We Hate Movies - S15: Summer Patreon Unlock - Episode #446: The Shining (W❤️M)

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Originally Released October 3, 2019 [EDITOR'S NOTE: Odds are you have already heard this classic W❤️M on The Shining, however we did record a new intro for this one that contains some pretty exciting Patreon-related news! So be sure to check this out and have a great time revisiting a fan-fave WLM classic episode! And get ready, because WHM16 starts NEXT WEEK with a redux episode to beat the band! - Andrew] “This is like taking out a nice bottle of wine…” - Steve on covering this film On this month's Spooktacular episode of We ❤️ Movies, the gang is talking about one of the all-time greats: Stanley Kubrick's The Shining! Just look at how much of a jerk Jack is being during that job interview. How come Dick Hallorann can't do a better job covering up that "Doc" flub in the kitchen? And who in their right mind decided that this film deserved Razzie nominations? PLUS: Welcome to Shelley Duvall's Haunted House! The Shining stars Jack Nicholson, Shelley Duvall, Danny Lloyd, Scatman Crothers, Barry Nelson, Philip Stone, Joe Turkel, and Tony Burton; directed by Stanley Kubrick. Don’t sleep on snagging your tickets to our 15th Anniversary show this December where we’re talking all things Arnold in Total Recall! It’s gonna be a gas and we wanna see you there! Click through for tickets now! Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

Be-ne-D-D-E-D-Doh-E-N-E-D-D-E-B-D-E-B-D-E-E-B-E-D-E-B-E-E-B-E-D-E-B-E-J-E-E-B-E-E-R-E. Well, folks, we are back from summer vacation, and we're gearing up to start WHM season 16 next week. If you can even believe that, you guys. The boxes have to go to the warehouse, Eric. They have to go open to the... Oh, yeah. No, we're stuck doing inventory, which is why we can't record a new podcast just yet.

I mean, this is new enough. New enough. I got to alphabetize these. And one of these days I'm going to get organized. Oh, my God. I got to spray all these VHS tape boxes for bed bugs. Oh, yeah. And sticky stains, too.

Oh, dude. If they come over my house, the stickiest of stains. Oh, God. It's just a... It's just all stick at your house. That's how that happens. Why doesn't it dry? You should be drying by now.

I don't get this. Why is it still sticky? Oh, my God. Speaking of sticky, you know what? The floors at the Overlook Hotel when that blood came out, that's a sticky floor now. You're not getting that up. But the cool thing is we're unlocking a Patreon episode. This is our first WLM when we unleashed that new tier way back when.

And I mean, this is years and years ago, like $20 something or other. Speaking of new tears, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, shit, I'm crying. I'm crying. Do you have the information? Yes, I do. So we are starting a new $15 tier. What?

And it is a tier, get this, that is all vidia. That's right. Not just hearing our ugly voices, but seeing our ugly faces. How about that is what's going to happen. It is a tier called the Craven And we're calling that Tier the Craven because We're introducing

A brand new show Which Steve, I'm going to give it to you It's a quarterly show I'm going to give it to you Because you came up with the name for it And I think it's pretty fucking cool It is Oh God, I forgot the name It's called WHM

Scareddy Cats Thank you I talked about a lot I forgot that we solidified on Scareddy Cats That's right It is a quarterly video show where we will be doing a full, full-on show, a full-length show on a 10 years or newer that is to say more recent horror film.

That's right. We enjoy horror around the W.HM Clubhouse, but also horror is huge with our audience. And so we thought, hey, let's put together stuff we like and stuff you like and bring in, you know, a new video model, which will be very cool. Yes, let's get down in the muck with them, with the. The horror stuff, you guys love that. And that's a perfect time to announce that on this, the shining, of course. I'm excited about this. If you remember our, like, moment shows, this is sort of what that is.

We're going to be putting it here. You're going to be able to replay it. You're going to be able to download an MP3 version. You can watch us, your choice. That's right. Anything you want, baby. So, yeah, like we said, they will be quarterly. And we're going to get to something in a second.

It's another cool video thing that's going to fill those gaps in between. the Scarety Cats episodes. But Steve, the first one, which is dropping appropriately enough during our Halloween spooktacular this October. What are we talking about? We're Zach Kregor crazy, at least, because I enjoyed weapons quite a bit

and everybody else enjoyed it less than I did, but at varying levels. But we all enjoyed the movie Barbarian. That's right. Yes. So we're going to basically be doing a full episode, a full show, on Zach Gregor's Barbarian, folks.

That's coming out in October. And yeah, video, and like Eric said, there will be an MP3 attached so you can take it on the go, but we want to get into new video content. This is a way that we can do it sort of in advance, which is nice for us timing-wise.

But like we said, to cover those months where there's also no scarity cats happening, we're going to be doing another cool video thing. And folks who are hanging out with us a couple weeks ago when we did that video test.

This is more of the format of that. It is called W.H.M. After Dark. And it is going to be a monthly check-in show where it's basically us doing Ask Us Anything. It's a chat show. We're going to be taking questions. Chris Cabin. What are you talking about?

Aren't we showing Duckman and the weird science show? No, no, no. We're not doing USA after Dark. By the way, that was it was, it was, you know, USA up all night, first of all. Wait, hold on. I think it was after dark. Was it? Anyway. No, it was it was USA up on night. We talked about it with Gilbert Godfried. Let him just fact check that real quick.

And then let me also say, you know, we're doing Barbarian as that first scaredy cats. But this is also, it's not going to be just WLM, right? Like, we're going to do different stuff. Yeah. Mix it up. Good stuff. Trash stuff. And here's the rad little, little, little, little, not a hitch exactly but a nice little bonus thing

of Scarety Cats is that you the viewer get to weigh in on the curation so at the end of the Barbarian episode we're going to give you two movies as options to cover for the next Scarety Cats offering

and then on Patreon folks you're going to get to vote we'll have a poll up you vote in the poll which one you want us to cover more get people interacting in another way with the programming around here so that's going to be a fun

crazy element to it but yes Eric to your point we'll have good stuff like barbarian we'll have crappy horror movies too because why not we'll talk about everything in between the only rule is they can't be any older than 10 years so the reverse of our almost exclusively defunct 10 year rule for we hate movies

scary cats is the opposite of that right and if you want a sense of this on our Patreon shop now there's a shop on the Patreon you can get the our old moment show on Terminator Dark Fate, where it is a visual show, and you could watch us do it.

You can get that on the Patreon shop now. You can finally see Eric's beautiful diagram of how a Terminator impregnates a woman. It's a wonderful piece of artwork if you get to see it. And I do want to be clear, we are doing this after dark hangout thing. The first one is September

16. There you go. So you want to sign up. You want to get, make sure you're ready, you'll get your notifications. and stuff and you can just join that chat. We'll be answering your questions and just sort of virtually hanging out with all of our clothes on everybody. That's right. Clothes? Everybody has to have all their clothes on.

Option. No, no. Required. Required. Required is the word you want there. Sorry, little guy. You're going to stand in the pocket today. Oh, you're starting with him, huh? I always start with him. Of course. That's like my third thumb. Oh, ew. It's callous. I use it to look through the

mail. You get it with a hammer comically all the time. Oh God, another phone book. That is more disturbing than the movie The Shining. Yes, it very much is, but this is an awesome

We Love Movies episode from, Eric, what did you say? 2019 this came out. Oh, my God. October 2019. It is like, what, six years.

Oh, is that right? Uh, right. Almost. Oh, my God. Almost that. And it's, you know, what we now deemed the before times.

So, you know, that'll be interesting. And also, you know, the cruel bitch known as time, I'm sure we all sound way different. Oh, sure. Which, you know, doing the show for 15 years, that's going to happen. But even as a time that seems so recent as 2019, which I guess isn't recent at all, but we will sound completely different. But the comedy will be the same. The show will be the same. The movie we're talking

about will be the same. Which is The Shining. So that's it. Remember, yeah, Scarety cats on the new Craven Tier, WHM After Dark every month. Scarety Cats quarterly, a full-on video experience from We Hate Movies going on. But until then, enjoy us six years ago almost talking about The Shining, directed by Stan Kubrick. On this month's all new patrons-only, we love movies spooktacular edition. Man, there are some good sweaters in this movie. It's The Shining. I'm Andrew Jupin.

Steven Sadek. Chris Gavin. Eric Shinska. And we love movies. We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's a title of one good scare. Sometimes.

That is better. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in! It is time to keep your appointment with the Wickham Man. They're coming to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fucks using one too many movies. Now, Sid! Don't you blame the movies!

Movies don't create psychos! Movies make psychos! More creative! That's an excellent day for an exorcism. Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Love Movies. Thank you for tuning in as always. And thank you for being the spooktacular Patreon subscriber that you are.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think this is going to be a good one for everybody. Because it's like taking out a nice bottle of wine during the season. Oh, yeah. I want to just like, I want to watch The Shining because they're watching The Shining. I hope you all watch The Shining. Absolutely.

And this is, of course, from 1980. directed by Stanley Kubrick. Fucking finally, this guy's going to get his just desserts on this show. Long time coming, Barry Lyndon, motherfucker.

Our last, our lost episode on Path of Glory, sadly. Not here. And of course, just as a reminder, if you're new

to the Patreon subscription service, every full-length bonus app that you get every month now is going to be a we love movie situation. And this is,

this is the last time we're going to be saying that. You got your little, you know, warning with, Gold and I, now you got two. That's it. Wow, Chris Gavin laying down the fucking hammer. Figure it the fuck out.

Figure it out. Wow. So I'm not even, I don't have to ask, I know it was no one's first time seeing this movie. Do you mind if I just set the tone? Oh, sure. Oh, a good tone setting, Steve. But I will say this is the first time I've heard of this director. I've seen

the film before, but it was Stanley Cobbrick? Mr. Cohn-in-law and do the other thing. not because the other thing but because they're a mother Yeah, you know what?

Yeah, you know what he means by the bankers by the back room. Yeah, you know what he means by bankers, by the way? You weren't kidding about this. It's such a stretch. Stop before Tim Waits fucking sues us. Holy shit. The bankers in the back room. Yeah, I know what that means.

