We Hate Movies - S15 Ep785: Primal Fear

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

“[This movie] has the vibes of The Fugitive...” - Andrew On this week’s episode, WAIT-WHUT-uary goes into legal thriller territory with a chat on the totally entertaining courtroom drama, Primal Fear! What an absolutely phenomenal cast, no? How hilarious is John Mahoney getting so psyched over all that Chinese food? Wouldn’t we all have watched that Andre Braugher Goodman TV spin-off it feels like they’re setting up? How great is it to have another movie where the great city of Chicago is a character? And how about that twist, huh? Can they make movies like this again, please? PLUS: Welcome to our new podcasters-only bar and dispensary, Pod Suds & Pod Buds™️! Primal Fear stars Richard Gere, Edward Norton, Laura Linney, John Mahoney, Alfre Woodard, Frances McDormand, Terry O’Quinn, Steven Bauer, Joe Spano, Tony Plana, and the late, great Andre Braugher as Tommy Goodman; directed by Gregory Hoblit. Tickets are on sale now for our three-night residency during the Oxford Comedy Festival! We’ll be doing six shows over three nights from July 18 through 20, doing shows like WHM, W❤️M, The Nexus, The Gleep Glossary, and Animation Damnation! Tickets are going fast, so friends over there, snag your tix!  Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

This week on the program, Wait, What You, Erie tries to tangle with the Catholic Church As we discuss primal fear. I'm Andrew Jupp and Stephen Shadak, counselor. Roy Siska. A, Chris Calfame. And we hate movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in, as always. That's right. You're catching us knee-deep in. Wait, what you're hearing.

Wait, what? We're talking about all sorts of movies that just take some pretty crazy left turns, man. This week, that is right. 1996 is Primal of Fear directed by Gregory Hoblet. Now, this fella, not a huge directorial career, but some of this stuff wanted just to... Well, he never leaves the Shire, you understand.

He never leaves the Shire. Is that even smaller than a Hobbit? A hobbit. A hoblet. It's like when a Hobbit and a Brownie have a kid. Brownie was another type of small fantasy man. It was in a pastry of anything. well there's that too

watch this shit though the year after this this this was his feature debut the year after this Fallen great movie that also could wait what you're definitely that's a wait what you were definitely next wait what you wear

frequency oh yeah I'm talking to my daddy on the dead dad on the radio oh no I did the time traveling with my daddy turned conservative oh no we are talking to your dead dad on the radio call in hearts war with Bruce Willis which nobody

nobody so why would you another i believe it's another what kind of movie fracture with ryan gosling little bit yeah yeah yeah there's a little bit of a what going on there and then untraceable oh wow we have to we definitely do untraceable that movie gets requested all the time and it's like it's definitely it's him trying to do saw kind of like it's like online it's like uh everybody can log into a website and watch someone get killed god it's become so popular that like oh they can't stop it like they can't take it like they can't take his sight down. Oh, that's stupid. Could you send me that link?

So I think just... Untraceable, Eric. In looking at that, I think it's safe to say this is his best movie. Sure. I would agree with that. I like this atmosphere. The director of photography is a big guy to Chapman. He did taxi driver and a bunch of other stuff.

So it's so well shot. There's such a good atmosphere here that you don't get anymore. And I wonder, is that because I'm just longing for 90s, Chicago? You are. Not modern day. anything. That is absolutely it because having seen Fracture and untraceable, neither of them look particularly

good. They both look pretty shitty. Are they set in Chicago? I think Fracture is. Don't quote me. This, like the 90th Chicago thing, the fact that this is like, it's just a meat and potatoes legal thriller more or less. It just has the vibes of the fugitives so much so that I believe at the

start of this movie when he rolls up to the hotel, when Richard Gere gets to that hotel for the big Catholic charity conference or charity ball, whatever it is. sure. I'm pretty sure that's the hotel from the end of the fugitive. Oh, nice. Awesome. So it just, it has this vibe to it where it's, it's

dad for noon to the extreme, but with this movie, yes, child molestation is involved. There's a couple of cops in this because we're doing that they're the fugitive that are from the fugitive. These sausage eat motherfuckers are just like, what are you talking about the butcher boy there for? The one that stops gear outside of the house

when he's coming. That is 100% of fugitive guys. I'm just going to sit here reading my magazine. Hope nothing's game. getting screwed with evidence-wise in there. I love that authenticity. You know, I guess the Safty brothers are the closest we have today, getting weirdos off the street. Oh, yeah, just freaks that you saw in your neighborhood or whatever.

Ferrar occasionally we'll still do it, too, with his weirdo movies. Hey, hon, I'm going to be another cop and another Chicago movie. Yeah, this time I'm reading a magazine sitting down the whole time. Pretty sweet. I think they're going to be up for Phantom of the Opera next. I'm hoping I can get some singing in there. Yeah, this version is about a cop. They got coffee spilled in his fucking face.

Speaking of that What cops would probably do is rent a VHS tape Oh Oh Oh yeah Coming soon into theaters There it is We are back at the VHS trailer game

I don't know why Eric is I feel like a fugitive Because you know what It's just You're being shot at from the guard tower Whenever you play this game Is that what you're doing That's what it feels like

Okay Well what you're doing quite well Am I Eric You are currently at the head of the pack I don't care how many points you are 24 Steve is at 23

and Andrew is at 8 and we are going we have plenty of time plenty of time numbers up of course this is like a season of baseball there's plenty of these games you guys know how this all goes

so let's just get right into it we are going to be starting a new kind of question on this one I like create it's waiting what it is for wait what you are it is a bit of a turn at the end Okay, so number one

Now this is off the primal fear VHS tape This is off the primal fear of VHS I might pick one of them off the UK version Got it, yeah, but it's still like 97-ish It's all 95-97 era Okay This big budget adaptation of a beloved TV series Was released the same year as the film

That garnered its star their second Oscar nomination Hong Kong. Stephen. Is it lost in space? It is not. Andrew. Mission Impossible. Correct.

Oh, very good. You just said Hong Kong? Yeah, I kind of, we're doing this. You missed the little buttons. We're doing this early. I didn't finish my coffee yet. And I'm like, I forgot that we raised our hair. You still did kind of raise.

It's folks in home, if you saw this, it was the most awkward thing. Steve just sort of like, like an old man raised his hand and just went, Hong Kong. It was really something to say. Well, because you can't do what most people at his age would be doing when they get up. That's what an old guy does at the deli, like. Hong Kong. There's supposed to be a chicken salad down here, sweetheart. Hong Kong, I still got a lot of tickets back there.

Just give me the scratches. Pistrami with mustard. A pack of wrette. Sorry, we'll not say Hong Kong anymore. That was wrong anyway. You want to say beep-beep. You can do that. Number two.

Number one, this historical epic, like so many projects in the 90s, was supposed to be directed by Terry Gilliam before its star took on directing duties. Ooh. It's star. Andrew? Braveheart? Correct. Oh, wow.

Terry Gilliam's Braveheart, by the way. It was supposed to be for a while there. And then a giant foot steps on William Wallace. You know, I was thinking. that land of La Mancha shit and that would not have been correct. I mean I guess it would be like an old British guy or a young British guy

it would be a Jonathan Price reading a book about Braveheart and like you'd go back and forth there would be a lot of more laughs about like the Lord's being able to fuck your wife. There wouldn't be so much like oh that's bad. It's like the big moment of like and they'll never take

our freedom and that a bunch of papers just blow Mel Gibson away. The scene where they all show their asses would have gone on for 30 minutes. That would have been like most of it. His editor is also the king of England and, you know. But my friend's dad still would have been able to say, there's her boobers very awkwardly while we watched it on VHS.

Okay, number three. How many are we doing today? There is going to be technically five. This erotic thriller set in San Francisco features the first speaking role in a movie by Supermodel Angie Everhart. Stephen. Color of night? Nope.

Fuck. Oh, erotic. Let's go. Andrew. Exotica? Nope. Oh, shit. Let's go down the next clue.

Okay. The film's writer Joe Estherhouse nearly removed his name from this movie due to changes made to the script by its notoriously hard-ass director. Let's bump it down another clue. All right. The star of this film has been in many. movies but is best known for leading two hugely popular TV shows one in the 90s the other in the aughts how am i not getting this at all um i don't know i don't need the tv show i mean jo esther house that's something that should spark some bells in my god i thought that would do it too but

it's not doing it okay uh considering its title it makes complete sense that a few scenes of this movie were featured in guy madden's recent experimental film the green fall Oh, brother. Oh, Lord in heaven, I have no idea. And last one. William Freethkin directed this movie and for some time, serious or not, considered it his favorite film of his own.

Oh, no. It's clearly not that. It's not cruising, right? It is not cruising. I will let you know. It's Jade. Jade. Damn it.

You know what? That's what I was thinking of Jane when I said exotic. I can picture the fucking poster right now. Is that David Caruso? Yes. Yep. That, I will memory hole that movie completely. I don't want to see that guy especially near an erotic situation. You will be doing it when we do it on this show

at some point. You will absolutely. No, I will watch it and then I will memory hole it and I'll come in here and I'll come in here and have nothing to say. What? A guess. Yeah, sure. Damn. Okay. Who directed Jane? Oh, yeah. Were you freaking. Yeah, it was like it was the green and her back was to the camera and the arms. I did not know that that was a

Pretty good to join, actually. Oh, yeah, baby. Me neither, yeah. Oh, yeah. He defended that movie to the end, which is weird. I saw some, like, when he died, there was a couple of rumblings of like, you know, you know, we should go back to Jade, everybody. I was like, I don't know, pervert, should we?

If we ever get a director's cut, sure, I'll take a second look. But otherwise, I have no interest. Okay, last of the normal ones. The normos. Okay. Okay, number one, the titular source material for this 1938 set action adventure film originally ran in an Australian newspaper and still runs

to this day. I'll buzzer The Quest? No. Damn, not the JC movie? The Quest? Source material of a 1938 set action movie. Action Adventure. Action Adventure, Australian.

Hmm. I don't know. I'm going to hold off to next level. I too shall hold off, yeah. Okay. The star of this film has appeared in many TV movies as well as Twin Peaks. In fact, he had appeared in a kind of TV movie

the year before this. Oh, mercy me. These questions are getting hard, Chris Cabin. TV guy. Australian. You said a comic strip? The source material.

Yeah, I ran in a newspaper. I see. Australian. I got nothing. Yeah, I got nothing to. Okay. Allegiances aside, the hero is pursued by two women in the film, Christy Swanson and Catherine Zeta Jones. Oh, it is, oh, no, it's not this at all.

I shouldn't have said it. It's not the mask of Zorro, is it? It is not. That's what I thought I would say when you crashed and burned, but I would have crashed and burned also. Oh, man. Christy Swanson was the first woman? That's the problem with that.

Yeah. Not bad. That's Catherine Zaylonson. In Zorro, by the way. The thigh is revealed, yeah. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Christie. Fucking swans. I don't know. The tagline of the film is slam evil. Slam evil. Slam ass.

I think I probably have it. Oh, good. Slam evil. 1938 adventure. I'm not even in this anymore, but I'm talking. It looks more entertaining than me going, oh. Because I've actually never seen it, but I think I know what I would guess. An Australian. Ah, Jesus Christ.

So, yeah. For one point, the star of this film is one Billy Zane. Yep. Oh, I think I know what it is. Oh, fuck. Oh, no. There he is. His big, dumb fucking costumes.

He rides a fucking horse. He's got a ring. He's got guns. The phantom? Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, who is the only one who has made. any points in this round. So

far. The singly do point there. Oh my God. I didn't know that was Australian. That's interesting. I had no idea. I don't think anything about the actual. Oh, it wasn't like it wasn't a movie they made down under. According to Wikipedia, it's still running. They're still making this fucking thing. Wow. Well, good for the

family of whoever created the phantom. So now I have found this a couple times doing this. I don't know how much Steve felt. More trivia about the bad boys soundtrack? I do have some of that. you want it um no uh when you find a movie that not only have you you not seen but you are certain none of the other guys so yeah so rather than you know just ignore it or put what i'm going to do here

is i'm going to give you guys seven titles okay and you guys have to pick which one is this is the real one is the real movie and you can ask me as much as you want about the movie other than the title eric before you try to get in there uh-uh no no no uh uh but But you can ask me as much as you like about the actual, from what I've seen of the trailer, at least. Okay. Okay. So here are the seven titles. Is everybody ready? Okay. The Perfect Poor. Reservations. Black Sheets.

London to Lavinham. Solitaire for two. Second Opinion. And the life of Eddie. Okay. And what is the movie about? Can you give a loose plot? It's about, you know, two crazy kids and they fall in love and they start, like, going out a lot. And then there's a problem, of course. You know, their friends are trying to keep them together. Let's go do the titles one more time. Okay. Because there's one that I think it might be, but I'm scared to guess.

