, the package. You know, you know that tur, that slippery turkey. out there in the grocery stores. Yep. Yuck.

It's not Helmonds mayonnaise. It's Hillman's mayonnaise. I do. I love this conversation where it starts to, he's like, I think she, who mentions the idea of, I think he does, we're all in our own little traps.

You know what I mean? We all find ourselves in our little traps. I was born in mine. And then she's like, you know, I'm also, she, you know, again, she's like, I'm a person. I haven't in her life. Like I was, I too, you could,

you might be shocked, but I'm also at a trap. You know what I mean? Like, right. Well, it's interesting because like this whole conversation with this already quite fluent murderer.

We learned that, you know, by the end, before he murders Marion, he's already killed at least four people. Mm-hmm. Is where we're at. And this guy is, he convinces her,

like the end of the conversation, she's ready to drive back to Phoenix and give this money. Right. Yes. It's pretty cool. talk to this fucking weirdo for six minutes and

I decided to turn my life around because I don't want to be in some sort of continuous trap like this guy's living in. But as you said, Andrew, this is this is pre-saged also by imagery because when she gets the new car from California, Charlie

and needs to also gets her bag and coat in the last minute ditch from California, Chris. the license plate goes from black to white Arizona played as Arizona and California one are white

Oh interesting So like they they do double I mean he's a master of doing stuff like that paralleling things But he's like talking about the mother and everything And he gets into like oh she's ill And then because she says something like Oh I caused you an awful lot of trouble up there

And he's like no she's ill And Marion says Oh well she seemed pretty strong and it's kind of interesting because he goes no no she's ill like meaning like mental problems but like we don't we just don't talk about that stuff

so she's ill but she's ill ill you know what I mean Marion she's ill so why don't you just put her someplace like what the madhouse yeah that's I mean that's what like really sets them off that's what we want to do with ill people we just want to put them away put them away and nobody's ever going to see him again

Have you ever been in one of those places All the people looking at you like again He's pre-staging that you definitely The laughing and the tears And the cruel eyes studying you Yeah Not that I've ever Or so I would imagine

Sorry And it brings us to like that rage or whatever As the rage wave crests We get the line You know that was Mentioned again in the scream And we played in the Sputacular Sound track, but she says, you know, he says, in reference to the mother, she's not a maniac,

she just goes a little mad sometimes. Dot, dot, dot, dot. We all go a little mad sometimes. fucking great. And it's like, this is the line that I think like unlocks Marion. She's like, yeah, you're right, Norman, we all do. I just happen to go a little mad, taking this money, and now I got to leave the shit-ass dinner, get some sleep, and go drive back to Phoenix in the morning. And I just know they're not going to send me to jail. They're not going to send me to jail. I give it back and then I don't go to jail.

I got lost trying to find the bank. Did you mean the bank in Fairville, California? Or did you mean the bank up the street? Because I wanted to go to the one of the Oh, okay. No, oh my God. I'm sorry. Oh, oh, the local branch. Okay. I was going to HQ.

I was taking it right to the top. The one in Fairview, you know, it's got the better lollipops at the, at the register. They have the dumb dumps there. I love those. Oh, hell, you know, now I'm curious in her mind, you know what I mean? She's, you know, she's now gone back to, she's going to give the money back. She's going to face the music. Is she going to go back to California, Charlie, get that old car back, try to make it whole again?

Yeah, get that $700 back. Get those seven bills back. No, I don't think so because I feel like that's what you're. she's doing at the desk, like 40,000 minus 700 bucks or whatever. This is what's left. Yeah. And this is what I, you know, this is also like what I put down for the hotel room. She's like adding up all the shit. Like, this is what I'm going to have to make up and get back to this Cassidy guy.

I'll make up the, those $700 at the Cassidy Cat House. Oh, you'll make it up to me, girl. Oh, yeah. You will make it up to me. going to put that ass to work. That soft flesh, was it? Soft flesh, he does say it. By the way, 700 bucks, that's about $7,300 that she's got to come up with.

That's a lot of money. Not line around, that's for sure. Don't ask that fucking shit he'll say about it. I'll give you a fucking sob story about his ex-wife. Yeah, well, it's certainly not the back of that hardware store. You're not going to find $700 back there. I'll tell you what. I can give you seven rakes.

so but she she goes to the other room and she peep show time yeah oh dude yeah he's got the he's got the he's got he's got the picture and the and it just so like the peeping is so

visually interesting you know what I mean like it's it's so much more about him as opposed to what he sees you know yeah the camera is like the extreme close up on his eyeball more than it is on her taking it off getting ready for this bath right that was a thing

that I don't like I remember thinking like the the Van Sant was like whatever but what I really disagreed with was in that movie yes they make the overt confirm it like Vince Vaughan is just jerking off oh okay and it's who

like he's really going for it and I'm like come on you know what I mean I forget is there even an animated like zipper down sound in the background there's a cartoon opening that comes his pant fly opens and an animated cat

and an animated cow come out and start fighting each other. Then how is this your grand experiment of doing a shot for shot remake Mr. Vonson if fucking Vince Vaude spitting on his hand. How does that work?

Well, it's the same shot composition, Steve. He just did something different with Anna. Different soundscape. Also, in the second hour of beers off when him and Norma go to a gala in matching

blue and orange tuxedo. I would watch Psycho and Psychoer. That'd be a great movie. Similar plot with just running off with money. That's true. She's going to go back to her job. It's like, nope, right there is better than money. It's an I owe you. Private Investigator Milton Abergast looking for Miss Sampson.

It's what was written on the suitcase. So you see him, he kind of, after this little sesh here, he puts the painting back on the wall and he goes up to the house and this is the first time you see the interior of the house and it's just like a hallway, like straight shot into the kitchen table and he sits down there and he's kind of thinking, am I going to go kill this girl? What am I going to do here? Or am I going to go upstairs?

He'd probably, he should go in the mirror and be like, You're going to go upstairs, you're going to jerk off, and that's all you're going to do. Do you know what they call a cheese and mayonnaise sandwich in France? Garbage. A garbage with cheese, yeah. American pig slop, is they call it. I do love, apparently, so it's a very important plot point. She tears up this note of, you know, the math that she was doing with the $40,000.

and flushes it. And apparently this is probably one of the first toilets ever shown on film because of the haze code and all that stuff. Well, they just invented it too. No, they had toilets. But apparently it was just so, oh my, you can't

show a toilet to film. Do you know what people are doing there? Have you any idea? Then cut to Jeff Daniels 33 years later, taking a huge diarrhea on that thing. Totally. Like, Hitchcock crawled so Jeff Daniels

could shit. I don't know if what your guy's history was seeing that movie was. I watched my father almost have a heart attack laughing when Jeff Daniels is spewing shit out of his ass. Oh, sure. In that scene nearly died.

