We Hate Movies - S14 Ep709: Beetlejuice (W❤️M)

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

“If ever you needed a showcase for the brilliance of Michael Keaton, you just need to show various clips of this performance” - Andrew  On this week’s episode, We ❤️ Movies month wraps up with a convo about one of our absolute faves, Beetlejuice! How incredible is Michael Keaton in this movie? How cool is all the stop motion weirdness? Is this Tim Burton’s best film? And how unsettling is it to see Alec Baldwin play a nice, gentle nerd? PLUS: Turns out Otho was put out of the paranormal business by the Ghostbusters!  Beetlejuice stars Michael Keaton, Alec Baldwin, Geena Davis, Catherine O’Hara, Jeffrey Jones, Winona Ryder, Sylvia Sidney, Robert Goulet, Dick Cavett, Susan Kellerman, Adelle Lutz, and the late, great Glenn Shadix as Otho; directed by Tim Burton. DON’T MISS  OUT! Get tickets for the WHM Holiday Extravaganza where we’re talking The Santa Clause on 12/7 at White Eagle Hall in Jersey City! Want more WHM? Join our Patreon fam today and instantly unlock hours and hours of exclusive bonus content, including Ad-Free WHM Prime at the $8 level and up! Check out the WHM Merch Store featuring new Polish Decoy, ‘Jack Kirby’, and Forrest the Universal Soldier designs! 

This week on the program, it's a film about an indefensible, disgusting pervert. No, not Jeffrey Jones. It's Beetlejuice. I'm Andrew Dietz. Stephen Sadek. Eric Juice. Uh, bug breakfast. And we're here to see some ghosts. Ha ha ha ha ha. Hello, everyone, welcome to we love movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, that's right. We Love Movies month is getting a little spooky.

and a little funny as we talk Tim Burton's Beetlejuice from 1988 grand year for motion pictures by the way. Juicy year. I think this is the same year. I think this is it's funny. The guys who wrote this and we are going to talk a lot, I think, about the

original ideas in this script that got buffed out, thank God. But Burton did a episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents written by these same guys. Has anybody else seen it? No. No. Is that what you were doing today?

I was part of what I was doing today. Yes, it was a seven, eight hour episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents. Oh, like you're putting in an eight hour day. Okay. Continue with your story. What's the episode of that? And it's Paul Bartel, Griffin Dunn.

They're making fun of high art. It's really, it's actually pretty fun. It's pretty fun. A lot of does feel like proto stuff for this movie. The Paul Bartel character has a big Otho feel to him. Okay. Oh, that. That's interesting.

So, wait, so Paul Bartell Griffin, this is like a new brought back Alfred Hitchcock presents. 88. I don't know if it had been relaunched or had just like been running silently and nobody noticed. No, I don't think. He'd been dead for the better part of a decade by that point. Oh, no, I mean, he wasn't introing or anything. It's got a credit from 86.

Okay. So that sounds to me like they brought it back. Similar like Twilight Zone now Forrest Whitaker's hosting it or whatever. Well, that even makes more sense than that that was like the prototype for what they were going to work on with this stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, Otho is a character that, I mean, we're going to get it to, but like, I think every character

sticks out in this movie. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Now, Steve Sadec, if you found a person on earth that was unaware of the film Beetlejuice from 1988, directed by Tim Burton, how exactly would you go about describing it to them? Well, it's kind of great because that's what's so

interesting about it is it's such a unique movie. It's a, I wouldn't even call it a black comedy. It's like, it's like uh because it doesn't get it never gets that dark um i guess i would call it a dead people they are dead people uh it's a macabre kind of goth comedy i guess you'd call this okay yeah i like that macabody dude the comedy uh i like that we should pioneer this we should try yeah the skeleton league tv show could be a macabody about two two which actually in which is great because it inverses the idea of what is a haunted

house in this world it's you're the ghosts and human beings are haunting your house and that sucks and how do you solve it you don't want to get someone named Beetlejuice to help you because he's a bag of trouble I mean he's

an unreliable contractor yes and he's also I mean I would argue I think the snake version of him is pretty creepy I think that that that definitely freaked me out when I saw this the first time. I love it right out of the gate talking about the snake version.

Yes, that freaked me out too. I saw this. This was the first movie I ever saw in the theater. I was like five years old. Five years old obviously didn't really remember it. I just know the story that my parents were like, we brought you there. Back then you just, instead of, you know, daycare, you just bring your kid or whatever. Because you have to be a ticket for that kid, right?

So it's just like your parents are going out, dragging a child along for free. Sure, yeah, of course. And I remember the snake thing being quite scary. Well, that's happened twice now in movies that I think are pretty fun. I mean, I love this movie. But a movie that's also pretty fun is Dream Warriors, Nightmare 3. And he's a fucking snake in that, too. You have Freddy snake in that movie.

I mean, I would argue that that's a lot about what this movie. I mean, I think this is as crucial personal film for him as like seven was for Fincher as far as like, this is what I'm about. This is my tone. but also the text like the story itself like them being like we want to get these people out we want to reclaim our space but we do not want to become these monsters

like I can see it as a statement from him being like I don't want I love horror I love doing that stuff I think it's incredible it really influenced me but that's not what I'm exactly interested in I'm interested in a bigger fan like more emotions bigger emotions right like this family tent

like all this stuff. It's an argument, I think, between these two sides. It's also, I mean, it's hilarious to me that all, so much of this movie is about real estate. Yeah. That's incredible. That's life, baby. Yeah. By the way, Chris, when you said it was a personal film and then you mentioned David Fincher's seven. I was like, did seven happen to David Fincher? Yeah, we have to talk. I kind of thought that's where he was going. I was like, did his mother's head cut off and put in a box? Where's that going? Is he also saying Beetlejuice is real and it happened the Tim Burton. The ex-wife that him and Gary Oldman share of was found

headless at one point. Who knows who did it? This is the invention of a Tim Burton movie. I mean, obviously Pewy's a big adventure is a Tim Burton movie, but this is like, it's got all the trappings, it's got the macab bit. We don't have Christmas. There's no Christmas just yet, but it's, it's

right around the corner. You know what I mean? As you would say, Steve, it's a capital T, capital B, Tim Burton movie. Exactly. You could have easily made this a Christmas movie because those little like the model like you could have easily made that Christmas theme

Oh just dust it Yeah you get coconut flakes on that fucker Oh you just gotta dust that model You'll make it Christmas in no time A place three doors down for me Used to have like a A display for Christmas

That was a giant model Not of the town itself Just you know town stuff And train stuff Oh sure Always peering in looking for Is there a Dante's Inferno Horehouse in here anywhere

Dude you know how like I forget what the it's not precious moments those were the weird like angelic cherub creatures but there's some sort of like ceramics brand of like

holiday building shit that people collect and it's like you're making the winter village and you can buy a library and the schoolhouse and whatever were your families not into these like buying these a collectible like light up houses? No we did no they didn't buy anything

were they light it so they lit up like that you plug them in and everything yeah yeah they would light up and there's like a little bulb inside and it would look like you know there's there's some that are like dickens themed but it's really like just these like ceramic made buildings that people collect they can't think of the brand name but it would be awesome if that company wanted to get with the times and it's like you've got like yeah ebenezer scrooge's you know office building you're the marley building and like over here's where bob cratchett lived oh and there's the whorehouse from beel juice buy that this holiday Yes, and here's a crack den as well. If they had sold that as a play set, it would have flown off the shelves, I think. Oh, yeah. The Date's whorehouse, I think that would have really sold. Because then what you do, right, is like, you know, I have an aunt who's very, very into this thing.

Like, she gets this thing out every Christmas. It gets bigger every year with like the additions or whatever. You start punking people like that. You sneak the whorehouse into this Christmas Eve once they're asleep. and then when they wake up on Christmas morning, oh, Santa brought me a light-up whorehouse. Look at that. Yeah, and then you could just direct the three wise men

that away after Christmas morning. Oh, yeah. That's right. Take your cheap gifts. Give them to baby Jesus and now go get laid at the horn house. Do you girls accept frankincense or mure? Isn't it weird?

This is Alec Baldwin. Isn't it strange? Yeah. It's just... Because he's thin. He's like... Nice. He's taller than usual.

He's nice. That's the thing. That's the weird one. That's the weird one. That's the weird. person. Exactly. He's just like, he loves his wife.

He doesn't want to cheat on her. He's not like, and he's got the voice, but it's like, it's a nicer, oh, a beat. You know what I mean? Like, I think he's kind of a nerd, which is kind of great. Like, you know what I mean? He's a super nerd. Like the introduction of his characters, Adam. I mean, he's got glasses, yes.

Well, I mean, Steve's got glasses. He's about as nefarious as they come. Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. That's true. It's very true, actually. we're introduced to him

not killing a spider that's in his little display like he lets it go out the window it's a big ass spider I'd be like is a ratophobia happening I'd be hitting it with a hammer

and that model is goodbye yeah I'll rebuild the movie theater or whatever I need to do this thing I am nuking this part of the town it took forever to get that little a wise potato chips a car out of that did everybody else say

oh dude This must have been some weird product placement. Like, there's, I didn't notice this. There's a little in the opening thing when it's going on the town. There's a truck near the market. And it's a big wise potato chips truck on the thing. And I like, that couldn't just be like, because you would just make it like Vincent Price potato chips or something. People will forget.

Wise was everywhere. This was a wise country for a while. Oh, absolutely. Dude, wise was dominant. Ruffles, you can get right out of here. Now, Chris, the thing about that I'm wondering about. Because, like, when that shot starts, it's like the first shot of the movie is, like, you're seeing the town on this overhead and the, the Elfman's score just bum, boom, boom, boom, boom, but it goes from real to fake at some point. Yeah.

And I think the wise potato chip might be one of the last real structures. No, no, no, no, that sucker is fake. Is it fake? I love the way it's laid out because it's like, it's parked, like, in, it's almost in the street. The doors open. It looks like someone just hit this truck, like, robbed it. stole all the potato chips. Well, I mean, this is, actually, you know,

and I'm going to admit something that might shock a few people. I've actually never seen Pewy's Big Adventure. If you could believe it. Really? Oh, okay. Really good movie. Weird blind spot. It's good. But this is like, to be a Tim Burton movie needs to have,

I mean, a good one because he hasn't made one quite some time, is the, the kick-ass opening. You know what I mean? Like that, like, and the opening sequence of whatever. And I think that like that, like, that, I think that that's what I love about the model opening is because levels of reality kind of a thing which we're kind of setting up with the thing

you know what I mean like we're playing around with that and then obviously it's just huge spider where it's like again setting up this sort of like 50s-esque horror you know what I mean like huge spider joke yeah oh that's a good call like atomic horror kind of stuff I'm back to that that's a great point and also I like that

we'll talk about how they changed up the ending song but the idea the motif of having these Caribbean songs there are they all are they all Harry Belafonte I think yeah because it's Deo and jump in line yeah and the Juanito sweetheart from Venezuela

is all I think I like that because that also tells you the tone is not trying to get scary like it's funky almost it's like playful more than that exactly the big spider's like oh no scary no it's not it's cute and of course this nice Alec Baldwin who would never, this Alec Baldwin would never call his daughter a pig

picks up his son. You don't know that. This guy never had to have a kid. He didn't have to go through that indignity. Lydia, I can't believe you got an F, a C on that math test. You dirty pig. You dirty pig. We're not going to do the little, the little ghost dance because you're a dirty math failing piggy. Oh, oh no. You didn't want to cut open a frog. A fucking see in my house. A fucking see. I looked it up just to from its four songs sung by Harry Belafonte. Deo man, smart woman smarter. He's

listening to The Attic at some point. Sweetheart from Venezuela and jump in line. Parantheses, shake signora. So those are the four there. All bangers. Nothing but bangers. It's it's a great spice to this movie. It's a weird thing, right?

Because like this movie is so weird and it's so singular and there's so much going on. I feel like in the hands of anyone else, this is a real, like, too many odd spices in the gumbo. Oh, yeah. But, like, for some reason, it all works. Like, the ghost of a football team dancing to calypso music at the end of this, all somehow works totally together. It's like, someone makes you a crazy smoothie drink or something.

You're like, all those ingredients sound terrible. But then you drink it mixed together and it's delicious. That's Beetlejuice to eat. It's a singular movie. And, I mean, I guess it's closest to, I would say, like, to a Wes Anderson movie. where like everything feels like exactly only this movie and can only exist in this kind of a movie

you could swap elements in and out but it's like no it's a WestEnders oh no it's a Tim Burton movie so it kind of makes sense I mean this is when he's again he's starting here but it is sort of like this is what Tim Burton movies are deal with it kind of thing

yeah one of the biggest villains in this film the person who needs to go off a bridge more than anybody is Jane the realtor I knew you would have it out for Jane and I'm

Of course. How could you not? Yeah, just taking photos of your house and sending it to people. They just be like, you know, she sends them to the Dietz's and it's like, oh, Charles Dietz from New York, he wants to buy it sight unseen. And I'm like, stop trying to sell their house, you fucking ghoul. You're the ghoul of the movie, Jane. I would be putting a restraining order against her. Yeah. Get off my property.

