We Hate Movies - S15: On-Screen Live's Special Coverage of the 2024 Toronto International Film Festival Part 2

Episode Date: September 13, 2024

On this special edition of On-Screen Live, Andrew and Chris are back stateside to wrap up their journey through the 2024 Toronto International Film Festival. Some films our intrepid, moviegoing buds review in this episode are Mike Flanagan's The Life of Chuck, Gia Coppola's The Last Showgirl, Ron Howard's Eden, Marielle Heller's Nightbitch, Dea Kulumbegashvili's April, Sean Baker's Anora & more! Be sure you're caught up with the first part of our TIFF24 coverage where we reviewed David Cronenberg's The Shrouds, David Gordon Green's Nutcrackers, Matt Diop's Dahomey & much more! The podcast cut of part one is out now on this feed as well, but you can watch the full replay of both shows over on our YouTube channel! Be sure to head to our website for all ticketing information on our final shows of the year in Seattle, Portland (Oregon) & Boston! And don’t miss our worldwide digital event on October 23 where we’re talking Scream 4! Can’t make it the night of? The show has a 14-day replay window after the broadcast! And if you're a Patreon subscriber at the $8 level or up, you can bundle in our exclusive After Party Q&A totally free! That's right, you can watch us vibe and imbibe as we answer audience questions live, totally gratis! Make the WHM Merch Store your one-stop shop for all your We Hate Movies merch-related needs! Including new Bus Movie, Night Vision & Too Old For This Shit designs!  Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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I'm going to be. And so What's going on, welcome to on-screen live special 2024 Toronto International Film Festival coverage? My name is Andrew Juppen. This is part two of two. So this is the final update. Hope y'all are doing good. Thanks for tuning in live if you are. on this, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, on this, uh, we will be getting to our regularly scheduled on screen live programming, uh, I think a little later this month that we got some more film festival stuff to get through, uh,

with New York coming up in just a few short weeks. But, uh, regular OSL coming back real soon. Um, but before that, let's get to the rest of the stuff we caught at Tiff going to bring in. my film festival brother, Mr. Hello. Hello, hi, I guess just because of the movie, I suppose, the movie I liked probably the least of everything we saw had to become my title. I don't know why.

On becoming a guinea cabin did not sound like a good idea to me. I'm going to be honest with you, that seems like a bad move. No, that doesn't work. but also, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but also, uh, uh, uh, but also. Oh, night drew could work. Yeah, I'd still do the Bob Seeger working on my night, Drew. Yeah, all right. All right. I like that. We were doing that for, uh, longer than we should have with, uh, Jamie and Josh from sleezzoids, uh, singing different verses of, uh, night bitch. Yep. To night.

I have to say, it was really fun getting to hang with those guys. The cool thing about some of these film festivals like this, like this film festivals like this film festivals. You're seeing movies together. You're fucking having a notch afterwards. You're getting some cocktails. Josh Lewis took us to this amazing Thai restaurant. Right near the festival village that I'd never heard about before. All get this folks at home. All the cocktails on their cocktail list. Clint Eastwood movie titles or I believe characters. The names were. Yeah. Pretty cool. I have to say. And tasty stuff too. I had a letters from Iwojima, the 1517 to Paris was good. I had that. I don't, Jamie, I don't remember. It was awkward being like, one letters from Iwo Jima. Yeah. I don't know why. They should do like honky tonk man and stuff like that. They should get some like bar, a shot in beer special and call it honky talk man. if you got like, if you got like, if you got, if you got, if you got, if you got, um, um, um, um, um, we could have won that fucking restaurant. Anyway, anyway, uh, we are here to give our final, I think I'm counting it right now, Chris Cabin, 10 reviews.

That seems to, uh, I left out a couple of things that I saw that, um, kind of way too small profile, things I might wind up talking about later if they see release. Um, so just to sort of like consolidate this a little bit, but I looked at it, and it appears as if, nightbitch is the only thing, on this list, but we'll do that last, but we'll go through, like we did last time. And folks, by the way, if you didn't catch the first part of this, it's on here on our YouTube channel, which by the way, like and subscribe to the channel, got to do that, like this video, subscribe to the channel, hit that notification bell so you know when we go live in the middle of the day, I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I'm that we're going to do. Um, so so anyway, so I think what we're going to do we'll just go one, you know, back and forth like we did a little like tennis like the U.S. Open was going on. So, you know, this is our movie tennis. But first up, it's it's you, my friend. You were talking about the new one for Mr. Sean Baker. That is a Nora. Yeah. The one that won. It's the Palm Dior. Once again,

neon has scored, yeah, good for them. I mean, I think it's, it feels, it feels, red rocket felt a little bit more substantive into what it was trying to put across as far as the guy as a stand in for Trump, but also for Trump culture and stuff like that and like trying to be a little understanding to that kind of character and what their life is like and not be totally like full on judgmental and therefore creating an uninteresting canvas. Right. This is much. This is much. This feels like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I'm this is, like, like, I can't get away with some stuff. And I can just let it free fly. It's not he's, it's, it's one of the funniest movies I've seen in so long. Like, I was, the middle, the middle section of this movie is so fucking funny. Okay. And then, I mean, I also, I found Red Rocket hilarious. So, like, I'm very fun. Yes. I think it's a really funny. movie, and I think this is, Mikey Madison, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the

worker, uh, a, a, uh, Mikey Madison, uh, knowing, folks may remember her from, uh, she was the second not Jack Quaid killer. I think she was actually the lead killer in the Scream 5. She is indeed. Also from, uh, Pamela Adlon's great series, better things. She's the eldest daughter. Oh, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, was he on it or was he just a producer? I think he's also on it, at least in the first season he has. I think something happens with him. Regardless. His character is jerking off in front of women without asking him. He might be talking around that. I don't know. But she's fantastic in this movie as if you have been reading any of can. It is exactly that good. One night, she's asked by her boss to look after a bunch of very young Russian guys. One of them is Skyyri. And he ends up being the son of

like a classic Russian oligarch. One of those guys who just owns everything has like has had money in oil like since he was 10. And it's about their, like, budding relationship, and then the aftermath his parents, had happened. It is, it is, goes from a very interesting, buildup of, like, how much is she using him

versus using her kind of thing to a much more, like, madcap chase. Like, there's a good 45 minutes where it's just a search for one of these characters. Everybody's just trying to find one of them. That is the funniest part. That is the funniest. I don't think, this is usually what I'm usually missing from movies, I'm just a little bit unsure of how great it is, is because I do wish I had more time alone with her. The whole point is that she is with this guy essentially 15 minutes in on she is with this guy. but like, okay, like, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , Simon Rex, uh, Simon Rex's character and Red Rocket, you did get these moments of pause