The first time I saw Dumb and Dumber, I think I was alone. I think I just ran into the VHS and watched it by myself. It was in theater. It was a riotous in theater. Like, you guys were going fucking crazy. Well, that diarrhea. That's what Marion does here right now because she had the cheese sandwich

She's just fucking ripping ass Oh my, it's going right through me That cheese and mayonnaise sandwich You were going to have to do the protagonist Switch anyway because of the diarrhea Not just the stabbing One way or another we had to switch I was expected to diarrhea

It's just all the farts, my God So you know The shower scene One of the most famous scene It's great It's wonderful. Love that still eye the spiral with the drain I gotta be honest I know it's coming

I still I didn't like jump like holy shit it's a brand new movie and I didn't know it's coming but I jumped a little like you do the the quick you know what I mean the shower curtain the noise the sound design all of it it's just it's effective you know fucking 50 something 60 years later

really really is I'll tell you it doesn't make me jump but when that when the door opens because it just opens at such a... It's not too quick, but it's not too slow and there's no creaking sound. I just like, my heart sinks. I know what's coming and here's this door and it's like, oh, fuck.

I don't know, we're, I mean, it's what, almost 50 years away from this fucking movie at this point? I don't even have the count on me right now. It's 63 years old. 63 years old at this. I don't know if I've heard more like effective stab noises.

Like the very bluntness of this and like the feeling like it because you focus on the activity like the motion and the sound so like specifically you actually get the effect. You're feeling it in that moment rather than just like cut cut cut cut and slash noise slash noise slash noise

and that's it. Or even like a Tom Savini like a great like whoa the knife is really getting in there like your mind is doing so much math to know. Oh, yeah. And it's, it's, you know, people have said like, oh, man, the blood seemed so red when I saw it. You know what I mean? Because it's in black and white, but it's just, it's, it's in, it's operating at a level subliminally.

Right. Another, I believe it's been said that this is Hershey's chocolate syrup for the blood here. I believe so, yes. Do you think that, uh, that was just Sir Al's a private stash, doing some shots in the back? No, you can't borrow some from my ice cream trolley. Go to the store and get your own. This is the special reserve they only give to nights. But you're not a night yet.

I know the future. Listen, I'm not... And also, when she gets out of the shower, leave me be with the shower for a little bit with all the chocolate sauce on the floor. Oh, yeah, dude. They don't call me Alfred Mopcock for nothing. Daddy's going to need a spray down after he gets into the syrup.

Oh, my God. Him just covered in liquid chocolate. Here's a question. I think about this every time I watch this movie. I should say I probably watch this movie at least once a year. Oh, nice. I've seen it a dozen times or more easy. But one of the things that always strikes me about this, because I'm not this way.

And I would guess some people are. Do you guys get in the shower and turn the water on while you're standing right under it? No, no, no, no. Never. Right? You got to give it a little bit to get to the temperature you want. You got a blast of ice cold water? Absolutely not.

Right on your balls. That's what happens here. Janet Lee turns that shower on right there. She's getting blasted in the dits with it. I need to adjust that until it's the temperature of fresh milk. Nice hot little pissy temperature. Ooh, yeah, nice creamy shower you want to take? That's the thing.

That's the next innovation is creamy showers, chunky garden-style vegetable showers, wedding, Italian wedding soup, minestrum style. Eric, is this what you told the contractors when they're putting the water heater in your house? I need the cow piss temperature. in the shower. They couldn't figure it out. Oh, damn it. Tons of bitches.

I was always fascinated by the fact that like Mrs. Bates, quote, doesn't stick around to make sure the job was finished. Totally just books out of there. And speaking of the sound, Chris, I think the most disturbing

sound in the whole thing is after the stabbing is done. The sound that they put in for her body slumping, onto the floor, like just a sack of meat. I mean, it just sounds like you literally dropped a bag of steaks on the floor. Like, you turned a big bag over and steak fell out and hit the floor or like ground pork or something.

And it's just, it's interesting because it's like, yeah, when you're dead, that's all you are. You're just a fucking second. That's the thing is if this was Fulchie's psycho, then we would actually get it. It would be a body that would turn into a bunch of steaks when it fell on the ground. You see the hamburger. helper on the floor. But I mean, to Eric's point, like, think about that audience fucking opening

night, 1960. These people I didn't see the fucking toilet yet. They're like, oh my God, I can't believe you showed a toilet. Like, Martha, we have to leave. There's a toilet on the screen. No, no, it'll get better. And then this woman gets ripped apart in a way that no one was expecting

and no one was, you know what I? I can't even imagine the reaction. Yeah. Eleanor, do you see that toilet? I've never been so aroused in my life. let you get home and fuck I saw a toilet well cinema's dead you saw it you saw it

no I think this actually happened Steve I don't have any information in front of me but there was some British film critic who resigned because of this movie being so offensive and I think it was the toilet maybe that guy

that would have to be the most embarrassing like are you telling people that that's what you did I saw a toilet in an Alfred Hitchcock movie and I said goodbye career. Get out of here. That's right. It's done. See, because movies are supposed to be escapism, you see. And I own a toilet. And when I saw a toilet on screen, the illusion was broken, man.

The illusion was broken. John Gilling would never put a toilet in his movies. Terrence Fisher would never put a toilet in his movies until he was allowed to. I mean, you're right though, Steve. Like, opening night, you're not even over the shell shock of seeing a toilet get flushed. And this woman is stabbed to death in the shower minutes later. And there's side boob left and right.

There's the body double for, I think, some of those shots. But it is really graphic and revealing for an R-rated movie back then. You know what I mean? You are seeing some action there if you're looking. Because that's the thing too, right? It's pushing all those buttons. It is supposed to be a little erotic. It is supposed to be a little

to be very scary. It is supposed to have a toilet in it. There is, yeah, it's out of focus side boob when the hand is going to grab the shower curtain. And, you know, I'm watching that 4K disc. I'm like, say, yes. Hello. Hello, side. 1960 side boob.

How are you? So she's dead. Yes. About, you know, an hour or so into the motion picture. And what an amazing thing to have happened to you. again, like as the audience, not only did you, so you saw a toilet, totally going to shock

over that. Then a woman is murdered in the shower, the place where you are like, you know, at your most vulnerable fucking nude behind a curtain, right? And then you realize not only was this woman brutally murdered, it was what I thought to be the main character of the movie,

uh-oh, what the hell, where does the movie go from here? Like, what a fucking fascinating problem to have as an audience member to sit there, just being like, you murdered the movie. Like, how does the movie continue? You know what I mean? I mean, this is the, in theory, this is the toughest part.

