We Hate Movies - S15: On-Screen Live's Special Coverage of the 2024 Toronto International Film Festival Part 1

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

On this special edition of On-Screen Live, we were live (thanks to the spotty hotel wi-fi holding out) from the 2024 Toronto International Film Festival! In this episode, Andrew and Chris reviewed films they caught during our first two days at the fest, including David Cronenberg's The Shrouds, Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cloud, Joshua Oppenheimer's The End, David Gordon Green's Nutcrackers, Mati Diop's Dahomey & more! The second, and final part of our #TIFF24 coverage will broadcast live on our YouTube and Twitch channels this coming Thursday, September 12 at noon/eastern. The audio from that show will be turned around the following week! Be sure to head to our website for all ticketing information on our final shows of the year in Seattle, Portland (Oregon) & Boston! And don’t miss our worldwide digital event on October 23 where we’re talking Scream 4! Can’t make it the night of? The show has a 14-day replay window after the broadcast! And if you're a Patreon subscriber at the $8 level or up, you can bundle in our exclusive After Party Q&A totally free! That's right, you can watch us vibe and imbibe as we answer audience questions, totally gratis! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies merch-related needs! Including new Bus Movie, Night Vision & Too Old For This Shit designs!  Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

POS. And so much. What's going? on everybody. Welcome on-on, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, international film festival episode. Uh, my name is Andrew Jupin. I'm up here right now, uh, with another butt of mine. Going to bring him in right now. It's Mr. Chris Cabin. Hello there. Hi, everybody. How's it going, dude? It's going all right. You know, I'm in my zone here. I'm watching movies and doing nothing all day. It's pretty

great. That's really where I strive and that's where I do good. that's where I thrive, but I thrive to be in it as much as I can. You know, you know, you're doing what you're just in a different country, a different city. Hey, I mean, I've done it before. I have covered Berlin before and it's a very good feeling to be like, oh man, I'm an internationalist. Hey, everybody. But, you know, it's great. I've never been, I mean, I've been Toronto many times, but I haven't been to the film festival before. Right. This is your first TIF, right? Yeah. It's been how organized they are, not to talk shit with New York film festival, but much more tidier with the control of the audiences and the critics. It is so much better like here, go here, go here, rather than just the great anaconda line that nearly strangles Juilliard. Yeah, it's really like a science up here. I actually heard one time that they actually bring in, there's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and tell you know, and I mean, you're

and, you know, you know, you know, you know, attended this festival before, or, like, a bigger scale film festival, I mean, like, the crowds here are bonkers. And we're not even talking public screenings. We're talking about industry and press screening. So, like, film programmers, buyers, critics, like, there's hundreds of people just walking around this multiplex. And, like, the entire day feels like if you're working there it's like every moment of that day is a movie theater's the day is usually like a set is usually like a set the saturday early evening show it's the saturday early evening show from like 830 in the morning till 11 o'clock at night here i was i was listening to a guy talking yesterday who said that he had seen like 35 in one fest and i was like i just can't like that is if you're doing that And like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and like, uh, and stuff like that, I understand. If you have to write up 35 movies in full, not just like capsules,

whatever, you know, capsules are relatively easy, but like, if you have to write up a full fucking bit about 35 fucking movies, that would drive me completely insane. I would not. That guy, yeah, I mean, that guy has to be a programmer or something. Uh, and he's also staying here like the whole time. Yeah. We're up here for like five days. There's people, um, um, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, we are, we, we, we, we, we, someone's, I'm seeing in the chat here, you know, welcome back. Missed you guys. We missed you all too.

Uh, we're also should say missing our good bud, Eric Siska. He was supposed to join us, uh, on this adventure and get this, y'all. We're leaving for the airport. Wednesday morning. Eric Siska stricken with COVID. Uh, so miss you bud. Hope you're watching. Hope you're fucking feeling better.

better. So we are watching and eating for three. That's a good excuse. That also, that also, that's I've been taking. The amount of carts I've been going through. That would excuse it all. If we're all, if we're just talking about, Eric is here in spirit and taking on a little bit of the load. That it's, it's true. We are missing. We are not, we are not holding up our quotient with the beers, I will say. We are not doing the work. It's sad. Yeah. You know, you know, Eric, I did have a couple of really tasty cocktails, dude, dude, you would have enjoyed. And also, we will be covering the New York Film Festival for Onscreen Live, and Eric will be there fresh out of his fucking COVID slumber. So look forward to Eric's thoughts on end of the year movies, but we have some that we want to get to today.

Basically, the idea, and it looks like, I mean, I'm just, I don't want to jinx anything, Chris, but I've been kvetching about the hotel Wi-Fi. everything seems to be okay. I think we might get through. We can try. We can try. We'll see. We only want to do like an hour. Because actually, folks, we do have to get back to other screenings, of course. It never ends. But so I think the idea is these are movies from yesterday and today that we've seen. So that's kind of the schedule here. And also the cool thing is, folks, this festival is massive. And the way that they do the press screenings is not like, the way they usually do at a time, one at a time, like, like, like 17 things. the cool thing is that means there's so many more movies to watch and sift through and research and everything. Chris and I so far have only seen two movies. There's only two movies that Chris and I have both seen.

Yes. Everything else here, we're going to, like, go back and forth and give our reviews here. But first up, this is something we saw last night. I believe it is. in the midnight, no, no, it could have, it's a centerpiece. It could have, I guess, but it's not, some of this guy's other movies could be midnight madness for sure. A midnight madness guy for sure. I mean, he straddles the line between that and art house. That is his genius, I would say. But like, yeah, I think you could have put this anywhere, really. Actually, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so this is the new one from Kiyosha. It's called Cloud, which is the name of the movie here. And no distributor. on this yet, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you want to start to give a quick, like, what is this about the, uh, the life of a reseller, uh, in Japan. Uh, so people who like buy,

they buy out all the, uh, product from an, uh, one online seller. And then this dude turns it around on his own, like, selling site and, like, ups the prices. He does his own, like, independent. Like, I think a lot of what, uh, he's is that a lot of the other because you see you see the guy buying the other people a lot and like it's a very particular way he has it up on his own little site that he has and you never really get to see what those people tried to do and I think that's on purpose that like you don't really see their selling tactic you only see his selling tactic and it's about what happens when his his business pisses a few people off and he gets a new weird assistant, I guess is the pain, without, without, yeah, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, this movie, you know, when we spoke last night, coming out of the theater and walking back to the hotel, I wasn't as high on it as I think I am now. Uh, I, it sort of let it, like, marinate for a little while. And sometimes that's what you got to do, gang. Like, you just got to

let these things sit with you for a little bit. But, uh, you know, Chris, one of the things that I was complaining about was that it's two hours and things. three minutes and your point back to me was like, well, he's using a lot of that buildup time to sort of low you into a certain kind of, not emotional state, but what were you saying? Like, it's because essentially he's a reseller and the whole point is like he has a very nice life as a reseller. He doesn't really have to do any work. His work is buying things, bring him to his house and then making some posts on the internet, which is not real work, really. I mean, look, look, look, I mean, I think, I think, is, is a huge part of his point is work like that, but it's not real work. And like, it is very easy to become accepting of that and to get comfortable doing that and not really think about things other than continuously making, you know, shipping the product and making money.

