We Hate Movies - S15 Ep797: The Craft (with Angelica Jade Bastién)

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

“This is just a collection of mediocre covers.” - Chris on the soundtrack On this week’s episode, the gang’s under the spell of the mid-90’s witchcraft cult classic, The Craft, chatting ab...out the flick with long-time friend of the show, Angelica Jade Bastién! Does this movie get better with each viewing? Couldn’t the script have added a little more of Cliff De Young’s character (for Eric)? How great is Snake Guy and his exit from the film? And did anyone care about that legacy sequel? PLUS: Should Charles Xavier take these girls under his wing? The Craft stars Robin Tunney, Fairuza Balk, Neve Campbell, Rachel True, Christine Taylor, Breckin Meyer, Nathaniel Marston, Cliff De Young, Assumpta Serna, and Skeet Ulrich as Chris Hooker; directed by Andrew Fleming. Tickets are on sale now for our three-night residency during the Oxford Comedy Festival! We’ll be doing six shows over three nights from July 18 through 20, doing shows like WHM, W❤️M, The Nexus, The Gleep Glossary, and Animation Damnation! Tickets are going fast, so friends over there, snag your tix!  Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This week on the program. Yeah, this movie rewired some stuff in my brain as a kid. It's the Kraft. I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen wearing a wig. Eric Siska. Chris Craft. Angelica Jade Bastien.
Starting point is 00:00:13 And we hate movies. Hello, everyone, welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in, as always. That's right. This week we're talking the craft, directed by Andrew Fleming from the Year of Our Lord 1996. And to do this, who better to bring in than our old great friend, Angelica Jade Bastion, back to We Hate Movies. Hello.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Hey, guys. It's always nice hanging out with you guys. Of course, you had to get an actual witch for this episode. We don't know what's going on here, you know. So we got to have someone in here who can tell us, like, the BS from the real deal. Do the drawings move in the books? Oh, of course. They don't move for you guys?
Starting point is 00:01:25 I thought they just move for everyone. Oh, they don't move for us. Nothing moves for us. The downloads don't move. do a spell to get more people invested in the show? I'll call upon my ancestors be like, hey, I know you guys
Starting point is 00:01:38 went through like a lot of shit, but can you know those white guys? Give me some help with their podcast. They need a leg up. That's what they need. Push Tim Apple around a little bit. How about that? Just give you a little nudge. To be fair, though, we couldn't
Starting point is 00:01:51 do this episode without you because if there's the four of us, it'd be a bunch of Chris Hookers talking about the craft. You can't have that. It's true. Also, man, Chris Hooker great character name. Excellent name. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Real asshole haircut on him, too, by the way. It's a real, like, that guy looks like an asshole with that haircut. Yes. It is just obvious from moment one. Don't talk to this dude. This dude is skeezy. Like, Nancy was right. Justice Friedrich.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Yes, please. I mean, honestly, that goes from most skeet-orric characters. Generally speaking, just stay away from them. It's not a good idea. Generally, I just, I feel that way. Even with Chill Factor, I know he's a nicer guy in that one. Oh, sure.
Starting point is 00:02:36 He's a loving father in that movie. It's high school rules. You don't, like, bullies hang out with bullies, like finds like. If he's hanging out with a little asshole, Breck and other guy, and they're being bullies, you've got to be like, that's the bully. And you just walk away. You know what I mean? You've got to
Starting point is 00:02:51 figure that shit out. And you know, the thing with Skeet's hair, just to get back to it for a quick second. What's going on? You're Skeet Elric, I believe, naturally curly hair. Which you see on display here Because it's just like very short And we're not doing anything product wise or whatever When he's Billy Loomis and Scream
Starting point is 00:03:07 Just months after this movie comes out, right? Craft is released in May. Scream is in December of 1996. He's, it's longer, it's straightened, the hair we sort of more know him as. This is like pre-fame hair, I think. Yeah. He's less hot in this one.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Oh, like miles less. It's actually kind of wild. how much less hot. Maybe he should have been killing people. And then he gave him hot powers. Yes. Just like what's his name? Ed Gein was a looker, right?
Starting point is 00:03:41 Was that the looker? Oh, like, it's all the works in movies. In real life, these, like, serial killers are ugly. I have, okay, this is something I've always wanted to ran about. Sure. They talk about some of these white serial killers, like Bundy. Who's that bitch who was eating people?
Starting point is 00:03:58 and like... There's a few. Oh, Jeff Dahmer. Dommer as like attractive. And then you hear this, right? Like, as a black person, you hear this. Like, this is how they got them because they were attractive.
Starting point is 00:04:10 You see these boogers. And they're like, what the fuck's happening with white people that you guys think? This is... Angelica, come on. Dommer's a Milwaukee 8. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:24 But that's your taste. Eric, you have unique tastes in men. I feel like you are. are. I will say, though, I think you're totally right. And you always hear that. But it's also like this weird thing about like historical figures too. Like Kennedy, they talk like he's some fucking 10th. He's ugly. I'm sorry. Dude, it's a ham sandwich with legs. Exactly. He was ugly. And don't get me started on the fact that Marilyn Monroe will always be so tied to them, even though I have controversial thoughts about like that is, I think some of that. The Kennedy
Starting point is 00:04:54 connection is actually trumped up, but I'm not going to go down that road. But she's so beautiful. She's so beautiful. Like, oh, my God. And then you think of him and you're like, what? Like, what the fuck? Man, these men. He looks like a whole movie's character. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. He looks like a whole movie's character.
Starting point is 00:05:13 The man was killed. That is true and you should know it. Speaking of stuff that's probably pretty ugly, did anyone watch that sequel or that Blumhouse remake The Craft Legacy in 2020? I just found out about this. So here's the thing about that. Here's the thing about that movie. I thought for sure that I had seen it. And so I looked up, because it was 2020, it was a Pando release, right? So I looked up on
Starting point is 00:05:39 Letterbox, and there was no rating, very unlike me. And I was like, well, you know, pandemic, maybe I just had other things on my mind or whatever. So I asked Chelsea, I was like, we saw that craft sequel, right? And she was like, I've never seen that movie. But I guess maybe I just watched the trailer or something, because I know that Farooza is the only character that returned. It's a pre-fame Kaylee Spani as the main character. Oh.
Starting point is 00:06:05 And is it a Hannibal Lecter thing where like they go and visit her to get her wisdom? Yes, actually. I just I just looked at the Wikipedia plot somewhere. It seems like it's an ending. I'm revealing myself. She's like someone's biological mother and it's like, whoa. That's stupid.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Oh, that's dumb as fuck. They use their witch powers to make like a shitty dude just like a genuinely good person. They're like, that guy's a chauvinistic pig. Oh, nice. Witch powers. Now he's just a good guy.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And that's so far from like the appeal of what's going on in this movie. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But maybe that's the way to actually fix men. Just like get witches to cast spells because everything else isn't working. Honestly, we're up for anything at this point. We will take any bids that sound somewhat
Starting point is 00:07:00 I don't want to see a budget until I really see a good outline But this We'll take anything Gave me a witchcraft will work When I see that budget I'm going to flip out over the candles The amount of candles you bought
Starting point is 00:07:13 There's going to be a lot of red ones Eric and they're going to be They're going to be the bigger ones I think I think we're going to have to go with the bigger ones So Andrew already started by saying This would be rewired his brain My brain was already fucked I went to Catholic school But I'm curious
Starting point is 00:07:27 about you, Angelica, what's your, what is your experience with the craft? My brain was already fucked up. I saw Hellraiser at 10 years old. So, like, I was ruined early on. But the craft was like, I think for many, you know, young girls my age, I was already goth. So it was already, like, the Nancy character was, like, you know, made for me. Like, she's like an icon in this house.
Starting point is 00:07:53 But, you know, it, like, awakened my interest in witchcraft. and like it was just like for women of a certain age this is like a crucial movie for the weirdo women of a certain age like this like speaks to us it's fun and I have so many issues with it as an adult but there's like this nostalgia factor
Starting point is 00:08:15 and like Farooza Balc is just so good in it like she's so much better than the movie itself that you're kind of like oh imagine if there was a movie that like match the crazy energy of her performance. Yes, she does feel like she's kind of existing in a slightly better movie. And I like this movie quite a bit. It plays better for me every time I see it. And she is just in a different space. And I kind of think that's true of like a lot of stuff that she pops up. And even like smaller, more thankless things like almost famous, you almost feel like
Starting point is 00:08:50 like she's there. Like she's in the movie. She's doing a good job. But she's also like better. I mean, She's obviously better than that tiny role. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. You open the door to a question I wanted to ask you, because I know this movie is super important to weirdo women, weirdo girls at the time who became weirdo women. I married one.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Weird weird weirdo woman. What is more important to, I mean, obviously this is a case by case basis. This or Ghost World? Weirdo Girl. Ghost World did not speak to me. It was too white. It was a kind of white that I was like. like not interested in
Starting point is 00:09:28 and I watched it like in my youth like I remember getting it from like blockbuster and being like oh that like looks interesting those are girls I'm like a girl like the logic when I was picking movies would be like that Ghostworld like never spoke to me
Starting point is 00:09:45 and like I feel like because probably because in the craft Nancy that character has an edge and like She's weird in a way that's not as easily, like, um, digestible, I would say. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah. She's like weird in a dangerous way, actually. She's, she's, she's an acquired taste as a person. Like if you, like in the movie, if you're trying to make friends with her, it's an acquired taste. And you kind of feel like the rest of the girls in the circle know that too. There's a certain sense of like eye rolling like, oh, Nancy. Nancy's a fuck. Sorry, Nancy's a cunt.
Starting point is 00:10:25 but that's just who she is like don't feel any sort of way but she is a cut which is like a funny thing to be like yeah our friend's a bitch just like deal with it everyone's apologizing for her all that she's just like
Starting point is 00:10:41 that way sometimes sorry yeah she's just like really depressed because like her home life sucks she lives in a leaky trailer yeah she should stop doing that I don't know why she does that It's really, it's depressing when I hear about it
Starting point is 00:10:56 And she keeps, she keeps bringing it up sometimes And I'm just, it's sad, it's so sad Oh God, can we get a Diet Coke? Did she give you a spell that gave you weird nightmares That made you shit yourself, sorry She just does that sometimes She saw train spotting and that was really it That she just thought that was the funniest thing in the world
Starting point is 00:11:15 So our opening scene here, our pre-credit scene Is the original three, Nancy, which is Froez-Balk Bonnie, which is Neff Campbell and Rochelle, who's Rachel True. We're doing a spell here. We're calling out ours is the power. They've got the table set up here with all sorts of stuff on it. Question here, was that a bag of weed that I spied on the table while the...
Starting point is 00:11:39 Probably incense of some kind. No, there's smoking. Okay, do it. Listen, there's a rolled-up thing of sage. There's candles. There's all the stuff you expect, Steve. And then just on that table, I'm fairly certain there's also just a compliment. bag of weed.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Like a post-spell smoke sash or something? Which is fun. It's great. Traditionally, though, you do expect there to be more red wine than weed with the witches. That's generally what you think. But I know. I know it's a stereotype. But that's what I was expecting here.
Starting point is 00:12:09 And I was like, oh, weed, I guess. No, these witches be smoking. Let me tell you, these witches be smoking. Remember, kids, wait to your 21 or ask your parents permission. No, don't ask them. Don't ask you. Wait to your 21. We have the disclaimer we have to say that.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Sorry. Okay, dad. That's right. I'm dad. I'm Cliff DeYoung. Yes, I always wanted to be Cliff. Oh, dude. Cliff Seeds deleted DeYoung.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Thank you. What the hell's happening there? I love Cliff Deion and he's not in this really. He's barely in this. And the parents are non entities besides for Ruzabalk's stepfather. Fair figure. Quite a situation there. Eric, where did this Clifty?
Starting point is 00:12:47 Did this Clifty Young love come directly from him shitting him? himself in the Hulk Hogan movie? No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, that wasn't where the spark came, okay. No, no, no, no, he's, uh, the dude in, uh, what is that fucking wrestling movie? No holds barred. No holds bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not. I, you know, what's funny, I didn't watch that movie till we did it on the show. And I don't think I was even on that episode, but my love for
Starting point is 00:13:10 Clifty Young comes from Pulse. The movie where the house is, the house tries to kill everyone through electricity or whatever. A very fun movie back in the day and he always just appeared in random things that terrible kefer sutherland dennis hopper movie he plays like a corrupt oh flashback flashback and then he's in one of the he's in the substitute i think is a similar that sounds correct yes i think he's he's also uh corrupt in that uh and that's the thing is clifty young is just incredibly boring that's what i was kind of shocked that you're i know i know i am slandering your your love here but i i do i find it
Starting point is 00:13:51 Dr. Giggles, for Christ's sake, Chris. Well, he isn't Dr. Giggles. That should prove it right there, that he didn't take the lead. Interesting Cliff DeYoung thing, by the way, speaking of you guys saying that he's boring. He replaced Barry Bostwick as
Starting point is 00:14:08 Brad Majors in the ill-received Rocky Horror Picture Show sequel, Shock Treatment. Oh, boy. I didn't even know that existed. Precisely. Yeah. It ain't good. I do love the opening credits though
Starting point is 00:14:23 We didn't talk about just there's that the fucking The logo is great The logo department really killed it Thank you That's what I was trying to fucking say before we went on this Cliff de Young Jag I just want to get him on the show Reach out if you know him sure
Starting point is 00:14:37 Oh please it's fucking great It's you know what it is Steve It reminds me the old remember the old VC Andrews books Like those like the paperback font on those books You know flowers in the attic was What the fuck was that movie in the attic It's just a great It's a great typography is what it is
Starting point is 00:14:53 Class A typography That's like 2% of the reason This movie works honestly Yes Not bad It's a great soundtrack too You got Arleigh Yeah the soundtrack
Starting point is 00:15:03 Right at the top Yeah Tasty I'm gonna say This is a collection of I would say mediocre covers The good thing about this Was that it did lead me
Starting point is 00:15:15 That did lead me To like all the bands That did the original like I think I saw I bought the Smith's first record after seeing this because I liked this song so much and I was like I'm like oh wait this one's better oh my god this is so much better yeah the original's better yeah the original's better I've always found it funny that the like love spit love cover is also like the opening song for Charmed I was like someone watched the craft I guess yeah someone wants to get sued is what I was like wild sure No, it's this, rewatching it this time I was like, oh, this is a movie that actually
Starting point is 00:15:55 is like not that great and doesn't reach its full potential, but it has like, as a movie, some sort of weird charisma that it just like makes it fun to watch. Even though, like, honestly, the lead character is the most
Starting point is 00:16:12 boring character with the least interesting actress. She's such a like, scold and like wet rag that I'm like, I wouldn't want her in my coven either. It's like, bitch, let's get nasty. Who gives a fuck? Like, we're teenage girls. This is Robin Tunney as Sarah, the new girl, the school.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Wiggy the sentient wig as her wig. Oh, my God. A great turn by Wigie here. Excellent job. It's an unfortunate thing with this wig because, like, she had shaved her head for another worse movie, Empire Records, and then went in to do this and still had the shaved head. It's just Whig Town. Man, that sucks.
