We Hate Movies - S14 Ep751: X-Men (with Jamelle Bouie)

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

“They always have to act like they’ve been through a civil rights march for nudity” - Chris on creepy movie guys On this week’s episode, the Summer Blockbuster Extravaganza goes to Comic Book Town as we welcome back our good bud, New York Times columnist, Jamelle Bouie to chat about a real landmark motion picture, 2000’s X-Men! How fantastic is it that the movie creates this entire world of mutants and what the state of things are and still runs under two hours? Has there been a better cast pairing than Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen? Why did they need to include D-level mutant, Toad? Is Xavier charging these students for all that school merch? What’s up with the X-Men refusing to install railings in the Cerebro chamber? And isn't it wild how great can these movies be when the creators have respect for the intelligence of the audience? PLUS: Eric Szyszka? Turned into a mutant thanks to Magneto’s Magic Mutant Machine! X-Men stars Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hugh Jackman, Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Halle Berry, Anna Paquin, Tyler Mane, Ray Park, Rebecca Romijn, and Bruce Davison as Senator Kelly; directed by noted sack of crap, Bryan Singer. Did you miss our LIVE BROADCAST last week where we were chatting all about action masterpiece, Speed? No worries! The replay window is still WIDE OPEN! Head over to our Moment page now and pick up them tix today! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies merch-related needs! Including new Bus Movie, SHEENPRIL, Night Vision & Too Old For This Shit designs!   Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

This week on the program, if you think this is the one that started at all, well, you forgot about Blade. It's X-Men. I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen Sadek. Chris Kavan. Jamel Bowie. And we hate movies. We're the future, Charles, not them. Hello, everyone, welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, that's right.

We're finally getting around to one of the big ones here from 2000, X-Men, directed by noted scumbag, Brian Singer. We got that out of the way. Yes, sir. And I'm excited, welcoming back into a studio that's not ours. We're here recording the audio boom studio. Our good bud, Mr. Jamal Bowie, back in action. Thank you for having me. Very excited to talk about this movie.

On my way over here, I listened to, I was trying to get myself into the 2000 mindsets. I listened to some limbiscuits and break stuff. I was listening to break stuff, too. I'm not kidding. I am not kidding. Listen to some creed, listening to some nickelback, you know, really getting my head in the game for what is the nadir of American popular culture this movie notwithstanding.

Yeah, true. It was a rough time. And, you know, I know we got a lot of young listeners, you know, that are like, oh, I was fucking born after the towers went down and whatever. Let me tell you, like, it was a bad time to be in your late teens, you know, such as we were-ish around this time. Bad jeans. I think the jeans, I want to harp on the jeans for a second because the genes are coming back.

The jeans are back, yes. Listen, we looked stupid 25 years ago. You look stupid now. Me and my wife had a nice restaurant a couple of weeks ago. And, you know, downtown, like, beautiful actress, model waitress is serving us. In that order? Whatever. But she's wearing jinko jeans.

And it's just like, honest to goodness jinkos, like enormous jeans. She pulled the bottle of wine out of her cuff or what was going on? I was like, I'm spending a lot of money here. But I get it because, like, we're all now, like, searching for that sincerity in earnest. We were talking about ID4 and how earnest that movie is. Right. I think going back to that time has been consistently a search for that kind of earnest. And this is a very earnest movie itself.

And it's amazing to me because I think about this all the time. How did this? This must have been the first one they decided we're not going to have the superstar soundtrack with it. Yeah. We're not going to get a bunch of, like, Because are you going to get Limp Biscuit to do, like, a mystique song? Yeah, well, you know. Limp mystic.

Limp mystic. Well, see, you can't criticize it and then come up with a good idea. Lip Miscuit! I think, you're right. And I mean, I think that, like, this movie got lucky in two ways. One, the seriousness was, like, just an idea that, like, hey, let's try this. And, two, I do think because all of the, the Schumacher's flamed out. so horribly that they were, this movie is cheap.

So the cheapness actually helped this movie quite a bit. It's like, we can't do all this stuff. We can't, like they wanted to have Beast and Nightcrawler in this movie. They probably would have looked awful. They wanted to have a danger room sequence that would have looked terrible. Like, again, so you strip all that out and then you focus on like the dynamics of X-Men, which is like the all of the persecution stuff and all of the being a teen stuff and all the being gay stuff and all of those allegories. you push that to the forefront

and then you have a kind of silly mutant machine which is just sort of what it is. Hey, I think the mutant machine is a great the big what like cum cloud. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, that thing is getting all over the harbor. No fishing.

I do like at the end when it's like, oh no. I made it myself. Oh, no. I like with all the world leaders are like, oh no, that cum cloud is coming right for us. And then it stops three inches from their face. It's like, oh, no, we're good. That's fine.

Like there's no residual. radiation when it's right in front of you? No, nothing. And the thing I love about that is there's some dude from the UN who's like the sequence starts and he's making a speech and then a huge long action scene happens and then the come clouds are coming and this dude is still making

the speech and he kind of turns and is just like what is that? And I was like this guy's still talking? If I was attending this gala I'd be so furious. It's got to be like a fireworks thing, right? We're going to have a celebration here, aren't we? Here we go. I'm just from the president's like I mean, it can't be...

I mean, it would be Clinton, but I have to mention it's like a Reagan who's like, Mommy, what's happening? Watch that big cloud over there. Oh, right. That's going to do what I've done to you so many times. Oh, no. We should say Eric is not here.

He was so excited about this movie. He wanted to become a mutant. So I made a mutant machine. Nice. I don't know. He was looking really sweaty. And he kind of just started walking towards the harbor before we started recording.

I hope he's okay. I hope he's fine, too. But I was like, can I see through that dude's back. I told you, I don't think it's a good idea to make a mutant machine out of an air fryer. I just don't think that's a good place to start. What's everybody's

history with this movie? Are we talking in theaters Jamel? Yeah, I mean, I was 13 when this movie came out and saw it in theaters with my friends, a bunch of whom dressed up as various X-Men. Oh, you refused the costume invitation, though? I mean, I've just, I never, I've never been a costume

guy, so I just, you know, I just went. but um i remember just being absolutely blown away with this movie in theaters it was sort of like everything a 13 year old could have asked for oh yeah yeah this i'm i was way into this movie i remember i'll always remember like it's funny because i had made a friend it was my freshman year of high school so i was like maybe 1415 and uh and my buddy mike who i just met it was his birthday the day x-men came out so now i'll always remember this like i'll forget my mother's birthday and I'm like, well, Mike's birthday is on July 14th, because it's when X-Men came. The date.

The date. Yeah, that's amazing. It's actually a very important movie for me in a way because this was the last movie that I went and saw before I applied to work at the multiplex, thus changing, like, the course of my life forever. So this was the last movie that, like, I paid for before, like, being in the business. I got an application to work at the movie theater, like, while I was buying the ticket for X-Men, and then got hired, like, the next two.

Tuesday came in that Thursday and was a popcorn jockey from then on. I remember that. I saw it with our friend Mike. And I remember being in the theater and really enjoying myself, except for he was, I mean, we all were, but he was especially horny. So whenever Mystique came on, like, you would get a, oh, man. For the blue alien, but Hallie Barry's looking better than she's ever looked. Like, I mean, she doesn't have her tits out the way that Mystique does. I'm sorry.

Well, it is Cleve Town for Aurora Monroe in this movie. Yes, indeed. But that is my memory. It's just some guy next to me like, oh, man. And like me being like, oh, good mutant movie. That was like when I was seeing Oppenheimer and Florence Pugh is naked there. And this dude next to me, two fists just in the air silently just like a boom. Come on.

You're a growing up. You've seen a naked woman before. Yep. They always have to act. Like, they've been like, they've been through like a civil rights march for nudity. they've been like I've been waiting for so many years for Florence Pugh to show me her tits and finally it's happened since the release of fighting with my family or that wrestling movie I don't know about that that's that's dangerous territory there fighting with my step family excuse me there you go yes it does much better no I mean and Luisa yeah Brian Singer is a world-class piece of shit and which is a real fucking bummer man because he's made these X-men movies which mean a lot to me I for a very long time my favorite movie was the usual suspect

It's like, let me just throw this all in the garbage because you're a sexual predator. Awesome, dude. Thanks for fucking nothing. I am also pissed off because now I have to retire all my stories of all my gay friends trying to get picked up by Brian Singer and the city. Oh, man. Clint's in my old roommate. You remember he was one of them. We actually saw X2 with that dude.

Yes, we did. We got drunk in a parking lot in Westchester. And the one thing I will say is I definitely did not respond as positively to this as I did to when the Phoenix thing happens. I remember the whole row just like. As I stated in a second ago, we're all intoxicists. I mean, but yeah, that was quite a moment. I mean, this movie, it just, I really, it kind of holds up, honestly. But Jamel, how do you feel about it?

I think it holds up very well. I think especially the first act, I'd say the first, like, half hour is great, like, genuinely great. It's, I think, an incredibly bold choice to open with the Holocaust. I mean I guess it opens with Patrick Stewart's mutations I can't do with Patrick Stewart But it opens with a voiceover But then they go immediately to You know what what is supposed to be Auschwitz

Right that's where Eric Lentcher is And then it goes from there to Rokes home which that's a great sequence It's a great that's really good And both are hitting the emotion By one I mean like Auschwitz is like the emotion out of the ass Obviously like you're not just emotion but just so much weight on that and then you go

to this thing that you make it much more you're de-heightening but at the same time you're sort of heightening because it's like now it's this girl it's really intimate it's about sex it's about like you know what I mean like you're trying to show yourself to somebody and it turns out horrifically you know what I mean it's awful you don't understand there for until she

says it later how like the first time I kissed the boy he was going to come over for three weeks it's such an important moment for you like as a teen or whatever and like that's the the result of it fuck that's some heavy stuff for your superhero movie But as, I mean, you just know, like, his friends are hearing about that, and he, and they're like, couldn't handle a baddie. I don't know.

I could have handled it. I think I could have gotten it. If I'm the guy, the take I'm given to my friends, like, look, listen, I know I was, I came so hard. Yep. That's right. I saw white and then the next thing I knew three weeks at bad, okay? It was incredible. And then, Magnetia is in the corner.

I've got an idea. I wanted to say But Anna Pacquine is so good Her reaction to what's happened to her Is so powerful And so it's sort of like it's that It's her and then it's Logan In sort of like 15 minutes

Which is some real economy Oh big time Storytelling But then sort of like As soon as you get to the Logan's fight I'm like locked in I'm like this movie I think I texted you Steve

I was like this movie fucks It does Absolutely Because, like, I clocked it's a half hour when you get exactly 30 minutes, you get to the Senator Kelly scene where he's about to be abducted by Mystique. That's when, like, the story kind of kicks in and the movie starts to get a little shakier. But before that is, is all the stuff we just talked about and that incredible, which I still think most movies should watch and use for a big reveal, the Xavier speech about, we are muted, welcome to my school, look at this, look at that. And, like, you get all this fucking information really quickly and really dynamically. It's quick.

And it's also, it doesn't feel phony bologna because you have a dude like Patrick Stewart who's selling it. And, like, the start of this movie, you see it. It's all learning through the eyes of Wolverine, which is pretty cool. So, like, yeah, he's just getting a tour of the campus. And it doesn't come off as the cheap sort of exposition dump that it is. Yeah. But, like, it is masterfully disguised with Patrick's. I'll let that dude fucking show me around anywhere.

It's sort of it reminds me. I mean, it's not that kind of thing, but it's in the category of great exposition dumps, like Donald Sutherland's dump in JFK. Yes, yeah. We're just sort of like, I mean, what's happening on screen is Donald Sutherland talking to you for 10 minutes? But, like, you're just riveted the entire time. You're like, this guy has so much gravitas that I can, I'm willing to let him just, like, go. And all the quick cuts and stuff. And I mean, like, the, I always thought that the, the Star Wars prequels needed this scene.

I want someone to take me inside of a Jedi Temple, welcome to the actual Jedi Temple. This is what we believe. This is how you become a Jedi. This is what an actual Jedi. A little Scorsese cameras, camera movement. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. I'm going to get the Sabah, get the Sabah.

