We Hate Movies - S15 Ep782: Identity (2003)

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

“If this movie was made today… it would absolutely be a direct-to-VOD situation!” - Steve On this week’s episode, we kick off our dumbest theme month yet, Wait-WHUT-uary, with a long-time-coming episode on the psychological thriller, Identity! How hard does the twist ending destroy this movie? Can we all agree to let John Cusack be great in worthwhile stuff once again? Is the whole judicial situation above board in this movie? And how hilarious are some of these deaths? PLUS: Coming this summer, John Cusack stars in Limousine Cop!  Identity stars John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Ray Liotta, John Hawkes, Alfred Molina, Clea DuVall, John C. McGinley, William Lee Scott, Jake Busey, Rebecca De Mornay, Carmen Argenziano, Marshall Bell, Leila Kenzle, Frederick Coffin, Holmes Osborne, and Pruitt Taylor Vince as Malcolm Rivers; directed by James Mangold. This episode is brought to you in part by Factor! Eat smart with Factor. Get started at FACTOR MEALS dot com slash whm50off and use code whm50off to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. That’s code whm50off at FACTOR MEALS dot com slash whm50off to get 50% off plus free shipping on your first box. Don’t miss the replay of our Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire show, available now through February 13th! Full replays of both the WHM Live show and the After Party Q&A! UK and European listeners, be sure to catch us this summer during our 3-night residency at the Oxford Comedy Festival! We’ll be doing WHM, WLM, Animation Damnation, The Nexus, AND The Gleep Glossary! Click through here to get your tickets now, they’re really moving fast! Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

This week on the program, oh, shit, what if this podcast has all been in my head for the last 15 years? Just like today's film, Identity! Oh, Lord Almighty, I'm Andrew Jupin. I'm Steven Sannick. Oh, wait, or am I, Helen Hunt's friend from Matt about you? Oh, uh, oh, or Malcolm Rivers here. And we hate movies. Wait, what? Wait, what? Hello,

into the fine program as always. Yes, that's right. February is upon us. And we are here to talk about a whole month's worth. And now listen up front everybody, because everybody missed the instructions last month. Oh, yeah, they did. The thing this month is movies with endings that make you go, wait, what? That's right. It is wait, what, you are sorry. Yes, wait, what you are so excited. Yes, if you didn't get the instructions, look under the couch, get that Allen wrench out. Last month, some people didn't get the memo. But here we are. And wait, what you are, these movies will feature some type of twist.

And I think these are, a lot of these are just like things that we've been talking about for years anyway. And we've been looking at a, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, one big box and just hand them away. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Like with sheen-prol, it's like, let's get this off the desk already. Exactly. Exactly. So here we are talking to a big one.

This has been, I think, on our lips since 2010. Really. This is Identity from 2003, directed I was stunned to find out, by James Mangold, which I guess I knew at one point and completely forgot about, because folks may have heard me say this already, but indeed, embarrassingly, I've seen this movie quite a bit, indeed saw it in theaters, owned it on standard definition DVD, and just paid to rent it off of Apple. That was my first wait, what of the whole month was just like, wait, James Mangold directed this totally the twist is in the opening but guys it's balanced out with the writer i don't know if you looked up michael cooney yep go right ahead with this information he wrote and directed

jack frost the horror movie and jack frost too the horror movie which i didn't even know there was a second one dude he goes on vacation in that second movie oh hell we did do the first one a trillion years ago on i believe that's a side order of sleeves right yes but i think it was on the main feed so if it's not there it's probably in the patreon archive of all the old episodes that's right it's fascinating I mean Jason Mangold's gotta have a fascinating career

I think now he's a prestige director but he's always just sort of been like a really competent work-a-day director you know what I mean I think that's what this that's what this is and this movie is actually for all of its faults

actually pretty confidently directed like there's atmosphere here you know what I mean like before then we literally falls apart because of the rotten screenplay you kind of care about some of these characters Dude, all I can think about was that Rodney joke when he guests on The Simpsons where he's like, no, everything's falling apart, like a Chinese motorcycle.

Like this movie, like you can, you're watching this movie, man, and like you can see the movie, like the tires on the movie start shaking and you're like, are all four tires of this movie going to fall off at the exact same time? You could have done a killer snowman again or aliens were doing it. Exactly. Also, you know what? And another great line from that great episode of The Simpsons. Hey, who the hell am I talking to?

Apparently nobody. We should mention, I don't know, I guess the audience didn't realize this, but Chris Gavin, figment of our imagination. Yes, she has been the whole time. It's been a collective hypnosis we've all been under. Just like you, dear listener, what's your birthday? Say it out loud. Holy shit, that's my birthday.

I mean, this is, I think, a great example of, like, either like we're going to be talking about twists a lot this month obviously and don't worry about it folks we are the button on the month is M. Night Shyamalan so don't worry about that but like a thing with a twist is I feel like if you have a twist that's

early enough in your movie where it just becomes the movie that's acceptable and if you have a twist at the very end of a movie like a Shy Malon kind of thing where it's like Bruce Willis in the final minutes of that movie realizes what's up that's a twist that's acceptable too because you're in and you're out This movie makes the fatal mistake of having your twist so ill time.

There's 20 minutes left of the movie and you've got to sit with this stupid shit. I agree with that. That was the ball game as far as I'm concerned, you know? Well, because, I mean, the weird thing is, I mean, like, I guess we'll do it now. The twist is it's all in Pruitt Taylor Vince's head. None of these characters are actually real and they're all fighting each other for, I guess, identity supremacy, which is an interesting idea, which isn't explored in this movie at all. it's just sort of the idea of who's actually killing all these

critical people. Well, that's what I'm saying, right? If you have this like at the jump, you could explore that world because you're not like Tee-hee, like hiding this thing. Otherwise, a twist in the movie's like Robin a bank, dude, you fucking get in and you get out, which is why Shabalan puts those things at the end because you're fucking in and you're out.

And also, most of his movies that are good withstand the twist one way or another, or you're like, I kind of that twisted. I mean, the village is actually a pretty good movie until the twist. Honestly, I think what do you call it there? So the usual suspects, for example,

like if Kaiser Soze is anyone else than Kevin Spacey, that movie is still pretty goddamn good. But also, if you find out that Kaiser Soze is Kevin Spacey and there's 20 more minutes left of usual suspects, that fucking sucks too. Watching him catch the bus with that.

Yeah, too. Oh, my God. It's just him and Pete Potsilsweet. Like, it's like kind of turns into comedians getting coffee in cars or whatever. Or it turns into sideways. They go up to watch. country have a little time

I'm not drinking any fucking Merleau Pete pauses away in that movie unfortunately doing brown face question mark why I know he's got the name but is he caked up I don't remember he's a little bit caked up it's a little yeah he's like

he's playing a Pakistani in that movie and that's just not that's not that beautiful Irish actor sorry folks no that's a weird one yeah that's the only reason you that's the only reason it's hard to talk about usual suspects that's the only only reason The director's got an impeccable record.

I'll tell you what, man. A prison record or a chicken. I'll tell you what, guys. I got the 7 4K that just got released. And I had not watched that movie since probably George W. Bush was in office. Bit of a wait, what?

Bit of a wait, what? Bit of a wait, what? But, man, it's pretty cathartic watching him get shot the fucking head. It's a good one. That's a rainy movie just like this one. A lot of rain. Dude, but Eric, as you pointed out, man,

this much of a downpour in the Nevada desert and yes that's their first clue this is their setting up the twist you know it's in the mind of a simpleton because it's Nevada having biblical rain

and that is not the non-stop focus of conversation can I say I think what's interesting about this movie though is at least with the casting in this movie it lets you know that I feel like James Mangold is probably a pretty rad dude to work with

because Pruitt Taylor Vince was in his very first movie heavy Leota obviously in Copeland Right? Right Lewis in Copeland? Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, right? Okay, so like it's cool to see like previous mangled players like coming back into his movies and stuff like that.

I don't know, I just think that's kind of, it's always a good sign if you want to work with it. I mean, speaking to the fact, we're just talking about fucking, you know, Brian, what's his face movies? Singer. Singer, yeah. He's been so out of my mind, I can't remember his last name.

Ryan Voldemort. But no, yeah, this has got a great, like, cast. There's a lot of familiar faces here. It's great. I like, I miss these mid-range movies, you know, that's sort of like, even if it's a dumb twist, even if it's like, doesn't hold up, you know, under the weight of riding Dangerfield

and a Chinese motorcycle. I still just miss that ecosystem. This almost feels like a 90s leftover. I mean, this is all, big time. If this movie was made today, it would absolutely be, unless it was by like a prestige director, A24 style, it would absolutely be a VOD situation. It would just be a thousand percent. It would star fucking Aaron Eckhart and no one else. Or actually John Kusack, honestly.

Yeah, that's fair. The king of the VODs. Poor guy, I got to get into that dirty old QSack. My God, what does he make in these days? It's just a lot of really bad, like, crime movies. and then his two most recent credits on IMDB, a thing that came out last year, and something he's got coming out this year,

are straight up Chinese movies that he's in. It's all Chinese crew, cast, everything like that, and then John Kusack just dropped in the middle of it all. I like that. Everybody felt bad. Everyone asked that question, like, what is going on with Bruce Willis? And then it was like, oh, I'm sorry.

You know what I mean? It was very quick, like, everyone sobered up rightfully and left that alone. But I think he could ask, What is going on with John Cusack? I mean, at least I hope. Well, because if anything, he is, he's an actual presence on social media. So, like, you know that, like, he's still talking fine and everything.