I thought that was about to be the Mamushka. No. We danced the Mamushka while. For Jack the Ripper. Well, Rome burned and, et cetera. Okay, Steve, you're very well-in-tuned with this song. This is a thing you brought with to the show today. It's a documentary.

Yeah, could you explain where it's from? That's a documentary called. I believe it's called Under the Masonic Moon about the faking of the moon landing, which obviously the shining is all about. Right, it's what it's all about. Right, because now Danny in this film, at one point, where is an Apollo sweater? Apollo 11 specifically.

So it's his confession to having done it. He's just shoving it in everybody's face. He's like, I can't believe it. The balls on that goupric. You fake the moon landing and then that's the whole thing. I know you just said you were watching it,

but has everyone seen Room 237 the documentary? I have a few years ago. I didn't rewatch it in preparation. It's a Rodney Asher film, I believe. It's so fucking good because like people watch it And they're like, oh, man, that shit's crazy.

But you're like, no, it's a movie about, like, crazy obsessives. It's nothing. Like, he's not making a statement about the shining. No, totally not. It's like, look at all these fucking weirdos wasted their time. And everybody's got their own idea about what the hell is going on. And it's fascinating to watch them, quote, unquote, put the pieces together. Well, it's weird now to watch it after seeing room turdice.

Because I'm starting to look at everything. They're saying like, they're kind of right. I don't know. It's a weird. is it's a weird movie like on pretty much on purpose but I mean like there's a lot of like unanswered little corridors of the film they get into the moon landing

stuff in there right? Yes they do yeah they do they that's a little bit they show Danny in the shirt and they also say that room 237 if you look at the right way it looks like it's saying moon room or something that room is where they fake the moon land I just love the idea that it's like well

he did a fucking popular science fiction film where it looked good it'd be like if the moon landing didn't happen and happen now you'd be like Michael Bay fake the fucking moon landing I saw him again Well that's it yeah exactly Wouldn't you get someone less high profile

Like I don't know get like some dude in the CIA That knows how to put a camera in a room Yeah Gary you know agent 47 in the CIA He used to direct fucking industrial films With George Romero in Pittsburgh Exactly you could put a bullet in his head right after Exactly Well or you just wait a little while

Fake a heart attack for Stanley Kubrick Oh, right. Once he starts talking too much of making this eyes wide shut. They fucking put that dog down, dude. There is a theory going around right now. Chris Cabin, you probably read this. About what? There was like a thread online that the,

that the journalist who reported Jeffrey Epstein's death. Yes. Also, mysteriously, because I don't, because I don't know how journalism works, reported the deaths of Stanley Kubrick, John F. Kennedy Jr., all these people that might have been, quote-unquote assassinated.

Interesting. I do know one fact about Stanley Kubrick's death action under Barrett Back to the Shining. Shelly Duvall laughed at his funeral. She smoked the world's longest cigarette laughed at his funeral. Reads a newspaper goes over to her

fucking record player. A lovely day. Love the day. Love the day. Love the day. Lovely day. She was famously tortured. on the set of this film, which helped elicit the performance, question mark. I mean, this was a thing that directors have been doing for a long time.

Hitchcock broke down people. Hitchcock fucking nailed women's shoes to the floor. No, but I mean, it's great. I mean, you were about to start the episode and then I derailed it with Under the Messonic Moon. But, no, we're, listen, this is, I was thinking about this when I was rewatching the movie this morning over some black coffee at 9 a.m. I love when we record on Wednesdays because I work from home and I, and watch the movie in the morning and it feels like a real job.

Oh, sure, yeah. No, but I was like, how the fuck do you do a WL or HM episode about a movie like this? That's just, I mean, I think this might be, you know, one of the biggest movies. I mean, we did a lot of big movies in like the previous WLLR.

Sure. It's a wonderful one for whatever. AFI shit, as we call it. AIFI shit, yeah, exactly. I should as well. This is a thing where it's like, we don't have to really explain too much of the movie.

No, totally. Everybody knows what's going on here. So I'm fine. talking about stuff on the periphery as well. You know, because it's all part of it. But if you're a young person who stole your parent's credit card to sign up for this

Patreon, first of all, thank you. Second of all, if you haven't seen the Shining, stop right now. Watch it. Come back, press play. This isn't one of those, like, I'll just listen to what they have to say about it. Then I go check out that movie. You just got to check out that movie, man. But there's a different. You know, Forrest Gump, that's AFI, shit. It's a wonderful life is the AFI shit. This is that

dank AFI. This is the stuff that's actually good that's on the AFI list. It's pretty rare. It's made about 20 actual good movies. Right, because the AFI list is like, number one, Forrest Gump. Number 59, the Shannon. Well, I think it's one of those things. If you are to work

at the AFI in some capacity, like, you have to have a tattoo that says like, I love movies. Get your popcorn. Keep it nice and safe at the movies. Boomer or bust, too. They don't hire any young people there. I'll tell you, that much. We open on this awesome

helicopter shot, dude. The copter shots. I love it. This is one of those movies where it starts and you're like, oh yeah, I'm watching The Shining. It just sort of happens. Yep. And like, the movie is dread. It's full of dread. The score is like so overpowering. Right out of the gate. Yes.

But even in my house, I'm like, oh, I'm like rubbing my hands here. Here comes the Shining, baby. Because it's just, it's a, you know, like a goodens come in. Yes. You know, also this reminded me, I'm looking up the date just to be sure here. just hold on one sec there yeah you know what 1981

Sam Ramey's the evil dead because this the opening when we're flying they attach the camera to this helicopter and whatnot and they flew over the water there's a there's like a piece of like driftwood or something like in the middle of this lake or whatever very much reminded me of the opening of evil

it's like a ghostly presence that's kind of drawing Jack to this whole thing tell. Right, right. It just started making me think if Kubrick was actually bullying everybody on the set. Like, even the helicopter rider was like, you're a shitty fucking pilot. You're a shit pilot. You understand that. Get back up there. Oh, man. I better fly this helicopter extra good now that totally Cooper killed me. Exactly. Well, those things. World War II veterans. Like, you know, it's like 1890. Jeez, I flew over Normandy, but that was the worst job I ever had working for Stanley Kubrick. But you know what, to his credit, I did a better job that day because I was a little scared, a little Stanley. I forget, because I was just reading this on the Tribune because Kubrick, not just in this movie, with everything, he did very famously like

dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of takes about everything. Yeah. And I guess Scatman Crothers fucking hated being in this movie because he, there was one scene where he had to say a line a hundred times. And whatever the next movie was that he was in, do you remember the movie? I don't remember the movie, but I remember the director. It was Clint Eastwood. Oh, yes. He was like a one and done kind of a guy. Yeah. And he's like started crying because he was so thankful to just do like a take or two and be done with it. And I mean, like it gets results. You know what I mean? Like this movie, it is immaculate. It's like

completely concentrated coffee, like delicious coffee. Um, one of the things I love at the start of this, by the way, and it's just so weird because it has, you don't see it, I think placed anywhere else in this movie, uh, just the neon blue font of these credits. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Fuck is that sexy. It's lovely. It's also like everyone in the movie gets their own opening credit. Like literally, it's a pretty small cast to begin with, but like everybody's in there. One name at a time rolling by. I love the respect. I completely forgot about Tony Curtis. And then I was just like, holy fuck Tony Curtis. Now. Remember? No, not Tony Curtis. Tony Burton. Tony Burton. Yes. Yeah, I was in The Shining.

I had to do a hundred takes. Yeah, I was in a bear suit. Don't ask. Listen, the less said about the bear suit, the better. You know what I noticed about the bear suit this time around? I think we are sympathetic on this. So I have the Blu-ray. Yeah, I haven't seen this movie since I got my bigger TV.

Also, by the way, the fucking crazy sound bar that I have now, the score was out of control. But the bear shot, dude. Did you notice the guy's ass is hanging? This is the first time I ever noticed. I never noticed cheeks. He's ready for action. Oh, yeah. He's always had that ass out.

I was more struck by was the face the other guy was making. Like, yeah. Oh, did you take the wrong turn? I'm sorry. Just like, oh, sorry. We're going to get there, but I have a fan theory about those ghosts.

Because this is a ghostly hotel, as we know. It's a haunted hotel. Full of haunted ghosts. Right. And like at the end of the movie, everything goes. crazy. It is hilarious. That's the first thing that lets you know everything is wrong. It's like

a dude to bear suit is blowing a guy in a tuxedo. But the I think that, you know, like, I guess by the way, first of all, do we know for a fact that it's a dude? I think it's a gentleman. Yeah, I don't, I just assume. Yeah, I guess I always assumed. Maybe, maybe, correct me if I'm wrong.

That looks like a hairy ass sticking out. That doesn't look. It might be one of those Cotonel bears because. My honey is clean. Yeah, it's clean because Because he took the flap out and let the cheeks fly. Cover-alls that don't quite cover all. There's all these pictures, you know, 1921, this ball, that ball, all this stuff.

What if they were just too, you know, the implication is like, oh, these are two guys or two people that hooked up and then died in the hotel. What if, you know, guy in the bear suit died in 1948, guy in the tuxedo died in, like, 1969, but they all, they, they, like, met each other and fell in ghost love. Fucking in the afterlife. That's beautiful. That's really beautiful. I'm glad you're bringing this fucking ghost of girlfriend's past energy to the show. No, that's, dude, that's like my ultimate fantasy, though, like being a ghost, I can finally go find Jane Wyman. You know, you're just at the never-ending bar, the ball that's always on.