I just think that, because it's such an effective way to plant your ass in a world. And I'm like, I know exactly what mutants are. I know exactly what these mutants believes. And that's good. And it's amazing that this is all. You establish a world, an entire world with good, mutants and bad mutants, the politics of it all, the history of it all. And the movie is under two hours. Holy smokes. You know, that's stunning to me. Because we're not explaining

all the characters. We're not getting their entire origin story. You meet Wolverine. You get who Wolverine is. You don't have to be explained, actually, he's from here. He's actually an immortal right off the bat. Just so you were wondering, they can have surprises. Like, oh, my God, he survived this car wreck. So that I do, the one thing that always makes me laugh about this movie, though, is the fact that the opening does look like a mashup between Star Trek to the next generation

and Fight Club. It's the Fight Club opening. The Fight Club openings. With the, like, hearing his voice, I'm like, oh, I'm just back on the... Because the Fight Club stuff kind of looks like DNA strands. Yes, sort of. Right? Well, Logan, you met me at a very peculiar time in my life. Oh, the Pixies are

playing. Let's burn down the credit card company. Oh, yes. To talk about Projects through and Ian McClellan, quick. Another thing this movie does extremely well is, I mean, those two guys who seem to have been like bred in a lab to play Professor X and Magneto, their first scene together is a scene where Professor X is

watching Senator Kelly, you know, going to tirade against mutants. And they have that great exchange in the hallway. And it's sort of like, in that few minutes, you kind of, they have a relationship. Yes. They are close, right? These are not two people who are strangers. They're close in this distance, but they care for each other more or another.

And the line that's seen closures with, with Magneto saying, I'll bring you hope, Charles. Yes. The only thing I ask of you is to not stand in my way. It's like a great, like this is a villain. This is obviously the antagonist of the film, but this is a guy who actually might have a point. Yeah.

And it's because you watch it. And again, like, you've watched him go through Auschwitz. So like, my heart's on the guy's side. Sorry, you know what I mean? like to start but I mean like it's so interesting that they are so good together it's probably one of the most iconic pairings casting wise that you can get they're just so they're they're perfect together I don't know what comes close maybe it's something in the lord of the rings casting somewhere not just because mckellan's in that that's I would go for

just Ian McKellen as him I mean as Gandolph but like as a pair it's such a natural you know like yeah I think like bread in the lab playing the fucking long game was 20th century fox these two actors that they engineered before the characters were even created. Yes. Because they just knew this is going to be that perfect. It blew out the speakers. I love both James McVoy and Fosbender.

It's not even a comparison. It's not even close. They're fun together, but no, it's not the same thing. It's a good but different, but not quite excellent. Which I will say, I think that's a reason to not throw this movie in the garbage because of Brian Singer's fucking crimes. Is the cast is so good.

Like, literally, like, it's rude to say to all these people like, work is garbage because this guy's a piece of shit. Like, I'm sorry, like, they're, uh, what do you call there? They're so good. I do love that scene. So it's, it's a hearing or something. And Gene Gray is talking and, you know,

Senator Kelly, the great Bruce Davis as being a real piece of shit. And then we cut to, they're at this airport. I don't know what, this area that this hallway is in with all these exes. Yeah, this isn't Congress. I've been in the Senate building enough. That's not

Congress. I don't know where they are. Like the room that she's making the address in or whatever, that looks like the room to recall a more recent Marvel movie when, and speaking of Patrick Stewart, when they're in, what the hell is it called in Dr. Strange? The Illuminati, I think. Yeah, the Illuminati's, like, office that, like, he goes to or whatever and, like, Patrick Stewart wheels out in the yellow wheelchair and that.

It kind of looks closer to that than, like, the halls of U.S. government. Just some future nether space kind of thing. It's very weird looking. It looks like the outside of, like, a moose. movie theater in an aquarium. I just don't know what the, I guess because they want that curvature when he's leaving

and they want to see him leave that way. I guess I kind of see it, but yeah, I was the whole time, I also think Gene Gray is blowing it. I think, like, she did not come prepared for this because, like, Bruce Davidson is the biggest idiot in the world, and we're supposed to hate him with all of our guts

when we see him. And, I mean, as we go on, there's more scenes where we hate him even more. But, like, he says, like, well, are mutants dangerous? I'm like, well, the obvious answer

is that are humans dangerous? Well, she sort of tries that a little bit with like the whole mutant

registration thing, right? With cars and like stuff like that but like you don't have you don't have to be licensed to be a human. Like there's a very easy

back to this and I just don't think I think she was caught off guard. Yeah, I think that whomever was preparing Gene Gray for this great debate Cyclops.

Didn't do a fantastic job. They had weeks and they, why did they schedule this mutant debate in June? What the fuck? It's crazy. She was really sleepy up there. and really low

energy. I was going to say, I feel like it's one missed opportunity is that Bruce Davidson, who's from Philadelphia or from Pennsylvania, he should have put it on a southern accent. For the kind of role he's playing, he needs to be like, you know, well, Miss Gray.

Absolutely. I want to hear him say succotash. If this isn't a handkerchief, well, it's very hot in this auditorium, Ms. Gray. And it appears to be that there are mutants that can make us this hot as well. Are you raising the temperature? here, Ms. Gray? I say, I say the only way I'd want to become a mutant

if it's a mutant power, I'm not sweating so much in this year hallowed halls of Congress. Not only is there a paromaniac mutant. There is his opposite. An isomanian. Better name. But I do love Davidson in this movie.

He's got that great line in the helicopter. He's like, all these means, like that gene. The way he says, like the gene gray, It's the most racist way to say that. As someone who has been called a slur before, he says it like a slagher. He does it. Gene Gray.

It's like 60% spit coming out of your mouth. Yep. Absolutely. But yeah, so yeah, Xavier and we meet, you know, we meet Magidio and Xavier. They have this great moment in the hallway. And then, yes, we rogue, who we haven't seen in a bit since she made that boy go away. we're welcome to Loughlin City that the Wolverine Pitcage

fight. Now did you notice here I got to look up the name I'm going to fight it up. George Busba? Yeah all right Thank you. Well go ahead now that you have the name in your mouth. No, he's the guy who drops her off is the guy who does the beast voice in the animated series. Oh, okay. Welcome to Lachlan City. Yeah, I thought you were taking me to Loughlin.

This is Loughlin. Yeah. He's gottock. Whatever. Lucas gargling Lachshma of this truck driver character had. They even set it up, like, you know, in her cute scene with a boyfriend. She's like, and we'll go up through Canada and we'll go here, we'll go there. And I'm like, who wants, like, what's your romantic idea to go to, like, ass, ice Canada? Yeah, just road trip, you know, to literally nowhere, Canada.

I mean, I guess you were trying to get off the map, but like. See the Northern Lights, maybe? The way that she's explaining it, though, is like, we're going to get up here and have some great life. And maybe we'll rob banks along the way. Like, I don't know what this trip is supposed to be. Oh, I bet I could get late. Yeah, let's do it. Oh, yeah.

Let's go all around the year. United States of America, babe. Let's get it. Let's kiss. Pretty impressed with the... He probably woke up three weeks later. At least I don't have to go to Laughlin, Canada. That would have sucked.

Totally worth getting out of this. And here's your wheelchair, David. It's still worth it. Fuck Laughlin City. I do love that they set it up so easily this, like, life that Wolverine has now. He's in this, he's in the pen. Cage fighting. He's cage fighting.

and the guy like the guy taking the guy aside and being like don't hit him in the nuts it's like oh I thought there was no rules he doesn't like it just he doesn't like it just it's gonna piss him off what I love

about that right that establishes history so fast right someone has kicked him in the balls before and it was problematic for that person well yeah after after you get hit by like a titanium truck across your jaw yeah we got this classic fucking mountain folk hillbilly

garbage thing on this a tip jar tipping it's not a city in China oh yeah we get that we're gonna get back there eventually I think with those I'm sure it's in bars

all across this great nation but also I mean like and you think about like the rainy movies are great the Remy Spider-Man movies are great you think about that cage fighting sequence versus this cage fighting sequence

totally different animals you know what I mean like it is you could feel oh one's a Wolverine and one's a spider exactly I had to make an Eric joke sorry Well, he, no, he has telepathic powers.

He gave that to you. Oh, that's right. But, like, one is you get like that, you can smell the stale beer here. Like, are you going to let this man take your? Macho man, Randy Savage, has no business in this frame. You know what I mean? Like, he'd be laughed right out of the bar. No, it's the place where you buy the worst chili you've ever had.

Mm-hmm. Mostly grease. Mm-hmm. I like this bartender notices, like, rogue eyeing the tip jar, like, totally gets the whole like you know hitchhiker kind of hard up for cash kind of a thing they start like i do love after the fight and everything like yeah wolverine like kicks the shit out of this dude or whatever wins the pot for the night and he's sitting at the bar and she's still at the bar closing hours kind of thing and they like right from the jump in this x-men movie we're doing the things that x-men

movies should always do and i think it's great they're doing the thing where it's like there's the news report on the television talking about mutants and senator to kelly and yada yada yada the two of them are giving the look of like we're the same thing right it is it's that same that we talked about through a lot of like X-Men 97 like using these characters you know as

these great fucking allegories for other stories and it's right here it's that like you're with me right yeah we're kind of the same part yeah if shit goes wrong we're gonna be together on this one I guess so yeah and it's all through like eyeballs there's no like so how'd you get it's none of that it's like they know right away like she's a mutant

he's a mutant got it First things first. Can I throw you as a weapon? Either way. Can you do it to me or can I do it to you? And, you know, yeah, this guy starts some trouble with Wolverine. He's like, I know what you are, freak. No one can withstand a beating like that, not have a marked a show for it.

And then here comes the claws. And the claws look great. They look at the first shot of the claws. It's clearly like a prosthetic or something. And they look, yeah, they look terrific. And I mean, this, I mean, I guess we'll talk about it a bit later. but this gets actually one of my favorite scenes in the movie when Rogue does ask

Wolverine like does it hurt and he very quietly is like every time which is like a great delivery and sort of like a nice like quiet this movie has like quiet moments between characters in a way that's sort of like its modern descendants do not right yes there's so much implied stuff

and I mean Anna Pacquin had won an Oscar at this point you know what I mean like they didn't go they didn't go slumming it for actors you know what I mean like they they didn't get superstars but that actually, again, makes this so much more... When you see her, she's just wrote. You know what I mean? You haven't seen it before.

This guy was a fucking... I don't know what you, Jackman was doing. Broadway. Dude, he's a theater actor. And that's the thing is, there's always that joke. It's almost not a joke where like, can you believe Wolverine's a song and dance? Of course he is. Look how big this performance is.

It's all like, he's always playing it for the back row of just like the way he's sitting down. And I mean, I don't mean that it, uh, disparagingly. It's a really big performance because it needs it, but even when it's quiet, it's big. I kind of feel like they massacred my boy here because what this movie gets at, and I think X2 also gets at, something that the cartoons are very focused on, is the warmth of Wolverine. That's not something that, and as we've gone on, of course, everybody's like, don't we want him to be brutal. We want him to cut his head off. I like Logan as much as the next person.

But like what I miss is this, the friendliness he's able to get. without diluting the toughness. And he never does that in either of these movies. Yeah, no, it's there. He's way more of like a, oh, sort of a well-rounded character here. You get all these, like, surprises you wouldn't think you would get. I mean, honestly, like, when I saw this portrayal of it,

I was like, this is, like, different but interesting because this wasn't, like, the cartoon character. So I was, that was, you know, the only thing. Like, I sort of read X-Men comics, but not really. So, like, this was my first thing beyond the cartoon. And I just remember being like, this isn't, this feels more like a person than just like the, this guy would never be friends with Ryan Rattel. I won't believe it. We'll find out.

But I do love, I mean, all of their scenes are the most important scenes. Rogue and Wolverine are the most important scenes of the movie. Like this one, you know, he leans over to show how to put the heat on. And it's like, hey, don't fucking rape me, dude. And it's like, I'm not, I'm not trying to do that. He calls her kid very clearly. Like, hey, man, I'm not into that thing. And she's like, no, when people touch me, they get hurt.