alone where you kind of got to ruminate on what he's going, what's, what's going on inside. Like, yeah, what, what is he like away from all of this on his own? Uh, and I don't think you get quite as much in this one that you get in that one. But otherwise, as far as like, a depiction of like uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, yeah, it's such a, what, what, what, one thing I really got to give Baker, he does cities so fucking, fucking well, like, settings, places, you know these places. These don't feel fake. These don't feel like, yep, like a bunch of, like a composite. It doesn't feel like we're trying to just create what a city would look like. It feel like Florida, the Florida project feels like Florida. Red Rocket

feels like. Oh, yeah. This dude, Florida product. specifically, like, you can fucking smell the Florida coming off that movie. I have, I have, I have this movie. I was just very happy with it from beginning to end. That's, that's really good to hear, because I got nothing but, you know, positive vibes for Mikey Madison and, and Sean Baker. I will be seeing this. This is a New York Film Festival selection also. So I'll be seeing it in a couple weeks. How were you feeling that runtime? Because if I have to slam, Red Rocket for something, that movie's just long. It's depending on I think, like, like Red Rocket to me, I never felt a moment where we were talking a lot about like the feeling of when you're watching a movie and you think it's about the end or where you think. Sure. There's this image that

should be the end point, the period, or the exclamation part, whatever. Yeah. And I like, with smaller and genre movies specifically, I definitely feel that. But with things like this, I don't think about that so much. I'm kind of because he anchors it's kind of because I really am just following them. I never felt it in this one. And I don't think I felt it in Red Rocket. I actually did feel it in Florida Project. Oh, okay. Oh, that's funny. See, I'm the opposite. I felt it in Red Rocket, but Florida Project, I was just kind of like in it the whole time. So I didn't notice as much. Great movies still. I mean, they're all great movies, I think. This is out in limited release from Neon on October

18th. They will, of course, this. This will be end of the year. For sure. Let me ask you on Anora. Let me just find it real quick. Ryan in the chat says, sounds like a modern pretty woman. How do you feel about that comparison? I mean, if anything, it's kind of a deconstruction of that. I can kind of see where you're going with it. It's, I'd be pretty woman to be is not funny. It's supposed to be. I mean, I don't find it's supposed to be. I don't find a really way. That movie is way more. Class is an element to this for sure. But it's more, it's not as pronounced. It's as in pretty woman. Like pretty woman, it's like, we're about class here. This is what this is about. And like, this, it's woven into the fabric of it. It feels more human that way.

whereas Richard Gere like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, like they don't really feel like characters that are worn in in any way. This, that's the thing with Baker is that he does do absolute insane work with his actors and they feel so grounded and so, uh, enmeshed with the character that's been written for them. And it always feels real. I mean, that, that's been true since like, takeout in tangerine. Like, it's just, they always feel natural. Um, speaking of pretty woman, Boston, Boston, Boston, Boston,

to our website, head over to our website. We will be having Andrewsing his rendition of the king of wishful thinking, which is the song that opens the beautiful pretty woman. No promises there. We'll see how much beer I have. I'm in the green room beforehand. I'm switching gears a little bit. This is one that I was kind of

hesitant seems a little too strong. I was cautiously optimistic and it turned out to be pleasantly surprised. It's the new one from Mike Flanagan. The Life of Chuck is the motion picture with our beautiful boy there.

Hiddleston. Mr. Hiddleston. Mr. Hiddleston. So this is it's interesting because not only is it's a gear shift for Mike Flanagan for the author the book that this movie is based on Stephen King

because in spite of having like a little bit of paranormal is the wrong thing but like a fantastical kind of vibe at parts this is very much not a horror thing. It's not

scary. It's just actually quite beautiful. You know It is about, yes, Chuck, Chuck Kranz, and his life, and his life, it's basically, it's basically a triptych, kind of told out of order. And it is just this, it's this really, I mean, you know, I wonder how larger audiences will react to it because I feel like, you know, one could make the argument that it's too saccharin kind of thing. I don't agree with that at all. I found it very life affirming. It made me kind of like take a step back and just sort of like look at everything around. And it just sort of makes you like appreciate being on earth and like being lucky enough to exist. I mean, I know that sounds so hyperbolic and crazy. But like that that is how I felt about it. And you know, you have these amazing touching performances from all these people. Some of the, uh, uh, Flanagan's stable pops in. You have Rahul Kojee there. I can't remember the woman's name.

The woman from Black Mass, who's like the real crazy religious woman. Oh, yeah. She was one of the sisters in the last TV show he did there, the Po one. House of Usher. So, like, they do come in here. and there. Kate Siegel, she's got a scene. It's actually, like, like,

year and he's really great. Hittleson, himself is really touching. Karen Gillen, uh, from Guardians of the Galaxy and other things, uh, is also in it. And it's just this, you know, it's Stephen Kingy in that way that like, you're talking about a guy's life and it's like him as a kid and you know, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and, like, is, like, kind of invoked in that way a little bit. Um, but it is just this, like, a, such a sweet kind of thing, uh, oh, on the performances, what I wanted to say, though, out of all these, uh, great turns and these really nice sort of touching performances from people, Mark the goat Hamel, dude, um, who plays, yeah, he plays Chuck's grandfather.

Oh, in the film. and he is just spectacular. He is just absolutely spectacular. I think so much of the time, we think about, like, like, like, like, obviously Joker and Luke Skywalker. And then, like, all of the kind of ways he sort of made himself like this comedic persona now in modern times, which is great. I mean, I fucking love. He's having fun. He just seems to be on fun, which is nice. And this is, like, a real deal acting thing on top of his great ability to create. a character. You're looking at this guy and you're like, all right, it looks enough. He's aged up. He doesn't sound like Mark Hamill. He doesn't walk like Mark Hamill's gestures. You know, like it's a real deal fucking character who is present for a large portion of the movie. So like, hats off to Hamill, man. And you know, Flanagan, I think he avoids for the most part his biggest trap, which is just, the monologizing, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

you know, you know, you know, we're, you know, we're making a movie here. We don't have fucking eight episodes to just flap our gums. Yeah, yeah. So everything's kind of like rained in, but I found it all very genuine. It doesn't feel like phony, saccharine nonsense. It's a really, really interesting turn for both Stephen King and Mike Flanagan, honestly. And, um, at the same time, it's also not. Like, you watch it and you watch it.