And I think it's so perfect how he does it. Like, because it is Norman comes down and finds, quote unquote, finds the body and starts doing cleanup. And what he's, I mean, what Hitchcock is doing is like letting us spend time with him doing this. And because we don't know the twist yet, like, it, it, it. feels like we're on his side for a bit like we are like kind of there

with him and I mean like in I would love it if anybody has any skill at the computer or anything editing wise if someone can get me a version of all these little tasks he does set to let's hear it for the boy

I would love that too I really I thought that was really I had that thought while I was watching it and it really made me tickle there the best thing is the the car going into the swamp oh I do love love that. And you know what? I was thinking about this watching, like, thinking about the film noir

trappings of the start. And it's like, oh, I got this money. Let's give the old town the 23 skadoo and, oh, wait, a real crime's happening to me. Oh, that's the movie now. Okay. Yeah, that's the real crime is here. Yeah, not a movie crime. Yeah, exactly. At your point, Chris,

like, we're watching, we hear Norman react, I think, at the house, you know, Oh, blood, mother blood. What have you done? And you're like, oh, no, this poor fucking, you know, simpleton sweet boy man has to clean up for his mother. Like, yeah, he probably

should be, go to the police or whatever, but we could imagine. You know what I mean? Like, you're doing so much of that math in your head. If you don't know the ending. And what happened? So the $40,000 is just in her suitcase, right? And it's just never seen ever again. She takes it out and she folds it

into the newspaper and puts it on the nightstand. And there's the great shot. We just mentioned him yelling about blood. It goes from her dead up to the suitcase it's all one shot up to the nightstand

there's the money that's what she was murdered for and then it goes out the window and you see the house it's a great shot like clouds are passing over it whatever and you get all that

what I love about it and like yes if we added a fun song to it it would be funny but what's amazing about it is not only is this like okay spend time

meet your new protagonist it's all just silent he doesn't say anything and there's no music it's just Anthony Perkins walking around this room cleaning everything up very meticulously and proficiently almost as if it's not the first time he's done it

no not at all I mean what I love about the car going into the swamp is this is the implication moment this is you watch the car go halfway in and what is your thought oh god please go in you want it to go in and that implicatory

you in the crime in its way and then it goes in and you're relieved too you watch him be relieved and you're feeling that with him in that moment and this is before you know everything else of course but like that is such an important anchoring moment for you. I was a little

taken out of it when Swamp thing shows I was like hey asshole! Hey what the fuck do I dump my garbage in your house? Do I go into your fucking shitty motel and throw my fucking food on your floor? What are you doing my goddamn Swamp? Look, all right Here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to peel one of the pieces of fruit that grow on my body. I'm going to peel it off my own body and feed it to you. And it's going to make you have horrible hallucinations because that's a swamp thing thing. And fuck you. You know what? I'm going to take the bucket seats. I got to make my living. I have a living room set.

I haven't completed yet. I'm going to get those. But I don't like you having all this shit in my house. I'll tell you that much. It's funny because Joseph Stefano, the writer, developed Swamp Thing for television. Did he really? Yeah. Oh, wow. The 1990 TV show, yeah.

Here, I was just being an asshole, but now I actually- You're smart asshole. There you go. Ooh. I watched a lot of that Swamp Thing TV show when I was a kid. We got to do that West Craven movie. This is stay tuned. Oh, both of them are.

Absolutely. One worse than the other. The Craven one sucks, but the one that the single he didn't do with Heather Locklear is way worse. Is it Larry Cohen who did the people, I feel? Oh, I don't know. I hope so because then it would be a banger then, right? It was Alfred Hitchcock.

Albert Hitchcock Oh, yeah. So the thing about Swamp thing that I wanted, I thought what about if he was a fat swamp thing,

you see? I just, the idea of Alfred Hitchcock doing a superhero the what? A bat? No,

we will not be doing a Batman. Chris, were you thinking a return of the swamp, a return of swamp thing? Yeah. It is Jim Warnerski

that soft core pornographer. I shop, shopping mall's own. Yes, exactly. But so, yeah, she goes into the bog and then we cut to Sam's Hardware Store. And it's a lady arguing about Siana, or not Sinoid, insecticide, and she wants it to be totally painless.

It's a very, it's funny, but it's also like, it's just cheeky enough for the scene you just watched because we're talking about death. Well, of course it is because she's, yeah, she's saying like, you know, oh, it says, it kills all these bugs, but it doesn't save it's painless. And what she says is, I think death should always be painless. And you just watched one of the most painful ways to die unfold in front of you. It's so, it is, it is that, just that primo morbid humor that Hitchcock had. It's so fucking funny. And what's great is like, it's definitely not a line you catch the first time you see the movie.

No, because like you watched all that shit, go down. right up through the swamp thing appearance and you're like still rattled and it's like you know Sam's like writing a letter to her in the back room and this it's just this old lady and you're like oh it's an old lady

she's convention about a product whatever but then you listen to it and you're like oh that's a funny joke very good and Marty Balsam is doing some peeping of his own into the hardware store yeah I like looking at people the Bronx Barrymore of Wikipedia is to be understood really

he's a Bronx native he was a theater, a huge theater guy and some critic called him the Bronx Barrymore, which I love. So, very good. Wow. He's fantastic. Steve, was he buried under Pelham Parkway? No, I don't believe. He died apparently in Italy. I guess he was in Rome

to be believed. Not bad. Return to the home country, right? Exactly. No, dude, that is a, I'm over there as an old man still trying to act making a shitty Italian. That might be, and I died on set or whatever. He worked forever. He worked all the way up. He was in silence of the hams, okay?

Yeah, he was like, Luigi Cozies four for the murder tree or something like that. According to Wikipedia, his last movie was 1997's Legend of the Spirit Dog where he played Gramps. Yeah, that checks out. Of course, the star of Mitchell also. That's what's very important. Oh, Judge and Cape Fear. 91. Nice. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yep.

But he's so good at this movie. And this part of the movie needs him. I think, I think, you know, again, because Sam's a bit stiff and like he's just like, rock, hard chest. What? Well, let's figure this out. And like, he's just seeny and crooked enough. And like, it just, it gives the movie another. It's, it's kind of a stock character. Right. The city private investigator. Exactly. Yes. Because we're back to Eric's Nor. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like it's, it's a guy. it's fascinating, right? Because it's a guy from a noir. It's a character from a noir. He could have been like fucking with Edward G. Robinson in another movie down the road or whatever. And like it's, this is what happens, Larry. This is what happens when a noir character walks into a horror movie.

Yeah, I mean, because the thing he's bouncing off is that those two are dealing with what you should care about, which is like this woman has gone missing. You know what's happened. You want them to find out. What's the interesting character? the guy who's talking about the $40,000 that's missing. He's the

interesting guy. He's the guy that you actually want to follow for a little bit here. Not the fucking stiff guy who's talking about how much he loves his girlfriend, which you should want. But like, he keeps on bringing you back to what's like, what sin is. For some reason this viewing, I was thinking of No Country for Old Man

a little bit because it's like this conventional, yeah, I just track down this $40,000 fund with his dame with Ditsy and I'll figure it, you know, but the world has changed. It is darker and more sinister and there's actual real shit afoot here. It's funny. I was thinking of another Coen Brothers movie Fargo, which is like, you know,

you think about that money just in the snow. It's very similar to the money in the swamp. You know what I mean? It is just a little bit of money. But although the money is the actual motivation in both those Coen Brothers movies, that the money is nowhere near the motivation in this film. Right. Right. I do love when Vera Miles walks in as Lila Crane, the sister and you know she's like oh i'm looking for sam lumens right over and he comes out and this other guy that's working at the hardware store this guy bob like and sam's like hey bob why don't you go out and get some lunch and he's like oh i actually brought my lunch today sam and he goes

then go outside and eat it get out of here that's awesome i need some private conversation and if i'm remembering right at chris cabin uh check my memory on this the guy playing this in the van zan movie and is none other than Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist flee I'm pretty sure you're correct on that yes And you know But like what if you know what

That's really Sam That's kind of fucked up of you Because what if your friend over here Was trying to have sex for lunch He can't just go outside and have that He'll get a rest True What was he going to have at the store

Yeah oh hey At least it's inside I was looking for us Sam Loomis Were you looking for me Sheriff There is a terror coming to your town There is a man dressing up as his mother sheriff You have to believe me

There's a tear coming to your town Big Box Hardware store Home Depot sheriff It's coming Same name obviously A tip of the hat to this film Not the only tip of the hat Obviously Jamie Lee

Being in there as well Sure And also Oh, I was just saying also Billy Loomis and Scream. That's the other. All the Loomis is. Lumai. Continuant. Lumai, if you were, they're everywhere. But it's kind of great because she comes in and she's like, you know, have you seen Marion? Is Marion here? Blah, blah, blah.

