We Hate Movies - S15 Ep760: A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

“More often than not, I’m fighting for my life!” - Eric, on his recurring nightmares On this week’s episode, our Halloween Spooktacular kicks off and, in the spirit of this year’s FOUR-OR ...MOVIE theme, we’re chatting about Renny Harlin’s English language debut, A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master! How great is this Freddy-assisting dog that pees fire? Did we really need to start the movie with a Bible quote, when a scroll about the lore of the Dream Master would’ve been much more helpful? How cool is the big Freddy soul escape sequence at the end? And should Joey’s parents have bought him that water bed? PLUS: Did Wishbone the Literature Dog flirt with human women on that show? A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master stars Robert Englund, Lisa Wilcox, Tuesday Knight, Brooke Theiss, Toy Newkirk, Andras Jones, Danny Hassel, Ken Sagoes, Rodney Eastman, and Jake as Jason the Dog; directed by Renny Harlin. Be sure to check our website for all ticketing information on our final shows of the year in Seattle, Portland (Oregon) & Boston! And don’t miss our worldwide digital event on October 23 where we’re talking Scream 4! Can’t make it the night of? The show has a 14-day replay window after the broadcast! And for our Patreon subscribers at the $8 & up, the After Party Q&A bundle comes free with purchase of a ticket to the show! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies merch-related needs! Including new Bus Movie, Night Vision & Too Old For This Shit designs!   Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This week on the program, Rennie Harlan, directing a horror movie. It happened. It's a nightmare on Elm Street 4, Colin the Dream Master. I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Zedek. The Eric Master. Chris Master. And we hate movies. Sometimes death is better. Zombies have entered the building.
Starting point is 00:00:37 They're at the door. They're coming in! It is time to keep your appointment with the Wicca Man. They're coming to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fucks using one too many movies. Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies? Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos.
Starting point is 00:00:59 For creation! Put the fucking ocean in the back! What an excellent day for an exited. Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, that's right, the spooktacular is on. Four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Why do horror movies when you can do a month of four-or movies? That's right, dude. That is, if you have not to receive the Big Daddy Dispatch yet, that's the fucking dumbest donkey dick theme we have going for the spectacular. I mean, I think we have a real good diversity of titles, a good diversity of fours going on here. I think we slayed with the curation. Well, we've gotten rid of all of the good
Starting point is 00:01:41 ideas and all the ideas left have scurried to the corner of the room. We have come up to them very like, but you know we put on the big suit. Yep. We go very quietly up to them like, come on, it's okay. And the first one to come out was four or a month. Yep. And there's only four left and they're trying to eat each other
Starting point is 00:01:58 right now. But this one I think has been working pretty well so far. Well, we've done some good fours already, right? We did that Hellraiser Bloodline. That's the fourth one of them. We did last year's Halloween virtual show was on Friday the 13th of final chapter. This year, yeah, Scream 4
Starting point is 00:02:14 we have as our virtual show. I'm very excited for. You're excited for it? I'm for it. Yes, I was for it before I was against it. This is like, this one is similar to our WLM episode, which is on the Patreon. Yes, Halloween for the return of Michael Myers.
Starting point is 00:02:32 A return to form four kind of a thing. Return to form. I don't form form. Form. See, these don't work if you're not typing shit, so you just got to not do it. I'm typing it right now. I think I like three more than I like four. Wow.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Yeah, yeah. I agree. Oh, for the move, for this movie. But in general, four is a theme, is pretty sharp. Four looks like a knife. Three looks like a, I don't know, what is it, a ball sack? A sidewise sack of tits. That's right.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Sack of tits. Yeah, well, a sack of tits for the tuit. A collection of tits. This is like, actually, when you're a younger person, like, you'd like hanging out at the diner with all your buddies and, like, you'd be the last one to go. But then, oh, here comes Rich and Tom. Oh, those are cool dudes. And you'd stay for the second round.
Starting point is 00:03:21 That's what this, that's the structure of this movie. You show up with one crowd and you leave with another. Good call. Good call, yes. The basic idea of this movie is that the surviving Dream Warriors are being picked off by Freddy so he can finish the job from the last film
Starting point is 00:03:36 and you'd think that should be enough for a movie but these poor sad sacks a shit are dispatched within the first 15 minutes and it's a whole new cast of characters including you recast your lead actress Patty Patty Arquette no longer in this motion picture. She knew what the fuck is. She's not
Starting point is 00:03:52 going to be in two Friday two nightmare movies. Hello Patty! Yes, this is Rennie Hardin. Hello. I understand saying no to that voice. But, I mean, this movie was huge. This movie was dominating the box office. It was number one of the box office for three weekends in a row.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Yeah. It cost at the time, which was, it was the most expensive movie in the franchise and, like, varying stories as to why Patty Arquette did not return. She was knocked up. The agent asked for too much money, yada. I'm just saying. Patty, Patty, Penny, it's Rob again. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. So you're going to pass out. I'm just going to just think game this out. You do this one, then you're in five, then you're in six. Now you're making a lot of, it's not like you're ever going to work with Martin Scorsese. It's every, you know what I mean? It's not going to win an Oscars someday, sweetheart. You're in four, five, six, okay? And then get this. No, you kiss your career goodbye. I'll be able to work at conventions. And then you sign stuff and take pictures, easy money.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Look, getting paid 10 large for a fucking, you know, convention appearance. Sure. Yes. Oh, yeah. You put in a day, maybe a weekend's worth of work if you're the honorary in whatever Florida
Starting point is 00:05:04 Swamp Convention you're going to. That's a way to make a living that I would love. I'll sign your fucking garbage photograph for the rest of my life. No, yes. No, no. They hired me off of a great Dunker Rouge commercial I did. It was a fantastic party. I was happy to do it. And I am working on, this is a fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:21 I love this idea. We have Andrew Dice Clayk plus koala bear detective agency. We are calling it the koala detective agency featuring Ford Lane. Fort Ford-For Lane. Ford-Four-Lain.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Four, four, four, four, I forgot, did he direct that, huh? He did. This was his first, like, big English language thing. I think... Well, does that movie... Prison, which I never saw, which is it... Oh, you know what? That's fun.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Is that which movie? It's another horror movie that he did right before this. Which I always, every spectacular I almost watch it. It's fun. It's worth seeking out. That's not the Christopher Lambert movie. No, no, no. No, it's a horror movie in a prison. Oh, oh, wow. That's Fortress you're thinking of. Oh, yes, it is fortress. Is that where he is now, prison?
Starting point is 00:06:03 No, he's okay. He's... Is he dead yet? No, he's making movies back in the Motherland, I thought. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's had some, like, Swedish or finished, like, crime movies. Well, you've got to go back to the homeland for that health care. Absolutely. Absolutely. But if the IMDB is to be believed, And again, a lot of this stuff is probably true because these fucking ape people just cut and pay shit the hero in DVD special features and put it on the internet. He was so desperate for this job that he was going to the new line offices every day asking if Bob Shea was in, asking for a job.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And is Bob there? Tell me what you want me to fuck. Just tell me, I'll suck something. I'll fuck something. I'll let something fuck me. Whatever. I just have to direct this Freddie film. I've been having nightmares every night about not direct. directing it, come on. Are you want Gina Davis to peg me? Absolutely. Absolutely. We get that going and then we get a freddie movie on the book. That's what we call it. Cutthroat Island.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Feel a little bit of Gina Davis pagan for the table? Yeah, what if I can... Did he direct that too, right? Bargaining shit. Yes, you did direct that. Absolutely. Garbage. Did you anyone here? Well, hang on to say. Hang on it. Oh, please. Okay, yes. He went to the office every day to the point where Bob Shea was noticing, his clothes weren't changing, and this dude was starting to smell. And he gave him the job so he could afford
Starting point is 00:07:20 new clothes. That's the apocry on IMD. And plus the writer's strike was happening really soon and if it's to believe they were just filming this Marvel style before they even had a director like they were doing special effects shots beforehand. Again, all apocryphal. Has anyone seen because I haven't
Starting point is 00:07:36 because the runtime is like 395 minutes that never sleep again documentary? Oh, I've dipped in and out. It's the same thing with that crystal like memory shit. Dude, you don't need to watch all of it. No, just I mean also like if there was ever before we were doing that, if there's ever like the time to break up the documentary
Starting point is 00:07:52 into pieces. No kidding. Once you start tapping 300 minutes about Freddie Kruger, let's just do part one and part two. But here's the other thing. When you are just making DVD special features and then at some point you cut it into a single thing and call it a documentary, sounds like a
Starting point is 00:08:07 you problem with that one time. That Michael Jackson documentary was in parts, right? What was that? Finding Neverland? Yeah, two parts on that guy. Two parter. Part one, the fax machine. It's scarier than Freddy Krueger. certainly is much more but we start with a
Starting point is 00:08:22 Tuesday weld song by the way not Tuesday weld at all Tuesday night doesn't matter of fact God damn it's gonna we do that all day now you fuck the rest of us that's great but also a quote from Joe because if there's any way I want my Freddie Kruger's third sequel to start
Starting point is 00:08:39 it's with a Bible quote is this is Joe Bible is that Bible or is that a book in the Bible? It's a book in the Bible I thought it was like a you know like the Lord of the Rings and then that salamandestron or whatever the fuck it's like a second thing oh no yeah there weren't many bible spin-offs dude it's just
Starting point is 00:08:57 a you know the bible's an anthology series eric not a appendix or anything anthology horror right yeah oh my god totally incest killing kids that poor lot I loved him lot lot got a raw deal so it starts out with when uh when deep sleep fall fallers fall fall falleth
Starting point is 00:09:14 falleth on men that's right okay I miswrote this fear I'm going to say it's my handwriting but it's tight it's tight fear came upon me
Starting point is 00:09:25 and trembling which made all my bones shake Job 413 14 oh yeah oh fuck yeah I can't wait
Starting point is 00:09:34 to watch this fucking movie dude I love MTV at the book of Job are we insinuating that Job was visited by
Starting point is 00:09:43 Freddie Kruger were there Freddie Kruger types in the Bible even back then There's all sorts of fucking hell demons in the Bible, dude. So, yeah, probably. Right, okay. Some of them were sweater.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Some of them were sweater. Not all. Santa Claus? Santa Claus, I mean, also could be a demon. I would believe it. He's a demon. Yeah, this guy was a, he swept the temples and then, but he was like praying to the wrong calf. And they burned him alive.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Oh, is that what that's about? Yes, yeah. Oh, my God. That's the biblical tale of Kruger, from the book of Frederick. Right. they shoved him into that oven for worshipping the wrong cow that's right i mean we start at what looks like the jimangi house after everything happened i love this i love this this series insistence on like keeping it to this fucking house man
Starting point is 00:10:30 this is the house from the first movie and it's really tough to start in a dream sequence you need someone to be like hey christian hey christian hey christian we know you from the lat you know what i mean like it's just it's just a blonde woman at this point you don't know who this girl is You make fun of Friday the 13th for doing all the previously on. I could have used one here. It wouldn't have been helpful, though, because, again, you got Patti Arquette playing the same character as this Tuesday night woman. You make your, you refilm your previously on, like Evil Dead 2. Yes, there you go.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Very. The elements of the previously on. That's it. A lot of shots of, like, Patty Arquette from behind so you don't have to change as much. Patty Arquette from behind. What is this, my search history? Actually, maybe I just redo it the whole film. It was a piece of shit.
Starting point is 00:11:19 It wasn't directed by Reddy Haunted. Yeah, this is Tuesday night singing Nightmare. Oh, good. And, like, yeah, Bible verse not getting me a psyched as like the dock and tune at the beginning of the last movie. That's, we're the dream warriors. Fuck yeah, dude, you're ready to do battle with Kruger that very night. Well, how about chalk drawings? How's that getting you?
Starting point is 00:11:42 Well, that plays into the little kidness of the kid killer Fintzugar and all that. It's always a communion just broke out on Elm Street when we start these movies, isn't it? He's always killing these girls in mid-May, I guess. No, the boys are in suits too. I saw. No, it's prime fucking communion season, dude, right? His spring is starting, you know? Look, I got a busy spring, okay?
Starting point is 00:12:06 It's always just a little bit higher that time of year. It's also just like the clothing of all these people. And again, like, let's remember here, the parents of the kids from the first movie are who, you know, committed this thing on him. And so we're talking a 1984 Heather Langenkamp, in 1984 Johnny Depp, they're like teenagers. So let's say like 60s, late, no, no, no, no, no. Like, yeah, like the mid-70s they're having First Communions, right? Why are they all dressed like it's the Great Depression? Like, I understand your ghosts and it's a nightmare and whatever.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Well, I mean, much like the Great Depression, you have to be prepared for, like, your kids just to die out of nowhere. Like, all the time, you're just getting used to, like, well, we had three guys. Oh, well, there goes one. It's slaughtered in it. Right. That's why the Oki's were moving around so much. It wasn't so much looking for work. It was, they're going to be asking about that kid.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Oh, yeah, down the road there. Yeah, that dead kid down the road. Oh, let's go to the next town. There's just too many gravesites on our land now, Edna. We have to leave. It's kind of funny, though, man, because, like, what you're describing. is sort of the graves of wrath. Oh, nice one.
Starting point is 00:13:13 The shoulder shrug, deep-bellied sigh reaction that this town has to kids dying. Oh, yeah. And it's not just the parents reacting this way. It is the kids, too. It's like, oh, yeah, fucking Sheeler died yesterday. Yeah, total bummer. I am so stressed out about this test.
Starting point is 00:13:30 It used to happen all the time. You know, like people would run around the pool. Now there's signs for that. Last cracked heads. If I was one of the, here's the thing, though. Because, like, again, we were said that Kincaid, Joey, and Kristen are the last three of the Elm Street kids. Right. When they are dead, that should be the end of it.