The perfect poor, black sheets, London to Lavinham, reservations, solitaire for two, second opinion, the life. of Eddie. I'm going to buzz in and guess Solitaire for two. You got it. Yeah. Wow. Jesus. What made you guess that? It just. Besides cheating in advance. No, honestly, it just because it just sounds like a bad

indie movie being a Solitaire for two. That's why I was going to guess Life of Eddie. That was what I could have sworn I heard that somewhere as like a title before. Lavingham sounded too much like, I don't know if we would put that in a title and that's like Chris like It sounds so weird.

It's got to be the title. I just didn't want to try to pronounce it. So I wouldn't buzz in that one. So that we got 11 points. Andrew's up at 19. There we go. But Stephen has now overtaken Eric. There you go.

28 to 24. This is great because now next time when I complain, it'll be justified. Yeah, yeah, sure. It'll be fucking justify. Do it as much as you like next time. Yeah, it'll be justified. You can go crazy. You know how I just sat here quietly and played the game.

You're a gentleman. Why don't you fucking learn by example over here, dude? How about that? I'm a force of nature. and mix things up. It's such a dynamo, dude. For example, Martin Vale here. Yes, Martin Vale, Richard Gear.

I got to say Richard Gear in full-on gear. Gear doing the thing that I feel only gear does this well. Playing a scumbag that's this charming. Ooh, dude, I had the fucking vapors a little bit of this movie. That's what he's truly great. I mean, he's getting, as he's gotten older, he's branched out. I think he's fantastic in O Canada. Agreed.

But at the time, this is like the pinnacle of doing that shit. Like American Jigiloh is the start of it. Yeah. This is where he hits like you, this movie would absolutely not work at all without him doing this part in this kind of tone. And like I love how it opens with him just being like interviewed by like the shitty city magazine. Yes.

Yes. At the alibi bar, which I just want to live in this thing. It looks pretty nice. This again, adding to the discussion of like the the vibe of this movie and the fugitiveness of it all. the bar is right there the bar is such a part of it just like they don't make bars like this anymore like bars look like douchebags

compared to this bar. I'll tell you why because this movie set in a very specific time in America it's I can't smoke in here like that's like literally the Laura Linney but it's a bar and it's like that's the new rule Laura Linney and that is going to change bars forever and the alibi will never exist ever again

it's what splits people down the middle it's also a profession bar bar. You know, like you can you still hear about cop bars or firefighter bars. Yes. But where are the lawyer bars? Where's the podcaster bar? Oh, earbuds? Yeah.

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Get out So we get much, again, much like the Fugitive here, we get these opening shots of Chicago, these fucking great vibes here. Yeah, this is where I noticed the hotel. I was like, I'm pretty sure it's the same hotel. Intercut a little

bit with this chorus singing at the fundraiser. We see Edward Norton in his hilarious choral choir boy outfit. There's like 40 little kids and this Edward Norton. He's like a 40 year old 10 year old. If I was on the guy, I was Who's that guy over there?

What's what that guy? Is he like the choir director? Why is he singing with the kids? Is it like a stylistic choice for him to be stuttering when he's stuttering? Is that a normal? So do you think for our benefit now I didn't, this is a novel is based on, right? So I didn't read that. But in the novel, maybe it is like little 10-year-olds.

You're helping each other out on the video tape. I'm curious about that actually. Right. If the archbishop in the book is actually a child molester and not just an amateur pornographer. But I guess because this character of Aaron Stampland, Stamplis. No, I was just stuttering to do his name. Oh, okay, a nice cover. I guess because he wants power over him

because he's a wayward teen, one of these like a Kentucky runaway, which I guess regular molestation altar boy, Steve, correct me if I'm wrong, is just a kid from the community. Oh, yeah, just any old kid you can find. Yeah, oh, just right down the street. But this one is like a, like this one's

no strings attached. I can do anything to this one. I mean, he found him on the side of the street. I mean, he picked him up while he was, at least what the story is that we hear, is that like he found him on the side of the street and he was a poor boy. And like, I mean, like a Will and Hannibal.

You take a dog off the street. They'll do anything. They'll go right into the cage. They'll eat whatever the fuck you get. They'll take whatever shower you ask them to. It's also so when this archbishop inevitably wants to murder this kid, no one's going to be looking for. Yeah, exactly.

You kill a kid from the neighborhood. The cops are going to be sniffing around all over the place. You just kill a runaway. It's like, well, I guess he ran away again. The worst thing about kids or the parents, you know right? That's a Catholic joke. I mean, they might put those things. They put that literally over teachers'

rooms now. It's like the worst fucking thing is kids. But yes, anyway. It's a great, it's a big old event for this Archbishop Rushman that Richard Gere is going to. Some like, it says like Catholic something foundation. Something for the kids. Yeah, and you're meeting everybody here.

You meet the, I love a fucking overly qualified cast. You know what I mean? Like a castor, it's like, really? you're going to, Andre Brawis in like three scenes, abs so fucking lootly. You know what I need? You only got this like 95 to 2003, I think was the run of where we really got a lot of this.

Terrio Quinn is just fucking around. For no reason. This is the formula, right? This is the three things that you need to make a movie like this. You need great on location filming. I said this on Letterbox in a city that's not fucking Atlanta. No shade of the ATL, but I'm tired of looking at you.

Let's get back. Let's raise them fucking tax rebates on their cities. It has to be Atlanta. if you were doing so and I have to be like it has to really be like baby driver is an Atlanta movie. Exactly. Sure. But like you know it's bad when the bad boys have to leave Miami, right? So that's what I'm saying.

So like you need that. You also need what this movie has, the one huge star. It's just the one. The one huge star and then everybody else has qualified like theater, television, character, and non-actors. And you populate that all because like Laura Linney is great. She wasn't like Laura Linney at this time. Andrea Brower had already been on Homicide. Homicide.

homicide and all that. So, like, great TV actor, like, found those roots there. Ed Norton, this is his first fucking movie ever. That's crazy. And this is a $30 million budget at the time. I mean, that's a lot of dough to move around and really populate this movie. I mean, and it's all faces. I mean, even the people you don't know their name, you know all that. Archbishop Rushman is the president from fucking Armagedadette. Yes. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's been around for fucking ever. Oh, and, of course, we're forgetting the other part of his little cadre of investigators, Mora Tierney, of course.

She's like... Which is great. Iron Claw, fantastic. And we're Frasier's dad, which I know... John Mahoney. Thank you. The best. Yep.

And that's, it's the same thing. Frazier had been on the air for like two years. The dude is a proven television and theater actor. You put him in this movie. It is believable as shit. This dude, Shaughnessy. Oh, yeah. This rotten bastard.

And should have been cut for time, Stephen Bauer. And I love Stephen Bauer. This whole land deal subplot. It's a bit squishy. I can see it in a novel. The way it works. the way it works and way it comes out I kind of like is like Richard

Gears like losing the case I'll put the system on trial that's sort of what it becomes right right right and I do like it as a hit how it ends up I think at first I agree with you Steve but like the way it ends with him like at the end like building it the I'm gonna fuck Mahoney and I'm gonna fuck I do

like that I like how they end that up and I love Stephen Bauer anyway I also love that he's credited a lot like the credits coming in and just Stephen Bauer and Andre Brower and I'm like that's a TV show yes I would watch it and what's his face too another great character actor playing the alderman

in the one scene Tony Plano Tony Plano also in this movie yeah so just like and that's the thing that's how you make the money work right you just you're paying one son of a bitch way more because he's the star

and then like you pepper that out you can afford to go outside with cameras then because you're not paying seven stars the same huge amount of money Tony Plano from Detainter what's the movie I don't know the Pierce Brosden live wire yeah I was also

I think he's the main Cuban in JFK who's helping we were just talking about him in something else recently too but yeah he's a dude who gets around and he's fucking great yeah and of course Alfred Woodard oh yeah as the judge blew up the damn ship the drunkest

the drunkest judge in cinema dude she is just like any chances like you want some dude just because your offering doesn't make it a social event when she walks into the courtroom with that is it sliding that in there as I was speaking

in case no one. A glimpse that Eric Ciske Law student. That lets you drink at 11 o'clock. I brought beer for everybody, actually. Yeah, well, you didn't offer any, but I might leave the room right now and go get one. No, the part, I love it. It's such an amazing moment. She walks, you've seen her drinking like once in Chambers before. And it's like

the second time maybe she comes into the courtroom. She's got like a tall, like a Collins glass and it's made to look like it's iced tea and you're just like, that's fucking huge amounts of whiskey in that glass. Amazing. But they're all, and it's kind of interesting. They're all kind of at this event.

You see Albury Woodard for a second. You see, you know, and Richard Gear like kind of goes, DeShaughnessy, John Mahoney's character, like, glad hands a little bit. We're like ready to, he's like, I got an amount for you. Like, let's make an appointment for my office tomorrow, Fray. For the Bauer case. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And like, he goes up to Laurel and he just kissing on her neck. Oh, dude, this is the smooth scumbang stuff I'm talking about right here. They are former lovers who have since broken up, and he's just doing this, like, All you got to do is turn around and then we can be making out. What was the line? It was like a one-night stand that lasted six days? Six months. Six months.

Oh, much is even better. This is where she freaks out about the smoking and she's like, it's a bar. And I'm like, no, you're in like the ballroom of a fancy hotel. It's not a bar at all. There's altar boys everywhere. There was a child's choir just singing. But the smell is in there. It's caked into the fucking room.

Are you kidding me? I would be smelling it everywhere. I love Laura Linney She is at her best And like the most likable, unlikable Kind of like coin flip character I think this is the most I've liked her in a movie

Quite possibly Yeah I think about it I mean it's certainly not Congo I think it's Congo What's the one there Was she the sister and Jesus' son Or what was her big

You can count on me You can count on me That's what I was thinking She's fantastic in that movie Love actually not so much No Oh no no no no no Oh, God.

I mean, she's really good. I like her at Mr. Griver, even though. She's good in Mr. Griver. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's a good one. I don't watch the series closely. My wife has Ozark.

She's phenomenal. Oh, that's where she went. That was her big thing. They gave her a lot to do on that show. So many people like that show. And I just had to stick up my ass about it because I was like, it's another. It's another breaking bad thing.

It's a, it's a less funny. It's like a more serious breaking bad. Which is actually the worst thing you can do. Yeah, that's honestly. Yeah. Oh, that's weird. But so you. He's flirting with her, but she's like, no dice.

We find out that he used to be in the DA's office, and now he's a defense attorney, a slimy defense attorney. I love the scene sort of just ends with the archbishop getting up to make a speech, and it starts with like a bad joke. And it's like, I haven't seen this many lawyers, politicians, this, that, and the other thing in the same room,

since this morning at confession. And it's an amazing, nobody fucking says anything for like a few seconds too long and then it's like ah ha ha and like the room kind of catch it and you could this dude playing him too he like waits he's just late he does and it's this approving like that's right you'll all laugh at me my minions well i haven't seen this many altar boys since your porno tapes that's on call for

you hear me there it's got a uh it's a marital aid for a man that's not married show it's uh so we go to the next morning and it's uh we're in terrio quin's office So I guess, am I understanding this right? Terry O'Quinn is the DA? Yes. And then, like, he, what do he call it? Yancey, I believe.

Yeah, and John Mahoney's above him, like the state attorney, I guess. That's right. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever that is. Yeah, so they're talking about this Pinero case that Richard Gere's been working on. It's like, okay, we'll settle a million five and fucking Sean to see John Mahoney's like, he's got to leave town. He's got to leave town.

Outside the city line. That's not really enforceable. He's like, but he'll know what. basically like we're the mafia and we will kill him. Yes, it is right here in the Chicago. It's right here it says exile. We can do it. What are you talking about?

And then yeah, it is like set up in here they're like, because Mahoney and Terry O'Quinn are like, they're still disgusted that he's gone over to the dark side and become a defense attorney. This is worse than the fucking thugs bail. What do you mean

by thugs? Can we talk about that word? Worse than the thugs you defend. Come over here. We all know. We all know what he meant. He's a racist cop. This is a racist lawyer cop. This thing where like, apparently like Stephen Barrow's character was beaten up like just by cops kind of extracurricularly. Yeah. That's the idea. You know what I mean. That's why he's got to settle down. Come on. Aren't you used to it by now? Come on. Meanwhile, we're intercutting with the Archbishop getting, uh, getting ready for what another day. Just a big day of being a big powerful asshole.

That's what this is. He's about to put on everything in its right place. by radio head for a second. I'm about to have his morning fucking jerk satch it looks like. He's got that robe open a little bit. Uh, and then, no, he blasted to the shower. I mean, that's the best way for a man of the cloth, right? Because you don't want... Sure. You don't want it on your

cloth, right? I mean, you've got all these robes, these fine robes. You don't want to stain with semen. And it's also like, you know, in spy movies when they're like, oh, no, I think this house is bugged. They put the shower on and like that's kind of like how you... You're getting away from God by putting the shower on.

That's right, God can't hear you. They only tell the high ups, like the archbishops. It's like Scientology. You pay enough into the system. They'll let you know the secrets. God can't actually hear you when you're in the shower. Hey, doorman. Got any snacks?

