We Hate Movies - S15 Ep764: Land of the Dead

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

“BIIIIIIIIG DAAAAA-DAAAAY!” - Steve, enthusiastically  For this week’s FOUR-OR MOVIE Spooktacular selection, we’re talking about the last good one from a true horror master, George A. Romero’s Land of the Dead! Shouldn’t they have dirtied up Simon Baker’s handsome-as-hell appearance for this gritty-ish character? Who else wanted, nay, needed, more Dennis Hopper in this movie? How cool is that Priest Zombie head-snap move? Couldn’t they have shown us Big Daddy walking underwater like it’s a Pirates of the Caribbean movie? And anyone else catch the Tom Savini cameo? PLUS: George A. Romero and M. Night Shyamalan battle over Pennsylvania Film Director Supremacy!    Land of the Dead stars Simon Baker, Dennis Hopper, John Leguizamo, Asia Argento, Robert Joy, Joanne Bland, Tony Nappo, Phil Fondacaro, and Eugene Clark as Big Daddy; directed by George A. Romero. This episode is brought to you in part by Rocket Money! Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. That’s RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. Be sure to head to our website for all ticketing information on our final shows of the year in Seattle, Portland (Oregon) & Boston! And don’t miss our worldwide digital event TOMORROW, October 23 where we’re talking Scream 4! Can’t make it the night of? The show has a 14-day replay window after the broadcast! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies merch-related needs! Including new Bus Movie, Night Vision & Too Old For This Shit designs!   Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

This week on the program, John Leguizombie. Is that anything? It's Land of the Dead. I'm Andrew Juppin. Steven Zid. Land of the Siska. The Chris of the Dead. And we hate movies.

We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's a title of one good scare. Sometimes. That is better. Zombies have entered the building, they're at the door, they're coming in! It is time to keep your appointment with the Wickham Man. They're coming to get you, Barbara.

He's sick for fucks he's seen one too many movies. Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies! Movies don't create psychos! Movies make psychos! Movies make psychos! More creative! What an excellent day for an exorcism. Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in, as always. That's right.

Four-or month continues on this year's Halloween Sputacular. We're talking about probably the last even watchable directorial effort from George A. Romero, 2005's Land of the Dead. It's a secret four. It's not in the title. Let's go through them. What were the ones? Night? Night. Dawn. Dawn. Dead. and after that you do land that's not a tie diary

survival yeah survival those are there's not one between diar and that's a gap that's a big gap that's his last three directorial efforts are this diary and survival if the IMDB trivia for return of the living dead is to be believed Joseph Russo who co-wrote night of the living dead with

George Romero took the living dead part of the title and that was the deal that they made interesting that's why that's return of the living dead one two and three and these are The Dead, the Dead, After Night of, which is fascinating. Yeah, that's, I mean, a nice way of splitting it up, you don't get to do your thing. I will stick up, I actually really like Diary of the Dead. Survival is tough.

Okay, what is, now, Diary is the found footage? That's the found footage one. Okay, and then I think I saw that. I don't remember my opinion. Now, the fourth, the sixth one, survival, what is that? I never even saw it. I don't know. Is it a YouTube video?

I mean, no, it's just, it looks like BOD. Like, okay, so you go, you get all your times, you got the night, the dawn, the day. It's sort of like link later. Land. Yeah. And then I think Sea of the Dead would make sense. See of the Dead would be cool on. Evening of the Dead. Evening of the Dead.

Sure, a little creepy. Yeah. Dusk. Dusk of the Dead. Afternoon of the Dead might work. You know, that's the Hangout movie. Right, yeah. Ciesta of the Dead. You said it. Ooh. Yeah, he said it said it in Mexico. I like that. I like that a lot.

I mean, it had to change after 9-11, so I get, I get why you go to land. Things had to, you had to show that something to happen. Yeah, well, land and diary. Diary is like, okay, and then obviously survival is like, whatever. Diary, at least you get back to what Dawn and Day had, which was that nice alliteration there. Sure, yeah. Which is cool. I mean, the thing with diary, like, they're on an island, yada, yada, I just, the found footage part of it all.

Romero and found footage. It also seemed like late to the trend in a way, but I guess it was. I think it was kind of just right in the middle. I think that's what he could sell at the time. He was like, look, I can make a found footage movie. Right. I can put it into this place that we've had. And otherwise, it is very much like all of these movies.

Like, there's like a separatist, like, black group of militants that are helping out the main group and they're fighting off the zombies. I just remember to now. Survival is they think they've found a cure to bring people back from zombies. Okay. That'll make sense. But the zombies always get more. more intelligent. By then, are they like buying houses and survival of the dead? Oh, hello

there. This is me, Chuck Q zombie. Well, that should be land of the dead land for sale. The zombies are buying plots. I don't understand why my taxes have to go up because of schools. I don't have any kids. My dick fell off four years ago. I think J.D. Vance said that was a problem with the housing market is that the zombies are buying all the land.

Would you look at these pearly whites? Yes, everything else is deteriorated, but these, If you can pay for it, you can live it, baby. All thanks to Big Daddy. All hail Big Daddy. Oh, they love Big Daddy. Oh, Big Daddy. Oh, Big Daddy.

Hell yeah, dude. Well, this is kind of like in Day of the Dead, there's Bub. Bub, yeah. Just gub. Bob. Yeah, so it's like But that's like an official name. This is like in the credits that dude is Big Daddy because he owns Big Daddy's auto body shop. And it's on his jumper or his... Oh, yes. Yeah. Okay, I was calling

him gas man. Gasman. I'm a gas man. Gasman's kind of cool. But I kind of like the idea of like evolving in a way that it's just like you're fucking, you're wrecking our zombie village. Like, we're going to get you back. It's our beautiful zombie village. It's developing ideas that

were in Day of the Dead. And it's like taking them first. Like that's what I always liked about this is that they, he continuously is building off what he's already built in this movie directly so. I would just, this is my first time going through it last night. I missed it in the aughts.

I did see it in theaters. Same. And I wasn't too crazy about it. I really think the hopper stuff and the building, that's the movie. And then there's a lot of Simon Baker. Here's the thing. Zombie hunters to me are kind of boring.

I've gotten to that point where it's just like the cooler they are, the more badass they are, the more I'm falling asleep. Like the interesting stuff is in the building. Down the street from you, Andrew, there's a Jeep parked right now. outside this very building. Uh-oh.

Oh, Jesus. I don't know how, but they found me. It's just some, you know, some guy put all the decals on his car of zombie hunting mobile. Oh, yeah. That sucks shit. I mean, that's always the issue with the zombies movies is that there is like something inherently a right wing about them.

Like everybody around you is the living dead and you have to protect what's yours. Right. Yeah. We get to indiscriminately kill. Yes. that was the character stuttering not me I mean objection

return to the night night is not right wing nor I think day isn't right wing and I don't know the attitude against the zombies oh yes right because that I mean that's that's literally the end of the living dead

Dwayne Jones is shot in the face and the guys the big racist sheriff that's another one on the fire there's plenty of ways to subvert it of course and that's what Romero I think has usually done but like the idea and like that's Walking Dead, what was the problem with that movie? Because they got so serious.

All these fucking movies got so serious. And that's what kind of ramped that up. To Steve's point, these movies have lefty ideas in them, the mall, the consumerism, being zombie. Absolutely. Topper here, the 1% controlling this tower.

And I mean, that's why I really, just because I rewatch it this week, Return of the Living Dead. It's just so punk and so... I got to go back to it, man. It's so fun. Good movie. It's so fun. And it just, it's a it in a really interesting way. I think this movie is again, we lean too much of the zombie head and Drace. By the way, I just saw the commercial

for it. It's the funniest title going. Walking Dead, Colin, Daryl Dixon, colon, the book of Carol. That is the new season. And he's in Paris? That I knew from the one of the first season. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not kidding.

Is there a beret on his head? Or zombie berets? Yeah, zombies berets and burrays all over the place. He just, it's just a slow like Trent Rezner song. going and then you just get to Darrow. It's like, Sockley Blue. Yeah, I don't follow a lick of that show.

I can't follow any zombie show, even the video game one that everyone loves. I know. I can't. It's just too grim and like I just these things should be in a 90 minute night. The point is the point of a zombie movie is we're fucked. It's just that's, that is the

genome of a zombie movie. The second it starts, the second someone gets bit, you're fucked. So why do I need to see that? played for six years. Well, because survival became a bigger become a cultural movement. Survivalism becomes a thing, so therefore you can fucking, all

this shit becomes about surviving. And that's where I check out, right? Because like, I'm tuning in for zombies. And once it's just like, you know, humanity's kind of like inherently bad and fucked up. I'm like, yeah, I fucking know that, but that's not why I'm watching your zombie show. And that's why I stopped

really watching Walking Dead because I was like, one, I have my fill. of zombie kills for a really long time. Oh yeah. They did them all. And I don't give a shit about the people drama. Like I just, that's not what I'm tuning into zombie stuff for. It got really, I, as someone who watched The Walking Dead up until about when Fear of the Walking Dead premiered, I think was right when I checked out of the main one.

I think about me too, yeah. And like, it's because, A, it's repetitive as shit. Like, it all becomes about finding these new compounds with some crazy leader. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, another field. That's true. and like eventually you're just like it gets like quirkier like that's their their way they fix it quote unquote is to make everyone a little quirkier yeah and you're just like I by the time the tiger guy comes in I'm like nope I'm fine I did not make it to tie I did not make it to tiger guy I check that

kind of early when Johnny Bernthal left that hurt me and I was like what am I watching this show that's way early but but I second season yeah second season I kept watching I think through whenever Sarah Wayne Callies has the baby and dies I think that's a third too And I was just like You know what This is packed up my fucking Put my chips out

I'm good to go You keep removing like the actors That I like from the show Yeah But this you know I was thinking about this In relation to also We're celebrating

I think it's the 20th anniversary of Sean of the Dead this year Great movie You know I was just like nostalgic for a time Because like this You know It was just the year after Sean of the Dead

And like It's back when I wasn't fucking tired of this stuff yet It was actually I remember being a huge event thing like oh my god George Romero back to making a zombie movie it was his first one since day of the dead

well because it was it was 28 days later which is an excellent movie comes out you know holy shit 2000 flat I think it's 2000 flat and then everyone's like holy shit great movie excited then Sean comes out as a kind of a you know thumbing their nose at it a little bit having a little fun with it and then this comes out yes

the master is back and that it made total sense for that progression and then it just was the siege is just the deluge. Time stops. You know that this is like what, it's like zombies is like an IP. It's like you can do superhero shows forever.

You'll do zombie shows. 28 days later is 2002. Okay. So that's two, four. This is five. That makes total sense. Yep. Yeah.

I mean, and after this, it also, again, like the survival thing takes over. And it becomes not about the characters dealing with whatever situation you find yourself in. It's about how the world is grim and fucked. and, like, everybody's trying to kill each other.

Competing the road. The fucking road comes out also. And that changes. Everything tries to be that after that. Yep, you're right. And the road's great. But again... Really good book.

Really fucking good book. Great book. I never watched the movie. I didn't care for the movie and I don't know if, had I read the book, would I have gotten more out of it? But I was just sitting there like, boy, Vigo, you're just walking with this kid. Maybe this is a place to start because the timeline of this bothered me this time through. Should say, by the way, I think I clarified it on.

on the end of the Nightmare 4 episode. Like, we're doing this because Psycho 4 isn't streaming. So I've watched this, like, twice in a matter of, like, two weeks now. And what bothered me about it was, like, we start. It's the old school universal logo. So it's pretty cool. It's like you feel like you're about to watch a universal monster movie. I love that vibe this time of year.

So I was, like, pretty cool about that. And then when it starts, you sort of get this oral A-U-R-A-L history of, you know, the zombie attacks. And it starts, you're looking at like an old-timey TV and blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm thinking like 1968, like, when Night of Living Dead came out, okay, that's where, and they keep talking about it. And this has just been going on, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, cool.