I don't care if she is family. Fuck it. Like, honestly, get the fuck off my. Stop telling people that my house. is for sale. She starts that chain reaction, right? Because if she didn't come at that point, would he have gone to the store at that moment? Yeah, right. You're right.

And that dog, that evil dog wouldn't have got to them either. Exactly. At that point, that evil dog would be down the road. Jesus, this is the true frank and weeny, this monster dog. The, the last thing any childless couple needs is to be confronted with their childlessness at 6.45 a.m. You know what I mean? Like, that is just sort of like, it's a decision couples make.

And, like, I'm very proud and happy of my decision. I don't need it at 7 o'clock in the morning from a stranger. You know what I mean? Look at the fuck out of my house. Not only that, but just also being like, your home is too big for you. I'm sorry, but it belongs for a family. That is a conversation we have all over dinner. And, like, you say that you, I say fuck you.

And then we continue on with the meal. And, like, that's the beginning and ending of it. Like, I don't understand why you would like, And I could tell you, she took that fucking kid thing out because it's the only fucking ball she has in her fucking in her pile there. The only thing she can know to throw at her to make her think like, okay, maybe I do am missing something and I shouldn't be here. But like, I, I've hated this woman since the first time I saw this movie.

I have just, like, been like, get this lady out of here immediately. Just let people live where they want to live, you fucking goblin. And she is, of course, fuck you, Jane. she is bothering one of the best to ever do at Gina Davis I fucking love her in this

a couple months ago I got to see we did a Royal Ridd a couple last week her and Delman Louise is an excellent excellent performance like that's something

I gotta go back to it's definitely worth going back to it's one of my favorite Royal Ridd movies actually is the Leman movie The Criterion is really beautiful if you have a chance to pick it up

also one of my favorite performances of all time period is her in the fly. It's an absolute devastating her. Like she's great in that. Destroy you.

Long kiss good night. That's a fun movie. Oh yeah. She's fun in that. Oh, cutthroat island. Who could forget? That's where it kind of gets the Reddy Harlan guy.

The Reddy Harlan years. What is the Earth Girls are easy. She is a movie that should not work. And it barely does. And it does. But yes. Yes. I see what you're saying.

That is kind of a fun movie though. Yeah, it is. She's great. Yeah, she's, she's totally great. She's playing Barbara. So Barbara and Adam, you get, I mean, what's amazing about this? The, the economic screenwriting here, I mean, thanks to that shithead Jane, we do have some characterization about them. They don't have children through one way or another, you know, she mentions, Alex Baldwin mentions in a few minutes from now, like, oh, maybe we should try again during our vacation.

Their vacation, such as it is, is a stay home and, like, gussy up our old farmhouse vacation. which they're psyched for and they're getting each other like vacation presence. And like it is just the like the perfect way to say like these are just some normie ass people with a big ass soon to be haunted house on their hands. You know what I mean?

Like there's you get kind of everything you need about them right away. We should say I mean like they're dead in this movie in under 10 minutes. Yeah. And it's a 93 minute movie or something like that is the way you get shit done. Great timing. Yeah. Well, because these kinds of people, and I think this is something he comes back to a lot, these kind of people have already got it all figured out. Like, they are like there is nowhere else from the go. The only thing that makes them interesting is the fact that they're dead. Now that they're dead, they are interested. Because I guess you're right. Because they kind of, they frame it. It's like, oh, he's got a hobby of making this model town. And she likes to put up wallpaper. Yeah. And like they like crafting. You might as well be dead, right? Do you think if she knew that she was going to wear this outfit for the rest of eternity,

she would have changed it in the morning because I didn't think she is dressed like an ironing board in your grandmother's house. She looks exactly like an ironing board in your grandmother's house. Like I'm looking at her in that dress and I'm like, shit, I got to straighten that suit coat I have. Get over here, Gina Davis. This is why you have to dress well for all occasions. Exactly. Because you are going to die and you're going to have to be wearing your. The closure and now.

Yes, exactly. I mean, he's, Baldwin dies in this like black and white checkered, uh, uh, like button down that he's got out of. It looks like a film noir lumberjack with this fucking thing.

They aren't like aggressively coated as like New England in this. Yes. Yes. And it's what it's winter creek Connecticut. Winter River. Winter River. Yes. Winter River.

Connecticut actually shot in Vermont though, I think mostly. I think, oh, I'd buy that you can smell the fucking syrup coming off the screen. they drive by Peter Straubes the dog who is just the cutest dog in the world but they drive by him first

and like it just sort of sets up this dog is around this covered bridge Tim Burton loves a covered bridge and they drive past it we go to Maitland's hardware that's Alec Baldwin's job as he owns and operates his own hardware store nice oh god I never even put that together

they are the Maitland's and it's Maitland hardware how fucking stupid am I love that that barber is next door and just meandering about like it's like oh yeah and they put that in in 1835 and then he's like leaving the store and he's like yeah and he had hair down to here

and we had to cut it. See you later Bill like old Bill the barber like saw the events of the gangs of New York originally this guy's been around Bill the butcher dude this guy's been around for fucking decades. This is the beginning of the screwball comedy like you know

I mean, like, that's, it's a great screwball joke. He goes in, the guy's talking and, you know, he's just like, uh-huh, Bill. And like, he comes out, the guy's been telling the story the whole time. Let's see you later, Bill. Like, what? Right. It's kind of, it's like you feel the desperation from this guy, Bill, too. Because he's like, oh, hey there, Adam.

Would you like a haircut today? Oh, I haven't cut anyone's hair in weeks. And you always think I'm going to outlive that guy. Yeah. But then you never do, folks. You never, you never actually outlive that. That guy is just going to be left. Yeah, because, like, Dan, he's not even going to have anybody to talk to now.

Adam seems like the only one who at least will be like, oh, that's a person. Where I'm just going to waste away my days now? Give the dog a haircut every once a while against his wishes. I think this guy's turning to becoming like the grandpa in Texas chainsaw massacre now. It's like, I got nobody. I'll start killing. So you make a little family of dead friends in the back of my barbershop that no one goes to anymore. That would be awesome.

There'd be more people for the Maitlands to hang out with. You know? Oh, that's true. Yeah. I similarly don't think this guy can really handle the sledge, though. Yeah, that's true. It's just flopping down. It's not, we're not getting to lift up. He looks like you can barely handle scissors. So I think you're totally right. Also, it's too bad the Maitlands do not have any next of kin because those people would be suing

whoever is letting this dog run around without a leash. Because if this dog were tied up appropriately or with a leash with its owner, it would not be running out of the street. and Gina Davis would not jerk the wheel. Life in the country is just dog owners just letting out 50 dogs out the back door. Go, go, go, go. Run through town. Yes, I mean, it is true.

If you don't have those fucking, like recently we had like a pretty big blackout around here. And all the electric fences went down. Oh, the dinosaurs got out. The dogs were all out in the fucking street. Oh, because it's like those underground like your magnet. electric fences. Your problem, Chris, was using the frog DNA when you made your dog. I shouldn't

have done that. I shouldn't have spliced it. That was my issue. I was imagining a huge thunderstorm and then like this dog paw touches the electric fence and nothing happens. I'm sure that the pause corporation had made that for a big investor meeting.

And then Samuel L. Jackson says hold on to your mutts. That's a good one. You're like, oh, hang on. Excuse me guys. I have to feed the dogs and you go into your backyard and there's a huge crane lifting like a bunch of jerky into a paddock and then you're like and then it comes out and it's all fucked up we're pitching clifford the big red dog dog the movie right yeah that's true because you can do the same thing with the eyeball in the in the jeep you know what I mean the big red dog

oh sure absolutely I mean that dog would be you would shoot at that dog if you saw it in the street right for the big red dog oh absolutely yeah yeah I mean so much people would. I'd kick back and see where this goes. He's probably eating you afterwards. That is the problem right there. Because I don't think you're penetrating through that time. You don't think you're

penetrating the dog? With guys, Eric, I know. You got all titillated. I said penetrated. Wait, um, wasn't actually, there was that Clifford, the big red dog. There was. Nobody saw it. Nobody saw it. That secret movie that didn't exist. But so yes, this dog

caused her to jerk the wheel. They they drive through the covered bridge. and then hilariously the dog is the only thing keeping their car level and then he jumps off. I will tell you who that fucking dog is the owner of that dog is fucking Jane. I guarantee you.

We don't see the fucking house that this lady lives in with her and a little goblin daughter. But like I'm sure this is that fucking this is that dog. I love this trope though of the animal like keeping you afloat like the Pelican and True Lives

was one of them. There's so many of these examples. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um so they're dead or so they learn they go back into their house i love that they're all like wet and gross and they sit down it's like oh who built this fire and then they're like just the weird effect of like gina davis goes to warmer hand and like some of her fingers laid on fire like a candle and it's just it's this weird like i mean i guess going back to the idea of like the artifice of the model is like the first thing we sort of see going into the movie it sets you up to be like this isn't really a grounded reality

because like there's no freak out there it's just like huh my fingers are on fire like birthday candles it's almost like a dream dream like state being dead no it is right I mean that that's what the dreamy lighting that you get in that like the house looks totally different than they come back

like it's just kind of blue green lighting all over the place you know what I mean like everything is kind of unearthly kind of a thing and then Alec Baldwin decides to go out to see he wants to retrace their steps because something seems wrong and this is the first time you go to Saturn for no reason, which is super fun. It's so great. We've got some little effects here of like Alec Baldwin.

This like mostly holds up. It's a little clunky, but it's okay. I was watching on a 4K. So it's very revealing. Right. I think in a one shot, you could sort of see the green outline around them a little bit. But it's still not bad. I'll let it slide. their whole process of realization is pretty cool because it's like mixes of things like holy fuck sandworms on Saturn or whatever is going on but then also like they don't have any reflections

I love the effect shot of Gina Davis with like the little horse and then you don't see your handhold we're vampires oh we're gonna have to be bloody we have to drink blood oh no honey let's do it I don't know Barbara do you do you thirst for human life we are the only real evil left

I mean I don't know I opened the curtains and sun came in and I'm fine so it's not I don't know I mean maybe we're vampires that don't play by all the rules oh hey I'm sparkling look at the only real evil left

has a house on Archer Avenue Royal Tenenbaum was the only true evil left yeah what he's saying Chris I like the red sky in the background I like when they've gone out And, like, yeah, like, this is where we get to introduce.

I like how he keeps on bringing us back to the handbook because the handbook does play such a huge role in the end. Because I was like, I remember early, like, when I was hearing, be like, why do they keep up talking about the fucking book? Like, it is kind of cool. Like, now that I'm old, I kind of like, I kind of wish, like, I'm sure somebody has written it. Oh, right. I would fucking hate it. But I love that it reads like stereo instructions. Yes.

they really hammer home the bureaucracy and the annoyance of being dead. It's almost just as bad as being alive. The joke is if they read the book properly, none of this would have happened. You know what I mean? Like they're kind of lazy dead people in so far as like they're just skimming and they're not getting it. And like if they knew how to be dead, they'd be much better at it. But they just don't. Right.

They should realize there's finally time to read. Yeah. Time is enough at last. Time now. Exactly. I love the gag Handbook for the recently deceased Well let me see here

Published by Handbook for the recently deceased press The best joke is what he goes Handbook for the recently diseased And she goes deceased Which is kind of amazing

It's just a There's a little musical cue on that too Yeah it's a very funny little joke But again just like It's just interesting to me That they're not Being dead to them is kind of just like

like this kind of annoying stubbed toe inconvenience like they're just sort of like oh geez I mean they're not like devastated about it like if I woke you know something happened and then I'm like back in my apartment I'm like how did I get here once I realize like I'm dead there's at least that moment of like oh man I am

fucking dead oh come on and this is why they had to be like the G Willickers type to like sell this as a comedy because if you right start thinking about you know what you're I mean this is a fun movie about death but you don't want your audience to really dwell on death. No. Yeah. You know what I'll be like, oh, no, I'll never see my parents again. Like, oh, they must have been so sad. What was my funeral? No, it's just sort of like, we're dead.

Ha, rumpf. You know what I mean? It's a, it's a comedic situation. It's more interesting to be able to play with this as compared to like the Deits and like the bureaucracy of rich people, which is just, hey, can I buy that? Hey, can I buy that? Versus I'm waiting for 9,000 people before me to get into a limbo to talk to my caseworker. Like, right. Right. Right. There are two kinds of living with. I mean, what I think is good. Like, I like that they set up the fact that you go out, time feeds up. Yeah, that shit's all really cool.

There's all these little notes of things. And, like, they do pay them off later. It is setting up stuff later. But, like, it also just adds all this. You can't keep, like, you can't think of the death stuff so much because it keeps on inventing new little notes for you to pick up on. And, like, did you guys read the fucking thing about how. the original writers wanted to hear like a Barbara

like scream while she was drowning yes yes it was way more intense the original dude draft yeah no way and also yeah I mean the drowning itself that's a horrible way to go I mean like it's a and they're lucky that they don't

I mean like you know you see the guy with the fucking chicken bone in his throat and whatever they're lucky that they had a nice easy drowning I guess yeah they're not water logs in purple or whatever. But that's what's interesting, right?