So it's not like he's being, like, secretly duped into doing these movies until he can't fucking talk. I don't know. I mean, you see his grammar on his posts? That's actually true. Dude, uh, dude was pulled out of school to act too much, I feel. I don't know. I do like, I look at that. punctuation like come on man but i still like john cusack as a presence and i think this is maybe

one of his is this one of his last okay kind of role kind of sort of i mean i mean at this kind of like a level right i mean he's like he's you know it's an ensemble but like he's the lead of it right he's also 2012 after this he's doing a ton of roncoms as well that's true hot tub time machine was pretty big yeah i mean his career was fine but it's just like it just feels like He slid out of my memory. Oh, for sure. So all the stuff you're talking about is, like, older than 10 years. I think I found the last, like, he's in it a lot and he's really great in it.

When he plays the older Brian Wilson in 2014's Love and Mercy, I think he's actually genuinely great in that movie. Right, yeah, I forgot about that one. Because that's like he's in, like, half of it. And then the last thing, like, the next year, he's got a tiny part as a priest in Spike Shirek, which he's also good in, but it's like two scenes. And then after that, you get singularity,

blood money, arsenal, distorted, river runs red, never grow old. Utopia, pursuit, decoded. And Decoded was the Chinese movie, by the way. But like, yeah, just all of these like single name or single name or single word titles. For a while he was doing stuff with Cage and then Cage kind of spun out of that. You know what I mean? Like, it was like

this weird. I think that's the idea. You know, as they say, post through it. You know what I mean? Just keep going. Maybe one of them will hit a little bit of, maybe a little heat with one. Then the next one is a bit more legitimate than like maybe somebody else is in your next movie. You know what I mean? Like you just got to keep going, dude.

Oh, man. I think I found it, though. The thesis were kind of working up here, you guys. 2014's The Prince. When his daughter is kidnapped, a retired assassin is drawn back into the life he gave up. To rescue her, he must confront his former. rival. This movie stars John Cusack and you guessed

it, Bruce Willis. Oh, there, yeah, of course. Oh, and also Jason Patrick. But it looks like Jason Patrick is the main dude and Bruce and Cuse are like, we're in it for a few seconds, but even still, there you go. So we started this movie with

Alfred Molina, like just sort of like narrating over well, it's actually Prode Laplace, narrating this like creepy poem, I met a man who wasn't there. And then something else happened. It's spooky scary. I'm mad a man with seven wives, seven wives and seven cats,

seven cats and seven sacks. I thought for a second that we were doing the diehard with a vengeance nursery rhyme and I was like, wait a second. But this is Alph- These are the counseling tapes of Malcolm Rivers, which is Pruitt Taylor Vince, and Alfred Molina as Dr. Malick

is the... Kind of a Dr. Loomis for this situation. Oh, dude, yeah. He writes evil on his notes. You see at one point, Also, by the way, OG teeth, Alfred Molina, I think he must have got them fixed for Spider-Man. Really? Okay. I would like to, yeah, we need to investigate this.

I don't know what, you're, TMZ, People Magazine, stop what you're doing. Get the chart. Get the timelines correct when Molina's molars got fixed. Molina's molars. What a scoop. But you're right. And I think, yeah, because, like, that Spider-Man 2 is 04, right? next year. So this is pretty

the last outing for the OG teeth. Which is fucked up because like, why would a crazy bad scientist that creates octopus arms have fucking perfect teeth? Come on. By the way, in my notes, I found the poem here that is, you're going to hear this a lot tonight and if you watch this movie you're here this nonstop. And then you'll hear it in your

nightmares when you go to sleep tonight after listening to this episode. Of course. Yeah, because I've got this split personality stuff. Okay. So when I was going up the stairs, I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish he'd go away. Wow. Oh, you know what? You can set that and get a chunky, chug-a-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chchchch-chchch-chch-chchch-chch-chchch-chchch-bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb-b- I wish he was it law! Yeah. Oh, there we go. I wouldn't follow that leader.

So, like, we just sort of, like, there's this thing where, like, this, like, this nobody of, I guess he's an ADA, is it called somebody, he's calling his boss, like, listen, boss, we're having the Malcolm Rivers trial tonight and midnight. And he's like, what are we, dude? It's like, yeah, midnight session. He's about to be executed. So it's like, here's this competency hearing that's been approved at the last second. But yet, don't worry about it. You gotta fucking get your ass out of bed because it's happening right now

and like the prison transport has been authorized. We had to get the judge out of bed who is Holmes Osborne. Yes. Donnie Darko's father.

That's right. Yeah, that's right. The subject of this month's WLM as a matter of fact. That's right, which will be available on Patreon.com slash we ate movies which is quite a value.

It is quite a value. And that's not a freaky twist. It is. kind of great because, like, Holmes Osborne comes in, he's all pissed off, and he's like, can't believe you got me out of bed. He's got one of these, like, these Texas, uh, I'll call him like a Texas, uh,

dress coat where it's like, it's got the, the, the black flocking on the top, which I kind of like. I love it. Yeah. I love those things. I don't think, I don't think as a New Yorker, I'm allowed to wear them, but I do like them. The only New Yorker that's allowed to wear them is David Byrne. And you, sir, are no, David Byrne. But no one's going to stop you. If they want to, you know,

You know what, come and take it, all right? That's true. No, they wouldn't stop you, but they'd just be like, look at that short guy trying to be like David Byrne. More like David Bowen. But so he's like, we're starting the trial right now. They're like, no, it's actually illegal because my client's not here. He's like, I don't want to hear anything about that.

All I wanted to, I want to get through this trial because obviously, if you wheel and big old crew of Taylor Vins, the movie is ruined. So it's like this thing where it's like legal, because you can't legally have a trial without the fucking person present. That's literally... No, no, no, for the purposes of the twist ending of this tale, the prisoner will remain a mystery

until there's 15 minutes left in the story. Objection to your honor, there's a twist end of this movie. Oh, then it'll go right ahead. Oh, by all means. Nevada State losses, that's okay. Oh, the twist ending decree of 1973. Got it. All right.

So then... But, yeah, then we just like, we jumped. to John Hawks as this motel attendant. He's watching Wheel of Fortune and in runs John C. McGinley in a role that I can only describe as against type. Can I ask a question with his watching of Wheel of Fortune?

Too eagerly, right? Wait, he's cheering on. He's telling everyone to buy a vowel every turn which doesn't make a ton of sense. Sure. And he's cheering on when they do and he's also hectoring them when they don't. I mean, like, no one's watched Wheel of Fortune this intently. Never, never. And he's taking shots and stuff. He's having the time

of his life, Wheel of Fortune. I mean, I think when, you know, later on when we learn about John Hawks fake characters such as it is, like, yeah, I think cracking beers and cheering on the wheel is the only thing this guy's got keeping that gun out of his mouth, you know what I mean? But do you think that inside of you, inside of your psyche, there is a guy who gambles on Wheel of Fortune? Yes, that could enjoy that program. Well, that's exactly, thank you, Eric, because that's the number one problem with this movie. Like, if it's like, if it is this like battle for identity supremacy, like,

and these people were more like, I don't know what the word I'm looking for, but like not stock characters, but like strong characters. Like one, you know, John Cusack is the strong, you know, legal type. And he believes in what's right. And Amanda Pete is like the, is the lady, you know what I mean? Like, and there's like all these different things. Or a sexually promiscuous woman, like, oh, maybe this person's got, like, different, you know, sides to their personality.

That makes sense. But what does the mother from, what does the sister from mad about you have to do with any of this? What is, you know what I mean? What is nervous Johnson McGinley doing? Why is there an abusive couple here? Like, what are we talking about any of these people? I can explain all of this. Okay.

So Malcolm River is this guy that's got, it's all going on in his head. He's never, he's probably never driven a car. before, right? So he's like, oh God, so this is the guy, this is my personality that drives the car so he's kind of a nebish nerd and he's Johnson McGinley and even when he blows a tire, he even pulls over in a nerdish

manner. Dude, I've never seen more nerdy pulling over in my life, dude. It's crazy. And he's very weird. He is narrating the driver has to pull over at a 4 point degree angle and blah blah and he's like, keep your lights on, make sure that you check your passageways and all

this shit. It's like, oh boy yeah you got all them safety tips down but you didn't think you tell your wife not to stand out the fucking road huh maybe it's a prank in prison you know they only let him read the DMV manual

you're right because when he starts that safety speech the first thing he says is 10 and 2 he's like 10 and 2 turn into this kid okay hey foot off the cat like all this shit it's so weird but so he rushes in to this office he's holding his

bloody wipe. He says there's an accident. And Steve, to your point about, uh, this is a movie that feels like it was sort of hucked up from the 90s, here we go, dude. We are doing the freeze frame. Yes. What happened? Back up just a bit. Uh-huh. It explains their situation,

but then who could have hit her with the car? Back up a bit to see. And it's just like, enough already. There's a lot of flashbacks to like four minutes before, which can get annoying after a while. It very, you know, So it's like, oh.

For 10 characters, yes, it absolutely good. Like we have a, because this is how you're being introduced to them. And it's like, okay, oh, we got it flat. Why did we get a flat? Oh, we ran over a leopard print heel. Well, whose shoe could that be? Yes. And it cuts to Amanda Pete driving her car, which I guess Pruitt Taylor-Vincer's character

in some crevice of his mind is a big foo fighters fan. She's blaring all my life. She's coming down the road. I hadn't heard that song in a while. I was like, oh, that sounds kind of a banger. It's a rock and food funder's tune, yeah. But so, like, that happened. And then she's, like, she looks back and she's like, oh, did I forget something?

And then, like, it jumps back to what she was doing before she got on the road, which is, you see that she's a sex worker and she's got this dude tied up and she's giving this old timer a birthday cake. And it's like, okay, she robbed this old guy. It's on his chest. Go ahead, Steve. I want to hear, you probably know all about this secret perversion. Yeah, what's the technical term for this cake fetish, Steve?

No, that's just, you know, that's just, that's just cake play. That's easy. You don't even have to pay extra for that. That's easy. No, you don't have to pay extra only if you bring your own cake, though. Oh, yeah, she has to provide it. She's not going to the bakery, dude. Come on.