Some drinks and beverages. Cold beverages. Snacks. But he gets, it starts with the fingers, which are so, it's a real, is it cake scenario with this hand. It's just like, these fingers come right. off like a Tom Betty video. Well, because I feel like it's a thing where you're making this movie

and you're like prepping for it or whatever and it's like, oh, yeah, it's this like legal thriller and this and the other thing. And then you get to that part of the script and it's like, oh, fuck. Well, we can't hire Tom Savini, but this is a Tom Savini level emergency here. It is so good just to go from all this lawyer talk and stuff and great shots of Chicago and then suddenly seeing this codger's hand and he chopped up. It's such a great moment. He must to sharpen, Roy must have to sharpen this fucking edge for hours.

Dude, he got one of those, like, Japanese wet stones and was just like really precisely making sure this was sharp as it could be. And he hasn't used it. This was the first. You're taking it out on for the first time here. This is the inaugural just to give shop real. This is an older man. I think bones get

hollow and brittle and smaller. I think they get small, right? That's why old men shrink. Because all the bones get like little tiny bones. His fist is just like one big ball of osteoporosis. That's why old people have those jiggly hands that come after

with. It's got jiggery hands. It's like you turn to jello at a certain age. You're just doing an emperor Palpatine impressionately. This should be a video for the Hong Kong and my hand jiggling. Yes. You're missing such great stuff today that you guys.

So this mailman hears this brutal slaying, which is what, it's crazy because it's like, you hear this, you're being murdered. And then like, whatever happens in the struggle, that fucking window just blasts out. This guy, this guy with fucking walk in his dark

where's that? The fuck with that! Sounded like a death rattle up there. Elbow came out of a window. But the, the, the, the,

the, the, the band plays it's so great. It's like he's in a war zone. He, like, drops it down, like, crawls into his, like,

he's taking fire. I think he's a desert storm veteran, dude. Uh, so that's going on. Richard Gear goes to see this, uh, Pinero fella.

Yeah. Great like Richard Gear gear driving his asshole BMW or Mercedes or whatever it is into like a terrible. terrible neighborhood outside this bar where the you know the gang is hiding out or whatever and it's that it is that mob lawyer thing of like there's all these like tough dudes outside the second they see him it's like oh hey oh richard gear come on in buddy you know he's like commenting on the music that's my oh this song is so beautiful that you're listening to you right now penera this is just amazing

stop blowing hot air on my ask please well they believe it they give them the CD right oh that's track number four yeah that song you liked yeah it's this one right here Just like, oh, and he leaves Just like drops it in the trash Although he does, he listens to it throughout the thing And I'm just like, why? The move is you hold on to that for a secret Santa And then you're like, oh shit, I never even opened it.

Smart. When you give it away, then you're like, By the way, this was gifted to me by the mafia. Oh, yeah. There's probably some blood on it. But it's an interesting thing, right? The reason he listens to what this movie I think is doing with the Pinero versus the Catholic Church

and the cops or whatever, and it's like, this dude, who the whole thing by the way is he tells him the deal and he's like oh they're clearly trying to run me out of town to develop this land that's my neighborhood that I've been protecting like this is the guy this is the function of the well-oiled machine

that is the mafia right like he's protecting the neighborhood he's trying to do good by the citizens he's created a community center a clothing drive all this shit that he says or whatever and then with the CD Richard Gear listening to it is like him sort of being like well this guy I appreciate this dude's input

as to things that I may like versus like the cops and the church people or whatever he sees those dudes more as better people right yeah they're more honest that's the whole point is like stephen bower does all the good things and is a criminal fucking the archbishop is the archbishop

and he's fucking uh i'm sorry teen molesting i guess it's right uh like i mean that's that's the playoff they're doing with each other it is everything is 18 and up in this movie which is 18 plus weird it's very weird i mean we don't know we don't know in the tape filmed right we don't know

maybe helping but I will say well who would you rather send your kid overnight with a fucking mob boss or a priest I know where I'd said my kid every time boss absolutely I'd just throw them in the river why that's where they're going to wind up either way

no it's better this way it's better this way you just get a burlap sack and rock one day little wolf gang you could turn into the penguin And you do you know that could happen? Yeah, he could either be the penguin or dreams.

I know. I will say as an old altar boy myself, definitely, I didn't know it at the time, but I skated past some pretty nefarious characters. Really? Yeah, oh yeah. Dodging bullets left and right. So you didn't. I was not molested.

No. It would be weird for you to admit it here. Yes. It's such a jovial. I think it would be strange. No repress memory at all, right? Wait. no just checking

for anyone listening for the first time we're a comedy show where you take it to be good bad or otherwise poking apart and then someone admits being molested as a kid but it turns out it was everyone Steve knew we're getting diddle no no one I knew but it was ran through I remember when I watched the spotlight and like you know you're watching

spotlight it's like you learn the script of the whole thing of like you know then they they move them to another another county and I was like whatever happened to that fucking crooked father Anthony I bet he was up to something sure was and he had like four different allegations oh yeah he was gone in the middle of the night dude just like oh really this guy was the big

his deal was he'd like to grab your hand and squeeze it really hard did you squeeze your hand he did oh yeah I bet he was thinking about that later he sure was he was like I was like a real like crush your hand because I'm a big strong guy yeah yeah yeah it's kind of a fun game that he right oh my god imagine what he else he grabbed hard I don't know our guy was he was an old Italian face slap You know, just like, one of these, like, the pets on the cheek, like, oh, I'm good to see you.

And he was not that we had a dude removed at our parish that just vanished. But it wasn't the face slapper. It was the dude who did, like, the later in the morning services. So it wasn't even the guy that did the family services. It was just the other guy. And it was like, oh, other guy's gone. Okay. That's crazy.

So every priest almost. Every other priest. What really pissed me off when was really, like, by grudging at the chance, to this day, was that was not this guy's first stop. We were like stop three. You know what I mean? So you're just literally throwing wolves

amongst. But he's trying not to. Yeah, exactly. That's why he needs to grab the hand a little long. He learned his lesson twice. Exactly. Okay. He could be reformed. He's trying.

Now keep talking, though, because Eric's got to fin it. Help her. Yes, I do. We go back to the scene of the crime with the Archbishop's Quarters. This is where we see. detective Dan the high talker from Signfield, which is awesome

this dude and he's, he doesn't sound like that obviously, but he's just like investigating the seat. No, it's Harold! It'd be great if he did talk like that. My God, the Irish bishop's fingers are everywhere. No, I'm not. But this

newscaster just goes, the police are going to have their hands full with this one. You know what, man? Why don't you wait for some more details? And Richard Gere's at Alibis getting interviewed by the guy. This guy is an actor who... He's been in a bunch. He was in Runaway Bride, actually, ironically.

Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's buddies with gear. But he's also on Friends. He plays the director of what of Joey's plays. Sure, yeah, okay. Yeah, he was on a few episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so he's interviewing this guy and, like, Richard Gere's watching the TV as the interview is going on.

And it's like, it's kind of a Batman move here. It is 100% percent. This dude sees a, they have like news copters following Edward Norton running through train tracks. And it's like this dude is seeing the bat signal. He's like, call my office to reschedule. I have to go. And he just like runs out of the bar. It is really awesome.

And he is also, is this the seat? No, I think it's maybe later in the movie. We're at Alibis. He's got his own personal bottle. Personal bottles. That's what things are low. Yeah. I never got there.

I kind of wanted to. No. I've thought about, there's one restaurant we go to a few times a year that's a nice. place where you can like they have space where you can keep a bottle yeah and i've thought about doing it but i can only imagine that renting that space costs more money that i'm willing to that's what would be i would kind of laugh because like i imagine there's got to be at least one guy who like who goes all the time is like uh would you please uh keep this uh bottle of evan williams yeah exactly what is the level of like liquor sophistication first of all

because yeah you can't put a bottle of jack daniels in one of those things sir this is a half handle of Evan Williams. I'm not gonna. Is this? This is $7 retake. I don't want to take it on the bus. Did you is this? Did you put water? To get it up to the, really?

But yeah, so we're seeing Edward Norton sort of, you know, running here and cops giving chase. He gets caught like sort of ferally laying down in the dirt all out of breath covered in blood. Yeah. Oh yeah. I should say definitely covered in this.

Soaked in blood, which is great. Two people who turned down, turned down this role. Leo DiCaprio. Okay. Because he said that he's kind of burned down from doing Gilbert Grape and like, blah, blah, blah. I could see him being good in this role. And Will Wheaton, of all people. Will Wheaton said, because he wanted to go to, like, acting school, which is a good idea.

I guess it didn't stick. What the fuck happened to that guy? He blames turning this down for why his career didn't, like, really take... You would not... If Will Wheaton's in this movie, he's not getting nominated for an Oscar. No. Come on. And, you know, it wouldn't be that legal thriller classic it is today.

No, it would be... You know? I wouldn't have my fucking... My perfectly good Pete Seger performance. No, but that's... I mean, that's the thing. It's so important that the guy playing Aaron in this movie is a nobody. Yeah.

Then it's just... It's all on performance. It's not like Leo. No expectation. Yeah, exactly. You would come in with some sort of set of, well, this is going to happen or whatever. Right, yeah. And so this is, you don't know this guy.

He's a fresh face, too. Also, you do primal fear. Guess what you're saying no to. You're saying no to Titanic. Yes. And you are not doing that. Yeah. That would be a real stupid thing to do.

That's an interesting alternate universe somewhere where Leo says, yes, the primal fear and Titanic is with someone else. And then, Titanic stars will weep? And then somehow, wait, what's this I'm seeing in that weird alternate universe? Don's Plum, too? Wait, wait. You know, in Titanic with Willeyton, everyone's cheering when he dies at the end. He's sinking underwater. Hollywood has possibly never seen a bomb like Titanic.

It is just, taking on water isn't the half of it. And yes, here it is, even though, I don't know why they keep putting him in these movies because they keep being terrible. The Departed with Will Wheaton. Jesus Christ. What? Why would you do this? American History X with Will Wheat? Ooh, that's tough.

That's a tough one. I'm not buying that one. No, I could see a chest tattoo of the Federation logo maybe, but that's it. The painted veil with Will Wheaton, and that makes sense. There we go. There's one that makes it. You just put him right there. If you ever are having trouble sleeping one night, just put on the painted veil and let it lull you to sleep.

Well, because this is, I mean, the painted veil is a perfect thing to talk about. Because, like, Ed Norton's career is, at least in the intro is insane. it's this it's Larry Flint's the same year somehow is it yes

oh so that well 96 was big then because he's also in that terrible Woody Allen musical movie everybody says I love you and then 97

I want to say is 98 is American History X so that's right after that 99 is Fight Club like this is when I'm like yeah this is like Steve Sadex

favorite actor of all time is now Edward Norton because he's in all these cool Somewhere in there you conveniently skipped But Rounders has already happened Yeah, Rounders, I believe is also 98

Which is kind of crazy Huge. Huge. Huge. I'll give you Rounder. And then he got a little cocky, right? Maybe people didn't want to work with him. I heard stories. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You've heard I mean, you hear him a lot And like I ignore about half of them Until things start lining up. Like with Ed Norton

He started lining up, you're like, oh, he's not in so many Of the big ones. He's not In the, you know what, who that happened to big time, Aaron Eckhart. Yeah. Oh, sure. Really? Are you serious? In the world.

Wow. Like, dark night or something? Uh, right, like, right after that, but during that, too, apparently he was not great during the, it's, it's, it's fight club, then keeping the faith, that's when we're starting to, terrible. The wheels are coming off a little bit. But that wasn't that kind of a big movie, though? It was, keeping the face was a kind of big.

I think it was sort of good. It did, okay. Then the, the, the, the score, which, uh, another movie where he's, uh, pretending to be a certain way you probably use that as the torch handoff I think the media was saying he's our new brando

they loved and they loved framing shit like that too remember when the fucking recruit came out Colin Farrell is the new Al Pacino and then Colin Farrell went away for like seven years because he was an alcoholic if he didn't fucking go home

four movies in 2002 death to smoochy yikes terrible Frida pretty good good movie Red Dragon whatever a completely fine three star movie and a great movie I think probably his last great like

of this run is 25th hour oh yes excellent movie and then we're doing like after the sunset kingdom of heaven down of the valley still a TV show I think it's all illusionist painted veil it's bad until he starts working with Wes Anderson

exactly then then he's just dumps town he's always I like him on all the Wes Anderson movies he is kind of good in that kingdom of heaven although you can only watch the director's got a mask on in that? He's the guy who is leprosy. I like a mask. I forgot about that. I like a mask.

We're doing this before the I mean the Oscars over a couple weeks but I like a complete unknown. I really like him in a complete unknown. I think that like him getting cucked by Bob Dylan for exactly two hours. Yeah. Not cucked but like sort of big dicked by Bob Dylan. I mean that it's what the movie's

about. And he does it really well. It's actually that performance is very similar to his Aaron Stampler performance. It's almost the same. Like the sounding? Yes. Like the mannerism. Very soft. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's interesting. Was Pete Seeger known for his stutter? No,

without the stutter. Oh, okay. Or is he like Roy? It's like, fuck you, Bob Dylan. Hey, Bob Dylan. This machine killed a kid killed fascists. This land your land. It's a

my land. I mean, this, it is a hell of a performance in this movie, man. I have to say. So Gear goes to see him. This is the first time we meet Aaron in lockup here. You know, do you know who I am? I can't afford a big shot attorney, this kind of thing. And this is Richard Gere swooping right in. Oh, oh, you won't have to pay a dime.