You can pick out, like so much of the script is just, it feels, it sounds like Stephen King's, the names of characters are very Stephen King, you know. And then for Flanagan's side of it, the way he makes movies and the way he directs actors and the way he handles any kind of subject matter in all of his previous horror things, that's all still totally in play. So it's really interesting to see these two guys change it up. uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and have both of them, I think, like, like, totally hit it out of the part.

Um, the crazy thing to me is that this doesn't have distribution yet. Uh, I guess flanagan's deal with Netflix is TV only, um, because I think this is his first feature since Dr. sleep. Yes. Which obviously was put up by Warner Brothers. Um, so I don't know where this is going to land yet, but, you know, folks at home, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, , you know, you know, known names from horror. I forget if, I mean, I don't think Dr. Sleep didn't do too well in the theater, like famously, right? It kind of did. I don't, I don't, I don't remember, but I don't think it was great. I mean, it's very long and yada. Because I mean, it would make sense to, I mean, although now that I say that now

I'm thinking about, I was going to say like, you could just throw this to Max, but like, they haven't been really been doing they haven't been doing stuff like that. They seem to be more on the TV element and the episodic stuff now. I mean, I'll say, it's not surprising to me that Flanagan would make a sweet movie because I think a lot of his shows do have an underlying

sweetness to them. Yeah, they do. The haunting, both the haunting series, I think both have a sweetness to them. His movies less so, actually, now as I think about it. The movie's less so, yeah. I mean, the Ouija and the doctor sleep which are the two I like by him. They both have elements of like the family being matter and like that

matter and trying to do that organically rather than just be like family good like you know. Which is funny because I think it totally works in Dr. Sleep. I think that's a fantastic movie and I think it works in this movie. The funny thing is I don't think it works as well in some of those TV projects and I feel like when two much of that stuff is dumped on you and like the last, the last episode of the last episode, you're like, man, of love, boy, but boy, was that clunkily just dropped in here. This is like, it's more spread out. It's even paced. It starts and you fucking have no idea what's going on. And that's, it's a really fascinating way that he structures the movie too. And I don't know if the story's structured the same way.

I would imagine it is just because it's king. But anyway, it's a big recommend for me. so we'll keep going here. It's another New York film festival entry as well. It is also coming out later this year from A24. It is on becoming a guinea fowl from Rangano Nione. It comes out 12, 13 in limited release from our friends at A2.4. This is one of two movies I am going to a wink wink called party movies. Movies that really put you in the party spirit. And by that I mean torture you just a little bit. Um, uh, uh, uh, it is, uh, it is, uh, it is, uh, it is, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's, you guys. She's got the, the, the picture see that as the opening shot. Um, and she is, this is that, uh, her in the car. I love this, whatever she's got on her head here with the sunglasses and it's, I mean, I'll have you see the movie. Everybody has like party mask kind of thing going. Okay. Oh, got it. She has also like a Missy Elliott suit under, you don't, you don't, you can't see it.

but that's what she's got there. She stops in the middle of the middle of the body. It ends up the movie. The rest of the movie is essentially them figuring out what his funeral is going to be like, getting everybody together for the passing, all that. And there are revelations that come about about exactly what Unk was up to, what he was, if maybe he was not such a great guy. And it deals a lot with, the culture, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, when, uh, when someone, when someone dies, even if they don't like them, they have to, uh, make sure people have places to sleep. They have to make sure that people are being fed. They have to make sure, like, there are people, family members coming from everywhere to come to this place. And everybody, if it's a men, especially, they have to be fed. They have to be house. They have to be taken care of. And that plus, plus, is really the drama. It is the second movie. She did this great movie called I Am Not a Witch. Oh, dude, that's this director? Yeah, same director. Ooh, I Am Not a Witch. Primo recommend. Man, fantastic film.

Really, really good movie. I do think it's a, that is a better movie, but this is trying to get something darker, a little bit more. I mean similarly I mean similarly but in a realistic sense I'm a little I think it ends a little but up until I was really with it

and even the ending I get the meaning of it there's a point to it it just kind of it felt like it was building to something and then it took the not an easier route or quieter route

similar to if anybody's seen a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , you're gonna, uh, you're gonna, you're gonna, uh, you're gonna really like it. but like, similarly, like, you're expecting a big explosion and like, you get something like that, but you don't get the, the big blood and guts. You don't get the, the raging, everything. It's, it's a quieter movie. And I think it's better for it. Uh, I'm shocked eight to fours putting out. It doesn't, it has certain similarities with the, I'm sure everybody's been hearing about the A24 house style for a couple of years now. It doesn't quite have that's shots that do.

But overall, I didn't feel it really. There is one very particular, like, cut into a Zoom already happening, which is a very big Arioster thing. Let me ask you this, though, just as far as the A24 acquisition, because, you know, reading about the movie and everything, and now hearing you talk about it a little more, too, I wonder, do you think this is, the annual A2-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-4 super art-house flick that we're given a leg up to much as the way they did all Dirt Road's Taste of Salt last year which if you haven't seen that magnificent movie IMO but it always appears like A-24 has like that one movie each year where you know they will put it out and it's way more on like the art side of things and kind of not that A-2-4 movie we're putting shit on a fucking t-shirt and a tote bag kind of thing That may be the thought process. It's not like the subject matter and its political concerns are certainly things that a two four movies tend to circle back to or a certain portion of them. I will say the big difference to me is that like all dirt roads taste of salt is a much more experimental film in form. Like the way that movie unfolds. This is very easy to follow. It's more or less linear. There are some little jumpy things about flashbacks and visions and stuff like that.

But for the most part, it is a linear story being told one after the other. I think it's definitely worth seeing. The lead is fantastic. I'm blanking on the name here. But I'm also just happy that Rangano Niani is still making movies. Like, I wasn't sure if that was going to happen because I am not a witch. I got a lot of attention, but it's not like it made money or anything. No, and this movie's at a much bigger distribution.