And that's all he's thinking about at the, right, in the beginning of the movie. And you're supposed to be okay with it, I think, for the, for a least. the first hour or so and then the things start happening. I liked Josh Lewis, was like, I don't, uh, uh, uh, was like, I don't, I didn't know Kurosawa could make a reservoir dogs. And like, yeah, that's kind of what it ultimately winds up being. It is a weird way he gets there. And I do think, uh, to what you were saying like, because also I would understand the length thing, because the last movie we saw by Kurosawa, uh, was a like 45, minute movie released

only online, which is great. Chime, a really, you should go if you can. But that was a movie that was a movie that felt very much akin to his early days, like CurePulse, the big stuff that really made his career. It's more horror. Yes. Very, very, immediately

recognizable as what it is, I guess, is a way to say it. This, and I hear his French rematch, of his of his of his of his own movie are feel different they're very different. There's an action that aren't like action usually. He doesn't like action usually. Usually what is eerie about his movies is the inaction and like the staying on things and the eerieness of just like kind of getting used to something and then noticing something weird in the background. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

is a lot now. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's, it's, I, I, it's, I, it's one of his better ones in a while. I, I've been a really big fan of creepy, which was, I actually saw at Berlin, uh, I think that was 2016. Um, and he's been, uh, the, uh, the, I think this one also has a lot to do with his relationship with um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, and I don't know if, uh, uh, he, uh, he was his protege. Like, he, he taught him. And I think, right. So, okay, Hamaguchi from drive my car, uh, the big man. The big, man in Japanese cinema right now. He's the biggest guy there is. Uh, evil, evil does not exist as of this year. Right. Um, he, like, what was the, uh, Wheel of Fortune and,

Wheel of Fortune fantasy, And fantasy, His girlfriend Is from the first section of that movie. She's the woman at the center of that one. Got it. But I do think it's And there's also some one or two other Hamaguchi regulars that do show up in the cast

Especially in the second half. And I think it is, I think it's a lot about how Hamaguchi like talking about his influence and all that kind of gave him has, like, like, like, like, like, like, like has, like, like, like he's, like, like, like, he's, like, in the beginning, he's lulling himself. I'm doing the same thing over and over again. It's mostly working. It's, sometimes it does not. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I think that's what he's talking about is, like, it gave him a jolt to be, have this relationship with him, but this relationship is also, there's something weird about it and there's something intimate about it that you can't really talk. talk about with anybody but that person. That would lead to lead to lead to be a very creepy ending. I hope somebody I really do. I think it's a really good movie. Yeah, you know, that's what I was going to sort of close out on for this one. Yeah, no distribution yet. It's kind of interesting. I could see, like, there's so many companies now where I could see this going. Like, I think this would be a good movie movie. I mean, their slate is jammed.

they've been I haven't heard them. I know, I know it's a weird because we're talking about Midnight Madness thing. It would be weird, but I could see Shudder doing something with this.

I could imagine them being able to put a polish on this because it's not exactly horror, but it does have these elements that they like and that their genre pickings are very similar to this. They do have,

especially just thinking on like Asian cinema, there's a lot of just crime movies. on shutter when you sort of stuff. This does like a thriller and then yeah. There's a big the end which Josh is right

if you put stuck in the middle with you on there it's kind of just there's a lot of shooting afoot so we'll see about that but the next movie speaking of movie it does have distribution and it's movie but this one was one that you saw Chris I'll be seeing it at the New York film festival. The new one from Madi Dia though. Oh, hell yeah. It's amazing. I'm so sad. My wife has to be a teacher. Because this is stuff. She was a museum educator for quite a while before she became a teacher. And this stuff, this movie is talking about stuff. She's been yammering in my ear about four years now. And it's about this, the central idea is, I think it was, I want to say it was like 20.

21 maybe, France decided to return 26 pieces, which was known as the kingdom of Dahomey beforehand. And it's essentially about the transportation and the discussion around the returning of those 26 pieces. because it was 26 out of the number they quote in the movie is 7, fuck and if you know anything I've read anything I'm sure as of recent there have been a lot of articles about this stuff about how like the VNA is a horrible perpetrator with this thing they just have stuff that they should be returning like Victorian Albert Museum in London they had a lot of they're the people who run their PR have not been sleeping well. There's been some statements. There's been some statements, but this stuff, but this takes a completely, uh, uh, uh, this takes a completely original look at it. Not only does she, uh, use, there's like a voice of the artwork that comes in and out throughout the movie, this weird, like guttural sounding voice, um, that adds this mystical element to it that is very, I think. Also, she spends a lot of time with a, there was a open discussion, an open forum really for people when the artworks came, came home discussing what it means that they were being returned. Is it a slap in the face or is it like hope inducing? Right. Is it the, is it the, is it the, is it the, uh, uh, uh, is it's the, uh, is it's the, uh, uh, is it.

Yeah. Yeah. What a favor I'm doing. Here's seven, you know, whatever many pieces back. Not the greatest guy. So like, you wonder if it's, is just a PR move, but all, or is it a PR move for the president of Benin? Like that, that's something they also discuss. And it's in that discussion and cutting that between, um, like the first exhibitions. of the work and people coming in these like unbelievable these traditional like wardrobes these traditional like and all this stuff that are really incredible

and are also like symbols of their culture right and like things that have stretched overseas it's become a global like it is about globalism in its way because it is about what does it mean that this thing is no longer just yours can it be yours again is that possible

under what we currently have I think it suggests a lot of this It does all this in 67 minutes, dude, man, just, God bless you. I was really, for personal reasons, uh, uh, uh, sunk into it. But I think anybody would really enjoy this. That's, yeah. Uh, and if you haven't seen Atlantics, uh, one of our previous films, Primo, Primo stuff there. You're on Netflix?

I'm pretty sure. I mean, it's, it's around somewhere. If not, you'll be able to find it. Okay, to me. I caught something yesterday I'd been very much to you. the grand prize. It was nominated

didn't get it, but it won the prize at con this year. It's a film called All We Imagine as Light by Paial Capadia. This is out. At some point, I would guess they might try to do this for the end of the year from sideshow and Janice films, maybe early

next year. Basic gist of the story is it follows two women in Mumbai who are working as nurses and the younger girl has to move in so they're roommates and they lead to completely different lives. The older woman is already in an arranged marriage and her husband lives in Germany like full time and has been over there for years and it's one of those like yeah I used to hear from him and now that communication is less and less and less and like that's her existence meanwhile like there's a doctor at the hospital that's totally into her and you know so that's her thing and then the other woman is really not about that traditional living does not want to have an arranged marriage and in fact has like a little got a fella on the side and so it's like the ten that kind of come out of the tensions and also like the tensions of society this is pilot Caputti is follow-up to a night of knowing nothing which was really good

yeah it was really worth I think last time I saw I was on Criterion channel if you want to check yeah but really really worth checking out if you haven't it's a it's a beautiful film but it's also like nonfiction and this This is a fiction film, but it is just absolutely gorgeous. I was trying to find, I think in the copy they might mention the cinematographer. No, I think I maybe read that someplace else. I'm in front of me, but it is, it's a gorgeous movie and it has this really, like, breezy's the wrong word, but it just has this really watchable indie movie vibe to it, complete with like third act, brief road trip kind of thing. you know, like a, like a, like a very, like a very, uh, uh, uh, you know, you know, you know, you know, we've been the whole movie to this other place and revelations happen here. Um, it's just, it's, it's, it's absolutely stunning, I have to say. It's a beautiful movie and, uh, I've,

I've talked about this on the air a lot. I know, Chris, you've heard me yammering for years about it. Back in, oh, force, and I've, I've been doing this for 20 years, uh, when I was watching, uh, when I was watching the film before sunset, got to what turned out, I didn't know it at the time. was like, wow, that's a great last shot. And in my head, I said, like, please link later, let that be the last shot of your movie.

