We Hate Movies - S14 Ep707: Batman Begins (W❤️M)

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

“I, in my home, right now, have a bat from the movie Batman Begins” - Steve On this week’s episode, W❤️M month continues as we chat about Chris Nolan’s fabulous comic book adaptation, Batman Begins! Has there been a softer Little Boy Bruce Wayne in cinema? Why couldn’t they have put a little more spirit gum on Liam Neeson’s goatee at the beginning? How fantastic is Cillian Murphy in this and shouldn’t Scarecrow have been a larger character? Does anyone have proof that Pennyworth was a real show and not just a tax shelter? And why can’t more studios look to these Nolan films to reassure themselves that it’s… okay to recast an actor? Hmm? PLUS: Batman blows his fortune on movie merch! Batman Begins stars Christian Bale, Cillian Murphy, Gary Oldman, Katie Holmes, Liam Neeson, Tom Wilkinson, Ken Watanabe, Rutger Hauer, Linus Roache, Mark Boone Junior, Morgan Freeman, Richard Brake, and Sir Michael Caine as Alfred Pennyworth; directed by Christopher Nolan. Be sure to get tickets for the WHM Holiday Extravaganza where we’re talking The Santa Clause on 12/7 at White Eagle Hall in Jersey City! Want more WHM? Join our Patreon fam today and instantly unlock hours and hours of exclusive bonus content, including Ad-Free WHM Prime at the $8 level and up! Check out the WHM Merch Store featuring new Polish Decoy, ‘Jack Kirby’, and Forrest the Universal Soldier designs! 

This week on the program, it's time for all of us to get the memo. It's Batman Begins. I'm Andrew Jupin. That's what I like it, Mr. Jupin. I'm Stephen Zadak. Eric Manc, Chris Cabin, Al-Goole. And we love movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to We Love Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, that's right. We are talking Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins from the great year of 2005. Andrew, I found that arrowhead. That's mine. Why did you take that?

What an insignificant thing in this movie. At least he didn't dress up as someone who owned an arrowhead back in the day. Now, just to alleviate any concern, by the way, we've read Batman comics. Yeah, that's true. We've opened the Batman comics and our little peepers read the Batman comics. These people have read Batman comics. I haven't like actually. I don't think I ever, like, read a line.

I read, like, the Frank Miller, Dark Night, right? And Long Halloween. Graphic novels, I have got, I've never actually read a line. Batman comics now have become completely poisoned to me. Really? It's just, it's all dark bait, Joker. There's a joke who's got this. Everyone has become a Joker.

Can we say, no, it's actually amazing. Just in case there's a lunatic listening to this. Sure. It's actually, everything is good that you, like is good. Let me stop here right there. There are definitely lunatics of every kind of, I mean, there are so many lunatics listening to us right now. It's okay to like a movie, though, and it's okay to like a comic book line where everyone's the joke. Sure. I mean, wasn't there some crazy thing where it was like the Joker? There was like some hardcore, like he was like

cutting people up. Oh yeah. Yeah. Maybe eating people. Probably. There was three Joker at one point. and then there's a Joker from the future that's actually Batman and it just gets fucking stupid. It just gets stupid. So whatever beef you have with these Christopher Nolan movies just look at how bad it could fucking be. And you know, I like this for...

I was surprised. I didn't watch this in a bit. It's a really engrossing good movie. You know what I mean? It wraps you up in a story. And the story is very Batman-y. Even though it's not like garish and whatever. it is, it's very, very

Batman-y. This I feel is on the same vibes wavelength as the Batman in that it's just kind of more like grounded crime stuff with just the tiniest bit of the Batman comic theatricality with like fear toxin.

Like fear toxin is kind of the one thing where it's like, that's the fantastical. I mean, yeah, but I still like it. I think it's a good idea. I mean, I think Scarecru is... I'm not knocking it. A great villain to do i mean to me this is a perfect movie like it means so much to nolan like it like it is like it is his story too it is about finding your style and your theatrical flare

and stamping it because this is the first nolan movie that feels like a nolan movie it is almost too well made in a way it's almost too like it's dense you can just tell it's like it's like it's like you look at an art object or something this one's got no grooves on it at all it's perfectly constructed almost to a fault like that Batman movie the Matt Reeves one and that this might be the runtime talking right that can breathe it can take those beats right this can't we got to keep going

but that is also a Nolan thing like until I mean I didn't love Nolan until Tennant Tenet and Oppenheimer I mean like I love Memento Memento was my little boy I do love Memento but like everything else I've just been like good that was good and then what has changed

is he got a new editor Tenet was his first movie with God I forget her she edit I think she edited Manchester by the sea I think she's incredible and it to me has changed everything I was hesitant

about loving with Nolan before has been bettered in the editing of this and I mean the shooting point Van Hoitima is doing some amazing shit yeah great name by the way Jennifer lame Oh wow. She did, yeah, Tenet, Marriage Story, Hereditary, and you correct Manchester by the C and then a bunch of assistance stuff. Do you Appi? Let me check in on Opi. Let's check in on Opi. Yes, she did. Yeah. That's a great movie. Those have been his new major technical, like. I'll tell you this, though. I think it also depends upon who she's working with because this woman also directed Black Panther Wakanda Forever. Or edited. Edited. Excuse me. Yeah. Edited. Yeah. edited the movie.

movie. Yeah. I'm not thinking it could have cut some more scenes out of that. Yes. I mean, Hoyt van Hoytema and her have to me really up to his game completely. I think Tenet and Oppenheimer work at a whole new level for him. I'm going to have to rewatch Tenet because I didn't, I didn't hate it like everyone else.

I despised it. Yeah. Good. I'm glad you have that perspective, Steve, because there's some lunatic. He thinks he's the third Joker. He's furious that we're saying good things about Tenant. I didn't. hated. I just, I was straight

up, like, willing to be like, did anybody get it? Yes. But then like, because I'm a physical media pig, I just bought the 4K with only being like lukewarm on the movie, but then I rewatched it like at home. And I was like, oh, now that I kind of, I'm not going to say

that I fully understand that movie, but I kind of got the beats better. I was like, it's more enjoyable to yeah. I probably could do the second spin, to be fair. And I know. Who's got the time? Well, no, that's the second. It's great to make a movie that I have to watch

three fucking times to get. Right, right. It's confusing movie that came out during the end of the world so it was a little weird. I waited you out on Southland Tales. I'm willing to wait you out.

You know, are you always going to play that. I should have never told... I've done this once, by the way. I should have never told you. I should have just been like silent in my... But I was a big enough man to say, listen,

you were right about Southland Tales. That movie does rule. I'll never be right about Tenet. Hey, no, I mean, I'm willing to believe you're going to be a big man again when the tenant thing happens. So we'll check back in in 10 years and see.

10 years is fine. If we're all here. Here's a way to start. This little Bruce Wayne is probably the softest Bruce Wayne has ever been. Dude, this kid's got, there's the real pinchable cheeks. You know what?

The cry face the whole time. Yes, he does. The little kid in Joker was a little, I think, pudgier maybe. More cheeky. Oh,

yes. Well, and actually the little, the one in Burton's Batman, as a little doughy as well a little pudgy little kid. And this is what inspires Batman. See, if you're a doy little kid, you could always become a street

vigilante. Yeah, yeah. The taunts are what starts it. That's what makes you want to beat Batman. Oh, yeah. But like he... He looks like, I mean, from this first little scene where he falls in the well and everything, it's the same facial expression him having fun playing with his little friend, Rachel Dawes. Yeah.

As he has when he's scared in the opera. Yes. Like the kid is just perpetually scared face. Yes. And you see, a fatter kid isn't going to be so scared. Because they have lived through a little bit of this tauntings.

They know what likes about. There's an edge to them. Yeah. I'm and Rachel, they're playing. She finds an arrowhead and he's like, it's mine. Everything in this card.

It is mine. Hold this arrowhead for me till I get back from the doctor. It's mine. You got to, we're missing the scene we never see her he falls down to well and Rachel has to run for help

you've her mother must be like you fucking kidding me are you fucking kidding me this is our livelihood right now you're supposed to marry that kid you're here you're out there to be flirting

not fucking killing him oh this is just like you isn't it destroying the Daw's family plans with your selfishness you were supposed to marry him now what are we gonna do. We don't ever explore that

really, but she must be from a prominent family if she ends up like the DA and she's she's been invited into the castle. No, no. She works on the ground. Start from the bottom now she's here. This is her situation. Maybe not a maid but she works on the grounds. Yeah, but a maid there or working on the grounds there.

That's like seven figure salary. I would wager. I mean, maybe not that, but I would wager like the Wayne Foundation, probably paying for Rachel Dawes law school. Oh, something. Oh. that you'll never have to pay a stute loan in your life.

But remember where it came from. Don't you ever fucking forget. Turn a blind eye. Because of financial crimes of the Wayne family. Alfred, you have to help me. Bruce is dead at the Bonneville. Put him under the Rose Garden. Don't tell anybody about it.

We'll just say he disappeared. Oh, well, he must have ran away with that Razalgoo. And my boy ran away with Razau goo. Perhaps. joined a circus. And those roses were blue. Yesterday, we're in his dolls. But no, they go get him.

And of course, heroic Linus Rocious Thomas Wayne comes down. Oh, Law and Order's own. England's own. Yes. Yeah, this dude, you know, I always like this dude as Thomas Wayne. Yeah. You know, it's one of those, like, it's the deal with the devil. It's like, if I have to, if I have to, if we must, watch these people perish on the screen.

at another time, at least populate it with some good actors. Now, Martha Wayne doesn't really get much. She's a creature, I'm sorry. She gets some scream time. Every time she's beefed. This one, I like Linus Roach, because it's the only time Thomas Wayne

is a character. Like, we actually get a moment or two with him to get to know who he is. Like, he's the mayor in the Batman or the would be, you know, the dead mayor. Oh, that's right. But like you don't actually get a moment with him. this you're like you get to what he believes in what is you know philosophies are these are good things to

know and i wonder if maybe that was one of the like deals nolan made it's like all right if we have to do this again it's got to be at least a little bit of a character there's got to be a little bit of information exchanged to be fair though i mean you're you're you're all dating ourselves because this was i date myself usually in the morning a revolutionate with a capital r excellent Thank you. Some people do it late at night. Take your first thing. Oh, man.

Yeah, you need that boost. No, but I think that like because this is, you know, this is, it's the first reboot and it's the first time we're ever redoing it. You know what I mean? That's true. This is a revolutionary idea in some ways to be like, no, and then we'll go back to the beginning. Because, you know, we didn't see the beginning in that bird. Yeah.

In the Bertram. You see, he's already Batman. What happens before he's Batman? So this is like, that's where we're living in. And we're also living in a post, uh, in a post, um, Zach Snyder World. No, pre of Zach Snyder World. Oh, you mean 2005. Well, you said now we're living in.

So I thought you meant 2020. Well, that's true. We are. And we're waiting for those pearls abouts every fucking time. Now, now we've seen that scene 15 times. At this time, we've only kind of seen it once. But you're right, though. sell this as a prequel. And prequels

were all the rage, 2005. Also Revenge of the Sith. Oh, right. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Big year for prequels. That's true. It's, uh, and there's a little bit of Ramey's Spider-Man here, just a touch. Like, it's,

yes, I would say this time, and I've seen this movie at least 10 times. And like, the other day when I watched it, it was the first time I was like, oh, and again, I know we're saying this a lot over the last few years. I don't know if it's because of the state of things now, such as they are. This felt so much more like a comic book movie,

like capital C, capital B comic book movie. And I think a lot of it was like I was being reminded of all this comedy that's in it. Yeah. Which is also like very ramy Spider-Man. Yeah, I also think it's, I don't know if Elfman hangs over Spider-Man so much. But this is Zimmer, correct?

Oh, yeah. It's Zimmer Newton Howard combo. Okay, because that really does, keep the motor running at all times. Oh, yeah. When you say Elfman, you mean Danny or do you mean some type of Elf Man, like a super being? I mean, Green Goblin does

look elfish in a way, but no, I am talking about Danny Elfman, of course. You're totally right, because this movie starts with the score. It's just the score and like, you know, you're getting your early DC Con and you're like, oh, fuck, you're at Co. You also get the bats doing the bat symbol.

That's pretty cool. I also will say, I'm curious about this. because I remember, you know, when watching this last night or the other night, the, when it ends, you know, it's like, oh, look, you do it. You'll never have to. It flies away. Yeah. And then it, the title card drops kind of like a mic drop.

And that, I think, was early on, if not maybe the first time someone's done that in a major motion picture. Yeah, we're just like. You've just watched Batman begin. The title card hits right on like the crescendo of the music. And it's like, you just got your face fucked by a Batman movie. Boom, bum, bum, bum, but now I feel like that's all. Now we're always put in the title last and we don't have the, because we never do it in the start anymore.

Yes, exactly. Well, because we're, we always like, this is a perfect story. Christopher Nolan, one of the biggest directors in the world currently, start like, makes his first major hit and his first major, like, stylistic. This is what my movies are going to look like. out of Batman turning into Batman for the first time. It lines up perfectly

and then that it turns out to be like some of this and its sequel end up being two of the most influential fucking movies ever because of this shit. And like, but nobody, the issue is, is now everybody's making calculations rather than just saying

like, I don't know, Amy Simons, make a Catwoman movie. Exactly. Do whatever you want to do with it in this budget got to check with us on some stuff but like do your way I would say I mean what an excellent I would watch an Amy Simon's

Catwoman movie tomorrow great director that would be awesome incredible director as opposed to Dia Dacosta prepping her new movie while the old movie is in post production because she and I mean like people like I can't believe she did that like no of course because the post production Marvel doesn't allow

her in the office anyway she might as well prep the good movie you know if he's like It feels like Nolan put everything on the field here. You know, this was a big swing. I feel like if this was the only movie he did, he'd be almost fine with that because he's doing everything he wants to do. And in the modern way, you kind of have to tee up 50 sequels out of it. Well, it's like everything else.

It is now turned into the machine. It can't, like it does, it is not to make a movie. It is to continue the machine's process. You could even, if they didn't make a trilogy out of this, you could still have that like, he's got a flamph of the, theatrical ending and it would still just be a cool oh cool now he's going to go oh the joker got it you don't need to know who the joker is or need to know who the joker is played by and all that stuff right to enjoy that scene you were talking about the idea of like this being almost pitched as a prequel

the joker is the guy in that first keaton movie yeah you're right so in a way i mean i know when christian bale isn't michael keaton and these movies aren't exactly connected but it felt like here's how he began you know the Joker stuff already but sure I'll do a sequel. It's a wink and I mean and that's something that got like that became fucking the worst math we ever started

to do in the machine which was oh no if we're making a fucking Sherlock Holmes movie he can't fight his nemesis Moriarty in the first one it's got to be in the second one oh you're making a fucking Aquaman movie you can't you don't mean like it's only no no you save that one for the second one right he said

him up for the second one. It's like, no, just make your fucking movie. Like even, even that stupid, not stupid, that very good Ninja Turtles movie. No, no, no. The Shredder, he's going to be in the second one. Yeah. Can I just get the fucking thing? And that's kind of funny with that Turtles movie because like every, you know, mutant under the sun, including like kitchen sink man is featured in the third act of that Turtles movie. And then it's like, and by the way, Shreda. No, no, no, no. you already had the other 400 like little villain mutants just bring it in but I think that's

like I feel that logic is like well everybody's expecting Shredder to be there it's also like we've already seen it so many times and if you want to make your mark on it you kind of have to devoid yourself of that property it also would go against what that movie is trying to talk about like

mutant solidarity like Shredder is not a mutant that's what I like about like I thought that's the better underpinning it I guess it's going directly into Super Shredder. We're now talking about Super Shudder. So. Well,

let me quickly say because there's a lot of people spreading misinformation and propaganda on their, on the world about me. I have read all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle books. Thank you. I've read all. Congratulations. You deserve a medal of freedom. Thank you so much. I've seen every cartoon episode, yes.

I recently watched that animated Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie and I loved it. Yeah. It's great. I love it. I love it. It broke Eric Siska, ladies and gentlemen. There you go. Not Miyazaki.

No, no, no. The Teenage Mutia Ninja Tournament movie. So, yeah, he falls down the well and, you know, we do get Linus Roche as his dad. And it's like, we get this. And I mean, I think the screenplay here is so, it's so good because it's so sweaty. And like, in so far, in a good way where like we're repeating lines over and over to really like hammer themes with a fucking, with a goddamn, I don't even know what with a building we're hammering. But like, you know, just the why do we fall so we can get back up and like the whole fear thing is. all throughout.

Like, you know, they're, they're more afraid of you than you are them and blah, blah, blah. You won't always be a fat little bitch. And then he, this one develops him to get strong. Bruce, why do we fall down so that we can stop being fat little bitches? What did you say? No, no, nothing. No, I don't know, my sweet son. No, no, no.

Hey, called you a fat little bitch, Master Wayne. This house housed six generations of fat little bitches just like you. Oh, Master Wayne, your fat little bitch fell on the well. You want me to go get him? No, yeah. You clawed the mountain, then you get your personal pan pizza. Oh, Master Wayne, you remember when you were a fat little bitch? Well, your fat little bitch fell down the fat little bitch well.

Oh, you're drinking orange juice. You know, when you were a little fat pig, I couldn't force orange juice on you. You said Coca-Cola for every meal. Billionaire Playboys can stay up all night. and party but little fat bitches get up in the morning and drink the green juice I have a six pack Alfred okay

isn't that enough? He shows Linus Rose shows the famous pearls and it's like you think your mom's gonna like them and it's like you you do there is people have said it better than me but like Nolan isn't so fantastic with writing women and that's very obvious here

because she's just like I'm benign in the background Hello Hi I'm on almost a ghost. No, yeah, fondle your

mother's pearls. Fondle them a little bit. I mean, like this lady is dead before she shot in the street. You know what I mean? Yes, yeah. They go to,

they're on the, the wane train here. Look at this. A couple of rich people taking the subway. How about that? And feeling mighty good about themselves while they do it.