And you got to bring an extra jar of frosting, right? Oh, well. Stuff gets a little, right? Where do you put that, Steve? Right up your ass. I like this. I like where this is going. But she, but her accent in this movie is,

is in and out. And I don't think it has anything to do with her maybe being a figament of soda's imagination. I think because she's like talking like this sometimes, y'all. And then like for most of it, she's talking like regular Amanda Pete, which I forgive because that's just Florida for you. Yeah.

Well, it's weird though. I mean, there is a Floridian accent that is not the same like he-haw yuckle brother's shit that she's doing. Sure. With this accent at some point, The Floridian accent is not a southern accent, but it's a voice of some kind. And, like, she doesn't come anywhere close to hitting it.

But then the other time, she's just talking like Amanda Pete. And it's like, just talk like Amanda Pete, because this other thing is nothing. Like, I don't know what this voice is. Well, listen, this guy's mind, he's juggling a lot of people. He's got a lot going on. I forgot she sounded like that. I feel like if my person would be like, it's all just like a bunch of nerds, the same nerds. the same nerd, like one is talking about the Simpsons

and what is talking about comic books and it looks almost exactly the same. Yep. I would wake a judge up to kill you. Just to make sure you die. So you see, like she opens the suitcase and she's driving in a top-down car. A bunch of shit starts flying out of the suitcase,

so that's the shoe. Then it goes back to McGinley. Then this woman gets hit by the car and it's like, well, who hit her with the car? Then it cuts back to Cusack driving this limo. with a ridiculous Rebecca de Mornay. Well, he's driving Rebecca de Mornay and Rebecca Nournay's tits. Who might have more dialogue than she does in the film.

I mean, holy moly, dude. Let's get some seatbelts on those guys, too, huh? It's just, it's wild. She's like the nasty actress lady and like she's got the world's work. I mean, this old, remember when you had a fucking, a little antenna for your cell phone, man? That takes it back. Oh, dude, every time Mulder and. Scully whip out the antennas on their little cell phones on the X-Files.

I'm like, oh, that's nice. By the way, let's peep what she's been up to. Oh, my God. Peter 5-8 from 24, 24 with Kevin Spacey. Yeah, that was his return movie. Remember that? She's kind of a never-was. That's a little unfortunate because she, like, her big thing is,

Hand the Rock's Cradle previous episode. Yeah. And I guess risky business she's really big in, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then she's a bunch of stuff. like backdraft uh you know she's a really good actress actually but i just never had it no i never had that moment it's too bad yeah it is uh and then she's in this dog shit yes and she's like harassing john cusack because she's like oh my phone battery died can you get out this is crazy

can you get out the backup battery that's in my bag up there i would say yes ma'am once i pull over to the side of the road because we're in a torrential downpour in nevada and it might be at the end of the world. I'm not sure. Ten and two turn into the skid. Get over to the side of the road and then look for this dumb lady's cell phone battery. Uh, but as he's sifting through the bag, he of course is the guy who

nails John C. McGinley's wife here. Nice. Uh, so then it sort of cuts back to like the present or whatever. Well, I want to quickly, uh, you know, she at B. Mornay says like, like like, uh, like don't, don't help. Yes. You'll assume.

responsibility. It's also cool you think about this. You start getting wrapped up in this movie. You kind of forget like oh, Rebecca D. Monet, that's another personality. Well, yes, exactly. Yep. Oh, man, when my father used to beat the shit out of me, I would pretend to be a failed actress

to make that, to make the pain go away. I don't understand quite what this character represents. A dream that's a little lower is more achievable, I think. I guess so, yeah. I always think about myself as a failed podcast. because it's attainable

I think we also don't know like when each of these like things presented themselves oh no sure you know like maybe it was a thing he was watching something like risque one night

I see at this he's like in his teens or something he turns on the TV one night and he's like oh my would you look at that and then his little brain like split off again made the Rebecca de Mortonet like he's watching maybe it wasn't anything

salacious maybe he was watching like Sunset Boulevard or something. It's just some story about a nasty actress and he was like, I'll take one of those too. So we, this is, we meet some of these characters here and then we get back to the motel and John Hawkes is like, oh yeah, you know, you can lay the lady

down here. De Moorne is acting like a real piece of shit to John Cues like, because the other thing was they were on the road, we're told, because she got pissed pissed off. The production for whatever movie was putting her up in an unacceptable hotel and now she's pissed off that they got to stay at this lesser

motel or whatever the circumstances in which everybody winds up in the motel of the secrets that they carry it's just like again once you find out that no one actually exists you're like why do I give a shit why is it Ray Leota just just the cop

that's driving Jake Busey who cares if you was the criminal first what does that mean because it's cool to look at it's cool to look at I guess so I mean the thing is I think what they're trying to do Steve like something like split which I think is a better movie

is more contained and this is like I think they're trying to like they're trying to make it a real wait what because it is so expansive that you're like it can't be that

I think that's the expectation it sets up by the way John Cusack is like oh I'm going to drive to the hospital to call to get an ambulance to come here once you drive her to the hospital

because of your fucking car you don't want blood on your seats you don't want blood on your seats woman that you just hit on the side of the road which is part of you as well that road is also fake that's also you we should also say that her son is mute or either chooses

not to speak or isn't speaking or whatever johnsy mcginley says that the kid hasn't spoken much ever since the father left and johnsy mcginley's just the stepfather which makes it okay yeah anything's possible it's in your mind you're sort of allowed to do you can definitely

do a sun swap and that's an area then right it's all yeah it's all mind play so it's okay oh also to make it like a deep character kusacks uh what's his name jim in this movie ed ed yes ed uh he's reading uh jean paul south uh being and nothingness like man this alternate personality is fucking deep screen play we also come to find like a many many great screenplay characters is he used to be a cop you know, one of these cops that got burned out by the system, seeing all that shit every day, decided to become a limo driver to the stars. Honestly, right there is kind of a movie I'd watch.

I would absolutely watch that. And then he gets pulled back into like cop related mischief because indeed, you know, one of his fares is fucking killed. Like he pulls over to a gas station and he's like, I got to go inside to get some cigarettes and then we'll be on our way, ma'am. And she's like, yeah, no problem. And then like QSAC comes back out after getting the stokes. and then like she's dead in the car

and it's like hell yeah I'd watch that with that trailer I'd be one for limousine cop please I would go a little more maybe the limo driver you know that's kind of fun I mean limousine cop lets you know exactly what you're buying which I appreciate if he's the limousine driver

though then that also sets up like he's not just an ex cop but that could be like hidden John Wick shit yes exactly oh no you you fucking called the limo driver somebody walks in walks out like ah man I thought the limo was the cop fuck this

I would love wait a second secret underground world of limousine drivers right who have a natural war with the taxi drivers it's true

oh whose oh whose brother was it oh yeah oh speaking of fucking usual suspects when all the remember when all the shit came out with Kevin Spacey

and whatever and there was that interview they gave with Kevin Spacey's brother who's just some dude from like Colorado or something where he's a limo driver slash Rod Stewart impersonator

Oh no! Yes! Yes, yes, yes. Wow. Yeah, dude, they had some photos of him. Got to say, dude kind of looked like Rod Stewart driving. I didn't know the talent was all over that family. That's amazing. Dude, yeah, that guy just slid right into their role. But you know what? Here's the thing. Lightning struck twice. This guy, this limo

driving Rod Stewart impersonator, no fucking sexual assault claims on that guy. That's true. That I know of. Yeah, to be fair, we haven't really looked into that. So whatever, at some point here now, the limo is stuck in the water. He's pulled over, Cusack, that is, has pulled over to pick up Amanda Pete at this point.

And we don't even see what happened. This is some bad editing. We don't even see what happens. The car is just in this washed out part of road. I guess to just show you, like, yeah, we can't get through that way. but like we saw that already from Amanda Pete like she pulled up to it and then drove away herself so we already saw this shit

but I guess they were like well people are really dumb so we got to show like John Cusack drove right into this fucker and the car's stuck and here comes another car this is more character introduction because I believe right here's Clea Duval and other guy. Big time other guy as Lou

William Lee Scott is the actor yes and she's playing Ginny Clea Duval is So then it's This other guy was the weirdo Little guy and Gone in 60 Seconds with Cage Among other things

But so this is All right well now we have to use your cell phone I do like QSack coming after this kid Through the window like Give me your fucking cell phone now Because he was being really nasty and bratty And he just went in and grabbed him He's like we don't have a cell phone

Well you should just say that your asshole Exactly Yeah that's when someone first says, can I borrow your cell phone? The response is not, no, the response is we don't have one. It's really good that they made this in 2003, one of the last moments maybe that a, you

know, a wealthy adult would not have a cell phone. I didn't have one for many years after this as well, but I feel like a guy getting married in Las Vegas. You want a cell phone. Yeah. What was your, what was your cell phone year? Do you remember?

I borrowed my parents in like 2004. when I was working in the city doing internships and I didn't get a real deal cell phone till I think it was like two I think it was 2006 because I had to like get a job and you needed a

phone line to get a job in America that was me too do you remember I used to have that long piece of paper Andrew that had everyone's phone number on it sure do and I folded up and I kept it in my wallet yep you were the only one that I knew at school who was always like oh man I got to pay my phone bill and we'd be like what And you'd be like, yeah, the phone from the dorm, like, I use it to make calls.