It's like even, I mean, again, you have you absolutely have to do it this way or else you futs with the, the pH balance of the movie's tone here. But like, even the most violent deaths are funny, arguably one of the most violent deaths, dude who dies smoking in bed is one of the funniest moments where he's just like, you want a cigarette? Yeah, I'm trying to cut back to it. Because it's like, it's this like horribly burned puppet, but he's, smoking he has a pack of cigarettes and then his voice is kind of just like sort of high-pitched

and nerdy like it's amazing that it's like the more brutal your death kind of the funnier you funnier you are like in the uh the beetle juice afterlife or whatever speaking of beetle juice i do love the way that this movie teases out our man beetle guys right here like this first there's a quick thing where it's like beetle juice you don't even you do not see him he's reading a newspaper and it's like oh damn sandworms oh yeah and where him attack up 13% better get a job, babe. And him like looking in the obits as like the employment section is really funny. Yes.

But you're not like just right away introduced to him. In fact, even the first time when we see him on the TV ad where he's doing the fake like cowboy thing. Oh yeah. He's got the cowboy hat on. He's got a big fake mustache. He's got the sunglasses. Like you can't see any of it until like the biggest reveal of him like flying out into or from the grave or whatever. Yes. I mean, I like the, I like him looking up at the bituaries. I like the fucking, when we get back to Lydia, the, all the little like asides in this are all really funny. Like, like her being like, there wouldn't be dust in heaven. Like, yes. Stuff like that just sends me. To this day, I still am just laughing at stuff like that. Yeah, because they don't know, they're, they're unclear how long they're going to be dead. What's going on here? We do see Jane come in. Uh, that's, uh, that's, uh, that's,

son of a bitch, Jane, uh, in a funeral outfit. So clearly she had been to their funeral puts a sold sign on the house. Cause she was doing business that morning. Oh. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Oh, what happened? Oh my God. Hello, Charles Dietz. Great news. Those pesky maitlands ate shit. You can buy the house now. Um, yeah, she's, I just, I love that detail too, right? Like, she's in the funeral attire. And then the camera just kind of pans like for sale, sold. by Jane Piece of Shit Realty or whatever

That's her last name Yeah Jane Piece of She Realty But that's like a real thing Like that also does call I mean like of the things That are interesting about like The connection of death

And like real estate And like how a big a boom it was At the time it still is But like at the time it was everything You couldn't fucking read About anything but this shit I like that The idea is that

You die and immediately like the everything about your personality everything you built up is gone like is now a property of somebody else like immediately like so I don't even like it's funny that they don't even show the funeral you would think that be a cinematic thing but and if you don't have your shit in order the next person who comes through does not value the stuff that you valued and is going to throw your whole life in the garbage definitely and you can't dwell on it that's why you don't have the funeral scene because we're trying to make this light as possible exactly right now now all of a sudden the pedophiles moving into your houses you

got nothing to do. You can't do nothing. You can't even haunt him properly. But yeah, speaking of pedophiles, the Dietz's are moving. It's move in day. We have Delia, the amazing Catherine O'Hara, who's married to Charles, which is the repugnant Jeffrey Jones.

Who's so good at this movie. Sorry. No, you're right. I mean, he's dastardly and vile, but he was good in this movie and others. Yeah, he was good. Plenty of movies, yeah. And he's an interesting, character because he's

a nerd but like clearly like something like he's he's burnt you know your classic city burnout like he can't live in the city anymore he needs peace and quiet and country home and blah blah blah blah and like I like how benign like he's not one of the like he's a villain

in this movie in so far as like what they're doing to their house but like he's on the benign side of it he's just sort of like all he wants to he actually wants to leave their home alone actually yeah yeah which is which is great. It is, but you also see, I mean, as soon as

the, I love the bird watching scene. I think you get almost everything about the character in the bird watching scene where like he's, he wants to be in this state and like he looks out and like life out here is grosser than you think, meaning a like starved bird gnawing

at the entrails of another bird. Yeah, that's pretty great. And as soon as he sees it, he switches his sight to real estate speculation. Exactly. To literally going back to what he was doing, like a form of what he was doing. There's a great gag where he's reading,

it's like practical homeowner magazine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like he starts reading it from the back of the magazine. Like, just in this weird, it always gives me this sense of like he's just like play acting. Like, this is what people relaxing in the country do. Ah, reading this magazine. It doesn't matter what page I start on because I'm just,

leafing through a magazine or whatever. He's a phony as well, but slightly more sincere one than the great Catherine O'Hara with this gaudy artist character. Oh my God. These truly horrible sculptures. I absolutely

love the guy who's the one mover character who she's like, oh, careful with my sculpture, whatever. And this dude looks at this thing and just throws it on this coffee table. And there's this great shot of it like just clanking on the table and she's like putting it right side up like the way it's supposed to be but

it doesn't matter because it's terrible oh it's so funny uh yeah and we also get uh winona her there's only like her second or third thing she'd ever did before heather's which i would have gotten backwards um uh but she's yeah and she's just this like you're prototypical and like perfect goth girl acting of just like oh yeah she's so uh like melodramatic at every turn I love the suicide note which we'll get to is so fucking funny even though like it's it's not funny but it is funny You know what I'm having fun with like that goth trope

And she plays and plays it very well It's uh it's kind of I mean Just bare I mean this was a there was a big year for Heather's was the same year as this movie Oh was it okay yeah they're but they're both 88 And in between uh she had some movie called 1969 oh okay written and directed by Ernest Thompson.

Wow, look at this fucking cast. R.D.J. Kiefer, Bruce Dern. Our love for this month, Joanna Cassidy, and Winona Ryder. Wow, I've never heard of this movie. Well, we'll have to watch it and see how great the 60s were. Finally. It looks to be some sort of anti-Vietnam motion picture. That's pretty cool.

I'm also against that. Sure. a good thing to be against. I'm going to take a side now. Okay. I think that's smart. Yeah, she's taking a bunch of pictures and she sees

the enormous spider and she says like, I think I could live here, which is kind of funny. We have the great Glenn Shaddix. As Othor, doing this great entrance of like he's falling through the window and Jeffrey Jones is being, Oh, Otho, why don't you just use the front door?

And he's like, well, everybody knows that that's bad look. And you're like, is it Otho? Oh, my God. And Catherine O'Hara's like, Otham, I'm so happy you left the city for me. Of course you are. Yes. I love Otho as a character is great. Because, you know, a lot of movies, you give the heavier set guy is a punching bag for jokes. But this is like an alpha dude version of that.

The jokes play differently. Yeah, I mean, it's a guy who not only like thinks he's above of everybody. He firmly believes it, like believes it to be true that he's better than all these people. Like, you should be, oh, so happy to be in the presence of me, Otho. And all the, like,

details that, like, they drop throughout this movie, just little breadcrumbs about, like, Otho's life before this movie and all the things that he's dabbled in and whatever. The living theater? Living theater. A paranormal researcher

in New York City until the bottom fell out in 72. What does that mean? The ghost stopped. I mean, I guess maybe it would be funny with the bottom dropped out in 84 once the ghost busters showed up.

That was the end of it. There you go. Absolutely, dude. Once those pesky ghost busters started hitting the town and staying up all night dancing with models, then the bottom fell out. They just stopped up all the business

so you couldn't get any work doing any of the research. It was all their stuff. Had my friend from the EPA shut down their containment. you. Essentially, Barbara, once the marshmallow

man stepped through St. Patrick's Cathedral, it was all over for me and goes, I was packing up the office that very night. I love them walking around the house with cans of spray paint and they're just spray painting the names of colors

they want to paint the walls. And she spray paints like mauve all over the wall and is like, oh my God, you red, my mind. And this room, Veridian, blue-green. You know I was a chemist

briefly. Oh, right. Yeah. Hair chemist or something. Yeah. And I do think it's also, he's also the interior decorator and he's clearly, like,

I mean, Glenn Shaddix was gay. He's coded as like sort of more than likely a gay character. But like, yeah, that's not the joke ever. No. The best one is when he's like, well, I myself am interested in the paranormal.

And that woman that's giving him shit is like, Is that what they're calling your kind these days? Dude, yeah, that is, I only caught that this time around, and I was like, what did you just say to him, David Burns' real life ex-wife? I don't know if I would have, I can't imagine when I would get the chance to do this, but I really want, I want to be able to tell somebody, oh, never mind her. Her sister got a house dropped on her. Oh, man, yeah, that is pretty fucking great.

O'Hara's nervous laughter at that thinking that like the rest of their room would erupt and they don't. It's so good. But yes. But like yeah, he's the, they're going through all their crap.

Ozzie and Harriet. We're having fun there. Right. The wedding clothes tosses that. She makes some kind of like, Ick kind of noise. So funny. I do love when she like shrieks

because basically what do you call it there? Jeffrey Jones wants to keep the study the same. And she just gives him this. And it's a class. Cassick Catherine O'Hara fucking bringing it monologue about like, if you don't let me do this, I will go insane. And like the levels she gets of manic insanity in that monologue are just priceless. The take you with me will be imprinted. It will be one of the last things I think about before I die.

Like I will just be there. I will just pop in there. I do love the great moment here. So this is like Adam and Barbara like, all right, let's try to scare him out of the house. like that's what we're going to do. And so when they're going around looking through the rooms and what they're going to paint or whatever, this is a really great moment of you open the door

and there's Gina Davis pretending to be hanged in the closet and she rips her face off. And Catherine O'Harris screams, but it's because like it's just this gross closet, which is kind of awesome. Yes, yes. The constant shitting on the house is great. Like walking through the bathroom.

Oh, look, an indoor outhouse. Deliver me from LLB. And what's so great about Burton here is The horror is actually pretty fucking freaky These effects belong in like the people under the stairs Or like seriously what you recall it? The dude coming up in a little bit The guy who was the road

Roadkill guy. Oh, roadkill guy, yeah That's flattened out and like as a pancake And he's like, I feel a little flat That dude belongs in society Like that that effect is as gross as anything Brian used never did But it is just on the kooky side because of the script and the way it's filmed.

Well, exactly. Like, the way that this whole thing is lit, the color palette, like, it's not uki, you know? And then the amazing Elfman's score is so not a horror movie score that there's none of the other things that you need in a scary moment to have that shit happen. You know what I mean? So, like, it's this really interesting thing when you're watching this movie. And you are seeing all this horrific stuff. off. Yeah. And just none of it matters. Like, you know, the, uh, their, um, uh, a little assistant lady there, Juno. Yeah. She has, she's an old woman who was murdered by having her throat cut. And you can

see the cut throat and everything like that. And it's just funny when smoke is billowing out of her throat. You're not at all like, ooh, scary. You know what I mean? I mean, it just, and it fits Tim Burton so perfectly. I mean, that's your, uh, what do you call it there? Um, for Christmas the same thing where it's like spooky but funny and kids can still enjoy it kind of a thing

you know what I mean it comes right at a time when like also people are starting to like the church is losing people

like they're starting to really bleed out we're open to a vision of fucking the afterlife that isn't ruled by like

good and evil but like you can't escape who you are even when you die like you're still this personality is still with you

and you have to either decide to grow out or be exercised or like do nothing and just live in this house. Yeah and it is kind of interesting right like Gina Davis makes one it's the only time in the movie I believe

the only reference she's like well this isn't heaven and this isn't hell like what's going on and then like that's it. Any notion of like a Judeo Christian whatever does not exist in this movie it's paperwork it's waiting online it's having a case worker

you know being dead sucks just as much as being alive exactly but actually I was thinking about it because like you know there's so much horror in Tim Burton but it never actually really made a horror movie the closest I think is probably Sleepy Hollow? Yeah because you've got like real gore in that movie

and there's like real kills real intentionally frightening sequences. Yes exactly I think that might be it. I don't know like you know like Sweetie Todd's almost yeah that's yeah that's kind of it yeah you're right. You can't be scared by that movie

because you're falling asleep through the whole fucking thing. So I am not. You can't because I'm singing. That's right. I am now singing. It has good. It has good blood and gory, I guess. But yeah, to your point, it's not really a horror movie.

Yeah. It's pretty gushy. I remember it being pretty, it goes there. I mean, that's, to me, that is the last good one for me. Oh, yes. That's the last one where I was like, oh, I'm enjoying this. The singing is whatever. but most of everything else

I'm pretty great with I mean to Burton's credit like yeah he could probably do a horror movie and a lot of guys that trade in his kind of visual aesthetics in a way do that but the fact that he just applies it to like you know superhero movies you're like kind of thrilling type of things

it's cool right well that's I mean that's I think that's what this movie's about is that he doesn't want that stuff really like maybe that was just something like by 99 he had had like the fucking miracle run he had been doing it for so long. And then 99 C.P. Hall comes by and he's like,

why not do a little fucking gothic horror? Why not have a little fun here? I'll go hammer with it for a little bit. Yeah, why not? I would push back actually, Chris. You said that Sweeney Todd's the last good one. I mean, maybe for you, because I don't think it's a good one.