Starting point is 00:16:49 It's so bad. No, I think enough time has passed so that I can talk about it, Lauren. I'm really, I'm happy that you're interviewing a wig because we don't usually get, we don't usually get a lot of notice. But Robin Tooney was a nightmare. I'm going to just say it right now. She was a nightmare. Every day, every day she just threw me around. Just threw me on the flower.
Starting point is 00:17:09 The minute we were done, just right on the ground. Andrew Fleming, bless the man. He was so nice. But this lady, she treated me like trash. Yeah, and I was light as a feather. What's her problem? Why? No, that wig looks heavy as fuck.
Starting point is 00:17:23 That is a bad wig on every crime. It does deserve top billing over her, though, because it's more prominent than anything she's doing in her performance. I would say, with the exception of her, and she is, I do think she's kind of a boring actress, or at least boring in this role. I haven't watched The Mentalist, apologies. But I do, like, you didn't watch any of the 100. I've actually watched that show.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Most of it. I have no idea why. There was just this weird period where I was watching lots of like original TNT stuff or like, you know, like related, that sort of USA network fuck shit. And I don't know. Like I watched white collar and I was like, I'd be watching it and I'd be like, what are you doing this for? And I'd still watch it. Characters welcome at a gelatin I took a summer and watched a few seasons
Starting point is 00:18:20 of psych couldn't tell you why couldn't tell you thing about it now never finished it never really gave a shit it was just kind of on yeah but if I was a reviewer in the 90s I would be on the VHS box of this and in quotation it would say a hot young cast
Starting point is 00:18:36 because I do think that the cast itself is what elevates the movie aside from Robin Tini like oh yeah for his block we just talked about Rachel Trues very good in this A young Neve Campbell is ready to burst out. Skellrich, as a scumbag is good. Even Breck & Meyer is a little bully that needs to meet his own end.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Oh, he needs to get his ass beat. How does he not? One of his first lines in the movie when he's like, they're like in the French class. You know, like Sarah is getting used to the school and hasn't really found her groove. And like, he's like saying such bad French is like, I can know. I'm like, damn, bitch. Like you shouldn't be allowed to go. to France. Like, they'll donate you for that. And then, like, he, like, Sarah says something in French
Starting point is 00:19:21 and, like, actually puts an effort under her breath. And he says some shit, like, what did that snail trail say to me? And I was like, oh, he's going to hell. He's going to hell. Also, his character's name is Mitt, which is interesting. Yeah, Mitt. Oh, boy. Yeah, Mitt. Brackenmire and it's Mitt. Double T there, dude? Like, like, according to the IMDB, I don't know if I ever heard it in the motion picture, but that is a disturbing name. By the way, Robin Tooney, just to defend her slightly, it's a boring character, it's sort of like a conduit
Starting point is 00:19:51 for the audience to view things. Sort of like, I feel like they copied it in a little bit of, like, for Twilight. It's like this boring girl. And I like Stewart as an actress, but she's boring as dirt in that movie. I have a question. Are fucking incredibly hot
Starting point is 00:20:09 girls bullied in school? Because I don't think like, these girls would be like, everyone's like, holy shit. You know what I mean? It's kind of funny the politics of the school. Usually with these school, like where the politics of the school and the dynamics of the groups are important, they'd be fleshed out more. But it's really only a few characters you pay attention to.
Starting point is 00:20:30 I mean, I've never seen a hot girl bullied. Every school I went to, those hot girls were just fine. Or doing the bullying themselves. No, usually they were the bitches. Usually they were really nasty. And it's like, okay, like, calm down. Like, you're hot in high school. Good luck keeping that up, okay?
Starting point is 00:20:50 The hottest people like me become hot later. Thank you. Genetics, ancestors, and I don't know. Well, people like me become snake guy. I want to mention. Snake guy. Snake guy. Oh, my God, that was so crazy.
Starting point is 00:21:05 I was like, what is this dude just rolling up with a snake? Walking into someone's house, I found this outside. You want it? It's a fucking snake. It's for you. My hero has to chase him away. He chases him out like a raccoon. He's got a fucking fireboker.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Get out of you. Get out of it. It's so awesome. That was my half of the corned beef from last night, wasn't it? Yeah, he got it out of the trash, didn't he? That fucker. I love snake guy. When I saw the snake guy, I was like, Eric's going to love snake guy.
Starting point is 00:21:31 He's just got Eric written all over him. Yes. Yes, he does. That's going to be me very soon. Also, on top of shooing him away, then Clifty Young assassinations that snake. snake. He totally brings the fucking hammer down on it and kills it. We get snake POV for a second,
Starting point is 00:21:49 which is wild. Oh, totally. Not so boring, now is he, Chris? Yeah, because he kills snake. Question about this house they move into, because we get the exterior quite a few times here, and we're filming inside this house. Did anybody else notice this previous episode? Is this the house also from
Starting point is 00:22:07 Poison Ivy with Drew Barrymore and Tom Scarrant? I don't know. Entirely possible. I want to go back to Poison Light, because I was I don't think so. I don't think so, though. Because I watched Poison Ivy, actually somewhat recently. Got it. All right.
Starting point is 00:22:20 I don't know why that popped into my head for whatever reason I thought it might have been. It was specifically the driveway, I think, is different. Like, I feel like there's more like it's, like, you got a little bit of a garden going on in Poison Ivy. I like the, I like the style. I love that iron grade on a door. You know, Giles has that in the Buffy and also Dylan McKay has that as well. It's a cool California style thing to have. Important characters
Starting point is 00:22:44 I'm not joking. Don't laugh, bitch. I'm serious. I love motherfucking Giles. Thank you. Dylan McKay is hilarious. He's hilarious. But yeah, so we're in this French class, right?
Starting point is 00:22:59 And yeah, the good French, bad French is going on. The teacher is asking Breck and Meyer like what he did over the weekend. And he's like, oh, how do you say I got laid? How do you say go to the principal's office? How about get this kid adding? here. Well, I think because they actually brought in like a pervert Frenchman to teach the class. And he's like, oh,
Starting point is 00:23:19 soft and blue. Let's talk about if you got laid this weekend. You're fired. We'll be seeing you later. Why were you talking to a student about this exactly? It's clear that snail trail guy is friends with this guy that's going to go up to her like, I'm sorry about those guys. They're such
Starting point is 00:23:38 jerks. I mean, you cannot fall for this. I know. Come on. That's my problem with her. I'm like, you're kind of dumb. Give me that power. She's a little stupid. Because he's so obviously playing with her. And he, I mean, he literally like within seconds of sitting down and they're talking about the girls, he calls, he calls them bitches of Eastwick. And I'm like, I was like, girl, run. He's already a little, he calls them bitches of
Starting point is 00:24:07 Eastwick. Then Nancy is like, like a slut, like straight up that's how he describes her of course not from experience like he did which I was like girl again like he's basically saying yeah fucked her probably several times I do love that moment because he's
Starting point is 00:24:25 it's the three of them it's Rachel True Neff Campbell and Fruselbach's on the right Neff Campbell's in the middle and Rachel True is on the left he goes on the right that's a slut right there in the middle Nev Campbell yeah she got scars all over her body and then he just
Starting point is 00:24:40 waits beat and then he goes you got to stay away from me. He does not say anything about Rachel True, but you know he's just like, and she's black, sorry, but you know, uh, I mean, the problem with the movie and her character is kind of like, that's the movie's like characterization for her, which has always bothered me.
Starting point is 00:24:57 I always connected more with the Nancy character because I was like she's actually kind of built out as a character more than the other girls. But I was reading on Wikipedia, apparently the raw shell character that Rachel True plays was rewritten as black after she was cast, and then they added the racism subplot.
Starting point is 00:25:18 And I was like, then they made that just her, like, I definitely believe because of the Catholic school, it is like probably moneyed and all those things, that she would deal with, like, racism from people. But what bothered me is it's like, wait, y'all didn't think about anything else really for her character. Like, she would have other things going on. It's like they need, like, one more note with her care.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Get her on the fucking field hockey team. anything. Something. She wants to dive, ladies and gentlemen. Can't that be enough? Oh, right. I forgot. Yeah, she's on the fucking swim team. Do.
Starting point is 00:25:49 Or something. Maybe there's a big meat or something. And I know it's the turn of the movie, but like until the turn of the movie, like she isn't even that, like, she doesn't be pushed back that hard. She's trying to be understanding with Ben Stiller's wife, right? I'm right.
Starting point is 00:26:04 Christine Taylor, yes, yeah, yeah. Christine Taylor as blonde racist. I forget. get her actual name in it. But yes, they're on the dive team together. Laura. I think she was also credited as blonde racist on hey dude.
Starting point is 00:26:22 And blonde racist in the Brady Budge. No. Marsha was probably cool. I don't know. Dude, like, you got all them kids. One of them's going to be racist. I don't know. That family was stuck in the past, Steve. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:36 I was, I do, but Rochelle, as a character, is the one who, like, like senses that Sarah has power, you know what I mean, when they meet, so she's got like something to do, but to your point, yes. So she's the one. Well, Bonnie
Starting point is 00:26:51 also knows, just back to the French class for a second, Bonnie also knows before any of them, because she sees her, she's floating the, she's making the pencil spin on the desk, like she puts it, you know, like a lead side down or whatever and it's standing upright and she's making it twirl.
Starting point is 00:27:07 I think I have a new student from my school, the Xavier School for Mutants. Pencil girl. Come with me. Spinster, you'll be called. Oh, that's pretty good. Listen, all we do is manipulate useless objects. Gambit has his playing cards and you have your pencils. Don't focus on anything else. Just make things spin. It's fine. Just like people, if you can do that, oh man, you'll be in like Flynn. You'll be right next to Jubilee. We were calling her firework at first. It would be funny, though, if, like, she could only do that with pencils. He's like, okay, now pick up this huge iron rod and throw it with your mind. I can only do pencils.
Starting point is 00:27:50 She can't even lift a pen. It's pathetic. Oh, electric pencils, get out of here, man. Mechanical pencils can't even do that. It's got to be a number two. We'll call her number two. Oh, that sounds purely familiar. You will be the janitor.
Starting point is 00:28:07 So between French class and then in addition. science class scene we know that these three girls are looking for a fourth to complete their circle as they say and Bonnie Neve Campbell is convinced she comes into the science lab she's the one we have to recruit her and like Farooza you know Nancy is like
Starting point is 00:28:25 the only one who's not immediately like hey come over here or whatever she's like cold ignores her it's very Nancy and then this is the skeet hitting on Sarah at lunch like I'm just so sorry those guys are such assholes classic move by a douchebag.
Starting point is 00:28:42 We get the, she gets invited to watch the football practice. And I love this, uh, Fruza coming up. Oh, yeah, he spreads disease. I speak from experience. Oh, man. Chris Hooker. Oh, yeah. It's like kind of pathetic, though, that she is watching.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Yes. Yeah. It's like, you can tell when the girls roll up. They're like, really? If you're his long-term girlfriend, even that would be like, oh, man, better to do. But, like, this guy's like, hey, watch me fucking fucker. Watch me do something.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Like, I don't know, watch me do my chores for an hour. Usually, they want you to, like, like, like the guy at first. Like, there's some effort put into being like, this guy's kind of, he's kind of charming. He kind of, like, is paying attention. He's being nice. There's all this stuff. And, like, even, I suppose that's what you're, he's kind of doing in that scene on during lunch.
Starting point is 00:29:38 but like it didn't it all registered as creep to me all of it registered as creeps there's no like oh my God he's at least like sweet to her no it's not even that I wonder if this movie would be better one thing I found out was that
Starting point is 00:29:51 they really did pulled every punch they could on purpose to get a PG-13 rating but because it was it was four girls during witchcraft it was never going to happen you know what is this pilgrim shit fucking country we live in
Starting point is 00:30:03 but I wish to go the other way and actually leaned into the horror If this is a horror movie, it would be a much better movie. Like, you know what I mean? If Nancy kills like three people, you know what I mean? All the bullies, one at a time kind of asshole. You know what I mean? Like, now we've got a movie. Breck and Meyer must die. I know. It's weird he gets like no blowback at all from them because he's like an asshole like in every scene. He just gets horny for Nev Campbell. That's like the last time I see him, I'm pretty sure, is him being like, oh man, she's wearing a more a shirt with more skin show. showing. Wow. Okay, that brings up an interesting point about this movie. Like, they're at the
Starting point is 00:30:44 football, watching football practice moment. Nev Campbell, like, there's this really interesting exchange where, like, Fruza Balk says he comes onto anything with tits. And then Neff Campbell's character says, except me. Like, she's supposed to, like, feel, look, having, like, burns guards, that is major. But you would think they're, like, on her face? Yes. And I'm like, No, you're still hot. You just, like, and I totally get why her character would feel some sort of way about it. Sure. But it's like when, like, later in the movie, when like, you know, things are changed for her, it's like, oh, my God, whoa, she's so hot.
