We Hate Movies - S14 Ep749: Despicable Me 2 (with Bob Mackey & Henry Gilbert of Talking Simpsons)

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

“I feel bad for these Minions, man, they’re forced to help out with all these party shenanigans” - Andrew  On this week’s episode, the guys welcome back dear buds, Bob Mackey & Henry Gilbert (Talking Simpsons) to join the Summer Blockbuster Extravaganza and chat about the dreadful animated sequel, Despicable Me 2! Does Pixar have a suit over the design of that youngest daughter character? Does Gru have papers for these kids? How much of the script is Gru being humiliated in public? Why is this film so obsessed with Gru getting married? How funny are all the Weekend at Bernie’s-esque gags throughout this movie? And when will these Minions finally complete their takeover of this planet? PLUS: Would you eat Minion-themed food?  Despicable Me 2 stars the voices of Steve Carrell, Kristen Wiig, Benjamin Bratt, Miranda Cosgrove, Russell Brand, Ken Jeong, Elsie Fisher, Dana Gaier, Moises Arias, Nasim Pedrad, Kristen Schaal, and Steve Coogan as Silas Ramsbottom; directed by Pierre Coffin and Chris Renaud. This episode is brought to you in part by Rocket Money! Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. That’s RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. Be sure to pick up your tickets for our summer time WORLD WIDE DIGITAL EVENT where we’ll be talking all about the action classic SPEED! Head over to Moment dot co slash We Hate Movies and get your tickets now— and don’t forget to bundle in your ticket for the Q&A After Party that’s going down right after the show that night! Can’t make it to the live show? No problem! The show will be available for replay for a full TWO WEEKS after air. So you’ve got 14 days to check out the show after it happens! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies merch-related needs! Including new SHEENPRIL, Night Vision & Too Old For This Shit designs!   Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

This week on the program, it's a film so bad. Even Al Pacino decided to quit. It's despicable me too. I'm Andrew Jopin. Eric Siska. Henry Gilbert. Bob Mackey. And we hate movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, that's right. Our amazing guest run here on the summer Blackbuster Extravaganza continues this week. As we welcome back to the show, our good friends, Bob Mackey and Henry Gilbert from Talking Simpsons and their family of shows. Welcome back to the program, fellas. Hello. Hey, thanks for having us back. Yes, we are

psyched for you guys to be here. I want to say thank you with a question mark. Because you know, you're always talking Simpsons. It's time to talk in Minions. How about that, pal? Other popular yellow creatures. Yeah, I mean, I think this is punishment for all the times we've had you guys on

to talk about Bad Simpsons episode, so we deserve this. And I want to let the audience know, I'm currently riddled with COVID, and I tested positive eight hours after watching this film. I subscribe to the Minion League theory. Yes, dude. In that lab was both COVID and Minions and then they got up just no good, started farting around

in that lab and those minions accidentally opened the door. Well, in case this is my last podcast, this is how I want to be remembered. Talking Minions. For my Minions opinions. Oh, Minions Opinions! Oh, it's right there! That's your new show. Minions Opinions' opinions. When we get to season 20 and we can't talk about the Simpsons anymore, we are starting Minions Opinions. By that time, there will be at least 12 of these films. Oh, absolutely. dude you'll have and i you know i'm surprised it hasn't happened yet but just wait for it especially like if this new one comes out and it's not like busting the box office above inside out too

you'll start looking at like peacock original minions tv show kind of stuff um and i'm sure there's another minions movie on the way that annoyingly successful side series to these movies i think i made this a memory whole thing i never want to remember but every time we researched stuff with Illumination, I learned this, they're like one of the most, even more than Pixar, the most consistently successful animation studios on earth.

Everything like makes close to a billion, if not over a billion, they just, I would bet despicable before will be their next billion dollar movie they make. It's nuts. I'm sure it will be. I mean, this is clearly a really brilliant, just

add water formula, just add minions to whatever you're doing. equals box office gold and not somehow box office poison like I would have guessed. But that's that's just me. But yes, this is Despicable Me Too from 2013 directed again by Pierre Coffin and Chris Renaud. I love that dude's name, Pierre Coffin, fantastic. That's where I want to be right now. You know, we covered that first Despicable Me movie a while ago, Eric.

I don't really remember a bunch of it. sort of like re-familiarize myself with this world including like so he like stole these three kids or they were left at his doorstep or something and now he's just raising them which is very weird yeah i feel like each of these successive films is putting in details that should have been there in the first place because when i was watching the first movie i watched the first one for this by the way nice and i noticed that it's it's a story about supervillains but there are no superheroes there there's no one fighting the supervillains and there's no even like police presence in the first movie. And then the second movie is just like laying that. And oh, these people

have always been there. So I think they, with each movie, they're trying to justify the choices they made originally. But I noticed that with this one, they throw away the premise completely because the premise for the first film is, you know, what if a supervillain was a dad? It's a fine enough premise. And then they just forget about the supervillain stuff from this point onwards. And I don't know who grew is or what he's supposed to be or what he does for a living. But he's just a guy with a silly accent. And that's all he is. It's kind of interesting. actually, because I was realizing watching this one through, which I'd never seen

before, and believe me, folks at home, this is a one and done, that this movie follows the rules of the Tim Allen's Santa Claus sequels, because you got that first movie, and it's like Tim Allen begrudgingly takes on a new

job, and that's kind of what that first one is, like Groob kind of begrudgingly becomes a father, whatever. The second Santa Claus movie is, okay, now that you've established, like, what your job is, we got to find you a wife. And that's exactly what this movie does.

It's like, okay, now you're this dad, whatever. We're going to introduce this anti-villain league, whatever this thing is. But the core of it is that these three little girls want a mother, and boy, oh, boy, grew better get out there dating. He better find the love of his life. This is a good connection. I see what you're saying with the Santa Claus series.

There are some similarities there. But now what if a, so if a dad dies on your roof, you get his kids. That's like, right? Because if Santa dies on your roof, you become Santa Claus. A roofer dies on my roof, I get his children. I think this movie's like this world is actually, if someone dies on your dad's roof, they become a minion. That's what happens.

Like Tim Allen became the Santa Claus, but like you become a minion and that's how it grew as amassed this army of yellow butt-cheeked little guys here. So I think there's something to this We'll have to see, I don't know the plot of The third Dispicable Me movie But maybe it's about him also fighting Jack Frost Which I think is that third Santa Claus movie I would rather be in hell than a minion I've only watched the trailer for Dispicable Me 3

But I don't think you're far off I think there is a Jack Frost-like character Who's the villain of it The most interesting in three is they get Trey Parker of South Park is as a big role in the movie which I was shocked to learn that's kind of surprising and that

kind of speaks to the money that these productions have because like I feel like it's a couple of dump trucks worth of cash to get that guy to voice act outside of his world of things I could be wrong about that but

I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Did what's his name? Russell Brand go crazy by then so that maybe that was like just moved that budget over oh that could be yes because russell brand returning as this dr nefario character i forgot about this and just like right in those opening credits it's like boom russell brand and you're like oh yeah this movie's 11 years old isn't it oh it brought me back to the early two thousand sorry early 2010s when we as a nation said no to russell brand yes this this must have been if this is voice

work this had to have been after that failed arthur remake where he drives the Batmobile. He's also a sober Arthur, as I recall, which I thought was bullshit. Like, Arthur's drunk. That's the point. Yeah. Yep.

That's why it was funny. That's why both of those movies only kind of worked is because he was drunk. I mean, the second one's called On the Rocks, for Christ's sake. Oh, my God. You know what? I looked it up. I was like, you know what?

Let's double check. Let's be thorough. Russell Brands and Minions' Rise of Gru, he's still here. During all the troubles. He can't be in four. I need to, I should look at fours out like in two days when we're recording this. That's right.

Yes, two days from now in July 3rd, the box office will be rocked by a fourth minions movie. Also, like, I get you want to hit that full five-day weekend thing. So you open on the Wednesday, like as is tradition for holiday weekend openings. But man, Despicable Me Four on July 4, it was like, there kind of seems like it would have been a night not that people aren't going to remember to go see the movie but uh eric did you check it out like is he in that fourth one or no the cast list for that one is incomplete as of now i wouldn't be surprised if he's in there and they're hiding him yeah totally also though like i don't know you don't need that character no you know he's such a he's such a nothing character

and when i was watching the first movie in this i kept thinking who is he is he just some old man that lives in the house? Is he below grew? Is he above grew? He has no personality. His motivations change on a dime. It's just, he's this just very convenient character with nothing to do. Is he below grew? Is he above grew? Does he top grew?

Does he bottom grew? I think this is, he's supposed to be like his really old, useless like Q character, like a Bond like gadget guy. I feel that that's what he's doing in both of these movies to some, yeah, I regard

another is here's this thing that I invented and blah blah blah the thing that bothers me with this the despicable me ones is and I don't even like I've seen worse I've seen worse they're not much worse but I've seen worse in the animation world for kids but what bugs me the most is that I think it is they're extremely French in that like they love the stuff they love of America like feels so late it's like they got like the office like six six to ten years after we didn't they're like oh that guy's funny let's put him in and he just everybody just gets hired to do their schick like 10 years after you saw him do it and things yes no i i totally agree with that and like i don't i don't have anything against correll but i just don't think that this

character you know this vocal performance is that good and i think it like again goes to show we talk about this a lot like when you're bringing celebrities in to do voice acting, there's difference between like voice actors and like camera actors and it doesn't always mean that you can do both and like again, not knocking Corel and I've heard worse but like this is kind of

I said this I think on the first despicable me episode it's just him kind of doing a pseudo Eastern European Borac kind of thing but that's it. At the same time at least he's not just using his regular voice which seems to be a lot of celebrities that do voices

that's true up just doing their own I think it's sexist that Kristen Wig doesn't get to do a silly sound or silly accent. Every all the other guys, like you wouldn't, why even hire Steve Kugin to just be like a Tootel Pipp guy? And then meanwhile Kristen Wigg is just like, yeah,

I'm Christian Wig doing, you know, 50% of my bride debate's character pretty much. Speaking of early 2010s, Ken Jong is here. Oh, he sure is. Oh, he sure is. Yes, as the wig store owner. I have to say, it's kind of interesting. We just did an episode.

on Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. Not a lot of mall in that movie, oddly. But I was surprised to find so much mall in this movie. So I guess, Eric, it's still the summer of malls. It's crazy. In one way or another. You know, how do you, I know, this franchise is such a hit. You put your little kids down to watch it, blah, blah, bah.

You know, this is a tradition in your house. How do they relate to this movie? How do they know what's happening? Are they asking you what a mall is? I think that's why all you really see of. this mall is like what appears to be a giant food court i know the wig store is not part of that but it feels like it's all in one area as if like we didn't want to show like the possibilities of setting something in a mall because like maybe even the writers forgot about that like what

malls could do and what they had in them because this really is like one confined little food court area it feels like anyway um we should start though i want to say because henry you said off the you think it's a little bit of an interquil here. You guys recently checked out the Despicable Me ride and is that right? It's in between one and two like a Saw X situation? Yes. It takes place

on the first anniversary of Gru adopting the girls and I guess it lets all of us know that Gru is not an abusive father. He does remember their birthday and you are turned into a minion to help celebrate the girls anniversary. So what is

the, what kind of a ride is it? Is it a hydraulic sitting in a thing? Like, how are you going through it? It's basically like one of the many rides at Universal where you're watching a movie and your seat is moving and occasionally you're spritzed with water or a smell. Yeah, you get a banana smell in your face. They say you're going to get the fart gun,

but instead it's the banana gun. And yeah, it's while he's still a disgustingly single man, which fortunately this is fixed by this. Because a family must be a father and mother. Absolutely. Single parent family is an abomination. That's why it's despicable. That's why that's the title.

That's true. Oh, despicable me. I happen to get married or else I'm despicable me. Yeah, they re-skinned if you've ever been to any, if you went to Universal in the 90s when we were children, you may have ridden the, uh, in either coast.

The Hannah-Barbera ride. And so this is just, they changed the Hanabar Barbarra ride to the Minions ride back in 2012. And, and it's still, very popular ride and when we finished the ride afterwards who was waiting for us at the dance party afterwards it was mascot crew he was in

and grew is horrifying to see in mascot form in person with his frozen rictus grin oh no oh that's awful I mean I'm terrified of any mascot character they just do something to my lizard brain but both grew and crusty made me experience fear that I never experienced

in my adult life Nightmare people looking at those guys. Well, I mean, Krusty is the added, I don't know if you got a thing with clowns, Bob. I know I have a thing with clowns so that maybe didn't help the real life Krusty mascot situation for you. I think it helped me

learned I have a thing with clowns. Well, better than never finding out, I guess. I was sad on that trip, though, we didn't. I would have stopped to get a picture with Shrek because I, meanwhile, I know they're dumb, but I actually love having a stupid picture with the mascot.

It was a real divide between me and Bob on this, on this fun universal trip we just had. I just think they're going to eat me. Well, the Simpsons, Homer especially, was too handy with me. I will say, he loved me too much. What happened? Run us through this.

Well, I posed with Homer, and I was wearing a Simpson's shirt, of course. Right. And for them to, they can't talk, so they have to indicate, you wear a shirt of me. I like that. So some point and some look, and some like Homer, touch your chest and pat you on the chest and hold your shoulder to say, yes, that's a, that's a Simpsons t-shirt.

At least he wasn't gunning for a gummy de Milo, dude, so you got that going. You don't know what that guy's doing under there, you know, for all I know, one of his hands is in the suit doing something. And make sure one of the arms is not limp before you approach him. Thank you, Bob. And yeah, there was some minion food around there too, but we did not partake in it. We were having too much Simpsons food. What was minion food?

Banana, banana flavored things. Yeah, they had a banana Nutella pudding. And is that supposed to represent? That's supposed to be you're eating minion. It does have a minion eyeball on the top of it that's like a little cookie thing that's on top of icing. I've seen the pics.

