We Hate Movies - S15: On-Screen Live 1.27.25 Our Reviews of Flight Risk, Wolf Man, Presence & Star Trek: Section 31

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

On the triumphant return of On-Screen Live in 2025, we're back and better than ever, playing catch-up on movies and reviewing Flight Risk starring Mark Wahlberg and Mark Wahlberg's haircut, Leigh Whannell's Wolf Man, Steven Soderbergh's Presence from NEON, and the scrapped Star Trek pilot disguised as a TV movie, Section 31! We'll also check in on the weekend box office, and more! Be sure to catch us LIVE this Thursday, January 30 at 9pm/et for our first worldwide digital event of the year where we're going to chat all about Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire! Can't make it live on Thursday night? No problemo! The show will be available for replay for 14 days after the broadcast! Get your 🎟️ here: http://www.moment.co/wehatemovies 👻 🥶  Tickets are on sale now for our three-night residency during the Oxford Comedy Festival! We’ll be doing six shows over three nights from July 18 through 20, doing shows like WHM, W❤️M, The Nexus, The Gleep Glossary, and Animation Damnation! Tickets are going fast, so friends over there, snag your tix! Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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I'm going to Oh my Oh so what's going on? Holy schnikes, this is the first on-screen live of 2025. My name is Andrew Jupin, and we're about to get into it today. We've got a lot going on. We've got a bunch of stuff to review. We've got some box office to catch up on. And we just got to catch up with all you fine folk out there, welcoming you all into the chat as I'm. is. We'll say hi to say hi to some us. We got to say hi to our buds. Also, apologies to all the bills fans out there that I know. Rough shit last night. Anyway, bring in some friends here to get ready to talk about movies and the money they've made.

First up, you know them, you love him. Mr. Steven Sadec. Why you got to shit on the bills like that? They did their best. I didn't show them at all. It's a sad story. The sad story. That's sports. That's that's that's bad story. It's that's a sad story. I was like, no, no, no. Nothing doing. Quick question. Anyone have this LaCroix strawberry peach yet? It's quite delicious. No, strawberry peach you say. Mm-hmm. Oh, I like that. Strawberries and peaches. There you are all right. Together nuts and gum together at last. I have long last. Speaking of someone I'm Mr. Speaking of someone who can eat a peach We better get paid for that LeCroy Apparently I want some money coming in for that Speaking of money how could you root for the bills

I don't like bills I don't like pay I like not paying Bill I was rooting for the Dining Dashers We should have fucking really dumb names like that for so why not The Dining Ders like that's what the XFL had right you know like the new york new yitman come on oh my god oh and here we go mr librarian he's back and he's still reading here's mr chris cabin yeah look at that room to dream he's dreaming right now

okay i finish that chapter yeah good thank god i'm glad never never one for uh successful, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, there's, there's always going to be a problem. How are you reading in that dark cave of your? Well, you see, the dew here gives some shimmer and I can get, you know, wet tiles. It's very, it's kind of actually nice, nice, tiles in that room right now. What, what, what, a cave without like a nice, wet tiled around area? Come on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Got to dig it in a little bit and then you got to put it down. The tunnel. Is it's a tunnel? Is it's a tunnel? It's a tunnel. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it's not dry. When you finally light that sucker, everyone's going to be surprised that that's on an ISIS flag behind you, but a tootero flag. Yeah. I'm surprised. It could look, it could go either way right now. I know. It's a squid. Well, I shouldn't, that's, I, I had to replace me in the rug rather than. So I put the books. I started doing the books and I still can't tell. You know, Chris, you might surprise me to pull up a journalist severed head. in a moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Daniel, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you'll immediately be asked to join the White House. Uh, what's going on, y'all in the chat, Damon La Cornyu, Fool O'Chuligan, Simon Racine,

Rose sucked, there's our sucked, hi sucked, uh, Tata, Hababa, I'm so, Rachel, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's been a while, you know, this was like our, our winter hybrid, nation, we're back. We're here to talk about grosses. We're here to make you guys, old movies. Want to do some quick top of the box office, everybody. First one up. Number one, January the 27th. Number one of the box office in the year of our lord 2000. Do we ring in for these? No, I'm just kind of curious if you can, if you can guess. This is a Denzel Washington movie. John Q. The hurricane.

The story of the Did Timmy Did Timmy sing that song in the movie? Apparently people were upset about Saturday Live that he did too many obscure Bob Dylan numbers. Oh, here's an idea. Who gives a shit? That's a great call.

Outlaw Blues is on one of the major record. I don't get that. You also don't want to do the hurricane because that's got an end bomb you know, you know, Timmy, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, yeah, like, don't, don't, don't pretend that, like, he's doing obscures shit, like, his fucking 80s gospel shit that no one is. That would be great.