Starting point is 00:31:21 And I'm like, she's just wearing a tighter shirt. It's the same, it's the same exact look, except the shirt's a little tighter, there's a little more shoulder, and she washed her hair. Because that's the other thing. She's just got really grody, greasy hair. Greaseball. Two-thirds of the movie. off a sweater and that equals hot it's like taking off the glasses on
Starting point is 00:31:42 an attractive girl who's playing the nerd Neff Campbell with fucking burn scars what's that a 9.5 out of 10? Like what are we talking here? Please. That's a Milwaukee 20. No, I mean like she has already been picked up by like the hottest book reader
Starting point is 00:31:58 in that high school. Yeah, exactly. The guy who keeps on telling everybody how he's halfway through Moby Dick he has locked her down a long time ago. Yeah, she's in a serious relationship is my guess. Yeah, it's wild. They go to, they go shopping now because it's like, let's go, we get a five-finger discount. These are bad girls. These are so naughty. But here's the thing, here's the thing about this fucking horse shit, this five-finger discount. Like, okay, if you're
Starting point is 00:32:23 going to like a coconuts or an F.Y or whatever, you're going stealing fucking cassette tapes and CDs. That's your five-finger discount. You're going to a fucking witchcraft supply store and stealing from one of your own. Fuck this shit. But not only that. it's clear it's one of those stores and I hate these stores the second you go in it's not even a shoplifting thing like hi how can I help you no one's here how's it going you know what I mean like you are just being walked and talked that entire time so she deserves to be stolen from Steve that's what you're saying no no it's impossible to steal from that lady because she's looking at you the whole time unless you use magic but she knows these girls you know she knows these girls are up to no good you know magic store by the way reminded me very much Giles's little magic story it looks kind of the same too yeah I mean, because they all kind of do. Like, if you've been in them, like, you know, candles, it smells really good in there. You know, it's not the brightest of lighting, you know.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Not quite enough crystals. I know it's a, I would feel like I would be surrounded more by crystals in this situation. And this woman would definitely ask these girls to be part of a book group or some kind of breathwork class possibly. Oh, there is an over-stuck, a pinboard. Like, I'm not kidding you. Like, thick. with old, like, holes things, old concert
Starting point is 00:33:41 things. It is taking up most of that sidewall. Guitar lessons? Yes, please. Oh, my God. By the way, on the way to the shop, we get a little more about our lead character. Sarah here about the suicide attempt, which is punk rock, we're told. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Well, Carusa's very impressed that she slit down instead of a cross. I believe the line is like, you did it the right way or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That weirdly comes up in a lot of 90s movies. It comes up. I watched Bringing Out the Dead recently, and like, someone was like, no, no, no, I think it's Nick Cage. He's like,
Starting point is 00:34:15 you go down, you go down, you know. Like, they really wanted you to know how to fucking slit your wrist in the night. Totally. Kids, this is Nick Cage for suicide. Here's how you do it. Very strange. Let's go. Also, I get a movie for teen girls to be like, hey,
Starting point is 00:34:31 here's a great idea. Let's make sure they know how to do it. It's like, just in case you're also, incredibly depressed, which would make sense because you're a teenage girl. Here's how to get out of life. If only they could have staged a fake funeral, like in the great movie Empire Records to show her.
Starting point is 00:34:50 What a lawsuit. God damn it. But anyway, the big thing of this scene is the shopkeep gives her a book called The Craft. And she says, you know, she's like, well, I don't know anything about this, blah, blah, blah. And the lady's like, I got a feeling about you.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Maybe you're a natural witch. No, or a mutant. actually. I think that might be it. But I guarantee she says this natural witch to anyone that walks into that story. Yeah, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Oh, I sense your aura. Wow, you're, you might be too powerful for this book.
Starting point is 00:35:21 It's $299, by the way. You might be too powerful for it. I don't know if I should tell it to you. I'm sorry if I divert my gaze, but it's just the power is just too much. You know, you should this book and this book and this book and also this huge crystal. We should all have this. But here comes snake guy again.
Starting point is 00:35:39 He is nothing if not persistent. I love him. Hey, I know you. I have another snake for you. In my dream, you were dead. Thank you. Dude. Killer opening line, dude.
Starting point is 00:35:52 I cannot wait to chase a high school girl, y'all in that. Well, that's a classic, how do you open? In my dream, you were dead. That's how you opened, man. This would work on me. this is some primo excellent dummy work we have here
Starting point is 00:36:11 because this guy starts having to freak out and you start to glean like oh we're maybe using some witch powers here some witch influence and this dude runs out into the street and just gets popped by this truck and you see this dummy go under the wheel oh he went under the wheel dummy
Starting point is 00:36:27 under the wheels you see the head like like bounce and I was like this is cinema Listen, we already got the R rating. Let me see like a spray of blood. A little wetter. It could be a little wetter, I got to say.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Dry death for snake. Yeah, like, give me a little, like, squit. A little pop. That's all I need is a little pop. Maybe something really grisly on the soundtrack. That's fine. Good call, Chris. Those poor snakes, now they have no father.
Starting point is 00:36:55 They're orphans. Snake Daddy is dead. My baby! They killed Snake Daddy. we're orphans Batman's just watching them all from the side like wow oh their master's gone
Starting point is 00:37:12 oh wow I didn't kill this one no I didn't do this one sorry guys so they go to a little bit of a hideout here they're hanging out in the empty lot from they live it sort of looks like right across the street is like the church that Rowdy Roddy Piper is doing surveillance on in that movie
Starting point is 00:37:29 it's got a similar Donnie Darko we're shooting cans vibe you know what I mean Yep, exactly. And then this is where we learned about Manaw, who they worship, and they explain sort of like if God and the dis is, I thought this is actually kind of a cool line and actually sort of spelled out what they were trying to say pretty successfully.
Starting point is 00:37:52 They're basically like, if God and the devil were fighting one another, Manaw would be the stadium that they battled in, which is a pretty cool idea. Alternate idea, Manon is the devil with a beret on his head. Hello, it's Manon. Oh, my God. Is that what Mordecai's about? He's Manon.
Starting point is 00:38:15 So instead of goat legs, he's got frog legs? Uh-huh. And a mustache. It's weird, though. I mean, we're saying Manor. And she's like, him, him, him. Manol is a girl's name. Well, it's a made-up thing.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Excuse me? I understand, but Manaw is a French name given to little girls. But the witchcraft is very real, Steve, sorry. I'm aware. Yeah, okay. We sort of talk about like, can Mano tempt you with some chakrouterie? I like this version better. I would love some cheese and wine.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Would you sell yourself for some escargo? No, actually, I wouldn't. But maybe some nice orange. Worcesters. I could do that. Hi. Come on down to my nose. You, instead of a pitch fork, I've got that little escargo fork.
Starting point is 00:39:11 There you go. I'm barking you in the afterlife is a specialty fork to poke you in the afterlife. Don't be so surprised I smell this much like garlic. Now I want some fucking escargo. Hell yeah. so Sarah talks about you know like weird things that happen to me you know she says that she accidentally makes
Starting point is 00:39:37 pipes burst in her house and you know when she gets tired of hearing her parents fighting or whatever she makes herself go deaf for three days and things like that you can see the other three girls like oh she's the fucking real deal like if she's not lying to us she is the real deal because we can't do any of that shit
Starting point is 00:39:53 yeah this could also be the nudality code in Mortal Kombat though this is high school people make up shit all the fucking time. Oh, my God, all the time. That's all high school kids do. Make fun of adults and lie. I'll bring the spell in tomorrow. But then they have the hilarious.
Starting point is 00:40:11 They do the calling the spirit here. And it's just let Manaw fill you. Let Manor fill you right up. Fill me, Manor. Let Manor touch you in your spirit. I like this. Four pretty young girls for Manor. Manon needs a cigarette
Starting point is 00:40:33 Menon needs to sit down He's very tired So she then Sarah Because this is like I haven't chosen my friend group yet or whatever Sarah goes to hang out with Chris Hooker for a little bit here Big mistake And he's, dude, this is again Man Chris Hooker
Starting point is 00:40:53 You know what's gonna get this girl going Let's talk about phrenology a little bit. He's like, oh, he's like, oh, what's the deal with all these big-headed bitches at this school? And you're just like, dude, you think this is, oh, she's kissing you. Okay, well, it actually worked then, Chris Hooker. Good job. I was like, this is bargain basement ass flirting. Like, what?
Starting point is 00:41:17 He's not even like, you know, there can be like a certain, you know, when you're a teenager and you're like, oh, you know, this guy is saying. dumb shit, but he's kind of cute and charming. There's none of that charm. There's no... No. Where's the skate? The smile. Like, the ski o'erk smile, it's barely there. Like, it's just... Your friend's got a big head. It looks like a Saint Bernard, but you got a good one.
Starting point is 00:41:42 A good head for kissing. Maybe we can kiss. He's just reading racist texts with Christine Taylor and spout and spout and it back out at her. Like, I don't get it. You know, under that wig, you got a pretty head. Oh, I'm sorry. under your natural actual hair
Starting point is 00:41:57 which is very nice. Yes, they do start making out a little bit here. Chris's friends leave including Christine Taylor, so the two of them are all alone. He's like, oh, hey, my parents aren't home. Let's go back to my house. She doesn't want to. And of course because this guy's been an asshole
Starting point is 00:42:14 the entire time, even when he's faking it here, Sarah goes into school the next day, and he's already told everybody she's a terrible fucking lay, this, that, the other thing, and it's gone around. you know like wildfire uh fuck you nah
Starting point is 00:42:30 nah nah and then she's like getting choked up of course breck and myer again he needs to meet it on he goes if she's gonna cry I'm gonna cry and like he's doing like a fake like lady voice here and I'm like this guy needs to wake up covered in snakes like that's what this movie does
Starting point is 00:42:48 I've actually already fantasized last night about what his death would be oh please it's insane because this character needs to die and I think I agree like if it was a horror movie this is one of the dudes that would be like extra body count
Starting point is 00:43:02 but like you have so many scenes in the science class right just have one where it's like now you'll hook your gas line up to the Bunsen burner this way Breckenmeyer and then we use some witchcraft and all of a sudden there's flames
Starting point is 00:43:14 in this dude's face and it's fucking hereditary and he's on fire and it's awesome I just have him consumed by an anaconda like snake that's all you gotta do is get him right down the gullet It's Breckenmeyer. Garden Snake will do.
Starting point is 00:43:29 That's true. I mean, look. You want to excite people, though, Eric. I mean, that's how are you going to make that cinematic? Skeet Ulrich with the fucking the worst line here, because she's like, you know, why'd you lie about me, blah, blah, blah. And then he sort of like backs out to speak louder. And he is just like, please stop begging. It's pathetic.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I'm not going to go out with you. Yeah, Borafil over here. I love it. Yeah, great. We cut to swim practice, and this is the first instance of seeing Christine Taylor be a fucking huge piece of shit because Rochelle's up about to do a dive. And, like, she just screams shark and this poor girl fucking belly flops into the pool. I will say, I agree with you that she needs more, but I do appreciate that the movie puts a hat on it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:44:17 Yeah. I think a more cowardly movie would be like, you get it. Like, no, I kind of want, I kind of want to see this person actually be racist to do a piece of thing. Yeah, and she's racist. She says, like, she's, like, looking at her brush, like, after swimming, and they're, like, you know, just getting ready to go. And Christine Tamer's character is, like, is that a pubic hair? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Oh, no, that's just one of Rochelle's little nappy hairs. I was, like, a white person saying the word nappy. Ooh, I'm sorry. If I was Rochelle, I'd be like, oh, word. I was like, let me call it my black girl friends who go to other schools. We're jumping this bitch after school. Because you know, you know, if you put two black girls in a room,
Starting point is 00:45:05 this girl is going to like fold so quick. I love the phrase jumped. It's just one of the, it's something I was terrified of growing up in the Bronx. I was never jumped, but it was always the fear of being jumped. At any time. It could happen any time. Yeah, if you say, I think if, just saying the word nappy,
Starting point is 00:45:22 I feel like, oh, if there's a water glass, nearby, it starts boiling. Like things just like, it's just something's wrong. It's a curse in, if you're white and saying that. It's demonic. It's not good. It's like, you know, there's certain well, you don't, y'all don't know because you're white, but there's certain words
Starting point is 00:45:38 as a black person that are like these dog you're just like, oh, this is, they want to say the N word, but they know if they do this, like, such a line cross, so they'll like find other ways. Well, I know a few of those words. It's, it's woke, D-E-I. Yeah. Of course. Well, this line made me think of the most, I think, infamous public usage of it was that fucking rest and piss Don Imus when he was talking about, it was like a college basketball team or something.
Starting point is 00:46:07 He would call them nappy-headed hoes. Good God. On the radio, on the fucking radio. He got trouble in the late 1990s, which means a lot. Today he would get a medal of presidential medal of freedom. the ambassadors of entertainment he'd be one of them i think exactly with sly and the uh who's the other one yeah yeah johnny boy yeah oh man i feel like we're kind of like burying the worst one though because rachel like comes around the corner like they're at like you know mirrors that are like back-to-back or vanities or whatever
Starting point is 00:46:42 countertops and she comes around the corner and she's like why did you do that and dude i forgot that this line in the movie. And it's tough. Christine Taylor, goo. I think it's better to, I mean, she should also die, by the way, not just the hair thing. This is now you die.