Now this is like, with Land of the Dead, this is a, this is where we are at now. Society, yeah. Which it does try to do. But then also you have Simon Baker and Asi Argento being like, blah, blah, blah. and I remember when shit went bad. And I'm like, but you're only like 30 something. So I guess it's not the 1968 thing, but the opening's definitely telling me,

this is the continuing story of Night of the Living Dead. So I was really bummed. When they start talking about it, I remember when things went tits up and I was like, do you? My parents, I remember my parents talking about it. Yeah, no, exactly. They told the stories of when shit went south originally, but Ozzi Arigento, who's like 32 in this movie.

Neither of these people should have ever been to McDonald. You know what I mean? Like how you say now, you're like some actress, you're like, oh, she's playing this part, but it looks like she knows what an iPhone is. Yes. These people look like they've been to McDonald's. They've sat in a drive-through line, yikes. But that, you know, that is the start of it.

You know, some time ago is what this is also set in. The movie proper is some time ago, which is in itself then also kind of confusing. But of course it's Pittsburgh. It's just, it's, M. Knight's got, has the state of Pennsylvania Yeah George has taken Pittsburgh only Yeah I wonder if there's some like line

Like right in the middle of the state That's like a demarcation line Like Romero Town and Chamalon Yeah well I guess it's because Yeah yeah definitely Oh yeah definitely Oh yeah yeah I think yeah once you get north Yeah it's an east west thing

East West VA But then I'll see you over here Georgie Yeah occasionally I'll let Brian De Palma over here I'm not letting your ass over here You keep that Twist shit on your side of the street, Charbaland.

Oh, they split the states. Yes. Oh, wow. What a surprise. Another zombie movie out of Pittsburgh. Whoopty fuck, George. You little fuck. Better than... You twist ending, motherfucker.

Better than a fucking water nymph. You freaking weirdo. Found footage. How original, George. You did the same thing, you idiot! You know, director's cameo should be short. At least that indirect bruiser, fuck face. Just over the wall that demarcates it.

Just hurling arguments or insults over a wall. Go make another airbender, you fucked! At least I'm alive, you fucking ghoul. Oh, yeah, that's true. He's screaming at a ghost. Yeah, I'm up here. After Earth. I'm dead.

That's after Earth. Yeah, but this is like how we live now. I do love the, it's a cool shot of like what's left of Pittsburgh, you know, looks very like a Gotham City almost in a way, which is pretty neat. I love the start. We just see the, it's like the zombies, just having a zombie day, you know, the zombie bandstand tuba player guy and trombone zombie. We're having a great time.

Leave them alone. Yeah. I don't know why. you're doing this other than to if they're dumping somebody's taking care of trash duty I guess that's like Osama's crew yes yeah it's like they take out the trash which also we learn later in the movie

is also him disposing of bodies that like Dennis Hopper has been like killing for what I'm going against him or whatever people that give me trouble or like whatever he says there's not enough hopper in this movie there really isn't which is a bummer but I feel like wasn't he probably like ill

at the time because I'm trying to think of like he definitely was in relation to when he's like maybe... Well, he got 10, so it was a while back. Okay, all right. But I remember this coming out and feeling like this might be one of his last... I think they were maybe in the press

it was already announced that he had something. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he also, this very year was on demon days with the guerrillas, which I listened to on the way up here. Oh, yeah, yeah. The mountain called monkey. Oh, fuck, I forgot he does that.

Yeah, it's kind of sick to. No idea. Wow, that's great. Oh, it's really good. Yeah, that one's a good track, yeah. But, yeah, so this is like where you are introduced to Simon Baker as Riley Denbo. Oh, boy.

Riley Denbo. That's a big name. Where you all, hey, Denbo! Like, throughout this whole fucking movie. That's a circus name. Whatever the, what the fuck is that name even? Where are you coming from? Well, I'm sorry, I didn't go to the fucking beach.

It makes you old, you fuck. I thought everyone was calling by his last name, Riley and the Denbo. Deadro is a tough one. Yeah. Denbo. Yeah. But, yeah.

So they are, like, Like on this, like, they're like a survey crew, like getting supplies and yada, yada. And he's observing at this gas station that, yes, here's Big Daddy, the leader zombie, appears to be talking to these two other zombies and indeed, like, sort of like gives a grunt and, like, activates this teenage zombie couple that you see. Great face, by the way, on Big Daddy. Really, like, I don't know who the actor's name is. I mean, I'm sure he's just probably like a mime or something, you know, like, like Doug Jones type. I love the, uh, the contacts that they give them and stuff like that.

Great makeup. I mean, all over the place. Also, the zombies that are purely, like, puppet or, like, are fantastic. They all look great. Speaking of Walking Dead, Greg Nicotero, big part of the special effects. And he also has Greg Nicotero himself, one of the, I think, best zombie deaths in the movie. He is the bridgekeeper zombie at the end of the movie. That gets his fucking head ripped off when the bridge closes on it. That's Nicotero.

He's Big Daddy is an actor named Eugene Clark This is this big movie According to his IMDB But it's pop it up in Star Trek Strange New Worlds As Vulcan Judge Sure So I think he's just a guy that will wear makeup for you probably is my guess Oh Strange New World's yeah yeah yeah

I'm trying to think about Vulcan Jay I mean I've seen every episode So I've seen him somewhere You know that's pretty cool that he's getting some TV walk for the place But yeah so then it's like Simon Baker Goes to John Leguizamo's Cholo Damora. By the way, this is a wake-up call for me

because I think of John Likwazamo as an old man. I'm like, oh, with that old timer, here he comes. But he's so young here, and then it makes me think that 2005 was 20 years ago. And I don't like thinking that.

This is only, what, six years after the summer of Sam, hell, it was the summer of John. John was doing fucking great that summer. Is this as hunky as he gets? I mean, this is as actions. I mean, I guess, like, he's supposed to be hunky in that Mario Brothers movie. I mean, the, what's that? He's hunking in Summer Sam.

The Shakespeare movie. What is that thing? Oh, Romeo and Juliet. Romeo and Juliet, he's, ooh. He is good. Yeah, he's pretty honky. He's smoking. That is the, that is the apex of his career, I think, is Romeo plus Juliet.

Maybe, yeah. Yeah, he's really good in it. I mean, there's, listen, another podcast would say the clown from Spawn. Oh, boy. There's all these booger guys. that do these shows, but not us. I really do. I love Summer of Sam, and I think he's really good. I got to go back to that.

It's been forever. I think I saw it in high school. I remember not. He's hot as fuck. He's fucking all over. Him and, uh, Mirozorino, yeah. I remember not being as into it, but maybe I should go back. Adrian Brody's in there. Adrian Brody. With those liberty spikes? Yeah. It's too much. No. It's too much. It doesn't work on your face. It's fine. It's fine. I find it

fine. But so, yeah, so he's like, hey, Cholo, uh, I'm pretty sure these zombies are like learning to communicate with one another. We should really observe that. And John Leguizamo's character is more of the like, no, we're just here to do a job. I want my money, money, money, many, many, many kind of guy. He's a little bit Abu the monkey in this movie.

For sure, yeah. He's a climber. I mean, that's what we find out eventually. He wants to be part of the upper echelon. That's what he yearns to be. What bugs me about, because at the end, and I think it's informative is, and I'm glad

that the movie goes there, is what he called there? Hopper calls him a slur. At the very end, it's like, this, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Like, it's very centering on what this movie is talking about. I don't like so much that Simon Baker goes up to John Lugazama, like, they don't want our kind, man, me or you.

And I'm like, really? I think it's supposed to be poor. No, yeah, it's supposed to be. That's what I mean. It's like, that to me is less than... He doesn't read... Simon Baker, that's the thing is like, he doesn't read poor enough. You know? I need a guy that looks like he's been to Appalachian.

That is a key problem with him, is that you cannot believe that that guy was anything but privileged. Well, that's like Elaine's boyfriend on Seinfeld who's like this handsome dude, but then he's poor. And Jerry's talking about like the handsome poor and whatever. Right. And that's like he is, he also just for a post-apocalyptic zombie society, such as this is supposed to be, he's still just too handsome and clean looking.

That's, and he's also always playing a fancy boy. Yes, yes. But he's not in this. You are a fancy boy. He is 100% a fancy boy. He's always the guy from Devil Wears Prada. Every time. And this is like a rare time when you're asking him, I guess because he's on the list and you can afford him.

Just make him dirtier. How about like... Dye to dye the hair maybe. Maybe a missing tooth. Or a gold tooth, dude. Oh, wow. Eye patch. Let's make him a pirate.

The poor, the poor Simon Baker is very easy. It's Thomas Jane. Just fucking get him. Yeah, that's true. Why not just fucking hire him? I mean, that's the better Simon Baker. Well, because, but in 2005... I think he's doing the miss, isn't it, or it's pretty close?

Oh, that wasn't the Punisher kind of around? Oh, yeah. Punisher's definitely a lot. But his face looks more lived in. Yes. I also, who also played a homeless guy on arrest development, Tom Jane. Oh, right. Something, something.

Oh, Tom Jane, anyone, oh, no, Simon Baker, anyone ever a mentalist around? Absolutely not. No, I think it was a secret TV show that was like money laundering to keep Robin Tony in a nice house. Like, somehow... There was something going on. That woman doesn't deserve... be on the street let's look we'll call it the mentalist it'll run for nine years no one's gonna watch it there has to be channels that aren't news and financial news yeah and those fucking things

have to be on while people are doing their like their workouts or whatever so you have to have the mentalist you have to have the mentalist uh USA's fucking original program that shit is shows for zombies before there's on there's like a set of people in america that are zombies are ready before they become the undead they just sit there the men They don't have the energy or the fortuitous widths to, like, change the fucking channel. If you watched all seven seasons of the mentalist, you might already be a zombie. That's the number seven? Seven seasons.

Seven. Oh, I thought it was more. 151 episodes of the mental. That's how you have a house. He was like a psychic mormon or something. A famous psychic outs. I don't think it's a Mormon. A famous psychic outs himself as a fake and starts working as a consultant for the California

Bureau of Investigation so he can find Red John the madman who killed his wife and daughter. I bet she didn't think the sentence was going to end like that. I guarantee you it took him seven years to meet up with Red John. That's absolutely right. Let me see if I can go to

Season 7. Yeah, let's just talk about the mentalist for a while. I just want to see if anyone's credited in this last episode is Red John. Does he find him? Does he find Red John? You've got to get Red John. Much like House, like it's also one of those things where people watch this and like John, and Quasamo, they want to be fancy boys.

They want to be able to talk, like, fancy and smart and all this shit. So they, guys like this always do well. I'll tell you what, I feel bad for the mentalist here. I'm not seeing any credit for Red John. I don't know if he finds him. Got away. Oh, you know what? Red John was actually him.

He was a split personality. Plot summary for the last episode, Patrick and Teresa. It's got your own. Yeah, they get married or something. Decide to get married. But they are completely unaware that this, what is. going on with the show? I did not think that the show was this. They're not aware of the Good Samaritan

law. The alien ambassador has come to. They're unaware that the serial killer Lazarus is still alive and plans to crash the wedding. Dude, am I going to start watching the Ventilin? How many serial killers are we psychically finding? That cake might be

poisoned. My psychic powers have told me. For some reason, I feel like that guy Lazarus might be coming back. You know what I mean? you know what I mean stop procrastinating we have to pick what kind of cake we want okay

we could stop talking about Lazarus I mentalized what the cake is because of is this why you're scared of commitment is because you keep on thinking about serial killers and Lazarus please you Robert Dunny 221122 there it is

so they drive around in a big Mad Max truck called Dead Reckoning which just was making me think about Mission Impossible which I want to wanted to turn this off and watch that instead. Romero wanted to call this Dead Reckoning, apparently. Oh, is that right? Yeah, yeah.