This is all being paid back to me in fame and fortune, my friend. Pro bono, which is what this episode is today, because it's a free one. Patreon.com slash we ate movies for more. but this is what we learn he's from Creekside Kentucky and this is Gear is just straight up like you have to let me do this because a

public defender is going to be a one-way ticket to you getting the death penalty and fucking killed so like were people getting executed in Chicago though like it seems like it was on the table well I guess it was on the table and it seems like it's kind of rare for Shawnessy to suggest

it I feel like that's what we're getting in that scene right the weird thing in anytime I rewatch Law & Order like the OG Jack McCoy he's just like

let's go for the death pedal he's pushing it all the time he's pushing it every episode I'm like New York hasn't executed someone in fucking 90 years dude

but we had it was still legal to do it so you're just going to keep pushing it if you're a dude that loves the death medal team man

and it's still a possibility you're gonna think about that your career you're doing this for so long don't you want to see one of them fry

I want to say that's kind of that's kind of your best that's the McCoy thing that is 100% it. Like, you rest like 100 people. Come on. I just want to watch one line up.

You got to move to fucking Florida, dude, and you'll do it in a week. He's normal. He's a reasonable guy. He's usually pretty, like, McCoy is a guy that you actually want to like. And then all this, every once in one is just like, death penalty. And like, no moral problem with it just goes for it. Law and order, Texas. You know, it's like, we caught this scumbag, jaywalking.

We were looking for the death penalty. Well, he's mentally challenged. Good. Even better. I would do. I think honestly though your best bet is being a fucking liberal city like New York or whatever

get the death penalty now you're just on death row and just chilling out you know what I mean? Yeah great plan it's awesome death row is better than Jet Pop dude I got my own room that's true yeah you should people are writing letters people proposing marriage to me so we're accepting all of them but not

telling the others that you've accepted the others the advice here is if you're being sought for a crime suddenly kill 13 Just go out in a blaze of glory And get that fucking sweet death row with all of its perks Go big or go home as they say So yeah we learn more about you know We touched on it already but like Aaron says that the archbishop

Took him in off the street you know He didn't kick him out of the halfway house When he turned 18 oh you don't say What seven years ago? Seriously and then so the big A bit of information here though is he tells Richard Gear that there was another person in the room and that person who he didn't see too well

because what with the blackouts that he gets he was in the shadows or whatever but there was a third person and that dude definitely did it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that sounds like horseshit. That sounds like horseshit. The method of the kill here, right? It was like 72 stabs.

72 stab, when some of which in the groin. In the groin, he chopped up, he turned his dick into chopped cheese and then he gouged the eyes out. Well, you see that. You see that right. I know, isn't that wonderful? we gotta paint a picture for the people at home and do the whole thing with the book the book code we love book codes and movies

everybody just knows what a book code is you can write so many messages if you know how to do the dewy decimal system I guess and there's no I'm not I'm not gonna do a truck through it thing here it would take so long to write that into oh my lord there is no way

I don't know if that's a sharp enough blade well it's sharper to fucking turn his bones and debata yeah And just, oh, man, it must be fun. Yeah, your penmanship. Like, oh, type of, cross up. Cross it out. I'm doing another B below it.

Look on back. You turn them over. Like, oh, wait, that's better. Turn corpse over. There's an arrow drawn across his stomach. Continue to it on next side. Like, you get like halfway through it and then you're just like pinning a letter to his lapel.

You know what dude? Honestly here. Look, it's this line. It's here. Quotes. Here's the line. And you see Richard Gere's line. after he hears all this clearly

horseshit he's just like what's your suit size and of this poor bastard he's like I don't know we only had we only had potato sacks down in Cricside I can tell you my potato sack size it's extra large family size potatoes

I'm a I'm an extra large and a G string as well Archibish and Bresbyn't a damn Hot pink not green but we meet up with Moria Tierney and Andre Bauer What my favorite lines of this movie is Andre Brower being like, oh, the kids of boys. It's like, yeah, with a merit badge and carving. The way he says, you miss Andre Brower just saying every day.

A merit badge and carve. That's why, like, I was a big fan of that show, Brooklyn Nine, Nine, and, like, Andre Brower's performance on however many seasons that got, is stupendous. And it was a thing where, like, I didn't know, I didn't know how good of an actor. I knew he was a great actor, but I didn't know how good an actor he was until I saw him do comedy this effortlessly, just as the straight man. Ooh, dude, big fucking loss when that guy left us, big time. But he's here as Tommy Goodman. Yes, and this movie's kind of a backdoor pilot for a Tommy Goodman TV show for a while. I would love that.

Honestly, I would love that. Well, because what they're doing here, so you have Richard Geer as the defense attorney. Tommy Goodman is the former cop who does investigative shit. And then Moratierney, who's like the secretary, but also does investigation. it is a it's but it's the exact makeup of the parry mason investigated so it is you're watching this and it's like it's a mid-90s parry mason with these three actors and i was like i would watch the ever-loving shit out of this television show yeah season one of goodman

it's and i mean he's got some fun bits with uh the word allegedly like he doesn't kind of get it and he doesn't know when to use it properly in it like a law sort of setting which is very funny and laur lind he kicks the shit out of him for it Oh, of course. The end with that. Which is really good. When he gets a beat up by the guy, I think is pretty funny. Oh, yeah.

Oh, no, that's pretty good. They use, first of all, again, you know it's the 90s because there's anyone that's supposed to be in their right mind reading a USA Today. Of course. That's what we got our news, man. The press has dubbed him, Edward Norton's character, the butcher boy of St. Mike's, they're calling him. Hell yeah. You only killed one dude and you got a fucking nickname in the press, not too, sure. jabby.

With the 78 stabs and the fingers and the note left in his chest, you're going to get a nickname. And also, I mean, you could fuck it. You could chop up five people on the Upper West Side. You're not getting butcher boy. You fucking killed the Archbishop. Yeah, that's true. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That man needs to have a title, God damn. The status of the murder victim could indeed elevate you to nickname. So we're saying aim high. Yes, exactly. You know, Luigi had that part right. Broward They have He tells him everything

And whatever And there's another great Sort of We're playing around with words here Because he's like Oh and he had the The archbishops ring in his pocket And And Andre Brower's like

So he stole it Yeah And he's like I didn't say that I said it was in his pocket Which is like man And Brower goes That's the worst bullshit story I've heard in my entire life

Because yeah Like on its face Like, yeah, obviously. Covered his blood, I blacked out. I don't know what happened. Yep. There was another guy there. They should have tried it as a lover's quarrel.

Yeah, I see what happens. It was a crime of passion. Yeah, exactly. And that ring gave it to me. He's my boyfriend. What are you talking about? You know, there's shadow men in every murder. You know, that happens all the time.

So Terry O'Quinn and John Mahoney assign Laurelini to the case. This is her first, you know, sort of big thing year. And it's just a quick scene where it's, he's got a loyal. already? Who? And it just cuts. Richard Gear. And they meet at the crime. They both go back to the Archibishop's house right

here. And this is, I mean, she's great giving it to him here. Like, oh, just sell the book rights already. You really just has this dude pegged accurately. And, oh, you want to see these pictures? They're cute. And it's a bunch of, like, murder pictures. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can see that old

fat bishop, stabbed up. It's been a while since you rubbed up against a woman with a brain. There's another good one that she's got there. It's funny because in the original director's cut, when you watch the bishop get murdered, it's difficult for, it's so easy for Edward Norton to get him because he can only move diagonally, you see.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I like that. Yeah, I guess he would be the pawn. Yes, you know, that's right. Now it makes sense, Steve. The chess analogy worked perfectly. Excellent.

They go into this room, dude. This you get a look at everything here. It looks like a scene out of Dexter. I mean, there is just blood everywhere. You just realize, like, that butcher nickname is completely accurate. There's a lot of blood in people. You forget that. Oh, yeah.

We're real fucking gushers, dude. It's insane. Making new vats of it every day, Eric. When I walk down the street, I now see people in quantities of blood. I'm like, look at this gallon guy. Gallum guy. How much gallons you think is this in this guy? Honey, no, just tell me.

How many gallons do you think is this in this guy? I grabbed his belly, like, how much is in here? How much is in your belly? Yeah, I'm just kidding, man. Come on, how many, how much points you got? Look at your jelly belly here, a gallon guy. Honey, do you remember when we met that guy in the street, and I was talking, asked him about his blood? I mean, I love New York City.

I've never, I've never had a little, like, talk like that in my life. I remember that couple very well. They had that little blood bag baby, a little cute blood bag. Those bleed, too. And they all bleed. And, you know, they looked at me weird when I said, when I said, when I, I call them a little blood bag, but, you know, I think, I think they'll remember it. That's fresh blood, you know, the gallon guy, that's like, that's been, it's like, you know, like you're running the air conditioning or you're, you're, you're all internalized.

There's no fresh air coming. Freon levels really low, too. Isn't it fucked up? Shouldn't we be getting new blood at some point? Yeah, you get cycled in something like that. Your body makes blood? Yes, I believe. Oh, wow, that's great.

It's like a cycle every, like, whatever. Yeah, I don't know. Really? So, like, I piss it out or something. Dude, if you're pissing blood, go to the doctor. If you're shitting blood, go to the doctor. Steve said it's cycling out. I'm not going to the doctor.

It's just pissing and shitting blood. I love like you're just finding out about this bacon. You mean my body digest this food? Yeah, hell yeah. Food becomes blood. That doesn't sound right. But I'll take your word for it. So we have our day in court, you know, day one here.

This is Alprey Woodard as Judge Schote. great name here except like it's alfrey wooded in 1996 this if you're calling someone judge shout it's an old lady judge maybe question over here is she the queen or is or lindy the queen if we're gonna follow it yeah yeah who's the rook shawnessy yes oh definitely there are several pawns i got that right because there are a couple of them but um so underbrows the night obviously yeah so what's l-shaped what is gear he was the king he's a king on the other side

could be yeah I don't know Tim and Terry O'Brien oh boy right showdown so he Richard gear right here is trying to get Edward Norton in

for a psyche Val and she's like no no no no no like you already you know that ship has sailed or whatever like it's it is what it is

you're not getting in that insanity defense loss so dumb it's like oh something else comes to like well you didn't say it to start so now it doesn't happen it's not real

Exactly. What a stupid sister. It's quite stupid. Yeah. And we were talking with the stacked cast. We forgot about fucking Francis McDormand. Of course, right. We haven't met her yet, but she is a psychologist at some point here.

Richard Gere pulls a little, like, legal, funny business here, where he's like, oh, because Alphrey Woodard's like, you know, okay, Edward Norton, like, you have to give your plea. And Gere's like, actually, my client is going to plead the fifth on the plea so we can get that psych. and she's like so he's not going to say today whether no no no he's not he totally like fucking pulls the wool over their eyes so fun he's like I got all these uh you know precedent examples here look at it eat shit I love that he should just quote

you know these cases yeah it happened before you got to do it exactly uh so we're like buying some time for that meanwhile Andre Brower goes to the like the flop house hotel that he was uh Edward Norton was staying at

for a while here I love this old bastard just like sitting there. Oh, you're a classic flop house. So good. It's like, where's my cheese whiz, boy? Like, it's kind of the Blues Brothers flop house a little bit. The flop houses exist anymore like this? Not really.

Not really. Not really. Yeah. Yeah. You get paying cash for the week kind of a thing. There was a, there was up by me. There was like sort of a flop house. It was like a rooming house for men.

Oh, yeah. Just burned down recently. Oh. We got to start putting these things back up because guys like that. Yeah. Need jobs. Those crazy. These old timers that are good for nothing.

That's going to be me. 12 years. That the guy could have been a podcast who was born too too early. It was a fucked up things. My dad actually works in this kind of stuff these days. And what he said is a lot of them turned into hostels. Oh, that makes

sense. That's what they are now. Speaking of Luigi, you know? Well, there you go. Yeah, those things I think became hostels. Yes. And thank you for housing, one of our heroes, for crying out loud. I forgot, Eric. Thank you. Absolutely. This old time was watching Mori Povich, which is pretty funny. You didn't think a guy like this

would care about Mori, but that's what's on in the background. Mori. And so we got to go up and check out the room here. There's a great, the old timers like, oh, like, how do you know this guy or whatever? He's like, I'm his cousin or I'm his uncle. That's what he says. It's very funny. This is the big fight between Alex, who's the other altar boy.