Oh yeah, was it was it was like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I forget. I want to say it was film movement. I mean, no shade to those guys. They put out, they put out really great, uh, essential shit. They just, their footprint is a little small. New York, Chicago and L.A. That's, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, so we'll move it, uh, right along here. Geez, we're almost at 1230. Can't even believe it. Uh, next one up is, uh, another one that I caught. And it was one of two movies. dealing with with with procreation just a pseudo-apocalyptic one much better than the other one. we will start with the much better one first. It's a film called The Assessment

by first-time filmmaker Flore Fortuné is the director and this I was very displeased to find out this morning is apparently going to Amazon Prime next year and I sincerely hope that they do some kind of theatrical thing with it because I feel like there is a big difference seeing a film like this on a big screen versus like shit you would just watch on TV and I think if you just watch this on TV it cheapens the experience for you a little bit but it is a film about a couple in a post apocalyptic kind of world there's been you know a an environment cataclysm of some kind and one of the things that is very much regulated with the dome where the environment is still okay versus outside the dome where it is not supposedly that's part of the movie so the the amount of people that can have a child is regulated by the government in a way where you have an assessor come to your house and spend a week with

you. That's the very, the very, the very flat kind of cannot describe to you, sort of flat description of the movie. Because this thing goes places, baby. This shit is wild. So the couple is Elizabeth Olson and Hamesh Patel. Oh, nice. Love seeing him in a cool movie like this, by the way. Like, I think that guy's great. He really turns on the chops here. Elizabeth Olson is the couple. They want to have a baby. She is a guy. He is a guy. It's not AI. It's like creating sort of, it's basically like he uses microcomputer kind of things like nanotechnology kind of shit to create life size and life-like feeling pets for people in this world. They have decided all pets have to be eliminated. Hymash Patel's job is making like animals that look and feel and sound like real animals. So that's what they're doing. The assessor played by Alicia Vakander. Holy shit.

I mean, the two of them are great as this couple. She comes in like a fucking weirdo tornado in the absolute best way. And when you see, her methods, like, like, howdy, like, howdy, is strange as fuck. A mini driver also comes in like a complete and total hurricane for one point. That's fantastic. It was a total surprise to me. It played really well. This was one of the few public screenings I went to.

Played really well in the room, which was cool. but yeah, it was just, I'm a really sort of, I'm a real, sort of bare bones, but creative sci-fi in a film where like you're not inundated with bad CGI, we set up a very simple world and we know what the rules of the world are and then like, like they, you know, she just puts these little touches on it, Fortuné does, like to make it, like the production design is really incredible to just look at and like it feels very, very real, even though it's a totally fake future world. It's something where I don't want to give you like, but boy, you like getting down with strange stuff, man, this movie super goes places and I was so thankful. I'm sitting there like, you know, the first weird moment comes and I'm like, oh, okay, that's cool, neat enough. And then when you realize like it continues to escalate, I was like, oh boy, this movie's going for it. And, uh, yeah, I, that's why again, like, supremo bummer to see

is farting around with this movie because this could have easily been this is something neon could have done I don't know how Amazon got their fucking ruddy little paws on it but anyway I guess you can see it because again I don't know what they're going to do with this movie next year

it's a cool movie that I don't want people to forget about and again it's a nice reminder Elizabeth Olson yep she does a good job with Scarlet Witch no argument for me about that But this is her really turning on the juice. She's been since Martha Marlene.

I think I think you got it. Which is a fabulous from a cult movie if people haven't seen that. But anyway, yet I can't really talk about it anymore because I don't want to give things away because every little puzzle piece of it, I was like, well, good goddamn. And again, also, it was really cool. seeing Alicia Vikander doing something. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm waiting. I'm, I'm waiting. I'm, I'm like, I'm like, Elizabeth Olson has, I, she's at least, she seems pretty spiteful or at least indifferent to her Marvel stuff. Like, whenever it is brought up, you can tell she's kind of like, well, fuck it, but, uh, please ask me about something else. Yes. And like, in the wake of doing all that, I don't know, maybe she's doing more. Who knows? But, uh, doing this and then she's in the new Zazel Jacobs'

his three daughters I hear it's fantastic she's doing the new Todd Solons movie which puts her in Bohol's way way way way wait wait wait wait beep beep do the George Costanza sure Solins has a fucking movie in the hopper Salons finally I've because it's been since Weiner Dogg I think Wiener Dog

I did yeah I think so yeah I think shit. He's got, he's got, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, he's, he's got. But, um, it, I, I, I'm just so happy to see, like the way I was so happy to see, like Patenton after Twilight, just being like, I'll try weird stuff. I'll try, like, alter. I'll try doing that stuff. Like, let's get down. Like, okay, let's have some fun. By the way, also, I think more people need to see that Todd Salon's movie, Wiener Dog, if only because I'm sick and tired of seeing screenshots of Danny DeVito in the movie.

it's being posted online. It's like, like, Davido walking his tiny dog. It's from a fucking movie from like 10 years ago, you jackass. And he's really good in it. He's like really fucking good in it. So, yeah, anyway, look for the assessment. Write it down. Put it on your fucking letterbox watch list and just see what happens with it.

So interesting thing here. We're going to shift gears just a tiny bit to cover something you saw from the festival's primetime selection and primetime is where they cover TV stuff. This is the new project from Janica Bravo. Which is, uh, uh, which is called the listeners and this is, I guess airing on BBC one sometime this year. No word on what's happening in state side. I would think eventually usually a BBC or goes to it goes somewhere. It's IFC is very good with bringing them over usually. I don't know if that's still and sometimes uh, FX also does some partnerships with them, Netflix, like Netflix, eventually they wound up,

in some capacity. It'll be it'll be over here somehow, you know, I would hope she's a big, Bravo is a big enough name that you can get some, because it isn't interesting, because I have never, I had never done this before, other than, like, I showed up for like the first half of the screenings of

the Steve McQueen occupied city that ended up going to Amazon. But like I don't usually go to see like pilots and stuff in it. It was interesting. It was very much like the first time you're watching an episode of TV. I mean, essentially the story is of a younger, middle-aged woman with a daughter and a husband. And she starts hearing a noise. And it seems like the noise changes where she is. But she's the only one. who can hear it. Her husband doesn't hear it. Her daughter doesn't hear it. Except for one of the kids in her does, the kind of troublemaker in her class, also hears it. And they start a relationship. It's not, it's definitely chaste and it's definitely there's something there, but they don't really press the sexual angle of it. They don't press the romantic angle of it really. They seem to both just be dealing with

and they start going to meetings people who also hear the noise. Oh, you're grabbing me that's the general plot of it. it's Rebecca Hall so like you're anchored. She's just incredible like I could just watch her do anything movies I do not like I watch

all the way through because she's so good in them and it's funny because it doesn't really have that much of a beefy supporting cast. Gail Rehnick, I think, I think, is one of the other people in the group. But I didn't really recognize many other people. It's good in that way because, again, it does anchor the way it's like these are people who have specially and everything else has kind of moved to the side. So it's easier to kind of do that when you have Rebecca Hall as the main character and like almost everybody around her is not, I mean, not bad actor, very good actors, but like not. fucking, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, um, um, um, um, it's not as boy. I mean, it's certainly not as colorful and buoyant as something like Zola. Zola was her, her movie from a few years ago that was based off of a, an infamous Twitter thread. I mean, that's a movie. Yeah, get, get your buns to the