They're so proud of themselves because they built the subway and guess where it goes? Trump Tower. Yes. There's a bit of, the wanes are Trump. a little bit for sure. You know what? I'm not going to brush that dirt off my shoulder. That dirt belongs there. But the movie's also cutting back and forth between the Chinese prison at this point. Yeah. Well, just because we mentioned it already. The thing about the subway scene that I found a little bit bothersome this time is you need one quick mention of it's showtime folks. God. Yeah, you need a bunch of panhandlers. Please back up. Please back up.

Oh, man. We built this subway to build it. It's showtime, everybody! Oh, all right. Bruce, sit down. Come here, you fat little bitch. And one day I'll grow up to fight these dancers and panhandlers. No, no, yeah, you're going to need two seats for your fat butt cheeks.

No, you need to have a line where it's like this is Bruce's first time going into the big city. Because the way that they're talking about this is so like... it's unbelievable to me that this is the first time Bruce Wayne has heard this information you know what I mean I help build the trains and then I got all the water set

like he's also laying out all the shit from the end of the movie but might as well be looking into the camera saying no exactly and that's why it's like oh oh because he's Bruce is asking him all these questions that like if it wasn't his first time going downtown with the family

like why would you be having this conversation all over again he also it's like it's the first time he met his father because he's like Well, yeah, that's, I leave the running of Wayne Enterprises to better men. And then he, little, little bitch, risters like, better men than you, Daddy. How is that possible? What? Aren't you, God?

Yeah, but that's like one of the things, right? Like, that he doesn't know that his dad works at the hospital. Like, that's a conversation that probably already happened. But this to me is part of parcel with all of the, like, what's changed. cheesy about this. Like it is comic booky to me. This is how you would get that information across in a comic book. No, it's totally fine

but you definitely just need like, this is your first time we're going into the city. So what does he do at the hospital now? He's a doctor. He's a physician. Is that in the books? That's all over the books. So what is it? What kind of physician? We're talking feet or bugs? I think it's I think he's probably a GP

GP. A general practitioner? Not a gynaecologist? Not a gynaecologist. No, no, no. I mean, that And that plays a very big part in The Batman when he, you know, is kind of a mob doctor for a hot minute. And that sort of sits of darkness that follows and stuff. Yes, that's right. Because is he mayor or is he running for Marr? He's running for him.

And he's running for murder. Yeah. Which I do really love that. I was surprised how much I liked the Batman. I rewatched it yesterday after watching Batman begins just to see like some. So that was your whole day, huh? Yeah, that was literally my whole day. Batman fever.

Six and a half hours. The sun is setting while something in the way fucking just, just reprises, which is also awesome. I just love Matt Reeves. Paul Bearer, forgiven, everything else. I just love him. Them apes movies are great. Great job. But what I would say, this is just me talking to Thomas Wayne here.

If my child had just had a traumatic experience involving back. I would not take him to bats the opera I would not I would avoid doing that I don't understand how you don't understand like also no kid wants to go to the opera just take Martha you know you got a live in babysitter oh well just oh I'll take your fat

little bitch for the night we'll watch some some good movies you had to find the one scary opera to take him to you couldn't take him to like one of the normal ones would you just strangles his wife Would you like me to order a pizza pudgy let's do that you go to the video store you know what we'll buy a video store

that's fine get all the clamshell case VHS tapes you want fat boy it's a Bruce Buster now I'm buying this video and I'm doing a little changing about the popcorn rules or whatever

no more editing the movies for content this is now a Bruce Buster I'm not rewinding shit we're getting rid of Act 2 it's Orville or bus Oh, and Liz, uh, Lou Diamond Phillips movie Bats. Yeah, that's going in the garbage. Because I hate him.

Vincent Price is the bat also in the garbage. Most Dracula movies. Garbage. You know, I mean, this, we could have had because, you know, he becomes the thing that he's afraid of, which is bats. But we almost had Opera Man. We did. Like, by, boy. Exactly.

Man. I could have been opera. I also became the thing I was afraid of failure. Yeah. I love But yeah So it's the scary bat show And it's so it's like

Cirque de Soule presents bats And people are kind of flying all over the ceiling and shit I don't know what it is Set dressing seems a little Wagner-esque I don't Deflater mouse possibly Yeah I mean it Hey I love the opera

That's just me But yeah I mean For little kids it doesn't seem like Although the Batman versus Superman Kind of rears towards your movie idea they're going to see John Borman's Excalibur in that which is a great fucking movie but I'm still kind of perplexed why it's even in it. Well, interestingly enough, the traditional Batman, what his parents were doing before they were murdered is they took him to see Zorro. Oh, so that's where he just copied it.

He gets the idea and very specifically Nolan wanted to excise the Zorro piece because he wanted becoming a massed vigilante to be sort of more Bruce's idea. And that's why he also staunchly believes that no other. superheroes could possibly exist in this world because it's Bruce Wayne's idea and it's more powerful if it's Bruce Wayne's idea. It is. It versus him just watching pop culture and being like I'm going to do that. Yeah. Yeah.

And it makes more sense for what they're talking about how Batman, how Joker like these guys are like his like disciples. Yes, they're inspired by what they are doing what he does in a different perspective. But so he goes, can we go? Can we go?

Yeah. Hey, and he, you know, he's, Linus Roche again, he gets all the lines. Martha Wade gets nothing. He's just like, yeah, I was a, get a little stuffy, enough opera for one night. So he's like, like, grease and taking the fall, exactly, which is a very nice dad move here. Also, this is a, we're rich as fuck and these ticket prices don't matter none. Oh, my God. Yeah, you want to go?

Yeah, we paid fucking $400 a piece for these tickets. You want to go? Yeah, let's just go out the back by the dumpsters. No, let's not go out the front like the plebs. Let's go out the back where they. There's definitely nobody with a gun. Only the ultra-rich use seedy alleys to exit. Oh, Rape Alley.

Yeah, this is great. I love this. No, let's take our time. Let's make sure you got your shoes off done. Here we go. Buttoned up. Yeah, I mean, let's finish the rest of it here. In comes Richard Brake.

One of the fucking best ever do it. Love him. He comes out, you know, does the whole robbery thing. Does not make Martha Wayne fillate the gun, which I was like, what a wasted opportunity. Get sucking. Make a boat. do it, dude. I love how Mr. Wayne thinks he

can control the situation just by saying, that's fine. That's fine. I dropped the wallet. It's fine. You don't need to just do anything. I kind of wish he did what he does. Lydis Roche, which I just rewatched Mandy, just got on his knees. I'll suck your dick, man. Oh, yeah.

What do you want? I'll suck you dick, man. I forgot about that. That would be an awfully strange thing to have to flash back for Bruce Wayne. Like, every time he's facing someone with a gun. He'd become dick man. He's just like suck that dick. I can't

say that. I can't say that to the Joker. I like the idea of like him, he's having a fight with Henry DuCard on the ice. And it's like, your father tried to flate that man, didn't he? Your father died because he sucked dick too bad. Or Falcone in prison being like, yeah,

your dad, he sucked a dick like a dog. But no, they get blown away. course. I do like this I don't know. I think this is the only time it's been choreographed this way where in this story, chill, Joe

Chill, dumbest fucking thing. Joe Chill goes to shoot Martha first and he, Thomas steps in front of it and gets killed. I like that move. It's a little, it gives a little more to Thomas Wayne. Yeah, yeah. And it's it's just Joe, I mean obviously like there's no and then he wastes her

but leaves the kid. I got to finish the job. Absolutely. is that kid's a witness. He knows what you look like. That would be the first thing to shoot, in my opinion. That's the thing that's going to scream and run around. That's the, it's an X factor.

That's like, you got to, you got to cool the alley down by taking the kid out immediately. And also 20 years later when you're getting released, you might have a gun and might try and kill you. That's true. You know, vengeance too. You just got to end the bloodline if you can. Right. Endlessly. Endless, just murdering parents might cause a kid to grow up and maybe do something.

bad to you. Because I mean, honestly, in for a penny, in for a pound. You don't want to kill anybody, but once the juice is on, you got to let it go. Because you're totally right. If you don't kill this little pudgy cheek kid now, he's going to come back as a college student with a foppish, stupid

haircut with a gun trying to kill you in court. I'm not going to kill. I'm not in the business to kill it fat little bitches. Too heavy to carry. Joe Chill, that name, was that, that was from the comics? I want to mention that. So everyone relaxes.

Because it's from the fucking, it's very clearly it's from the fucking 30s. It's Joe Chill. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that dude, with a name like that, he should have been Mr. Freeze. Yeah. I mean, I like that idea of there are no way and so this just becomes a power battle with Alfred

as the backer between Lucius Fox and Rutger Hower's character. Oh, sure. They're just going at it. It's like a succession battle. Oh, nice. I mean, he must have had that will locked up and Alfred was just like, I guess I oh no All right

They're going to be coming out They're going to be coming out The back alley The little bitch I guarantee It's a bat play He just had a bat problem They're going to be out there between It'll be 20 minutes Joe Chu

I'll give you $200 And if he sucks your dick I'll give you $300 It all goes to the dense The fuck And all right So we're just going this way You know

Because it's kind of sometimes tough to talk about Christopher Nolan movies. Yeah. Straight through because my man loves jumping around but so he meets Oldman at this point, Gordon. Yes. And what I love about this is like you just know it's

this scene is really well written as far as like introducing a big character like Jim Gordon because he comes in it's Gary Oldman, he's got the mustache, you know it already, you know and he's not like hi, I'm Jim Gordon, blah blah blah. You know, it's like, he says it's

going to be okay. He does all that stuff. It's very nice. It's been fatherly. You know. There's just fat little bitch is getting cold. Then you see like it's another lieutenant or somebody comes in and it's just like hey Gordon they need you. And like that's the confirmation versus like, I'm here.

And by the way, Gary needed this role. This was a big I mean like. Was it? Ascaband helped him out of the gutter. And then this was like, he's back to being an actor. Wait, because what had because he had like allegations or something. I think he had allegations, but I also think his career just kind of

went in the toilet. Like he did like some bad movies like Romeo was bleeding and like which is a while earlier. That was way earlier. Because I think there was, I feel a little bit of backlash to like that Dracula movie. Right. Because that wasn't like as well received as it is now. I mean a lot of people did

like it. Similarly with Fifth Element actually too. Oh right. Yes. It's a great movie. And those are both very very hammy big. I mean, like, Sean Batisse Emmanuel Zorg. Yeah, well, that, I mean, that are very big. And like, it was, this was him going back to the roots of being

kind of understated a bit. Yeah. This is what, I mean, like, because he was originally, they, he was offered the Liam Neeson role. Oh, DuCard. He was offered DuCard and he didn't, he very specific, he was like, I don't want to be a villain anymore. I want to kind of play, either

heroes are like complicated heroes, which what he has done a lot. That's what Serious Black was in that first Asgaband movie. It's like, oh, is he coming to kill Harry Potter? Is he like a friend kind of a thing? Also Winston Churchill. Exactly. Big villain.

Huge villain. More ways than one. Yeah. Speaking of riding the subway, that guy did it. You cannot argue with Joe Chiro with your dick in his mouth. So you can't do it. It's impossible. I just tried.

I just tried. But yeah, so like in the future or in the sort of almost present, you're right. In the not too distant future, Batman's training in Asia. He's training in Asia and he's in some like nasty prison. Yeah, because like you learn through like a nice little montage. He eventually got caught like his whole like my life of learning how to live like a criminal as I'm doing like self exile from Gotham. Oops, I got caught trying to boost a bunch of Wayne Enterprises gear. Yeah. So that's why he's in this jail.

It's all different kinds of Asia chopped up. Yes. To get the city Asia, the prison camp Asia. You get the whole thing. Every flavor is what you're saying. I do love this dude that just comes up ready and he kick his ass and he's like, I am the devil. And I'm like, this dude's cool. I wish he was in more of the movie.

But man, just Bruce Wayne just beating the shit out of these guys, taking out like seven dudes at once. Also, I love the prison clothes. If someone can get me a line on these If it comes in XXL The blue drab likes You know And pre-throw it in some mud Before you get it to air

Make sure it gets dirty It's very matrixy What we're wearing in the real world Like a lot of Oh, sweaters with holes in them Kind of a thing It's a good look That's the Zion chic

Very I will say The fight choreography And this is very good Yes You can actually see it You know what I mean especially this first fight with the seven guys his movies were knocked by people because it's like they do cut around a lot always the issue and i mean again i think that's what

jennford layman has really fucking done for him is like that stuff's not so obvious right because when oppenheimer's fighting all those people you see it fucking clear his day i'll be throwing blows dude the pencil going right in josh hartnett's eye yeah you will help on this project Yeah, yeah, yeah. Opening the Berkeley Science Academy, but first we're going to have tryouts. He does, Bruce has a good line where he's like, you're not the devil. You're practice. Already kind of almost having a little bit of a Batman voice there. They take him away. The guards like, for protection, for utter need protection. They do. It's like, oh, he's pretty bad ass.

And also like what crook? I mean, this looks like it might be a prison. It might be like an entertainment center. like wouldn't they just put two bullets of this dude and be done with it? Like really like Yeah aside from like And also if I'm Bruce Wayne I'm Alcato immediately like my name is Bruce Wayne How much money do you want?

I need to talk to a British butler across the pond Yep give you one collect phone call You'll have two million wired to you By the end of the day You know you can do a scene like that And they'd be like bullshit Shut up Yeah totally you're just some tourists that got captured or whatever

Yeah so this is like You're being put in here I feel this is also we're not getting two bullets in the head because DuCard is already at the prison That's true And he's like, bring me that guy right there Fighting the six on one

Oh yes Bring me the white one Something special about the white one Looks like he has a foppish college haircut That's grown out a little bit Shoot any of the other ones in the head The white one must come to me Now this is three years before the first taken movie

comes out. And it was refreshing to see Liam Neeson doing some real acting. Some stand up, not sit down Liam Neeson action movie acting but like he's in it. From this first scene where he's like talking to him and like getting

the recruitment, the seeds of recruitment happening here. You're like, oh yeah, but the distracting thing, this goatee is hanging on by a thread. Yeah, this fucking magician's costume he got on. Yeah. It's a very Rosal Ghoul looking goatee.

It is. I like the hair. It's kind of like spiky and back. Bruce Wayne's beard is really bad and in parts too. Like clearly there's reshoots or whatever. Like it is just like fucking S&L spirit gum. Were you distracted at any point with this

Liam Neeson performance for when he says his backstory that he had a wife. Yes. That was taken. My wife was taken. It took me right out of the movie. I was taken to another movie And actually it was the Saudis

It was exactly them I'm sorry to say My daughter wanted singing lessons But she was taken But yeah So he meets Bruce He's like you know You're a very special boy

If you can bring this flower You know You're trying to take on crime One at a time You should join the League of Shadows By the way there We got a little house up the way there And you want to just bring up a special flower

Yes bring a special flower and also a bottle of wine. It's a housewarming, of course. I mean, this flower will knock you on your ass. Watch out. Don't put it in your mouth or nothing. This stuff is intense. You think Fent is dangerous.

Don't touch this flower and then touch your face. Oh, you may refer to me as Razor. Fuck. Oh, never mind. Kill him. Kill him. DuCard is the name. There is a great cut here. Speaking of Nolan and his editors,

where, like, Liam Neeson is like, find the blue flower before the next jade moon or whatever. right and like bring it bring it up to the house on top of the mountain or whatever and he's like all right fine and it is a smash cut he's like he says something like you'll be let out tomorrow morning and go find the flower and it is a smash cut to bruce wayne getting thrown out of a truck while the truck doesn't even stop it's great now don't stop at the shitty village you want the nice one the one really at the top there's one close to the top i need just like a one second shot of him like struggling to get this thing because it's a it's a straight up like Like he gets thrown out of the truck. He looks toward the mountain. He takes two steps. And then we cut to him in the village flower and hand walking up.

This is what I mean by the movie doesn't breathe. It doesn't have those beats that could help. Like make it a little longer maybe. Yeah. It's only 220 and there's a lot of story. Yeah. Big time. A ton of story.

And how are like, I know it's supposed to be a secret and whatever. There would be locals picking these flowers. Oh my God. It would be a fucking industry out there. on blue rose. They're very well could be. I mean, who knows? I bet there's so many when he gets them.

It's like a huge patch. You should just stay there and be a drug addict. Yeah, please. I do love he's walking up like towards the house and he's got to walk through the little village to do it.

And there's the old guy who just walks by and he's like, don't go up there. No, no. Turn back. Turn back. Turn back. Very funny.

The design of this house, the League of Shadow's headquarters is so cool. It's this like, it's probably 600 years old, but it doesn't look, you know, more than like a year old. Like, it's perfectly preserved. Great design

here. Very mortal combaty, too. Like, and insofar as it's all these weird Asian influences that are sort of smashed together. Even Ken Watanabe speaks no discernible, he's speaking gibberish. Yeah. He's not, like, when he talks, it's not actually any Asian. Like, like Jay

Peterman and Burma. Mahama Jaba. Mahala Mahama Jamba. What did you say? Oh, I don't know. is gibberish. But they, you know, and they put subtitles over it

because it's just sort of like, it's just supposed to be this kind of... Almost alien in a way, I guess. And we're talking, again,

you want to talk comic books, that's a big thing. Raz Al Ghoul, scary name. Almost as scary. I'd be a little more scared of Razal Goblin. Right?

Razal ghost. Yeah, well, that's, that's, that's kind of a ghosty, right, but a goblin.