He just says, fair enough, I, e, I know you're a mutant and that's your thing, totally got it. You know what I mean? Like, there is, you know, it's a horrific car accident that happens right here, but I love that they're able to mind comedy out of it. It's very funny. Right? This is just like, you should really be wearing a seatbelt, y'all. And he's like, shut the fuck.

Yeah, it's all right into this tree, goes straight out that windshield. The way that they do, like the body sliding on the sun. snow and stopping as it does primo work of stunt you can't like you can't make that with the like it doesn't have the same charm in digital like that that timing is so perfect

in that I do have to ask Steve how angry were you that a stowaway showed up this early I know you have problems and I didn't want to it's you know what Wolverine should kill her because you should do it all stowaways but it would ruin the movie so sure I understand that also round the horn what do we think

about Tyler Maine is Sabretooth I'm, I kind of like it a lot. I was struggling to remember his name the entire time. I was like, what's this guy? Is it, is it, is it, is it, you know, Trevor, Trevor Fur? Like, what's that guy's name? No, Trevor Fur is in the X-Men board. Is it an X, X, X, X, X, X, X, man.

Exactly. Is he Ray Park? No, it can't, no, that's to, never mind. He, uh, yeah, you know, it is your classic. It's an ex-wrestler doing a thing. He's got very few lines, which is very smart. He's very smart. He's very smart.

Because if I remember the Sabretooth from the cartoon, a lot of talking from that guy. He's a real chatterbox. Isn't he like Australian or something? Not, no. Am I imagining that? I think you're imagining that. Oh, are you thinking of the, what is it the previous to the 92 cartoon? Oh, the Children of the Adam, Wolverine.

Yes, he's Australian in that. Yeah, I was reading about that. Apparently they were like, oh, Australia was big back then with Mad Max and Crocodile. Let's make Wolverine Australia Aussie favorite dude This country had it But I do like I mean like he looks good

They give him a lion roar It's kind of great You know I like that lion roar I like his He's got like contacts in His eyes are like shark like Which is pretty cool

They did a good job with it And yeah it's like He's used sparingly I do like that he's Throughout the movie He's constantly failing Magneto And it's very funny I do love

You know when Magneto later in the movie Jails him for, you know, letting Bruce Davis an escape or whatever. And he just gives that roar because he's locked away in a fucking cell.

It's great. As a wrestler, I do, I kind of wish that we got a few, maybe just one more big fight between them. Yes. That was the one thing I was missing. But I do like him this size.

Because on paper, if Schreiber as, as Sabretooth is a great idea. Yeah. In practice, it was a nightmare. It was just like watching it. I'm like, why?

No, he's got to be more of a beast. Like he can't just be like talking yammering at you. He was like cute and stuff. It was kind of a half a wolfman. It was just bad. I have not seen that movie in the long time, but I do remember,

leave Shriver having less of like, aren't I a stinker faces? Yes. Yeah. Which it's very unfortunate because like that dude is a towering figure. I saw that guy at a bar before last Christmas just one of the hugest dudes.

And I was like how the saber-toothness of it all was right there. That movie fucking botched that. They missed it. Yeah, Cyclops and Storm come to save the day. I do love the piecemeal introduction of all these characters and like just getting them a little bit. And just like the, you know, it's not like a step back saber and tooth. You know, they just like they get in there.

They fucking handle the shit. You get to see them use their powers. And for the most part, they understand like there's people in this movie in this movie theater, you know, that will know who these characters are. So not every single time do we have to have. an explanation before the power usage or whatever. Exactly. Well, I'm Cyclops, and my power comes from the punch dimension. That one for you, Stephen.

Thank you. Well, actually, yeah, since I fell out of that helic, that biplane, I can't use my powers to, I need these ruby quartz to stop my blast. No, we don't need any of that. No, no, no, no. It's just a fucking visor that you have on and we're never going to acknowledge its technology. And or Oakley sunglasses. These are cool, Oakley sunglasses.

shit yeah that's right i forgot about those those are unfortunate um i do like i always think james marson was done dirty in this movie oh yeah yeah i i watching it now just like i have like x-men 97 in my head where like psychops really is sort of like a starring character of that series hell yeah and it's sort of like master tactician like they really get to big glow up in that series and here like james marston yeah he's treated like shit wolverine like hates him for no particular reason like he goes to shake his hand in the professor's office wolverine's like yeah Yeah, my face. That's even

White boy. That's even before he's aware of the fact that like this lady that he's, you know, got the hots for is with this dude. So he's just, Wolverine is a dickhead like from the jump. He's like, oh, Mr. Iron shirt.

I'm like, I don't know, dude. I'm sorry I didn't sleep with the gutter last night. Well, well, well, Mr. took a shower before you came downstairs today. Oh, saved my life. Get fucked. Get out of there. I mean, the fact that they do what they do

to that character in X-Men the last stand that is just brutal disrespect. Oh yeah, he gets, he gets vaporized by Phoenix, yeah, just fucking completely turned to ashes. I will tell you the, I mean, as X-Men 97 has taught us, if you can crack, I know they're

going to do another one of these. I just, they can't help themselves, it's got to happen. What, the, this is how you fix it, is make those fights with Cyclops exciting like it is in 97. Stuff like that is, I mean, we're, we're just talking about, with Brandon Strisning a couple of months ago

about like fight choreography and how fights are really big now and if you can do that right you can get a lot of press and a lot of marketing and a lot of attention on your movie just by making a good fight there's that movie killed

that just came out oh yeah that's riding completely on the fights is that the train one yes I can't wait to see that fucking movie it's something holy hell but yeah like I think about this all like him just being the like dutiful husband and the square

And, like, that works if you also show that he's badass. But, like, if you just are like, no, he just, like, in a pinch, he'll do. Like, that's not good enough. If you need him to, at the last second, shoot Magneto in the back, he'll be there to do that. Listen, no one's going to ask Scott to go toe to toe and saber tooth. But if you need someone to pick up some tampons for you. Look, you can always ask Scott. Scott suffers will go to the market.

Who do you want at your grandmother's funeral? Wolverine or Scott? Because Scott, Wolverine's not going to buy flowers. Wolverine doesn't know where to get flowers. They're about flowers. They're going to die anyway, Bob. One of them's going to be sober, the other not. Another funeral I got to go to.

I know, we all know your dark fucking past. My family's in mourning. By the way, Chris Kevin, ain't nothing wrong with being drunk in a funeral. Open bar at this thing or what? Hi, grandma. He wakes up in the expansion. Gene Gray is doing some tests on him he kind of grabs her

it's kind of amazing how this is 24 years ago which is kind of shocking but you Jackman sexy man good looking dude he's in normal human man shape yeah yeah like he's a guy that goes to the gym that's cool he's like James Kahn in like 1980 yes exactly

sort of like you know obvious a big a built guy but not like vainy cut out of marble like this unimpossible physique that is just sort of like for who even you know what i mean like i mean like thor or whatever i kind of get it like you want to be thor but like not all these characters it has to be character appropriate and may i remind everyone in the studio and at home we bring this up a lot jjona jameson himself getting uh not jk k k simmons jimms jac jac jimms jacking out for that zack slander stuff and he was on screen for 40 seconds

he never took his shirt off is he getting a bench press like brainiac or something like that would make more sense if you're going to have him in there doing that shit. It's just sort of a thing now it's become its own like fraternity and competition of just sort of like oh well if you're you know if you get into this fraternity of superhero movies well how much how much you bench how big you're going to get

what's your remarkable transformation? Where do you prefer the HG8? I'm I'm an ass guy myself I mean this is a cynical way of looking at but like how are you going to get more marketing out there? Get these articles in men's health. Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah.

This was Hugh Jackman's exercise routine to get back into what you know there's fucking 25 of those articles right. Poor Kamanjani, who has like laser powers in that movie is jacked out of his skull and it's like, okay, which guy? Kumal and Johnny. Oh, God, yes. From the journals. That dude didn't need to be jacked at all.

Even, I mean, what you would call it? I like Chris Pratt and as Star Lord. That kind of has been jacked. That's another one that's better because Star Lord, that's a fucking Doritos eater right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Paul Rudd got jacked for Antman. It's like, what are we doing here? Why?

I just watched Rambo 3. Oh, nice. I just rewatched it. Dedicated to the, what is it, the fighting patriots of the Mujah Haddian? So it's funny. Apparently, that's not, apparently that it was never in that movie. That, that, it was always dedicated to the valiant fighters of the valent Afghan people. Yes.

But, like, it never actually said the brave soldiers of the Mujah. Oh, it doesn't? It was a computer, it was like on Twitter or something. Somebody put the, they did it. Now, of course. That's much funny. Yes. Yeah,

I'd prefer the funnier version. But, like, you know, Stallone in that movie is like, like, glistening, roided out. I mean, it's like, it's kind of disturbing.

Yes. It's bad. But that's just become like the template now for people in these movies. He's the dude that tried to top himself, though, man. You remember that Rambo 2008? Oh.

He, that looks like some... He looks like a fucking golem. He looks like a fucking golem. Dude, yeah. Like, put a little fucking piece of paper in that dude's mouth and make a wish. Welcome to the Mutant Brotherhood, Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, he's fucking bad time, John Rambo joined up with the Mutant Brotherhood, man.

Sid here to go to his big cum cloud. Now look how Jack there. Christ, Magnita. I'm fucking bigger than 70% of the people here. No, I do have a power, actually, when I talk, I confuse people. My other power is I like to blow a, blow apart Cambodians. Dude, the glee with which he's using that machine gun at the end of that movie. I watched that movie for the first time.

was on a plane from like San Francisco and I was like I haven't seen Rambo 2000 I only put that on I'm watching it first first poor Cambodian gets their head blown off this old this old this like 80 year old woman that's he next week is clearly watching and looks just like what what degenerate am I sitting across from it's a it's a it's a it's a Cambodian horror movie that movie is now but here's the real question though did you complete the screening of the movie of course That's not we're talking. You dig in. That's grandma's problem.

I love he sees the X-Men leather suits, but right next to it, there's a little cabinet with Xavier merchandise, which has this hooded sweatshoping. Oh, yeah, he's got the hoodie for the school in it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's $35 a unit. All right, yes, you're, oh, yes, you're a poor runaway. That's sad. Well, the books are going to run you, 149. The sweatshirt's 35. I like the scene when because he comes in

and Xavier's with some students and it very much is sort of like hey that's ShadowCats Yes yes And these movies do that I mean The cameos are really small It's just really like

It's for the guy that gets it And you can get your little elbow nudged And you're like you're fine That's the thing is they abandoned The elbow man The elbow man The elbow man had it's been abandoned Because that used to be his job

His job was to explain it And annoy you That was what he was supposed to do. That was my job until, like, 2009. Now they have to put it in the movie so that they can prove. No, I did the research. I read all the books, actually. I haven't

been nudged by Steve Zalbo in a movie in Nion 15 years. I miss it. Yeah, it's a fun thing. She just drops her books. She comes back. And it's also in that scene, Jubilee, and Pyro's there, too. But so someone's, you should, Shadow Cat is the girl who runs through the game. Kitty Pride.

Yeah, that's her like code. Oh, it's also called Elliot Page and the third. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's funny to me because, like, I love all those swapouts. We got it, we got a swap out with Kitty Pride. There's that Piro swapout. You get Piro for two seconds in this movie. It's just some different kid. Which I love, I mean, again, that's great.

You know what I mean? It's, again, my new hobby horse is like, just make your first movie and figure out the next one the next time. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Pyrro's a small character in this movie. This kid's fine. Oh, wait, we need a real actor for the next movie. We'll swap them out.

It's fine. No one cares. Exactly. Nobody cares. And then we couldn't find anyone so Aaron Stanford came in and He's fine. He's fine. No, I had to do the cheap joke. It was right there. No, I think he is actually fine.

I never was crazy about like, now I'm just going with Magneto fuckers. I was like, all, I mean, that all the whole... It's just so ice and fire can fight in... Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, you want that fight to happen. But like, that, the ending thing and not being able to just end a movie and that is the TVification. That is like the cornerstone of the TVification of movies is like now, everything has to end with some kind of, even if there isn't a cliffhanger,

you have to create a cliffhanger out of something. Right. And even if it's like after the movie is done. No, here's one. And again, I mean, I think X2, one of my favorite movies, sadly, is like dovetails really nicely with the end of this movie, and that's all just because they watched this movie and then wrote the next one.