And we were like, what fucking time did that too? I did that too. I did that too throughout college. I did that. But when I graduated school children, I bought a Motorola razor. And I thought I would never recover from this financial decision. I was like, what did I fucking do? I just signed my life away. That is a lot of money. I was I was 2002 is like when I went to college My parents were like Here's a phone

So if you get murdered We can listen to it I guess Like whatever it was It's like all right And it was a shitty Those the little silver Motorola's That didn't flip or anything And it was like the blue light

Buttons in the background That was the that's a parent That's a parent choice phone Yeah that's what I That's exactly what I barred From my parents in 2004 Oh that's amazing I got I had the razor too

That's also my first phone I thought I was hot fucking shit Oh yeah dude The premier cell phone You understand this This flips It is so thin It's only like nine inches

Yeah it's a R a Z R Yeah It doesn't need the O Or E or whatever it is Dude you were looking cool as hell With your razor phone Your Oakley sunglasses

And then I got drunk at the beer garden In Astoria Queens And it snapped in half Whoops As those phones were known to do known to do at the time. So we're here. We all go back to the hotel, and it's like, you know,

we're, we realize that we're not going to be able to get this woman out in time. And here comes another car with, with Ray Liotta and, oh, man, you don't know what movie's set in 2000, made in 2003, Jake Busey is involved. Heavily, heavily. This is around the same time I saw the film Tom Katz in theaters, which I think he's also associated. Hesda McNasty was around here. Oh, was a Shester McNussey a TV show?

It was indeed. Yeah, that's something. I got some catching up to do on Jake Busey. Jake Bucy. Also, a little after this, but not too far, was, I believe, the bad guy in Roadhouse, too, with Jonathan Sheck. Ooh, nice.

Hell yeah. But, yeah, so they come in. And what is going on with this Cleo Duval character? Right before Leota rolls up, she's like, don't you guys feel that something this place just got cold I feel like there's another draft of this somewhere where this personality claimed to have psychic powers

and like they kind of left two or three of those lines in the movie but not the other 20 of them explaining this she also is the you're right because she's always talking about the supernatural she's talking about the Indian burial ground and I'm like get the fuck out of here so that personality was the one

that was active in Pruitt Taylor-Vince when he watched Poultergeist for the first time I think there's the note we're supposed to take from that movie now it's just movies he's seen I think that's what Ray Leota is really that's true dude that's just he watched Copeland

because it got good movie but here we go Ray motherfucking Leota man still cannot believe that this dude is gone like I honestly when he came up in the movie like I forgot and in my head the first thought like this

it was only a split second but like those quick mind just mind wave thoughts i didn't say it that loud or anything but i was like what's he been up to lately oh my god he's dead like i totally and i was so bummed out for like 10 minutes like not just because i was watching identity but because i fucking was reminded all over again that ray leota passed away it's a bummer because he's actually good in this too you know what i mean he's like he's got like he's got like he's got that raleota presence that you want you know what i mean like and like when he's lying you're like oh that guy's lying

you know what I mean as opposed to like it is also weird yeah like everybody even John Hawks like what the hell how about a John Hawks who was alive

yeah what is I don't know what he's He was in that True Detective that was his last thing but that was like that was the first time I've seen him in a while

which true detective was oh right he was in the most recent one Yeah night country That was pretty good but the funny thing about that was yeah When he's on that, I was like,

what the fuck's he been up to? Wow, you're right. It's not like, not a super ton. I mean, the last thing I really remember him in on this list is three billboards. And that's a couple years ago now. Yeah, totally.

Yeah, that was fucking almost 10 years ago that movie. That's an eight-year-old movie at this point. It's a great actor. So, yeah, but so basically he's transporting a prisoner. He, Cusacks, like,

oh, could I use your radio? He can't, but I can't. And, you know, he keeps, you know, using, you know, he's like, oh, the radio's dead. I can't get anything off of it. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Leota is out of gas.

That's why they rolled up here. He's out of gas or whatever. So QSack, like, stitches this lady up. And, you know, it's this weird, like, well, how'd you, when'd you learn to do that? And he's like, when I was standing right where you are, like, to indicate, like, he's just winging it or whatever. And I feel like this is part of a thing where you should start as the viewer to suspect like something's amiss. Like, what do you mean this dude just sewed up this woman's horrendous neck wound we saw? I mean, if I tried him, oh, there's her, there's a jugular.

Sorry, folks. That's the ball game. Her voice box fell out. Sorry, everybody. I tried to do surgery. To be fair, he was a hearty herb killer. Might as well try. I, you know, I've already killed him.

Finish the job. That's true. this is where McGinley's talking about the kid hasn't spoken much in two years he's the stepfather, the bio father left two years ago and had a quote little temper problem yeah

and then right around here Jake Busey's transported to room number 10 and he's handcuffed to the toilet and now we'll come to find these room numbers will matter down the line oh they do they do and they don't because they do till they absolutely don't it's like everything in this movie it matters if i mean if you're watching the movie yeah it should

matter but no right so we go to the laundromat right and we see holy crow what is that in the laundry we do see we do we do get a moment of rebecca normandy like she leaves she's she's trying to get a bar of uh of signal with her cell phone yeah and she kind of gets like and that's the other problem too like aside from john mcginley who has a terrific death all of the most of the deaths are off-screen because we're trying to keep the secret alive. Sure are. And that's annoying because that makes the movie much less watchable.

It is. She like turns around and she gets like just like gagged by someone and then yes we go to the laundromat where her head is in the fucking dryer. And this is a great, I honestly again, and then this is where Mangold comes in being a great director, right? Because

like this scene is a great little bit of tension in like a real horror movie somewhere just not in this movie but like yeah he goes in and it's like oh three dryers are running and one of them is making a clunking sound and I really like

the like Cusack opens door one okay the pounding is still happening opens door two okay the pounding is still happening must be this other one across the way and like there is this shot of that third dryer like supposed to be I guess from Cusack's POV maybe

or just from his angle in general and it's fucking menacing man like It really works. And then you remember almost immediately you're watching Identity. Because I think then we just cut back to like the trial again and they're just kind of going. Because the trial kind of doesn't do anything until we finally get Prueh Tiller-Vinson there. We do get a brief moment that Jake Busey had escaped his toilet prison. Yes, because then we go to the trial.

Right. Because Hawks comes in to, you know, see what's going on. and, yeah, Liotta's also investigating. This is Kusak throws out around here that he used to be a cop. And then, yes, the room 10 key is there. But, uh-oh, that wasn't her room. That was Ray Liotta's room.

And then this, it's a great Ray Liotta line where Kusak goes, where's your guy? And Leota, in the classic Leota delivery, just goes, he's cuffed to a toilet. Like, it's so fucking great. And then, yeah, nope, he's definitely not. This, this, sorry, but this cut to, uh, back to the trial room.

this is where we're introduced to Holmes Osborne. Oh, right. And this is where we're introduced to the defense attorney, played by Dr. Levin from fucking Melrose Place. Mustach list, by the way. Wow. Yeah, very weird. I almost didn't recognize him without the Dr. Levin's stash there.

That's great. He's fantastic. We got also the last role of, I want to say, what's this guy's name? Peter Coffin or... Oh, the dude who played Officer Koharski in Wednesday. World. Frederick Coffin. Frederick Coffin. Who now resides in A.

Go on. If you're, if your last name is Coffin, it's a mandate you've got to be cremated. Yes, for sure. You don't want anybody making those jokes. Yeah. It's an awesome name, though. I might change my name to that. I get it, Campbell. I get it.

Bacon, Pig, police officer. That guy's so awesome. I do, like, there's this weird, and again, this movie is just littered with weird shit. Again, that it becomes meaningless once you realize that nobody actually matters

but like John Hawks' character A, somehow immediately Amanda Pete is just dressed like a woman She's wearing like a She's literally wearing like a jacket jeans And like you know they're tight But like it was the 2000s It was the style at the time

And he's like What are you some kind of hooker I don't rent rooms by the hour And I'm like A you're we find out You're a fake fucking motel owner anyway Right How are you clocking this woman as a prostitute

she's so it's not like we're in a tube top wouldn't it make sense if like he had seen her working the motel before and I know he's an imposter motel owner but could you just like I don't know maybe he was there for a month and really gave him a shot and he was like oh god I'm tired of cleaning up the common the blood or I mean the other thing is because yes he is a fake motel operator we learn but maybe because he doesn't know what's going on just yet so maybe he's like oh shit I left to keep up appearances as like a proud motel proprietor. What would I do? Turn hookers away at every chance I got. So like maybe that's why. Also though none of it matters because none of it's real. There's a that great moment when she's like you're not even looking at me I'm like looking at trash. Yes. Oh dude come on. Fuck yeah. But yeah so they make the big announcement. Caroline

Suzanne which is Rebecca D. Mornay. Yes. was murder And everybody freaks out This is where John Hawks, again, his hatred of sex workers calls Amanda Pete a hoe Just a straight up ho. A little guy like John Hawks, that's whore, that's hoo-uh, maybe This guy can't be saying ho.

It's tough. You sound like a real dummy. And she's like, how dare you call me that? What are you doing? I don't take orders from some professional slut. I'm an amateur slut Oh right this way Trying to make it to the majors

Amateur sluts only We learn a little more about Lou and Ginny The young couple They were married only nine hours ago In Las Vegas Because she told him that she was pregnant And that's why they got hitched

Right So what are your personalities Want to get married And one of them wants to lie about a pregnancy. And, you know, as, as one would, he, like, she tells him and, like, we get this very, like, dark domestic drama for, like,

four minutes. And again, like, because James Mangled, it's pretty affecting until you realize, like, wait, what am I watching here? You know what I mean? Like, there's a whole back and forth of kicking him out of the room, banging on the door. Meanwhile, Kusack sees all these defaced magazines, I think, from hawks that are saying shit like slut, bitch or whatever so that's all that's like a red herring everyone is a suspect we're trying to get into even though you're sort of just setting up jake busey to be the killer at least for now at least

for now because we said it like hey he finds yeah kusack stumbles upon john hawks like trailer or whatever and it is like you said filled to the wall with pornography and then also he finds a knife holster but the knife uh is not in it is the is the deal there right this is this jenny and lou scene. I mean, like, this much banging on a door, the fuck in front of your movie, better say, directed by John Cassivity. It's like, the utter screaming

that's going on in this domestic fight here and it's this whole thing, like she says, like, oh, I only lied about being pregnant because my friend said she saw you at the hawk with, quote, that fucking girl.