That's like a thing in the room with you. Yeah. Well, it's like the first part could be like, a sound, and then it's like an exclamation, right? Like, Raz, ah, Gould!

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, are real monsters, yeah. Very similar. That comic book boy has to say that's translated to the demon's head, I believe. In the jibberish, it translates to the demon's head. I don't, in the comics, whatever Razal Ghul means is the demon's head. Rosal Goblin was the band that scored Susperius. Yes, that's true.

And it's actually, it's a cool, mister. again you're talking influential like this is sort of a little bit of Iron Man 3 a touch you know what I mean pretending having having uh Ken Watanabi who again is a was a noted actor at this time he was in the last samurai he was in stuff yeah so it's like oh wow ken of wataabi is razzal ghoul that's pretty cool and like you know and maybe he's gonna come on and blah blah but now he's just he's kind of it's a fun he he was a great spice into the Nolan uh stable of right like i think he's fucking awesome in inception yeah that role's really cool

So yeah, it's just like Here we are, this is what the League's Shadows is It's time for you to train, train, train. Oh, and yes, there's an initiation fee of $2.4 billion. We know who you are, Mr. Wayne. What is this, UCB? Oh, come on, you have it.

We know you have it. Oh, that's right, Mr. Wayne. If you take one of our League of Shadow's classes, but then you have more than a three-month break between the first one and the next one where you have to go back down to the first level, Mr. Wayne. Sorry, that's just League of Shadow's policy.

We call these the 101s. That'll be another $425, Mr. Wayne. Don't worry, it's not a pyramid scheme. No, yes, we know that you drive delivery for subway. Still, $425. His great thing here where Christian

Bell's like, because, you know, Liam Neeson says something about like, all right, so we're going to get training right away. And he's like, I've had a long journey. And he's like, evil waits for no one. This is not to dance. And he starts, like, beating the shit out of him right away. And there's so, like, Nissen is so big and imposing.

Yes. And just like, when he's kicking him, it feels like he's kicking him. Yeah. It's just a big, hulking Irishman kicking you in the stomach. It's crazy. And then we get, like, we're cutting into a big training montage. Most of it is the scene with them sword fighting on a frozen lake, which is dope. Awesome.

And Batman clearly. steals his pointed glove thing from the League of Shadows. League of Shadows has a suit here. You're right. You're right. You bring up that like fighting on that frozen lake. Look at that. Look how good that looks. It's so cool. Because it's an actual

location. Well, that's, and that is something that Nolan was particularly good at is landscape shots. And insomnia, the place looks you are, you, the way that he gets you into that movie so thoroughly is that he really does embed you. He gets all the landscape shots.

and the little nooks and crannies of cities and like shots like farms and he cares about where shit is taking place exactly it's memento insomnia then this is that how that works i think so yeah following following first nobody cares see nobody i like following it's fine i only saw it once i didn't give a shit about it there is a a sliding door moment where for the longest time this is supposed to be erinofsky oh the year one yeah that name year one by aaroni which could have been interesting but it's just so interesting

that like because who knows it becomes of Nolan if he doesn't have this you know what I mean and what happens to Aronofsky's career which is kind of like middling at this point I mean the whale was quite a hit to take yeah I mean it won an Oscar right so that is not a good thing to be saying I wouldn't be advertising that

that is a truly forgettable film in almost every sense of the word still haven't You don't have. Still happy. You really don't. You're totally fun. But yeah,

but it's just sort of an interesting, like, what if that, because, yeah, that was like the pinnacle of me and like in college reading about like, oh my God,

are they going to make Batman, you're one with Darren Arnavsky? And like there was like, it was all sorts of like, it was going to be really gritty and it was going to be very like, he was a mechanic or something. It kind of,

right, it was just like Batman driving a car, which I kind of got into, I kind of, I'm kind of for it. Alfred was supposed to be like this master mechanic that finds Bruce Wayne on the street takes him underwing

and that's like he learns how to build like he builds the Batmobile from scratch Oh that's way stupid especially because the book of Batman year one is fucking awesome It is great yeah I mean it was just Aronovsky like likes machines So yeah well that's fine

I'm just saying don't call it Batman year one then because it's something completely not bad Well because they were going They were developing first with Schumacher to do year one The original way Yeah Where then Schumacher took care of that

Yeah. Well, this is, no, this is all after Batman Robin. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, it was over. They still wanted it. That's the weird thing about Batman Robin. Even though it tanked and it had that kind of thing, immediately after, they were still like, yeah, let's do a fifth one. Well, it was supposed to be Batman Unchained. I think it was called it. It had Goldblum as the scarecrow was going to be. Cage. It was supposed to be the scarecrow. Interesting. Huh. It's all comic book movie news apocryph, but you know, but it's all, but. But it's all, but. But, All of this was happening instead of this movie

and then this movie actually happened and it's much better than all of that stuff. You know what I appreciate, again, speaking of the editing, when we get in all this training stuff, there is, it's just, there's some cut somewhere and it's a clean-shaven Bruce Wayne. Yeah. You don't have that like,

I feel like so many movies when you have the, like the person coming back from whatever, the guy coming back from whatever. Yeah. It's like the ubiquitous, like, I'm looking in the mirror and I'm slowly clipping off my beard into the sink, you know. As needle in the hay plays.

And then Batman kills himself tomorrow. You're doing it in the bathroom in a hospital. You're eating a sick lady's egg sandwich. I do love, like, all this stuff with Neeson about like, you know, you don't, you're not paying attention to your surroundings. You left yourself. Him doing like just the gentle ice tap and knocking him into the water. That's so cool.

Oh, take, uh, rub your chest. Your arms will take care of themselves. Can I tell you how often I. think about that when I'm cold. Like if I ever walk outside, it's like real like shivertastic kind of weather. In my head, I just hear rub your chest, your arms will help themselves. This movie has saved countless lives. This is when he's, oh, yes, I had a wife and she was taken.

Uh-huh. They'd taken her. Those dashly Albanians. There's a great, there's a line that Neeson has here. He's just, the sentence is just the will to act. Yes. But it is the most. Sean Connery sounding

It's the will to act Like he really conneries up this one delivery It was really cool And also you're talking about earlier But it's driving home these messages He says become a symbol Like 50 times This is also a beginner cut

With floppy Bruce Wade back From college Right I'm not going back to Princeton I liked it fine They didn't like me though I was doing too many pranks Yeah I was pranking the dean

every week. No, yeah, I got laid, but I didn't like it. Yeah. I love Alfred being like, no, you should sleep in the master bedroom because this is your house. Stop being a fat little bit. Dude, I feel like there is a devastating line that it's not like, I mean, I guess it's just

Alfred knows what's up and he's I guess more emotionally mature than I am. But like when Bruce Wayne, like after that whole like this is, you know, you're now the master of the house. live in the big room and whatever he's like he's basically like you know what Alfred this is my family not yours mind your own business

basically like you're not family and I'm like oh this fucker raised you what are you doing that's the part that's always weird at the end of the first of the first little fat little bitch his last scene is him crying to Alfred like it's my fault I

ran out of the funeral yes and I could have done something no it was only him it was only him It was only him. Yep. And like, that's nice. But then, like, how is he still his father and butler at this? At some point, you need to take the jacket off and be like, I'm the administrator of this estate.

Right. There's a new butler. His name is Tom. You know what I mean? Like, Tom. Now, Tom's going to get your sandwiches and I'm going to sign your homework. That's how it's going to work. Alfred, I just don't like the way that Tom wipes my ass.

I like the way you do it. You're telling this kid curfew. And you still's like, all right, Master Wade, it's five more minutes until you go to bed. Well, I'm like, fuck you, butler. Well, I mean, think about it this way, dude. Like, so much of parenting is just being a butler. It's true. Yeah.

You're wiping ass. You're feeding. You know what I mean? So you are the butler. And you don't get paid for it. Like, this guy, he's raking it in. What is Alfred's deal? He just likes this family.

Well, zero rent, first of all. That's nice. Now he's the administrator of the estate. All those, he's got his fingers and all those little pie. Swiss bank accounts happening. It does make sense, though, because he is copying almost everything that Thomas Wayne said. Like, everything Thomas Wayne says, he's like, oh, that's absolutely true. I fucking love you.

I love you so fucking much. I'm going to say exactly what you just said again. Here you go. A little Mr. Wayne. Why do we fall down? My dad said that, shut the fuck up. Why don't do fall down? Now I am the father.

And I'm going to say all the things your father said to you, but it's coming out of my mouth. Alfridge put it all shifting now. Maybe he was dating the father. Or was it a thing, those were my pearls. Was Alfred supposed to also have been Thomas's butler? Because then it's like, that motherfucker's stealing my lines.

I said that to him when he was a little pet. Was he born into it? Like his father was also the butler? My father, Jeeves Pennyworth, you see. We don't get that in this one. We get them in the second two, which is like back when I was running, guns with the whatever, like that whole

situation. He was doing like some real like secret action work in Africa. Yes, they made him that his Jaws 4 character. That laid the groundwork for that Pennyworth series that nobody has ever watched. Except for my mother, but yes,

you're mostly right. I don't know why like she courted me one time. Are you watching Pennyworth? I'm like are you? Well, I mean if that's sweet, if she's like trying to get to like be like, I like a comic book. She's trying to, like, meet you halfway and he's throat in her face.

Hold on. I was not nasty about it. Did you think she was joking, though? You started laughing at her? No, no. I was just like, oh, no, I haven't seen it. Oh, it's really good. I'm like, is it?

That is the total parent thing, right? It's like, oh, my child likes this. Let me try to also get into it. And then they pick, like, the lamest version of it. There is a good runner, another line runner where it's like, I guess you haven't given up on me yet, Alfred. Never. Never.

It's a great, Michael Caine. Never. Never. By the way, this was offered to Anthony Hopkins and he turned it down. Good. Then they went, exactly. Smart move. This was huge for Cain's career because then he becomes Nolan's guy.

It's amazing he's not an Oppenheimer. There's 600 people in it and you can't find one. I think at this point it was like, I can't be on movies. Oh, really? I mean, I don't think he's like enfeebled. I think it's just like, I'm done. What would he play? Like, I don't know.

He's just. you know, like a shriveled little California raisin, I guess. Play Hi, Hi, that'd be great. And Michael Cain has Hi, bloody did what? No, I'm not going to show any of the footage from the bump-dropping,

but I am going to have one elongated scene of Hirohito with, yes, that's right, Sir Michael Cain. Sir Michael Cain will be playing Hero Hito. And the makeup effects will really knock you on your ass. put a razel gul goatee on him and go for it.

Not sense. Kevin Spacey and all the money in the world have we. But yeah, so like he's back in town. Rachel picks him up. We're, you know, and he's kind of, he's still in fat little bitch mode. He's just sulking. Spirit. He's no longer an actual just, but his spirit is a fat little bit. His soul is rotten.

Yes, exactly. I love this whole thing because like, yeah, like it's the, he's back because it's Joe Chills like sentencing or whatever the trial and I feel like this doesn't really happen ever because he's a fucking billionaire playboy but like this rare moment of like Bruce Wayne

getting a ride from Rachel Dawes and her like shitbox Ford Taurus and I'm like look it's Bruce Wayne riding in a shitty car. Look at. Not bad. And this is Katie Holmes. I feel like someone there was like I think like there was like a casting list and like Nolan was like I want to bring in all

these people I want to cast record. How are I want to cast Mark Boone Jr. And like, all right, but you gotta give us Katie Holmes because she was hot at the moment, right? Like this is like,

I think so, right? She's still a big, kind of a name. She was, was she with movies though? Not now, but back then, right?

Oh, maybe this was like, this was right around the cruise stuff was happening. Okay. Then I believe. Like he's jumping on the couch. So like there,

the us weekly crowd, you get Rachel, you get Katie Holmes in. Now you got that line. I'm going to say, I don't think, she's that bad? No, she's not that bad. I think she's just fine. Like

this performance up against most of the shit I have to eat with fucking MCU acting. And I'm like this is good. What are you talking about? The thing is, it's a Nolan movie, so she's underwritten. You know what I mean? Like she doesn't have a ton to do. I think that she's not fantastic.

But again, I don't think she's terrible. I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is like a slight improvement. And then they're like, let's just kill her. What if we actually killed her? Yeah. Someone was like, you know what, Chris? Do us all a favor. just kill this character in the second movie. Like, come on. Even though it is, it's a very consequential.

I mean, that whole sequence in that movie is great. It is. But, I mean, yeah, she's totally fine. I do, you know, it's a great moment when, like, after all of this, like after the chill gets Oswalded in the courthouse, whatever, which is great. Her, when she sees his, he brings the gun

out in the car and she's just slapping them in the face. That's like two or three times. It's great. Yeah, I love it. I do love I do love Joe Chil. It's working for me. Yeah. I'm sorry for what I did. There's no way for me to apologize. He doesn't exactly say that, right? He says something a little different, but we summarized it to that.

Not a dig goes by that I don't wish I could take back what I did. But that don't change what I did. I also stop. I'd like ours better. I mean, it is consolidating. I'm sorry for what I did. I also stopped for a hot dog on my way home that night. I'm sorry for that too.

Gave me a stomach cake. I didn't like it. Traded some pearls for a hot dog. I'm sorry I broke my diet. that very same night. There's no way to take back what I did. I should have let it blow me. I should have let him blow me left.

That's what I should have done. I was horny at the time. I thought about it for a minute. And then I didn't do it. I shoot them. These are the what ifs that are going to stay with me for the rest of my life.

Oh, I'll be dead in minutes. Excellent. Can I get at least one hot dog before I leave? Because he's going to do flip on Falcone. They were cellmates and I guess Falcote was just telling him all sorts of stuff. Which feels very unlike Falcone.

And I guess if it's in the sense of like, well, I'm more or less still untouchable. I don't give a shit. It's also funny about the writing of the movie is like Falcone, we'll never pin it to him. Oh my God. We'll never be able to prove something against him. You did. He was in prison apparently recently. Again.

We won't be able to do it again. There you go. He's so, obviously, he's so untouchable that this lady assassin could say, hey, Joe, Falcone says hi. Oh, yeah. She shoots him right in the heart. Very smart move by Falcone sending a blonde babe to do this too, which is that no one's going to suspect the blonde babe assassin, which is pretty sweet.

So she, Rachel Dawes is like, you know, things are worse than ever down here. Your parents' money is running out or whatever the fuck. He shows her the gun. She's like, you know what? You want to go fucking shoot somebody, go shoot Falcone right in this club, right? Drives right up to the hideout. Like laying on the horn. Like, hey, Falcone, guess who's coming in to say hi?

Chicago actor Tom Wilkinson come out here right now This voice that he's doing is so fucking fabulous For some reason I love it I don't think it should work but it works You know what it reminds me of is whenever you would have Like the mafia characters on the animated series Yes those were always big and cartoonish in their own way That's I think what I mean maybe this is just giving me my

Giving myself an out I don't think so. I think what's good about this is like making him do this does add to the idea of theatricality as the weapon, like, as the thing that makes you scary. Like the fact that he is faking the Chicago, like an actual faking the Chicago accent, that is part of him like creating a character. And that echoes what the movie's all about. The actor or the man he's playing? Both. I mean, both.

You're saying Falcone's putting on this voice? well no like because he fell down a fucking tunnel of sausages no no I mean as a boy I mean like I mean maybe because it is a theatrical performance like he is yeah like that adds I think to as much with just in that sense of like you big and scare pro he's doing like a 1950s gangster I mean stuff like that it's basically when you go to a really nice Italian restaurant and they give you the little saucer that you can put olive oil in to dip your bread that you the olive oil is see you the olive oil is seriously. scenery and he is just fucking scraping the bottom of that little bowl and just gnosh it on that bread till there's nothing left yeah the movie needs it because it's just sort of like you know the the movie it's a very it's a really interesting thing where like Nolan just lets people do what they want to do kind of a thing as a director like oh you're going to be huge okay then uh you know Christian's going to be kind of smaller and like that kind of those things you know black and white you can see the contrast that you know and I think that's the energy like because like

like the actor does have to do the thing that the character is doing. It makes all these performances stick out way more. And I think like, you know, Nyon 20 years ago when I saw this in theaters, you know, just being much younger,

this stuff worked less for me because in my head, I was like, no, this is the Christopher Nolan Batman. This is serious stuff. You know what I mean? And like because, because I mean,

so much of it is presented to you as this is a serious thing. Right. because this was the back then, this was the dark and gritty. Yeah. We did not know how much a darker and grittier it would soon get. Exactly. Batman branding people for pedophiles or whatever the fuck happens at those

right. Exactly. I forgot. I forgot about it. The sound of bat freedom. Yeah. Oh, dude. God. Yeah, ringing the bell and that bell for you. Absolutely. No, yeah, but like when you, when I was experiencing it now, I was like, no,

like these movies need that stuff because you can't be all in. I mean, even the Batman has funny moments Oh yeah, for sure. You know, and that movie's as dark as it gets. Oh, absolutely. Both physically and otherwise. Yeah. I turn on the lights in that movie

a little bit, Matt. I do love you know, that, you know, he sits down with Falcone and like he gets roughed up a little by his goons and it's like, you think you're going to come down here and you're going to intimidate me because you think you got nothing to lose and he's like, you know, but you haven't thought it through. He brings out this gun. It's like, you don't think about

your old butler. I'm like, you know, about his butler? Like, how does he know about Alfred? Oh, well, I think, like, I mean, maybe at the time of the murders, it was like in the news, like, and now the new executor of the estate slash father, but also

definitely still Butler. I was also betting on the ponies, and I was in big with Falcone. Oh, no. The front page of the Gotham Gazette is a picture of Alfred that says from Butler to Billions. Yes. Oh, yeah. He arranged those

murders to clear up his gambling dust. They won't even let me end the horse race a track, no, but they only let me put money on the dogs, Mr. Way. They've chased me out of the OTP. One of the characters I love here

is the judge from the trial who's also in the bar. This guy has a face. I mean, he looks like the way they draw the characters in the Frank Miller dark night books.