You know what I mean? They're not, they're not like throwing a ball to catch it. That's what writing is. It's like, you leave something in the air. You know you can just write a way to fucking catch it. You don't have to. have that answer in hand. Like Wolverine is, you know,

stealing the motors, like all the end of the movie and going to Alkalai Lake. I have some business up north, whatever. But, like, I don't consider that a sequel set up more as it's just like,

the story is obviously continuing in some way and he's going to go do whatever. But you weren't able to sit there and be like, he's going to definitely do this and they're definitely bringing in whoever. Stryker and whatever. Yeah, like you didn't know.

It's like, oh, I have this file, the striker file. Exactly. Yeah. All that's in his pockets was knives and legs. Again, the elbow man. The elbow man would have known what that means. But, like, doesn't mean everybody has to...

Like, you don't need to even know that the fire kid is named Piro. No, exactly. Know that the kid can do it. The elbow man still exists, just not for this kind of movie. Yes, that's true. But I saw Lincoln with my wife, I was like... Were you the elbow man? The history elbow man.

Yeah. That's... Hey, William Seward was in the anti-Masonic movements. Thaddeus wasn't like that. No. But, yeah, so now that we got, we talked about the great montage of Xavier talking to the school, I love at the end of this montage, it ends in the horse stables, by the way, like, which we never see before or since or like, I kind of want, in X2, like, I want Brian Cox. Hors are not that that way, Wolverine. I actually had a thought to myself, and I didn't write it down because it's too stupid to write down, but if it comes out and pops back in your melon, throw it out here, mutant horses?

You imagine a horse with fucking freeze powers or something? They can't control it. I don't like horses. The idea of a mutant horse fills me with rage. Oh, so is that why you're not going to see Venom 3? That's the main reason. That's the main reason. I thought so.

Actually, that's a mutant horse right there. You totally nailed it. You can't wait for that fucking horse. It's going to be so stupid. I cannot wait how stupid that. Just give me all the drugs, dude. Let's do it. Speaking of stupid, I'm sorry.

Toad is the stupidest in this. This was the one thing where I was like, This is the weak point. I like Ray Park plenty, like on Darth Mall and, of course. And Darth Mall. That time he was Darth Mall. That is really what I like about. Oh, shit, but he's also in, when he does, oh, Darth Mall.

Yeah, I mean. And Toad. It's, once we get, we cut back to the Brotherhood and it's Magneto's vague place that he's in. This island, I texted you last night. I was like, is this island canonical or what? Wikipedia called the Genosha, but we don't. Don't say Janosha, so it's not Janotian. It doesn't look like it.

Also, it appears like it's an island where it's just the three of them. That's no mutant paradise. It doesn't look like sprawling. It looks like big rock faces that, yeah, you could build a nice office in. Really missed opportunity for Asteroid M. Yes, exactly. Have that island, yeah, totally come out of the ocean. Oh, shit, there it is.

You have no reason post age of Ultron. You have no reason to not have a floating little island city. Like, that's fine. Do it. God, the way they did all that, and that X-Men 97 was so cool. Oh, God damn it. So good. So, yeah, it's just a quick little scene of, yeah, there's Toad. I do love the Kelly getting a kidnapped scene because it's just, again, what this movie does really well is it's a quick little scene.

It's like him and Guy Rich and he's, you know, Guy Rich elbow man myself. I'm like, hey, that's not Guy Rich. Dude, I wasn't like hip enough to like recall Guy Rich. Other times I've seen this movie, but since we're so fresh off 97, I was elbowing myself. The Pirates was the guy in the helicopter. And it's just, you know, the Gene Gray and blah, blah, blah. And if I'd lock them all away. And then he turns into Mystique.

And it's, you know, Rebecca Romaine, it's a striking, she looks amazing. But she has this one little line that gives the character so much depth, which is it's people like you who are the reason I was afraid to go to school as a child. And then she kicks him and knocks him out. And then we're back in a comic movie. For that one second, you're like, I felt bad for that little blue girl.

You know what I mean? Like, you add, there's a third to demand. mention to that, that it just takes two seconds to make. But it's great, like, Jamel, you mentioned this talking about Magneto, right? It's like, you're feeling for these people and you're like, well, fuck, Mystique, you got a point too. You shouldn't have been scared to go to school.

Yeah, yeah. I don't care what you do to this guy now. This guy clearly stinks. Got a little bit of complexity to it. Nobody, like, I mean, now we're exhausted with nobody's wrong here. Yes. This is an interesting version of that. It's a more clear-sided version of that. I think maybe one difference

is it like with Killmonger, for example, Black Panther, they have to kind of give him basically sort of like the most monstrous possible plan to kind of make up for the fact that like, yeah, he's basically right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and, but here it's sort of like Magdino, I mean, the plan isn't great

but it's not like, he's not trying to like wipe out the planet. No. He's sort of like, I want these people to empathize with us and I'm going to make him fucking empathize with us. Yeah, if you're like us, you'll understand. Right. You know, that kind of you'll all turn into water. You'll all be named glup.

My whole thing about this device, and I think it's fantastic, but I need to know what Magneto's resources were. Is he the one putting this together? Who's building this thing? The schematic came from where exactly? Well, I mean, him and Charles, I mean, they built Cerebra together. So, I mean, they have engineering degrees from somewhere, clearly. Right, right. And, you know, Eric went off on his own.

He made his own mutant machine. That's how that worked. I guess. I'm going to need 12 dozen day laborers No reason No, I guess I'll call this one Brano This is Brano

Oh god damn he got the good one again But yeah so he turns Kelly into a mutant with this kind of thing And he's like welcome to the future brother Very hard for Enemy calling to get the hard R on brother there It's his brother Hello brother

Oh brother This is just a mere glance at the cum cloud That would envelop the world soon You all know Steve we forgot about one of your most favorite parts of the movie though When he's being kidnapped and he's right before the experiment takes place And he sees Davison sees Toad use his tongue to eat the pigeon or whatever And it's just this Bruce Davidson

Yuck And that's that's the Toad problem To Chris's point, it's just like, we don't need a yuck in this movie. Like, we're having fun anyway. What was the thinking behind putting toe? I mean, just sort of like, it's like, he's like a D-List mutant. Exactly. Of all the guys, you had this like, you know, decades of a catalog to pick from.

He was, I mean, let's remember, he was hot off of Darth Mall. So much so we're making that fucking Star Wars reference, the Liberty Island scene. I want to throw a shoe through my television. That is the problem, I guess, and maybe it is just the timing. We could talk about more of this towards the end. like the idea of putting Toad up against Storm. Exactly. What are you talking about?

Stop right now. The level that like Ice Man goes on his first day of Ice Manning as an X-Man, he goes up against Toad and like just barely beats him. And meanwhile, Sabre dude is slip it on banana peels in every fucking scene. You know what I mean? I'm like what? But Toad is kicking everyone's ass. Okay.

It makes no sense at all. You know, I'll say the thing about the lightsaber shit, which it's very dumb. He swings around a pole. is like it's a double-sided lightsaber and literally like winks and farts into the camera at the same time whatever. But it is from a place of like, that movie

was cool too, right? You guys like that too, right? Which is not what we have now when we're referencing stuff, which is more like, wasn't that fucking stupid? Like it's him making the reference to force a phantom menace is not a, wasn't this dumb

or a, well, that happened, you know, it's just a genuine, like, neat stuff. Yes. Because that's What we were talking about to be in, like, sincerity and earnest. Like, it's not trying to, like,

let the audience know they're in on the joke. Right. Every studio now feels like they have to do that or they're going to get made fun of on the internet. And guess what?

You can do nothing to stop the internet from laughing at you. There is nothing you can do. It will not happen. So just doing this is just ruining the movies. Yeah. So Wolverine goes to bed.

And he's got night terrors. Spoiler alert. Three out of four fucking students has night terrors and all these kids have rotten lives and chased with torches and god like everyone is waking up screaming at Xavier Academy it really has to be said like depending upon your power like whatever your mutant gift is or whatever that may dictate

whether or not you have roommates or you have a single or when you go to sleep the door's locked behind you and we'll reopen at 7 a.m. You got a toilet in your room that kind of thing. But you know for Wolverine this guy you know he doesn't DTA doesn't trust anybody I'm locking the door anyway That's true Anapakwin can't get in my room

Because I'm locking the door Oh well you see Wolverine It's my mansion And in my mansion And in my mansion open door policies man The whole time But yeah he's a night terrors Rogue is worried

And he winds up waking up And stabbing her with his claws And this is awesome And she uses his power To heal herself Kind of putting him in a mild coma It's the first time you realize And Xavier spells it out

Like well rogue is a very special ability For humans coma For us she's still our abilities for a short time. Also coma. To be fair, also coma. A little coma. But I mean, it is so great because it first relies on the intelligence of the audience that is in on the story because it's not like a, when she goes to do it, she's completely silent and she pulls her glove off and just does it. And there's no like, I'm going to touch your face now, y'all.

It's not hurt a little bit, but it's the same how old that. It's none of that. She just does it. And then, like, later, there is, because right after this, when he's, like, he's laid out in this comment, there is this Gene Gray. So here's all the powers of Wolverine that we've discovered. And here's the adamantium skeleton. And that's all really being explained in there. After the fact is also the rogue stuff, which I think is great.

Like, man, just to have just the little as tiniest, like, modicum of respect for your audience that's fans of this shit, man, unheard of these days. I really think that is the distinctive thing about this generation of super. superhero movies and that goes for blade they goes for spider man just sort of like they don't they assume the audience has seen a movie before you've seen a movie you know how this works you know that you actually have to watch things to figure out what's going to happen you know that like if it's written relatively well we're going to give you clues and hints and indications of what's coming next so just like pay the fuck attention and you'll be okay right yes absolutely and they started making movies for people who are going to be on their phones half the time exactly so that

So you have to have these long, like, discussions because maybe that'll stick. Remember, they're listening if they're not looking at it, at least. You can hear what is being explained on the screen. And, like, at this point, I'm kind of for, I mean, movie theaters are dying anyway. I'm kind of for having the separate screenings for the people who want to be on their phone.

Maybe that will fix this. Yeah, on this screen, it's for human beings. And on that screen, it's for fucking jerks. Yes, that's fine. Go to a jerk screening. It sounds great to me at this point. I know what was, like, against it at full force at first, but like, if this is what it has to conversation.

to. I mean, I'll, you know, whatever. And give me the bad showtimes. I don't even give a show. I go to the movies at 10 o'clock in the morning most weeks. I'm ready to go. Just tell me where to go. Oh, I'll tell you where to go. You have many times. She wakes up or he wakes up, you know, and

basically, Rogue is, that that Scoundrel Mystique has infiltrated to Xavier school. I mean, I guess she was there for a couple days. Like, all right, that boy has a crush on Rogue. I'm going to take that kid. Yeah, she must have been like scouting the place or whatever.

Just, you know, she disguised herself with some, like, little fat kid with blue hair. That's just another one of us, I don't know. Sending, like, communique's back to Magneto. Their cafeteria is amazing. Everything here. I could get a salar, a kale salad.

Two words, Magneto, omit bar. Mystique, yes, Magneto again. Your last communique, you're worried about a psych test. You're there to just, I want you to just survey the grounds. You do not need to get an A, Missique. So this one, it just says, sauna, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. That doesn't help me at all, mystique.

You know, Raven, I don't give a shit who you take to the spring formal, do you understand. I do like how her strategy here is just to be like, hey, hey, hey, rogue, all the other kids, I think you're weird as shit. You might want to go. You want to get out of here. Are you having a bad day or something? What's going on here? This just seems out of left field.

But that's, I mean, she's a 17-year-old girl. That will fucking send you to him. Oh, that'll crush you for you. Everyone's talking about you and everyone doesn't like you. I'm out of here, man. Wow, I found this place. I thought I was like with some of my own people. This was so great.

I was like acclimating. And then this guy came up and I had kind of a crush on him and he seemed pretty nice. But then he just gave me the fucking end of Harry and the Henderson's speech and told me, nobody wants you anymore. And I just, I had to go. I couldn't believe it. I mean, Mystique does have heavy-duty Regina George vibes. So I kind of get this whole ruling the roost thing. Yeah, she's getting her old burn book when she was a kid, you know, just flipping through.

