We Hate Movies - S14 Ep711: Die Hard 2

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

“Like most motion pictures, this needed way more Reginald VelJohnson” - Andrew On this week’s episode, we’re chatting about the high body count/low IQ, Christmas-set sequel, Die Hard 2! Why ...couldn’t they have developed a script where now-LAPD detective John McClane has some adventure on the streets of Los Angeles instead of a boring D.C. airport? How amazingly scuzzy and inept is Dennis Franz’s Carmine Lorenzo? Did they really need to go the sequelitis route of just repeating famous beats from the first film? And has there been a better villain introduction than William Sadler’s totally nude Colonel Stuart? PLUS: Dennis Franz storms out of a screening of the film Her! Die Hard 2 stars Bruce Willis, Bonnie Bedelia, William Sadler, Franco Nero, John Amos, Reginald VelJohnson, William Atherton, Art Evans, Fred Thompson, Tom Bower, Sheila McCarthy, and Dennis Franz as Carmine Lorenzo; directed by Renny Harlin. Snag your tickets and don’t miss us THIS THURSDAY, December 7th, at White Eagle Hall in Jersey City, NJ where we’ll be doing a live show all about Tim Allen in The Santa Clause! Don’t hesitate, this is our only NY metro-area show for a spell!  Today’s episode is brought to you in part by Factor! Head over to FACTORMEALS DOT COM SLASH WHM50 and use code WHM50 for 50% off! Want more WHM? Join our Patreon fam today and instantly unlock hours and hours of exclusive bonus content, including Ad-Free WHM Prime at the $8 level and up! Check out the WHM Merch Store featuring new Polish Decoy, ‘Jack Kirby’, and Forrest the Universal Soldier designs! 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This week on the program, like most motion pictures, this needed way more Reginald Vell Johnson. It's Die Hard 2. I'm Andrew Juppin. Carmine Lorenzo. Die Eric 2. Chris Cabiner. And we hate movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to the program. Thank you for tuning in this week. That's right. We're talking Die Hard 2, which some may call Die Hard 2, Die Hard 2, Die harder, but it's just die hard too, and die harder
Starting point is 00:01:02 was the tagline. That was, yeah, that was interesting, because it's like, it's, it was a fake thing, like it's not, you would think it's called die harder, which is the stupidest thing. Die harder is just such a dumb idea. Like, like hard, your cock was hard for the first movie. Yes, sure. Now it's
Starting point is 00:01:18 even harder. Even harder. I mean, that's, if it was die, even harder, I would do that. Well, I think, well, here's the thing that, like, what is the harder way to go? Being dropped off the top of a skyscraper, kicking back lighting a cigar on a plane thinking you got away with it
Starting point is 00:01:34 and then the plane explodes. It's a great question. You go out the second way, I think, no question. If you're talking about what you choice is. No, no, I'm talking like, you hear, all right, here's a deal. It's like, oh my God, guys, did you hear Eric died yesterday? That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Holy fuck, what happened? And then the answer is either some flat foot cop dropped him off the top of a skyscraper or he was kicking back in his escape plane, lighting a cigar and someone blew it up. Which one is more epic? You'd be like, holy fuck, that guy died hard. I mean, you're dying hard in both cases. But like a horrible death. I think
Starting point is 00:02:07 the, the, uh, Franco Nero in this movie has a horrific fiery, like it just it seems like it's quick, but I guarantee you it's not as quick as it looks. You know what I mean? That's all plain stuff that you act like it's quick. Uh-huh. It ain't quick. Well, I'll say this
Starting point is 00:02:23 man, I would argue the hardest death of this movie is not the bad guy playing at the end. It's that poor British Air Lines playing the crashes with fucking Star Trek's Columnini and all the world's Grammys too. There was a tea ready. I hope everything. Oh, no. I'm dead.
Starting point is 00:02:41 We're just like English rare love. We may be late, but we get you there. I'm being the queen to the grave. Get you all over the tarmac. Now, did anyone die, die harder in that car battery commercial that came out recently? I don't think anyone passed away the Durracell
Starting point is 00:03:02 die hard there was an idea to get Timothy Oliphant back into the franchise by having Bruce Willis put you know the clamps on the thing
Starting point is 00:03:13 with the battery on the thing is nuts sack on the nipples I know you can also I know I know you're a nuttack man you're gesturing
Starting point is 00:03:21 towards your nipples on an audio show so I was letting people know that you were gesturing towards your dick but you weren't it was the nipples. To be fair, I do think when people listen to us, they imagine us talking,
Starting point is 00:03:32 touching our nipples. Of course. Why wouldn't you? I see it in a check. Okay, Steve's got the ice cube out. Oh, no. With excitable as we get, you know? And you listen to this, you're like, they must be teasing nipples. Andrew, could you put the air conditioner up? Yeah, this
Starting point is 00:03:47 ice cube is melting over my washboard abs right now. I'm seeing some saggy nips over here on Eric Siska, and I don't fucking like it. Chris, Chris, Chris, get him. Hit him with that Nice. Oh, yeah. Here's a question. Oh, my God. I'm desperate to not talk about nipples.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Are you sure? For now. Dye Nipples. Is this the best Reddy Harlan movie, even though I don't like it very much? Probably. Yeah. I mean, Longest Good Night is also. Yes, I need to watch that.
Starting point is 00:04:19 That's the best one everybody likes. That's the one. It's better than this movie because it's not tied to any franchise. And it's just, I would argue, as much ridiculous. action. I don't think anyone's taken down a plane in that movie. No. I don't remember so. There might be somebody is talking about doing it, but not
Starting point is 00:04:35 on screen. I think is there not also some snowmobile shenanigans that movie? There is quite a lot. So there you go. Also very similar use of gasoline to like the fire thing at the end of this. Something very
Starting point is 00:04:51 similar happens during an escape. I think cliffhanger might be his best. Oh, of course. That's a solid action year By the way, you want to hear how fucking terrible IMDB is these days. Did you know he was also the director of Cliffhanger colon special effects
Starting point is 00:05:08 seven minutes video and cliffhanger colon deleted scenes Wow, what a franchise. People are just adding this to this is what letterbox, you just have to use letterbox You do because also everything's been cascaded like it took me, I figured what director I was looking up the other day. It was like,
Starting point is 00:05:25 you know, here's his acting credit. It was Eli Roth, actually. I was looking up Eli Roth. Like, what is Thanksgiving the best Eli Roth to be in me? And it was. But I had to like, I had to like do some mechanics to get through his acting,
Starting point is 00:05:37 producerial and whatever. Thanks and stuff. Like directing was after all that I'm like, the dude is known as a director. That's the first thing that's there. I can tell you exactly what this is. This is at some point, the belief is that everyone on earth will have an IMDB page.
Starting point is 00:05:55 everybody. Sure. We have them now apparently. Yes. Like that's the idea. I think it's like you get enough thanks in there. Yeah. Yeah. And even like it's your great grandmother somehow. Chris. Chris you were hitting a great point. There's not enough motion pictures putting us down for the special thanks. Yes. I think there should be more. A lot of people owe us a lot. I do think that's true. Well, I will see when Rebel Moon comes out of a friend of the show, Zach Snyder. Yeah. Thanks. that's right we'll have to see you about that when we go see his
Starting point is 00:06:28 Star Wars anytime someone tells you it's their Star Wars ain't a great sign in a it's not a bright idea oh excellent you got what I'm putting
Starting point is 00:06:40 anyway back to nipples and car batteries so this is two years this is two years after the events of the first film where the first film came out I believe it's just these two stories are a year apart
Starting point is 00:06:53 yeah probably in the movie because there's a lot of like, I remembers you from last Christmas on the TV. There's something about someone tells him he bombed a nightline interview and I'm like, give me that. Give me that flashback of him freezing up on national television.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Excuse me, you can't smoke here. What? Seriously, what the fuck? If I can watch fucking John Lennon talk to Forrest Gump, you can't give me John Diehard McLean bombing on television. That's true. No religion, too?
Starting point is 00:07:24 that's right pal now is it true that you refer to these these proud Germans as crouts is that true sir I called them yippy kaye motherfuckers so yeah of course we introduce ourselves back to Mr.
Starting point is 00:07:41 John McLean he's at an airport it is the holiday season he's getting a parking ticket quick thing about this movie because Wikipedia says it's Christmas Eve everybody in the movie keeps saying it's Christmas week so that's a weird kind of vagary that I mean it makes sense
Starting point is 00:07:58 because like it's winter break the kids are off I guess like because it's busy at the airport but it's not so busy at the airport like we don't want to have like it's like it would make sense why Hollywood you wouldn't fly in on Christmas
Starting point is 00:08:10 even to see your fucking kids you'd probably fly in like the top of third or something Christmas week Christmas week well that's what what we're talking about here is what every single lifetime and hallmark garbage Christmas movie does where
Starting point is 00:08:23 some fucking psychopath comes to wherever it is they happen to be celebrating Christmas that year like five to six days in advance they expect you to show up to your family's Christmas on the 19th and fuck that well no you have to because you got to wrap the giant bow on the top of the car you're giving them this is very important well you got to do that
Starting point is 00:08:45 you got to hang out with all the high school friends you got to save the fucking mitten factory there's probably some gingerbread houses that need to be built Thanksgiving Eve, you got, oh, wait, no, that's, that's a different holiday. But also, like, you know, you got to find time to fall in love all over again. That's the big one. Well, I was going to say Thanksgiving Eve, you see all the losers you used to hang out with. And then I guess you do that on Christmas, too, people that go home for Christmas, I don't.
Starting point is 00:09:09 In both cases, I think you have to make time a lot of time to realize you should move back home. To keep it in your mind that that is ultimately what you want to do is give up your job. Everything you like about yourself currently. and just go back to hell. Anything you've built yourself that you are proud of, yeah. Scrub yourself of your identity that you've built for yourself and just
Starting point is 00:09:33 go back to factory setting. Yeah, take over the family gingerbread factory. You know, that's it. That's your life, stupid. I would go back to factory defaults if I could be a little guy again, right? Like you turn young and you be small. Oh, I don't want that. But you know what you know now.
Starting point is 00:09:49 So you could master everything. So it's just the size or you go completely. completely youthful. Well, except for my Noggin. Oh, that was asking a lot. I was looking this up. You can go back to factory settings. You put your left middle finger up your ass. Okay. And your right index finger in your right ear. And then jostle a paper clip up your nose. You have to do that, but then the reset is putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger. Oh, of course. Oh, that's a great life hack. That's just, yeah, it's resetting. So this is science fiction because it starts off and
Starting point is 00:10:21 it's uh mclean uh he's getting he's getting towed by robert the great robert christanzo absolutely um finnie and yeah i'm from washington dc or whatever yeah it's the fucking cradle of democracies of some shit yeah i was born outside of baltimore what of it like no you weren't uh but he's just that's the test it's like all right robert costanzo's character in this movie say the word water for me that'll fucking determine Water. Okay. We don't got a little Italy, but we do have a little meatball world. It's about three, about three, you know, places where all the Italian food is in the entire. Now I see why Dennis Franz lives here, too. Yeah, that's my brother. Robert Kastain, he's from, we're kind of like the Nolan brothers. I'm from Chicago. He's from New York. I have always loved Dennis Franz in this movie. Just being incompetent and loud and stupid the whole time.
Starting point is 00:11:20 It's kind of great. But he's getting a ticket from a cop and he pulls his badge or he's getting toad. And the guy's like, yeah, fuck you, pal. Never going to have. These two would shirt each other off at the bathroom. Are you shirt? And I like, because it's like, that's what cops do. But they do.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Obviously they do. They love it. They enjoy it. They drink it up. But this is apparently the first movie and the only movie. I saw this on the trivia. That he's LAPD. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Yes. He's for this movie that's not in L.A. Yep. because it tells you that he after the first movie successfully moved out with Holly they patch things up. I feel like I'd rather see that than the airport jaunt here in D.C.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Well, because it's like you don't, I mean, I guess we had to wait till the fourth one to see any of D.C. This is all. Dulles, by the way, outside the city. Yeah, right. I mean, nothing. A lot of these complaints are going against the principle of the movie, which was you have to do everything
Starting point is 00:12:18 we did in the first movie. You can do it in different order and certain things can be changed. Oh, but it has to be somehow cheaper. Yes. Well, little, I don't, some of outside shots cost you money. This, goddamn, if this took place during the day, it'd be an extra star
Starting point is 00:12:34 rating on Letterbox for me right now. It is so dark. It is murky. I can't take all the scenes around baggage conveyor belts and darkened runways. Eric, die hard was at night. It has to be dark. Somehow a skyscraper is more interesting
Starting point is 00:12:50 than an airport. It's less claustrophobic somehow and it was just kind of odd. I agree with you with that Eric. But actually, this was the most expensive movie ever made at the time. Really? Until T2 knocked it out. Yeah, I mean, I get it though. Like, you're blowing up a lot of shit. You're taking
Starting point is 00:13:06 over for parts of this movie like an actual airport. That costs money to shut this stuff down. The explosions are good. I applaud the dummy work. I love a good dummy. Oh, dude. This has one of my favorite dummy kills of all time when he drops the painting scaffolding on the guy. And it turns into like a sub Mr. Highway from the good son. It might as well
Starting point is 00:13:27 be the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Like it's a fat guy on this painting scaffold. John McLean pushes it over. The guy falls off. And when it lands on him, it turns into a scarecrow. When it turns, when it hits the stomach, you can see the head inflated a little bit. But he's picking up his wife because she's coming in from L.A. The car gets towed. It's a, it's the murderer-in-law. car. Absolutely. The movie didn't really flesh this out, but I guess I could pick up the pieces, right? The mother-in-law lives in D.C. Yeah, the parents live in D.C. We're doing the grandchildren. Yeah, the grandchildren are with the grandparents. Okay. And he's, all he's trying to do is pick his wife up from the airport, which, to be fair, if you've ever driven to an airport to pick someone up, it is a diehard situation all its own. This movie is very believable.