He just looks like an animated nightmare this guy. And I'm sure like in real life he might just be a very nice family man or whatever but he looks so perfect. He's so massive. He's got these two girls. He's laughing. He's got a real like cheese shredder face. Yeah, no. He's like a cartoon of an Irishman.

Yes. Yeah. It's like you would expect this man to be in the quiet man and instead he's just this judge. He gets too. shots in the whole movie, I think, is him laughing with the two broads and then him on the... I think later on, he's the one that releases, like, when we come back, the first trial with, with Crane, he's the judge there, too. He's around a little bit, but not, he doesn't have a lie. Is he, is he blown up in the dark night when the Joker's killing all those people? I don't remember. Because it's like a DA gets killed. Lobe gets killed. Lobe is the same lobe. Oh, okay. But I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I don't think.

he's there. But so whatever, he, he gets thrown out and he realizes, he's like, and he's like, you do always fear what you don't understand. We're talking about fear again. It's good lines. And you always fear what you don't understand. And he realizes that he doesn't understand poverty. So now he's going to go to Asia question mark and figure it out. Well, because he hops this. I don't think it's like, I'm going to go to Asia to do this specifically. It's like the freighter is pulling out of the harbor and he runs on a gives Ray and Sir Baja his coat there before he goes. I do love that.

Rachel, like, they're driving and he's complaining. And, like, literally she pulls off to show him what it's like. Yeah. Before he's getting to Falcone. Oh, right. Like, she's like, look, it's really bad. See, all the homeless people. Like, what?

Homeless? What? Homeless. There's a, I thought there was only an upper whacker. drive. There's a lower whacker drive. So you can be a person on earth and not have a home?

What? You know what? I'm going to call the president and tell him about this and I'm going to make sure this doesn't happen anymore because I'm weighing goddamn. They don't have houses but where do their butlers live? And instead of me the richest person on earth

helping and providing for all these people what if I dress in a costume and beat them to death? Yes. Because I'm an idea. I'm a wraith. Yeah. How about that? Yeah.

So we cut back to the sort of the end of the training montage, which is like graduation day. We do have in the training montage this pudgy criminal who is in a cage. Sure. And it's just like, oh, he stole his neighbor's land and murdered him. It's like, oh, that sucks. It's like, doesn't that piss you off? Doesn't that really get your goat? Really, really rouse you up, doesn't it?

Yeah. He killed. Well, you didn't do it in Gotham, so I guess it's okay. He took somebody else's potatoes. How do you think about that? I do like that the final fucking test is like, can you keep chill when you hit this shit? Yeah, that's true.

Let's see if you can really take a hit here, brother. Take a big hit, a big hit off this blue ball. This is a water bong we've got here. You're going to have to hold it 30 seconds minimum now. Hold it in there. Oh, yes, the final test, the gravity bomb. those things will fucking put you in the moon dude oh absolutely dude

that's a one and done you're good for the afternoon you hit that and then you have to go through a maze of ninjas who now by the way because you're so fucking stone all have zombie eyes so that's up to that great I love the cool little zombie glowing eyes thing it's straight out of a fucking Italian horror movie from the 80s I do like the little the way they cut on the arm

and him giving the two cuts on the arm to the other guy. Kind of a risky move to start cutting ninjas. But that's what makes him so good, isn't it, Eric? Yes. And it tricks Liam Neeson's character. Dumbass. It was the other guy.

He must leave no sign. I didn't. It's pretty good. It's crazy though, like. Razal Goblin up there. It's crazy that like you're such a highly skilled ninja that you can be cut with a sword and like not flinch. Yeah.

Well done. Also, you don't know it until you're hearing it, but the gift of Liam Neeson using the word ninja, incredible. Just hearing that guy have to say ninja repeatedly. Awesome. Awesome stuff. All right. So here's your graduation day. Cut this fat criminal up. He is the fat bitch you used to be. Destroy him. Kill your old self. And he should have just did it and he should have became part of the League of Shadows. He should have destroyed Gotham. Right. Oh, that's in the Batman What If series. But then I think That puts us on the road to serial killer branding the pedophile Batman.

Oh, I guess that's true. That's true. I mean, also, he's been there for months. You don't understand. Is Dukard playing too close to the chest not letting him know? And by the way, we kill people all the time. You know what I mean?

I think that that's something like, they're just nice ninjas on a hill I bet. This should not be this big. of a surprise. I should call them nice jizs. Well, I mean, nice jitsu. We've been training in. Tiger, nice jitsu. It's like leaving a over 20% tip and, you know, all of our finishing moves are just friendships. We all just hug each other all the time. Yeah, how is this the first time the murdering is coming? That to me speaks to like the one thing I will say I still don't think he's good at. Uh,

is like really showing the ugliness of violence, like, or the bluntness of violence, rather, like he doesn't like blood. He doesn't like showing like mangled faces or shit like like mangled face would go a long way. Like that's the thing. It's like I, what I remember why I always was hesitant to like this M Dark Night was that as I felt like he was the bloodless. Those things were, it felt purposeful where everything else felt very much like he was trying to go make something naturalistic, realistic, and all this. It felt like he was very pointed like, I do not want to show that. I don't

know how to do that. Of course correct in the dark night, you think, with the, with the magic trick and all that, because that was kind of brutally violent, I don't know, you don't see anything. You're right, you don't really see anything. You know what I mean? Especially not the guy that gets the pencil through the lawyer. Two things. One, apparently he was, you,

the bloodlessness, according to him anyway, was studio. No, he wanted to keep it open for kids. Not little little kids. You knew like eight-year-olds He's like probably around like 10 year to 12 years old Like apparently he was very inspired by the 78 Superman He's like I want this to sort of be a bit on like Not tiny tiny kids but like little like the kids old enough

Like 10 to 12 yeah that's what I saw this Well because also famously you were not I was 12 years old with this game Uh huh Famously with that 78 Superman Richard Donner decided to cut the moment Where Superman rips that guy's throat out Yeah

And shows it to him before he dies It wouldn't be cool if Superman broke somebody's neck that sounds like a character thing he'd do why don't we do how don't we do that instead of calling it Superman we call it baby Brightburn

Oh dude How is it Chris It's horrible Brightburn is no good Really like one or two really good kills But like that's the movie where it's like What if a Superman like child Was a killer

Becomes a serial killer essentially You know, I never saw it, but it sounds like with better execution, that's a pretty cool idea. It just seems like a movie that I should enjoy at 11.30 p.m. on a Saturday night, but apparently not. I don't think you're going on. I mean, how much like whaling electric guitars in that movie? No, it's more grim, dark. It's more of the like trying. So the wailing of the women is what's happening. More of that. Yeah, like some very morton strings, you know. Right. Right. He's making everyone widows that night. Yes, that one. That's right. But so instead of, uh, murdering this criminal, who, by the way, surely dies in the next scene.

Oh, yeah, it's all for nothing. He flings this hot poker on these explosives, on the supply of explosives we have in the rafters, apparently. Okay, Bruce, I guess you'd rather burn him alive, sure. Also, you won't kill him, but you'll kill all of us? Wow, you're the best to ever do it. No, no, I really do think we should have the cauldron right below the, explosives room. I think that makes the most design sense.

And you want it, you want the explosive room A exposed and B up there. Yeah. And then of course the Bruce Wayne mindset, it's like, oh my God, I got to save the other white guy here. That's it. DeCard. Only Descartes only Descartes will be saved from that. I mean, because

Ken Watanabe looks dead as hell. Rosal Goblin is definitely killed. He gets into the swordfighter with Rosal Goblin. Which is, that's some great fighting, the two of them wants an oban bail going at it. Yeah. And he's making. get some fun noises. Yeah, here. That's pretty great. I also

love Ken Watanabe, whatever accent he's trying to do, what he's like Gotham must be destroyed, like Constantinople or Rome. He says the fire he puts under the word Rome. That's like the greatest hit, you know? Yeah. It's the best

one. I also love to talk about like the organization's been around for like 3,000 years. It's sort of like this dark Illuminati thing. Right. I want in. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I I want to. Are you able to get the blue rose and walk all the way up that mountain? I will be the court jester while you fucking, while you chop off guys' heads for eating pigs that aren't theirs. So they're just sticking you full of the blue rose stuff.

Oh, yeah. Perpetually. Oh, hey, man. I'm the court jester. The leader of shadows, man. Just give me some water of the blue stuff, man. That over there, that's Bain. That's my daughter, Talia Al-Gul.

You'll meet her very soon. Oh, and that's Eric. I will suck your dick We kind of keep him around for laughs My teeth are falling out Yeah, you see how he's playing with that decapitated head That's my favorite bit I love that bit

That's a funny bit Everyone is like He must have killed 15 people here Including that fat little criminal Oh yeah, that guy's done Great, I love the sliding down the mountain Really cool shit beautiful like the scope of these things like sometimes he cuts around too much you don't see all the

action you might want but the scope of these locations and what they're doing with it seeing Liam Neeson hanging over this cliff yes and he's holding on by his spiky thing we somewhere like in the early going uh nolan goyer is like you know the spiky stuff on his arms I want to use that he's like yes I've always wanted to use that what if those things could like rip a sword in half maybe we put that at the end of the movie yeah what if they did anything at all. And here we have him doing it. It's great. I do love to the

like scream grunt that comes out of Christian Bale as he one arm lifts Liam fucking Neeson up back over the cliff. That is what it would sound like if you tried to do that with Leon Eason. That's exactly what it would be. You couldn't do it. Unless maybe he pissed himself,

make himself a little lighter. Yeah. Just ever so slightly. It's just these drips coming down his leg while. Hang on a second. I'm going to lose a couple of quartz here, hang on it. All right, now try. I was holding it in during the ceremony. I didn't want to stop the proceedings. But now, you know, it's, it's time to call daddy. Daddy's going to pick me up. It's so funny, right? Because he just shows up wherever, yeah. I mean, that is the thing, right? It's like at any point he wanted to. You just got a beep boop on the telephone and a private jet will take you either away from the League of Shadows Village, away from the Chinese

prison, like wherever you want to get out of, you can always kind of pull that rip cord. So you're like, yeah, I mean, one, yes, it is self-imposed exile, but it's also like, you could fucking call it whenever you want. Uh-huh. It's, you have a big old safety net by the name of Alfred Prennyworth. Well, I think that's part of like his, like, I mean, not to get too stupid, but journey is the fact that like, he goes from thinking, like, how do I, uh, uh, deny the money I was the privilege I was given. Give it all up, go into

exile, do I, or do I use it in my own particular way to try to do something? I mean, it is almost effective altruism almost, so not so great, but, you know, I think that's a better idea

ultimately than just being like, he's a rich guy and he did it. And that's true. The first of, I mean, the scene of Moody Bruce as a teen, you don't get it, but this is like really the core of this movie and this trilogy is the interplay of Bruce Wayne and Alfred is

really, it's funny, it's light, it's, uh, it always moves the story along. It is, it's, it's everything for these movies. It is, but it's also, it's kind of funny too, if you think about it on this plane ride home, he's just like, I gotta become more than a man, you know, like a massed vigilante.

When shall we get started, sir? Yeah, there's no like, maybe you should, uh, you know, take the week, think it over. And if you still want to become a mouse vigilante at the end of the week, fine. But he's from the jump, like, all right, what do we need? A checklist of supplies. I'm going to become a bad, Alfred.

A bad. Oh, all right. That's cool. Give me one second. Hello, Nut House. But you see, no, because he's definitely, whatever the overriding Butler Union is in the entire globe, he is part of it, and he is a major player. and one thing you know

if you're taking care of rich people is their kids turn into crazy people every single one of them is insane look at Ben Dreyfus holy mother of God the Coke kids also nuts but so you're ready for like oh fuck it oh my time to shine

here's the bat stuff I'm ready to go brother he also Alfred does point out the thing here which you know is also sort of part of it he's like oh yeah you know this makes sense you you hide your identity to do this not only to like protect yourself but indeed protect the people that you know you care about in your circle or whatever which is why you got to stop telling people you're Batman like he tells fucking Katie Holmes and he's

Batman and like at the end almost immediately yeah and you're just like dude you're breaking that's why you're putting the mask on in the first place no it's not uh for sex stuff yeah it's get his rock song. Primarily sex. We learned that Bruce Wayne has been declared legally dead. Seven years. That's the rule. Mm-hmm. And Alfred has now Alfred has inherited all of the money.

How the paperwork that's going to incur when you're going to bring you back from the dead. Oh, my goodness. On the plane ride home, Alfred should have taken out of God, you're supposed to stay dead. And I'm not filling out all that paperwork. That's right. Two wades with the same gun. I had already figured out my own vigilante story.

I was going to be old man. The plane just turns into it's the opening scene of Dark Night Rises with the other plane above and it's like only one of us is getting off

this plane crashed away. Ha, ha, ha, ha, wah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Michael Kane climbing. Oh, could you imagine. We get introduced to what I realized this time around

is a, I feel in the grand conversation of these three movies, a dude who kind of gets the short end of the stick as far as villain performances, fucking Killian Murphy as Jonathan Crane,

I think is fabulous. And like, it's only because like the title wave that was Heath Ledger as the Joker. And then like the, the, the way that they built up Bain before the movie came out.

But that also wound up overshadowing it But I think he is so goddamn good in this movie And also he knows Enough, like he's read the script He knows that it's it's Razol Gould's movie I'm gonna have a couple of great scenes And I'm kind of gonna be a punchline And I'm happy to be a punchline

You know what I mean? Like it's a jobber performance And he knows that And I think that's it's it helps inform What this character But he doesn't treat it like No no no no no Like yes

He doesn't throw away. I think every scene works with him. I think like, like a lot of Batman movies, this is just kind of the thing we have to deal with now. It's overstuffed. Like, they're just trying too many stuff. They're putting too much story into it. The same is true of the new Batman. Way too much.

But like, I kind of accept it because they are doing, they're hitting the right notes for him in this one. All this stuff I need from him. Plus, a little character work is there. It's that thing that like, as much as I I still believe that Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie.

Not a question. It did also present itself as like a blessing and a curse because that is the introduction of multiple villains. Yes. And so like you have this here. And I think frankly, like, you could have just had this be a scarecrow movie. The Razel Gould stuff, let it just be a footnote in the training thing and whatever. Maybe that's the next movie comes back or something. if you just let this be a Jonathan Crane Scarecrow movie

Bad ass Because he's so good And when he he The last you see in this movie When Katie Holmes shoots him in the face With that flare or whatever it is And like a taser Yes he gets tased in the face

And he it is the headless horseman visual It's so cool And it just gets so overshadowed By the rest of the fighting on the subway And all that shit Like it's so cool Yeah It is good

But this one, I think the two-villan thing kind of works because you take Razzal ghoul goes away, comes back. Right. They're never scheming at the same time. They're not like holding a parlor scene of how to take down Batman or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Crane being this pawn used by a greater power, but he's a great power in of himself. Yes. And also, I mean, Falcone is also, I think, an element.

That's trying to be floating around. I mean, it's cool because, like, it's not this, like, so when we're introduced to him, he is evaluating Mr. Zaz who's another like you know low tier Batman character who's floated around a lot played by Chris Messina in Birds of Prey

right yes that's right okay but he's you know this whole scam of like crane is evaluating all of these you know falcony mob guys and being like oh yeah too crazy for jail better let me have him kind of a thing

you say he likes crocodiles well we'll see what happens with that he's not faking not that one yeah yeah the worminess of this performance yeah that's what's great about it yes that like bookishness of like this this you know like a office creature type of thing this he's part of this institution he's posing kind of posing as a you know this doctor really yeah I mean he is a doctor but but yeah he's he's doing pretend doctor work right here another thing well like I don't know why everybody like really gets on Katie Holmes because like those scenes between her and him

are what give each, like, especially him, the character points. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, those, those scenes sing. I don't know what the fuck's wrong with me. It was popular to hate on her at the time, I guess, so. But yeah, I mean, all of the, all of her being like,

what you're doing is clearly bullshit. Like, especially with, when, when Falcone goes in there and is crying insanity, and she's like, isn't it kind of convenient that this dude in his, like, 70s with no history? of mental illness right when he gets arrested he goes cuckoo and that's that's the great when he comes out and he's like he's got like a handkerchief he's almost like waving him so oh that one's

not faking i'll tell you that whohoo nutcase there's nothing convenient about his symptoms yes yeah yeah yeah really really great uh yeah so that's going on meanwhile wane goes to Wayne enterprises to sort of apply for a job this is where we meet the great rucker hower all right p hell yeah i know he's amazing you know he's amazing you know back in the day when we were doing some interviews and stuff, I reached out to his representation. Oh, really? And they were like, okay, no, this sounds good. Yeah, I'm going to float it by

Rucker. Wow. He said no. You know what, smart moves? Yeah, that's absolutely smart. Because it's like, I think I wanted to, because he was in deadlock too, and I think I might have led with that. I don't think he wants to talk about deadlock. Probably not. And that's what I'm sort of Nolan hasn't done this in a little

bit, but for a while he was into hiring 80s action stars into his movies. Faces. He's very good about getting characters that are very distinct because Berringer is in Inception Right. Oh, right. He's great. He brings Berger back. He was doing a little, like almost Tarantinoe like Ooh, remember this guy kind of thing. Yeah, that's true. He should do that more.