I don't know, man. I think we should just call Dead Reckoning, man. I think it would be a really cool kind of sounding title, man. You know what I'm saying? Let's smoke some more cigarettes. But they actually wanted to call this Night of the Living Dead, just like really rebranded the franchise or whatever. Wow, we wouldn't have a requal way back in fucking 2005, huh?

And then he was like, absolutely not, which is the smartest thing in the world. Well, they've done now. There was the Tom Savini remake of Night of Living Dead in the 90s, which is like, fine. But then there's some sort of Night of the Living Dead 3D from like aught something

you bet your ass Sid Hague is involved Like sure he'll do anything I stumbled across it on Peacock and Peacock has that like automatically playing the trailer shit and that one just looked like the cheapest DV You know nothing movie Is Savini in this is one of the zombies towards

Yeah he comes in at the end yeah He looks sex machine He looks like it's sex machine-esque yeah definitely I guess it's based off his character in Dawn, who's a biker as well. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. But that dude's got to be logged in. Well, I don't know this fucked up timeline or whatever. Who knows when this is actually taking place.

Yeah. But yeah, they're going to do a raid. Simon Baker has a plucky sidekick who you think is going to be in the whole movie. Robert Joy? No, no, the other kid. Oh, Legu Zamo's kid. Yes, yes, yes. He's with Simon Baker first and then, like, Lego Zama.

He's like, come on, I got a jab for you. Yes, because there's the thing is, they're going to. going to a drug store to find like antibiotics and stuff and then Leguizamo's like oh we got this side quest we got to do which is going to a liquor store because his whole thing is he's sort of like

fattening up Dennis Hopper a little bit with like here's all this I got a bottle of champas for you yeah and if this happened a while ago like those liquor store shelves would start to be big long gone dude you're not just fine I mean like he has a full refrigerator that he finds full of stuff I was like no way but I guess it just feeds that narrative of there's

the rich are still in power and they're being given shit. He said that the booze or like a bottle of whiskey is a $1,500, man. Yeah. Was it Joe Biden's America or what? Am I right everybody? Yeah. Hey man, land of the dead. Come on.

It's like the greatest one. No, I'm serious. I'm being serious about it, man. Land of the dead. Blows night right out of the water. Come on. It's just amazing that he could do all that with black and white. There's an amazing potion picture. What did you say?

The sidekick, though, of Simon Baker is this guy, Charlie, played by character actor Robert Joy, who's been in a bunch of stuff. This is a real, like, 10 The Rabbits George kind of character in the relationship here. Simple. Yes. Simple. Yes. And he's like a crack shot with his rifle, which is kind of nice.

Like, I guess, like two face through acid in his face or something at some point. I think he mentioned Simon Baker saved him from fire. Oh, okay. That's it. was the thing, but he's got this thing. So, like, I guess they've discovered along the way that fireworks distract zombies for a little bit. Which is a cool idea.

That's pretty cool. But, dude, we are calling him skyflowers in this movie, and please stop. And I thought that was like, because I think Charlie says it first. He kicks it off. And I'm like, okay, the simple guy. Then other people are calling it that? Exactly. I thought the same thing, like, all right, give it to Charlie, whatever.

But then it's like, no, that's just the colloquialism that everybody uses. And also objection, because we're, we say, say zombie, like there's later on, like, get your picture, take it with a zombie. Yes. But we, the cool characters are either calling them walkers or stenches. Stenches you can keep.

Stop trying to make stentches a thing. Walkers is fine. I will accept that. That's what Riley calls them. Right. And Walker says, I actually, I don't like hearing zombie in zombie movies. That's never been okay to my ear. So Walker's has

kind of always been a fine one. Or, you know, just if you want to go formal, you know, your meeting your zombie in-laws for the first time, the undead, if you will. Oh, yeah, the undead, that's a good one. Undead, Mary, undead Todd. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, it's fucking stenches, man.

Stop it. Legg was almost the biggest proponent of that. His characters say it's stentions, right up until the end. He's wrongheaded in all kinds of ways. De stentches. I got to tell you, though, I think most of the good stuff is picked over in this liquor story. I just caught it in my notes.

You guys see that shot. they go into this liquor store like wow look at this liquor store and there's a shelf like eight bottles of Malibu just across it just oh my god just empty those bottles out not even the dead will drink it and then like Osama's like amazing

oh gosh all right so you're telling me a cigar in a liquor store in rural outside of Pittsburgh is any worth a damn no that's a Dutch master here's a tonnage of black and miles everybody wants some like it's just like you know and you know they're all like stale oh of course yeah like him and hopper are puffing on these things like they're fucking been sitting in like an actual electrified humidore this whole time incorrect no you know what they'd be picking up at a gas station like liquor store like that in rural pennsylvania in that time was that fake pot like salvia stuff oh yeah salvia that popery shit bodega fake weed yeah i can sell this i can sell this to all the people it just kills you immediately so it's the easiest way to die you don't come back it's called Delta 12.

This stuff really fucks you up. Yeah, if you die from Tiger venom. Salvia, your brain does not turn back on. And you do not turn into a zombie. I think I did it once. Oh, really? Did you actually do it? Yeah. Did you get like a massive hangover headache? I think it's what made me who I am today.

I think it screwed it all up. I was about to be a congressman and go you know. Eric was in a doctorate program. And then one day he's just like, I'm going to have this Delta 8, Salvia fucking pop brownie. It didn't even get you high. It just made my brain feel heavy.

Oh, cool. Like it hung down. Yes, I was pressured by another boy. Oh, yeah. It's not like I suck. Oh, I see. Your pants? No.

Oh, all right. It would have added to the experience. It's like, yeah, I got a really bad headache. My brain felt heavy. And I evacuated my bowels everywhere. I do like that because, you know, weed wasn't legal yet. We were really just trying shit in the early on. That for Loco?

Like, why not? Yeah. Let's see if we could kill ourselves. with that. Let's do it. If you go back in the archives of this very podcast, I think the Judge Dredd episode, I am drinking four locals on that episode. That's how old this podcast.

Time is on my side. Now we're podcast of the dead. We're that old. Jen's roommate when I met her, we're like going to, we're just hanging out watching stupid movies. She was drinking a four local like, all right, enjoy that. We go to bed, she cleans the entire

apartment. Hell yeah. See, it's good. It's good for fucking meth logo, dude. So Leguizamo goes to get this bottle of champagne to bring back to Dennis Hopper. There's a zombie hiding in the refrigerator, which was weird. If IMDB is to be believed,

that is Bub from Dawn of the Dead. Really? No, it's not. I mean, maybe it is. I'll pull it up. Because they don't treat it like anything. No, of course not. I don't give them.

Probably not the same actor, right? No, I would imagine. I couldn't be. I don't know whatever happened to the guy who played Bub. I would say, speaking of just mentioning Bob real quick, years ago, it was like right before the Pandy, Bam did a Romero retrospect.

Bamargera? Ben Margera did it. Yes, I went to his house in Western PA. My mind is in the aughts. That's where it's going. Hey, guys, I'm here to introduce night riders. I fell off a motorcycle once too. Where did he go?

Oh, he's disappeared and somehow arrested already. When they did the retro, they screened a print of day of the day. and that was my big re-evaluation of that movie because for years I just didn't really care for it but I would recommend going back and watching that one if you haven't watched it a while it's pretty cool IMDB Bubb the zombie from Day of the Dead

1985 makes an appearance at the beginning of the movie when Cholo takes a box of champagne from the fridge it's Bub that lunges at him you can see that his collar is still intact from the original Dawn Day of the Dead Oh if it's got the neck collar I guess that's But it's ill, it's poorly lit Why would you not want to like give that a little

little more reverence, especially because Bub is the ground zero for the thesis of this movie, which is zombies evolving and learning. Right, exactly. I mean, yeah, hold on them for a longer period of time, just a little bit. Let me know. And in a way, I guess they don't want to hit you over the head

with it, which I respect as well. You have to pause it and look specifically to even figure this out. It's been 20 years since that movie came out when this one comes out. So, like, no one's remembering that. If Romero isn't trying to make that point, then I don't care. Like, if he was, he would have made it better lit.

You would have been like, look, it's Bub. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of funny right here because it's Leguizamo sentences his own kid partner here to death. Yes. But through his own like haste and laziness, because he finds this box of cigars, he rips the back off it. And he's like, oh, good, they got a bunch of nice Mexican ones. And he takes a bunch of them, but then like throws them, like scatters them all over the floor and shit. And then he's a kid.

pick the rest of those up and the kid leans down and there's a zombie behind the counter and bites him like if you throw them all over the floor to begin with Cholo like even the most hardened man you gotta feel kind of bad about that later

absolutely like I really fuck that kid didn't like oh Jesus well that's I mean he wants to be part of the elite that does shit like that is like I want power that I can just like use whenever I like direct people who cares act as if yes

this kid is he is love him Love the kid. It is right where I would be if this happened the second I'm bit a gun in my mouth just end it. I'm not dealing with it.

Steve probably already, right? Oh, please. You think I'm going to fucking Pittsburgh? You see one. That's the Pittsburgh. That'll do it. But I meant just seeing a zombie walk down the street. No, no.

But that's the thing, again, if I see a zombie walking on the street, I'm like, shit, society is fucked. Right, and then you shoot yourself instantly. And then we're like, oh, shit, Steve didn't know it was Halloween. Steve don't check the calendar no Well Sean in the Dead because it's a comedy They do bounce society bounces back

At the end of the movie It does yeah Nick Frost is like So then if I guess if I killed myself in that scenario I would have egg on my face Right you could like fucking be chained up on my like roof patio Steve that would be fine Keep you out there give you a little water dish and shit Feed your pigeons

I love that It's better than being stuck in a gas leak house but yeah so this kid fucking blows his brains out and they're all sad about it and they go back and we see you know what this all looks like a lot of big security checkpoints

to get in you know security checkpoints at this kind of situation also reminiscent of a lot of stuff going on and still going on you know so this is all it's Romero doing what he's been doing since 68 make sure they take their shoes off but they go in two

Fiddler's Green is the name of the compound. It's all centered around this big tower. And I do love the fact that like, you know, 78 or 70, whatever it was, 78, I think it was 78 Dawn. Yeah. You know, the whole notion of like the last bastion of safety, the mall, commercials, and whatever. And this, it's like, yep, now we're just permanently living in a shopping center. George, no, no, no, you can't make them twin towers, George. I'm sorry.

No, no. People are going to get the point. Get the point, George. You don't have to. It's a battle plane called Dead Reckoning. I do, there's something hilarious, like, on the way to Fiddler's Green. I think it's like, like, Wasama was watching a commercial of Fiddler's Green. I'm just like, come to Fiddler's Green, blah, blah, blah, dining, and this, that.

And there's a guy at the eating food. And then, like, when we cut to actual Fiddler's Green, that guy is around, I'm like, hey, it's a guy from the commercial. Wow, you're famous. This is sort of society They're showing a society Bouncing Back and it's like the ills of society Remain in place You'd think you could do away with

You know some of these guys you know Well if if everything went tits up But no they They still somehow scrambled to the top And it's like still somehow money Like bills matter It should be all trading right maybe Jewel's would matter Bartering blow jobs would be like

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jobs. We actually will tell you how much you owe to your fellow traders. Yeah, your blowjob credit score is, uh, it's pretty weak. You're in yellow because you used teeth last time. It was a crazy how in JK Rowling's Harry Zombie series. She made that blowjob bank totally anti-Semitic somehow. It's really fucking wild. Don't you work that out? Blow it a goblin. Mr. Elton House, we cannot give you another blowjob loan. You have taken out too many as already.

You take out like a mortgage and like some bankers suck dick for you. You also have to suck a little dick, but they suck most of the dick. But then you have to suck them back later. Eventually somebody has bought a cat and like, this guy doesn't have enough time. Out and house, you have to blow a few people before we're going to give you another blowjob loan. This is not going to happen. You want a 30-year fixed blow job loan. Okay, let me look at those chomps.