Okay, what can I see to ruin a girl's life? Got it. That's some of the greatest hits. But before she goes, she goes into Cerebra. Well, actually, first, it's kind of weird, like, sequencing. So Rogue is missing. It's like, oh, where's Rogue? First of all, you're in Westchester, which we've announced.

She's at the fucking train station. It's the only way you get anywhere in Westchester is you have to take these little train stations all the way up the metro. I'm sorry, so you know, she's gone. And that's, she's just gone. But he doesn't know where to air. He has to use Cerebro to be like, oh, she's at the only train station that's two and a half miles north of here.

That's where we're going to go. And we get to Cerebro scene, which is neat. I do love him using, it is a great Patrick Stewart. He's like, yes, it's a thing where I can track mutants, sure. I use my powers and amplifies it, whatever. now if you're like skew he does eight now if you'll excuse me and he puts the helmet on oh my god i loved it is the liquid supposed to be dark green like that dude this is what

happens if you don't clean your fucking pool filter man that's i mean that's magneto gave him the rules like all right if it's blue good for you if it's black turn it back turn it back you know what i mean like you gotta check it every time you use absolutely you can't just jump in like homer simpson at dawn and then it's whack on scum so yeah they go to the train stations is a train station sequence where and I mean Hallie Barry we should talk about you know future Oscar

winner I think she's a good actress I think she should have never done the African accent yeah no should just in this world storm is American yeah totally she's not confident in it and it's like barely there to begin with so you're like wait is that is she doing it

in this scene exactly you have to be like tuning your radio like is this an accent or is this not yeah it makes it makes all it makes all of our lines just say sound like off in a way that's like I mean it it's fine but sort of it could be a stronger yeah I mean the boot doesn't do her many favorites she is clearly the most underwritten character of the X-Men for sure well yeah that's I mean what the accent can bring us up him is like well can all the other things I kind of got it but like this is like can me explain that yeah what's

I would like to know where's you're from that that's a decision that's a pretty big decision to be making I mean but like you don't get anything from her she just zaps the toad she fights. I mean, that's all you need to know. That's all you need to know about how much they cared about her character. They have her fight. Totally. And he kind of got, he got the edge on her for a little bit. Totally. It should not be that close of a fucking fight. She's like a level four mutant and we're talking about toad. Well, she does, she reads Sabreto's the Riot Act here. He grabs her, pushes her up against the glass. And again, I think the one thing that they get with Sabreto is he's a weird rapey fuck. And like, you know what I mean? Like,

and they don't go too far with it. It's not gross. But he just says scream for me. like that's gross and you get a lot about that character much like yeah i was afraid to go to school as a child him saying scream for me it's like i got enough yep oh absolutely this dude uses his powers to everyone else's disadvantage uh that's for sure and he gets zapped uh cyclops again toad the greatest mutant of all time just ripped his visor off and makes cyclops destroy half the train station god and you know i kind of feel like cyclops this has to have been ripped off like in training by accident or something close your damn eyes dude or get something like you know my kid for his goggles

yes has like a thing that's back just make sure you have one of those a little bit of elastic on the back will go so far absolutely i mean because this is such a big whoopsie right here this roof of this train station goes sky high i will say about this whole sequence it does have i think one of the coolest demonstrations of magnito's powers where he he he shoots the gun the bullets like right about the dig into the guys yeah and then he takes all the other ones is like Hey, listen, listen. I got a lot of tricks up my hand. Don't know if I can stop all these bullets, guys.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, I like the idea that you're boasting through talking about your limitations. Right. Like being like, I can only, I can't do this for everybody here. If somebody's going to get their head blown off. I don't know, the one guy who's getting the bullet drilled in his head, I guess because he's afraid of Magneto, like, I don't know, move back or run away.

Like, you know, I want to watch this bullet file on this guy as he's trying to run away. Stop, stop running. Stop running. we cut over, which is a great scene, which is the rogue, come back to the Xavier School scene. It's him and her and Wolverine. He's like, oh, on the train.

Yeah, let's give these geeks one more shot, and that's when Magneto makes his appearance known, and he says, this train shall not be going to Cotona, ladies, please transfer at track four. There will be no local stops on this train. We'll be going directly to hell.

I'd like to see your tickets, please. I got to say, though, because like we've seen him before and a little bit in action you know but like this is his debut magnetoing out yes what a debut him just coming through the fog

flying just a little bit just a little bit like six inches off the ground to fly into this train it's cool because apparently McKellen was iffy on taking this role which makes sense and apparently what sold him was seeing the costume which makes sense

because I mean like if you look at the comic I'm not how is that helmet gun to look anything other than incredibly stupid. Yeah. But it's form fitting. It's very militaristic. He's got a cloak, not a cape. You know what I mean? It's a very... Yes. They dignified the outfit for a very dignified act. Isn't the helmet? Like, is the helmet keeps Charles from reading his mind innovation from this

movie? Oh, that's a good question. Or is it from the cartoon? It's at least from the cartoon. Probably maybe even before that I would imagine. Like it makes sense that that's why he would wear a silly helmet and juggernaut would wear that incredibly stupid helmet. Yeah. Oh, because they're related, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they don't make Ian McKellen get jacked either. He's huge in the comics. Yes. He's just an old man. He's a nice old man. Bravatas, damn it. Exactly. Yeah, so they wind up stealing Rogue here. Kelly has already escaped.

It's fine. But there is that he does emerge on the beach because now he's got, he's mutating, and he's naked, and Stanley sees his dick. which is great. That is great. Wow, that's your mutant power, huh? Look at you. What's your name, Glob? And it's crazy, I guess it's because it's like, you know, his mutinism maybe.

Also, he's just like a clearly high on himself, like U.S. senator or whatever. So maybe that's where the no shame comes from. But like, this dude just dick out on this beach. Not one second do you see his hands like go over his crotch. He's just walking like, fuck you all. You're going to see my cock. I don't give a shit. I think he knows he's got minutes to live.

All of his body is turning into jelly And he can feel it Yeah You're part water Part the monster from the keep Yeah And you're like When he bobs up and down

I'm like What is that? Because I don't see that ever again Whatever that was It's gross and it's great It's also the Stan Lee God bless it This is the first

I mean There's no Stanley cameo in blade It's just a cute little Stanley Can you imagine if he was at the blood rate It's just like the room Kind of clears for a second He's like oh man I should never come on Thursday

again. Does anybody know where my girlfriend is? She's 23 years old. She's got me doing MDMA. Apparently it's very good for your age. But no, it's the movie doesn't stop dead. Again, Elbow guy gets it and he's just

because you see him react and look, the camera holds on him, but it's not a zoom in, he doesn't get a line, isn't get a monologue, it's just that's Stanley. There's also a dude separating Bruce Davidson from Stanley. There's a guy Stanley's operating whatever this food card is, I think,

and this guy's in the middle of ordering something. So that guy's in the middle of the frame, and Lee is behind it a little bit. So it's a real, like, you have to be sort of eagle-eyed here and know what Stanley looks like. And, man, the blessed days when it was like, no, no, no, just shut up and stand there. You don't have to say anything.

Just shut your mouth, and everybody is going to see your glasses and give a real thumbs up or elbow guy's going to get it and whatever. All right, we're going to say action in three, three, two. Jack Kirby was more important than you. Action. I was about to make a very similar joke because Stan Lee wants to say one line and, like, what is, what do you want to say, Stan?

Just let me say, fuck Kirby. Can I say it? I have two. I want two. Is that okay? Please. Jack, I'm still alive. I'm in the motion pictures, Kirby.

God, and to think that, like, this, like, it got so popular that is this dude was, like, trying to beat the Reaper to the grave. He was, like, recording them in advance? Yes, he grouped a bunch of them together or something. The smarter thing to do would actually to take this as an example, rather than the Stan Lee scene in Mallrats as the main example of what you want these scenes to be.

Like, I was just like, you don't need him to be there and be that. He doesn't have to anchor things. No. But so while we go back to lick our wounds of the expansion, Wolverine is about to leave. This is kind of Storm's biggest scene, the whole, like, at least I've chosen a side, which is like, it's there. And like, I think that, again, Hallibry, given good material

and given a better wig, could have been a little bit better here. This is a Halloween costume. It's a bad wig. It was a bad Halloween costume wig. Her with the short hair is starting in that second movie, look out below, I'll tell you right now. She handles genre really well. I love her in John Wick. I think she really

is not. She's terrific in John Wick. She's so good. And I can always, when I ever go back to that third one, and she's so cool in that movie, she's got them dogs and whatever. so awesome. I just think about how she was supposed to have that Jinks movie after Die Another Day and it didn't work, which is fine because bad idea. But take that seat of an idea, put it into John Wickaverse. Don't make that stupid hotel show. Make her going around doing stuff. I'll watch

that Assassin's story. The hotel show's already happened and we're waiting on the ballerina. Yes. The one that, and that the Armist is supposed to be. Right. John, and then I still hear we're going to get a fifth John Wick. I'm like They're, they're probably, if you're putting this much out, fine, put it out the Halliberry show. I would watch that. Exactly. You know, that fucking ballerina thing, I just don't care. I just don't care.

And I didn't watch. Thankfully, it was only a three-part thing. I think they knew, you know, nobody's going to want this to be like a long-running TV show. Three parts, we can bury it on Peacock forever. Or you don't think a Mel Gibson TV show is what the world is honking for? I'll just, you know, go over to the subscriber network on Fox Nation. Put the fucking show on there. So Bruce Davison, Wolverine's about to leave

because I'm going to go find Rogue no matter what. Yeah. Oops, here goes Bruce Davison. Interesting. A note now to think back on X-Men 97. Bruce Davison shows up at the mansion knocking on the door in a dark and stormy night. Same exact thing they have happened when the real Gene Gray comes back.

And I think it's Morph who's like answering the door that time and they open the door and like she's there. And I was like, oh, that's kind of a cool. People are just always showing up at this poor guy's door. I got it's a mansion. I know I was watching this movie last I was like can I rewatch X-Men 97 now like or do we have to wait like six months on the same app probably six months you didn't have to go for I will say speaking of that though I shaled out because I'm just a fucking simp and whatever I were doing this episode I was like I like two of the three movies and it's just the easiest way to buy it 4K set for those first three movies this movie looks so good on the 4K disc they put out I have to say I was pretty surprised I used my ages old DVD I still have the DVD. Oh, nice. I still have, I still have those DVDs from way back when, yeah. I just did

the Disney Plus, it was fine. Yeah. Contains tobacco descriptions. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Oh, please. Look out. Oh, my God. That's so funny. In 2000, I knew kids who were smoking in 2000. Sure. I do smoke cigars and I'm like, is that because of Wolverine? You try to undo your psychology. Probably got like, in the year 2000, yeah, no, I was definitely probably

smoking in the parking lot before going to see this movie. Absolutely. I believe it. But, So this is when he turns into jelly, which is kind of great. This scene still grosses me the fuck. Yeah, it's disgusting, dude. He's like, he's like, oh, then it becomes jelly. And like, poor storm is like, they're like, I think like once a month she has to clean the lab. And it just happened to be today.

Happened to be the day when our new ex-man Marmalade finally. Oh, Mr. Marmalade. That's it. We'll call him Marmalade. I say they're going to put me on toast, they are. Oh, and Mr. Marmalade has perished. We are so sorry to explain. If anybody's got any toast.

How long, I mean, I guess if he turned into water, he's a mutant, kind of anything goes, would you be like, do we have to like save this? Like, what if he reconstitute? You know what I mean? Yeah, because it's kind of, it reminds me a little bit, date myself a little bit here, the secret world of Alex Mack.

Yeah, of Larissa O'Lanick. Yeah. Some sort of toxic waste accident made her be able to turn into jelly and fart around, go under doors and whatnot. I've thought about that too, Steve. Like, did they just vacuum this dude up into like a fucking wet, dry vac and throw it out in the backyard? Well, that's, you don't have like a Beverly Crusher of this team who's like being like, well, no, of course, this is dead. Yes, this is dead liquid. Sure.