Stuff from saved. Yeah, get the stuff from saved down there or, like, uh, as good as I've been to you. That's, get that stuff in there. Uh, so here we go, 2011 on this day, top of the box office. this is an Ashton Cuthers. Killers, Eric, Eric, that is these two these two movies, friends with benefits

and no strings attached. I think the way people will tell it, this is the better of those movies. Okay, I have not seen either of those. These, they both sound like episodes just from their posters and titles. They're both horrible. They're really not good. You get a look at that poster. It's like, yeah, I'll talk about that for 90 minutes. Here we go.

number one of the box office is the year of our lord in the year of our lord 2019 now this was the trilogy no one knew was a trilogy okay split oh close oh no world oh damn oh yes everybody was like wait all these those movies are connected oh well oh shit i forgot glass was after split i thought the glass okay no yeah glass came after this but i have not seen this movie. It's not good movie. I like it's, I think it's pretty decent. There's like an end that's very underwhelming. Something happened at the end of a Chevlon movie that really pay off. Yeah, and I went, wait, what? Little hint for February programming, by the way. And finally, top of the box office, this day, January the 27th, 1999, everybody. This is a lighthearted,

feel good, mostly sad, comedy with a now-deceased, toys. That's earlier. is this episode? It's this. Can we make fun of the dying kids and his nose and his clown stuff? Is that a bad thing? I don't know. That's a good question because this is in the barrel currently for listener request month. I have not removed it. It's in the, so it could be. I like that. We also,

So we always, we always get a flubber is always in there. So let's, yeah, let's do it this way. Let's outsource right now. And then it'll be, it'll be the fault of the people in the chat, if other people get pissed off. But people in the chat weigh in. If we started doing Robin Williams movies, and again, like, remember, we're older, we're gentler. Yeah. If we covered Robin Williams movies in the present state of the show, would y'all be like, wagging fingers, what are you doing?

That's what we wanted. Or would you be cool with us talking about Robin Williams? because also we love Robin Williams. I don't like Robin Williams. says it. We go. Let's see. Greg Buffuto says do them. We'll have to do that.

Toys as well. Jesus Christ. Robin the Grave Month. It's right there. There's so many titles. We haven't done of his. I think you just want to do that so you could say Robin in the Grave. I do. I want to say that every week for a month.

We can only do it is if we recreate We can only do it's a great photo We can't even if he's in his own For his album, call it quits Oh my God, that is a good album cover Yeah, so we'll see But it's so far, it looks like the temperatures leaning People would be cool if we covered Mr. Williams' movies again

So, you know, we'll look into it. We'll see what happens. Unfortunately, you know, the universe is shit I wish I could say that we're going to be looking at the numbers that those no longer exists. we've been left to play in. This is highest gross. reset, but that is this week, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but that is. , uh, uh, uh, , uh, uh,

, uh, still farting along here. Moana too. Wow. Still haven't. Still haven't done it. I mean, uh, what a good decision to not just dump this on Disney plus. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. Stubbed from the Oscars, though. No Oscar knob for that. I think that's fine. Although that did fuck me with the vulture. Yeah, the Vulture game kind of fucked me over as well. I was certain there'd be like a song nomination. or some shit. This was another $4. This was another $1 million this movie. This is, this movie, this

$1 billion, $1 billion, $1 million. This is also interesting, though. This has made a ton of money, but it costs less than other movies out right now, sort of vying for the same audience. So, fascinatingly, this only costs $150 million to make. So it is more profitable than both Mufasa and Sonic the hedgehog combined. That's how rocking and rolling Mawanna 2 is. It just

generally, I mean, I think we're, I don't know if we're going to talk about it, but like the Mufasa thing, it's amazing how quickly that just went right under the radar. Like nobody. Because nobody wanted it. New Barry Jenkins and nobody is interested. Let's call it, yeah, let's just call it the Newberry

Jenkins. It is. I mean, I know it is, but it is it. It is not, no. Now, like, we'll get to it. The new Mufasa movie. All right. Let's just put a quick pin in nobody wants this for Mufasa. Sure. We'll address that in a second.

Coming in at number four, a movie that, you know, it seemed kind of, yeah, I like the first two and it seemed kind of sweet, but this weekend I totally greened out to Sonic the Hedgehog 3. I was having a good time with it. I did try to stick with it, but man, I was just overserved at my house. Well, all you need to do is just log on Twitter. High-res, beautiful renditions of the So is this a good thing or a bad thing for you?

I think that's a bad thing. I don't think that's a good idea. Oh, stop being, stop going on Twitter, Mike. Yeah, I mean, you lost me at, it's all over Twitter. Okay. What, is there something wrong with Twitter now? Since when... There's nothing wrong with it.

What are you talking about? Jackals is a good dude. I like that. Let's quickly a moment to appreciate our tech overlords. The two Jim Carrey dance. I've seen it's like the ending. There's like a stinger with some pink lady that saves the day. Oh, okay. Not too familiar with the Sonic lore. Well, I've continued playing like the new Sonic game. So those characters are all over that stuff. But yeah, it was another 5.5 mil. I have 447 million globally man this is quite the delicious um, um, uh, um,

but, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, put that out there. Uh, all right. Continuing, um, something I wanted to see. It's doing very well. I love that a big comedy is just in theaters. One of them days with Keekeke Palmer and Siza. Uh, in its second weekend here, really loving this. Another $8 million. You're looking at 25 million domestic. A nice 32% drop so that's a decent old. People are coming out to see this. See big comedies. Hell yes. This is great news. For audiences and Sony pictures alike. So here we go. Chris, just to volley back, your no one gave a shit about the number two at the box office in its sixth week. And not that the box office is amazing this weekend, but it is in its sixth week at number two, still churning along here with $8.7 million. a global total of $627 million dollars.