There's way too much here, man. Like, for a movie about a bunch of alternate personalities hanging out in a motel. Like, this is their own movie, and don't try to get me involved with it at this day. I guess, like, you know, if you're at death row, you get a lot of time, like, well, where would they go? Maybe it's a cool place called The Hawk. Maybe at the Hawk drinks a three for a dollar.

That sounds pretty cool. Absolutely. Better not bring that slut to the hawk. They got cheese puffs at the bar. You fill out the world, you know? That's true. That's true. You're getting the shit kicked out of you.

You're just like, oh, man, I'm just here. the hawk having a beat well the hawk always has really big musical acts coming this is fantastic it's kind of like the bang bag bar from twin peaks eddie vetter here at the hall fuck yeah dude you wouldn't believe the lineup of people that went through that small twin peaks bar oh dude the the foo fighters were there uh prue of taylor vince tells it right uh but the whole like john hawk's knife thing comes back here because Ginny emerges from

from her bathroom here She escapes out the window Because someone is banging on the door She sees she opens it And she sees the shadow of a knife Yes That's all I was trying to say We come to find that Lou has been stabbed

To death there as well And he's got a nine next to him I believe we're at nine here With nine personalities here Yeah And when we find out Who the killer is It's even worse

Because we'll just do it. It's the little kid. Apparently it's the little kid the whole time. The little kid personality, right? Yes, the little kid personality is killing the other personalities. Yes, okay. Which is like, I thought at the ending then he would maybe be reformed because we're told that he had all this trauma as a child

from seeing Grizzly murders. And I feel like he was just reliving them. And maybe now he could get beyond them, but that's not the case. No, I watched the movie Problem, Child, when I was a kid. And that junior was a real handful. Oh, yeah. I hear John Hawks have some of this lemonade I'm selling. Could you at least imagine Gilbert Godfrey then if you were watching Problems?

Absolutely. Give me some of that energy. Dude, that would be amazing if it's just like this really serious, dumb movie. And then just Gilbert is like the 10th guy. I would love that. Because I'm your anxiety. Like that would make some fucking sense. Yes, that's funny.

That's like a Pixar thing. Exactly. It is very close to a Pixar thing. By the way, Gilbert Godfrey, friend of the show. show dearly to party go look up our interview with him it's a great guy that's right that's right uh around here speaking of red herrings uh she's crying in the parking

lot about lou and it's like all right where's that fucker you've been uh hide or chained to the toilet there we cut to jake busy who's like running through a field and we've made one mention of across the way there's a diner and so jake busy you see he sees it in the distance we can see that it's very far away he runs to this diner

and then I feel like what happened here was we're right in this screenplay we get to the part where Jake Busey looks out the diner window and all of a sudden he's magically back on the property of the motel and then what happened was we did a Control S, we saved the draft the screenwriter went on vacation

came back two weeks later forgot what he'd set up there and then just kept writing the movie again like that's a cool thing and let's you know that there's like something otherworldly going precisely but it's not ever comes up again it's amazing well i mean it's because you can't leave because it's all in the same had yada yada yada yada but do you your point yes it is just sort of like where was i

jacobie he's just they caught him right they caught him yeah exactly and it's like just read back through your own draft no that won't be necessary i'll take it for me uh excuse me i wrote and directed two jack frost movies i know what's going on but because he just goes like jake mucy looks out the window of this diner that we can clearly see it's supposed to be like 100 yards away from the motel and we looks at the window he sees Ray Leota in the

foyer or the front part there of the motel and he just goes what the hell and then Ray Leota just starts beating the shit out of it well we should say also it's kind of great because the point of Jake Busey's character he's a red herring of a red herring of a red herring because he's also a red herring

of at this point in the movie you're like oh someone is transporting whomever Malcolm Rivers is to the to the trial that we're watching

and you assume that that is Jake Busey because you're watching a move you know what I mean because you haven't seen people in Prue Taylor Vince you're like

oh and then like when he gets killed then they're like yeah it's actually Prueh Taylor vins don't worry about it you know what I mean like it's just again

red herring upon red herring yeah and I you know it's too much fish for Betta's honestly like you know what I mean like let's let's get some

fucking cream cheese in here or something. It's way too much fish. But yet to that point we keep on stretching out these what ifs, you know, like, because Jake Busey gets tied up for real now and he's telling John Hawks like, like, what do you got in there? You could tell me I'm going to keep in secrets.

I've got a whopper myself. Yes. Oh, yeah. That secret is that he knows that they're all the same people. Like, what is that? The secret, the secret is that Ray Leota and him are jail buddies. Oh, that's fair, yeah.

Because that's an afterthought. That's like such a brief moment, but it's a good one for no reason. But that's what's insane about like the decisions with this screenplay because like you have the big twist that's given with 20 minutes left of the movie. All of these people are fake.

But inside the world, there's also like twists because it's like yeah, twist. Uh-oh, Ray Leone was actually also a prisoner and it was a double prisoner transport and they killed the guy and Ray Liot is pretending to be a cop

like okay that's the one thing and then at the end of the movie when it's like oh Amanda Pete isn't the last one and he's not saved and here's this little kid as the killer and then like we've got on the outside he's doing a fucking Michael Myers thing like yes it's too much it's

just too much because here's the thing there's just a lot of time in prison when you're doing your laundry you're like well maybe the prison transfer goes wrong and actually he's one of the other guys turns into the cop that car was owned by, it was owned by Ernie Hudson. Just a couple years earlier, he gave it up.

Oh, yeah, just had a bad transmission, but Ernie Hudson just wouldn't bring it to the dang mechanic. I thought it was going to be owned by John Voight. Like just, I mean, like, go on. Leota himself has also set up as a red herring, because you see at one point him in his room where he's putting a jacket back on, and you see the shirt that he's wearing, and there's a fucking hole in it with blood around it.

So you're like, oh, what's going on there? and boy sure is shit it doesn't matter none to this movie uh we keep cutting back to uh i should give her actor her actual name which is uh layla kensel leila kensel who is dying uh eventually she just fucking passed i mean like what you know everyone kind of goes by like hey how you doing hon and like not not not not not long for this world she's yeah it's pretty something One of my personality slowly bleeds out on a sofa. Do you ever watch Mad About You? I kind of had a thing for Richard Kynes' wife on that show.

What if she was one of my identities? Ooh, what if she was slowly dying? Oh, yeah, I just want to watch Fran from Matt about you. Green out on a motel bed. I often think of sitcom actors being hit by cars, so I get it. Cusack at some point, by the way, gives a big thing. about why he left the force and it's like a there was a jumper who jumped because he hesitated when she was like give me a reason to live okay that's fine he finds the room nine key in lose

dead hands yes could i say a little bit about that like the reason why well they talk about this when he's taking photos of the crime scene and he explains there used to be a cop but the jumper the suicide jumper was this pregnant girl riddled with AIDS Oh, yes, exactly. And ask me if I should why should I bother continue to live and I hesitate. Dude, he says, I couldn't think

of a single optimistic thing to say to her so she spread her arms and jumped. I mean, it's, and again, the extreme, this is in the butterfly effect part of the video story. Yes. Yep. Yep, exactly. Oh, yeah, she's got AIDS and she killed herself, but actually none of that happened

because it's all fucking fake anyway. Yeah, and you know, that means her fake baby had it, too, mares. And then, you know what, there's not even time to grieve for Sweet Lou because all of a sudden you just get, Larry, you motherfucker, and what is going on? But Jake Bussey has a baseball bat jammed down his throat and is also dead. Okay, I need to see this little kid. Like, if at the end of the movie you're going to tell me that the little kid did it, I need, like, a four-minute scene.

I'm like, come on, come on. Totally. Like, Jake Busy's just like, you're not going to do it. You're too small. Now, if I get a running jump. Yeah, dude, he's fucking, like, hopping his little ass on it, like trying to push it down his throat. Little farther.

It just is ridiculous. And also, this is, if you notice in the credits, somewhere towards the end, it's like, oh, uh, puppet tree. work by Greg Nicotero. This is a Greg Nicotero production right here, man. This Jake Bucy puppet. And if you were to believe

the IMDB trivia about this shit, someone from the movie, so the apocryphal IMD trivia, no, it tells you. Someone from the movie was like, man, Greg Nicotero, this is pretty fucking sweet. Can I take this work of art home? And they're like, yeah, and they put

it up in their office or whatever. And then one night, a cleaning woman saw it and freaked out and the production company got rid of it the next day. Now, somebody found themselves a Jake Busey reel doll, what I've always wanted. Yeah, totally. Let me fucking teeth fuck this guy.

Let's do it. Well, that mouth is very spreadable, we see it is. How do you kill someone shoving a baseball back to? How does that even work? How can how can anyone do that? Aside from Jason Vorees, I have no idea. Or like maybe a Michael Myers type,

which I guess we're trying to set up with this little fucker. But maybe, man, there should be a personality that is just Michael Myers. Exactly. That would be kind of cool. It's like, oh, yeah, my, my biggest personality is Michael Myers.

Yeah. Because I saw that movie and it was awesome. Oh, but actually Michael Myers, he got his jump shoot from a guy who died of AIDS. If you knew that. Yeah, I got a lot of time in prison. How did he get his shoes? I don't know.