Yeah, the third performer in the video we find. I got to say, like, should we get the twist out of the way now? Because I have something that I want to say to it. So the whole thing is like. Edward Norton, of course, is making up all this false identity stutterer guy thing. Like, he is just this fucking maniac who intentionally killed, yeah, he killed him and blah, blah, blah. In the middle of the movie, he says he is a, it's revealed it as a multiple personality, like, oh, that's the twist of the movie. Yes.

But then at the end of the movie, actually, there was no twist. Wait, what? He was actually Roy, the bad guy the whole time. He was the bad guy the whole time. So the thing is, when they get to this hotel room, Andre Brower is, like, looking on the table. there was a copy of William Faulkner's Absalom, Absalom Sure, only an evil person would read that

A guy not like this character You know, like he's not reading that fucking book And I think that's a, it's if you know Faulkner or whatever, like you know That guy's not reading that book And it gets it leads to he Underlines Nathaniel Hawthorne And then they're like, did you underline that book?

I couldn't get there any of it. Yeah, I'd not read it, Daniel Hawthor And it's just like the corn pone whatever doesn't match with the literature but so this good fight here good struggle great fight

hell yeah ripping this earring off oh ripping and you see all this blood and that's where I was starting to think about there's lots in these people man but like

that old ripping an earring out or a nosering out that's always like goo hoo-hoo and it's like a realistic like it's not like a super choreographed

it's like a real like meat potatoes you get grabbed you're fumbling on the ground fight it's a slobber knocker yes we got to bring that back Totally. We've got to start using Slavernocker again.

So the actor just doesn't look at the IBB. The actor from Syke, James Rodei Rodriguez. Sure. The other one, not too late, you know, that guy. Yeah. So for a while, for the longest time he was going, he started his career as James Radei Rodriguez. He read for Aaron and they liked him, but they're like, you're not right for the role. But we do have this Latino role that would be good for you, Alex.

So they gave it, they were going to give him the Alex role. Okay. But then they said he wasn't Latino enough, so he got nothing. and that's why he stopped going by Rodriguez, which is why Hollywood sucks. Oh, that's crazy. You know what I mean? Like, oh, Rodriguez, go on.

You can't be play Aaron Stampler Rodriguez? Right, right, right. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. The guy that they got to play this Alex character is on that Chicago PG. John Sita. Yeah, I mean, he's been in a ton of shit,

but I think, like, modern day, that's his most recognizable thing. Because that's a, it's a Dick Wolf thing, so he's been on all the other shows. If you're in that Chicago universe, you are just sitting pretty. Yep. I mean, because it's a great because you're tied right to fucking

law and order in New York. Like, they visit each other all the time. And I haven't watched these shows, but I doubt there's a lot of those Chicago accents. No, it's probably. Come on, guys. What are we doing? We need that. Very little. Give you a fat guy eating a sausage, like prosecuting someone

illegally. Eric, that's just thing. Like, with those Chicago TV shows, none of them have any of the character of Chicago. Of course they know like the big monuments, but like there's no actual on-street character. That's why all of it is literally like jammed into the bear. They're just like

right. And that's why people love it because it feels more authentic. It's not all these dead-eyed Los Angeles actors going, oh, do you want to go to the Willis Tower later? Well, being at the Willis Tower. Yeah, exactly. I love the Chicago Bulls. Yeah, yeah.

Exactly. Because what's that dude Michael Baggie, Jason Bigg? Oh, Jason Bigg, yeah. The fucking gravelly-voiced guy. I'm the leader of Chicago PD, God damn it. And he doesn't. It should be, I'm the leader of the Chicago PD, God damn it.

And it just does, it's not there. You're just being. I don't have heart disease. I mean, come on. These are cops in Chicago. Sure. I mean, he went through a lot with those Scientology people. He might have actually.

Oh, right. Might have had a heart attack. I forgot he came out the other side of those folks. The purge happens when the bears are playing, okay? I ain't enforcing. I'm not doing anything when the bears are on, so you could go do whatever you want. This is where we also see there's a Polaroid that's been found of a bab, babe, and on the back, it's love, Linda, or whatever. So Gears trying to do some investigating here by talking to

Edward Norton like, hey, who's Linda? Who's your girlfriend? Oh, I don't want to talk about Linda. And he's trying to sow some doubt. He's trying to figure out if there could be, you know, something that you can use here. He's like, is your friend Alex capable of doing what happened to the Archbishop? Is that something I could possibly use here? Because I'm grasping at straws. Come back. How far did you get with it? Come on.

Second base, certain base. Did your finger? Did you? did you finger her crucial for this law I don't remember saying her did you finger objection to your honor

he did not finger but this is so to further the investigation into his psyche this is where we meet Frannie McDee as Dr. Molly something or other same year as Fargo

dude what a fucking what a year for her too what a years we used to have I mean you even reading Norton's filmography these were we used to make movies in this country. Real movies. Hell yeah. Like, you know, fair for adults. Yeah, middle of brow

movies for adults. We do now, but we make them all in like their houses with one big green screen on each side. About like if this was adapted today, this would be a TV show. Like how they remade Presumed Dennis had into a TV show, Fatal Attraction became a TV show. Yep, yep. They'd all be

fine as two-hour movies. Exactly, and maybe I'd watch them. Like I liked that presumed Innocent show. It's got some really good acting in it. It didn't need to be a show. will say it's smarter at least to I like the presumed innocent did it like they're not going to do a second season it's just going to it's just

are they well there was this is what we do now when we have a successful thing that's a one a one shot deal we turn it into a what do they call those um Ryan Murphy shows is an anthology so they were like maybe we do presumed innocent season two and it's a whole you can we're gonna do the Pelican brief next time oh dude I'd watch

they're doing showgun season two and that was just one book and one mini series well but at least like Shogun, I know that there's more stuff to there. There's stuff there. But like, with, like, the stuff with fatal attraction presumed this, I'm like, if it's one season, if it's a mini-series, yes, whatever. I can handle it.

I think it's stupid and I don't like it. I usually don't watch them. But at least I won't be screaming in the fucking street about it. But remember what a narrative miniseries also used to mean to us? Like a two-part thing and maybe both parts were possibly an hour apiece. And that was like a mini-series. I'm

sorry, like a eight-episode thing where each episode is 65 minutes, that's not a mini anything. Well, that's a television show. No, but because movies are reserved for interesting adult questions like, how did Captain Hook get his red hat? Let's figure that out for two hours. You're so right. That is what movies so would be come.

Is Captain Hook depressed? Because that's, you know, I was, I watched all over that movie. Or is he queer and we don't say anything about it, but we just kind of dance around it. That'd be something too. Maybe that'd be cool. What if Captain Hook, bear with me, was a lost boy at one point. Wow. Dude, that was another, I had the TV in both hands and was trying to open the window at the same time.

What movie is this? Was that one called Pan? Oh, Wendy and. Oh, Peter and Wendy. Wendy and Lucy. Yeah, it's just Michelle Watts Her Face walking with the dog. A better movie. Captain Hook was chased by the crocodile.

absolutely uh yeah no it was it jude it's whatever one jude law plays captain wendy and peter because that one was terrible the one where hugh jackman played uh captain pan that that was that's where they're fucking singing nirvana covers in it that's hard stop with this peter panston well not just i mean i was more talking about wicked too because that's wicked is we're now nominated for fucking 40 academy awards and it's for little babies i apologize listen you didn't do your research i've heard people say uh things that would i would say I don't think they have their credentials. It's aggressively not for me, which is fair.

Yeah, no, that's the thing. It's like, I think there's a, you know, I think you have to try whenever we can to qualify, like, not for us versus bad. Because, like, craft-wise and, like, music production-wise, all that shit, it's top-tier. I just think it looks bad and the music does nothing. I also disagree with the craft ones. I don't think it's very well-made at all. Sure, that's fine.

But, like, craft work? Hey, fuck boys. But so now, Francis McDormand is interviewing him while... Got that big camcorder out. I love that big... And her just tapping on it. That would make me fucking snap. Oh, totally.

I'd be like, can you just interview me? And she does explain, like, it's not traditional therapy. Like, everyone's... These tapes will be available for other people to watch. Right. So it's just an FYI. It's not just between you and me. It's between all of us.

We get some more stuff. of Aaron's past here. His mom died when he was little. The dad was abusive. He's been suffering these blackouts since he was 12. And you can see, like, Frannie McDee, playing this psychologist character perfectly. She's like, fucking drooling at the mouth.

She's like, what a case I've stumbled into today, friends. But as she's like kind of asking him one time about Linda, he's getting a little more frustrated, a little more flustered. He's like, can we take a break? And then she does this thing, she's like, you know what I can do with this thing? She's like tapping on the camera. And he goes, how the fuck should I know? And it's like,

Which is like, yes, isn't a different personality, but that's like, I don't know, that's me if I don't have coffee. Yeah, I mean, exactly. Maybe he's just getting annoyed and he dropped his character for a second and now he's going to play this other role to make it all fit. But she believes that that means he is an alternate personality thing. She discovers this like way later in the movie. It's not in their first mention, but it's like eventually she discovers it because he breaks down. It's not here necessarily. Because she keeps on trying to take the axe to the door.

of Linda and it ain't fucking coming down. You'd like learn that this guy does not want to talk about Linda here in any capacity but she's a gentleman he doesn't love and tell you know he might have done that stuff and with the archbishop but he's not and he's not going to tell about it that's why you got to press Alex you got to get him

in the chair and really because he knows guy with an earring will talk about sex 100% Richard Gere and Lorillini meet at alibis once again and this is where they're talking about like the stakes are so high like if She loses this. Like, you know,

Shaughy's going to put it on you. You're going to get fucking fired. Like, you don't know. This is where she's like on her, it's her lunch break or whatever, which this is what I'm talking about. They drink here after hours, but it's also the lunch spot.

Sure. And where you're also drinking during lunch, which is awesome. Drinking through lunch. I love that. She fucking kind of makes fun of Aaron right here too because she accuses the stutter of being fake. She's like, oh yeah.

And his stutter is, pu-p-p-priceless. And you're like, that's a good lunch. I mean, she's right though. She saw through it. It turns out she's right. She should have fucking fried this kid, huh? Fright him when you had the chance

dude. Now it would happen. This, I mean, this is also, but my favorite thing is so Laura Linney is like just fucking hates him and like is giving him the business the whole time and all that. But of course, in scenes like this where she is trying to rip apart, right in the middle of like pleading the fit like that, that was genius.

Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. Can I suck your dick right now? Can I jack it off and suck it right now? Because you're so fucking smart. Something like this happens in that presumed in a show, too. And I like these moments where it's like, lawyers will be like fighting with each other. And then it's like, all right, are we done? Did the bell ring? Okay. Hey, pretty good work out there. You drop that whole facade of outrage.

It's that old Lutey Tunes cartoon with the wolf and the sheepdog. You know what I mean? Like, morning Sam, morning Ralph. And they just kind of like, yeah. And then they go to work and they come back. Yeah. It's always fascinating. I love that stuff too. To be clear, he's not saying one positive word about her not being like oh boy that's you know you're sure doing it too

but I mean it's interesting to tell what I presumed innocent another all because I mean again this was a genre for like almost like the buddy cop genre so like in this one this is the multiple personality one you know what I mean it's like who's presumed innocent you know it's that version of it is the wife actually did do it

yeah so all that kind of stuff it just basically like who is Bert Reynolds going to get paired with this time it's like who what's the wacky part of this of this trial. We started losing our taste for John Grisham. Yes.

That kind of had to, I mean, like, well, it was it 2003 when runaway jury comes out and everybody's like, no, thank you. It's funny you mentioned Brett Reynolds

because the author of the book also wrote Sharky's Machine. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Which is not a very good, Bert. It's an interesting movie, though. Sure. I kind of, I kind of enjoy that.

What is Sharky invented, type machine? They're saying, it's a new kind of car, you know. I forget the particulars about that one, but every Bert Reynolds movie's worth watching. I assume. Use my machine I invented.

Met some Morlocks. Pretty rough crowd. Hey, what the fuck's with that rabbit? What's wrong with the name, Sharky? I think it's a perfectly abnormal name. Sharky Darko? I'll recommend Seamus. Watch Seamus with Bert Reynolds.

That's the one that opens with two people in bed being killed with a flamethrower. Wow. And then it's like, how did this happen? That one's pretty good. My pick is always Hustle, Robert Aldrichs.

Yeah, what did I give that on Letterbox? Let's take a look. So we're doing some more investigating here at the office and we get this is where all the stuff about we're looking into

the Archbishop's financial records and, oh, Moritini, can you see like all the charities that he's given to or whatever and the South River Development Corporation comes up and oh, wouldn't you know it? The Archbishop invested in this, but oh, who else invested in it?