And it was. And that sort of set me off on this when I'm watching movies. Now, sometimes if I feel the movie's coming to an end and there's a really great shot, I'm like, ooh, kill it there. Kill the lights. Come on, do it. this movie fucking has that it is just a gorgeous

it's a fucking shot you want to frame and put on your people would be like who took that photograph and you can say it was from this amazing movie I'm so glad and I didn't know going into it that it had distribution and up comes the side show and Janice logo

and I was like it's in good hands I think I think they know how to handle movies like this. We were talking last night because it is so because it looks just the stills even looks so like beautifully shaded as compared to a night of knowing nothing is all black and white. And it's all like really grainy footage. It's a completely different aesthetic from the looks of it. It's just a kind of amazing to have that have that much personality in two hits and not have to like excuse yourself, not to have to do anything to be like, oh, just to do it, not excuse it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it, it, it, it just very neo-realist feel. There's so much time spent on, like, just photographing streets of Mumbai and people, and it just, Mumbai is such a character on screen in the film too. On the one hand, on the one hand, like, like, sort of sensibilities from a storytelling standpoint, but then from a filmmaking standpoint, yeah, just, you know, whiffs of

neorealism going on. So it's just, it's a really, really special movie and, you know, keep your eyes peeled. It will be, you know, available at art houses and, you know, on the criterion channel at some point. I think it's also at New York film festival, if so, I will be seeing it. I can't wait to see it. Yeah. Yeah. No, big recommend. All right. Back to you, my friend, you saw something just yesterday. This is the seed of the sacred fig. Yes, Muhammad Rousseloff. Apologies if I have the name wrong. I think I, I listened to it twice to figure this out, because I do really love this guy. He was, he was, he was. He was, he, He recently, he recently had to flee from Iran, he's been making some really, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and, uh, uh, uh, uh, and, uh, he made a movie that was essentially three vignettes about, uh, the death penalty was, uh, one of his more recent ones called, there is no evil. Uh, it was very good. It had distribution. I forget who had it. I think you can, it shows up on criteria and occasionally. Uh, this one, I mean, this one, this was a jury, I think this, the, the, this, the, this, the, this

got a special jury prize at Cann. It is a huge leap in terms of his style, it's just such a humongous leap into something that's much bigger, much weirder, but has still his concerns are baked into it. It's about essentially an investigator judge in Iran who is essentially a, you know, he has a name like that. but what he goes to do every day is to do every day is to do every day to rubber stamp death penalties uh and he is occasionally asked to actually investigate but because they have so many uh in the country uh he like and he's being demanded to get through it get through it because we have 300 more coming in we got all these people to kill stamp those fucking things and it's about essentially his uh decline and his family's decline from the after effects of that as well as the recent uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, women, take them off and burning them. Uh, that is, has a lot to do with with what happens, uh, as far as deterioration goes. Now, when you say the decline of the family, like, it's a dude, like the toll it takes on him and then trickles down to the family, like the toll of the job. It's interesting. I mean, that's what's interesting about the structure is. is that it starts very much with him for about 30 minutes. And then it's just his wife and his daughter's a good hour before his story kind of comes back in. You see him.

He comes in and like the connections are very well threaded throughout of what's going to. Like you can you can see what's going to come together, but you don't see how. And what it does, he takes such a huge leap, especially in the last like 20 minutes. and I've seen people not somewhat not okay with this. I think I think it's great. I'm all about push the buttons. If it gets weird emotions, that's whatever. You know, you can, next time you'll be able to hone it.

That's not a big deal. Better than no reaction at all. Exactly. And like, whereas I do really like a man of, another one of his, a man of integrity, which is very good, and there is no evil. This one I love. Like, I could see this winning a bunch. It has some of the most of the most, most, we were just talking about images.

And his most interesting uses, his palette is very dull. It's very browns, grays, whites, blacks, beige's, stuff like that. This, there's a lot more, like, what Wenders would do with neon light, he does with other kinds of light in these very tricky and interesting ways that really do highlights. how far how far he wants to go with it. The last shot is also is also, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, he, he, he does a smart thing. And he does a spikely and he has a lot of, uh, footage of actual protests after

the last image. Uh, so like, and, end of black Klansman kind of. There's, there's a lot throughout, uh, he uses a quite a lot of, uh, I think to the movie's, uh, benefit uses a lot of actual footage from YouTube, TikTok of these protests, what's been happening. also the retaliation. There's a lot of a police brutality in it that is not so easy to watch. That's fucking. That's fucking. That's, yeah, that's, that's boots on the ground death penalty out there. It's, I know it's, I think this is also, oh, no, neon has this. And this will be probably a big one for the foreign Oscar. I have such a hard time imagining this doesn't get attention. And especially after the reaction. action, who knows? Oh, who knows? Um, um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I really, I think you should see it as soon as you possibly can. Even, if you're in Toronto right now, you should absolutely try to find a ticket to this thing. Yeah, seriously. Let me look up, uh, for anyone in Toronto right now, uh, you got public screenings coming up on the 11th and the 12th.

Uh, man, 9 p.m. and 8.45 p.m., that's cruel, considering it's a two hour and 47 minute runtime. And it's not It's not going to send you're like It's not good, you're going to have a couple You're going to have a couple ideas That are going to be kicking around there for a little bit So complete shift in direction now Film I caught

With our budge Josh and Jamie from the Slezoid's podcast Yesterday morning I the executioner Is the name of the motion picture here directed by Ryu Sung Wan. This movie is a sequel. I went in kind of not knowing. I'm trying to see. The name of the movie is veteran. Yes. From 2015. So, you know, nine years later you have the sequel. So basically it is a, I don't know if you could tell from the still here. This is a kick-ass fight that people are having in the rain right here. But this is not an art movie at all. It's art in its own way. This is a fucking action, kind of comedy.

It actually, it dances on the edge of a knife with like, yeah, it's about a pretty brutal serial killer. But then also it's very funny throughout. Like the opening sequence, and I guess the original is also like this. or the first film, it's about this team, so here's this team, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and it is just gold, Jerry, like, you know, the laughs at, like, action sequences that involve vicious punches to the nuts, uh, that kind of stuff, you know what I mean? And so, so think of that, like, all that shit's going on, right?