Starting point is 00:47:00 She's driving her, like, daddy's car, the brakes don't work kind of a deal. Huge car explosion. We're gonna live forever. Wow. That would be so fucking great. Because, I mean, saying the,
Starting point is 00:47:13 like, she says negroid or something. Yes. You're like, damn, you're becoming an old school races but you're like like lost cause south nasty ass races and it's just like where the what the fuck is going on in your house at home oh dude yeah it's it's getting slug around the dinner table for sure this plus an old granny in the corner knitting saying that word over and over again she didn't fucking learn it watching v h1 i'll tell you that here here's my copy of the turner diaries you're going to want this and also here is the personal writings of ted nugent and here
Starting point is 00:47:49 Here's those for you, too. Merry Christmas, sweetheart. You know who'd never use that word, Manon? He would never use that word. He would never. He loves black people. I have much worse words. Everyone is welcome at Monon's.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Come on, everyone. I may be an evil devil villain, but I would never sling racist shit like that. So we get a little taste of what's going on in some of their lives here. Nev Campbell goes to the hospital. where Dr. Sue Ellen Mischke from Seinfeld is doing this experimental procedure on her scar tissue and this just looks like this lady's putting her under a fucking sewing machine like I don't know what this treatment is supposed to do
Starting point is 00:48:34 and the movie doesn't know either like Sue Ellen Mishke is just like so this is a super experimental treatment by the way it's going to hurt like a motherfucker and I don't know if it's going to work at all are you ready? Poking scars with needles to make little holes in it Then it falls off in a few weeks.
Starting point is 00:48:52 Manlo is going to get her in the New England Journal of Medicine, by the way, because this shit does not work, but dark magic saves her. She's like, look at my bullshit treatment. It worked. Yep. I'd like, you know, she's like screaming and Sue L. Mishki is like, oh, just a little bit longer, a little bit longer. And then the mother, who I kept thinking was the lady from sleepaway camp, but I don't think it is.
Starting point is 00:49:13 No, she just looks a lot like her. Yeah. But this mother just like, well, I don't know. No, and she's the doctor, and she said we should... And, like, this woman is just, like, suffering on this medical table. It's a very bizarre scene. They call it gene therapy. I don't know what that is.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck? What's going on in this hospital? Yeah, I feel like Franklin Gellis should be offering you a box at some point with this shit. Like, there's just too much demonic stuff. Like, I would like to see more of that.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Like, that's why the horror thing makes more sense is, like, get more into that. Get more images like that. It's like, this is way too much, like, yeah. we're shopping and we're having fun and we're having snacks we're just having some a sleepover here we're just going to have a sleep over and we're witches I do think that the girl hanging out stuff in the movie is pretty accurate I agree I mean you can tell a lot was cut out like they're watching be witch for a second I guarantee you it's a snappy snap 90s scene about talking about bewitched oh no because this wasn't written by Kevin
Starting point is 00:50:11 Williamson so that didn't happen that's true but like yeah they're just kind of hanging out like you know that they're talking behind their mother's back they're giggling it just it's very lived in in the in the like i don't know teenage space i i agree like i actually think it it gets a certain aspect of what it's like to feel like you found your girls as a teenage girl like this excitement this energy you know like you want to like push limits with each other um there should be more making out, though, between the Because that's like a big part of it. Yep, that's my, you know what?
Starting point is 00:50:49 Every time I turn it off this movie, I'm like, where was the kissing? If I had a letterbox in the year of 1996, it would be 10 out of 12 of my reviews. Why didn't they kiss? What the fuck am I doing here? The first reviewer to be banned from letterbox. Every review is like, why weren't they kissing? Another, I mean, another thing about like how this movie
Starting point is 00:51:12 it totally like kicks Rochelle to the curb, right? Because like we have this three quick scenes of their home life and I guess the edit thought like, well we just had Rochelle at swim practice and then Rochelle in the locker room so we don't need to see what her life is like but you have
Starting point is 00:51:28 like Nev outside of school doing something. You have you know Nancy, this is where we're introduced to her home life and she lives in the leaky trailer and the it's not a stepdad. It is just fucking mom's boyfriend. Big time
Starting point is 00:51:43 scumbag guy, mom's boyfriend This dude is from the breakfast club He's the janitor By the way Yeah, yeah, yeah I've seen him in a few things But like again, like When this guy does meet his maker
Starting point is 00:51:54 And he does And I just like How could you do that And not make it a big spectacle Like this is a common thing Throughout this movie Where I'm just like These are big moments
Starting point is 00:52:04 And you're just kind of like Yeah, that happened Well, there's got like Chris Farley fall over No, that also yes But, like, honestly, like, his actual heart explodes. Like, the chest explosion. I did appreciate the ambulance ride, though, and Fruzob's eyes, like, willing him to die.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Mm-hmm. So we have a thing where, like, come on, Sarah, we're going to take a field trip today. And before them cut class and get this bus ride going out to the outskirts of town or wherever. And I love this line right here. They get off the bus, and this fucking bus driver is like, oh, careful. ladies, there's all these weirdos out there and Nancy turns around and goes, we are the weirdos, mister.
Starting point is 00:52:47 It's a fucking awesome line that I believe is in the trailer. That sold so many rentals for weird girls. Like, thank you, someone said it. I went to saw this in the theater, probably because of that line. Ooh, nice. You remember much about the screening, packed house? I don't really remember much about the screening, but I do remember me and my brother going.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Right, right. I saw it with my dad very, I'm sure my dad was very entertained. Was he like Clifty Young at all during this? No, he was more of the, you know, a couple of rolling rocks into, so probably not paying too much attention.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Pure dad mode, I love it. Yes, yeah, you know, not paying too much attention to what's going on screen. And so we've got a thing going on now where we're doing a spell here, earth air, fire, and water. Here you go, Chris Cabin. Here's your fucking red wine, this blood cup.
Starting point is 00:53:40 let's all bleed into this cup and then put red wine in it That better not be from California That's not gonna get man on nothing It's gonna be from France And they all like make little requests For Menon And like again
Starting point is 00:53:58 Sarah being pathetic doesn't she put down a picture of Skeet Ulrich and it's like I know this is like kind of crazy And you know Nancy's like Girl like are you trying to tell me to go fuck myself? I don't know care if we do need her. She's out. I can't deal
Starting point is 00:54:14 with this. Like, this motherfucker is invading. I have to look at this fucker again. I know. It's not even like, I want warts on his dick, and I want him to bleed in the shower. Like, that's I want him to like me. Oh, get out of town. I want him, I want this, like,
Starting point is 00:54:30 whack version of Skid Ulrich to like me. I'm pathetic. My name's Sarah. I wear a wig. And I'm the lead, God damn. but this is where because the movie from here on out kind of becomes not entirely but it is a little bit
Starting point is 00:54:48 of a monkey's paw be careful what you wish for kind of shit so this is where the girls all make their individual wishes we're not calling them wishes but it's what we're doing the spell for and so yeah it's like I want Skeel Ulrich to love me Nev Campbell's like I want to be beautiful
Starting point is 00:55:05 uh Rochelle I think she wishes the thing about shitty racist Christine Taylor and then fucking Nancy taking it to the hole she's just like, I want the fucking power of a man all inside me, all of it, give me everything. All right, man. And someone's
Starting point is 00:55:20 just like, uh, okay. Well, that's a, uh, this is such fucking, uh, I wish for unlimited wishes. Like that's what this is. Like, it's such bullshit. Like, what's, I get out. Just fucking kick her out. Like, what's
Starting point is 00:55:36 the fucking point? She's lame anyway. It's like the thing that Some people do on Thanksgiving. Let's go around what we're thankful for. And a lot of people are like, oh, my job, my wife, or whatever. I'm just thankful for the people. And I'm like, come on, God damn it. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:55:50 Like, keep it to keep it within your life. Don't go big on me. So we go back to school here. They know that like the spell may have worked because some butterflies come down. They're like, oh, men all hurt us. Look at that. So we go back to school and here's Chris Hooker in French class. Looking back at Sarah repeatedly.
Starting point is 00:56:10 And this is when, I mean, like, we just did the movie Wish Spot. I forgot how much that movie was ripping off the craft. Because this actually, note for note happens in that movie. The love spell, yeah. I want him to, I want him to, you know, love me and blah, blah, blah, to the point where it turns violent later in the movie. And now he's just like what happens here. He's just following Sarah around this chapel and Breck and Myers scoring points of him,
Starting point is 00:56:37 calling him Stepford Boy. Uh-huh. It is a funny thing where, like, they make him walk into the church, you know, carrying their books, and it's like, oh, come on, come sit with us, man. What are you doing? And he's just, like, standing there frozen and just to be like, sit the fuck down. Like, he's such in, like, a weird zombie kind of mode. It's kind of funny. Make him stupid, Manon. Manon, Manon, make him an idiot. I can't turn water wet. What am I supposed to do that already happened? And you get a shot here, Farooza, Nancy, none too, please. She sees that Sarah's spell is clearly working. She has not been imbued with the powers of the Almighty, and she's very raw about it.
Starting point is 00:57:23 It's such an interesting seed. Rochelle says like a wild-ass line where she's like, you know, Nancy storms off. Because I think it's also the movie's trying to build, like, a jealousy that Nancy feels towards Sarah. Oh, yeah. you know why is manon like fucking you but he doesn't come and fuck me that's the energy but like rochelle says like they're like someone's like oh like what's up with nancy and rachel says i don't think she wants to be white trash anymore and i like told her you're white honey deal with it it's funny i was like this is actually a great this is hilarious
Starting point is 00:57:59 because it also it gives it gives her and again it's just kind of how people and friend groups talk shit behind these backs right you know what I mean? Like that's kind of what she's doing. It gives her more power of a character because I think the problem also later is like both Bonnie and Rochelle just become cheerleaders for Nancy. Exactly. It just kind of just robs them of any characterhood. It absolutely, it's one of the biggest problems I have with the script is like they lose all agency and they just become like her two like doting dunn's sidekicks. And you're like, okay, like I know Rochelle wasn't that greatly built of a character, but she was better than this 20 minutes.
Starting point is 00:58:36 minutes ago. So that turn that happens, I don't, I don't care for it. They turned it to Kathy and Jimmy and fucking Sarah Jessica Parker and, uh, uh, what's that movie? Pocus, Pocus. Thank you for you. Uh, so this is, uh, we get, the next scene is the Lotties of Feathers, Stiff as a Board bit here.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Classic sleepover maneuver. Is that right? You're doing a lot of lighties of feather sleep as stiff as a board scene? No, but I feel like that's something kids did, right? Yeah, like, we were all trying to do like spells and shit. Like, okay we're totally going to craft it up right here and it's like well that didn't happen and to the mad the you know the sort of making out point earlier in the movie fruzebalk says i love a woman in uniform and everyone's ears perk up like pardon me and then later in this scene they're like all right take your fingers and stick them here and then
Starting point is 00:59:27 yeah she does the hook and she goes stick them where and i'm like what it's going out of the sleepover excuse me the best part about that too is the way Bonnie and Rochelle react, which is I read it as that's not the first time she's made some kind of comment like that and they're like, oh man, here she
Starting point is 00:59:48 goes again with the fingering stuff. It's not happening. Someone tell her it's not going to happen. No, like, you know what? Let it happen, girls. Right. You know, like, I don't know what happened to men with fingering. It's like some fell off. Something's not happening at the men factory and
Starting point is 01:00:04 they're not learning how to finger Oh, the men factory? That place went out of business. We had to start a business together. Open to fingering school. Honestly, you would be helping so many people out. Because I'm like, like, for who's a bulk? I was like, yeah, that's technique.
Starting point is 01:00:21 She's letting them know, like, hey, if you want to, you know. There's like, come on down to digits where we'll teach you how to finger. You've heard of finishing schools. This is a fingering school. Which also can then result in finishing. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. headmaster, Dr. Manam.
Starting point is 01:00:42 Yes, he's French. Yeah, cut him putting on a giant latex glove. Oh, my God. So they do this and it works. Rochelle's, you know, they lift her up, but then she starts floating above the ground with no hands on her. And I really love, it's like when, um, you see someone usually in television and movies,
Starting point is 01:01:04 like, uh, get hypnotize. and it's that classic like it's not even working you know like she has that like she's floating fucking three feet off the floor and she's like guys this isn't even working and then the mom comes in and fucks it up and she falls on her back
Starting point is 01:01:20 hard are you girls getting high good lines for this moment yeah very nice honestly I kind of you know I know that it's these ladies you know they are focused because they are like in this moment I of course if this had happened to me
Starting point is 01:01:36 if a bunch of guys are doing this to me, I find out I'm floating. I'm screaming at the top of my lungs and I'm like slamming into the ground immediately. Like the fact that they can all keep that focus for so long, I was like, I don't know if teenagers would do that necessarily. But you know what? It's a nice image.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Let's go with it. Chris Cabin, total coward. I know. I was like, what a bitch baby. I think it'd be pretty cool. It would be. I'd love it. We get a little montage of them, you know, sort of hanging, getting closer.
Starting point is 01:02:09 It ends with, oh, it's all two letters to Cleo doing Dangerous type, by the way. The montage ends with Sarah walking down the hall and ripping part of, by the way, Christine Taylor's character's name is Laura Lizzie. Got it. We rip off a piece of Laura Lizzie's hair here, and she's like, ow! And it's a great, like, sorry, I thought I saw a bug. Which is great. and then it cuts immediately to Sarah tying her hair
Starting point is 01:02:37 into Rochelle's hair while Bonnie's doing this like Take My Scars chant like trying to bring home her thing here but then we get to swim class uh oh Christine Taylor uh oh uh oh hair starts falling out yeah that's what happens
Starting point is 01:02:53 That is actually what happens White people listen up You know what you say the N word Some weird ass physical shit's gonna happen It's literally our black-ass ancestors being like, what you get? Sorry. And then immediately the coach will be like, oh, she has athletic talent. Weird.