Starting point is 00:13:49 But then, you know, spoiler alert, she pulls Alice. Kristen fucks it up! Kristen pulls Alice into her dream. And then now, by osmosis, Freddie can kill only this group of friends. But I wouldn't be fucking furious if I was like the dad of like Sheila or something. Like, no, I specifically didn't burn that guy alive. Hey, excuse me. Came to my house that very night with torches and pitchforks in hand, and I said, excuse me, celebrity wheel of fortune is on. And I have no fight in this fucking. I wrote a defense of him in the paper. People wouldn't even talk to me anymore. I believe you also believe in guilt by association. So she gets it too. I'm sorry. It's so messed up. I wrote that note in support of Freddie Krueger for the local newspaper. And then 40 years later, I wrote a note in the local newspaper supporting Danny Masterson. And again,
Starting point is 00:14:39 My friends stop talking to me. It's not fair. I was into, not that I was into it, I just thought he was innocent. I was glad, listen, they didn't, the word was in the wrong place. That man should walk free is what I said. Oh, no, I won't get involved with Ashton Coucher. No, I'm scared of that guy. That guy's got some skeletons in the closet.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I'd rather not go near. I just want to kill some kids. I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity that have him support me in a letter. I went into his dream and he punked me. I got punked He came out wearing a backwards hat I've been to hell of course I've also been to hell too
Starting point is 00:15:15 Which was that Steve Jobs movie Holy moly That guy only dreams his movies That's a rough one I totally forgot that Ashton He played Steve Jobs And then also Michael Fasspenter Yes
Starting point is 00:15:28 That's another dumb idea That one at least worked a little better In the performance department Just a little bit Just a little better But so she basically is like walking around the old nightmare house
Starting point is 00:15:39 and we're here in the thing you're expected for her to pop out at any moment and she gets very spooked and she calls in her two good buddies
Starting point is 00:15:46 Kincaid and Joey after a window explodes like this is like you could tell Rennie Harlan was destined for action
Starting point is 00:15:54 greatness because it's like she's just like gently peering out this window and the whole window explodes in her face and she gets like
Starting point is 00:16:03 shot across the room again with the action thing and I think that like you think like something dire too it's like these they look really similar like that super sleek yeah like really clean like you could see especially with the bluerre you can see every fucking thing which is not great for horror you know what I mean like you want a little bit of grime
Starting point is 00:16:21 especially like when you're in this house yeah it's like you can really see the set of it all right you know what I mean and so she's pulling in her friends of these dreams and Kincaid's like not again is she pulling them in for everything like you have a dream about a spider Oh, I would hold it. Get it, get it, get it. Get it. Get it. Get it. Right. They hit it with the newspaper, did Kate? Really? This is what you pulled me in here for, Kristen. I was having a dream where I was on the beach with Pam Anderson. Because I constantly dream about like spiders and serpents. Yes. Yes, this is Dan Johnson, but I want you and Kincaid to watch. So you just sit down in the chair and watch while me and him go at it. Oh, I forgot. There was something about what you were saying there. And now I, my spooky dreams. I wish I could call you guys in there I was just as I fucking so rarely remember my dreams
Starting point is 00:17:11 Where was the last time you had a nightmare? Oh a nightmare? No I couldn't tell you At least once a week Is that right? Oh yeah Like what like boring things like oh I miss sweating or what? No like creatures
Starting point is 00:17:23 Oh really? Yeah I think it just means I'm going to hell Are you going through In the mouth of madness Like turn maybe? I've always been Chris This is not like a new thing This is just my life
Starting point is 00:17:35 usually any six out of ten nightmares that I've had in the last 20 years it's like is this a nightmare let's like my brain just starts to do the work of like let's not do the nightmare guys kind of I've got a recurring location which is a nice beach house I've never been to but a lot of the time it's just me being
Starting point is 00:17:53 put upon by family and I guess that's a nightmare and it's a way I guess but it's a lot of just like I can't believe we're all packed into this beach house I have anxiety dreams like that like family stuff or whatever that kind of shit happens usually it's boring like you're walking around that
Starting point is 00:18:08 for me it's like you're walking around it's boring it's nothing really happening or I'm or maybe it's like a little sexy dream or maybe more more often than not I'm fighting for my life against what just a force neighbors
Starting point is 00:18:23 invisible people cigarette smoking neighbors ghosts you're more creative than me man I'm like oh no I'm on tour and I haven't watched the movie and we're going on See, I don't get those about the show And I'm glad I don't have to have a fucking
Starting point is 00:18:38 Pitiful office job anymore Because I don't have I would have the you missed the meeting You fucking sign the email like all that shit And I would wake up like thinking those things happened And that's always the worst When you wake up and it's like You spend the first 10 to 15 minutes of your day
Starting point is 00:18:54 Feeling shitty Because you think that thing was real And then like you'd be driving to the office And it'd be like oh All that meeting now ever had. Oh, that was completely fucking fake. Yeah. Oh, I don't work there anymore. What's this? You get
Starting point is 00:19:09 bit by a dog, though, then you wake up with that. Well, that's true. So, here's the question, because he, in both of the early dreams, he is the catalyst. Jason, the dog. Is everyone paying attention? Isn't that something? It is something.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Is the catalyst of, like, in the first dream, like, he's a dog, not a cat. Oh, he's a dogalist. He's a dog list. Because, like, Joey's like, come on, you know, Christian, nothing's happening here. The pipes are cold, which I do love the idea, like, Braddy Krueger's Nightmare Factory.
Starting point is 00:19:44 Kruger, back in business, smokestacks, bustle in. See, the furnace says out to lunch, be back in five, so we're okay. Everybody knows if Freddie Kruger were still here, this be hot. I mean, everybody knows that. They've been outsourcing my jobs. The pipes are cold. I'll tell you this, man. I like that third movie better
Starting point is 00:20:04 because this Joey's not talking in it he's mute through most of that third movie is probably more fun once they start like setting up this world where like I can pull you in I'm like no no no no no don't you start no no no no it's because that's it betrays
Starting point is 00:20:20 what the only thing that this movie this franchise is not the only thing this franchise has a franchise is a lot but it's the cool setup right like this is vengeance upon your children and all that cool shit I don't know.
Starting point is 00:20:33 I don't know. Any kid will do now. That's right. That's true. Freddie can do anything supernatural. I don't want the kids that, that's the good, like the kids versus it. The kids shouldn't also be supernatural. Like that's weird. Now, I mean, it is. But here's what I'll fire back.
Starting point is 00:20:50 A movie that sets up something like this better. I don't know if it's a better movie because they're kind of just bad slasher sequels. But Friday the 13th, New Blood, which I just rewatched for the calendar holiday. a couple days ago. Similar vibe here. Similar vibe and it's a character you're introducing that has a power that can be used to fight the villain. Like the girl in that movie has got like Carrie
Starting point is 00:21:12 type psychic powers, whatever. The movie does a good job at setting up that situation. This movie, she's just kind of doing it and I guess she was kind of doing it in the last movie a little bit because they are the dream warriors but like again maybe though
Starting point is 00:21:28 to your point, Eric, there needs to be a previously on Freddy Yeah, a little bit. And then Alice, so like basically like Pipes are cold. Uh-oh, Jason the dog bites her. Jumps out of this furnace, which is very funny. Yeah, bites her right on the arm.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And then she wakes up like a Freddie Krueger thing. Her arm is bleeding. Now, do you need a tetanus shot for that or like a dream tetanus shot? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Like try to go to sleep and wake up in a nurse's office, which we do happen. It does happen later.
Starting point is 00:21:56 That actually does it. Well, can she go to the county and get this dog dream put down? Yeah. I wouldn't do that to Kincaid. Oh, yeah, he's not going to help you anymore. Oh, you think I'm going to help you. This thing's Freddy's minion, it's pissing fire and waking him up. But what if Dream put down is just you kill him in the dream world?
Starting point is 00:22:12 So now he's not dreaming like you, you know, live your life, live his dog life like you. Yeah. No dreams. Just you fall asleep and it's just blank darkness for five hours. I would give anything to not to make the nightmares go. And I just wake up and I go, still high, huh? I mean, that might be your fucking answer. That's true.
Starting point is 00:22:30 It could be the vapor. at 11 p.m. Well, well, you're fucking vaping right now in the studio. Do you vape late at night before you go to sleep or no? Sometimes. Sometimes. That means, yes. Do you find it affects your dreams at all? No, I remember my dreams. You remember your dreams, all right, once you? Let's lay some out. I, it's usually
Starting point is 00:22:46 I'm being chased. Really? Yeah. Well, not like in like an intense way. It's just like, uh, it's kind of like, uh, like home alone the beginning of home alone when the morning of like everybody's like getting ready to go somewhere. Right. But like nobody's going anywhere.
Starting point is 00:23:01 They're all staying in the same place. Oh, that's tough. Yeah. But like, they're like, no, but we have to leave it at this time. Is it ever like really funny though? Like everyone's racing around, but like you're the only one on rollerblades? Sometimes I definitely have something going on sometimes. Like sometimes I have a suit jacket on the whole time for no reason. Oh, that's you're late for a business meeting that day. Something like that. I can't believe I'm the only one fighting monsters. No, no, I don't have monsters. Dude, I'm telling you.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Just time. The biggest monster of them all. That's true. Just go to bed fucking super high. I guess I got to do that. I got to do more of that, less being dream. drunk every night, I guess. Oh, because, dude, the fucking, the whiskey will give you dreams. Oh, yeah, yeah. Gin, too, that'll be two added snakes again. Monster sleep at the bottom of the bottle, Eric.
Starting point is 00:23:41 So we cut to now what was going to be our new protagonist, which is Alice, and she's kind of getting ready for school with her. Because we go to Rick and Alice's house because Rick and Kristen are dating one another. I just, I can't not tell you how fucking, like, I just immediately turn off. We're like, oh, man, we got rid of Freddy. He's not coming back. Is he? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Well, let's wait 25 minutes to have him come back. Yeah, let's just get to it, man. Yeah, I totally agree. But once he's here, he's really going for it. True, but I'll tell you this, you know, to that point, though, Chris, maybe the rule is one monster at a time because we meet this father. Yeah, oh, yeah. This fucking Jim Walsh on steroids, this fucking guy.
Starting point is 00:24:24 And he's given the fucking kid shit. It's clearly like the mom is dead. Yes. Because like the, Alice is like looking at a picture. later of the mom and I think there's something like if mom were here dad wouldn't be abusive to us and you're like well yeah because he'd be being abusive to you and your mother probably look if you want me to be nice to you why don't you find me my friend jim beam you get him back on my good graces we find out now rick is like oh man whenever you see dad
Starting point is 00:24:51 with pink eyes and uh and uh and whatever it's a real incommunicado kind of day real kieran culkin vibes from this kid Rick yeah yeah i can like that. I didn't think of it at the time. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I can totally see that. He does, and this is, by the way, of course, the great Lisa Wilcox, as Alice, also in part five, also in Milf Manor, was it? Oh, my God. Milf Island? Right.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Which one? Milf Manor. Yes. Where her son got turned down because he's a real long ago, that's what you said? Your words, not my? That is my words. Yeah, but you're quoting my review in the times. You were saying he was a bit of a dud and none of the Mills wanted him. God, no one wanted him. Are you not allowed to leave the Milf Manor until somebody has sex?
Starting point is 00:25:34 Is that how that word? You can only leave it. It's a bunch of skeletons. You can only leave in a body bag. I really wish I had seen this New York Times review. Yes, there are many mils, but then they deserve a manner. They don't. Not this quality of milk.
Starting point is 00:25:49 So let's talk about Lisa Wilcox for a second. What was going on on this show with her? Honestly, I kind of forget. She came in like halfway through the season or something. So they're just changing out milfs like fucking tires? There's no rule. in the Manor, dude. You guys got to get hip to Milf Manor. By the way, don't watch
Starting point is 00:26:04 this show. It's terrible. But that's why I watch it. I love watching. Oh, shoot into Dilf Den. Instead, you know, your time could be better spent watching the family Stallone with my arched nemesis, Frank Stallone, who's in that show, which is a delightful show. And I hate watch. But so Lisa
Starting point is 00:26:19 Wilcox on Milf Manor, she's getting down? I don't remember if she fucked or not. I don't think so. The thing is, I think she was very tame on the show. Real? Because There's some real firecrackers. Oh, well, you got a firecrackers. Garbage milfs that are here to fuck.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Did they talk like that? Yeah, I'm Crystal and I'm here to fuck on Milf Manette. That's one of my monsters I fight in my dreams. My name's Evelyn Alligator. I'm here to fucking kill men. They are like that. Yeah, it's actually Milf Marsh because we live in a marsh because we're the garbage milfs. We just kind of lay down at the marsh and get bow.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Manor calling Staten Island this spring. Garbage mills that make our dreams come true. Now yeah, we're boiling children this morning. Did anyone know that she was an actress or is an actress?
Starting point is 00:27:14 I think they talked about it. Oh, okay. All these stories about working with Rennie. Honestly, the thing is they should have done more with it. Right. She showed up and then she was going. I felt like it was a blink and you miss it.
Starting point is 00:27:27 But then again, remember, bottom of the bottle Every episode of Milf Manor I have to walk through whiskey and gin bottles to get to the bedroom Well yes I am an executive producer on Milf Manor It's a fantastic piece of
Starting point is 00:27:42 I'm actually making movies with With my good friend Pierce Brosnan Nowadays but I I do make some time for the Milt Manners You know back in the 80s I used to fight a nightmare demon But if you select me on Miltf Manor I'll make your dreams
Starting point is 00:27:58 come true. Yeah. That's the intro piece. You know, part of the package, they say, in the business. We get to school. We meet all of our kids. I got a package. Wait, excuse me. They're returned to sender. Never mind. Okay. I don't have the names in front of me. Of the kids? You got, yeah, you got the, the workout girl. Workout girl, Edmund, right, Debba. Debbie is. Steela is the nerd girl. Nerd girl with the asthma. Nerd girl asthma. Classic
Starting point is 00:28:28 combination. That's peanut butter and jelly. Workout and bugs is like maybe too much. Maybe that's why she's going to stomp it in the parking lot. So what do you think like, do you think she like how does that, okay, so you've asthma you love to read?
Starting point is 00:28:43 Yeah, that just happened. Yeah. And glasses. Did you love to read first? It's a chicken and eggs, baby. I think the reading comes first and then the asthma. Okay. Or it's like, I can't go outside and play softball. So I would. literature. We're sorry
Starting point is 00:28:59 to tell you, Mr. Mrs. Johnson, your child is a bookworm. We don't know what to do about it. We don't know what to tell. She will probably develop asthma. That's usually what we see with the bookworms. You can hear some glasses. She'll grow into those. No worry. I do like Rick doing his little
Starting point is 00:29:15 karate kid workout to drama-rama which is pretty fucking great. Is this is this when he has the flag out or is that a little later? The flag is like The flag? It's a real like we go to school quick and don't see anything and come home. We get as far
Starting point is 00:29:31 as the parking lot. Got it. We meet Puffer Girl and we meet Bug Girl and they spy the Dan the jock from afar. Dan fucking Air Dan. There's nothing going on with this dude. This guy is like Eli Manning with less
Starting point is 00:29:46 charisma. Dude I said he looks exactly like Eli Manning and I know it's he really does exact same acting ability. With the introduction of Puffer Girl with the asthma right. There's the one dude that says you're sucking the wrong nozzle as in you shouldn't be sucking the inhaler, you should be sucking my
Starting point is 00:30:03 Johnson. And that guy I think is, is he the football player from Beetleju? Okay. Oh, nice. I was thinking about Beatles. I don't think we survived that bus crash coach. I was thinking about Beetlejuice while watching this, you know, like the whole dream other world. Oh, yeah. Beetlejuice and Krueger and Hang out.