Are these gums going to hold out? What's your life expectancy? You better get sucking off some of that. interest boy oh yes oh home ownership it's a hard thing to swallow it is absolutely i do as they go to fiddlers green we are left with the zombies for a second and you do see big daddy like getting a gun and being like oh yeah guns and they look and they see the fiddler's green tower off in the distance and everybody just starts following zombieing their way to the big bright light big daddy is one of the first if i'm

I think the first two noticed, hey, the fireworks are bullshit. Yes. And, like, just is not looking at it. And, like, is, like, trying to touch people, like, stop. Stop it. Because he realizes, he totally, you're right. He totally figures out what's happening because it's a part where they're, like, just driving down the street, spraying a gun, killing all these zombies.

And he does it like, hurry, get down. And he's trying to, like, pull all these fellow zombies to the ground to save them. He's Arnold Schwarzenegger zombieing. He's being the guy in the middle of it, like collateral damage where he's trying to get everybody down. It's very similar. There is the cool, and I will say there is money in this movie. A lot of big, like, stunt explosions and the zombie effects are pretty cool.

I do like, Big Daddy's trying to save the one guy. They machine gun the zombie, like, at the throat until its head rips off and he's just holding it. And then Big Daddy does, you see him like put the zombie out of its misery because the head's still going, and he stamps out of it. He does a few mercy kills. I like

when he shoots the burning zombie later as well. Yes, yeah, it's pretty neat. And he has a number two, the bald guy who I assume is little daddy. The Cleaver dude? The Clever dude. Clever dude has been in some things. He's also, I believe he's the pilot of the spaceship in Jason X.

If you can believe it. Yeah. Royalty. It's amazing. I mean, he got this job after being in Jason X. So it wasn't a total career killer, I guess. No, no. If you're in the periphery, it's fine.

Yeah, his name is Boyd Banks as butcher. Oh, he's in Daughter the Dead. the Snyder's which actually should we did we missed that in the recap yes that's also a part of this that was a huge movie

that was a huge movie and from what I remember not terrible I remember liking it but that I haven't seen it since like theaters it's being very boring like a kind of just normal horror movie I'll tell you it's got a good cast it's got you got Bing Raines

and that's when Ty Borell was in movies and not just like fucking he plays an asshole he plays a total scumbag the one thing you got to watch out for, though, if you're rewatching that movie in 2024, it's a total landmine. A Richard cheese and the lounge

against the machine. Really? In the movie? Because there's a montage of, like, just them passing time at the mall. And I remember when you said Ty Borell reminded me, they're doing a, come on, get down with the sickness, your mother, get... And Ty Borel is just fucking

this woman. Just like pound town banging this woman. Is she a zombie? No. But that movie does have... Would that, would it, would fucking a zombie? Would that make you a zombie? Well, I don't think so. The fluids there are, yeah, you're, unless you probably will.

Yeah, just, if you can get bit, because you would imagine the bite is about fluid exchange. Oh, sure. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. I mean, it's not like a werewolf or a vampire where they're getting all, like, revved up and then they do it. But, like, I believe warm bodies takes on this, this question. I did not see that. And I don't believe that it happens in that. But in the Snyder movie, though, there's a pregnant woman who gets bit.

and she dies and the baby comes out, and it's a baby zombie. It's a pretty cool moment. Yes. Yeah. Now I want to go back to this. For all the shit that we give Zach Snyder, I still think that's,

that might be a kind of good movie. Yeah, for sure. Maybe. We'll see. Yeah. So we got two diverging things going on here. Simon Baker and Charlie go off because Simon Baker's whole thing is like, this was his last night out,

doing the marauding, the safety checking or whatever. He's retiring. He's getting a car. He's driving north to Canada. He's fully mad max at this point. He's going to go, like he wants a car and he wants it full with gasoline.

Oh, guzzoline. Guzzaline. Oh, wait, no, in Pittsburgh, I think it's still gasoline. Never mind. But, yeah, so he's doing that. So he goes off to do that while Leguizamo is going through the Fiddler's Green checkpoint. We see him carrying this, like, dirty box of liquor

through this really nice looking mall, which is funny. And he's doing, it's a good LeguZamo touch here. He's, like, getting ready to be presentable for Dennis Hopper in this meeting. He's doing the whole, like, like, licking my fingers and making my eyebrows are all. all set and I'm looking presentable. I love LeguZamo. He will find business to do. You don't need to give him dialogue. He will

take up the screen and do something with it. Absolutely. And so this is the first interaction with Dennis Hopper, who's Kaufman in this movie. And yes, he is this big one percenter. You know, honestly, kind of like a Trump-esque dude before America

paid attention to him again. Doesn't he go because he gets inside, he meets the butler season, but doesn't he go go next door first before he actually goes in and we get that the family zombie thing that happens family zombie thing there's a next door neighbor that is uh next to the penthouse

and it like he goes in the the guy the the butler heard something uh-huh and he goes in to check on what it was oh maybe I saw a different cut then because I watch this movie twice in like a week and a half and I don't know what you're talking is there a cut that alternate cut That must be, because I, I, I, this, so he goes in and into, into what?

The neighbor, like a neighboring penthouse. Okay. Right on the same floor. The butler, when the, the butler is butlering multiple apartments. He brings up the, the, the, the booze and the cigars. Okay. Opens and the butler's like, do you hear that thing? And it's something, it's next door.

And he goes next door and the, uh, man of the house has hung himself. Oh my God. No, I don't, continue him very excited. And he, he comes in and he's like, he's like, he's like fuck and he like looks around for something because he knows that he has to stab this guy in the head oh a little a little taking care of business so he's like fuck and then the wife comes out and she's like what what what are you doing here what is this and like she's like freaking out like no you can't you can't touch him you can't do it and he's like no i have to and then

the guy wakes up bites his son oh my god no this is awesome this is yeah no i'm reading right now that there is an unrated director's cut the difference in time is only about 45 minutes. Yeah, yeah. So it's the apartment cut is what we're talking about. It's a good scene. It's a really good scene. Fuck. It says it's bludder and makes it clearer

that the zombies can be created by a person's death as well as an infective. Oh, okay. Oh, right. So yeah, that's the suicide doing it. Oh, interesting. Cool. So where did you find this? David Torrentino gave it to him. I haven't seen him in a while. Is he still with Cameron Ripley doing his thing?

I mean, they still live together, which, I mean, it's, I think they're always going to be like that. We denounce what you do. But yeah, so it's, and I like, I really like Hopper here. Like, he's just, the line, which is a little later, zombies, man, freak me out. Yeah, it's like the most Hopperian line, you know, it's so great. I'm curious if, you know, Legu Zamo in the off hours, you think, hey man, you think this movie's got to be a huge piece of shit like that Mario Brothers or what? Oh, fuck, Legu Zamo's in this man. That guy's a bad luck charm for me, man.

You tell me this right now. You tell me, what fucking now? Is Bob Hoskins here? If he's fucking here, I'm not. How about that? He can play Kaufman, man, because I'm fucking out of here, baby. These zombies didn't evolve from fucking dinosaurs, did they? Is that Fiona Shaw?

Is that fucking Fiona Shaw I just saw? I totally didn't even make the connection. That's huge. This is a reunion. You think they were talking about the old times? They had the talk. Must have been. Like, oh, man, I haven't seen you since we.

that piece of shit, Mariam Brothers movie. Oh, my God. It can't, I'm sorry, it can't not come up. It's one of the biggest failures in both of their careers. It's like, you know, you're on set for at least two, three months, whatever, buddies. You know, and like, they, Leguizamo has most of the scenes

with Hopper. Yeah, he's them. It's present for a lot of them. It's them and that second guy that Hopper shoots eventually. Oh, yeah, his, the fucking number two on the board or whatever. So, yeah, he presents the liquor and everything, and It's like, oh, you know, Mr. Kaufman, you know, you owe me 20 lodge from this whole mission.

And then with all the other back pay, you owe me, I've got enough money saved up to buy an apartment in Fiddler's Green. And it's like, yeah, I saw you put the application in, man, I put a big fucking C in the corner of it. You saved up 200,000 blowjubs. Get sucking. Let me get the board in here. The board in here, because you're going to have to suck them first. They're going to have to be the first people you suck. Daddy wants you to suck!

I wouldn't... No, but his actual attitude is, I wouldn't take your blow jobs. Yes, no, it is. I wouldn't have one of your blow jobs. Yes. I own the whole town. My shit's dried up down there.

They sucked it clean. I've got sucked by everybody in here, fella. But this is why Simon... Twelve blow jobs a day will do that to you. This is why Simon Baker saying later, like, they won't have our kind. It's like, no, man. I feel like if you went up Riley, Denb.

and you were like, well, hey, I've saved up all this money from the jobs. He'd be like, all right, I'll see what I can do, man. Whenever the zombie thing happened, there is only old rich. There's no more new rich. We're not allowing that. That is over now. Whoever is rich at the zombie apocalypse is the last of the riches. Yeah.

And so Leguizamo doesn't do the right thing here, which is then you go and you try to threaten through blackmail the big powerful villain. He's like, oh, yeah, well, I know all that goes. on around here. I bet the board members would like to know what's going on with the garbage. It's kind of weird that they mask the truth of that in some mystery, like, until later in

the movie. And I'm like, just say he's having people taken out with the track. You don't come to anything. You're telling me that guys on the board don't know that. Come on. Also, the notion of, like, this whole thing needs a board of directors. I mean, like, it makes no sense, but also, like, of course that would happen.

You know, like, we're corporate guys recreating this world. Well, of else we'd need a board of director. I mean, it's the critique. Like, the suits will inherit the earth, no matter what you do, we're always perpetually fucked by capital. But also, you can burn it down.

Yes, you can burn it down. Exactly, you just need a big daddy. You need a big daddy. There's another, like, I feel like this is fucking storylines deleted about Simon Baker, on his way to go get the car while the, like, was almost a,

is happening with Hopper. He is walking through sort of like a trench town kind of, Overville camp where folks have like created their own like have not sort of society and there's this Irish guy who's like a freedom Mulligan. Yes. You're right that is total

scenes deleted. It feels it. His sick son that he has. Because he comes back later and it feels like we were setting this guy up to. There was another movie going on the whole time the Mulligan adventure. Because he's like at the end he's like you know he gives him the mad max thing. It's like do you want to stick around and make a new society? It's like no I've got to go on my own and that's fine but I mean I actually again I think once we leave Fiddlers Green

and even the shanty town which I'm into the movie just kind of gets duller and I just feel like honestly like hire some cool dude to be Mulligan and now it's the Mulligan movie and it's Mulligan v. Hopper like that's a movie. Because then you can have like Simon Baker or whatever going on the outside we got to

go get fucking dead reckoning back from Leguizamo and then also Maligan played by let's say Guy Pearce sure you know is leading so it's kind of like this two point conversion of like the zombies are going to Fiddler's Green but then also these freedom fighters aren't the freedom fighters don't know that

the zombies are on the way and it's like oh oh that's a log jam I think it's because he never wants I mean Romero doesn't really want to have to like explain what that guy's politics would yeah that's a good point fully be sure because like he wants it to be Baker and John Likazamo who are choosing this who are like pulled between

these two polar opposites and then I do like when we get those scenes of the zombies like getting electricude down the fence and them being like they're learning not to come here they're learning not to they know the guy says something about like they don't come around this way much anymore they've learned that they can't get they edge around this way

they beat it for like 20 seconds and then they stop we told them do not come the one dude just getting exploded by the fucking electric fence that's kind of fun it's pretty sweet yeah I do like that like I have to say I mean this is very 2005 computer effects but most of this movie takes place at night. They hide it nicely enough that when these zombies are getting like

exploded due to huge caliber rifles or whatever, it looks pretty good. It's a cheap movie, but it's very well directed, I think. I think he does a great job. Romero knew how to do a lot with very little and like this is clearly, I would be curious to see, I wonder where this fits in

as far as like the highest budget he ever had. I think it might be one of the... It has to be. I mean, the dude was always working with pennies. Yes, you know, but I was thinking maybe like in the 80s when he did like dark half and shit like that. I mean, with a king you got king money

in there too. Yeah, that's what I would think. Who knows? Good movie, really good movie. Yeah, no, definitely. The good Bruce Campbell. Yes, right? He's the guy. No, no, no. That's Timothy Hunt. Oh, yeah, yeah. I thought Bruce Campbell was in it maybe. I don't know, no, no, but it's Timothy Hunt. I'm totally mixing it up.