Um, I don't remember the tune, but like, as this gambling hall, is clearing out. These people are fleeing. There's some, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and everything. There's some, like, crooner tune playing. And, uh, it is just fucking hilarious. So, like, that's how it starts. And then it goes into this, like, the main part of the story is, there is a serial killer out there, uh, who's basically, he's had it up to here with the Korean authorities, uh, about, like, letting criminals off or not getting harsh enough sentences. This guy's kind of like taking shit into his own hands. What he's doing is finding people who are let off on like murders and doing those murders to those perpetrators. So like there's a dude who fucking killed someone and like burn them with cigarette butts all over. This serial killer goes and finds the guy and does that to him. Like it's that kind of thing. So the cops are trying to find. this guy

it kind of just goes from there. It was kind of because Josh was like the most the most easily identifiable twist a movie and I would just it's so there that I don't think they try to have a twist. There's just a turn in the movie where it lets you in on who the killer is so that like the mystery of it goes away

which I think is fine. It adds to the cat and mouse nature of it. but man, man, was a two hours uh, uh, uh, I really, I don't, I don't know that I'd seen any other, uh,

Ryusung Wan films. Like, I haven't seen smugglers. I haven't seen veteran. So like, this was a completely new director for me. And I was blown away. Like the filmmaking is so active. The camera is doing so much fun stuff. It looks good. I mean, like,

it's just pure. pure entertainment. uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and top of, uh, uh, so like, like, so like, content of seven sort of, but much lighter and airy at times. I mean, look, I mean, there's, uh,

serial killer movies recently, because you, you, you're saying this, it reminds me a lot of, um, there's a, I'm not, I would butcher his name because I, I didn't look it up. Uh, Johnny Toll's old writer and directing partner, made a movie, I think it's like two years ago now called the detective versus sleuths. That is very similar to that. But it's, it's about like a detective versus the gang of people trying to do the revenge kind of thing. I mean, as far as the serial kill, every time a serial killer movie came out like in the last 10 years, I've been like really, really skeptical. And recently I've been like, I could take a few more. If you, if you, If you got more for me, I will, I will take, I will take, I will start watching these again now. I'm, I'm, I'm happy to hear, I want to watch veteran now just to have it in my head when, whenever this comes out. Exactly. And I asked Josh, like, I was like, I followed that movie. So I don't think it was too beholden to info from the first one. And he said, no, they kind of reference the case from the first movie at one point. But otherwise, like, I was able to watch this totally fine. But yeah, no distribution. This. is something that I can see going to well go USA. Well go. Well go. Well go. Well go. It's awesome. They do such a great job on bringing in a lot of Asian genre stuff. Oh, man. So like well go or variance films. Variants. Amazing dudes over there at variance. Like they get variances who brought RRRR here and did all those bookings and everything. So like I could see it going to one of those two places. And I think they their buyers definitely need to look into it. If they're not.

already. I would assume, they just had a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but a, uh, of the God's walled in, which is so fucking good. Oh, I got to see it. It's really, really worth, uh, by, uh, okay. Yang, who is just one of the best directors, uh, to come out of Hong Kong so long. Uh, but, uh, I would love to see them take something like this. It sounds like exactly the kind of thing they do pick up. So I would, I would be surprised. Exactly. You know, and barring that, like, maybe it's a thing where the New York, equivalent is like, it gets one screen at the empire, you know, you know, that's just where the audience like, like, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, so we'll see. But man oh man, folks, if I, the executioners

anywhere around you, uh, definitely give it a pass, uh, and, and check it out. Um, so we're going to go into another one that is I will be catching at the New York film festival, uh, but Chris, this is the new one from, uh, Jaya Jankai. caught by the tides is the the tides, yes, yes, once again, at the buyer's market side show and Janice films, this is them also. Yeah, I think they've been working

on some restorations of some early Jean-Cue stuff, and I think this is probably just like in line with that. They probably want to be able to put out a couple of his. I heard, I don't know if it's true, I heard they're working on an unknown pleasure's restoration which would be fantastic, like early arts, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like that's, it just, it just gets blown out all the time. If they're doing a bunch of those restorations, I wonder if they might be getting a, like, a Jez-Jan-Ki equivalent of their, like, world of Wangar-Wi traveling thing that they did.

That would be great. I would buy the shit out of that. Yeah. If they did, if they put platform out on Blu-ray, I'm going to have to have it. You know, this is, if anybody's been following his work, this is very much in line with, what he's been doing lately the last movie was was swimming out to the sea turns blue

which was all about writers from China and like ones that he personally had some camaraderie with and like felt something about their writing that inspired him so it's weird we haven't actually had a fiction

from or a narrative feature from him since 2018 which is Ash's Pierce White which is phenomenal oh Jesus it's been that long in a very long time. I'm sitting here like I'm sitting here. It's been a while. And like, and, and, uh, uh, and, uh, swimming out till the sea turns blue was 20. So nobody remembers it was in the, in the nothing year. Um, so this, he, what's interesting about this movie and it's true of a lot of his movies. It feels like he's, uh, revisiting things in a new light. Like he's bringing back ideas he had, characters he had even, uh, uh, Like this, like this, like this, like this, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it's like, like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, like, uh, it's, it's a hard movie to really, like, it's, uh, it's a hard movie to really describe, because it is this, uh, almost musical thing, like, uh, it's a lot of dancing, uh, shots of people dancing and, like, like, like, like, people in clubs, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , uh, uh, she's been in all of his movies. She is there, and she's front and center.

And the last like 20 to 30 minutes, it settles into a kind of narrative space. Uh, but until then, it is a lot of weird decision, a lot of weird camera angles. He's just like trying stuff out. It's, it felt my, my first thought was Godard because he just died. Uh, so maybe that had some effect on him. I don't know. Uh, uh, uh, uh, so maybe that had some effect on him. but that was that was the first thought I had is I think somebody to Cubism almost. I think it was

The great Will Sloan. And he that is it like there's this weirdness to the first hour and 20 minutes or so of this movie that you can't really pin what he's doing but he does seem to be plucking from old movies like footage he didn't use

from old movies and repurposing him into this story of this character like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, um, and he makes that, like, whereas his, his, his other movies have been much more crime-centered. There's a narrative pull to it. This feels a lot more, uh, chaotic. And I think that's a reflection of what his country is going through right now. Sure. Uh, as, uh, it, it, it affected me eventually, at first, I didn't know what he was doing. And then eventually I was like, well, I see a pattern here. And then when he settles in at the,

the end, you kind of what he was trying to say, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, a good amount of his um, I feel like every time I watch a film of his, like, I'm sitting there for at least 30 minutes like, gosh, what's going on during this movie? And then like eventually, like a key turns and you're like, oh, you know what I mean? Like you do have this moment of like, oh, it's all coming together and now this makes perfect sense. I definitely had that with, uh, what was the triptychic that he did. Are you think of a touch of sin? I believe so. I remember specifically like at the Walter Reed for the New York film festival. I'm like 40 minutes into the movie. It was like, oh, it's cool when that happens. You realize like, oh shit. Now I'm like geared in. Now it's

making sense. Well, I mean, it makes sense that like in the decade like a touch of sin was a big movie for him. It got him a lot more attention than he. And then, uh, I think it was that was probably, would you say that was probably his, the movie of his, in America? possibly, though, uh, uh, uh, uh, his early stuff did have like a real, like Hoberman was really championing him. A lot of like big critics were really going for him in the early days. But touch as sin into the mountains may depart into Ash's purest white do seem like the ones that had the most attention. Uh, yes, indeed from importance of these, he's, uh, a great

Will Sloan. Will Sloan. We had our good buddy sucked. Thank you suck. And I do think after you make three movies like that, to me are like nearly perfect if not. Like you do kind of want to play right. You're like, well, I've done this well. So now I'm gonna try a doc.