Starting point is 00:30:19 That'd be great. Let's see that, buddy comedy. Weren't those both 1988? Maybe. I think so. Was Beetleju's 1988 also? Sounds right. Yeah. I would put money on it.
Starting point is 00:30:30 Well, because especially when they go into the dream world and there's all, like, neon lights and shit all over the place. And I was like, yeah, it looks like Casa Day Beetle. So she's, there's a great Rick gay joke here because. It is 88. Nice. Dynasty, the dynasty jokes. No, no, it's like, we don't kiss and tell.
Starting point is 00:30:48 How about you guys to Kincaid and Joey? Oh, yeah, you got to throw that in. It was also like, I was in the last movie. Why am I getting razzed by the new kid? You know what I mean? That's true. I should be razzed him. You've got to die for me to take up space, you know?
Starting point is 00:31:04 And this is Rick. Yeah. Because he's kind of a skeptic about the whole thing, right? Yeah, he's like, I don't believe all this stuff. Also, how did all these kids get out of the mental ward? You know what I mean? Well, that place was closed. I think, first of all, out of business.
Starting point is 00:31:18 But Steve's got a great point. Once you get in the system, throw away the key. Keep those kids in. They're weird. Does Craig Watson's character live? through the end of that movie? He does, yeah. So, like, what happened to him? I think at the end of that movie, it's like,
Starting point is 00:31:32 ooh, Craig Watson has looked at the dollhouse that someone had, like, the light goes on in it. Yeah, sure. So, like, he might get haunted, and then they were like, no more Craig Watson. No, he was busy making those great albums. Yeah, so, yeah, it's like we do the parking lot thing, and then we go back home
Starting point is 00:31:48 immediately, because this, we walk in, yeah, the brother's been doing the karate for a little bit. Alice is making dinner, and this is the fucking dad comes in and it's a real like, this vegetation's supposed to be a dinner after a 10 hour work day? I'm like,
Starting point is 00:32:04 I don't know, you're the one that's 47. I leave my job and I drink two bottles of liquor in the car before I get home. And this is the meal you have prepared for me. What am I, a rabbit? And shit they do at least twice in this movie and I, boy,
Starting point is 00:32:20 I don't know if it's just been coming up recently or what. I have grown to hate this trope. The, a character does some. Oh, just happened most recently in night bitch Chris Cabin. A character does something and you're like, wow, pretty baller for that character to do that. Uh-oh, they were just thinking it. Oh, yeah. She turns around
Starting point is 00:32:36 and she fucking tells off the dad, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, wow, good for you, little girl. Oh, and she was just imagining that. That's like a lost thread of the Alice character, which is she's a daydreamer. Which is kind of interesting in the context of this stuff, but it doesn't
Starting point is 00:32:52 really make sense. And then later on, she's like, I don't know, I know something about the Dreammaster. You're like, the what? Don't worry about it. There's a whole class about it. How about, instead of starting your movie with bullshit Bible quotes, why don't we get a little scroll about the Dreammaster?
Starting point is 00:33:12 Yes, that's and out to what that guy was like. Time of Memorium, there's always been a Dreammaster. Right, he guards this gait or not that gate. It doesn't really matter, but we're going to call it this anyway. I know, yeah. It's like Slayers in Buffy. You know what I mean? There's a lore there.
Starting point is 00:33:26 I guess we're trying to name it the dream master because she can contribute to these powers she can control she suck people so it's like he's met his match here's the dream master and that's kind of the beef with this movie and I think most of these movies except for the first one like the rules are never
Starting point is 00:33:42 really clear like what Freddie Kennedy can't do what you can do in your dream what a dream master is that's why at least in the first movie like Heather Layencamp spends time figuring that out she's like oh shit mom I fucking brought the hat out of the dream Like, you see her develop knowledge about the process as we learn it as the audience.
Starting point is 00:34:01 And this is like, they're just throwing shit in and then forgetting they suggested it or, you know, whatever. Well, it's always a last minute, like, addition to the mythos that, like, allows him to kill him. And then when you start the next one, you have to bring him back. So now you have to add something else or break a rule you already made to keep making these fucking movies. This and Halloween, it's just like it's too much. It's contradictory. It's going this way. It's going that way.
Starting point is 00:34:26 you have to admire. I know a lot of people think the Friday the 13th series is the lesser one but it's simple-minded. You got Jason doing Jason. That's all you need. Yeah, you can't kill him. And then... Yeah, it's out. Oh, now he's back. Yeah. Or somebody like unearths him from the bottom
Starting point is 00:34:42 of the bog. Exactly. So we cut to Kincaid. He's kind of dozing off with his dog here. Jason! Oh boy, I almost forgot about it. It just gets funnier every time I hear it. Great dog by the way. Oh, yeah. No, this... Excellent dog. I do want to say part of the dog performance that's really awesome is a few scenes back.
Starting point is 00:35:01 We talked about it. When he bites Kristen to get them out of the dream or whatever, Kincaid wakes up like, what'd you do that for, Jason? And you look, this dog is covered in blood. It is so fucking funny. Do you think that dog was disappointed that he didn't get to bite Patty Arquette? It's like, oh, wow, this is filling night, huh? When I signed on, Rennie and I were talking about this.
Starting point is 00:35:23 It's going to be big scene with me and Patricia. It was really exciting. Yes, it was me and the dog. We were up until 4 o'clock in the morning drinking vodka, talking about his role. He kept on saying that he was doing this one for the resume. And then the next one was going to be a start turn. But this one, because he wanted to work with Patricia Arquette, the fool. He says he won't leave the dog house until Patricia is on set.
Starting point is 00:35:43 What am I supposed to do? Come on, we're losing light, Bruno. Come on, oh, please. Look, you, Bruno, as Jason the dog, is really the heart of the... picture and we cannot pump our blood of cinema without our heart hold on uh uh yeah so jason
Starting point is 00:36:03 people are telling me that's a joke about I thought it was like a Jason and the Argonauts reference I thought we were going like really really metaphorical metaphysical here you're a fire oh I just got it I'll tell her I'll tell the dog that it's a stunt double this woman is the stunt doubles
Starting point is 00:36:19 will you be okay biting the stunt double Jason Proof. Excellent. This is Patricia Arquette's understudy. You understand. We just have her on set just in case. Oh, thank God. This is going so well. The last dog actor I worked with was Hannah Sam. So they both go into dream.
Starting point is 00:36:42 They're in John Saxon's Graveyard, baby, or junkyard. This poor kid wakes up in the trunk of a car. Oh, it's tough. I was hoping for Saxon. I'm always hoping for Saxon. I'm always hoping for Saxon. life. I woke up tonight. I was like, maybe I'll like turn on the TV, get a little saxon fix. When I have a bad dream, I just want like
Starting point is 00:37:01 a Saxon glowing gold being like, hey, kid, I'm here to help you. Here's what you got to do. It'll be all right, Eric. You don't have to have them nightmares no more. Welcome to hell, Kincaid. Well, I love Kincaid's line where he's just like, hey dog, this isn't my dreamland.
Starting point is 00:37:19 And I was like, oh. Hell it isn't. Yeah, well, we pan back, we pull back eventually, and we see that this junkyard goes on for the entire plan. It's where the fucking Autobots and Decepticons came. It's a planet of junkyard. I'm after the Allspark.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I don't even know what it is. This shit's convoluted. I just know Omnacrown or whoever wants it. But this dog just starts digging up these bones. And like, if you're Kincaid, you have to immediately recognize
Starting point is 00:37:50 where you are. Get out of their dog. get out of there dog and start calling your friends in immediately be like you know let me get all to my dream pals in listen if I am in a place where I watched a skeleton dance around only to be like buried in the ground later or whatever the fuck goes out at the end of that movie
Starting point is 00:38:07 I'm never forgetting what that place looks like no well I don't know if he's there that's what Saxon's doing kind of at the same time as the dream warriors are in their mental it's I don't think we all go to the graveyard
Starting point is 00:38:24 at the end. Oh, oh, oh, Cicade never sees that? Oh, I thought they were there at the end. I'm trying to stop a tweet if I can't. So, yeah, whatever. The dog's digging up the bones. What's going on? Get out of there. This dog through his red rocket pisses fire. It's awesome. It's so cool. It's never explained.
Starting point is 00:38:46 It's actually, I appreciate. He does. This is like a Freddie dog. You need to put this dog down because, I mean, like, you know, Kincaid is now it was going to be dead in a minute and then like this dog is gonna keep wreaking havoc to this family.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Also Kincaid when you see this skeleton reconstituting jump down there start taking bones apart yes, start throwing them around regardless of if you ever were there at the end of the last movie you see the gloves.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Stories were told legend was made you've heard we buried this fucking skeleton in a junkyard. What are we doing putting all the pieces next to each other
Starting point is 00:39:17 this is why the English put William Wallace in all these different spots quarters Because if William Wallace, skeleton was next to each other, and reconstitute, come back. That's a good one.
Starting point is 00:39:26 He'd be saying crazy shit about Jews and sugar tents to be wild all the day long. I mean, maybe the royals would like him after all. They might. I mean, that's the thing, I am actually with Joanie Kincaid. This is all Kristen's fault for looking for him.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Yes. She's poking the bear. Constantly going back to the foundry to be like, well, he could be here. You don't know. I know it's cold now, but it might be hot tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Joey, does it feel cold? It doesn't feel like it just was hot and now it's cold. Just shut the fuck up. Sleep. I would be, I would also, I would move so far away from her. Oh my God. Like, I don't want to see you like, okay.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Elm Street. I am leaving. Elm Street is down the road. Forever. And like, yeah, you can call me into your dream, you cycle bath. But also you can't run into this person in the middle of town. It would be better if not. No, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:11 No, we never should see each other again. Absolutely not. No, that's, with all of these, you know, strenuous circumstances. Like we just did, you know, Poseidon. Right. Those people should never be seeing each other again after that. You know what I mean? You don't want to fucking talk to those people.
Starting point is 00:40:25 I didn't want to see the people. The last time I had jury duty, this fucking weaner that was in the group, like after the case was over and whatever, this dude was like, so yeah, maybe it would be fun if, like, we got together. What the fuck? Like a month from now and I was like, and I just was like, hey man, no offense. I'm never going to see you again in my life. Went walked away. Was that because you guys said that guy to death and he wanted to, like, walk in there? I'm pretty sure we bankrupted that dentist
Starting point is 00:40:51 Yeah, good, good, good, good. Yeah, he ain't going to be harming any young girls anymore. But yes, dog pisses fire. I like Friday coming up here, he goes, You shouldn't have buried me. I'm not dead. Pretty good, pretty good line right there. That dog piss is too hot. I like my dog piss room temperature
Starting point is 00:41:12 when it wakes me up from my eternal slumber. Finally, I could work with somebody. Robert England, huge fan, Bruno the Dog. Thank you so much. much coming. Listen, this was the only Freddy versus Jason I care about, right here. But yes, but Kincaid still has
Starting point is 00:41:26 his like dream warrior powers, which I believe make him super strong. Yeah, he drops a car on Freddy. Take that motherfucker! It's fucking great screaming at this dude, but it's all for nothing. Involnerable to cars. It's one of his another power of
Starting point is 00:41:42 Freddy's, yeah. Pretty all around powerful dude. Later we see him get hit with a car. It's very cool. The the effect shot later on where the car crumbles around nothing. We should say the effect of him coming back is really cool. All the reconstitution thing.
Starting point is 00:41:56 A lot of the special effects in this are very, very good. Is that that screaming mad George gentleman was involved in this? I believe he is, yes. Which I didn't see that movie that everybody watched that years ago. The screaming mad George movie that he made it a couple of years ago.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Are you talking about the Philip Tippett? Yeah, you're thinking of a different dude. Oh, really? Yeah. Phil Tippett did the stop motion movie that was on show. Oh, God. Mad God, God.
Starting point is 00:42:17 That's Phil Tippett. Well, Matt in his name, Matt in the time. That movie is a real one. Okay, got it. It's a fucking Halloween screen saver you can put on. I didn't care for that movie. But this is really great. Yes, all of the stop motion of like the muscles growing back on.
Starting point is 00:42:34 I love the eye sockets filling with his eyeballs again. It's all very, very cool. Well, that's, I mean, to what, there's no parameters to his powers. So like, I'm supposed to get excited that King Kate is dropping a car and I'm like, well, I don't think that's going to do anything. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like, there's all these fighting things. I'm like, well, I don't, there's no wish of what actually hurts it. That would be so cool if you just, that, like, oh, you drop the car on them.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And now the kids go to therapy. This is a suburban teen drama. All the EWalks come up. You know, it's coming. Yep, yep. Yeah, and then it's like a coming of age thing. And it's very sweet and nice. And maybe her and Rick, like, I don't know, like, recommit to each other.
Starting point is 00:43:11 They do martial arts together. Yeah. Yeah. The karate kid it up. I gotta say though the planet junkyard shot is pretty cool but it's a bad cut right here
Starting point is 00:43:23 because it just cuts to Kincaid is back on the ground and Freddy is not crushed by the car and he's stabbing him like he's just straight up stabbing him when we cut already and I'm like it's a little too jumpy for my taste Kincaid in the real world
Starting point is 00:43:39 this was kind of weird because generally like your wounds in the nightmare mimic what happens to in the outside he should be bleeding out right here he's wearing a white tank top no blood at all when I tell you right here Andrew Jupin not being able to deal with this this fucking poor dog knows that his owner's in trouble
Starting point is 00:43:56 and just is like they do that one little wine right is this guy they're having the actor basically act like he's having a heart attack and I'm like oh that dog's so lonely the dog's not whining and he's trying not to laugh oh no Jason you can eat him if you want to eat him you go right ahead and eat him
Starting point is 00:44:14 Yeah, because, like, were these kids also orphans, by the way? Like, was that part of it at any point? No, his mom finds, or Joey's mom finds him. Joey's mom, yeah, but I thought so, like, does Kincaid have parents in the last movie? I can't tell you that. Yeah, I don't know. I should have re-watched. Freddy should kill the dog, and then the dog soul is in his chest as well, a little dog face.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Or maybe the Freddy becomes the dog is like a wishbone scenario. Oh, now you've got a dog in a hat. Yes, a better movie. Super mysteries, paranormal mysteries even. flirting with a maid Marion and whatever else it got up. Yeah, yeah, Wishbone flirted with human women on that show. Oh, shit, right? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:51 That's fucking crazy. Because it was like he was the only dog and he interacted with people. Every other person was a, every other character was a human being on that show. Right, but he was such a dog. He was hounding for those ladies. Speaking of hounding, by the way, Joey, this character, once again, duped by pussy in this movie. He gets fooled
Starting point is 00:45:09 by the ladies in the last movie because he's such a horny little kid and here it is. he's hanging out in his room. Just watching MTV? It was 1988. What else you're going to do? That's what you did. You fucking Huff-Gloo. You watch MTV. You jerked off. I guess you hung out... Oh, tossed off. Pardon. I guess
Starting point is 00:45:25 you hung out in a waterbed that your parents bought for you? This is kids shouldn't be having water beds. Yeah, they're gross. Yeah, they're getting addicted so quick. It just happens immediately. They're gross, but like, its primary function is fucking. Sleeping is
Starting point is 00:45:40 secondary with a water bed. You ever lay in one? Yes. It's very, I don't care for it. I couldn't imagine falling asleep on it. It's like sleeping on the smallest boat you've ever been. Yeah, my cousin had one when I was a kid. Just no thanks. You just feel like you're waking up with back problems no matter what.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Exactly. I need the firmest, firmest of mattresses. Firm it up, dude. I need firm. Firmest. I need firm. Firm with like no bars across the middle of it, like a fucking fold-out mattress or something. Good old-fashioned Amish fad.