Oh, my God. You know, this movie though, we're not at peak minion, and we're not at a banana being the catchphrase we can there's some bananas in the background in this in the first movie but that does not become i guess it doesn't become a thing until the third movie or the minions oh i did look at a little timeline of this that because i also was like okay well we're the trailers for this the trailers were all the minion scenes or just full on original a minion animation like they don't care about they we're not marketing this with the plot of like will grue fall in love none of that but and then i saw that a year before that

this came out in 2012, they greenlit the minions movie. So they already knew we got the minions movie. The minions are the star. It's why they're the star of the ride as well. It's it's all minions all the time. They're taking up all the space in this movie for any other plotting. Anytime I thought, oh, well, they didn't explain that plot point. Well, I was like, well, because they needed the minions to like sing a song or something. Absolutely, Henry. And that I think is kind of like the greatest criticism to weigh against this movie. if you cut out all of the minion horsing around in this movie you've got like maybe i don't know 35 40 minutes of a movie and the rest of it is just grab ass in one way or another with these

minions like sometimes it is story related grab ass but most of the time it just feels like these minion cut scenes that you're just like inserting to get to this like 98 minute you know feature length runtime well you need time for the songs Andrew you need to have the songs and have them bop their ass some more you know and there was that's true that's summertime song um they they took out the mongo jerry one yes they took out the drink and drive lyric what the hell have a drink have a drive i know for a fact that those minions do love boozing and cruising so i don't know why they'd bother to edit the song you're totally right yeah this movie starts it does have an interesting little cold open that you know i'd find in like an

incredible's movie maybe it's like this arctic base and uh all these sort of dudes sitting around the thing has yet to arrive at this base i guess and uh this big magnet shaped ship comes and steals the entire base i love this like the commitment of these guys these arctic research guys the commitment to this bit, this mission, whatever they're doing, this thing's being pulled into the air and these guys are refusing to let go. Like, it's just magnet technology.

And these guys are refusing to let go. I kept thinking of, Homer, there's no easy way for me to say this, but are you just holding on to the can't? You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, let go. What are you doing? And then they all like fall. Some of them presumably to their death from high in the sky

after this. Definitely. Very weird kind of cold open, but also very like, Bond this I was like okay for this like fleeting 15 seconds in this movie I was like all right this might be an improvement on the first one and then uh oh cut immediately to a porta potty joke and like this dude's been taking a shit the whole time and I was like oh there we go there's the despicable me I know yeah a lot of this movie you think of it as minions and minion gags but a lot of it is bad

Incredibles just a worse version of the Incredibles there's a lot of spy stuff and also within that cold open which is fine there's a Wilhelm scream about three minutes in and I was ready to hit back on my remote and just leave Netflix entirely I think there's maybe two Wilhelm screams in this movie only redeeming parts of the movie in my opinion I love that fella screaming out

well the film has to do every joke two to three times like they they have it makes it easy for them to not have to write too many jokes but I think you know it hit me too watching this movie the yeah all of the the spy parody stuff starting from the scene i was like oh this is like i'm sure these people grew up on get smart as well as like bond and that's when i remember like oh right in the odds there was a shitty get smart movie that starred uh that starred steve corral so it's

they're even just warming over get smart parodies with steve corral oh my god this is no totally we were talking about get smart a little bit recently how they had they did that direct to dvd movie the nerds are out of control or whatever, Harry and Lloyd or whatever their names were. That's what the minions movies are to this. It's a spin-off thing. Except, dude, that in that reality, though, to make it a one-to-one,

that two scientists getting up to no-good movie, whatever the fuck it was, is released in theaters also, and also makes hundreds of millions of dollars. It surpasses the original, which, you know, they don't know. If they released in the theater, it might have. We might be still talking about

get smart colon out of control to this day. That that's smart that get smart movie. Also I believe one of the rare instances of Dwayne Johnson playing a villain. I think he's like a secret villain in that movie. I didn't hate it, but I'm also

not like any kind of like get smart loyalist or whatever like I'd seen it before. There's just like there's worse animated movies than this, but not many. There's worse live action, Steve. Carell movies than that, but also not many. But so we cut to three weeks later, and here's our first fake-out gag, right?

It's like, Gru, cocking this gun, and you're like, uh-oh, I thought he left this behind. And then, oh, wouldn't you know what he's blowing up a balloon for the girl's birthday party? Inflating via the anus of the... Yes. This horse or unicorn balloon or whatever it is. Yes, the air pump is stuck up its ass. I forgot to note that. My issue

with this movie in the previous one is I think they're afraid to make him too unlikable. Even when he is a straight up super villain for half of the first movie, I want him to go a lot further. Even in the first movie, he freezes everybody in line at the Starbucks so he can get to the front of the line faster, but he

still pays for his food and tips. Yeah, you know what? Just ice that whole staff. Like once you get that drink, you know what the joke is? He has like a complaint. Maybe it's I want that latte iced and then he like, Ices all the staff too and then like takes the tip

out of the jar. Because he's a villain and that's what it should be. This is the punch up they should have had in the room for that. Yeah, they spent a lot of money on punching up these movies too. Yeah, you're right, Bob. He's not evil enough even in the air. Also, the way he gets

hired back in this movie, it's like he's a Nazi scientist who's an operation paper clip. you need them you need them but what do we want someone else to get this minion technology we just saw grew's house in person at Universal as well that's the entrance to the ride

oh wow really it kind of looks like the Bates house a little bit still to me in this movie the exterior of it anyway I feel bad for these minions man like they're just also forced to like help out with party shenanigans they're like part of the entertainment

it's also oddly even though now he's like Good guy. I'm a good dad grew. The party is like sort of like extremely themed for a little kid's birthday party. We've got a lot of medieval weapons. There's a swimming pool for little kids with piramas in it is the, and I think like the little daughter is supposed to be into it. And that's like her fun quirk or whatever, that's having a villain party.

The minions are dressed up as knights and they just beat the shit out of each other, nonstop, which I imagine would be pretty fun for a birthday party. I don't know if you guys feel the same way but I feel like these girls are all such dead weight they had a fun idea for a movie but you know the board executive board said we need the Pixar touch we need the sentimentality we need the emotional manipulation so

the movies are saddled with these dead eyed Pixar central casting characters that aren't funny and aren't really different enough to care about I only remember the name of the one who's basically a ripoff of boo from Monsters Inc. Yes, Agnes? Yes, Agnes, the littlest one, who, yeah, Bob, that's crazy. I was thinking about that this time around.

Like, that character design is just the little girl from Monsters Inc. It's really weird. And, like, it's not that it's impossible to get good versions of these kind of characters when you need them for a family animated film because, like, I don't know. I think the kids in the incredible movies are perfectly fine. The little boy, the little girl. And then you also got little baby Jack there, too. So it's another, it's a three kids situation.

And those kids, they feel like they're part of the story. You might not love them as characters, but they feel more folded into the story than these three dead-eyed monsters. They have a more distinct personality. The thing is with these girls, just make it one. Just make one. Right, yeah, right. No, and it should just be Agnes.

That's what I've been feeling for. The Agnes is the only one they write stuff for really in the movie. Like emotional things, like Agnes gets all the, oh, moments in the first movie. And then in this movie, they're like, well, what birth? party were started at obviously agnes is she's the only one who'd like be an interesting birthday party to have with all her princess bullshit like right right margo they found a thing to do with her slightly in this movie at least like what if a girl starts dating you know which they have i think sexist

plans for that too but but meanwhile like edith is nothing like she's right a like she's not even like violently interesting like she's a yeah she's a in a ninja character a costume for most of the movie and I think she's given the least amount of lines because I think this is the one that's voiced by someone who wasn't traditionally an actor like the older daughter is Miranda

Cosgrove and the younger daughter, the youngest daughter is voiced by Elsie Fisher from eighth grade among other things which I don't know if she still is in part four because I think this is a thing are they doing a thing in these sequels where these kids aren't aging like even though we're literally

having a birthday party but like And Despicable Me 4, it's not like Andy's going off to high school kind of toy story. I watched a little trailer and yeah, Agnes still for four and Agnes is still basically the same size. I mean, maybe there's a story of like Agnes goes to kindergarten, but he, not to spoil things, but in the fourth movie, they have a baby, Lucy and grew. That's right. So Agnes has to be at least three years older, but they want, they're like, we're not uncutening this Agnes any time soon. Right, yeah. Yeah, Illumination was like

Boss Baby, A, loving hands together. Dude, if someone turns on Despickel-in-Me-4, you got to let me know if that baby goes, suck it at any point. Because that's the only thing I remember from that boss baby movie is Alec Baldwin, as a baby, just going, suck it. Which is fucking brutal.

I cannot believe they're given his character of group yet another child, right? like the minions he created them right presumably with his own biological material in some regard and he's got like 7,000 children especially he's got these three adopted ones and now he's making more in the traditional sense yeah i well i think the film at this point isn't sure what minions are i bet they were invented with the idea of like they're like his like cloned things and that's what makes them like slaves basically but uh But the minion movie that comes out after this,

I believe sets them up as like an ancient race of people who like helping villains. Yep. It's basically, it's like minions through the centuries. I think they're straight up like rolling with Napoleon at one point. Like I think there's also Middle Ages shit going on. Maybe I'll tell you what, that first minions movie? I don't think.

Yeah, I was going to say, 1938 to 1945, no minion present. Yeah, no. I think actually, how God, I feel like there is something acknowledged about that. Maybe in the movie, I will say this, that Minions movie, it's not like Minions 2 Rise of Gru

where it's tied into this world. It's just this weird standalone movie where it's like, it is just, if I'm remembering it right, it felt like watching just vignettes of like minions through time. And honestly,

better than this. It's still the best of these that I've seen. is that first minions movie. I forgot you saw that. And now I've seen 50% of it. Now, why did you see why did you see that? What happened that day? Oh, cannabis consumption, you know. Look at this. Minions are universally beloved. Your old

grandma on Facebook who's racist and your children and stoners. No, I mean, they're huge internationally too. We, I've, me and Bob both have visited Japan in the last year. And they are huge there. Like, they are a giant. they're super popular you can't get away from these minions i will tell you what one of the biggest laughs i've had recently and i got to have it precisely six times because there was only six episodes of it but that john milaney everybody's in l.a which i think is fantastic the opening credit

sequence it's just it shows you like things around los angeles and whatever just like kind of b-roll of the town but there's one shot of like someone filming out of an office window where you can see a minion, like a minion billboard and the minion is like peering over it, I laughed at that fucking thing every single time that show started. And I felt awful for it, but it was very funny.

Yeah, it's like in the musical pause on the To Live and Die in LA theme song. It goes like, do and then just pauses on the minions face. I love that. Yeah. Oh God, it's so fucking good. Shums up Los Angeles. That's the landscape right there. Yeah, we were right by that billboard.

We passed by the illumination studio section of it yeah oh sick oh is that what it's attached to oh okay that makes perfect sense on on the same tour you'll see the illumination sign and you'll also see ted the our everybody's favorite teddy bear uh happy 60th anniversary of universal studios tours oh geez that actually that guy got a tv show so i'm telling you this despicable me tv show it's right around the corner i feel successive of these movies or not so another thing that plays into this movie multiple times, including right here, the first one of these, is Gru being humiliated in public. And that's a joke that we use a lot. He is really freaking out because someone who he hired to play like a fairy

princess for the birthday party can't make it. So what is the solution? Oh, of course, grew dressed up in this princess costume complete with like tight outfit and blonde wig. And it's just to serve for like all these little kids to kind of laugh at him real quickly. And And I guess the kids in the audience laugh at him as well. And for a little girl to say, why are you so fat? Yeah. I do like he, that little girl chokes on glitter. That was funny animation.

That's a good joke. Yeah. But that's a good point, Eric, by the way. That is another thing in this movie. We are just laughing at fat people left and right. Fat people are the butt of everything. Bald fat people look out. Those fuckers specifically are targeted.

You're not welcome here. they're teaching children. This is like you're instilling this hatred in children through these minions. You're also instilling the notion of the oddly horny neighbor in this movie played by Nassim Padraud, who is

seen like in the background of the birthday party at first, like really hitting on some dude like very sexily while like in the foreground you're listening to Steve Correll complain on the phone about the fairy godmother not showing up. But this woman in the background's like running her finger down this dude's chest or whatever and we meet her and she like here we go it's this whole thing like oh grew you need a mate you need a lady when are you going to get married i'm going to set you up with my friends and that is the point of this character existing is for her every time she sees grew to try to like set him up on a date and the first gag right away oh here's my friend natalie and uh oh it's an ugly lady and grew almost throws up she's not conventionally it

attractive. I'm going to lose it. Nope. Nope. Look what we're teaching our kids. Why doesn't Lucy look like her? Wouldn't that? Why? What would be wrong with that? Like she could no Lucy Lucy has to look slightly like

quirky, but she still has to be thin conventionally attractive have have a good haircut like or a nice like it's if the film wanted to try anything new Lucy would look like the character that you're just supposed to be like she's hideous get away from her crew

and this is where Shrek kind of does it a little bit better because he eventually mates with a giant beast just like him that's right turns up Fiona's an ogre I'll say classier classier reference it's like the film Marty where Ernest Borgnine finds a similarly homely woman to be with

I think it's Ernest Borgnine he won an Oscar for that right that's right I think so he he you know I mean he was out he was alive when some of these movies are out but I feel like Ernest Borgnine would have slayed in the role of Brue

just like, get back here, minions. Or at least Dr. Neferio. Yeah, yeah. It's ages he was in Neferio and still they hire like sexy man in his 30s, Russell Brands, for him another job. Damn it. And they're still hiring this guy. Still.

So, you know, whatever. During this party, we also see that Gruz being spide on or whatever um this is where we meet christen wigg as lucy wild is the character and she gets him with uh get ready for this to be used a couple times her lipstick taser gun because it's a you know oh grew why don't you come with me no i don't want to so he's going to get tased i do enjoy the way that they animate her kind of like tossing around his unconscious body is very funny. It has like a little bit of a weekend of Bernie's vibe to it.