I'm gonna try this weird collages thing I'm doing here. It's something. It's worth it if you really love him love what he's been doing. I think he'll get a lot of it. I do not think it's the best for a first time. Okay. I think you would be a little lost if this was your first time into his world.

But definitely worth it for the heads out there. Yeah. Oh, for sure. And then, yeah, Janus side show films again. Okay. Now again, man, get ready for a gear shift like you've never experienced from that to

the substance. That's right. The substance, y'all. The new and from Coralie Farja who if you have not seen, speaking of Shutter, it's on there was a Shudder original, I believe, her previous film, Revenge. Fun movie. Oh, my God. Like the last, I mean, I dug that movie when it came out. I caught the last like 1520 on a rando, like, shutter TV night and was just reminded all over again about how great that movie is. And I am happy to report

That this film, Um, um, um, she's, um, she's, um, Uh, uh, uh, we'll say full disclosure. This is not something I saw on, on, uh, ground here at Tiff. I caught it, uh, about a week and a half ago in New York, but it's part of the festival, so I did want to mention it, but basically this is the movie. You may have heard rumblings about already, uh, because I played can already, um, Demi Moore

Wow is she she's back in a big way It's her and Margaret Qualley The two characters Basically the gist of the movie is Demi plays a Jane Fonda-esque Aerobics Kind of person who was like super big in the 80s

And now like is aging out of that field Air quotes for the people listening to the podcast there around aging out and so she is going to be let go by her shithead played by in a best that he's been in I don't even know how long Dennis Quaid

because we were just we were talking on the air I think in an upcoming season 15 episode we just recorded talk with Jay about Reagan which is an atrocity but he's, to be fair, I give him, about that movie. He is very good in the, um, um, um, um, um, the TV show, yes, full circle, I think it's called, um, or the, the circle, full circle's in it.

It's Alex Winter is in that movie. Love that guy. Yeah, yeah. He's wearing the absolute best suit I've ever seen in my life on that show. Um, but so, yeah, Quaid as the scumbag network executive guy, real piece of shit, uh, performance seems to him. From in there. From the heart. So basically, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, basically, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the body horror portion of the show. Basically, Demi finds, she gets a secret, mysterious message. Hey, if you do this, you know, medical thing, use the substance. Another one of you younger and whatever will come into existence. I really, you know, I really, you know, really, can you tell I'm struggling how much. because I mean, it is fine.

I tell you don't read about it. Don't read a plot description. Don't read film festival copy. Just know that like it is a body horror film par excellence with amazing practical effects. Some real scuzz-feeling Los Angeles vibes. And just these two great performance. in DeMe, um, um, um, um, um, I, I, I was really, um, um, I, I was really, um, I was,

wow, uh, and then like, like, 20 minutes goes by and you're like, whoa, they're really doing that. And then the movie reaches its conclusion and you're like, well, holy shit, that was a movie. I mean, it is, it is the wildest movie I've seen this year. I think it will be, you know, it will be in my best of list. I'll tell you, it's, uh, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's, uh, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's got to see something else. Um, cause it gets gross, friends. Oh, does it get gross? Uh, it gets so gross that you're, like, disgusted and then it keeps going and it keeps going to the point where it then just becomes funny. And it just, I mean, it just works. And she pulls it off magnificently, uh, Coralie does. And I mean, just,

my fucking hat is off to her. She made, she made, she made, she made, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, fucking good. And, man, these guys expanding their portfolio, mooby has this. This is a movie release. How fucking cool. Like, listen, if there were, if you had to say a distributor you want to go work for right now, I would say it's either mooby or it's neon. And that's my story and I'm sticking to it. But the substance just, and also like, it's saying something. Like the, like the best of any genre cinema. Yes, gross outgues, practical effects, you know, you know, but it's also saying something in a big bold way.

So it's probably one of my biggest recommends out of the festival. Nice. I'm very much looking forward to it. I miss the screenings before we left. And I don't know if we're talking about the end next, but I saw the end rather than going on Josh Lewis had what I was I was I was I was I was I was caught by the tides with him this morning he was packed this P and I was slammed and I went off to the end which was also slammed um they did the midnight it was actually funny I was sitting here in the hotel room and they were doing the midnight madness screening yeah and I'm sitting here like looking at the clock and I'm like oh yeah there's hundreds of people that are totally grossed out and having an awesome time right now now. I will put it I will put it too. I'm just

I don't know. I'm probably already said it but these are some performances and these women really go for it. So the end is not next Chris but talk about a gear shift once again. Well sure. Nothing follows up a discussion of the substance with your review of the new Hong Sang Su film.

Perhaps the most genteel filmmaker that has ever been. Yeah. I don't know what this this dude's idea of a body heart movie would be. I don't know if he could do horror. That just doesn't sound like his, um, um, um, um, um, um, I mean, there are definitely feelings, like, awkwardness horror that he has, uh, plumbed before certain, uh, dinner table scenes where you're like, oh my God, oh God, please stop. And like, it's not, it's not gonna stop. Um, I mean, I'll make a quick with, with this, because, uh, anybody, you're there a song soup person or you're not. It's a very easy thing. I, I was just

I would not start with his last like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, quote-unquote crappy, can the image get. He's using it for more experimental ideas, which I really do like, I like that he's doing it. I like the Sodaberg's doing it. I think that's very much in his way, because, and he has talked about it, why he does that is because you can get a movie made in ten days with these little cameras, you don't have to, and with the setups he does, it doesn't take too long. It's usually one static shot of one thing. So this one is about a theater teacher and an old actor director who comes back, her uncle, the theater teacher uncle, and their relationship. he starts a romance with her old professor. They are both working with a group of girls a short play for a festival if they're going to do. There is all other means. As anybody who knows anything about Sing Su, there are all little pockets of drama along that way that he plums. There's the old director, the old writer of it was sleeping with all the girls, so therefore he's not there. But he's not there. he comes back a couple times. I mean, I mean, it's hard not to say, like, and Alan are really the two things you have to think of with him. Even now, even with the polish, like, gone. It's still those kinds of movies. I love them. I remember I was thinking very much of Vince Vaughn's recent comments about adult movies and, like, how you don't really get movies about what just people go through on a day-to-day basis anymore. And, like, these movies are super.

super, super, super, super, so I, so I really liked this one, I don't think it's here, it will be at Newfound Festival of Travelers Needs, which is his second one this year. He has done three in a year before. He has, the motherfuckers don't do that. It's crazy. It's insane. It's insane that he has this kind of output, but I was really taken by it. It's a really sweet movie.