Starting point is 00:14:16 What is he doing, leaving the fucking car long? enough that someone toes it. Because he's an asshole fucking cop and he's like, no one's going to do anything to my car. Excuse me, asshole hero cop. That's the difference here. Everybody fucking knows who this tower ever heard of it. Exactly. Everybody knows who this fucking is. It's kind of great because that also happens in the third. Like they're still talking about this all those years later where it's like, that thing in the building in L.A. Do you think because this happens often with the state of the union, they'll bring, you know, the, the, the current president will bring somebody.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Oh, a special guest. Usually someone's, whose life has been ruined by the United States of America. But sometimes heroes make it. You know what I mean? Your tickets are copped. You get to watch me deliver by,
Starting point is 00:15:03 my address. Oh, no, this would be Bush, right? 80. So you figure Christmas 88, that's going down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:12 By the senior. Yeah. When did that all change? The term started 89. So, Right. So, it was still written. My inaugural, I want to bring in my Nakatomi hero, a little applause for Mr. John McLean. That's right. He killed all those nefarious Germans, just like our great United States military did decades prior.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Oh. Pour one out for my good buddy, Mr. Takagi, lost his life. Thousand points of light, thousand bullets for Mr. McLean up there in the 14th row. Give a little wave there. I vomited it on his neck rather than. his lap it's a different type I like to give a little variety oh man isn't that great that
Starting point is 00:15:53 someone got to experience presidential hot goop in their lap oh yeah hell yeah do you think I mean and Chris you're totally right because every single thing that happens in the first movie happens in this movie has to get shoved into this turducket of a film
Starting point is 00:16:09 I am curious when and where somebody and it had to be Bruce Willis like there's no way I'm taken by shoes off I know I know it's in this There must be like a, oh, no, I got milk all over my shoes. Gonna take these off now. Oh, they broke all these duty-free alcohol bottles. I just, I guarantee you at some, at least in some draft.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Right. Took his shoes up. Do you know, do you know what I would put money on the, the agreement was they came together. It's like, all right, Bruce, like, you don't have shoes, but you're constantly asking other people for their jacket. because it's cold outside. That's kind of... Because that happens a lot. He's straight up...
Starting point is 00:16:51 There's the one dude Barnes, the air traffic controller guy. He straight up borrows that dude's coat like halfway through this movie and never gives it back to him. And that's the guy that comes up with all the ideas for this. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:02 He's the idea man. And Bruce is just executing it. He's the hero, really. Yes. I always love that Barnes. He pops up and stuff. We were just talking about him. He plays like a police chief in something.
Starting point is 00:17:13 He's been a police chief in some... Yeah, he's always... I think it's always... police or like someone working for a state agency. Is he the boss in last action here? No, no. He's got a great little raspy voice which I love. I've always loved that dude's voice because it's like a tiny
Starting point is 00:17:27 guy. Yes. It's kind of like a Joey Pants situation. Honestly, tiny guy raspy voice. Kind of adorable. One of the cops from ruthless people. That's right. But I, you're right. He is a chief in something and it's driving me insane. He's a lieutenant in Metro. Let me look up some more credits
Starting point is 00:17:45 here. Oh, he's been working. My thumb is scrolling. My thumb is scrolling. Any previous episodes? Because I feel like this guy just came up in something. It shows up a lot. What's his name? Eric, I've just... It's Art Evans. He was in Bushwhacked, uncredited as Marty. There you go. That's it. There we go. Yes, he is the boss. Oh, thank you. He's Daniel Stern's boss. Right. At the courier place in Bushwreck. Oh, that was going to bother me for weeks. But so, like, McLean is just walking through the airport. It's Christmas
Starting point is 00:18:15 week, everybody. Oh, yeah. It's sort of like Christmasy, I guess. Oh, he's a detective in the original Fright Night. Speaking of Christmasy, you can... Security Guard and Tough Turf? Oh, boy. Oh, shit. Eric's getting excited.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Speaking of Christmas, Eric, you can listen to our Christmas, we love movies episode on an even better action Christmas movie, which is lethal weapon. That's right. Out now on Patreon.com and also out now on Patreon.com our sinkable commentary to the original diehard. That's true. Why did they ever do the original diehard?
Starting point is 00:18:47 already did. You could also hear this ad free there as well. Yes. So part of the thing that's going on, like it's all over the news in the airport and everything is you're hearing about the Republic of Valverde. Once again, shared cinematic universe with
Starting point is 00:19:03 Commando. Thank you, Stephen E. Susa. Oh, yeah. Incredible. That is in fucking sane. So Dan Hadea El Presidente. Yeah. Overtrown, thanks to John Matrix. This dude, the general, I guess, of his army that maybe just got out of there in the
Starting point is 00:19:18 Ramon Esperanza. Dude, you're making, because I was thinking about this with the other day, you're pitching an even better what if movie than,
Starting point is 00:19:25 remember when everyone was a buzz about the Vega Brothers movie? I want Van Valverde the movie, which is Dan Hadea calling the shots for Franco Nero.
Starting point is 00:19:36 And the only thing that'll stop us this time are the two Johns, John Matrix and John McClain. Dude, yeah. How did they biff that fucking team up?
Starting point is 00:19:45 It's right there. Are you telling me that, two men named after the toilet are coming here? That's the trailer line right there. The toilet boys are coming. Oh shit, dude. That's what you call it too. Here's always been my problem with this movie.
Starting point is 00:20:02 The plot, I mean, the plot of Die Hard is a fucking diamond. It's just like he is stuck in the goddamn, in the thing, in the tower, terrorists take it over. Oh, no, he doesn't have any shoes on. And it just goes from there. It's just really, really easy. just like what's that when Mario, Mr. Mario brother is going up to defeat
Starting point is 00:20:22 Donkey Kong. Sure. Who's thrown the barrels? Yeah. Is it the top of the tower? In the game Donkey Kong you're talking about. It took me thinking to not say King Kong.
Starting point is 00:20:33 This is where I'm working back. Right. So Mario Mario is going up through the tower to defeat Donkey Kong at the top throwing those barrels. Hans Gruber anyone? He's got his wife next to him, Princess.
Starting point is 00:20:46 all you had to do for a really good diehard video game. I didn't play the diehard video game. I think there was one. Yes. There's a couple of them. But if you just had him throwing hammers and shit at a fucking an ape named Hans Gruber. You'd have some. Oh, God, you're one of them. You're going to throw a barrel at me,
Starting point is 00:21:06 aren't you? Those Germans with their beer barrels. Now I have a hammer. You call me an Italian? Sorry, Steve, you were saying, I don't remember. No, but the plot, I do, because I always remember. Thank God. It's just so, like, it's so perfect that you even say, oh, you know, fucking speed is just
Starting point is 00:21:30 die hard on a bus, because it's so simple. This movie is so goddamn complicated with the politics, with, this movie isn't even die hard at an airport. It's die hard at an airport at a church that also kind of sort of goes back to the airport. Well, it's all really the same property lines, Steve. But we're also kind of doing like a riff on like Noriega and all of the North and all like the. So the politics are very interesting of this movie. This like the CIA is like, you know, evil dog shit.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Well, it's a military. I mean, the military more so. But yes. Like that I do like who's the bad guys. I'll tell you that much. Sure. Exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Oh, yeah. Well, I think part of that is like this was much like, diehard was like this is just based on some book that they found and turned it into a diehard story you know and I you know this was a book 58 minutes I think I was going to say 58 pages I like that I believe somebody's dad wrote read the shit out of this book
Starting point is 00:22:34 oh absolutely and then they were watching this movie and they were like wait a second this plot sounds awfully familiar let me rife through my brown paper paperback books and five ah yes 58 minutes here it is. Let me get to the stacks. I don't mind that it's not the exact same location thing.
Starting point is 00:22:51 No, I should be the plot is very, it's very sweaty, it's very complicated, the ins and the outs, when John Amos turns, you're like, I guess so. Like, it's, it's just like, there's so much going on
Starting point is 00:23:02 that it just drowns out the action for me. I agree. And also, like I was saying before, every single shot is dark. And it's just, I don't know, I wanted a little more out of this. And this is how I felt as a child as well.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Well, That's also true of Rainey Harlem movies in general. He's very dark, like fucking not just long because adventures of Ford Fairlane, that fucking movie is, there's a fucking something over the sun the whole way. Yeah, well, that's the best for the adventures of Ford Fairling. Keep that shit in the shadows as much as you possibly get. You're lighting interdice clay, you know. Yeah, exactly. But also like, I mean, you know, deep blue sea, you're underwater the whole time more or less. That's all dark down there. Except for Holly's playing when it's always golden hour for the entire. this here's the thing whenever we cut to holly mclean it sucks i'm sorry it's pretty bad it doesn't it doesn't need to be this is the part of the movie that i'm like you didn't need to mirror the
Starting point is 00:23:55 sequel so much like she does not need to be involved atherton's character does not need to be in the movie they are both in the first movie it has to happen it's just it's not a negotiable thing like the foot thing the fact that they allowed that not to happen yeah means that everything else has to be in if that's the one give all the the the the the the weird office stuff has to look all the same as the weird office stuff. In the first one, it all has to look the same. Well, hang out a second. One is like grody-ass airport police station office and the other one's a really gorgeous Los Angeles 1980s high rolling.
Starting point is 00:24:31 What are you talking about? I don't think it's very, I think they do. I think you have to watch the eye heart again because they're both grubby as shit. Well, because you know, like there's a lot, to Chris's point a little bit, there's like vents and there's elevator shafts. And there's the fucking machine rooms. And this whole movie's are machine rooms. All those like big blocky like viewing like things. They all look like the same stuff from when he's wondering around the office upstairs. Big blocky viewing things.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Like what are you even talking about? When you're an airport controller, you know I have to look at a thing like to do your job. A monitor? A monitor. There, thank you. Okay. Like that's what I'm talking about. But the big...
Starting point is 00:25:12 Three syllables. The big blocking, like, you know how it comes in like a large thing that has like three stations out of it, right? Like the air traffic control? Like the desk with the whole monitor system. So where a diehard one is that computer station? Oh, when he's... They hack into it, right? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Well, they hack into it. And then when the Ruber reveals himself, it's in a place where there's just hundreds of those things everywhere. A lot of, a lot of this. Got it. it's all the same shit, you know what I mean? But I mean, look, I think the, but the Holly stuff is out of control. It sucks. But way back, fucking 15 minutes ago, what I was trying to say about Holly being in the plane, what I like about that is the light level, like you mentioned like Golden Hour. But what that is, is the exact lighting that an airplane should always be.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah. It should always be the kind of dim. Yeah, you can read if you want to. Yeah. Right. And that's it. You get on these planes where it's lit like a fucking hot. you can forget that shit. Please turn the lights down. It looks, aside from being stuck in the air and your plane's running out of fuel, it looks like a very comfortable ride. Yes. I mean, you're supposed to look at
Starting point is 00:26:24 Molly and just be like, or Holly and just be like, oh, her. Yeah. It's very glowing and like, angelic. Like, I'm supposed to view her as McLean might now and it's just a little too much. And it's, you know, it's sad and in a way because it's the only female
Starting point is 00:26:40 character in this fucking movie, right? Well, That in the Annoian news character woman Which is not she's not in it that much Now that would be like Have you paired McLean with her longer? Yes maybe She Holly beeps McLean
Starting point is 00:26:55 And she's picking up the phone on the plane And I don't know I've never seen this before I mean I she's in first class It looks like right and she's not She's Satherton has introduced bitching about how The plane was overbooked and he's not in first class Right but could he at least get the first class meal.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Well, I got to tell you then, if that's the case, if this is what flying in the 80s was, because I know that the airlines have like economized every single inch of space on an airplane now. Right. She's just at a two-for with this old lady, dude. It looks like first class to me. I know. That's the thing. It's 1990 fucking economy, dude, but it looks pretty awesome.
Starting point is 00:27:33 She's able to page him and get a call back on the airplane. I love this line. She answers the phone. It's the 90s. Microchips. microwaves, faxes, and airphones. And his response is correct, by the way, that I think progress peaked with frozen pizza.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Yeah. And it did. It did. Sure. Meanwhile, so, like, it's Christmas week. You're like, I gotta go pick up a Holly. I'll be back in like, I don't know, two or three hours. Yeah. He's like, hey, Holly, when you get here, we're going to get a fucking motel and I'm going to rail the shit out of you. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:05 We'll just tell the kids to go fuck themselves. That's, I mean, I guess that's a benefit of Christmas week, dude, is you could like roll up the road, get some sort of, like, you know, day and a half fuck fest going on with your wife. And you can get back to the in-laws before, and no one's missing the holiday. It's not mentioned, is it, why you flew out there before her? No. It's also not me.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Yeah. I mentioned why, yeah. Work, I assume, because she has work. She's doing. Oh, she's got work. That's, but that's always been my curiosity. Like, is she still at the same company? She's got a folder.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Does she? Yeah. Okay. I never noticed that. But, like, that's, I want a little bit about, like, that's a thing. Maybe she took over for Mr. Takagi. Now she's running the place. That is someone.
Starting point is 00:28:46 You're on the fucking phone. And it's like, oh, sorry, John, I got held up, you know. Or it sucks that, you know, to, you know, I'm the new Takagi. I got to do whatever. You take the kids out there a few days early. You'll hang out with my mother. But I guarantee, Nakatomi, you're the, you're, your, your, your, your miss is murder at Nakatomi. Well, that's, that's like, I can't fire her yet.
Starting point is 00:29:11 But in the year, she is out of year. Oh, that's true. Once the press stuff sniffing around every day. Everything that Nakatomi does, it's like, how do we change our name? How do we change our logo? How do we get as far away from this fucking tragedy as possible? Very true. Very true. And I
Starting point is 00:29:28 would be curious the ins and outs of how that, you know, Nakatomi straight up. It's not happening. They're closing. It's gone. It's done. It's over with. Something like that happens. You're just gone. I'm sorry. In the third movie, he's divorced, right? Yes, he's divorced. that's how this should have started
Starting point is 00:29:43 I mean I cut this fucking thread you could make a Bonnie Bedelia thread a would be great if she wasn't in peril like Princess Peach and B but you know you could have a decent enough Bonnie Bedelia thread but the William Atherton part is where it just
Starting point is 00:29:59 gets like you can't do it you just can't do it and also it's a weird happenstance like oh you're on this flight are you kidding me well because I think that the balance here is because you have like Sam Coleman mostly does the like with the exception
Starting point is 00:30:15 of like one thing does the right thing through most of this. Yeah. And it's a positive portrayal of the media. That can only go so far. Yes. So you need the other way to be pushed back very hard. So you have something like William Atherton doing this bathroom deal and like it's just
Starting point is 00:30:29 you're right. Again I got pissed off at a lot of little things in this but like I enjoy this movie quite a lot actually. But it's true like I hate to say it, but I get rid of all the on the plane stuff. Yep. Wipe it all.
Starting point is 00:30:46 You know how if you want to have like a major female character in this, get the fucking former politician Fred Dalton Thomas the fuck out of here and have that be a woman. Yeah, that'd be great. That's a major character that can talk and have some agency. Or here's what it is. Like he's flirting pretty hard with that rental car lady. Sure.
Starting point is 00:31:09 you have that lady you cast her you know with somebody of note sure and it's like for whatever reason uh oh now this employee from the airport has to help follow me around I like Chris's idea and you know what Candace Bergen as the air traffic control lady like
Starting point is 00:31:26 McLean you can't be running around my airport fucking done for me I love to see her landing strip anyway no I heard she's just it's completely bald down there no you did I heard that From the internet, maybe. Or maybe a family friend.