You're like, yeah, yeah, see, no, I've been looking at that guy in that bear suit. It's kind of like him in the, I think, oh, you think he likes you, he might. Do you think there was from, who's there? Do you think the Overlook hosted like a furry convention And that dude like fucking drown in the tub The world's first furry convention It was invented there by the devil By Dracula and the devil

My question is now Okay now is sex is ghosts having sex with ghosts You'd think that'd be the safest sex there is? Actoplasm Ghost babies Maybe that's how the demons are launched upon the That's also possible

depending on the blood moon or not If we learned anything From our fucking Twilight commentaries Monsters can procreate Yeah that's true So you gotta be careful You gotta have your wits about you

When you're in a haunted hotel That's the thing It's like you're like Oh yeah I'm a ghost Now I can have a beautiful Unprotected sex And then all of a sudden You're raising a slimer

Oh man baby slimer That's how you get started A guy in a bear suit gave a guy in tuxedo a blow job and then six months later, because it's different a slimer came out of the dude's junk. Oh, it is different, isn't it? And then the guy in the tuxedo

clearly had ghost herpes afterwards. They're just pissing out a full slimer, hot dogs at all. But then the problem is if you hook up with somebody at your ghost, you know, that's somebody that you're serving eternity with. Right. If it goes south, it's like, oh, is that Barry over there? Yeah. Barry the bear. Shit.

I'm going to wait. I'm going to let him go to this party tonight. That means, though, the move is. If you plan on becoming a ghost and getting in a relationship with another ghost at the place that you're haunting, you better make sure it's a fucking huge hotel like The Overlook. That's true. All right, you know what, Gary, you stay in the

West Wing, you know, I'll be over in the gold ballroom, you know. Can you believe he dumped me for lovely party, isn't it, guy? Can you believe it? What does that guy got that I don't got? A bleeding skull? Oh, he's been through all of them. Ghosts,

walls, doors. um bear suit guy i found your uh account on a ghost ashley madison ghostly madison aren't you glad we're doing this movie you got your five bucks we're done no life's over having a fair see it goodbye so one of the most spooky moments from this film is right up front dude jack nicholson on a job interview Oh, yeah, man. Man.

This performance is so great. I mean, this is what Stephen King famously hated this movie. It's his least favorite adaptation because it takes so many liberties. And it's a Stanley Kubrick movie. It's not Stephen King's The Shining. Correct. It's Stanley Kubrick's the shining. But, like, Nicholson, and he hated Nicholson because, like, the idea is like, oh, Jack Torrance is, you're supposed to, like, feel for him and then, like, watch him go crazy.

But, Nicholson. But, yeah, Nicholson's, like, seething with rage this entire time. Yeah. This is one of my favorite Nicholson Performer, like, top three probably. Oh, yeah. Because he's playing, like, he is putting all of himself into it, but

like, you don't feel he's not cool. Yes. All. Like, not even a little bit. It's not like fucking as good as it gets where he treats Helen Hunt like shit. And then you're supposed to be like, oh, that guy's all right. Well, see, he treats Helen Hunt like shit in that movie, but he does that fucking cool thing where he moves

his eyebrows and the sunglasses fall down. Like, that's pretty fucking cool and it forgives a whole lot exactly but this movie you're like the entire time like this guy's a fucking asshole like in this job interview he's I don't know how he gets this job and it's amazing because you

the viewer can see right through it like the way he's answering these guys you know like I love it oh it's beautiful you know it's like he's kind of just being like shittily toxicly sarcastic the whole time and these two other dudes don't see it

I don't think. It's like he doesn't have, he doesn't hold the opinions he's saying, but he's overdoing it to get the job. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. Yes,

I love it. That's exactly what it is. I think they can tell, but they're scared to not give him the job. Yeah. Because they know what could have. Because you notice how at the very end, they're like,

oh, by the way, there was a murder that happened here. We don't want that happening again. Could you not do that, please? I love this delivery. The guy's just like, listen, I got to tell you this whole. I think his name is all.

Alman, you know, just I don't, they didn't tell you in Denver? Okay, I'll tell you. A couple of years ago, we had a little thing and guy killed his friend. And it's just like the way he says it's so matter of fact. It's like, no, no, if you just, you got to jiggle the handle. Like, hey, he cut them all up.

He wants the job so bad. He acts like it's a good thing, too. He's like, oh, I can't wait to tell my wife, you know, she's a confirmed ghost story and horror filmatic. Oh, right. Yeah. She'd love it. Dude, but that's classic job interview 101, dude.

Take a negative and just turn it into a positive. He's thinking on his feet. I think also, because they don't mention anything about it, it's possible he's the only person that applied for this job. Everyone else is like, I got to do what, where for how long, probably will definitely be snowed in and stranded. No, thank you. He's coming from Vermont and everyone around there has read the newspaper.

No one wants the job. in the book there's an awesome thing where he finds like a scrapbook of like the fucking sorted history of the hotel oh yeah you see it in the film briefly uh he's like got it out on the big table where he's writing but it's never acknowledged but that's like he gets that after he's already taken the job everyone in boulders like oh yeah the overlook yeah don't go up there my question is so he says yeah my wife's a confirmed horror story addict or whatever like is that true or like because there's no scene where he goes back Wendy you're never going to believe it

there's been a fucking triple homicide where we're staying for five months we hit the big time baby I don't think he ever tells her no but that's why I think even more he might just be making that up turning a negative into a positive to get this fucking job oh yeah yeah oh they were stacked up oh that's that's interesting

oh with an axe chopped them up with an axe that's interesting sure I've got caretaker experience I'm from Vermont I watch Bob Newhart's bread and breakfast for a whole winter. Oh, stacked up. Oh, you know, I have a son and he loves Jenga. We do, we're intercutting

this interview scene with we get Shelley Duval and Danny. They're just watching TV. There's an establishing shot of their Colorado apartment complex which I never noticed before. Yeah, totally. It means nothing. It adds nothing. But it's just, again,

just sometimes you rewatch these great movies that you've seen a thousand times and you, like, hear or see something you haven't before. And I was like, what, that's not the hotel. And then when they cut into the apartment, I was like, oh, it's the complex. Never noticed that establishing shop before. You probably also never noticed that that establishing

shot also reveals that JFK was killed. Oh, right, right, right. A conspiracy. Well, because there's a grassy knoll right in it. You know what you do see in this scene? And so it's Shelley Duval and the boy watching TV, like Steve said, and he's eating a sandwich.

And did you guys notice the crazy thing that was happening with Danny's sandwich? Here we go. It was just a sandwich made at home that wasn't cut in half. What a bizarre thing to do to a sandwich. You know what?

Did you watch the rest of the movie, Steve? Or did you turn it off right there? I was close. You know what? That just tells you that fucking, it's Stanley Kubrick, the master of himself. That tells you it's a troubled home. Exactly.

He's just letting you know that she is so fucking distraught about this abusive relationship. the son's got problems she's too nervous to even cut a sandwich in that asshole you know i mean steve my my wife is firmly on your side thank god amy she was just like she was trying to give me a sandwich the other day and she's like oh i bet you don't want it fucking cut she's all about cutting so i was like you know what let me try it that way it's good it's a good you have to cut sandwich then after that another time i tried it uncut oh yeah

and i think you might be on to something but it's a little it just seems like a lot of effort. Also, though, I think with the diagonal cut specifically you can shove more of it into your mouth. Yeah, oh, totally. Take it from the side. So she's just... That bear guy was doing that too. That's

what the got the other ghost interested. Look at that guy. Oh, my God. Fucking eat that sandwich. You know, since we're ghosts, you can kind of just cut your dick in half. And I can just fucking house half of it. So, bear, man. Do you want your dick with crust or without? Oh, man. My ghost.

mostly bifurcated dick. Extra crushed plea. Crust is foreskin, I think. Yes. But so she's, you know, she's like, oh, you know, I think Shelley Duvall is flat out great in this movie. She's so great in this movie. She's great in everything.

By the way, did you know? So this movie was poorly received when it first came out. Right. Weirdly. It was nominated for two Razzies. How are we still talking about the Razzies after they nominated Stanley Kubrick? That's the worst director. It was her and him.

Worst director, worst actor, Shelly DeVall. I'm like, get the flying fuck out of here. Arnold W. Raspberry. That's really terrible. And so she, but she's just like, oh, you know, are you excited, Doc? We've got the whole, got to have a whole hotel to ourselves. And then he starts, even, we've eaten this, this fucking uncut sandwich. I'm not excited, Mrs. Torridge. It's me, Tony.

And this is Shelley Duval. It's not your fault, Wendy, but you got to cut that shit right out right now. We're like, listen, we're not talking. No, Tony's not real. I don't, I don't respond to Tony. We don't do this. We're not doing this at this house. You know, what with me not having children, I'll never have to deal with this.

But the idea of like when your kid is all like, oh, I have an imaginary friend. Like me personally as a child, I never had one. My brother and sisters never had one. How do you handle that? Can you just cut it off like that? I feel like that causes like a psychotic break. You're building yourself an Ed Kemper there.

It's just going to make it worse. I feel I think you're right. Because then suddenly Tony's a fucking demon. that's going to, like, go, go get the butcher knife and stab, man. And imagine a friend, the one that would really, like, I would have to, like, bite my tongue pretty hard is, he's a little boy that lives in my mouth. That's the thing, Chris.

That's exactly right, because it's not just here's my imaginary friend next to me. This motherfucker's in my mouth. And when the doctor comes later in this scene, as we cut back and forth between the apartment and the hotel interview, the doctor's like, oh, can I? if you were to open your mouth, could I see Tony? And he's like, no. And she goes, why?

And he goes, because he fucking hides in my stomach. Oh, Lord. And this doctor. Bullshit. Open up, kid. Let me see this kid. You know, that bear had a boy hiding in his mouth. I think this is just 19.

Thank you, Eric. I have a tuxedo man in my mouth. He's dressed for a formal occasion. He's a well-dressed man That lives in my mouth No, but This bespoke gentleman Who sits on my tongue

He's up on the teeth The thing about Tony, by the way Sure, yes, please Tony Tony. Tony is attempting to protect everybody Yes That's why when he grabs the knife In one night He's not threatening Shelley Duvall

No, Tony's a Tony's trying to send the warning signs out of here's the knife. By the time he grabs the knife, Tony's like, I fucking told you. And now a dog is sucking a dude's dick. But Tony is also a coy motherfucker. Yeah.