Also like, I was also sort of reminded of like the, what it looks like when in like the Muppet show or some of the Muppet movies, when you just like throw a Muppet across the room. Yes. It's just that kind of like lifelessness that they, you know, gave his unconscious body. I will say this. As much

as I like, I do not like these movies and I'm completely fine ragging on them. I do think for better or worse, the animation looks nice. You know, some of it might look like some other kind of character designs and things like that that we've maybe seen before but I don't know it's nice to look at it seems pretty clever at times you know things like the glitter joke like that that only kind of works that well because the animation looks that good

if that makes sense yeah it's it's a much better looking movie than the first one and if you ignore the story and the music and the dialogue and the sound effects it is it's very good computer animation right I love the design of grew which is why I feel like I wish he was more of a character because otherwise he would be a lot more fun to watch but I love the very penguin he's like penguin blowfilled yeah that's a good call Bob

that is a good mashup of two villains I think Illumination Strong suit is like physical comedy in the in the tradition of French clowning but yeah when characters don't have to talk I mean

it's where they're at their best or or if they just talk gibberish of a hodge of many different languages like the minions do. When it comes to like jokes in English being said by characters, it pretty much is like that is this a thing? Or it seems like they really just counted on it's it's smart hiring to get like Steve Correll and Kristen Wake because you can just tell them, hey, you know, improv, have some fun. And they'll do, they'll do a couple of takes of what they're okay with, which like, but you're not getting their.

best work, but you're at least getting like, oh, I'm Kristen Wagg. I can do like, ooh, ooh, ooh, noises, and you can make some dancing to that, and there, I'm done through the day. Yeah, exactly. Interesting thing I had the thought of here, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, fellas, but the film that came out last year,

animated film Migration, also Illumination, yeah. I wonder if the seed for that movie was planted in this one, because in this scene, Kristen Whig steals grew puts them in the trunk of her car and speeds off and a couple of

minions are chasing behind and the one minion winds up through these stretchiest denim overalls I've ever seen sort of flying into the air sort of doing like a parasailing kind of thing and starts running into all these ducks and the design of

this family of ducks looks exactly like the family of ducks from migration like beat for beat all of the ducks in that movie in that like core family in that movie like fly into him right here and you see ducks later in the movie there's a montage of like wouldn't you believe it the song happy returns when brew is happy and in that montage he like stops traffic to help like a family of ducks again cross the street and I was like there's those migration ducks again in this movie they got to do a whole

crossover I made note of both of the duck appearances Andrew it's a possible migration preview oh yeah or it's like what you know we spend all this money like building this world. We got the minion movies. Obviously, what else could we pull out of here? Oh, you know, those ducks from part two were pretty sharp. They got to do a crossover. The minions riding the ducks. Kids will love that. That's a new toy right there. Right there. That's what. Who's to say the minions don't appear in migration? We don't know. They might. I well, migration was a miserable $300 million flop. Oh, God. Put that on Peacock immediately. Seriously. Seriously. So, you know, whatever. The, the

car turns into an underwater car and we go to an underwater submarine base again very bond uh right here it's just i i really do feel like yeah it's even when it's like inoffensive like this is okay like parody or like little cartooning it does just bug me because you've seen like there have been spy parodies almost as long as like james bond has had movies like there's been it's just so heavily done that how can it's easy to just take a joke like not even directly steal but just be like you've seen it enough times that you will just take something like that seems original and then you can point to like

a million things that have done it I saw Bob in your letterbox where you made the great point like Venture Brothers alone has done every joke in this movie eight million times at all better yeah yeah I mean this is not original idea it's it's the idea of let's look at the life of a supervillain and the mundanity

involved in it and the everyday operations and the bureaucracy this is a much worse version of that and they're not doing anything new with it. Even Austin Powers with Dr. Evil having a son. It's similar groundwork. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, Austin Powers was like

friggin 17 years old when this movie came out. That's pretty crazy to think. Wasn't, um, trying to, oh, no, I was looking at the wrong. The title is actually this and it's from 2010. So we already kind of have had this world

of like the villain leading the movie with that Megamind movie from 2010. Oh my God, I forgot all about that. Yeah, with Will Farrell, among other people. But like that at least had what we were saying, this world doesn't as far as I understand it with all of these movies. There was like that hero component of it.

Like Brad Pitt was the hero in that world, but like it was mastermind, like Will Ferrell's story to tell or whatever. I feel like these movies would benefit from adding that in like oh here's the new hero in town that yada yada guru's got to do something versus this like we're this anti-villain league because one you guys are right where were you guys in the first movie this seems like a pretty wild ass uh large in scope operation to not have

acknowledged it in the first movie like in some way or another why were these guys not tracking him in that first movie. I guess like, it's just because you hadn't thought of it yet, but now it just seems like a little too late to be introducing this into your movie. Yeah, and I hate to ding, despicable Me Too, for continuity issues, but in the first movie, they set up this

world in which super villainy is all funded through an evil bank. So, oh, right, yes. That went away completely. And El Macho, we don't learn about, is the bank funding his crimes? Is there competition between him and other super villains like there wasn't a person? They throw that out completely.

Wow. the evil bank and his mom just like dumped from the first movie that was the one i was like oh yeah mom's not a thing in this movie but you're right the evil bank too mom appears to do a little bit of dancing at the end yeah mom appearing at the wedding kind of just like uh that one wesley crusher scene in star trek nemesis where he literally just shows up to to riker and troy's wedding and if you watched it uncropped four by three you couldn't even see him because they placed will Wheaton at the very ass end of the frame. So it's only in 16 by 9

presentations. Could you even see his wordless cameo? But you know, they had to get rid of the mother. They had to go out of all this stuff to get Simon Ram's bottom in there because we got to make jokes about that name and that's all that's there for. You get minions elbowing each other

talking about anal sex in this. Well, see, that's the funny thing, right? The minions are only laughing at the bottom. bottom part of it. Ha ha, ooh, they said bottom.

They're like a like fanny kind of thing. Ram's bottom. It's a little. No, but like you can't, you can't, we know we were making that joke

at home, Eric, but the minions are just laughing at. Oh, they said but. And this guy, I mean, the,

the Coogan response is like that. It's kind of weird because the character's response is like, oh, I've heard, where have I heard that before kind of a deal?

And I'm sitting there like, yeah, where have we heard similar minions jokes like this before like to acknowledge you're sort of repeating a thing I just think it's kind of accidentally very funny we're also bored of this joke

thank you yeah exactly and nothing gets you more excited to continue watching a movie than to hear the script be tired of what they're presenting you yeah like with a lot of characters in this movie there's nothing to this guy and he disappears after the arrest of Ken Jong there's there's nothing more

to him and right it's like him and Lucy and grew they just are so nondescript I I think I've watched too many Pixar movies because at this time, this was like the predictable and this guy's secretly the villain type plotting. But I thought Ramsbott, I'm like, it's just too obvious that El Macho's the bad guy. I was thinking the whole time overthinking like, well, okay, then it's got to be Ramsbottom. He's, he is keeping him and Lucy apart. He arrests the wrong guy. But actually it is is the movie doesn't care. Like, it's like, no, this guy just

like sucks and you don't see him like after a certain point it's actually kind of crazy because like you know you're watching the movie and when we get to el macho here like it's voiced by benjamin bratt you know not a massive star but certainly a star um but i think the funny thing is it would have been way more obvious more obvious than it already is just the way that they telegraph the character if it were to have been al pacino who was supposed to be el macho apparently recorded all of the dialogue. It was like finished and then he was like upset about something and he quit. And then Benjamin Bratt, because everything was already animated,

he had to cater the way he was speaking to get it exactly to the animation, which is no easy feat. But the point I'm making is like, if you see Al Pacino in a movie like this and it's like maybe, maybe the character Al is voicing as the villain, then it 100% Al is voicing the villain in the movie. yeah this is around the same time as duncicino which he recently came out on the record to say this ruined my career for about a decade so smart choice here not maybe not so smart with jack and jill that's that's why he did true crime HBO movies for the next like eight years was to make up for that uh we we saw one of those in theaters eric which one was that um phil specter or uh or paterno oh no i was thinking i was thinking you were saying like HBO

level crime movies that were released theatrically. Pacino? Whatever the one, the one with Pacino and De Niro where they teamed up after heat. Righteous. We definitely saw it in the, there it is. Yeah, all of these movies where like Al Pacino's chasing serial killers like that, I think he's in that 88 Minutes movie. That's also him.

I just Googled righteous kill and it says people also ask, why is righteous kill so bad? Well, it, I, I, I, the slight research I did on the timing of Al Pacino for my guess of why he said yes in the first place is the twins he had with Beverly DiAngelo. They were 12

when the movie came out so I would think it was a gift to his kids but maybe my if I had a guess Al Pacino was told like oh if you but at the end of the recordings they're like he found out in the contract he said oh and we own this character

in perpetuity and you like we can reuse your voice and all this stuff and he pulled out from there that's my that's my best guess and yeah but no offense to Benjamin Brad but he's like not he's not one of the names you plaster on the trailer of a kids movie at the end to make you go wow and

he's in this like I like Benjamin Brad but yeah yeah um but yeah I don't think you you know it's not that same parental drawing power as seeing Al Pacino in the trailer and going oh well Pacino's in this all right I'll suffer through the 98 minutes taking the kids of the theater at least

I'll be there for Al Pacino. Yeah, he had recently played he had recently played Kavorkian around this time and I assume he was looking for one of those machines while he was doing this. How do I build one? How do I access one? That's a good way to do it. Get me the suicide machine and put it in the recording booth. Now those children are old enough to drink

that he made it feel far. Of course, he's a new dad again these days. More speculation. Maybe they ask for one hoo-ah and he just stormed out. Oh, that could be. Yes. Also, though, like, I don't know, man. What did that sound like? Al Pacino voicing this Mexican character? I don't know about that. I would guess they just told him, can you just do Scarface? Like, Scarface was funny. Sure. Yes. Oh, so, no, Henry, that's what it is. It was definitely a say hello to my little something. Oh, here's what it is. Say hello to my purple friend. And then all. And then the purple evil minions come out

where'd you get that scar buddy eating a minion jelly oh man the minion jelly oh man the minion jelly so whatever they speaking of jelly they discover the whole thing here is

ram's bottom is like look we discovered the Arctic base was totally the entire thing was stolen and inside it was px4-1 which is a transmutation serum that we've been tracking and look what it does and they inject this rabbit with it the rabbit turns into a big purple monster the rabbit looks speaking of spotting future illumination things that rabbit looks exactly like kevin hart's rabbit from uh the secret

life of pets as well oh yes you're right see this is what happens when studios have like these in-house design books that like they force on every property shit just starts looking the same i mean i've i've heard illumination like one of their major things is like pure profitability of trying to save as much money as possible on production not overspending like they think you know Pixar does and so yeah reusing character models like that is is one of those things too like they they are a very like financially savvy group on top of like i mean just whoever in the meeting said purple minion like that genius right there like um so yes it turns out that even in 2013 we still got real big successful malls like this one

where they have discovered evidence of the serum is at that mall for some reason and they have this is ridiculous they have it says it in the in the script we're told there's like eight or nine like shop keeps that are suspects we meet I think just two of them real lazy here we can't even get like a rogues gallery of their names or anything like I know you're not going to have him

you know yeah it would be fun right like you're not going to have Gru interrogate all eight or nine of them or whatever but like at least lay out what those are as give us a coo-clux clam in there or you know like side characters you're never going to mention again it'd be fun to lead to that I assume that there would be yeah

I assume that there would be sketches with all of these wacky wild characters and what are their shops called and what do they sell and everything but the mall is used a lot but then it's not used very much Right A 22 minute episode of Scooby-Doo

would give you more suspects than this does like this is a poor mystery Yep, yep No, you're totally right So grew at you know sort of just balks at this offer You know no thanks I'm a dad now

And as he's mentioned I think before like he's a jellymaker now or whatever so he takes the kids home and he's putting them to bed or whatever and this is where we start getting shit about like you know oh are you going to go on a date with that girl you know we'd like a new mommy or whatever and we get this flashback and I guess maybe this also inspired the rise of grew I don't know but you get little grew right here being humiliated once again on the playground like he's trying to get this girl's attention and he's sort of like just you know kind of pokes her arm or whatever while this girl is like flat out just ignoring him

and pretending she can't hear him a foot away and they get this just oh grude touched lisa she's got grouties oh you know that was just a childhood taunt for years for this poor bastard yeah this is where he gets to spickle me too and uh credit to that credit for that joke goes to my wife Somebody had to say it. I mean, you know, now in a kid's movie, he'd just go to therapy for this. But I think, but it's also like, well, how bad would it be if Gru didn't want to date anybody? Like, he could just be, he could be ace. He could be what that.

But, you know, they have to solve this. I also did the math on if they're talking about, if these kids are talking about the moon landing, which would be 1969, then Gru would be in his late 60s now. due to have been in elementary school. And still an in-cell, apparently. Well, so let's see. So he's in his late 60s here. So add on another 11 years.

He's in his late 70s in Despicable Me 4, where he's just had a baby. He is Pacinoing. His crew is Pacinoing. I can't believe it. Good for him, I guess, right? Better late than never, huh? there's i'm almost an octogenarian but i can still get it wet yes they they also have to give you a little

scene to let you know like you know lucy thinks this guy's cute of course you know like this is a baby's movie so i can't complain to us but like you know instantly grew and lucy are going to be together but it's one of those things like her job is to be his girlfriend like they don't i guess they give her a couple lines of like oh i thought your projects were kind of cool and i always liked your stuff like I guess okay sure I don't think they have a particular amount of chemistry together but no they don't no I mean it's I would be really curious to see if starting in part three she's still working for this anti-villain league or is she giving up her fairly successful career to just stay at home at his weird house with his three foundling children um also in that third

movie there has to be because I was surprised it doesn't happen here but now at the end of this movie they're married they're living together in this third movie there has to be a really bad grue yelling Lucy I'm home making a Desi Arnaz reference a little bit one could hope I mean I'll take it at this point

you don't learn anything about her we don't know why she likes him we don't know if she wants to be a mother we only one of the girls has any opinion on her the littlest girl so it's just super underdeveloped it's for babies like Henry said but there are other baby movies where you can buy into this more. Absolutely.

