We Hate Movies - S14 Ep716: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

“If I was Blipped and came back, I’d rather be dead at that point!” - Eric On this episode, we’re doing our best to make our way through what could possibly be the nadir of the MCU, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania! How did they release this thing as-is with all the poorly rendered CGI? Did any of these actors actually want to be in this movie? Were they trying to wedge in a bad TV series with all these Quantum realm rebel characters? And who’s excited for all these Tiny Toon Avengers to get their own movie (probably)? PLUS: Eric gets Pet Sematary’d by The Blip! Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania stars Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Michael Douglas, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jonathan Majors, Kathryn Newton, Bill Murray, Katy O’Brian, William Jackson Harper, David Dastmalchian, and Corey Stoll as M.O.D.O.K. for some reason; directed by Peyton Reed. This episode is brought to you in part by Rocket Money!  Stop wasting money on things you don't use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. That's RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. RocketMoney dot com slash WHM! Get your tix now for our next online digital experience where we’re talking about, yikes, THE FLASH! We’ll be LIVE on February 1st at 9:00pm to chat about this complete and total disaster! Be sure to bundle your ticket to get access to our post-show AFTER PARTY Q&A as well where we’ll be doing another hour-ish after the show. Can’t make it that night? We got you covered! The show will be available for replay for seven days after the event!  Want more WHM? Join our Patreon fam today and instantly unlock hours and hours of exclusive bonus content, including Ad-Free WHM Prime at the $8 level and up! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies needs! Including new Polish Decoy, ‘Jack Kirby’, and Forrest the Universal Soldier designs!

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talking about the flash, the show's going to be great because the movie sucked ass. Well, on this week's episode, we're talking about a movie that I'm certain no one wanted to actually make. It's Ant Man and the Wasp, colon, quantum mania, and my name is Andrew Jupy. I am a late phase

Steven Zadak. Eric colon, Ciscamania. Oh, you took mine up here. Oh, we can have both. Christopher Cabin. I do suffer from Cabin Mania all times. He drives me up the wall.

I know. And we hate movies. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the program, as always. Thank you for tuning in. If you're new to the fold, that's right. We're a comedy show where we pick on movies of all kinds and qualities. And, uh, well, speaking to quality, lack thereof this week, Peyton reads Ant Men and the Wasp Quantum Mania. Good gravy. It's okay to like a movie. If you like this movie, it's totally fun. Dude, shut up. Nobody likes it. We are, we are throwing the pigskin around the bag. Who are you avoiding? I am talking the daggers. They're out there, Chris. there's people that are big fans of this film really actually even worse now there's this other phase of like yeah I know it sucks get over it like yeah that's

I mean but you can't have it both ways you can be like all these movies are great and then when the bad ones start kind of like oh don't worry about that one it's just the bad one if it was like a tiny hiccup in some sort of amazing 30 movie perfect run sure sure but the fucking wheels have fallen off the bus

folks. You're thinking about this all wrong. You've got to think about this in terms of religion. Like, you know, if the bad thing happens, they're just like, well, you know, God is just, you don't know what he wants. You don't know what Kevin Feigy wants. You don't know what's going on here. So you just have to believe in the thing, even when the shit is bad. And I'll say this, okay, this is not, you know, I guess to sort of dip into the, it's okay to like a movie cowardice. It's an olive brand. Well, look, I'm just saying, for me,

I really liked both of those first two Ant Man movies. The second one, which also a lot of people did not care for. I didn't care for that. Yeah, I thought it was pretty fun. So I went, like, sometimes people will throw out like, oh, you guys go into stuff

looking to hate it. Sometimes, yes, that's true. But like, I went in being like, I like the first two. I like Paul Rudd. Let's fucking do it again. And I was blown away at just how terrible it was.

It's really bad. The first one I, like, I borderline love. The second one, shoulder shrug. I like parts of it. I don't like other parts of it. This one, I have never seen it. And I didn't check on this one, but I'm assuming I'm right on this. The Rick and Morty thing with these late Marvel, this phase four thing,

Love and Thunder being the last one that really had that feeling. That are taking the tone of that cartoon you're saying? Essentially a family. friendly version of Rick and Morty is like when Paul Rudd and his daughter and Cassie get to where William Jackson Harper and all those

that to me every little beat when you're in that kind of world is Rick and Morty but like nice. Oh yeah the Dave Das Machians goop guy I feel that's probably a very adult swim-esque guy. The Jackson Harper guy totally a Rick and Morty gag. That is because this is written by Jeff

Loveness who was a Rick and Morty writer. Yes. So there's yeah so it has that vibe. It's not an accident but it's just like, should those be in Marvel movies? We ushered out the so this happened fellas and we brought in the Rick and Morty

people. Now, you know, there was going to be it's just random. It's all, I mean, that's the thing in the quantum realm. Science jokes. It's just the randomness of it makes me not care. Like, because like when we get into when we will, get into

like the world and Katie O'Brien and like, oh my God and my, my, my struggling people. I'm like, who are these people? I'm Jerry's Seinfeld all of us. I'm like, who are they? What do they want? You've got to establish them. How are they being oppressed? They are a planned

TV series that never took off. No shit. That's not it. That's it. That's all it was. But the premise enough feels, I thought was all right because it was like old science fiction. We're going down. There's shit down there you don't know about. Yeah. That's a fun premise, but they

fumble the ball. The problem is there's no, uh, red that ties that group the quantum maniacs will call them together you know they don't look the same everything every single thing looks different so you're like okay this is some sort of found community sure so what does any of that mean like where did they come from and the movie because you're right chris there was a tv series that never got made probably because it has that vibe like the movie's like well we don't care because we'll tell you that on disney plus next year and i guess like and also like you know in the previous movies i believe at least uh if i remember

correctly, Michelle Pfeiffer, and we've seen the quantum realm before. It's this barren landscape where there's like dust mite, monstars occasionally, but it's this barren landscape that is horrible. So I guess this movie presupposes because we start with the barren landscape as well, and then Kang shows up.

But I guess this movie presupposes this is all, her whole, the first like 10 to 12 years of her quantum realm experience was like a triangle of sadness. Like there was a resort just the other. On the other side of the island. She just needed to let go like six miles down the road and there's

fucking Philadelphia there. You're totally right because how did she miss the living buildings that we see in this movie? Well yeah I mean they start out the first movement is very much like a western like a thing they like to go back to quite a lot where she's just tending to her area and like pumping the water

doing the whole thing. She's got like horse like germ creatures. Yeah you're totally right. The comic book movies are now like the Western where it's like you've had them for decades and everyone's tired. Except the westerns we're good. But, you know, there's bad westerns out there.

There are plenty of bad westerns. Plenty of good comic movies, I will say, and adjust my glasses. Those first two Ant-Man movies, I don't wear glasses. And she sees King's ship blow through the crash down and goes to find him. And we cut, I think

it's just him like, where is this? And then it cuts into the Marvel like fan cam. And the only way you are accurately feeling what the movie presumes you're feeling about that reveal is if you understand like who he is because I feel like the music swell that happens here

is like they think it's gonna be like when wrestling fans hear that glass shadow and Stone Cold Steve Austin comes down the ramp like here comes Kang! Get excited! It's even more annoying for the next hour of the movie because I think Kang doesn't show up really until like an hour of 16 or something like that everyone is just like well he will be very upset

you know what he might do oh that's back when we were fighting him and I'm like I just I know it's the Kang movie can you imagine if you're watching Star Wars and like they just kept talking about Darth Vader but you fucking never saw that guy until the last 45 minutes of the movie especially if they're just talking about like go to a place that he's ravaged and see it and actually walk through it talk with Katie O'Brien a little more about that stuff

That would make people shared. Is this the first King? Yes. Well, actually, he's in Loki for like a hot second. And in Loki, it's like, because I did watch that first season. If I'm remembering it right, you don't know who he is until kind of like the ending.

The end of him. To set up the next thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Set up this movie. And is that the first season or the second season? The first season, I believe he's a lot more in the second season, which I did not. Does anybody know anything about the second season?

I started once. it and I abandoned it. But the Stinger scene here is expanded and that's a whole sequence in Loki season two. Yes, where they're watching him in some sort of Old West speaking of Westerns like situation.

Pharaoh, Kang. Oh, no, no, no. The one with the second Stinger with Owen Wilson. Him in Chicago, the 1800s. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's Chicago? Oh, I missed that. I think so. But your point, Chris, like seeing what Kang has ravaged would like make such a huge difference,

I was like, what is he doing? Is he enslaving people? Are they working all day in the mines? Do they have to sacrifice their taxes to him? Like, what is this society? And what is the, what's the end? It's like the one with Jet Lee, he's going to become more powerful

if he gets more of himself. I think it's a little bit of that. Okay. But it's weird because he has all these like quantum bots. Yeah. Like these stormtrooper looking guys. Sure. And like, that's the army.

And I think there's some throwaway line where like he's made those things. So like, I guess he's killing. the people in the lands that he conquers and the survivors keep becoming the growing army of the angry quantum maniacs but show me an example of that

happening. They look like Mysterios. We got a bunch of... They do. And that's the problem is yeah, the quantum maniacs as we will continue to call them, are like equal parts Star Wars, Dune, and Mortal Kombat and just like... And by that I mean like, that guy belongs in Star Wars.

That guy belongs in Mortal Kombat. That guy belongs in Doom. I actually have a note. Which Mortal Kombat character is this. Katie O'Brien is the best example of that. That is a straight up mortal combat character. Yeah, she is like Molina's sister-in-law. Yep, yep, exactly. Genreta or something like that.

You're seeing her on the screen and I just got going Catano wins. Gintero. Gentara. Yeah, that's right. And she's a dust person, like half dust mite or what? On her mother's side. To your point, see, like, how did this civilization come to be? What is any of this? I assume the,

human-looking ones are also being exiled like Kang in some way. That's all I can assume they're descendants. It's fine. Descendants of other Kang type of people. Yes. That's all I can assume. It's so bizarre. Yeah. Before we get to any of that, please. It's a real you've been watching the other Marvel movies, right? It's like this

Paul Rudd walking down the street thinking about welcome back Cotter. We are literally using the Welcome Back Cotter theme song. My asshole was clenched waiting for John Travolta to just be like, hi Scott. I was like, don't do it. Don't you fucking do it. What about Horacek? Is Horshack still alive? I think Horshack passed away. All right. Horchek. Rod Polillo is dead. Look at that. Boom. Good for me.

Rod Polillo from Friday the 13th, Part 6. Yes. Although otherwise, good on the cameos. We've got some Turkenton. And the guy from, I think you should leave. Ruben Robosset. Now, here's the thing about using Ruben Rabassa in a movie. I think that dude was funny on his sketch for I think you should leave. But if you're putting him in this, it's just because he was memed to Kingdom Come because of that movie. And I, or because of that show. And I, I despise that. Like, at least have him play some kind of a character. Because he's also, they made an abysmal, a second remake of Father of the

Bride a couple of years ago with like Andy Garcia's the dad. And Ruben Rabasas is like the crazy uncle. And it's the same thing because he's just kind of a weird personality guy. And that's fine. But I don't need him in movies. I think the guy who said, give me that with the hamburger. I think he passed away recently. He did die. Yes. And but I guarantee you they would have gotten him because he's also been memed. It's just too much because he's playing his, I think you should leave character in every single thing. Yes. Yeah. And like you make him like kind of out of touch or whatever, and he was like, thank you, Spider-Man, which is, like, from the trailer, so you already saw it

a thousand times before you were ready to not laugh at it in the movie. Oh, the meme guys in this. That's great. Well, it's like the Rick and Morty thing, right? Everything, we're making movies to be screenshoted and put on the internet. To be discussed on social media, presumably. Right. And so, of course, he's, like, written a

book, my life as Ant-Man, and we have him at this, like, I got to say, robustly attended book reading. Well, I mean, he's, again, if Ant-Man existed, the line of around the block this man is a god on earth he's saved and this is always the problem is the blip

was too much for this universe to handle uh they've never really successfully navigated what a world would look like afterwards when what's her face Cassie is like oh you know I was down in you know down in the park protesting because they were

raiding a homeless encampment I'm like oh that happens in San Francisco literally every day but then they're like oh because of the blip everyone's displaced I'm like oh yeah so half the population of the world left for five years and now they're homeless and they all come back

and it's billions of people and I guarantee you we're still not there's still no like living well living wage or anything like that sure what exactly so it's like the blip happens

five years these people are gone presumably I guess someone buys one of their houses at auction I like that no it's mine no you can't have it back you have no legal right to anything anymore well here's the thing that whole conundrum is a very real problem that would happen, right?