Well, you got to play it cool. You're living in someone's mouth. Danny's talking with Tony. And he's like, what are you hiding, Tony? I don't want to tell you.

You're me. Why don't you just say it? I don't want to do it. Are we on password right now? Yes, we are, Danny. You get five questions, Danny. So I never, I can't use the actual word. It's got to be in the clues.

I never read the book, but I was reading a little today on this, that apparently it's him from the future. Yeah, he's Dr. Sleep, apparently. Yeah, I had never. Yeah, it's not in the movie, obviously. No, no. No, no. I just never know what Tony is.

Yeah. And I didn't get that far. I'm reading the book now, but I didn't get that far yet. I know, but so he's like, show me what's wrong, and then he has the flash of the amazing blood, the blood in the elevator, blood elevators, yeah. He passes out. This doctor interviews him and she goes to the whole thing, finds out about Tony, lives in his stomach, lives in his mouth, all this stuff. And then she just goes in the next room, he's like, oh, it's perfectly fine. It's totally normal. Oh, your kid just passed out. That happens. I would be too worried about it. Oh, he's got an imaginary friend that lives in his mouth. That's fine. What's insane. It's like total

1970s the kid doctor might as well put a cigarette out on him But that's what first of all I was shocked That that doctor turned down Shelly Duvall's offer

of a cigarette By the way That happens But it's a weird She's like You know Mrs. Torrance It is just the damnedest thing With kids

Sometimes these things Just happen And you have no idea Why? No, you're the fuck Medical doctor lady Back in the day We would have done more

For him If we could put Cocaine back into medicine Then we could deal with Tony Tony. Well, I guess that's the thing is like, you know, nowadays,

I'm a Dave Chappelle special. No, but nowadays, you know, they'd give him some sort of medication, blah, blah, blah. Now it's just like, at fact, that's like, I'll grow out of it or he won't. Or I'll kill himself.

I don't know. Well, I guess it's a damned if you do, it's a damned if you don't, Steve, because at the same time, it's like, oh, cool, this kid isn't over Medicaid and addicted to pills. That's pretty sweet.

Yeah, but then, yeah, exactly. It's all over the book. It's so he can grow up to be an adult and battle the psychic vampires and all the stuff that's going on a duck sleep. So, I mean, he gets, I mean, unless we've got a more to say about the job interview itself, I don't think

we do. I don't think so. Although his outfit's great. I think what he, what nails this interview is this amazing tie. He's got, it's one of those square ties. I like those square ties. It's like a knit tie, right? It's a knit square tie. Yeah, they're not too bad. And he's got like a tweed jacket. Oh, yeah, totally. Very nice vibe.

I'm outlining a writing project. Five months of peace and quides. Just what I need, but also five fucking months. That's some winner, man. Well, that's, it's interesting. So, I love the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the time for the look is. May the 15th is when it starts up, which is rad. It's the day before my birthday. Oh, nice. And then it ends the day before Halloween. And I'm thinking, Mr. Allman, man. Devil's night. What is the problem with wrapping up shop on 11, too? How old. A fucking kick ass. A fucking kick ass overlook Hotel Halloween ball? Honestly,

well, we've tried to have some Halloween balls here, but the ghosts get all crazy about it. Bear guy gets very excited. He gets all excited about it. I don't want to, you don't want to be here on Halloween. You don't want to step on their day. I really think that's it. I think that's it. It's just fucking, it's just ghost

crazy. But I was bumming because when I was paying attention to the dates this time, when he said that, because I guess I was watching this for the show, so I was like, you've seen this a hundred times. You really got a fucking strap in. Definitely. when he said the dates and everything

and I thought about that and I was like, oh, fuck, cool. We're going to get a night in this hotel for Halloween. And then it's like, boom, a month later. I was like, no, no, now it's Thanksgiving. You don't want to be doing that. Bath lady gets really drunk. Starts hitting on everybody. Just touching asses.

Will not stop even when you ask. And you know she smells. I'm going to be honest with you. Even as a ghost, maybe in corporal form, she was maybe a better smelling lady. but, listen, on Halloween specifically is the only night the dragon makes an appearance.

It's stunning to look at once. But honestly, you do not want to be here every October 31st, a dragon comes out of the gold room. And you wouldn't think that a dragon would be the xenophore but the Chinese flap wings, flap wings,

flap wings, flap wings. The last thing I want to touch on for this sequence known as the interview. I tried to write down all of the next things, by the way. So for the interview. And again, this just goes to the fact that the Razies are a fucking joke and should have gone away a long time ago. The nomination of Shelley Duvall specifically.

And I want to point out in this scene where she's talking to the doctor. And she mentions, you know, oh, he had an accident. And so the doctor, like, asks her, you know, what happened? And this movie, it's a Kubrick film, obviously, so you're going to have a lot of these. but this movie has a lot of incredibly orchestrated long takes

but this long take is just on Shelley Duvall it doesn't move as she just tells this entire story it's incredible yeah she's incredible in this movie it's basically her telling the story about and like it's it's very it's terrible to watch because it's clearly this woman has been broken down like she she's in a really fraud emotional state and she's very much like oh it's just trying to

pretend it's normal, like, oh, it's just one of those things. Yeah, you grab a kid a hundred times, one time you rip his arm out of his socket. You know, my husband said he'll never drink again. It's like, yeah. Now, you mentioned the never drink again, and I just want to ask you guys this now in case I forget it later, because there was a time in consistency. So she says, and he hasn't touched a drop since, and that was five months ago. Oh, yeah. And then Nicholson also at one point mentioned something about like five months on the wagon, blah, blah, blah. At another

point, though, when he's talking to Lloyd and he's like, you know, talking about the experience, oh, she'll hang that over me, blah, blah, blah. And he says, that was three goddamn years ago. Oh, really? And so Shelley Duvall says that once that happened, he

apologized and said he wasn't going to touch another drop and then says he's been sober for five months. So like, what is that? What is the three years? What is he yelling about? I think this is just, Cooper playing around with like the effects of the house on people because there's also like time like ceases to be a real thing

or that like it's just a different world that like his sense of time is gone because another thing that I noticed is that in the beginning the guy who chopped up his family they referred to him as Charles Bradley but no at the beginning it's Charles and then they talk great then they say Brady

Grady's the last name no no I'm saying it's Charles Grady and then it turns into like Darby Delbert Oh, right. Right, right, right, right. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a good catch. Like, that's a good catch if that's true, because I, I didn't even remember the Charles. I just remembered the Delbert. It could be a thing where, like, Olman is just misremembering. This also might just be, like, Kubrick, like, confessing to all these other, like, space crimes, Illuminati.

Oh, he filmed the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Of course. It's all there. I mean, he's got to watch. He filmed it. They never released it. Oh, they shelved that project. So now they're driving up to the hotel. Closing day. Closing days. Driving to the hotel and, you know, more cool helicopter shot stuff.

And this is when we're talking about the Donner party. And again, like Jack Nicholson is grabbing at this wheel, white knuckling. Dude, he's going to pull this wheel right off the steering column. He's so fucking furious. Because the kids like, oh, Danny's like, oh, is this where the Donner party was?

I think she asked. She mentioned it. Because she's a ghost story addict. No, I think there was a bit more Wested or whatever. Like West in Sierra's. And then the thing that does it is Danny as, I'm, I'm hungry. Oh, yeah. And then Jack Nicholson, I imagine just said, why don't you eat the fucking boy in your mouth?

Well, then you should have eaten your breakfast. So I guess she wasn't eating breakfast that day? But like, yeah, Nicholson's right. Eating breakfast, you stupid idiot. It's good dad mode. like you're teaching this kid the ways Learn the ropes kid We do it with our dog

You put the food down in the morning If she doesn't eat there after 20 minutes You fucking take that up I'll see you at 5 o'clock lady And Basically the kids are like What's cannibalism? He goes through it

And then Sheldon's like Oh Jack And he's like It's okay He watched it on the television He's like I'm gonna fucking turn it's car He says that he knows The cannibalism from television

But this is also like Stephen King, like, apparently disliked Jack Nicholson in the role because he was too crazy before he gets the hotel. At the jump, right? It wasn't like you see a man like, you know, uh, you know, broken down by the hotel's effects. Exactly. Right. But I could see both arguments because this is like he's always been there. He's always meant to be there. Right. And that's why he's crazy from the start. That's a really good. And I would say also, if you noticed a couple of the suggests that Mr. King had. Yeah. One of which was John. void. You think you're going to get any fucking better result there? That guy was born pissed off. And then you got fucking cue the winged serpent's Michael Moriarty all right. Yeah. You know what? Michael. Michael. I like

Michael Moriarty on two things. Cue the winged serpent and law and order. You know what? Neither of them are major motion pictures. And but also when Stephen King had his way, he fucking cast Stephen Weber in the role. So you know what? Dude, you lost your ticket. We should talk about that at the end. You know what you should put in here is you should have a bunch of kids masturbating in front of a fake turtle that they knew from another dimension.

You want to change my story so much? How about someone fucking flicks a bean in front of a turtle? How about that? You think that's fucking great, you genius. An interdimensional turtle. Sorry. Your artistic vision.

Can I tell you something just because we're recording this the ass end of August it's not out yet in Chapter 2? You seen these ads for this? where they're like building up Bill Hader here as like giving the greatest performance ever captured by a motion picture camera

it's kind of weird. If you look at it though it's really tiny for a reason to fucking credit it's like at so and so. Yeah yeah. So like somebody just saw a fucking test screening tweeted that and it was like oh my God and like I have no ill will against Bill Hader Bill Hader's incredible but I love Bill Hater and you know he's probably great in the movie

but like they are that fucking quote is all over these new reads like James McAvoy's like oh man I'm pretty good in the movie too guys Bill Hader is the best fucking movie star of this generation Leslie Hader Leslie Hater elderly so you get his wife's Maggie uh what's her face she does it anymore oh was really yeah oh that's sad it is oh now I'm sad but now haters on the market but I'm not Damn it. Well, I guess I'll just go see It Too and watch the second birth of cinema happen. So we get to the hotel. We're going around a little bit.