There are well-made baby movies. This is not one. We go to, you got to talk about this jelly testing area. So Gru still has the big basement lab from the first movie

under the house. But now, because he's not a villain anymore, yes, we are making jellies and jams. Dude, I got to tell you, the fucking health department would be all over the shit.

You got these minions in these tubs of fruit with the disgusting boots on, squashing this shit for the jelly oh man no thank you speaking of lucy right there there you go yeah oh that's right that's right of the great classic lucy scene these should be nude sterilized minions uh yes that's right shaved full bob you yeah oh yeah bob since you just watched it in the end of the the the first one does he say i'm going to make jams now like was that his plan i i don't remember that at all But going back to the scene

This movie has a lot of references That I feel should be outlawed And one of them is a Carmen Miranda reference We get an Isaac from the Love Boat reference Much later I get by 2013 These should have been made illegal By the MPAAA

Absolutely I mean I didn't even get the love boat reference Where does that happen When they're kidnapped And for no reason They're given a resort island Hangout on before they're kidnapped again

When we go to the island for the first time the bartender at the little cabana has an afro and is dressed like Isaac from the love boat I only know that because of Isaac from loveboat references yes so Bob you're saying right here on the air in front of the entire world you're not a loveboat fan I'm willing to admit that

well that's something for the Facebook grannies you know we were talking about the audience for this is like everyone now you go on Facebook you can see old ladies screaming about you know how they love Trump or whatever and they're also posting minion pictures. This is a huge archetype in the crampy world right now. Yeah, I mean, Trump loves YMCA.

He loves the village people. You can see him dancing to those songs. He dances like a minion. Just like you can watch the minions dancing at the end of the film. He dances exactly like a minion. That's why people are so endeared to him. There's a million. Juicy ass like those minions.

Sorry, Henry. No, no, there's, well, there's a million stupid Trump photos out there, so it's hard to remember them all. but didn't he do a photo shoot with Minions Mascot characters at a universal thing? Oh my God, you might be right. Let's see Minions Trump.

Let's see what comes up. Henry, I know what you're thinking of, Henry. There was trick-or-treating at the White House. There was a child in an inflatable Minion's costume. And he placed the candy bar on top of the costume's head and it just slid off. Okay, right, right. Yes, that's right.

Oh, you stupid. I'm looking at a picture of it right now. Wow. I also I think you can't see Trump with ABC's dinosaurs those that's sitcom from that sitcom yeah

I've seen that picture before I can't also tell you from like Googling that I see that of course Chiquita Banana did a tie in at one point with the minions and they were on the banana logos

I feel like I kind of remember seeing that in the grocery store now the second you said that I was having like grocery store flashbacks to 11 years ago go and like be i remember being at the time like that's fucked let me just kind of like walking away let me check my grocery list let's see uh did did i have a minion penis written down there's a few over here a bunch of minion penises do we need any of those honey i'm going to call

home and check honey yeah do we need minion penis the grocery story is when i feel old of like oh i guess this is popular of like when i'd see them on twinkies or whatever i'd be like i guess guess the minions are a big thing I'm okay that's honestly Twinkies are worse there's a cream filling yeah

one pack of minion dick yeah actually that's it's honestly the two ways that you can tell animation breakthroughs

into the larger adult oriented world is one food promotion so you're getting those things on like cereals, fruit snacks, bananas as the case may be. So that's like corporations paying attention to like, oh, those kid characters,

the parents are going to be forced to buy that shit, that thing. But then also the other thing, see, for this next example, see also Tweety Bird tattoos, uh, garbage people in garbage t-shirts with like those tattoos. So like you'll see just some garbage person yelling on TV or yelling on fucking. and TikTok about whatever. You zoom in on that chest. Oh, what's that? Oh, is that a Minion tattoo right above your tent? Yep, exactly.

Andrew, please. Successful breakthrough. Garbage Americans, and we salute them. Yeah. A Minion tattoo's natural place is above the cleavage line, like right above. That's exactly right. Tweety Bird minions, Sylvester, the cat is also involved.

Garfield, definitely. also qualifies under this the scriptor anyway don't forget Taz Oh Taz definitely Dude When you want to tell someone In a cute and fun way

That you are crazy in the sack Tasmanian devil tattoo Right above your ass Absolutely Oh my God That's right where it goes I'm glad you thought about Taz I would have felt bad with the Taz erasure from this

Taz might have been one of the ones that started it You couldn't walk down the street in the 90s without being assaulted by an image of Taz. People love the Tasmanian devil. Dude, we had that. He had a solo cartoon on Fox animation. Did he really? Oh, yeah. Tasmania, yeah.

It's one we actually haven't covered. I want a cartoon. That's someday, someday we'll go to Tasmania. I was thinking of the Taz where Taz's stock is at up or down when watching Space Jam a new legacy. because he's in it but I was thinking like the kids today even know him or are they wishing because he gets dropped off by Rick and Morty

and I was thinking like the kids are probably know way more about Rick and Morty than they do the TAS these days. Yes, because Rick and Morty had more recently had a dipping sauce at McDonald's than Tasmanian devil did, yeah. So we meet Dr. Neferio here again

the awful Russell brand and he's saying, hey man, I'm a person who's interested in criminal enterprises, not so much this unsanitary jelly making. So I have taken another job. We get a fucking

oh, there's really good dental coverage joke here, speaking of tired shit. So he takes this new job and he quits and on his way out boy are we laughing at this. The 21 fart gun salute. Oh, man.

Just when you thought like this shit wasn't rock bottom enough here come the fart jokes complete with like a brownish green cloud that comes out of these guns yeah when you get the sequels like with Austin Powers you now have the right to reuse jokes

so they reuse the fart gun and they also reuse Dr. Neferrios very slowly exiting a scene you're right oh shit that is a recycled joke you're totally right I forgot about that do it twice as long I mean yeah they had in the first movie the joke

like they shoot the fart gun once and they don't even have the guts to say the word fart they say he just shoots it they goes no i meant a dart gun not a little but he doesn't say fart this time they're like oh we're just going to say fart gun a bunch though yes the fart gun is also key to the minions ride so they must have just been told like everyone loves the fart gun let's have the fart gun all henry did they spray you guys with farts on that ride they no isn't in the joke like oh get get the fart gun and then they use the fart guns like, oh, it's actually the banana gun. Is that what it is? It was, it hits you with a banana scent. It's to trick you to think you're going to have to smell a fart while waiting, but instead it's a, it's banana scented. And of course, the minions love that guys. Well, trick question, right?

You're at Universal or wherever. You're on the minions ride. You've smelled fart that day. Am I wrong? Yeah, I mean. Is this from the ride or is this from someone in line? On the kids' rides, especially, I smelled a few like, the changing rooms over there

ladies is what I want to say a couple of steaming go ahead I was just I was thinking about you know you were saying that the the despicable me ride swapped out from the

Hannah Barbarra ride but what I thought you were going to say because the way you were describing the ride a little bit and I'm realizing now it didn't move but I'm sure you guys were familiar with the honey I shrunk the audience attraction that used to be down there. I don't know if it was in California, too.

But it was definitely in Florida when I went in like 98 or 99. And that was sort of a similar William Castle inspired. Like they tell you like, oh, there's mice running through the floor. And you get sprayed, like shot with a little, there's like a hose that shoots a little cold air at you. And that's supposed to be like the mice. And I remember everyone's screaming, but that didn't work for me because I had pants on.

So I couldn't feel the wind. you know but then it's like the smells and the wetness kind of shit it's also like that abysmal uh do you guys ever see a movie in 4 dx oh no no i have not i i don't think i can find it right here now i've done the one where you get into the box i think dbox i think it's called but that's not 4 d box is the box you get in that kind of moves with the movie yeah and i think uh 4 dx is just a knockoff of that because i'm pretty sure d box was first 40x is the same idea bob but you you are on instead of like a box and you're just kind of singularly seated there it's like a whole bench so you can fit like four or five across whatever and the entire thing moves on hydraulics at the same time and you definitely get sprayed with water from who knows where that comes off the seat back in front of you they have huge like industrial fans for wind I accidentally saw Mission Impossible Rogue Nation

in a 4DX screening and it was basically like yeah you were on a two and a half hour amusement park ride no seatbelt you had to if you had to like go to the bathroom you needed to find a non-action part

because like otherwise you couldn't you couldn't get off the seat because you're just moving and grooving on this you know it was horrible you're just on a mechanical bull for the entire film pretty much Yeah, I mean, my ass cheeks got a workout during that screening. That ride you were talking about, they just assumed the audience is not going to have pants.

Like, everybody was screaming around. Like, family members include, well, I mean, it's Florida. It's a fucking swamp down there. I mean, most people in the auditorium did have shorts on, but I just happened to have a pair of jeans on. It did not work for me. But, yeah, that was, I remember being kind of a cool ride, like Rick Moranis participated in it. So there he is playing Wayne Zelensky. I think it's probably one of those things

much like the Back to the Future Ride and some others where someone has uploaded that video program like onto YouTube and you could watch the ride or whatever. Yeah. Oh, we're on a tangent here, but it only dawned on me when I was halfway through the second movie or at the end of the second movie.

These were really designed for 3D. And I don't know about you guys, but I no longer have to find the non-3D screening for anything anymore because they're just not really around. And thinking of that, you can definitely see the put your glasses on now scenes, the first person scenes, the scenes at the end of the movie where the minions are like reaching out at you and in dropping stuff and extending things to the audience. Well, you know, I wish I had. I did. We do have some POV cam in this movie. You're totally right. I forgot about that. That's definitely enjoyed the 3D tech. Sorry. I wish I had a, you know, 3D glasses for this sexy made costume on this minion that we get right here. Oh, thank you. Yes. This sets up.

you know, sort of like this part of the villain's scheme, but you don't really understand what's going on here. Yes, there is indeed a minion dressed up in a sexy maid costume, straight out of the movie Clue, and the doorbell rings, and this minion has just snatched up, sexy costume and all. Very strange. I like that you think he's going to be, like, embarrassed.

He's wearing his main costume and say he straightens it up to let that. I legitimately left. It shows that the Jim, Gender is just an expression in the world of minions, as in all gender, I would say. Exactly. I was actually starting to wonder by the end of this movie, if it hasn't happened yet, will it happen, especially with like younger fans growing up? Like, could the minions become queer icons?

Because there's a lot in this movie where I was like, okay, minions. Like, yeah, I would not expect this in a children's movie, but here it is. If that happened. Kind of interesting, I don't know. There would be protests. you'd lose the Grampies on Facebook that love these guys. But that's what's funny. You watch some of the stuff

that they do in this movie and I was sitting here like did Grampies get upset about this? Because I could see them easily doing it. You know what I mean? Like this made sequence for one because of the serious nature in which the minion is serious about the way that they're dressed up. So like that had to have rattled somebody the wrong way. The thing is because they're so ambiguous, you know,

sexually that and gender-wise, I think like some people I think they're into it you know what I mean? They're like yeah you know like you could read it in different ways yeah this movie answers the question do they have genitals and the answer is no

so we know they have butt cheeks I know you guys covered this on your first episode but thoroughly yes imply some sort of anus or opening I think these guys are rocking cloacas and male and female birds have cloacas I think you're on to something there

yeah I'm liking this so now these The genetic makeup of these things are they're part grew, they're part penguin maybe, and they're part banana. I think we're starting to piece together how the minions are made. Right. They shit piss and come out of the same hole. I mean, one has to assume we see them eating a ton in this movie. Right.

Like if they are eating and digesting food, it must have to exit. We see a butt with two cheeks that must have some sort of exit point in there for a digestive system. The food's got to go somewhere. You know, it's just, it's all right there. Now I'm picturing one of my favorite Simpsons jokes ever is when

Lisa's, they're thinking about, or I think it's Homer's thinking about how various foods are made or something and it's a thing about hot dogs and it's like a raccoon and like a boot, you know? It's like, what are the minions made up? Right. Since it's come up on the topic of Simpsons plus

minions, me and Bob have learned of a Simpsons Minion fact we have a fact that's right Mike Reese who ran the show with Al Jean in seasons 3 and 4

and was a writer all over the place throughout the history of the show he actually named the minions he came up with the idea that they all have

generic white guy names and because of that they're named after Simpson's writers so there's Kevin is named after the lake Kevin Curran Stewart is named after

Jay Stewart Burns Bob is named after Bob Bendinson who I think was a bigger writer on other shows, but he wrote for the Simpsons a few times. So that's where these names came from. And I think he came up with other jokes, Henry, other

like running things. So I pulled off the shelf the, the, the gratis copy we got from Mike Reese of it when we interviewed him. And he has a whole, most of his memoirs about Simpson's work and then growing up and going to school. But he also talks about how he is a well-paid

punch-up writer for cartoon movies and including most of the Illumination films. uh he's the joke that i see people under 30 meme of from the first movie where uh grew is laying out his plans but then the last it's like four board the third board is him sitting on a toilet and he's and he's like what like that mike reese says he wrote that and yeah that he he was the guy he said i got this from the the script he's like throughout the or i got this from the book grab the script grew would always refer to them collectively as boys but i thought it would be funny to address them by name

so and then he said that when he sees the minion movie that comes out a two years after this movie that it Kevin Stewart and Bob are like get feature trailers they are the main three that get in all the ads and he's like oh that's insane like he says I couldn't tell them apart but the kids could it's like how my father felt about the Beatles I guess that's fair I mean you know what these minions are taken over I think we're just going to have to I'm going to stop halfway through this i'm just i'm going to join their side i'm the side of history the minions are never going away

just like the beetles have never gone away yeah yeah i'm going to gouge out one of my eyes the minions uh bigger than the beetles who were bigger than jesus so the minions bigger than the lord jesus christ i think that's absolutely what we take away from that uh amen so they go to grue goes to scout them all and he takes a couple of these

minions with him and I guess like the minions themselves are sort of apprehensive about going out in public as their minion selves so we have to wear disguises and there's one who's wearing a dress and the dress gets pulled off by the escalator to which this thing covers up tits that aren't there that's a weird joke that's very odd yeah this mall stuff maybe it's also because we were just there but it kept reminding me of city walk in uh in universal Hollywood it does this open-air mall which is a universal property. But then I feel like they'd gotten the real citywalk branding in there if Universal was trying to do it right.