And he's like, no, I haven't talked to her. What's going on? And then fucking Arbogast comes in. Martin Balls up just fucking sashes in. He's like, I can help with that friend. And it's just, oh, man, the friend thing is so good. I love when he says something I forget what Vera Miles says like Lila says something

like answering a question of his and he goes I don't know if I believe you and she basically spits in this dude's face with this great delivery of well I don't care if you believe me like who the fuck are you like I don't give a shit about what you're here for

my sister is missing Well I actually I get I get off on women being angry at me so if you want to just keep on doing that Keep yelling. Keep yelling. I'm ready to take it. But yeah, he decides he's going to go take a tour of all motels and hotels. Dude, I love it. It's the only real montage in the movie. Yes, this is good. And I fucking love it. It's just Martin Balsam walking around town going on all these like flop houses and boarding houses or whatever. And just shots are just people being like, you know, you don't know what they're saying. Yeah. Yeah. So good.

but yes he winds up at the Bates Motel doesn't take him long to get there and he's like no almost missed it from the highway and here comes Normie Bates just trying to like have he's because you find out it's kind of fun like how much of this is like stock nonsense

like yeah 12 12 cabins 12 vacancies like oh yeah the highway came and like it's just sort of like his normal conversation his normal conversation is a performance you know exactly yes yeah but it's amazing because like he even has a spiel prepared when no one's really driving by there

it's still just like ingrained in his head from when business was busier like he doesn't miss a beat like it's kind of flawless also Martin Balsam terrible private detective dude because you know you've got the titular psycho on your hands

when you pull up because he's just sitting outside the motel his feet up eating out of a bag of candy corn folks well that does that makes him a pervert and that should be addressed but what I like about that is he starts eating like there's a casualness or like a feigned casualness to him eating the candy corn

and as I go in and as Martin Balsam really starts as Arbighat starts pressing him about these things he goes from that I think it's when he brings out the ledger and the sign in book and he finds the lead he goes from that to chewing very vigorously I think it's a piece of gum I don't know for sure what he puts in there but it's very pointed

that like that's a nervous like that just to show the nervousness rather than like him like his eyes darting back and forth or something shit like he's also getting caught in lies here a little bit and he's covering them up like like oh you know I know I never seen her oh but then Arbagast has like a handwriting sample and it's like damn it he fucks up the yeah he fucks up that because he's like oh I got the handwriting sample he also fucks up like he says oh no one's been here here in weeks and then Arbagas says something and he's like Oh, yeah, a couple last week also said they almost missed it. And he's like, ah, see, that's what I'm talking about.

You mix up things, you forget things, yada, yada. I think, though, Chris, it still is the candy corn and he is just chewing it more nervously and more like animatedly. It's like inside he's shit in his pants. It's something's flat and white. It's something he puts in specifically. I don't know what it was. Dude, I think you're just looking at 1960 candy corn, dude. Is that just like all food back then?

It was garbage. It just looked like shit. and was garbage. And, you know, basically, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, actually, no, what I meant was I have had a woman come in here and she was actually Marion Crane.

Did you spend the night with her? Did you spend the night with her? Well, it is that, it's that like circular fucking cop. Yeah, circular lawyer, circular Captain Kirk talk, you know, where he's like, he goes, like, because his first question is like,

did she make any phone calls? And he's just very definitively like, no, no, no. And then he says, did you spend the night with it? And he's like, no. And then it's like, well, then how do you know she didn't make any phone calls? And I just want to be like, well, if you were putting it that way, what the fuck did you ask me for? You know, I'm not a fucking psychic. I don't know if phone records out here, asshole.

No, but he's getting tripped up, getting nervous. But he also is like a little defiant too. You know what I mean? Like there is, Norman has the ability to protect himself. you know what I mean and he's like you know at first he offers

you know you want to check all the cabins I'm going to change the linens right now you might as well come with me and enjoy it kind of a thing and then like

yeah once the conversation goes on to the mother because like he's like he lets it slip that his mother is around

and he's like well I'd like to talk to you can't talk to her she's an invalid you know what I mean Arbigh Seseer from the that's the silhouette

again he's like is that Michael Jordan up there is that your mother which one is yeah and then he's like oh I thought you said

you were alone he's like oh that must be my mother she's an invalid and yeah he's Arbighass pushing to like I want to talk to her no no no I told you she's sick you know I think I'm ready for you to go away now

or whatever and so he Arbighass does leave and he goes and he goes to a pay phone and he calls Lila and he's like hey so your sister definitely. stopped at this motel. Something's fishy here. I want to keep looking around. But very pointedly, he's like, but, but I can confirm, I'm relatively certain that Sam had no

idea that your sister came up here. Because that's still part of it. When he's at the hardware store is like, you didn't know, your girlfriend was on her way, you know, all that shit. So Sam now has kind of been cleared of any suspicion at this point is what he's saying. And he's like, I'm going to go talk to. Something about this old lady, this mother, I got to talk to her. I'll get back to you in about two hours or something like that. So he goes back to the hotel and he goes into the office and again,

I mean, I'm sorry, but you go into an office like this. You're looking for a missing girl. You see all these dead stuff birds? There's your guy. There's your guy. Caught him red-handed. Yeah, Arbighass just has to take one look around here and be like, yep, found him.

Hello, sheriff. The bird guy did it. Did you stuff anymore, birds? Jomey. And now here's where I take umbrage with your, with your methodology here, your police work Arbogast. You can't just walk into this house. Yeah. I mean, he gets, he gets punished for it. Oh, he certainly does. It's a straight punishment. I love this sequence. But yeah. Just walking right in. Not even a knock. Just just walking right in and closing the door quietly behind him. He

knows what he's doing. Well, I think there's some people that will tell you like, well, if the door's unlocked, they're allowed or something. Well, that person would be a fucking idiot. It's local rules, don't you know? You probably want to announce. Local rules is even worse. Local rules, you don't fucking go into people's houses. What are you kidding me? On the side of a road like that?

Well, I think a lot of small towns are more like that. They're like, oh, yeah, of course. You probably want to announce yourself like, hi, private detective. Mrs. Bates, Mrs. Bates. You know, do what he's snooping, dude. He's a private snoop. snooping around and I love the way this whole shot is constructed

just like right above looking dead straight down at the floor from the top landing and this is like it's almost like a precursor I wonder if it maybe even inspired it the jump scare and Exorcist 3 because this is a very similar a fucking

be robed woman comes out of nowhere and fucking stabs this dude just cuts him right in the face and just the shot of just his face like him kind of slowly falling down these stairs in a way it's it's fantastic it's the speed at which she comes out the door yeah yes it's like very forceful in a way that you weren't expected because like again you still don't know I mean like unless you're us and hood say but like when you're that first couple people who saw

this thing you're not you don't know you're just like there's something off about her moving like that being an old woman like that and her moving that quickly against but i don't know at it must have been great as i mean i'm going back to what eric said like it would have been great who have felt that and not known immediately because of animated shows. Imagine if the twist was like, yes, and then we see her skeleton had come to life. It's in play though, man.