We're introduced to what we see the gold room for the first time. And I just, you know, it's weird. And maybe it just reminds me of our disastrous show at the Los Angeles podcast festival. I love an empty hotel ballroom. Disasterous. Well, it was a great show. But I mean, come on. Don't sell tickets that way.

Yeah, don't sell tickets. it's that way. And also, like, what was really unsettling about that performance is we were doing a We Hate Movies episode in a ballroom that once hosted the Academy Awards and... At like 3 p.m. At 3 p.m. And it fucking

felt like 3 p.m. with the amount of people that came out. Yeah. But that's what I was reminded in the show. I was like, look at this grand empty ballroom. Did anyone else when we were doing that, it was a costume episode? Anyone else noticed that bear that was making eyes at everybody? I did. Oh, right. Yeah. Did anyone see the boy in my mouth?

and I will say that for the folks that were able to show up for that show it was a good time and it was a good audience we released the episode it's a funny episode but don't sell tickets anyway

the last LA Podfest and they I think that's true and they wound up they wind up the gold room this is when Ollman very specifically

is like oh you know I think Shelds we could have a real good time in this room oh right well you're gonna have to bring your own booze

because we we take, for insurance reasons, we take care, we remove it. And then, right. Yeah, we don't drink. You know what I mean? And he says we don't drink. And Shelley DeVall's like, well, I kind of like a glass of red wine

or anything like I can, dun, dun, duh. And also, what's the green situation? You know what I mean? That's a great question. You're in Colorado. You get that Rocky Mountain High. You're a writer.

She's chain smoking anyway. I'm thinking you don't get to see inside that medicine cabinet. I'm thinking pills. Oh, I see. There stinks of pills. Stinks of pills. Also getting the whole history of the hotel from this guy, which is pretty unsettling.

Like, how like construction started like 1907 and finished in 1909. Oh, by the way, yeah, it was built on an Indian burial ground. And they had to repel Indian attacks. That is the fucking craziest detail. This dude drops. Oh, my God. It's like, yes, while this place was being instructed, there was a bit of delay. What was an attack on the construction?

They were like, those, it's a haunted ground. The ground is sour. This and that. We're like, oh, we're building a hotel here, people. Hey, do you have any other tragedies or mass murders? Well, actually, Richard Speck stayed here in the late 1970s. They killed the construction workers. Well, we'll just keep building it.

Get more out here. You know what? Just bury them in the walls. Nothing wrong ever happened doing that. Just add as many ghosts as possible. It's kind of a great thing Like at the start of the tour Like they come to fetch Nicholson

And like they've eaten breakfast in the lobby And the shot is just Shelly Duval's nowhere to be found And Jack Nicholson's just sitting on this chair With like plates all over the place And like cold eggs and cups of coffee Looks like he had himself a nice little solo feast And then he goes out your my son found

The Games Room and he's already furious This kid fucking furious for this kid Just having a good time This games room by the way It looks like a VFW hall. It's like shoddy, weird. Like the whole place is immaculate, but this has got like this like weird like wood paneling.

It looks disgusting. Why does it look like Ned Flander's basement? Exactly. The rumpus room or whatever. It's got a pool table and like a, and like a dartboard. Yeah. It's like,

that's the fucking game's room. And then just like a bunch of posters of people skiing, even though they explicitly say they're not open during ski season. That's all part of the. the cover-up, that means the moon landing. Oh, fuck you, right. And this is when we meet the twins, the girls. And this is how you know.

Yeah, like you were saying, Steve, sorry, this is the first shot of the twins. Yes. They're in the games room. Which is also a weird trick of time and everything else, because they're referred to as twins. But earlier in the story, when Allman's like, yeah, great, he killed this.

Yeah, yeah, two girls with them eight and ten. So they're not fucking twins. Right, yeah. They're, you know. They just dressed the same. Yes. But this is how you know You're dealing with a supreme

Haunt An early morning haunting Signing? When they're coming out When you're still serving eggs Holy shit this place is evil Danny could have flipped out there Yes

And made sure they haven't They didn't stay I'm sure he would have gotten beaten This well Within an inch of his life Tied up in the hotel It's a high risk But you're bringing up a great point

That's something I thought about also Which is listen And when you're in these situations to preserve, you know, the relationship, the family, the friendships, whatever's going on with the people you're in the haunted house with, everybody admit to seeing what you're seeing from the jump. There's two things we need to do in these situations. One constant communication.

What have you, how was your shower? Oh, there was blood in it. Oh, weird. How is your ex? Oh, there was blood in those two. Oh, weird. Oh, you see the elevated blood all over the place. Then we're talking about it.

Now we're understanding. And the second thing is, watch a bunch of television. People don't watch enough TV in these situations. Ghosts don't bother you when you're watching TV. Exactly right. Except for the polter guys. Well, yeah. The one time.

Yeah. Well, they finally found the workaround. What we're going to do here over the five months, I said I was writing, but what am I actually going to do is I'm going to set up a bunch of cameras and make a sci-fi show about ghosts. Now, Danny, put on your camera harness, Danny. Danny, do you hear me? This is Jack. Torrance ghost hunter

You know a friend of mine is a camera operator Good dude works a lot with like Larry Fassenden And you know other like indie films and whatnot But like the constant work is when you do What he does which is work on these ghost hunter shows And he just says it's fucking ridiculous Like the hallway through But yeah like when Nicholson

Sees the lady in the top In 237 then he comes back to the hotel And she's like did you see anything? the hotel apartment or whatever and he's like, nope, clean as a whistle. The boy is a fucking liar. To be fair, this kid is talking about a boy in his mouth that goes into his tummy.

Like, please. Yeah, he's got no credibility here. He comes in and tells you you see those meatballs, those are eyeballs. You're not going to believe him. No question. Now, was there, I didn't notice it, but maybe I just didn't notice it. Is there an arcade machine? I know exactly where you're going.

Yes. Is there an arcade machine in the games room? I didn't see one. Because when Danny comes back, Jack Nichols, it's like, you get tired of bombing the universe, which is fucking great to know that that line has been around forever. Oh, yeah, dude. Yes, down to death everywhere. You've always been bombing the universe. That was like America. Stephen, you are a father now.

You get to say, the ancient saying of our people, the dads. You may say bombing the universe. And so they split up. Jack Torrance is going to look at the boiler, which actually doesn't matter in the movie in the book it does, obviously. Not a lick in this movie. We're going to introduce to Scatman Crothers,

who's awesome in this movie. He's so awesome. He's, I mean, everyone's impeccably dressed, but he is impeccably dressed. He is impeccably dressed, and he impeccably decorates his Florida the best bedroom in cinema history.

Without question. So he's Dick Halloran, right? He's the head chef of the hotel. Correct. And he's talking to them. He's like taking Shelley DeValle to the kitchen. This is where the meat is. This is where this is.

One of the details here that I thought was fucking white. So he's telling like, when they go in the walk in freezer and he's like, we got this, this and that. He says that they have a total of 300 pounds of hamburger. That's something. It's 1980, 1979. you're eating 300 pounds of hamburger is it a lot

that's just one cow right just pound up one whole cow bones head udders whatever get it in there now that might seem like a lot

in Mrs. Torrance but I assure you it's just so you can make a human out of meat that you can just wave your wand and create a golem of sorts

that is a great point we needed a golem in this we got everything else deleted scene well you know ground fucking ground Chuck. I got to re-watch

Ready Player 1 to see if there's a Gallum in there because the fucking the disrespect this movie gets in Ready Player 1 is just insane. It turns out to Castlevania and like that's not what this shit is. You know what's fucking wild though? I was looking through the credits

for this movie and there's not a lot of people in it so it doesn't take that long. So I was going through everybody. The younger lady in the tub in room 237 is credited in Ready Player 1. Oh, weird.

Well, like on IMDP, and I think it says like, you know, parentheses uncredited. And I was like, well, is it because like, it's supposed to be so much

her likeness, not so much the older lady, but I was like, but then I didn't even remember that that was, I mean, I remember the shining sequence in the ballroom

and that they're jumping on all those fucking platforms and whatever. But I didn't remember that the lady in the tub was there. Yeah, I remember there was the old,

the older woman stabbing at them, but she didn't even really look at like this older woman. And she's not naked. I'm not seeing the ladies there. Well, if you put nudity... They're not seeing the lads, the Dian lads.

Put nudity in his Spielberg movie. He turns to dust. But not only Scatman Crowe is an excellent cook, he's also a terrible telepathic because he fucking, he drops the ball immediately. It's insane this fuck up. I couldn't even believe it. What do you mean?

He's like, oh, hey, are you, like, he's talking to Shelly Deval. We've got this much meat, that much meat. I do like that he's talking to both of them at the same time. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. He's like juggling. That's pretty awesome. Yeah.

But he's, he's talking physically with his mouth to Shelley Duval and he looks at Danny and shines to him, would you like some ice cream, doc? But then he goes and he's like, uh, he says like, that'll be good with you. Won't, won't it, Doc? You like lamb, doc? And then Shelley DeVal's like, why are you calling him doc? And he's like, well, I must have heard you. call him doc at some point?

And she's like, no, I didn't. He's like, well, he just looks like a doc. How about, oh, shit, am I getting burned at the stake for being a telepathic again? I got to leave town. He's like, fucked it up. But it's also almost weird that she, even picks up on it.

But, I mean, it's a good catch by her. Well, because he does it twice, which is even worse. She's like, you just call them doc a bunch of times. And the fix for that is, oh, that's just my nickname. I just call kids that. You call him, oh, that is so funny. anyway on to ice cream but he can't even recover

this is one of my favorite exchanges here is his scatman's talking to Winifred yes he's like so your husband called you Winifred now do you go by Winnie or Freddy and she's like Wendy actually

he's like huh I mean that doesn't make any fucking sense Wendy's a whole other name Winifred is Winifred you could be called Winnie like the lady from the nice TV show but the fuck are we we're talking about here? He also has a great

detail here where they then go from the freezer to the pantry and he's reeling off all this stuff they have in the pantry including a bunch of prunes and he says that it's very important when you're up here all alone to keep regular and this lady's like cool this total stranger's talking to me about

taking his shit. That's great. That's what he has to get the snow cat for. Are you regular? Are you regular? It's a long way to sidewinder, Chris. Is anyone regular in here? Is anyone regular? Yeah, and so like basically we get the whole shining thing.