Yeah. Dead liquid. They realize because, uh, Roe, he, uh, before he dies. Xavier reads Kelly's mind and sees Magnettingies Machine. It's like, oh, it weakens him. So they're going to use Rogue to do it. And blah, blah, blah. It's going to be at the big

summit in Ellis Island, right? Yes. World Summit. The big World Summit. We're going to have everybody here to talk about the mutant problem. Yeah. Well. And this is when we're going to get in our costumes, which is fun. Well, Xavier uses Cerebro here. Oh, that's right. Because he's like, oh, shit, man.

Let me see if I can track it. down you know where they went or like whatever it is and it's like the fucking mountain do's in there dude you're not even looking at the hole filter you just need to look at it right before you use it every time where where did i get that killer terizo pizza let me just use cerebral for a minute it's got to be able to do that too right it's crazy he falls out of this because he's like oh my god i have to get out of this thing and he like he wheels around to try to leave it he falls out the chair i don't know man how about some railings on this cerebral walkway he almost goes right over the side

it doesn't it's like empire strikes back in there for some reason I don't understand it's just just weird freestanding platform that is incredibly dangerous like did you learn nothing from you know I know you fucking saw that movie Charles Xavier you were at the theater you saw it it's not ADA compliant

and the main user is disabled he just goes yeah it's crazy so he's in now he's in a coma a lot of coma in this movie and now Gene We're kind of trying to figure out what to do. Gene Gray winds up using the...

You know that there's a longer version of the scene of Cyclops being like, I'll take care of them. And like this is probably, again, like a scene that might have fleshed that character out a little bit more, but it's like a blink and you miss its scene. Oh, when he's talking to Patrick's doing the comic. Yeah.

And what sucks about it is like, it's kind of just like wussy shit. You know what I mean? Like it's not a leadership kind of tone. It's just like, I'll take care of him. Just like, you always want him. Daddy, I mean, it's Tom Cruise with Jason Robar. Yeah. At best. At best.

And like... You got some toads falling from the sky in this movie, too. Hey, if you get James Marston doing the shake, like Cruz does, maybe I'd be... Maybe I'd be into this, but it's a daddy thing. But, yeah, Gene Gray uses the Cerebro, and much like the cartoon, if she ever uses her power, she has to almost faint. Yep, that's right. Just immediately she falls to the ground. Another possible comb on her hands, almost.

But she knows that they're going to Liberty Island, so now we're going to get in our super suits, which is fun. Oh, yeah. And that's the thing is, like, I'm kind of on both aisles of this issue. I don't think it was a crime that we didn't show comic realistic costumes. No, it's a shit. And I don't think, and it's because sometimes the costumes look good. I'm like, oh, that's close to the comics.

It just matters what the world, what movie you're trying to do. Right, right, right, right. That's why it works for, I mean, presumably just in looking at the trailers and, you know, frame grabs right now. I haven't seen the movie yet, but like, that's why it kind of works in Deadpool, because, like, that's a ridiculous world. Yes. You can't use a yellow suit in this movie with the tone that the rest of the movie has.

You're just going to be laughing at these people. Wolverine wouldn't put that costume. That this car, this Wolverine would not put that costume. You're a professor. Can I get a leather costume? I'm going to talk to him. He won't know what's going on. I'll just talk.

It's like the Captain Kirk thing, man. He's going to talk in circles to the computer breaks. You know, I mean, I mean, if they're in Westchester, then like, Stallone from Copland, he's not too far away. Right over the river, that's a true. You were supposed to beat Magneto and you blew it! Just fighting with fellow mutant Robert

Patrick. Oh, yes. Please. God. Dude, that was a great. It was Stallone's birthday the other day and I saw Robert Patrick on Instagram wishing him a happy birthday and it's just the he used the frame from Copland and it's just Robert Patrick looking like such a scumbag in that movie. It's like, yeah,

we had a great time. He's got to play a happy birthday, Slide. And it's like the scusiest you've ever looked at a movie. And he's like, that's my Instagram post for Sly's birthday. And Leota is almost in Coke part of Goodfellows. Oh, yeah. He's just sweating. Yep.

Fucking everywhere. He's like the sidekick, but he is too coaked out to be the sidekick. You're doing hero levels of coax? Yes. This is the good version. So we get the Black Wing there. And I do, you know, comes up through the, the, the basketball court.

I wondered this time around, like, so Xavier's in a coma and all of the faculty that we know, who's watching these kids? Or is like, oh shit, they're doing black ops tonight. Get this, get the shit. Let's raise the liquor cabinet. Black ops, black ops.

Yeah, they're all stoked. Oh, shit. I hear the basketball court opening. I mean, Beast isn't in the movie, but you have to, Hank McCoy, stays back. He keeps an eye on the kids. Totally.

Because they'll be fucking a little sun comes up. But then Beast, he's like a big cat. So he might be, like, napping. I mean, I think he's probably rebelling in his own way. He's, like, probably reading, like, Lady Chatterley or something like that, just having a little moment to himself. Mr. Bees, can me watch Cinemax? Yes, yes, yes, yes, sure. Go right ahead.

I don't want to come up there one more time. What is this, Red Shoe Diaries? Oh, David Dukovny, I love him. All right, you can watch whatever you're softcore only, okay, please. No penetration scenes, kids. That's a good rule. Yeah, I think so. But they go to Liberty Island.

When they get to, because the baddies get there first, the only cool thing Toad does in this movie is stop these two security guards to death. The sound design for that? Yeah. Sounds so like a painful way to die. It really does. And I love that it's just like, you don't see any gore or whatever. It's just a pile of clothes on the floor.

Oh, it's a great little dumb practical effect. and yeah so they're setting up and again this is why I mean the mutant machine doesn't make sense because it makes Magneto kind of stupid like everyone keeps telling him like this is not going to achieve your goal this is not going to achieve even remotely your goal

and why are you this great zealot going to sacrifice a 16 year old girl to do this and he's like because of reasons you understand like you know it just doesn't exactly hold together well there has to be a movie doesn't there have to be a movie here or can we just not have a movie here or can we just not have a

Because that's the thing. The mutant machine does everything that the movie needs it to do. You know what I mean? And it gives rogue and it will be in a wonderful moment at the end. It does everything right, but it's just stupid. Well, because this was also the time of like big set pieces were like the big thing here. So rather than have a big fight, which is what you would usually just have, like we were at a time where I feel like we were confident to do something like the Civil War fight. Yeah.

Something like that, which is what something like this should be. So, like, you structure it so that you're... The Marvel movies of War? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just thinking of, like, the last sequence of the Civil War movie from a few months ago. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, assassination of Nick Offerman. Spoiler alert. That's fine, spoiler.

It's fine, but, like, that's what I would have also expected. And they try to do that, and the third one, and it's a disaster. It looks terrible, yeah. But, like, so this is just, like, you have to have these, like, levels that you're going to. going, we're down here now, got to get up to the little place where everybody's being held, and we're all the way out to the top.

And that's what we're doing. We're going to the Statue of Liberty, which is a fucking slog to climb if you've ever had to do it. Oh my God, it's awful. One of the worst things I've ever done with my life was going up to the top of the Statue of Liberty. My thighs.

Are you ever done it? I've ever done it. Oh, man. We opted to do the stairs. It's just this, you know, it was back then. I don't know if it's been changed. This tiny-ass spiral staircase.

You just wait, walking up you get up to the crown tiny ass bulletproof windows you look at them for two seconds back down you go you get out to a window and you say not worth it yeah totally Darth Vader's Luke Skywalker's father get out of here my thighs are killing me I will say that the when they go into like what's supposed to be the Liberty Island museum right there it actually does kind of look like how that place at least used to look back in the late 90s when I went but like with the the old torch kind of like placed in the middle of the museum and there's like an upper level kind of thing like they did a job of some kind to try to make it look like that museum. July of 2000 the ex one of the last people let into the Statue of Liberty for quite some time. Oh yeah that's true. I didn't think about that. Yep. Yep. I do like that they kind of give a little bit of a mystery to it because in the scene where after they get Davidson, I think you do see Toad spray painting some what should you call it?

Yeah. Why are you doing this? Yeah. It turns out to be the attachment to the torch. The torch. Which I was like, that was pretty smart, I thought. And I do think the Mystique business year is fun. It's like, this is how Mystique would fight. She would hide and, you know, kind of run around and do stuff like that. And then getting the Wolverine versus Mystique Wolverine fight is fucking great. It's super fun.

My question, though, them claws can't be Adamantian from her, right? Well, he cuts them off and then, like, they go pretty fast. But, like, she's still, she's getting knocked around like she herself is Wolverine. And I was like, how are you? Do you have the whole skeleton when you morph in? Again, not to drive a truck through it here, but like, I did was like, so that works, but she does have the perfect eyes that like, like you don't have more of a security thing on Cerebro than just the eyes.

Like she can fake them that easy. Oh, right. And then something like this is just like a man out of plastic, it seemed like. You're right. Like if you got a Cerebro machine, man, that's got to be fucking DNA security systems. I mean, also like, yeah, if you are a morphing person, you know, hey, look, I could look at Andrew. I can morph into Andrew, but I'm not going to know what it's fucking. fucking fingerprints look like you know what I mean yeah yeah uh unless I'm a super mutant

I'd like to see some of them uh but so this is good good mystique fight I like the gate part is super fun yes that's pretty cool it's it's just a good fight choreography all around and then Toad takes out three of the X-Man he fucking knocks out Cyclops he knocks he spits like some sort of like Louie into Gene Gray's face thank you for bringing up this bitch, Mel, because he's kind of just fighting like reptile for Mortal Kombat in the scene. Again, Magneto doesn't do this well against the

X-Men. Fucking Toad! All of a sudden, top tier. No, he's just weakened through most of this. Magneto's always weakened in this movie. But so, yeah, and then Storm has the, apparently this is Josh Whedon did it pass on this script. A million people did have passed on the script.

David Hader gets the credit, but apparently who knows how much of it is. Sure. But Josh Wien did a pass. They threw it in the garbage because it was pop culturey, snappy all over the place. Like, no thank you, Joss. So, insufferable Joss. One day, baby. Two, yeah, you just

wait. Two lines survived. One, I don't remember what it was. And the second one is, you know what happens to a toad when it's hit by lightning. The same thing that happens to everything else. Well, I mean, things are metal. Things are not metal. What the fuck are you talking about? What storm?

Aren't you the, like, queen of the weather? Really, you don't know this okay all right thank you you know people have complained about that line like since the movie came out i mean i remember seeing in the theater and sort of like just groaning when that happens but to put it in the context like you just did steve if that's the only remnant from an entire joss whedon script you'd have an hour and 48 minutes of nothing but those lines and it would be insufferable oh i'd be screaming they'd be like sunny and share jokes or something you know what i mean it would just be like everybody would have like insulting nicknamey kind of thing

Yeah, no, it would be fucking terrible. Wolvesies. Yep, absolutely. I also love another bit of humor that probably wasn't Josh Wheaton, or maybe it was. Wolverine kills Mystique or stabs mystique. He's like, you're not part of the team, you know, pretty great moment with Storm. And then Cyclops is like, I don't know if it's you, you're a dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A quick, you're a dick. Yep. Exactly. When I was 13, it's like, yeah, how very funny. Now I'm just sort of like, wait a sike, Cyclops has done nothing to you. Psychops has been nothing, nothing but respectful to you, and you show up one of the fuck as a girlfriend. Yes.

And like, look, I get it. I do get it. It's FAMkey Jansen. I totally get it. But still, man, just be nice. Right. We've cut over those scenes, which I think those scenes work. I like her chemistry with him.

And I mean, like, I know not to be the deadest of horses, but it's nice to have a romantic subplot of like, will they, won't they? Sure. I mean like it's totally I don't need to watch them fuck but it's literally like you just want to get my shirt off ha ha ha like moonlighting kind of jokes like it works in a movie

you know what I mean and it also creates attention because Cyclops is like hey fuck you dude and it's and it's sort of brought beyond just like a like if it was like teenage characters we all have crushes on each other whatever like it's an adult situation it's like here's a dude that has fallen in love

with a woman who has is with this other dude. Yeah. And that's like a legit problem. You know what I mean? And like the fact that this idea is given air at all in this movie. Yeah. I just feel like you wouldn't see as much of that now.