VOD menu and, and find that. That's a, speaking of party movie. I mean, that's like, yeah. Yeah. And speaking of like Florida like Florida. like Zola. Um, um, um, it's, it's, it's much more. It speaks to like Englishness of it. It's a much more a decommed movie, a show. Uh,

the, the narrative is a lot more restrained. Uh, it's, it's, it's funny to me because moving from Lemon to Zola to this, there is a trying things here. Like, each one is of its own self. It's not, uh, there's no, the idea

what what she's concerned with is clearly what she's but the story unfolds the style of it is different which which attracts me I'm interested to see what she does next I will be whatever this gets picked up I'll definitely be watching the rest of it

it's as a person who doesn't watch much TV anymore it grabbed me and it takes a lot for a pilot to grab me these days that's two years of being at Collider and watching every single TV show. It did kind of break me. I only take in a little bit. I was looking at IMDB. I mean, if that information is accurate, it's a four-part series. That makes sense. You don't have too much longer to go. But at that like 80-ish minute

runtime, that does sort of feel like Sherlock to me, speaking of BBC things. You know, where each segment's kind of a feature. your length, we were, we were, we were, what's what's what we were, like, like, like, we were, like, like, like, we were working towards, like, trying to do, like, because, like, something like house of dragon, uh, like, you would think, like, it, like, every episode's a little over an hour and you're like, well, if this is only four of these, maybe I would hang out. Like, maybe I would be able to handle this. But, like, since you insist on it being, like, eight to ten, and, like, it just doesn't need that much. It, you're giving me too much. I'm not going to be able to eat all of this. That's the thing, man. That fuck. I, I, I really, I really. I really. I really. I really. I like it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, uh, uh, it's a lot. That LOTR rings of power. Like, I've started that second season. Every episode is like 70 minutes. And it's just, it's so much. It's so much. Um, so yeah, uh, anyway, uh, so moving back to, to movies here, uh, big time, big dog director here with his undistributed film at the festival. And I think this is very funny, with all of the stars and the gorgeous location that the film is this is the promo shot. This is the film

the movie. I think that kind of says a lot. This is Eden, the new one from, of course, Mr. Ron Howard. No distributor on this guy yet. His last movie, the cave movie there with Vigo Mortensen and his friends. Amazoner, I think. Amazoner with a barely theatrical footprint. piece of shit. that piece of shit. was Netflix.

I don't know where this is going to wind up but I will say someone should buy this and put it in a theater because the locations are exquisite. This is a really good looking movie. This is a narrative based on the same story that I saw a documentary on years ago. It's absolutely

fascinating doc called the Galapagos affair. So this movie also is the story of that, a German, a German, a German, a German, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, had it, uh, with Germany in the late 1920s, moved he and understandably, understandably, I would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there was some, some bad stuff going around there. Uh, so he, uh, moves them to an island in the Galapagos where no one lives. And he gets like a sanction from the governor, uh, you know, that oversea, uh, you know, that

oversees all of these territories in the Galapagos and gets permission to move there and a life where they can sort of live in this pseudo utopia while he writes the great book that's going to change humanity like real fucking delusional shit so that is uh in in this movie is played by Jude law he's the doctor and um Vanessa Kirby is is the wife so right there. So the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, oh, it's, oh, it's, the, oh, it's Sydney Sweeney and Daniel Bruel. Sorry, I've got like 15 movies in my head here, sure. So Daniel Bruel and Sydney Sweeney, who I think, by the way, Sydney Sweeney, doing pretty good in this movie. Okay. Um, um, uh, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, uh, but, so they move there.

And it's like, howdy neighbor? We're gonna fucking build camp here, too. You had a great idea. And so, like, Jude law and Vanessa Kirby, you're kind of like, ha, ha, ha, ha, great. Uh, uh, and then what puts the whole thing over the edge is then who moves in, uh, is this baronetna. played by Anna de Armas who comes in with like these two hunks, and is going to build a island. And so it's the story of these three groups of people trying to live together on this island. It plays like a total paranoid thriller, you know, as they try to like basically mess with one another and sabotage one another's experience on the island to get them to leave. So whoever is the last person standing, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you can be the, uh, uh, you know, the rich fucking, uh, lady socialite who wants to build this hotel. Uh, so it's all of this like sniping, super douche chill social moments and outright nefarious plotting against people. And I think

It's Ron Howard's best movie Man, which is 18 years ago. I was in it, man. I was in this movie. It's so watchable. And Howard, for what he is as a director, which is basically a dude that can do some interesting sequences, but really sort of direct

actors. That's his strongest suit. IMO. The performances here are all really great. And it looks good and nice. but it's like, I mean, I mean, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like his stuff is like, like, like, and you're in the jungle and you're on the beach in this movie and it's like, everything's just kind of muted down. That was sort of my biggest beef with it. That's, that's something where I think you really do need to finally sit down.

I know it's long as shit, but you've got to just sit down and watch 13 lives because it is visually his most interesting movie by Miles. Like, it's, yeah, him working with Appachap Pong's guy, the guy who did Trap just recently. I'm, I'm, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, uh, them together. That really makes that movie come alive. And that really, that has a very unique look to it. Whereas like, I, I do agree with you, uh, he is so drab, usually. Even Cinderella man, which I do like, uh, it, like, it's a little drab looking. It's just kind of like that movie, see, it's so funny, but that movie, I think it's okay to look drab because it takes place during the Great Depression. So it's, if there was ever a movie that

should look like, right? By the way, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, so yombo, uh, uh, is the, uh, is the, the dprum, uh, is the d'clock. Um, so, you know, uh, on all our family of shows, you know, I, I give Howard a hard time. Uh, I think he's got a good one on his hands here. I hope a real company picks it up and puts it in theaters, so people can experience this big, you know, outdoor island adventure. not on a television, but we will see. Great performance. Great performance. I'm really excited to have people see it. Complete and total gear shift right now, Chris Cabin. Move over to something much smaller on your end. It's a film called April. Party movie. Party movie. It's... Dea Kolombashvili's April is the film. Man. Oh, fucking man. I mean, if anybody has seen her first movie a beginning, which is very good. You know what you're up. This is like the ideal. This is like Eurocentric dramas. Like post 70s. Like long takes. Almost like all sound design, but very like wind through the trees and dripping water kind of sounds. So like a cup of coffee with a couple of espresso shots before you go into the theater for this.