It's actually a lot more sweet nature than his movies usually are. There's usually a little bit more darkness to them. This one was very. Okay. uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , uh, there, there's, uh, there's something in the back, uh, and he probably had a chance to bring something darker in, but he didn't, uh, but that's, he's, he's done it before. So I don't, I don't mind him doing it, be a little more sweeter

on this one. Uh, and it, hey, you know what, Cinemagilt, thank you for keep on putting out these guys movies. It's been fun. You know, you know, it's funny. I find his movies, I mean, but when I tell you, the amount of times I've seen these three exact people sit around a table and fucking talk about something while drinking soju and eating good food and then just quietly going for a walk. I mean, you know, what you say about like, oh yeah, you know, with this tiny equipment, you know, the setups are really quick and blah, blah, blah. And it's true. And you can get things made, but the scope. with which you can work is very limited. and it's, I don't want to generalize his filmography the dude's under 60s made like 50 movies or something. It's an insane number of movies. But

when I'm there, I'm like, yeah, okay. He's a director where it's like, if it's on and I'm staying for something after it, yeah, I'll check it out. Someone points out in the chat. Just want to, uh, Let's see, right button. Let's see, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, let's see. It's see on the, uh, uh, but the woman who ran, uh, did it.

That's a good movie. One of, one of his best of the, of the recent vintage. Uh, I mean, it's really been like the last six, uh, where he's been going into this, like, in water, which is all out of focus. Uh, yeah. Thanks, man. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll catch you on the next one with that director, Hong. for a movie for a movie. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good for a movie. It's good. It's like it's like, it's like, it's good. You know, it's ridiculous. But like you, you don't see too many guys who are really playing with the form anymore. And like him and Soderberg are the two that are the most prominent and who get, you know, picked up still, who get distributed still. So I kind of, even when I'm less, there have been a few that I've been, um, I mean, I just love the vaughan thing. I just like, I just like that this is a movie about things that they've held back and not held back. Like things that are very simple like that. I do, I have a kinship with. But yeah, it's not for everyone.

And but I would say the woman who ran is a good place to start. It's a really good one. Yep. Totally agree. All right. I want to keep motoring through here because we don't want to go too much past the hour, especially you have a, you have a screening before I do, I think. it might be that way around. Anyway, one that we go. One that I caught just this morning. The luckiest man in America. This is from director Samir Oliveros. No distribution just yet. But this movie is, you see him right here. I can get him out with my guy. Paul Walter Houser. Of course, from Richard Jewel and a thousand other appearances in that. Excuse me, you're not, you're not, one of the, one of the, the, the feisty dogculele, how could I think of, um, so he is, uh, he's playing a dude Michael Larson. This is based on a true story. Uh, Michael Larson was a guy who appeared on the American game show, Press Your Luck, uh, and was able to game the game. And, uh, so the, you know, it's like, him taping this thing, Walton Gogh is playing the host of the game show. And the woman Pops up in bits Oh, Patty Harrison. Patty.

Patty is on the panel. There's another dude who I don't know. And they're like the three contestants. And so basically it's like you're trapped in this TV studio because the whole thing was like he was able to game it so that he kept being able to play and no one else would get a turn. and so he just kept

up the scoreboard he just he just he basically he was tricking the game I don't want to give too much away but so you're stuck in the studio with like the producer played by David Strathair and he's got like a network person at CBS breathing down his neck about what's going on

this guy's costing us all this money don't you vet these people it's that kind of a thing it's kind of just a not good quiz show. If you want to, you know, I mean, it's not, I think the filmmaking is just really boring. I mean, when you're stuck in a tiny TV studio, you either have to do your best to make the movie not feel like that or lean into the claustrophobia. And this just kind of falls in the middle and the filmmaking doesn't do anything to boost those vibes at all. And you know,

Paul Walter Houser's doing his thing. David's straight there and saying, fuck up and the block, which is great. Shemir Anderson has a supporting role as like, Aaron's second in command. that dude fucking kicks ass. He's kind of the best part of the movie. But yeah, I don't know that I can recommend it because the whole time, you know,

I was thinking to our brother in Pod, Steve Sadek, who loves Quiz Show, one of his favorite movies. And I was like, one of my favorites. Steve would be so mad right now. He would be so mad because this is, it's like poor Quiz Show. You know, like, like, like, maybe, you're on a plane maybe. And this has found distribution, it's quick. But, uh, uh, overall did not really vibe for me.

Uh, but he does look fantastic playing this Michael Larson character, uh, except it is, it's a bad wig and you can tell, uh, pretty easily. Um, all right, because you mentioned, uh, this earlier, but this is the narrative, uh, feature debut from Joshua Oppenheimer, the known documentary. and this is the end. uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and, and, and, and, like, like, it's, it's, it's, it's a big boy. It's, it's, it's a big premise. So I kind of give it a long leash on those. Like, it's, it's about a family, an oil, uh, tycoon magnates family has been, after the apocalypse has been

living on in a, like, very extravagant bunker they built in a salt mine. that he has purchased at some point. they don't really get into he got the assault mine. and then one day somebody shows up. And it's about how they react to that. What happens with that?

It's got an incredible cast. It is really, really, it's a good movie. I can't say I loved it. It's trying, it's a little too polished. What is trying is a little too, I do think is a little too metaphorical

in certain in certain ways and like there's a lot of trickery going on it looks like um there's a lot of stuff there it doesn't quite hold together as I wanted to but for something this big and this ambitious I kind of give it the thing I haven't been saying is it's a musical uh yeah pretty don't bury the lead there yeah song and dance about yes uh more song than dance but there is some dancing um And it's really there, there, there, there are some images that are really strong, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's, it's one of you can, you can't really see the actual ending of things, but you can see the trajectory. You know where, where we're heading to, you know where we're getting off at least. Um, and to that, like, that always bums me out a little bit when I can call it a little, not, not like,

like, I got it. It's just like, I'm like, I kind of know where we're going and it brings me there anyway. I can't really, but then again, but then again, because the performances Tilda. Tilda, Tilda, Tilda, is amazing in this. And I think a lot of people have forgotten how good she can be. She is fucking insane in this movie. Um, nice. George, uh, George McKay from the Beast, um, who is also great. Michael Shannon is the, uh, oil magnate. Uh, he's very, very good in it. Does he does he does he does he does he does he does he does he does. Oh, I'm so tickled already. I can't wait. It's all mostly those three. Lenny Jam shows up but he barely sings. Moses Ingram is in the cast. She sings. She's great. Yeah it's the story just kind of goes never quite goes into the darker places you want but the thing I do have to give it is that he is he is dealing with the same ideas that he was with in the act of killing and how we create narrative as a way to like not dealing with like, painful, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, personal tragedies or things that we have done, guilt. Um, okay.