This movie from its opening weekend gross. maybe if you're not interested in it, plenty of people have seen this movie. It's been parents, like, it's been my, like, friends and stuff who I've been like, they usually will say, like, oh, man, we had to take the kid to see Moana too. They'll say stuff like that. I haven't heard from any of them going and bringing their kid to Mifasa.

Like, that's just not been, and maybe it's been amazing I haven't heard anything about it either. I didn't even see a trailer before any of the movies I've been going to see because I go to weird movies. And also all, you know, the scuttle butt on the streets, you know, I'm not hearing it. You're not going to see a Mufasa trailer.

Right. But when I'm walking down the street to there passing multiple schools, I hear no one going Mufus, Mufusso, Mufasa, Mufasa. Yeah. had AI tribute any chance? Anybody That's not, like, like, yeah, that part, the other, the other,

the whole first 30 minutes in the last 45 are on there though. Well, I would imagine like, you know, because that dude clearly had no problem selling his voice rights for like Darth Vader and whatever the fuck. I bet if they, he was like, yes, you may do AI James Earl Jones for Mufasa. You know what I? Like, yeah. So maybe it's a thing where it's like,

Oh, like, like, like, like, like, like me tell you the story of how I became the first Lion King. It would not shock me. I have not heard that, though. And I feel like if something that ghoulish were to exist in that film, we would have heard about it by now. That's a fair point. But yeah, Chris, I don't know. Maybe all your friends just hate Barry Jenkins. It's possible.

I don't know. We're not going to go show our kids of Barry Jenkins movie. They don't seem to be that way. But, hey, who knows? And then at number one, for the week. fish of a the box office. We're going to review a good God, you all

you know what I was the tagline on the poster. That's hilarious. Yeah. What is the tagline? You all need a pilot. Oh, that's fantastic. Y'all need a pilot. Do you think because he actually shaved his head for this movie, that was his

like, I'm going method, bro. I'm shaving my head into his shoehorn. Here comes the Oscar. They even They even call it is. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. Oh, someone says that he sounds like Larry the cable guy in the movie. I think he refers to it himself. I think he calls himself. Yeah, well, you got to get ahead of it. You don't want people making funny. You can own the joke. I was hoping for some powerful parts after that line, Chris. Like, that's why the plane's rocket. There's a lot of shit talking You ever thought so hard?

You had 25 million. You know For a movie with three people That I don't really go to movies To see directed by a guy I don't go to see movies he directed I don't know It seems like a real rental to me

But we will review it Just in one quick second But first up We are just two days away y'all from our first, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you all to, you all to, you all the, uh, I just rewatch this, uh, last night. And, uh, we're gonna have fun. It's okay to like a movie, but we're just going to have fun with it. And it's going to be a really great night of rowdy boy behavior, which you love. I'm going to lose track of how many fucking Ghostbusters are in there.

There's just so many ghostbusters. You look at that, and there's so many great jumpsuits. I thought it was like a prison yard. Just, you know what? Let's just take two on British inventor kid. Let's just say, let's just say we never did it. I've not seen the movie. I have not seen this yet.

This is disgusting. You're not excited about podcasts, new brethren, such as Instagram, Facebook, social media. All the new Ghostbusters out there. podcast does return. Podcasts is back, he's spending the summer living in Dan Aykroyd's face. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's an hour. That's an hour of content, folks. I think that the movie is better than afterlife because it would almost have to be.

There is good stuff in there. But just like your favorite marshmallow friend, that shit is overstuffed. So we will be talking about it all Thursday night. And don't worry, if you can't make it at 9 p.m. Eastern on Thursday, The show's available for replay for the fact, So that's going to be a lot of fun.com. We ate movies. This is a low-res graphic, but the first night of our three-night residency at the Oxford Comedy Festival show one is this graphic I found on their website.

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on our website, but let's get into it. Let's get a little on-screen review. Chris and Eric, you were the only ones to take the flight risks. That's where we're going. clearly, clearly, clearly, I spent the back half of this movie texting, we had some internal scheduling stuff come up and I wasn't going to wait for flight risk to end.

And there was like no one there practically. So upstate New York in the daytime. Yeah. Yeah. It was barely anybody in mind too. There was maybe three up front and like an elderly couple all the way and back, probably being hansy with each other during the

More made the movie. He's yelling. He's still My teeth my teeth out. Then put them back So is this movie not fun? Is that my It's not good. It's not fun. I don't think. I mean I guess mileage may vary on the fun aspect. Sure. It depends on how much you are how much you like Mark Wahlberg going really for it. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, he's doing, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, take it to 11 as you can. Chris, let me ask you this. Is there a Mark Wahlberg

performance that exists already that you could compare this to as far as the insane intensity or whatever? I mean, the, uh, more intense, uh, moments of 1990s fear. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. When he gets crazy in that. that movie, I can, again, again, like, I mean, there are all these movies he's made that I've either not seen or have seen and immediately all the, all the data, the data banks have been white. He spends a lot of the movie just tied up in the back. The thing is, I, on paper, this movie should make sense to me and I should like it because I like these contained thrillers. I think it's a fun idea. Right. But we never really get out of stock character territory. You know nothing about Tofer Grace besides that he has a mother, which