Starting point is 00:46:09 I just want to sleep on a pile of hay, Chris. I really matted down pile of hay. He's got a poster of some sexy lady. Ooh. And the sexy lady comes, is in the waterbed, which is kind of cool. Visual. A little cool visual. Yeah, I like that.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Although I don't know if waterbed mattresses were like see-through. I don't think that was the case. But this is a cool special effect nonetheless. It is also nice in the grand tradition of killing people with beds in this franchise. Yeah, because it's like, oh, the sexy ladies there. And, oh, Joe, you know Joey gets horny real easily from that last movie. And, like, there she is, and then, uh-oh, it's Freddy, pulls him in. I think Freddie is also pissed off.
Starting point is 00:46:49 It's a water pad. This is disgusting. It's fucking warm and disgusting. I'm stabbing your ass now. I'm going to have to take a shower after this. You know how much bacteria is in here? It takes forever for this sweater to dry. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:03 No, I'm not going to put it in a dryer. Have you seen how tattered it is? It'll be torn to shreds. God, it smells like clear piss. It's like piss from someone who just drinks water. I have to lay it out on some tethered. How's to dry. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I hope your fucking mother finds you. Jesus Christ. You know what, Joey? I'm going to kill you. Then I'm going to kill this water bed. And then I'm going to kill your mother for buying you the water bed in the first place. You know what, Joey? Wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:47:26 I know you're dying from my stab wound. Call out to one of your friends, why don't you? You got any friends that you were like, oh, I wish they were here. Could you come? Come up. Just get somebody over here. So, you know, if he calls him, I don't even know, Alan Thick. Now, Freddie can kill Alan.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Yeah. Oh, well, Freddy Kruger, I heard an awful lot about you back of the day, my friend. You're still killing kids, or what are you doing, baby? You should be on television. I'm here to warn you, it's about your kids. What? We're both doing cocaine. Is that all right?
Starting point is 00:48:01 He grows up to be an asshole or something. He steals songs and is bad with women. Oh, my God, he's in the masked singer. Kill me down. Kill me down. I don't want to wait around for the heart attack. Strike me dead, Kruger. But so they're both dead and the news gets to Kristen, which is, well, no, just the
Starting point is 00:48:21 Freddy's got some decent one-liners in this movie, and this is one of them, he goes, How's this for a wet dream? Yes. Pretty cool. It's a good one. Especially Joey, no stranger to come in in his pants in the middle of the night. Joey, nocturnal emissions, Franklin. Yep, that's what we always called him.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Say that at the funeral. he always wanted to shoot in his sleep he always ruined his pants every day he would just say nope my pants don't work no more I gotta go home and get new pants because I came in him I love my wet dream son but yeah this is all the same nights and then we get to the final dream warrior
Starting point is 00:48:57 left standing Kristen's house and she is doing the traditional smoking cigarettes she's got a big old tab soda watching bad TV in the middle of the night trying not to go to bed Well, there's, we, we, during the day, we kind of have more school stuff, and then we go to, uh, basically the diner, which is the Crave Inn, by the way. Oh, absolutely. And this is when, like, Dan is there.
Starting point is 00:49:23 And, like, we realize, like, A, Alice now has more character where she's, like, a waitress and she doesn't want to be last, her nightmare. Uh, uh, is being a waitress for the rest of her life. Right, right, right. Uh, but yeah, we've, we've had this, we've had the characterization already that her and Rick have the dead mom. Yes. At this point, that's already happened. They talk about her or whatever trying to teach. Oh, this is a really pathetic.
Starting point is 00:49:48 He's like, oh, I'll teach you like how to do karate. We're like kind of kicking for a man. And I'm like, please just cut to the next. Yes. This isn't going to come in any way. It was very big. Very big about that. No, I know. Oh, I know.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Did you know that? I knew it was huge. Yeah. Part of this movie was filmed inside a dojo. I bet you didn't know that. I didn't know that. I just made it up. I believe it because it was so big. I hope that Rick knows he can't wear that headband to school because that's really going to get you beat up.
Starting point is 00:50:14 And Kristen at this point has also already had a freak out in school. Yes. One of her many school freakouts, definitely tops Nancy Thompson in the school freakout department. I'm going to tell you this. If you are in this situation and you are trying to keep your stuff, you want to keep up, you want to stay up a little late because you're worried about Freddie. You cannot trust your parents. No. They are on, they are always going to be on the side of sleep.
Starting point is 00:50:37 and you've got to avoid this at all caught this you have to move out you have to go find a motel eight well because they wind up going to the freddie house and uh rick is like gets three pages of dialogue well you know you know about freddie crook don't you dan and he goes to the whole damn thing so terrible and you'd figure like you'd get that over on the car ride because like they go there because uh they get word at school that joey and concate are dead there's a quick shot where joey's mom finds him inside the mattress, which is wild. Which she also now knows that he died through sexual misadventure. And she's going to definitely like, you wish it was fucking Freddie Krueger with the way this
Starting point is 00:51:15 kid's going. She's got to like cut him out of that dude and like put him in a bathtub with like a bunch of fucking Thailand-allin all capsules everywhere. Because he had a boner when he was done. Do you think David Carrity and ran afoul of Freddie Krueger? Is that how that happened in Thailand? Yes. Collaborators.
Starting point is 00:51:30 It sounds more like. Here's my good friend. Fred Kruger. He always gives me the wildest dreams. Tie it off, Fred. Let's go. If you ever need pointers, talk to Fred. Oh, fuck. I was in the bathroom. David, wake up!
Starting point is 00:51:44 What did you take, David? What did you take? Not such that tour I did with NXS. Have I gone through something so bad? It would be so cool if you was your friend, right? He shows up in your dream. You toss off together. Why do all my closest friends die hanging themselves on jerking off. It's a curse. It's not worth it, ladies
Starting point is 00:52:07 and gentlemen. It's just not. All right, I'm going to kill the kids of the guy who owns the belt factory that keeps killing my friends. No, what's that? Should we say a legend or did that? Or we confirmed on that? Was his... Who, Michael Hutchins? Well, not Hutchins. David Carrey.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Was his weenio? Oh, I don't know. Was his wean? Could be an urban legend. I don't know. What that his weiner was out? I don't know. This sounds like an investigation. for you era phones ringing dude
Starting point is 00:52:35 this could be a five part investigation coming in the next few episodes a penis investigation with Eric
Starting point is 00:52:40 says you but I do I need a cap that looks like a penis oh there a little cap like a
Starting point is 00:52:47 Sherlock Holmes hat that's like textured and leathery you'll find it leather with some texture
Starting point is 00:52:52 I do like the whole one leather Sherlock Holmes hat please no but it has to have a pee hole
Starting point is 00:52:59 in there no no pinker and you spoke of pipe but the pipe is like a cock oh yes yeah yeah yeah I'm on a couple of those yeah I like hold the balls or something and then like can I clear it through the balls that's how you click the actions down on the point you put your thumb over one of the balls yeah my pipe is clean clean my pipe oh my god okay what other penis stuff let's let's let's you think of some we'll continue talking about the movie I was just trying to defend the legacy of David
Starting point is 00:53:28 care of you protect us from legal action from his estate and the estate of his penis by saying that he was friends with a child murderer was fictitious yes but also saying i don't know if that actually oh nobody knows but hutchinson huh that fucking hog was out i have no idea no that was just a straight suey i have no it i forget it no because autoerotic is fixation i learned about it because of the michael hudgeon's it did it was a real like people do that it was that okay but i don't know Also, this would have to be a separate penis investigation for you about Michael Hudson. I'm telling you, five-part series. Next
Starting point is 00:54:03 week, we'll have an update. Bring on Kristen's mother to this woman Elaine, who was in the last movie. She sucks this lady. Is that the same actress? Yeah, it is. Okay. Suck the last movie, sucked in this one. Pretty great character of like the nasty mom. The nasty mom, you know, just like
Starting point is 00:54:19 Alice's father and fucking Mrs. Thompson, two movies, three movies back at this point. Just like all these Elm Street parents. She's a boozehound. She's a crippling boozehound. I love the line that, because basically, like, she drags her away from the Kruger house.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Like, we're going back. Blah, blah, blah. Oh, right. She does a pullover. Get away from that fucking house. Yes, that's right. You're going to have dinner with me. Dinner, uh-oh, has been drugged. She realizes that she's been drugged. She's screaming. And you and your fucking tennis pals burn this guy. And it's killed
Starting point is 00:54:51 all of us. You've killed all of us. It's pretty awesome. Tennis pals, I love. That's a version of this story. Hey, Muffy, do you want to go burn that child, molester? You know, he's gone off on a technicality deal. Yeah, I am his lawyer, but I don't agree with what he did. You know, we burn people every Friday night, why not him? Popper, Popper, Popper, let's go.
Starting point is 00:55:11 I want to have my asshole nice and loose when we burn that pedophile to death. Yeah, we'll go to the club. We'll pick up a bear cub on the way. They'll burn a pedophile, then take a flight later. Of course you've got to get it back. Who's going to handle the matches? You wouldn't believe what I found. A whale was beached.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Mothy, I decapitated another whale. Let's take a look at it before we go and burn that pedophile. Now, you all put on your rain jackets while I put this whale head on our car and start driving. Is it being rich, awesome? It makes you the best kind of person. You don't get some whale blood in your mouth. I'm sorry, Kik. Don't worry about the smell.
Starting point is 00:55:56 kids. Soon enough, the town's going to be filled with the smell of burning flesh from that child fucker we're going to kill. You know, I'm sure whale blood is a delicacy in some culture. You should feel lucky, kick. See, kick, you're better than everyone. You don't see them with whale blood, do you? Now, who wants to make up a sorry about a dead
Starting point is 00:56:14 bearcum? All right, step one, we burn the child molasses. Step two, the bear cup. Step three, no more Jews in the club. Step four, steakhouse dinner. Step five, 40 minutes later, get on a plane. Oh, man. It's just...
Starting point is 00:56:35 Hi, Freddy. Yeah, totally. I think they fucking swap vocal cords. But so she passes out, and then she's not... As she's going to sleep, she's like, you know what? I can control my dreams. I think that's what Alice says to her. Like, she's like, you know, I can control my dreams.
Starting point is 00:56:51 If I think about it hard enough. Yes, I imagine I'm in a good place. Yes. whatever it is. Think of someplace nice. Think of someplace nice. It's the beach, which is lovely. Not too bad. Yeah, someplace fun. That's good. The beach can be fun. The beach can also get oil spills on it and, you know, other such things. Things like that. Or you could deal with Freddie and Orca, the killer whale. She wakes up in a fucking Corona commercial dude. Like, she's sitting on the beach with Eli Manning and Snoop Dog. It's so fucking cool. I like the
Starting point is 00:57:19 Freddy with the, as the shark club. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Because it looks, you know, it kind of looks like is the claw from creature from the blackling moon. Like it looks like an amphibian kind of reptilian possible. Again, this is, this one works really well because it's Rennie Harlan's thing,
Starting point is 00:57:39 which is everything is really bright and clear, which works really well in a beach setting. And you've never really seen Freddie Krueger during the day. It's like, oh wow, I'm really seeing Freddie Krueger. It's cool. And kind of for the first time. He put sunglasses on. Yes. This is the famous gaffe, of course. Yes. Absolutely. It's like the Zodiac killer when he kills that couple.
Starting point is 00:57:58 You know, you don't think something like that happens in the daylight, but then it happens. It's so cool seeing Zody. Zodi just fully lit, you know? Yeah, and the whole black outfit. I'm fucking due. I'll tell you what. Yeah. I feel it.
Starting point is 00:58:10 I feel it. There's a rewatch coming. It's been a while since you killed. You are due. Freddie, get out of the water. Freddie. We're almost done cooking the dog. Come on.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Come on, Freddy. Eat up. We got to get a go on it. This guy is weird. Oh, no. that's Jason. Let's get Gage dog. I basted it.
Starting point is 00:58:29 I based it at all. You sick fuck, you killed my co-worker. There's a terriaki here on the leg. Yeah, he puts the sunglasses on, which is great. And he just,
Starting point is 00:58:41 like, she is stuck in quicksand, and he just steps on this girl's head and pushes her. And that should be the end of it. Like, that should be the kill, but it's a character
Starting point is 00:58:49 from the previous movie. You got to give her a little larger of a send-off. She winds up in the boiler room. And this is what he's like, call someone. If you don't call someone, we don't really have a movie, so you'd better call to someone. Would you
Starting point is 00:59:01 like to use your lifeline? Just imagine, you know, like, you want this thing to continue, don't you? You can't have a 32-minute movie. So you're going to phone a friend, right? 50-50? How does that help? Okay, here's the thing. You call someone in, and I'll take care of your mother, too. That's a deal. Done deal. Okay, I'll bring someone in
Starting point is 00:59:22 fresh meat bait for you. and you kill my mother and I'm cool. I'm cool physically and you stuff. All right. Actually, that's kind of great. That's an idea. Now that's a movie. Yes. She's into it and she's helping him or maybe it's like he's
Starting point is 00:59:37 blackmailing her and it's like I won't kill you and I'll leave your friends alone. If you start getting other kids and she's just like going to chess club meeting. She drops by the drummer department. You know like getting all these fresh victims for it because she's being blackmailed by a ghoul. I like it. I mean like or like
Starting point is 00:59:53 maybe it's time for the parents to finally fucking get it. Let's own up to it. That would be great. Yep. Absolutely. But no, she goes into a gasoline lake. Yeah. It's happening in a furnace. It's less about the vengeance. This clearly tells you everything you didn't know about Freddie Kruger. He cries a big
Starting point is 01:00:09 game about, oh, I was burned alive, and I was acquitted, blah, blah, blah. It's less about the vengeance than it is in the young flesh. Yeah, that's true, because he loved kids. He was just a, he was great with kids. He was. He had a way with they said, they just said
Starting point is 01:00:25 killer. That could, that's wholesome compared to the alternatives. Freddie, you ain't going to eat these dead kids? There's just so much meat here. We could just use all this. Come on. Get it in my back car. We'll go to Central Park. We'll barbecue it up. Also, because it's
Starting point is 01:00:43 1988, we're throwing out pop culture lines from commercials and shit. Oh. Because yes, he's, he's encouraging her to bring other kids into the dream. But he asks her to reach out and touch someone which if you're as old as we are.