Starting point is 01:03:10 I had her on the team. I don't know why, but now I see. Okay, okay, she's good. Great. That's why I feel like there has to be all of this deleted Rochelle shit where she becomes like the swim team superstar because Christine Taylor's hair starts falling out like on the bench and she's freaking out or whatever. The fucking coach does come over like, all right, let me see.
Starting point is 01:03:29 It ain't that bad. then Rochelle does like a perfect dive and you see the guy like say as in like cool new prospect here for the team that's the last that's the last fucking dive of the movie
Starting point is 01:03:42 ladies and gentlemen they could have led up to some big match she could have done the triple Lindy and yeah that's what you got to do baby man on will get you to qualify for the Lebex man on will get you to qualify for the Rodney Dangerfield movie remake
Starting point is 01:03:58 I wish I love a good triple Lindy, man. They should put, triple Lindy should be in the Olympics. Like, let's get the triple Lindy. Yeah. You know. That's hard. Just jumping into the water.
Starting point is 01:04:10 That's easy. Triple Lindy. I got a gold medal in the triple Lindy at the Olympics. How cool is that? So then Bonnie, of course, goes to the doctor. We're getting the bandages removed here. And this is, yeah, they just scrape off perfectly. Sue Ellen Mishki, like, can't even believe it.
Starting point is 01:04:30 She's like, boy I knew for a fact that wasn't going to work but it's working are you trying to take my money or something is this a scheme is this a scheme did I get did I trap are you guys pulling the wool of my eyes what's going on here this never that was fake what I did was just fake this just like this doesn't make any sense I just wanted to torture teenage girls so I said that I could do this yeah this whole clinic is a total con I built that syringe machine that shoots it into your back I built that in my garage I did the doctors don't make these things it was really It was rusty. It was rusty. It's an old tattoo needle. There's no blood. There's no even no blood. It's just coming. All right. All right. So these all come quick. So like Bonnie's back, you know, is totally cleared.
Starting point is 01:05:15 You know, she goes back into school. All the boys, this is the jaw dropping. Oh, she looks the same, but I guess not. She's an F. Campbell now? Quick objection here as someone who went to Catholic school for 12, 13 years. These are not uniforms. and it bothers me because they're allowed to wear
Starting point is 01:05:32 like t-shirts sometimes. It's fake. Exactly. Like you need to have like it's the uniform is uniform you understand and you're not allowed
Starting point is 01:05:41 to just kind of wear like just white the skirt it's kind of have like you know stuff to it. Anyways, that's all. Yeah, it's got to have stuff to it for sure. It does indeed. Everyone wears the same button shirt.
Starting point is 01:05:53 Yeah, every day hence it's a uniform hence the crippling nature of Catholic school I am. Precisely. But there is always, like, the casual, there's always casual kid, though. In these movies and television shows,
Starting point is 01:06:09 there's always casual girl, casual guy. That gets you detention. I got fucking yelled at for wearing jeans on Dressdown Day, for fuck's sake. Really? Wait, wait, what would have been appropriate on Dressdown Day if not jeans? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Not jeans, not jeans, khakis, apparently. I'm like, Christ, wait, what, cackies? And then what, a different color button down? Exactly. Could you, could they be? be baggy at least? Yeah, yeah, they weren't too worried about it.
Starting point is 01:06:34 Oh, okay. The tightness, you understand. Okay. That's actually, you just made me think, though, Steve, that's actually a funny thing from the beginning of the movie. I guess you know right away that this school has a lax policy because the first day of school, like, Cliff DeYoung's driving her and he's like, hey, like, we just moved in. Like, don't you want to, like, at least wait until your uniform gets delivered before you go into school?
Starting point is 01:06:55 And she's like, no, it's fine. And, like, she, no detention there. She goes right in. Absolutely. no way no fucking way this is the this is the line though when uh because nancy's pissed off about all the boys you know
Starting point is 01:07:07 ogling Bonnie and this is the I think she wished not to be white trash yes which we go home I mean immediately like the hits keep on coming we go home the boyfriend's being a fucking scumbag you know and then he starts getting rough oh he starts looking
Starting point is 01:07:24 like he's touching yeah touching like her her robe or whatever and trying to get a look at the daughter And then it's like, I'm not her father. The father's the one who paid 50 bucks for a quick bang in the back seat. Yeah. Wow. And the mother's like, I'll leave her alone.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Why don't you? As opposed to like getting out of the house. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, Farooza, Nancy. There we go. So then Nancy just kind of gives the old fucking evil eye. And this dude has to take a seat from all the young.
Starting point is 01:08:00 because his heart is exploding inside his chest. And now is it because she attacked his heart or the microwave explodes and that man, I know a man that's reliant on the microwave and this guy looks like it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's a hungry man. That man has had hungry man's
Starting point is 01:08:16 every day of his life. Oh, I better die. Where else am I going to eat up my burritos now? Exactly. Better die. Heart attack yourself. Please. Thank you. I really did like that. much like trailer trash Roger Klotz and the brought back version of Doug
Starting point is 01:08:34 where he was rich for no reason Hank had an insurance policy here 175K that he I guess left to this woman that's very surprising that they're entitled to this money that is surprising but all I kept thinking especially as they like two seconds later
Starting point is 01:08:53 are starting to blow all this money I was like yes it's not going to last that long Like, I was like, I know that's like a step up, but like, you all still need to get like jobs. Like you can't. I was like, what? You're forgetting that we don't have, like now we have the articles where they're like, if you're going to win the lotto, don't do this. Or if like, if you do get hair, it's like, this was all from aggregate. At the point, that point, we didn't know about all this shit.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Like people were just spending all their money immediately. And like, 175,000. It's not even that much. That's not jukebox money No way She's got this jukebox That's an expensive piece A vintage piece
Starting point is 01:09:33 Here's the thing It's 100% Jukebox money If you're not buying a fucking Pennhouse apartment To put it in It has to be a rental You can do one of the other
Starting point is 01:09:44 You just inherited $175,000 You can get $500 and buy a real nice jukebox But this fucking apartment is wild I did the inflation calculator today, that'd be 350 grand.
Starting point is 01:10:00 It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money, yes. But not again, like, yes, like, I mean, like, yeah, if you, I guess you could just buy the jukebox and put it in their rain camper. And that's it. Yeah. But I really, I doubt you could get this apartment.
Starting point is 01:10:13 It has to be a rental. But then the Connie Francis jukebox, this is, this is a custom thing. Yeah, that's, you're shaving, you're shaving, you know, two bills off already, you know? Yeah. I'm like, there's no, I was, I was like, no, invest, like, pay off your debt, put the rest in savings, and then, like, find a decent apartment to rent.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Sure. Or just get a fucking, buy a modest ranch outside the city limits. How about that? You know, a little ranch style split-level house or something? But I do, I would also be surprised, because we get two scenes with this guy, and I would assume whatever money he had was going to his favorite gun salesman. that's where all that was being shipped to but yeah he's he's dead they have all the girls over
Starting point is 01:11:00 and this is where we get the glamour thing right yeah before we get to that because we I just want to call out in this apartment because like it's a huge like penthouse like all that stuff
Starting point is 01:11:15 there's like not that much furniture in it yet but there is the ugliest fucking couch I've ever seen in my life it's bad Dude, it's awful. And of course then, the mother is like, well, look at this awesome couch I bought. And you're like, yeah, you bought it, didn't you?
Starting point is 01:11:33 Oh, my God. I have to go back and watch the movie again to see this couch. I forgot it. It's one of those swirling ones that it looks really uncomfortable, almost like a daybed, more of a day bed than a couch, I would say. Okay. But I do love the mother. It's just like, are we having a housewoman party?
Starting point is 01:11:49 And they slam the door on her face. That's how you do it. That's how you do it. But yes, this is talking about doing glamour spells and Sarah changes her eye color. She's like, my eyes are brown. See? They're normally green. And they're like, that's not very impressive.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Contest can do that. Yeah, she changes her hair color here. A lot of, I feel this is probably a lot of special effects technology used just a few years later for Mystique in the first X-Bend. Sure, yeah. This very much has the vibe of. of a mystique kind of move. But once you're, why not just change out the wig? It's fake already.
Starting point is 01:12:27 Why color the wig and post? Yeah, I thought that was stupid. Well, because you have to do the smooth, you know, it's an effect shot. So you got to. Sure, sure. But you know, after the effect, like after you put your hands over at Tacoma, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then it turns into real hair, maybe. There's also a great line here where one of the girls says, you look like Lonnie Anderson.
Starting point is 01:12:50 Yeah. Which a lot of kids don't know. His kids in 96 might have, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. WKRP, possibly. Sure.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Or he just followed the saga with her and Burt, man. I knew what was up. Also, Lonnie Anderson, famous wig wearer, ladies and gentlemen. Maybe that's what we're talking about. Possibly. Oh, yeah. Oh, that could be. And then Farooza here.
Starting point is 01:13:12 I wonder about this Farooza line because. Oh, yeah. I wonder if it's the same line I'm thinking of. I wish for a smaller ass. We got to talk about it. We got to talk about it. there was okay I don't think the kids know but like in the 90s in early 2000s white women were so afraid to have any
Starting point is 01:13:31 ass any ass yeah yeah right they did not want ass and it's like black people were like the fuck going on over there like ass is great like what I thought no no needs my back sides need to look like a fucking chalkboard yeah Hank Hill style and not to be rude but like for his a box a really small girl Like, she doesn't really have an ass to be quite... That's literally what I was thinking because you see, like, when they first get into the, like,
Starting point is 01:13:59 pin house, the mom, like, slaps her ass because she's so excited. And I'm like, there's, like, nothing there, Frusa. Like, you're fine. You don't, you want a smaller ass, but there's no ass to make smaller. I love for us, but I'm just like, like, what are we talking about? That's even too tall or other for me, but no, I can make that ass and it's smaller. Your legs would fall off. It's interesting though
Starting point is 01:14:23 Because what I thought of in the moment Because she says the line And then like She laughs in a way That doesn't seem like Nancy laughing It seems like Farooza laughing And they all kind of laugh about it And that's why I brought it up
Starting point is 01:14:36 I wondered if it was an ad lib That she did And they kept it Because the way she laughs It's not Nancy at all It seems like it's a break And they just left it in Because it was a good adlib
Starting point is 01:14:48 And a good take there so Sarah wakes up a little later back home Chris Hooker just screaming outside her window like a fucking psychopath 3 in the morning Let's move in together at 3 a.m. Let's move in together We're fucking 17 years old
Starting point is 01:15:06 What are you talking about? And then my hero Clifty Young Oh yeah You shine that flashlight in that asshole's face Can I help you? I'm sorry this guy This is a coward He should have done like he did the snake
Starting point is 01:15:19 right now. Oh, yeah. You know what? Because that's, you know what? Because otherwise, your daughter might be going to jail,
Starting point is 01:15:25 buddy. Because if you had just done it here and killed him with the broom, we'd be fine. Yes, of course. We'd be fine. So, yeah,
Starting point is 01:15:36 he's shooed away or whatever. We go back to the magic store and this is where, you know, the ladies telling him, you know, true magic is neither black nor white,
Starting point is 01:15:46 yada, yada, this is the whatever spells you put out, whatever you do to people, it comes back to you threefold. We get that warning here. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Oh, no. Yeah. You should have read the fine print from my dog. That was information that would have been helpful to me yesterday. Damn right.
Starting point is 01:16:08 But Nancy buys the big dangerous book called Invoking the Spirit. And I feel like this shop keeps got to be like, sorry, this book is 21 plus. Or like just whatever. bullshit excuse, put it back behind a counter, you know. There's a little gate behind it where you put like which penthouse
Starting point is 01:16:25 and which playboy and all that stuff and then you put it back there with that stuff with another couple books. I'm sure like, there's probably like here speaking to demons you know, very, in three easy steps. Yeah, you don't want that. That's the first person. This is the first sale she made all day. She needs that money.
Starting point is 01:16:42 She's sweating that 2199. The store's about to close. There's no one's shopping here. It was never a I'm living in L.A. Steve, you just remember you think how fucking hilarious it's like you're selling this like bound in human fresh and written in human blood,
Starting point is 01:16:59 evil book. $21.99, please. Cash your card. I'll take a, yeah, Necronomica S. Mortis, please. Oh, yeah, $29.99. Oh, that's a little steep but I'll pay it. I'll pay it. It's buy one, get one. So you can go back. Get another evil book. Is this the second
Starting point is 01:17:15 printing? The soft cover? Okay, yeah. Yeah, let me get the summoning. A couple of Haunted Blood Daggers, 15 coffees for the crew back there, some Amityville juice. You want one, too? You had three Amityville juices. What's that magazine back there behind the counter covered in a paper bag? What's it? Oh, which jugs monthly? Yes, give me a copy of that. Oh, the Charles Manson record you have behind the registers.