We'll talk about that for a while. Well, flashback to five. minutes before to show how Michael got his shoes. We are, because everybody's screaming at John Hawks in this moment because they're convinced that John Hawks did it because it was his baseball bat that he'd been, you know, threatening with earlier. And I love, because

his name's Larry. And it just reminded me of the, you're killing your father, Larry, seen from Lubowski, because everyone is screaming Larry. And it's, because, like, Leona and Kusack are really giving it to him. And it's like, what were you doing outside, Larry? Is this your key, Larry? What were you doing?

you're Larry. I went to get something. I went to get something for a second. I didn't do it. And they also find that he has the actresses wallet, which had tons of money in it. And pro tip, okay? Take the money out of the wallet. That's right. You don't need that whole thing. No, you don't need that. If you want to grab a couple of credit cards for your trouble, go right ahead. But you don't need the whole fucking bag, dude. That's stupid. That's just pure evidence. But the funniest part of the movie's happening right here. Oh, please. Go ahead. Because he's like Larry's freaking out because everyone's screaming Larry and he takes out a knife and he puts it to Amanda Pete's throat and it's like I'm telling you I didn't do anything I'll cut her you get

away from me whatever she fights back and pushes him they go flying they knock open a freezer yes and this fucking body fell out man like this body falls out of the freezer and everybody is like what the fuck is going on and Larry big action moment here for Larry tries to waste race away with his truck and slams right into to John C. McGinley and crushes this man against a freezer. Because he's about to kill the kid by accident. He's driving around the kids in the road.

He goes, eke and takes a right and just nails McGillley, which you do get to see and it's a mangled thing so it looks pretty good. It's good. And the kid sees it. It's like, you can see like, oh, no, now this kid is everyone in his life has been murdered or whatever. But had he hit the kid, all these, the rest of these identities could just live in harm. yeah I guess that's right if he had just veered a little bit to the right instead damn

but this is where we cut back to the hearing this is where Dr. Levin is like defending that his client's not crazy and this is where we meet Pruitt Taylor viz like the meeting is brought to a stop right as Alfred Molina's talking or he's introduced as being hired to study his quote fractured psyche and yeah here he comes in in a wheel chair getting wheeled into the courthouse or whatever. And it's like, oh yeah, because none of this was allowed to trial. There's like notebooks upon notebooks of him being crazy

and like, it's a perfectly reasonable defense. Like, why, what when did, what did his lawyer do at that time? Well, I don't understand why they're, well, I guess because the whole, it's, they're leaning towards a the cops are intentionally withholding stuff so it doesn't look like he's crazy so we can

zap this dude. Sure. And the funny thing is with that part, that's a thing that's actually happening in the real world and the movie still doesn't give a shit about it. No, of course not. That's the actual thing that's actually happening. That should be another twist. The judge, Molina, they're all just in his head as good.

Everybody. We pan out to earth and it disappears because it was all in his mind. Oh, shit. It's somebody else's mind, basically. It's like you go to John Malkovich or something, you know what I mean? Malchovich, Malchich. Oh, yes. Malchvich, Malchvich.

And then it backs out farther and it's that. talk and pug from men in black I got a lot of time in my hands I got a big imagination exactly with this is John Hawks and he gets to do some John Hawksing here which is nice he's doing some good acting

where he gives his little fake back story where he's like talking about how he lost everything in Vegas he was on you know he's broke he's driving through the desert pulled in here running out of gas and he finds the manager dead in a microwaved pot pie he says

just sitting at the desk so this dude in order to like you know try to make some money I guess to get back up on his feet or whatever he starts accepting guests into the hotel and just taking their money we have heard him say earlier in the film repeatedly to them when they're checking in like cash only cash only cash only and it's this whole all I can think about

because they're like well what did you do after that and he's like well then more and more customers kept coming in all I could think about was when Kramer's telling that story about the bus and Jerry's like you kept making all the stops well they kept ringing the bell it's like just say you're closed go away

by the way this the frozen body that he shoved either the body he puts it in the freezer this is Stuart M. Bessor cameo the producer of the executive producer of the film produced tons and tons of stuff scream vampire in Brooklyn

Dr. Giggles Oh pro-living as fuck since we're talking about the IDV trivia there's actually one piece of IMDD trivia which lists the body count as 14 which is actually incorrect because the body count's fucking zero that's right yeah yep

you're right it's a fucking fantasy it's a fantasy it's one it's Molina at the end oh yeah that's fair Malina does get murdered it's because and you know what this is exactly what you know that bullshit like all those like readings of movies of like oh you know like the end of breaking bad

actually Walter White just died in this car this movie is what everybody wants apparently. Yeah, look how stupid it turns out. Exactly. Like, actually yes, it was all in his mind the whole time and nothing actually happened and guess what? That's worse than things actually happening. Yep, exactly.

Exactly. Also, like, what is that desire? I have no idea. What is that desire to like, and I think it's a thing where it's like because you're watching it wrong the whole time you're like not. Well, you're not wanting him to die right? Like you're watching it wrong. You think Walter White is like some sort of like

hero even at like his most Heisenbergian evil right and then it's like oh well if I can just say like here's the cutoff before he turned into a big bad man then he can still be awesome and whatever you know what I think people just people just like to feel smart or like oh that's a clever thought I had or read and like oh that makes you think then they move on with their lives because I'm trying to think it happened sometime this year with a movie where everyone there's a significant about people like oh no actually it's a death dream

it was tar was in her mind exactly the whole movie yes what is wrong with people they had the thought what she was always she never made it at all to begin with she was still the girl at the house when she visits the parents house or whatever

you want every movie to be identity Congratulations. Right. You just found, if you're one of these people, we just found your new favorite movie. It's James Mangold's identity. And I saw,

there were some prominent podcasters who thought that Tar Theory was real and I was just like, no. That's a bonk town, man. No one's trying to pull the wool over your eyes like identity, all right? Well, no, exactly. And if they are,

they will tell you at some point as opposed to just having it be a real regular movie. So whatever. Now Hawks is time. up uh yeah we're talking we bring uh cleo deval brings up the indian burial ground situation maybe it's the burial ground and fucking kusikes like what are you talking about clea deval that certainly sounds like something from a different movie uh and she kind of goes through it like apparently the u.s government moved all these dead dead bodies around it's like okay

great uh and this is this is where they bring up because now we're all like consolidated in the room yes and ray leota's like no one's leaving or whatever And this is Cleo Duval again. She asks what this is sort of like structurally based on. They don't say it, I feel like, because the finger thing means the money. But she's like, did anybody see that movie where a bunch of people arrive on an island and they all die and they realize that they're all sort of linked to each other. And she's talking about Agatha Christie's 10 Little Indians, which I believe the original time.

No, no, no, no, no. We won't be saying that. No, no. But I'm just saying, I believe it was much more racist than that. I think it goes by And then there were none Which is like the cool title Which I'm sure Agatha Christie

In her cold racist hands Couldn't stand Yeah No I know what that's called It's cold No that's it Well now she resides in hell Exactly

But so because we're thinking About 10 Little Indians She's like oh Maybe there's like Some connection between us all So then we start You know talking about like Where we're from

This is where you get all the fucking Amanda Pete is from Florida and she's driving back there yada yada yada i do like john hawks being like yeah i'm from that town too why are you going back to florida exactly uh just giving it all up uh sex work wasn't out for her and it's time to grow

have an orange growth there you go dude hell yeah she's like i'm gonna grow like fucking oranges and limes and stuff and i'm like yes citrus farm fuck yeah let's go dude work on the work on the toil of the fields all day you take some limes back you know make a cocktail or three at the end of the day sounds very romantic but you know most of that's you're you're chasing snakes with a rake i mean yeah yeah it's not the glamorous farming life i'm thinking of and then you go to the fucking you know the farming store and i was like where are you going shitty girls all right

i get it yeah and they're like this what do you mean charging money for them oranges they should be free They should be free. Those oranges should be free, you socialist. We voted for them to be free, which is not socialism. So boy, oh boy, yeah, this is around the same time they just find this woman dead in the bed. Yes. You get the Leota is like, hey, Ed, she's dead. Kind of great.

This kid starts crying as Ray Leota on the. the floor next to this dead woman finds key number six. And they're like, wait a second, we were on eight. Where's seven? Right. And they said, well, it doesn't make sense. She died in an accident. And they're like, well, George got killed in an accident.

So they go out to inspect the truck, right? Yes. And then, dude, this is hysterical. I mean, I, you know, I'm not saying you got to bury the guy, but you just left his mangled corpse stuck between the truck and the ice machine. What do I have the jaws of life of my back? pocket. You know, you do have the reverse pedal. Yeah, totally.

Why don't we try backing that up a little bit? Let that corpse settle on the ground. This must have been a miserable shoot because they keep coming in and out every character into the rain, into the pouring pouring rain. And you know, like, someone's like, sorry, Mr. Cushack, got

to do it to you. Like, do you have, yeah, I do. Got to do it to you one more time. Sure, just dump this bucket of water over your head. Now say you're lying. No kidding. I mean, between like, the pneumonia and the athlete's foot no thanks man no thanks

apologies miss pete it's not this brings me no sexual pleasure to douse you with water once again sort of sounds like it when you mentioned it can't you at least warm this water up before you're dumping on us oh no we don't have hot water money on this

here production so there's a freak out here where QSack is like all right everybody is getting killed here. I want you guys to go in the car and just drive, she tells, he tells Amanda Pete, like just you Ginny, Cleo Duvall's character and little Timmy

here. You just drive up and down the road. Drive until you can't drive anymore and then turn around and drive it the other way because at least if you're not in this motel, maybe you won't die. Ray Leota doesn't get too hip to that, but it doesn't matter because Cleo Duval and this little kid get in the car and it just blows

up. Like the fucking mafia was there. which is fantastic and then like they're like well how the hell did that happen and then the stupidest part of this movie they go there and there's no body's like there's got to be some kind of body and then we go to every single body that we've already discovered like well that body isn't there that body is we go all the way back to the goddamn dryer it's like well where in her head go i'm like good lord i don't care this is where i definitely be like oh man I know for a fact that people in my party here have been killed.