Starting point is 00:31:43 That person in the internet. Well, Andrew, it's your confirmation. Let me fix your tie there. Just so you know, Murphy Brown is bald as a bear down there. They're going to lie here and say it's, there's a landing strip. But it's bald down there. Nothing wrong with either way. That's, dude, that's, Steve, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Because that's exactly what happened. I got confirmed because, you know, you go up there and it's like they get the bishop to do it. Of course, yeah. And what it is is like you get a, you know, the confirmation happens. at a time and then you get like a couple seconds to sort of wrap with the bishop. Of course. And it was like, oh, you know, your holiness, like this is such an honor
Starting point is 00:32:17 of all, blah. And he just leaned in and he was like, Candace Bergen, shaves are minch. And I was like, wow, your holiness. Thank you so much. Murphy Brown, more like Murphy Ball. No, why don't you bish hop on and get done with this confirmation? And look, I do like this idea of the airport
Starting point is 00:32:36 employee that's flirting with him. But she is fulfilling a role from the first movie again of the stewardess who was fucking flight attendant who gave him fuck eyes the minute he passed. I will blow you the second you get off this plane. I'm going to marry. I always appreciate the move that he does in this with her. She's like, oh, you know, I get off in a couple hours
Starting point is 00:33:03 if you want to get a drink. And he just does the like, I'm going to wiggle the way. wedding ring, like, sorry, toots. Just the facts, ma'am. Just as that. Which is, that's kind of a pretty funny line. Not bad. Not bad. Meanwhile, you've got...
Starting point is 00:33:17 Sadler? Sadler. Well, first, you get Sadler. Holy shit. I know. This is a golden hour. Oh, this fucking asshole is beautifully... Speaking about fucking shaved like a bald eagle, dude. Just nude like Tai Chi showing this fucking body.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Holy fuck. He's got cum gutters. He's got gutters for every fluid you got. Oh, absolutely, man. Well, the thing was... sadly, so Steve, you had that joke about Andrew when you inevitably watch the diehard 2 4K, let me know about the asshole. I want to report back.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I did my darnedest, but this movie has not yet been put on 4K. It's just the first one as far as I can tell. But on the Hulu stream, dude, I'm my big ass TV. I was looking at it. There is a little something. Oh, yeah. I think I could get in there. It's dangling sack
Starting point is 00:34:01 situation. Just the littlest Sackler. If his last name was Sackler, he'd also have some things to fucking. Yeah, that's true. He'd be part of the shittiest family in America. Well, he's so much better. I mean, he's very good in this. He's a very compelling villain. Oh, yeah. But it's so funny that he became such a comedic actor.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Yeah. Even like, even Shawshank, which is a dramatic performance, movie, he's like the dopey guy. Right. And then death, Bill and Ted. Right. Yeah. Which I was pleased that he reprised his role as death in that third movie, and it was delightful. I still did you see it. It's a good time, man. I fucking tear up at the end every time. I think they did a really good job with it. You know, I saw it, but I don't remember it because it was during the pandemic, right?
Starting point is 00:34:44 Oh, yeah. I was crippling an alcoholic, then and now. Yeah, I was going to say, what's the difference? It's this week. So I remember this week only. You've added more weed on top? I wish, Chris. Well, so this is what's crazy about it.
Starting point is 00:34:59 So, Steve, your whole stuff about, like, the politics is confusing in this movie or whatever. It's understandable that you would feel that way because the exposition dump about what is going on. There's so much. But it's happening on this television broadcast
Starting point is 00:35:14 while he's doing nude Tai Chi. There's no possible way any level-headed viewer can pay attention to the politics on the CNN when these cheeks are just kicking and punching. This aggression will not stand
Starting point is 00:35:27 from Val Verde. That's where we're at with this exposition. Because, yeah, he's, the general there was stop at the commies, but then, like, he was using some U.S. funds to funnel in cocaine, et cetera. He's a Noriega surrogate, is what's going on here. But you, there's so, I was actually watching it this time, like, wow, they're really giving all this information in this news report, but I'm just trying to find out of this dude's beanbag is on camera.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Well, that's the general thing. Is it cut or what? Oh, yeah, general, whatever, yeah, whatever. The CNN just starts talking about, and those balls are just beautiful. look at them the spherical shape there loop you're beautiful but yeah so he he then gets to the airport he gets
Starting point is 00:36:11 he dries his balls off a real fucking rogues gallery of character actors oh my god dude it's insane I mean you got Mark Boone Jr. in this movie you got fucking John like Wazamo in this movie for like two seconds and he's dubbed and he's dubbed I did not spot him at all
Starting point is 00:36:29 I can't believe they dubbed him I didn't spot Mark Boone Mark Boone is one of the guys in Robert Patrick. Yes, in the Robert Patrick ambush scene, but you don't know it's Mark Boone Jr. Because he's got, I will say, an unsettling looking sensible haircut. That's the young Mark Boone Jr.
Starting point is 00:36:48 He looks nothing like the main of time. Mark Boone Jr. Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah, like he looks like it's Mark Boone Jr. Like he was still doing like average Joe job interviews and not like a working actor. Oh, that's too bad. He didn't fucking get like the sons of anarchy
Starting point is 00:37:03 look that brought him all the way to Sons of Anarchy. And the great Vondi Curtis Hall who's fantastic? Yes, dude. By the way, if you want some class A Vondi in your life, man, that new justified city prime evil. Oh, is it really? Pretty fun.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Vondi's one of the fellas in it who's getting up to some trouble. He's fucking awesome on that season television. I got to finish that. I stopped because I got annoyed by the daughter. She's... The dirter. She's only in it for like three episodes. Oh, good.
Starting point is 00:37:33 I got to get through those three episodes then because he had to have his daughter acted of a project. Oh, I see. It ain't great. It's a nice thing, but it ain't great. And I think they knew it wasn't great because, like, seriously around the third episode, he's like, he snaps her neck. He's like, I can't,
Starting point is 00:37:48 I can't do my job if I have to constantly worry about you being in trouble. And she just gets sent back to Florida. And then a justified season happens. Thank God. And it's awesome. All right. I'm going to go back. Highly recommend it. Anyway, so like, but the weird thing, I mean, again, like the confusion, the muddle of this movie, like, again, you know, McLean is like curious. It's been a while for an OG diehard, probably since we did that commentary. But like McLean, you know, he gets thrust into the action immediately. Here, he's like sniffing around. Like, the fact that he follows these two dudes into baggage claim, like, I don't know, dude, maybe these two dudes are going to blow each other. Is that okay with you, Mr. McLean?
Starting point is 00:38:28 Stop looking for fucking trouble. Exactly. There's just two dudes They're having drinks like one goes one way That he picks up a package And other goes another way Picks him a package. I get it.
Starting point is 00:38:40 It's Christmas week. What the fuck? They also very noticeably See two cops approaching And do the old Put that shit down, put that shit down And stop talking to each other Well, I do that now and I don't have anything.
Starting point is 00:38:51 But it is that dumb thing of like He's also now like this ace detective Where before it's like a jammed in and get a done detective. Yes. This, like, you see him doing cop work, and I don't buy McLean as that kind of cock.
Starting point is 00:39:05 He's not Sherlock. And that's what he's doing in this, like, airport bar scene. It's like... Truman cigarettes, drinking scotch or whatever. That's what I want to watch him doing. I want to watch him getting drunk and smoking a pack right there.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Remember, he's not even going anywhere. You could just walk into an airport back then and do that. Absolutely. With a fucking gun. Absolutely. With the intention of driving your wife somewhere after. Oh, no. Oh, no, sir. He knows that he no longer has to deal with that. Oh,
Starting point is 00:39:33 you're right. He doesn't have a car no more. He's going to taxi to the fuck motel. Oh, I thought you were saying that he was going to make the wife drive the car. The initial, the initial plan before the towing was even, I'm going to get there. Then I'm going to get wasted. And then when Holly, after her L.A. to D.C. flight has to drive to the parents house. And you know what, dude, it's stolen Valor for an airport picker-upper to be drinking. You as the airport passenger need to get loaded.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Immediately, the second you get in there on the plane, you know, I remember one time Andrew Eric and I were waiting our plane got delayed in Milwaukee and we were in Applebee's and we had like maybe six margaritas and then it was like, oh shit, we have to do a lot of stuff because the flight is being
Starting point is 00:40:18 rerouted. Cancel. Canceled and then rerouted. Not reroute. We had to like, they were like, we can get you on flight to maybe Philadelphia. So folks in Milwaukee, that show cost us dearly. We had to fly to pencil fucking Vanya and then get the Amtrak
Starting point is 00:40:34 home and then the Metro North. We were absolutely blasted when we made those plans. A couple of details. Definitely was an airport Applebee's situation. We watched the entirety of the World Cup final game that was happening that year. And then it was
Starting point is 00:40:50 like, oh, now you have to make all these other accommodations such as like buying train tickets and shit because you're flying to a completely different city. We were trying to get to O'Hare or whatever. There's no flights. It's that fucking Midwest bullshit, right?
Starting point is 00:41:04 And then, you know, this kind of ties into Christmas. No flights out. Oh, no. It's all booked for the next few moons. It's always booked out because everyone's trying to get the fuck away from there. But we loved it. I actually really like Milwaukee.
Starting point is 00:41:17 I love Milwaukee. That's a good show. Just fucking sucked ass getting home. But so he's just absolutely getting loaded. He's like, oh, those guys look like, I don't know something about those guys. What's great, too, is those guys, one of which is Vondi Curtis Hall
Starting point is 00:41:30 and then this other dude who looked like a scumbag. I went to high school with his father. Sure. So I've always kind of in my head. I'm like, oh, that looks like someone so's father. It's just kind of funny. But they, when they leave the table,
Starting point is 00:41:44 there is a wealth of empty beer bottles and glasses and scotch tumblers. And I'm like, you guys are about to commit a terrorist attack. Like, you really need to stay sharp. You got to loosen up. And I mean, it's not, with the exception of what happened with Sean McLean, they didn't think they'd have to do much.
Starting point is 00:42:06 They thought they'd be in and out. We'll agree that the saddest death of this movie. Is this old-timer church caretaker? It's amazing. I love that. Oh, my God. I think part of me is dying with this church closing. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:42:22 And being shot up by these guys. It's amazing because the establishing shot is like these two guys or in like, I don't even a fuel, you know, electric company truck or whatever they're posing as. Yeah. And there's, I mean, and there is like, I mean, it's probably the most best shot of Reddy Harlan's entire career. This bucolic shot.
Starting point is 00:42:37 Again, it's Golden Hour, the church. Jen comes in, she wasn't, she didn't watch the movie with me. She just kind of walked through that. She's like, what are you watching? This shot is beautiful. I'm like, it's diehard too. That church has nothing to do with anything. Regnie Harlan's die hard too.
Starting point is 00:42:51 And that moment would have sung more if there was something going on with the score a little heavier. Like, you know the third movie would have been hitting it. Oh, yeah. I'll say, just because I was writing down some stuff for the end of the movie here,
Starting point is 00:43:02 this was shot by Oliver Wood. We're talking about the cinematography, who just died this year. But that guy... RIPD. Look at this shit. Face off. Ford Fairlane.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Oh, baby. Bogus Journey. Soon-to-be episode at some point, maybe in 2024, Celtic Pride. Love it. The first three-born movies. And then way, way back,
Starting point is 00:43:22 one of his first gigs, he fucking shot the Honey, moon killers. Oh, beautiful. Yeah. Nice little career. So there's a reason this kind of looks okay. This guy gets absolutely a nice. It's like, yeah, a little piece of being. Yeah, you got that right. Oh, it's so good. Oh, my God. Wouldn't you love to do that to someone? Wouldn't you boys like some watery
Starting point is 00:43:39 soup? Oh, no. Oh, it's so bad. And then I love this dude. I've always loved this line. The guy gets on the radio and he goes, this is Buckwheat. The clubhouse is open. Oh, yeah. Because you remember, we're all little rascals. And we're just being little pranksters and shooting people in the head. But there's no alfalfa.
Starting point is 00:44:01 There's no stymie. There's no the rest of them. It's just this one guy's got the fucking little rascals. I guess you don't hear, like, I bet you Cochran is probably alfalfa. And since he gets shot in the head by John McLean. Oh, sure. Or no, I'm sorry, get smashed. Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:16 And the baggage thing. Yeah. He just executes this guy by shoving his head in a hole. Under like this roller that is supposed to like, rolled down. And like, first of all, this is probably one of the more gruesome deaths of the movie. But you don't even see it like, yeah. That's true. But I do here's the thing, dude, I will always take
Starting point is 00:44:31 legs a jiggle at you. And you definitely get that going on. Like, just kick him. I'm okay. By the way, McLean tries to be reasonably. He tries to go to the cops. We're like, hey, I'm seeing something, saying something. But it's Robert. What's your problem? And he's like, oh, fuck me, I guess. And then he just kind of goes away. And the move
Starting point is 00:44:52 is just to wait for your wife, dude. I tried to see those cops. I don't know. Maybe this is a drug deal going out of the bathroom. None of my fucking business. You're not going to have those headaches and alimony in the next movie if you let this play down. You're totally right.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Oh, wait, she'd crash into the runway. Well, I don't know. I think there's a world in this movie where I think the British plane, like nothing bad happens. I think literally this Noriega guy gets away and then some drug money moves from one ledger to another. That's a great point because of his meddling. All those British plane.
Starting point is 00:45:23 passengers are killed. 200. I mean, it's a tragedy what happens in this movie. It's brutal. I mean, they're all British. And it's Washington, D.C. This is some fucking payback for 1812. Yep, finally got him. Finally did it.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Finally got that. It is, I mean, I remember watching this as a kid, and I should say we didn't do our histories here with these movies, but we had the first three on VHS and we watched them repeatedly. I've seen the first three diehard movies at least 20 times
Starting point is 00:45:55 a piece, you know, including this one. But that part, I remember watching it as a kid and like, you know, I mean, we'll talk about it more when we get to it, but like, it's brutal. It is. It's a good moment. It's a good moment. It's a great moment. They show you the inside of the play. Yes. Oh, yeah. And it's not just like, oh, 749's coming in a little too.
Starting point is 00:46:16 No, no, no. It's just like you, you meet people. Yeah. Meet people. Yeah, meet people. That's what they become. It's just meat. That's good eating. He goes in and he's like, yeah, let me see some ID and then they start like, yeah, we have like, yeah, we have an idea. Like, we work here. That'd be enough for me. I'd be like, oh, sorry, sir.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Exactly. You're in baggage claim. You don't know what the fuck these guys are up to. It's on your goddamn business officer. Leave me alone. I love right here. He starts flaunting his shit because like Vondi and the dude who looks like the guy went to high school's with father going to the door there and it's
Starting point is 00:46:49 locked and he gets this guy's like, hey man, come over here. You got a key for this door. And he's like, yeah, why? And he fucking whips out this LAPD badge. He's like, because I want you to open it. That's why. Are you, like, oh, Jesus. Are you that guy from the naked Tommy Tower?