But it's still, I mean, it's like Chris's point about the faces thing. Like think about I mean, Oppenheim. So many faces. Benny Safty. I love. that dude but that's I mean that's a that's a character actor face that he has sure and he just fits into that world so perfectly so sweatily and he stalks that that movie specifically because he's moving I guess now more to 90s early hot aughts because you got crumholtz and oh crumholtz and anger angarano whatever the oh Michael Michael Angeran or whatever's name is. Even the Nick and a bunch of other stuff even though what's

his face? Hartnett Josh Hartman yes that was like a guy that like was sort of toiling an obscurity a bit. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And he looks, my, I've never seen someone look more handsome. Like a fine one. Yes. I, my God. I love it.

I know everyone wanted to fuck him in the 90s. I didn't really, but now I want to fuck him now. It moved, dude. It moved. Yeah. He was supposed to be, he was offered Batman. Really? He was on to this. This one. This one. He was on the list. It was this guy. It was him,

bail. And weird. Henry Cavill was on that list. Obviously, Killian Murphy was on the list. You'll see those pictures. A little bad man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Little Batman?

There's, his screen test leaked. Really? I had no idea. And Ian Bailey as well. Who's that? Of Fight Club fame. He like was an almost guy. Like he's, who is he in Fight Club?

It's probably not going to help me. He's in the club, I guess. He's in the club. He's like one of the young. ones in the club. He was like an almost guy. Oh, interesting. Did a lot of small roles like the one in five club and then just never got the big kick.

But so like it's it's it's Rucker Howard doing Bruce. You are supposed to be dead. It's kind of awesome because you can read it's all in Rucker Hauer's performance right here. You get that internal like God damn it he's back. You know that he's thinking about like well how I could have him killed. Oh yeah. It's been a while. I haven't done that in a while.

I can call up those guys. Carmine, I know I haven't called you in a while. You never call me. It's been so many birthdays, so many Christmases. I haven't heard from you as I thought you were dead. You know, if I was in the room with you right now, I could shoot you and nobody would do nothing. You say this every time you would ever meet.

You keep talking about how you can shoot people. That's why I stopped calling. It's quite annoying. The favors aren't worth it. I'll be honest with you. Except for this time where I need you to shoot Bruce in the. Ed. And this is a great, like, you know, what do you want to do? He's like, I thought I'd come and get

a job and just see how my father's company runs. And he's like, well, all right, what are you thinking? And he's like, applied sciences. And it's like, why the fuck would you want to work down there? Are you trying to become Batman or something? No reason. Oh, wait. Oh, that's

Fox's department. God damn it. I knew it. I hate that guy. He's got all the nice weapon stuff. And this is the goat, Morgan Freeman, as Lucius Fox, fuck, this is, it's kind of interesting because this was a Batman character that I know existed before

this movie, but I just was completely unaware of it. Like, I know he pops up in an animated series here and there, but it just wasn't like a character that registered, and it rapidly became like one of my favorite characters. I was like, Batman has a cue? Hell yeah.

And I mean, and the cue part is the invention of this. This, oh, okay. Because Batman's in traditional lore is just a super genius. He could do it. He's building it all himself. He's building himself. Super Detective. An Iron man. Fucking Mary Sue.

Exactly. But it makes sense to give him a, to, A, break that up, to make it a little more narratively interesting. He has to go to somebody. It's to talk to somebody. And cool. Now we have Morgan fucking friend. We also flesh out with this fucking company, you know? Yes.

Because I feel like all the other ones, it's like, yeah, no, they do rich guy stuff there. Yeah, they make all the rich stuff. They make the money over there. Exactly. That is, it's like, you see how they're doing it. Right, because it's like, before this, it's like, they make money and also like, hold charity things. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of. They're a gala company.

They make gala. Yeah, they're party planners. Yes, essentially is what they do. It's the economics factory. That's what they run. And that he's like, oh, you know, Mr. Fox? I was looking at, I wonder if you had anything for like a big rubber suit for sex stuff, Mr. White? Yes. Yeah, like a sex costume. Now that's more like it, Mr. Wayne. Weird sex stuff.

Oh, Spillonging. You mean rock climbing? You're looking for crack. came. Oh, Spelunking. You mean eating ass. Got it. A Kevlar weave condom. That's more like it, Mr. Wayne. You're expected to run into many bullets with this condom on?

You never know. I'm big on base jumping. They drop, they have Morgan Freeman drop a line here that starts setting up all the water supply shit, which I never caught before, but he's like it's like something, something things changed. Oh yeah, when we

rerouted all the water supply through Wayne Tower. Don't worry, that'll definitely become important later. Yeah, he also drops that he designed the goddamn trains. Yeah. Oh, yes, that's the same part. That's what he's talking about. The Wayne train. Wayne train. Choo-choo, it's the

Wayne train. And it's like Um, so the Wayne train. Wayne train. Meanwhile, he's figuring out what where the back cave is. It's right on the ground. It's where I fell down. Yes. And we have the very

clumsy line of like, well, back in the Underground Railroad days, your parents did your great, great grandparents did this. It was a literal stop on the train that came right through here. It went chew, chew, chew, right here. It is just such a, that's fine. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, that's not necessary. You want Linus Roche to be in the screenplay. That's fine. It just feels it feels over stuff. The way that it's just like, we have to reiterate that this was a good family. Yes, they're a good rich family throughout the generation. Because that's the thing. It's so alien to us in 2005 and now a good rich family.

I would love to see that. Well, it's also like, you know, reinforce it. Like, we already get it. Like, the wanes are the white saviors of this city. And this is like, can I push that even more across the finish line? He was involved in helping escaped slaves. Okay. You know, actually, the Bible lied a little bit.

Jesus Christ was born right here. Right in the middle of this. The Bible lied a little bit. What happened, Mr. Wayne, is I had to go and apprehend every Bible and change it. Just to keep us under cloak. To be quite honest, Mr. Wade, it was a stop on the Underground Railroad. It was the last stop because your great-grandfather saw there was money and rerouting them back. So he made quite a pretty penny.

That's what paid for all this shit. That's the new one. That's the new movie. He called it the Choo-Choo-Turnaround. The train came into the station. and he immediately sent him back. He called it Renewal Station. You do get a lot of like,

I love like Bruce Wayne just like spray painting this gear. It's cool. All that stuff totally rules. I love Alfred being like, okay, we got to buy this part of the cow from this company here. And then this part over there

so they don't trace nothing. They've got to be big orders. I'd say around 10,000. You're like, holy fuck. And even like, you know, Bruce Wayne's got the great line. I guess we'll have extra It's great But it is also like

I guess yeah You don't want to be like Building the Batman cost Like ordering a Batman suit online Yeah There's a one Batman costume please No do you think guys Now he's this

He's rich guy Super rich guy Would you just like A new bat New bat suit every day What are you thinking? Oh yeah Every single day

I would hire Marley Matt would have her Just come to my house And create it for him So I'm thinking about a Batman costume. Got it. So are you Batman? No,

no, no, I'm just thinking about one. Apologies. Colleen Atwood. Colleen at what? I know. I fucked that up.

Yeah, I mean, it's like single use. Like that's right. Then you got to, but then it's like, do you trust the garbage man? You have to be burning it

or melting them down or something. That's the thing is you are leaving way too much of a paper trail. If that's happening every day, like, if you're getting like one specialized. No, no, it's just like you got a road.

Like with a wardrobe. Yeah. Oh, it goes to the back of the rotation. So in 10,000 days, I'll wear that one. Sure. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I think you've got to get like, you got to put the money into it. And of course you can.

You're Bruce Wayne. And you just get five really good ones that are easy to clean. Like, I'm not. Tumble dry. If you can. I don't know if you can even do that, but at least like the way you like can wash a car. That is something, Chris, right? Like these bat suits have to smell like shit.

You put a little like pine tree air fresheners under the arm. They're definitely hung dry. You got to hang dry those upside down from the ceiling. Oh, yeah, but I got the hard stuff. Like the Kevlar vest thing, I don't think you could just throw that. Like, you have to actually get in there. Alfred has to get a scrubber. That's right.

Get in there and fucking get. Alfred, use a toothbrush, you piece of fucking shit. And get the abs sweat off the interior because it's going to build up. Well, scrubbing as hot as I can, Master Wayne. Get those skid marks out of my ass. screw. And why does it smell like cheese? Well, that's the thing that you don't see because, I mean, this is probably as big as Wayne Manor has ever been. This is an enormous Wayne Manor. And Alfred is, he needs a staff. There needs to be like 20 people doing this. Like he's not going

at every wing dusting. Once they start doing the whole Batcave, what is he doing all the work? No, you're getting a contractor in there. Be like, now where, where exactly do you fellows want that giant Penny to be put. What makes you think, Alfred the Penny's worth, is this fucking stupid he's going to allow his cut to be deluded? That ain't that. That ain't fucking. No, no, no. I got it all mashed away. Don't worry about that. He's fucking welding the iron grates and shit.

Where do we put the giant dinosaur? Damn it. Sorry. And you know what, dude? Let's fucking dispense with the seriousness. I want that dinosaur in the next movie. Absolutely. I have a large, What was the story behind that? I have no idea. I think it's a thing like Batman, there was a museum that was on fire.

And like Batman was like, I'll take this is my payment for this one. I thought Alfred was just that old. It was like, this is my friend from back home. We don't have to call no notary public. I'm certified. I'm a notary. I can do it for us. Oh, here it is.

Here it is. Batman's favorite movie is Jurassic Park. Yeah. Oh, oh, Rachel, take a look at this. It's the original. T-Rex puppet from the first one. JP1, 1993. Sick. Yeah, I could afford that.

Yeah, I bought a dinosaur puppet. I actually have the cup of water that reverberated in that thing. They didn't pour it out. They got it to me. And this is what Rachel is like, you know, you could be using your money for better things in social service.

No. Dinosaurs. Movie merch, Rachel. Now, I love how Keaton used his money with those suits of armor from all weird, weird cultures or whatever. Speaking of movie merch, I in my home right now

have a bat from the movie Batman Begins. Really? Yeah. Wow. What do you got to feed it? It's a stuffed little animal. Oh, okay. And it's hanged from my ceiling right now. That's what I do.

Is that a year-round hang? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that ain't just for Halloween. No, he's a bat for the movie Batman begins. So obviously he's got to be around all the time. That's such a back. Especially in the bedroom. Yeah.

Set you back a cool million probably. It was a gift for my wife. So there you go. And he's a bat from the movie Batman Begins. And apparently there's quite a few of them online. I bet. There seem to be a lot in the movie. So I think, yeah, Alfred Pennyworth is definitely forklift certified.

Got it. He's got the welding stuff. He's all set. I'm a licensed electrician, master Wayne. Question, is there a bathroom in the bat cave? There has to be. You don't know all the way up to the fucking? Well, there's that pond of water.

You just wade into it and start pissing. It is totally unaddressed. what are we doing with all the guano that would naturally be all over that place? That's the rhinoceros from Ace Ventura when nature calls. Hey, Alfred, it'll make a fun photo. Stick your face through the ass. Oh, I was happier when you were dead. Well, I will admit to Mr. Jim Carrey, I do get quite sweaty in here.

I don't know why you want to live inside a planet Hollywood. It's ridiculous. Hey, Alfred, that's the Sylvester Stallone puppet for, demolition man when he's in the group Oh yeah, you can see his gooch Right there Yes, here's your Batman costume I've assembled and also good news

A proton pack arrived So that's exciting, it's upstairs Bruce Wayne The toast of Comic Con I think he could be something He has it all Just walking down the Javitt Center Yeah, I'll buy all of it

Apologies, we could only get Danakroyd So Cancel the party Ernie Hudson or bust Ghost bust So you know things are We sort of we learn kind of around here

The relationship of Gordon and Flass Mark Boone Jr's character Yes love him Flass and Gordon are partners Working the Beat And this is we know As in Flacid

Yeah Just two letters away Well I think it's F-L-A-S-S And that's C-C but I was curious why they didn't just go Harvey Bullock here. Just like, you know Could we not license something there? I guess like Harvey Bullock's actually a character that is a good guy

even though he's kind of like an asshole. Yeah, this guy is actually a crooked cop. You are introduced to him getting a bribe from some dude in like a bodega or something like that. And this is, I love like all the way he delivers stuff like oh, you're jealous about you want a taste.

How can you look at all this without wanting to taste? Like the way he talks. says, but he's great. Because he's scumbag royalty. That's what Mark Bood Jr. could do. Yes. Elevates it to just scumbag royalty. And he said there's a great line here where he's basically saying like, you know,

you not want a taste makes the rest of us nervous to which Gary Olben the great, I'm no rat. It's so awesome. I also love that. It's like, oh, what a great cop you are by not ratting on. So you are just like a... You're literally part of the problem, dude.

Sorry. Yeah. You're one of the fucking bad apples. Just a few of them. But look at my family. And look, I'm friends with Batman. He came and visit me. I'm taking out the garbage. And I think you're here to help. Yeah, this is when Batman makes

his first outing with just a ski mask. Very reminiscent of, I mean, it's in year one, but it's also very reminiscent of Batman Mask of the Fantas. By the way, previous episode on the animation damnation feed for you, Batman heads. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You know, I regret a couple weekends back maybe

it was just last weekend moving image was playing Mask of the Fantasm on 35 and I had plans and I was like oh god I'm just so devastated to be missing that yeah we have that and we have we did Birds of Prey we mentioned that earlier briefly and add free episodes on there too

I'll just mention that real quick but so this yeah this is you know he makes first contact with Gordon you know who what would he's basically asking like what would have to happen for Falcone to finally go down. You gotta catch him with his pants down, I guess.

And leverage on Judge Faden as well. Oh, right. All that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, he's like, but who are you? You're just one man? You're just one man. Now we're two.

Yeah. We? It's so good. The fucking stapler has a gun to his head. Totally. Like, getting out the window. And then, of course, because Jim, like, and I love this.

Like, it's not just like, oh, my God. he's gone. He sticks his head out. He's like who is there? God, these fire escape stairs. Oh, oh, with this fucking gear on. Oh, my God. Just some nut. I love that it. It's just some nut. So good. The, I mean, this is a great

little short rooftop chase here. Jumping off. I love anytime Batman beefs it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's some good beefing in the Batman also. Yeah. But this like jump fire escapes the best I got. That ribcage is right into that iron

I mean that's the one thing of all of the like make Batman twisted things I think does make sense this guy is on so much drugs oh my God like sure for the knees alone like the knee goes right into the building

he's jumping that thing is they're destroyed or has enough pain killers on it to put down an elephant well that's what's sort of interesting about I mean that movie is spotty at best as Dark Night Rises is they do bring that element into it is like this would be a very if you were batman it would be a really short career right he's got a pain and stuff and it's all right i forgot about that yeah and it's only

he's only he's only in batman of like six or seven maybe a decade and that that's kind of it it sucks you know what you has to do use your money to slowly turn yourself into a robot or some type of cyborg or like that or strike a deal i mean because it is essentially like being an athlete i mean more or less like a more hyper version of that so what you do is you strike it deal with Hertz and you start you just start doing their car commercials. You run through airports to make sure that people

feel like they can get to the Hertz car. You become O.J. Simpson's. God. Oh, I thought you're going Tom Brady. He's doing Hertz commercials now too, though. In a long lineage. OJ. Simpson had a short career of, was he fighting crime? No, he's creating.

He's causing crime quite often. Still a short career. A Batman comic recommend short it's probably as a trade paperback as Venom Batman colon Venom where he to combat some of his

injuries and shortcomings he takes the Bain Venom serum Oh that's cool It's actually before Bain I think it's the first appearance of Venom and then it gets used for it I assume that is one of the possible

things we're getting into towards the end of the new one Yes they're definitely setting Oh right because he's juicing at the end of that movie a little bit there. That's right. I forgot about that when the garden's getting destroyed. That's a great movie. And so is this. And so, you know, now he's I think the next scene

is when he kind of gets felt. Falcote also puts the hit out on Rachel Dawes because Jonathan Crane comes to him. She's asking too many questions. Oh, things, robberies, they just go bad sometimes. Yeah. I don't want to know.

Yeah, totally. Whatever you do. Yes, you do. Yeah. that's pretty sweet. But yeah, so his first big Batman outing is the drug shipments have been coming through the docks and, you know, Crane's been facilitating

all of this and everything. Fox has just shown you your new super tank. Yes, yeah. Does it come black. He goes get the tumbler. He gets the weird fabric that lets him glide. Yeah, memory cloth. Yes. I wasn't so inclined. I think you might be becoming Batman, Mr.

Wayne. There is the great, I think it's when he's, it's Right before you ask about the car when he's like, Mr. Wayne, if you don't tell me, that means when people come and ask me about it, I don't have to lie. I just want to make sure you're not doing any kind of Steven Seagal-esque human slavery, right? That would put a frown on my face. I'm not going to build a dungeon for you, Mr. Wayne. I hope that this memory cloth is being used for good and not evil, Mr. Wayne. Oh, the tumbler?

Oh, you wouldn't be interested in that. That was from that's the fucking the trailer. Morgan Freeman like you know metaphorically holding the whole the oh shit bar as we call it when you're riding shotgun and someone's driving erratically

oh shit oh shit oh shit and that's what I love about it is this Batman for all and it was it was so realistic and gritty at the time he's very light a lot of this film you know what I mean like he's having fun assembling this stuff he's No big meals. No big meals. Very light. Yes. Of course. Really. He can't be sluggish. He's fighting crime. But you're right. And what's also cool about this is just like it's, it feels more real because it's not buying a guy building his own car as much as I am buying him getting some secondhand military hardware.

Unless you had spent an hour with them as a mechanic in training under Alfred the mechanic. that's that Darren Arnovsky's you know what I still kind of want to see I would love it even after the whale just let me just say things happen for a reason that's how I feel about that idea you can have some bad movies a little bit a little slice yes this is the first doc fight thing where and again like it's it's kind of cool we're not we're not seeing Batman we're seeing people getting like lifted off the ground and like you know oh yeah this is great right this is the whole when we get that great line what was it it's where are you?