Yeah, so that's all going on and Legosamo's doing his thing. And so, yeah, he does the big tells him off, I'm going to threaten to go to the board with the garbage stuff. So then Hopper says to his security guard here, like, I'm not going to need his services anymore. I love this dude, just the shittiest security guard trying to take out Leguizamo. Leguizummo gets this guy in two seconds flat.

It's the stairwell. Like, I mean, come on. Yeah, it's pretty great. Just turns around fucking kills this food immediately and gets out of it. Yeah, bounces. And the zombies learn how to, big daddy shows the butcher guy, how to use the cleaver. He's like, oh, yeah, it cuts things. we cut a hole through their

little plywood fence or whatever Fiddler's Green is through it. I do love I think this might be the only movie where a zombie gets got by a jump scare because Big Daddy's peering through the hole in the fence and then a zombie swings in front of him and he's like and then he's like, no, my

people. Yes, because it's a like training area and they're being used for target practice swinging from ropes and shit. The jump scare, it's like that shows you're like a zombie when you watch this stuff. Speaking of jump scares, There's an Azi Argento is in this movie. She's always just in a movie.

She sure is. That Wikipedia page gets really dark real quick. Towards the end there. Have a sip or two while you're doing that. You turn it on a dark mode so it's easier on the eyes while you read it. Oh, you meant something else. Something else, yeah. Several things, really.

You meant several other things. Yeah, several things there. We meet her because Riley goes to where the car is. the car is not there so he has to go track down the dude that sold him in this car and we see more of like the have-not village here and this is like the entertainment area and again this part is really cool I really I really like yeah this is much more in line with what I want this movie to be because this is like the fascinating like how would you be living and Hopper even says like you know he pays for entertainment to be in this area or whatever and this is the cool like take a picture

with a zombie and you do see it's kind of interesting because it's like people just dressed in rags and whatever, but then there are, like, touristy, rich people slumming it because it's like this, like, hoity-to-dy kind of woman's getting her picture. Like, oh, look, I'm getting my picture taken with zombies. I mean, and this is great. Like, this is, like, would be, this feels ahead of its time, like, in a way. Because with Instagram now, like, and phones being so omnipresent,

and then they weren't back then. Yeah. I just think it's a good critique of what people would actually be doing. And I would never take a photo with one of those guys. It's too close. I mean, like, that's totally. what that is. I mean, you're right, though. You can see put this movie out now. It's like, take a selfie with a zombie. It's like, you know, you go to a wedding and they have the

fucking photo booth station and this is the zombie station, big sunglasses. We got to stop because now I'm thinking about the Texas, the Netflix, Texas Chainsawamas. And I might have, I might start bombings. Oh, right. Yes, right. They film them on the bus or whatever. Selfie.

Yay. I talk about why we're chopped. And that's what you do now. Yeah, I guess so. We do then. but so he yeah he's walking through and we see this guy the little person actor dressed up as the cowboy this dude he's one of the the shitty people who's shitty to Willow

he's like one of the villagers in Willow fuck you Willow you're not going to be able to fucking you know dude fuck that guy it's why the ending of Willow is one of the greatest things ever because Willow comes back a total hero and all those other pussy ass dudes that fucking left the campaign because they all got scared are like, oh my God, the fucking weird neighbors.

Now the hero of the Tatton Willow is like, suck my dick, suck my dick, suck my dick, fuck you, fuck you. He brings the blowjob economy to their village. Oh, my God. But I thought I, Phil Fondacaro is this dude. He also was, I mean, unsurprisingly, I guess, an Ewok in Jedi. But this character name, Chihuahua.

He was the Ewak that told, Wicked to go fuck himself Why are you helping these rebels scum Fuck you Wicked Why do you suck my dick wicket Just get down there and get suckers 60,000 blowjubs I'll see what you owe me at the blowjob

Bank That hang glider cost 21,000 blowjabs So that's what nub-dub means After all these years Now I know Dumb Dub Suck up

Nop, nop, nop, nop. I did it. Nop, nub, wicket, nop, nop. On solo walking around, stop it. Stop, get off my, get off my junk. Hey, I don't know what, all those bears are sucking each of his cocks outside there. Kept on kissing me on my pants. He told me he didn't nub it out for air.

What does that mean? Really? No, no, guys. On your planet two guy? There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no dick to suck on an AT-A-T-A-T. Stop it. Stop it. See, three, it's just like, you don't, you have to suck their dicks or you're going to be put on fire.

Suck it up, furball. Like, that's the punishment for not sucking their dicks is you be set on fire. They're not going to eat you. No. It's because you didn't suck their dicks. It's a traditional greeting. All right. So, so you're faced with it.

You're on the forest mood of Endor. You've been captured. Suck off an EWalk or be burned to death. Which are we doing? Oh, dude. I hope that EWalk comes quick, is all I'm going to say. you know it's not that it's like just just start doing it close your eyes and remember when you were a kid and you like maybe you put your teddy bear's arm in your mouth yeah exactly go to that

place the whole thing is hairy you know it man I guess unless you think it's the red rocket situation I'd rather me yeah I'd rather the hair I would rather the hair too myself could we find the hairiest Ewalk to suck Let's go through the caves and find one of the ones that hasn't been around. Rodney, the hairiest E-Walk. Never cut it. Oh, man. Yeah, so it's like, I got to, here's the dude.

I'm going to go get him and see what went on with my stolen car or whatever. Sure. As they go in, we're taking bets because we've got some zombie cage fighting going on. And the guy's like, oh, you know, there's a new surprise tonight for the fight. It's going to be great. You know, and they're like, well, how do they, they don't fight each other. and the guy's like, well, if there's food in the way, they will. And here, Ozzy Argento is thrown into the cage fighting here.

She holds her own, like, get these zombies back. But immediately, Simon Baker's like, well, this is corrupt and fucked up and just kills both the zombies. I do like the dude Charlie being like, and there goes chihuahua, boom, kills that guy. Oh, dude, assassinating a little person. It doesn't happen nearly enough in film. While this dude is running with a pistol in his hand and a fucking pink cowboy hat on. Oh, man.

Why did they throw her in there, Mr. K. apparently gave the order. Did they read her Wikipedia page? Is that what happened? You better put her in there, man. That shit gets dark real quick. No, after the Asseus movies, after that. It gets, you gotta keep going.

You gotta, you gotta keep going. But yeah, so, no, but she was a prostitute. She wanted to be a soldier. They're like, now you're a prostitute. Again, like, that's interesting society stuff we're talking about. Yeah, exactly. Like, you went to the sign-up sheet. Yeah, like, one soldier, please.

and they were like, no, prostitute for you. Right, yeah, now it feels like I'm paying off this house that I don't even know. But because of, you know, I guess shooting these zombies and causing the ruckus and assassinating poor little chihuahua, the three of them, Ozzy Argento's character, which is spike or something, slats or spikes or smegma. No, that's what happens with the fucking EWalk's Lodja.

No, she's got to be something. Hold on, I got it. Slack, there it is. So it's like Slack, Charlie, and Riley all get arrested here. We go to this jail for a little bit. And this is where we get a lot of back story about, you know, Charlie and Riley. Oh, he saved me from the fire. It's like an Old West jail cell.

They're all like kicking their boots. It very much is. And honestly, it looked a lot nicer than the shanty town or the zombie apocalypse. So I would just be in jail. Sure. Live in jail. Some people do do that. So many people, especially in our country.

And again, though, this is another thing where it's clearly a deleted storyline. This guy Mulligan gets thrown in the clink. Oh, right. And they're like, oh, no, Mulligan, what happened? Why's Mulligan in here? And the movie doesn't give a shit. Well, I think Slack is in trouble because she was corroborating with Mulligan to do some deed. Is that right?

I didn't get any of that. That was at least in the Wikipedia summary that I read this one. Oh. We got to check out the novelization. That's where the answers will lie. dude, you're absolutely right. A bunch of chapters about Mulligan.

Dude, yeah. It's a whole fucking like 60 pages of mulligan alone. So he Chihuahua was corrupt. Oh, no. So Leguizama's whole thing in this moment is, okay, Dennis Hopper, fuck you.

If you're not going to pay me my money and give me the apartment, I'm going to fuck your day up hard. So he goes back down. We got to go out. There's another run we got to do with dead reckoning. And like this army dude is like, I don't know where this paperwork's from yesterday.

I love that there was paperwork, like work orders still exist. Oh, absolutely. No, you're not scheduled to go out now. But then there's a shot in the distance and he's like, what's that? He's like, oh, it's just target practice. Then there's a scream. What's that? Screaming practice?

Screaming practice is pretty funny. And I do like the guys out on the range or whatever because this is a very funny moment where they're like doing target practice legitimately. And then one dude is like, hey, do you hear something? Oh, I don't know. And they turned this spotlight. And Big Daddy is right there. like seven inches away from them, like, how's it going?

And, you know, so then, like, Wuzamo's whole thing with the paperwork doesn't matter because, uh-oh, the zombies are knocking down this fence. Right in my eyes. Ah! Future's so bright I gotta wear shades, big daddy! Your neck. Is this before or after they've decided to walk across the river?

This is before they get to the river. This is like the first, I guess, part of the wall that they're breaking through or whatever. and it's like uh-oh looks like we gotta go to work daddy's got to go to work and like they steal the dead reckoning truck right here i like all this with the big gun shooting all the zombies and everything could have used some more interesting characters here in both here and in simon baker's i'm not crazy about motown you oh you don't like motown or pillsbury pilsbury motown and monica is the lady there's a boathown is motown is motown the lady in the second group

yes yeah when when they're like Hillsbury something and like minuet, the French guys. He's Spanish. He's Spanish. He says it's like, the Matador. Yeah, the bullfighter thing. Because basically, he he calls, he calls he calls it. He calls

Hopper, he's like, listen, you need to put $5 million in a boat for me. And when you do that, I will not blow up Fiddler's Green. If you don't do it by midnight, I will blow up Fiddler's Green. Yeah, he's like, I've taken dead reckoning. We're going to go to a spot outside the city and line our fucking cannons at your tower. And

and honestly pretty fucking awesome like oh hey rich guy you totally fuck me over because you're a selfish racist piece of shit i'm going to launch rockets into your house pretty fucking great i have to say but yeah so hopper's whole thing he calls in riley and it's like you're still employed by me or whatever you're going to get and i guess riley is some big engineering dude he designed dead reckoning and he's like oh you want me to go get my truck and it's a nice hopper you mean my truck but that's the whole thing. And this is indeed the Mad Max bargain, right? He's like, what can I do to have you do this mission for me? And he's like, I just want a car, I want a bunch

of ammo and enough gas to get to Canada. Enough blowjubs to get me all the way to Canada. Suck me into the Great White North. Absolutely. And it's great because Hopper giving a little bit of info about what the state of the world is like, he's like Canada, there's nothing north. And Simon Baker is, yes, that is the point. I just want to live alone. I'm fucking tired of humanity and all this experience. Unlike John Likosama who wants 5 mil

and an eternity with skater boy. A pretty boy is the lady. Pretty boy who's skating and he's the one who they leave at the docks to wait. Mouse. No, that's mouse. Mouse is skateboard guys. Who is waiting at the dots. Pretty boy is the woman

who's driving dead reckoning. Yes. But yeah, so they're getting ready Simon Baker's folks are getting ready to go and these people come down like, oh, Dennis Hopper is sending some people and he does the whole like, we're good, I have my guys. And it's like a, this isn't really a discussion kind of thing.