Oh, well, that would be awful, right? It's like, we have to go chase them down at the glorious Universal City Walk. And they actually, like, go, they animate it in the movie. That would be really sniffing your own farts kind of shit. You should run by Margaritaville. That's, uh, oh, God, Margarita. Don't go in.

Putting the fart got in your own mouth and taking your life. Actually, Eric, when we went to the Margarita Village Times Square, a lot of touristy farts in that restaurant. Absolutely. Stinky, yeah. So this is where he finds the bakery, which they're using as a front. And we've got Kristen Wigg. Just eating up the clock doing martial arts on a bunch of cupcakes for some reason. That's got to be funny for somebody.

Yeah, it felt like it had to also check the box of, like, like she's quirky, but also she can kick butt, but not when it matters because she will be kidnapped. Yeah, yeah, the quirk will outweigh the fighting skills when it's, when the time really comes for it. Absolutely.

Henry, she's a lady. She has got to be kidnapped. That's true. Yeah, I also to think of like, oh, this is Jim just doing a joke that they already know is funny with this actor. I had forgotten until reading the IMDB trivia that, in bridesmaids three years before this movie comes out

Kristen Wig is a cupcake baker that's her job in the movie oh yes you're right fuck so they just stick her and it's like oh let's have more cupcake comedy with Krista Wig like that that's a proven winner they won't care

and now you know we never come back to this setting ever again despite this being Groo's Roos gruse he never has to operate this bakery I thought that there'd be a lot of fun lot of jokes coming out of what how was grew going to run this bakery and spy on other shop owners that never happens in this juggling those two things literally been funny yeah i if they it would have

been when they're so good at like physical silent comedy stylings like how do you not do like the it could even just have the minions the minions try to bake cupcakes with hilarious results like just it writes itself this is where having a tv show this shit i feel is Because you can get 22 reliable minutes out of the minions trying to run a bakery that's a front for a spy organization. So yeah, Lucy is assigned to be Gru's partner now. And this is where, I don't know if it's Doug or Kevin or whatever one of these minions definitely starts fantasizing about being in love with a human woman. And it's this whole daydream that thing is having, including some guitar, wakachika, wakachika, guitar. effects right here.

It's porn music. Waka chika waka chica equals pornography music. Absolutely. And this is just right here. They're almost going to kiss. Oh, this is Dave the minion I wrote down. Dave is the one having this pseudo-sexual fantasy about this

human woman. Dave must be the horniest minion, right? He's probably known for getting into these types of despicable me twos. Dude, there's another 22 minutes for our Dispicable Me cartoon. there's an episode where Dave the horny one

succeeds in getting a girl to go on a date with him but the girl thinks that he's a human so what do you do? Four minions stacked on top of each other in a trench coat there's your episode and then they get a banana or a twinkie to emulate just like the bakery thing though this is not followed up on at all there's no subplot about Dave being in love with a human

this is it no no and that's like a heavy thing to just drop once that needs to be like a thread through all of this is like Dave perceives that he is like fighting groove for the heart of this lady or something all that. And if I may take this movie further into comedy court. So they have this bit of like oh Dave sees her and then it's like slow mo I'm in love

with her shot. They do that two more times in this movie and when they do those two, it's back to back as well. So it's, uh, that's wrong. It is comedically wrong. I mean, right After this, we got our introduction of Eduardo, right? The restaurant owner, who turns out to be al-Macho. And he's kind of porn-coated, too, with like this silk shirt, this medallion. He's got the chest, he exposes himself to everyone here.

He's like, Ron Jeremy in many ways. Yeah. Dude, he does look like an animated version of the hedgehog. He absolutely does. The chest hair specifically is like, that was gross. You know what? Like, that guy needs to be hairless. because, like, the gag is like, oh, I need 200 cupcakes.

I'm having a Cinco de Mayo party at my house. I need 200 cupcakes all designed like the Mexican flag, which might look a little something like this. And he tears his shirt open to reveal this huge chest tattoo with the Mexican flag, which kick ass, but get that fucking hair out of there. That was so disgusting. Wouldn't it be fun to watch these minions try to make this, or this order is a big order for us and it's a big thing?

Yeah. But it's got dropped, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I don't even think he gets those cupcakes. I guess they eventually show up at the Cinco de Mayo party. I don't remember seeing them. But, you know, it's been an hour since we last complimented in this movie. And I will say the animation when Gru sees Eduardo as a macho and we see his origin story.

Yes. Very funny bit where he is mixing liquor with snake venom. Then he eats the shock glass. Then he pays the bill by slamming the snake's fangs into the bar. I thought that was very well done. I thought it was pretty cool. do like him using the snake venom as if it's like a

soda jerk thing you know and he's spraying it if it's carbonated water that was pretty cool more of that shit please in these movies the writing the shark into the volcano strapped with dynamite that is very aught's epic comedy to me but yeah at least

the explosion of the volcano is like well done I'll get it's definitely Chuck Norris joke territory for heading into with that kind of thing oh yeah yeah you're right like a Charlie Sheen Tiger's Blood thing almost also and just the concept of like oh he died the most macho

way possible so masculine he committed suicide it is I mean this whole plan of his is a real long game thing because Gru says in this moment he's like oh that looks a lot like this dude el macho but he died

20 years ago 20 years ago this guy's been faking his own death laying low but only now like the whole thing with the serum I don't know I need something in there about like I've been like when he's finally unveiled to be the villain I've tried all these scams over the years

also like give him some sort of personal vendetta against Gru make it a thing like that instead it's just like I'm just another villain and I don't know I stuck around for 20 years doing nothing and decided hey maybe this is the one and I'll steal this super soldier serum or whatever. What the movie doesn't care about is like any, here's so many things you could do like emotionally,

which again, the movie doesn't care. Like one, you can see he quit to be a father. Like he has kids too. Like, and maybe he could be like, oh, I'm like you grew except I got sick of being a dad. I wanted to be a villain again. He also, he could have had, he could have a wife and it could show him like,

oh, married life. This is how it works when you're a villain. It could work like, there's that's that's many things they could do there or that he kidnaps all of his minions because he was jealous of the minions he's like now i want the minion army like lots of emotional uh reasons could exist in this instead of just he's a big fat hairy guy well no we can't do that we can't add anything to this movie because we right here we need a minion ice cream dance number yes oh god was this where they're they're in their um

like grew finds them all like hanging out and it's kind of like when all the little kids in the foot clan and ninja turtles one are just like smoking and gambling and skateboarding everywhere because that's kind of what they're doing they're like drinking teaky drinks and gambling and pigging out playing golf being startled by a cat in the garbage outside it's this is filler stuff but save this for the TV show this whole a lot of A lot of kids entertainment uses the idea of ice cream as a replacement for drinking or drugs. But you really can't do this after that like a mortal scene in the SpongeBob movie. I feel like they made that their own thing.

I'm seeing it again here. And then we see they have infinite ice cream in their layer. And then there's a scene later where they're chasing an ice cream truck. When they have access to ice cream, I should not be pointing out bottles like this, but it bothers me. You can drive a truck through it. Bob, you mentioned a movie I have not seen the SpongeBob movie. Does he shoot up ice cream like heroin

and that? Is that what you're referring to? You know, it gets pretty close. They have a wild ice cream night and then they're hung over the next day. Oh, oh, got it. It's very, that SpongeBob has a funny 5 o'clock shadow in the scene. It's like great 1940s drunk acting on it

which I am certain the animators of this movie have seen that movie, have seen the SpongeBob. I mean, a minion in SpongeBob. I mean, a Minion in SpongeBob. Not too far apart, I'd say as well. That's true. A yellow, weird-shaped thing that talks funny. Also kind of short. At least you can understand. Yes, also kind of short. At least you can understand SpongeBob, though, for the most part. Yeah. There's one future joke in this.

We'll get to it much later. That is also stolen from a property with yellow characters. And I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. The thing about this whole ice cream sequence or whatever, it's all to set up just two more minions getting kidnapped. Because it's this whole thing of them cutting loose and whatever and grew like leaves these

two minions who are like golf enthusiasts to watch the kids. And then they immediately get kidnapped. So it's all of that just to steal two more of these little guys. And later obviously it makes no sense Neferio's reasoning.

But so he says like, oh, I can't mess with my family you are kidding like it shows he views the minions as subhuman like these is like oh it's like i'm stealing vacuum cleaners from him they're not my family his turn back to being good makes no sense no it's just a really convenient way to sort of end the movie so while those golfing minions are supposed to be watching the kids grew and lucy break into el macho's restaurant there is this completely unfunny thing where there's like a security guard chicken that's going after them.

Really abysmal shit with that. It's just ripping off like goggles. Yeah. No, no, the chicken I was just going to say, it's like ripping off the rabbit from Holy Grail. Like it's just money python.

Yeah. No, I'll tell you what seems. Absolutely. What seems even worse and despicable me for, they fight a honey badger in it. And they in 2024, I think it's really like recent to do a honey badger joke.

Yes. Good. You know what? If someone's fighting that hunter, Honey Badger and someone says that that Honey Badger does not care about something. I mean, mail that shit to when this movie came

out. Like, that's at least easily over 10 to 15 years old. Yeah, but you know, we got that loose chicken we have to fight with, but then we come across X-ray goggles. And it seems like our Groove fellow wants to take a little

peek at Lucy with these on, right? And it turns out it just, he gets to see her brains and innards and instead of what he thought it would be. In the joke, I don't know. Again, this is just punch up I'm trying to do on a movie that was very successful. But it's like, I think him seeing her organs, you should write him weirder that he's like, ooh, you got a sexy brain there.

He's into it. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I mean, I think it needs punch up. It only made $971 million. We could get it to a billion, which is like a little more work. Just some joke tweaks. you're at a billion dollars baby it could have happened but the x-ray specs also show grew

uh-oh behind this painting there's a safe that appears to have a bottle in it we crack this sucker open oh man isn't this great it's oddly it it's a jar of salsa that says secret salsa recipe recipe itself nowhere to be found it's just a jar of salsa that says there's a recipe somewhere but okay uh but yes they're thinking it's the px41 serum Uh, does not happen.

Meanwhile, the minions are, I guess, driving like the getaway vehicle here is the idea. And they like back over this poor fucker. Like Eduardo comes to the restaurant like, oh, someone's broken into my restaurant. What's going on? Immediately backed over by minions in a small car. Eric, this was actually kind of reminding me of the opening ish of a commando with Arnold in the mall. And he's got the tiny car in that part of the movie. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Oh, more commando stuff in your minnow. in the movie, please. Well, previously we were doing bad Incredibles. Now we're doing bad Blues Brothers with this car loose in the mall. Yes, exactly. Also, like, we're in a mall, by the way, and speaking, we were just

talking about Paul Blart last week or a couple weeks ago. Where is any, like, mall security here? Like, the first movie doesn't have cops or anything, but, like, you figure a really easy punching bag, especially for poorly written movies like this, a mall security joke in there somewhere.

Like, oh, somebody calls security. Like, oh, we already took care of them and, like, they're tied up or something like that. You're going to address it in some way. There's a gag where we see one blartesque mall guard for something. Maybe it's the scene. He's like walking by with headphones on. But that, yeah, I remember that. That's how we get around that.

There it is. I did miss that. I will give, you know, El Macho, he could have, under Castle Doctrine, he would have been entirely in his rights to kill both of them for breaking news. that would have been a different movie too if he had actually just shot and killed one of them and then they have to be like that's a Clone Brothers movie there when he does show up he's got a dark line this Eduardo

he's like somebody's going to die tonight yeah I can't tell if the movie wants you to be surprised that he's the bad guy or not with lines like that I kind of think the movie doesn't give a shit if you figured it out or not like it's just like we're going to run to the finish line of this movie If someone picks on stuff, great.

If other people don't pick up on it, also great. Coming up here, though, this was another time killer thing that I was mentioning. It's just a vignette. Bob, to your point about how much they love ice cream, the minions running to this ice cream truck, again, it's all to facilitate just a bunch more minions being kidnapped by the bad guy, still the secret bad guy, maybe to some people, because they're getting sucked up by, like, the speaker that's playing,

The ice cream truck music is actually a vacuum that sucks up all these minions that want the ice cream. And before you get to that, you've got this whole thing of, like, little neighborhood kids that we sit on for quite a few seconds, just playing in the street. Then they're running for the ice cream truck. Then what I did think was kind of a funny gag of all these minions just blowing past all these kids really fast because they want the ice cream over them. But like, it is a whole sequence just to, again, we keep cutting back and oh, isn't it creepy or, you know, mysterious that these minions are getting picked off here and there, like just eating the clock up. We know they're getting kidnapped. We know I, I guess you get to chuckle that they call it gelato of one of their like many like borrowed words that they, they're polyglots,

I guess, the minions. Yeah, no, they definitely are. Yeah. This eats up time. And then when they go to the minion resort island for no reason for more antics, that eats up time. I don't understand why they're not just transported directly to the layer, they get to hang out in the fun zone for a little bit with their banana drinks and skinny dipping? I guess because yeah, I don't know, right?