Starting point is 01:17:41 Oh, wow. Oh, how to haunt children? Oh, I'm going to need this. This one's definitely going on top. So they go to the beach to do the big spell And we see everyone is carrying An animal here So we got a goldfish, a bird A butterfly and a snake And we got Matthew Sweet on the fucking radio
Starting point is 01:18:01 Hell yeah Now we're doing it, dude That's right God damn right So Sarah talks here It comes important later But Sarah is talking here about You know
Starting point is 01:18:12 In the lead up to her suicide attempt um you know she felt that she was sort of losing her mind going crazy she was seeing things she says when i close my eyes i would see things of bugs and snakes and when i open my eyes they would still be there in front of me so just you know ammo for later when you know turn on her we know exactly how to totally fuck with her i mean it's supposed to be an important scene because like clearly for like for all of her talk about like the the sisterhood of witches and all that stuff like she doesn't listen to to her at all. Like, clearly for his book
Starting point is 01:18:48 is like, oh, I don't fucking care. Like, I'm just about I need to get man on in me. That's what I need to be doing. I got to be focusing on that. I can't be dealing with your shit. It's a decent lesson, though, for everybody. Be careful what you tell people in high school. That you don't know the back at you. Be careful what you tell
Starting point is 01:19:04 anybody, period. Period. Yeah. You don't be telling people your business. Be careful. I'll trust it both. Keep your head down. You want that sweet, sweet, doctor-patient confidentiality. Or maybe a lawyer, you know, get that going on.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Otherwise, your friends might call the corners on you and totally fuck with you later. They do the cool spell here, calling the corners, which is why they needed fourth for this, because it's a north, south, east, and west thing. And it ends with Nancy getting struck by lightning. This is a pretty great effect, I have to say. This is all pretty thrilling. I like this scene. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Oh, she's not dead. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, get up. get up we should get up yeah that that that's good wow you're not dead huh and this is it's a little bit of a bad edit here because like we just wake up and you know they're all like sleeping on the beach and i think it's rachel sort of looks out like what the fuck and then like you finally see and it's a it's a cool enough it's still the effect shot still holds up it's not great but it's still pretty cool foruz is like walking on water coming in from you know the ocean pretty strong sweet. You don't have too many drinks one night.
Starting point is 01:20:18 Your buddy wakes up. Your buddy's walking on water. You're like, oh, dude. That's the first night after tequila. After your first tequila, that's, yeah, that's it, brother. But, like, you need to show, like, immediately, like, the aftermath of a girl being struck by lightning. I know. Like, chances can be the next day.
Starting point is 01:20:37 Yeah, it's like, come on, you need to give us a beat with some fun weirdness or something. Maybe she has raiden eyes, like lightning eyes. for a second, that'd be kind of cool. Sure. I mean, or just show them all just getting knocked unconscious by it. Because the fact that like hours just past, the sun's fucking up. Like, yeah, it's just, it's a bad edit.
Starting point is 01:20:56 It's just smoke perpetually billowing from her head for the rest of the movie. Exactly. So, yeah, she's walking on water. I can feel him running through my veins, Nancy says. He's in me. It's like, girl, what's the fuck? Calm down. It's going on fair. Also,
Starting point is 01:21:13 you'll get a little clingy. I thought she was kind of acting come drunk, but like magic. Oh, nice. I like it. Yeah. I can see that. Yep. I totally buy that.
Starting point is 01:21:25 And then like in a thing that kind of goes nowhere. There's all these like beached sharks coming up on the shore here. And they're like, what the fuck? And there's like all these people on the beach already. So it's kind of amazing that none of those people saw the girl walking on water through a second ago. And then yelling, this is a gift. These are my gifts. Hands off my gifts.
Starting point is 01:21:49 Oh, dude. Yeah, just like caressing this dead shark. This is my gift. Nancy's whale. She should take a bite out of it. Nancy, they probably were thinking, she's having a nice morning paddle board. That's nice.
Starting point is 01:22:00 I would like someone who's good at editing stuff. Just show that scene. And then edited Larry David from Seinfeld yelling, is anyone here a marine biologist? Absolutely. She just says I am your daughter now A great crazy line
Starting point is 01:22:24 She very much turns Into like Renfield It's very much a Renfield kind of vibe here And now this fruze the bulk off the chain Which is what we want We paid a ticket for you know Absolutely absolutely She's driving this car way too fast
Starting point is 01:22:41 Running all these well not running red lights but really sort of risking it. I guess using magic to know when they're going to turn green and whatever. And Sarah's like, you know, maybe we should stop all this advanced level crafting here. What were those being like kids not knowing the repercussions of our actions? And it's great because this shows you why this movie kind of falls apart at this point. Not only because it's not a horror movie because she goes to Rochelle. She's like, you know, because what happened to Stacey is kind of fucked up?
Starting point is 01:23:09 And like she goes to Bonnie and is like, and you've become so conceited. I'm like, when? I've not, like, she's just wearing nice shirts now. Yep, no, look at that. Nice shirt, you stuck up, bitch. I fucking knew it, Bonnie. Preferred it when you hated yourself. Exactly, like, you need to see her, like, I don't even know.
Starting point is 01:23:27 Like, find a way to show me that before that scene. You know what I mean? I liked you a lot better when you looked exactly like Freddie Kruger. So we get back to the fucking locker room, man. We go back to the locker room. And this is Christine Taylor. like sitting on the floor of the shower looking a lot like young Jason
Starting point is 01:23:46 Borges now by the way this wispy like nothing left and she goes what did I do to deserve this and Rochelle you're right there you gotta be like because you were a fucking racist C word like that's why that's why this is happening to you
Starting point is 01:24:02 but she just sort of looks like aw and just walks away weak tea no yeah no thank you like I like come on like she just points at herself come on Come on, you know, come on. You said something that rhymed with Metroid, but it was a lot worse. Yeah, it's like, it's almost like the movie wants us to feel bad for Christine Taylor's character.
Starting point is 01:24:25 And that is like, I actually like agree with you, Steve. Like, I'm glad they make it a point that, yeah, this girl is racist. And like, that is like, you know, has some interesting aspects to it. But when it gets here and it's like, God, but like her hair. like oh my god it's so fucked up rachel like do this and it's like no actually that's like you should go to like black hell where you like being like tortured by like you know black people were just showing up like oh this this girl raised oh let's fuck her up she just perpetually jumped for eternity can i get it can i get that scene can we get that scene in here that that would
Starting point is 01:25:03 that would be really nice i mean that's just they want you to think that it's good that She feels bad for her. That, I think, is the big emotion they want. It's more, like, Christine Taylor doesn't even matter. It's just that, like, oh, she cares. But then, like, of course, Fruza-Bulk takes over everything and her character goes away. It's like a thing of, like, everyone's realizing, oh, this spells went a little far or whatever. But that's what's so funny about, like, how the two of them turn on a dime and just become her stooges, right?
Starting point is 01:25:34 Because you have this scene where instead of her being, like, it's happening because you're racist, she feels bad. about it but then like fucking 15 minutes later she's like antagonizing uh robin tony and torturing her and you're just like what what where was the feeling bad where did that go you can see the chop job to get this movie down to a buck 40 which i appreciate honestly like but there's a scene when that we're at the house where they're like try to stop uh nancy and chris i'm just jumping ahead because it's a three second cut because like you see stacey or whatever her name is with the wig and rachel goes to her and she's like stacey and then they just cut to the bedroom and i'm like, no, that's a whole fucking scene
Starting point is 01:26:11 that fulfilled a plot point that I need to have. You're totally right. I forgot about that. That's a, it's a very telling edit. You're absolutely correct. So we get the scene where Sarah, and again, it's shit we don't really see, but she's hanging out in a car with Chris Hooker again.
Starting point is 01:26:27 And she's like, I just can't believe the girls have turned on me. And I was like, since the beach? Like, did I miss something? What happened? Yes. But then this is, of course, you know, she starts trying to lay it out like, hey, Chris, like, why do you you like me and he's like you know I just woke up one day and I just couldn't stop
Starting point is 01:26:43 thinking about you and she's like yeah but do you ever think why that happened like it's kind of funny because if it eventually got to where she wants to take it it's like do you ever think maybe someone cast a spell on you Chris? Like and it doesn't get there though because he winds up trying to fucking rape her in this car
Starting point is 01:26:59 it is so intense and it's like the movie gets so muddled like here on out about like what it's actually trying to say with some of this shit because it's like, okay, he has a spell put on him, so he's, like, obsessive. Then he tries to rape, you know, rape this girl. And then it's more like, this isn't kind of bad, like, how Nancy is, like, really fucking would be.
Starting point is 01:27:23 And it's like, what are we trying to say here? Because this is, like, it's already kind of weird to make him rapey because it's under a spell. Like, the movie doesn't have. That's, like, really weird. Yeah, it's like, the movie doesn't have the juice and understanding to actually handle. anything like in the ballpark of that so it just feels like really jarring and like weird you know it's kind of funny because you just made me realize that uh the film wish upon actually does that one detail a little better because she joey king says something in the wish about like yeah i wish that
Starting point is 01:27:56 he liked me like no matter what or you know whatever it takes it's something like that which sort of then be you know the the verbiage there it's like okay well you could sort of then see why this guy under the spell of the wishbox takes it to the next level. But like, you know, Sarah doesn't fucking wish for any of that. Yeah, she wants him to... And it's just sort of weird, like... Again, that's the move.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Just go to a horror place. Make it a horror thing where, like... Exactly. Make it spooky scary. Make him, like, kind of creepy, and then oops, somebody cuts his fucking head off or whatever. You know what I mean? At least we get a kick in the nerds.
Starting point is 01:28:32 At least we got... It's a good, solid kick in the nuts. Dude, it's fucking great. Love that. He gets definitely Billy Lumacy here. like when he's yelling for her I'm like oh it's Billy Lubis Yeah maybe you put a fucking knife in his hand
Starting point is 01:28:44 Dude it would be yeah exactly But so she runs to Rochelle's house And then this is what's funny is because She has just said to Chris Hooker Yes The girls have all turned their back on me or whatever And I guess it's like because he did this or whatever But Ferruza is just right there
Starting point is 01:29:00 Like I'm gonna go play And like she goes to the party But I was like If you hate this girl like Why are you so hyped to do this? I don't know it's all a little not great right here she wants to kill Chris Hooker generally
Starting point is 01:29:13 I think that was on the list and that was on the list and yeah worthy goal well it's so much like the the third act of scream here there's a party at Trey's house Trey and so this is
Starting point is 01:29:28 she lures Chris into the bedroom here you know and we have already you know she said the line earlier about like he gave her VD or something she can speak from experience and we know that they've like hooked
Starting point is 01:29:39 up or whatever and she's like you this is kind of funny because this is a character like this is like a at least 40 to 50 year old character line like you and me have had some pretty good times together Chris Hooker like again you are 17 years old you don't talk like that I've gotten
Starting point is 01:29:57 blackout drunk before oh what? What? Are you right now are you blacked out? We'll find out tomorrow when I don't remember this but the fact that this guy like he's like hook it up like Fruselbach is throwing herself at him
Starting point is 01:30:12 he's like no no no I'm in love with Robin Tini and then she does the mystique thing and turns into a different person and he's like hey cool I'd be like I'd run for the fucking hills drunk out of my mind like you're not Chris Hooker though you're not Chris Hooker you're not empty
Starting point is 01:30:29 inside there Stephen everybody's drunk blackouts are different dude you know I get blackout drunk I take my shirt off in a cab and then into a 7-Eleven when the driver kicks me out of the car. So, you know, these kind of things. You never
Starting point is 01:30:44 know, Steve. You never know. But it's great because I forget what Faruza says right here, like something about like, you know, don't you want me, want to hook up or whatever it is? And he's like, not to get my dick bitten off. Because she's like,
Starting point is 01:31:00 that's what is. She's like ready to go down on him or whatever. And she's like kind of touching the top of the pants there. And he's like, not getting my dick bit off by you. And then this is she does the glamour and turns into Sarah and just does make love to me, Chris. She should have turned into Snake Guy instead. That would have been great. That would have been show hilarious.
Starting point is 01:31:20 Make love to me, Chris. Yeah. Snake guy unzips his pants there and a snake comes in. I brought a house a snake, dude. I brought a snake for you. I have this snake is for you. Make love to me. Oh, this is so great.
Starting point is 01:31:36 This is great. You were dead in my dream last night. shit. It's like, it's kind of crazy, though, that she does this. Because I was like, oh, this is like catfishing to a degree that may be
Starting point is 01:31:51 this is like disturbing. And also you can kind of look at what she's doing is a little rapy. So it's like a weird juxtaposition after, I don't know. It is a magic induced thing that happens at the end of Revenge of the Nerd. She wasn't like a Darth Vader
Starting point is 01:32:08 costume. Yeah, like, she she's just wearing a Robin Tunny costume and then she goes, uh, uh, it's fucking weird. Oy, babe. But then the gals come because they want to stop what's going on again.
Starting point is 01:32:24 The quick, Michelle's scene, it's like, it's such an amazing, Stacey, yes, cut. And then Robin Tini runs into the bedroom and it's like, you know, you've made your point, Nancy, etc. He's got a It's just, it's so wild
Starting point is 01:32:40 Cause Robin Tuny like walks in and she like sees herself basically fucking this dude And then like you see Farooza I would I would dwell on that for like maybe a second longer I'd be like wait so you're Oh okay Yeah That's like actually really fucked out Oh yeah
Starting point is 01:33:00 Oh I think that's probably main reason why Nancy tries to kill her at the end Because you can't have that getting out Oh no you can't You cannot imagine like your nemesis being like yeah so she like became me and fucked a guy does she want to fuck me oh my god i think she wants to fuck me this is this is the harry potter i want that's the harry potter you want the teenage years where they're just like oh man and she pretended to be me in the in the bedroom with harry last night oh my god she's
Starting point is 01:33:31 disgusting it was so fucked up hermione it was like the end of that movie revenge of the nerd Harry Potter What a Dude I'm promising to not watch a second of that fucking Oh hell I'm sorry no I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck it
Starting point is 01:33:50 I never like got super into Harry Potter Like I read like the first few books But like it wasn't really my thing Sure But like at this point I feel like supporting anything Harry Potter Is like you're like okay with transphobia I'm sorry you Harry Potter
Starting point is 01:34:05 Boring ass bitches who like got little lightning bolt tattoos and you like love it. Because you're actually even taking it one step further by supporting the new thing. Exactly. Those movies are my movies.