But it is not to be addressed in the same movie where a jelly person comes out and says, Drink me, drink me. Drink the ooze. Drink the ooze. Precisely because, like, we're drinking ooze in this movie. And I don't need to be also thinking about, like, the real world San Francisco housing crisis. That's, like, a horrible problem to have. And you're, like, bringing in real social.

issues to this, but he's about to go get a bad cake at a fucking Baskin Rock. That would be interesting. I mean, I was never at a trillion years, but if that was her, because she's like, I'm political for 39 seconds. It's like, if she was like actually political. Is I right? Exactly. If she was

actually political the entire time, budding up against like, hey man, why are we building fucking shrink rays? Why can't we, you know, something else? She believes in doing stuff, which is like the big thing with Scott. It's what makes their argument in the beginning. is like, she's like, I'm trying to do stuff.

You don't give a shit anymore. You're just going and reading your book to kids. And like, first of all, where are all the human Thanos cults trying to assassinate these Avengers? I would sign up. Right? Wouldn't you sign up? They're doing fucking readings in the middle of San Francisco and not one crazy person's

trying to knife Scott Lang. If I was blipped and came back, you know, I'd rather be dead at that point. I would also be terrified of you, Eric. If you were just like, hi, guys, I'm back from the blib. Like, fuck, I don't trust that shit. Not for a hot second. I would be like, guys, remember Pet Cemetery? He came back weird.

Let's kill it. I live under the bus on ramp now. Thanks, guys. Yes. The world would have torn itself apart. There'd be nothing left. And you just can't, like, but you can't say that. So it's just like, yes, he's writing a book.

And he has a normal family. Well, I mean, I think it's kind of funny because she's like, dad, why are you like wasting time? You're not out there like helping the world or whatever. You're just spinning your wheels. And I'm like, yeah, Cassie, because this whole phase of this big movie franchise is spinning its wheels. So of course he took time to write a book and not do anything superhero related because nobody's doing anything in this way. Look out for the little guy. Well, that's the thing.

Is she supposed to be part of this like new way, like the new Avengers whenever we're going to get to that thing? really tiny tunes Avengers at the end of the Marvels we get a little bit of that where what's the new lineup Ms. Marvel goes to Hawkeye Jr. Yes What's her face? Kate Beacon

Yes so that's two Then we got Cassie so that's three And then we go at the Falcon from winter Whatever that The new Falcon would be like the new Captain America He's got in America You would have She Hulk be the Hulk The Marvelous Mrs. Maisels

Yeah, she comes in here. She's such some stand-up. They got everyone in this. We got to make them laugh. Bring in Maisel. You got the funny stone. No, the funny bone. Funny bone, right.

Yeah, which is made out of stone, ironically. What is the, I'm forgetting which one it even is, but they set up that other girl who's like the tiny Tony Stark. Which movie was that? Ironheart, that's in Black Panther, Wakanda Forever. Wakanda never man not to be whatever but that movie is stinks

there's like avatar people there's avatar people which is ironic for this movie because apparently based upon anonymous reporting from one of the people in the BFX houses one of the reasons this movie looks like

shit is because they put a ton of they were doing all these movies at the same time they put a ton of resources all towards Wakanda forever because that was going to be the prestige joint and Well, God of Forever does look much better than that. It certainly does. I mean, that's why you don't make fucking five huge movies like this in a year.

Also, the fatigue is real. Like, who cares about who we're fighting anyone? Why are there still people fighting in this world? Who are the avatar people? Why do I care? King, I don't understand why I care about him either. What is the benefit of continuing to do the same thing you've been doing? Like, why not like, and I hate to be like follow DC's thing, but like, D.C. being,

like let's get a name, let them do their shit, and leave them the fuck alone for once and just whatever, but like they can't do that. Because I think if you do a gun-esque reset, like, you know, DC's smartly doing, it sort of says all of that other stuff doesn't matter and is worthless now. And I think that's like, if you say that about MCU stuff,

it's like, but R.D.J. did all this work. Chris Evans did all this way. If they rebooted this, you're going to see a wave of domestic terrorism, unlike anything you've ever seen before. Well, you know what? It's an Oklahoma city a day, Chris. I'd say open the Pandora's box then, because we got to move on as a fucking

nation. But I do think that now we have the move, we have the out, I should say, of it's all part of the multiverse. So when you recast, it's all part of the multiverse. Don't worry about it. It's all part of the multiverse. But the problem is, is that what that does is they always, that means that in every movie, there has to be at least 20 minutes of explaining how this once again, and that is the thing

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like that episode of the simpsons when bart comes out and it's just like i didn't do it and then one guy chuckles as opposed to like losing their goddamn mind. Right, right. Because it's like, this is what you want, right? Here it is. It's big, a lot of costume characters which we love. Silly enough jokes,

random wackadoo stuff. And you've got Modoc. Isn't that a comic thing that people worship? People worship it. They expected that to be huge and that is a joke and a half. It's terrible. It's all. I mean that, you You can't put that on screen.

You look at it and you're like, oh, we have to cut all this. I don't know what we're going to do. We have to cut all this. And who, who among us? And if this is like a comic continuity, tell me now. But who was like, oh, man.

You know what? The fans of these movies, they are just, they got the D.T. shakes for Corey Stoll's character from that first movie. Everyone's asking themselves, what happened to that guy from the first Ant-Man? No, it's totally different.

They tied it in to make this feel like it's a trilogy even though it's not. It's just so... This is where we come in. This is where we come. I'm telling you right now, we would be the best script doctors because you look at that and it's like,

why is that name familiar? Oh, Andrew, it's the villain from the first movie. We're going to get Corey Stollback. And we collectively, as a for some, would be like, that's a terrible idea. Don't do something else. Or I would be like, Hey, could you show me some test footage?

Oh, that looks terrible. Cut the whole thing. Or just, I guess he doesn't look like the modoc thing is just a floating head or something. It's pretty, I mean, it looks like it. It's pretty close. He's a head with little arms and bodies. He has brown hair, which I think is different. No, yeah, no, no.

No, it looks like shit. You're 100% correct, but this comes out in six months. And that's it. You don't, I don't care. Your script is my fucking toilet paper. And also, like, I was just thinking about the first. movie. I haven't seen the first movie in a while, and Chris, you love it. I really like it. Eric got a high five from Michael Douglas at that screening. That's right.

I don't. That's an extra half star for that high five. I was the down low. I was the down low and he came down and he gave it to me. Oh, Michael Douglas went down on you? Technically, I don't give him cancer. I got cancer from that high five and that fat guy. He had cancerous calm on his hair. But I saw the poster and it's like, it's Aunt and it's foggy San Francisco and like there's like you know Michael Pena's there and he's looking mysterious David Bossy and like Corey Stoll

is like looking oh that's a movie You know what I mean? Because again it takes place in San Francisco He's trying to get his life back together It's a tangible place and you actually had Comic Relief. Yes Well yes place means big time I think the fact that we know this is San Francisco

and it looks like San Francisco And the geography is somewhat familiar It's Hsuvi-Lites books That's where the book signing has happens. That's pretty big. It means a lot. But also, you're missing what was good about the first wave of Marvel when it did work was it was embracing genre and creating a Marvel movie out of a genre. Ant Man's a heist movie. And it's done very well, I think. And the talk about him having to like get out of prison and trying to come back to life, these are things that are easily relatable

and it gives your character some nuance. But look at those early movies of all these. Like there's Corey Stahl was the villain in that first one. It's a smaller villain. I feel like you've got to go back to that. You can't keep on doing leading up to some bigger movie where Kang's finally going to get his comeuppets. Have a tech bro in San Francisco who's doing something nefarious. They do not.

The villain, like convert convertly make these James Bond movies. Give me something to care about. The goodness of it doesn't matter. They cannot, they do not think like that. It has to be expansion. Yeah. No, at all costs, it has to be expansion. No, it's true. So for a two-second thing that means nothing, Cassie gets arrested for this protest of the housing situation, there is a funny Paul Rudd. He finishes the reading and he looks at his phone and goes, why is jail calling? That reminds me of, like, yes, Paul Rudd is funny, but Paul Rudd is also tired of being in these movies. Oh, you can tell. Oh, yeah. He's dopey in this one. It's full on dopey. And the problem, too, I was thinking about it because Ant-Man in the Waskin knows,

reading a bunch of Wikipedia trivia and like, Evangeline Lilly will tell you anyone who will listen that these movies have so much of the Wasp's character and she's growing. She has like nine lines in this movie. Yeah, but probably because she couldn't go to set, right? Because isn't she

a famous COVID-denier or something? Yeah, anti-Vex, lunatic. Yeah. Oh, wow. I did not know. Yeah, yeah, no. She's cuckoo for Cocoa Pucko. Oh, great. And also, that's the problem. You've got Ant-Man and the Wasp. And then you also got Ant-Man and the Wasp. Michael Keaton or Michael Douglas and Michelle Fiber And then you have a little Cassie putting on the costume

It's all the same powers. It's not fun anymore If five people can do it. Also Douglas is wasted. What is he even doing in this movie? He just hangs around. Yeah. Taking an expensive nap. He's wearing a very comfortable clothes the entire time. And he gets to be the cool guy throughout like fucking He saves the day, I think twice. Yes. And he gets to do the fisting a joke, which is nice. Yes. We, uh, we, It is nice. We go to dinner at their house. It's Sunday. We got to go to Grandpa's

Pee Pah's making this pizza. This is ripped straight from back to the future too. Oh my, you sure can't hydrate a pizza. He just makes, he uses his little ant power and makes a big pizza out of a small pizza. Wouldn't that taste a little funky? Like, it has to. They'd be like, this is not. Aftertaste. I think it's an aftertaste. Grandpa, I know we're all impressed that you can shrink. Can we just order fucking behitos? Pitos, they're so good. They're so good. And it's hot, it's right out of the oven, and it's not being quantumly altered at all. I will walk the two blocks

to pick it up, Pee P-Paw, don't worry about it. That's $38 a pie. I'm going to pay for it. I just wrote a book, I'm going to pay for it. That's the thing that's totally crazy in that whole exchange. He's like, I just saved us $13 or whatever is it. I was like, look at this fucking house

on the corner in San Francisco, you loaded scientists. Give me a break, saving $7. Didn't you like add another wing to the military with your research. Aren't you fine? The pizza's not a funny enough joke to do this. Make it like Thanksgiving and the

turkeys you want. That's sure. By the way, one pizza you got, is it five people? Yep, that's not enough. No way. That's not nearly enough. Well, maybe for you know, San Francisco folks. I see. Yeah. Active lifestyle. By the way, though,

if you did a big turkey, that's just stealing from the end of Honey I Shrunk the kids. Oh, shit. But that would make more sense. Like even that like as a reference I'd be like okay cool that makes sense That's a movie you would reference They should be watching that movie in one of these movies

Oh yeah Oh wow look what he did Hank Last time I had the re-upped pizza It gave me really bad diarrhea And like it's just It's something that happens to the cheese It just it really disagrees with me

You're gonna tell me I'm crazy I and it wasn't a burp I farted out of my mouth I know what you're saying that's just a burp. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The smell of ass and not bad breath, ass came out of my mouth. Some of those little deer pellet shit smell out, too. And I think, like, a tomato resized itself inside of me and almost, almost became as large as my heart, and then shrunk. So I'm going to pass on the magic pizza today. That's, oh, yeah, no,

my gums are bleeding. No, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a 18 dolly. But peepa, my teeth are falling out. So around this gigantic pizza here, they started having a little chit chat, Sunday evening chit chat. It's like, uh-oh, Cassie has secretly been working with peepa and some of his fucking ant technology.