I've seen the evidence of the corpses and now they're missing. We got ourselves a Jason Vorty's on our hands here. This is Michael Myers' handiwork. Like nobody's business cleaning up after himself like this. But then instead of suspecting Jason Vorees, we start to compare each other's birthdays to what else do we have in common? Every single person's birthday is May 10th. Oh.

Spooky. this is right after Amanda Pete's been doing some I still know what you did last summer screaming yeah she gets frustrated with everything and she just runs out of the terrain and is like what the fuck do you want from us totally Jennifer love and do we mention I guess Ginny exploded or whatever

yeah she's in the car with the kid yeah yeah yeah the Cusack has that line where they're like oh well maybe they someone John somebody says like oh maybe they were just incinerated to which Cusack because he's the grizzled old cop is like no Oh, even if that happened, there'd be pieces left.

Oh, yeah. This life, they probably had AIDS, too. A Mexican woman probably committed suicide in the car. Stay back from that car that's got, those flames have AIDS. Fire AIDS are coming out of there. Oh, this world. Oh, boy. And then QSek starts putting together right here sort of on his own.

Like, the power starts getting funky. Yeah. And he's like saying the. names of all the people like he's reading the driver's licenses and it's like ed dakota paris nevada that's you know man to pete and so on and then he starts reciting the pruit taylor vince i saw man at the top of the stairs or whatever the fuck that thing is who wasn't there he wasn't there again today i wish he would go away yes i didn't type it all out so thank you and then what we get the the twist happens now we still got who am i speaking to right now who am i speaking to right

No. We still got movie left, but here's the twist. John Cusack is wheeled out for this judge and this court proceeding thing. Yeah. Like he wakes up in the seat that we've seen Pruitt Taylor Vince, like, already sitting. Wait, what? Yes. There is. And much like me, every morning, he looks in the mirror and says, what'd you do with my face?

Yes. Yeah. Did you imagine, like, you know, looking in the mirror and just having to see a big old fat guy? Oh, yeah, I can. oh god well what a you know what a horror what a horror

maybe I'm a pretty girl and then Paris Nevada how about that but yeah so like Alfred Molina's like what happened at the motel and he tells them everything that's going on

and then this is where Molina and you gotta get someone like Molina to do this because it's terrible like you know there's no screenwriter in the world that could make this sound

not stupid so you need like a good actor to sort of help it rise above the stupidity and Molina is like a good example of like, well, it's dumb, but he's making it sound a little better. He's got the accent, baby. Yes, exactly. And you, Edward, you are one of his personalities.

And he says this is an experimental therapy procedure that I put you in, wherein all of your personalities will fight each other and one will remain. That's like, wait, that is a real, when did that happen? Because that's not in the movie. Well, I'll tell you what, if there were ever a time for a, flashback, which this movie is not opposed to. Like, here we go. I would love it's like, oh, yeah, if you take this drug,

it'll make you a little more hallucinogenic and be susceptible. And it's like, you're in a hotel. Hey, hey, I just read it. Then there were none. And then, you know, you'll get it. Yeah, yeah, you'll get it. I do love the freak out, though, where, uh, because it cuts back to peritil.

This is actually, again, I feel like this is some mangled goodness here where it's Cusack and then like Molina holds up this mirror and Cusack looks at it and it's Pruitt Taylor Vince in the reflection and then he goes to look at the window, sees Prueh Taylor Vince and then it cuts back and Prueh Taylor Vince is in the chair.

That's all actually technically really well done but like when he's back as as Pruitt Taylor Vince he just screams, I live in Hollywood I have an apartment in Hollywood though you don't. Oh God it's so fucking funny but yes reducing the number

of identities because this personality is going around killing everyone and he's got to figure out he needs his help to rat out the killer and get the identity of him. If that's the case, I want him to go through the whole fucking menagerie. You know what I mean? I want him to do like, I can't wait to get another role

in my dying film career. Ooh, I'm a sexy lady. Look at my big tits. Uh-oh. I'm a nervous guy. I'm such a nervous driver. Holy shit. I just figured out how you could make this movie a little less stupid, possibly. bear with me. It starts Cusack and Molina

together like they're in some office and what's going on is Cusack is still a cop and Molina's like here's the deal here's this guy, he explains the whole thing right? But what we need you to do, John Cusack like we have all this information about you your personality, whatever, your history

we're going to plant you in his head like make him susceptible so that like his brain creates a John Cusack personality right? So it's like it's the cop personality all the cop skills and everything like that and he's like and now we will send your personality as part of it into him he won't know any better and you will use you know your detective skills to root it out at least that way then like from the jump john kusack is like this dude

undercover in this guy's mind trying to root out who it is and that way we can see him do detective work it's not all this big mystery thing right little inceptiony that's nice yeah yeah totally it would be it would be a nice like way to make that like Again, that's a cool, that's the flashback. You know what I mean? Like when this happens. And then you're like, oh, wow, this kind of. And then actually the last 20 minutes has some agency

because you're kind of rooting for the John Cusack. Exactly. And instead, he's like, he just starts freaking out again. And Molina's like, okay, like you're going back to the motel. Now remember what I told you. Which is remember what I told you. Like, and this is like, there's your twist. That should be towards the end.

The fact that we go back to this motel and then have a flashback of Ray Leota. escaping, he was also a prisoner with Jake Busey and he stabs, the cop that's transporting them, pulls over the car, puts on his clothes, hence the stab wound in the coat. I have ceased to care. That has had to happen before this twist. Now I just do not care anymore.

Because it's not real. You could have easily moved that up in the movie. Yes, exactly. It just, no, it's just, it's 1,000% bad editing. There's no, we should not be having any bullshit flashbacks after the twist of this is revealed because why on God's green earth would anyone give a shit that Ray Leota killed that cop? Because we were just told he was a fucking figment

of this dude's imagination or an alter personality, whatever you want to fucking call it, it does not matter. I mean, when we were caring about trying to solve the mystery of who's killing who, if you put that flashback earlier, then you're like, oh shit, it's probably Ray Leota. Exactly. Exactly. But now you put it after the twist and it's just like, what are we doing?

You got to do that flashback when we, the audience, see the hole in his shirt. Yes. Because the film, it's not like a blink and you miss a thing. The film very clearly is like, look at the hole in his shirt. So we look at the hole in his shirt. You make a little flashback, whoosh sound. You see this Jake Busey flashback with him. But again, we can't do it there because they're so obsessed with like keeping the red herring on Busey maybe.

So it's like, why would we give that up? before the last 15 minutes of the movie, I guess. I don't know. It's really dumb. But around here, Hawks, John Hawks gets killed by Ray Leota, who's like looking for car keys or something to get away. Hawks bashes Leota in the head with a fire extinguisher, which is also kind of nice.

Yes, and he's trying to save Amanda Pete because, like, you know. That's it, right? Yeah, Hawks is gone now, too? Yeah, Hawks gets killed right here. And we get a little, like, Ray Leota, Amanda Pete, cat and mouse. and Cusack comes back at this point and confronts Ray Leota, they have their sort of shootout here,

their fucking high noon moment here out in the front of the motel. I do actually like Cusack in this moment. He is playing it that his character does have new information because he just sort of like coldly comes up and pumps like five bullets into Ray Leota. Like Leota gets one off on him,

but he shoots the shit out of this guy. Which also apparently, which is kind of a, spoilers for the trivia when Ed shoots Rhodes at the end of the movie you can see Rhodes mouth the words I didn't do this and Ed replies I know neither of which are audible in the movie

because they took the dialogue out because the director felt it would make it too obvious that Rhodes was not the killer thus making the true climax less surprising no one cares about who the killer personality is no not at all that does not matter anymore it's actually like

that actually having to your point Andrew like that actually makes him this avenging weird personality thing that's a little more striking and cool at least you know this is what you do you put the you put the twist after the shootout like you're like oh shit they're both dying or whatever and then he's wheeled out yes at that proceeding and you're like oh shit yeah and you could keep the dialogue

you know I didn't do this I know you know yeah yeah oh exactly exactly and like when when Ed is dying right here you know she goes because she's saying to him like where did you go when you left? Which I guess we don't see that either, but I guess the QSAC personality just vanished from the world. Yes.

Because when he does come back into it, he's very far away from the motel we see. He comes back into the world like on the other side of the road. But she's like, when you left, where did you go? And he goes, or what did you see when you left? And he goes, I saw you. I saw you in an orange grove.

And like, you could have the transition right there because we see Pruitt Taylor Vince. It cuts to him and he's saying the same thing. You know, he's saying Orange Grove and the tear comes down his face it's a little later but like that is how you could do it where it's like that's your reveal

and then oh my God there's two minutes left of the movie not 17 you know what I mean and then you're in and you're out you robbed that bank baby you left everyone in the theater going and then credits are rolling

no but you have to give Amanda Pina Academy Award losing performance here like what have you where did you go come on i'm gonna bring you to a hospital pick yourself up damn it and i'm like neither of these people are real i do not give his shit right but then now we go back to that court thing right and he's putting the care of malina there his execution's been stayed stayed yeah also does the movie believe it would be better to kill him or not you know what

is this movie's position on the death penalty in this way because he does trick them here right Right? Like, that's the twist, twist of the ending? See, that's the thing, right? If it doesn't have that, the message is the day is saved, a mentally ill man wasn't executed, and he's just going to go live in a care facility and that's the end of it. But because they're driving down the road and then we have the back inside, which we can just talk about because it's right here, we go back inside the world and Amanda Pete gets to the Orange Grove and she's doing some farming. and this little disgusting shit boy comes out of nowhere with I believe it's a hoe

funny enough, the gardening equipment and we and this little kid's like you fucking whore like whatever he says whores don't get sick and chances oh right I mean like and you and you

Is that you Larry? He says it and then Prudel and Vince says it so it's like oh wow and then like he stabs her in the back and then meanwhile Pruitt Taylor Vince in the reality chokes out Alfred Molina and somehow

subdues this other guy I guess that's easy to do. Yeah there's the other see that's the other thing right you got Alfred Malina but then you got ambulance driver or van driver guy there is it is a massive LOL though because like when the reveal happens it's like tra la la la like doing some

gardening and she's like oh what's this in the dirt and she pulls out the final motel room number one key and she's like Like what? And then when he, when it's like revealed, like here's a little kid Timmy, there is just a montage of this kid and you see him briefly killing all the people. Fuck, that's funny. This kid was auditioning for the first omen. And I mean like also like, like, so Lou, you're yelling at your wife.