If they do this in the morning, it's, it's not that kind of, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I watch this at, like, at 830 and I was having trouble. Sure. It, it is good, like that, I don't want that to, uh, shake that from the fact that it's a good movie, uh, and it's very eerie, um, and it does speak to in a very similar way, uh, as, uh, on, uh, on becoming a guinea fowl, uh, talking about a misogynistic society. where like, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and, uh, it's, it's, uh, in the hospital she works with during, uh, at during the day. Uh, and that leads to a, uh, someone essentially, uh, letting it out that she performs abortions illegally in villages, uh, not even that close. There's this driving scene that goes on for like 10 minutes, uh, where it's just a they literally put the camera in the car. I'm not kidding you. I love that shit. I do like it. It's very meditative. And like there's all these unbelievable delighting in this fucking movie is insane. But like, and that's what I think really will draw people in is the movie looks nuts. There are a lot more eerie notes to fantasy and self imagery and dreaminess than beginning. I mean, beginning.

just looked really good, the actual narrative is playing with that stuff as well. I mean, I mean, a society, like, like, like, like, as murder. It's, it's, it treated like that. They literally, people just call her murderer all day long. Not, I mean, it's not a bunch. It's mostly her by herself, so you don't see too many other people. But, again, a strong, like, one of those movies don't go into it expecting a good time. Don't go into it expecting a movie that's going to lift your spirits. This is, you know, there's a miserabilia lip thing to this. But also I think it's trying to get at the heart of a character that is tough. It's, it's not one, you know, there's not many of these movies that do well. Like Vera Drake, I think is the best of the bunch. And like, even that had to get a big push from like focus and God knows, well, whoever put it out was my Mike Lee movie. Maybe sonic classics. But this, I think, but if you are into that, the naturalism, it's nothing. It looks very realistic. And all the setups are very realistic. It does sink you into a very believable situation that is tense. But also, there are some really beautiful moments. And there is one. David Ehrlich called it.

I don't know what else to call it. This creature. Didn't expect this. Exactly. There's like these tiny little things that does dollop throughout that give it this certain flavor that I don't think beginning had. But yeah, again, we're seeing if you know what you're getting yourself into. Just because I'm a nerd, I had to look at it. Vera Drake was originally fine line features.

It went to new lines. So it's a Warner Brothers movie now. So it sort of sounds like you're saying, maybe with the realism angle, of like a four months, three weeks, two days, kind of a thing, like that sort of a vibe. Even that like to me, even the, like, I don't know if it's just because of like the way that Romania is,

like there's a color thing in four months, three weeks and days that gives it a certain tint, like that is not necessarily realism. I don't know what to say of that. I haven't seen four months and God, God, God, you know, it's not really something. It's not really. It's not really, but I, it's not seen it. I really loved the movie. But it is, it is also much less dramatically, I mean, active. Like, there's just not that much talking in it. It's mostly, there are questioning scenes, but it's mostly, there are questioning scenes, but it's mostly, it's mostly, quiet scenes. And there's some that are so wildly uncomfortable. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like it's, like the point of the director is to show you what this kind of work is like, what this kind of life is like. So you do see an abortion and you do see a live birth. And like, and it's not like a fake thing. She's not like cutting around it. There's a baby coming out of vagina. Like, it's, uh, and it's, uh, and it's, uh, and it's really striking, but it's really strong, but it's certainly not going to be for everyone. Fair enough. All right, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'll go through really quick because I wasn't super crazy about it and I really don't want to be mean or anything.

I mean, I mean about it, but I just, uh, it's a film called, uh, can I get a witness? It's the new one from Anne Marie Fleming, who is a, uh, sort of a multi-hyphenate, uh, visual artist, uh, writer, animator, and filmmaker. This is the other movie. This is the other movie that deals in control during pseudo-apocalyptic times. The movie is about a world where overpopulation they realize was what was driving global warming and environmental collapse. And so the world decided like a global agreement to do a population control thing

when when when a person gets to 50 years of age they are forced to commit suicide and it's sort of like a really uninteresting Logan's run because

so I'll leave my criticism for a second but so it is so it is about this young girl Kia who is starting her first day of work as a witness and so the agreement we have here is now there are these jobs it's a job position called a witness and it's basically you're a two-person team of witnesses who goes to the house or wherever previously selected location for the person who has to commit suicide and they come to bring the device the suicide makes sure it happens because photographic equipment

and the like technology has been sort of outlawed so she has to draw these people in their final moments for reasons it's a very sloppily set up

world so it's basically Kia as this you know sort of young just starting her life, sort of guarded kind of guarded, is seeing, and whatever, and she's partnered with this sort of younger, or older hunky guy, rather. I mean, he's still a young guy, but he's older than her, and they go around, and you see them, like, go to these appointments. And what drove me nuts about the movie, and I think Jamie from Slezoids was in the screening with me, and we were talking about this afterwards, but, like, no. one in the movie really has a problem with the way the movie, like, like, like, like, so on the movie, like, like, like, like,

they're about to do or what they're about to watch someone else do, the tide kind of just goes back into the ocean and no one, like, gives a shit again. You know what I mean? So it's like, you expect in a movie, like, a story like this, there's going to be, an opposition front. There's going to be someone that this protagonist who is going to be like, people that also had these doubts about this globally agreed upon system. They have the same doubts about it as I do. Let's explore that a little more. It just doesn't do that. It's just this really bizarre doormat of a concept where everybody is just like, them's the brakes. And so like, her mother is played by Sandra O.