I don't want to be that guy who's like, they're not doing this anymore. But like, shit, there's a lot of stuff they're not doing anymore. The, you know, it's implied like, oh, me and Scott are down the hall. They're sleeping in the same room. They're cohabitating, which I do want to watch, like, just one night of them going to bed. And he's like, that guy's hair is stupid, right? Like that guy, I mean, like, he thinks is so fucking. Cool, that hair fucking sucks, right?

What is with the cigars? Like cigar? It's the year 2000. No, it's thinning back, isn't it? You know? You ever get close to him? Smells like jerky. I do love the...

Are you going to leave me for a Canadian? Okay, sweetheart, you go right ahead. A sea of details I like in this movie. One I always remember is how like hungrily rogue eats that beef jerky. Yes. Oh, yes. I always thought that was really good. like she's been starving for a while.

Wolverine's glove box jerky, man. You know that shit's five months old. He smoked it himself, too. No, absolutely. Yeah, that's a senator there. I wonder, Anna Pacquine had a good career, right? I mean, she's still having a good career. She's like a true blood.

True blood, yeah. I never saw Margaret's the thing that everybody loved that I never saw. Oh, man. I thought she was great in the Irishman. Oh, yeah, she is great in the Irishman. You're totally right. Yep. Yep. I highly recommend seeing Margaret. It's a phenomenal movie. But, like, I do think the True Blood thing, gave her like a lot of money and a new breath like she started getting cast again a lot and

I've liked everything she's she's she's she's only 41 she's our aid yeah yeah that's funny also I will say this movie by the way Patrick Stewart's career was on life support and I don't think he I don't think the Picard show happens I feel like a lot of the TNG revitalization hinges on this movie oh absolutely like he was like kind of and also like his theater stuff too like he was getting better he got better theater roles after this because he could kind of bank again you know what i mean like i mean it's it's kind of crazy you think about it like so you figure he's getting word about this in like i don't know late 98 you know 99 somewhere around there conspiracy theory's out that's a real movie yeah but remember the 98 dude he was doing that fucking

the showtime movie safe house yes you're making bad tv movies like that around this time like this a total lifesaver for him yeah he was he had done a christmas carroll in 99 I guess in the adaptation of animal farm in 99. Yeah, probably TV. Yeah, TV. I mean, what I remember most from him before this, I think, other than TNG, was him being the, doesn't say a word, but in the BBC version of Tinker Taylor Soldier's Spy, he's Carla. Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he has the one scene that is not in the movie where they meet, and he doesn't say anything.

Oh, that's great. I've still never seen the BBC version. Very much worth it. I actually prefer the movie by quite some. a lot of that stuff could be cut out and it was smartly cut out what do you got in there ale ginnis floating around yeah yeah like ginnis is a smiley yeah oh man yeah that sounds good actually it's definitely worth it but his career was the this saved his career like miles of miles because he was at this point too speaking of like other movies he's doing like this was the tail end

of those like bad fucking tng movies oh yes nemesis nemesis is o2 surprisingly but that uh the one before that there's like 98 i think so that's like you're doing that dude which like that insurrection is i've gone back to it it's not as bad as an ms but it is just like if it was a 47 minute episode of that tv show you'd be like that's probably one i don't revisit on perma plus that much right yeah that's one where i feel like they did they first contact you and then we're like we're not getting better at this this is there's no way this is it this is the this is the the holly we're not with everything else is going to be just silly and they proved it because in insurrection they got data's

fucking floating device bubble button seen in that movie that was fun right so we get it to the torch you know we've beaten the we've beaten the level one baddie which is towed and mystique I should say

and we get into the thing and it's kind of a great little moment Wolverine's like everybody run I can't move so it's like Magneto's here knows what's coming and that's a pretty cool and they Magneto kind of wraps everybody up in copper wiring or something and in various

dispositions, which is, you know, and it's like... It's cool. It's a very terrifying demonstration of his powers, you know. And it's basically, he does his mustache twirl of like, this is what I'm going to do, and I'm going to save us all. And like, you know, Wolverine's like, you're full of shit. You should be in that thing. Instead of the girl, I was like, but to reasons,

goodbye, everyone. So the machine's going to get started up. Sabretooth is around. This is when Wolverine breaks out, and there's a fun saber tooth fight, I think. Oh, yeah. No, it's, it's fun. we were sort of watching a little bit of it before we went on the air. That shot of like Sabretooth throws him in Wolverine's

claw. Yes. Yeah. It hits the Liberty spike and he swings around and it's just a little cartoon Hugh Jackman. It's not as photorealistic as I think it may be looked to us in 2000. There's some slow-mo stuff here. Obviously the Matrix was, you know, the year before. Everybody watched The Matrix. I do love the kick

that Mystique gets where she it's Wolverine at first and then she turns into Mystique as she's doing the case. Oh, that was a good one, yeah. It's pretty cool. I mean, like, and this fight is fun, you know, and you think Wolverines out of it, and then he goes back,

Sabretooth, and he just, you finally get to Hey Bubb in here. That's fun. And you know what? Elbow nudge. It's at the end. He's not doing it like all the time. Yeah.

It's just the one for the kids who know it and the grown adults who know it. The elbow men and children. The elbow children. I don't want to leave them out of this. The elbow children are also very important to this. I do like this whole Because doesn't

What's his face yet? Cyclops is the one that nails him though Which he shoots him and he falls into that boat Like it's some like 1980s crime movie He's the villain that just fell off the high-rise apartment building Where all the coke was For one moment he wasn't a wife guy And he didn't listen to her

He's like actually no fuck it I'm taking the shot Yep yep And it worked out it worked out for him I can't remember part two He's confirmed dead He doesn't show up in part two Does he? Sabredu, is not in any of the...

He does. The next time is like Trevor. Okay, yeah. And then now, because we can't... We need to have 15 trailers. I know that Tyler Main will be in Deadpool. Oh, is he really? Yeah.

Oh, the clip. It's a clip everywhere around the... Like, Twitter was just like posting it 100 times. Well, because it looked like shit. Everybody was just like, can you believe this shit? And it's fucking... It's Taylor Main. I'm like, I would have liked that.

Yeah. I would have enjoyed that probably. I will believe it. Of course, I'll believe it. What are you talking about? That movie is going to make. make like $300,000. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, it's on track to be the highest grossing movie of the year. I already have my ticket. I do. You know, whatever. We like X-South

so we're talking about. So whatever. This is the moment where Wolverine has to get up to Rogue and the stupid machine, but someone's got to stop Magneto. Like, we all have to use our powers together kind of a thing.

It's the best when you fucking have them doing team stuff, but everybody's using their powers just a little bit to help one another. Yeah, it's like Storm Blast, bring up their Gene Gray you can study them

and then when when you can Cyclops take the shot you know and it's I mean like I you know

again the the mutant machine is stupid the big cum cloud is coming for the island and it takes people way too long

to realize that that's going on I mean in real life I mean I don't know in real life the secret service would be like

shooting at it yeah exactly would there be like planes going at it like it would be it would be like ID4 like literally

just send a fucking pack of them out there to blow that thing up. Yep, exactly. You know, the thunderburns in the sky take this cum cloud out. And also, like, yeah, that's a really good point to, Jimel. Think about security forces. It's like, hey, we're going to be on Ellis Island.

Shouldn't we have a presence on Liberty Island, do you think? Like, really, let's lock that shit down. It's just right there. It's just right there. What do you want? We have a perimeter. Come on. We've done our work. And, you know, but I do like to score here. The

is really singing this moment of Rogue and Wolverine like it really you know solidifies the themes of what this movie's been about because she you know he Magnitude gets just zapped by Cyclops it's fine you know what I mean it's like whatever it's not really a Magnetus moment

they cut the fucking machine to ribbons just in time and she's like dead and you know he has this great Hugh Jackman moment of like oh no this little girl is dead what am I going to do and you know in his consoling of her dead body, he brings her back to life. And it's very sweet. And the score is very

good. His face tears up. Yes. I like that effect a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And, you know, it's a great thing because it's like, again, it's, it's, when you look back on how they introduce it with the stabbing, you know, her in the night thing, it doesn't feel like a Chekhov's gun situation. It feels so naturally written into the story

that it's more just like a logical, like, yeah, okay. Like, that's how you would, you would do it. like that's how he would check to make sure that she's alive or not and it doesn't work and he freaks out and then she kicks back in and it and you know it and it doesn't there's no cheapness to it i steve you mentioned the music i just wanted a shout out because he passed shortly after the movie came out michael common uh he died in 2003 but he did the score for this i was really noticing the score this yeah it is a fucking cranking a bunch of bits of music i really like are you're not uh missing the greatest hits of boston and ario speed wagon and maybe the macarena for good for good measure sure get people dancing uh-huh it's oh it's the 90s kind of yeah there's a post-credit sequence of all the x-men dancing to the macarena it's really good yeah shrek comes out it was great uh but yeah so that's that's

that's it well rude wakes up from a coma um and jean gray is taking care of him lets him know that he saved rog's life and she's this is more flirty stuff there's a great moment of just sort of like, he's like, you know, he flirts with her and then she goes, Logan, you and I, and then he cuts her up like, how's the girl? It's like sort of a real, yep, I don't want to hear it. I'm going to just jerk off to you three, six feet away. I'm going to weirdly touch your photograph at night as a Wolverine should. I think it's also just a sign of like, look, this is my problem to deal with. I'm not going to fucking be weird. You know, I'm choosing to take it from a different interpretation here, which is like, I'm not going to be a fucking creep about it. Like,

I get it. You know, I'm not stupid. I'm not going to try to break you up, bub. No. You know. The weirdest part about the Wolverine Gene Gray thing is in the comics, they go too far with it where, like, if you remember Wolverine Origin, like, there's a girl in his old Alberta fucking province town who's got red hair and he was in love with her.

And all these redheads throughout his life, it's very vertigo and it's very creepy. I like it better than he just, he met Gene Gray and she's really pretty and they likes her. That's nice. Hey, you look just like her, just a man, me, um, I mean, yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, in the cartoon, he is in Japan for a moment where he has, like, basically a wife, your ego. And that's, like, normal. Yeah. Like, she's not, like a jing gray. He's capable of loving other women. I think in the, in the, in the, Kakoa era of the comics, they're basically, like, Gene, Scott and Logan are basically like a thruffle. Oh, that's, okay. That's fun. Getting serious. I like the Cocoa stuff, but it got so intense and so big that I just fell off of it. And I was like, I missed three issues and I'm fucked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's John Hickman, right? Yeah, that's John Hickman. Yeah, exactly. You got to read every goddamn issue. I just couldn't do it. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah.

I mean, they should have kept with the, I think they should have kept with the thruple idea maybe. Because it does seem like Magneto and Mystique are in an ethically non-monogamous situation. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely. That's the vibe I was getting. And, you know, it's great because she could be whoever he needs her to be. That's fantastic. We date as singles, actually, not as a couple.

But, yeah, so now we're kind of wrapping up here. We get the news report, like, oh, Senator Kelly did a 180 on his Mutant Registration Act opinion. But it's great because he's like, oh, I was wrong about this issue, and I hope the American people can three of me. And he, like, holds his stomach, and he's got yellow fucking mystique eyes. And I'm like, because, like, Scott, pause, like, there, it's mystique. I'm like, everyone saw that.

Yes. Yes. Senator, what's your jaundiced eyes? That's a classic Southern alcoholism. Do we think mystic, because she obviously has other things to do with her life. Is she just going to, like, be a U.S. Senator? Maybe. Like, until the next election. Is she going to run for re-election?

What about Mrs. Kelly? Is she going home? She has to fucking go to Martha's Vineyard with those people? Well, that's a great point from L because, like, you're a member of the U.S. government. You've got people up your ass all the time. How are you, like, slinking into a closet to turn into someone else to get out of the house or whatever? You got staffers. You got events. You got to go to on the hill. And into election years, you got to go to county fairs.