I'm here. And the best line, of course, I'm Batman. Right. And then also the ninja stars very sharp that are shaped like that symbol. Yes, very cool. The bat symbol is different in this movie, right, than other ones. I kind of dig. It's very stark, little fashy. Well, yeah, on the fashy side.

Like, fascist side. Yeah, of course, you're right. Who the fuck is throwing these Nazi eagles around? No, I mean, I like the, I like how each of the movies opens with that. that logo in a different way. I think that's a cool. Again, it's, these are stylistic little things that Nolan's like, I care about this shit. This is

going to make our movie better. Trust me. Valconi, there's some trouble. Looks like skinheads are attacking. Get out of here. Floss is there on the duck supervising because this is after, of course, my favorite of his lines, heard you got me with jumping in the DA's office.

He's talking to Falcone. That's fucking great. It's like, you've got to be there that and you got to supervise everything. And this is when, Actually, before then, Flass actually gets... Isn't this one... When does Flass get the falafel scene? That's after the dots. Sorry, sorry.

Yeah. But, I mean, this is all great. I do love, yeah, just the swooping. I love the guy who screams, where are you? Is before that just like, he's so quick to jump to firing the machine gun into the air. Before we have any info as to what's actually going on, this guy's like, just firing wildly. And it's about an hour into the movie, but when we get this first Batman,

attack. Yeah. And you were compelled the entire time before we got here. And that's credit to the film. There's been other action sequences before as well. It's not like we've been just sitting on our hands. Like the all the fights that he gets into they're exciting. I think it's

very smart pacing though because you're not sitting there going like when are we going to get some Batman action? Because you're still getting some action so it's you know. Well that's the thing is because of I think a lot of the issues I had with the editing first time around and what we were talking about earlier Eric and Steve

and you as well is like everything has to go with the rhythm the propulsion has to continue right no matter what and that's where things like the editing have to kind of be given away like just to keep the train moving

at this particular pace and that makes it both work but it also leaves some scenes feeling a little like you left a little earlier than you should have right um so this big you know ass kicking happen and then we get some great Batman comedy because he's just perched on a ledge

and here's Raid Sir Beja again. Nice coat. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, levity right after a big dark action fight. I will say, I mean, I like the comedy in this, but for some reason, nice coat has never stuck well with me. Would you prefer he pulls out a Batman credit card?

I think I would just, actually, maybe. No. It's the back card. It's just maybe one gag too far from me or just going back to that same. Listen, that guy. Raid Zerbeja living on the fucking streets at Gotham for seven years like that. He's dead around.

I guess that is thing. I think if the line had been uttered or had been involving anybody but Raid Serbasia, I probably would be in your camp on this one. It's because I get to see my beautiful race. Oh, dude, he's the cockroach of Gotham. You can't kill that guy. I love looking at him just as much as you guys too. I've rewatched this saint like three times.

And it's almost only because he's the villain. that's got to be his most high profile probably role right I mean taken to he's like snatch I think he's in snatch oh I forgot about that yeah he's big and very good snatch um so yeah this is a Rachel's almost mugged on the subway here I love this the whole elevator I know it's Chicago

but it always reminds me specifically I lived there for the better part of a decade the Astoria subway lines and the stations with the you know you get there's one part of the platform before you get to the train platform and you can get some good full waffle there. That's true. Batman saves her and he explains that like Falcone

they caught it with his pants down and you know you got you got to prosecute him no matter what kind of a thing. He presents her with some photographs of like the judge with the ladies and everything so that's your leverage on that guy. There is the funny she thinks that she has spooked this dude into running away and she goes that's right you better run which is very funny. And then here comes the Z plot which is, which is a bit

over stuff, the water supply tank thing that has been the microwave emitter. First, we have her boss getting murdered in front of it. Oh, Finch. Poor Finch. Open up this crate. I want to see what's in there. Like, well, we're going to have to shoot you the back of the head dude. He's just murdered by

two cops. It's interesting that Razel Gould and Batman both utilizing Wayne Enterprise's gear to fight each other and save and destroy Gotham. Then yeah, what do you call it there? Somebody comes up to

Rutger Hauer and is like, oh, the microwave emitter. Microwave emitter. Well, sit down. I'm going to talk to you about it for 20 minutes. Explain what it is for the first of 45 times. This guy who I'm calling J.J. Abrams.

This guy looks almost exactly like a brown-haired JJ Abrams. And he's like terrified to tell Rutger-Hauer about like what went down. He's like, you know, that microwave emitter thing so it's been stolen

why did turn someone turned it on and it's gone missing missing yeah okay yeah we tried it over the ocean just to see how much of the ocean would disappear we got about not that much of it it turns out but we got the microwave emitter

it's gone now then then he Rucker Hauer goes with Volusius Fox one of my favorite things is I'm, he's like, I want all the paper on the microemitter on my desk, you know, any paperwork whatsoever, floppy disks, all the backup. No reason. And then it's, uh, I'm merging your part, your department with archive and firing you. Did you get the memo?

Well, it's also great because he, like, Rucker Hower's like, yes, I need the case, uh, the file on CH4-649 or whatever it is. And he's like, like, Morgan Freeman, like, thinks about it. He's like, oh, that long series of letters and numbers? Oh, the microwave emitter, you mean? Like, he has the inventory in his head, which is great. And then, like, it's all this stuff. And then he goes, why? Do you lose one?

And that's what gets him fucking fired. It's like he kind of busts his balls right there. Why would you say that? Maybe we have it and we just were looking for its birth certificate. Who told you? I mean, no. So that's going on. And then this is all the, we, around,

here is also the like, Alfred being like, hey man, um, you can't just be Batman. Because if you disappear as Bruce Wayne, you know, you got to keep up the playboy thing too. So this is where he's like with the ladies at the hotel and he's got the big sports car, you know, and all that stuff. I'm buying this hotel. You're telling some fucking guy that just works there. What does that do? Okay, great.

Well, that's, you don't own it right now. So get the fuck out of the point. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to give this billion dollar. Who am I giving this million dollar check to? If that's made out to cash, though, that'd be nice. Oh, yeah, just run off with that. My job at the hotel today, no reason.

Goodbye. Yeah, yeah. No, he didn't buy the hotel, actually. I bought my own home with one. Not only is he be buying the hotel. He's also setting some new rules about the pool area. The way Christopher says pool area. I mean, way that you would imagine that Bruce Wayne has come to your establishment, you've got whoever the biggest guy

at the place currently is handling that table and be like oh no no yeah if they want to finger each other in the pool that's fine they want they want to do whatever the fuck they want go go right ahead completely fine he puts the two women in the pool and then he says don't just stare at it eat it

and he drops a chainsaw on her head we're gonna rename this this is going to be hedonism three but this is it's a real douche chill like he's coming out soaking wet with the babes on each arm. And here's Rachel Dawes the lowly like assistant DA

going to this fan. Yeah, I was like, what's going on here? Because it appears as if there's not like an event, they're just there having a dinner. Sure. Who invited you? Maybe that was her first date with Harvey Dent. Oh, sure. Right in a shady hotel very much.

Paying by the hour, dude. He's in for the interview. He's originally from Minneapolis. They were also using masks and memory cloth up there but this is where she tease him up with the line that he will use to reveal

himself as Batman at the end of the movie to her which is you know it's what you do that defines you it's not who you are on the inside blah blah blah because he's like he's acting like a dick and stop finger banging everyone yes exactly you know I used to throw pennies in that fountain

now look what you did with you and he's like I'm still that guy on the inside it's not it doesn't matter it's what it's what you do otherwise it gives a shit but I'm really bad man what nothing listen my old butler said I had to go and do this type of shit

crane goes to visit Falcone around here we kind of already talked about that but this is like the makes him crazy basically yeah it's really cool do you want to see my mask yeah it's the first good version the first time we see the mask which is really cool and I

I think the CGI scary stuff mostly works. I kind of love spooky Batman at the end of the movie. Oh, dude, spooky Batman like straight out of your nightmares is this fucking thing. I like that quite a bit. I don't like the

the only effects thing that really bother me was when they're doing like surrounding images of the narrows and it's all fake and it looks like it's like from Final Fantasy 14. Right. Yes. The narrows are a little ill like ill defined just in the CGI department. And in other stuff too, which we'll talk about

this is when he gets flas he pulls him up all the way and flash I got children come on they got to eat but they don't like falafo oh yeah just like fucking I mean honestly

he make a crooked cop looks like a good thing that you know looks like a fun little life there you get probably is free falafel you get 20 40 bucks at the same time you're walking around Grape off every inch of conscience you had. I left that behind a while.

It does look super fun. Getting pulled up into the sky and threatened by Batman. Yeah, super fun. You did something today. Swear to be. But then Flas is sort of giving us some information here. Not only are these drugs coming in. There's something else in the drug.

Something different. I don't know. Blah, blah, blah. Only half is going to the dealers or something. Yes. in the narrows. There's something. There's something else in it.

They cut it with something. It's fenn. It's fenn. Everybody's just falling asleep everywhere. Literally just falling asleep in the middle of the day and not waking up. This is when he confronts Scarecover for the first time, right? When he goes to the, he goes to the apartment in the narrows. And this is where he sees like the little boy, you know.

Joffrey Barathad. That's right. No. that right. Yes. Disgusting. Ooh, major disgusting. The worst of the Batman disciples, I would say. Worse than even Joker, I think. That's why little kids are a problem, folks.

They grow up to be. You got to put them down. They grow up to be still children, but also awful. And you can't let them marry. You don't let them do that. But you know what? Honestly, we're making fun here, but that little kid is a good actor because he was good in that role. Yeah, he was.

I think he's actually good here For what he has to do Like yeah Because he means like wow Batman And he says like The other kids aren't gonna believe Yeah Thank you

Grikey is Batman Oh god I hate coming to Little London The Narrows Got you pull me out of the chimney place Oh How does this fucking doorknob work In the middle of the fucking door

Why is it up so high What the fuck? Oy badman you're well cheating you And you know the doorknobs what does he give him right here because he's like the other kids aren't going to believe that I met Batman it's like something that like you can see oh yeah like like you can see over something like a ledge

here he's one of my little ninja stars don't poke your eye out well I thought he gave him the like the grappling gun in first I was like Batman but then he does use it in a few moments I mean this is great this is a still the early outings of Batman because he's like snooping around this apartment Crane and some goons come in

They gotta destroy it So one of my favorite things ever Is dude who stops covering an apartment In gasoline to take a leak Yeah He's like ah you know Just hang on it's like I gotta take a piss We'll finish destroying this apartment

In a second Let me piss on the gasoline And see if a mixture can combust Right he uses the toilet though right He does What respectful you know You're gonna burn it anyway Piss on the bed

Well some people don't instantly Turn into animals dude. I don't know what to tell you. I'm an animal man. But, yeah, so Batman comes out here. We get a little bit of a fight. We get Scarecrow setting Batman on fire,

which is awesome. Oh, yeah. You know what? You should lighten up. Yeah, pretty great. Because it's what, take a seat, have a drink. You know your problem is you should lighten up. You're right. Scarcrow is a good villain here. It's pretty great. And Batman tries another window jump here, falls

down into the street. while on fire. Seeing someone jump on fire is great. It's one of the best things you can see in your life. And this movie gives it to it. It looks fantastic, too. It's an actual fire. It's not CGI-I bullshit.

Is Alfred, I get beat up at school. You got to pick me up, dude. You got to pick me up. He gets gassed by the scarecrow as well. Which is awesome because when Alfred, yeah, he climbs to the top of a building. He's calling him or whatever. And it just cuts to Alfred driving the car.

And he's in the backseat doing sweet, sweet, drunk talk? He's like, oh, my God, I was a scarecrow. Oh, you said we had fried. Oh, Master Wayne, you got into sauce tonight. And they wouldn't serve me a Taco Bell? He said I was being a disturbance.

I'm going to buy this canteen. Oh, great. Now, I've got to go to Taco Bell. I apologize to them. What do you mean? It's too late for your frozen margaria. Give me one canteen. And how many places did you say you're going to buy tonight?

Sheven. Seven play. Oh, great. Okay. That's going to be good. Close me out of O'Grady's. And I was like, no. I'm buying O'Grady.

And now it's 24 hours. You own 11 O'Grady's at this point, Master Wayne. Look, I went in a KFC. I said, give me the double done. They said, we don't have it. It's a regional offering. And I said, I'm going to buy this KFC. And then you're going to share it to me.

How many years ago has it been turned into Wayne fried chicken. We bought it so many years ago, Master Wayne. He's going to have to start trading stuff. Like, give, you're going to buy old grannies. Give him one of your Papa John's restaurant. So he's out for two days. He wakes up. It's his birthday. At this point, we learned that Lucius Fox has been brought fully into the circle. Alfred had to call him to be like, yeah, he's real fucked up on some sort of gag. You better get down here, scientist. I thought, I just thought it was regular coke and he'd come down by the morning

but now he's been sleeping for two days and this is Morgan Freeman is like oh I analyzed all this shit already it's this like weird flower thing or I don't know what the component is but I'm working on the I'm working on an antidote don't worry about that Lucius is some of your super cocaine

I know you've been working on it over there at the way the enterprises there is a great like when he leaves and he's like he's like all right Alfred see you later and he goes Lucius The way, it's just this awesome Michael Tane voice. They're old buddies.

They let you know they're old buddies. What do you think they got up into? Oh, yeah. Back in the day. Left and right, dude. Was Lucius Fox on that Pennyworth program? That's a great question. I wouldn't know.

They're out fucking getting chicks. Lucius, guess what? The Waynes, they're dead. We're eating good tonight, Lusis. Oh, yeah. Guess you just wrangled himself, executive, the way to stay. Any way you want That's the way

Lucius I can't believe it He's coming back Okay You have to move out Of the house Real quick Yeah they've just been Having a cool

Like it's just two dudes Living in a huge mansion Uh huh Like college dorm But in an estate Like Tom Cruise A risky business Just in their underpants

I'm lighting in I left a tie on the door To the left wing That means you don't go in there Lucius Lusus he's alive He's coming back back, you've got to take down all the pulp fiction posters everywhere.

Move the ping pong table out of the master bedroom. Take down a huge sign above his parents' old bedroom that says hot chicks room. Take it down. Okay, we got to take the laundry bin full of empty beer cans. We got to relocate it outside. All right, but what we will do, we will keep the chalkboard with the NBA James standing on it. but we're not going to erase it. We're just going to hide it.

You see, I've been writing it down on the back of a very expensive paint and frame. I'm going to flip the painting back around. We won't have to erase our high scores. And then when they're discovering where to put the bad cave, it's just like Bruce Wayne discovers all like the old arcade cabinets and shit that they were hiding.

Pretty badass, Alfred. Is this a beer refrigerator? Yes, it's a, it's a kegator, actually. Oh, oh, dear me. Oh, no. the urn with poor old Zachariah Wayne in it is full of margarita I drank your great great granddad oh yeah that's that's pineapple it's a pineapple margarita I had

still good that's your feel yeah I can taste the soul in it too not your fault master Wayne who is Lucius he double-dead me he's the devil that one for what it's worth master Wayne your great great-grandfather tasted delicious vicious. So we're setting up this birthday party. I noticed right. Did you guys see this at the, like, because Alfred is already like decorated for this party. It is Bruce Wayne's 30th birthday. Yeah, man. That made me feel old. Oh, yeah. I'm 10 years old than Batman. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Shit. You're retired. You're retired. We can't even vigilante at our age. No, you can't. No, no, no. Rachel drops by gives them that piece of shit arrow head as a present. That's great. She's like, yeah, I went on Antiques Road Show. It was worth nothing.

You're going to have it back. The box that I presented this to you and it was worth more than the actual thing. You wouldn't believe it. Actually, a white guy made it. And that just plummets on the value. Yeah, you know, you'd think it would be real since you are on stolen land. But she's like, I have to go to Arkham Asylum and hopefully not get kidnapped. And he's like, interesting.

I guess I'll follow you there immediately. This is, yes, she goes to Arkham to check in on Falcone. He's totally nuts. This is where she's like, you know, what's, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to have him, it's one of those things like, you got to understand where you are. This is more of a phone call situation. Oh, okay, interesting, Dr. Crane. And then you call him the next day from the safety of your home.

You're like, by the way, I'm going to have my own doctor look at him. And I'm going to have you investigated, et cetera, et cetera, as opposed to telling him off and he's like, oh, well, just come to me, come with me to the basement. There's something very interesting you need to see. Wait, but then how does he kidnap her? How does that happen? You'll understand that the good coats are in the back. No, the good coats are farther back.

Yes, we've been putting the good coats in the water supply. I do love one of my favorite crane lines is when he talks to her boss before he gets murdered. He's like, Mr. Fitch, you should see what allegations your deputy here is allowed to make, if any. Pretty awesome. She called me four eyes. I love his line. This is where we make the medicine. The way that he sort of just like casually shows her like as if it's fine is so

coolly terrifying. Perhaps you should have some to clear your head. Oh yeah, dude. Pretty awesome. And it's a super dose. She gets knocked on her ass like immediately. So he's not a gigante then. Okay, fuck shit

Oh damn it And Batman shows up here And he's like You should call the police What do you do when a prowler comes Call the police He's here Who

The Batman Like the way It just It sort of escalates Like he As he loses the facade of like I have to be this psychiatrist In the institution

And whatever And court appearances and whatever yeah he like lets that melt away and as he starts getting more like sing songy with the dialogue delivery i mean that's exactly why the opi performance is so fucking amazing and he gets the voice so like that is it just draws you in and he can do that shit with his he's been doing that shit with his voice for years now i gotta tell you he uh i use that calm app and there's a lot of different like sleep sounds and meditation and stuff on it but there's also like sleep stories, like stories to listen to as you go

to bed, Killian Murphy reads a couple of them. Oh, it's everything you want. How can you go to sleep with a direction like that? He's telling you about now Vishnu is showing his multiple limbs to the prince

and saying, so then the entire world had been eaten by zombies and the man had woken up in a hospital. So he was seated on a plane next to a young woman and proceeded to threaten her for 80 minutes. By the way, good movie. I rewatched

Red Eye recently. I've been meaning to go back to it. Yeah. Batman shows up. He beats up the baddies. He gives a crane a dose of his own medicine. Which is a cool. Taste of your own medicine, doctor. And he turns into evil monster Batman, which is just

so fucking awesome. Rast how cool is dead? Who are you working for? And he's like venom going out of his mouth. Oh, dude. It's wild this monster. I, I, this is, this is one of the moments where I, God, I miss Ken Russell. Get Ken Russell in this and like, he gets hit by the spray and there's just all these monster penises everywhere and Frayne's face everywhere. 20 minutes of dicks.