Starting point is 01:01:01 That was the AT&T slogan for many a years. AT&T reach out and touch someone. And Alice's like oh thanks. Why don't you leave me the fuck out of it dude? How about that? Could you please not do not summon Dennis Miller? Whatever you do, just don't do that. Oh, Freddy, you got to call 10, 10,
Starting point is 01:01:17 2.20, babe. Oh, we can eat him too. We're just to fry him up. Mmm, tastes like post-9-11 Islamophobia. Now, that hair tastes good with the grease. With Alice in this Lake of Fire, it's like Caesar crossing the Rubicon, babe. You know what, do it. So he can't kill the parents, right?
Starting point is 01:01:38 Because they're too high every night and they don't dream. Oh, hey. Perfect. They're taking the Andrew Jubid Express to Wonderland. Dude, that's what's going on. The gin cocktails and the biggest blip on Earth. Oh, I think you're having a threesome with Tom Collins. You guys just programmed by night.
Starting point is 01:01:57 We're going to see those dreams go away. There you go, dude. Yeah, so she brings in Alice. She does a cool Hadoogan, which gives her the, she's like, you know, I don't need these dream powers. They're about to be murdered and go to hell. Why don't you take them? And this is where I was like power transference,
Starting point is 01:02:13 just because you deemed it. It's such a sloppy beginning for what becomes, again, it becomes very prototypical after here. Once it gets leveled out. a little bit. You're like, oh, it's a movie. Yes, exactly. But it is just like tripping on its own dick with all of these dream power rule setups or
Starting point is 01:02:28 not setups. It's either a direct sequel to the third one or it is not. That is, that's all, that's the question and you have to answer that. And why did you hate Kincaid and Joey so much? And that the woman who replaced Kristen there whatever night, Tina Knight, what's her name? Tuesday night. Tuesday night. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:45 I can't believe I forgot that. But she's dead. Oh, Freddie Burns are here. She gets thrown. into the boiler which as Chris pointed out appears to be filled with gasoline which is a weird place to put gasoline just a whole lake of it in there I don't know what that was about
Starting point is 01:03:00 while she's in there she gives her power to Alice right shoots out you're gonna need this I'm dying now I do love when Alice wakes up something that happens all the time every time a character dies at this point forward it's very weird we cut to Alice in her bedroom
Starting point is 01:03:18 taking the fucking photograph off the mirror like it's some sort of reality show but i do like this first one she takes it off and it's a picture of christin with freddie and they're like arm and arm and it just says greetings from hell and then it's then it goes on fire which is a nice touch it's pretty great yeah and i mean so my question with freddie again now with the now that everything's out the window with the whole vengeance thing it's only her friends like what if i'm in class with her knowing about talk to her like can you get me then like what's what what are what are what are the rules here frederick I guess if she knows your name.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Oh, that'd be trouble. But also, I feel like you've got to know. It seems to only work when they're also sleeping. Yes. Right? Yeah, she goes to sleep first and brings people into the dream, I guess. But they have to be sleeping also, yes. But everybody seems to be on the verge of sleeping in this time.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Well, because they're in nightmare right on the street for the dream warrior. To protect ourselves, we've got to sleep and shifts. I'll take first watch. Fair enough. All right. Yeah. And then we just do. If you start bleeding from your chest,
Starting point is 01:04:20 to wake you up okay yes please it looks like a dog's biting him but so Rick and Alice is like holy fuck like Kristen's in trouble we got to go to her house they run in and I got to tell you boy this mom's face is red after this huh because this girl has been
Starting point is 01:04:38 like you have sentenced me to fucking death you piece of shit whatever they open this door this girl is just on fire crispy critter in her bed LOL more hot bed action you imagine like You're going to write it off and you're brain like, oh, that's, she's smoking in bed. She was doing.
Starting point is 01:04:54 She's hot in the sheets. My mom knew a fella who was smoking in bed, lit himself right up. Can't do it. Yeah, you die? Oh, yeah. Crispy critter, dude, that guy. Oh, yeah. How do you not wake up?
Starting point is 01:05:07 I don't know. But then at a certain point, the monoxide gets you, now you're not going anywhere. Right, yeah, you're passed out. The silent killer. That's right. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah, so she's dead.
Starting point is 01:05:18 And then we have very quick. There's a couple of funerals in this movie, so I guess they don't want to waste time on all of them. This one's very quick, but you see she is being buried, and Kincaid has also been buried right in front of Heather Langenkamp and John Sacks' characters. That's weird. No, no, we have all the victims in one spot. I don't care what your family want. It's the Kruger plot. If you get killed by Kruger, dude, there's a special part of the cemetery for you.
Starting point is 01:05:42 And then a bunch of little graves for those little kids he killed before the events of the first one. Listen, Nancy, I bought them all. it's cheap. If we go to the Kruger plot, it's expensive anywhere else. Look, I got all for all your friends that you're helping, all right. We got Kristen's got a, Kristen's got a plot, Kincade's got a plot, even Joey's got a plot. Well, technically speaking, he does own them now. He owns all of these children. He has their soul. He has them on his breastplate. Don't ask yourself this. Don't you want to be buried next to Johnny Depp?
Starting point is 01:06:16 Who doesn't want to be buried next to Johnny Depp? Suddenly people are visiting your grave. Someone accidentally put some scissorhands on your grave. And now you fight Freddy Gruger. They bring you, they bring a bunch of sunfowls for him. Oop, one falls up onto your grave. Now you're special. Don't you want to be special in the afterlife, baby?
Starting point is 01:06:42 But yeah, so like then it's this, the nerd girl is the first one to get it, right? Sheila, yeah, so we go to school here with Sheila and she gives that bug device to That bug device Which comes back later It does nothing
Starting point is 01:06:58 Sorry it shoots force lightning It shoots force lightning But why and how It's supposed to she's like oh here's a sonic thing That'll keep the bugs away for you You know one one blast of this And they won't be anywhere near your house I don't believe you
Starting point is 01:07:16 yeah you built this overnight huh unless you're like some weird power nerd but I don't see that happening are you MacGiver she keeps talking about like oh I had to be up on light
Starting point is 01:07:28 studying this not the other thing if you're a power nerd you don't have to study because you're a power nerd exactly you've got it all you do have it all but you know learning
Starting point is 01:07:36 learning is fun with Freddie that's true that's actually true this is we also see around here is Alice realizing well the movie doesn't let you know exactly what's going on right away, but it amounts to
Starting point is 01:07:49 nothing. She, well, yeah, because she starts smoking and then she's like, wait a second, I don't smoke. That's the funniest. Kristen smoked and this notion of with each kid that dies, Alice gets their dream warrior power and thus takes
Starting point is 01:08:05 on characteristics of these people. So she has Kristen's nicotine addiction? Not the best delivery from our gal here. Wait a second. I don't smoke. Dude, it's bad. Like, she is Rachel Lee Cook doing a PSA.
Starting point is 01:08:21 It's like, you might as well be looking right at the camera when that's happening. But, yeah, it's like, oh, she, this is, the other thing is she uses an expression that Kristen has also used right here to Sheila. She says to Sheila, oh, looks like we have matching luggage this morning, meaning they, they both have bags under their eyes. And it's a, she's like, oh, you thank God, someone just like me. at the dream, right? You had the dream. And she's like, I was just them studying. What are you talking about? Here's a bug device. I'm a nerd.
Starting point is 01:08:54 It's so tis, poor girl. It's so bad. This is probably one of the worst deaths here. Just getting sucked into nothing. Yeah. Yeah. You're making out. Face. Yeah, let's suck face. Well, speaking of Beetlejuice, it's reminding me of
Starting point is 01:09:07 Beetlejuice, beetle juice. Oh, yeah. A lot of people getting sucked in that, too. It turned into little flesh bags. Like the end of hot shots. there. Yes. Lloyd Bridges is just talking to that dude and he's getting... The transfusion and he takes all of his blood so the guy deflates.
Starting point is 01:09:23 It's pretty great. Excellent films. By the way, both hot shots, rewatched them recently. Ooh, both of you did a back-to-back. Oh, yes, I did. Very good. But, yeah, she's not... Alice nods off, which means...
Starting point is 01:09:37 Sheila nods off and this is learning as fun with Freddy and, yeah, he wakes up. Want to suck face. And then after it's done, he throws... this human-shaped balloon on the floor and goes, you flunked. Do we get a bitch in here? The bitch comes a little later.
Starting point is 01:09:55 I don't think he calls this nerd girl a bitch. I think it's Deb that gets, because Deb really gets it. They really fucking put it all on her, I will say. Now, the way that this sort of appears in the real world what's happening here is so Freddie has sucked
Starting point is 01:10:11 all the air out of her one. She's having a massive asthma attack. This teacher, who just kind of watches a student die in her desk instead of like running and getting someone. They're all just crowded. It's basically the frame of say the line bar, but this girl is dying.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Now children, take some pictures. We want to document this moment for everybody. We want to have something for rotten.com in 20 years. For the yearbook? The teacher's more like, this history test is going to take itself, ladies and gentlemen. It's 20% of your grade. Yeah, but Sheila's dead.
Starting point is 01:10:47 We were all going to copy. 20%. Now, was this the Dream Masterclass? No, that's before. Which we should talk about. Yeah, there's, for a hot minute during, there's the Bob Shea moment. Later in the movie. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Oh, don't worry. We haven't passed by Bob Shea talking about philosophy yet this movie. Cannot wait. Your fucking characters can't go to sleep and your fucking audience is getting put to sleep with this performance, sir. I'm sorry to break the news for you there. Flop around on the floor. you want the history text has to be done by the time you leave today um but yeah so this is now we got it's alice rick dan and debby are the only four left here we get to alice is working late at the
Starting point is 01:11:28 craven and then this is where dan shows and this is embarrassing because it's like dan comes in and she's like oh fuck it's jock dan and he's like oh you're you're working you know you're working late or whatever and she's like i'm working late a lot because i'm not i'm trying not to sleep I've been telling you this, you know, blah, blah, blah. What did you say? I think the performance is more like, I, Dan, I Dan Johnson, big jock. I don't understand how this kid got cast.
Starting point is 01:12:02 There's a lot of handsome men in Hollywood, aren't there? Well, it's the fourth nightmare movie, man. Maybe it was just slim pickings that summer. The other ones know how to talk, this guy. Yeah, fair. But like, so he's, he's like, you know, working late, blah, blah, they're having like this talk or whatever. And then this other babe comes
Starting point is 01:12:19 into the diner and it's just like, Dan, we're gonna miss the movie. My piece here. I go now. Poor Alice just has to be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, fine. Don't sleep.
Starting point is 01:12:33 You die if sleep. It's true. But so then he says, is it Dan who makes a suggestion? Maybe Freddie can't get to the new kids unless there's someone who can bring them to him or does she say it? Someone in the scene says that. I'm like, oh, this is kind of what the movie's about. Oh, okay, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Oh, got it. But yeah, he just has to do like a, uh, guess I'll see you later then. Good luck with being haunted by that murderous demon. Bye. We gotta go see Roger Rabbit. I'll get involved later. Talk to you, shoot. Then we get this quick locker room moment where Dan's kind of talking to this other guy.
Starting point is 01:13:12 I love other guy here. Dude, and this guy's like all these fucking chuckleheads you're hanging out with, and this dude gives him the old up against the locker door. He's like, oh, man, everybody knows those guys are freakazzoids. Anyway, who cares if these kids are dying in my class? Right, yeah, yeah. No sense of like, oh, maybe I'm next. Nothing like that from this guy.
Starting point is 01:13:32 I mean, it's good. I mean, I know it's a little, maybe a little taboo to say, but when they die, I feel like I survived something. So I kind of like, I'm going to be honest, it's kind of cool. Each day I wake up Not Murdered is a victorious day for me In this school I saw my notes here
Starting point is 01:13:49 Dan when he goes to the Craven Says you got any gum Oh right He comes in he's like Excuse me miss do you have any gum And she turns That's what it is though right Because that sets her up
Starting point is 01:14:00 For thinking like this dude's interested Because that's like a flirtatious Surprise it's me You know Gum doesn't mean gum But Miss and Roger Rabbit I love This is when
Starting point is 01:14:12 Rick is fall asleep on the toilet so they're very familiar with. And this is Bob Shea's happening at the same time. We cut from the locker room where another franchise staple asshole gym teacher character this guy comes out of nowhere and he's like, get the fuck out of the field, you're fucking losers!