You're trying to bang this fucking door down. This little shit boy comes in. I'm punting this kid into the next county. Totally. This kid got the drop on you. I mean, the Jake Bucy one is impossible. But like, like, I mean, come on. Lou. And I mean, again, who in the audience cares that it's the little kid versus Ray Leota

versus whatever? They're all, none of them matter. They're not real people. Yeah. And then the last thing you hear is just the kid is whispering, you're seeing the van sort of slowly drive off the road and the kid is whispering the I wish you'd wish you'd go away. Yes. And boom, that is the end of identity. And me in 2003 in the theaters just went, Oh, man, yeah, my fucking dumbass, 22 years ago leaving that theater. Can't wait to buy this on DVD. To that point, it's okay to like a movie, and I can see elements of what people would like about this,

yourself included as a young child, but... Yeah, young pup. I will say, actually, it's kind of funny, because all of the movies that we're doing in this wait, what you are all about the same time. Donnie Darko is probably one of the... is maybe the same year as this or so. It's like 2001, maybe.

Yeah. Maybe a one even. Yes, but like, and then, you know, next week's episode Vanilla Sky, that's like 2001. 2001 is Donnie Darko. Yes. Vanilla Sky's 2001. Uh-oh. Wait a second.

Do we have the same birthday? Oh, wait, what? This was the style at the time. We loved twist endings. And I bought Blu-ray. I bought DVDs. I think the movie, uh, what is it? What's that fucking?

shitty Dustin Hoffman Con the Consequence The Con artist movie With Ed Burns That's got a dumb twist ending that I loved So I had to have the DVD of it Oh that is gonna kill me Yeah what is that movie

That movie sucked ass Confidence 2003 Yes it is 2003 we loved that shit at the time It was the style of the time We just had fucking zero respect For the audience at every turn M night was big in 99

and, you know, signs 2002. So the tradition continues. Just absolutely wild. You know who directed that confidence movie is James Foley? Oh, right. You remember him from some of them 50 Shades movies there, you see. Oh, Foley artist. He made all the whipping noises.

But that is the end of this movie here. We'll go around the horn here for some final thoughts. and I guess possible recommendations, Eric Siska? Yeah, I mean, I remember also, like, thinking this was kind of a cool movie back of the day. I never owned it, never went back to it. And it's not really a recommend, folks, but I do see what you could like about it.

I really do miss these kind of, like, mid-budget movies that had, like, a good crew and a great cast, or, you know, an okay cast. And it's, it's, I just wish we would, finance some of these kind of dumb things again even though i'm not recommending it i still had an okay enough time watching it i i know it's dumb though and it's not really a recommend but that's the that's the that's the the conundrum of the wait what you are is i'm going to probably like some of this stuff even though i don't really really like right yeah i feel you're on to

something there uh steve say yeah i can't i've always been irritated by this one even though i like again, I think it's sort of similarly because I like the first half of the movie because of the mangledess of it all. Mangled, again, I actually, like, I was surprised how much I like to complete unknown. Like, it's a really well-directed movie

that, like, feels like a real movie, which, you know, a lot of those biopics do not. Right. He's a guy that, like, I, I, I, I, the weird, he doesn't have like a trademark of like, oh, that's a mangled movie because such and such happens.

It's just kind of like a really well-crafted little story. And that's what this movie almost is, but the screenplay is absolute dog shit. And I can't exactly recommend it to know. Yeah, you know, I will say, God, I mean, I guess it is a light recommend. If you are, you know, in the camp of maybe being like a mangled completist, I can totally see that.

I mean, I do, I'm looking over at the, his directorial efforts here. And like, most of his movies that I've seen, I either enjoy or really enjoy to some degree. So even, I mean, speaking of fucking biopics, but like that walk the line, you know, is sort of like the ground zero for those movies. Like that, that and Ray kind of around the same time. And so that like, I get it like when you get the walk hard of it all and like it skewers that stuff. But like it just there was so much of it and there's only so much you can kind of do with those kind of movies.

I would argue walk the line is still kind of a pretty good movie. But this, yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't know, folks. You know, again, it is kind of cool. but like if you want an example of like what we're talking about this month where the twist ruins the movie you know especially this one I feel

the twist is going to ruin it either way unless it's really up front like we were talking about so like you'd still come out of it if it was the last two minutes and be like well that was fucking stupid because you're telling me all that I invested in means nothing yes right like all the shit we invested in with Amanda Pete and her hard life and it all means nothing and I will say about James Mangold

what I do also really appreciate about him. All these movies are very different. A lot of them anyway. He takes risks and he does a lot of different projects which is exciting because not many people do. Yeah. And I mean, you know, I know you guys didn't like

it as much, but I really liked Dial of Destiny and like for a dude to have the balls to be like, yeah, I can try to make a movie where only Steven Spielberg has made the other four. Like, that's a gutsy dude and I appreciate the chance taking so, you know, props to Mengold overall on the career. I don't want to have

a re-watch of that. I'm actually kind of excited to do it. I'm actually still, I still have never seen it. I really do need to watch it. Oh, you should. Because I mostly like James Engel. Speaking of a wait-what, that movie's got a wait-what at the end. There's a little bit of a wait-what at the end of that movie that I feel is why Steve will inevitably hate it. It's kind of one of the reasons why I think it's

rad as fucking kind of beautiful. It's kind of fun. I need to reevaluate it, but yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so all this to say, this one is maybe a little bit of a recommend, but not a full-throated one. I believe Chris Cabin did say it was one of his favorite movies of 2003 though

so definitely you all remember that and repeat it at length but that is going to do it for this episode this week if you want more We Hate Movies of course check out the Patreon.com slash we hate movies where you can get this exact show without commercials which is pretty sweet including or in addition to all of our bonus shows our family of shows

that we have over there we have already talked about this month's We Love Movies is going to be all about a big one for me. Donnie Darko, man. That is like 18% of my teenage years. You know what I mean? It's just that movie. It was a big one man. That was the one that, you know,

it was like when we were of the age where people were going around the dorm room like, did you see this fucking movie? Well, you know, it was really cool at the time, you know, you're getting into film and like here's this weird, a new movie. Right. It really had a hold on that time period. Absolutely. So we're doing that this month on

We Love Movies. Do we know what's going down on the Gleap Glossary this month? We will, we will, you know what? We do, but you got to wait for the twist. Which I will reveal what it is next to. Yes, exactly. Yeah, a lot of these early in the month episodes where we don't have the rest of the Patreon selections picked out.

Sometimes these promos are a little fit. Oh, I see you cut to Molina telling the truth over here what's going on. Yeah, a similar situation with animation, damnation. I'm going to try and find something with maybe a twist. I don't know what that's going to look like. But I will say, just to be clear, Chris is going to come back next week because whores do get second chances.

That's fair. At least our little whore. We have a once in a lifetime. Oh, yes. Oh, but that's for February. Oh, shit, that's for February, though. That's what we're, that's what we're. Oh, right?

Oh, my God. Twist, that's this month. Twist, Andrew has no idea what month it is. Take it away, Eric. We are doing tall, hot, blonde, all spelled weird. because it's a screen name, okay? You have to understand that. It's directed by Courtney Cox.

It's a TV Lifetime movie from 2012. Garrett Dela Hunt, who's a movie actor. It's about him getting catfished, and it looks like a hoot. Watch along with us, join us on Once in a Lifetime. It's spelled T-A-L-Hot, Hot, Blonde, no E on that blonde. All one word. All one word. It is rentable online.

Do not rent the document. from 2009, because this is ripped from the headlines. We are doing the movie from 2012 directed and with a small part, I believe, by Courtney Cox. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Very much looking forward to that. Of course, we'll

also have our monthly installment of Melro 210, a show where we go through an episode of Beverly Hills 90210 and an episode of Melrose Place. Things are continuing to get crazy on both sides of the ball for that show. So if you want to get hip to that, catch up now, all on patreon.com.

slash we hit movies. Now, Steve. So next week, the show continues. Steve Sadek. Wait, what you wear, he is just getting underway. What movie are we talking about next week? I haven't seen this movie in about 20 years. Vanilla Sky. So it's going to be a brand new. This is almost a clean slate. Like, I know I kind of don't even remember what the twist is.

It's just like Tom Cruise and a rubber mask for somebody. You know what? Just going in and try to enjoy it. Exactly. The Cameron Crow movie, I remember liking it when it came out. I remember because Kurt Russell's in it. I love Kurt Russell. That's right. Jason Lee as Tom Cruise's friend and as a kid I was always like,

could you imagine having Jason Lee as a friend? Oh my God, that'd be amazing. Also, it's just hilarious that Jason Lee being friends with Tom Cruise in a movie. I mean, that's kind of great. Both, you know, sharing the same religious belief, I guess, was what got them in there. But I'm excited about this because I saw this movie one time. I saw it in theaters and I didn't care for it.

And I believe part of that is because I was a dumb teenager, getting ready to like shit like identity two years later. Sure, but I haven't seen it in years. So who the hell knows? I just know I swallowed your cum, okay? And I got a story about that line. Oh. Which I'll tell next week.

Oh, yeah, swallow it for now. Tell us to, tell us next week. I'll swallow it now, but I will spit it out to everybody next week where we're talking about Cameron Crow's Vanilla Sky. Until then, I've been Andrew Juven. Steven Say that. Eric Siska. Take it easy.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.