Oh, crooked old Shaughnessy, you say. Oh, boy. So the plot sort of thickens here. And then this is where gear goes back to Joey and we're walking on the property and he's explaining like, look, I'm pretty sure these dudes are just like killing my guys and like whatever to wipe us out of here

so they can develop all this real estate, whatever. And Tony Plana's like, yeah, I got like evidence that this happened. And it's kind of a funny thing where Richard Gere's like, oh hey um so if i asked you i called you in to testify would you do it and uh he's like oh yeah man i get a nice suit i can see going on there he's like uh no i'm talking to uh alderman tony plana would you not the not the convicted criminal who's not supposed to be in the city limits would you alderman testify and he agrees to do so and that never happens so it's it's one of those again

like this is a it is a vestigial finger from the novel that does it works i guess at the shot of CC at the end but it's it's a bit squishy to get us that the 210 runtime was a bit much last night it's surprising that it's that long yeah it's just kind of we spin our wheels a little bit towards the middle I agree but it's also one of these things where it's like you're building you feel for the environment you're like there's there's shit that goes on around a trial that you have other clients that you've dealt with there's there's a lot going and it's because both gear I mean most characters are likable and fun to watch right like yeah feel like real characters that you would want to sit down.

You don't feel like you're wasting your time. You're just kind of wondering, like, what are they going to do with it? Yes, exactly. Right. I mean, I think what they're doing here, and part of what I really love about this movie in general, is that what Richard Geer is doing is the same thing that the director is doing, which is polishing a turd. Yeah.

It's essentially like, can you charm your way out of, like, the shittiest fucking story in the world? It looks like an open and shut case, and my guy's got amnesia. Can you remember? It's the stupidest story that's ever been written in the history of time. But if you get somebody like Richard Gear, you get Edward North, you get a director who knows how to fucking work in Chicago, you can make that look pretty good. You can make that still pretty entertaining in its way, and believable. And like, that's what Richard Geer is doing the thing. It's like, this is a shit case.

Please, someone believe this stuff. You know what's totally believable is John Mahoney being thrilled by all this Chinese food? He goes out to dinner with Richard Gear and they're at some sit-down place and he's just like, like ogling this Chinese with like, oh my, isn't this just marvelous? Look at all this fantastic Chinese food here. Have you ever heard of shrimp? They're phenomenal.

You know, a couple years ago, my wife was like, enough for the sausage, and I was like, what? How is that possible? Chicago, what are you talking about? But then I find out the Chinese will sell you pork too. And there's something called chican. Which is fascinating.

I only have it here in the Orient here, chicane, they call it. The scene starts where he's given this big speech about like, I'm the peacemaker. I'm the one that they call when they got this, that I keep this city right, this whole whatever. And Richard Gere's got this great bit where he's like,

hey, John, you really need to come up with a new thing. Man, I've heard this Shining City speech 10 times at least. And it's like, it kind of stops them dead. He's like, well, fine then.

What do you want? It's just like, well, you don't want to hear the rest of my cool speech. You don't like my speech. You don't like my shrimp. What do you like? He does threaten him here basically.

you fuck with me, he'll fucking kill you. Yeah, I understand your assistant's been rooting through the Archbishop's financial records. And then, yeah, the whole don't fuck with me, you'll bring down the might of, you know, whatever the fuck. But it's got, it ends with the really great Richard Gier thing because part of the

speech was like, you know, back 15 years ago when I took over, you know, the pipes were bursting in the town and blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Meaning like things were in trouble or whatever. And Richard Gere gets up to leave the table and he just whispers over and he's like, the pipes are bursting again, John. Fucking great delivery.

Man, oh my God. So we get the opening statements. Now, like, the trial is on full display here is the idea. I do like what they do here with, like, you see, it's Laura Linney and Richard Gear like both the night before. Yeah. But you already hear what they wind up saying. But it's funny how you see the prep because, like,

she is just like vociferously writing notes and, you know, really concentrating. And Richard Geer is just like sitting in bed watching TV. I got, because it's, I mean, like, Because again, like this was, we were doing law movies. You had to figure out new ways to present this shit. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah, exactly.

You can't just do the same thing. Although, I just watched Red Rooms, which is excellent. I got to get on it. God damn it, I got to get on it. The first 20 minutes is opening statements of a trial. And it's just incredible. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

It's on shutter, everybody. Yeah, that was, it was something I wanted to get to last year. A buddy of mine worked on the distribution for it. And I fucking totally drift on it. It's kind of funny. there's a new horror service because I guess Shudder's getting too hoity-to-y with their French movies called like Splatterhouse or something like that.

Yeah. I don't know. I just watched Crocodile on Shutter. It's a trash. I know. It's just funny to look at your Frenchie movies. Come to Splatterhouse. Oh, Jesus.

Splatterhouse. We're going to bait no subtitles in Splatterhouse. Being a Frenchie movies in court, Anatomy of a Fall did a pretty good job of courtroom. Compelling as fuck. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, so you're hearing about The cops are putting all this pressure on Aaron Because it's political pressure

Like he's basically saying like They just rushed out, they got this kid And they have the political pressure to find the guy who did it Because this was the Archbishop And they're overlooking yada yada yada That's like it's overlooking a mysterious third man That probably doesn't exist Yes, exactly

Dan the high talker we see in this scene Give some testimony about blood splatter or whatever this is I think where we learned the 78 stab wounds thing oh god really wanted this dude absolutely dead you didn't want to go for the full hundred huh I mean because it's right there well he wanted to but all the carving you know your arm is going to be sore

oh you're just going up and down 78 times tell me about it even 80 I'm sorry I just got a thing about flat numbers man I need to have but this is also there's another detective that reveals that they the Nathaniel Hawthorne quote which is something, something. It's about being two-faced.

A wolf and a blow, yeah, two-faced, whatever. And Richard Gere's team didn't find it. So then he really reams them in the hallway, which is really fun. Oh, dude, he's screaming at Andre Brower and Morraternity and you're like, you're fucked up, do your fucking job. It's one of those things where I'm like, I don't want to work for this guy. You're going to fucking talk to me like that. Eat my balls, dude.

Well, guys like that, what drives you insane. And I think it's in this scene, too, is like, guys like that don't even usually aren't really that angry they just think that's how you're supposed to get a reaction this is how I get them to pay attention I'm going to be honest every time you guys write us that

oh you missed this IMDB trivia point right Andrew calls us in here and he reads us the fucking do your fucking jobs right do your fucking jobs I go horse I go horse screaming at these fuckers so just like anytime you write that you're getting us in troubles it's true

and at the end of it he just every I don't know why, but every time at the end, he screams, I don't think he did it. Every time someone calls in and doesn't do a listener request month call right, I flog Steve with the belt. Because it's his fault. He didn't explain the rules properly. Exactly.

He just didn't explain it. And if I miss a line too, I can't quote a movie in exact every fucking scene. Oh, Jesus Christ. We're done for. Pressure is high here. He does, that fucking reporter, man, this guy, this guy, this magazine dude or whatever,

like king of poor timing. Like he has clearly heard Richard Gere's screaming at these people and he's like, he walks up to him in the lobby like, so another thing about the cover story. And he's like, dude, obviously not the time. What are you doing? It's interesting. You don't think your suspect did it, huh?

You don't think your guy did it. He's pissed off because they can't find Alex. Pretty much the next scene is when they discover Alex and like this kind of, this is a long. When they chase him down into the bum underworld. Yeah, the bumder world This is after Just really quickly

Because Steve covered it But this is He has the scene with Molly Yeah, the freak out And yeah He changes his voice Jesus Christ All of a sudden he sounds like my dad

And I was like what Multiple personalities clearly Look at it You fucking around the camcorder Is gonna bring the dead out of anybody And then like he like When it calms down or whatever He like you see him like

Sort of go back into it And he just goes What was you saying? You know But yeah So we're looking in In the bumeder world for this kid and like they kind of see him.

Andre Brower is doing, it's like he's a fucking baseball team manager and he's just doing hand signals to Richard Gear like he's over that way. That's great. Yeah. So they give some chase. Yeah, long foot chase here. It takes a bit. And these guys, they're fancy, schmancy, you know, Richard gear in his suits and whatnot.

He's got Andre Brower dressing the part also. You're not sprinting after these dude in dress shoes. You'd be slipping and sliding all over the sidewalk. I mean, you have blisters the next day for sure. Blisters, if you're lucky, dude, you're lucky you don't fall down and break an ankle. You're going to be Professor Poppin. You're going to be whopping those fucking blisters.

That's why you have to drink a lot at alibis. And this is, they corner Alex, Alex starts telling them about the tape and about Linda. Right. And all this stuff. And this is when, like, it's kind of funny because like every five seconds, the actor's like, I'm going to run away. It's like, no, you're not. It happens like 13 times in this scene.

Yeah, it's a little over rot. You do have a good, one of the times that he tries to get to, away you've got Andre Brower with a fucking gun down this dude's face like uh-uh-uh uh-uh which it's a cool way they frame the shot of Brower with the gun and you can't arrest me well I used to be a cop does that help you?

Does that help you? The Archbishop said when they made these tapes doing these things they had to do it because this was purging the devil I'm the devil baby yes oh I just perj the devil in the shower oh god just purging the devil

he's in there an awful lot I got to perch him all day I go in prayer four or five times a day It's an interesting concept Like if Christians could just have like a room In their house to sin in Oh Isn't that what the bedrooms for dude

I guess Well this is the thing It's just decriminalize or whatever You want to decinify jack it off Sure And you don't have to go to such weird extremes To do it It's just like anybody else

You're just going on porn I'm looking at the regular stuff Sure I mean you'll have more people Join your flock You know people don't want to go And Sunday have such a dour

don't jerk off speech from this guy be fun say yeah take it out what you guys want to start believing in people who didn't live 50,000 years ago are you serious well if they can you know they're running the show well they're not really running the show anymore no no they aren't but they

knew what was up you don't think they knew what was up you don't think they saw the internet are you fucking nuts Moses was tugging it in the desert for sure totally right oh my so why are they even saying not to jerk I don't know. It's always, it's always confounded me the whole Catholic thing about, like, a priest can't be married or a priest can't be a woman or, like, just, and every drop of semen is like a precious baby. I mean, I guess from the ancient times, I understand, like, their position on women, obviously, but like, why wouldn't you want to be fucking? Like, why would you impose that on yourself? Exactly. As a dude priest. Because I guess everyone was, it was all put in place because everyone was like an animal. right yeah yeah you were like walking around you're like fucking every single person you see sheep whatever yeah and they're like dude put a clothes on live in a house just have one thing you fuck

that's a thing i mean that's what they all came to a guy with like no desire is the most like that that's what everybody wants to attain right like yeah i'm control this shit i have i have no problems and then of course everybody has fucking problems yes yes except me uh so richard gear the next day goes back to the Archbishop's residency to look for this tape. Great detail here. Just again, another thing to add on to the pile of he's an asshole. You see, when he pulls up

in his Mercedes, it's right into a no parking fire zone. He literally parks right in front of the sign, which is great. And this is like King's sausage from the future. He's like, ah, you're a butcher boy, eh? And he's like, oh, he says like, oh, thanks. I forgot his real name. Yes. Oh, right. Yeah. Good retorts. But he goes up there.

got to say this Archbishop I hope they're not all sex tapes because this is quite the home media physical collection Alex says that he had one tape that he re-recorded over and over That's what everybody says though dude But I feel like you know a lot of them labeled WrestleMania 97

Yeah so these are like just taped sermons Like rehearsals Yeah right but then you sneak Because no one's gonna want to sit through that shit No exactly I'm saying don't jerk off blah blah blah and then at the end Oh boy you got that secret secret part of the tape

The Seinfeld tapes were Seinfeld tapes. I just love that Kramer so much. The Archbishop was living like Osama bin Laden. Pornos, Seinfelds. Jerking off. I think he was seeing the future. I mean, this is what? One of the most consequential post-credit scenes ever.

Yes. You talk about the Stinger scene. Sting her. Sting her indeed. I know it's not a good sermon. Just wait. You're going to, you're going to, Dr. Strange comes in.

I'm not kidding. So, yeah, so we take the tape back. It's him just doing a bad sermon. We cut to Edward Norton, this lady and Alex. That's right. Take a blouse off.

Go to her, Alex. It seems like there's like a scene going on because she's like writing something down. Like she's like a school girl scenario. It sure is. Like just the, just the littlest bit. Just so you could tell your friends there was a plot.

I don't want to hear the, director during the movie, right? What are you doing? That's it, Aaron. Good. Help her. Imagine if you heard that over all of primal fear. That's good job, Richard Gere. Oh, yeah. No, Richard Gere, do that.

Do that. Do that, yeah. Line, Linda. Lina, line. Francis McDormand, help him. Help him, Francis McDormand. Help him, you know, analyze. Oh, that's good, Laura. That's good. Drink that whiskey, Laura. Yeah, that's a... Oh, Laura smoked that cigarette. Good.