But I think that that Dark Shadows movie is pretty right on. I remember liking it. I like Dark Shadows and the Frank and Weenie remake enough. But like Sweeney Todd was the last one. I was like, oh, you should see the Tim Burton movie. like I wasn't doing that for Dark Shadows. Uh-huh. Oh, I was doing that for dark. Because I was like, he's doing it again. I hated that fucking

Sweetie Todd, but he's doing it again. Look. It's a movie that he was like born to make. And that Wednesday thing, I'm sure, I know you kids love it. And it's like, oh, Tim Burton's directing it. And you look at it's like, this is just a CW show. Like it just, it's directed like, no. It's not directed. It's not directed. It's not directed very interestingly.

Like, there's nothing like, oh shit, Tim Burton directed that. I've been saving that. And that goes on and on forever that maybe when I'm a ghost I can get to him. He is specifically one of those people that I think the digital taking over really robbed him of what was his gift. Like the things that he like roping in these

production design and like making it look like a world like that with shadows and actual things that you're like I always harp on it, real stuff, real light. Like those, that was his thing. Once he got digital it really started melting away really quick. Yeah. I can't say

anything on the Wednesday? I mean, I do still want to see it because I like Jenna Ortega and I like the Adams family more or less. Although I refuse to watch those animated movies. He only directed the first four of them. Okay. If that's worth anything. I will say, but Chris,

or Eric, actually, you just brought up an interesting point. Like, that would be like if they had a TV, if the Maitland's had a TV and a net, like, all right, I guess all right, Barbara, I guess we could finally watch Wednesday. Now, what else are we going to do? We'll fight. All right. There's no getting out of it this time, Barbara.

We've got eternity. We're going to watch Wednesday. But the problem is your Netflix password might expire. You really have to piggyback. You should get Jane's Loggins. You're blowing my mind. Dude, that's how they get. So that's how you get the numbers from Red Notice and the Grey Man being like the movie that everybody's everybody who's dead has a Netflix account. And they can all fucking watch this shit.

You're totally right, Chris. Barbara Ryan Gosling's in it We like Ryan Gosling, don't we? And Captain America I mean, he does other stuff that was good But Captain America, come on Come on, Barbara, we have to help These Netflix numbers

It can't possibly just be all those Stream farms in China or whatever Get streaming, Barbara We're just here to stream some ghosts Gouley So they have their first little dinner in the house and this Catherine O'Hara line I think

sums up this character beautifully are we really eating Cantonese? Is there no Cessuan up here? Oh my God. That line is great and I will give it a it's a pair it's one of a pair which is

when Marissa Tomew walks out in Alabama in the beginning of my cousin Vinnie and she's got the camera and she goes well I bet the Chinese food here is terrible an incredible fucking line and it's true she's totally right

oh my god how much battered are you putting on that chicken before you fry it it's like cake with chicken in the middle oh shit now you're gonna make me make me order Chinese food right now which will be terrible but it would be good at the same time

so the big move in day where it's like we're both moving things in and out of this house at the same time seems like a mistake but whatever this is where Lydia first she's going around taking pictures of all the movers and yada yada she spots the maitlands up in the attic window I think this is

probably maybe it's like because I watched four psycho movies in the span of five days last week or whatever but like the image of like people up in a window where there should not be people is one of the freakiest things to me so to me this is kind of like

the A number one freaky a shot in the movie. Is that just Michael Jordan up there? Exactly, dude. But yeah, all these movers driving Jeffrey Jones and Catherine O'Hara crazy is all really, really funny. And then the Maitlands, like, see that Lydia saw them. And it's like, that little girl down there saw us. Let's go get her before it's too late. That little piggy down there saw us. Hey, little piggy. Did you see us? The little pig shutterbug just spied us.

wave, yes, wave at the piggy Barbara, wave at the piggy. Barbara, turn off red notice. I know we love it so much but if you look at the window there's a little girl out there. Oh, wait, Barbara, quick pause.

It's going to auto play on the next episode of Wednesday. Look, there's a pig out here. No, no, no. I don't think we should watch the Spike Lee one. Let's just watch the gray man again. Let's go dubs.

Good news, Lydia. We decided to let your family stay here and watch Red Notice with us. Nah! the fucking Jane the Realtors shows up again and gives her oh man I love a good skeleton key thing in a movie she's like now this is the skeleton key to the whole big house young lady give this to your father well yeah we should say the maintenance have locked themselves in the attic because it's the only place that they can control us their own right um I think around here you know she she gets she tries to get in there they're holding her back and this is what Alec Baldwin says They're like, you know, all these people are ruining our house because now we're also, we've got the revamp cruiser in and like we're, we have the great, it's a great foreshadowing

of what happens to the end of the movie. Catherine O'Hara gets like slammed by our own sculpture against a wall. Right. Yes. My art is dangerous. It breaking through the window while Jeffrey Jones is making coffee is also wonderful. Yes. Is that what's happening at your house right now, Eric? Is that how this is? Yes. I'm just, I'm picturing Eric putting like little tea kettle on the faucet filling up with water just like

can I ask you Eric is are there people like with this are there people out on your lawn gawking at all the shit you're doing oh yeah dude I'll share I'll share it with you later but the Google image of my house is so fucking funny

it looked like oh it looked like fucking shit it looks like tourists are stopping at the Dietz's house just to look at this dude this is small town living, Chris Cabin. You see this, this, you know, winter river town

here, okay, and like these city freaks moving into the dead people's house, that's the social event of the year as far as these people are concerned. The drowned people's house, man. I guarantee you people, that's what's funny is people, what if they had

to, oh, oh shit, Barbara, we have to, I guess we have to, we have to halt the lake. We're lake ghosts now, Barbara. That would be awesome. get a boat going. Dude, fucking with fishermen, that is what I want. You know?

Early morning. Just breaking their line every time you get, just like wrapping around your hand and just rip it. Oh, no, it's the Maitlands again.

Just let me catch a darn fish. He looks like a war detective and she looks like my grandmother's Aided board. You boring ass ghosts, get out of here. All I want to do is craft. I want to model.

I want to sell people hammers for crying out loud. You know, I bet you've got a pretty good body underneath that. Whatever. Stupid iron and board ghost. Good point, Steve. I bet everyone would want to get under her sheets. Well, that's what I was wondering is can you get, can you get, I know you can't change your dresses or anything like that, but can you get undress when you're a ghost?

Well, I mean, I would say possibly because there is the fucking ridiculous shot of when they're, this is a little jumping ahead a little bit, but when they're having that conversation, he's like, let me talk to my wife in private Beetlejuice. And like they turn around. Beetlejuice definitely like takes a stick and lifts her skirt up. Oh, right. Okay. There's still like panties.

Something's happening. Yeah. Yeah. But are they night of the living dead under there is the question. Right. All blood and pus. Because Beetlejuice would be into that big time. I mean, Chris, you got a great point about the nudity situation.

And I always thought, I think I've floated this before in the show that if you die naked, like don't sleep naked. because then you're getting the full sheet I think sure because that's when like the gods and stuff are just like dude you gotta do some a sheet

yeah that's like I mean the one guy in Night of the Living Dead there's like the naked zombie you just see some dudes fat Western PA ass in that movie

just like well I'm a zombie and I'm naked the beautiful ass it's wonderful are they able to fuck I guess we're also kind of circling around as a merry couple here

you must be it would be Beetlejuice is fucking. I mean, Beetlejuice does want to fuck, yeah. But he says it's been 600 years. That's true. But who wants to fuck Beetlejuice?

If you're like Gina Davis and now Alec Baldwin, you're going to get fucking, you know, you're going to get down to fucking. Right. Now, but now, could it produce a ghost child of some kind? Probably not, right? No, that I think is,

you need to steal a human child through your inhabitants for some reason. Right. But they do it. Yeah, what they do with Lydia, mesmerize a young child and bring it under your tutelage. Or just two people that are way better parents to her than the actual parents. We should say, though, Catherine O'Hara, so, so stepmom.

Ooh, I could watch that. Uh-oh. So they're freaked out. They see the Beetlejuice cartoon or the commercial rather. And it's like, you know, it is, it is cool that you see him, but it's not really in close-up. and he's in a disguise and it's like at the end of the rope once again what are we going to do let's consult the guide

oh in case of emergency draw a door I love the way Alec Baldwin just kind of like drags that line out just like draw a door apparently he's not happy with his performance in this movie which is interesting well because he was talking about

I mean I get it I get it he's not a piece of shit like yeah exactly he doesn't have that energy and married with married to the mob and working girls like where he is a sleaze fucking bag. Or like, I mean, even, I mean, the king of it all, Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, my God. Oh, yeah.

Tim cut my scene where I called the little girl a pig. You're going to have brass balls to haunt a house. Always be ghosting. It turns out he's kind of right because there's soft shoe haunting routines. Do not work on these people. Yeah. And then it keeps the movie cutesy and fun,

the whole sheets thing. Lydia's taking polarides of it. Yeah, so they draw a door. They finally get to the other side, which is this hilarious waiting room, civil servants in the afterlife. You get this woman who explains, like, A, they should have read their book, B, they don't have an appointment. And they have, they have to haunt this house for 125 years.

They only have three to four credits, help credits in that timelines. You don't want to waste them all now kind of a thing. Dude, this is some real, like, who wants to be a millionaire shit with these lifelines and whatnot. I love yeah, the woman who's the receptionist is like Miss Argentina who's like cut her wrists to suicide which is pretty crazy. Good suicide joke here. If I had known what I

know now, I wouldn't have had my little accident. She shows the wrists. The waiting room erupts and laughter because they're also dead people from mishaps. But it's great because she's like, because I think this is what happens when you're dead. No, this is what happens when you're dead. This is what happens when he's dead. This is what happens when he's dead. And that's what she's dead. And that's

but she says if I knew what I know now. There is a great callback to this later in the movie at dinner with Otho and I think Robert Goulet or whatever. And, oh, you know, if you commit suicide in the afterlife, you become a civil servant or whatever. Oh, you're right. And Otho's right. Othos right. Before the bottom fell out in 72, he knew some shit.

He was asking some questions. Well, I'll help you, Cojack. Sure. There's a Wolfman loose. Let's go find him. Wow. What's that cojack? You're looking for Jack the Ripper.

Well, let's go rip some clues together. There's a pig Ray Stans. That big. Hello, Ray. Yeah, they got this contentious relationship. Oh, you're going to open a bookstore. Isn't that cute? Well, we're going to be real researchers and go out to the field, you fucking pig.

No, no, no. Don't talk to him, Kojak. He's trying to put us out of business. A ray's occult books. Yeah, did you notice they started adding astrology? I don't think it's going very well. Occult books. I don't know a cult that would have him.

That's the thing. I know they're doing a sequel to this movie. I don't know what the fuck it's going to be like. I don't know if it's going to work at all. Probably not. But man, Otho, that's a character. It's too bad Glenn Shadix. He's departed, but... I know.

And you know what? Please, Tim Burton, don't take a note from a dude I know you don't give a shit about Jason Reitman. and fucking put a ghost Glenn Shadix in this he's helping to hold the handbook in the fucking end of the movie

dude he can't he can't even talk and it's just like my they'd make them like make some ghost noise I haven't bothered watching the trailer to the Ghostbusters Frozen Empire great fucking title by the way oh brilliant title is this a Jurassic Park movie what is that title I have no idea

but I have not watched it yet I didn't watch it either Are we bringing H. Ramis' ghost back for that one? You know they are. This is the thing. So the Frozen Empire thing is like essentially ice takes all over Manhattan. Like the whole Manhattan becomes. And if you'll remember at the end of that stupid fucking move,

the last one, the afterlife one, Harold Ramis looks kind of frozen when he is as the ghost. So I think it is, I think you're going to explain the Ramos thing. there's going to be more Ramos shit. I will probably lose my mind. Egon turns to the camera and his mouth opens like a talking cat. I froze to death in the Manhattan Ice Age. And Eric Roberts as the voice of Egan Spengler.

I would love that. Please. I mean, just let that man be dead. It's a great idea to let that man be dead. He's not even, you know what, dude, you want to bring your own father back for your own movie. That's fine. Sure. Bring it back to the directing chair.

God. Like, heaven for heaven forbid someone was cool to you as a kid. Well, I used to like Harold Ramas. I'll just bring him back. Oh, yeah. I mean, I really, if they do that to Glenn Shattacks, I will, if you have to do,

if you have to recast an Otho, just make it, get, give Paul Walter Houser some money and have it be the son of Otho. Oh my God. Yeah, botho. Absolutely. Let's do that. He just finds in his both, though.

Oh, maybe he's like, I didn't want to take up my dad's profession. so I'm Botho the birthday clown or something like that. And then he's killing kids and burying them under the basement. There you go. I will say the one advantage

that the Beetleju's world has to maybe combating that idea of like a ghost Otho is like as we see from this movie, ghosts don't appear like that in this world. They just look like people. And they're contained to one area, right?