Sure. Yeah. And oh, you've been doing what, what, let's go down to the basement and check it out. We're playing around with the quantum realm stuff. See, Cassie, what we're going to do is we're going to shrink all the homeless people and let them live in the phantoms. That's the plot of downsizing Essentially it is I have not seen that movie It's like oh overpopulation

Let's shrink people And put them someplace Underrated Maybe I'll go back I will say but up to this point We've got like You know It's about Scott and his daughter

Trying to reconnect Oh man she's got these Political ideals He's not too crazy about it He's just turned completely aloof Because he's a celebrity That's a movie That's the beginning of an Atman movie

And then we get zapped it to the wacky zone, and that's the end of any of it. The problem is, it's just, you know, like, it's you know, you got like green screen dunes and blue screen for, that's all this movie is now. Once you go into that world,

you are done touching objects. All tangibility is gone. And it's just all this wash of like, like, fucking, like screen savers. Like this, and like, I get it. It takes forever to make them and they're great. Andrew, you mentioned honey, honey, I shunk the kids.

That had a tangible surface to the, you know, it was still like, you know, a fantastical idea you're going shrunk, but there were blades of grass, there's things you could do that's real, let's show some, touching real things. But also, try to represent some real life. Not everything has to be blue shimmering, watch it. But what, yes, I agree with you on all of that. And something that, honey, I shrink the kids has also that this movie doesn't, that I think is the biggest nail in the car.

often for this movie is there's no one, there's not a single character on the outside of the quantum realm being like, where did they go? How can we get them back? The fact that you take the whole family in there, there's no one that you can cut to in the regular size world. And like because you are just in the CGI space, it's claustrophobic and ugly at the same time. And also it's not, and because it's quantum and not space, because space actually means something. Space, these are planets. You know, blah, blah, blah. The oxygen situation. Like, because it's quantum, it means nothing. And the sky is purple, green, gray, or orange, and it doesn't matter ever.

And you're always, the entire movie, you're like, where's that light coming from? Because you have no idea. Like, where's that light? And to your point about, like, there should be someone from the outside, Michael Pena could come back and be like, where's everyone? And it could be a, oh, I would, I would kill for Michael Pena to do, like, a little wackadoo, like, how do I get them back? Yep, exactly.

Like, that's a big, big misstep of this movie is not moving hell and a high water to get this dude in the movie. Did they move the other two into the quantum realm too? Because Deschmalion is in the first one at least. The Deschmalion is the voice is the Goop guy. Yeah, but he's in like as a person. He's one of the two. He's in both of them. He's in all

three. I'm still like it. And I think Ti had some domestic violence stuff. So like we're not going to worry about TI. But Peña is Peña. Yeah. Why wouldn't you make him a Gleep? I noticed you mentioned domestic violence. Well, yes. We're going to talk. Sure will. So Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet Van Dyn.

By the way, holy shit, this lady's aged, like, I don't even know what. Oh, my God. It's great. The best. If anything, I'm thankful for this movie because it's Michelle Pfeiffer in a movie in 2023. And, man, it's great seeing her in movies. I got the down low from Michael Douglas.

I can get the download from her. Oh, shit. Now we're talking. I actually felt quite a connection to Michelle Pfeiffer recently. Oh, really? So I found out via Instagram, we both had COVID over. Christmas. Oh. And I was like, oh, look at that. Something I haven't come with. That's your opening line?

Dude, you got an opening line. Oh, yeah, man. You stumble over. I had coffee over Christmas. I feel, I mean, I similarly feel some relation to her because I have also Jeff Bridges and Bow Bridges have fought over me as well. And I...

Several times. After I sang making Whoopi for them. I feel a little bit of a connection. I wear black latex at home. I also had sex with Fisher, Stephen. for years, inexplicably. Oh, God. I think I'm fucking farting out of my mouth

hearing that. So she starts freaking out and hearing quantum realm because she, of course, spent so much time down there. And it's like, wait, you, what are you doing with quantum technology or whatever? And she's sending a beacon. Cassie's like, we can explore the quantum realm

remotely by sending a beacon through her. She's like, a beacon. Can't that go both ways? Of course it can, grandma. What do you think, me, ma, ma, isn't this great? But she starts freaking out. Cassie has been replaced by What's this lady's name? From Freaky.

Catherine Newton, I want to say her name is. Oh, she's the girl from Freaky. She's the girl from Freaky. Oh, okay. I liked Freaky. Yeah, I didn't recognize her. And I was having the question. I was like, were there different kids before?

Apparently, Isabel Furbin was in the last one. Oh, really? Yes. Oh, the, the orphan? Yeah, I believe so. Oh. Or maybe maybe I got that. I thought she was a different character.

She plays an aunt, I think. And just to confirm, I mean, I'll be honest, there seems to be a lot of allegations against TI. It doesn't seem like it stops at one. There was just one, there was one like literally yesterday. Yeah, yeah, it keeps on coming in. Him and his wife were accused. Crazy.

So if you're still being allegations against TI, stay in line. Stay in line, folks. And as soon as she's like, of course, me, ma, the signal can work both ways. She has a freak out, like, get that, turn that off, blah, blah, blah. And like, immediately they're sucked. All, you know, it's one of those like, everything's getting pulled in, we're hanging, you know, trying not to get sucked in and we all get sucked in. God, I mean, like, wouldn't you just, like, I guess this is just

the cancer of the self-awareness in these movies, is that, like, why does it have to be the double tap? Why does it have to be Michelle Fiffer finds out and is like, oh my God, no, and then immediately the bad thing happens? Why can't you just walk into the bad thing? And, like, then maybe afterwards you explain it. They get Pleasantville in here. You know what I mean? Like, Zip-zapped in. I have learned to accept and expect a lot of fucking explaining why this much. This is just way too much. And for whatever reason, they get kind of banged into two different places.

Scott and Cassie are together. Meanwhile, Michelle Pfeiffer, Evangeline and Lily and Michael Douglas are in another part of the movie. That's right. And I have to say, them getting sucked into the quantum realm was where, and I could have just been out of my mind. I thought some of these effects looked better than when I saw it in theaters. Possibly. After that, the rest of the movie looked exactly the same, so probably not.

But I was looking at this stuff and I was like, oh, this is, it's kind of something. I mean, the lighting, the lighting is literally made for it to look better when it's smaller. Yeah. Right. So, like, that makes total sense to me. Yeah. So we get down there. And yeah, so a lot of this movie is just like,

we have to find Scott and Cassie, and Scott and Cassie have to find me, ma, pepaw, on the wasp. It's just, it was great. It's like, me ma peepa on the was. That's going to be the fourth movie. Yeah, that's an indie band, I think. But yeah, they get down, uh, Cassie and Scott do, and something, something like, oh, look at the sun. That's not a son. It's a big fire monster thing. To it Scott, uh, Paul

Rod has to go, well, that was weird. You get one of those. He fights this monster. It grows into this huge thing. And it's like, for, for a half second, you're like, oh, cool. A little bit of an Ant-Man fight here. You can envision this as like a panel from Ant-Man comics. It looks pretty wild. And then he just throws it away and shrinks back to regular size and literally says, well, that was weird. And my toes curled.

Oh, yeah. And it's like, I mean, it's no different than the eyeball tentacle monsters and Dr. Strange, too. I mean, it's the same fucking thing. Yep. It's big. It's gloopy and it's weird. I don't even remember that.

Yeah, see? Which is good. Good. Yeah, yeah. this scene is so doomed where Michelle Fiver's like oh my God everybody stay quiet and all the literal sandworms come out

right am I wrong here or whatever it's a sandrace of mania oh sorry well she also she dodges the she's like nobody move and there's like some sort of scout ship that flies over and it's like all that stuff about like

Michelle Fifer living in this quantum realm is so unexplained it's just a lot of her being like trust me this place is dangerous I'm like well I'm right Janet well because again by the way we don't get one single damn it Janet we can't get one

yeah yeah that'd be so easy I don't know though bringing in Rocky horror references dude that's a fringe too far well it would actually be good as major as like kind of husky damn it Janet you're right yeah so it's a lot of her being like

all right you know I know I know someone that can help us like blah blah blah let's get there she this is another one of those like you've seen this kind of fake out thing a thousand times i'm sure in star wars this has happened at some point the whole like uh-oh a person approaches another person and we're fucking and fighting and blah blah blah and then we're having a big laugh over it because we're old friends she understands the customs she cuts off somebody's arm and then she holds it and then it's like yay and it's like kind of a fake And this has happened in every Marvel movie ever made,

going back to like the X-Men and shit like that. Like when maybe it was Wolverine Origins when he meets the fat guy. Oh, the blob, yeah. And somebody say blob. And you just fight. And then it's just like, and then we're just best friends after. Yep.

Yeah, it's respect. You know, yeah, you could kill me. I like that. And then what it does is undercut any battle scene henceforth. Yes. And this is they take a plane.

They take a plane to a bar, which is pretty nice like a bar. Do they take a plane? They take a fucking gleep gloop thing with strings on it. Oh, that's right. And this is like, this is Michael Douglas with the big goggles on. He's piling in this.

And it's just all the greeniest green screen shit. Is this where he's fissing the shit? No, that's a little later. That's Bill Murray. This is where they go to me, Bill Murray. And Bill Murray's eating the weird like squid slash ordelon bunting. We're doing a little bit.

He is. Yes. I was thinking the same thing. He's definitely due to the old boy slobber down this fucking living thing. Or like, all right, Greg, we have to, we have to cover our faces in shame while we eat this bird.

Okay, but yeah, you know what? We put some other, last stuff in this other movie, Stu. Old boy, here we go, dash of that. Sure. But we get to this bar, and it's obviously very clearly like, tip to the hat of Star Wars,

but you're Disney, why do you need to reference Star Wars? You own it. You own it. You make Star Wars. You own it. Star Wars properties all the time. Marvel should never tip its hat to Star Wars and vice versa.

Now you dilute both of them. Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly. It hurts Star Wars also. While that's all going on, there's some big, like, it's like a big amoeba monster that just looks like a gigantic flying carpet. Speaking of Disney. And like, uh-oh, is this the end of Ant Man and Cassie Ant person?

I guess she'll get a name later. And it's like, oh, no, the quantum maniacs step in here and save, they shoot off the big monster or whatever. I got her name. Cass, can't, no, Cassant, aunt. Like, maybe her name's Cassandra. You just put an ant in there? Oh, I like. Cassandra.

Cassandra. I like that. Cassandra wins. It's still mortal combat. And just like, yeah, and now it's like the village of the whatever. And yeah, you get the great Katie O'Brien. I can't wait for her movie this year. What's that? Love Love Bleeding.

Oh, Harry Kay, Stu. And speaking of Star Wars, I liked her in Star Wars. Yes, she was right. And it's, is that Mandalorian? Mandelorian, yeah. It's too bad. She's completely wasted here. Absolutely.

What is this society? Can we actually have, like, moments with her to understand? I mean, I guess she's like, oh, we're threatened or whatever, but I need more than that. And also, like, what is her relationship with the guy? Because you have, like, it's her and the guy from the good place. They're smart in a way. it's just her and the guy from the good place and David Dustin Malian as a goop guy

William Jackson Harper I've never watched a good place but very good show and he's in Mitzamara as well right yes yes and and death ray face death ray's face but like it's a small amount of people that you can

actually develop a little bit if you want to manage it you can manage this amount of people like are they in a relationship are they not in a relationship are they brother and sister you know what I mean? Like whatever it is. No, no, no, no. We need the, that scream time is being reallocated for a Bill Murray cameo. Yes, Bill Murray cameo and scenes featuring the wasp that aren't really about the wasp in any way. She's just quietly sitting at a table through this whole thing. So we go into this fucking knockoff canteena and Michelle Pfeiffer is like, hey, Michael Douglas and Evangeline Lilly, take this shot that I just pounded to.