These people are coming. And yes, so it is Pillsbury, which is a big fat Samoan dude. Motown, which is just this woman that I guess was maybe from Detroit. I don't really know. Or no, she definitely is from Detroit because they have, this is the weirdest exchange in the movie. At one point, they're

trying to steal a car a little bit after where we are. And Motown goes to hot wire it, or Pillsbury tries first and she says something about like what does a Samoan know about hot wiring a car and he's like 50,000 cars are stolen in

Samoa every day and she's like oh yeah well you obviously haven't been to Detroit but I'm like and his cat is all is like well you have a lot more cards there's only 50,000 cars in Samoa yeah all stolen and I'm like but that's an interesting thing too right because it's like the zombie apocalypse

has been going on for years what's going on on the island of Samoa, man? Like, how are they living in a zombie society? I guess he would have gotten here before the outbreak. Oh, for sure. That's the idea there. I feel Dwayne the Rock Johnson went back and made it a fucking

compound now. Oh, yeah. He just, he bought all of Samoan and I was like, this is Rockville now. King Johnson. And call it Rockville. I don't know. Dude, I've been watching that Mr. Mac Man documentary, the Chris Smith thing. The two biggest McMahon

ass kissers, unsurprisingly, Hulk and Dwayne Johnson. Yeah. Just like company, man. Yeah. Hogan to this day. Oh, no, no, no. Like, he proudly has the whole thing about, yeah, I fucking rat it on Ventura trying

to unionize. I couldn't imagine Dwayne the Rock Johnson talking bad about anyone. Exactly. He's just, he's got, there's nothing behind those eyes, is there? I mean, I think I was with you. His soul is as slick as his body. Yes. But that's most of those records, wrestlers after a certain point, and I think we're

going back on that now, like someone like Sampunk is going against that, but like Sina is also like that. Yeah. Like, he's always talking nice and cannot say a negative word about anyone. But Sina, Sina has the ability to have a non-robotic personality about it. I find him

incredibly robotic. Is that right? Interesting. Have always. Like, but on the level of DJ? Yeah, yeah. I think there are, oh, I think there's no difference. DJ's way more robot. I think at least in acting, I think Sina can get to dip more places than I agree with this.

Because he's willing to be silly in a way that DJ is just not. Right. Like the Rock's trying to be fun, but it never comes across as funny. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, he won't debase himself. That's the thing that Sina will do. I need a robot to debase themselves. Like Sina does that thing, does the cameo in Barbie.

Dwayne Johnson would not do that. Well, I feel like, we'll see, you know, Red One might be the worst movie in five years. It might be like five full years. And that's the rock in that? The Rock. Chris Evans and JK Simmons as Sandy Claus He's a Jack Santa Claus that gets kidnapped

I saw the poster and I couldn't believe it said only in theaters. I was like this is a streaming movie. Yeah, this is Netflix, right? Yeah. DJ's got a lot of movies that go to Netflix so I was kind of surprised too that it wasn't also just that. Yeah, I just it felt like a Netflix movie. But so Cholo is like, all right, Mouse,

you sit here by the docks and we have two and a half hours. If the boat doesn't come with the five meal by midnight, let no we're going to be launching these rockets so you just hang loose and it's a kid on a skateboard he's sitting in like the dock worker cabin or whatever sparks up a jay like you would do i find it funny that a character named mouse is frightened by a rat in this moment there's a little scare that happens oh few it's just one of me we see him literally like playing with it later but so that's like

the guy waiting to see you know if any of that uh sort of happens i do like there's a cool thing i do like the character of charlie being like a really nice sharpshooter yeah it's cool And we have this thing where this dude's like, here, take this gun. And he's like, I just like the one I use. And he's like, this, this gun fires 14 rounds a second. And it's pretty awesome because Charlie's like, yeah, I've never needed that many bullets. What are you what? No, I'm an actual like talented marksman.

I don't need to spray and pray. Yeah. And then that guy just are, our words. Our words it up. Absolutely. It's 2005. We're having fun. But we, yeah, now we're on our, our crew.

We have to hot wire. This is what we have to, like, get supplies, and before we get out, and the zombies have raided this area already. We're calling for that guy. The guy who initially asked, like, Wasamo for the paperwork is this guy, Brew Baker. Yes. And they go back in, like, hey, Brubeck, where's Brubeaker? Like, Brewbaker has been turned into a zombie, and they kill him, and there's a couple.

It's actually a cool thing, because the one guy, I think it's Pillsbury is, like, ready to spray. One of the characters is ready to start launching bullets, and Charlie's like, or Simon Baker's character's like no no no select use a pistol and just shoot the ones that are zombies eating things yes we don't need a loud racket kind of a situation preserve the ammo and whatever and in this exchange at some point the maddador guy gets bit uh we're back in the car as the are trying to just hung it shoots him in the head i'm like i'm glad that this movie doesn't do that game because it's it's way too late in the in society to be like well he got bit we'll see what's no no you shoot them immediately yes ozia definitely though asked simon baker at one

point like how long is it going to take to turn and Simon Baker has this line about like oh I had a little brother that got bit it took less than an hour so there is still that we're explaining the world but what this movie does not have which I appreciate is

the character that gets bit and hides it for a long time yeah yeah yeah like kid at the drugstore kills himself immediately the Matador guy gets bit right here I do love Pillsbury's right in the back with him and when he sees Ozia like make that decision mentally to fucking kill this guy

he just sort of backs like he's like eh he sort of like moves out of the way so he won't get shot and this dude gets shot right and he does do a no please he gets killed do you see this guy get killed a little more in the director's cut you watched or whatever he gets killed

skull chunks I didn't see that it's just like a no I don't and like you hear the gun but you don't see I don't see the brain fly at the back at this point they stopped the car and they're like listen to Pillsborough and Motown like you were told to get the get the van no matter what right

and kill me if you have to yeah sure well you're either I'm taking the van if you're okay with that you can continue on with us if not you can get out right here and there's like zombies ever yes exactly it is a cool like they're on the side of a wooded road and like you see the zombies like walking between pine trees and stuff it's kind of a nice shot there it is a nice shot but yeah Simon Baker's got a great line too where he's like and frankly I'd like to be in a car that has a roof because they're like

a jeep kind of thing with the top down. And yeah, they see like a weird looking like guy in a red cloak on stilts out in the wind. What is that? Oh, that's that's Chamelon country. We can't. No, no, no, no, we don't go past that line. That's

that's Chamelon country. No, it's just a bunch of old people pretended to be monsters. That's what I heard anyway. No, no, no, don't go past that tree line. It's just a guy taking his daughter to a concert. oh in there there's a guy that he keeps saying his bones are class or something he honestly ignore him oh but fucking watch out mel gibson's out there too

and he'll get you well get the fucking car we gotta go oh just so long they don't go to that beach it makes you old just make sure we don't take the wrong turn here and go to that beach it makes you old on the Philly shore I gotta go back to that movie because the only time I've seen it I passed out drunk in the theater there you go I caught the first 10 minutes thought it was pretty neat fell asleep woke right when the credits it. I'm a big fan. It's the movie that makes you drunk.

That's what did it. It's the movie that did it. It's the movie. It turns out every movie makes me drunk. I put it on at home at night. That's the thing, is you're addicted to movies. Thank you. It's the problem here. And if I eliminate movies from my life. Exactly. Suddenly, I'm clean and so.

25 years without a movie. Get my chip. I've ever been so happy at all my life. I don't even know who Gene Kelly is. That's some, like, film blogger. I'm a cinemaholic. I just love movies to a crippling degree. Anamorphic Anonymous.

Amorphic Anonymous. Yeah, that work. Oh, I love it. But, yes, we are going to go. Simon Becker deduces the only place to blow Fiddler's green away is this hill that's in a place that I know exactly where to go. Yes. And he has a tracking device, too. Yeah, we're tracking Dead Reckoning.

I do, Ozia right here, driving. the Jeep is pretty funny because he's like so you're going to want to make a right on Studebaker Street and then a left on and she's like, you want to go up the hill? And it's like, yeah, we got to go up the hill. She's like, then let's go up the hill. And she just like fucking jerks the wheel and they just

start driving off road. Pretty cool. Meanwhile, Hopper knows that the dead reckoning thing might not happen and he might be in trouble. So he's like saying he's got this boat. He's like, all right, we're going to restart our society man. Yeah, this is where he's talking to some of the board of directors,

these like four besuited white guys. And he's saying yeah, I have, basically it sounds like he's got stash houses and other places where it's like we could go and survive if stuff gets shitty. Other sites that could, like we could rebuild what we have here there. There's other people

that'll suck our dicks over there. Don't worry, the blow jobs shall flow. We can go to Scorsesee City. We can hang out there for a little bit. Look, we're going to restart society, man. I'll even erase all the suck dead, all right? Oh, wow.

That's huge. That's what happens at the end of Fight Club. Waiting for Biden to give a suck forgiveness. Oh, man, I'm just, come on. Trying to get rid of all the suck dead. All these kids come out of college. I've got to suck all these cocks. It's ridiculous.

This is America. No, I'm serious. They're sucked dead. They should suck more cocks, actually. It gives them character. It's sucking a dick. We'll get anybody character. I've never done it.

I've never done it. All right, you know, Grandpa, you sucked one dick to get your fucking house. I've been sucking. No one should have to suck dick to buy a house, man. No, I'm serious. This is what happens in America. You got to buy like 20,000 blow jobs. Yes, I did.

I got a blowjob loan for my sister, too. I am sorry about it. We don't like to talk about it in that house. Some boomers are, yeah, I put myself through college. I sucked one dick, one dick a month. That was it. And that's what we did back then. Just get yourself a part-time suck job and put yourself.

yourself through college. You go down there, you flip some cocks and you got enough money for school. You pound on some doors and ask them if they need their dick suck. Pound the blowjob pavement. Yes. You're not going to have anyone ask you to suck their cock with a suit like that. Go get a haircut. But that's the problem, is it? We don't have blowjob factories anymore. We used to make stuff in this, we used to make blow jobs in this country. Now we don't. You outsourced all the blowjabs to Mexico. You got to go to Mexico to get a blowjob. I don't think so. No, she never gave me a real

blowjob. It was just a little blowjob over FaceTime. That's why we're going to get blowjabs by Americans. It's the best kind. Oh, man. This is around the part where the zombies get up to the river. Yes. And Big Daddy's like,

oh, I seem to remember a movie called Terminator. Like he definitely does it Jason before he's you know sentient robot I would like though Give me a shot of him underwater

Probably pretty pricey to animate it Because I just think You know it's the movies whatever But I think it's that second Pirates of the Caribbean When you see Bill Nihis Army of Pirates underwater I always thought that was a really cool shot It would have been cool seeing zombies

On like the bottom of the river Doing a thing But he just kind of comes up at the other end Like Seymour Skinner and the Yeah, yes. Apocalypse now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, the rest, I love the zombies watching on, like, what is this guy doing? Wait, he might have something here.

Oh, but, oh, wait, we don't die down here. Around here, that dude, mouse gets killed, and it's like no big scene, but it is kind of funny. They rip him up. We get, he opens the door, and it's like, he's on his little skateboard, and it's like, oh, is anybody out here. He gets spooked by a kid zombie, which is pretty cool. Pretty creepy. Yeah. And he backs up on the skateboard, like, it wheels,

back and then he just gets got by this clown zombie good god terrifying way to go last kind of zombie you want to get bit by his clown zombie yeah no absolutely the Spanish guy gets the worst of the bunch because it's a headless zombie who then shovels his head throws his head forward to bite you

it's a priest actually a priest yes you see the collar it's pretty cool like it jerks its like torso forward and the head which is still attached to some sort of sinew or something I've always thought that was so cool and honestly like the computer effect it It looks pretty good still.

It's, you know, fucking midnight dark out, which is important. That looks better than Deadpool. Yeah. That impressed me last time. I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, no, a neat, you know, it's the thousand zombie movie. Exactly. We're thinking about it a little.