I'm in peril. I feel like there's not enough there. You know, you know, expand these characters. And also like, I found Michelle Dockery to be particularly wooden in this performance. Yeah. Dude, she, I, you know what's crazy is like I liked her on Downton and I feel like that sort of stiffness. or that like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I've just seen her in other movies, including a movie that takes place

on a plane also, where I'm like, I just don't know. With this, I think part of it was her trying to, I've got to do the American accent now. I'm an American cop. Get down. She's American cop. And that's also, like, because of the, like, usually I'm like, oh, fuck. a nice like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, uh, uh, uh, like, like, like, like, and because it's being delivered by her mostly, like, you just be, you disengage

constantly. And then like, like, Tofer Grace give it some nice, like, moments that are, like, funny or at least, like, have some character to it. The same thing with Walberg. But, like, at some point, I'm just like, I know how this ends. I know that where this is going. Right. Uh, fear is better than a flight. No, no, no, um, um, um, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I, I, I don't know, I guess, because you were texting, you probably didn't see the back half, but like, there are at least three images in this and I am like a hundred percent sure AI generated and like, the, the, the motel, uh, uh, shot at the start, yeah,

at the very, the snowy motel. Yes, that seemed, uh, the moose, I think almost undeniably, like the moose looks but at the same time but at the same time we're now in this uncanny valley with these effects that i'm like is just really bad cg i i think i think at least with this one i could tell the difference because then there is in the back have you you probably weren't seeing it there is a shot of a bunch of emergency vehicles like going down a runway essentially and they cut from what are clear like effects shots to this one shot of them going up and then, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, somebody, like, somebody, it's, it was, it, it, it looks distinctly like, well, an AI thing, rather than a, somebody, somebody, even if it's badly crafted, it's still crafted by somebody. Right. So you're saying this is, it's undeniably not just, like, shitty CGI, but, well, let me ask you this about the moose, you said.

Yeah. A clear indicator there, if it's CGI. That moose got five legs. That's a great question. It's a close up of a moose. The moose is a moose. It's quick. It's for quick shots that you're not You're not supposed to pick up on. But there's like there's a look to AI stuff

That is it's the light that it's very particular And those were the three where I was like That feels like the real thing. I mean snakes on a plane also much better movie Like not it. Turbulance is of course the king. I mean, turbulence. Oh, that's yeah.

Or is it. turbulence three, I haven't seen the sequel. I mean, but I mean, but I mean, it's really cheap. Like, like, it's bad. Like, it's bad even by what you were expecting. Like, because the Tofer Grace stuff isn't even fun. Like, you could feel like they could have done something funny with him. But really, he's just like the anchor. He's the one like, ultimately, if it has heart, it's with Tofer Grace. Well, he's like some sort of like snitch. Is that the idea? Yeah. He's in protective custody. Yeah. Like, it's like, it's like, a TV episode, like, he's going to rat on the mafia. That's exactly. Maybe it's like, what this feels like, it feels like, oh, that's a good episode of FBI. That's all this is. Right. Then I think it's, it's, uh, perfectly appropriate. Our buddy Bucyrus in the chat says this sounds like a 45 minute movie. Stretched. Uh, how it's somehow. It's thinking, what it's pretty short though, right, like 90 minutes. Okay, okay, okay, okay, 91, but those credits hit, probably 85. They take their, well, you gotta get all the fucking AI artist shit credited, so, or just a bunch of names that you're faking are CGI people. And then, you know, you have a lot of the movie. A good amount of it is like, you know, someone telling her how to fly the plane.

So, and yeah, one of those. And because it's Gibson, they, uh, it, of course, he has to push back on the man. so there's a lot of pretty ghastly, a person, and then, like, like, like, like, like, can we, can we, just take, just because Mel had a week as we know. He had this thing, and Tucker Carlson had this thing also, which is a very bizarre idea, which is Trump's here and Daddy, Daddy's home and he's going to take his, his belt off and he's going to show everybody what's going to happen. And like, like, like, let's, like, let's, like, let's just take the sexual, that's just that's difficult. It is. It's oil and water. I don't know. But, but, but I'm just going to give, I'm going to give it the benefit of doubt and say that he's not getting incredibly horny while, while fantasizing about this, which I'm sure he is. I think he is. They definitely are. Yeah. Yeah. Hard is to rock. So then what are like, so obviously all the libs and the gays and are the ones that are going to get beat. And the Republicans are the shitty brother that's like, You're going to get it. How is that? How do you want to take a lot? I'll take responsibility. You sure will. And your punishment will be to review fucking Wolfman. Jesus. Christ. What a dull affair. What a dull waste of night. I think it's a buck 45. This is on the, well, not on the heels, but. The last one of these was invisible man, what happened here, Steve?