Starting point is 00:47:07 Close enough. Open the door. But then he goes, oh, are there cops around here? And he's like, yeah, like the airport police. And he just goes, go get him. Because he knows he's about to fucking murder something. Oh, yes. Are you the guy that strangled his wife on a boat?
Starting point is 00:47:25 No, that was the same episode of 2020. I was the A block. That was the B block. I get that so much because what happened is if you went to the bathroom right in the middle of the show and then you came back, there was that one commercial break. No one knew it was going on. They didn't know the story change.
Starting point is 00:47:39 You went from wife murderer to wife hero and everybody thinks I'm the wife murderer. Because I tanked the interview and the other guy did really well. Although I understand it. He's from Virginia. The guy on death row did great. I clamped up like a loser.
Starting point is 00:47:55 But yeah, cool action scene here. Our first one, it takes a while for our first action scene. Yeah, it does. We've had some glistening butt cheeks, but that's about it. But this is great, you know, he kind of like shows himself like, hey, what's going on here, guys? They start fucking shooting out immediately. I like all this stuff. Yeah, this dude getting his head crushed is magnificent.
Starting point is 00:48:19 It's a choice death. Vondi gets away here you know without like getting a good look at McLean or whatever. Not enough bicycle shenanigans we get that bicycle for half a second which is pretty great and it's not even like like he's not even riding it he's doing
Starting point is 00:48:34 like one foot is on the pedal and he's using the bicycle like a scooter. He thinks it's a skateboard I think it's a skateboard I'm going to sketch I want to know because we're talking about like it's Christmas week and Dennis Franz is going on and about all these people in the airport or whatever.
Starting point is 00:48:54 How do you have like this the back room, the inner workings of the baggage handling? There's not a single technician in this huge warehouse size office. Bruce Willis is running around. They're shooting guns at each other. There's not a single other worker here. There's always guys tossing bags under the conveyor belts to go upstairs to your little baggage claim, right? I think that's where he goes with the bicycle is that. part of it. Some poor bastard
Starting point is 00:49:22 is just waiting on the fucking on the carousel like I guess oh my bag has a bullet in it. Oh cool. Chad is a fucking joke they left on the table. People waiting at baggage claiming the head of this dude Cockray. That would be pretty funny. Comes up on the conveyor bag. I love that. It's just
Starting point is 00:49:38 the head floating around and just like Swiss cheese suitcases. And I guarantee you that one of those overzealous assholes who has to touch every fucking bag even though he knows it's not it. Oh, I think that's mine. Oh, that's mine. Every fucking baggage carousel has a, it's a black bag, oh, no, I'll lift it, let me jiggle it. Oh, it's not my. I'm sorry. That looked like my lock. I'm sorry about that. You ever catch? A human head?
Starting point is 00:50:00 Oh, no, no, it's not bad. You ever catch one of them fuckers in the act, though, with your shit? No. Oh, I did once. Oh, would you do? It was magnificent, dude. This guy starts a jocelyn and a whatnot. Jocelyn, you're belonging. Given my baggeril once over and I'm like, hey, asshole, it's just the tag. The name is on it. You don't have to touch anything. But he's like looking at it. And I walk. over and I go thanks a lot and just I literally took
Starting point is 00:50:24 my suitcase out of his hands and walked away. Get your hands to your god you know what your bag looks like. Keep your hands to yourself. One lady once was like, she just came up to talk to me in baggling big mistake and I was just like, I was like very different like what the fum!
Starting point is 00:50:39 She wanted me to help her take her bag off. I'm sorry you should have packed lighter lady. Oh of course you know as long as you don't make me watch it for you and she's like, what? I'm like the joke It's like a joke Oh sorry
Starting point is 00:50:53 Sorry ma'am I'm making a 9-11 joke No well Is that a 9-11 You know No no but it's just Watch your bag It's an airport joke
Starting point is 00:51:00 It's an airport joke It's an airport joke That we only cared about That situation After 9-11 What did she do? She didn't like it She didn't like it
Starting point is 00:51:09 But I got her back Okay That's good Would she then she kick you In the shins or something No I walked away Good for you
Starting point is 00:51:17 You sound like you wish You were kicked in the shit I kind of yeah I don't know. Just go full hog or don't. No, it's better for you to be the bigger man in that situation, Eric. I think it's right. There's almost an interesting thing where, like, McLean loses
Starting point is 00:51:30 his badge and I'm like, oh, fuck, this guy can't do that shit anymore, but he immediately finds it. It's such a bullshit thing because they're like, where's your badge? And he, you know, feels his waistline. He's like, uh, on its way to Cleveland? It makes a terrible airport joke. And then like in the next scene, they're like,
Starting point is 00:51:45 sorry about the mixup. Here's your badge and gunback. yeah and uh this is where we meet fucking uh officer lorenzo denish franz oh he's so fucking good i mean he is great he's fun i love him like he's just loud and wrong the entire i don't i don't want to hear it mclean there's no such thing as a terrorist yeah i would shut down the airport for some punk stealing luggage don't lecture me hat chat i don't want to be hearing from some guy who passed the physical part of the cop exam while others of people in the room
Starting point is 00:52:23 possibly did not. Yeah, whatever you say Mr. Universe can do a pull-up or two, whatever. McLean has like one of the most confusing jokes ever written. It's just like, what sets off the metal detector first, Lorenzo? The lead in your ass or the shit in your brains. But he has to be such a bad confusing joke on his way out. He has to go, fat fuck.
Starting point is 00:52:45 He does get one fat fuck. fuck out there. Because he says it's like some bullshit lie like, your brains are your, the train that you brain makes. It's like, you know how you're, the metal detector?
Starting point is 00:52:57 It goes off from metal like the lead in your ass. It also detects shit. Or maybe it's your bull. Wait. Brains as we always know are made of metal. Fat fuck. You know, it's like,
Starting point is 00:53:12 he pauses like, oh crap. Maybe that joke didn't make sense. Quick, call him fat. Yeah. fat fuck yeah i got him you're still you're still number one john and i read they let him ad lib a lot and i was like is this original bruce willis or is this in the screenplay i know the the comedy was bigger in the movie than the screenplay of the first one so they tried to amp up the comedy hey bruce if stephen e susa
Starting point is 00:53:36 wants to call me a fat fuck wants to call carmine lorenzo a fat fuck on the page you could do what you're just can't be adding fat fucks wherever you want man that hurts my feeling yeah all right let's go back through the past couple of takes with your ad libs here. Fat fuck, fat ass, fat loser, fat butt, fat brain, fat cheeks, butt cheek. Let me ask you something here, buddy. I work
Starting point is 00:54:02 with Jimmy Smiths all the time. You don't think I know I'm a fat fuck? Excuse me. I mean, I'm sorry. That Adonis has made fun of my weight more times than you can count, Bruce. All right? NYPD Blues a little after this.
Starting point is 00:54:17 A little bit after, but it's a... Because he has to talk... He has to learn how to talk like a New York guy to be on that show. Because right now, you ain't buying it. He's part of the NYPD Blue, all right? I'll be honest. I didn't believe it when NYPD Blue was on.
Starting point is 00:54:32 That I was like, you're trying. Again, the line with the leash. Be Officer Sassage Shipper Win. You know, honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, interesting correlation between this movie and NYPD Blue, right? Because one of the things everybody always talks about with this movie is what we talked about already. Of course, Sadler's glistening butt cheeks.
Starting point is 00:54:53 I think there was two times NYPD Blue made huge headlines. One, when Jimmy Smith, they killed his character off later on in the program, that was a big deal. But also, Dennis Fromm's showing his naked ass on network television. I got it. We get a Miller High Life after I'm done fucking. Look at my ass. Oh, hey, Bill Sadler. Yeah, it's me, Den Franz.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Yeah, remember in Die Hardder or whatever that movie was called there? You showed your glistening butt cheeks. We'll tune in to ABC 9 p.m. this Tuesday. You're going to get another glistening moon, baby. All the kids out there, they see too many good asses out there. It's time they saw a dumpy ass. Yeah, that's, welcome to your 40s. Here's your dumpy ass.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Look at my real fucking moon crater ass on national television. Yeah, that don't glisten, do it. No, don't. It's a dead space back there. That thing ain't glisten since the bicentennial. Let me tell you. Apparently Sadler, when he found out he had to do this dude scene, he didn't sign on for it. He's like,
Starting point is 00:55:59 could you please move it to the end of the shoot so I can, like, get an incredible shape. Oh. And I don't think that that... Yeah, you could do it on Monday. Uh, well, you can do it free Monday, a free Tuesday. No, no, no. On Wednesday, I'm swamped with diarrhea.
Starting point is 00:56:16 Let's do Thursday or later, actually. Wait, prepare for what? I got the script. It's good. I got the lines. I got them down. Yeah, I memorized my lines, and then I show my ass, whatever.
Starting point is 00:56:29 What I got to prepare for? Do you need me to shake it a little bit? Because I'm sure you might want to have the ladies in the crowd leave. He's got a really great, like, just fighting with McClain or whatever. He's like, I know all about your Nakatomi thing. I really love the way he says L.A. He's like, in L.A. Yes. Oh, fuck, it's great.
Starting point is 00:56:48 He was an underrated dude. I mean, I think he's just retired. He just doesn't act anymore. Is that right? Yeah. Has I, have I told, I saw Dennis France in real life. He went to glistening ass or what? No, I wish.
Starting point is 00:57:01 He was a award screener for her. Oh, wow. Did anybody get it? Well, I'll tell you, he might have asked that while he was leaving halfway through. Oh, wow. he's dating his computer haven't even heard of anything Asinine is that fucking loser
Starting point is 00:57:20 A man after my own heart I've never respected Dennis Franz Moore Not a fan of her I liked her I like her quite a bit Even Andy Sipowitz didn't have to get laid this way You fucking weaner I don't know just go after Runei Mara
Starting point is 00:57:35 She's all over you buddy What are you doing How stupid can you You know what I'm walking out Oh wait She's a memory Oh she's a next you know, I didn't get it. I'll be on. I'll be frank with you. I didn't get it.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Fuck that movie. Oh, man. So, uh, one of the dude, the, the, the dude that he crushes his fucking head in the conveyor belt thing. The, the mortician guys, the body bag fellas are taking the body away. And this is like he's doing some clever detective in here. Like, he runs out and he's like, oh, oh, geez, mortician guys, they changed the policy. And I got to, uh, yeah, I'm just going to use just a quick piece of loose leaf paper that I found to just do the fingerprinting really quickly here. Could you let us do that, please?
Starting point is 00:58:19 No, no, no. New policy. Got to do it here at the airport. All right. Okay. Science has found out that the longer a dead body sits, the fingerprints are affected, so we got to get them. That makes sense. So you're the one knows about science. Not, okay. And if you were
Starting point is 00:58:35 to ask, Die Hard, too, like, hey, what if you waited 30 seconds to not repeat something from the first movie, what would him. It would be very painful. Because immediately it's been 79 seconds. Now we have to bring in Reginald Val Johnson. I'm sorry. For no
Starting point is 00:58:50 I hate it. I hate it. I love the guy. I love him. I love him but I hate it here because it's so lazy. But you know why I can't hate it though, dude? Because this is the last we ever see of Al Powell. And I have to take them scraps dude. I would love for him to
Starting point is 00:59:06 come back in. Like you said, I get Intel again somehow. And And there's a thread there instead of like, remember all your friends from Die Hard the motion picture? It does become a all your friends are back with this. And like, you know, whatever. I will say it's very nice since he fucking got over his gun shyness and killed that terrorist at the end of the first movie.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Sergeant Powell is now Lieutenant Powell. There's a little bit of promotion there. Not too bad. He is eating his Twinkies. He absolutely is, which is great. I just, I fucking, Reginald-Vell Johnson is just one of those dudes. I love him. You know, I've loved him from Die Hard and Urkel, of course.
Starting point is 00:59:47 I just wish he was we've did more than just a camera. I do, I've always, I've been wishing that since 1990. If the trivia is to be believed, that's because he was too busy doing family matters. Like, Family Matters kept him from having a larger role in his movie, which I think would be, that I agree with it. If it was like two scenes, just three scenes or something. Miss an episode of Family Matters. Officer Winslow has to go on vacation or he's going to a fucking Taser
Starting point is 01:00:15 conference somewhere that week so he can't interfere with Erkel's shenanigans. Speaking of Tazers, that old lady on the plane sitting next to Holly. He's showing off this giant taser. I've got them all, Hunter. There's box cutters in this person. Everything.
Starting point is 01:00:29 You know, I tortured my dog a little bit with this. Dude, that was insane. I was like, throw that lady out the plane. How about that? Later, she's got some line like, I should have taken a bus like that Porker Willard Scott. Well, here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:00:44 She, no, she's railing against weather forecast. Sure. We shouldn't listen to the weathermen like that porker Willard Scott. And I was like, lady. Willard Scott is just the dude wishing people 100 years birthday. Like, if you took that guy
Starting point is 01:01:00 as your serious weather, like, he'd be like, oh, and this woman's 100, and that woman's 100, and that man's 100. Also, I don't know, it's going to fucking rain in Chicago. way back to you i just want to kill this old woman she sucks that's all very interesting young man and i i take your point but tell me this is he not still a porker well i mean you got me there so maybe you shut your mouth willard's got was a porktastic individual the word porker call me a fad ass yeah exactly or a fat fuck i'd rather be a fat i'd much rather be a fat i am a fat fuck i'd much rather
Starting point is 01:01:35 recall the fat fuck, then a porker. Well, Coach, she knows that's where it hits. She knows, like, and getting you as close to pig as possible. Oh, yes, I know all the tender points to slice, my dear. Oh, I have so many fat grandchildren.
Starting point is 01:01:52 And I fry those babies up like balona. I make sure that they feel terrible all the time. Well, then, she's a real grandmother, then. That's true. You look like that because your mother gives you too much candy.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Oh, you think poker is bad. You should hear some of the things I say to little Ronnie. Oh, Emily was crying yesterday. And it's all because I told her I wish she'd die and her parents started from scratch, whatever. I just told her that good people don't eat candy. We need to stop the elderly. We do.
Starting point is 01:02:27 You know? So Al Powell's whole thing is like, oh, these prints came back. This dude died in 1988 or whatever it is. and also a long list of military affiliations, paramilitary, this, that, and the other thing. Real long list of, you know, all this to say, these dudes are not just some punk stealing luggage
Starting point is 01:02:50 like Dennis Franz thought they were. Maybe my least favorite line, and I don't count the new two, the two new diehard movies, which are not real diehard movies. They don't have lines out of. Those are fake movies. Those are fake movies.