The director of Primal Fear is going to be executed in the middle of New York City. Now take him in your mouth, Aaron. Oh, yes. Like, there is a almost straight up, like she physically goes down on this. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they don't, they don't imply that the two

dudes did anything together. It seems more which is weird, right? It's just a purely Eiffel Tower situation. There's got to be other tapes. Well, that's the thing, too, that they kind of chicken shit later when, like, he's getting in Shaughnessy's like, this guy said that he was sexually abused by Bishop Rushman years,

ago, that's a story that I believe. And that was an interesting scene, right? The kid is there. It's like they never call them to the stand or anything, but it's there to scare the shit out of Shaughnessy. Yes, exactly. It's interesting, but like, yeah, here again, I do think it's a little chicken shit. It's a very

heterosexual, above age, regular, dangular. This guy was a creep, but not a child molester, like all these actual creeps. Right, right. And it's ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, I kind of wanted, I would have preferred him go full

like he goes back and he starts watching all the tapes and like making sure there's nothing on them. He's like, I've seen all the WrestleMania's now. I've seen so much X-Files, but he's like there's got to be more and he's just like looks around and he's like just takes an axe to the wall and like

the bodies from Sicario just tapes just start pouring out. Because I mean you can get a, you could do like you know obviously you don't have to be salacious. You don't have to show anything. You do like the 35, the 8mm. in her think, oh ha, er, ah, er, always watch it. Yeah, there's, there's ways around. I guess they just really wanted to show

something. Yeah, they should. But I got to say, you do get some showtime nudity here. She takes the top of capital knockers, madam. I was pretty surprised about that. But I had to laugh at the start of this because him at the desk giving the sermon, like practice

sermon or whatever, and Richard gears fast forwarding, all I get thinking about was when it's that Simpson's joke where the aunt dies and they go to the will reading. Let me start with a poem. And Homer Fass for it. It's like Homer, everyone in favor of skipping the poem

and everybody raised their hand. Everybody in favor of skipping the boring servant. Yeah. It's not going to the porno. No, but Gary, I mean, I don't understand. You could have just like, she could have a brawn or something. I don't know. Why get the guy's a little horny. I mean, we got a chance here. We want to keep them

excited. It's a sexy seed. Like, it's just like, I don't know. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's weird, right? like why would you you're making this you the filmmakers you're making it for creeps and that rockin set of tits is that like that's no no no no it's a very

it's very weird the men in the audience get bored you have to understand the point if we don't see tits in the scene we're going to check out it was the 90s I mean again now we've gone the other way certainly but like we would to find a way to get someone to take their top off at a movie was a benchmark

that was a job somebody had like here's a script find me a way somebody can take their shirt off. You had an Andre Brower type running around trying to figure out who's going to take their top off. Where's my kit man? Well, Demolition Man's the best one where he gets a wrong phone call. Oh right. Video phone and it's a lady with her shirt off and it's like, that's not in the movie. Like it's just not. You know some dude was like, all right, hang on and saying, what if, what if Sly got a phone call? It was the wrong number and she was topless on a video call and they were like, Gary, you've done it again. That man, whoever he was, had the best job.

in Hollywood from 1990 to 1999. That was Tit Finder. The tit man Every Warner Brothers tit man He's universal tit man. Make that a show. Titfinder MD or something. Oh, so he's working for these productions but he's also a doctor. That's why it's a clinical

Oh sure. So the ladies feel safe. Honestly, he'll check up. He gets a doctor calls him and he's like You know I I have a good amount of people coming in. I would like more. Can you find me tits in my waiting room?

I just like, maybe there's just a lady sitting there with tits out. I don't know. I just want you to start thinking for me, man. Hey, we just got a call from the set of mall rats. It seems like Claire for a lot. He doesn't want to take her shirt off. There's no room for breasts anywhere else. Well, what if, okay, all right, hear me out.

Silent Bob is running around and, oh, God. Joe Lord Adams, she's got her shirt off, right? And then he knocks his head in, and now, now there's tits in that me, right? We can double it. We can be double it. Yeah, no, no, the fortune teller. How about the fortune teller? Oh, she's got a third nipple.

How do you like that? And it's funny. It's a funny scene. It's like a fortune teller would. You know, it's mystical tits. I don't care what you say. Silent Bob's head breaking into that dressing room is one of the funniest parts of that movie. It's a find or found it, though.

It's a funny movie. Tony, you've done it again. God damn you. God damn you, you genius. So Richard Gere goes back to the jail. He kicks Molly out here in the middle of a session. I need to talk to my client. this is the big breakthrough.

He bullies him and bullies him and bullies him until Edward Norton turns right here. He turns into Roy. But it doesn't do it on purpose. He just is bullying him because the case isn't going well. Yes, no, exactly. He's pissed off. He's like, I saw the tape.

You're lying to me. This, that, and the other. Right, I'm losing this case because my client is lying to me. Yes. And so. I'm going to admit it. Fantastic rack on that lady. But still, we have to focus.

He says he saw the tape at this point, too. Yes. And then it's just this, who the fuck are you? You're the lawyer, aren't you? And it just turns it. And this is... It's good. Norton is so good here, man. It's fucking terrifying. Richard Gere's character is shitting his pants and Gere's doing a good job of reacting.

Like, what is happening? It's fucked up. Apparently a little bit of this is like Norton, like he shoved him a couple times when he wasn't supposed to. Like to kind of keep the intensity in the scene and like surprise Richard Gere, which works. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just, dude, your first movie and you're just shoving Richard Gier? That's awesome.

You're shoving the American jiggle around the fucking set. first movie? Oh, yeah. Officer and a fucking gentleman. You fucking remake Breathless, you fucking weirdo. Try looking for Mr. Goodbar now. It is balls in to be able to do that. Yeah, no, it is. This is, I will kick your fucking ass to Sunday.

He's 27 in this, by the way. And Timmy, Timmy shallamee, is just about 30. So, like, they're almost the same age. Oh, interesting. So do you think Timmy's, like, going to go away for a while and then come back and then again work with Wes Anderson

I guess because he's already done that Hey interesting but yeah Aaron couldn't kick his own ass you saw him with the duh duh

duh he's really fucking doing it man and like he keeps like keeping Fred's McDormon out of out of there because she's like

trying to break in until finally like I think breaks his head open a little bit here he punches him doesn't yes yeah you see in the tape and he punches Richard

gear in the face right here which is awesome we just want to anyone know that is crooked cock and I mean I understand it you know what I mean but it's a it's a common affliction it just goes to the left it's not a huge deal hey some girls like a little bit of a hook totally don't

don't worry so much it's fine if it's like a candy cane kind of like just going right up you're in a great position fellow variety is great don't be worried so much but yes he does the same thing again like when Molly comes back in the room he kind of falls on the floor and he looks up he's like mister rail did it hurt you

you say people gonna die but then this is he's talking with Francis McDormand and he's pissed off and he's like that little fuck did it you see he's using this old school Coke vending machine right here oh man the old labels were really sending me there's a scene where I will talk about it but like it's Laurelini in her apartment she is crushing a leader of coke heavy

like you wouldn't believe it I'm like what a world when she's drinking out of a two liter bottle a one liter bottle oh all those one liters yeah I've been known to tackle it once here, here and there. I'm just going to put it out there. But you've got to get it from the machine. This one still has the cocaine in it. But Fransson is great, right?

Now we can go legal insanity or complete insanity. We can't change our plea in the middle of the case. I can't even introduce this unless, and then he figures out that they're basically going to drop the tape off anonymously at Laura Lindy's house. This is when she's crushing this fucking wood leader. Oh, is that when it's going on? Oh, that's funny.

Is she doing it from the bottle? No need for a glass with the one leader. Single server. Good grip, yeah. He's sort of like at some point, you know, right before. They drop it off because he apologizes to everybody. He's like, sorry I was the most unprofessional. Anyone's ever been in a room or whatever.

He's also at this point told the magazine guy his whole thing about like why he switched over. This is where he's got his own personal bottle at the bar. And he ends the scene with a good, by the way. if you print any of this, I'll fucking sue the shit out of your ass. Well, it's interesting because, yeah, he said the wrong guy to, he said the wrong guy to jail, right? It was the idea. It was something like, yeah, he, he's like,

yeah, I wound up doing something illegal for the cops, basically. And I felt shitty about it. And I quit and became a scuzzy yet super successful defense attorney. But, yeah, so we leave that tape or whatever. So then this sets off, like, the whole firestorm. She immediately knows, like, what went down. And she's like, okay, so where the fuck did you find this? How'd you get in with this?

And he's like, whatever do you mean? Cute corno, Marty. Part of your collection? Which that implies because they dated for six months, she knows, possibly this is how I choose to read the line. She knows he's got a personal collection of pornography. Because he's just one of those dudes. If I don't have a lady friend on my arm that night, I'm going home and my stupendous

catalog of pornography will keep me warm. Do you think you jerked off to this day? That's what I'd be curious. Did he make a copy for later? I don't think. It's definitely confirmed copies are made by it. Copsies are made for sure, but I don't think, you know what, though? That's one the, it's a memory thing. You're not doing

it to the tape, but he remembers the tape there. He's just got that right there. You just cut to him one disease. It's just like, help her. He's a jacket. Yeah, well, honestly, that beautiful velvety voice of the Archbishop helps, right? Like, oh, yeah. Joy, some joy scenes with Richard Rushman. I would also say, helper, if I was

in the room there, jacking. they're at alibis and she's like you know giving him shit about the tape or whatever this is where this was a funny thing like they're sitting down and she uh turns back to the bartender and goes uh the usual and then this waitress just brings her a bottle of bud light yes that's the usual brings her a one liter of coke that would have been something though then i'd be like now that's a usual that's a character uh but so um terio quin and uh shana seeer like do not you can't show this tape. You can't use the tape.

Why? There's a great line from Sean as he's like, if you don't have a motive by now, God help you. Oh, yeah, totally. And she says something to him and he's like,

oh, cut the crap, Janet. We know that you are bawling him. Yes. In regard to Richard Gere, which is funny. Ballin's a great one. You don't hear that as often as you should. Slobber knocker and bawling. Totally.

You bring those back. The fact that this is what like pushed Mahoney over the edge like this is what did it to Sean and say he's like all right okay so he fucked the kids all right fine fine fine both know you're fucking Marty Valin that's about the same

isn't it right? It's also just like he doesn't want any he doesn't want to expose the Catholic church yeah they don't get anything like these people fucking do these evil cowardly people so it's the next day in court this is where Judge Alfrey Woodard walks in with that huge

glass of iced tea oh it's You can smell it on her. Andre Broward kind of takes the stand around here and Laura Lennie kind of wipes the floor with him. Yeah, she basically calls him up because she wants to introduce the tape and she's just like, but she wants to make clear that Richard Gear is the source of the tape. Yes, exactly.

So she kind of does, she does wipe the floor out of him. This is when Terry Quinn says, you better find a new job. Andrew Bauer has to describe what's on the tape. And I'm like, could you just put me in jail? Dude. And could you please just do that? I prefer. It was so good.

Like, it's kind of a. a whole movie. Yes, yeah. And she has some line about... And who was the director? The Archbishop. He was very obsessed with helping in a way... It's real hands-on director, one might say.

Serving his community. Very sensitive, fella. Weird shot. Not really a scene, but I wanted to point out because it's funny. Richard Gere watching this tape again over... Oh, yeah, he is. A delivery of Chinese food for like six.

people. It's the classic movie thing. No one's going to believe you would just buy one meal for Chinese takeout. All these little cartons all over the table. Try everything. Have some more for later. Totally. Have General Sous and sesame and orange chickens. You got to get off of them together.

In a thing to Steve's point of something that like to Eric's point fills out the world, but to Steve's point doesn't do much for the movie. Panero found murdered in the river or he's got a bullet in his head. I think that's also like saying like Shaughnessy could fucking kill you.

Yeah, he's playing for keeps. This is when he put, this is when Richard Geer puts Sean Sey on the stand and basically has his ass. He does. He does. Yeah, I thought Andre Brower got it, but John Mahoney gets it on the stand here. And there's like some ginger kid is in his 20s,

but like, you know, in the 80s apparently there was some allegations against a Ritchman that this kid talked to the Texas for two weeks and then he's never heard from again. Yes, Michael O'Donnell, we're told. Oh, okay. And it's this crazy, like, everybody's, like, so shocked about this that Alfred Woodard has to call

for a recess right here. And this is awesome. Richard Gear just goes up to Shaughnessy on the stand and he's like, that was for Panero, you fucking piece of shit. He's doing a lot of grab at the microphone and I can say what I want. Well, yeah, because Alfred Wooder's fucking tanked. And what's she's going to do?

Totally. That's not legal. What do I say? I saw you covering the microphone with your hand. Where's my? bag for my movements. She calls him she calls him as like, you can't have

your personal vendettas here. Stop reppping your client. Start reping your client and stop reping yourself. Yeah, it's a great moment. This is basically the climax where he's like, what am I going to do here? How am I going to win the case? How am I going to do all this stuff? What if I put Edward Norton on the stand? Right, yeah, because Molly has previously testified

all this stuff. Oh, right. They think it's like bunk. Like, uh, Laurelini really goes after Francis McDormann in this scene too. And this is awesome. These two going off against each other because Franey McDee's character understands the importance of what's going on. Laurelini's character is being very fucking condescending.