It's totally in play in 1960. But I think you're too, if you're in 1960, you're in the theater and this hasn't been ruined for you by Asmosis, I feel like you're still, one, you're still rattled by that toilet. Two, you're still rattled by that shower scene. less than the toilet, but still pretty rattled.

Like, so you saw a toilet, then a woman was murdered, thrown in the swamp, all that shit. That, like, you're just terrified once again, like, your heart has just stopped racing. This happens right here. I don't think your brain has time to be like, well, that's moving way too fast for an invalid old woman. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. But you're right. When you look back at it, it is, it is eerie thinking like that's supposed to be an old woman moving like that.

It's just something off about it. And, like, that's the first thing I hit to you. And I, man, I wish that we. We had, like, you remember, you know, you've seen all that footage of, like, people interviewing people outside of Star Wars or, like, horror movies and be like, oh, my God. Yeah, you had, imagine, like, they, Psycho, you know, you hear about everybody being, like, went crazy for the murder and everything. But they actually got footage and just everybody was talking about the toilets. Nobody could stop talking about it. Like, it happens twice.

They go into the toilet. The master of horror. first you see a toilet then the toilet gets flushed and then a few scenes later a woman digs through the toilet she's touching a toilet well I'm gonna be honest with you

you know I've seen a lot of films I come to yes I come to the films quite often and I never seen a toilet in the film I never I never seen it nor did I ever see a piece of a paper being taken from a toilet come to think that I haven't seen a toilet in real life either you know just been using the outhouse back there

Going to go home, take a picture in my toilet. Look at me. I'm Alfred Hitchcock. No, yeah, I work construction over in Burbank, and I was invited to this special screening of Sacko. And I'm very happy to watch Mr. Alfie Hitchcock in this picture. Well, I, for one, didn't have a problem with the toilet being featured in the picture because, well, as a plunder about trade, I felt honored to have some of my work portrayed on screen for once. then I stayed for the entire end credits and I didn't see the single the plumber wasn't credited

whoever installed that was a top-notch job the velocity of the twirl of the toilet you don't credit these people and they got it all wrong by the way a piece of paper in the toilet

it would have disintegrated in that time I know from experience I've been plumbing for 10 years we are told that Marion has been missing for a week at this point when the movie catches up

after the murder So I feel like you're probably not reading the pencil off of the paper. That's that's not happening. That's a fair. That's a fair complaint. Oh, you're taking Hitchcock to test. We hate movies. Plot hole.

Guitar solo. But, you know, now we're cut back to Sam and Lila. Lila is very concerned that Arbighass was supposed to talk to her. She didn't. And he didn't, blah, blah, blah. Finally time to go to the police to find out, my God, the sheriff, the way he says this fella named Arbo

gas. Yes. It's like somehow anti-Semitic and I don't know how. It's just somehow he did it. It's like, wow, how did you do that? It's also like a brand of gas medicine. Yeah. Like, you should take Arbo gas when you're

dry shitting out your drawers. There's a great moment right when they basically when they decide to go see the sheriff. you don't see them here but it's this great moment of Norman back at the swamp because guess where

fucking Arbogas wound up. And you hear them yelling, you hear they're at the motel yelling Arbagas Arbagas and it's this amazing shot of Perkins turning around like turning to face the direction of the voice and the look

again just the look says it all like it's happening again more people are coming. Mother's going to have to kill. You know, it's all just like you see these gears turning with that stare of like, oh, fuck, more outsiders. Another car? This is my kitchen, man.

Trying to watch a fucking television here. Sorry, Swab thing. Just one more car. Can I fit it? God, fucking. Fine. Fine. The serial killer keeps ruining the game I'm watching. You're getting cable though, and I'm getting some of it. I'm fucking tired of this shit.

Yeah, so they go call Deputy Sheriff Al Chambers in the middle of the night. Yeah, some fellow Arbo, you're right. See, it does sound anti-Semitic and I can't even. A big city private investigator by the name of Arbo gas. I don't know. I do love, you know, Sam, like, lays out the whole story for them. And it's a sheriff and his wife who are listening to it. And she's great.

She's being like overly friendly the whole time, which is funny. But he goes, oh, yeah, yeah. We saw someone else at the house with Norman. And the wife was like, oh, no, Norman took a wife. And he goes, no, an older woman, his mother. And they don't, they don't let it slip yet. But the sheriff and the wife look at each other. And it's this great like, what the fuck did he?

He just fucking say old his mother. What the fuck? You're fucking dead. They call, the sheriff calls Norman. She absolutely should not do. You should go and investigate. Like, he's like, say, Norman, did you kill a little private investigator and a woman?

Nope. Well, right. Fair enough. He said no. That's all I can do. It is kind of great because you can imagine Norman doing rehearsed friendliness to him too. Because he's like, you know, Norman, it's a, you know, sheriff, whatever. and then before he can say anything

oh yeah I'm fine you can imagine like whatever those fake pleasantries are that he's dealing out or whatever but he's like yeah well Norman said he didn't he left or whatever so that's all I can do and then so this is great drop right here another bit of like what is going on if you don't know the movie

he's like well I think the problem really is with that private investigator of yours what's his name again Arbogast because he's like I think think the dudes, like, got his facts wrong because Norman Bates' mother's been in

fucking Green Lawn Cemetery for the last 10 years. Yes. Well, so, as so you think. I mean, she's out. She's done broke out. She's either, yeah, maybe, maybe, because there's even a line at some point, like, if she's not in the cemetery, whose grave is that? Or what, you don't know what I mean? Like, we're playing with

maybe she wasn't dead at all. Maybe she's again, like, all this is in play along with it probably actually Norman Bates himself. But it's all in play. Yeah. Well, and the sheriff also like adds on to the mystery because he's like, oh yeah, you know, I haven't been out to the Bates motels since all that business 10 years ago. What business 10 years ago you might ask? Oh, yeah, the murder of suicide. Mrs. Bates murdered her boyfriend and then killed herself. And then the wife is like, they found them in bed together. Ooh, gossipy about a 10 year old some last minute cuddles before entering the

the afterlife. Very romantic. Then we go back to the motel and this is Norman now going upstairs and this is a great this is another amazing shot because it's following Tony Perkins up the stairs and he goes into the bedroom. We don't yet have access to the bedroom and the camera almost as if like the camera was like up not allowed in here yet better time around. It starts doing this like crane tilt move and gets itself back into the same directly looking down position as when Arbighass was murdered. And this is, he's having a fight with her or whatever. No, I'm not going to go down to the fruit cellar in my own home. And like that whole argument or

whatever. And then I'll tell you who's a little fruity. It's you. It's a very like loaded line there from mom. Absolutely. They're so cutting. And then he is seen carrying a body out and she's talking the holder. Put me down. I can walk. Just walking down. And again, you're like, all right. Well, I didn't get like a face check. And I didn't see her moving. But Norman says that she's an invalid. So maybe. Yeah, she can't really move. Yeah. Once she's fully in frame. He's walking her down the stairs. We do get another of those fade to blacks that kind of helps cover that up. Yep. Exactly. Like that. All right. That's, that's, that's. That's, that's. That's, all you get now. We're going to turn the lights out on that scene. You're not going to see the rest of it. And how do you know that the fruit cellar isn't very comfortable

and very nice? You don't know. It might be a very, it might be luxurious. But I guess because she's been hidden there before this body. Yes. Mother, it's a finished fruit cellar. There's carpet down there and the walls are insulated and there's a television. Yeah, the ping pong table.