Starting point is 01:03:00 In the entire diehard opus is when Reginal Val Johnson's like, you got a feeling good buddy when you get a feeling people need to change your insurance policy and I'm like oh that sucks yeah not everyone needs to be funny in the whip smart action film yeah that's the thing like if someone can't do a one liner yep it's totally fine and not to knock reginal val Johnson's comedic chops like he definitely has them it's just a bad line but like you can tell like a written to be funny line if that makes sense like oh this one's really going to slam yeah It's like that's, that's a bad joke. It just sounds awkward coming out. It just, like, you're, it's too wordy in a way, yeah. Like the lead in your ass and the shit in your brain line. Like, it just really takes too long to say. Fucking fine, Rennie.
Starting point is 01:03:49 I'll, I'll close. We're going to take out the part of the script where the limo driver comes back and pilots the airplane. But you are going to have Reginald Val fucking Johnson. On set, you son of a bitch. Well, it worked out. because the limo driver came back for that fucking Duracel battery commercial.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, finally. We should get the ghost of Hans Gruber to hold a fucking proton pack with him. Yeah, him and Hart Bockner are doing it. Was he dead? No, no, I mean. Oh, yeah, of course. I think God, Hart Bockner is still with it.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Director of PCU. Absolutely. Protect him at all costs. It's important. But so, like, this is also the fax machine bit with the sexy stewardess whatever. Hell yeah. And yada, yada, MacLean fucks off. This is when he just winds up in the control
Starting point is 01:04:43 tower for reasons. He basically just like gets there or whatever. This is where we're introduced to Fred Dalton Thompson, former presidential candidate. Fred Dalton Thompson, former fucking Law & Order star Fred Dalton Thompson. American Hero. The funniest thing about him. No, he's not. I mean, almost
Starting point is 01:04:59 all Law & Order from that period, but it's hilarious to watch the Fred Dalton Thompson ones because he's like, well, I'll just execute him. New York State has the death penalty for another. It was like a three-year window when New York State had the death penalty again. And they executed zero people. So he was from way down south New York.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Yes, exactly. Yes. That's the whole thing is that he's like super southern. And like he's a good friction with McCoy because McCoy is very Eastern liberal type thing. You know, Adam wouldn't have killed all these people like we're trying to do. Yep, yep. Well, double homicide. It's like execution for me. Oh, bank robbery. Better execute them all the same there. Never watched Law and Order. I was more a fan of crime and chaos.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I don't like to root for the police on these shows. And those shows are like, especially after 9-11. Ooh, dogey. So Fred Dalton Thompson, which is what we're talking about. Yes. Is this big, big cock of the walk inside the thing? Oh, yeah, yeah. Mr. Dulles Tower here. Yeah. And then this is, we meet Art Evans as Barnes also, who's basically like the second in command, although it is that thing of like, he's definitely way more knowledgeable about stuff
Starting point is 01:06:09 than Fred Thompson's character is. Mr. Technology. And like, you know, I think friends are get out of here, McLean, there ain't no terrorist. Oh, yeah, here it comes. The CIA is going to take care. And then immediately, here comes William Sadler,
Starting point is 01:06:24 like gentlemen. It's kind of a cool visual. The light strip for a landing strip goes dark. Yeah, which is pretty cool. the hostile takeover begins. We should quickly mention William Sadner's line to the news reporter when she says could we have a few words. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Here's two. Fuck and you. It's so good. God damn. It's great. And him being recognized at the airport. I mean, that's how eventually McLean finds out who he is. Sam Coleman gets the fuck you. She tells him about it. And he's like, oh yeah, he's a piece of shit. Okay, maybe he's the guy who did it.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Oh, it is him? How weird. He followed me on my disastrous nightline appearance. Oh, that's right. that guy but yeah this is all the lights are shutting down every goddamn system
Starting point is 01:07:10 is dead like I love this dude's raspy voice it's so great and you know it's like oh my God then they got a phone call from you know
Starting point is 01:07:18 we are the people that are doing this by the way there's you know that there's a plane coming in and what you need to make sure
Starting point is 01:07:24 that it is well-fueled and no one touches it and then we'll put the, we'll put everything back as we saw it and then like, but until then no planes can land. So it's just dangerous for these planes. I get it. But it is a very straightforward thing. Like this one plane is going to land. You're going to let it do it. Meanwhile, we want a brand new gas-up 747 ready to rock and roll and you're not going to touch us. You know what? My problem
Starting point is 01:07:52 brain fart here. Could you give us the whole crew to like, you know, check the tires and all that? We don't have that. We kind of need those people. I never. I didn't think about this. Could you load it up with those little liquor bottles? How many nuts and cheese can we get up there? We're going to want the guy with the cones. We're going to need him. He's got to get out there.
Starting point is 01:08:13 We need a lot of people. To your point, Chris, yeah, it's not a fucking van with keys in it. That's a fucking 747. Well, because it takes 30 people to fucking take that off. Because at the end, when you do see the fucking thing, when they're opening it, there are the guys doing it. There's some guy rolling a tire. What's crazy, though, is like when they're,
Starting point is 01:08:31 like and whatever jumping around does not matter like you get to the end of the movie and they're trying to make the escape and a jango there is flying the plane as General Esperanza there and fucking William Sadler says to Frank O'Neer he's like all right general do whatever you got to do
Starting point is 01:08:50 because you're the only one that can pilot this thing and I was like but William Sadler why would you not have at least a couple of other dudes on this crew that are capable of piloting a plane why can't you pilot the plane? Why is it just Frank O'Neer? Two teams of bad guys that get married to each other. There's like 40 dudes on this plane.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Somebody else should be able to fly the plane. Thanks a lot, smart guy. You don't think I had pilots. Who do you think Robert Patrick and fucking Mark Boot Jr. Well, that's a good point. That's why they were hanging out at the unfinished part of the airport. I would have liked Frank O'Neer to do more. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:24 He kind of does nothing in this movie. Well, we beat him. He's on the plane. Was I nuts? There's no, no subtitles, which I think is really, really great and stunning for 1990. But it's one of those, like, even if you don't speak Spanish, you can totally figure out what's going on. Like, the guy's like, no, I don't have authorization to do that, blah, blah. And it is like that it's bad that we see so little of it because he is kind of is, kind of is, like, a Hannibal Lecter, kind of like, oh, I just want a cigarette. And then, like, the next time you see him on the plane, he's strangling that kid.
Starting point is 01:09:59 I want to see a little more of that. It was a sloppy takeover that he eventually does. Maybe you should let them land for you and then... Yeah, absolutely. He kills those two pilots and it's like, hey man. Oh, now all my instruments are fucked from the bullets. Yeah, oh, fuck, the cabin depressurized because I shot the windshield.
Starting point is 01:10:21 I mean, he might be getting high on his own supply there. Oh, that's a great point. The Booker's sugar might be driving him. By the way, uh, uh, Franco Niro Star. of Enter the Ninja, one of my favorite bad movies of all time. Hell yeah. Favorite good movies. Enter the Ninja Mentory available now.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Patreon.org slash me 8 movies. That is, I was one of my favorite commentaries to do because it's just such a fucking ridiculous movie and Franco Niro's in like every scene. Also, because we are as sloppy as hell. So whatever. Frank O'Neuro, yeah, fucks himself by fire. I mean, that's later, but they've taken over the airport.
Starting point is 01:10:57 the Raspi dude's got an idea, art, whatever his name is, has an idea. If we go to this other tower, right, the Skywalk annex, this new fucking tower array that they're putting up for these new runways. And this is where, again, this is a thing, and as we talk it through now, I'm realizing
Starting point is 01:11:15 it is a genuine problem with this script. Everybody's getting one-liners, because here's this part with this guy, art whatever is like Barnes. Art is the actor's name. Barnes is the character's name. He's like, oh, yeah, get a transmitter and then we can go on this frequency
Starting point is 01:11:29 and they won't be able to hear us or whatever. And this guy who's like air traffic control guy number five is just like, oh yeah, well anyone want to run out to Radio Shack and get an airplane transmit? And I'm like, dude, we just... Actually, that's a good idea.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Could we get somebody to do that? But this is also part of the problem of the movie for me because I don't find it very compelling. There's so many lines about like, we need to hear this on the radio, get this frequency, radio this, radio that. Oh, I wish someone had the code punched into this walkie-talkie so I could listen to them on
Starting point is 01:12:02 the radio. Oh, wait, this one does have it. To your point, let's talk about the radio again. It's not interesting to watch people troubleshoot technology on film. And I mean, that's the thing. The action scenes are good, what sets them up aren't. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Basically, they wind up going to this other tower for all of these complicated reasons.
Starting point is 01:12:24 And McLean follows him, I don't like it. McLean gets kicked out of the airbag. Get the fuck out of here, McLean. Yeah, now you're fucking banned, all right? And then this is, he meets Marvin, the, I guess, solo airport janitor. Yeah, that's right. I cleaned the whole thing. Yeah, slash fan of the opera.
Starting point is 01:12:43 This guy's living in the basement. He knows all the secret. I thought you was trying to steal my records. You need to fold this character into something else because there's just too many characters at this point. Yeah. McLean's got all these helpers. Well, you know what? Clip another one.
Starting point is 01:12:56 I love him. I agree. This genre is fantastic. I love this guy. Tom Bauer, great character actor. He's in recent episode, The Postman, among several other things. Dude's been around. He's like, I collect ketchup packets around the airport. That's, I just live here. He's doing what all old men should do is listening to songs solely about towns. Yeah. It's an old Cape Cod town he's listening to now. New York City songs. I bet she loves them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Some L.A. city, you know? As long as it's about a structure. Just got to be a town or a city. And the way that he gets to this love Randy Newman. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You're talking about Randy?
Starting point is 01:13:37 They blew up on Nakatomi Tower. We love it. Oh, my God, a plane's could crash. Only Walker save him. A Pluto bug up. Gives a dog.
Starting point is 01:13:57 I ha ha, the boop-boop. It used to me, did I'm not your friend. They used to call the World Trade Center. But, so this whole thing, the dude's like, oh, yeah, to get to the whatever the fuck annex. Yeah. I guess you could just go through this way.
Starting point is 01:14:16 And then this is him crawling through pipes in this movie. And he's got to happen. And he says it. He's like, wow, wow am I in this again? I'm like, don't, don't. fucking say. How could the same shit happen to the same guy twice?
Starting point is 01:14:31 Oh, yeah. Let's see if it happens three or five more times. Also, be sure, Bruce, when you're saying that line that the trailer camera is also on you getting the footage. See, this is why, I mean,
Starting point is 01:14:43 you know, you see this title and it sounds really official, but it really is just more of a continuity thing. The script supervisor needs to be someone's like, oh, okay, actually on page 68, that when he says, how can the same shit happen
Starting point is 01:14:55 the same guy twice? that's him referencing the first movie really directly like oh me oh my how can this happen twice we can't have that happen ever again in the movie like yeah holly can't say it later on you know what i mean he can't say it later on also get the one and done you've got it it's done i'm the script supervisor therefore i am not allowing this to go forward i rennie we didn't have the limo driver you say yes to everything you understand that where is Argyle the limo driver
Starting point is 01:15:29 he was in 45 drafts of this before we got to this one you know what then fuck you 30 years from now I'm gonna make a battery commercial and he's gonna be the star
Starting point is 01:15:41 of it I will get my revenge so they get to this fucking amex and whatever and here great pre T2 Robert Patrick man he's just like what are we I don't remember with the set of is what are we or whatever the line is and he just goes
Starting point is 01:15:57 a sitting duck it's something like hey what do you think I look like or whatever that's right a sitting duck they're on the people mover the SWAT team is on the people mover I love that the entire SWAT team takes the people mover are you kidding me he cuts the power
Starting point is 01:16:14 hey what the hell is what are we that's right we should say so what's going on here is that Barnes is going to this annex and the security around him is Dennis Franz's like crack ace airport SWAT team that just gets
Starting point is 01:16:30 butchered. And it's crazy because there's like nine of those guys and like three maybe four Robert Patricks and these terrorists get the drop on these guys.
Starting point is 01:16:41 Wait a second. Dressed as painters. No, I would have never guessed. I just love this guy getting the head shot. That's the dude who was the sitting duck. Yeah, you told me to look for
Starting point is 01:16:51 you told me to look for anyone suspicious. Painters aren't suspicious. This is where, yeah, Mark Boone Jr. gets killed right here. The funniest thing about this is that John McLean finds out about this because Marvin has like blueprints from like the entire city of D.C. plus Dallas Airport. You'd leave those with the janitor. Sure. Why, he's just a collector.
Starting point is 01:17:14 He's a collector. And John McLean, because he is the smartest man that ever lived. That's true. It looks at a blueprint. It's like, oh, that's a bottleneck formation. and that's going to just, that just invites an ambush. And I'm like, God, fucking, really. You know, you're Napoleon, dude?
Starting point is 01:17:31 You had to lay that down for me, really? Couldn't surprise me a little bit. And art will have the cannons here, here, and here. They'll run out of the lake here. Perfect. I love the last guy from this team of terrorists or whatever, because it's like, of course, McLean comes in, kills all these dudes.
Starting point is 01:17:49 We mentioned the dummy under the scaffolding, which is really funny. It's the last guy. I've always loved this guy's delivery. he's like, I'm going to kick your fucking ass. It's a little Stephen Segal-esque. It's kind of cool because the gun is on
Starting point is 01:18:02 the people mover and it's like who's going to get the gun first? Yeah. And McLean grabs like a pipe and like presses it on and he's running after the gun. Gets to McLean first. He shoots this guy dead. Which is hilarious because the guy is literally holding a
Starting point is 01:18:18 firearm. Right. What a moron. Maybe he forgot. Maybe he forgot. Like when I walk around the house, being like, where is my phone? Oh, sure. It's in my hand, isn't it? It clicks empty because that's why he's going to go kick his ass. Oh, yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:18:32 You're right. You're totally right. Good job. Crip supervisor. That's, ooh, who's got promoted? From podcast. My, I'm a script supervisor for a movie that was come out, came out in 1990. I know you can be very proud now.
Starting point is 01:18:48 Folks at home, Adam on IMDB, Chris Crab and script supervisor, die hard to die harder. So right as Barnes is now all safe. They're a bad to go out there. Uh-oh, the antenna ray blows up. Oh, it's just a way to kill some time. Just a distraction. And we go back to the, the big tower there. And this is when, you know, this is when fucking, you know, he's like, hey man, I was just trying
Starting point is 01:19:14 to do a normal terrorist thing where I was going to steal my general buddy and it was going to be just fine. Right. Now you just forced my hand. Guess what? British flight United 91 is going down. This is a great way to kill people too because you
Starting point is 01:19:29 lower the altitude. It's wild. Below sea level or whatever it is. 200 feet? So yeah, so they think they're 200 feet higher than they are so they're just going to go right into the fucking cement. It's so fucking dastardly, dude. This sequence haunts me to this day. It's fucking
Starting point is 01:19:45 great. McLean does his best. He's like on a fucking torch out there to try. He's really trying, man. I got to give it to John McLean in this scene. Like he's making two little torches out of shit trying to help these guys out. And it doesn't work and Paul Meaney and all the little Grammys blow up.