She goes away. He hasn't seen a great scene with Danny. Yeah, he, she goes with Nicholson and Olman to go do something. I think this is the boiler actually. Oh, is it okay. Yeah, I want to show you both the boiler. Do you mind watching the kids? Oh, not at all.

We're both telepathic. And he's like, what's that? Nothing. Oh, nothing. I meant we both have used telephones. I also have a boy in my mouth. Fire that man. Dad, he asked me if I wanted ice cream and then he talked about a boy in his mouth.

And, you know, this is the, he names it shining, him and his grandmother did it. And basically he tells him this kid in no uncertain terms. You could do whatever the fuck you want in this whole tale, kid, Doc, just don't go in room 237. You got no business, so stay out. stay out he's got the shining and all the telepathy and shit but like so he knows there's something supernatural in room 237 yeah but all the other shit yeah exactly you gotta just stay in your fucking caretaker apartment if that's the case but everybody else seems to be chill all the other it's like oh hey what's up skeletons how you do it's it kind of walking around the hotel maybe that's what it is because all the other ghosts are pretty okay oh how are you doing murdered belgian aristocrat although he probably doesn't get along with Grady because that guy turned out to be a big racist. Yeah.

Oh, that's true. Maybe it's the whole Grady family actually, dude, because that shit is taught. It is not natural. That shit is taught. I think I just figured out what happened is like he saw the caretaker going to go take and he's like oh shit, that guy's fucking racist. I'm not going to go save them. Like, oh, yeah.

No, I hear the twins screaming now, but no, no thanks. You called me that. So that's a nuclear situation. And also he's like, oh, did you notice that? he's writing his diary I think that there's something going on with tall tuxedo guy and bear guy

I'm keeping an eye on that I'm gonna keep my eye on that one Dear diary Halloween 1978 well tall tuxedo guy and bear guy finally hooked up I've been waiting for those two

interdimensional ghosts to get it on for a while now ever since Tuxedo guy left Jewish flapper I've been I've been waiting to see him with somebody new and I think this might be the one.

So that's basically that's, and that's this whole sequence and now we're kind of in, now we're in one month later. Yeah, a month later, which I'm, I'm treating as November 30th. So also, we've conveniently bypassed an uncomfortable Doran's

family Thanksgiving at the Overlook Oh, Jesus Christ. Do you imagine? I can't imagine it. The fucking turkey's a little underdone. Well, good thing. We got fucking seven teen turkeys in that freezer go do it again and we'll try

for November 27th you fucking slag well are you going to carve it or look at it stick it between your knees oh yeah yeah of course you made you made the box smashed potatoes that's great it's not like we have a hundred fucking thousand

potatoes here yeah I fucking heard the joke before hungry jack now go fucking cook a real potato and Danny don't get up from that kids table and stop talking about fucking Tony

every goddamn day Tony this and Tony this now I'm just picturing the massive dining room of the Overlook Hotel and they're at like

Jack and Wendy are at like a citizen cane table and then Danny's on the other side of this ballroom at a cocktail table I know we're not

going to make a little plate for Tony but we do we cut back and Nicholson's actually just waking up from like the world's it's like 11.30. 11.30. I wrote it down. I can't believe. Sleep until 11.30. Remember we could do that?

Man, it feels like forever ago. Because it was. How is he doing that? He's like, he's got to be what? His fucking 40s in this movie? This guy. And he's stone sober too, apparently. What is he sleeping off? I don't know. Maybe she says, she's like, oh, you know, oh, here's your breakfast and bed is ready. He's like, what time is it? Oh, 11.30. He's like, oh, 11.30. And she goes, yeah, well, you must have been staying up late, hon. I'm like, what? Staying up late.

And then she's like, you want to take a walk after you finish your breakfast? Well, maybe I should do some fucking writing first. Yeah. You know what? First of all, you got five fucking months in this place. Totally. And he says to Hallor, or not Halloran, uh, Ollman, he's like, I'm outlining a new writing project.

Yes. But like, then he's like click, clacking through the rest of the movie. If you're just making an outline, an outline in five months. He also says he's like, I got. ideas, none of them good. So it's like, but you never really know what the fuck he's writing. No, what format or whatever. What's, yeah, what genre, yeah.

That's, I smell manifesto. Oh, shit. I'm writing so fast. I'm Ruby Rich. I'm writing slash fiction of Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock. They get marooned and start fucking, but I don't know why they start fucking. so don't bother me when I'm working well hon maybe they're both bored

yeah of course they're always fucking bored you ever read these zines I need something good so why don't you do me a favor and get the fuck out of here man I mean he's a terrible husband but some of these deliveries are fucking chefkiss dot give he's reminded me because I rewatched today

a relic from the old internet which still holds up to this day is the recut Shining trailer? It's incredible. It's just the best. I meant to re-watch it. You were used to download that and email it to people and you download it? I think we're talking

like circa 2006. Yeah, these e-bombs world are bust. So was this? No, you re-watched it, right? Yes. Does it have the Peter Gabriel song? Yes, it does. Oh, yeah. Shiny. And this one predates the doubtfire horror movie. Yeah, I think this was the first one. This kicked off the

crazy. Yeah, yeah. Just watch, type in funny shining trailer on YouTube. Yeah, if you haven't, it's great. And including one of the, there's a part from this scene that we're talking about where he's dipping the bacon with the egg yolk and he goes, I love it. Oh, man. And just that is the magic of editing and music use in film. Like, just the way they change that is fucking brilliant. Yeah, and he's just like, and he starts even kind of letting Wendy know.

He's like, you know, it's weird. I love it here, you know. I feel like I've always been here. And then he goes, ooh, who, who, who, and it's like, Jack Nicholson anyway. That's the only time he's remotely kind to her in this entire movie. Kind of, yeah. Yes. It's like, we're a couple having a little bit of a joke here.

But he's still being a sarcastic shit. Like, when he gives it, like, never been better. That is a sort of, like, never been better. Yeah. Like, he's really doing the eye kind of roll thing. But it's crazy, though, because this was the first time, again, I've seen movie a bunch of times that I realized like what he's speaking about leads

to what the, like I don't know, I mean, sometimes I just miss shit, you guys, you know what happens. Well, you put on a movie, you have a drink or jazz cigarette. Yeah. Or like it's just on the background. You know, shining's on. You go, take a shit. But it's crazy like the...

Hey, Eric, I'm trying to act in here. You're shitting. They, you know... My grandmother and me used to shit for a house. She called it. shitting. We could have a conversation without moving our mouths. Or our assholes or something.

We could talk from toilets. Whenever I was on a toilet, she was on a toilet. No matter where we were. You put your ear to it like an old can. Hey, Dick, I'm shitting right now. Morse flush, dude. Hey, Dick, you shit, darling. You know a grandma.

No, I just think it's the first time I've noticed watching this movie that, like, how Shelley Duval mentions when they tour the hedge maze, like, oh, I have to leave some breadcrumbs to find my way around or whatever. Or she mentions that about the hotel, rather. Oh, this is so big, I feel like I should leave breadcrumbs. The movie leaves breadcrumbs of him having always been. Oh, totally. I mean, as you might have noticed, Stanley Kubrick movies are dense texts.

So there's a lot of stuff. I mean, really it is one of those movies where every time I go back, there is like so much new stuff to find. I might watch it again tonight after you guys leave. I get your input on stuff and then go watch it again. It's one of those things. We're not talking about it, but this movie is,

and I mean, like, it's less scary the more you watch it. But when you're first to see this movie, it's fucking terrified. It's just, I mean, like, it's like atmospheric really is how it's terrifying. The blood elevators, I would say top 10 most iconic shots ever.

But what's nuts is everything has to work in kind to make it work for lack of a better word. But like the blood elevator the first time you see it works I think a lot because the sound design

in that moment this fucking like drone score all those sounds that you hear like like and it's all been building to that. And then you got the fucking the little girls you're like oh God

I just get out of the fucking games room kid just get out of there. Totally like it's so much and that's what's weird was Stephen King another quote supposedly again IMDB Tribune

who knows. He was quoted as saying, I don't know how anybody finds this scary. I'm like, well, it's pretty obvious. But it's, again, it's atmospheric horror. It's not a lot of jump scares. No, but almost one kill in the entire film.

Yeah. King said that? Yeah. King said that. King said he couldn't understand. And now what's really scary is, again, children masturbating in front of each other in front of an interdimensional turtle.

Is it just masturbation in it? Oh, no, they're fucking each other. I thought it was a master base. No, they all, they all fuck red. Okay. Oh, talk about a boy in the mouth. Anyway, they, so like, you know, now he's now, she goes off for a walk. We see the hedge maze of great shots of the hedge maze and her. And it just, honestly, we're recording this in August and I'm like, I just want to go through.

I want to fucking put on a heavy jacket on a cold day and go on a walk. I know. And what sucks was here in New York the past few days, it's been. been like kind of chilly in the morning. And I was super stoked. I was like getting out. I'm like, cool. Gonna watch the shining in a little bit.

It's going to be brisk outside. When I go take the dog for the walk, it's going to be awesome. Today was like humid again. Walked outside like, son of a bitch bastard. God damn it. And this is when he's throwing the ball around, which is a great like sound design situation. I just picture like Olman coming back in on May 1st being like, who the fuck fucked up that wall?

What the fuck? He's a terrible caretaker. Let's be completely honest here. Madness be damned. He is not heating those rooms. He is not doing any repairs. Shelly Deval's doing all the goddamn work. Did you see you're looking at a chart at one point?

Like in the boiler room, I'm like, you're not the caretaker. You shouldn't have to look at a chart. Did anybody see a single tub of spackle? No, I didn't. And then you know that shit's going everywhere. Well, even Allman is like, you know, it's kind of a bullshit job. He's like, all you got to do. is sort of just flush that boiler once a day.