You're just going to, like, go out to some county fair, eat some corn dogs. Well, that's what I think we need to do. That's how you get your fucking yellow eyeballs by the house. That'll do it. But I'm telling you this, we need to check. Maybe this is the answer we've all been looking for. Maybe it's not Joe Biden. Maybe it's that Rapscallion mystique up to her old.

tricks. You know what? You might be right on that. Maybe that, maybe before the debate, you know, there was a switcheroo, and now all of a sudden he can't string two words together. You know what? I'm also not, you know, I know he's a good guy, but I could see Morf doing this as a goof. Yeah, yeah, definitely is a bit. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

Let's see how long we can get this going. How much can I rile up the American media in the wrong direction? Let's see. Hey, call me when you piss off George Clooney, huh? You just tell me. Come on. Oh, man. Yeah. You know, it's a risky gamble for Mystique to do that, but I think they drag it out a little bit

in the second movie. Yeah, he's, Bruce Davidson gets back, which is kind of fun. Yeah, yeah. And it's, but again, like, we're just throwing this stuff up. We're not sure. It's like, you know, hey, there's a, there's, we found stuff at Alcala Lake. You might want to check it out. It's probably all decommissioned, but, you know, why don't you go steal Cyclops as a motorcycle? It's a really nice moment in the script because it's Xavier coming through on a promise he makes to Wolverine at the beginning the movie where it's like, if you help out all my buddies here, man, I promise I'll do some hardcore research about your beginning. Your origin, you may say.

You know all those green scenes that were just peppered throughout this movie? I'm going to explain them all. Don't worry, man. It is pretty cool when, oh, sorry, but it is pretty cool when he lets Gene read his mind and she sees alkali lake experiments and weapon X stuff. Pretty cool. Yeah, we get a little bit of that. Apparently, Kevin Feige, who is a producer on this movie,

has a deleted scene as an alkali lake technician or something like that. Oh, really? Probably not says anything, but like it's just dressed up doing stuff to Wolverine. Oh, that's kind of funny. Can I be the guy that tortures the hero? No, I love the movies. I love these movies. Well, it's like you can tell it's Kevin Feigy because he's got all like the

Alkalite like military guy outfit on whatever, but he's still wearing a fucking black baseball cap of it. Of course. I feel like, you know, they were watching the news report and, you know, the kids are playing foosball. I shouldn't be hearing foosball. I should be hearing cleaning from the fucking party we came back to last night.

Who took a shit on my office floor? A tape by two live crew. What is this? Bobby Drake, as they carved a giant ice dicks. Oh, this is far too much. I know who did it, Bobby. And don't say mystique. That worked once.

What is this track list? Pop that. Oh, that's my CD. It's a Bobby Drake CD. Don't look. What is a rump shaker? Someone came on the couch. I want to know who did it.

All right. No dessert until someone gives me the definition of a hood rat. Well, I can explain to the come on the couch there. I got a little into the Henry James last night. It was just a little too much. The blue hair started coming at me. Oh, no. Least.

But there's a great, the rest. I couldn't stop it. I couldn't stop it. It's right there. We had the launch codes the whole time. Very smartly, this movie knows where to end. It has to end with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in a room talking about stuff. We'll do chess.

It's such a great fucking scene. It's such a great ending to this movie. It's just, because it's just them going back and forth. These are my opinions. These are my opinions. We are still diametrically opposed. And it's another full circle bit of conversation

that the script does nicely because it flips their conversation from the fake halls of Congress at the beginning of the movie where Magneto is the one who's like and I'm going to be there every step over the way

and then this is like Charles being like so what are you doing now I'm going to do X X X X Y whatever and he's like and I'll be there with you know he fucking turns it around like and it's great because it's like

he's just using you know himself it's not like me and my super team of pretty cool and sexy people will be there because if you think about the end of like every Batman movie it's I am the night every day I'm going to avenge the darkness blah blah blah blah there's just this great moment of like

what Magneto asked him like what's going to happen when somebody comes to your school and he has this great it's Stuart giving this great model like I feel a great swell of pity for anyone going to my school or looking for trouble it's like because it's just about we want to exist you know what I mean like this movie is about we would

like to exist and if somebody wants to fucking tell us not to we're going to get into it you know what i mean and that's a great beautiful moment in the movie and it's how it ends there's no stingers i fast forwarded just to make sure there's absolutely nothing like at the end it's just it's allowed to just be a movie and it's an under two-hour experience that i really enjoyed uh revisiting you want to see more of these guys buy another ticket that's precisely we didn't plan out fucking five things in advance no but not setting it up at all, it did make X2 a little less, you know, for me.

I just, you know, I didn't see little bits of this beforehand. I hate that. Because again, there is a raid on the school in the next movie, so that question is sort of answered. Right. But again, that's just like good writing. Again, you watch the movie, so you wrote... You bothered. I mean, we make this joke all the time. It seems like some people that write these like continuations

and these sequels and whatever else haven't watched the other things. You don't even give a shit about the characters or anything like that, you know, like, those are the words. of these. Well, that's, that kind of continuity does not matter. What matters is the story continuity because that, of course, has eliminated the elbow men. Yes, that's true. That's what they really need. Right. But for the moment, that is the end of the X-Men saga. We'll go around the horn

here with some final thoughts. And we'll start with our guest, Jermal Bowie. This movie, I mean, it rules. I loved it when I was 13. This was, this is the first time I've watched it in some time. I think all the Brian Singer stuff that just wrote a bit, I don't know if I want to. Yeah, it's I mean, to be frank, it's sort of like, I'll watch Chinatown again, but that's Chinatown. Right, right. You do have to pick and choose. Yeah. So it's sort of like, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, uh, watched this very much. But watch this. And I was like, this is great. Uh, even if it's a little cheaper, even if there are some parts that, like, are a little shaky. I think it's very much better than the sum of its parts. And it's like doing something, um, that still feels kind of like novel even today. I think all this generation of superhero, movie this and Spider-Man and Blade they're all sort of like in a lot of ways kind of like swinging like let's try something like how can we use these properties and uh and they're gems and so i enjoyed this quite a bit i might just like watch x2 this weekend because i haven't seen that

in the bit and you know no no shame steve x2's great it's great it's a great movie and you know it's i mean like i'll go now uh but brian singer should be in a plastic person somewhere you know maybe he should have access to a chessboard maybe not But I mean, and you know, I guess it'd be like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, uh, like a, uh, like a, like a, uh, like a, uh, like a, he's a lot in here. And it's just, he's a horrible person and like, like, his career is now completely dead. He's never, like, uh, he's, he's never coming back. Rightfully so. He wound up making some movies that really mean a lot to me. This movie hasn't, as an, as I said on too old for the shit, X-Men is like, like, one of my favorite things in the world. But not even like, like, it's like, it's like food X-exmen. And, and. And, and. And, and. And. And. And, and. And, and. And, and. And, and. the New York next, and my beloved wife. Um, you know, but these listed forth, though, of course, but, you know, came to you eventually. It's

okay. I'll get there. Came to you. But, you know, I just think that this movie, it does hold up. I think that, like, the themes that it's playing with again, you know, it's not as, I mean, I think that, like, X-Men 97 is stronger in its, like, queerness and, like, pushing

those themes. Sure. Smarter. But this movie was, you know, has those themes. It's got, you know, it was directed by a gay man who wound up being a piece of shit and acted by, you know, Ian McKellon is a gay man who wound up being amazing. Right. So, like, it just sort of like,

those things matter for this movie and, and elevate it to a degree that something like this shouldn't be. And it's back when movies were like, hey, what would an X-Men movie look like? And I think that that is sort of, taking three steps back is something that I think all of these superhero movies should do and be like, what is this character? What is the, what is the world?

What is the thing? What's an X-Men movie? What's a Dr. Fate movie? What's a Dr. Strange movie? And, like, it's not the Thorne movie. It's actually quite different. You know what I mean? And I think that's what these, that's what, to your point, like, these gems, what are doing?

I was like, what's a Spider-Man movie? What's a Blade movie? And they looked totally different. Because they look different on the page, too. Exactly. You know? And that's what I love. And I'll go back.

I'll probably want to sneak in an X-2 watch in the next 10 days, for sure. Chris Gavin. I'm definitely going to watch X-2 soon. I mean, I do. it's just such a unique way of structuring these things where I'm used to it being like they have they pour six figures

on top of six figures on top of six figures to make all these things essentially feel and look alike now so when this is just you're not using too much digital there's a good amount but like when you're still getting some human elements

of it I can't resist you know it feels like it came from a real human piece of shit but a human nonetheless. And I mean, also to that point, like, I can't ever really take a movie down for its director because there are, I mean, we always, we talk about this now even more than usual. There were so many artists that go into this, not just the actors, like the cinematographers, the editors, the gaffers for crying out loud.

Like, that is just a bounty of artists being shoved aside because one's a piece of shit, a real garbage person who probably should not be walking. outside anymore but I like this movie I really like X2 I just was thinking about the night crawler White House scene hell yeah like oh this is just like okay I need to see it again yeah this was a nice

revisit for me um yeah no for this movie it boils down to I mean it's a lot of things going on here but one of the things it boils down to for me is when Wolverine's shitty trailer catches on fire after that fight they have in the Canadian wilderness, they actually blow up a trailer. Yeah. Yeah. And it's

real fucking fire on celluloid. You know what I mean? Like, so just from that, like you can just tell this is just, it's a more organic thing. And yet, you know, pieces of shit can be fans of things too. And it does help that this particular piece of shit predator person was a huge

fan of these movies and these characters. It just, it wasn't yet a commodified thing. Like, yes, of course, they wanted to make money. You know, obviously, it's show business, but like, it came from a different place than what a lot of these movies come from now. And, you know, I don't know that this Deadpool and Wolverine movie is going to do that because it's still, it's still coming from a certain place. But, you know, the before times. The before end game. That's not the before times are movies now.

We've said this before, but like people were always like so confused. Like, oh my God, well, you know, this, uh, whatever that, the Spider-Man, No Way Home, like it did so well. Obviously people love the shit. It's like, no, no, no. There were two motherfuckers in there from, ages ago and that's what most of those people were flocking to whether consciously or not I refuse to believe otherwise like especially Toby Spider-Man is from the before times man just I mean just barely it was on the cusp you know we had the trailer and then where we were in the after times but it's still a before-times kind of vibe and like

that's just all huge yeah oh yeah oh yeah fan bases like there are people who love Andrew Garfield just as Pure Parker so you're going to bring them back to oh yeah there's there's I see why that stuff works the other stuff, who knows. So we'll see where it all goes. I do love that joke on this season of the boys where they're doing a rollout presentation thing. And it's like, here's phase whatever.

And it's like 30 movies on a screen and all these nerds are going ape shit. It's been pretty great. But we're going to wrap it here because I feel like this could just kind of continue. But Jamel, thanks so much for popping on me. Tell folks on the internet where they can find all of this. You're one of the busiest dudes, I know.

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do it. We hate movies, of course, the bevy of stuff that's going on this month. We're still in July. Yeah, so let's see. The We Love Movies episode over on Patreon, patreon.com slash we hate movies. It's a great expert movie not directed by a piece of shit. It's Logan. That's right.

Steve, could you tell I was having trouble remembering which we love movies episode? I sure did. That's right. No, Logan, totally great time. Yeah, James Mangold, far as we know, a pretty decent fella. Yeah, so that was a lot of fun. You know, Logan from a completely different point in time. Still, somehow, it's a seven-year-old movie already. Is it really a seven-year-old movie?

Yeah. Look, the only superhero movie that Ethan Hawk likes. You know, you've got to give it its pedestal. There you go, that's right. We just laid down an AD that's coming out this month, also superhero-related. Yeah, that's right. We just did the Ultimate Spider-Man Ultimate Deadpool episode. Boy, that title is accurate. Oh, my God. There's so much Deadpool in the Deadpool episode. Yeah, he kind of hijacks that little cartoon. I will say on that episode, I talk about going back to watch earlier episodes of that show. I did. I watched like the first two of season one.

You can tell that at some point they sort of restructured it a little differently, at least from what the Deadpool episode feels like, because it feels way more geared towards kids at the start of it. it but it is still him like getting recruited by Shield like immediately and whatever but we talk all about that on that animation to animation episode that's coming out or possibly already out depending upon when you listen to this. The Nexus of course is still rocking and rolling. We are in the new phase of the series

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