Starting point is 01:14:28 And I was like, whoa, buddy. You could just say gym teacher. They're all assholes. I mean that's that's the thing is... Allegedly. This is Rick and Dan walking out together. They get yelled up by the gym teacher after the full of fight. And like, this, Rick has charisma. of it, he just goes like, hey man, I guess
Starting point is 01:14:44 if I make it, if I make it I'll see you at lunch or whatever, you know what I mean? Like, Dan's like, oh, what did you do with your face? I was smiling. Oh, okay. Oh, faces can do that. Dan love Rick. Dan hope Rick okay.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Dan know like me and gym teacher. Rick eyebrow move without face? Now I just might be an unfrozen caveman lawyer but I've got more facial expressions than this guy
Starting point is 01:15:17 it's brutal but yeah so this is Bob Shay given this fucking lecture about Aristotle and boy oh boy like vaguely dream master is like oh there's a master of dreams it starts like something like that does get thrown in there but he's also talking about Aristotle
Starting point is 01:15:34 I guess Aristotle came up with the Aristotle thought your soul roamed free in dreams there are two gates one positive one negative key element dream master guards the positive gate and protects the sleeping host and yes it's going to be on this point at these are the theories he thought up when he came to sand demas these were some of the ones he was he was letting out they were a little hot little hot new ideas so crates too so crates uh but uh yeah this moment it's weird because this movie 1988
Starting point is 01:16:09 10 years before this there was another very popular horror movie that had a boring class lecture where the teacher was explaining what turns out to be the themes of the movie because in Halloween it's like we're talking about good and evil
Starting point is 01:16:24 they always try to sneak that in though yeah yeah it just made me think of a better movie and I got a little frustrated in Dream Language we always hear of the revenge of Michael Myers how it can come about in the positive gate and the negative gate. And our Aristotle always said that there was a key master and then a gatekeeper that they would
Starting point is 01:16:46 have to join unions in order for Gozer, the Gozerian, to bridge the gap into this world. There would be a great pyramid and then, oh, God, I forget the rest of it there. But can we, can we hurry this thing up? Something, something burnt dogs. But yes, Rick is like, hey, I'm going to fall asleep, listen to this dude. crazy producer of the movie why don't I go to the bathroom yeah and yeah sleeping on the toilet
Starting point is 01:17:13 I gotta say a couple of times over the years never do it dude never it's a big mistake I've gone in not to go to the bathroom at all but just like there's been like I would be like at the old office and I had a fucking headache I would go down to like the like lesser used bathroom
Starting point is 01:17:29 single single toilet situation lock that door sit with the lights off just kind of like get everything out Do you, now, did you sit on it just with your pants on or did you go full ass on this? No, no, just pants up, just sitting there. That's good, because if you fall asleep at a toilet, there could be snakes and alligators coming up there. Yeah, you got to be careful, dude, gators are good shit. They go right up your bum.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Yeah, the whole gator just right up there because you took them poppers. They could. They got a very sharp nose. Well, that's what you think of every time you use a public restroom, Eric. Yeah, well, I wish. The horrors of a public restroom Far worse. But the problem is Freddie turns it into like,
Starting point is 01:18:12 oh, here come all these cheerleaders and laughing at Rick on the toilet. It should be like he reaches this up, grabs him from the inside. Ooh, a good toilet tug. Exactly. It's a pretty shitty way to die. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:26 Like the end of Alien Resurrection, but with a toilet. And if like, through it. Freddy's like struggling to do it. He's like, looks like we might have a clog. Exactly. Some nightmare plunger situation. Oh, Freddy's face is the plunger.
Starting point is 01:18:40 Train spotting has a good nightmare. Yeah, that's a good point. Oh, wait. I think that actually might happen in a street trash or whatever. Oh, yeah. Street trash where the homeless people are melting because of the goo. I think one gets like sucked into the toilet and like its face is like in the hole for a minute and then it goes flushed down. That's pretty fun.
Starting point is 01:19:00 That's possible. Sounds right. Yeah. It wouldn't be something that's, you know, that's, you know, that's, treasurer was above. It's been a while since I've seen that movie. Wonderful film. Cheerleaders are laughing at him and they drag him out into this dojo here.
Starting point is 01:19:13 Man and cue the fucking Japanese tinged nightmare on Elm Street score. You got to do it. This is every you know, karate kid was so huge. You got to put Freddy and a ghee here. I'm sorry. That would be so much fun. Here's the big question. Here's the big question.
Starting point is 01:19:28 It's my biggest question mark in the entire movie. Yes, he would say racist stuff. If he got into that outfit um was was robert england not available at all the week they shot this scene why is he invisible yeah in i think this whole scene until the very end well the what they had to make sure they got the scene where he played the nurse
Starting point is 01:19:55 oh yes and he he wanted that before he was like you know what we'll just use it for that scene and we don't have to worry about this ninja scene at all But it's insane because he's just like, true warriors don't need to see their opponent or whatever. And it's just, you hear him. Yeah. There's a whole friggin fight scene between Rick and Freddie, and it's just this poor kid doing karate moves by himself.
Starting point is 01:20:19 It didn't sound very karate. It sounded more Jedi when it's just like, yeah, with the blast shield down, you can't see anything. That's the point. He's knocking Freddy around with this. The fucking car did nothing, but this kid's fucking fists and feet are doing, fucking work. Dude, it's karate. I mean, maybe, or maybe he's just getting hit in the face and
Starting point is 01:20:37 quietly laughing, you can't fucking see it. And then, like, the glove comes out. Yes. After he gives him a little bit of a beating and the kid talks shit to the glove and the glove, no, now I'm remembering it. He doesn't appear in the scene at all. The glove launches itself like thing from the Adams family up into his gut and fucking kills him. And then it cuts to Alice waking up screaming and the fucking windows in her room explode. And I'm like, one, did that? actually happened, but also, like, yeah, did Robert England, like, have a cold that week? Because, because, uh,
Starting point is 01:21:08 why, ran, ran, I could, I could not get out of bed, dude. I am just, I mean, I'll tell him that, but the script, look at this, I'm wearing a geese. It's fucking embarrassing, saying weird, racist stuff. I'm sick. How many sushi jokes can we put in here, really?
Starting point is 01:21:25 No, I mean, that's, that's a good point. Maybe, you know, he was like, I'm not going to put this on. Yeah. Fine, we'll do voiceover. You know, it's just so weird that he's that present as the actor playing the character for the scene. I don't understand it. Bizarre. Maybe I should watch the DVD commentary.
Starting point is 01:21:42 You should. See if Rennie shed some light on it. Is Rennie doing it? Oh, I don't know. Oh, okay. I mean, I have, like that. I think it's the dog, Jason. It's the dog barking in the background for an hour and a half.
Starting point is 01:21:55 I'd love that, actually. It's like a fucking Joe Panteliano cameo video. Shut up over there. Shut up, Jason. I'm making $300 shut up Stop yapping It's by Doug Jason We're getting the roof of place
Starting point is 01:22:08 He's pissed off about it Jason Yeah so that's all weird But so then like Do those windows explode Because you don't have psychic powers So why are these windows I'd be pretty pissed off
Starting point is 01:22:20 It's very expensive How am I gonna pay for this now You gotta schedule these guys Like two months out You gotta put up a tarp You can't make a hamburger Worth the damn and you can't keep these windows together.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Well, the dad kind of comes to Jesus a little bit, right? He's like, it's just you and me now. Well, yeah, we do have the funeral for Rick, and it's a really weird, like, again, this is her daydreaming, I guess, because he pops out of the coffin and it's like, oh, baby, yeah, totally. He does a big bopper.
Starting point is 01:22:53 He does a big bopper impression. He was also a guy who famously died, but really lived. Or at least projected his voice from beyond the grave. Is that right? Yeah, I assume so. Oh, all right, yeah. I thought there was, like, recording somewhere.
Starting point is 01:23:08 This is like White Noise 3. I would love that be unsolved mysteries. The Big Bopper. Big Bopper. Update. That was just someone's stereo playing really loudly. I can't believe we did a whole segment on it. It should be great.
Starting point is 01:23:22 It was like, update. Mathematically, the Big Bopper definitely has to be dead now. If he didn't die when we said he did, really it's been about 112 years. So it doesn't matter. I don't care what Joe Bob Briggs said. He's dead. He's definitely dead. Update Elvis, too. Has to be. Has to be.
Starting point is 01:23:41 She says here, yada, yada, mind over matter. And then she's like, that was a thing that Rick used to say. Oh, good. What's happening? Every time she does, she listen to the camera, like, isn't this a story or something? Isn't this weird camera? Who's behind this? that camera.
Starting point is 01:24:02 It's weird. It's like I'm them, but I'm me. We did, we miss the Robert England and Drag, or did we not? We did not. Oh, it's coming up. Yeah, that's happening. Yeah, we get the, hello baby, all that crap. It's awful.
Starting point is 01:24:15 Oh, this is where she also acquiring a lot of powers from her dead brother. She just picks up those nun chucks. Yes. It's like a quick learn kind of a thing. And then she's trying to get Debbie in on this, you know, we're going to defend, whatever. and she's like, oh, I'm afraid, like, you want me to be afraid of this night stalker? Yes.
Starting point is 01:24:35 He's not a night stalker. And I also be, if I'm Debbie, I'm like, why don't you do me a huge fucking favor and forget my name? You know what I mean? Like, this is all on you. You keep dragging our good friends. I barely know you.
Starting point is 01:24:47 I knew you through Sheila. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Sheila liked you, and I would talk to you occasionally. I never really cared for you that much. And how is Sheila? She's dead. Is that right?
Starting point is 01:24:58 And he's not a knight stalker, okay? this is not Richard Ramirez. You wish it was. I thought whenever this scene happens, I thought that was, she was making a Nightstocker reference for a second, but I was like, no, they're in fucking Ohio,
Starting point is 01:25:10 never mind. Well, I mean, do you think Randy Harlot knows the difference to Ohio in California? Do you think someone who would definitely
Starting point is 01:25:16 fucking put that dude in place because he's a nothing director at this point? Like that, that would happen. But you think Bob Shea's going to let that fly? I don't think so. It could be a copycat, right?
Starting point is 01:25:26 Ooh, sure. Nightstocker, too. Ohio Bougaloo. Like the movie. Copycat. Oh, previous episode. 105 years ago. Heard of copycats.
Starting point is 01:25:37 We're out there. So she goes to the movies another thing to sort of keep herself up. I do love this because she walks in this theater. One, this gorgeous movie palace playing Reefer Madness. That's pretty funny.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Important film. So weird and so weird that people are attending. Public domain night of every Wednesday. Free as far. We get a really cool shot of this Pepsi and popcorn being sucked towards the screen. Well, I thought they're traumatized you. Because, yeah, well.
Starting point is 01:26:06 Your best friends are being just, this is like, Andrew, watching a dog get killed. They're like, no, not the popcorn of the soda. Well, the popcorn, yes, but the Pepsi, it's like, yeah, okay, well, it's not Dr. Pepper. That's fair. But I wanted to talk about this at length now, specifically, because I think this represents the perfect size bucket of popcorn, where it's just the size of like when you go to like a regal now or an AMC and you get a soda it's a gigantic soda that big this is that's the size of this popcorn bucket it's not a giant bucket I can actually hold it in one hand yeah that's the move I love that shitty bag and I know yeah exactly it's not a shitty bag and you know what just charge me a little less and give it to me in the cup well I'm already seeing a problem here Eric you do not have a face on the the bucket that you can tell everybody I'm fucking the bucket.
Starting point is 01:27:00 Oh, right. The bucket flow in me. I'm fucking the bucket. Those cups are big enough. You could put a little like a dune worm sucky on the top of it. You know? Dune worms sucky. Yeah. Or you can put a terror fire mouth
Starting point is 01:27:15 is the new one. No, really? Oh, yeah. I can't imagine that movie's getting into enough theaters where they'd be stocking those things. Now, but I'm fucking him and he's sucking my dick. Also, that The popcorn guy He's sucking my dick
Starting point is 01:27:28 And I'm fucking up For Megalopolis It's Adam Driver With a bad haircut You can eat out of it Just explaining things to you Francis Why do we agree to this
Starting point is 01:27:39 Did we agree to this Francis do we agree to this Now all you got to do Is just if you open your mouth Like pretend You're doing like a silent lion roar Okay And hold it there
Starting point is 01:27:50 They're gonna take a picture of it And then that mask Is gonna be your face For the popcorn bucket fist thing. I don't know what these kids are doing. Please, please. I sold my vineyard for this. Please. Please. I'm seeing it back on the popcorn kid. Please.
Starting point is 01:28:03 Oh, I'm seeing it in I, Max. Dude, you better believe it. I'll pay the highest ticket price for this thing. I'm excited. Hell yeah. And we're only going to have two months before they bring in the Timothy Shalameh as Bob Dylan, do you want to fuck it or suck it popcorn box? It will happen eventually. You want to fuck it. That's what you press a little thing on the side and it just says that in a bad Bob Dylan
Starting point is 01:28:25 impression. Yeah, just another Twitter post. Now, I'm fucking it. No, it's sucking my dick. Well, listen, if you're doing the Bob Dylan one, Timothy Shamelay's a little guy, give it to me in the cup. Oh, okay. You do a little quarter-ray jacket on it?
Starting point is 01:28:39 That's true, because, you know, the ad-up driver, that's the extra large. Yeah, yeah. It's a wide guy. A little jacket around the corners. I like that. Yeah, totally. All of the twink-sized pop-part plays. A little play guitar in the front.
Starting point is 01:28:51 I'm liking all of this. But I'm fucking it. I'm sucking it. So speaking of sucking, Alice gets sucked into the screen. This does, in some respects, feel like a commercial for going back to the movies or some sort of like, you know, like Dolby, Premiere X, now you're in the movie or whatever it is. I'm going to salute it for five years. That's not funny anymore. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:29:17 I was, dude, the other day, I forget what the, oh, I think it was a trap maybe. It was, no, something more recently. I saw something and there were like two people in a huge theater that did it and I was like guys it's over it's over just please
Starting point is 01:29:33 you should have gone down there and given them wedgies I'm not messing with people physically no we're film bros now oh I see oh got it did someone call us that on Reddit and repeating it of course I assume
Starting point is 01:29:45 I mean this is the only times she goes she wakes up and she gets stuck to the Craven diner and it's her working there as an old lady. It's the only time Freddie ever gets, like, existential nightmare, it's like, it's your worst nightmare. You turned
Starting point is 01:30:01 into your mother. It's actually kind of sad. It's actually, it's emotionally hitting me, too. Oh, it's just, you're just stuck in a dead end job like that. It's just a side of bad communication, and I've had those issues, too,
Starting point is 01:30:17 my entire life. You just don't know how to say things sometimes. A thankless job. It's tips like that. Then you're drinking like your dad did. Oh, man. Oh, Jesus. If I were you, I'd figure it out. And then you just want to tell RFK Jr., no, I don't want to do that.
Starting point is 01:30:36 I don't want to eat another dog. You know what I'm going to do you a favor and kill you. Freddie comes in. He orders pizza at this diner, which I would not order pizza. No, diner pizza. I mean, what are you doing? What are you doing, Freddie? Ohio pizza.
Starting point is 01:30:52 Oh, even worse. I don't order pizza unless pizza is the star. Unless, like, you know what I mean? Like you're in a pizza restaurant. Exactly. A restaurant that is, that is predominantly known for pizza. Like a pizzeria, a pizzeria, you would call it. You want to sell a fucking calzone on the side, some chicken parm sandwiches, whatever.
Starting point is 01:31:09 The star of the show has to be the pizza pie. And then, but then you'll get this, sometimes you go to an Italian place. It's kind of weird where they do both and you're like, well, which one are you known for? Both what, the calzone? Well, no, they'll do pasta and they'll do pizza. and they'll do pizza. The pasta, well, it depends on how nice is it. Is the pasta expensive?
Starting point is 01:31:28 If it's not, it's a ruse. It's to trap you. Don't get the cheap pasta. But, like, I'm thinking back, the last, like, sit-down, nice Italian I had was Johns in the East Village, major mafia murder spot. Love it. And they have really good pasta.