It's like if it's a thing where maybe if the villain's plot was to some reason like eat these things, he would need to plump them up so it's like, yes, I'm giving you all this food and drink for my plump little minions or whatever, but like it is the oddest, swankiest,

most relaxing holding pen a kidnapped person has ever experienced. It makes absolutely no sense. I do want to point out a good joke in the ice cream truck sequence that I did laugh at. The one minion when he gets up to the counter or the truck and he's trying to order all this stuff, he whips out a massive wad of cash. And I just like that notion of like, they're just going to spend $1,500 on ice cream and don't care. I think that's kind of great. The ice cream truck needs to come to that street like every day. they'd be making bank oh lady he's putting my kid

through college but oh here we go we got to talk about Ken Jong as Floyd Eagle son and I feel like you know I did mention my suspicion that this movie was all in like a mall food court the one exception is Ken Jong in this wig

store and I would put some money on the original script Ken Zhang running some sort of Asian food restaurant here and they were like you know what why don't we flip this out that's a bit too much now he's like a funny wig guy because

it's like cupcake bakery you know Eduardo runs a Mexican restaurant like in the mall here which it's like it's not a food court mall so this is kind of like if it was the food court but then there's a P.F. Chang's right there just a big restaurant inside a mall that's Eduardo's place

I again yeah I would put money on Ken Zhang was originally also some sort of food proprietor they made them change that well I guess it's good they changed that but we also had to change it because it's been a little while since we've insulted Gru and shit on his appearance

yes this Ken John character he looks white this is such a white movie that when we get to the Cinco de Mayo character a party later and I see a character with brown skin I'm just something seems weird like who's that what are they doing here I was yeah I was

asking my husband like, okay, wait, is Ken Jong's character supposed to be Asian or not? Like, I mean, I think Ken Jong was directed or chose to do a voice that has more of an accent than he normally uses in roles. And his character has a Fu Manchu mustache. But he's blonde. But he also is wearing like a Chinese, you know, traditional outfit too. Like I, and I really can't tell what he's supposed to be, like, ethnicity-wise. Yeah, it's, I think it's sort of, like, vague Asian, right? I mean, the blonde thing is, like, because it's a wig, so I guess he's dying

the fu-manchu to match the wig, but also, like, if he's Floyd Eagle, but then it's, like, Eagle-San, like that getting thrown around. So it is this mash-up of, you know, a bunch of different traditions and nationalities, I feel. And he, you're right,

Henry, there's definitely more of a voice being put on there than he has. Ken Jong, no stranger to voice acting, or, you know, just, he hasn't played live action characters with accents this heavy. I don't recall anyway. I mean, I don't want to shock you guys here. I'm not 100% up on my watching of Ken Jong's entire filmography, but. Get on it. Get on it.

I mean, he takes a lot of jobs, but also, I mean, he's great in community. I was just rewatching a bunch of community. Oh, yeah. Still, still great. And though his character is usually pointing out stereotypical casting that is not unlike his casting in this film. Yeah, no, I've been curious if a community holds up. How are you feeling about that? I think it holds up pretty good.

I think it holds up pretty good, at least, mostly, yeah, mostly. I never bothered with that final season that aired on Yahoo! Yahoo screen, yeah, it's a good, give it a watch. It's a good wrap-up, at the very least, I'm sure you guys love, Keith David, and he's a regular final season. Oh, yeah. Oh, because he replaces Chevy Chase, right? Yes, yeah. That's a

trade to fuck up right there. That sounds good. Yeah. Well, here we'd lighten the mood with grew air-humping everything in this weird to try to try to find, because I guess the transmitters on his crotch. His belt buckle,

yes. So basically she's like, oh, Lucy says to him, like, oh, you know, there might be some of this. Some serum was detected in Ken Jong's store, so we got to go in. Your belt buckle has a thing on it that will react

if you are close to a substance. So since it's on his belt buckle, he is thrusting his pelvis in front of all of these shelving units and doors and whatnot trying to set off the alarm. And yes, it just

looks like he's air-humping everything around him. At least like Kristen Wake saying, it's going to make this noise. Me, ma, me, ma'am, me, ma'am. I was like, okay, all right. But then they just do that joke again with the minion who's the fire alarm later. Like, not too long after. Yes. Oh, you're right.

Like, you're stealing jokes from your own movie. Well, this wasn't, this was the comedy crime, a comedy crime I was mentioning earlier too. It was like, right when Lucy meets the kids for like all of seven seconds and they, and like, Agnes falls in mom love

with Lucy. Yes. So it's another like slow-mo shot of a character falling in love. And then like two minutes after that is when Margo gets her crush on the boy with a slow-mo fall in love scene. I was like, no, you can't. Not three times. Twice in two minutes.

You're totally right. Margot getting this crush is pretty weird. You get this slow shot of this boy with floppy hair and he's got a leather jacket and it's supposed to be so hot. And is the character's name.

Also, by the way, because we are just allowing Ferell to curate this whole soundtrack, we have his just a cloud away that he is being sung here while she is falling for this kid. So, you know, more money for him.

That's great. Have you guys seen the news I just read the other day that the song Ferell has written for Despicable B4 is apparently a Drake disc track also, Oh, what? I hope so. Is that true?

I was hoping it was a minion this track. But yeah, this is the Eagle Hair Club that he's in, by the way, that's name of Ken Jones. Bald Eagles, get it? Get it? Yep.

Oh. Actually, I didn't. Thank you. Which that's a joke you can make, like, if this was a world populated with, like, anthropomorphic animals, like, he's the bald.

Like, that's, that's for that joke. That's not for, for this. You can't just name that guy Eagle and have that be the joke. I don't care for that. But yeah,

he's thrusting around or whatever. And then, like, this is a disgusting thing. This guy, Ken Jong's character, Gifts grew a temp wig that he can put up. It's just like a wig

in a vacuum sealed bag. Oh my God. It's disgusting. And his baldness, I forgot too, that his baldness is used. for like a real parents laugh at it

joke in the movie where that Agnes says oh I know how you're a boy and he's like you do like and then he thinks he's going to have to explain you know genitals to his youngest daughter

but instead she's like yeah because you're bald yeah in this movie we have Carmen Miranda jokes a loveboat references and also to pay humor yeah two pay humor

they're out there on the edge in terms of writing comedy and he's stroking the wig like a white cat so it's a blow felt thing there too you're totally right and also having it be a hair club that's a reference to hair club for men which guess all the dads in the theater were like

oh I remember when my dad joined that this is where we've got grew falling right into traditional quote like fatherly roles he's got to blow up this daughter's a little date with this kid. Margo goes to the Mexican restaurant with Antonio and

they're kind of like having a little like me cute. He's like, oh, I want to play video games for a living and whatever. So Twitch is around I guess and we're just making a comment right. I mean Antonio as the son of a rich guy, he is perfectly set up to be a Twitch streamer like

that's right. That's where like Timothy Chalamey started. He was reviewing Xbox controllers or something like that. I would bet Timothy Shalmay in 2013 looked a lot like this guy. That's true. Shortly before he was rapping at

NYU or whatever it was going on there, that's also embarrassing for that guy. But yeah, so like Gru comes in and like fucks this whole thing up here. What is the oh, oh this is really bad when they're

like kind of doing some like speaking basic Spanish and She's like, oh, meyamo, and he cuts her off and he's like, Mayama Lama ding dong, let's get out of here. I'm like, I don't know about that. That's a fucking Howard Stern joke from the mid-90s. Like, oh my God. And, and you know, the minions, like a third of their language is Spanish,

so he shouldn't be so disrespectful to that language either. That's right. And I believe you're Eduardo, right, Mr. L. goddamn, what was it? El macho. I must have said El Shampo, but I knew that was wrong. He's got this dancing number because it's been, it's now it's been a few minutes.

It's been maybe a minute since something sexually charged has happened. So he has to steal a woman from outside and swirl her around to do this giant dance number. Cut to a table of women drooling over this Eduardo. Oh, yeah. Well, speaking of despicable, me too, like he just grabs that woman and starts dancing with without any consent. But of course, he likes it, which makes it worse.

I guess the innovation these movies have is they don't wait until the end of the movie to give you the dance party. It's interspersed throughout. Every character is great at dancing, and there's so many dancing. Sorry, Andrew. No, no, no. You're totally right, Bob. Like, it's the whole movie's a dance party when you really think about it. Like, somewhere, maybe it might not be on screen at that moment,

but somewhere in the Despicable Me universe, there's always someone dancing. So even when someone isn't dancing on camera, there's some minions somewhere fucking around dancing or some shit. Absolutely. I did like the joke that he's, Eduardo, this kid is like sexually dancing or whatever. And then

the joke is, instead of like a rose for the lady, it's a coupon to the restaurant. I love she takes it in her teeth. That was, that actually made me laugh. I was like, that is fun, hypersexual charged moment in there.

And then they get invited to the Cinco DiMaio party and this is where Gru has to go visit Rough Butt again and say it's El Macho and we have to lock up the sun too. That son gives me the creeps. I mean

Gru is following more of these very gendered rules in this movie like he must violently protect the chastity of his daughter like that at all costs including screwing up this mission where like the dude is clearly El Macho and is clearly

behind it and he's like i don't know about that i want to move away from this guy um yeah it's it's all really bad oh this is we got to talk about it this is where we are are finally we are revealed the island of minions and where they're all kept on this orgeastic vacation beach that they've got here mungo jerry's playing and everything this is the minion skinny dipping you guys oh my god the butt cheeks are out no one appeared to be too upset that this is going on. Even though this dude is the only nude

minion in the bunch, there's a lot of other minion bathing suits to be seen on this beach, but this guy just saunters right out of the water. Straight up smut. This is grooming your children. That's what this is. Well, this part of the plot is just Dr. Nefario wanting nude minion footage.

It had not been seen yet. Yes. That's right. Yes. Yeah, that's right. I'm filming your minions. Come on. I believe, they cross this barrier of, all right, we have fully, we have shown a full Minions but they decided they have to keep up in it for the next one of the posters for the minions movie is the three minions, all three of their bare asses like looking at their clothes on a clothesline. And I was like, that's right. Wow, the poster. The image is three

million asses. You know, you just got me thinking, Henry, there's got to be somewhere on the internet where someone has done nude minions seated from behind a la the pink Floyd poster oh my god and if not somebody get on that because that's a real

that's some t-ball shit right there you're welcome for that piece of fan art see how much your search history is ruined there dude meanwhile while eric looks out up we can talk about his grew goes on a disastrous date with one of the neighbor's friends. This is Shannon voiced by Kristen Shaw

and this lady is just like kind of talking shit the whole time, very superficial kind of person and he's wearing this temporary wig on his head. Ooh, this thing looks bad. I'm not finding it, Andrew. I'm not finding the Pink Floyd but I am seeing them do the Abbey Road

Beatles. Well, sure. Yep. That is out there. Oh, are the minions barefoot in the poster? Like the Beatles were? Oh, their foot minions. They're not shoes in this poster. That's fucked up.

Let's do a search of porn hub and see what we found. Okay. This date of his played by Krista Shaw, it feels like they're so, they don't really care about characterization in these movies, so she's every kind of bad date where she at first appears to be vacant and gum chewing, but then you find out she's like a

militant exercise person. And then we find out she has like strong hair values, I guess. See, well, she basically, we're kind of doing an Elaine Benis here, right? I don't like this thing and here's what I'm doing with it. You know, your ball, that'll think.

Because she says, I'm going to rip that thing off your head and show everyone what a bald head and phony you are, she says to this guy. I have a feeling Shannon is one of those people who guards restrooms. One of our bathroom patriots for sure. Oh, my God. But Lucy's coming in to get takeout food and sees this going on and tranks her ass.

Yeah, dude. That was doing it for somebody, too. I had to, yeah, I had to note when she gets her butt tranked, the animation of it like clenching up like some animator did some late nights on that. I'm not going home until I get the clench right. I just, I was trying to make this movie better. her in my head and after she's tranked I just imagined a scene later in the movie where she wakes up strapped to a table in a Dexter

style just surrounded by minions and that's all we see of her oh I'd love that she's got her entire butt she's like stuck to the table with saran wrap all around her except for her head or something I mean she is face down and I have to say ass up when they

yeah you're right face down in the spaghetti drowning in her own food but thanks to that late night animator clenched ass up definitely face down ass up that's how we like to trank I did like the drinky drinky motion that they get away with with Lucy though but but like they they're big meat cute like when their relationship gets to the next level

is when they work together to roofie a woman yep yeah how did you and dad meet well funny story I was on this other date and your mother roofied her right and then we stole her body out of the restaurant and did some really fucked up things to it while taking her home because and we're definitely because this movie we already talked about it it steals from itself as it's still going on

this is very similar to how she is contorting Gru's body at the beginning of the movie trying to get him in the car to take him to the base at the beginning they also do a weekend at Bernie's thing here too yeah yes i mean it's all it's all in that bernie's realm of we're playing with a corpse right because like the head gets stuck in a door they slingshot her into a pole and then the body is tied like fucking national lampoon's vacation this body is tied to the roof of the car as they drive her home and then she breaks hard at the last second and the body flies off the roof of the car and it hits the back of the car in front of them what are we doing i get that this woman is set up to be like not a great person as like as a character or whatever but like you are physically abusing this

she's a killer yeah I mean she is dead there's no there's no way like the only reason I feel like you see her very confusingly in the background of the last scene when they're having the wedding is just so the filmmakers could be like see they didn't

kill that girl she's alive she attended the wedding she lived through all of that physical trauma that her body took while she was shranked in the ass well henry mentioned the lucy making the drinky drinking motion to the waiter

and that is exhibit a in my case of the simpsons versus despicable me too exhibit b will be coming up very shortly I do think it's a real waste of Kristen shawl that like who's a very funny person and a great voice actress that they just have her to be like you're the shallow like bitch

who sucks you just do that yeah yeah she I mean she as Louise Belcher has been making me laugh for almost the better parts of two decades as that character. That's a, you know, I still tune into Bob's Burgers. I still think it is absolutely hysterical.

I've seen every single episode. And I think she's great on it. And that's an example of like, that's a person that can turn in a real deal vocal performance. Maybe she's not 10th banana in this movie. Banana. I shouldn't have said banana. My God. Oh my God. No, no. No. 10th fiddle.

Now we get like another ass pop and music moment, right because this is happy yes because she's like you look much better bald and she kisses him good night and then the next morning yes montage that fucking happy song god damn it one of the worst songs ever written

absolutely oh yeah in human history this movie brought the blade of happy upon the universe yeah they didn't they didn't put it in it because it was popular it debuted in this movie it was it was part of the huge success of it when we went to universal I told Bob to be on the listen to see how much

we hear happy here. We heard it a couple times. Not that much though. Really? I would have guessed that it was like the Universal Studios equivalent now of the It's a small world ride. Where they're just like playing it on a loop as you go through the line to get into the ride.

You would think that. Yeah. But now only it was, I think we only heard it on the very long escalator down the mountain at Universal Hollywood. Oh, got it. I actually I paused it when it hit. Genuinely surprised, 56 minutes into this movie is how long they were able to hold off any kind of happy play.