Yeah, exactly. That's Nicotero, man. He's a genius. And we're whatever. Yeah, so we're trying to go to the hill. Motown, we realize Pillsbury is now in on with the gang and Motown. It's not. So he knocks out Motown.

that's how it goes right yeah motown's about to like do something against them and i i honestly the two times i've watched i don't understand what she's like trying to pull right here but pillsbury just fucking punches her in the face and it's like yeah you know let's uh let's go steal this battle van for ourselves not not dennis hopper yeah and they do have like a a nice little standoff with uh like wasamo here like wasamo like wasamo they give his character a cool thing he's got that harpoon gun that's like his character weapon and he's got that to riley's throat it's a little bit of you know, get that gun away from my dad kind of thing. He kills the Mexican that he sees

out there when he's like, oh, that could have been me so easily. Oh, like Guzamo, yes. He does the whole thing. Oh, when he's just like randomly doing pull-ups for a little bit, like in the truck. As long as Ava got in good shape. He's like, George, I'm going to take my shirt off, right? Yeah, I mean, it's like Wuzamo. He's actually doing them pull-ups, man.

And it's, I mean, he talks about his dad, which is really interesting because my dad never wanted anything, never got anything. That's how it works. You know what I mean? It's America. It's great. You know what I mean? My dad died in so much blow job jet. They would just drink it off in his casket for weeks. I didn't see him for weeks because he was just giving blow jobs back. He was just trying to pay it all back. And he couldn't do it, but we never saw him.

No one should be out there having to work two, three full-time blowjob jobs. That's no way to live in America. So I get sick and now I owe you 2,000 blow jobs? How is that fair? I can't... I can't suck dick because I got it in Pizema. And now, but all of a sudden, that's the only way to pay for anything. This is communism, I'm sorry. No, you have to, you have to suck. You have to suck.

I say blow jobs for all now. Now we're thinking. Not just blow jobs of the top tier, the top 1%. Everybody should be getting dick sucked. And let's not forget about eating barks either. And the Medicare, yeah, the Medicare too. Yes? Yeah, okay.

Yeah, the Medicare as well. What are these crazy ideas, eating box? I've never heard the more ridiculous thing in my life. Oh, I got an Amazon box, yum yum, yum. What am I stupid? Everybody should be going downtown on everybody else. It's just no way to live. No, just on me.

I do like this one, like these army guys just get slaughtered as like the zombies keep making their way. And I love the dude on the phone. and he's just like, I think he's talking directly to Hopper and he's like, yeah, they're coming here, are we going to get any backup? And like, there's some back and forth. And then he's like, actually, never mind, no one's here at this outpost either

and he throws the phone and they all run away from them. Which are rules. I think this is around the time of zombies, man, freaks me out. Oh, yeah, totally. This is a great so Hopper is making the escape right here and he's got two bags of my

money. And he's like, running into the hallway, and this is when he runs into one of the board guys, and he's like, what's on the bag? And he's like, money. And then it's like, who's money? And Hopper just fucking killing this dude is so awesome. And then it's like

two seconds later. Does he pull like a what's that over there? Yeah, he does, holy shit! Shoots him in the head. A teradactyl. What the hell is that, if? Is I call it a gumba? And then it's like, the dude is still on the floor twitching. And Simon

Baker calls him like yeah we got dead reckoning it's all set and the butler guy comes in and he's like what's going on in here and Hopper's like I just did something I maybe didn't have to do after all sorry Dave or something I wouldn't have done had I knew that information admitted ago

or whatever it's a great little hopper delivery I love also that this butler is dressed like he's working at fucking Rick's Cafe America it is a nice touch that like Hopper of course is forcing the but the butler is a black gentleman. I don't know if we mentioned that, but he is

dressed in like the white suit coat and the, you know. Old time, we know what we're talking about. And I mean, and that's also, I think it's interesting that Big Daddy is a black guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Not incidental. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, so it's like we're just

sort of doing this whole thing with the suit. He's got to get out of there and he's going to take the butler with him because the butler is also the driver and it's like, we're going to go down to the car and get out of here, make our escape. Yes, and meanwhile, Simon Baker gets to drop on John Legu Zama by using his little device and his team kind of rebels.

It's basically like, now I have Dead Reckoning. You can either come back with us because we're to save the town with Dead Reckoning or go on your own. He's like, I'm going to go on my own, my buddy, Fox here. And then all of a sudden, this other guy is a character? Fox all of a sudden comes from featured extra to has a name. He's talking to Legu Zama. I was looking at my notes today.

I was like, what the fuck is Fox? Was there an animal in this movie? I just wrote down? It's not this guy but Fox kind of looks like the dude who was one of the detectives on Dexter the big the bald guy

I think he's got a mustache Oh yeah that guy He's the guy He's also in Michael Clayton for a hot minute And I know your brother with him Yeah that guy But yeah so it's like

We're gonna go back And because the zombies are gonna There's good people in there too All the Mulligan's crew We gotta save them That's things if I knew more about the Mulligan Freedom Fighters I'd be like

You gotta go back for Mulligan. Exactly. But as it stands like we're watching the movie and it's like, I'm just the fuck do you care. Let it all. Burn. It's another town. Another burnt town. Exactly. Save yourself the fucking time. The guzzaline. Just get out. Get out of there, Mulligan.

Mulligan, no. Because it's cool. It's like we get to eat the rich in this movie. It's literally the poor rising up and literally eating the rich. And you can know, but if you do that and don't save a good man, what's worth it? Eric. Oh, geez. That's a moral quandary I'll have to consider

and really, really think about it. Just dig in. Legu Zama and Fox go off, Fox and his friend go off, actually. Excellent. And leave and you know, they stop for a second, take a piss or talk about something. Yes. And Legu Zama just gets bit.

You know what I mean? It's a cool surprise. Come on, Foxy, let's go. Like he gets bit right in the arm. I love the Lego Zama. Fox has got a gun. He's like, do you want me to? He's like, nah, I want to see how the other half lives, which is a great little it's great and he says I've always wanted to which means he's like laid

up at night like I wonder when it's like to be a zombie well you gotta make that decision at certain point they're like I either I'm either telling my wife that you have to fucking cut my head off and make sure I'm dead immediately yes or I let it ride what do we pick what are we picking kill me kill me I'm out of here just kill me let me be a zombie let me destroy other lives

no but here's the thing though if you get caught by some fucking American military person all of a sudden I'm getting fucking abu graved and fucking you know I'm targeting practice and whatnot. They're fucking chopping my cock off, taking pictures with me. They'll do that if you're alive, too, by the way. Blaring

new metal. Oh, my God. They would be taking pictures of you dead anyway. If you remember the Iraq War, they did that as well. Willa Defoe in the card counter all of a sudden. That's who I would run across, exactly. They're just zombies. It's okay.

You get, you know, you're a zombie, your body's getting shot up, you're getting, your genitals cut off by a corporal or whatever. Sure. What do I, you know, it's like, you don't really feel it, right? I don't think you feel it because everything's dead, except for your brain, right? The brain's the only thing that's... But I guess it depends on what book you're

reading, because in, I think in Romero world, they're just like brain-dead zombies, but in return to the living dead, they specifically say that they're in constant, zombies are in constant pain, they need brains to alleviate that... It quells it, right? Yeah, okay, that's right. That's a little different

there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I guess it depends on what world on it. The Romero world, I think, I am also going to ride it out and I think you get bit by a zombie and it's like hey wait a second did Dan O'Bannon have anything to do

with the creation of this world am I going to be in constant pain well I guess if the four of us were zombies we would probably just sit down and chairs go to each other like oh we're trying

oh my gosh they're trying to do a podcast but then Big Daddy comes along and teaches us that there's a way to live a life and then suddenly we're recording the podcast of the dead

and we're other zombies are listening to it just like the zombies that know English listen to this one take it easy oh my God

they're learning English again I recommend or we end up like that radio that famous radio announcer from Vietnam Dear zombies stop what you're doing your family has left you

Around here is where Big Daddy shoots the zombie that's on fire, which is pretty cool. We're going like full-on siege of the compound. And in that moment he learns how to shoot a gun. Yeah, he's like, oh, wait. Because there is, yeah, I think there's also a dude. There's a guy who's not on fire. Yes. Because there's another zombie that's got the gun and he's shooting at a guy and it's not working.

And Big Daddy comes up and he's like, no, like this. And he holds the trigger down and just sprays on this dude. You see a line of bullets go up this guy. It was nice. There's one moment. I don't know. it's somewhere in this movie where a guy has a military guy has a grenade and his hand gets cut off

and then if he falls on top of it fucking rules no yes that's a great great moment primo yeah yeah yeah but yeah so we're now hopper's trying to get out he's got his big some money and wouldn't you know it um there's uh big daddy comes across him first and he's got the gun and you know he's yeah uh he's like spraying his car this is in the the parking garage and it's a great like hopper being classic rich guy even

in a situation like this, I'm not going to fucking help out to get us out of here. He sits in the backseat has a fucking glass of scotch ready to go while the butler goes out to open the garage door and then it's like, uh-oh, here comes Big Daddy. And he does a really cool

takes the gasoline nozzle from the gas tank and jams it into the windshield and just sticks it. And the car's just filling up with gas, which is great. And the butler just says fuck this and leaves. Yeah. I think he's He says something, goodbye, Mr. Kaufman or something like that.

He's running up the rail. But I think Big Daddy gets kind of scared away by something. He sort of just leaves and it's Hopper like, few, okay, man, let's get out of here. And as he gets out of the car, he's yelling, he's like, wait, get back here, you fucking asshole, you got the keys. He's like the father ran away with the keys of the car. And then, uh-oh, here is John Likwazama. At last scene, he's, it's actually a pretty cool shot. He's walking underneath the train car, like the act.

tunnel to get into Fiddler's Green. He's walking under it and I think at the very like right before the shot cuts like he's walking and he's like Leguizama walking and then he kind of like there's a quick second where he sort of like shakes a little bit as he's walking through

so then here he is in silhouette whiz the audience know what's going on Hopper recognizes him and just kind of shoots at him immediately this is where the slur comes into place you're supposed to be dead you fucking S word there and then this is great

it's fucking Luigi fighting King Bowser here man and then they explode it's so funny because this is another this is what I was talking about Hopper with a suitcase of money getting fucked around a means of conveyance just like in speed yeah this visual effect doesn't really work with the explosion

this is one of the I think one of the lesser CG moments it's the most PS2 moment just give me a dummy love I want to see dummies blow up constantly and it's like is this in 3D because it comes right at you. Because, yeah, Leguizamo's body comes towards the camera. I do like Hopper just flying out of frame. That's good. Cartoon hopper flying out of frame. Yeah, it's like, oh,

no, and they'll blow up, which is great. And the Big Daddy, oh, because Big Daddy rolls a flaming canister down the ram. He was leaving to get another tool because he's learning. Exactly. Oh, you know what? I'll be right, but can you hold tight right here, Mr. Kaufman? I'll be right back. One moment, Mr. Kaufman. Give me some time, you know, these ankles. ain't what they're used to be. And I mean, like, this is where, to me, at least the movie starts to fail because, like, this can we get the bridge up or down? I'm like, I don't know what that is and I don't care what that is.

Yeah, we're at this draw bridge and, you know, I think it's a pretty boy. They always leave it up. And Simon Baker is like, well, well, if we can get it down, we can drive right into the city and save all these people. And yeah, there's a lot of fuck aroundery with getting this thing down. This is, yeah, the Greg Nicotero zombie is like the bridgekeeper guy, which is pretty cool. Yeah, Sondbaker gets out, he has to open the bridge and yet, yeah. It's always, there's always side missions like this and zombie stuff.