Starting point is 01:31:45 But I believe there is also a pizza option. And that is not what I'm there for. Exactly. And I don't trust it. Even though it's all fucking off the boat Italians, running the place, whatever. I don't trust it. I'll get your pasta. I'll get your, you know, your nicer dishes and whatever.
Starting point is 01:31:59 You focus on what they're known for. But there's bad fucking pizza everywhere, first of all. So this, he orders a kid pizza. Not a kid's size, but a pizza with kids on. Kid ball pizza. Kid ball pizza. It's basically. They serve that at Epstein's.
Starting point is 01:32:14 Epstein's Pizzeria. Oh, God. Yeah, that's definitely bad pizza. Yeah, we do have a basement, actually. And like those liars We're the real deal No, like it's a pizza It's I guess a meatball pizza
Starting point is 01:32:29 It looks like we're putting Green sauce all over it though And when he goes He takes this kid's little head And the meatball Which is the brother Yeah Rick the brother
Starting point is 01:32:40 And it looks like You're watching Fred Kruger Eat Escargo Yeah That's not great It's the grossest part of the It doesn't look appetizing. But escargo, very good.
Starting point is 01:32:53 Delicious. Love it. I need it every day of my life if I could. And I might turn into a snail if I did that. Just to be clear, monkey pizza I would eat. Kid pizza, I would not. I'm still a hard no on both. Unless it's brain, because that would give you powers.
Starting point is 01:33:09 Powers. That's true. Great line from Freddie here. He eats this meatball. He goes, I love soul food. Which I'm glad that it's a joke about a soul and not a meatball made out of a black person. Yeah, so he's He's eaten a Jamaican beef patty or something. I love soul food.
Starting point is 01:33:25 Because as we know from 2003's Freddy versus Jason, that dude's got problems. He does. And it's also like, he's from Ohio. But then he's sitting down and they're like, we're in this together. Thanks for bringing me all these delicious souls. You got to get out there. You need to make more friends. This is up to you now.
Starting point is 01:33:41 The whole Elm Street thing that has driven the franchise for three and a half movies is now over. It's you, Alice. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. This is the scene. this is where it should happen. She has just had a glimpse of her miserable-ass life peddling omelets and fucking cold coffee
Starting point is 01:33:57 for the rest of her days. And he has to say, because he's a liar, trickster demon, I can help you avoid that fate if you just give me, give me, give me. Yeah, bringing me all the kids' brains. And then you'll be popular, you'll get AIDS or whatever. Exactly, dude.
Starting point is 01:34:14 And then it's like fucking teen wolf, man. She's just the king of the school. She's fucking surfing on that car. She's the captain of the basketball team, you know? That's an interesting thing to do with this movie. That's on Wishmaster's block, though. You got to watch your step there. He might come at you.
Starting point is 01:34:31 Oh, Frederick Kruger. Why don't you take two steps back, motherfucker? No, yeah. I'll see you at RFK's place next weekend. Yeah, no, no, I'm coming. I'm bringing the Coastlaw, and I'm making it full of children's brains. Me and the Wishmaster, where I'm going to paint her Luger's stagas. And I made a wish that they finally.
Starting point is 01:34:50 I don't like walking around with 4,900s, you know, and it's kind of a noxious. No, actually, I know all the demons in the aftermath. I do not know how to fix that fucking voice. No idea how to do it, their RFK. I'm sorry, you have to deal with that. I wish I could do it for you, brother. The idea that anyone thought that guy was going to be present. Ooh, he's a kidding.
Starting point is 01:35:15 I'm not, but you, give me out, monkey, give me out, monkey brain. It's dog, but you're crazy. I just don't. Just because someone's got a name. It wasn't a dog, okay? Yes, it had a bone that only dogs have. Yes, yes, that's true, but it's not a dog. It's just, it's bonkers.
Starting point is 01:35:36 I mean, you sort of did it already, Steve. I'm going to just, like, steal it again. But it's like, bha! Bow, bow, bow. No, you can't, dog. You can't address the nation. Someone thought that guy could address a nation. Maybe if you, you know, you're right, a beautiful.
Starting point is 01:35:50 letter. Yeah, that's good. Someone else read it. My fellow America. Yeah, here's my wife, Cheryl, who refuses to denounce me. I mean, it was a, it was a joke candidate, just like all of them. Yeah, so this is, we're racing to
Starting point is 01:36:05 the Debster's house here. Right, because Freddie says your shift is over alluding to some line Debbie said earlier, so now. Oh, right, yes. Debbie is on the hot spot. Yes. And now she's working out. Yes. And, uh, you do not want Freddie Krueger to spot you.
Starting point is 01:36:22 No. No, no, no, no, no. This is a great, I love these exchanges that he has with these victims. Sometimes she goes, I don't believe in you. And he goes, I believe in you. And starts pushing this fucking weight down on her. That's nice of him. Till her arms snap backwards.
Starting point is 01:36:40 Ooh, it's Pierce, Prasland and Dante's peak all over again. That's kind of enough. Do you really have to turn her into a bug? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. This is the real, like, is this two characters mixed together? because it's like weightlifter girl is totally fine like oh let's pump
Starting point is 01:36:54 some iron and then bug scared girl is like now you're a bug you know doing both is just sort of insane because Trisha is that the nerdy girl's name Sheila Sheila she is the one who's sort of right when when Debbie steps on the bug in the parking lot isn't she
Starting point is 01:37:12 like yeah you fucking got it like it's done if Freddie was like oh you fucking thought bugs were done huh or you thought that bug had another, and then like, because she's the nerd. Or if she's like, oh, you shouldn't do that. I mean, they're bugs, they're sweet. Oh, you like bugs,
Starting point is 01:37:28 do you? What do you be a bug? You fucking nerd? But no, so like, as her arms are ripping out, weird bug, like, arms are coming out, which is, this is like some crazy fun special effects. Not scary, more body-horrey, but fun, you know. I'll tell you this, it's a page
Starting point is 01:37:44 straight out of our commentary for this quarter, Silent Night, Deadly Night 4, because there's some fucking weirdo shit going on in that movie with turning into things and it's very, all those practical effects with the arms very much reminded me
Starting point is 01:37:59 of what goes on in that bonkers movie. Freddie's got a good line with this kill about the Roach Motel he puts her in, you can check in, but you can't check out and he squishes it. Yes. Bug juice. Pretty cool. I do like this. I like the inside of the Roach motel, her peal juice. She's like
Starting point is 01:38:16 stuck on the sticky glue trap you know. Her face rips off and then she's got a bug face. That's so... But now when she finally becomes a bug, does she, like, ever, like, right before she gets squish, maybe, like, come to terms with it? You know, like, this isn't so bad.
Starting point is 01:38:29 Oh, you need more than 15 seconds for that, though, dude. She just started dreaming as a bug of flies and shit, and now he's got to go into the bug worlds to kill. Oh, shit. I do also imagine you would still be an agony from your face just really. Oh, right, right, right. Even if you were a bug, you'd still be feeling the after effect. Yeah, Gregor Stampso woke up that way.
Starting point is 01:38:49 That's easy. It's the rip-off It's the real problem Yeah, if you sleep through the rip-off Sure, like he did, it's fine Oh man, do you think that that's what happens In that story is Freddie Krueger got him And he's like, oh, you hate bugs
Starting point is 01:39:00 Huh, Gregor Samsa, here it comes Now you're going to be a bird to your family Which is kind of what the whole story's about Based upon a novel by Franz Kafka Yes, exactly. Also around here, this kind of seems like a bit They left over from Wes's original idea
Starting point is 01:39:18 for this movie, which was bending time through dreams, because this just starts, I'm like, this is dumb as dick, and you didn't set this up at all. She's like, oh, Freddie has us in a time loop right here, because this is when it's like,
Starting point is 01:39:34 Dan shows up at the diner, and she's like, we got to go, I'm driving, we got to get to Debbie's house, and then when they get there, she runs across the street and they cut, and I forgot that this, it's been a while since I've seen this, I forgot that this happened in the movie, and I was like, did I like AppleStream? a fuck up for a second? I like
Starting point is 01:39:50 the scene. It's a very dream logicy thing which this movie doesn't do a lot of. I mean, and Wes is very obviously interested in that. That first movie is a lot of more like actual stuff that happens in dreams as opposed to being turned into a bug. And it's cool, but to your point, like it needs to be bigger, it needs to
Starting point is 01:40:06 sort of make sense. It just sort of happens for a minute and then we don't talk about it. Well, because also they're not sleeping right here. No, she's I think she's asleep, right? Someone's got to be asleep. I think they fall asleep behind the wheel of the car or something? Because that's when
Starting point is 01:40:22 the crash happens? Right. Because this crash eventually, it's a real crash. They crash into Freddie. I guess they're like, oh, let's ram him or whatever. And the car bends around nothing, which is a cool effect. It's totally cool. And then they wake up and they've crashed into a tree. Yes. And Dan is seriously
Starting point is 01:40:38 But so someone was driving asleep at the, they were both asleep in a car. Don't think about it. I know, but I'm just saying, kind of dumb. This is what happened to David Caradine. Don't go down there around. And just like that. He was brought to surgery and was like, no, don't put me.
Starting point is 01:40:54 I just want to feel, put a stick in my mouth. Yes. I'll bite down on it and you just do what you're going to do. Use a scalpel, just cut right through my flesh. I'll be awake. Oh, wait, no, you're giving me the gas. Just give me a local. And this is what's confusing about it.
Starting point is 01:41:07 So when they wrap the car around the non-tree, then there's ambulance comes. But there's like purple and yellow neon light all of it. It looks very unnatural. And I was like, so now this part's a dream? But then he falls asleep on the operating table. And that's the, so I mean, I guess that's what the movie's trying to do. It's just, ooh, you never know where Freddy's going to show up. But it's not that kind of a movie.
Starting point is 01:41:31 And it's a little too late for it. And I feel like all of this is just an accident. It's just poorly made, honestly. I don't think the movie's smart enough to be doing these Christopher Nolan-esque time-bending, you know, story threads intersecting and whatnot. To be clear, I originally wanted to. to be about a tough-talking detective and his koala partner. That was my original idea,
Starting point is 01:41:56 and they just took it in this whole new direction. Well, apparently he, Reddy Harlan said, one of the things to do was pitching, he's like, it's not so much about the kids anymore, it's about Freddie. Freddy is like the James Bond of this franchise, which I kind of, I would just, you know. What is that even mean?
Starting point is 01:42:12 I don't know. He's fucking a lot. Drinking. And this is the diehard of Nightmare and Amstreet. Please give me money. Please, I beg of you for more money. You mentioned Bond. You mentioned Nolan, like, like, inception.
Starting point is 01:42:24 Like, do some, like, Freddie and some type of political dream intrigue or something. Sure. I could see maybe, but that's not what any of these movies are. No, no, no, no, no. But, yeah, so he's rushed to the house. The other thing that I thought was weird about this was, like, why? I mean, like, they, they, someone calls an ambulance. They get to the hospital.
Starting point is 01:42:45 Like, her dad is there. How did that happen? You know, I guess... Honey, where's my food? He's been walking off and down. I just check in the hospitals because, I mean, you better be dead because it's 8.45 and I ain't got those dinners. But yeah, so it's basically they're going to put him under
Starting point is 01:43:03 because he's got internal bleeding or something they've got to look at. And he's fighting the gas, yada, yada, yada. She runs away to do some quick training. We've got like a montage of here. She's like looking at all... Now it's all the photographs. And I've absorbed all of their... And there's also like an empowerment moment because earlier in the movie, you know, her brother's, you know, with all those photos in the mirror, you can't really see yourself, you know, I don't want to see myself. And now she's taking them off, you see. And now she wants to see yourself because she's powerful. And she's stolen all of the will from her friends, which makes her better. I think all of that could be way more powerful and effective. If she wasn't getting
Starting point is 01:43:47 getting dressed or prepared or whatever. While they're playing what seems like an early draft of the Melrose Place theme song, there's just a wailing TV guitar going on. It's not great. It's really not. Not appropriate. But yeah, fucking A, she's ready to fight Freddy
Starting point is 01:44:03 or whatever. This is where we get Surgeon Kruger right here. He's got the mask on. Does he have a line here? Oh, yeah. Kruger? Well, it ain't Dr. Seuss. Yes, that's. Which I.
Starting point is 01:44:15 was she a medical doctor he's already been a nurse right that happened earlier yes that happened Robert England in drag she has to go to the nurse's office at one point
Starting point is 01:44:28 it's one of her like I'm screaming in a dream Robert England in drag so yeah Surgeon Kruger or whatever she sees what's going on and just like jumps through this mirror
Starting point is 01:44:44 into the dream world She does a new Kang flying kick right here. Hey, whatever. And this is what it's like, all of these movies are vaguely Catholics who are to Catholic church for some reason. Yeah. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:57 I forgot they all sort of kind of dabble. Kind of sort of, you know, that's this holy, I think Holy Water is what gets him in the last movie. Well, they ignore him in, oh, in the third movie. Yes, yeah. Yeah, because that's what John Staghanx has got to put Holy Water on this skelling. Oh, yeah, yeah. Take that, Aganot.
Starting point is 01:45:15 but here she is facing off Freddie. Welcome to Wonderland Alice. Oh Alice. I get it now. You've got their power. I've got their souls. Pretty good. And here's my chest of soul. The chest of souls is fun. Her connecting Sheila's
Starting point is 01:45:34 ultrasonic, whatever the fuck right here blows a hole in his chest temporarily. That was a nice waste of time. It's a sound device but she grabs a live electrical wire. That was just in this church. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, she connects it to this thing and it
Starting point is 01:45:49 shoots force lightning at him. Yes. This is a great weapon. We should be making it. Meanwhile, Sister Mary Pat's second grade class is looking on right after their communion. Yes, they are there all these little angels are just lined up in the coral box there.