I cut the dick and the dick to do dick to do dick. No, it's four dicks. Dicks looked at you. The cops are going to swarm. This is what Batman uses his army of. of bats, one of which is probably hanging in my house, I believe. Yeah, this is your guy's big scene.

There's a really awesome like all the cops are like standing around and Gordon or floss is like, well, what are you doing? Get in there. And he's like, oh, Batman's in there. Some dudes like, we're Batman's in there we're waiting for the SWAT team. And it's a great Mark Boone Jr.

Yeah, just wait for the SWAT team. And then Gordon, it's kind of great because Gordon obviously at this point is unafraid of Batman. He just goes in by himself. which is awesome. He meets up with Batman. Batman explains, you know, Rachel got a high dose of this right to the face.

I can help her. If I don't assume she's going to lose her mind forever or whatever. You know, here's what we got to do to get out of. You take her out the side door or whatever. And this, I, the first time I saw this movie, I thought this was stupid,

but now I think it's totally rad the whole like sonar thing in his foot. Back up. Yeah. It's really cool And just like The evolution Because it's like the third time now

In this movie you've seen Christian Bail Either as Bruce or Batman In some way another Be Surrounded by Bats And this is it's after he's done The Stand Up in the Cave And now it's like He's evolved so far that he's

He's so unafraid That he's using them as What? His little partners in crime Well yeah and that Anti-crime or whatever Now he's working and like The theatricality idea

Like the fact that he's creating spectacle. That's part of what he does. This is something that distracts people. This is something that, like, anything that does that is to his advantage. And another great moment of bat comedy right here is, you know, because he tells Gordon, like,

meet me around the side with Rachel or whatever. And it's Batman using the bombs to blow through the walls and he blows through a cell. And he just, these two dudes are in the cell. He's, excuse me. Yeah. Oh, I love it. It's great. And this is the big chase scene. The big chase scene, because it's like, all right, well, take my car.

I'll take mine. Your car is awesome. And he's in a black tank. I love every single perplexed cop cutaway is so awesome. It's great. I love the leaping on rooftops. Right. Doing like $800,000 of property damage easily.

Oh, yeah. And be like, I'm getting out of here. Fucking cheese. at the feds. Bruce Wayne needs to, sorry, he needs to revitalize that district that Batman does destroy. Yeah, exactly. Here's $2 billion to fix

up that stretch of downtown. Liquidate the enterprises. We're just going to take, be Gotham from now on. It is just so funny that like after all, because you are seeing Blues Brothers ask car flips

here and everything. And they, of course, after all that's over, way later kind of jumping ahead but like Michael Cain like Alfred's chastising him and he's like it's a wonder no one was killed and I'm like really

somebody died no one was killed no one that mattered I covered it up yeah oh you only killed about 30 homeless people it's under 10 it doesn't count if it's under 10

and they're cops it's fine but yeah so he's racing back to the Batcave to give Rachel the serum. Rachel, wake up, stay with me. Rachel, wake up, wait. I want to open the windows and put the radio on really loud,

Rachel. I mean, I hate the drive the trucks. I've said this many times, but to me, the funniest thing in the world is when this chase is happening, and he gets off, and it's a straight shot to the back game, and no cop, followed him.

It literally just a beeline. Rachel's in trouble. okay. And it's just like, I'm sorry, Rachel. Are you a doctor? Are you a doctor? You're going to be okay. Sing the fucking song, Rachel. I'm fucking dying, Batman. I'm fucking dying, Batman. You're going to be okay. It's crazy that he has to make this jump every time he goes in and out of the back.

What a driveway. Oh, yeah. I mean, you get a freak car wash every time. I guess that's true. Not bad. I do also love him. So he's like racing to get the antidote, right? This great moment of him Using his little cape To glide through the Batcave It kind of reminded me of like

When you see the kids With like those little roller shoes And they just kind of roll for a second It's Batman because he's like Running running running running Flying running Yeah He gives him the antidote

And then Alfred has to like Well I guess I'm just gonna take this 24 year old girl And just I'm walking around the grounds with the girl Okay Oh my reminds me A year old high school days

Miles away me cleaning up your messes such as they are. Make sure there's a lot of footage of this. I want to make sure hands were where they were supposed to be. Tetted two, actually. Take some pictures, if you're like. You got those contact lenses with the footage?

Lucius, you're not going to believe what I'm doing right now. Just like when you are here. Not since 81, brother. It's carrying around the bird. But this is, it's still the same day, so it's like the night of Bruce Wayne's birthday party and Alfred Spistoff

because everybody has been waiting and he's like, again, he's emphasizing not only one, you said that like you weren't going to be flashy about this, what do you call this? Also, you have to keep up the playboy side of things. This is the Wayne name, blah, blah, blah. This is the great it's not just your name, sir. It's your father's

name. He's all that's left of him. They were pussy hounds and their grandfathers were pussy hounds. You have to present us one. Now you go out there and you alienate every rich person that is in this Damn shitty. There has to be, I'm sorry Bruce Wayne, but there has to be a better way to do this. No, this is genius. I love it. It's my favorite part of the movie, maybe. But like, as Alfred, as Alfred keeps encouraging, like, you've got to play the long game with this stuff. It's got to be like, I'm sorry, everybody. There's a gas leak. Everybody has to get out. There's a gas leak. It's very unsafe in Wayne Manor right now. Ladies gentlemen, I have diarrhea.

Please leave. It is running down my life. leg as I speak to you right now. It's not a joke. My underwear is full of shit. Please get out. Look at what's pooling around my feet. What do you think I'm talking about? Whatever, Brucey, the open bar's not in the toilet, is it? I'll guarantee there's some stragglers too, because people are fucking up at one of the one of the hallway. You know what I mean? Oh, let's go get a blowjob in the suit of armor collection room. You're not here in the ice machine churn. Those are farts out of my ass. Please go. It's kind of a rapid fire situation at

this point, an automatic on my asshole. No, someone is not operating a semi-broken tractor behind the house. I'm shitting my pants right now, freeloader. You're not hearing a block of ducks, okay?

That is me farting and it's turning into sharts. And please leave. If you people want to be around me when I'm shitting my pants, that's weird. Nope, that's not a malfunctioning forklift. That's every

toilet in my house clogged because I already used them and we still have this situation here. Before he starts being a dick to everybody, he does find Lucius Fox and he tells him about the water supply thing. And it's a great, I mean, it's a comic book movie

and lines like this kind of remind you of that. It's like, Morgan Freeman's like, well, he's like eating like little finger food. He's like, that wouldn't matter so much, Mr. Wayne, unless you uh-oh had a microwave of midda kind of like the one that went missing from wayne enterprises earlier today oh boy there it is and he puts it together and then this lady i would i want the scene before this because what what happens is this yeah this guy who is dressed like razzal ghoul i love this in a cape in a cape by the way to green cape but a party i love it i want a cape too shatting up this this socialite to the point where she likes him enough to be like oh bruce you've got to meet him This is, am I saying it right? Mr. Raz Al-Gul?

Did you watch what happens when they walk? Like, I think she, like, they are holding her hostage. Oh, I see. Because he's, like, holding her when they leave together. Because he is, he's dressed like Raz Al-Goole in the animated series. Yes, yeah. And, like, they're just walking, like, in pair afterwards. No, I prefer to believe it.

I like your version better, to be clear. So what is the league? Oh, the league. I work for the League of Shadows. It's a little. Oh, adorable. League of Shadows, what a fun name. Yeah, it's fun.

We sack constitutional, sacked robberg about sack Goths. Oh, history buffs, fascinating. Oh, Italian. I love it. I love your cape. This lady reminded me of the woman that's at least in Gossip Gertie, you're thinking. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's in, is she in the Schumacher ones?

Is she in the Burton ones? She's in two of the Schumacher ones, I believe she's Bob, kid's wife, Gossip Gertie was. Oh, that's cool. And I actually, I had to double check because it's the same woman. It's not. It's just another woman. Gossip Gertie was long gone, I think, by the time this movie came out. I remember being so totally blown away by this reveal of Liam Neeson.

It's like, it's a testament to the movie that, I mean, because if you, you watch it knowing it now, you look back. It's all the, he's got the fucking Rosal Gould goatee from the jump, all that shit. But like, it's a testament to, like, I was just so engrossed in the movie that when he turns around I was like, oh my God! And it's such a cool idea because Razal Ghul in the comics is an immortal guy

that goes into a Lazarus pit and makes him be immortal and all this stuff. And here you're stripping it down because you're trying to keep this moral grounded. No, he's just, he's a myth because he has all these fake dupes around who you think are Razol I took a note from my good friend

Saddam Hussein. Sadie loved using dupes. I even got this little girl who thinks she's my daughter. I've been telling her every day she's my daughter. She's not really. This little intense French girl. Now this, I got to do a personal story right here thinking about the turn here. When you met Saddam Hussein.

Absolutely. Great God. The big man. Never had any of those WMDs. Really kind of misunderstood. Yeah, go ahead. Great mustache. A little brutal in the bedroom. Anyway, I was still a projectionist at the multiplex over the summer.

coming home from college so I was running this movie and so we had the movie had been out for a while and it was still playing and so we had this junked print it was like the last you know we opened the movie on like three screens it was down to one screen just this one print and not to bore you with the why it was happening to the print but like it kept crashing breaking and so every time it crashed you would have to cut more out of it and there was a thing just just around this same spot, it would crash. And I guarantee you the print has long since been destroyed by Warner Brothers, because that's what they would do with wide release movies, which is insane. But like, all right, the runs are over. Let's destroy all these things. There was a print. You could have called it the Andrew Juppin Booth cut because so much was cut out of this moment

that when we played this print, it skipped the reveal of Liam Neeson. Oh, my God. So it was like, it was basically like, how do you say it? I gole and you see the guy and he says like that's a raise old ghoul is dead or whatever and you missed the Liam Neese it would like it was like jump cut

to he's just talking to Liam Neeson just jump cut to I don't have to save you but wow and it was this insane thing where I was like I was telling the manager I was like you're missing the turn of the movie none of this is making sense but they would not give

another print it was like look you're like a month and a half into this run you're going to come out of it eventually anyway you're not getting a new one deal with it so if you went to our theater late in the movies run to see it for the first time you were totally missing what was happening there it made no sense

to you. Is that Mr. Raz Al Gould a look into it Wow what a weird ending At least that way would kind of make sense wow what a cliffhanger but anyway I do love the Liam niece and you took my

suggestion of theatricality to extremes or whatever that lie or a little too seriously or whatever. He's just walking around and Gotham will fall. He's kind of laying out his master plan. He's like you know, you have to let these people go. This is what he does. Not diarrhea. It's like it's just crazy. Oh, you sick

of fantastic phony. My God the apple has fallen far from the tree. Your father's ass was never exploded at parties. And I know it doesn't make any sense. How did he clog a toilet with liquid shit? Well, I'm just that good folks now. Get

the fuck out of here. It's kind of awesome because the affectation he puts on is like drunk Patrick Bateman. It's great. Yeah. Which is really cool. Yes. So yeah. The apple, pleasely. Fake John Hurt, whoever this guy is. Such a fake John Hurt.

And so we start to get into it. John Paine over here. John Awee. And I do love amusing, but ultimately pointless. They'll all be dead. And by the way, it's, I don't know, it takes a fucking hour to get to fucking wherever this is.

May I remind you, you live out in the middle of nowhere. There's a huge fucking traffic jam out there. I'm trying to leave it once. Oh, I hear in the story trying to get a movie in Manhattan. Move! No, move your car. We can't all go through the canopy at the same time.

Is the house on fire? What's going on back there? But yes, of course. You burn my house? It's only fair I burn yours. I do love that he's really pissed about that. Oh, yeah. Well, it was like a 600-year-old house, man. Well, because you know fake Razal Ghul was telling him about we should move to the explosive room.

It shouldn't be right there. At least put the gunpowder in a sealed closet. It should have a door, is what I'm thinking here for our explosives room. Maybe if it's just paper, but a door at least. All right. You know what? We're going to rebuild the League of Shadows first. A new fake duperation, Razal Ghul.

Get somebody shorter than me. A tool. We're going to burn that son of a bitch's house. I don't know how long it if it takes me the end of my goddamn life. I'm going to burn that fucker's house down. Give me a Kevin Connolly, Rosalgoor. Ooh.

Just to waste one. I just want one that I can put out there. Yeah, this is my daughter, Talia Al Ghul. It's me, Kevin Connolly, Razal Ghul. That's not really Razal Ghul. Yeah, that's like a little Rosal Ghul. Goblin. Razzal Goblin. Yeah, that's Razzal

Troll. Oh, no, he's not going to do the movie. Better go to the Lazarus Pit and live another 200 years. Hey, Dukad's doing the movie. Do Cod's doing the movie. Exactly. I do love the detail here that's great as he's like, and this is what sort of, I mean, Batman's going to do it anyway, but really motivates Batman

here as he's like, we tried to take Gotham down once already. Oh, yes, back in the 80s, economics. And he basically admits to, like, causing the depression in Gotham, which is what led to the poverty, which led to Joe Schell's desperation, which led to the Wayne's being murdered. I told Ronald Reagan to de-regulate. We had our fingers everywhere, Mr. Wayne.

Yes, that's right. The League of Shadows invented trickle-down economics. Yes, we were the ones who gave him all those jelly beans. They were filled with a very kind of powder. And as Nixon before him, four words, the war on drugs. You never learn them out in your surroundings, huge beamfalls on our boy here. Oh, classic beamfall right here. Pretty great.

And, you know, Roz, I mean, I know it's more theatrical to let him burn to death, but just fucking break his neck here, dude. Just so you know. Just so you know. Because you're not just dealing with Bruce Wayne, man. You're dealing with Batman. A dude that you trained in all your ninja fighting. I feel like that is something that maybe is the last thing of on. he has. It's like you don't do that to another League of Shadow member. Oh, sure. You've got to like

Chance must kill them. It's not right. Right. To be fair, he does say very specifically like, you burned my house down and left me for dead. I'll do the same to you. There you go. Which is donkey shit though because he didn't leave him from dead. He saved his life and then dragged him all the way down the hill. Left him

with that dude. Thank you. That dude must have fucked up the message, I guess. Yeah, that's actually true. I saved you. I got you out of. there. Dude, brilliant. Props to that. That white bastard just left you up there to die. I crawled all the way up there, crawled all the way back, a little something for my troubles. So maybe if there's the big house again, you

rebuild it, you get a little room for me in there too. Because I appreciated all those years of giving me my bounty of dirt rice every year. So I got you. Thank you. Is there a reward for saving your life by any chance? So they leave the League of Shadows does. And like, they kind of pass Alfred on the road, which is kind of hilarious. Oh, yeah. What is he going to do at this point? So they think.

But I would be great. Like, you know, you just again, that try. I guess we're blocked it. Move your Lexus, madam. Madam, move your Lexus. Oh, it's that Ray's Algoor. Again. I do love Michael Kane. You're not going to fit. Oh, God. Yes, the Michael

Kane line here is an all-time. Him hitting the guy with the fireplace poker, which is awesome. Apologizing for it. And also the, what's the point of those bloody push-ups if you can't lift a log. Yes. Come on. Come on, you pussy. Oh, look

who turned back into a fat little bitch. Well, how about that? Look who's a fat little bitch house. So, whatever. The final sequence of this movie, the narrows is going crazy because Arkham is emptied out. Craziness on

the streets. I do. Put a pin really last, the last scene with Alfred, the last meaningful scene before the ending. which is just the, you know, you still have, Alfred, you know, he's like, I failed Gotham, I failed everything, but Alfred brings them up again, like really, the screenplay really wanted to build up the Alfred character. This is another one of those, never.

Yeah, it is, you still haven't given up on me. Never, never. It is, I mean, the awesome thing to, Alfred dodging a huge fireball as the elevator goes flying down. That's pretty badass. But yes, no, now the narrows is going. tits up because we've got the we've we've exploded the gas agent yes and everyone's going nuts including all the cops are there to handle it because it was like uh Arkham is emptying out we got to get all the cops there to help rain them in yes now the bridges are up now all the

gas has uh well the the water has been turned into gas by the device because uh Liam Nissan's there uh they activate the the microwave emitter Katie Holmes has woken up and run there to give Gary Oldman his antidote. Oh, that's right. You can inoculate himself. And is, of course, now just has to take care of Joffrey for about 10 minutes. While walking to the island and telling the cops,

like, I'm a prosecutor. Stand by. He has like, all right. All right. Get yourself to litigate. Get out of my way. You're going to die in there. But there's also great Mark Boone Jr. His last moment is like this this guy is like, hey man, this is police brutality. He's like, you want to see police

brutality? Oh, right. Yes. And then he sees him as a goblin and then that guy sees him as a goblin. Which, actually, that guy was already inoculated. He was just looking at Mark Boone Jr. I love the guy. He's got crazy hair in this movie, like all of his movies. But he might have horns.