and she spends the movie basically in scenes while the daughter character goes out makes these appointments or whatever. She's basically preparing for her own suicide. That's how she spends the movie. And it's just this like, we got to do it for the planet. And there's no like, for as much as the movie is just dumping dump truckload after dump

truckload of exposition back on this protagonist as if she's the dumbest person. It's like the movie. It's like, it's like, it's like the movie doesn't trust itself. It doesn't trust the audience's intelligence. Uh, and you're watching this movie and it's just basically re-explaining the concept of the movie to this character. And I'm like, she knows. She lives in the world. And we got it. You told us four times already. Like, it's one of those movies where it's explaining the concept of the movie still in like the last 10 minutes of the movie. And I just felt it had nothing to say about actual overpopulation. That was all just like lipstick on a pig for this is really bad suicide pack, pseudo-sci-fi. Again, lazy Logan's run, at least in Logan's run, people got a fucking problem with it. They go on the run. And this is just like, you know, it's just shoulder shrugged the motion picture. and I just thought it was a complete failure. And the other thing too, the copy talks about, you know, you know, you know, Fleming is an animator. And it's like there's all, it's a live action movie, but it's just peppered with all this great animation. And like, they kind of just give up on that about like halfway through the movie. And then it kind of comes up here and there again. But I'm like, if you're going to do something like that and the animation is great. It's very striking. I mean, if you look here, this still is. is he is drawing a dude

to commit suicide these animated ducks it's really nice and there's just like not enough of it did you get bored of this idea you know in post production or something and you just didn't want to do it or did like a resource thing happen

I don't know but I was like really wanting more of that animation too because I thought it was really gorgeous looking and there's just not enough of it we got two more here so I'm just going to blabber through the only one left, because now, uh, uh, uh, is, but, but, uh, but I did, you know, I think, you know, you know, the more that I sit on it. I think this is probably the best thing I saw

at the festival. It's the new one from Gia Coppola, uh, the last show girl. Now, this is, uh, you may have heard some rumblings about this. Uh, it's Pamela Anderson in this movie playing the titular last showgirl. She plays a woman who has been in the same, Vegas strip, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, by a club technician, Dave Batista, who's fantastic in the movie, um, that the show's closing. And so the whole movie is Pam Anderson's character being like, well, shit, this is all I've ever done. You know, I'm in my 50s now. Uh, our society is as such where like, now she's just deemed garbage to be thrown

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, and in this kind of business. So it's her grappling with that, along with her team of friends in the showgirl thing, the act, retired showgirl who's now a cocktail waitress at a casino, played by a fabulous Jamie Lee Curtis. And then Kiernan Shipka is like the young girl just getting on the scene. uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, like a little family kind of unit.

And then Dave Batista is the guy who manages them and he's like actually a sweet dude. And so it's like just, it's, it's mainly Pam Anderson and she's like grappling with this. She's got a, uh, a dirter that she doesn't see too much, uh, you know, because of the show and everything. Um, and it is just, it's, it's a beautifully shot movie. I think Gia Coppola did a little bit. She does lean a little bit. In the, the camera's hovering, while we watch her think. You know, and like that kind of stuff, it eventually sort of settled down as far as that goes. So the habit was kind of broken, but I was sitting there like, all right, can we get a fucking medium shot here? You know, having forbid, maybe a wide every once in a blue moon. I mean, we're in Vegas. Yeah, like, we're in Vegas for Christ's sakes. Like, I want to see Vegas, you know? But boy, it's, it's, it's a special movie. And she's really great in it. Anderson is a, like, like,

only a, a career high for her, but this is a career redefining role for her. I mean, it's, it's unbelievable the performance that she gives and that Giacopola gets out of her. And Jamie Lee Curtis, too, like the both of them are just absolutely fucking fearless in this movie. And I, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I, I, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was little cynical. The only other movie of GAs I've seen is Palo Alto, which I wasn't crazy about. And so I was kind of like, okay. And then, like, after I came out, I was like, boy, howdy. I, I, I was wronged to have low expectations for this.

Primo stuff. Primo Scuzzy guy, Vegas guy haircut on Dave Bautista, by the way. also Primo scumbag, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, but oddly enough, I was reading, because I'm like, how does nobody have this movie? And I remembered at the start of it, the utopia logo comes up. Utopia, I guess is only functioning as the sales agent for it. Uh, and I'm like, utopia, like, just put it out. Like, put it out yourselves.

Make it one of your movies. And, you know, maybe they will and maybe they have. Um, but just really, really special, you know, you know, good-looking, really, I really, really, um, um, um, so here we go. Final, final final thing of our TIF coverage from this year. And again, thanks for everybody for tuning in and, you know, re-downloading, uh, on the feed. Um, you know, we will be doing New York Film Festival coverage in a couple weeks. So stay tuned for that as well on both YouTube and Twitch. on the podcast feed. So the new one from Mariel Heller, director of other movies, I think. bitch, the new one here with Amy Adams from Searchlight Pictures coming out in limited release this December.

So clearly Searchlight is confident enough in this movie to position it as an end of year awards rollout. Well, Amy Adams is in it. It has to be an awards contenders, doesn't it? It has to be that way. That is what we are doing now. yeah uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'll, you know, like I didn't hate this movie. Um, but I just think it's again, something I've seen too often, which is a good Amy Adams performance inside a movie that's just kind of like not doing her any justice. No, and I, I mean, I think, I mean, the, the, the, the general idea is it's, it's a woman dealing with her, uh, a child. I mean, like what, but two years old, something like that.

something like that's, he's talking a lot. stuff like it feels like a terrible two's kind of movie. But it's just that dealing with that end of marriage and having an awakening sort of brought on by a mystical book she finds in a library. Given to her by Jessica Harper of Suspheria fame. Which was very, it's nice to see her, honestly. Yeah, half as she's working. It was cool to see her pop up in a movie. You know, I think the problem here is that we were talking about this right before we had to leave. And I think there's not many movies made about being pregnant and then like what that means to the body and what that means to the horror has tried to do this more often and made it a horrific thing. it's more difficult a positive vision of it

it's a complicated vision. That's what I think was trying to do with Adams and it just goes south. There's too many things trying to be done at the same time. It is very female centric so like when

for the first half of the movie Scoot McNary as the husband is very much a sideline character. He's mostly for punchlines. It's very much like oh, can't, can't, can you mean? Can you can you mean? Like, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's a lot of this movie's vibe is that kind of like, isn't this all crazy and wild mommy blogger kind of vibe to it, you know? Yeah, and like, oh, my shitty husband who needs help with everything. And like, to a degree, if it had stayed that way, if Scoot me, Mary had continued to be a sideline joke, it might have worked, or at least it might have cohered, a. little bit more at the end. But once you start making about half way through, maybe even, they try to make him a character.

And the element, like, what you're trying to show in the first is like a woman who is trying to claw her way back to like an individuality, like having her own self again and having her own release from before she was a mother, like separating herself from the child a little bit every once in a while. And eventually, you can see she's trying to say, well, too, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they're, like, they're already connected to the child from the beginning. Men don't have to go through that by nature or by organic process. They have to, like, force themselves to do it.