I think that that is baked into the story. That is a part of it. Um, so I, I kind of see the connection and I see why it's very much about whiteness, uh, and how that, how narrative, have fueled that. Again, again, I like how big it is. I like how weird it is. It is one of those movies where I think you get more elementally by being a documentarian. Like things are just come out more urgently. Things, like the things they do in that movie to create narrative and to create like fantasy are so striking because they break out of that urgency so quickly. Since you are, since you, since you're in a narrative world, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the filmmaking hasn't changed at all, really, uh, to fit the narrative space. I just find him a much more stronger documentarian so far. I would love to

see what he does after this. There's a lot of interesting things going on here, and the script is very, very interesting. Um, I, I, it's one of those movies where you might love it. You might hate it. I'm mostly in the middle. It shows a lot of promise. I'd be, I'd be, I'd be, uh, I'd be, uh, I'd be like to hear the discussion for sure. Interesting man. Uh, yeah, no, I'll be checking it out. This is another neon one. It's, it's fucking interesting, man. They have, they got some good buyers on that team. Um, yeah, you know, the act of killing to just say something about a Josh Oppenheimer film that I've seen already. I mean, boy, oh boy, folks. That's, uh,

that's not something to watch on a cloudy day. I'll tell you that much. you wait you wait you wait you wait you wait you wait out because that one will really put you in a very bad mood um um zeb 364 uh commenting on luckiest man in america says sounds like another movie uh put in the bin labeled should have been a documentary or a documentary series series series series things we got to fucking stop it folks quite a lot and money, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you understand it's a business model and I, you know, you know, so we just got a couple more here, um, a director that I really like, but boy, sometimes he makes it hard, David and Gordon Green's new one, nutcrackers, uh, which no distributor yet on this puppy, uh, but that'll, that'll quickly change. You know, Exorcist Believer is one of my life. I've ever seen, hands down. But David Gordon Green is a great filmmaker who's made movies that I absolutely love. And I will say with Nutcrackers, while I didn't love it, it's nice to see him out of a big studio mold.

I mean, those three Halloween films, which I think he had some movies in between. but then, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, or at least, you know, shelved for retooling or whatever it is. He gets to make this very little movie, and not little as insignificant, little is it's just a smaller movie. With Ben Stiller, he plays a guy who loses his sister and brother-in-law in a car accident, and he has to go to the, the small farm town in Ohio where they live and take care of their four boys until a social played by Linda Cardalini can find the kid's placement in a foster home or group home or whatever. So very small human story, much like on the level we met David Gordon Green at before Pineapple Express, you know, and all that. So it was cool to see that sort of reset for him or a revisit,

you know, you know, stiller's really great in the movie. The four boys are great. They're actually four real-life brothers. And it's just, it's a nice little movie. It's weird having to watch it, you know, the week after Labor Day. It's a Christmas movie, you know, insofar as Nutcrackers, we are referring to the Nutcracker suite. And there's the sister was a ballet instructor and she, she taught the thing at the boy's like the thing at the end of the movie. It's not really a festival copy. It's going to be a much more significant part of the film than it actually is. And I'm sitting there like, when are we going to address the fucking ballet elephant in the room? And they get there and it's fine. My beef with it is that like from the jump, you know, exactly where it's going. You know, I mean, from me explaining, you know, summarizing the plot, you can figure it out. So when you have those kinds of movies, it's all about the journey to get there. This was a pretty okay journey. It's stiller definitely in like indie kind of more serious role. There's not like a can you deal with that like Ben Stiller moment in the movie. He doesn't stiller out. We call that bomb balking when you decide to take it back a step. Just be a little bit more even keel. We're dealing with. serious subject matter here. You don't do the hobbiti, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, it's, and it's, and it's not like, you know, he's proven that time and again. But it's not like schmaltzy. I'm thinking about, like, Secret Life Walter Middy kind of Ben Stiller, which that movie's, that movie was nice and, and whatever, but, you know, the schmaltz was tough. Quite something. So, the kids are all, you know, like, like, like, you know, like, you know, you know, the kids are all, you know, the kids are all, you know, the kids are all, you know, you got a good, oh, man, now I'm going to forget the fellow's name. Oh, let me see here. Toby Huss in a supporting role.

I love Toby Huss. What I wanted more of, I'll tell you right now, because it's 104 minutes, so it's not terribly long, but more of loser town cop played by Tim Hydecker. I mean, I mean, but, he shows, it's like, but, but I'm like, but I'm like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, David Gordon Green can make other movies about stories from this town. Sure. And one of it's Tim Heidecker. It's just he's, I mean, he's great. Love Heidecker.

Um, so no distribution on this sucker yet. It would be, you know. Weird. Weird not to pick this. I, I would assume, like, some streamer is going to pick this up before Christmas time. and make it, here's our big Christmas movie, hey, look, and I mean, what he's been, other than the, uh, uh, uh, exorcist movie, he's always been good at, uh, the lead performance is usually very good. Uh, yeah, that's true of stronger. That's true of, um, the Pacino movie, Mangalhorn,

uh, oh, right. Yeah, I forgot about Mangalhorn. That's true. I mean, like, even like Joe and Prince avalanche, all the, all those like he did, uh, after the, uh, the, uh, after the, um, the, the big, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , um, um, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I like him in this mode, uh, because, honestly, the best thing I had seen, the best thing I could say about him is I thought he was really good in bones and all before, uh, as a recent. I was like, he's nice in that. I, I would like to see more of him in that, but, and I know that Luca likes having directors in his movies anyway. Um, but, yeah, it was, it has been other, I didn't particularly like the two other

and then exorcism and believer is so fucking funny. makes them Halloween movies look like god damn masterpieces the three. I have kind of come around on those other, well the last Halloween movie. The middle one, I'm still whatever. But yeah, as far as

as, you know, this is like all the real girls kind of territory but yes, things like Prince Avalanche, Joe, which is the Cage movie. Stronger's one, I always go to the boss and hall, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the guy who got really injured during the Boston bombing, uh, it's really worth looking into it if you have, and that's one of his best, I think. Um, all right, so here we go. The, the last one of, uh,

this broadcast, and again, we'll be coming back at you, sometime Sunday night, so yeah, be sure you, uh, like and subscribe. Make sure you get the notifications, click the bell. Uh, I see, you know, some people in the chat were like, hey, I saw the notification. I bopped in. Exactly right, y'all, because we're kind of flying by the, to see their pants, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know the time, you know, you know, you know, like to see the like, like, like, drinking a Guinness in Ireland. We're in Canada. We had to see the new one from our man, David Cronenberg, the shrouds. Hell yeah. Yes. How fucking yeah. Yes. This is a great, great, great movie. I was really, really happy with this.

I'm so last, last covered on this episode, but first, movie we of the festival. We kicked off the festival. We, no, we, no, we, we, no, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, this was a tough one because it was between this, oh, Canada, and presence, the New Sotaburg. Um, so I, I, I, I, I'm glad that both of those now have distribution, so I don't have to worry about it. And I actually, I picked right.

This is the one that doesn't have distribution still. I don't know how, but no, whatever. I think, like, you, I think entertainment one has it in Canada, but nothing on the U.S. side yet. And I'm like, hey, Neon. like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you should have just been gobbling up these Davy Crohn's, man, come on. I mean, I know Vincent Casell is not someone people want to talk about often. He's, he's, he's not the nicest or, uh, guy or the most lawful guy, but, you know, is he, is a jerk?