I've never looked at it. Depending on the shadow placement. You got a freeze frame. Could be. And then Gary Oman knocks him out, basically, like tries to gain order. But the problem is, what's kind of amazing, which I forgot about this movie, at this time. The narrows is left for dead. Like, it's

not like, oh no, we need to save these people. You see, by the way, someone biting someone's neck at some point. Like, it gets fucking crazy. The part where Batman gets overtaken by a bunch of people, it's a straight up like George Romero's zombie attack.

Yes. Because they all like, you know, dive on him and he's screaming. Like, it's super zombie movie right here. This is also, Crane's going around. Crane's going to like kill the little kid and Katie Holmes or whatever and she shocks him in the face with the stun gun which is great and it's a very comedic end

because now he's falling on it at first he's really scary and demeaning and demonstrative and then like he's just hanging on for thread by the horse screaming he does the great because she's like crane and he's like crane scarecrow yeah which is cool

I like the horse with the it's like breathing fire yes yeah that's a cool visual and it's cool for this way to get a little bit nutty towards the end oh yeah definitely But so Batman, again, is like, oh, man, if that train hits, he explains very clearly to Jim Gordon once. It's like, if that train hits the Wayne Tower, which it's about to, the chain reaction will cause the entire city to crumble. So I got to stop that. The microwave emitter is on the track.

Can you drive a stick? Yeah. And I'd be like, no. Automatic man here. Do you got one of them? I can do it. I'm not very good at it. Again, people are fucking each other's skulls and the narrows that he's.

He's like, yeah, I got to get to the rich part of town. If that hits the rich part of town, oh boy, that'd be bad. The Narrows is lost. I mean, it's the narrows is lost. I said it's lost. We got to think about Trump Tower. I mean, Wayne Tower right now. Because that's what, one of the last lines in the movie, Gary Olman says, you know, everything's so bad. The narrows is lost to us. I'm like, is it? Like, what are they going to do? Sink it into the harbor? Like, how lost are you given up here? I mean, I probably think at that point, the narrows is. is getting a gangs of New York treatment. It's the Nigma Territory. Oh, absolutely. Clayface has got a little conclave there somewhere. Killer Crocs pad on the northeast side.

Harley Quinn's got the main part, I think. She's, her and poison ivy, you know, sputting up. The trade hits Fifth Avenue, Sacks will be closed tomorrow. I got to stop it. It's Black Friday tomorrow can't be closed. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, ba, bum, save all the stores. Can't believe they broke the windows. Bump, all the best buy.

One of the things people only come to Gotham for anymore is holiday shopping. It is when Gotham shines on Christmas time, man. Now, Master Wayne, this is the Fourth of July. People aren't going to be able to buy their nice coats on Fourth of July. Oh, yeah, well, round the corner is a Labor Day event. Everything must go, Alfred. We've got to protect it at all costs. Fuck the arrows.

I know that they're eating each other like turkeys. I don't care. Everything must go, especially that microwave emitter that's getting away. So he goes off after it and Gordon takes the fucking Batmobile. Really cool. Oh, yeah. And this is going to be air introduced for fucking slow Joe in the back row. We're in the control center of the train thing.

Oh, my God. If that train hits here, it's going to cause a chain reaction. I'm like, I just saw that. Literally just saw that five minutes. But I'm a fat old weird guy like you in the audience that didn't get it yet. This guy sticks out like such a sore thumb that it reminded me of like, remember in all of the 90s Batman movies, there's that like, I don't know if he was like a congressman or a mayor or some dude who was a huge Batman fan. Lehi, I think he was a, it was a senator though. Yeah.

And it was Patrick Leahy? I think so. Yeah, of Vermont. And I believe he gets talked up in the dark night. He gets actual dialogue. Yeah, the Joker, when the Joker goes to the penthouse and takes the guy by the... So is he in this movie in any place? No, I think he's in the dark night.

Okay, because, I mean, he sticks out this guy. It just, it feels like he won some kind of fan contest to play water department guy. Maybe he's bad kid. Did I look at it wrong? Maybe. Oh, it could be bad kid. You know, whatever happened to... Well, no, but like, you have to, I mean, you want to relate, like, you got to make this character relatable, I guess.

So you give him like... this accent and a hamburger stain on his shirt. Right. And that's good. And now we understand it. Right. But yeah. So this is just the last final thing is like he tells Oldman or tells Gordon to go

knock down a bunch of the support beams, you know, so that the train can fall. So like I love Gordon going into weapons mode and Gary Oldman to be like, I like that. I got to say every time, I've seen this movie about five times now, every time. Every time when he says, I got to get me one of those, I wince. Yes. It's such, it's like, it's a lame. It's in like so many other movies.

There's been so many times someone has had to get them one of those. Like, Will, uh, Will Smith does it Independence Day, right? Yeah. That's like the biggest, the biggest example of that, I think, yes. And now we're just doing that a decade later in this movie. And it's about the tumbler. Like, I get it. It's cool.

But come on. What are you going to do? Where are you going to drive that, Jim? Jim, what are you going to do? Going to go to Home Depot? You're going to let some fucking wood in the back there? I got to tell you, when we're not like I've ever been driving a tank or anything, but I had a similar thing when we were on tour in Arizona after we played Phoenix, Chelsea and I drove north and had some time in the desert.

And as we were driving up to Sedona, I'd rented a Mustang. And I'm driving through the desert. And it was a total, like, in my, I didn't say anything that I was, it was so fun to drive this car. I was like, I gotta get me one of these. It was so cool. I just want Jim Gordon to bring the tumbler back to his house and his wife

was like, what the fuck is this Jim? What'd you do this time? You're a piece of shit. You know what? No, I didn't want a house, Jim. I wanted the Tumblr. Thank you very much, Jimithy. I wanted to live to make your car insurance payments. Oh, where's Barbara

going to sit? Where's the car seat going to fit, Jim? Oh, is she going to sleep in there? That's very thoughtful of you, Jim. By the way, guys, not to backtrack too much. Just one part of the narrows, I have to mention when the little Joffrey Baratian kid is like, I can't find my mom. And a police

guy just shoves his hand in his face and pushes him away. It's a league of shadows guy pretending to be a cop. Yeah. Either way. Either way it is very... He's so dismissive. Like, get the fuck out of. You'll be dead in seconds. That's when they first turn on the microwave emitter. When they started in the narrows. Right. Yeah. And everyone's gacked out of their mind.

So Batman is fighting Rezaa Ghul on the train. More great fighting here. Yeah, it's a nice fight. Even Liam Neeson, you know, Razan Ghoul is like impressed. He's like, wow, you've certainly come a long way with your fighting skills. I think this is when the sword and he uses it to break with the, what do you think about this? Pretty cool. And yeah, I just, and may I remind you, if this train gets to where we are, this whole place is going tits up.

Excuse me, I was just eating a slice of pizza while I was telling you this. Do you relate to me yet? I mean, it really takes you out of the movie. It might as well be like, uh-oh, the Gremlin's got in the projection booth again. There is a great moment with this guy, though, where they cut to, it's after like three times they've cut to him. He said a hilariously delivered bit of exposition. They cut back to him this time. The guy's mouth just kind of opens.

And before he can say anything, they cut away. And I'm like, I know that he's just telling his co-worker the same exact thing. But they were like, you know what? We've seen him say it enough. He beats Razzal Ghul here, obviously, like you would. And he's like, well, do you have it and you to do what's necessary, i.e. kill me. Right. I don't have to kill you, but I don't have to save you either.

But then again, you cut the brakes on the train. So that's murder, pal. That's murder one. And Gordon being an accessory to murder by shooting. Also destroying the one. achievement of your father. I guess she'll rebuild the monorail or whatever. With the old dude

you start the renewal project. The very uncorrupted renewal project. All right. I forgot about renewal. Absolutely. Yeah. So Liam Neeson's death. I mean, this is a that guy got killed. Yes. Not only does this train fall stories into a parking

garage, but then it just the whole thing explodes. Felix meditates for the last moment there. I love a good villain knows the end is closing the eyes and just waits for it. I love that too. Pretty awesome. I'm going to try to do that.

They sort of made Bond do the same thing in that last awful movie. Oh, right. Yeah. Oh, they beefs that one. Well, that guy's not going to be able to direct any. No, he's finished.

That's the same of that. That is kind of my argument for bringing Nolan on for the Bondo. It's like, you fuck that up so badly. Yeah. Just you got to do an upswing. You got to get the stink off that franchise. You really do.

That fucking has got to happen. Ugh. Still never saw. I just ruined the ending I've known that But so You know He you know

Everything explodes And now he The day is saved Oh by the way Everyone You know in Dustal Dawn When Los Lobo starts playing a guitar

That's a person Yes That's going on in the narrows There is someone Nightly A person like the guitar Literally just over the bridge But the day is saved

Oh my God That's great They got a residency right there. Call Sears, tell them to put out the placard that they're open for business. Yeah, there's just like Ed Gein furniture

is like outside and like, hey, here's $200 for a bone couch. The only movie that's now legal to watch in the Narrows is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. As an instructional video. Oh, the Narrows is lost. It's fine.

Yeah, they're all. They're fucking their skulls in there and everything. No, no. But you should, you know, definitely go home and relax and have some wine after all this there, Batman. It's a very quick.

The next morning, the meeting is already started and Rucker Hauer walks in. There's Morgan Freeman putting papers down. Like, I thought I fired you. You did. I got a new job. Yours. Freeman with the fucking choke slam with that line. And then he shoves it right in his ass

with, didn't you get the memo? Then he does a little dance. And then Bruce Wayne actually calls in. He's like, what the fuck is this? Like, no, I, The company was going public. That was like an e-plot of this movie. And Bruce bought up all the shares. So now it's his again.

Right you are, Mr. Wayne, which is so good. The precursor to now that's more like it, Mr. Wayne in the next movie. Right, you are, Mr. Wayne. Very fantastic. Yeah. So how are out on his ass. Lucius Fox running Wayne Enterprise is very, very cool. Now we're looking at the rubble that is Wayne Manor.

Rachel is here. And her nipples arrive as well. It was a chilly day on the outskirts of Gotham, my friend. Maybe get that fire going again, warm up. They came in a separate car, Eric. They were, they were, they were, they were special people. I love that eight, which I've shown to you guys, ABC family used this scene and this scene alone for its promotional cut when they aired Batman, uh, begins because like,

he fights for family and lives for love. Batman begins. He's like kissing her and it's like, fights for family. and lives for love. Oh, yes. You go on YouTube, ABC Family Batman Begins. You'll thank me.

Join us tonight for Nipples Begins. And this reminded, this is very much like the end of a lot of those Remy Spider-Man movies, right? It's like the girl, you know, obviously is we can't be together because. Right.

You know what I'm saying? All of the, everything's wrapping up and you think now he's going to kiss the girl and everything's going to be good. No, it's, there's complications. And I mean, I do like the way that she lays this out, right?

She's like, no, no, no. Like, Bruce Wayne is your alter ego. Like, you on the inside right now are Batman. And she says, like, the man I loved left and never came back. Maybe he's still out there somewhere. Bruce, where is that fat little bitch I fell in love with when we were eight years old? You don't complain like you used to. I can't pinch these cheeks, Bruce.

Look at those cheek bones. You're gone. I know the kid's not that fat. No, he's not. Your chin isn't weak anymore and it's not trembling. So that's not doing it for me. You just don't annoy me like you used to. So they kiss and then, you know, there's a little bit, a little fun business of...

I thought of improving the foundations. Oh, in the northeast corner so. Precisely. It's like we're going to make a big old back cave. Which kind of never comes to anything because it's not in the next movie. He's like living at Wayne Enterprise or like in the basement or something. next in the next movie. Like the Batmobiles like in a in the in a high rise.

It's in a construction site. It's, he goes to a construction site. Oh, right. And they're still rebuilding. They're still rebuilding. Yeah, that's right.

That's right. Because in the third one is it fully rebuilt? I think it is doing stuff again in the house. I should go back through these. He is in the like haunted part of the mansion in the third one. Okay. Being relegated there. Right.

So this is the big final. Hey with Gordon. You really started something. and it's definitely a good thing it's not like this is going to mean the end of Gotham actually actually hold on listen those screams

those are coming from the narrows they're kind of harmonizing it's lost I told you it's lost it's ambiance the sound is ambiance It's blooming dales would just have to turn up the Christmas music drown it out

so yeah I mean I do love the approval he sort of knocks on the new bat signal he's like nice and the last you know there's a guy take the you know what about escalation you you start wearing a mask what are they going to do take this guy's got a taste of theatrical look at this it's a card oh look it do it's the joker and he just jumps off that building and flies into the camera and that's batman begins uh but that is the end of this movie here we'll go around the horn for some final thoughts eric siska yeah um i really like this one

and i've always been a nolan girly uh from way back when ever since i first saw memento. I don't know. He just does it for me. I can't believe people had that. There was a lot of like people trying to like say they hate Nolan now and this. Sure. What are you drinking?

It's the hip fun thing to do. Sure. Yeah. I think this is a great movie. This might be my favorite of all of these Nolan badmans. I know a lot of people are more partial to the dark night. But I feel like a story wise, this is like tighter and stronger in some ways. Maybe weaker in some elements because.

it's a lot going on in this runtime. Yeah. But I had a great time revisiting it. I haven't seen it in a long time. And I just had a lot of fun watching it. So yeah, big recommend. Chris Cabin. Yeah, I really like this movie. And I like the no.

I think what I mean, what I didn't like about him out the first place was the editing stuff and just kind of technical level, his rhythm didn't really appeal to me. But what I like about him and this has been true from Memento out is that he is about he makes heroes that do not understand the amount of bad they do.

Memento is all about this righteous guy who is actually destroying the world around him and killing people and all this stuff. Just like Batman. Well, that's like what I like about this one, like we lost the narrows. I failed. The main thing they wanted to do

essentially did happen. It just didn't have the effects that they were hoping it did. And the same thing in the dark night. The Joker wins. Like these are things about like you start something for heroic reasons and then you cannot contemplate how big it's going to go and how much evil you will unleash with that. That's true of Oppenheimer. It certainly is. That's his idea. And I like that he is an artist that has this idea he comes back to his stylistic ideas. He comes back to he's probably one of the last big time

autours we're going to have. I mean like Peel is probably the last one. But like who knows? I don't want to I don't. There could be others. There could be plenty of more. Who knows me of them? just a skeptic. Don't worry. There's some kid out there about to inherit the Wayne Enterprises trust fund and then you can go into the arts. The great grandchild of the coax is going to be an amazing filmmaker.

No, I mean, yeah, I've come around to him a lot more recently and this movie rocks. I like this and the dark night about equally. We'll leave Mr. Batman for last, Mr. D.C. I'll just say, I realize this time around, this is my favorite one. And I think

the reason why for so long I was like it's the dark night is because of that ledger performance. But if you remove the ledger performance, not that it's a bad movie, but you've got stuff like the fucking tiny list or boat nonsense. Like all this shit that's like, it's clunky as fuck that I just like was willfully blind to because that ledger performance is so fantastic. But I think overall, this is the better movie. And I haven't gone through these in a long time.

And I think I might kind of like rewatch the other two. But also after this talk, I'm hankering for another, the Batman rewatch, so we'll see about that. Steve Sadek. Yeah, no, I love this movie. I probably would still put Dark Night above it, even though I do think that it's a warts and all scenario because that Tiny Zeus Lister scene is just interminable. It sucks. And I love

Tiny Lister. Yeah, of course. It's not his fault. It's what the movie's doing. Yeah. And like, that again was like beating a point that had been made in that movie fucking 20 minutes earlier. But, I mean, long story short, I love this movie. I think it's it doesn't get enough credit

not doesn't get enough credit it's it's fun to revisit it and think about like all of the things that like it, it, how influential it was, how different it, how going against the grain it was at the time and now how so much of that stuff became just like, you know, part

and parcel of how we make movies. You know what I mean? And like, yeah. That's unfortunate because I think it would be great to have some new ideas and like I do think there'd be, I just love the idea. I think real comic movies should be, here's a cool director here's a character let me see in seven months

that's what these movies should be and I don't even know if DC can do that anymore like it's not even nobody's doing that anymore everyone is just so worried about just the product itself and like how to maximize

all this stuff and creating a tent pole universe and just give me a movie and then I'll you know what and if that movie's good I'll see the next one and that's how that's going to be and that's what this movie was because you don't know if

they didn't like yes the Joker it's it's a sequel set up but it could just be the end of the fucking movie it's just like oh the Joker is around in this universe fun fun little you know Easter egg yeah that's it and but that's what this movie was it's like it's it's a it's a proof of concept we can Nolan could make a Batman movie cool yeah exactly that is gonna do it for this extra packed episode talking about Batman begins if you want more Wii A movies of course check up

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We put you in a sunglass case and shot you at the planet. But that conversation was still a lot of fun, maybe especially because we, no. Yeah, I bet it was. No, we're also on animation damnation. A full fucking fledged episode on who framed Roger Rabbit. Holy shit. Oh, my gosh. That movie rules.

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Double. We also have a We Hate Movies episode on The Hunger Games that's out. You can check that out. That came out earlier this month. Now, of course, we love movies month here is continuing. And if you are at the $8 level or higher, you are listening to all of these ad free, I may mention, which is very rad, folks. But we did Psycho last week. We got Batman right now.

Steve Sadek, what are we talking about next week? It's a big boy. It is Blade Runner, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, yes. Harrison Ford played Blade Runner. A Mr. Blade Runner. runner. This is, you know, definitely in the royal

rid camp. Oh, yeah. Of course. So that's going to be a lot of fun. So until next week, when we're figuring out which of the four of us is a robot, I've been Andrew Jupin. Stephen Seda. Eric's sister. Chris Cabin. Take it easy. ...the...

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