Heat some parts. Don't worry about dusting. You know, we get people in right before we open up. You just got to make sure, more or less, the boiler doesn't explode. And I must say this, many times. No party. Bo-do-no-bo-boun-boun-bou-bown.

Smithers, we come back and they're all dead. I owe you a code. Yeah, so, like, this is what he's about to the ball. and then like she kind of comes in with like lunch at some point this is when he's like he starts losing it about writing rules about like when I'm in here

I'm working. Oh, because he is clickety clacking at one point. Oh, right. And it's just, it's so difficult because yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. He's being a fucking douchebag.

Don't talk to anybody like this. Especially your partner, your spouse. Don't do that. At the same time, Shelley Duvall, don't come in and be like, so how's it going?

don't request a status update if you're not that person's boss Wow really okay You're bothering someone Just say great and go away I mean she should There's a hint I mean it's Jack Nicholson I wouldn't talk to him

If I had a gun to my head I'm too scared anyway That's true But like I would I would just probably Leave the plate and go Just because I'm afraid of my husband I just the whole like How's it going? I don't just like

wait till the update at dinner. I don't know. You know, honey, could you just never talk to me ever again? Ask me permission to be talked to, okay? If you hear me typing or you hear me not typing, whenever I'm in here, I'm working. If I'm living, don't talk to me. How about that one?

If I'm bouncing a ball, if I'm talking to a tuxedo ghost, I am working in here. I'm interviewing the ghost, sweetheart. Well, because one of the things she says, though, is weather forecast says it's going to snow tonight. And he correctly says, what do you want me to do about it? No, that's not the correct. It's not at all.

You just say, cool, okay. No, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. But my question is, why could that not wait until he stops for a break? There are hundreds of miles from anyone. She's got this kid talking about Tony. This lady needs an outlet. No, you know what? You got two people right there.

You got Danny, got Tony. Go fucking tell them it's going to snow. They're also in this room. Oh, my God. That sounds pretty bad, Mrs. Torrance. Close the windows. Can you refill my glass of wine, please? Oh, yeah.

Danny's a little boy, but Tony, he's a 40-year-old alcoholic. Why no lush? But there are like these fireplaces, especially in this room that it's like as big as a house. Yeah. It's like when Owen Wilson got decapitated in the haunting. So he could have been like, oh. That sounds great. We could cozy up with the fire.

Yeah, put on a record, maybe. But where does it end? Fucking. Maybe ideally, it ends with them ever fucking fucking fucking. And also she's taking fun of fucking Danny and Tony every fucking day. You think Jack Torrance is helping her out with that fucking parenting? No, that's true. He's definitely not.

And one thing I noticed on this viewing is, you know, he watches me, blah, blah, blah. Right. Is nobody wants to talk to this woman. She calls the fucking. The shit. of station and this guy's like, U.S. Forest Service. He's like, yeah, she's like, oh, I think our phone lines are down. Is everything okay?

And he's like, Jesus fucking Christ, lady, listen, the phone lines are down all over the place. When I'm in the Forest Service, I'm working. Like, everyone's doing it to her. When I'm sucking this guy's dick and I'm a bear, I'm working. But, yeah, the Forest Service guy says like, oh, yeah, the lot of the lines are down and they usually don't get repaired this spring, which is pretty crazy. But it makes sense. Yeah, sure.

I guess because they're so remote. Yeah. They are so remote. Again, though, this guy at the forest station gives pretty much another, what do you want me to do about it? Because she's just, he's just like, well, uh, anything else I could do for you, Mrs. Torrance? And she's like, well, no, I guess I'll just go back talking to Tony, I guess.

Oh, God, that guy's racist. Honestly, the things he says. The forest service, like, towards the end. of the winter. All right, put on your gloves. There's a, there's at least two corpses up on this mound. I was really rude to that woman when she called.

I guarantee you, at least two of them are dead. But she does get to sit over and out which is something I've always wanted to say. Absolutely. Absolutely. Anyway, what did you think about the new Joan Collins? My book club with Tony. Well, I didn't read the book. Shut up, Danny. This club isn't for you. It's me and Tony.

book club. Denny's actually pretty good. What's that? I was sorry, I cut you off. Oh, no, I was just going to say it's kind of great because the sequence ends with why don't you start right now and get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Again, I mean, this is a, that is a new, could you imagine any universe where you say that

to your wife and you're not divorced in 31 minutes? No. No, no, no, no. Never. No. And also, I'd never say that. Well, no, of course. But I'm just saying even if I ever did.

In this universe. Yeah, just get the fuck out of here. also I'll see you at dinner. Yeah, no, I can't even imagine. I mean, thank God for Patreon. I'd be out of my ass. So, but yeah. Oh, wait, sorry, one thing.

Again, because it's just, it's a fucking, I don't know what she was thinking. Shelly Duvall, the start of the Tuesday sequence, which we're finishing up right now. It starts with her, Wendy, opening a massive, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a paint can size of fruit cocktail. pouring it into a bowl, where does that go?

It's 1980 and food was terrible. That's why we smoked so many cigarettes because we couldn't bear it to eat. Also, everything in there is like that Costco gigantic size. So you're just going to have to put some of that in the fridge. Yeah, I guess you've got to put some saran wrap over it. I'm thinking a jello mold is being made. Oh, I think you're right. It's just a big bowl. This is like

a stirring bowl. But then the sad sad part of all of that was I'm watching this movie and I was like, I could house that. Oh, man. There was few, fewer greater joys in my childhood than when you got to the end of the fruit cocktail and it was just the syrup juice. Oh, no. I can't handle it. I hate that's Tony's favorite part too.

I remember liking it as a child. Have you ever gone back? No. And you can't go back because it's just too sugary, too syrupy. Get away from there. well isn't it like fruit like product at this point well yeah those the cherries and the peaches in quotation corn syrup yeah so uh danny this is one of the many and it's such an amazing feat of sound design and a dolly work and all sorts of shit as him just riding on that fucking tricycle the kid actor is actually really good i think because usually with kid actors you get like an over-enunciated kind of Broadway style this kid is like very clearly afraid and on comfortable the whole time. But what's crazy, though,

is they didn't tell him it was a horror movie. They told him he was making a drama and he didn't know what the movie was about. And apparently he didn't see the actual full cut of the film until like over a decade after he shot it. Did they show them the trailer with the movie?

It's the movie you made. Wow, Peter Gabriel's song's really good. I just always think though, because you hear about that with a lot of kid actors, right? And it's like, it's got to be so fucking bizarre to film a movie when you're a kid. And if it's not a specifically like kid-friendly film and they have to keep elements from you

you know you know that's gotta be so weird when you finally watch it and you're like oh that was what this movie was about conversely you have some fucking poor kid like Corey Feldman being in Friday the 13th the final chapter

and there's no way to fix that you can't dodge that you fucking put a machete in that monster's head little kid we should try that with like podcasting like one of us doesn't know what we're even doing oh wait we might already be do that for nine years. Oh, no, wait a second, though.

Maybe the move is, right? Like, we do an episode where three of us know what the film is. Oh, that's a good idea. And then we don't say what the title is. We just start talking about the movie. And the fourth person has to figure it out. I like it. That's a fun game.

Try it out what I'm doing this forever. Mix it up. So he's riding on the big wheel and, you know, you get the cool, like, when it sounds one way on the fucking, on the, on the wood. It's another way on the fucking carpet. The fucking sound design here. Yeah. It's so cool.

And, you know, he sees the two girls at the end of the hallway. Come play with us. And he's like, well, I don't know, Tony. They're pretty cute. What do you think? I don't know, man. Well, it's kind of like, he's like, I don't know. They're kind of cute.

And then it's like flash. Oh, X murder. Nack them. Tell them they look like the ugly is dead. I like you, but Tony thinks you're ugly. Who's Tony? Little boy lives in my mouth. That's what is that something to start doing, man?

That's how you break out. We're going back to hell. Sorry, bye. That's how you break up a two-set. Yeah. I get the bigger one. But this is Tony. Yeah.

Because so he sees the two girls dead. Yeah. I guess Grady just left that axe on the fucking floor. And there's that turned over chair. I know what that struggle was. It's very uncomfortable. He's going to fucking make out with a shotgun. Apparently fucking late.

So I guess that means that he took care of the wife first then. That would I would think. Okay. Well, corrected her too. Oh, that's such a good one. Oh, that is, yeah. That dude is good. This guy who probably was in nothing else.

Yeah. I just realized for Tony, these twin girls would be, oh, my God, it's a giant woman. I'm a little porous in your mouth. Oh, my God, they're Amazon. Oh, look how big those dead girls are. did your dad if you any stilettos

step on my mouth Tony is who reminds Danny that this isn't real yes it's just a picture in a book can hurt you

you know very important again Tony is looking out so he's doing it's doing bam Monday they're watching a fucking movie on television that they should not be watching with Danny

I looked this up It's a movie called Summer 42 It's one of Kubrick's favorite movies It is a movie About a teenage boy Who wants to fuck this older woman But the beef is And here's the problem

This woman Nazis? No, well, kind of Nazis The problem is This woman is unsure Whether or not Her husband was killed In World War II

So the whole movie is her being like Oh boy I hope my husband wasn't murdered In World War II And then this teenage boy being like, well, if he was. And this is the movie that Danny Torrance is watching on television. Summer 42.

Got to learn sometime. I guess that's true. She's watching it with Tony. Like, Tony, isn't this a rich subtext? Yes, it is, Mrs. Torrance. You know, Tony, sometimes I think about my life and where I ended up, you know. You should go back to art school.

Your paintings were really good. Thank you, Tony. You know, I did have to drop out of Sarah Lawrence you know, back when Jack knocked me up. And I've always thought about going back, but Jack says I couldn't do it. The world is changing. There's a lot of single mothers out there.