They're very much contained to one area, absolutely. but I mean I can see something like oh let's go to Otho's apartment for whatever reason but like you can't have that because in the world of this movie ghosts are just people walking and talking they're not cartoonish in any way they don't have a glow about them that's that to me is really where we're probably going to have an issue with this new beetle juice is because it's not like unless a spurt and stipulates he's like it's got to be physical it's got to be like it's got to be makeup

No CGI digital shit. And that's not happening. You think it's going to be a glow up? It is. It's going to be CGI creatures and shit. Well, he's not going to be. Because he's, yeah,

he's not above. He loves this point. Yeah, yeah. Dumbo is mostly CGI. Them Alice in Wonderland movies are all CGI for the most part. I love, so like they're looking for the caseworker.

They come across the, the, the exercised ghosts who are like these, the dead of the dead. That's death for the dead. and, you know, really cool kind of setting up that there are stakes in this world. Bad things can happen to dead people.

It's true. Right. And we walk into what, and I just, I love this reveal of the new Maitland home is just like, Barbara, I think we're home. And it's just really,

I don't know, it's kind of creepy. It is creepy because it's this yuppified like 19th, late 80s, like art scene where it's like, you're even making like the, you're painting like the doors like this like, almost stone-esque look when they're not that. It's just

it's so tacky and ridiculous and over the top and that's the point that's part of the joke. Yeah. I mean I also like that like it's it again goes back to the idea of like your how like their whole life is their house like the stay at home thing and all that.

And once that takes over by somebody else it can be completely changed and like everything that was you is no longer right. I read it one of the alternate endings was apparently they end up living in their models like small and they have the whole house there the way they wanted it. That's also

kind of a cool idea. That's interesting enough. I do love not to backtrack too far, but just before they walk through the door back into the new house, the hallway that they go down so 100% German expressionism. I love all these fucked up angles. Yeah. You know, it looks like

when Springfield rebuilds the Flanders house like, come on in. This is your master bedroom. All that shit. Like the hallway to nowhere. kind of stuff. It all looks really cool. But yeah, this is another way that we learn because we have the first hint when Alec Baldwin leaves the house when he says he's going to go check out, you know, the bridge or whatever. And she's like, oh, you think you were gone for a few minutes. You were actually gone for hours. This is, after all their time in the office, they come back

through the house. They meet Juno here in the house. And she tells them they've been gone for three months. And that's, it's such a cool way to push forward the story, push forward the set. Like, we don't have to see the remodeling or the reno and whatever. It just is because the time passed. Very cool. And she is, I mean, short of Michael Keaton himself, with the amount of screen time she has, she fucking rules this movie. Definitely. I love her so much. My favorite, a line that always cracks me up is when the what the, what do you call it, the football players are bothering her.

It's like, bathroom. Are you kidding me? Her like just absolute frustration with all of her clientele is just really funny. The fuck. Sylvia Sidney, of course, is the actress's name. Thank God you did die in Italy.

All right. She also maps out like, you don't have to, don't call on Beetlejuice. Don't say his name. Beetlejuice used to be her assistant, which is pretty great. Like, oh yeah, he used to work for me. He was too much of a troublemaker.

Do not call on this guy. She's like, if you want to remove the Dietz's, you got to do it yourselves. And they're like, but how? And she just vanishes. And then is like this great reminder that like, oh, there is this guy, Beetlejuice who's like,

you've seen him in the trailer. He's on the poster and everything, but you have not really seen him in this movie yet. Here's just like a tease of him is like you get this POV in the attic. And like when the camera starts moving, you realize, oh, it's like P.O.V. The fly lands on the model. And then it's like you just see Beetlejuice's hands like coaxing the fly, which he then just eats this gigando size to him fly.

And that's all you're getting a beetle juice for a little while longer. But it's very cartoony, like holding up a giant Zagnut bar. This is like funny level stuff. It's great. Top tier product placement in this, but I just love it. This Zagnut looks perfect. Can you buy a Zagnut bar in 20203, by the way?

I think that it's coming in a variety pack. Or if you like go to a special, like a store that's just candy, like a dedicated candy store, like a Dillon's type situation. I bet you could buy one. It does look like you could buy it, but to Steve's point, it looks like an 18 count box.

Ooh, that's a lot of Zat. I don't think I've ever had one honestly crunchy peanut butter toasted coconut this sounds pretty good pretty good yeah not too shabby I'm always I've always been a fan of like the unpopular candy bars and that's one that you just you really don't see anymore also the thing that's cool

about him eating the fly and all these other little moments where he's like peppered a little bit before you officially meet him it totally wipes out that feeling of when are they getting to the fireworks factory yes because the movie keeps reminding you like yeah he's here don't worry about it. We did not forget about Beetlejuice. He's in this movie. We'll get there. Here's like a little little taste. Here's a little bite of the Zagnet bar before we

actually debut Beetlejuice. Around here is where we meet Robert Goulet as Maxi. Which I guess is like Charles Diet's old boss or still current boss. Maybe something real estate developer tycoon billionaire. It's like this New York yuppie scene. Like Catherine O'Hara one point says Like Lydia you're the only person eating dinner here tonight That wasn't in Vanity Fair

Yeah Oh right yeah yeah yeah So just the big social scene of New York Great like Matt painting of the Chrysler building In the background of him Oh yeah Maxie's got a fucking cool off as it looks like And his whole thing is like Oh Charles wants Max to come up

To Connecticut to see that town Because his whole thing Not only does he want to like Turn this house into something his whole notion of like, I just want to buy this whole small town in Connecticut and turn it into a gigando tourist compound of some kind.

Yes. Is so great. Just expansion. Just constant expansion. Never stopping. Which also is that that's exactly against his initial idea, right? It's like, I just want a piece of quiet, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, there's money to be had.

Exactly. Yeah, they're scum. They're yuppie scum, we could say. Well, I mean, I think it's also. Because Delia is continuing her stuff and hasn't changed at all from the city. So he thinks they're going to change together, right? He gets there and he's like, come on, we did this as a unit. And the fact that she doesn't, like, it makes him be like, I'm going to go back to a version of what I was doing,

which is just rapaciously eating up real estate everywhere I go because I have millions of dollars in my large ass. This is when the Maitland's too scare them are doing a classic routine, which is the sheets over the body. a number one ghost material dude think of them as death shrouds Alex Baldwin's own assessment of his performance be damned him saying

where ghosts cracks me up every time it's so funny it's just he's a lame guy and he's a lame fucking ghost like that's what it is yeah they're moaning and Lydia's like banging on the wall

stop fucking yes that's really great like oh here they're up to it again I've heard It's definitely, I've heard this before, which is pretty great. And I love this little detail of Delia. As Lydia tells the Maitland's, right, she's gone to bed with Prince Valium for the evening.

But she's passed out watching pro wrestling, which is just, it's another one of those, like, really weird elements. But it's like, why not? Like, just add another ridiculous thing to this, and it still works. To be fair, I do she could have fallen asleep with silk stockings and then they replayed Monday Night Raw after. Oh, that's actually true. You know, you were doing it. You know it's up then.

That's true. So Lydia sort of bumps into them in the hallway here. And she, this is a weird, she thinks that her father and stepmother are doing ghost sex role playing. Uh-huh. The move for this kid is to just start snapping as many photos as possible. Oh, yeah. To do what with?

I don't know exactly. If I lived in a house with those pieces of art, I would also be assuming this. Then I will. I was like, oh, this is a sex thing. Great. These photos, I mean, they look cool because you see the no legs. But then they kind of become a mcuffin a little bit because Juno's like,

hey, don't forget about those photos. You got to get back. The movie never gives a shit enough really to focus on that. But that is a little plot point. Right. You lost the photos. You lost the guidebook because Otho got that.

Like the whole notion. of like you can't like the living cannot have confirmation about what is on the other side so you have to go do those things yeah there's never really any kind of like mission about that or closure in any way you're totally right but you also know like that there's like clearly like they don't put any urgency on that like that's what i would be definitely worried about in a sequel is that that would become the thing like that it has to be a a surge for the movie the narrative narrative has to go around that, like, we can't find, it has to be a men and black thing. Clearly, they have, they have fucked it up before. Like, clearly there's been

little signs of the afterlife in some way, but like, they don't really care that much, but they don't want it out there. Like, it's a very specific tone to hit. But what you're saying there is interesting, though, because like the movie, of course, doesn't really have a clock on it in any real way, which is nice. It's not like, you got to get those photos back in your possession before the week is up, or else you'll dissolve into the ether or something. I mean, it is loose, right? Because it's like, these people are dead and they want these people out of their house.

They're going to be around as ghosts for 125 years. That's a slow clock. That's not exactly super urgent. They add a clock. The only clock they give is the when Otho does the exorcism and like they immediately kill the clock. Like literally, immediately kill it.

I do like this detail about, they're talking about the photos or whatever and Adam is like, oh well yeah it's just like that time i had that photo of bigfoot or or no it's it's barbara says something about this is just like your ridiculous photo of bigfoot or whatever and he goes bigfoot is a completely different story which is because that's like i hear him i hear i hear alec Baldwin say that and i'm like here's the thing this is we're talking about bigfoot

it's a completely different story tom six do you tom you're a genius what are you you think about Beatles? You think I was okay in that? Oh, it's the most perfect performance outside of what was it? Miami Heat. No, Miami Blues. That is the movie that was fabulous. I should have ever seen Miami Blues. Fun movie. Yeah. It's another him playing a scumbag. It's quite that. So here we go. The first time, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. They say it, the Maitland's go into the model.

I love this whole thing of like, we got to dig him out of this grave. And it's great that the movie, keeps the world of the model. It's just you're on this model and it's not like all of a sudden you're in this real world because when they're digging shit up, it's like cork board and egg crate foam and all the stuff that he uses to make the model. It's very, because these things, some of them are like larger than life or whatever. It gives this like kind of honey I shrunk the kids vibe. It's like, you know, human size people just around all this like gigundo cork board and whatever. it's pretty cool. Here comes

Beetlejuice. Really like he knows the movie. I love the flying and his arms and legs are dancing. He's just so thrilled to be here. And he's like kind of dressed like a cabby. Oh, Michael Keating's so goddamn good in this movie. He really is.

That is my God. Like the best thing about this character is that you don't really know anything about like this is when he does the great like do you have any credentials and he's like, well, I went to Juilliard, went to business school, I travel extensively and like, this is the whole thing

and it gets getting fun of here every time I see it. Oh, yeah, the exorcists I've seen in 166. His whole delivery in that is just amazing. But the key to it is that we don't know much about him. And like he's just this malevolent

force, this humongous like menace that is just bearing down on everyone. And I'm going to bring it up. Maybe this is last time. If the sequel gets into his origin story, I'm out. Yes. I'm out.

Apparently, there was some draft, I don't know which one, had that origin story kind of mentioned of how he like, I think it was like he asked someone to get married and then they said no, so he hung himself, but it was slow and he died for a long time.

And it's just not that, it's, for this, it's not interesting. No. He's on a level of horty ghost that's also like a schemer and a huckster. prankster, yeah. That is fun. You don't want to be bogged down in that backstory. Well, look, just as this ballad of songbirds and snakes movie or whatever decides to presuppose what if the nefarious present Coriolanus Snow wasn't always evil. Beetlejuice too could also put out there. What if Beetlejuice himself wasn't

always a Randy pervert and the adventure along the way is to find out how he became a Randy pervert, you see. That is. It's true. Beetlejuice is just like Cornhole Snow. Oh my God. That's the problem like you're saying with the Hunger Games

rehabilitating President Snow. This new Wonka movie rehabilitating the dastard Willie Wonka who's murderous chocolatier. Absolutely. He's killing all those. I don't like it. Yes, it's good. But I mean, there's so much here.

We can't go through it all. I mean, it's just, this is a, if ever you needed to showcase for the brilliance of Michael Keaton, you just need to show various clips of this performance because it's so many different modes. It's the physicality. It's the voices. I mean, Chris, you already mentioned it, but when he drops the blah, blah, blah, blah, this I'm talking like beetle juice to do the whole study to Juilliard. Like, he goes into those vocal modes. Like, this is a capital P performance. It is. Nice fucking model.

This is when I think Alec Baldwin is at his best. I love because he is he does like the nerd nerdiest thing which is we are leaving which is just like this like classic nerd guy getting too much arrest at the car wash and it's just like you know what sir? We're leaving

you know what I mean? We're leaving now I do love it. It's the guy who leaves the comedy club after he starts getting ribbed during some crowd work you know and it's like oh you're getting up all right fine we shop at the same store when he starts wearing his outfit he's like oh that's great right saturn you've been to saturn i've been to saturn sandworms you hate him right right yeah me too me too i i you know like in any other fucking movie they would be going you would get fucking five minutes on trying to figure out how to undo the beetle juice thing just saying home home like yes yeah i don't need to hear why that works

It just fucking works. Like, who cares? It makes, like, it works for the movie because it makes sense. Yes. Everyone can instantly understand it. Yep.