And this is like a kind of. interesting thing for the movie. It's like once you consume this red shot of liquid, you can, it's like a universal translator thing. You can understand everybody around you, so everybody's gleepe-clop in the same language. Pretty neat. Pretty neat idea. But you're just watching it in a knockoff Star Wars canteen, which is very annoying. And it's like, oh, okay, we're here to meet somebody that's going to help us out. And here he comes. And it's a big fucking ship. And we, like, I am so

tired of like the big buildup, the ship's landing. It's dramatic. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tops off in the bar, whatever. You wish. Hats are flying. Tits are out. I want to see that, uh, I want to see those goop people's, whatever. And then it's like, we're, we're showing like the boots as this character walks off the ship and it's like, bum, ba-da-bump, but it's like, oh, fuck, Darth Vader type shit. Who's this going to be? And then it's like,

it's Bill Murray so you know what's going to be silly. I hate that reveal so much. And also I just, I love Bill Murray. You know what I mean? I think that we're he's trying to do well, he's trying to do nothing. He's trying to get a paycheck. Absolutely nothing. He's trying to refinish a bathroom.

I don't like, because you think about Jeff Goldblum in Ragnarok, right? And like he is a thousand percent in on that movie and he's having fun with it and they give him a fun costume and he like, he's inhabiting it and he's just he's really having fun here. Bill Murray is being held by

at gunpoint. He's excusing himself the whole time. He literally is like when she, they talk about how he's working with King, he's like, well, you can't resist, you can only resist him for so long. The mouse comes for us all. The Jeff Goldman thing is interesting, because he's,

he's actually trying to buy into that world and play in it. Bill Murray's just, hey, Bill Murray's here. That's what you wanted. Because Bill Murray hates being outside. I think Bill Murray is enjoying old age. I think Bill Murray is enjoying old age. inside having sex with Keyless. Right. Oh, that's over with

but yeah. He was bringing milkshakes to the yard. Good for him. Well, none of this was filmed outside. That's true. But he has to go to the green screen room. But when you're, when the entire tone of your franchise has more or less turned to like,

wasn't that weird and random and we're all too cool for the room, that's been Bill Murray's persona since 1974. Just the whole two cool for the room. I'm over this. Why is anyone caring about this? And like, that works in certain things. Of course it has. It does. That's why he's Bill Murray today, but not here. Well, it's also, it's also a bad character for him because he's supposed to be like her ex-lover. Thank you. Slash.

Right. Resistance fighter that has now completely gone to seed is, is working for the government. That's a cool character. Like, I mean, like, you want more than six lines. But like, at the same time, like, it's just Bill Murray being like, yeah, we have, you can't even get a good because it's a Disney movie, a Bill Murray implied sex with Michelle Pfeiffer joke. He's got 12 of them. She's a pretty good dynamite in a sack.

You could do anything or like, it's got to be a Gatling gun. It can't be a single shot anymore. It's got to be that way. But it's just, he doesn't do it. It's just sort of like, because it's just like, oh, you guys know each other. It's like, yeah, we know each other.

Like, and I'm glad you brought this up because like, yeah, there should be some sense of tension in the character that, yes, he's sold out, but there was some sense of moral and morality in his background, but like you can't even hint that it was their

once. The reasoning they give is what kills that though, right? Because you want it to be something where it's like well he was going to kill my family. Whatever it is but all he says is like well you can only say no to him for so long and it's still when we're doing that him he made me

do all this and Murray's character is that like if you can't beat him join him thing fine I guess. I guess. But, like, the motivation then is just like, well, why did you turn against the resistance? Why are you sort of in line with him now? Shrug. It's laxadaisal in a way. I feel like Garfield is telling me this.

Because Garfield is telling you this. But like, you'd be able to follow it better for lasagna. Of course he's going to. Better drink the red ooze, Arbuckle. But it is actually, you know what? And this, you can tie into your weird old boy reference too. Like make him a completely, you can only eat dirt mites for so. long. Now this is eating.

You know what I mean? Like, sort of like a matrix cypher thing. Yes. Totally. But like even the fucking ooze. That's just hitchhikers guy. Yeah, it is. So he, there is this little cute, adorable thing that's a monstar that he's like, you got to, you have to try

this. It's amazing. And he takes a shot of it. And then he's like, and now I'm going to have to arrest you. And it's like, okay. Bye Bill Murray. Yep. And so, you know, uh-oh, we don't want to get sent to him because he is bad

but so it's like uh oh how do we get out of this well we throw a little ant man disc at a one of the cute little squid shot things and it turns into a big monster if ever there was a world where you could bring in Howard the Duck

yeah could do it here well I mean Howard the Duck has already been in Gardens of the Galaxy two yeah stinger does he actually have a it's a stinger I thought just a I believe, doesn't he show up a little bit in that third one or my nuts? Does he? Oh, I don't know. I saw one time. I wiped that right

out my memory. I like that movie, but I don't remember that. I was, I was busy thinking about how bad my Alamo draft house food was that I was eating at that. I'm not sure. I'm sure it was pretty bad. Drink the ooze. If you're going to do something like that, like to have fun, like this world is so

just like plain. Like, I can't believe it, but I am begging for one of these stupid cameos. Just to light of it out up a little bit. to draw upon. You don't know anything about this resistance that Burl Murray was a part of. You don't really know anything about, what was her name, Jakarta's

Society? Oh, Katana. Oh, whatever. It's in my notes later. Yeah, Katie O'Brien's. Gentura? Yes, whatever it is. But it's just like, I need just world build a little bit. Hold my hand for a fucking second. I know they do hold your hand, but in a different way.

For the wrong stuff. That's right. We're about to because basically they escape and they get on this and it's kind of amazing because also even when I was so thankful and I didn't realize it until it happened when Scott and Cassie finally got caught by Kang and they're

inside jail cells I'm like oh we're inside because so much of this is and again because that's being inside makes the lighting makes sense right there's like an overhead fluorescent and I'm like I get it because even at this bar we're out it's all alfresco and it's like can we just go inside

somewhere like it looks like a place like when you're on vacation and you're like, well, we can have lunch here, but you can still see the beach. No, give me an actual set. Yes, exactly. That includes four walls or whatever. But so they go inside this, they steal Keng's, uh, Krilar's ship.

Crylar is Bill Murray. I don't think we've mentioned that way, yes. Yeah, the squid eats him off screen. Off screen. And that's just real quick about that whole escape. Here's this moment where it's like you have this bar, like it's a bar, restaurant, whatever, like it's a familiar kind of environment where you,

you, and this is a curse of this movie, and a lot of these movies, is like, the action is just about to start, and then you clip it before it really gets going. Like, you could have had a real deal set piece here. And instead, it's like a 15 second Michael Douglas and everybody jump on this ship. He fists the control panel, and they're off to the races. And you see Bill Murray, yeah, it's an off-screen implied maybe that thing eats him, but you don't see it. They also left a Michael Douglas joke on the floor when he's like, at the bar. Does he, Do you serve anything that can actually get me drunk here or whatever? Yes, sir.

You could have had him being like fucking hammered at the end of this. And then he's driving. Oh, man, I'm drunk driving this fistmobile. I guess you can't have drunk driving in a Marvel movie. But I would like to. What is he going to do crash into a squid? It's not going to matter. It would be like in DeVito or in San Diego again.

I haven't been this drunk in a while. I mean, I think what you're talking about and the reason it doesn't feel like none of this feels like it hits as powerfully or as urgently as it should is because they got TV brain. Now everything, since they're building everything for TV as well, the way they have scenes play out is very TV-like. It doesn't have presence and like take time to introduce you to the place and then bring you through it. These are old ideas. Very old ideas. You're no longer filmmaking. No.

Most of, mostly everything here is pre-vis. I doubt is a Peyton Reeves. still. I doubt he had much decision-making. This doesn't feel like him at all. No. This doesn't let the least of him. You strip the artistry out of it. Yeah. And then it's just, this is an assembly line. And it's not difficult to see

it. If you see the first one, a good movie. You see this one piece of shit. Well, that's why the Marvel folks were the people, the suits, were surprised that nobody liked this movie because they're like, no, the suits loved it. It's all, we painted by numbers. This is what you wanted, right? They love it. They made it.

Yes. And it was, and it was. for them, by them, and everyone said this fucking sucks. And we put the good name on it. Why don't you like it? I'm actually surprised that it got as negative reviews. It didn't get negative. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It deserves it. But you, this, it's weird, this Marvel churning machine. It's, you know?

It's entropy, man. It comes for us all. Eventually, like, something, people are getting tired of it, rightfully so. This is when the movie, it's, and I talked about this thing on screen, basically there it's Evangeline Lily Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer sitting at a breakfast nook for like 40 minutes

while we get through exposition and like a flashback stuff but they just keep cutting back to them and they're just like sitting and there's like the ship is going and it's freshly squeezed OJ the eggs are about done yeah exactly it looks like where the fucking

Keaton family would have breakfast on the Family ties. And she explains her relationship. This is when we really finally get into Jonathan Majors as Kang. We are just, I'll tell you this right now, and for whatever it's worth, but like we're so lucky you actually see this in flashback scenes

and not like just staying at that breakfast. Oh, my God. The fact that we actually get to see it, I'm kind of still stunned that they did this whole like 15 minute flashback where we don't cut to anything. She's just there and you let the whole sequence play out and then it cuts back to the kitchenette but like you could have seen that going the other way big time too and basically Kang crashes she nurses him back to health and they totally

fuck right like come on let's let's stop let's don't shit or shit if she's fucking bill murray she's fucking they don't call him the conqueror for nonsense that that that's my one thing is I'm not sure if he fucks and he might be beyond that right he's like an insolves what the idea well like too much of a nerd I'm fucking people in different dimensions right now and feeling it has to hold my essence all of my essences must be held inside yeah I mean if he loses an ounce of his essence perhaps then the other kings the ones dressed up like Egyptians are going to be more takeover oh yeah I don't understand the ones in the stands are fucking jerking off all the time I still don't understand the idea of the multiple uh Kang so you're not

supposed to. So the idea is he going to take over every timeline or whatever, every multiverse. Well, he's destroying these timelines. But then he's, but he's, why wouldn't one of them maybe develop a conscious or not, like, you know what, go against the plan. You should think there'll be a good king. If there's a thousand of them, why wouldn't there be one? I would imagine eventually, if not reality happened, you would have gotten a good king eventually. Well, let's just I'm going to, I'm going to guess

say someone is typing a comment right now about how that's addressed in Loki's season two and that I will say fantastic. That's great. And yes obviously Jonathan Majors fired at the end of December of Long December for that gentleman because the

verdict came in on his domestic assault trial and he was found guilty and that was all Disney needed to say finally like we're that was like six months of will they won't they and they were so now it's a question of are they going to recast because you can because of variance variance variance

I say just end this storyline fast I think so too and also you know why because watching this movie because this movie is like oh man Kang is common I'm like no Kang is right here this is the Seinfeld episode

with Bonya taking going to Mendez like no dude you got your movie I don't care if you just ordered soup you know what I mean like this is the movie Thanos was in those other movies but very sparingly at the end right and the King's fucking talking walking talking character in this

He's the, he is the villain. He has, he has presence, he has agency, he fails, he dies. Yes. That's it. Yep. That's your movie, Banya. There it is. That's that, that, hey, you got a fucking TV series too.

Yeah, exactly. I haven't seen it. Now, it happened. I hate a furthering possibly bogus movie poop shoot kind of news nugs. Yeah, we're right up there with the shoot. Oh, yeah, we're shoot boys. Well, I saw a thing. that was saying

possibly being floated around Coleman Domingo to take over. Sounds great. I'll be into it. He's a really good actor. I would love to see what he has to do. I'd love for that dude to not be fucking squandered in the MCU though. How about that? Well, that's just, again, it's going to come for us all eventually. And like, eventually, unless, you know,

you're a plebe, you are going to be in the MCU in some way. They got Greg Turkenton, for God's sake. Yes, that's true. They took them. Even recasting, I just don't see this being interesting. but maybe that's because it's me. And that's the problem, and this is the problem when you make your,

when you make your artistic storyline have to be announced at Investors Day on a fucking PowerPoint fucking six years earlier because the Kang Dynasty is slotted down in a tent pole,

I think 2026 or whatever it is. So it has to happen or else they have to turn tail which I think they should. But just like maybe we should rein that back in and maybe do all this. first King movie and see what it's like.