But at this point, I mean, to your point, though, it's like, we are in this, like, explosion climax, hoppers gone. Yeah, exactly. The movie's moving at a skyflower pace. I would like them to do the same. Let's get on with it. But, yeah, a lot of back and forth, Sondaker barely makes it back in. The bridge goes down. And they kind of realize that the town has been overrun by zombie.

and all they could do is a mercy killing which they do, they fire some rockets at it. Kill some people. I do love, there's like some uncredited, like white businessman dude who's just like observing the zombies and he has a great like, we're fucked, like kind of moment. But yeah

so this whole like all this what's his face, Mulligan's like people. Yeah. Also the people that have fled Fiddler's green and are just like running around the city because that guy like the businessish man like he's in a suit like he's not one of the dudes

you're probably running next you're that guy from that commercial yeah I am yeah oh yeah it was a great gig feels like another life ago

how many blowjubs did you earn doing that I always wondered so many you wouldn't believe it if I told you but yeah I mean it is this big moment

that's actually kind of neat because like they pull up there's a bunch of zombies there's people screaming and it's like they've got the rockets ready to go and Simon Baker's like

all those people are already dead just just do it they blast them all the smithereens everybody's fucking hamburger and then when they're feeling like you know pretty boy is one of the ones that's instantly like bumming like we killed all these people we didn't make it then you see you know uh uh mulligan and all his dudes come out it's like oh we did save people there's still people here exactly mulligan's like we're gonna start over again and make a blowjob list society finally yeah and then he's like simon baker don't like that because he's like i'm going to go to Canada, see what those cold lips have. Go back there, go to Jaw City in Canada. You could literally go to Moose Jaw in Saskatchewa. Oh, there you go.

Why do you think it's called that? Because the mooses do it up there. Or moose do it up there. Moose do it. Sorry, because it's not moose is, right? It's just moose. Just regular moose. I like that. Or mees. Or mees. Is it meese acceptable? Or is that mice? No, just kidding. No, it's mice.

It's just mice. Because the singular is mouse, dude. That's fucking nuts. This is like Joe Rogan right now. Oh my God. Wow, dude, Joe, that's so amazing. Jamie, could you pull up Meese?

See that, there's a hit on Meese. You know, I was reading this German manuscript from the 17th century and it said that, isn't it weird that mice or mouse? Oh, my God. Weird that that's like that? Oh, wow.

I mean, it should just be mouses, right? That's what you would think. Like, you say bears, bear is one, bears is two. And there was this heretic that was like it should be mice's and they didn't listen to him and he gets all the experts on that's why i have to listen to all the experts every last one of the smart ones asking questions uh i do so yeah mulligan is like you know we're going to go in there and you know we're going to try to create

our version of a utopian society and riley you know asks uh you know i think what this movie is like ending on this note of like well if we do that then what do we turn into yeah who becomes the kaufman of this new society because as human beings fucking function, that is the inevitability. But it's also, like, you already know, it's going to be Simon Baker. Look at him. He's a fancy boy. He's got the fancy boy all over his face.

That's true. But I do like this last moment of like they're all getting ready. Like, they are going to Canada. Charlie, Simon Baker's, Riley character and Ozia's character. We're all going to fuck off and go. Probably some sort of It'su Mamma, Tambien

situation later on down the road. Pillsbury and Pretty Boy are also there. That's right. enough to go around to Jaw City. That's true. Yeah. Right in the middle of the heart of Moose Knuckle County. But they see Big Daddy and a little bit of the horde kind of walking off and they're getting ready to fucking shoot. And Simon Baker is like, no, don't kill them.

They're just looking for a place to go just like we are. I think that's such horseshit. I'm sorry. I could never get there with zombies. Zombies are literally a plague. that destroy human beings and killing one zombie might save 20 lives.

So anytime you can kill a zombie, you have to kill a zombie. But what he really meant was save the Emma. We got Canadian zombies. That's a better line and that makes more sense to me. Save it for Canada. You don't know it's going to be like at the border. Border of the dead.

Order of the dead. I like this. I like that. Now that's an actual time when a horde would be coming toward the border. And the only time. a dangerous horde was making its way toward a border

but yeah I don't I don't vibe with that either I have to say it would have been rad if Ozia was just like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and just fires a rocket launcher at Big Daddy because also I mean I mean if they are amassing a leader a charismatic figure

like Big Daddy maybe we can negotiate them but then pretty decent last shot here Dead Reckoning driving up the dark road firing off the rest of the skyflowers because he says they won't need them anymore what with the zombies learning

that it's just a distraction, they're useless so it's this, it's weird because it's kind of a celebratory shot but it's also still just as grim and ending as any other Romero zombie flick but that's the end of Land of the Dead pretty fun for me going back to this but we'll go around the horn here. Final thoughts

Eric Siska? Yeah, this is kind of the WLM for me this month. I know Halloween 4 is our WL. I'm on the Patreon, but I did like this. I like the ideas it's exploring, and I see some of the criticisms that it, you know, it could have gone a little further, but I more or less enjoyed this. And I kind of wasn't expecting to since I only saw it the one time in the theaters in 2005, which I've just learned is 20 years ago.

Just about there. Chris Cabin. Oh, yeah, I like this movie quite a bit. And I mean, I do that with the Bakelian at the end, I mean, the whole thing of like, you're supposed to hate the people. I get what he's getting at and like if you follow that line of it like that's what Day of the Dead

and this we're trying to do is like yes these are people like these are still people right they're just learning and like yes they're horrible and that's what's complicated about it that's kind of what's fun about it but yeah I like all these movies I just rewatched Day of the Dead

and that went up several rungs for me yeah I had a lot of fun with this it's pretty short and it's punkish like it just moves there's no boring stuff to it to me at least for me yeah Stephen yeah I was surprised I mean I'll be the I'll be the outlier which is fine

I found it really dull I really did I found Simon Baker is not a great lead for me Leguizamo is much more fun Give Leguizamo the Riley role Yes you know maybe and then someone else who's not Simon Baker can be cholo It's nothing against the guy but it's just it's not that

You know what I mean he's not that and it's just I found, again, zombie hunting is boring to me. I'm much more interested in what's going on in Fiddlers Green, et cetera. And I mean, just like, in terms of, like, again, I, this movie just lacks the energy of dawn, day, return of the living dead, 208 days later, Sean of the Dead. Like, I could just name so many other zombie movies I'd much rather watch that to the point where I don't think I'm ever going to go back here. That's where I would say that I can probably also think of a bunch of zombie movies I'd never want to watch. again and would choose land of the dead a thousand times ever but yeah no it was it was a pleasant surprise oftentimes and this happened to me a few times over the years where it's like programming conundrum

and you know I've been the one to watch something that winds up being the replacement and then I didn't do a notated watch so I got to go back and do it again and oftentimes that happens I'm like god fuck my life and this I said that but then the movie started up again and I was like you know what man I'm 96er you know really not that bad it goes for me, I do feel like it does lose momentum there towards the end where it's like, there's so much after Hopper each shit and it's like, but

that was, that was the God. That's what you want the ending to be. Exactly. And it, you know, it should have been at the top of the tower and it was a fucking diehard kind kind of thing. It said it's in the basement of the parking garage. Yeah, you know. Oh yeah, he falls, he splatters and then he gets back up. You thought

you had been rid of me, McLean. Exactly. But yeah, no, this is a recommend for me. I think this is where my Romero zombie movie recommending ends. I mean, maybe with that last one, something or

other, but that diary I remember not liking and it's because Romero and found footage is like square peg round hole for me. Like it just, I get it. It's a total like, if you give me a bunch of money to make this movie man, I'll make it. I'll make it found footage for you. What's funny about it

is that he doesn't even really do literally all he does is make it shaky cam and like put the out that thing on the outer ring of the like he the as if you're looking through the view finder of the camera. He doesn't do anything to make like the image like look like it's being video. It looks like a normal movie

for most of the time. For most of it. I guess that even like kind of compounded my frustration with it because then I'm like you're not even engaging in the form you're like working in. That's bullshit. Yeah. That's bullshit. I'll say that to you too, M-night. An executive producer was going to give you, however,

much money if you did it in this way. That's exactly. That's what that movie feels like. Anyway, this is a big not big, but it's a recommend for me. But that is going to do it for our venture into Romero's filmography for four or a month here on this Halloween's... Four, four, four, four. Four, four.

The Four love continues, of course, on the Patreon. We have, as Eric mentioned, a we love movies. All about Halloween for the return of Michael Myers. That is a real bangor episode, I think, quickly becoming from what I've seen the, you know, The Tricklings Online, a real fan-fave episode.

I love when that happens. Absolutely. On animation damnation, which is not my fan favorite. It's called Ace Ventura Witch's Brew. Yes. It's the cartoon where Ace Ventura just goes up against a witch and the cheapest animation I've ever fucking seen. And if you ever wanted to know it was like the Ace Ventura flirt with a teenage girl,

this cartoon lets you see that a little bit, yes. We also have a really banging once-on-a-lifetime out. Face of Evil with Shawnee Smith and an actress I had never heard of but you guys Tracy Gold of course

from growing pain I never watched I never went there but yeah Shawnee Smith it's quite a time and the guy was somebody you guys knew

from some Harry King playing the dad who's sort of shown up in some thing and he's in the movie mandingo unfortunately oh right mandingo

yes honestly face of evil is a crazy TV movie it's on 2B in the United States at the very least it's worth the spin it's worth a listen

to that episode It is on YouTube as well. Yeah, definitely. That's where I watch it was on YouTube. Gleap Gloucery, we have Ex-R-Con, but it's mostly talk about the TV show Tulsa King. Yeah, we do a lot. If you're like, I don't really want to listen to this because I'm not like a Star Wars guy, and that's the Star Wars side show. Hey, if you're Tulsa King Dad, you tune on in this month.

Tulsa Daddies. It's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah. I also want to mention that we have some stuff coming up. That's right. October 23rd, we're doing this worldwide. digital event where you can watch us do an episode like this live we're doing scream for and that's on sale at moment.c.co. slash we hate movies and of course we are going on

toward Pacific Northwest and Boston pick up those ears because maybe they fell off a zombie November 15th will be in Seattle, Washington and Washington Hall talking Harry and the Henderson's. November 17th will be in Portland, Oregon at Mississippi Studios talking the Goonies. And then on December 4th, we'll be in Boston Massachusetts at Laughboston talking pretty woman. Hell yeah. All those ticks available

right on our website, WHMpodcast.com. We also have a full-length singable commentary on Silent Night Deadly Night 4 initiation. Hell yeah. A wild entry, the forest of four is we are a field in that one. It's a left turn if you ever

saw one for a franchise. Remember when we were playing month and then like stuff went awry like psychophor wasn't streaming then we're like oh we have to do a commentary too yeah holy shit we really painted ourselves into our quarter we really did like there is a lot a lot of long text chains like this uh but yeah i'm actually full disclosure we're about to record this right after we wrap this episode a little food break in between i'm very excited to lay this down it's a fucking crazy movie i've never seen it before so it's gonna be my cold reaction so tune in for that'll be a lot of fun i promise you uh and

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for a month with a this is a question mark has anyone seen this movie in this room? Wishmaster 4? Wishmaster 4? No, no. I've seen 1 through 3. The OT I've seen a clip of this movie. I know that

Battlestar Galactic is Michael Truco is in it. So I'm excited about it. I've never seen his film. Wait, who's that, Sarge? No, no, he's Sam Anders, a lower level. But he becomes quite important. Quite important towards the end. Okay. But, so it's going to be exciting. No one's, we're doing

exciting to see it again. We painted ourselves a new corner with a stupid gimmick and we're going to finish it next week. Yes. So until next week, when we totally fuck ourselves over, I've been Andrew Juven. Stephen Siddack. Eric Sisko. Chris Cabin. Take it easy. We all go a little mad sometimes.

You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's entitled to one good scare. Sometimes. That is better. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in. It is time to keep your appointment with the Wicamand.

They're coming to get you, Barbara. I was sick for fucks you've seen one too many movies. Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies! Movies don't create psychos! Movies make psychos! More creative! Put the fucking lotion in the bag! What an excellent day for an exitism?