Starting point is 01:20:01 But then he's fine. It's like really close to him and he's fine. The sadism of the scene for Rennie Harlan, I really appreciate. Because like, you know what it's almost 20 minutes of like, oh, what are you going to do when you get to Washington, D.C.? Well, I always wanted to
Starting point is 01:20:17 see the White House. The old lady's one thing, but the flight attendant putting the little boy back in the seat. You know, my great-grandfather burned the White House, and I would like to take a peek. And here's
Starting point is 01:20:33 little Billy's flame-retardant doll that we have right here. He's going to hold it very close to him. What's crazy, they do another, we're going to ape the first movie, but where in the first movie it actually
Starting point is 01:20:49 mattered and had consequences. This movie it means absolutely nothing is so the whole thing is like saddler's communicating with them on this open frequency thing so like he can hear everything that's going on in the control tower and they can hear him and bruce willis comes in and says something and franz fucking lorenzo was like oh god damn it mclean you stupid fucking moron and then sadler has to be like oh mclean this is where he mentions the nightline i think he's like oh yeah i saw you you didn't do too well on nightline blah blah and i'm thinking like okay in the first movie when Rickman finds out McLean is McLean, Holly gets in trouble.
Starting point is 01:21:27 So then you assume it's going to be like, oh, McLean, like on this airport, airplane manifest, I just saw. Oh, that's your wife, is it? But that it doesn't happen. It happened after a long heated argument about getting Robert Davy back in the movie. Oh, sure. They decided not to do it. So like, all right, then you owe me one. You fucking listen here.
Starting point is 01:21:49 There's going to be a helicopter in the life. assack. Do you fucking hear me? And maybe Robert Davy isn't going to be on that fucking helicopter. How dare you deprive the audience of Robert Davy? This is a diehard movie. That's what they're expecting. Yes, maybe they want to see Bruce Willis, but they want to see Robert Davy. You went a little hard against Dukakis. We think it would divide people. Of course. Yes, yes. We've heard all your notes, Mr. Davy.
Starting point is 01:22:15 Thank you for coming with this table read for Diehardt, too. but so this is when what do you call it there the great Columnini no Oh the great Columnini Yeah crispy critter now Oh yeah
Starting point is 01:22:29 He's doing like a fucking English accent Which is pretty funny Yeah And this was like you know He's in like the pilot of TNG Like he's not Miles O'Brien at that point But he was on that show from the jump in 87
Starting point is 01:22:41 Add that time to be trivia He was in the pilot TNG in here He's a pilot Smiley face Dude sick trivia of Brian Press helpful. Press thumbs up for helpful. I didn't look, but part of me,
Starting point is 01:22:55 because I was scared I would find it and I would really lose all my, any hope I had for humanity would really be gone. Oh, yeah. At the beginning of the movie, when the tow truck is leaving, the cop says, see you, Murray,
Starting point is 01:23:09 and come back, even though this is not his name, by Bill. It's like, did you know that Bill Murray is actually? And I was like, if it's in there, Because I can't stay for sure Is it. Trivia. It'd be great if the tow truck guy
Starting point is 01:23:23 came back at the end to like pick up the fucking burning wreckage off the goddamn tarmac. You answer me this, Randy. You answer me this. Why can't the limo driver be the tow truck?
Starting point is 01:23:35 Why are you so stubborn about this? Yeah, now Argyle's just towing cars in D.C. And why can't McLean be taunted by the ghost of Hans Gruber? And why couldn't his new sidekick be? I don't know. Whatever. Mr. Takagi's nephew. How about that? As for the haunting of, uh, by the Hans Gruber, your wade him picture.
Starting point is 01:23:58 We'll get to the third one and we'll get to that. Honestly, these movies would have gotten better once to get into the fourth and fifth one, which are the fake ones. If it was a ghost scenario, I'd be more on board. Um, yeah. Anyway, so the chopper lands. The chopper land, the great John Amos shows up. Fuck yes. Yes. Yeah. And he just built like a brick shithouse at this movie. You do not want to be fucking with John Amos. No. Terrify. You know, like, oh, good times. He's the dad, but he's always big dude. Like in this movie, it's like, oh, dude, I don't want to fuck with this guy.
Starting point is 01:24:29 No, no, no, no, no. I barely wanted to fuck with him on Good Time. This is like, you do not want to mess with this dude. He steps off the copper. He is a major grant. Yes. Here is the character's name. He used to work with Sadler in some capacity.
Starting point is 01:24:43 I taught him everything he knows. Yeah, there you go. Well, maybe he learned a few things since then. Shit for Braille. this is oh yeah isn't colonel stewart one of your man and john amos has to be like not anymore you're like oh interesting and you like i mean i saw this as a kid uh i haven't seen this movie in fucking forever so i was like oh yeah i remember he's crooked and then like the movie kept going on yeah so i was he crooked oh yeah there it is it's a lot of movie before he reveals himself
Starting point is 01:25:11 to be crooked and there's a lot of movie already by the way in case you're wondering it's also i don't know, it's boring and I guess maybe it makes sense logically for the characters in the film, but the blanks and the bullets, the real bullets, the blue bullets, the blanks. But the thing that they don't explain through all of this, though, is like, so these two sides, so Sadler and Amos, like, they're, like, lined up and whatever, but there's a thing in the middle where someone tells, like, Dennis Franz and Fred Thomas and everybody, like, oh, hey, things have gotten so bad, like, the U.S. government is sending in a team. Sure. But where is that connector where it's like, oh, good thing it was
Starting point is 01:25:54 John Amos's crooked team that's in on the plan. Great question. You need like either someone's intercepting a phone call and it's Sadler's terrorists that are like, hello, US government. Oh, yes, we'll definitely send a team to the airport. Or they kill them along the way. Like, oh, are you here to help the airport police? And now Amos goes in. You know what? I don't want to anybody involved with this guy beforehand. We're already in a touchy situation. Whoever the senator was that really grilled him that day, have him pick out the guy who's going after him. I want him to, the most corrupt, like vicious motherfucker to go after William Sadler, please. Oh, so Barnes like cracks this like outer marker frequency thing where he's like, oh, it just beeps, but we could
Starting point is 01:26:43 it's more of this like techno-gobbledy-gook stuff where it's like oh yeah we rewire this and then we put the frequency of this and then Mr. Big's limo is going to be coming back to Chicago on Friday like it just makes, I mean I'm sure it makes sense to like tech people maybe. Jordi and Data talking to each other
Starting point is 01:26:59 about reversing polarities. And it's fine and I just wish we got there sooner maybe but yeah that's just a lot of radio talk and the whole thing it's like all of this techno babble to say oh now we can talk to all the planes and the terrorists won't hear us doing it so they're able to tell all these, you know, planes that are coming to the airport, like, hey, if you're not yet past the outer markers, reroute to another airport, because we got some terrorist shit going on here. We can't be dealing with you landing. Don't tell anyone. And then William Atherton's on his little, like, his crew member has a frequency that's picking it up. So he's like listening to it.
Starting point is 01:27:36 And he gets so, you can see this dude's dick get hard. Like, the idea of like this story. coming before. I'm like, oh shit. I'm going to be able to go on the news with this great dick whatever his name is story. Which is great because like diehard logic is as such. If you're a guy with a gun, just go in and interrupt a bank robbery, interrupt anything. Yeah. And it's that's, that's, that's, that's going to lead to really good consequences for you. Thank you, Mr. Patriot. Exactly. And, uh, but you're just some, you're some news reporter trying to get information out that people don't want you to get out, that's going to cause a panic. That's bad. Yeah. And it's true. It does cause a panic in the terminal, which by the way, we don't see enough of. No. I would like more in the
Starting point is 01:28:24 terminal. A little more terminal carnage. Yeah. Also, you know what? You're using your celebrity to get some things going on here, John McLean. Yeah. I think you need to go out. Go, you know what? We need bodies. We need people who are willing to put their lives on the line to stop these maniacs. Sure. there are so many cop worshipers out there you just go out into the sea of people out here and just be like I need you to help me with something I'm John McClain I need you to help me stop these terrorists
Starting point is 01:28:55 and you are going to get so many fucking idiots willing to hold a gun and go out there for him you get he gets his own John Amos squad if you did do more like if he's hanging someone in a Starbucks or something like that like there's more to this than just the darkened alleys of behind an air, like the part of the airport
Starting point is 01:29:14 you don't, the airport's bad enough. The part of the airport you don't see is nothing. Yeah. And this movie takes place in the space between spaces. I don't like that. I will say I like the tower. I like the tower. I think it's a cool. The tower is very Star Wars in there. I like good job McLean. Now there's a panic in my airport. People are biting each other's necks off at the Wendy's. I mean, there is a part where like, You see Dennis Franz in that sea of people after Atherton does give the report a little later on, getting trampled all around him.
Starting point is 01:29:47 He's like, you get that goddamn piece of shit car. Never mind the thousand people exiting it once. Uh-oh, crowd crush. I was kind of thinking of the opening of fucking Thanksgiving during this. Ooh, crowd crush. You should get a couple of people down. I mean, that's the thing is William Atherton cannot, like, it'd be so funny if you cast him as like a loving, and something, like, just something
Starting point is 01:30:12 funny like that just to do it, because like, like, even like, if Chris, if Chris McDonald couldn't do Happy Gilmore, he would have had to play that character. Chris McDonald kind of took his, took it for the nine, took the baton in the 90s. For the bet. I mean, Chris. Oh, yeah. For sure.
Starting point is 01:30:28 He mean, he's the best. He is. You should get Christopher McDonald in the new Ghostbusters movies. That's what you need. Leave my beautiful boy alone. They need a dickless character in them movies. I don't want any more. The movies just have Paul Rudd making quips here and there. You should get a bunch of magnets in that Ghostbusters
Starting point is 01:30:44 movie to fucking erase the fucking footage. That's what that movie needs a bunch of fucking magnets on the hard drive. No, that should be in the editor. That should be in the editor's contract. Like, no, I just like having magnets around me. It's very comforting. Listen, just two words. Tax right off.
Starting point is 01:31:02 Okay, that's three words. But think about it. So what I love is Sadler is making this insane speech to the man or whatever. like the dominoes will fall no more and the ramparts and then like you know he's just going off on something and this dude has to like wait and be like excuse me colonel but uh general Esperanza's landed it's like oh you caught off my big speech did you uh yeah this is when mclean shows up to because he's like it's it's the most spurious reasoning at all of all
Starting point is 01:31:35 because he just like you know uh franco deero lands this fucking damaged plane. He's like, ah, there I am. I've landed. Then McLean gets him's like, I'm going to use you to bargain for my wife. I'm like, no, you're not. That doesn't like, no. And that never happens. Those two characters have nothing to do with each other. He's just there to be in an action movie and it's fine. But blah, blah, blah. He gets stuck in the, in the cockpit. I think. They use an axe to like Jimmy the door closed. Freakardier gets the better of him. And then this is when they throw all the grenades inside the cockpit. Good thing they're slow active grenades. Dude, what are we doing? If movies have taught me anything, they explode immediately. You got like five to nine seconds. You have a lot
Starting point is 01:32:19 that's a say, mother. That's it. Precisely. That's it. Now he's just like, oh, oh, no, there's more. Oh, wait, there's even more. What time is it? Okay, wait. Let me see. Oh, shit. What am I going to, okay. All right, they've been here for 15, 20 minutes. Let me get into this injection seat. The ejection seat, make sure I get
Starting point is 01:32:39 gotta be safe put the little seatbelt on here gotta be safe well if you launch yourself out of the fucking injector seat without that you screw reasoning with a grenade the grenade's exploding but I'm agreeing with the strap in you got a strap in Sadler is like oh how many grenades you guys have we have three each sirs like throw them all in I'm like maybe we'll hold on to one each you know what I mean
Starting point is 01:33:01 like you never know when you're going to need a grenade by the way this this excellent ejector seat explosion and Christopher McDonald reminds you to stay tuned and a half. The movie Terminal Velocity, anybody? Yes. Charlie Sheet is a skydiving instructor. Christy Swanson, I believe. Stasia Kinski, my friend. Wait. And so the chase is Christy Swanson? Now that I've seen. Domino's Pizza.
Starting point is 01:33:27 We have to do the chase. Yeah, yeah. Because Dalton Foss's daughter has been taken. Maybe we'll do a Charlie back-to-back. Oh, yeah. That would be something. No, wait. Terminal velocity, you've seen because of your father's skydiving. Of course. Yeah, of course. We saw the theaters. I never caught it. So is, wait, is Charlie Sheen the main guy? He is. Christopher Dolls is the heavy. James Gandalfini is in that movie, sir. Don't worry about it. It's not as deep as the chase has an insane fucking cast.
Starting point is 01:33:54 But this, that turbo velocity has a lot of surprises around the corner. But man, there's a lot of Sheen we haven't done that. Sheenuary might be something here. Men at work. I saw that at work. That's the WLM, obviously. The arrival. Yes. Where the alien. knees bend the wrong way. You got Ron Silver in that. And then I recently watched this, the rookie, the Clint Eastwood movie.
Starting point is 01:34:17 Clint Eastwood, Charlie Sheen. Chris Gavin's Santa Claus impression. Raul Julia is the villain. Wow. It's really, it's where you want to be. It's weirdly really bloody. It's fucking weird. We'll do a Sheen mother next.
Starting point is 01:34:31 Maybe. Comment below. I like that. But so you know, he escapes and they're like, he got out of there. Let's just go back to our hideout. And then something, something, Barnes is like, I have a map. The hideout has to be here because the movie has to know it. Yeah. It's all this stuff about like, is amazing like raspy voice. Like, oh, yes, several years ago.
Starting point is 01:34:56 And there was airport renovation. And they changed all the wiring to here. They had to change this. You know, because of flooding. And I'm like, kill someone. Somebody shoot a gun. Can an explosion have No, no, why don't we just stand in a dark and hallway and maybe look at a map? And they wind up going to the church. This is what John Amos is like, you know, we'll take it from here. I'm sorry, the first is McLean v.
Starting point is 01:35:24 Outside Hedgeman with the icicle to the eye, which is the best kill of the movie, I think. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. I mean, John Amos is. John Amos. John Amos won. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:37 Ice Pick eyeball two. paint scaffolding dummy three. I like that. I'm happy with that order. And the fourth. Headshot. It's a solid. The People Mover Headshot is also pretty.