All the preserves you want. But we cut to church on Sunday. The sheriff and his wife are coming out and Sam and Lila are waiting for him. Like, did you see the Bates? What happened? They're like, oh, yeah, I went there. There's nicest pie.

Like, mother's still dead. You know what I mean? Like, and he just never said, and it's kind of great because he's like, you know, what you want to do is you want to come to my office and report your sister missing officially. Need to get the police involved here, son. It's all these, you know, big shitty types. Just fishing around that money.

Arbo gas. Just like Arbo gas. Last place. you would find him his here in a church I'll tell you that much So Lila's like Okay like they walk away The wife is hilarious

She's like Why don't you come by the house For Sunday dinner And fill out your nice paperwork then Okay And like they walk away And Lila's like Sam fuck the police

I want to go up there myself We're not waiting on this dude And his paperwork Let's go see what's going on And so these sort of like The final push of the movie here is we're going to go ourselves. We're going to check it out. We're going to pretend that we're a freshly fucked married couple on the road, whatever.

We are freshly fucked just so you know. Another twist diversion for the book was apparently Lila and Sam get together in the book. Like they fall in love, which is like so good that's out of this movie. Yeah. Oh my God. That's creepy even for me. Sounds pulled out of the Biden family tree. That one. I mean, that's good. That's good.

I mean, that happens a few times. Like, if anybody's read Jaws, Richard Dreyfus bangs the sheriff's wife in the book. Oh, yes. I recall hearing that. I've never read the book. I'm very happy they take it out in that case, too. I think it's not a good look.

I'm cucking your wife. Hey, Lorraine, Gary, let's fuck. Yeah, let's, let's, let's, Let's find out what's inside this shark. You don't know what was inside your wife. Oh, yes. About a license plate inside her, too. I left some tadpoles behind.

But so this is where, like, Sam Loomis, dude just fucks this whole thing. Oh, my God. Because he's being an asshole. He's been an asshole to Norman, like, immediately. Like, he's like, I asked for a rest of. my boss wants receipts he's paying for this fucking trip you give me a goddamn receipt you let me fill the fuck in on the log book oh what's that oh how convenient you know normally when you check in without bags it's a ten dollar deposit what the fuck's your problem why don't you take my money you son of a bitch he's just being so aggressive to him and I'm like dude you're trying to dupe this guy into like a level of comfort where you can then snoop around this motel fuck it up asshole yeah fucked it up but they do check in and like the idea is okay Sam you're the stupidest man in the universe

why don't you distract Norman while I snoop around the house I would totally flip that around but I guess like Norman is the one you're kind of worried about anyway like you wouldn't leave him alone with a woman but sure well I mean imagine if you were actually running a motel at the time your worst nightmare as far I mean maybe this is just my point of view here. Worst case scenario, the person who is renting a room wants to chat for a while.

And it turns into, wants to have a debate with you about like what you do there. I would just be like, get me right the fuck. I don't care if I'm crazy and like I have preserved my mother. I'm like, get me the fuck out of here right now. The reverse of that is

why I refuse to stay at B&Bs. I don't need to be talking to caretakers and having them make me breakfast and sit at their table with a bunch of other strangers. Thanks, but no things. It's weird. It's weird. Just let me go get a fucking egg McMuffin on the side of the road like everybody else. I want an anonymous

hotel that I could shit come and sleep in. I don't want to look anyone in the face afterwards either. Or during. That's actually on the, all the advertisements for La Quinta actually. Shit come and sleep at Le Quintan's and sweets. We're going to have to go there. Another bad move on these fucking amateur detectives such as they are here.

They're not exactly super sleuths because like you're saying first of all like he says in the car like we're going to search the motel like every interview or whatever. Wait until dark. Why are you doing this shit in the afternoon? Because dark is scarier. This is a scary movie we're in. got a point there. When she starts poking around there, I think she comes across like a children's room that I guess he might

be still sleeping in, which is... That's one of the creepiest parts. It's Norman's bedroom with a mix of dirty magazines and children's literature and toys all over it. It says everything about that guy. Yeah. And the one where he goes, where she goes into the room with all the dresses,

the way the whole thing was shot was just reminded me almost exactly and I haven't I should revisit it now but it reminded me of when clearly Starling is looking at Frederica Bill Mimmel's emptied out it looks very similarly shot I think in a way of covering like the way she goes into the closet with all the dresses and pulls it apart that way yeah that's when she shows she goes from the bedroom into Mrs. Bates's room as she's investigating and yeah goes through and she's got all these like nice dresses and furs and whatever. It's got to be Mothball City. Oh, my God. If this woman's been dead for 10 years, you know, you're not only trying to preserve

her, you're trying to preserve these clothes. There's also a huge indentation on the bed that lets you know that someone's been sleeping in this bed pretty recently. You better not be in my corpse groove. Also, the weird, I love the, like, Lila looks to the dresser, like a vanity or something. and it's this eerie like the statue of the hands folded over and they do like a close up on it it freaks me out every time

and like I don't know because it's not supposed to be like a mask of her hands or something is it maybe a death mask kind of a thing possibly like here's my mother's dead hands or whatever possibly people were fucking weird back then dude yeah

I do Sam is meanwhile being like you took the money didn't you baits didn't you base and it's like what are you told you gave it all away you idiot he like comes in like ready to spit on the floor at this guy and yeah really not doing a good job of buttering up and distracting him it's a lot of like oh yeah total nothing business here I'm sure $40,000 would have helped with that 40,000 what you know what the fuck I'm talking about moron 40,000 dollars now let's talk about your mother let's put all attention on your mother

and what's happening to her right now what's your mother doing right now huh Norman oh wait no no nobody did stay stay here how about that And he just knocks Like a total stiff gets knocked out here Like a fucking moron Oh yeah Because Norman sort of realizes Something's fishy here

And he goes wait a second Where's that girl you came in here with And like they start like getting into it or whatever And Norman Bates just fucking knocks this guy Right over the head right away And not for nothing Sam Loomis The only thing you're good for is being tall And built like a brick shit house

And this wayfish little weiner Gets the best of you embarrassing. Well, this guy's got like six kills under his belt, though. So he's ready to hang. Yeah. He's leveled up at this point.

All those muscles don't like protect your brain from being soft or the skull or anything like that. That can be cracked right open. So Norman storms into the house. Lila is aware of that. She like is trying to run out the door, but she sees Norman coming.