If ever there was a good reason to blow it up and start from scratch, it's what happened with Jonathan Majors. Yep. That is all you need to be like, and everybody's going to understand it. Nobody's going to be like, oh, why did this happen? Of course you're going

to get some absolute maniacs on the internet who are going to be like, they should have pushed on. But they don't matter. It doesn't matter. Just fucking stop it. Start from the beginning. Try to do this thing right again. I will say for, I mean, again, like

dude's a piece of shit. He's pretty good in this movie. He's a good actor. He's a good actor. I think. And I also think... Creed three. Also really they were smart in this where they were like, Thanos is so untouchable, unknowable because it's a big purple gloop. Let's just make him a guy.

And I think that's him just being a guy is a good. It's a great instinct. And I think that it's a strength of this movie. What is the... Because I'm ignorant city on this thing but like what what is the comic interpretation of him he's a fantastic four villain where i believe long story short he's a descendant of reed richards's father but like it's it's very similar to to what the this is where he's a guy that is very aware of time travel and the multiverses

and he has all sorts of different versions of himself that like come into play and fight each other and so that is his his bag it's pretty close to this got it the him on his is the throne, like, the way he sits on that throne is very from a comic book. Yes. Oh, okay. That's cool. And like, you know, so like he and Michelle Pfeiffer are, he crashes

like, hey, I could probably get us out of here. If you can fix my ship. She's a science genius. They work together. They fuck. Almost certain. Yeah, it's like, oh, the core that powers this thing. They had a three way with Bill Murray.

Oh, dude, absolutely. Each of you can suck on one of my nipples, excellent. Oh, my God, I'm picturing it now. This is going great. Oh, gosh. So I got a three-shamag with an immortal guy and a washplate. He's got that going for me. Oh, fuck, now we're that regal commercial.

Oh, no. Oh, God. Yeah, and then it's like, oh, okay, after all this time, I finally helped him fix the fucking power source to this engine. So here we go. We're going to put it back into the whole thing is like, him saying to her, like, hey, I can take you back in time. So it's like, you know, you're going to walk right home to your dirder.

And she hasn't, she won't have missed you and blah, blah, blah. You just got to help me get out of here. And as she goes to hook up the power supply, she touches the ship. And there is some fucking mumbo jumbo. Like the ship was powered by his brain waves. So the second I touched it, I got to look into his brain. Hey, whatever movie. brain. And she sees

all the history of all the timelines and the civilizations that he's destroyed. He's that and the other thing. Oh man, he's screaming in all different ways. Oh, that sure is. And he's shooting blue stuff while screaming. It's pretty good. Sure. Like what do I care about other timelines?

Like let them end. Let mine end. I don't care. That's a deal he offers her and it's a pretty sweet deal. She's trapped on Hell Island. There's no apartment buildings yet. But we wouldn't have any But he's like, listen, I He's like, listen, I will take

A fun character, Chris. I will take you back to your timeline. You won't even miss a beat. And you know what? I'll shake your hand and I won't even fuck with your timeline. Your timeline, I'll leave alone. Well, sounds pretty good to me, dude. I mean, I don't know, dude. Well, because I would just assume every other timeline is a Nazi timeline anyway. Sure. They think it's all going to fuck to be everyone ends up that way. right always comes I mean if not it comes close and then blows up

and so yeah she is like hey second thought this is some bad vibes I don't want to do this she pulls the thing out starts running away with it it's a little bit of a cat and mouse

hanging for a second kind of uncomfortable to watch with the recent news at this point and then kind of a neat thing here Janet throws out a couple of them amp man tokens I don't know what they're called their ant man tokens

it's fine. You can use it to grow and shrink things and they also will activate a ski ball machine. Absolutely. And you can use them as beer tickets at the bar. And if you have enough of them, you get a large comb at the end of the day. Oh, hell yeah. Kings among men. Well, no, you just buy one beer. You put the big one on it. That's it. That's your fucking night right there. And also, I mean, how many tokens did you have with you, Janet? You know what I mean? You had a whole lot of some. Yeah, that's true. There seems to be no concern for that. Because that must be like a million dollars of pop. Yeah, exactly. She throws it on it and it expands greatly to the point where it can't be used anymore.

He screams. And at this point, he now has his costume. So he has like his shoot laser rays and stuff. There is someone. Good looking costume, by the way. It's a pretty cool costume. With the Joker colors, though. It's a weird.

Someone definitely, I think it's Michelle Pfeiffer is like, once he had his suit, his power was, and I was just like, I don't know anything about this character. please elaborate a little bit or don't say anything in the first place one or the other I will say that from what I read of the character in the comic books he's like a little bit more mischievous

he like enjoys like sewing discord like he's so again like with everything else he's so grave and serious in this movie and like yes Jonathan Major is a monster but like also a good actor so he can ride it but like it just doesn't give me what I want from a villain like this. Actually, no objection, Your Honor, because I think the rest of this movie

is so silly. I'm glad that he isn't. Apparently there was earlier drafts of it where he was crack at jokes and was sillier. And then they decided to bring him down into more of this imperious, pitiful kind of dude. They should have brought everything down. Yeah. To Christmas point, like usually the villain isn't the straight man in the movie. Yeah. That's a little weird. But essentially you just said straight man though because like I had the same thought. But the difference between like there's a there's I think a world of difference between a straight man character which the straight man functions as a vessel for the comedy to happen because without that the wacky characters are all just wacky so it bounces off and that's how comedy

happens but straight man is one thing a grave serious fucking genocidal madman is not a straight man yeah because you can't bounce comedy off that so like people are being wacky and then here's this dude from what appears to be another movie altogether. Yeah, exactly. And you know why? Because he's waiting for the next movie. He's got a bus ticket for the next movie that he is just waiting. I guess I'm so I wait here. The next movie

is coming here. Okay, I'll be here. Eventually the fucking third fourth Captain America movie, if it ever comes out, if that comes out, maybe then we'll understand the seriousness. I want everyone else to be a little more dour and I wanted him to have a little more charisma. You know, like Saddam Hussein.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Duffy. Yes, like an evil guy, but he would still be fun at the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, he's got multiverses to fix. And he's just, I have to save it from all my fucking inbred other versions of me. They are like he-haw and fucking hooting and hollering. They are. And I guess they all work together is the idea?

Well, they're under the, I mean, what the scene that the Stinger suggests is that there's three main ones. Yeah. The Pharaoh guy. the other like I don't is it supposed to be like you just say hat another big hat guy and then there's one he looks like an oil

the robot yeah the robot kind of thing yeah yeah yeah so that's all fun one of them I think is a mortis which is another because there's a lot of villains that kind of get retrofitted into Kangs later on in comics which is a cool idea you know what he means like oh no that guy was a Kang oh he was Kang all along yeah exactly meanwhile Scott and Cassie

I guess continuing the political strife that she has. She's like, we should help these people in quotation marks. He's like, no, we need to find our way home. That's the and then like three, two, one, oh, here comes Kang's ship. No, we're going to capture. Well, that's exactly. It's like,

oh, we should help these people. No, we shouldn't. And then Gentora comes out of nowhere with this fucking off the top turnbuckle. You've led them to us. I'm like, okay. And then this is what, this is the... How many times you heard that? A lot. Right? Yeah. And then this is, oh, who Who's been led where?

This is the introduction of Modoc. Modoc is who kidnaps them and brings them to Kang's jail. And this is, I'm sorry. I really like Corey Stoll as an actor. There's absolutely no reason for this to be him. It's awful. He's got the mask.

Keep it down the entire. It looks so much better because it's, there's a level of, which is something, which is the problem where, A, you shouldn't have done Modoc in the first place. Because they can't get to a, level of unreality in these movies. It has to be close to

photolistic. And when you do that, it's a big baby head with little arms and it looks gross and not funny. And also it looks terrible. Actual modoc would look more like a Dick Tracy villain inside of that same. No, you're right. You'd have a weird extended nose and weird looking eyes. You can't do it

in live action. Maybe in the... That would be angry. Across the Spider-Verus, something like that. You could have a Modoc. They did moda. There was a Modoc cartoon and I think Pat Nosswald voiced it. Really. Oh, good for him. Yeah. God, what was that on like FX or something?

Maybe Hulu, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Either or, but like, yeah, but, like, yes, if you Dick Tracy tithes him a little bit, where, like, the face isn't exactly just Corey Stoll's face bit mapped onto this, like, character. But, hey, how are you then going to do Michael Scott-esque jokes with the fucking cast if you don't have him be looking kind of normal and it being kind of weird? There is also, there is a weird, so you get like this really, because you, you just see his little ass, too. You do, because I feel like, you do see the little ass and I miss the little cheeky ass.

You get a little cheek thing because in this quick, so while the Michelle Pfeiffer flashback is going on in the fucking RV breakfast note, you also have this other very quick flashback of them being like, Darren, why are you in this movie? And he's like, well, let me tell you. And he's like, Kang saved me. Kang, the one who found me when you sent me down here. And, like, when you see him crash land, he's already shaped, like, Moda? And then it's like he, you see nothing, like, he's picked up by, like, invisible hand. This is where you get the butt cheeks and the little legs. And it's like, Kang rebuilt me and made me this, you know, machine for death, whatever. Like, if maybe he's being shrunk down at the end of that first movie, you assume he just dies. If his, like, suits being destroyed and it destroys his body as he's going down.

Yeah, like crumbles him a little bit. Right. You get a little Vader on the beach there. I love that And then Kang as the emperor comes and rebuilds him I also you know So now I'm wondering So like he's got butt cheeks

On the back of his In the back of his head I guess It would be the idea Where the butt cheeks would be They're like lower Lower back of the head Yeah

The penis would be on like the chin there Like oh yeah That's why he's got the The chin strap thing around it So he's not dangling brain There's a jock underneath there Got it. Yeah just keep that all protected

You know you don't want your little tallywacker hanging out there you know what I mean you already look stupid enough you don't need a dick hanging off your chin but it's I mean like the the CGI couldn't look worse I can't get it's I mean the flash movie which we will talk about live on February 1st

9 p.m. beats it because of those effects but man is this so close or you just you could even just do like have him have his actual head and then like a robot shit around it just a floating head I'm fine with that Yes.

Yeah. It just, it looks so bad because they cram it into this artifice thing. And it's, he's all stretched out. It doesn't make any sense. The stretching for me is what's, he'll say NBA Jam Bighead.

It does. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Man, I hated Big Head mode. But yes, it's that the stretching is what I think was like what really killed it for me.

Because I can't look at stuff that's out of proportion. Yes. It's too many years of being a projectionist and having to stare at screens and making sure that that shit looked right. So when it doesn't, and it's intention. intentionally that way, I'm like, fuck you. And he's like blurry. He's like blurry, too,

honestly. Like it just, it's like the mask, like the glass or whatever was like a broken television. And I don't like the whole fucking it's not Darren, it's Modoc thing. Wherever that is, I'm not fond of it. Yes. Because you know what that is

is that's like you're really pushing it like, no everybody, it's Modoc now. You know, movie fans get ready to love Modoc. Yeah. And I'm sure, again, I think that the Marvel executive's like, oh, man, people are going to love Modoc. People are going to cheer in the theater. Yeah, exactly.

Wait for their applause break. And now you can talk. Hey, you know, I'm sure there's a couple dudes with some Modoc tattoos that were super stoked. And hey, man, I'd be pretty mad. If I was a dude that loved Modoc so much that I got a Modoc tattoo and then I saw that shit in Modoc's movie debut. Oh, I'd be furious. Odok a name only, man.

Modoc a name only. Well, yeah, but you know half of them are just to like swallow it down. and keep on going. They're like, no, I fucking love it. You got a lie to yourself. I love that my hero looks like shit. But so he captures them and again, thank God. Now we're in a cell.

Again, they're in cells and like this little neon lighting. I'm like, oh, wow, this looks like something. And here comes Jonathan Majors to give an impassioned speech to Scott that he just needs him to do this. Or, and if not, you know, he's going to kill his dirder. And now his precious baby dirty. Not my durter. Not my dirter. I will take your dirter from you.