Starting point is 01:35:49 Headshot. Just a general headshot because there are a couple. Headshot. Here goes Eric quoting agrodrift again. Yeah, I'm a monster. Headshot. Harmony Curran's AgroDrift is coming soon, folks. Not to this feed, but as a movie.
Starting point is 01:36:06 Maybe. Somebody's releasing it, I'm sure. Andrew and I saw it at the New York Film Festival. It's the movie that's like it's all in heat vision and they're basically, every character is an NPC from an action game. They're basically trying to do a video game movie. It's very bizarre.
Starting point is 01:36:22 Harmony Corinne made a movie that was unwatchable. Hold on. That's what makes him a true artist is he's finding new levels of unwatchability. Like what if, you know, trash humpers, you would think that's unwatchable enough. But no, no, no, no. a movie that argues that
Starting point is 01:36:38 the future of cinema is video games and TikTok. No, that's the one. I'm a monster. I'm the best I will say the beach bum was one of my favorite movie. The beach bum is an excellent movie. See, because that dude you know, broken clock and whatnot goes in and out. I've still never seen it because of my
Starting point is 01:36:59 heart and I just can't do it. You've got to do it, dude. You got to fucking do it. Ring breakers and beach bomb. Turn your key, sir. Watch beach bums, sir. Turn your key. I'm assuming you've already seen spring breakers or have you not because of that too. It's actually good. It's good. Those are the two really good ones.
Starting point is 01:37:16 That would be a great double feature. Yeah, actually, that would be good. So anyway, General Grants or Major Grants, whatever, men get into it here with Sadler's fellas, big shootout. Very pointedly, let's change our clips from red to blue. It's very, you know, absolutely. I mean, if you haven't seen this movie before, you don't notice that. No, you don't. But I mean, if you have, you're like, oh, they're on double dare. Although I don't. It is the exact shade of red and blue is double there. You're right.
Starting point is 01:37:43 I don't like, because like there is one show, when they're in the back of the van with and Amos tells them to switch it, there is a blue one right in the middle of the frame. Like it wouldn't be hard to see. And then if you saw all the other guys, be like, oh, wait, what fuck's that? But yeah, they're, they're firing at each other snowmobile chasing because it's love a good snowboard. Because our director is finished. Got to get that in there. I had this thought while watching this snowmobile chase. That snowmobiling's really fun. Well, probably, yeah. It is.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Well, I haven't been. Oh, really? You bet. Very much. Several times. I grew up driving snowmobiles. Yeah, with under the tutelage of one fucking William Sadler. Is that what you're doing?
Starting point is 01:38:23 Working some mercenary army? No, growing up, you know, we go up north to my dad's, you know, hunting cabin and whatnot. Some of the fellas had snowmobiles driving around the forest. I had this thought. because I didn't remember what a snowmobile was called and I wrote down jet ski and I was like, why, and this is probably someone's bad stand-up bit, but why aren't
Starting point is 01:38:41 they jet skis? I mean, it's ski, it's like literally, it has more to skiing has more to do with winter than water. Sure. Cross-country jet ski. And what's the deal with snowmobiles? They're getting very dangerous here at this snowmobiling because when McLean shoots that one guy off of it, you see the snowmobile kind of
Starting point is 01:38:59 land, it definitely hits like slushy ice, like, driving on something that's kind of thawing out maybe a little bit. Very dangerous to be doing that. At the end of this why can't I shut that guy 14 times in the face? What? Of course. What's the line? He's got, oh, I had him right in my sights.
Starting point is 01:39:18 Me, John McLean. I've killed over 100 people. No way I'm in this. And then it's kind of, it's one of my favorite parts of the movie when he goes back to Oh God, yes. He goes back to Franz and Franz like, McLean, I've been wrong 14 times. I got to be right. This 15th. And they're like, no, you're wrong. again because John Amos says, why the fuck would he be in
Starting point is 01:39:38 on it? Those guys were fine. I saw them. They were shooting at each other. Dude, Willis just opening this machine gun full of the blanks in this police station. Somebody is shooting him. Someone shooting him with the back. Are you kidding me? Someone with a fucking machine gun is shooting your boss?
Starting point is 01:39:53 You're like, take the shot. I don't know, man. As you just said, shooting your boss, which in this movie is Dennis Franz. And not for nothing, I feel the fantasy of most working Americans is murdering your boss. You see that play out that your boss is dead, then you shoot
Starting point is 01:40:09 the other guy. I also kind of think of it's more like one of those situations of a how do you shoot John McLean in the back? What if you miss? Excellent. Because John McLean is coming for your ass by the way. He's a team. He will come
Starting point is 01:40:25 for you. That's the plot of Die Hard 3, writing some wrongs. But yeah, it'd be great if it's I was like, yeah. All right, yeah, we'll do that, McLean. I got to, I just shit my show. I really, that was fucking terrified. Fuck, I'm, uh, you know what, I got to go to the locker room for a minute there. This crazy LAPD officer made me ship my romper. I don't want to sound like a coward, but I do, I feel I should go home to Ellen.
Starting point is 01:40:50 If you get to be a heart attack and he just died, they're like, you killed him. Well, no, it was blank. Look, there's no bullets. He's dead. Yeah, no, well, you know what? I didn't, I didn't make bullets loud, all right? It is kind of great. actually, because when the gun is going, and of course, like, anyone would look this way. So I'm not trying to act like I wouldn't, but it is very funny watching Dennis Franz scared. And he's like, he's got his, like, arms up in front of his face. It looks like there might be shit coming out of that ass. I think you were getting some turrets, dude.
Starting point is 01:41:18 Oh, great, McLean. I'm at work, and I just sharded thanks to you. Fantastic. Oh, no, that's, oh, boy, that's some coffee and water mixed in the front of the pants there. You know what, McLean, I'd fucking love to tell you that this was put. wouldn't, but it ain't. All right. And I didn't even get to finish my goddamn Italian sub, but I just shut the other half out. You call it put you, you know they're putting smooth, don't you, McLean? You know I like having a full sub in my belly. But now I shit half of it out
Starting point is 01:41:48 before I finish. Thanks, McLean. Now I got shit my pants and I'm starving. I don't know why I'm explaining all this. I should be going home. I should be going home. But this is also tangentially happening when the airport panic is about to because like now you know Franz is on McLean says like let's go kick some ash and then the panic happens brutal part here oh please with John Amos's squad
Starting point is 01:42:15 oh yeah when they're rolling out and this is this is one of the first instances I'm not saying it's the first instance in cinema by any means but at the first time I think I personally as a movie viewer encountered one of these wish we had you back in Grenada because we're just talking about this previous mission and clearly this is where this was all set up
Starting point is 01:42:36 and there's this one guy who is the son of Ryan O'Neill I looked up, this fella here oh and he was he was for a while with Rebecca D. Mornay. Wow, good for you. He's the filling guy. There was a guy in the team
Starting point is 01:42:53 that had appendicitis who couldn't make the mission. So this guy's the last second replacement. and he's like, oh boy, sir, I really wish I was with you guys in Grenada. And John Amos has to be like, yeah, me too, Billy, and just cuts this kid's throne. Yeah, it's a good moment. It's a real good, and it's a good, like, it's a horror movie throat cutting. Oh, yeah, it's a Mrs. Voorhe's quality throat cut here, absolutely. I guess it's a good thing that he wasn't in like a good movie, like Paper Moon or something like that because then his father didn't hit him.
Starting point is 01:43:26 everybody know that story no what happened he like hit tatum o'neill when he found out she got the Oscar over him what Ryan O'Neill yeah is that right yeah interesting that's like oh right O'Neill is the biggest fucking piece of shit is that right he's got
Starting point is 01:43:42 an ego the like I mean if you read stuff about Kubrick on Barry Lyndon he was a nightmare this was on like in spy magazine there's like a bunch of profiles of him that have been very open about like I'm trying to think I want to say the only Ryan O'Neill movie I've seen as Barry
Starting point is 01:43:58 Linden? Like I never saw Paper Moon. Zero effect? No? Never. The driver? No, I've never seen the driver. It's good. Is he the titular driver? Yes, he is. Yeah. You know who else is in that? Bruce Stern. Oh, hey, man. Pull over, driver.
Starting point is 01:44:14 Yeah, get driving, driver. Bruce Dern and Diehardt too. Now you got yourself a motion picture. Come on, McLean, you fucking jackass. Yeah, he wouldn't resort to fucking toilet talk. Like, wait. Shaming and whatnot, you know? But so, meanwhile,
Starting point is 01:44:30 Holly on the plane because that guy was getting itchy about the Robert Dobby stuff, she has to shock Atherton because it's like punching him out and it's like she stops his The old lady's like, I'll get the cockpit with the box cutters. Oh, she's doing it. We're taking them down.
Starting point is 01:44:48 We're taking them down. Next stop the Pentagon. Finally. It is awesome The idea that you can bring this on a fucking plane It's outrageous Crazy Well maybe she said it was my fucking emotional support taser
Starting point is 01:45:04 And you got it on the plane Got it got it got it got it I do love this weird detail We're both the people on the plane This is 1990 So there's just a screen at the front of the plane Everybody watches the same thing And the terrorists in the church
Starting point is 01:45:18 Are both watching a Simpsons episode Yes Yeah that's pretty great When the family is in the electric chair Yes. Yeah, it's a Bart like humiliates Homer at the work picnic or something. Sounds right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here's the thing. The bad guys are getting away. Yes. Which to John McLean doesn't matter. You're worried about your wife? Doesn't matter. The bad guys can get away, they can not get away, whatever. But they're getting away and Franz and Dennis Franz and Robert Costanzo get stuck in traffic. They can't help him.
Starting point is 01:45:48 This funny thing, though, where the three of them get in the car, it's a weird, like, McLean gets in one. side and Dennis Frans gets on the other side of the car and he goes, oh, hey McLean, say hi to my brother. And it's Costanzo, like, oh, Merry Christmas. And like, they're like, because if, if both gentlemen got in the car when they were going to and drive wherever they were going to, but instead Dennis Frans runs into a cab. Yes. Robert Costanzo's sitting bitch in this police car. Like, I didn't think that was happening.
Starting point is 01:46:18 Isn't that where the shotgun goes and whatnot? You can't be sitting in the middle seat in the front of the police car. No, you can't. But he ends up going with the action news team. They have a helicopter. And like this is when he's like, oh, go, you know, go into the hell. Go attack the play. Look, we're not going to do that.
Starting point is 01:46:36 He wants this guy to play chicken with a 747, which the dude refuses to do. And he goes, oh, all right. All right. What about on top of it then? And then this is McLean jumping down. And why I think this is better than Diehard 4 is he's just jumping on the top. of this plane that's going to take off. He's not surfing a stealth bomber.
Starting point is 01:46:58 Surfing or rolling over on asphalt, like it's nothing. No, and the plane is still on the ground. Yes, that's the other thing I really need to highlight. We get some great little fights here. John Amos comes out. Oh, man, it's a great, like, I'll take him. And like Amos gets out there.
Starting point is 01:47:15 They get a little fight. It's a really great John Amos being like, I was just starting to like you, McLean, which is pretty great. and this dude just gets sucked into the jet turbines wouldn't that end your flight? Wouldn't that just be the bones?
Starting point is 01:47:31 I feel like yeah you probably can't take off you know. If a fucking jacket is ruining the wing I don't know how to that doesn't make sense yeah that dude was a jacket and a whole person
Starting point is 01:47:43 that went into the turbine not only was a jacket going in there but the person wearing that jacket also went inside and the beret. Yeah that's Sully was a piece of dumb shit, man. Just, oh, a few birds, you had the emergency land. Plains could take whole bodies. Yeah, you're 120
Starting point is 01:48:00 pound man? What would you do if a dozen bodies flew into your airplane? Well, no, exactly. No, Chris, you're making a total point. Why is that due to hero? It's not like he flew into a flock of John Amosus. This is what we should be doing. We should develop some type
Starting point is 01:48:16 of cadaver cannon to take down airplane. You just launch human remains at airplanes. We're leaving money on the table by letting these bodies be buried. We could be shooting them at the sky.
Starting point is 01:48:31 We're not leaving money on the table with that, Chris, because the funeral industry is one of the biggest fucking rackets in the world. And organ donation. It would have to be sacrificed to give an organization that needs much more money, the military. We just need to give them a little bit more.
Starting point is 01:48:47 Dastically underfunded. So then, you know, Sadler's like, Oh, well, my old buddy John Amos just, well, he's mince me, let me go see what I can do. He gets, this is where, somewhere around here is where he mentions like, now remember General Esperanza,
Starting point is 01:49:03 you're the only one for whatever reason that can fly this plane. And all the other military guys are just smoking cigars. Dude, we're back that we're playing cards. We got to fucking get a little early. It's a little early. We taped a bunch of cheers episodes off TV. We got those on. We got
Starting point is 01:49:19 Scotch going. You can't like be at the scene of the crime celebrating how you got away exactly dude you gotta wait till you are fucking out of the air space going down to South America wherever just make sure please before you start blaring slow ride get into the air exactly
Starting point is 01:49:35 but I wanted to take it easy and this is a fun fight with Saddle a lot of kicking a lot of good movement Sadler wins which is interesting Saddler does win and you see all the his Tai Chi training has paid off you speed that shit up it's fight moves
Starting point is 01:49:50 I was doing it. That is something I always like about it. It's like a Schwarzenegger, a J.CVD, a sly even, it is so rare that they allow someone to just like absolutely outdo them. Like they just, there's just not, he's getting like a couple hits in the ribs when he gets close. But he is getting owned by William Sadler. Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:50:14 And like, it's not like John McCain's not some fighting expert. Which is what's great about this movie, unlike those future sequels not the third one but the other ones is he becomes invincible and this is like he's still in every man of course he's going to get his clock clean by William said it'd be great if Willem said it's like
Starting point is 01:50:31 oh fuck Amos all right well I got to take care of it and he'd get he's like there's only one way I only fight one way and he gets naked that would be amazing well I just realized I've never fought with my clothes on I don't know if I can remember the moves Loop me up boys
Starting point is 01:50:46 McLean can't get a grip on him Oh shit. Yeah, he's all greased up. He's sliding around out there. He's about to do it. He's about to kick his ass. But like he goes on one leg to get the shoe off and just falls over. So it said what? McLean gets tossed off this plane, but he grabs onto like the fucking gas cap.