So she goes downstairs and she's like, say, that's an interesting door to look into. And this is the fruit cellar. Mrs. Bates? Ah, God damn. It's so great. It's a great, like she just taps the shoulder and the thing spins around like, hello. Yes.

Live from New York, it's Saturday night. I'm a fucking skeleton. Your mother is now with us, Norman. She's part of the Skeleton League. She will be the queen of us all, Norman. What do you think about that? We will take off. that Willie Nelson wig

and we will have her have a beautiful dome of bone bone dome. It's kept to our attention that you have you have putting some skeletons into the swamp we must release them release our brothers from their unfortunate

tubes. A skeleton cannot be trapped in a car unless it was in a car accident. We wish to speak with Swamp Thing. Yeah, Swamp Thing. Could you bring us the meaty bodies that are in your home? You must arrange a parlay with Swamp Thing for us, the Skeleton League. Yes, I would like a, we need a private investigator, a skeleton,

and another, we could always use another sexy lady's skeleton as well. Yes, it is truly my honor to take an audience with the Skeleton League, me, Swamp Thing. We will tell people of your kindest Swamp Thing. Now release the skeletons and there won't be no trouble. Let it be known that the swamp will always be friendly to the skeletons of this earth. That is right. We will leave your mushrooms alone if you leave our skeletons alone.

That is the deal. And as for you, Bates, no longer will our queen be held captive in your fruit cellar, you son of a bitch. And dear Swamp Thing, if there is a skeleton under, out of that stuff. We would be happy to have him with us. When the day comes, I burn up in a swamp slash forest fire. It would be my honor to join the skeleton league. We don't have roots in the skeleton leg.

You must have, you have a skeleton? What is going on under there? Can I get in there? Can I get in there? Can I take a piece? Can I move this mushroom? Yes, I'm totally one of you. My mother was a skeleton.

Hazar a legacy That is how it works Your mother must be a skeleton For you to be a skeleton It doesn't matter what the father It always transfers through the mother Yes it's through the mother Your name shall be flounder

Flounder Why not What movie were we talking about Swamwell house Yeah We're talking about animal house But there's a bunch of skeletons That are there

And Swamp Thing as well There's a new one. Animal house Boone and swampy playing cat and mouse Oh your nickname is D-Day That's very funny There was a lot of skeletons made

On that day Skeleton House Dot, that Da-da-da-la-lots Oh no The horse has died In Dean Bitterman's office We must quickly make it

A Skeletal horse A pledge pin On your tibia Do you mind if we dance with your dates. Of course we don't mind. Oh, Niedemeyer would later go on to die in Vietnam where they made a lot of skeletons. Oh, plenty of those.

Agent Orange could make a skeleton in 30 seconds flat. Our enrollments doubled after Vietnam. Just waved. Enrollments to the skeleton league. I like that. Oh, man. Yeah, so Mrs. Bates has been dead forever. And so,

yeah, Sam comes in at the last second and grabs Norman here as he's running in in Mrs. Bates dress. And as the psychiatrist is quick to criticize in the closing parlor monologue here, a real cheap wig. I love that

this dude is like, and after all the mental illness and everything else going on, he bought a shitty wig. That's how we know he didn't touch that $40,000. that cheap wig was a crime of passion not profit this guy's great though man

Norman Bates no longer exists which is so awesome and he just sort of goes into the hole like it's a real like listen we have to explain this movie to people at this point like it's been no dialogue and just looking at a bunch of things but this is what's

wrong with this guy yeah and like these scenes I hate these scenes usually because you don't have a good actor doing them but B you're not shooting them like so soberly as he is like it's not you know

he just wants to get the information and he's giving the guy room the actor room to play with the room like he's walking around a little bit he's having fun with it like that's you have to allow that for me to take on all this information that you're pile driving me with yeah and apparently Hitchcock

wasn't super crazy about the pile driving himself but the studio kind of insisted on it but yeah I do agree like it is sort of funny like even this thing that he wasn't super jazzed on actually I think I think it helps the movie a little bit I think you know it'd be fine if it just ends with the

the monologue from Norman Bates like you know to be the mother you'd get it you know in a more modern movie but yes we're these people haven't seen a fucking toilet you know what I mean like let's just let's take them by the hand a little comprehend toilet on screen they're not going to get split personnel that he's, so you do have to

hand hold a little at the end. And I think it's fine. And I think it's, there's some effective stuff here, especially when we get like the skeleton face, superimposed over. Oh, sure. I do love the he, so the guy is like, yes, it all

started back when Norman killed his mother and murdered the boyfriend there. And then he's like, oh and he's, I believe, at least according to the mother, he's struck two more times. You don't happen to have any missing persons on file in this town, do you?

And the guy's like, the cop's like, uh, yeah, too. And the dude is like, uh, were they young girls? And this cop is just like, son of a bitch. God damn it. Oh. I went by that point's motel three times. Shit. I was trying to blame it on an Elvis concert. We would be happy to adopt

the two women who are down there too swamp thing. We would love to take them in. Well, Listen, I'll take them all off your hands and I'll give you 30 mushrooms. How does that sound? And $700. That's a fair trade in.

But yeah, you know, he's like, the fucking doctor is like, I got a feeling if you drag that swamp out behind the motel, you're going to have an awful lot to sift through. And we also very specifically under one of the things you want to underline because one guy, I think Sam, who's a little bit like

So why was he wearing a thrice? And the other guy's like, I'll feel that. I'm an asshole. He's a transvestite. It's like, well, no, that's not exactly true because he believed he was the mother. And he wasn't doing it for his own sexual pleasure for himself or just whatever his own identity. He was like, his personality was a woman, therefore she would dress. So I think that's sort of interesting for Hitchcock to sort of very specifically underline there.

Yeah, no, I think that's important. Yeah. And then we got to Ted Knight of all people. Let anyone catch this? Absolutely, dude. I've loved looking at Ted Knight in this tiny little roll for a couple years.

Norman is like, can I get a blanket? No, let me get two blankets. You'll get nothing and like it. I believe so. Well, we're waiting for the blankets. You know, the world needs motel owners too. Buy the Bates Motel. But no, you.

10 night is just this. There's, I think one of the other guards like, oh, she said he said he was cold. He wants a blanket. Can we get him one? I was like, sure. And then this is when we lean in on the great Anthony Perkins, just just facing it up here, man.

One of the best faces to ever face. Really good face. Good face time here. And then also that the mother inner monologue of like, not I'm not even going to swap that fly. Oh, yeah. It's sad when a mother has to speak the words that will commit her. own son.

It's just so great that she thinks she's winning at the end which is so fucking, that's like one of the more chilling parts of it. They'll say that she wouldn't even harm a fly. It's totally good. My idiot son did it all. That smile too, that

crack of the smile. Oh my God. Yep. It's fucking great. And then the last shot of the movie I think is one of my all-time favorite final shots of a movie. Just the total. truck pulling this fucking car out of the swan. Yep, exactly.