Starting point is 01:46:06 What are those faces on his chest? Everybody! And she's like, oh, the whole movie she's been trying to remember this dream master nursery rhyme kind of thing and then she's like oh evil shall see itself and it shall die and she's got this mirror out of nowhere and now it's a mirror that gets it I mean like that's if the nursery rhyme is the thing it needs to be said in its entirety yes ever ever you know what I mean like and like then or it needs you based on a real nursery round
Starting point is 01:46:40 you might have heard like one two Freddy's coming for you you you put that at the start of the movie instead of the book of Job. Yes. Yes, exactly. And it's just old nursery rhyme. That's with the credit that you give. And then she fucking... Because it's like mentioned twice before this and both times nobody can remember it. And it's also now mirrors are doing, wait, what? And then he's
Starting point is 01:46:59 like, not a mirror, my biggest weakness all of a sudden. It's my weakness. It's my weakness of the week. And it starts letting all the souls like out and these little hands start ripping them up from the inside. It's like the shunt here. Yeah, it's very shunty. This is what you can see,
Starting point is 01:47:17 I believe, still at the Museum of the Moving Image here in the city and Queens. They have the big prop chest with the souls, which is pretty cool. Yeah. The odd thing, though, you see this credit? Who's credited here as one of these people? No. So did you notice there's a part
Starting point is 01:47:33 where all the bodies are like breaking out? I didn't. And there's one part where you see a lady kind of come up just a rocking set of tits. Oh, really? Yes. They hired Scream Queen legend Leanna Quigley just for this part. She's submerged
Starting point is 01:47:51 in a Matrix sack looking thing. She shoves her chest up against it and that's she's credited as like, you know, topless soul or something like that. I've heard of typecasting but tit cast. If there ever was an actress to be titcast as Leana Quigley. We had a
Starting point is 01:48:07 we had a tited lady on the waterbed. We want to bookend these things. It's the dramatically that's true that's true a titted lady Chris it's the titid lady
Starting point is 01:48:21 run for your life oh attack of the tited lady attack of the tited lady oh I'm done channel surfing I think I'll see what this is oh channel sitting now so yeah I love all these little
Starting point is 01:48:39 puppets making their way out of him I love how like every part of his body is sprouting arms, and there's the great moment where an arm sprouts out the back of his head and grabs the baseboard behind it so he can't go anywhere. It's cool. But what's funny, it's kind of cheesy and dumb, when they became a little ghost
Starting point is 01:48:55 danger, just like, well, freedom, goodbye, thank you. Y'all, the faces fly by her. Joey goes to hell anyway, like, I did some other shit you don't want to worry about. Don't check my room. There was a reason I was fooled by pussy this whole time. And then, yeah, she has a
Starting point is 01:49:13 good rest in hell and kind of kicks the glove away. Not too shabby. And then we just have this final Dan and Alice. I guess they're now boyfriend, girlfriend. We're married. No, Dan. Shh.
Starting point is 01:49:29 Be take wife. They're like walking by this fountain hand in hand. You know, he's like, oh, I slept like a rock last night, baby. And she's like, yeah, still trying to overcome the horrible adventure of the week so I'm not sleeping too great
Starting point is 01:49:45 but she does confirm she is sleeping and my brother was kind of my whole life and he's like definitely dead forever so that's pretty certain my dad's trying to get in bed with me in the middle of the night that's just awful he has not stopped drinking but yeah he's like
Starting point is 01:50:01 well why don't you make a wish about it maybe your fucking life will get better here's a penny and he goes to throw it in she goes to throw it in she sees reflection of the sweater. You don't see his face entirely. It's the sweater in the water. Uh, and it's like, oh, do you see something? I don't
Starting point is 01:50:21 I don't know. Maybe the sequel will tell us. Goodbye movie. Yeah. And that's just, that's, that's, that's the end of it. I think it's a cool enough ending shot. I like to see him like in the, in the reflection. It's, you know, he's out there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a same, you know, like, I think some of the men with like his, you just hear his laugh, like in, yeah, the first movie where the top goes over and you hears Laf as the car so it drives away there's like neat
Starting point is 01:50:45 things like that I mean it's a haunting last line of dancing I want a hot dog and French fries directed by Reddy Hartman and then credits it
Starting point is 01:50:56 and then we get I'm Freddy and I'm rapping a song oh man ready for Freddy with Freddie Krueger and the fat boys I gotta tell you
Starting point is 01:51:05 the music video worth watching the fat boys uh oh they accidentally walked into the Elm Street house and haunted stuff happens not the fat boys So is 88 the height of Freddie mania or was that was that more I mean obviously because like you know the six movies the 90s that's definitely what it's over with and that's why that movie is it's totally done I mean this is yeah I mean three's got docking on that soundtrack and I believe it was really successful this was the most financial successful this was like in the I think I read that it was I mean I might be mistaken but it was like seven weeks in the top 10 of the box oh wow yeah it was at least at top it was number one for the first three yeah but uh yeah you
Starting point is 01:51:42 Yeah, no, I mean, huge, huge movie. But, yeah, that song, I mean, it's fine, but I feel like, yes, that was, we are really in it. I mean, because it's, that was on MTV, it played all over the place, it was huge. And I don't think Five has a tune attached to it. Does it, Will Smith run afoul of Freddie at some point? Will Smith? The Fresh Prince. I'm almost positive. Oh, the, as the, oh, was Freddy on Fresh Prince or something?
Starting point is 01:52:12 No, I think there's a, he had another rap song. I've, I've just always known of Ready for Freddy the Fat Boys tune. A Nightmare on My Street, sung by DJ Jesse Jeff and the Fresh Prince. Oh, but that's, it's a, I've heard of that song. It's a Freddy thing. Yeah, he's using all of it, he's in the video and the whole bit. Now, when was this? This is, blah, blah, come on.
Starting point is 01:52:32 So maybe was this the tune for five? Possibly, that's a good question. Just five's probably right at 89, I'd say. Is there's also, in it? the song was released as a single early 1988 in cassette tape the song used describes an encounter with horror villain Freddy Krueger and was considered for the inclusion of Nightmare and Elm Street for the Dreammaster but the producers of the film decided against its conclusion
Starting point is 01:52:58 so in 1988 independently two rap songs about Freddie fucking Kruger now how funny is this though the Fresh Prince himself lost out to the Bat Boys as far as soundtrack placement. Wow. Rightfully so. Fat boys are superior. Oh, hell yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:18 This is, that's crazy. I didn't know that. This is like one of those Mandela effects. Yeah, I forgot about Nightmare on My Street. No memory of that at all. But that's the end of this movie. Yeah, they made a few more and then that dreadful fucking remake, which. We actually did a commentary track a few years ago to that movie.
Starting point is 01:53:35 That's right. That's absolutely right. But yeah, so that is the end of this. We'll go around the horn here. Final thoughts. on what is our first of many four-or movies this month, Eric Siska. Yes, I'm actually going to recommend this. I feel like I didn't like this years ago,
Starting point is 01:53:51 and I feel like I've come around to it. Maybe that's an indictment of the current state of everything. Sure. But, I mean, my Freddie rankings would probably be in order. One, two, three, four. We're just going down the staircase. But there's still enough here for me. I like, I think the special effects are kind of cool
Starting point is 01:54:11 and I just kind of had fun with it in a, you know, this is Halloween, you know, kind of funny, dumb movie. I had a good time rewatching it. I did not expect to, but I did. There you go. Chris Cabin. I like recommend it's actually I think one of the worst of the, I think I like five more than I like four.
Starting point is 01:54:33 Freddy's dead, I think is five, right? No, that's the next one after that. The dream child is the next one. Yes. Dream child, yes. Alice is pregnant with Caveman's baby. I have memory hold of Dream Child completely. We will get to it eventually.
Starting point is 01:54:46 But I like Freddy's Dead much more than I like this. And I just, it's a mess. Like the whole beginning waiting for him to come back. Like, is you kind of come back? It's the fucking nightmare movie. What do you think is going to happen? And that's stuff I find annoying. Just get to the meat of the thing.
Starting point is 01:55:03 And that's why I like three much more better because it's like, let's go. You set the table. Yes. for 30 fucking minutes for a hamburger fucking pizza is what I'm eating in here don't set the fucking get the candles out for it
Starting point is 01:55:18 wait a second did you time it is it actually 30 minutes until you see Krueger on screen I did not time that but it certainly feels like that yeah it's it just takes too long I kind of got annoyed once we're get going it's pretty good even with hey dad Johnson I love that
Starting point is 01:55:37 that guy. Steve Sadek. Yeah, to recommend. I am with Eric. It's one of my more positive nightmare movies. I would, you know, like, I think it is probably one, two, three, four all the way through, like, in that order. But it's fun enough. I think that the kills are good. You know what I mean? Like, I think Rennie Harlan understood to really put the, really go puppeteer crazy. Sure. And that's what this movie does. That's kind of fun to watch in this area. It's not scary at all. Logistically, it doesn't make any sense. It's annoying that we see. stop talking about Elm Street but it's a recommend uh yeah the lightest of recommends for me I really think I'm a one two three new nightmare fella oh and then
Starting point is 01:56:19 those them other three the back three movies I kind of just lump them all into a big ball of I don't give a shit and I to to what Eric was saying this did actually play a little better for me I looked on letterbox I did rate it much lower the last time I watched it which I think is probably when we did the the franchise rankings for these Yeah, I just, I agree with Chris. It's a little too messy for my taste. Some decent enough kills, but it does, and I mean, it plays this way, and you read about it, it was censored quite a bit. The Kincaid's death was much worse, and like, I want that stuff.
Starting point is 01:56:51 Where is my Johnny Depp Blood found? You know what? A great way to watch this movie is a Halloween party. You got all your friends there. You got this motherfucker on you. And it's just on, and everyone's kind of in and out of the room. Because it looks cool. It looks exactly.
Starting point is 01:57:05 Renny's got a good eye for something. It looks cool. And you just play the Will Smith song on repeat. When you really want people to leave, you put on this movie and that song on repeat. That is going to do it for this episode of the Halloween spooktacular here. Of course, we should say, if you want more spooky, we hate movies content, this technically is the first like, or no, this is the first, but the second coming out just a couple days for now.
Starting point is 01:57:31 If you're listening to this, the day this comes out, the Tuesday it comes out, just a few short days from now, movies all about Halloween for folks. As far as our forer movies, too. The real subtitle, the subtitle of the movie is the return of Michael Myers. Right. But the real subtitle is Loomis off the chain. Yes. Oh yeah. Our boys
Starting point is 01:57:49 going nuts. A good Loomis entry into the Halloween franchise. And that is a we like movies. Yeah. It's a we like movies. It's four or month. The fourth entry of a horror franchise. Can you actually love it? Exactly. And like we've been saying, folks, I mean, this is season 15. It's just everything's
Starting point is 01:58:07 blending together. The Venn diagram of love and hate just together. So anyway, that's going on over there. And also, if you had commercials on this, listen up at the $8 level or up on our Patreon. You can listen to all we hate movies episodes coming out ad free at the $8
Starting point is 01:58:23 level and up. So that's very cool. Now, I did mention it already. The commentary coming out at the back end of this month will be on a silent night, deadly night for the initiation. That's right. Brian Yuzna movie. Par excellence, real, real wild shit. If you're a crazy forehead,
Starting point is 01:58:39 you don't want to check out our virtual live show on Scream 4 on October the 23rd. Just go to WHMpodcast.com slash tour to get that information. That's right. That's going to be another West Craven joint we're talking about, not that this was one,
Starting point is 01:58:52 but in the world of West. But we will also offer some breaks from the four programming. We have once in a lifetime again this October covering Face of Evil. Is that right, Chris? I do believe so, yeah. face of evil, we're going to, I want to kind of keep it a surprise because it is a kind of
Starting point is 01:59:12 simple, the lifetime. The premise is kind of simple, but there's a nice little hook too. Oh, yeah. So just tune in, you know, and we'll have a lot of fun there. But, you know, we'll also do our regular programming that you know and love, like the Nexus, the, our, the Gleap Glossary. The Gleap Glossary, covering X-Arcon, the first Sith to have a life. a double-edged lightsaber. Like that. Love that guy. All you guys were watching, like, it was a trailer for Phantom Menace came out,
Starting point is 01:59:41 and you were like, whoa, so cool, double-edged lightsaber. And I was like, I've seen it before. That's what I was saying in 1999. And right now, on the top tier, we are doing too old for this shit. It's back. We were talking about the Penguin week in and week out. I think they weirdly aired one episode two weeks ago,
Starting point is 01:59:59 and now it's going to go weekly. I don't know what that is about. I think the HBO was airing a football game or something. what that's about. Yes, but we are covering the show The Penguin in full and also, you know, we have our Melrose Place and 902N0 side show where we'll be covering just
Starting point is 02:00:14 the Melrose Place season two finale. That's right. We are finally at episode 31 of season two. It is the 90 minutes season finale. So this month's Melro 2 and O is all Melrose Place action baby. And we're sad to say these are not
Starting point is 02:00:30 in season four. No, no season four. Jump to season. No, no, no. Although we are in season four of TNG, where I do recall the episode we'll be talking about, we haven't recorded it yet, it's an episode where the Enterprise crew meets a woman on a planet who's controlling the society because she is telling them she's the literal devil.
Starting point is 02:00:51 Love that. So it does sort of fit into the horror programming a little bit with the Nexus, and then the cartoon shows got nothing. We'll figure it out. Yeah, it's all the guys are smitten with space sirens, you see. And all the ladies on the ship have to spend the 22 minutes of this animated episode running things. Oh, that's horrifying. Yeah, I think that was more than enough for Gene Roddenberry. We'll see how that works out.
Starting point is 02:01:16 But the cool thing is here on We Hate Movies, 4-a-month, the four-er spooktacular, continues next Tuesday, Steve, with a conversation about what? Hey, everybody, so right here is when Steve was about to tell you all that next week's episode was going to be Psycho4-Colon the Beginning. uh but unfortunately we went to record the episode and boom out of nowhere part four not streaming anywhere here in the states uh one through three you can get anywhere um but four yeah i guess is that bad uh and i'm uh the only loser amongst us us for here on the show that owns the 4k set oh god uh so we decided because we know so many people like to watch along uh you know with the programming we'll wait and do Psycho4 another time when it gets put back on streaming, hopefully
Starting point is 02:02:06 soon, because boy, that movie is a stay tuned and a half. So instead, next week, we are pleased to present the final destination from 2009. That's the, of course, fourth film in the franchise, and it's the one they did in 3D. Oh, God, can you tell
Starting point is 02:02:22 it was released in 2009? So that's what's going on instead. And yeah, like I said, sometime, hopefully, in the near future, Psycho4, back readily available, because I'd love talk about that one. It's ridiculous. But hey, fingers crossed someday. But anyway, yes, next week,
Starting point is 02:02:38 the final destination, the final destination. So until next week with the final destination, I've been Andrew Jupin. Steven Zaid. Eric Siska. Chris Cabin. Take it easy. We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween.
Starting point is 02:03:00 I guess everyone's entitled to one good scare. Sometimes dead is better. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in! It is time to keep your appointment with the wicker man. They're coming to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fucks. He's seen one too many movies.
Starting point is 02:03:27 Now, Sid! Don't you blame the movies! Movies don't create psychos! Movies make some movies. Psychos for creative! Put the fucking lotion in the back! It was an excellent day for an exorcism.

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