This is a question I have about this being seen specifically because I think this is where it happens. Is he changing the way he talks at a certain point in the movie? Because in the early scenes, like him being like, help me with Michelle Pfeiffer and all that stuff, he's kind of talking one way. And then once we get to this jail scene, it's a bit more theatrical.

Oh, yeah. I think he's definitely, I mean, because, I mean, they talk about, like he was clearly playing her in the beginning. Like so he was trying to like make her feel as much a product of some sort of reshoot. He was doing the performance. Well, he's got to be either way. It could be that very well, but it works. He's got to be booming now that he is the force powers.

Exactly. Oh, that's true. He's got the force. Yeah, King uses the force. He does. Straight up Darth Vader's shit. Yeah, yeah. And he's got, I mean, that's, you know what?

Here, missed opportunity. these blue blasts and shit just make it lightning lightning powers just fucking do it if you're gonna do it do it if you're gonna do it gang's mask in the comics is the blue mask that he gets sometimes in this where like

it's like more of a face visor thing and he's got the light on top like he's the 60 year old man at a restaurant and he needs to see what the venue is those people got to be stopped could we get some modoc for the table living modoc I want to eat it while it's alive and swallow it

Are you going to the abyss? Why are you, what is this? And after a long back and forth, he explains that there is something coming that he needs to stop and, you know... It's a great exchange between him and Scott Lang where it's like, yes, you know, something's coming. And Scott Lang says, what's coming?

And what Kang responds with is me, a lot of me. And I wanted to have on little a little asterisk there or a little ellipses and then say, in the next coming movies because that's literally what this exchange is like what's coming a bunch of movies

with me in it that's what's coming yeah that's why all that shit is just the coming attractions yeah you get to see

the guy with the hat and the guy with the Egyptian stuff and you're like whoa a few movies from there will be something

that scene you're talking about that was a threat and quantum mania and these other movies that came out in 233 God bless them

they are the ant man who stopped this from coming true we are not going to see many more of things, I mean, other than the court system

as well, they put it end to it. The Southern District of New York took care of these movies. Thank you. Thank you for all your good work. So, Ant Man agrees to help. With a, one of the most, and this is why it's like, Ant Man in this portrayal from

Paul Rudd is a certain kind of hero, right? And that superhero is not one that can turn to the villain and go, and if you ever touch my daughter again, I'm like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, Ant Man don't make threats like this.

This is really bad. Him being tough is tough because later in the movie when he's a giant, he's like, Kang, we had a deal. And I'm like, dude, Paul Rudd, A, doesn't give a shit, and B isn't pulling it off. Our word is our boss. It's like, stop its screenplay, stop as big, dumb ant man starts galloping down, crushing all this, nothing. And it's not, he's not that guy, either A, because, again, he doesn't give a shit or

be because that's just too stretching for the character who's supposed to be kind of a dopey nice guy. Yes. Him being a tough guy doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't. I'll tell you something here about this. So the Kang gets him finally and does the force powers. Cassie's maybe going to get hurt. They go to

the abyss where he had, where the thing shattered, the time where the engine grew. Yes, turned into the thing. Yes. And this scene is lit. I mean, almost identically. And the whole thing is presented almost identically to when

Han is about to be put into carbonite. Yeah. Like there's a bunch of this red lighting with the darkness around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like literally your Darth Vader Kang is right there. Yes, you're right. And there's two guys holding Cassie instead of Leo, which is a little weird change up there. But this is that scene where he's like, all right. And he dives into the middle of this core to find it. Dad, I love you. I know.

I'll be back. Don't you worry. Yeah, so he jumps into the whole ideas they keep saying, like, you know, you shrink down, you know, to pass through the eye of the storm to get to the middle of this thing. Gobbley gook. It is, it is some super gobbledy gook. So much to the point where I was like, why did you need Ant Man to do this? Why can't you use some of your force powers to do it? He does that shrink. That's the thing.

It's all about shrinking. I see. It's just, huh. Yeah. Who would have guessed it was all about shrinking. What are the odds? You know what? we haven't had a good

multiplicity joke in like so long so here we go we get to have Paul Rudd eye like a series of Paul Rudd's are created out of possible what is it called the possibility storm the fucking stupidest shit I've ever heard it's like every decision you would make

makes another one of you it's a probability quake so like and you know to my point of wouldn't Nickang be good wouldn't one of these guys be bad or shoot himself in the hand or please please just once but this is what it's and it just kills himself that's always that's always a possibility folks you never know it i mean it's like hey man you don't want this dude to get his hands on this engine or whatever like i mean i guess then you know

cassie is injured but an ant man like this is how i'll solve this blow my brains out right you're telling me that's not a possibility it's just no possibility or murder suicide kill your daughter People do it every day. Happens. The bad joke here is the Baskin-Robbins, Scott Lang, where it's like... I'm wearing normal clothes. If you're doing that for the one, it needs to be all of them. It doesn't work.

It has to, you then have to look like how the Kangs look. There's a fat one. There's a whatever, you know. Because then in this scenario, it's like you're in this quantum realm or whatever. And one of you puts on those clothes to go to work. at the ice cream parlor you wouldn't do that right no no you wouldn't do that it makes no sense

and where would you get the clothes you need to go out of your way to a have a little branded material here got a little bit of that sweet sweet basket money but B make fun of their employees at the same time couldn't you imagine if Scott Lang had to do what you fucking do you look like such a fucking idiot but the ice cream is so

good he would never do that except for in the first movie he would do that for at least two scenes and so you got this thing where it's like he's drowning in a pile of Scott Langs. He's being buried alive with himself. And then it's like, no, guys, we got to work together. Everybody think about

Cassie. Because all of them would love Cassie, so they're all going to help each other. And we're doing this thing where it looks like the zombie horde from World War Z. Yes, I thought the exact same thing. It's saddling shit with this. And then of course, this is the one moment. I mean,

she really does get to save the day. the wasp comes in with all the other wasps. Because we should say, they're both sort of, they're both traveling to Mordor at the same time. We're doing with the Breakfast, We're driving, we're driving, we're really hauling ass. Yeah, exactly.

We stopped for gas. Everybody had lunch. Now I'm back to fisting this Ford Wind Star and driving to Mordor. When you separate your cast like that, they should be in different places. I feel like they were just in the same. It all looked the same.

Yeah, it all looked identical. Every location looked like they were the same place. You're thinking about Empire's, strikes back, Daigaba versus Cloud City. Holy shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Swamp area, crazy Cloud City. That would be world building. That would require thought. That would be thinking any of this happened.

I mean, even Mad Max, the wastelands, the desert, cigarette city. There's all these places. You just made me realize, though, Steve, that, like, Bill Murray in this movie is the Lando Cal Rizzi. I guess so. Well, think about it. That's what they're doing. what the dynamic is and just think about...

The dress, too. The way he dresses and stuff. Think about how much better it's executed in Empire. Well, yeah. You truly belong with us here amongst the smalls. See, why don't we make Marvel movies into Star Wars and we make our Star Wars into Marvel? You're exactly right. That's what they did.

Oh my God. You're causing a probability storm here. I might kill myself. And you know, Evangeline Lily, because she's in this movie. God bless her. She saves the day using her little Wasp Blast things. I mean, I really think she has a 12 lines of dialogue.

I'm not, like, she does stuff. It's because she refused to get vaccinated so she couldn't film, right? Is that it? We're just going to post we're going to like paste your face on a body and you don't have to talk. Okay, at the end of the movie when she saves the day finally yet again, and there's

this moment and I thought of it's, you know, they hug because they're romantically involved. Yeah, yeah. They like to tell you that, yeah, sure. They are romantically involved. They hug and they look at each other. I forgot that. And then they hug again.

And I'm like, shouldn't they make out? But maybe because she wasn't vaccinated. He was like, not on my wife. Good for you, Paul Rudd. Possibly and or because mommies and daddies are only allowed to kiss each other. We haven't seen them get legally married yet. Yeah, I guess that's true. He does have a real, I mean, this line falls down like a fish that got dropped at the Seattle fish market.

dude, at the end there where he's just like, I love you, Hope. I was like, do you really, Aunt Man? It's just not in the movie. So whatever, she saves him, but, uh-oh, Kang now has what he wants. He captures Janet and, like, blows up their ship. Michael Douglas is presumed dead.

He sure is. Yeah, you see it sort of crashing out of the sky. And then it's hilarious because Michelle Pfeiffer is like, holy shit, Michael Douglas. Uh, hey, movie, I'm going to go see what happened to Michael Douglas. And she literally runs out of the movie right here. That's great. Well, no, she goes to do that

and then Kang takes her and goes through the portal to go into his ship thing. Right here it'd be good. Oh, damn it, Janet. It would be great. It would be great. But no, and like, you know, the Ant Man and the Wasp are like

knocked out here for some reason. And now we're just, it's it's Cassie time, I guess, right? It's her she saves Katie O'Brien here for some reason? She does because like Katie O'Brien has also been locked up at this point and she breaks her out and it's like

hey I'm sorry I had your civilization destroyed but I want to like help you now and this is where you're like oh no she's a real character oh we needed more like for when she saves her and then like later on they become buddies and like we just need it a little bit more at the tops that this mattered and again like

I think Katie O'Brien's great I think she's gonna like this year's gonna be good for her she's gonna become a movie star but I just You have her right here. She's ready to do it. She's in this stupid outfit. Like just give her lines to say she'll say it. You're going to get that when she pairs up with the hawk bird or whatever they're calling

a hawk guy, daughter. Harvey Birdman attorney at law. And Rocket Raccoon and all the other like new phase like heroes. Kitty O'Brien's done. She's going to be in the quantum realm forever and we'll never see her again. You don't think so. I think so. Yeah, I think she's done.

Because to bring that character into something else, you have to acknowledge. that this movie exists and I feel like they really don't want to do that. Because then you're going to have to like explain it. Well, they didn't even really explain it here. So who the fuck? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. But so, yeah, she saves her and like, it's a thing where like, we have to

work together. It's the only way we're going to be able to defeat Kang. Yes. And it's like this is the big like uprising moment where she gets all these gleeplops all pumped up. Like, let's go fight the dudes that look like a rip-off fucking Tron characters. This is the problem.

Yeah, you got like those faceless sort of Stormtrooper-ass guys. Then you got the Gleap Glop's that are just on a back. So it's like you got CGI stormtroopers. You got CGI Gleap Glop's on a CGIP stage. Yep. You got like two humans. Yeah. It's, it's this movie is the uncanny,

Uncanny Valley to such a degree. Yeah, you're right. I can't focus on it. No. It's nothing's happened. It's a screensaver. But didn't you love it that when they're going into Bats. and no sleep till Brooklyn kicks in.

Oh, wait, sorry. Wrong, stupid movie. Objection, that kind of ruled. I liked it. I'm sure you did. The other thing here about this whole sequence that I was going to mention is what? Now I don't realize.

Oh, the movie has the audacity. So the big, you know, we're having this big fight. We're fighting all these fake stormtrooper tron things and whatnot. And like, cannon head guy gets killed. Yes. And you can tell that the movie, it's almost like you're watching it. The movie's like, hey, oh, never mind. Because the movie for a second goes to make a big deal out of it. Like, oh, man, this guy's sacrificing himself to save the other Gleeplop friends.

But then the movie's like, oh, wait a minute. Nobody knows what this thing is. Nah, let's just move on. Another canon-headed guy to Harhan and Star Wars. Sure. Expanded universe. Much more compelling character. Thank you.