It's just, it's your classic, uh, uh, uh, that's, that's, that's, you're never going to win. Sure. We're trying to make this an issue movie, but even that it fails at because I think Wano, he wants to do two things. You wants to do one, here's my issue movie. It's about, you know, generational trauma, especially through masculinity, through men, uh, passed down and how it affects the nuclear family.

unit, because he fails he also wants to make like this ain't your daddy's and it's not your daddy's it takes place in one night. So it's just a one crazy night movie. So any and all of the transformational like

in one house. Yeah. That would happen. It just doesn't happen in the movie. It's just like and it actually excuses our Chris Abbott from any of his behavior. It's like oh well he just you got bit by the fucking wolf. Everyone knows like oh that guy's a fucking warwolf. I mean, what's going on? Why is daddy snapping at me? Any of that stuff could have been interesting. I think they at least think they resolved that in the quote unquote, I mean, the most obvious fucking twist and the fucking what happens towards the end of it. I mean, I mean, the thing, what I liked about it was like the transformational stuff about it. Like it focusing on like the slow transformation, like what it looks like doing the perspective shots. Stuff like that is interesting. But like it doesn't go.

anywhere, forever to get to where, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the transformation stuff made me think it was trying to do, like, a fly thing. Like, yeah, it's going to do a slow build. But then, like, also, you need to believe that Chris Abbott and, uh, uh, Judy, is Judy Greer? Jennifer Garner. Jennifer Garner, sorry. No, no, no. Julia Garner. Yeah, we got to. Uh, uh, I just don't, like, if you're going to do something like that, you have to do a little bit more with their relationship. and I just kind of doing, again, again, you know, you know, you know, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, a, you know, we're, we're going to her job and he's like, you know, we're, we're not doing well, et cetera. And then it just turns into this thing where he gets bit by a werewolf. And she's like, he's getting worse. He's getting worse. And it's like, I know. What, what next? I mean, like, and the thing is, like, I don't need to. There's no scares in it, man. Like, and, you know, like, I just, we're entering this world. And, you know, I'm glad that the substance got nominated. I think Demi Moore is, you know, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's cool to see horror get nominated, but I get nervous about it because, like, what are we learning from what movies and stuff like that?

I just don't want horror to become just, you know, a dull affair. I want these things to be fucking scary. I want that to be front and center in a horror movie. Right. I mean, it should, it should, in a horror movie, the horror should always be front and set. If it's not, if it's not your movie's, man, man, that's how I, that was my problem with Heretic. Heretic was actually pretty intense and scary until you get past the point where, like, they have to show you something, and it has no idea has had to scare you up. Is this like elevated horror attempts? Yes, it's an attempt. It's a little bit more physical, so I give it credit on that front. Like, like all, I mean, the last two WANL movies are also very physical, what they're talking about.

like that about him, what it just, what it builds to, the big scare was the trailer. The trailer you the car happens. Like that's the biggest. And then there's like, towards the end, there's some other stuff, including the most ridiculous twist in the world. But like, that stuff is kind of exciting, but it's just not enough to balance out in a 90 minute. It's a very, it's a very quick movie. Like to do all that, it just doesn't work. Something else has to do more. You either have to do more with the or I have to have to use the cycle of the moon. That's what the fucking story is. You know what I mean? and like we're not doing that. It's all one night and there's no time to explore anything and it's over. Yeah, yeah. That's not great. I was just reminded of a, it's actually kind of funny now that I think

about it, but there's a one crazy night, movie that came out I think it was like, last year, maybe very early I don't remember, with, what's his name? Frank Brillo? Yeah, Frank Grillo. I think he's literally just called

Werewolves. Oh, yeah, I wanted to see that. It's a movie about like there was a crazy thing that, like, some sort of space event happened. and billions of people, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like and it was crazy. And so this has now set up, it's, like, a year after that. And it's kind of now, like, a purge scenario where everybody's like, hey, we know a lot of people are going to be turning into werewolves. We're all battening down the hatches.

Everybody stay inside for the night, kind of a deal. And that kind of works. I mean, it's not trying to, like, say anything. It is, it is like a one, but it's like, but it's like a one crazy night, you know, you know, but still pretty fun, like practical effects and stuff. Frank Grillo, pretty entertaining in it. I just, I just looked up the cast, Lou Diamond Phillips. Wow. Yes. Oh, yeah, Lou Diamond Phillips. Spectacular ending to his character. I think that's also why I'm so down on this movie is because, one, I really like to Visible Man and, and, uh, upgrade as well. And two, I, I feel like the wolf, the wolfman genre, we get so many vampires, so few werewolves, I just want more werewolf movies. Eggers is his next movie.

Yeah. Vervolve. Vervolve. Vervolve. Right. That's what I call it. I hear. I'm picturing is like his version of like a vampire kind of adaptation because it's set in like the 1500.