And, like, what this movie is arguing is that you should do that. But the problem is, is that once Scoop McDerry is, begins to become a character, they kind of don't. know what to do with him. Unless you're going to do the movie, unless you're going to the movie and make it works, then maybe it works. Then you get to see whatever process he has to go through. But it is this, this, the genre element of her becoming a dog because of the, because of her motherly feelings and all these emotions and things she's going through and her the tearing between like individuality and becoming a family person. Like, That element, if you want to push it, I certainly would have connected it more with other people. But like, if you do that, it fundamentally shifts the kind of movie you're making and putting out. It's no longer a positive or even an insightful attempt to explain motherhood in some way. It's not you can't do both at the same time. Honestly, maybe you could, but it's certainly not what they're up to here.

That's not what the transformation scenes, like, like, like, like, like, it's not bad. It's not like, I'm indifferent to that. I, I, it happened. That sure, that sure happened. Yes. And it's weird because that's the kind of stuff that they're selling the movie on. And I mean, that's not the film's fault, but that's just like what the copy reads about. And that's, you know, when you look at like, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you do fundamentally change the DNA of the movie. And so I'm not saying it should have done that necessarily. But my thing I couldn't get over in the movie is there are times in the movie where it feels like they are saying this stuff is all in her head. And then there's other times in the movie where it very much confirms that, yeah, but so it goes, but so it tries to do both of them at the same time I was like, this is, this is distracting me because now you start, you're watching the movie and you're asking stuff like, well, she just said to Scoot McNary, hey, now I have eight nipples. And Scoot McNary then just saw her naked in the shower and doesn't notice that. And like, I guess you can put that on like, oh, he's the clueless husband, but like, I saw those extra nipples when she's got the makeup on it. You'd notice it was distracting to me I felt like the movie didn't make a decision and it's not just like that

it's just like the way the characters react to things she's saying because the movie definitely does a mix of you know like Scoot McNary says something at one point and she slaps them in the face and you're like whoa and then uh oh it turned out she just imagined that yeah yeah but then there's other parts

where like she's actually saying and doing things, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, it's like, back and forth with that. And I was like, you got to land on, either people are noticing the shit and you're talking about it more in the movie, or it's way more of a metaphorical thing. Because they also try, like, she's having these flashbacks to, like, her mother when, you know, like the Amy Adams character was a child and she inherited this from the mother. And I get, I get, like, on the allegory side, what you're talking about. inheriting there. The way you're showing these flashbacks and the mother's also turning into the dog. You're making it. You're leaning into that stuff's actually happening all the time. So I just found that a bit wishy-washy. I did think, you know, Amy's good for what it is. It's just it didn't work for me. I will say the boy, howdy. It is 98 minutes of pure uncut grade A birth control. Holy Christ almighty. If I did not have any interest in that shit before, I saw.

certainly do not after watching night bitch. Um, um, um, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but, uh, so, you know, uh, we'll see. Uh, I don't know if searchlight has another huge hit on their hands, like they had last year with the Yorgos picture, um, the name of which escapes me. What the fuck was that called? Yorgos Lantthamos, Emma Stone. Oh, of, of, what the fuck? The foe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, uh, uh, uh, uh, poor things. There we go. Yeah. I mean, poor things was their big movie last year. So, so I don't know if this will, you know, you know, you know, you know, you'll reach that's, you know, you know, you know, I'm not saying, like, don't check it and see, you know, where do you land on this? Like, does that bother you? Because it, the wishy-washiness of it, like, I'm at least in the first, like, brush of it. I'm at least willing to excuse it as this is her mental state collapsing. You don't know what she means, what she doesn't mean, what she's thinking out loud, what she's keeping to herself, imagining.

I'm okay with that at first, eventually you do, you never push. If that is going to continue, like her crazier, like her becoming crazier is like eating meatloaf without hands and like like like rolling around into dirt with her kid, like which are pretty normal mom thing. Like, say what you will about eating without the hands. Yeah, okay, it's a little silly. But I, it's not something out of the fucking realm of possibility when you're having goof off. your kid, to me isn't to me, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, she doesn't, and, again, you don't really know if she did it or you didn't, didn't, uh, but if you had taken those things a little bit more seriously, if you had to think about the mortal and moral consequences of such thing a little bit more seriously, maybe, maybe, maybe you get something out of this. And maybe you find the heart of this idea, the way, uh, to be, to be. clear. She did very easily. Can you ever forgive me? Can you? And a beautiful. I mean, I just was like, I needed this. I needed this to go somewhere else. And there were like five things on the list. And she was like, let's do all of them. And it just left me kind of being like, well, I, whatever, man. Like, cool. Amy Adams, again, like with all of these fucking movies that she puts out. She's good again. But like all the other stuff, I'm just like, I. I'm just like, I. don't care about her movie. I haven't cared about her movie since, probably. I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah. I mean, that's the last one that I was really like, fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's great. You know what I mean? Yeah, so, you know, who knows? We'll see what other people think, but that was just our vibe on. I will say, this was another one I was at a public screening for, it played incredibly well. I knew watching it that people in the room were enjoying it much more than I was, which is fine. That's the fun of all this. Speaking of the fun of all this, I do want to, because he kicked in,

some, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and I, uh, money's worth, money's worth here. Uh, just says, I tend to pass up on screens to avoid spoilers, which by the way, barnaby, first of all, we do go out of our way to avoid spoilers on the street live proper. So that's put that out there. But they say, uh, I'll be damned. If they don't have a four or five new movies on the radar now. Well, that's, that's exactly why we're doing this point of me. So thank you for bringing that up. Uh, this is, it's one of the fun things about covering film festivals like this is getting the audience hip to stuff.

so you can be aware of stuff because as we say here all the time, that fucking movie pipeline man is constantly clogged with stuff. And we're just here to help you maybe sift through a little bit of it. So that's going to do it for our 2024 Toronto coverage. Chris, this was a lot of fun, man. And I can't wait to do it next year with you. And hopefully other dudes can come from the show as well this time next year. But that's going to do it.

Stay tuned to socials and everything, by the way, for when OSL comes back proper, but also when we announce the coverage of what we're going to do New York stuff, because it'll probably be like this, some off days, not necessarily Mondays at noon. So just be aware of all that. And that's about it. Remember, of course, like and subscribe to the channel, like this video, get those notifications. We like hanging out with you guys. So thanks for tuning in.

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