Did this first. another cannon-headed guy you might know came around a couple thousand years ago with a couple of wacky ideas Jesus Christ Yeah that was his Died for our sins Well that's I mean you know like yeah

Because you're absolutely right Andrew Because like they're like It takes a little longer to kill him Like there's a little no And but you also You can hear their brain being like What if we put a fart noise When he died

What am in a baby? Let me see it both ways. Let's see. We won't use a fart noise, but I liked it. If it plays, I'm all for it. Speaking of it, if it plays earlier on, Goop Guy, so Goop Guy, played by the great David Deschamalian, happy a great year. His thing is, like, he's going to give, he's the guy that gives the goop that

allows people to see, hear stuff, and his joke earlier on the movie is like, oh, my God, you have holes, I don't have holes. I made a goop. And then later he gets shot in the movie. And it's like, I have holes. now and you know they expected the fucking thunderous feet the Oppenheimer feet

stamping. Yes feet stamping. I like t-shirts made I have holes now. Oh dude we are we are trying to make holes a thing. Yes we are. I mean I did hear the Oppenheimer stumps but for a different reason. I mean

this part is so dumb because again it's like you don't know anything about this little guy. He's cute and Natsmachin gives him like a good voice and whatever and it's fine. But like when he gets shot, you're like, all right, he's dead. But then that just activates this thing. It grows into a huge monster and eats all these people. And then you're like, you're thinking like, what the fuck? And then because of like this Marvel style guide for these movies, someone in the movie has to go, hey, did you guys know that he

could do that? I'm like, come on. Did you? Oh my God. It's so obnoxious. Look, it's not just one cypher anymore. Fuck it. They're all the audience. Every one of the fuckers, you're going to comment on the action. You're going to come on the action. Fuck you. Meanwhile, Michael Douglas has already saved the day

with his army of ants. That has been something, something time zone. Now they've lived thousands of years that have evolved and are really smart. Oh, dude, don't get up to go to the bathroom when Michael Douglas is throwing this out there because you'll be lost forever.

He was like, oh, yeah, when we all got sucked down, the ants went a different way. and they lived thousands of years and built this whole fucking society. I was like, wait a second. Two times I almost laughed. I laughed at this movie. And both times I've seen the movie.

One is when Michael Douglas goes, hey, that guy, holy shit, that guy is like broccoli. Yes. Just because it's funny. When they first get to the Gleap Gap camp and they're looking around like, nobody looks the same at all. The second one is when he's talking about the end society.

They build a technocratic society. Now, socialism is a loaded term. And then he gets cut off. It's humorous. It's Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas is always at least charming in someone. He said he's down for the next one if he dies, which is always my favorite thing that will say in these things.

I'll do one more, but it has to be the end of me. It has to be. Yep. Kill me in this one, please. Yes, I beg of you. I got enough garages built onto my house and, you know, Catherine doesn't need any more cars. So kill me in the next one.

It's fine. And, you know, so he's riding all these ants and he's saving the day. This is when Big Scott Lang is not selling it with Kang, we had a deal. It's so bad, dude. It's like it's like in

the Ironclaw when Zach Efron's not good on the mic. Yes, exactly. And it's just like, this should be a booming, threatening thing right now, Zach Efron, and it doesn't work out. It's the same thing with Ant Man, dude. You don't sound threatening at all. So we shouldn't take it the mic from him, honestly.

We should say also at this point, Kang has taken Michelle Pfeiffer to his headquarters here, which also turns out to be like just a huge ship that he's built to get out of there. The big hideout, and he reveals like, oh, look at this. I have this army of what the subtitles on Disney Plus were calling these Stormtrooper guys, quantum knots, by the way. I had that too. It's this army of quantum knots and like these dudes are going to help me out.

This is like, another big scene of theirs where he's like, what did you see when you touched my ship? And she's like a monster that wants to kill, blah, blah, well, just essentially just rehashing all of that shit that you knew. Just to remind you what's happening. It is uncomfortable that he is paired against a woman in most of this and like really like throwing her around the room a lot. Yeah, it's quite uncomfortable.

Another reason that it's just like the rewatchability of this movie is decimated. He goes outside because they're all like storming the castle and stuff. It turns into like, I play Tetris on my phone. and every so often I have to watch an ad for like any one of those like army games where it's like the thousands of people that you have to zap with the lasers. And that's what this is.

It's exactly that. It is a mobile it's the Kang mobile game. It does look like that. Oh my God, you're right. That's unsettling. You're totally right. Where he's going to zap all these. He's zaping everybody. I think this is what he kills Cannonhead Guy RIP. Now at the R.

Now at the R. Our death cannonhead guy. And whatever. Like, you know, Scott Lang is going to fight him. There's a thing that happens here. And again, I've mentioned it with the, the Bill Murray scene. These movies love kneecapping any attempt at like a one-on-one fight or like an action sequence. Like, they set up this thing where it's going to be Cassie versus Modoc. Oh, right.

And then it's like, it's not this, but it might as well be them running at each other. And we just cut away. And when I was rewatching it, because I didn't remember, I just saw it in theaters last year. And that was it. I haven't been watched it since. I'm watching it last night. And I'm like, well, surely we come back to this fight at some point. Nope. It's just completely gone. There's a thing where they're about to fight. It cuts away and it never cuts back to them fighting. But at this point, she has become a giant woman. Oh, man. Here she comes. A giant teenage girl. I had no idea. We should say five stars on the old letter box. Speaking of her changing sizes and whatnot Another obnoxious thing is like When they fly into the realm and whatever

At the beginning of the movie They're falling down a mountain And this girl's like fucking hitting rocks And fall it all over the place And get the ship beat out And he has to Scott has to activate His Ant Man suit and save her and whatever And then like 30 minutes later in the movie

She reveals that she has an Ant Man suit And I'm like She was just getting her ass whipped by that cliff for nothing Yeah like I was like what why why would you hold that back? Because of course she has one. You know? It's a dumb...

Because we told me... We already said it up earlier. If you got a speaking role in one of these movies, you got a suit that can appear on you. You got a suit. You're going to become somebody. Just wait. Three more of these. So would it be possible for her to crush the wasp

in one of these seats? Just out of curiosity. Smash it. No, I'm the answer. Oh, yes. Step on me. Maybe the wasp becomes big too Oh my god

And then Michelle Pfeiffer gets big And it's a big three-way And she has big heels too And I'm swimming in their ooze And maybe she's doing the dishes Like my mom used to Wait, what? This is the weirdest pitch I've ever sat through

But you know what, Greenlight Yeah, we like It does sound good It's $150 million. It's Marvel, it starts says Marvel, Yeah, okay, green light. So who is, is it, is it Cassie that convinces Modoc to be good? Yes, because like that's, I think the fight is cut, but like he's like beaten and then she's like,

don't be a dick, which is kind of a dude. That's the big thing. And like that's, I mean, it's literally like, this is smarter than your action movie where you would just be beating the shit out of each other or shooting each other or knifing each other to death. We're going to, like society should, we're going to have a. a social worker fight where we talk about what we really

have been repressing. She's young, she's political, she's better than, you know, just talk it out. Nope, no need for that violence right there, the reason that most people go to the movie. What if she popped him like a grape? Oh, I would love that. That would be

great. I would take that. Modoc goes splat. Can I be, does modoc go to the bottom of her foot? I can be modoc. I don't know if we mentioned it exactly, but the Holes guy, the Uzman, does a Kirby on some

Yeah, he sounds like, he noms them. Yeah, we talked about that? I talked about it when I mentioned the fact that it does that and then comes to nothing. It's another like, did anybody know you could do that? Okay, yeah, yeah. See, the thing is, it's like this movie is such a boring nothing. I'm spacing out doing the podcast.

You can call it back all you want, the Oscar Isaac. They have wings now? They have wings now. Yes, exactly. They fly now, yeah, yeah. They fly now. Yes, but so now Modoc is a good guy. Like, Kang is, I think, about to beat everybody.

But then Modoc shows up, and he's like, my name is Darren, and I'm not going to be a dick. Because Modoc is, Modoc's kind of driving around, not Modic, excuse me. Kang right here is kind of driving around in his own kind of Pope Mobile. Yeah, it's like a vehicle with a force field over it. And this is, at the same time, they're trying to like break into it

can't we can't we can't and the ants have come in at this point Michael Douglas and his army of ants I want one from Michael Douglas you fuck my wife you fuck my wife and the ants can't break the force field either so then this is Modak comes in and he does some sort of

electroshock thing it destroys the force field and then all the ants can take Kang away and it kills Modoc essentially and now everyone is like and again like here's the Marvel problem is

Modoc is dying he just saved the day for a real thing right he saved this society he saved all of our heroes and friends and it's a joke but it's funny that Modoc is dying and like what am I supposed to

that's not how an action movie has to work like if he saved the day it should be oh man and this guy was like totally like he was the littlest one of them all and he did it but it's like oh man he's gross and silly looking and it's like you know Paul Rudd's, like, trying not to vomit.

He's like, you really did a good job, Darren. You are an Avenger. Well, no, we're stuffing that bad joke in there, right? Because he's like, at least I died an Avenger. Yes. You know, this whole thing of like, and this is, it's peppered throughout these movies. It's like people wanting to be parts of the Avengers. Of course.

Wouldn't you want to be, don't, doesn't everybody want to just be part of the Avengers? Isn't that what you're thinking about every day? I want to be blipped. Put me back to the blip. That sounds better for sure. The cold, cold. gray dust of the blip. Honestly, the blip sounds great because otherwise,

every single day, it's like, oh, the fucking phantom guys from the other realm is destroying us again. Oh, it's a different one. You know, this one just has a purple costume, not a purple face. Oh, more sky dragons. Yeah. I was thinking about this, the blip.

So the blip is, Theta snaps his fingers, and then all beings in the universe, in the known galaxy. Sure, yeah. Split and half. Half of them go away. Half get to stick around. But mathematically, like, that would mean, like, it wouldn't necessarily be half of, like, because that's not how that would work, right? If it's, if you're saying half of the earth splits, that makes sense.

Or even, like, think about this room. If half this room split, two of us would be gone, two of us would stay. Right. If half of New York split, all four of us could be fine. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if you go out that far to, oh, I like this idea. A gazillion of people, like, maybe like three people from Earth disappear.

You know what I mean? If you're doing it. Well, is it like half of the universe or is it half of the universe or is it? half of every planet or every single other it's like that Spotify random thing where you get the same

the same artist twice like that's not fucking random but it actually is right you gotta get Thanos and his goth band to have like those visors

and like do the calculations because I can't I have no idea get some adding machines in here it would be great to be snapped his fingers and then like

just fucking hawkye disappears like well I mean trust me on other planets they are decimated oh yeah they're really fucked

it's more than just bow and arrow guy. I mean, it seems like a big dramatic way to just get rid of Hawkeye, but I swear I was rolling the dice, all right? And to be clear, I'm a fan of his music. He's pretty good. He should have

disappeared. And then when they restore the blip, it's like, oh, God, we got violent homeless Thanos. I will not live in a tent city. Another thing, instead of riding the little rascal scooter, he's pushing around a shopping car.

Another, I think, because it's, you know, the end of this whole battle, but something that happens kind of before it, when it's giant Cassie and giant Ant-Man, Cassie doesn't have a helmet. Oh, right. See this actress. Exactly.

That's doing that. That does it more for people. Why I. Oh, God's like God should have a fucking helmet on. Oh, my God, it's a big ponytail. A giant ponytail. A ponytail slug. As a river, a riverous ponytail.

You could get lost in that thing. But the thing with Ant Man being big like this, I realized, was like, because it just, when you're seeing him, especially from far away, and he's talking, and it's just Paul Rudd ADR, we need some R.D.J. going into Iron Man's helmet cam. Yeah, a little bit of something. We need to see Paul Rudd in the suit. Yeah. And, like, when he's normal sized Ant Man or whatever, like, you kind of don't.

need it because you can see his eyeballs through the red visor, whatever, and it's fine. But when he's that big and there's no detail on that, it's like I need to see inside that helmet. I need to see Paul Rudd's face because so much of this movie at this point, it's all sequence you don't see his face

ever. And it's just him doing angry Paul Rudd, which again, does not work. And then finally we do the thing. Like, I think Kang has been like bested by some by the end. He gets shoved into like a power conduit for the engine and kind of gets like there's a fight back in his office right that's what everybody leaves this is what the portal

happens that's right everybody leaves because he's that's right he's dragged away by the ants and you think he's done and like everybody's leaving i was like wow we really did it and Scott goes last but uh oh here comes kang and he starts beating the shit out of him and again like this is thanos in those earlier movies has had ever only been like sitting in a chair and being like do this do that next time gadget right but once he fights ant man And loses, that's it. You had a movie. You've had the entire movie.

Yep. You're absolutely right. You know, it's a pretty brutal fight. And you can't make me, like, have this expectation and this desire to see more movies where the big villain that Ant Man defeated already. Exactly. He's going to, oh, no, trust me, he's dangerous. He got defeated by Ant Man. But he got defeated by Ant Man.