I feel, you know what? I feel like, oh, I don't know if I want to do another werewolf movie. so fast, okay, you just, you just, you just, yeah, yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that sucks shit. Don't worry. I'll, I'll, I'll do it better. He has also, I mean, like, I would also be doing, because, like, he just, he has a hit on his hands right now. Yeah. Like, I'd be like, sell, sell, sell. Get as much, fucking scripts in and, like, stamp will do this as you possibly can. I will say, Larry Fassenden is apparently has a good one out. I have not seen it called blackout. Okay. Oh, I had a couple people tell me it was pretty good. I do want to check

it out. Yeah. Larry, Larry, for sending man that guy, there's a guy, that dude, like, like, like, like he does. That guy's got great ideas here and there. Um, I was gonna ask another question about Wolfman and now I can't remember. Someone in the chat, I think we have like some newer listeners, by the way. Uh, we did the Mike Nichols movie Wolf with Jack Nicholson a thousand years ago. That is on the Patreon archive. So don't worry. We covered that bad boy. Uh, that movie, uh, that movie, uh, that movie by any chance? Probably. Uh, yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, the Jack Nicholson one is. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Much much better. The thing that, you're right, because you're like, Steve, you're more because you know, you know, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, when you have a shit looking werewolf in your movie, it's way more to the movie's detriment

than having like a shitty looking vampire. Right, because a vampire could just be a guy. Yeah, it was just some guy. It's just a guy. Teeth effects. That's all you need. And like, and when you get a computer werewolf, the worst thing. Yeah, that's tough. Someone in the chat

is the Maryle heller movie. No, uh, uh, uh, uh, is, uh, is, uh, uh, is, uh, is, uh, is a couple and they just kind of shut out. Um, yeah, so I'd love to see more werewolf shit, but, yeah, that, this just sounds like a straight up, uh, rental from hell. Yeah, it's a skip at best, uh, skip at best. Um, here's something that, uh, I decided to catch, uh, just sort of called than audible yesterday. I was going to go see flight risk. I was kind of got to go see this. I was the name of the motion picture here. This was part of the trio of bad scheduling shit that happened to Toronto, where it was this movie, the Kronenberg movie, and the Schrader movie. All one press screening, all of the same. All of the same time time. But I was still glad that I saw this in a theater though. This is Stephen Soderberg,

by David Kep. It's a very simple story. A family moves into a house. The daughter has recently lost a friend to a drug overdose. So she's like, you know, really down and having a hard time of it. And there is a presence in the house. And the whole movie is just the camera is the ghost. And it's all these like really, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, like, like, like, like, uh, and then some time will pass. And then you're in like the next movement of it. Um, but as like a technical thing, it's really cool, man. I love that Soderberg is still experimenting, uh, like this, you know, uh, it's short also, which is great. But, um, when Soderberg puts down the iPhone, I get interested.

I'm like, hey, hey, let's do it's like, let's make a movie. It's kind of, I guess, because it is slightly gimmicky in the sense that it is just this POV the entire time. My beef with it was like the story is just a little bit underbaked. Like if you were eating the cupcake of this movie, you'd be like, yeah, I can put it down, but wish this had like another minute or so in the oven. Because there's some stuff that like they're setting up that's actually sort of interesting with like Lucy Lou's character. Like, you know, you know, like, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you know, like, it's this, you know, she clearly has, like, it's one thing for the one child and is, like, doing all she can to make sure, like, the son is successful and, like, the daughter's kind of fallen behind, sort of because of that, like, the dad is favoring. The daughter, the dad, I want to look up the guy's name. He's really fantastic.

It's weird. Like, Lucy Lou is the only name. It's the guy from the Nick, I think. The big guy, right? He's cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, he plays the father and just. absolutely fantastic performance. The kids are both good. The daughter has a little more. It's just, but it's cool. At the same time, like, like, there are some parts that you're sitting there. And again, I think it's important to see something like this in the theater, despite the fact that it's like a smaller and scale movie. You do sort of get like tuned in to that POV and you're with it. And then like every once in a while, it does some like weird things. We were like, oh, that's kind of.

of eerie. It's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not over of you or anything like that. But it, it does simultaneously invoke like yeah, the eerieness of all that. But then at the same time it also invokes and it's because of the POV you understand this or sort of feel it a little bit. The fucking loneliness of being a ghost, honestly. And like being like because it starts with like before they move in and the ghost is just kind of like tooling around this empty house. And I just, at least I'm, I don't know if this hit the theater, but I was sitting in the theater, Jesus, like, like, like, like, like, I suck to be a ghost. And then, like, that night I go home and I watch Ghostbusters Frozen Empire where there's literally a scene where Dan Aykroyd tells a little girl that every day of his life, he thinks about what it would be like to be a ghost because he really wants to do it.

And I'm like, no Dan Aykroyd, see this movie. Well, we're all going to be ghosts soon, including Dan Aykroyd, maybe even sooner than us, but you'll get there. and you'll be a presence. It sounds cool, I like that. I like that. It sounds nice and a great, yeah, great comparison here. Greg Buffuto in the chat mentions a ghost story. It's less offbeat than that. You know, the weirdest thing about it is that you are in the POV of a ghost. But I loved a ghost story. I think it's a fantastic movie. But it is not, it's not a one to one, but I could totally see that. And if that was like maybe turning some people off, like this is not that. Although, I wish someone in this movie just sat on the kitchen floor and ate a whole chocolate cake that would be a really fantastic yeah no it's it's a big recommend it actually funny enough

had a better per screen average this weekend than Wolfman Wolfman had a terrible fall down it did not hold in well Not surprised The word about is bad Yeah it has not been doing well Putting it like pretty much up against