Starting point is 01:34:16 You know, sure, we've all got that. But to be like, I'm watching this new thing and every day this woman is saying the most heinous shit possible. I'm so happy that I always hated it. I don't know why. For some reason, I disliked it when it came out and I was a kid and no one understood me
Starting point is 01:34:33 and why. But look at this. I knew, somehow I knew, was attached to it. You knew Robocop was the true way, and it always is. Thank you. So, so much like, much like J.K. Rowling talking to a trans woman, Nancy goes to Chris Hooker, you don't exist.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Yeah. And I love, I love the shot, dude, of Farooza's boots, the toes of her boots, just dragging on the floor while she floats by. It's creepy and weird. And you're, like, moments like that make you think, oh, like, Like this movie is just like a few steps away from actually like really doing what it needs to do. Like that's such a like effective image, you know. And she does that he's sorry thing. She's super Canadian kind of.
Starting point is 01:35:20 She's like, he's sorry, sorry. It's like shaking his head and scream it. It's like it's creepy. It's a fucking horror moment. You know what I mean? It works. And the thing about the boot shot too that I love, all of that is just like really simple, practical filmmaking. And it's to me that shot of her.
Starting point is 01:35:37 toes dragging across the floor is way more effective than the end of the movie, but the three of them are terribly floating in Sarah's living room? Yeah. It's like menacing, but like the effect does not work at all. Can I sell you on some snake hands? What about snake hands?
Starting point is 01:35:54 Is that going to do anything for you? I don't know about snake hands, dude. No, thank you. But like, man, you pushes, I mean, mind pushes him out of window. And how hard is it just to show him getting impaled
Starting point is 01:36:10 on a gate. How hard? Yes. How hard? That's, you got the R, dude. Let's see it. Let's do it. That's it. I don't need him to explode. That'd be nice. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it. But that's all you got to give me is that and I'm fine. But no, can't do that. No, cut. I get it's a POV shot, right? Because you go out the window with him. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like the cheapest way to do that is you fake throw a camera out of a window and like, then you don't have to film anything happening. Wait, Cody, you actually threw the camera out of the window.
Starting point is 01:36:42 God damn it, Cody. Cody! And there's some, like, deleted scenes, end-door, because it's, like, we cut to, like, Clifty Young, like, helping his daughter through this. It's like, we talk to the police, you're going to be fine. I'm like, what police? What happened? Dude, zero police presence in this movie, and it's kind of crazy, actually.
Starting point is 01:37:00 Like, the heat coming down is another thing of, like, you know, Nancy, we got to stop doing these spells like the cops are on to us or whatever but like there is not a single dude dressed like a police officer in this movie it's very surprising actually there is at the school in the background because schools have like school oh school security guy or whatever school cop
Starting point is 01:37:20 fake cop bitch ass but it's so funny in this scene because like Robin Tuni says I think he was a good guy underneath it all and I was like where bitch what the fuck are you talking about but she has a great
Starting point is 01:37:37 teenager line where her dad's trying to comfort her and she said don't touch me everything i touch turns to shit yeah now that is real depression right there that's what i'm looking at right there that sounds it'd been awesome that if uh cliff de young instantly turned into a pile of feces oh my god that'd be hilarious what is happening to me you don't know he was so sweet to me he once compared you to a saint bernard and it was really funny Sarah has a dream that they'll fly into a room and strangle her to death which helps out
Starting point is 01:38:13 it's only because we need to reference it later to tell you that they're fucking with her dreams as well because we have classic getting bullied in the bathroom scene been there baby oh yeah she quits the circle and then it's like why don't you think about leaving school or the town or the planet
Starting point is 01:38:34 I think she has already tried to do the binding Spell because I think this is what for us, like, you know, in the old days, when someone tried to do something that gets to come a dead killer. Bye. I love her bye. She's like, bye. And it's like, damn, bitch. She's like, I hope you die.
Starting point is 01:38:50 I will kill you myself. And then after the bye is when Bonnie Nev Campbell is like something like, you know, seeing your dreams or something like that. And you're like, oh, the thing from before. Oh, got it. So we go back to the bookstore, but Sarah is. is solo here and she's like, listen, this Nancy,
Starting point is 01:39:10 you know, she's got man all fucking toes to tits inside of her. She's inside my head. And then this is where they've been, the girls have been shooed away from the back room once before. But she's like, this shopkeep is like, okay, now you're like,
Starting point is 01:39:28 coven is turned on you. So we can bring back the curtain and you can see what's back here. Here's the porn. Here's all the porn. behind these saloon doors is where the rest of the store is and this kind of
Starting point is 01:39:41 it's a little bit of a buffy vibe because it's like kind of a hell mouth and again not a lot of detail here you want to get in and out of this bookstore as fast as possible but she's like
Starting point is 01:39:52 oh yes the back room of the shop yes this is like ground zero for this very magical powerful part of the world and I'm like so it's a hell mouth you built your fucking thing
Starting point is 01:40:03 and all right oh by the way your mom was a witch too I don't know. I just know that. I don't know. Your father helped me like that too. Star Fox dialogue. Why not? I like this candle effect here.
Starting point is 01:40:16 They go into the back room and this shopkeep Lirio is the character's name. She lights one candle and then all of them come lit at the same time. I thought that's kind of neat. I want to be able to do that. That'd be great. And she's about to get the superpower, but like some bullshit happens. She gets scared and runs away. And I'm like, no.
Starting point is 01:40:34 Yes. That's the superpower. Lirio says to her, like, the only way to combat Nancy is you also then have to do, you know, the invoke the spirit spell, have Manaw also go into you. There's enough of Mano to go around. Mano and two girls was better than that. Oh, man, no, you. You slut.
Starting point is 01:40:56 Yeah, true. You're the whore, you know. Oh, yeah. But what she, she doesn't just run away. they do like another, like, they make her see shit and they make her think that the store exploded. Oh, I see. That's so funny.
Starting point is 01:41:12 That's really great. Because also, I mean, it's a really bad fucking, like Star Trek the next generation season one fireball. Yeah, yeah, it's really bad. But it's not as bad as the awkward ass run she has through the alley, like leaving the store. I was like, why is she running like this? What the fuck? Is the wig that heavy?
Starting point is 01:41:33 No, it's to keep it on. They did it like three times. It kept falling on. Oh, what? One of the harnesses is loose. Oh, no. Cody, Cody get the staple gun.
Starting point is 01:41:44 Get it the one with, we shoot it from the back. Come over the one with a chin strap on it. That's better. Okay, good. Hi, it's me, director, Andrew Fleming. I just want to apologize the entire crew for hiring my nitwit nephew, Cody.
Starting point is 01:41:56 Oh, no. He's ruining everything on this film shoot, and I'm totally sorry. Fuck you, Cody. For the rest of, for third act. We're going to have Robin in a hat, right, Robin? We're going to do it up. Yep, nice little ball cap.
Starting point is 01:42:11 Sarah runs home. Nobody's home. This is where Nancy calls in. And this is the, oh, your parents thought you ran back to San Francisco. So they got a flight to go track you down. Turn on the TV. Yeah. Plane crash alert on CNN.
Starting point is 01:42:29 Yeah. Oh, no. Is he Clifty Dead now? this is a great glamour I was like wow you guys can really properly do the news fake asses like yeah
Starting point is 01:42:40 it's like a really like in depth glamour like you're not just changing eye color you're creating like this whole existence this whole reality but this is where she's seeing snakes everywhere and lizards and spiders and all sorts of fucking bugs and stuff
Starting point is 01:42:55 nasty roaches nasty yeah a lot of rats too nasty Oh, it's nasty Very Indiana Jones here Yeah, I mean they're falling on her at one point I chuckled
Starting point is 01:43:08 I was like you know what I would freak out too Yeah sure I'll tell you the worst one though At least for me The overflowing maggot toilet Oh maggot toilet stuff Dude that's a rough toilet That was nasty I was like
Starting point is 01:43:22 I'm sorry I don't know why But maggots like seeing them in movies Like really gets to me I'm like y'all shouldn't exist like this This is just gross looking. You're moving too much. You're always moving too much. I don't like it.
Starting point is 01:43:35 And also, where am I going to shit? Yeah. Just right on top, dude, a little chair. Eric, please. Maybe they'll eat it. That's like a way to save water, conserve energy. We are the world. It's true, Eric.
Starting point is 01:43:52 Some people do an AI. Now I've got to have a maggot toilet. True. People doing AI now. I have to have a maggot toilet. Like, what the fuck does that mean? The water's going to be gone one day because you're doing your little images. But you wouldn't need to replace it with maggots.
Starting point is 01:44:09 You could just... Certainly wouldn't be the first one. Please. I'm waiting for a better solution. Eric. Eric, what happened to your brain? Is it a dry? I got dropped.
Starting point is 01:44:22 Oh. Turns out it's an all-nancy hallucination, but the Coven has showed up here and you know, Nancy or Sarah, you're going to kill yourself tonight is Nancy's threat here. This is where Farooza is just really tidily tap, tap, dancing through the rest of this movie.
Starting point is 01:44:42 She's having a grand old time. Also, the like fake suicide note that's like, I killed Chris Hooker. I'm sorry. Love Sarah. And it looks like it was written by a child. Like it just has this like, I'm practicing cursive look to it. And I was like, no one would fucking believe them? What the fuck is this? You see, Cody, I
Starting point is 01:45:04 told you that your prop suicide don't look like shit. God damn you! What's going on? You wrote it with a ruler. A ruler! Are you serious? You know what, Cody? Your mother called you a fucking loser, and I stood up for her, but you know what? Your mother was right. Fucking
Starting point is 01:45:20 Cody. I'm going to call Margaret tonight. Is this the steakhead's part? Because it's my favorite thing. it can be yeah I mean it can't like not much like it's you know
Starting point is 01:45:35 like she's seeing all this shit and then you know Oh the mom's picture comes alive Yeah That's very Harry Potter actually Speaking of you know what I mean Like the moving picture bullshit You know right yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:45:47 But the mother The dead mother's photograph tells her to reach inside herself And Sarah at this point Also invokes man all You see the wrists heal themselves, you know, all that good stuff. And it's, it's kind of great.
Starting point is 01:46:04 I really love this moment. She's like, you're in deep shit with manor. This is a great line. I'm so mad at you all. But it is great because, again, like, they, they write fucking Robin Tini and Rachel true out of this movie. They just look in the mirror, Robin, Rob, Rob, uh, no, no, Neff Campbell.
Starting point is 01:46:22 Neff Campbell. Neff Campbell looks like Freddy Krueger for five seconds. Oh, Harvey Dent, I wrote, Dan. Oh, it's. It's definitely, yeah, totally, I can see it. And Rachel True's got the weird skull cap that Christine Taylor was wearing earlier. And they just run out of the movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:39 Yep. Yeah, they go. Great. They're like, like, a ghost. It'd be kind of cool if maybe one of them like goes on her side and the other one's doing something else or they have agency at all or something. Or when they, because they do come back and when they come back, they're not also still evil. That would be something. They're, like, cool with stuff, yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:59 Yeah, yeah, that'd be nice, but no, they're just, they got turned for good. Nancy starts having, like, cockroaches coming out of the bottom of her pants and out of her, the sleeves of her shirts. And, yes, this is, she starts turning into snake fingers, which doesn't look great. No, I would wager it didn't look great in 1996. No. Also, how quick did she invoke that spirit, you know? Like, there was a whole production on the beach for Dan. see. The lightning. This was
Starting point is 01:47:30 just like, I'm just laying down now I got Minot. And haven't the sharks suffered enough, by the way? Like, how many more sharks need to die in this movie? Well, dude, that would be awesome if it was like, it was just sharks because they were by the ocean, but like, Cliff de Young comes home. He's like, what's all these dead fucking squirrels in the driveway?
Starting point is 01:47:47 It's an army of dead squirrels. Squirrel guy emerges. I found these. You're dead my dream life day. You keep on running away from me, but this is for you. Cliff DeYoung's like, didn't I just shoe you away with a broom last week?
Starting point is 01:48:02 No, that was a different guy. That's my cousin. That's my cousin's snake guy. Yeah. Don't speak ill of the dead. It was really sad to snake guy's funeral. I just got back from his service.
Starting point is 01:48:14 It was beautiful. I got a muffin from it. Yeah, but so, you know, she tries to do the the binding spell again here, but Nancy counters it with a total freak out. We get this awesome dresser smash moment.
Starting point is 01:48:33 Oh, yeah. Pretty sweet. And I like this, like, she thinks that, like, Sarah has sort of disappeared because the clothes are just, like, her, her, like, what she was wearing is laid out perfectly on the floor, and she's like, where did she go? Tricky, tricky, tricky.
Starting point is 01:48:48 The way she, like, delivers the line is so good. And she acts, like, that the language starts making her sound more like a witch, too. Like, that's actually, like, a stereotypical witch like that. Sure. That really does work with that. But you know what? She's what, you know, points to Nancy. She's smart. She's like, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:49:04 She's still here. Yeah. This is real. And she's about to stab her. And then Ram Tuni wakes up, appears and just throws her. Dude, she opens her eyes like Arnold hiding on the tree and the predator. It is what she is like fucking chameleonically camouflaged against this wall. I would love it if Nancy started laughing like the predator at the end of the I wish.
Starting point is 01:49:30 That'd be great. But man, she, like, kicks her and this bitch goes flying into this mirror. A double-leg donkey kick? Really powerful. Right to the gut. I was like, damn, that fucking hurts. It's awesome. And, yeah, after that total knockout move, T.K.O.
Starting point is 01:49:48 This girl ain't getting up. She finishes, Sarah finishes the binding spell on her, which the binding spell, we should say she's saying uh to not allow nancy to do harm to herself or others via magic so she can still drive down the street sure someone with a car whatever sure just as so long as magic isn't involved you see that kick is so powerful and so good if you did that in a video game you would lose some of your own health you know what i mean you can't do it all the time you can only do it when you want it you know i i want to find out like whatever person came up with that idea in video games and write them a strongly worded letter.