And the movie does not hit the break pedal at all. But what if we listen to some asshole on the internet about this? What if we listen to him and made a 15 minute scene about what it means to go home, home home? I want to meet. I got to see this guy's work, the guy you're describing. It almost sounds like us,

but I know you're describing like one of those YouTube bottom feeders, right? Reddit YouTube, you take your pick. Yeah, sure, sure. I won't, but yes. You know, some stuff to catalog under why this might not be for the youngest of children. Of course, nice fucking

model honk honk on his dick. Also, they ask him like, can you be scary? And he does the, can I be scary? And he turns around and does the jerk off motion. I watched this movie a couple of weeks ago on TNT because it just was on before I left

for the house. They have to like, the way they stretch that scene to cut out his jerk off motion is really like it's like pan and scan for it's advanced panning and scanning because they just don't want the hand well you're cut out everything for adults from this movie

when you aired on TV are you removing Dick Cavett next to slightly he's certainly not for children to slightly defend the was TNT Corporate that when I saw that I never left my brain I was using that all the time just all the minute I figured that out but that's good thing Chris yeah I mean it's better they learn it from Michael Keaton esteemed performer versus the TikTok jerk off boys which I'm sure exists and they're probably

great but like yeah it's true you want a Juilliard jerk off artist exactly the nice fucking model was Michael Keaton yelling at a sec decorator that like something something Like, he was in the scene, it's that scene. And I think he kicks it, but it wasn't supposed to fall over. And that the fact that he did, it did, he just goes, hey, nice fucking model. That's amazing. Tim Burton was like, that's going to stay in the video. Oh, because that's, is that when the tree falls.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, a fucking bunch of losers. And he kicks it. And then it, and it, hey, nice fucking model. That's amazing. Rated PG, by the way. Amazing. Fucking amazing.

Oh, yeah. but when I saw this like I think must have been like the super early 90s like for a kid who wasn't going up religious at all like this was an ideal look at what like a religion would be like an idea of the afterlife I kind of like was like it's not great but it certainly is more interesting than fucking I'm either going to be burning forever or hanging out with a bunch of fucking cloud boys it's this and defending your life yeah that's all I need and both of them focus on the bureaucracy of it all it's like being at the it's very funny both of them and may I say cloud boys stand back and stand by but so they realize

they're not gonna this is Alec Baldwin's you know I have an idea I'm gonna we're gonna haunt them one more time this is the dinner party scene yes Dick Cabin is here playing Lydia's art dealer I can't see Dick Cabin without the

Simpsons joke of like you're gonna see you'll be seen Grouch on a night if you don't leave me alone he'll be having dinner with Groucho tonight if you don't leave me alone it's oh my God it's a weird thing because like

man I love the guy Dick Cavett is such a fascinating dude if you ever watch the on the criterion of husbands the Cassavetti's movie there is an episode of the Dick Cavett show

where those three maniacs Falk Casavetes and Gazara went on the show to promote the movie was the goal of the appearance. And they are so wasted and they're just like chain smoke and just like straight up fucking with Dick Cavett. And he looks

so uncomfortable. It's like the worst show he ever did. Like he said this before or whatever. He looks more comfortable dealing with those guys. Then he looks being in this movie Beetlejuice. There's just something. I mean, I think he's funny in it, but he definitely looks only kind of just happy to be here. I mean, his character is sort of annoyed. He's like the an agent for

Delia and the art sucks. He looks at the art and you get that reaction shot. It's great. He's just, he's so worried. He's like, I've been carrying you for years. I love the so like they're having this little thing and I think Otho and this other woman who I think is a writer for somebody, for

something is, are going at it. This is the, you know, dropped a house on her sister. L.O. I don't know that the character has ever mentioned by name but she's credited as Beryl this is Adele Lutz who indeed was married to David Byrne

from like 1987 to 2004 Oh really? Sounds about right there. Yeah. And Lydia pipes up with Oh, you know, I've seen some ghosts in this house and that's what this is when one of my favorite Catherine Haramines

is when she just cuts her out of like Oh no, Lydia, just stop it already with that You've already ruined my sheets. But that's what it is. Kids, you know I love. them which is just like the way she screams kids you know I love them with that nervous laughter thing yes she does oh man I mean this this to me I mean I don't know if it's one of the best movie sequences of all time it's one of my favorite movie sequences of all time because it's again it's just so ridiculous you know here comes Deo and we're just lip-seeking deo I love

Glenn Shadek's taking the bucket for the the ice and just using it as a drum yes and the little reaction shots of like him just like not like because he's being forced to do it but right being possessed to do it anyway and getting into it. It's great. Yes, dude. He does this amazing like Glenn Shainix in his in his facial acting is and his physicality is like something is forcing me to do this but also I'm looking like I'm not the one doing this. Like it's and it's not oh my God it sucks that he is gone because like that's what's so great about this too. Right. He doesn't have to be like, Dahlia, I'm not doing this. Like, it's just, you get his feeling from his physicality.

And I mean, you get that with, I mean, that's why the tight shots are, uh, interestingly enough of Catherine Ahera, Glenn Shaddix and Jeffrey Jones, because they're all able to do that with their eyes and mouths and like, she's like, like, Jeffrey Jones is scared, but he's also kind of enjoying it, you know what I mean? And she's, her, when it just sort of starts out of nowhere, is just kind of like her facial expressions are just priceless. Like, Jeffrey Jones's that line,

Otho, are you doing this at first? Otho had the mystical powers to do this would be great. I mean, he is essentially playing a scaled down version of Otho in Demolition Man. Like, he's essentially doing, like, when he becomes Simon Phoenix's like manager. Right, associate Bob, right?

Yeah, yes. No, I just, I love, I mean, like, just the unexpectedness of this sequence, like, you could never see this come. You know what I mean? I mean, shrimp hands, you never see shrimp hands coming. And now shrimp hands are terrifying. Ever since I was a young boy, I wanted to eat a hand that looks like a shrimp. Think about how good that, like, because the problem with shrimp is there's never enough.

If you've got a whole human-esque hand that is shrimp. Right. I see what you're saying here. I would love it. You know what these shrimp hands remind me? It's kind of the same level of scare you get in that first Ghostbusters when. the hands come out of Dana's chair and hold on to her before she gets sucked into the fridge or whatever.

It pushes it like one step further that it's like, okay, this is almost scary now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But then you look at it and you're like, no, this thing has like shrimp cocktail fingers. That's also still, you know, they're all giggling at the end. Like all the fuck when they come down. Eric, my question to you is shrimp hands, do they have bones in them now? Like, or are they just pure shrimp? That's a good question. That's the question.

Or is it, or is it like a, it was deshelled in some way? Is it like a crab or lobster of some kind? Oh, man. If it's a hand that is just shrimp meat, count me in. But if I'm eating around bones, I don't know. Well, the thing is like, it depends on the bones. If it's like a, like a regular fish where you get all those little needle bones, no, thank you. Sure.

But if you got like a, I don't know, like a frog bones kind of a thing. Like a human hands bones, I can eat around no problem. Okay. It might actually be good. You might actually enjoy that, I think. But those little, you're talking about them little fish bones that, like, you could easily chomp through them. Yes, and I would die and it would be terrible.

But if it's, if it's, if it's human bones, I think I could, I can get through that. I could get past that. Those won't kill you. But the fish ones. I would prefer, though, like totally gelatinous. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Pure meat.

Pure meat would be ideal. Listen, though, these, these shrimp arms that were. we're going to chow down on. They have to be peeled and cleaned already because it's one of the most obnoxious things ever. Get the shit down your arm. Yes, dude, because you got to get the shit fanes out. You got to get the shell off.

It is a pain in the ass to peel and clean a shrimp. It is. Really, it's one of my least favorite culinary tasks if I'm making something. It's annoying and time consuming. And if it's a human arm version of that, I need someone else to do it before I'm chow. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You go under the shrimp monger then. I think the flesh looks good, firm, and tasty in this one. I don't think he would have to do too much work. I do like the fact that this all happens. And like, the thing is, like, maybe as a kid, I thought it was scary. But like, he actually does, Burton does the smart thing, of course. He was just like, they're not scared by it. They think it's entertaining.

They think it's funny and fun. Like, they've never done anything like this before. It's like a total new experience for rich people who have all the experience. It was like being in an amusement park. Yes, exactly. You're a flake, Delia. If you want to scare people, do it with your sculpture. Dick Kavit's last line of the movie.

She does. Alta's like, this is it, Charles. You can get Maxie Dean up here now. His wife loves the supernatural. She does. And it's great, yeah, because it's like, I love Alex Baldwin. Like any second now they're coming out, screaming. Any second.

I don't know why that man thinks this is a bad performance of his. I think it's one of his best. I agree. It's because he's, I'm telling you, it's still that alpha shit. Like, he doesn't like that he's like kind of a dweeb. Well, why take the role in the first place? This is early on for him. Yeah, he needed it.

I guess that's true. So they, you know, they run up and they invade the attic at this point. This is where Otho gets his hands on the book here. we get the line, you know, he was once the world's leading paranormal, or no, no, no, no. The line that I'm reading here is Jeffrey Jones wants to turn the house into the world's

national, the leading national paranormal research center, which is amazing. And they're making all these grand plans. And then uh-oh, here's Beetlejuice snake, turning from the railing, the staircase banister or whatever. And it is unsettling.

This is head of his and the whole It's scary. Otho gets smacked in the ass. Dude, Othotth takes a tumble down these stairs, which is pretty wild. Foreshadowing of what wound up happening to poor Glenn Shaddix. Yeah, that's the end of his life, which is very weird. But this is the great Beetlejuice. We're coming for your daughter, Chuck. Yes.

He says that Jeffrey Jones before he drops him from the second floor down onto the first floor, which is pretty great. And Lydia thinks this is the Maitlands. Right. why are you doing this, blah, blah, blah. Gina Davis says Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, and he's gone. Oh, no. Oh, I love that.

You know, and what I appreciate about this, too, is like the Beetlejuice snake, it's like an animated and that sometimes puppet head thing. I feel like what's also going to be unfortunate is whatever this new thing is, if Beetlejuice is turning into anything, all your model work and your stop motion stuff that has such a charming and positive and unique effect for this movie. It's going to be out the window. It's going to be Michael Keaton's head

animated onto a snake or like whatever it is. Also good with the snake banister here is the shadow work here where the banister reconstitutes as a banister, but you see it in shadow. Yes. Right. Mark.

So this is Beetlejuice is yelling at the Maitland's yelling at Beetlejuice. Leave these people alone. He's called them a bunch of losers. This is when she picks up. him up, Gina Davis picks him up, tells him to leave the little girl alone and he turns into a spiky

Beetlejuice, which I believe is definitely an action figure. It was indeed. I'm glad you brought this up, Steve, because I was thinking about when he is saying to Alec Baldwin, like, oh, we even dressed the same. Yeah. I definitely had a, I had several Beetlejuice toys. I had spiky Beetle juice. I had this where it was

like the head spun around and like one side was Alec Baldwin in the shirt. And then the other side was Beetlejuice has the shirt, I believe. I had at least like three or four Beetlejuice toys. I had both from the cartoon and the movie. I definitely had Spikey and I

definitely had him in the tucks. But guys, guys, it's not spiky. It's horny. Because now he's horny and this is when he's got the spikes, the horns on and he's hopped into the whorehouse here. The whorehouse, which I love its appearance, Dante's

Inferno room and Barbara goes to Adam like, why did you build that? He's like, I didn't. This is when we get Caseworker Juno again with, I think, the football team here. Yes. She summons them, sit down, you too.

The whorehouse was my idea. I want beetle juice out of the picture. Which is great. By the way, that cartoon, you can't say enough how weird of a leap. Because sometimes you get your cartoon, you're Aladdin cartoon, for example. It's like, well, you know what?

We can't have the genie be free because then there's no genie in the cartoon. So we'll take that part of the ending out. Now they're just going on adventures with their genie friend who's still a genie. Okay, what about that weird movie where that 500-year-old guy wants to marry a 16-year-old girl? Okay, well, what if we take out all the good guys

and we make them friends and, like, he's still hanging out with her, but we make it, quote-unquote, not creepy? They turn him into Drop Dead Fred. Yes, they do. And he becomes... And he's, like, helping her with, like, bullies and shit. I'm like, no, please, stop. You want to fuck her in this movie.