But, yes, you know, this is the migration ducks are here. He's helping the migration ducks cross the street. He's playing Frisbee for a second. Speaking of Seinfeld and George Costanza there. And also, yeah, we're doing Tai Chi in the park with people. And then he gets, I guess he's just doing this all on his way to the mall and when he gets there oh Ramsbottom and company are already

there they have arrested Floyd Eagleson for yes oh it looks like we found some we found the container or whatever it's mostly empty but there's still traces of it so he's getting arrested and you know he's yelling about being set up and

yada yada and oh wouldn't you know it now that the job's done Mr. Ramsbottom there is transferring our dear lady friend to Australia so off they're trying to write Lucy out of this movie already

I forget if an Australian super villain or something I wonder why she has to go I don't know if he's actually at the wedding Floyd Eagleson but he's not seen anymore in the Rams bottom guy this thread is completely lost after this we don't see if he Floyd is

vindicated he did nothing wrong yeah no no he's just a guy trying to run a wig shot I wish Eagleson the best in his lawsuit for illegal arrest, wrongful arrest. I hope he gets a few million dollars out of it. Oh, he's been deported. This is Obama's term.

Oh, that's true. He's on, yeah, sent to a black site. Yeah, you're right. Yep. Now, Gru's getting depressed because Lucy's being transferred. And now we got, I kind of like the sad montage here, especially when he's shoving women in the park doing yoga. It's him undoing all the, like, the things he's,

did in the happy song, but he should kill those ducks that he saves if they're going to... Yes, exactly. Like, it's a quick gag of, like, he sees the ducks crossing the street, he notices a truck barreling down on them, he stands frozen, maybe like folds his arms or something,

and you see the truck fly by really fast, and then once the truck flies by, just feathers in front of the camera. Feathers and a blood mist. I would love that. Yeah, just a subtle little blood mist. Just for anybody who's really paying attention.

You know, for this montage, though, is it Farrell or Farrell, whatever his name is? Farrell, they should have got him to write the parody version, Crappy. Yes, absolutely. I mean, Weird Al would do it a year later with Tacky, but. Right. Oh, Weird Al did a happy parody, huh, called Tacky?

Okay. That's right. And Farrell is still working with him to this day, not just on Despicable Me 4, but also there is about to be an entire illumination Farrell musical and I believe Kendrick Lamar is in a lead role in it too so yeah

oh boy well I'm glad all those dudes are making piles of money has it made enough funny yet I don't think no that's true maybe someday he will but not yet chuckle at Kristen Whig saying Hugh Jackman that

gave me a chuckle that was pretty good yes when she's like I've been practicing my accent what do you think about all these and Hugh Jackman though yeah ram's bottom again i was writing a better story for this movie in my head of like that he oh she's almost on to me i need to i need to arrest this guy and separate the two of them so they don't figure it out and send her to australia to cover my tracks yes oh that would be perfect yeah oh we there is a better movie in here somewhere and we're kind of digging it up

piece by piece so uh around here is where we finally get to see what is going on with these minions in paradise because here we are ones in he's got his little coconut bra bikini thing on and we're lightly playing some Bob Marley jamming

right here it's chomping on his banana and gets like sucked down through the water into a lab and finally here is what's going on we're injecting these things and the little minion in the maid costume is there that one gets injected

and turns into this purple monster is the idea and now finally we're seeing some semblance of what the villain's plan is and may I just point out that in movies that they're parodying like Bond and whatever way before an hour

and 10 minutes of the movie or let's say if we're comparing runtime percentages before 75% of the movie is complete you are finding out what Blofeld's plan is but it's not even really that put together because again we're doing the stupid thing

of like trying to make this villain his identity a mystery which is just a complete waste of time yeah and his plan is very broad it's just a take over the world plan at least in the first movie power the plan was to to steal the moon it was very specific right yeah he's got his little

heist and that's like that's something that's not just a vague we want all the power we want supreme power etc but again those purple Minions. I was seeing, I saw several people in the Purple Minion shirt still when we were in Universal. They, they had a, I saw some Purple Minion food. It was like a float or something. I,

I remember at it too. So, yeah. Oh, it's probably the, probably the same recipe as that grimace milkshake they offered for a while. So here's the big, like, the big blowout scene is it's at the Sanko de Mayo party. They all attend. And he's trying to like, he's trying to lay down. I like this actually. Like, Gru is trying to lay down all these rules for the kids,

like what not to do, you know, at the party, just behave or whatever. And I like this kid, Eduardo, coming up and being like, oh, there's no rules. It's Cinco de Mayo. And I would love, I'd love to see this kid be like, oh, hey, girl who's kind of my age. Do you want to try tequila for the first time?

Like these kids get in his. some trouble of some kind would be kind of nice The kid is Antonio and Eduardo is El Oh yes Macho Is El macho

You're right Yeah Antonio and so Antonio is the one Hitting on the little girl Not the Oh my God Huge hairy dude

With the chest tattoo This movie's not above it though The Antonio and girls Subplot is all resolved Offscreen so why bother getting invested at all Yeah That's right

Kind of funny moment here While David Guetta's where the girls at featuring Nikki Minaj and Flo Rida is playing. You have Gru getting coaxed into some dancing here and he gets kicked right in the balls. And this guy

getting kicked in the balls by a child, I think is probably the biggest laugh in the movie I had. Oh yeah. Of course. I love ball trauma. And I like the timing of it to a strobe effect. Like that was at least like a comedic, again non-dialogue comedy

is usually their strongest. Now, Bob, am I guessing that your second take of The Simpsons v. Illumination is right here at the party with the Gru's accoutrema that he's wearing? Yes, he's cheap hat or whatever he calls it. I think they call out what it's called in this world just to let everyone know it's legally distinct from Homer's Nacho hat because it's a chip hat. It's a sombrero that's wider. And instead of nacho cheese, there's guacamole not in the top, but around the brim. so they thought about this they know how yeah because homers is in a concave thing in the head of the in like the crown of it and it just right yeah no i i am totally with bob the second i saw it in the movie i was like this is the death penalty to me like you cannot steal a 20 at the time 20 year old simpsons joke in your movie like everybody knows the not show and then i got pissed on a whole other level because then i started seeing like the it has replaced the simpsons with influencers who make food from tv shows and movies because like the binging with babish channel when they made the nacho hat they made the despicable me too nacho hat not the simpsons nacho hat i i find that wrong that is fucked up although i will say i would i would prefer a hat with guac on top of it than hot cheese um but as as we know from

Simpsons lore, Homer has a really thick noodle there, so maybe it wouldn't bother his skull as much. But yeah, something about piping hot melted cheese right on the top of my dome doesn't really sound appealing to me. Cold, cold block makes more sense. It does. Yeah. I think

though, you know, we're talking structurally, it when you're pulling out the brim side that's making holes in it, you're going to lose quack. Like, when it's in the center, a little better. I was also upset to see, because we just went to Universal that at Universal Hollywood they don't have it but in Universal Orlando they do sell a

chip hat except it's bullshit it's a fake it's like a hat cup that has chips in it you can't actually eat the hat oh that's too bad I would I would eat the hat if someone makes that hat and like we're selling them at Yankee Stadium or something like I will buy that I will be the asshole eating off my own head so meanwhile Groove follows Eduardo down into some secret doors here. We have this, it's kind of like Indiana Jonesy sort of like he's got to step on

the right panels to open the door but he has to do it with a sound panel that's kind of like the big keyboard sort of thing but it's the melody of the cucoracha I believe to open it correctly. Yeah, you have to get it right otherwise there's swords, fire

maces, darts, shootout. Yeah. So while Gru is doing that we do have the Lucy on the plane flying to Australia where she starts seeing Gru's face first on every

magazine photo that she's looking at and then like again all of the people on the plane start turning into Gru and this is kind of I have to say this might be a third one here this is Homer getting upset at Mo and he's seeing him everywhere Mo Mo Mo you know

that whole right down to the baby yeah wow yes yeah the baby the baby was what sealed it for me i was like wait you're very right yeah where have i seen this before um but so she just has this moment she goes i choose grew just casually opening this door to the airplane and jumping out and like the flight attendant doesn't have a problem with this no one on the plane appears and i get it like movie for babies whatever but like this was just well the child audience now knows there's a fun little door in the airplane and anyone can open it And if you jump out, you can see Grue. We're going to meet Grug.

Suicide. Yeah. I mean, this I think shows you that Lucy has like, you know, a tumor in her brain or something. And that's like, she's lost it completely. So she just jumps out to get back to the movie. She's like, wait a second. No, I don't want to leave the movie. I want to come back to the movie.

Hang on a second. But, oh, wouldn't you know it? was right here's the magnet ship is here and el macho is alive faked his own death for reasons not really going to get into that but he faked his own death and now we're revealed he's working with dr nefario as well that's right that's right you know and he's like I had to borrow some of your minions and I do like this like he it's the minion Kevin who has been transformed and he's like oh Kevin and it's like he's not your Kevin anyway more, which is kind of funny.

But these minions, I guess I think this is also the case with like just yellow regular minions too. They make it seem like this purple minion being like bulletproof and flame retardant and indestructible is exclusive to this kind of minion, but like

these yellow guys are getting knocked all over the place and hit with hammers and chainsaws and shit and they're all fine. Yeah, we should have seen one minion death before this scene. The movie opens with a minion being torn apart by dogs or something I would love Oh hell yes

That would be pretty great Except to happy of course Of course Oh fuck that'd be awesome But so Whatever Lucy gets to this party But she's already You know too late

The return of the security chicken here The chicken kind of like narks on her almost It's so good we have to repeat that one Yeah Gru turns him down and exit so he's like I don't want to be evil see you later which is it's not even like

they remove any possible tension of him like trying to pretend he's on his side like as soon as he's gone out much is like I don't think he's on our side and that's it you're totally right Henry this is the moment where it's like oh is Gru actually being

seduced back into a life of villainy crime or whatever like no he was just playing him the whole time but like that's actually something thing. Instead, he just cowardly backs out of the door. Like, no, thank you. Whoa, well, we were.

Or wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't want to be sued. They could. Man, how is Satchi Baron Cohen, how is he not in one of these? Now I think about it. Yeah, that's a dude that can do voices. Yeah, sure. So, yeah,

Dr. Nefario here, again, just for reasons, turns sides and calls grew and he's like hey man um they kidnapped your lady friend this dude's totally evil blah blah blah so he you know whatever this is setting up the last part of the movie

grew is going back to his uh Eduardo's house where the it's the chibaba plan he's got it's the fake prisoner plan well honestly I do feel like it is laid out like the arrival to Jabba's palace in in return of the Jedi

yes oh absolutely like similar like weapon held at his back too almost but this is i complained about it earlier but the way lucy lucy is kidnapped and becomes a damsel despite all of the butt kicking and and ability she had shown before all my el macho has to do is grab her arm tightly and be like you're coming with me she's like well i guess i'm going to be tied up and held hostage i i i'm not a spy that can prevent this in any way see that's what all those other people before uh el macho you know know when they were trying to get Lucy and she successfully thwarted all of them that's the

one thing that they forgot to do just grab her by the forearm instantly shuts her down they just didn't know it but yes we learn here that el macho has this army of uh purple minions he's transformed all of grue's minions into the purple evil version you see them attack they attack at one point and he has to run up a tree or whatever these minions also eat that balloon of the unicorn ass first. That's right. Yeah.

Eat it ass first. There you go. And I thought they were setting up some sort of Mars attack style twist where oh, a loud noise will stop the purple minions, but that doesn't come up again at all. Yeah, Agnes is. Yeah. Oh, right. Yes. She screams and like breaks a bunch of glass and the one

minion is kind of like, oh, that's not cool. Yes, I thought totally a loud noises. thing. And for this movie, it's like a moth to the flame with loud, annoying noises. It would have been perfect. I did like the phone call scene. Like that was, I thought that was at least like a funny setup though. But the other bit I, when the purple minion attacks the despicable me home, I wondered if it was like an evil dead thing, not just the first person camera bit we talked about before, but also the person looking at the window and then the window breaks open

like that feels like the start of Evil Dead 2 kind of shot. Right. Oh, right. Another thing that's like not really acknowledged at all. Like you see he's got all these minions these evil minions in this like cage that's also shaped like a rocket

or is a rocket. And on the side of one of them is scribbled. I forget what city it is. I don't know if it's Milwaukee. Some city is scribbled on the side of it. And that led me to believe that, like, these rockets all have destinations and he's going to set these things down in the cities. And, like, have him say that. Have him explain that that's part of the plan.

Like, I'm going to not just use these guys to take over the world, but yes, every major metropolis will be, you know, overrun by these minions. Like, make it an actual thread. You're a cartoon. Just do that for a second at least so you can show me, like, a monument somewhere. and I could be like, oh, right, that's the Empire States building or that's, you know, this, that, the other thing would be, oh, there's the Eiffel Tower, or they're eating or whatever.

Yeah, I watched this baby film twice, and I was never sure what El Macho's plan was. Yeah. They weren't either. And it could have been just a fun fantasy sequence of seeing the purple minions destroy monuments around the world. Like, that's also, it would just be fun and funny. Yep. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Like, oh, now they're taking down the leaning Tower of Pisa, look at them go. Isn't that amusing? Like, that's, it's kind of something. But yes, the screaming doesn't really do anything to this one minion that's got the girls at home. And just when you think that these kids are cooked, here comes Dr. Nefario

and injects it with an antidote and it just turns back like, thank God this dude had this thing on hand. I don't know what the movie would have done without it. You can invent everything they need. I'll give them credit for at least having oh, the jelly comes back for plot purposes. They said

it up and it works for a plot. Yes. Yes. The shitty jelly that Neferio has made that they all said tasted like shit at the beginning of the movie. Now we're just going to use that jelly stock to put the antidote in it and then put that jelly antidote slash slime kind of thing into guns kind of like that second Ghostbusters movie where they've got the slime canister. That's what we're kind of doing here

with the jelly getting shot off and whatever. They cover all these purple minions with this jelly and they start turning yellow yeah and this so like that yeah that's like the whole thing right it's like nefario and the kids show up blasting with these you know so we're getting all these minions right and when you look at this the way that this looks

on screen you know it's like here we are we're shooting these things from above turn the purple things yellow like this is just straight up like an advertisement for a yet to be made minions mobile game that I'm sure someone either thought about putting out or maybe it actually fucking exists. But if you look at this whole sequence,

it is just the mechanics of like an Angry Birds kind of mobile game, take out the evil minions and help turn them back yellow again. Like you can just see the gears kind of turning. Oh, the possibilities for this are endless. Oh, I just hated that.