And just the end coming right. It's so great. And it like, that's also, it's a very TV ending. You know what I mean? It's just like, well, we had 52 minutes to feel and this comes at 5147. You know what I mean? Like,

this is the last thing. We've got to get out of here. There's no more to this. And thank goodness, there is no Sam and Lila getting together. Awful thing. Awful move that would have been. Um, yeah. And because it's a movie in 1960, there's no credits. There's no fucking stinger scenes. There's no sequel setups. It is a tow truck dragging a car out of a swamp. Fade to Black. End of movie. That is the end of Psycho. Go around the horn here. Final thoughts. Eric Siska. Oh, yeah. I think it's, I think it's brilliant. Obviously, this is a great fucking movie. Um, I will also recommend, um, I actually watch Psycho 2, uh, pretty much, um, I watched it before. this, this rewatch. And it was way better than I expected. Um, so it's probably worth checking out as well. Obviously, it's nowhere near in the same league as this, but it was a pretty

good time. Chris Cabin. Uh, yeah, great movie. Uh, we're seeing. If you have not seen it, uh, see it. Uh, I think it's well worth your time. Uh, it's not, you know, it's not my favorite, uh, Hitchcock. Uh, it's probably my top 10, but probably it might be at 10. Um, Wow. It's pretty low. I mean, I think the guys made like 15 outright masterpieces. So I'm like, you know, that's fine. Anywhere in that realm, you're doing just fine.

But like, and I also am a fucking insane person who's seen like almost everything but like the super early shit. But what I will say is like despite that, like you come back to this. And all the like things that are incredible about this thing are still incredible. Like it's not, none of it is worn off. of the, like, way he made the style of it has not dulled at all. It works and it highlights a lot of ideas that are both in the image and just suggested by the image. I think it's packed full of stuff and I love it quite a lot. Steve Saneck. Yeah, I think Chris is totally

right. We do get a lot of like, oh, you know, I never saw this movie and that's, it's always totally, hey, it's totally fine to have never seen a movie by the way. And the easiest way to rectify that is to watch a goddamn movie. And I do think that, like, you could say like, oh, I get it. the dude dresses up as his mother and, like, kills people, uh, we all get a little mad sometimes. There's just so much here. The performances are so good.

The camera work is so gorgeous. Scor just moves. And it's like a buck 45 or something, a buck 49. Like it's a, yeah, it's a trim little movie. It's a horror movie.

You know what I mean? Like, it is scary. It is. And the horror, it's what I, again, one of my favorite kinds of horror that comes in to subvert

another film. You know what I mean? Because that's what, that's what horror would do, wouldn't it? You know what I mean? You don't know what I mean? you don't know you're in a horror movie until

somebody, you're in the shower and somebody cuts your fucking throat. And I love that. Yeah. And I think that that's fucking fantastic. And I think that it's just, yeah, it's a classic for a reason. Yeah. It's one of my favorite Hitchcock's. I don't know where I would put it, but it's definitely one of my favorite Hitchcock, for sure.

It's, uh, it's number two for me. I'm, uh, still partial in North by Northwest. Love that guy. But this is like, you know, I think it's like a good, uh, you know, uh, gateway drug. for Hitchcock, if you haven't really explored that filmography. It's a very accessible movie. It's also like a good

gateway to older horror, and I think that's kind of important, you know, if you're interested in like looking back at film over the years and everything, like, it's important to acclimate your brain to like things weren't always Eli Roth movies or whatever. You know what I mean? Or like, you know, Tom Savini

didn't always exist. And I think that's very important to keep in mind. I was thinking about this actually this past weekend, Steve, when you and I went to see The Shining, and there was a girl in front of me who was just too cool for the fucking room and was making a lot of sarcastic hand gestures and shit during a total masterpiece. And I feel like that person could watch this movie and also be a total asshole about it. Like, you know, understand that the thing you're watching was produced 64 years ago and

released 63 years ago, you know, like, it is lifetimes away from what we watch now. but like in in like with that in mind like watch it for the filmmaking again yeah through osmosis you probably already knew about this movie if you hadn't seen it and you know before you heard us talk about the entire thing even still like for the filmmaking for the performances for the historical significance of it um i think it's a very important movie and i will say i've seen all three sequels two's a good time uh three is not great and four is one of the absolute dumbest things you'll ever see in your life. Love that. Like so stupid you should watch it. It was a made for TV

movie. Real bad. Real bad. Is Perkins back for four too? Did he come back for office? Perkins is back for four. And it is a he's calling into a radio show talking about like how he is about to like he's with a lady friend or he's married now or whatever it is. And she's going to have a baby. And he's nervous that he's going to, like, raise it like his mother raised him. So it's all this like flashback scenes. Like you see a younger

Norman Bates like do the double murder of the wife and the boyfriend and everything. It's fucking donkey shit. Wow. It's a real bad. Yeah, I have, that's the only one I haven't seen. I wasn't crazy about three. But hey, wow, this fourth one, CCH Pounder's in it. CCH Pounder is the woman hosting the radio show that he's calling into. Cori and I,

MDB, one John Landis also acts in this movie. Wow. That I don't remember. That's insane. I got a big old box set coming to me and I'm going to rewatch them sequels there because I'm just that kind of person. But that is going to do it for our Hitchcock conversation this week

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Patreon $8 level and by the way there is so much content coming at you on this fucking Patreon feed this month you might need to take a day off of work Chris Cabin what are we talking about on the Nexus on the Nexus we were talking about a little film called the thirst for fuck oh yeah which

I for some reason in the in the middle of the episode forgot what it was about and then just had to look at the title and I was like oh there we go that's good that's what they're nice roadmap right there and then Eric over on

the Gleap glossary we were talking about a big boy we are talking about a big boy this month Grand Admiral Thrawn so that should be a lot of fun that is one of the premier Star Wars characters now Eric Is he blue Baba Dibabouda or otherwise?

He's from Planet Eiffel 65. Oh, nice. Is that the name of that band? I believe so, yes. I heard there's a lot of ketamine on that planet. Very. That's what turned them blue. So, yeah, that's going on.

That's a lot of fun. You can hear Eric and I try to remember what little we can about that Asoka season. Yes. What Thron was farting around with on there. We will talk about that briefly, but you can all. also just take a nap. You also, we will not talk about briefly, but we'll talk about in full on animation damnation

is the masterpiece known as Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Oh, yes. Full length episode for $3 people. You get a full episode on Who Framed Roger Rabbit and all of the backup ADs forever and ever, by the way. That's right. Animation Damnation, one of our, I think, our longest running side show

if I'm remembering, right? So yes, full length episode. of movies featured on both the Nexus and animation damnation this month to celebrate We Love Movies Month. Now here on the Tuesday feed we'll call it because it's not the WHM feed right now. It is the WLM feed. But on the Tuesday feed, we love movies month continues next week. Steve, which

motion picture are we talking about then? Oh, it's going to be a goodie. It is Batman begins. He's starting up. Now this is the first Batman movie ever made or is it the last Batman movie ever and somewhere in the middle I think but I'm going to have a lot

of fun revisiting and it's been a while since I've watched this one I remember there being great stuff in here and there's also some stuff you could nitpick and I'm sure we will so I'm excited to do that oh absolutely but we got our our bud Liam Neeson among other things

there opi in the movie of course yes Oppenheimer is in the movie also known as Scarecrow because he scared everyone during World War II. Indeed. But, yes, that is next week when we're talking Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins. Until then, I've been Andrew Jupin.

Arbogast. Eric Siska. Chris Gavin. Take a Tisi. Thank you.