All who talks about is how much he wants to fuck her. Married her. But what's crazy, though, is I believe, if I'm remembering, like, the opening, like, credit sequence of that cartoon, there is a moment where he's got the tucks and she's got the bride dress on, just in the, like, these are the wacky adventures of Beetlejuice and Lydia deeds. Oh, by the way, one time in 1988, the only like, almost got. up, Mary, don't worry about I watched a metric

fuck ton of that beautiful juice cartoon. I think ages ago we did it on AD and I think I maybe said it there, but it was one of those like Fox after school cartoons. It like that backed into Eek the cat. Oh, baby, I was in front of the TV. But to Steve's point, when I saw this as a kid and then I saw the cartoon come out,

I was like, this is not Beetlejuice. No, yeah, exactly. Yeah, sure. Not just that, but it just felt like, a different product. He's not trying to poker. As a kid, I noped out of Beetleju's the cartoon

because it was too dissimilar to the movie. You should have a cartoon of the Nightmare and Elm Street cartoon, but it's Nancy and Freddie getting into all sorts of adventures. Oh, you have a big test this week. Maybe I'll give you a

teacher a nightmare. Oh, you can't find anything on TV. Well, I'll turn into the TV and we can find something for us. Welcome to prime time, my best friend. Yes, indeed. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, you're getting bullied at school. Oh, I'm going to kill them. Oh, that episode was cut from circulation. Just a touching mother and son called Friday the 13. But yeah, this is all the stuff with Juno and the football team. Coach, where's the men's room? I'm not your coach. He's survived. Men's room. Are you kidding me? She teaches them to like knock out their eyeballs

and make themselves look grosser to go and fucking, you know... One last scare. Yeah, go clean your house and don't forget the photographs and that damn damn book. Right. This is the part where she like sort of sets that up and it's like, yeah, maybe. Maybe we'll get to that. And Barbara has that. It's a good moment of

they're dressed in this horrific thing you know Jida Davis has like a big alligator head with her eyeballs in it it's so awesome. Alex Baldwin has a weird nose thing also no eyeballs eyeballs on his hand. He looks like he looks like spy versus spy and he does. She looks like just the sandworm. Yeah yeah

looks like the head of his sandworm which is kind of interesting and she and you know she's like you know I don't want to scare these people anymore I don't I just I want I don't want Lydia to have to go through anything else and now we realize that they are much more paternal and maternal towards Lydia which is going to be important

for the end of the other. This is the big deal because Maxie Dean's coming up tonight, baby. Vera said that. The great Robert Goulet and the whole thing is Charles has to impress him

with a ghost demonstration so he will help finance the purchasing of all of Winter River here which is just I kind of feel it would be cool if the cartoon was like

oh, Charles actually did that and created this kind of weird world because the parents are in the cartoon. They're there, but they are sort of like backseat characters. You know what's weird is the school, which you see at the end of this movie, is quite the location for the cartoon.

Well, yeah. I mean, he's got Ed Cornwell ready to do the insect museum, don't you know. He's ready to go. He's ready to do it. We don't care because we're just here to see some goats. You putts. You think Gulae, It was like two Manhattan's in

by the time he shot his first season. Definitely. That's why we love him. Well, they're like, they're getting ready. It's like the morning of and they're like amping themselves up like, you know, our idealia, like tonight's the big night or whatever. Here comes Glenn Shadix. Clearly he has crashed from the dinner party the night before.

And this like silk like Asian influence bathrobe that this dude's wearing. Not bad. Barefoot out on their deck. Like if you're Charles Dietz, you're just like. And here's my wife's friend hanging out for the fourth night in a row. Well, probably last night, I imagined Otho, for at least the, maybe the fifth time, asked if he could join them in the bedroom. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Oh, hey, Chuck, you want a third. Look, Delia, I've been so close to you over these years. Yeah. Can I just sit in the corner and then maybe join in a little? this is where Lydia you know as we're leading up to this dinner party she encounters Beetlejuice in the model and she's like writing

the suicide note around here I am so alone I am so utterly alone also we kept the suicide attempt I think doesn't get mentioned in the cartoon either no I think I think right I don't think so that she's suicidal I don't think that's in there

okay she's just kind of wacky yeah got a nice little like red dress thing that she's wearing everywhere what's wild though is that she says that she is going to kill herself by jumping off of

the winter river bridge where the Maitlands ain't shit she's smart apparently she's like that when you're drowned that I guess I'm okay so drowning is the way then okay got it

she's settled on a look just commit to it jump off that bridge and you got it for the next 130 years or whatever your ghost will dry off and you won't, you know, you won't have any like physical abnormalities and whatnot. Yeah, totally. You're just regular.

He jumps off the bridge. It just holds, but thinks again at this last minute, holds on to the edge. And then the dog comes back and starts pissing on her fingers. Absolutely. I'll tell you what, Chris Cabin, if I'm hanging for my life by a bridge and a dog comes along and starts tinkling on my fingeys,

I'm holding on. I'll get pissed on. I'll get pissed on. Hot piss. It's too slippery. This hot piss is no slipper. this hot piss is burning my face it's too that piss is too hot now how hot is this dog's piss

is my question come on patches yeah dog piss can get pretty hot the dog from a man's best friend dude it's like acid it's acid Eric's got like all right yeah dog piss can get pretty hot let me tell you

the hotter end of the hotter end of dog piss oh boy Yeah, it just, it's alien blood. It just goes right through. Yeah, yeah. You know more blood for sure. There's a great detail when, like, so Beetleju is trying to, like, coax it, uh, coax Lydia into freeing him from the model.

And she's like, well, why can't you just tell me your name? And he's got this great bit about like, well, then you're going to be giving it to all your friends and the word's going to get around. I'm going to have to appear at store openings and stuff. I love this idea of like, you're like cutting the ribbon on a convenience store. And it's like doing the. ceremony and everybody knows Winter River's favorite son,

Beetle Jews. Those jokes set up how little they really care about these rules, you know? It's just for fun. And I also love, so like, we're doing charades and he's like, turn around, turn around. And it's just an enormous beetle sitting in a chair and he's like, hey, how are you?

Oh, dude, that's so great. And it's got the beetle juice voice, which is awesome. And then the orange juice pouring out beetle breakfast, beetle drink. Beetle juice The Baitland's Stop her before she could say it the third time Right, exactly

And Barbara says somewhere around here Like you know Oh by the way also like I want to be with Lydia Like I don't want to kick them out of the house or whatever We get this we get this Charles Dietz Real Estate presentation for Goulet here And it's really funny Just all the different

Yeah the insect museum is going to be up and running This that and the other thing you know the ghosts that are still hiding out upstairs, Otho says, like, don't worry, Robert Goulet, like, you're going to see ghosts tonight or whatever. Lydia, this is kind of a great liner. It's like, oh, Otho's going to lead the seance to, like, bring, you know, bring the ghost down to us or whatever. And she goes, what, somebody says something about, like, you don't have anything to worry about.

I think it's Otho says this to the room. And Lydia goes, what am I worried about, Otho? You can't even change your tire. And Robert Goulet starts laughing at him, which is really great. This seance scene here is where we're at. It's pretty terrifying. It's on the darker part. Yeah, exactly.

It's scarier for sure. Yeah. And as it's happening, their wedding dress and wedding suit are being filled with their bodies, but they're also sort of like becoming decrepit because they're going to become exercised ghosts, I guess.

Yes, I think that's the last room. And this is when Lydia realizes the only way they help is to get Beetlejuice. And then this is the great, um, he says the whole thing about like well you know again it's another one of those like vague like

them's the rules but it's like if I'm going to get out of here I uh yeah I got to get married yeah that's right so if you marry me I'll help out here and then we're even babe it's the first time he says babe right here oh god it's so good uh but yeah but blah blah blah beetle juice it's show time which again here's what's great right

is like, you get this in this movie one time. One time does Beetlejuice say it's showtime. That cartoon every episode Beetlejuice is saying showtime, man. And it's kind of diminishing returns with every cartoon episode

you see. Well, also, I mean, I think he says, he says, goes with the most wants. I think that was on T-shirt. Like that was everywhere. It's a great catchphrase. It was a sensation. The ghost with the most. This carnival

Beetlejuice is I think the most terrifying iteration of Beetlejuice he's got like a weird like merry go

around kind of baby's bassinet kind of thing on his head the fucking arms that just stretch out

to become the big mallets it's all I mean you could really do something with a cross between like

Beetlejuice and Freddie Kruger because there is a lot of the same sort of like shape changing terror kind of

stuff there's a guy on the YouTube, there's a guy on YouTube with a fan film for you, I'm sure. Really? Check that out. Is Walter Koenig in it? Oh, yeah. At that time Beetlejuice beamed up to the Enterprise,

of course. No, he's playing Beetlejuice. I have the gust with the bust. Nice packing model. That Walter, we really want you to play Beetlejuice in this Beetlejuice fan film. However, for whatever reason

you, Walter Koenig, Canadian actor, have to do your checkoff Russian voice as Beal choose. It's the only way people are going to recognize you, buddy. Sorry. No problem. I have the ghost with the tiniest ghost with the tiniest most. Let's get married, babe.

He just automatically fits in the model. He doesn't have to shrink in. I'm sorry, but we are going to be crediting U.S. checkoff. It's not going to be Walter Koenig. It's just going to be check off. That's how we know that you're you. Beetloff, dude. Well, but being a Beetloff, this is the test your might step right up.

He smacks Maxie Dean and his wife up into the upstairs floor. He has to kill them here, right? They're dead. They're dead. Yeah, they're dead. The thing that's crazy is, like, Otho kind of, it's funny and it is such a great way to, like, punk Otho. Like, Beetleju strips his cool, like, black outfit off and he's wearing, like, a really ghost like dumb and dumber light blue tuxedo kind of thing

and like he's to Otho that is the most horrifying visage and like he runs out of the house never to be seen again you kind of feel like Otho should be going through a wall or something he's way more you know evil than Maxie and Sarah Dean of course but it's a punchline because I mean this movie is a wackadoo comedy you know what I mean? That's true and this is the only time actually that Glenn Shadex's weight

is referenced in a joke is when Beetlejuice grabs and goes Not so fast round boy Which is preferable to fat boy I have to say There's a little bit of that And then this my favorite edit In the movie is like

When they're all disposed of or whatever And it's just the Dietz's And the Maitland ghost left in the house We have this like really harsh cut Where it's like Beetlejuice has just Scared Otho out of the house And then it's like smash cut Keaton's in the tuxedo and like everything has changed just due to the edit like we didn't see anything and it wasn't like here we go and like he doesn't say showtime a second time it's just like here's an edit and now he's clearly in like a wedding tuxedo and this thing is like moving forward shall we it's this red 1970s like tuxedo and my father wore the exact same one I believe that it's great and his hair is like slick to the side

he kind of brushes it at one point and it's disgusting it's like Beetleju is just running a brush over his hair and I'm like oh god why bother that poor brush oh god the fucking finger like she meant nothing to me nothing to me whatsoever he's pulling the ring off the finger with the ring on it oh yeah that's great

that shit is great too right the hokey like oh geez beetle juice lost the ring oh god you know he's a divorcee this is when we meet my favorite character of course the priest who comes out of the fireplace who was a clearly like a nightmare before Christmas looking dude like a alien or something

yes this is do you be curious doing the body of the preacher is Tony Cox from like bad Santa and a thousand other things and the voice is this guy Jack Angel just passed away in 2021

having this got itself another angel A seriously successful voice actor Almost entirely down the board One of those like You know additional voices On a shit ton of things I guess also I didn't see any of them But those

At least some of those new smurf things He's Papa Smurf So like this guy was like still doing it well into Some of those new smurf things Yeah As Eric said, though, I'm sure he'll make a great cloud boy. He'll be a beautiful boy up there. Oh, shit.

He voiced Teddy and AI artificial intelligence. Wow. Look at that. I guess he's in hell then. It's fine. Beetlejuice speaks for Lydia here. I love all the voice throwing shit is cool. I'm Lydia Dietz and I'm of sound mind.

The man next to me is the one I want. I do love that man of mine. and I love the like him it's like just the added gag of like you know Beetleju is the one

that has like instigated all of this and whatever and then like when the moment comes he's like he gets he actually gets cold feet

and he's like oh I always said that I've ever did it I was only going to do it once he's like like psyching himself ending me

oh fuck Michael Keaton's a genius that's so good nothing will make me laugh more than the cat scream he does to Gina Davis

when she says Beetle Juice. Yes, because they're all trying to say Beetle Juice. He zippers her and then her lips and then throws a metal plate over it. Played over it. Yeah. And then puts Alec Baldwin in his own model. Yes, after knocking his teeth out

that are chattering on the floor. Yes. Beetlejuice like tap dancing around the feet that are like chittering to attack him is pretty great. It's great. Yes. Also reminded me one of the things I wanted to mention about is physicality when he's sort of like dancing towards the brothel there.

a while back, it almost looks exactly like some of the dancing Jack Nicholson does as the Joker like a year later. Sure, totally. And I'm like, is there some sort of like

Tim Burton like dancing guide book where he's like, all right, this is the way I want you to dance when you approach the whore house. And then like a year later, it's like Jack, this is how I want you to dance

when you're destroying the art gallery. I will tell you, the man does have some fancy feet because if, If has anybody seen, Tim Burton is dating Monica Balucci now? Right. Really? You know what?

I will say this. At least it's age appropriate. I think it's great. I think he's fantastic. But I'm telling you, he's either like the coolest guy to hang out with or has like a Godzilla tail down there. It's like the man, this guy hitting it like, there's this video

of him at the red carpet with Monica Balucci. And you can just tell he is like on cloud nine about the fact that he's dating Monica Blucci he's like dancing like literally he's like skipping around a red carpet because he's dating Monica Bluishing What was this red carpet for?

Very very recent I don't know I just saw a video on Twitter Oh I'm sorry X I saw a little video Get it right pedophile I'm sorry Elon Yeah it's really funny If you get a chance

Oh weird I mean you know good for them Oh yeah I hope they're happy You think she's going to turn out in one of his motion pictures? She's already, too, already, by the way. Oh, really?

No, is that true? She's where we met on Beal Juice. Credited as Beetlejuice's wife. Oh, okay. All right. Here's the thing. All right.