Starting point is 01:50:25 I always hated that. They're dead. They're definitely dead. I would, I'm going to tell you that. I'm pretty sure they're dead. Okay. If any gamer out there knows the first video game to have the rule of if you use a super move,
Starting point is 01:50:39 you lose some of your own life. Despise it. I was playing some old Ninja Turtles games recently and that happens in that and I was like, fuck this. It's turtle time. Come on. This binding spell, I guess sentence her, that makes or go to Arkham, like, because you're physically
Starting point is 01:50:55 bound now. It's a little... The spell's going too far. Manor, look, I take everything to 11. This is the exact same ending that Edward Enigma gets in Batman Forever. Oh, my God. It is super villain-ass shit. Like, she's scarred up from, like, the mirror
Starting point is 01:51:13 that she was slammed into. And she's doing... I could fly. I could fly. I can fly. The same thing. You're right. She's like, I'm flying. He's in you. me. Girl,
Starting point is 01:51:24 like, you're dignitized by my God. Goodbye. Don't like until you try.
Starting point is 01:51:30 Oh, okay. But, yeah, we did reference it briefly, but the next morning, you know,
Starting point is 01:51:37 when the dust is settled, these two fucking shitbird girls come back up and they're like, yeah, gee,
Starting point is 01:51:42 we never thought it would go that far. Totally like half-hearted bullshit. They're liars. Like, yes.
Starting point is 01:51:48 One of them goes, we feel really bad. And Robin Tuni goes about trying to kill me. I do like her sarcasm there. It's really funny. Rochelle has the audacity to say that the whole dead parents thing was just a practical joke.
Starting point is 01:52:04 All right. And they also confirm here that Bonnie and Rochelle have lost their powers, no more powers for them. And then, you know, so you hang out. We could hang out sometime. And a great Robin Tooney line, hold your breath until I call. Clifty Young's in the back like, hi, I didn't die in a plane crash. Just want to make the audience really clear.
Starting point is 01:52:23 about that. Hi, everybody. All my seats were deleted, but that, I'm still alive. Yeah. Oh, man. Clifty one day on set, dude, this guy should have been in the movie. Clifted dead. Clifted dead. But yeah, so, you know, they're walking away and they like shittily
Starting point is 01:52:43 one to the other, like she probably doesn't have powers anyway. And it is a great, oh yeah, fucker, like she makes the sky turn dark, storms are coming, lightning hits a tree branch that falls right near them. I got to tell you you make this the end scene of the movie, that branch falls on the
Starting point is 01:53:00 two of them. Credits. How cool would that? A good splat ending? It's been awesome. Now you're going to do the Archimede. Gotta go Batman forever on them. Got to do it. Who's the lead witch? Me! But yeah, it's kind of
Starting point is 01:53:16 cool, like she's freaking out, having a total freak out, chain to this bed, strapped to the bed, whatever. And the last lines of the movie is her just going, I'm flying, I'm flying, cut to black. Isn't she in a stereotypical nut house in that Return to Oz movie as well? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's like the threat over her. Institutional lines.
Starting point is 01:53:38 Does that happen in the Waterboy as well? I think she's escaped from an institute in the Waterboy. Yeah, like the beginning is, oh yeah, exactly. That's where she comes from. Yeah, I think that's it. She would have had to have been previously institutionalized if she thinks Bobby Boucher is a romantic interest. It's also, what's her face is fate in,
Starting point is 01:54:01 is at the end of the first final destination? What's her face? Ali Larder, yes. Is in the nut house at some point. She's in the second movie. In the second one, we meet her there, yeah. Oh, that's right, because the kids come and she's like, oh, yeah, I'm in here because death can't get me in the booby hatch or whatever.
Starting point is 01:54:20 But yeah, I'm flying, I'm flying. end of movie. Yeah, it's crazy that Farooza is the only one that came back for that sequel. I mean, crazy and I guess maybe not so crazy, but why you would want to even connect anything is just kind of seem silly. It does. It's kind of bad. But as it turns out, none of us have seen it.
Starting point is 01:54:42 I thought I did for a second earlier today. For a second. But we'll go around the horn here for some final thoughts and potential recommendations. And Angelica, you're our guest. we'll start with you. I am of course going to recommend this movie. It is a 90s staple
Starting point is 01:54:57 for weird girls. But I know if someone were to like without context just like watch it today it's probably not going to hit for the young ends the way it hit for us for ladies of a certain age.
Starting point is 01:55:12 But you know it's still fun. It's worth watching just for Faruza Bach at least. Like she's like really bringing it. It's like a fun but frustrating watch because you can see
Starting point is 01:55:23 like a better version of it that's like full on horror that like slightly develops these characters a little bit more gives them a few more beats. It's just like yeah it's a little frustrating but you know it's worth watching for Faruza my goth queen
Starting point is 01:55:38 hell yeah Steve Sadek. Yeah to recommend for me too I kind of go back and forth on like I've seen this movie a couple times in the last couple years and that's the thing it's really watchable the fact that it's 99 minutes or whatever it is it goes by really quickly
Starting point is 01:55:54 it's a very easy easy watch yes it absolutely could be better it should be a horror movie you should give all four characters something to do if you're making a four piece movie but for this is really good you know what I mean I think that like there's there's really good beats there and it's got a really
Starting point is 01:56:11 it captures a very perfect 1996 pop grunge aesthetic thing very well and I think that for that for that moment in time it's worth it hell yeah uh eric ciska yeah no i'm not gonna say anything different i agree uh with my colleagues uh it's not perfect but it's a definite recommend i always have fun whenever i watch it it it's been a while for this one so i was really happy to revisit it and uh yeah i mean a little more clifty young would have been nice but what are you gonna do i guess i'll call the corners for that i knew it i knew it i knew it Christopher Yeah, I might recommend
Starting point is 01:56:47 I think it's a movie that I watched it a bunch when I was a kid Again, I saw it in theaters And I rented it a bunch I do believe this was part of the Will Cabin Stash The Looch Oh nice
Starting point is 01:56:58 So I did have this around And like what I think The problem is that it doesn't decide What it wants to be Like it's not a horror movie It's not really a thriller And you would think it's a teen movie Right
Starting point is 01:57:11 but then like the school life isn't really that populated. There's no like life anywhere else. Everybody is just either focused on them or against them in some way. There's no like, you know what, Rob, Tudit, you know, there's life elsewhere. There's other people that you might get along with, not just these people who seem to hate you at the end of this. So I just kind of always felt like there was more to be fleshed out here. There's more of a world to build here. And but I still, I mean, again, Ferrisa book's incredible in it.
Starting point is 01:57:39 uh neb campbell i my queen what can i do here um i mean the group rachel tru's also like looking those curls are popping she's looking great love her down love her and uh yeah i say rachel true uh i remember mostly from uh the greger rocky movie uh no wear she's good in that great in that movie uh but yeah definitely worth seeing uh just for the nostalgia my god yeah yeah no it's it's a big recommend for me too again like you know angelica like you said like that the the pantheon of those like mid to late 90s movies like this i you know i put this in with like the faculty scream i know you might know what you did last summer which i know are more like horror and science fiction but this you know it kind of falls into that especially soundtrack wise one thing i wanted
Starting point is 01:58:29 to to mention the thing that like i knew of before years before i actually saw the movie the fucking poster for this movie is awesome The four of them and the lightning in the background and the rain. Like, it looks totally fucking badass. And the logo. Well, but this, though, but this, it's interesting, Steve. This is different than the movie. This is like crow font.
Starting point is 01:58:52 Oh, okay, gotcha. Okay. And the other thing I wanted to point out, folks at home may also remember another very famous Rachel True performance that came out two years later. She's indeed Mary Jane in half baked. Which I learned just the other day. last year we saw a release of half-baked colon totally high where she reprises her role as Mary Jane
Starting point is 01:59:17 and it's just her and Harlan what's his face? Harlan Williams. Harlan Williams, who's not even repeating the character. He's doing the voice of a joint or some shit. What? But yeah, Rachel True returned as Mary Jane in a half-baked sequel that no one knows about. So I just had to put it out there.
Starting point is 01:59:36 I watched that movie so fucking much when I was younger, which is wild because the first time I smoked weed, I was 26. They, like, enjoyed the movie for some reason. Fun movie. It's fun. It's a totally, totally fun, fun movie. Oh, why didn't they have Dave Chappelle back? Oh, of course.
Starting point is 01:59:56 Who he is. Oh, he's going to be in Harry Potter. Don't worry about it. One dude who's in this, and then we'll end the episode, But one dude who was in this how high, or a half-baked, rather, a sequel, is this young guy, Dexter Darden, who appears to be, like, the main character, one of the two. That guy was on that Saved by the Bell reboot that was funnier than I thought it had any right being. And he was actually pretty hysterical on it. So anyway, just putting it out of the universe, half-baked, colon, totally high, is out for you to rent never.
Starting point is 02:00:28 But that is going to do it for this episode. Angelica, thanks, as always, for coming on. You know, what's going on? Tell people about madwomen and muses and what else you got floating around? Obviously, you can find me at New York Magazine site, Vulture, reviewing tings, interviewing people, having fun. And then you could check me out on my newsletter, Mad Women and Muses, which is on Substack. Probably going to move from Substack soonish. But, you know, I have fun there.
Starting point is 02:00:59 I make, like, letterbox lists to go with my Pee's. probably my favorite is the Movies That Fuck list and I'm starting a little series or column I guess you could say on my newsletter called Movies That Fuck about
Starting point is 02:01:16 movies that fuck. Exactly That is my energy as a critic But yeah and you can find me on Blue Sky just under my name you know just having fun reviewing things live in life Let me ask you this
Starting point is 02:01:30 that the list of movies that fuck. How many Clif de Young titles? Zero. All sucks a little bit, 1988, falls and a little bit, just a little bit. A little fucking. I don't know. I don't remember, but I hope so.
Starting point is 02:01:50 But yeah, that's where you can find me. Always love coming on the show. It was also nice getting to hang out with you guys while I was in New York a couple days ago. R.L. Yeah, it was great. Which was absolutely fucking lovely. A great way to close out a really fun New York trip. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. But that is going to do for this episode, folks. As always, you get more content from us over on the Patreon. Patreon. Patreon.com slash we hate movies, where you can get episodes exactly like this one, ad free. That is right. Zero commercials on We hate movies episodes over on the Patreon. We're also just a little while back, just a couple weeks back, we released a We Love Movies.
Starting point is 02:02:30 about the conversation. Excellent way to sort of cap our two-film Gene Hackman tribute. Amazing movie. Steve, what did we do for animation damnation this month? We did Jam and the Holograms, which was a wild episode about the Indy 500. Yeah. It was a great time. I loved it.
Starting point is 02:02:49 I really did. I loved it. That's a great one. The Gleap Glossary, we did a real OG from the prequels, huh? Yes. Noot Gunray, because trade routes are in dispute. so we thought it was about time we talked about him
Starting point is 02:03:02 and it was a really good time. Real world's come to Star Wars, Eric, it's happened finally. That's right. It's happened finally. Also, over on Melrode 210, we are seeing the conclusion of Daddy Wars.
Starting point is 02:03:16 It has finally happened and we're not going to spoil, but a fiery end to one of the competitors. Competitors. I mean, basically, that was basically what's going on with the daddies.
Starting point is 02:03:29 Yes. That's true. Yes, and of course we will be releasing a new episode of The Nexus, which we are back to the regularly scheduled programming. We did the two listener requested DS9 episodes last month. We are back to Toastas and TNG, so right back where we left it. The lesser track, sorry. I know Eric was, you know, he's not really a Deep Space Nine head.
Starting point is 02:03:55 The moment you're asked, what did you say in that damn episode? That was the first one I liked, because the only ones I've seen are the ones that people request on March. Which are like the craziest, like weirdest ones. It's not fair. It's not a fair judgment. The Nexus rule, me, me saying stuff on the Nexus is not binding. No, it's not. It better not be.
Starting point is 02:04:16 I'm like, you know, insane about Deep Space Nine. I literally am reading a trilogy of Deep Space Nine. Whoa, great out. It's called Millennium. you know it's major Cisco everyone's like it's just my crew I just love these gay ass weirdos that populate a space station that also has a bar and a mall and it's amazing hell yeah and actually on mad women and muses was was that where you posted the tony todd thing yeah i did the episode that you wrote about Yeah, I posted a remembrance of Tony Todd and I wrote about Candy Man and the episode you guys did The Visitor, which is very early in the fourth season, which like season four fucking Deep Space Nine, when you see motherfucking Avery Brooks has shaved his head, you're like, damn, he's like going full on head nigger in charge. Energy. I love this shit. I love this shit. Y'all need to have me on the next episode, y'all like that D.S.
Starting point is 02:05:23 9 comes up so I can be an absolute fucking geek about it I love the video I think that's great so we got it we got to rig the next listener request month
Starting point is 02:05:33 so that it's only DS9 titles but that's going to do it for this week as always though next Tuesday the show rolls on with a brand spanking new episode that will have commercials
Starting point is 02:05:43 on the free feed and none on the Patreon Steve Sadek what are we going to be talking about oh boy it's Avengers Age of Ultron how about that ladies and gentlemen
Starting point is 02:05:53 That's right. Late period, James Spader doing anything for you? Yes, every day. Velvety voice in that movie. I haven't seen this since release, so we'll see how it is. Yes, but it is technically, we're starting off the summer blockbuster extravaganza a month early. What?
Starting point is 02:06:11 Yeah. We were like, you know what? Let's just do a lot of big movies. Whatever, it gives it shit. You like it. So, yes, next week, James Spader voices a robot on Avengers Age of Ultron. Until then, I've been Andrew Juppin. say to Eric Siskin, Chris Cabin, Angelica Jade Bastien. Take it easy.
Starting point is 02:06:53 It's very good.

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