Starting point is 01:51:06 Because he's been trying to undo the fuel thing before he gets kicked off. And when Sadler kicks him, that's the only thing he's holding on to. So the force of the kick in his body weight rips the gas cap off. Yeah. And then he. falls down on the snow and it's taking off. There's this trail of gas. I thought he was going to shoot the gas because I didn't know, I didn't realize the fire can jump so well. Oh, well, actually busted the Myth Busters. Did they do this? They did this. They blew up a
Starting point is 01:51:33 plane full of people. Yes, I believe. Yeah, the Myth Busters first tried to figure out if you could recalibrate navigation equipment to go 200 feet below sea level. Could we find that passport and identification from the 9-11 wreckage that far from the plane? Let's find out. Let's prove would Hans Gruber would have died if he fell from the Nakatoma town. So it was busted. It's a diehard two episode. Let's prove could a TV dad stop a plane from taking off if you huck it inside of the turbine? Alan Thick, what do you think?
Starting point is 01:52:05 Well, what do you do? Man. All right. His last words are, my son's a loser. Wait, so what? So they busted it then. They busted it. Yeah, I got to look it up.
Starting point is 01:52:16 Busted. All right. It's been busted. Ed O'Neill wanted to. too much. I will say it looks cool. I love seeing this plane explode. It really goes for it. Then what's also interesting,
Starting point is 01:52:27 maybe they covered this on their episodes. The TV series MythBusters tested the idea of blowing up a 747 by a 90s stream of jet fuel and rated it as busted. They found that jet fuel essentially kerosene was extremely hard to light in liquid form, especially in a blizzard and the flames
Starting point is 01:52:45 would not have propagated fast enough to catch up to the plane. Nice. Okay. So Do they also mention anything about landing an airliner in fiery wreckage? Yes. Because now all these planes start like, we can see the land. We'll just land in the fucking gasoline fire and into the wreckage of a previously blown up airplane. And it's one after the other. By the way, yes.
Starting point is 01:53:07 It's one after the other. You see, it's like the triumphant music starts playing. It's like, boom, bum, bum, and you see this traffic line. There's one line that some guy on the radio, oh, if they could do it, then we can do it. We're going to land. We're going to land. The first one's amazing because Bruce Willis, John McLean is like,
Starting point is 01:53:25 well, there's your landing signal right there. Yeah, so yeah. You're welcome. The guy comes in and like, sees the wreckage and it's like, it is,
Starting point is 01:53:34 it's right. Like he's answering John McClain. He's not seeing an explosion. Because it's such a mess, like why John McLean is doing anything that he's doing. So they have to be like, oh no, he has to save the day and save Holly.
Starting point is 01:53:46 Even though everything he was doing up to that point, including fighting William Siddler, had nothing to do with saving his well. I think, you know, you're not wrong. Yes. The movie justifies it because someone says to him something to the equivalent of like, well, why do you care? Yes. And he goes, because I don't like to lose. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:54:05 And that's all it is. I do like that he admits it at least. That is a good thing. Yeah, that's true. Although, I kind of, I don't know, if you're cruel like John McLean is at heart, don't you want to let them take off and not notice that oh yeah and then have them think of their demise for a full couple like 10 minutes while they're about to meet the ground
Starting point is 01:54:27 at on sure once you get up to 20,000 feet like the light starts going on like oh we're totally fuck yeah oh we got no gas left yeah that's true best case scenario we are landing and immediately getting arrested and put into a jail underneath the jail I do love him screaming speaking of Stallone, like it's the end of Rocky, just like, Holly! Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:51 There's your fucking landing light. Holly! It really reminded me of that too, really. Oh, my God. Streetcar named John McLean. I never want to be in an airplane crash or a close call. No, I don't.
Starting point is 01:55:04 But I really want to ride down that slide. You know, I mean, it's just sort of like, you know, it's just... Especially in water, ice cold water. Yes. You know, they let you do that occasionally at the aeronautical museum in D.C. Yeah, you got to be there
Starting point is 01:55:19 on a special day. I need to know what day that is immediately. There's an online. Go worry. You're fine. Could you guys light me on fire when I do this? I want the full experience. Dead. Yeah, dad. Start screaming, Holly. Before we start taking the video,
Starting point is 01:55:36 start screaming, Holly. Holly sees, I do love that it's all these people trying to get off this plane as fast as possible, we're all jumping down. And Holly McLean about to jump before her old lady friend who's behind her by the way, real nice Holly. Honestly, old lady's a fucking terrorist. She deserves the guy. She is a piece of garbage. But like the line stops at Holly because she hears John yelling. And I'm like, why don't you get off first? If I was so, I'd be like,
Starting point is 01:56:06 what the fuck on the plane? What are you listening for? Your husband? Get off the plane. it's crazy but they reunite of course we're making out we got fucking Dennis Franz his last thing oh hey McLean you get a parking ticket in front of my airport yeah it's Christmas and he's like tearing it up say McLean you ever think about showing your ass it seems like it's going around these days Christmas goes both ways pal I hear you and your wife are going to the motel I've got a room in there for a turn. Yeah, I know for a fact, every hot tub in that hotel can fit a maximum of three guests,
Starting point is 01:56:48 if you know what I mean. Look, I'll even sit there in the corridor, be nice and quiet. Lorenzo ain't got no problem watching, McLean. Well, if I'm watching, I got to get cucked, so she has to pretend to be my wife. Anyway, thanks for saving the day. So I'm checking in with her, and you're going to come in after, right? You got to keep the illusion alive, McLean. It's called role-playing, you fuck.
Starting point is 01:57:15 I hope you don't mind. I'm just going to be calling a honey a lot. Honey, do you have the credit cards? Honey, how could you do this to me? Is what I'll be saying. As I masturbate, McLean. You understand it. Every few minutes, you got to just turn around
Starting point is 01:57:31 and make direct eye contact me without pulling pot there. And you just go, you got a problem with this? And I say, no, sir, and then you keep going. That's how we get to what I call a screaming orgasm. Now, where's that other half of the sandwich I didn't shit out? Got to scrape that in the belly. Need the protein.
Starting point is 01:57:53 Yeah, I might be shitting in the corner, too. Be sure you book one of them hotels where when you turn the light on in the bathroom, the fan goes automatically, you know what I mean? That means no super H and count out the La Quintas. I'm going to want to run their fan all night. So this movie's over. Let it snow starts playing. I do appreciate, man, just like that first movie,
Starting point is 01:58:20 it is the end of the movie. And here come them credits before any six months later, pretty great. So that concludes Rennie Harlan's Die Hard too. Go around the horn here for some final thoughts. Eric Siska. Yes. You know, on paper, I should like it.
Starting point is 01:58:36 there's stuff I like there's good fights I love the dummies there's stuff to like here I just wish the location was fleshed out more like airports aren't very interesting and if you were going to set it in one and I know like the Denver airport didn't have the horse yet but if there was some iconography I can latch on too I think it made this more enjoyable sunlight maybe too I know the blizzard's a Christmas timey thing yeah there was just it just doesn't quite get there for me but it's better that it's one it's the third best diehard movie yeah there you go chris cabin oh yeah i like this movie quite i mean it's always going to be it's always going to be one three two uh it's just that's that's the order yeah uh this but to me this has everything i want from an action movie
Starting point is 01:59:21 the sequel itis it has is pretty horrible and that's what kind of dulls it for me a bit is that it is a bit much but they scatter enough i'm following it i wasn't bored i really was and all this stuff with the back of the airport. I was like, okay, that's, I mean, like, oh, sorry it wasn't a factory. Whoops, a dude. Like, you know, it's fine to me. And, like, I love Bruce Willis and I love this character up until he became, you know, Ben Grim. And was just a rock monster.
Starting point is 01:59:55 But, you know, before that, I love this character. And I think, you know, these three movies have stood the test of time because the character rules. Yeah. Steve Saneck. Yeah, you know, it's funny. when you just said that you'd seen, you know, Dired 1, Dired 2, Dired 2, all 20 times each, because you're a completest.
Starting point is 02:00:10 My family, we didn't like a movie, we threw it out, you know what I mean? So we watched, we were always watching one and three. I've only seen this movie like two or three times, total tops, including last night. And it just, it's just, it doesn't work for me. It's a, it's a week, it's absolutely the third best diehard movie. There's no two ways about that.
Starting point is 02:00:29 But, you know, and there's, I had more fun watching the kills than I would have thought. but it is so convoluted and the sequelitis that it has. It's, it just, you know, I'd rather watch anything else almost. Yeah, no, it's, it's an interesting 50-50 split here this week because I'm with Chris. I like this movie. I don't think it's great. Sure.
Starting point is 02:00:49 The sequelitis does just totally, you know, sideline it a lot of the times, especially like in those times where they're so nail on the head. Like, how could this shit happen to the same guy twice? Like, oh, fuck, I know I'm watching Die Art, dude. Can you even stand it? like I'm in a movie again. Oh, fuck. This is the second time I found myself in an action movie.
Starting point is 02:01:08 Like, yeah, that's all dumb. I really like Barnes, the airport tech guy. I think he's cool. Marvin, the fucking creepy janitor. Yeah, awesome. I do agree, though, if we could consolidate some of them
Starting point is 02:01:19 tertiary characters into just one fella, that would be something. Dennis Franz, an absolute delight, just being humiliated at every turn in this movie by John McLean. Love that, love that guy.
Starting point is 02:01:31 He talks like a jerk in this movie all the time. It's really great. I don't know. If you haven't seen these movies, you got to do it. You got to see all of them. I'd say the definitive ranking is 13, 245, by the way. Nothing gets better. Nothing gets worse than a good day to die hard. Really embarrassing movie there. But yeah, this was fun. So, you know, whatever. And Rennie Harlan, I'm starting to come to find the dude makes fun movies. I don't know. Oh, fuck. When it's an action movie, the man knows what he's doing. But you've got to allow him to do that. The Exorcist's the beginning thing
Starting point is 02:02:05 It's because it's not an action movie It doesn't call it any of the things he's good at At least even like I rewatched Cutthroat Island It's not good But at least it's an action movie So it calls on some of the things he's good at I think Exorcist's beginning
Starting point is 02:02:19 Would have been better if Playing like Father Marin's number two Was Dennis Franks Oh nice I think we really could have done a lot there With that word Christ compels you Yeah just wake out You're fucking faking it
Starting point is 02:02:32 You're gonna want to bathroom with a fan going for this exorcism, I'll tell you that. That is Die Hard 2 from 1990, directed by Ronnie Harlan. If you want more, we hate movies, of course, check out the Patreon where if you are listening to this now, that means you have subscribed
Starting point is 02:02:47 to the $8 level or up, and you have gotten this advertisement free, folks. That's right. We already mentioned it. We're getting into the Christmas spirit, the holiday spirit, hardcore this month, and we started things off back on December 1st, the very first day of the month with a we love movies episode,
Starting point is 02:03:04 exclusively on Patreon at the $5 level and up. All about Big Dick Donner's lethal weapon, fantastic motion picture. And speaking of the holiday season, if you were listening to it, the week it comes out, which is the first week of December on December 7th in Jersey City at White Eagle Hall. Two days from now. Two days from now, we'll be talking about the Santa Claus in front of a live audience. It's our only New York City adjacent show for a very long time.
Starting point is 02:03:29 If you're in the tri-state area, you want to come to that show. If tickets are still available, Yeah, they're getting low. So go to WHNPodcast.com and come on out to White Eagle Hall in beautiful Jersey City, New Jersey. Absolutely. The Patreon selections will keep kicking. We'll keep to the holiday theme as much as possible, like on animation damnation, Steve. Oh, we're doing a Doug Christmas or something?
Starting point is 02:03:54 Oh, it's a Doug Christmas episode where pork chop is framed for biting BB and the whole town wants this dog executed. Oh, wow. You better believe it is a children's holiday spectacular. Kill your dog, funny. Guess I'm going to hate that. For once in a lifetime, we are, of course, going to be doing a very nutty Christmas. Oh, a very nutty. Can I tell you a quick thing about a very nutty Christmas?
Starting point is 02:04:21 We were talking about a very nutty Christmas at Thanksgiving. We're telling my sister about it. And she goes, I swear to God, she goes, oh, is that one of those really bad movies that probably stars some like CW star no one remembers like Barry Watson oh no Chelsea and I were both like holy fuck that's exactly who stars of them and if you haven't heard of it folks it's about a nutcracker that comes to life and romances Melissa Joan Hart oh it is quite something and then on the Gleap glossary folks it doesn't stop there we're changing it up on the Gleap glossary this month we are doing a redux episode covering something we covered eight years ago
Starting point is 02:05:03 The Star Wars Holiday Special. That's right. Now with 100% more Steve Sadek because I wasn't on that. Oh, was that right? I was not. What were you doing? Taking a shit? I mean, it was a three-man microphone.
Starting point is 02:05:14 We didn't have the technical capability. You were watching in the corner jerking off. And we were doing the show. Okay, yeah, no, I totally forgot about that. So it's amazing. You're going to be here for that. I think this is going to be a lot of fun going back through the Star Wars holiday special. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 02:05:30 Mel Road 210, of course. No Christmas to be found there. because we covered the Melrose Place Christmas episode like back in July or some shit. But, you know, if you want to get horny for the holidays, Melro 210 is the show to do it at phone. Absolutely. And then the Nexus will also just be normal shit.
Starting point is 02:05:45 There's no holiday Christmasy times. I don't believe so. You know, there's that one episode of TNG where Picard plays Charles Dickens. Oh, no, those was Patrick Stewart doing. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm playing with my dickens. Oh, Lord.
Starting point is 02:05:58 And end of the month, folks. It ain't out yet as this airs. But keep your eyes. Peel, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Ascabandmentary. That's a mouthful. The third Harry Potter movie is our final commentary for 2023. And if it's
Starting point is 02:06:13 anything like the last two, they're going to be some fan favorite commentaries right here. That's going to be a lot of fun. Look at how much you're missing by not being on Patreon. My God. It's honestly, it's the majority of our work. Yeah. It's the decent thing to do. Subscribe
Starting point is 02:06:29 Patreon.com slash we hate movies. And we appreciate you and love you. Thank you. Absolutely. Now next week here on the Tuesday show, Steve, we hate movies continues with what motion picture? We're keeping it Christmasy, but it's getting a little spooky because it's silent night, deadly night.
Starting point is 02:06:45 Ooh, yeah. All 79 minutes of horror Santa goodness. I cannot wait. I love this movie. I think it's a great little picture. It is not up there with the all-timers, like Christmas evil, of course. Christmas evil is amazing. It is quite good one. Or elves.
Starting point is 02:07:01 Oh, well. I still have not seen elves. You know what? A guy that looks like fucking Kenny Loggins or Kenny Rogers is like I need to know the connection between the elves and the naches. Real line from that film. Oh yeah. I'm going home right now. Turning it on.
Starting point is 02:07:17 Holy shit. So until next week where we talk all about silent night, deadly night. I've been Andrew Jupping. Stephen Zeta. Eric's sister. Chris Gavin. Take it easy. I don't know. Oh, I know. Oh.
Starting point is 02:07:37 Thank you.

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