we're still got nasferatu fever. Yeah, we do. We're talking vampires here. You got to spread those creepers out. Yeah. I'm wondering if now that, you know, August is like kind of not that traditional like horror dumping ground anymore. Like we're trying to see what the real estate looks like in January because it has been kind of crowded with all this horror. Rory Shard has an interesting point here, but the slimer is the best ghost presence needed him. now thinking about you get the pov but you get the pov the whole time so much of hot dogs are like you're like sticking out of the yeah exactly totally you're like eating a bunch of chitos and then like you're paling around with fin wolfhard and panic oh i think this is just our regular pov yeah eating hot dogs and cheetos like yeah i know what that looks like i got that yeah looking down just seeing it all dumped out underneath you that would be very nice but you're floating but you're

but you're floating you know that's true um um yeah it's actually I just had a thought to complain about something not specifically related to presence but it's neon which I believe this other movie is too if I'm not mistaken then I'm if I am I'm just complaining for nothing but that Jack Quaid what's her face movie companion yes um I got to tell you right now if you

haven't yet yet we come out yet, but it's, but it's coming out soon. I'll tell you, if you haven't yet, avoid the full trailer like the plague. Oh, I was wrong. It's a new line cinema, but I'm going to complain about this anyway. Avoid that trailer like the fucking plague because like that there was a great teaser. Yes. Great teaser. Like it's just weird. You have no idea what's going on. And all they had to do, all they had to do was just beat people over the head with that eerie teaser and you would drum up more intrigue. This trailer spells out It's really annoying. It's got to the I'm really excited for the monkey. The

The Oz Perkins movie. Hell yeah. And that movie has like 14 trailers going right now. They keep putting new trailers out of it. And when I see it in the theater, I go like this because I don't want to watch the, I do not want to watch the trailer. And now I look like I'm scared of it if you're watching it with me. So I'm like, oh, no, it's a monkey. You don't have to even do that. You don't have to even do that.

You don't have to even socials. You don't have to just It's easy enough. Just keep them on. You don't have to hear all any of this shit. I heard about this one. This is the Robbie Williams one. Is that right? You're like, oh, no, no, no, no.

That's what I do in that trailer. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, totally. It's like, no, no, no. I'm American. I'm not allowed to be interested in Robbie Williams. no I think Chris you saw that Robbie Williams movie the Robbie Williams it it look it's a big dumb idea and I do like that but it's also that is one of those movies if you don't love fucking Robbie Williams then you're not going to like it and guess what I do not love Robbie Will he's a very entertaining looking fellow I don't mind rock DJ as far as like radio crap goes but like I don't know or like a any song outside of better man.

quick question on better man then. does the monkey fucker? There is some stuff that would suggest. Oral? I was not expecting that question. Eric is just like, on what side, Eric? Now I have questions. Now I have that question for you.

What side of the oral, uh, uh, uh, uh, are we doing? Does he suck their banana or do they suck their banana? Yeah, it's more suggested. So it's not necessarily a both sides of the ball situation. I didn't get that feeling. I did not get that feeling from the movie, but I can't say for sure. It's more about his relationship with his father. You're not supposed to do that with your father?

Oh, that's, I mean, his stepfather. Oh, that's fine. That's what that's what it's like in their zoo house. sure that's what the prasers porn parody will be in the chat foul was reading my mind they say just makes them think about pearl jam the pearl jam yeah yeah yeah definitely that's uh what i was doing what kind of sitting here right now beast could eddie vedder be oh oh eddie better uh he's a bear i think or a warthog of some type also that could work well whoa yeah i can see a wardhog wardhog the tusks maybe uh yeah i

guess so. I feel like he's a little more laid back these days. It would be not a huge bear. Not like a I think by the way, Big Will over here has got a good question for you, Chris. Is the father in that movie also a monkey? He is not. What the fuck? He's just a monkey. How does

that happen? Her mother was stepping out? It's not explained at all, Eric. I'll be honest. Nobody. Are people acknowledging that he's a monkey? uh, that really. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, he's, uh, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's famous over there. Yes. Like, everybody wants to, like, not everybody, like, not everybody, but more people will want to go see the Robbie Williams movie in the UK. In the USA, nobody gives us shit. Like, like, of course no. And, like, and like, That is part of the ape because they're like, oh, it's just an ape movie.

It's part of the joke. Again, yes, a big dumb idea. And I like big dumb ideas, but it needs more than that. And like anyone, uh, anyone of doing the ape mocap there? I don't believe so. Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, you're right. It is Robbie Williams doing it. Oh, he played his own monkey?

Yeah, you got to play your own monkey if it's your biopic. I don't. It might be for like certain scenes he might have had somebody else come in for like stunts and stuff, but I think it portions of it's an inspirational poster. It's your biopic. It's your own you go. It's this Robbie Williams monkey like hanging, you know, by one arm like a hanging their kitty poster. That's the thing is I kind of do feel like Eddie Vedder. I said Bear and Warfog's not bad, but he also would probably be an ape. He would have to be a monkey of some sort, I feel, just a different kind. It's just, well, they finally made a monkey.

out of me. Like get a gorilla, get him, that would be a gorilla. as a full on gorilla. Coming up to the top of the hour here, just wanted to in and bit you guys with some Star Trek talk here. So I know none of you are going to see it and that's fine. I wouldn't really recommend it to any of you here. Oh, boy. Oh, right. Section 31. This movie, I got to tell you, I read a thing. It was like a write-up of it that was like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I'm like, like, start track discovery that they made into a 95 minute. It's clearly a TV pilot.