Yeah, it's, there's stuff. You can look into it. I'm, I'm sure some people in the, in the chat, no. Um, uh, he, I mean, but he, I think he's great in this. Uh, he's just very, very, very. obviously doing Cronenberg, the hair, the hair. The hair. The way he's, it's stuff. I have to say, it's fucking weird how much Vincent Cassell is made up to look like David Cronenberg in this movie. It's very bizarre. I mean, what we're talking about, like, it's about, it is very much a response to the death of his wife. It's very obviously that. And it's about a guy who creates a system of a graveyard system. of like interconnected wires that create, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, at your loved one in the ground, thanks to shrouds, and you can just on your app, can look at the body's, and then one night there is a toppling, a bunch of these, as you can see right there in the image, they're broken down, they're broken by someone. They don't know who did it. They don't know why they did it. And the mystery of that is really the core of the movie. He works.

with um, I was so I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, I miss, uh, read this. Um, the first time he worked with Guy Pearce. The weirdest damn thing. You would thought that he'd been in a hundred of these. Yeah, yeah, he just seems like the right, the right, the right guy for him. Like, I guess he would, he was slipped in somewhere. Yeah, that is kind of surprising. Um, he plays a complete loser in this, and it's phenomenal. Oh, my God. Oh, dude. Just the fuck. Kirk Van Houghtonness of it all.

It's like if Kirk Van Houghton, he's like a hacker, he's such a fucking loser. It's so funny. And I have to say, like, you know, I was rewatching Alien Covenant recently, and he's in a little bit of that. I fucking love that guy. And I just, I love that he's in movies that I like again. Because, boy, a lot of those space jet. era movies. I think Eric likes that. I don't, but you know what I mean? He was in movies. It was sort of like below or beneath Guy Pearce in one or another. We're using him to his full potential. Exactly. That's true. I mean, a lot of actors have that burden on them. I mean, he does so much though. It's he gets to get, I think, all the stuff. It's just that I'm not watching every guy Pierce movie. No, exactly. Yeah. No, I'm not complaining that he's not working. He's just like working too much in the wrong thing. I feel is the idea. What we were talking about, it's, like, it's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting to me that, uh, it's, it's about the passing of a loved

one. Shreder is, like, his wife is going through something very terrible and, like, they are in hospice care now. Uh, and O Canada is partially about that. And, uh, probably been like, what, one or two, maybe three years, uh, wise men, a couple is also clearly a response to the passing of his wife. These movies to me are, like, very emotional and very like but this one he hits he still has he still has that distance

get hit by it like the first image I think is the most emotional image and then he goes very detached for the rest of it but like you can tell that that is like both a as we were talking about before we got on here it is a self-deception it is echoing the self-deception that's happening in a way that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and the way he takes and the way he is, like, ultimately not really interested in the mystery at the, at the very end of it, like, is so,

so speaks to his interest in what, like, life is about and death is about and, like, yeah, the body, like, I, I, I love Crimes the Future so, so much, uh, and, like, the ideas he's been having as an older man about the body and what's going to happen with as a tool as a relic has has has has a lot of the idea has a lot of the future into a different very different but a very good movie yeah um no i you know it's kind of interesting a lot of people were bothered by what winds up meaning cronenberg's uh i don't want to say disinterest, but his not prioritizing the mystery. And it's kind of fascinating, like, I feel is a nice one to one as far as like, like, the audience and him, right? Like he's, he's making this movie for a particular reason that only he and maybe his children can understand, but really only he can. understand and we're going to it because it's a cronberg movie and we're used to see him like do all these things and those things are there but he's not as concerned about them so when the movie it's actually kind of really nice because i sort of take it as like a he's sort of taking back the movie and being like no no no like i know this is what you expect me to dive more into but instead this is just kind of like my feelings on things right now and my well-being and that's more important to me in this movie than maybe your curiosity about some some mysteries

I'm setting up. The thing that's cool too the mystery is engaging it is it's fascinating how it all plays out and there is a there's a thriller kind of feel to it but you also for sure have the the body horror elements to it in the film Diane Kruger is the wife

who has died from cancer and she also has a twin sister so you got Diane Krueger there and then a third way of Diane Krueger that I won't spoil but um you know a lot of the body horror stuff uh here is like uh very much a not a science fiction body horror but indeed like the the horror that the horror that the body goes through due to medical treatment and specifically cancer treatment in this case and so you're seeing that unfold in this movie so like that's why it's very fascinating, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, he's got the body horror stuff and all of that, but in this instance, all of that stuff is playing towards a larger, more personal goal for him. And I think that's just brilliant. I think it's just fucking great. And I'm glad that he's able to, like, use his filmmaking prowess and his art to work through what is, you know, probably one of, or if not the hardest challenge in his life right now. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, and I also just love that the guy is still, I mean, I felt it, uh,

after crimes of the future, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like the fact, like, they came up with the shroud. I mean, the shrouds is such an insane idea to begin with. And he has so much fun unpacking it and, like, letting it, like, seep into the world of these characters. It's, I mean, it always gives me chills. I, I, uh, it was really, I was happy to see it in his hometown, uh,

honestly. It was, it felt, it felt right. It felt right for what might be, like, if not his last movie, one of his last movies to be here. sure, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, you know, you're, you know, uh, uh, we'll, we'll see. But yeah, this is, it's at the New York film festival. Again, you know, I'm actually, I've been sitting here, like, waiting for the deadline pop up to come up and say someone bought it. Uh, like, someone's going to buy it. This isn't going to be some sort of like, you'll never see this movie. I, I just think it's, yeah, I just think it's unfortunate. Uh, y'all fucking film buyers are taken so long. Snatch this shit up. It's great. But that's going to do it of two for our Toronto recap.

Just give folks a teaser of what's to come. One thing that we haven't seen yet that you're looking forward to. Well, tomorrow I'm right in the morning I have Anora, Sean Baker's big winner out of can and right into Mike Lee's new one, Hard Truths, which is him

reteaming with his, I'm forgetting her name, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'm not, she's fantastic. And, uh, I'm looking at both, uh, those. The big one though, though, and I, I really, I cannot wait for is night bitch. I am like, dying to see night bitch. I, I, I really am looking forward to that. Oh, yeah. Uh, no, night bitch is kind of like the one I'm here for. That's, uh, the new one from Mariel Heller, who, uh, I saw, you know, can you ever forgive me? did I see it

I don't think I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't think I didn't see it It was a it was 21 so it was COVID stuff I didn't see it here I love that movie I cannot wait for this movie did she also do No she in a neighborhood yes she did that the hanks Oh really really wonderful film yes yeah yeah surprisingly so I'm very excited to see a darker side with this one those like can you figure me certainly has it's darker eliz and so does beautiful. This is, like, like, like, like, like, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, like,

is a pretty dark. Uh, uh, so I'm looking forward to that too. I'm looking forward to the Giacopola, the last show girl, uh, Pam Anderson plays a Vegas show girl whose, uh, show closes after 30 years and it's like, what do I do with my life? Can't wait to see, uh, what goes down with that. And then also, I'll say it just because I like watching everything he does and who the heck knows, but the new Mike Flanagan is my, uh, first thing tomorrow morning, life of Chuck. So we will see about all that Yeah, thanks for sticking around folks. You know, of course, you know, you know, tell your friends

Will be on YouTube but we will also of course have this guy On the old podcast feed as well I'm going to try to maybe turn that around tonight I don't know, no promises but it will be there too But all right dude so we will tune back in Sunday night with some more picks But all right man let's let's go back to the movies I'll see you later all right, see you later.

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