Eric, it's not going to be him, though. It's going to be Empirous. Right. He's got an eye patch now He's a totally different character Oh look out that's a Pope There's the Pope one No yeah he's just

Kang's a girl He's got a bow in his head Yeah I don't know This one he's just got really long teeth Fang Oh yeah From the long teeth of hers Yeah okay

But yeah so there is a good I will give it this During that fight with Ant Man and Kang There's Kang has some sort of like Well you're not gonna win now And I do like Ant Man's line of, I don't have to win. We just both have to lose.

Yes. And he, he shut, this is when he shoves him into the thing and it destroys the portal. Which is great. And meanwhile, right before the portal destroys, what's her face, eventually Lily comes in and zaps, Kang, a bunch and like kind of saves the day. You came back for me. Yeah. And like

the portal is destroyed. And it's so hilarious where it's like, oh my God, they're never going to go. Oh, no, Cassie just bleep, blue block. There it is. Dude. And it is so a disregard for that kind of danger they find themselves in like oh I guess like they spent about 16 to 19 seconds being scared that they'll like be in the quantum realm forever

and the movie is so not concerned with any tension about this this is when they have the really terrible I love you home part and they're kind of like mom and dad are hugging you leave six inches for the Lord and everything and then the portal just opens behind them out of focus No tension whatsoever.

And they're like, you want to go home? And not even like, oh my God, thank God. How did you do it, Cassie? Well, because the kids, all their kids are geniuses. And they're the future, Chris. Well, that's, I mean, it would be hilarious. Get me one of them that just has like a total loser kid. Can't get fucking can't start a car correctly.

But also like if you are doing this where you're building up for the Kang Dynasty movie, this, then the other thing. And you're already, you know, mimicking empire strikes back so much. Leave them there. Yes. Don't worry. I'm sure there'll be another movie or something to get them out of it. We're going to build a better, you know, Janet and your grandpa, your pepaw are going to fucking raise you. And we're going to take care of this world and we're going to build up and make sure everybody down here is good.

Also, don't worry, there will definitely be sequels with Jonathan Majors coming that will explain everything that happened here. But that's why I think is it the stinger at the end of the second one that I think is actually pretty effective. because it's like, oh, the day is saved. We're just doing another silly ant-man science test. And then the blip happens and Paul Rudd vanishes. Yes. He gets stuck in the quantum zone. Oh, yes.

Oh, yeah, right? That's right it is. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, you'll be back in five seconds. We'll just, all I'll do is hit this button, he'll be back. That's what it is. And it ever gets blipped out. And that's like a good, that's a cliffhanger.

Yeah, you're totally right there. Leave them in there. Like, but it just shrugs itself back open. And he's like, hey, Pee-Paw is going to go rehydrate a pizza. let's go home. Because then in the next movie or whatever, you can have them hanging out with Katie O'Brien.

There's like an aunt butler. Yeah, sure is. Ooh, an ant butler. I'd like one of those little guys, huh? And then so that the outro is basically mimicking the intro. He's walking down the street again. It's more Paul Rudd voiceover.

Well, he saved the world again. And like this whole thing is so aggravating because the entire scene is just him being like, Kang's gone, right? Kang's gone. Kang's not coming back. King's not good of you know the movies.

And it's like, I know. I know. Sally knows little Jimmy knows. Everybody watching this movie knows. He's supposed to be coming back. King, you even believe it. It's just such a wasted little thing. And he goes back in and he's like, fucking Neil Hamburger makes him a fucking bad birthday cake.

And we go to this restaurant and peepaws around the table. Everybody's having dinner. we're singing happy birthday. It is kind of a nice her being like, it's not my birthday and him saying like I have a few to make up for it. That's fine. That's kind of something.

It's nice. Whatever. Bad cake. You know, to go out on the like, Greg Tirkent can't make a cake. Bad cake joke. Great cake because it's from Baskin Robbins.

I'm sorry that they have real people working there. Putting in the effort. Actually, Baskin and Robin worked on this cake with Greg Tirkington. That's right. But then, yeah, I mean, that's the end of the movie. it does indeed end on a bad cake joke and then we just get this like the two stingers which one is literally

just a scene from Loki that second one and the other one is the meeting of like the most important of all the Kang variants I guess is the idea. I gotta say also yeah you know their stinger game is slipping it is oh big time when would you put a scene from a television show in there you have

slipped they also I forget which one it was maybe it I think it's actually Spider-Man it's the Spider-Man movie the last one No Way Home? Correct. Yeah, No Way Home is the trailer

for the Doctor Strange movie. Oh, yes. It's just a legit trailer from the dog. That is not a stinger, my friend. Also, because they kept making stingers bigger and bigger. It's like,

oh, now the Winter Soldier's alive and he's being treated or whatever. We used to be fucking Sam Jackson walking into a room. Or Thanos farting on a mountain or moon or something. Or introducing Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Oh, shit, that's what they look like.

That's a big fucking stinger. This is just like, here's a TV show that you're going to watch in five minutes. Here's a TV show that you have to watch in order to understand what's going to happen next. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's bad. It's so bad. They're just out of big characters. Like, as when.

Well, come on, Steve. That's another big character. The entire X-Men, the Fantastic Four. It's got you there, cabin. Like, just all of the, they have so many characters that they can pull from that they're just not. Blade would be lovely. But they're not. Those things haven't even been.

decided yet. All we know is that we're going to make that eventually. And we all know this thing so far that we know they don't make any move unless they've figured it all out in front. They've all done all the research and everything. Oh, I strongly disagree. Cut to that Stinger scene in Eternals where that dude's going to be a night or whatever. A fart that is. Well, because they thought the Blade movie was going to happen. And now we know it never will. But there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell of that guy, John Snow being in Blade. Oh, look, I don't know. I don't know what these people's brains look like.

It's full of holes. That's all I know. It looks like a bowl of oatmeal. Also, I mean, the X-Men, I feel like have been played out to death. By now, I know we're going to get at another iteration. But I was thinking about this the other day. How are they going to do, like the time has shifted? Yeah.

How can you have Magneto be a Holocaust survivor? Yeah. If you're going to get someone. You're already pushing it in the odds. Exactly. It's pushing it. Yeah. That mean, that's why they had to do the 70s shit.

Yes. Right. The first class. Yes, you're right. Yeah, you're right. So what is that future? Where is Eric Magneto coming from? Oh, he's coming from an alternate timeline

where World War II happened in the 1970s. Oh, dude, that sounds groovy. I mean, not groovy. The doors are going to be all over the soundtrack. Oh, the stress. Hitler's harsh in my buzz, man. They will do whatever is necessary to ensure they don't have to have a new thought.

They will figure out something. They have the stinger at the end of the Marvel. And if you haven't watched the Marvels, if you haven't watched it, and you care about this, flash forward in this episode about 30 seconds. One of the stingers at the end of the Marvels is Kelsey Grammer as Beast. He comes in. Oh, are you kidding? Yes, because it's like Monica Rambo, is that her name?

She gets sucked into a thing at the end of Marvel. To a multiverse gap, basically. Like a hole in the multiverse. She gets sucked into it. She wakes up and she's like, where am I? And it's like, there's fucking Kelsey Grammerer's beast. And I have to tell you, if you want to generate excitement for these things, I felt a little something. Give me them X-Men.

I felt it was lower. It was where the asshole is, where I felt it. But like, my dick's on my chin. But like, imagine that the worst fucking place you can end up, the Brett Rattner universe, like absolutely the worst possible fucking situation. But to be fair, though, they're very, and it's very specific. and you're going to see this in that Deadpool movie which I believe is coming out next year

or this year right sorry apologies yeah this year just a few months from where we are full on nostalgia it is it's beast from the 90s cartoon you know he looks exactly like Hugh Jackman in that too as Wolverine he is and he's in the yellow

suit now we're we're big into like because the Doctor Strange had that with Patrick Stewart he had the 90s yellow wheelchair so this will be the 24th year we've had Hugh Jackman as Wolverine That's right. Wonderful. And on that note, final thoughts on Ant Man and the Wasp, Colin Quantum Mania, Chris Cabin.

Oh, it's just awful. I mean, yeah, just don't. Unless you are really dedicated to these things, which I hope you are not, avoid it. It's just there's nothing good here. I don't think there's much fun here. There's one or two lines. If you really like Michael Douglas, he's in it more than you would think for a movie that has the name, the wasp in it. but hey you know what i you know it yeah it's same old with me i just i don't get what people get from these movies anymore eric ciska oh my god this you know it reminded me a bit of thor the dark world it's like we're exploring this these other like other things and characters i have no concept of care about i can't even grasp it um i i just it didn't do it for me yeah but it's

okay to like it i mean if this is your bread and butter this is your bread and butter but i will pass that across the table. I do not want it. Save Steve for last year, as it is a comic book movie, and since what is doctor it's in. But I will just say again, fan of the first two Ant Man movies, fan of Paul Rudd, fan of Michelle

Pfeiffer, fan of Michael Douglas, fan of a lot of people in this movie. I wanted to like this. And I was, like, I've seen a bad Marvel movie or two, of course, but I was genuinely surprised at how bad this was put together, not just from how the movie plays out, but

how the film was constructed. Bad, bad, unfinished almost. I felt like part of the movie you're still just watching a rough cut. No, Bueno, Steve Sadek. Yeah, no, I agree with you entirely. I'm a fan of this stuff.

Again, I like the last Guardians movie because it's the last bastion of this universe where they're just like, hey, James Gunn, that's your idea, we're only going to meddle with it 60%. You know what I mean? Like, as opposed... Which is still a lot, but at least like you can smell James Gunn in that movie.

what I mean? It feels like a movie that he wanted to make. And now we've lost that so much with all of these movies. It doesn't feel like a, uh, because of Iron Man feels like a John Favreau movie. You know what I mean? Uh, Ant Man feels like a Peyton Reed movie, um, you know, and so on. Iron Man 3 sound is

a shade black movie if you ever fucking saw up and down, yeah. And we have not seen that in a really long time. And I think that like, you know, now they're in this weird place where we're feuding with directors. We're like the paper trail goes to Nia da Costa for some reason, like wherever like, All that shit, you know what I mean?

Like, it's all dirty pool now about these producers versus the actual creative team, which is really unfortunate. Like when they got Sam Ramey and everyone was like, holy shit. Yeah. And then they chained him up. Do they let them do like one or two things? Yes, yeah. Two scenes.

Some like hot dog wearing a suit was like I know better than Sam Ramey about a comic book movie. The guy that arguably invented this new kickoff craze of superhero movies. Absolutely. Insane stuff. Yeah. So it's not really worth it. And I think that I can go on and on, but it's just, I, I have hope that they can write the ship because I like a lot of Marvel characters. And I like, I like a lot of these, a lot of these actors that they've been casting, I like them.

And I'm like, that's a cool idea. Let me see that movie. Oh, I didn't see that movie. Okay. Why would you? That is going to do it for this episode on the third Ant Man movie. Of course, if you want more, we hate movies, check out Patreon.com. Last We Eight Movies, where if you are a subscriber at the $8 level or up,

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We do. Of course, Melrode 210 and the Nexus will be rocking and rolling as usual this month as well. But as far as this month's we hate movies offerings and some of the worst stuff we put in front of our eyeballs last year,

some of the bigger letdowns, if you will, which does not include the flash, by the way, because that is happening on a digital live experience, February the 1st, moment.co slash we hate movies. Get them tics. It's going to be a fun time talking about one of the absolute worst, maybe of ever. So that's where you're going to catch that. But next Tuesday, another all new we hate movies episode. Steve, what are we chatting about?

You said something about some of these being disappointments. This wasn't a disappointment because nobody knows what it is. It's the family plan with Mark Wahlberg. The family plan in which they rip off a Peyton Reed scene from Bring It On. yeah like just straight out rip it off uh yeah this one yeah you know it's hard to disappoint people when they don't know it's coming oh put it that way thanks a lot apple tv plus so until next week we're mark walberg's back bro i've been andrews stephen eric sister christ cabin take it easy

Thank you.