Uh, you stitched it together and, you know, if they're using this as like a sort of a barometer to see like, hey, would people be interested in a section 31 spin off show, like, it's not my most of the trick but it's fine enough. this, this on its own is fine, but you're just sitting there like,

this is a TV movie. She's got like a little team of people that they're all just written like NCIS team character. It's that kind of shit. So it just, it's so feels like a TV show. It's a little violent here and there, you know, which is... You know, it's going to make people really excited about your project.

Make it sound like a build that they have to they're, they, they, they, they're going to vote for that nobody knows about. Yeah, of course, section 31, if you've read clearly, section 31 indicates that the egg prices will stay the same. It is it is something that is

understood by like, Trek fans only. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a, section 31 is this, like, top secret part of Starfleet where, like, they basically are the antithesis of Starfleet, which is why I kind of don't like it. um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, uh, uh, it's, you're like, it's, it's your suicide squad kind of situation. It, I mean, this, this does indeed kind of play suicide squad esk with some of the characters

and their fates, you know, um, it is a real like for real, uh, you know, heads only, I mean, specifically for like discovery heads. if you like the character that Michelle Yoleuio, was great on Discovery. It's just like, don't know, don't fucking tell me that this is a movie when it's clearly just written and produced with the budget of

a television show. There's a moment where I could see, like, in the writing, they were like, we have this really great idea for this cool action scene that's like going down this like uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and we're, uh, and it's a cool idea. That looks so terrible.

They're whizzing? Yeah, dude, they whip their fucking precks out and piss all over it. You're in. All right. I'm gonna check this at then. Uh, no, but like, you know, they put in the end of Jones and the mind card shit on like an actual set and that was something. This is like trying to do that with horrendously cheap CGI.

Uh, and, no, but I just wanted to put it out there, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but, uh, uh, and this is something that I was something that I watched last Friday, really for the real heads only. I guess we're in a weird, like kind of new golden age of Star Trek content where we've literally got to the point where they're putting Star Trek out and I'm like, wait, what? Like, I don't even know what the thing is. And I'm like, there's more Star Trek that I can possibly want in my life. Well, now that's taken care of. I believe there's only one show. Oh, right. Discovery and.

bid, lower decks got and so that last season, I think, is airing now or is done. pretend I said that's pretend I said that last year. Oh, no, just change it to Star Wars and you got it. Oh, there you go. I mean, I guess that's the other thing is, you know,

it's a Star Trek thing that they at least put out. So yeah, we're still trying to wheel and deal with Star Trek and see, you know, where it's going and whatever. And I have enjoyed, like, that run of lower decks and discovery, although that last season of discovery I thought was really rushed and bad

they didn't their fault. It's not their fault. It just wound up being a really poor both idea for a final season and just a really poor wrap-up on the whole. But yeah, you know, I would like to see a little better from my Star Trek than Section 31. So we'll see. But we are just now at the top of the hour, folks. A big week here in the WHMU just to remind you about first up, both on the free feed and the ad-free Patreon tomorrow. We're talking

Bad boys ride or die. This is the final episode of a month that has been, just shit we wanted to talk about. It's not the worst of 2024. We could not have been more explicit if we tried. So this puts a cap on that. It was a good discussion about the fourth and likely not final bad boys movie. And by the way, why don't you listen to that whole episode because we announce what the theme

month of February will be. And it's a secret theme month that nobody has. knows about it's secret. By the way, by the Patreon, by the Patreon, that is not going to spoil the for the Gleap glossary. We're going to also include our, at least my thoughts on the skeleton crew. You can hear my complete thoughts. I'll be right there with you. I just, I have to finish the final episode, but I'll be able to do that to weigh in on that Gleap glossary entry. But speaking of Star Trek, by the way, a Thursday, which is a big day, of course, do not forget first and foremost, um, uh, uh, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,

it's the proxie, uh, uh, you're at least. look at that guy, look at that, slippery motherfucker. Yeah, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Anzi. I don't know what Kirk has in his hand there. It looks like a mustard bottle, which is very, um, make you a hot dog.

The TNG is, uh, Jordy LaForge joins the in-cell movement. Yeah. What is the absolute worst. absolute worst characterization of ever fucking filmed. ever was the show. really bad. But both of those on Thursday, yes, yes, the show on

Thursday. It's going to be completely live. You're going to be able to watch us do an episode for the whole thing. There's an after party where we get tipsy and stupid. That's right. So tune in. But that is going to do it for this week.

We hope to see you Thursday night, folks, or in the 14 days after that replay. Otherwise, we'll be back next monday at noon to talk more box office and review hopefully some better movies but we will see uh but until next time i've been andrewing stephen eric siska chris kevin take it easy have a great week y'all bye I don't know.