When you're in line for the minions ride, you see the ad for the minions mobile game. Yeah. It's like a it's one of the auto runner games. of a B they just paste Oh okay But yeah there should be just like Your kid endlessly taps the screen

To make purple minions yellow Like that that would be so easy And then it keeps asking you for a dollar If you Would like to continue mindlessly moving Your finger over this screen Add one more dollar into your account Buy oh you ran out of jelly

For the day Yep Oh a month supply of jelly packs only $25. Oh, it's on sale this week, you guys. Turn on the mobile fucking minions game and get the sale. You'd be crazy not to ask you. Yeah.

It was depressing in that line to also have an app sold to us while we were in the line for them. Like, we're already there. We're already spending tons of money at all times. But then also we're seeing like it's never enough. It's never enough. These things, I do like

these purple things running like a World War Z esk zombie horde like one on top of each other. The way that they animated them being all crazy and whatever was kind of cool. I had to double check that World War Z came out after this movie. I thought it was like I mean it was a book first but I thought

it was a World War Z movie reference. Yeah. So this is O Neferio big bullshit line right here where he's just like nobody messes with my family and I was like your fucking family now? Really dude? Like okay here's a character turned completely

unearned and confusing but we got to wrap it up and the movie can it has to be under a hundred minutes so neferio doesn't give a shit he doesn't like these people like he's nothing and also i thought i thought he was getting at the start of the movie like the literal poochy treatment of flying off screen and you never see him again same yeah i thought they were like well this character's dead weight we're writing him off and then when i was watching the first movie i thought who is this guy who's this old man is he the is he grew his dad in the back of my head i was like oh he might be but he's probably not and then this family line comes up. And I think they forgot he's not actually related to any of these characters. Right. See, he's doing the classic, and it's crazy because he's a British fella, but it's the classic America thing of like my workplace is my family, right? He's just fallen victim to that. So it's like, no, dude, you just work for Gru. He's not your family. These minions are just co-workers, man. You quit that job. Let it go. Though all, same with I, speaking of redundant things. We never talked about this whole time,

but like grew has a dog that they totally like invented to be like oh kids are going to love this dog no he gives his shit about that dog you shouldn't even bother with the dog in the second movie onward like it's the minions are the only cute that you have in this movie absolutely because also like the thing is disgusting it's just a ratty ass disgusting like might not even be entirely a dog like i don't really know i think it worked for grew because like it's the dog a cartoonish villain would have but like when i'm already dealing with all these minions like there's no contest this dog can't stand up to the cuteness of minions come on now i did like in the shootout section since they use jelly guns basically like he gets to headshot minions and have

red goo explode around them like yeah yeah that's for all the parents out there yeah finally this movie's doing what i've been dreaming of for two whole movies uh so you know el macho again also apparently bankrupt of any new ideas whatsoever because he's just doing the same shark rocket shit that he used to fake his own death but now grew and Lucy are tied to this

thing and off to the volcano it's going and this I mean my god the lamest sort of conclusion of anything like just all right we're going to get off this thing and now we're just going to fall off it into the water and that's yeah that's the end of that

we'll have a kiss in front of this giant explosion. And then I guess El Macho comes back and takes the Bain serum, it becomes this fat beast. Who is naked, by the way. That's also a huge rip. That's a huge rip off of the Batman Arkham video game. Like, that's how Joker, you fight Joker at the end of the game in the exact same way. I also believe a certain fellow, we once thought dead, but then took a serum and rose from the grave to deliver us from all of our sins.

that's right super shredder and Ninja Turtles 2's Secret of the Ouse it is a similar Jesus Yeah Shredder is my Jesus Eric that's actually That's right

I didn't tell you that He was poking the side by Leonardo By the lance of Leonardo Yeah But yeah He just kind of looks like an overweight grimace Like it's very weird I understand also

that's the second grimace reference I've made in this episode might be time for me to go to McDonald's I don't know what's going on this is built up to be the big bad fight he's instantly taken out by a fart gun yeah they to give Neferio a hero moment

of just like zap park out though also too I guess the other moment is DeGrew pulls out the lipstick thing and zaps him and at the very least even though like I think it's

it's average enough plotting. At least Lucy, Christo Wicke's like, oh, he did the thing I did. Like, just to let you know, the like, yeah, we know. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. The one gag here I did think was kind of funny was so, like, I guess also because we don't want to show like an animal going to this volcano, the shark has to fall off the rocket too. I do appreciate the, there's like a beachfront, like waterside sushi bar,

and like the shark falls right on top of the bar in front of all these diners. all kind of cheer. Reminded me of the video game, Dave the diver, by the way. A very cool game. Yeah, I was just getting into that game on PlayStation. It's really fun. Yeah. Yeah. You just you go around scuba diving, catching fish,

and then you serve the sushi restaurant a la like Tapper kind of functionality. Yeah, it's even a beach side restaurant like this one. Yeah, like an outdoor one. Yeah. But yeah, I do this huge shark just falling I thought was pretty funny there. but um yep it basically like his whole thing when they're on the rocket is also uh if i asked you out

on a date would you have said yes she says yes and he's like well in that case let's jump off this rocket so we can have that date it takes near death for him to get over his fear of asking any woman out on a date yes for fear that a you know 40 year old woman would also say that she caught grudies from him still still scarred by that playground fiasco but we get 147 dates later That is them going like we can't we can't waste any more time of their actual romance But they do need to be married she can't she can't become their mother Out of wedlock she they got to be married for her to officially become the mom of the girls right But also there's a courtship it's not like a oh they just turned around right there and got married no no no no

These two young responsible adults waded it out a hundred and forty seven dates they certainly know that they love of one another now and only now is it appropriate to get married complete with the minions doing an all for one parody right now that's extra wrong because they dress him as boys to men which I see is like

kind of a racist is a strong word to say but I would just say like there's something there is something to saying like boys to men all for one they're the same right you know what I would I would put out here dude it was a we animated this whole

thing, including, because you're totally right. They're dressed like boys to men in the fake video they're doing right here. And then it was a whatever label that Boys to Men is on was either like too much to narrow for that music licensing or a straight up no. And they were like, well, fuck, what's a cheaper R&B song from dudes that kind of sound like boys to men all for one, right there? Right there for you. This was Minion singing I'll make love to you.

Yes. Yes. Yeah, I think so. And by the way, yes, they had all those dates and now they're getting married, but they never kissed before, right? Because they don't know how to kiss because their noses are too big. There's all these problems with the geography of their faces. You're right.

After 147 dates, dude, you'd think that they would have figured that out, the mechanics of kissing one another. I do have to wonder what Gru's Dick might look like if that's his nose. Well. Dude's packing. I can tell you had a real case of, grue balls after all of those days. I'm sorry.

I do like that they are also the they are pronounced bride and grew. That's adorable. I'll give them credit that when they decided to do their all for one slash boys to men thing, it's two minutes. Like they do the whole like it's the full song in these which have have some fun

if you put on this movie again or the next despicable me you guys do. put on subtitles to see what they choose to put as real words and what they choose to put as Minion talk or Minionese. Oh, are they actually using minionese?

Sometimes it says speaking minion. And then other times, well, when they say words I recognize, like one of them, they cheers each other, but they do say Kampai, which is the Japanese version of it. But it does say that in the subtitles.

It says Kampai instead of minis. Oh, interesting. Oh, huh. Yeah, Eric, whenever we inevitably do the third one. I'm going to subtitle it, man. I want to see what's up. But yeah, so that's it. That's the wedding reception.

We got to do the YMCA. So here's all the minions again, dressed costume appropriate right here. Boys to men is only 20 years old when they did it. But the YMCA parody, that is 40. Like, it was 40 when they did it. It's 50 now. And it's like, it was a dated reference in the 90s and stuff. I do wonder if that was a Mike Reese punchup

because it was him who put the in the Navy joke in the Simpsons episode. Yeah, when I watched this and the second movie, I thought in kids movies for 30 years, a 70s music drop is always a punchline. It's been going on since at least the early to mid-90s. Oh, absolutely. I mean, there's one, not just,

well, this isn't a kids movie, but it's on my mind because I just rewatched it. They do a straight up, oh, we all happen to be in the same costume. James YMCA thing in Waynes World too because they're all they're all undercover like spying on Cassandra and they're all dressed up in different things and they accidentally

walk into the gay bar and they're they just do the entire number right there speaking of killing time. I appreciated the work to that in Waynes World 2 that they like it's built over like 10 minutes before them to finally reveal like all right they are dressed as the village people like

I know yeah this like it always contractually it must be a dance party at the end of a kids movie Every kid's movie, it has to end with it. He just did a Moulon podcast and I forgot it ends in a dance party too. Oh, does it really? Wow. Yeah. Yeah, like 15 years before this, they were doing that, right?

Yep. That's, God damn it. The dance party, it always has to happen. Oh, and you also get like three seconds of them saying like, oh, and Agnes is happy to have a mom now and she reads her Mother's Day speech. Oh, yes. yeah, that's a weird, I'm happier my mom now speech

at the wedding, very strange. Well, of course, now her family is complete that she finally has a mother as she should. And any child who's watching this that only has one parent should know it's wrong. That's right. Yeah, they're living a fucking incomplete, terrible life and they should know it. Thank you,

Despicable Me Too, for telling it like it is. Yeah, that's the end of this piece of shit. There's one last living purple one who comes up and roars at the camera and that's the end of it. I would wager in the third movie they've tamed this thing and befriended it in some way or another because that's generally how

these things work. Riding it, feeding it. Over the credits is what's technically a commercial for the Minions movie. It's the trio of minions in front of a sign that says the Minions movie audition like it's them calling a shot there. Absolutely. And you know what? Good for

them. What a fucking empire these people have built here. But that is going to do it for our discussion of Dispicable Me Too. We'll go around the horn here. Final thoughts and possible recommendations. We'll start with our guests here, Bob. I'm going to say absolutely not. The children are

wrong in this case. Our children's movies were better. There was more substance. I don't know what's going on here. I don't know why these things are so popular, but they are just the warmest slop I've witnessed in terms of this kind of entertainment. Also, question for the listeners. Does COVID make you better at podcasting?

Sound off in the comments. Henry, how you're doing? We did do a podcast last year about the Super Mario Bros. movie, which I think this despicable me too. I liked it more. Just because it didn't frustrate me as much as

at least they do update to 80 songs instead of 70 songs in the Mario movie. But yeah, no, I think this is, I also think the weird sexual politics of it bother me as well. I think they, yeah. yeah it's they've animated better as well in the in the future and uh i think i might watch despicable me for on an airplane just to see the superhero despicable are the minions become

superheroes in four including one that is straight up a rip off of the things uh rocky skin they just drew it on them it's yeah oh man uh yeah these movies perfect for for in flight uh entertainment or torture attainment you know they they band these things like the idea of the dance party they make that into an entire movie series in sing that's what illumination also does which that's just like a lot of funny animals only sang songs and it was just that the entire movie is that like so if you think they couldn't be more bankrupt creatively don't don't don't don't bet wrong there uh mr ciska where are we at oh lord i my god listen it's okay to like a movie i know this is a

a force of nature with people. I will say I liked it better than the first one, but it is, it's rough stuff. I mean, we said everything. Threads don't, threads aren't completed.

It's just, it's a, it's a goddamn mess. Sorry, got heated with that. No, I agree with everything all of you said. I will just note,

again, I do think the animation is nice, not so much like some of the character design specifically, but like I do like this animation I think it just I keep wanting to say it looks like clean and smooth which is both wrong and like has a negative connotation

for animation IMO but there's just there's something about I just like it's very polished it's nice looking it doesn't feel artificial in some ways that makes no sense I know but in my head it kind of does I don't know there's something about this that I guess I just can't put words to it but something

about this animation style works okay for me I guess I should check out other illumination movies, see if there's anything worth a good goddamn. Maybe migration. I'll give that one to try. I've mentioned that one at least six times on this episode. So maybe I'll give that a world.

But that's going to do it for this episode. Bob and Henry, thank you guys so much for popping on. It's always awesome talking movies with you. For folks who are unfamiliar with what you guys greatly do week in and week out, tell the listeners what's up. Oh, sure.

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total resource for not just good discussions, but like production history and nuggets and shit. You guys always do such a great job with that. thanks bob thank you you know thanks for bringing some of that here is the lord knows we need it i think bob's in the middle of reading uh like pocahontas book right now like on the real history the true story oh you must be 18 wow if you want more we hate movies of course we also have a patreon patreon dot com slash we hate movies where uh if you are a subscriber at the eight dollar level or up you are listening to this very episode ad free so if you're not and you got beef with

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We just finished the entirety of the original series. So if that's interesting to you, tune into that. That's right. And as always here on Tuesdays, the show continues next week. we hate movies will be back and better than ever we're talking alien resurrection uh i do believe so get ready for that the i think still to this day shittiest alien movie uh and i'm including them fucking predator crossovers and that's up i think this movie is terrible i haven't yeah maybe i was just gonna say i haven't seen it in probably the better part of two decades so

maybe my tune will change i think there's some charm to it the little the monster at the end is cute. I'm excited to re-evaluate you know, test how French it feels compared to Despicable Me Too, which feels more directed by a Frenchman. Yes. By the way, Steve and Chris were giving them the antidote. They won't be

purple minions. That's where they are right now. That's right. And they'll be back next week. Shooting jelly in their mouths in a cage. Yeah. That's right. Their genitals will not grow back. No. They're in Cloaca Town right now.

Certainly. So until next week, we're talking Alien Resurrection. I've been Andrew Jupin. Eric Sisko. Bob Mackie and Henry Gilbert. Take it easy. Thank you.