Oh yes, I forgot. The multiple personalities. And just pointing out like her flaws as an expert witness that more of an academic not actually like dealing with patients in the field. You don't know anything about forensics. Didn't you fuck Marty? Yes. Didn't like

You dad like stab your mom Objection Seth Rogen Not a verifiable witness Get out of here In 1996 Set the Rogen But yeah

So that it's The big The Doudanuma The film Edward Norton takes the stand Yes And like Marty is already trying

At the beginning I think he grabs the microphone Be a man You little piece of shit All these, like, trigger words that have gotten him before. Right, right, right. You got a small dick. What?

You got a small dick, you hear me. I saw it. Pain and fail sucks shit. What? I could even come to your porno, too. I tried every night. Last five nights. You got to bet dick and not in the good way.

What? Where are you saying to him? Why did you help her? That's client, client privilege. Laura Linney, like, really gives it to him right here. It's a weird part I feel like if I ever had to testify I'd instantly be put in contempt of court

because of a sarcastic barb thrown someone's way because all I can think about right here like Lauren Lini doing this whole thing she's like well you know if the Archbishop made me do a sex tape and this that and the other thing I'd stab him 78 times I'd probably cut his head off like whatever

and I just in my head I wanted to be like you'd probably do what you're saying you'd do that that's so fucked up judge Judge, do you want to stop? Do you want maybe stop what she's doing? I think we found the killer. Oh, she's a, yeah, she's drunk and asleep again. The judge is passed out drunk.

We got to look at a Laurelini's compact laptop she's got in the courtroom. Good Lord, this thing. But she just pushes him to the break where he jumps over the stand and grabs her by the neck is going to break her at half. Dude, like fucking Superman himself ready to break this woman's neck. public man it is fucking wild the jump over the I mean Norton really selling the physicality you're jumping over the bench oh

it kicks so much ass I just love a courtroom when pandemonium everyone's flipping out good old courtroom freak out dude we didn't even mention it a few times a great like hushed tones throughout the crowd there's so many gasps yeah gasps yeah like it's kind of a whole movie of sex of

oh oh oh no no those reactions for like the details of the tape I think you're one thing. The funniest one of them, though, is when John Mahoney's on the stand and he's like, yes. And so how much money was invested in this waterfront property? He goes, $60 million. And everyone goes, oh. And I was like, wait, why did you do it for that? Like, yes, it's a high amount of money, sure, but really? I'm not going to audibly gas. You lost your breath in hearing a figure? It's so funny. But yeah, we go back in Judges Chambers and... Richard Geert knocks him out, too, right? That's kind of how that happens. He saves the day physically? Do I get that right? Or is the cops get him? He takes Laurelini away from her.

The cops get him. He protects Laura Linney. And they go into the judges chambers and Alvary Woodard is like throwing her hands up and throwing a cup. She's pouring drinks for everybody. I love that Laura Liddy's trying to smoke a cigarette but you can't even think about lighting that.

She's doing the great. I'm traumatized. So like my handshaking trying to smoke. Alvary Woodard, great move here too. Richard Gere says no thank you on the whiskey. She's like, More for me. Porset in her glass.

Awesome detail. I got the day off now. You guys really freed up my afternoon, such as it is. She says that we're not going to do a mistrial. She's like, I will give you a mistrial, Laura Linney, if you want it. She doesn't want to do it. She's like, I don't want her to try this trial again. She knows that the city's not going to do it.

Yes. Well, Mahoney told her that there will be no mistrial. And she's like, I'm out of a job anyway. I don't give a shit what you do. So what if I did a bench? well I'll remove the jury call it a bench trial and he will be found

guilty by reason of insanity and he can be evaluated for 30 days in a correctional facility right which he then might get out after that period or whatever 30 days she's Woodard's got some great line about how that's like a problem for the police or whatever

when Laura Linney protests like well he's going to be back out in no time yeah that's a problem for the cops so yeah it's like well the day is saved. They agree that that's what's going to happen. Richard Gere goes to give him the news or whatever. Oh, thank you so much. He's really

sort of like doing the whole thing. One quick detail is Laura Linney sparks up that cigarette after she leaves anyway so she still smokes in her office. Fuck you. Alphrey Woodard leaves both of them in there. It's like, oh, you kids turn off the lights when you leave my judge's chambers. Can you contempt somebody of court for smoking in your

office? Probably. Yeah. Yeah, it's sort of like being a crusty old dean. Yeah, you can just kidempt. It would be the most satisfying cigarette ever That was paying a grand to smoke What looks like a very long camel why It's almost a cigar cigarette You want to call it a slim because of the length

But it's a wider length guy Well you know what those are 100s my friend Oh the 100s When you really wanted to get to the grave early 100s were the way to go But so he goes and he's like well this is probably the last time You'll see me into whatever you need anything blah blah blah blah

and please tell Miss Venerable or Laura Linney I hope I didn't hurt her neck and Richard Gears like got it, no problem takes like three steps down the corridor stops, wait a second wait what he says

I will say the applause is a bit much oh yes he comes back and the golf clap oh it is just the most it's the easiest sign of evil right away just the golf clap and the thing too is he intentionally threw that out there

He's like, I wanted to see. If you get it, like, mastermind this fucker, it turns out. There is no errand. Yes. Only Zool. Or Roy, excuse me. It was, Roy was doing all. It was the Roy show, you dumb motherfucker.

Really sort of bathing in the success of this. I mean, wouldn't somebody somewhere, like we called somebody like Alex or somebody, wouldn't you ask him like, he does stutter though, right? Like, no, he does, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Or was the, was that all? was he just doing that all the time because that's what's amazing about like when you if you try to like trace it back you're like so if he's that all the time was he really like a

runaway teen was he kind of just like yes i'm a runaway teen and now i have a stutter in this town and i'm like hi like has he killed other people he says he admits to killing linda which is also the funny that that always sticks in my that stuck in my crawled this time around because like the end of this movie is gear being deflated like i just got this guy off for killing Rushwood, what am I going to do? Yes. Go to the cops. Like, he fucking killed Linda.

Yeah, he just told me that C word got what she deserved. And or like, you know, just maybe it's illegal for you to go, but you just sort of pepper some evidence that goes his way. But, you know, where's the body? I guess that hasn't been discovered. So, you know, you can't do any. Listen, let the bodies get discovered. Then you can maybe say. Let the bodies get discovered.

Let the bodies get discovered. Yeah. Raw. Gear. Exactly. Yeah, I was just dying to tell you I'd wonder if you were gonna figure it out We were dancing in there Marty

We were dancing Right, the whole like when you said You were trying to push me I knew exactly what you wanted Yeah, oh man And just this partners Come on now Dude, gear just fucking eating his hat man

Just God what did I step into And it's a cool ending Because obviously like he He talks in the bar About how much he loves the fanfare Of going through and like being asked all these questions and like there's there it is they're all

there waiting for him but he goes out the back exit because he doesn't want to deal with it exactly and it's I love this super overhead shot very north by northwest when he's running out of the UN and it's just gear walking on this path and then it just cuts we're back on the ground

gears looking out like the fuck do I do now and it just cuts to black in the movie's over with well because what he's going to do now is keep on doing what he's been yeah sure it's just like the train that keeps on rolling. You take the L, you can't, you know, nobody bats a thousand. No, exactly.

Someone got it over on you. You know, it happens to the best of us, you know, it's fine. What does the title mean? I have no fear. Okay, thank you. This is a great place to end on because I was wondering that this morning. Okay. So it's like, I guess your carnal instinct or whatever, like you're, the thing that you're most, like everybody is most scared of in, like basic.

Like an animal level. You're afraid that you might. starring a porno and kill a bishop or something. Or you might get somebody off that started a porno and kill the bishop. Or like you're just afraid of him because now he's scary. I don't know what it means. One of the biggest

fears of all, the fear of getting duped. Yeah, exactly. He isn't what I thought he was. I just always think of that video game. It was it primal rage where there was some animals fighting each other. It was dinosaurs. Or the dinosaurs are fighting. Big King Kong

motherfuckers. There was like an ape guy. That was a great one. It was a fun little game. Then you turned out the Raptor was faking it the whole time. And then they do the clap at the end. When you were going into that, I was like,

I hope he started, and you did exactly what I, that's, that's, that's. You guys, we're dancing. I'm not going to get yelled out in the hallway after this, like I'm usually, which I love. Steve will still be getting flogged. Shit. It looked like a Raptor, but he was really a Delophisaurus.

Yeah, oh, yeah, he was hiding his little collar. But that is the end of primal fear. around the horn for some final thoughts and recommendations Mr. Eric. Yes, it is a recommend. I do like this movie. It feels like a warm bath in a way because it's just like you're watching people who know how to fucking shoot

outside in film locations and it just, you know, I mean, and this is also partially nostalgia for a world that no longer exists when we had dank bars, you know, that had no TVs and you're just in there. When your usual could be a bottle of bud light.

Yeah. But, you know, and good acting good i like i like gear i've got goodwill towards gear um uh ed norton's good and this i mean it's a it's a pretty much a full-throated recommend i do see it gets a little soggy but i kind of don't mind it yeah chris cabman oh yeah it's good uh it's it's worth seeing i think if you haven't seen it already i mean it to that like what i was talking about before i think it's ridiculous like of course it's stupid and silly and all that stuff it's it's an amnesia case i mean come on guys everybody it's uh but it is it's they do a great job of it they do a great job of polishing a turd i i thought all the performances are good all the location shooting's great uh i mean i do think at the

end and it's it's partially the stephen bower stuff but it does kind of get rushed at the very end because they have too much stuff that they have to tie up and i you know not to say i want this thing longer but like maybe i do i don't know uh but other than that i really have nothing it will towards this. It's all gravy, baby. Yeah, Steve Saneck. It's an ass magnet, man. I remember maybe last year we were on tour I had to go to bed. Like, maybe we had

the show in the next day or maybe I had a flight in the morning or whatever. It was just like, yeah. It's like 11.30 I'm flat around hotel TV and this just starts and I'm like, fuck. And I was up for an hour and a half. Like I went to, I didn't watch the whole thing, but I really like as a certain point, you got to stop. You know what I mean?

You got to stop because you know they're going to cut those titties out. You know, it's going to be just all for not. Not at the showtime. Oh, shit. Nice. I didn't know the network. Cool.

You've seen a few. It's a blast. It's a blast. It is a little soggy in the middle, but it is really entertaining, really engaging. They don't make them like this anymore. The cast is absolutely insanely stacked where you can forget that Francis McDormon, three-time Oscar winner, or wherever the fuck, is in it. Yeah. And, you know, in a predominant role.

Totally. So it's that kind of a movie. I enjoyed it and you know like the twist is the twist and like I think the funny thing about watching all these movies again it's like this is what I used to love was like movies that need movies needed twists to be good in my mind for a while yeah totally and I just it's kind of funny to revisit it in that end but the twist is just sort of fine I just it's a good movie otherwise this this I think is one of those is one of the cases where the twist is there it helps it's a cool ending but it if the movie just ended with him with with with the multiple personality, it would be kind of

still just almost as good. Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. And the fact that it is, thankfully, though, at like the very end, he just has to leave a building and the credits are there helps that quite a bit. If he was trying to whatever after the fact, you'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, the movie finishes where

it finishes. But yeah, it had been a really long time since I'd seen this all the way through. It's fun as fuck. It is a ass magnet movie that it is really hard, as Steve has said, to reverse the polarity. Like, if you get stuck watching this movie, good luck getting to bed it's really fantastic

and is streaming on Paramount Plus if you want to watch it because hell yeah go check it out if you have in you but that is going to do it for this episode

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In a role there This month we had a It's an animation damnation And Hey Arnold's Valentine's spectacular Sure Look out for that Gleap Glossary big one Yes we're doing Lobots

Not really a wait what you arey But one of the girls On Skeleton Cruise is a low bot type of person so it felt like a good thing to tie into it

so it should be a lot of fun hearing about Lando Calarizian's house boy so yeah tune into that will be a lot of fun

you got a very hot and messy Melro 210 oh dude it just gets sloppier by the month two words for you Daddy Wars Daddy Wars has begun

in the in 90210 so you should be prepared for that I think hell yeah it's just been a banger month all around for WHM and our family of

shows and wait what you worry I believe comes to an end next week Steve next Tuesday one final with a big twist from the master you couldn't have a wait what you are without M Knight

and that's why we got to talk about signs yes long time coming with this one Joaquin that piece of shit that directed the plane movie swing away Merrill Little kid, anybody? I think it's a Breslin. I think it's Abigail Breslin.

Oh, okay. Sure, sure, sure. Is that alien anyone? Seth Rogen voices. Might be a Colgan. The boy might be a Culkin. Is the boy a Culkin? That's an interesting question. Rory? Is it a Roury? It could be a Culkin. I also think it could be a Culkin. That could be our show. Is it a Culkin?

The alien almost gets Bishop Rushman, if I'm not mistaken, with a butcher knife. Like his hand comes out. I can't wait to revisit. It's signs. It's been a long time. I remember liking in the theater. Yeah, absolutely. So until next week with one final twist, I've been Andrew Juppen. Stephen Zana. Eric Cisker.

Chris Cabin. Take it easy. Thank you.