Eric's right. It's already terrible. Yeah, that's not good. IMDB has Jenna Ortega as Lydia's daughter. Monica Boutche is Beetleju's wife. Willem DeFoeh is

fucking around. Hey. Oh, well, all right. All right. Now my attention's coming back. You can call me. You can call me Cockerow Sandwich. Hi. I'm Beetlejuice's uncle. Cockrow Chandway. Oh my God. What was that David Lynch movie he was in? Wild at Heart. He's like, that's like a Beetlejuice character. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, that's a fucked up character. Yeah. So Barbara drives a sandworm. Yes. Through the, the, the, the house. house and it just eats beetle juice. Again, I do appreciate the, you know, economics of all this. It's a bonkers world. We are under no obligation to explain ourselves. So like, no, I don't see her wrangling this sandworm like fucking, uh, dune or something. You know what I mean? Like, it just happens.

She's just on it. It just jumps through this house. Beetlejuice is eaten. Yeah. Bob's your uncle. That's the end of the way. It's great. It's great. It's fun and it doesn't matter. The, the way this movie moves and how it's set up. Yes. You're not beholden to any of that stuff and it's a great. It's a strength. Other movies, it might be a weakness, but it's a strength here. You're, you're, so you're, you don't want 15 minutes of her

doing saddling lessons to get the fucking sandworm going to Saturn for 15 more scenes. I'm not on Reddit. What if Beetlejuice had a wife, Eric? Is that do anything for you? Oh boy. No, it doesn't do it. Do you guys think like there's going to be a shot in Beetleju's

to where Monica Balucci just goes, I'll save that one for later and spits a lugy into the breast pocket of her jacket. Yes. And then like grabs her crotch. Yeah, they're going to play the hits for sure. I mean, speaking of Willem Defoe, like Beal Juice's actual wife should look more like a character from the Florida project. Like one of the adult characters is more the fucking tone you want, I think. Just the purest most gold-hearted white trash you can find.

What's that the, that bar document, bloody hands empty pockets? bloody nose empty pockets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the women from that movie. Just like, that is what a Beetlejuice wife would look like. One of those bar hags would marry Beetlejuice, one drunk in night in Vegas, absolutely. But sure. But sure, bad a cabucci, sure.

Yeah, sure. The scene we don't see is Barbara and Adam and Delia and Charles sitting down and them handing custody over to their living daughter to these ghosts. You know, like, whatever that deal is, it's just like, Well, we don't really care for her. She seems to be like you. They're still at the house. They're all living under the same roof now. Interestingly enough, it looks like that, right, they moved the model downstairs.

And the, God, not the DETs is, the Maitlands, they're living open in the house again, which is great. Yeah, they're openly living in the house. Whatever this deal is we've made. Well, because it also looks like they've undone some of the remodeling because like you're back in the living. room and like the lame wallpapers back up and you know all of her fancy design stuff all of othos hard work we should say uh is is is is completely undone poor otho but yeah there just needs to be some sort of like i'm signing my daughter over to ghosts like jeffrey jones just signing a and hey maybe it's the little reverend guy maybe he's more of like uh um um you know just sort of like a a notary kind

of a guy, like an afterlife notary. So he comes back and says, all right, now we're all gathered around the transfer of girl ownership from her human parents to ghosts. And if Lydia does get an A, they could do

Harry Bellifonte dead. You hear that, mom? I might have kids one day. When I'm dead. I might be able to adopt one. Now you will have to take the copy of this form back to Limbo in three weeks. we will make a reservation over the phone for you

for you to come down but then we'll be all settled I do appreciate that you get this quick shot of Lydia leaving school Miss Shannon School for Girls of course and it's nice that like yes she's sort of technically been adopted by ghosts and whatever and she still pretty much dresses like she's going to a funeral every fucking day

but Lydia has like friends at the school and she's she's seen like happily saying goodbye to some girl is she like rides her bike happily away I like that there's you can see that there's a little bit of progress with this character and it's not just like the same mopey shit and I'm only happy when I go home to my ghosts because like that makes you a fucking loser Lydia sorry well yeah because death is she doesn't

she no longer sees death as like change like an escape from what her life as she sees it as he's normalized she's been like she's come she's made peace with death in a way and like that makes her like have fun more often and like she's still gotthy thank god but like it's not like taken over her entire life right and she's actually here here in like the school uniform and the skirt and whatever is pretty much the standard character design for her in the cartoon sure yeah because again so much of it was like her at the at the miss shannon school for girls or whatever. I love Jeffrey Jones

reading the book that's like how to co-exist with the dead, a guy for a living, the living or whatever it is. And just the fact that they're fine with it. Like the Deitses are like, yeah, it's fine. Delia has made a sculpture of the snake Beetlejuice head, which was probably just like the

actual stop motion model for the pop department, which is pretty cool. I was like, oh, cool, look. Delia Dietz is holding some movie memorabilia right here. Look at this. And Beetlejuice is now in the waiting room because I guess he's dead again sort of and needs

a case worker. He's sitting next to a guy with a shrunken head and a witch doctor. He's got ticket number 2,859 which doctor has four and, hey that's Elvis. Oh wow. Hey, King! It's such a great.

What a great moment of that, that huge laundry list number being dropped on that guy's laugh. It doesn't even do, yeah, it just it's so funny. And I love, again, Beetlejuice, like, just random shit, like how he's, he's

telling the shrunken head guy. He's like, oh, yeah, hope they call me soon. I got to get out of here. I got a photo shoot for GQ in about an hour. They've been after me for months. I don't know. Some kind of a thing. It's just like, God damn it, that's funny. Yeah. And then, yeah, the, you know, the whole thing is like she goes back.

It's like, oh, well, I got to see my science test because I refuse to dissect the animal, you know, but how'd you do it? How'd you doing that fucking math test? you little pig you better pass that math test, Biggie. Can you spell fantastic?

You better. And she got an A on it. So it's like, can we do the thing? Okay, you can do the thing. We'll let you float. And what's cool too is like,

this also shows you like, okay, like Alec Baldwin can make like this fake spotlight come out of nowhere. The chair starts going. They can hear the music. She can be lifted up

into the air to dance. They have like mastered their ghost powers too, which is pretty sweet. Finally sat down and read the fucking book. It's awesome. That's the whole thing. You read it till like halfway through the thickness of the book and then it just turns to the flip side,

which is the Japanese translation. Oh, nice. You know the ending. One of my favorite endings ever, maybe. The music, my God, it just pops off. It's fucking awesome. Yes. I love the little wink at the end of the ghosts

for no reason of the football team just showing up on the back. It's just a little, it's like, hey, the movie's over. Goodbye, everybody. You know what I mean? you remember these guys, right? The smash comic sensation from 20 minutes ago, the football team, they're just back for no reason.

It actually kind of reminds me of, there's a couple times in the early goings of the treehouse of horrors where they will just end with random like musical numbers and shit. And it's like people just kind of come out of nowhere. That's what this sort of feels like to me is like,

we're kind of dancing. Here's one of the main characters from the movie. And up, here's some just, you know, sideline tertiary ghosts or whatever. It's pretty cool What a fucking fantastically weird movie That's the end of it And it should have stayed the end of it

This Beetlejuice too We will see But we'll go around the horn here Final thoughts Eric Siska Yeah I mean this movie is so much fun So much personality Like we were talking about

This is Burton becoming Burton It's just it's wonderful It's crazy you never got made Given the subject matter and all that I just love it to pieces is, that's me. Oh, yeah, Chris Kamen. It's, I mean, it's foundational to me.

If you haven't seen it, go watch it right now. You should have stopped listening to this. Earlier on, this is, this is, you go watch the movie. I brought him up with Fincher because I think they're very similar guys. I think they, like, have very particular views of the world that, and it's funny that Burton's is much brighter than Ventures when it comes down to it at the end of the day. But I do think they both got introduced in France.

franchise world and went their second movie, they established exactly what I'm going to do. This is my career. This is what I will offer you. And Burton's they both had this 90s run that was fucking insane. Like up until Planet of the Apes, it's hard. He ruled the fucking world.

People were trying to make these movies and failing everywhere to try to make movies like this. It just wasn't working out. And he's just a master at it. He knows how to do it. And he still made the best superhero movie. uh this is my favorite movie of his for sure uh i i love this movie did he direct quantum mania i missed

that uh they wish they fucking wish uh yeah i i love this movie uh watch it now yeah no i'll just hop on and say like you look at this run you know 85 to 99 and it's just consistent bangers throughout the entirety of that. And then the train starts going off the track with that Apes movie and so on. I'm not going to read the whole filmography, but like talk about a friggin' run, man, and talk about a guy who just, yeah, very instrumental in the building of my love of cinema

in general. And I agree with you, Chris. I was thinking about to say watching it, this is my favorite Tim Burton movie. As much as I love those two Batman's and Batman Returns is my favorite superhero movie. This is just just great. And I think it's because someone said it right. I think, Steve, maybe you said it. Like, it is so singular up until next year when they ruin that.

You know, do their best to ruin it. How about just Edward 2? Yes. See what that guy was up to in the afterlife. By the way, great movie. I think underrated. Amazing film. I'm definitely including that like in, in that flawless run of movies that he had. I think it's great.

Yeah, so big recommend. I'm with Chris Cabin. Turn this off right now. But before you do, listen to what Steve to say for the closing thoughts. It's delightfully funny. It's a really, and I mean, I think that there is, like, you know, reading a little bit about it, one of the guys, the main guy who wrote the first draft of the script,

Matthew McDonald, maybe his name is, was like, really into, like, death and like, like, horror stories and stuff, and like Michael McDowell. But, like, it's, what I find the interesting about that is, like, sort of that, using that template, it turns into a Tim Burton thing. You know what I mean?

like whatever whatever that script was and then obviously like there was another screenwriter brought on another another another Michael Keaton says a lot of his lines were improvised because this was in the Tim Burton umbrella and it just turned into this the the jeans were there you know what I mean and it's just turned into a Tim Burton movie

and I think that that's what's so delightful about it it's it is such a singular bizarre movie that I can't believe ever got made like selling this to somebody and again I think it's also because probably I don't even know like I'll look at up right now how much the budget of this movie was probably

$15 million. You know what I mean? $15 million. It made 74 and we don't you don't know what I mean? Yeah. Here's a weird little movie. This director's got some heat.

You know, it's got this guy. Gina Davis, she's somebody. Alec Baldwin, maybe not. Michael Keaton is due for a hit. Johnny Dangerously was fun. And they just shoved this movie out. And it is this weird little goth miracle.

I love it. it's a perfect movie folks if you have not seen it go check it out but that brings us to the end of We Love Movies Month 2023 but this whole month we've been launching some real bangers on some side shows that actually

normally we cover television but we're talking movie related things on animation damnation of course Steve what total classic were we talking about there Oh who framed Roger Rabbit That's you want to talk about perfect movies Like that is just a A fastball from our good friend

Robert Zemeckis, who doesn't have a lot of fast balls, but has a couple. He's got a couple in the arsenal, absolutely. On the nexus, we were talking about the very underrated Leonard Nimoy directorial debut, Star Trek 3, the search for Spock. Full length, two-hour episode,

me, Eric, and Chris, talking about that bad boy, which was phenomenal. Eric, who did we cover on the Gleap? We covered Grand Admiral Thrawn. It was a fun, big episode. My wife joined us, and it was a lot of fun, so tune into that as well. The big, the big blue man himself, Grand Admiral

Thrawn, of course, the hit star of Asoka. It's like three scenes, as I understand. I guess I'll wait for Glenn Edmund Thrawn, too. Yes, then you'll get all the throne you want. And of course, don't forget our sexy adventures over on Melrose 210, where we finally put the nail in the coffin for that goddamn Paris subplot there. That's over with.

Oh, yes. Thank the Lord. Yes, but much like California in the summer, the heat is rising on both 902 and Melrose Place. You definitely want to keep up with all of that. Now, Steve, here on the Tuesday feed, the show continues next week. We're going back to regularly scheduled We Hate Movies programming with what motion picture being discussed. Oh, we're doing a Christmassy month because we're talking about die hard too. Of course. Oh, yeah.

This is exciting. loosely set at Christmas. Oh, yeah. When we were talking about doing Die Hard 2, I was like, we didn't do that already. Apparently we haven't.

The one we didn't do. It completes the cycle because we've done episodes on every single one. The first one was a commentary. We had Gabris on Die Hard with the Vengeance. So like this, this finishes it out.

Our last Die Hard movie. Andrew, when you get the 4K out of Die Hard 2, could you just measure William Sadler's anus? Just to know what the diameter is. Also, Eric, your favorite director, Reddy Harlan. Oh, wonderful. I mean, we're going to complete his

filmography soon enough. Oh, yeah. So, yes, the Die Hard 2 episode next week, and you can get an advertisement free on Patreon as well. That's right. At the $8 level and up, you can get all of the Tuesday releases, main feed Eps, as we call them. Mainly we hate movies episodes, but, you know, as we just had in November here, we love movies episodes as well. The Tuesday releases, you can get them bad boys ad free patreon.com slash we hate movies but that's going to do it for we love movies month 2023 we'll be back next week getting in the holiday spirit with a not so great diehard sequel until then i've been andrew even say that eric cisco Chris cabin take it easy Thank you.