I'm just saying. Well, you know, it's just part of me knows that that's true, Tony. But the other part of me is just a little bit scared. It's almost as if I could have, if I had someone else on the other side of all of this waiting for me. If I knew that that person would be there,

maybe I would pull the plug with Jack. Going up on Salisbury Hill. Da, da, da, da, da. It's a romance between her and Tony. Oh, you don't think I know you're having an emotional affair with Tony. Shelly Duvall is just making it with Danny. So she could get Tony in the mouth. You know, Tony's in his mouth.

Maybe her tongue's going to town on Tony, but it just happens to take place within the space of her fucking young son. You've made the shining more disturbing. I don't know how you did it. You guys started with this. Two words. Incest jokes. Oh.

They always work. So they are, they're watching this movie. By the way, this is another, this is a sweater I would wear to a concert in Brooklyn. Oh, yeah. Danny's wearing this sweater. It's Mickey Mouse kicking a football. It's a dope.

And it's like white against like light blue knitting of the, the Mickey image, not too shab. There was also, earlier in the film at their apartment, there was a goofy doll. So I'm just, it's amazing that Dude, Stanley Kubrick is admitting to murdering Walt Disney That's what it's about But it's just amazing that you have all these Disney products in this movie

Which would never be approved today. There's a lot of references to cartoons in general Like not only the doc thing, but they're watching Is there, was there like a Roadrunner solo? Cartoon, yeah, all by itself. Well, it's a weird like, it was very clearly like There's a theme song, it's like, watch out, Roadrunner, here it comes. And it reminded me, it took me way back,

to like, uh, when we were all old people in this room, but like, when we were kids, you know, they would just repackage Looney Tunes as certain. It was like, it was like the Sylvester and Tweedy show or the Bugs and Daffy show and like just whatever it was. And all you're doing is just showing the shorts that those characters appeared. And then you'd also show other shorts also because who cares? You know what I mean? Nobody was keeping track of anything. And like the Warner brothers things are fine because this movie was Warner Brothers. The Disney shit is weird though. Yeah. It's Like fucking Roger Rabbit, man. Who was paying for what?

This is like the only scene. He goes up to get a toy. This is the only scene where Nicholson's actually affectionate with daddy, but he's also incredibly creepy. Yes. This is the, he's going to go get a fire truck. Yes. Well, for like 10 minutes,

Mrs. Torrance is trying to like, don't bother your son. I really, Tony needs the fire engine. Tony needs, don't bother your father. He just yelled at me for interrupting his typing. Exactly. Hey, do you know we're living on top of a fucking bomb right now? Like, you know what? Well, she also says he's taking a nap, though. Yeah.

Yeah. Trapes around the apartment. But this guy, yes, exactly. Also, though, if that's the case, if this little turd really needs this fire truck or if Tony needs it or whatever. You are way too on Nicholson's side, FYI. No, I'm just saying, Shelley Duvall, you can sneak into the apartment. You're an adult. You know how to sneak in better than a dumb kid. I don't know.

I'm not going to that fucking room. away he's not asleep he's awake and he's like hauntingly disheveled yes definitely it's fucking amazing he's in this ratty old robe no come here for a minute yeah oh boy yeah i don't like the side of that i wish we could be here forever and ever i love it here and it's crazy though because that's it's echoing what the twins have just recently said come play with us danny forever and ever and ever so then nicholson says that followed with the you know i would never hurt you yeah and he's like hugging him and whatnot. Listen, Danny, you got Tony.

What are you complaining about? I got Tony here. You got the twins. There's plenty of goddamn kids walking around this fucking go play with all the little baby skeletons out in the dining room. Look, Danny. It's a fucking stuffed animal. He gave a guy blowjob earlier.

But he's not doing it now. And he's actually a pretty nice guy once you get to know. He's saying all this nice stuff to like all this quote unquote like loving stuff. He might as well be cleaning and loading a gun while it's right on the edge. This is, I think, the two room 37. Yeah, we hit Wednesday, but this is, it's a tease though. Oh, right. And this is,

we get more of the awesome, you know, he's on his tricycle and whatnot. This is where he's wearing the Apollo 11 sweater. Look out below. Or no, he actually, no, I'm sorry. He does, he does come in right here. Yeah. He enters 237. Because there's a ball that kind of like, Earlier on, he's like tempted by 23.

He does go. Yes, that's right. And he tries, tries the door and it's locked. And like Dick Halloran's like fucking in Florida. Like, what did I tell you, dude? Yeah. What I tell? But then you're fucking up.

Me watching my dirty movies. Got to look out for you. I've got to go recruit mutants with Charles Xavier. We're the future Scatchman. Not them. Sketchman. What a great thing if Ian McKellen ever said Scatman. That'd be pretty cool.

Be bu-but-a-bo, Charles. I'm the scat-man now. I'm real busy, Danny. I'm being recruited by both the X-Men and the Brotherhood of Mutants. It's a real tough... I get to touch and go. I don't know which way I want to go here.

This is also when Shelley Duval is down with that chart in the boiler room. She hears Jack Nicholson screaming. Doing everything yourself, yes. All right. And you just hear this like, oh, oh. And man, let me tell you, if I was in the basement of an empty-ass haunted hotel

and I just hear screams, whether or not I can tell that it's from a person that I know or not, I'm shitting my pants. Oh, yeah. You're filling all those pants up. Just these screams from afar. I would go find other pants to shit in

after I was done shitting in my own pants. And this is so much shitting. This is one of the two instances where, like in this part of the way, like we're crazy stuff has done happening already. There's two things that I noted where Nicholson,

the character, Jackthorns, actually like exudes care or concern because he's freaking, he's screaming and he's having a dream and Wendy comes and wakes him up

and whatever and he's like, I had a dream that I killed you and Danny and chopped you up. And he's like actually disturbed about it. Yeah.

And it's like this weird thing where you do see the character. go back and forth between like really fucked up and influenced by everything that's going on, the powers of this hotel and like the guy who once was. And this is one of those brief

blanking you missing. Another one is like when he gets hit by the baseball bat and he's like coming back to consciousness. And he's like what are you doing? Like he's no idea what happened. And there's there is a thing when it's when he's chasing Danny, I'll just say now when he's chasing Danny into the hedge maze.

The way that he's yelling and what he's saying, he's like, Danny, I'm coming. Danny. He's The tone and, like, the words that he's using, it sounds like a concerned father who thinks that his kid is in danger. Yeah. You know, but he doesn't understand that he's also the danger. Yeah, that's kind of cool. It's kind of interesting.

Yeah, but so he's screaming right here. He's like, I dreamt that I chopped you up into the little pieces, which if, man, if my wife was having a nightmare and she was like, I dreamt, I cut you up into the little pieces. Well, does the thing if you have that. Keep it under your hat. Exactly. Just tell me you out of bed.

I had a nightmare. Oh, Dracula was chasing me. Or just a scary stuff. You know what? the tried and true, I don't remember. Oh, it's so weird, I don't remember. Then, like, I don't know. I got to talk to Tony about this now.

Tony, do I tell her about the dream or not? Go ahead and do it. You know, I'm not your fucking therapist. I'm going to have to start charging you. Let's pick up next week. We're about out of time. And that's your hour. at this time Danny goes in the room

you don't actually see what happens in room 237 right he comes down he's all mauled he's mauled he's mauled he's got his neck's all bruised his shirt's torn regressed and this is when like shelly it's a great again more it's a whole run derby with shelley deval but she's looking at the kid

she's just like trying to keep him away because like Torrance is talking about fucking killing everybody but also she's concerned for her husband right the kid comes in she's like she's looking at him she's trying to She's trying to get the kid away, but she's also like, realizes what's going on. Then she realizes, obviously this fucking abusive fuck did it. Right.

What happened to your neck? You did this to him, you know. And what's awesome, another detail right here is this was another thing where Kubrick was precious of the fact that this was this kid's like first acting thing. He was a little kid or whatever. When Shelley Duvall runs over and picks him up and then is screaming back at Jack Nicholson, she's holding a dummy. Oh, right.

Oh, yeah. She's just holding like a life-sized Chuckie doll. basically. So the kid wouldn't be, you know, exposed to the screaming and whatever. This is when Jack Nicholson gets into the gold room. He's like, well, fuck, man. This is it, dude.

Can't win, can't lose. And this is when Lloyd shows up. Oh, I trade my goddamn soul for a glass of beer. Yeah, me too, dude. You know what? Almost every time. And yeah, I probably already did. The devil's like, you know what?

There's only so many hash marks I can make on your account. Lloyd's like, you know, so we can get you a whole bottle. A glass of beer. Just a glass. And that's an interesting, that's an old timey thing due to glass of beer. A glass of beer, which he then does not even order. No, yeah. That's right.

Well, then he sees the good stuff. He's like, oh, shit, I didn't even realize. No, the good stuff. The Jack Daniels. And then he's a great line. I got two 20s and two tens in my wallet that I'm going to have until May. And then he realized he doesn't have him. He's like, I'm a little short today.

Right, right. Yeah. But it's kind of great because Lloyd, the bartender even finds Jack Torren's annoying. Yeah. Because like all these jokes or whatever that he's throwing out, you know, he's like, hmm, yes, that's very good, sir. Oh, when do we get to the mood of your family part? Oh, God. This is another instance, though, where there's more of these breadcrumbs about him always being here. Yeah. Because he's like, uh, you know, Jack says how he's always liked

Lloyd, you know, and everything he says about Lloyd is past tense and hints to a history. which is, again, it's fascinating. Yeah, he was, I forget the line. It was like the best bartender from Portland, Maine to Timbuktu or some shit. Yeah, he says from Portland, Maine to Timbuktu, or Portland, Oregon, for that matter, is what he throws out. Thank you, sir. Question. So did Lloyd die as a bartender in the hotel?

Was there a scuffle possibly? Or was this guy, maybe he died as an architect. He's like, well, I guess they need a bartender. I'll go down there and just, well, yeah. yes, I guess the ghost community doesn't really need an architect. I was always good at pouring a stiff drink. Well, I'll be honest with you,

Lloyd, what we're looking for is somebody who can get people ghost drunk so that they kill their family. It's a ghost sitting at Olman's desk doing the interview. Yeah, well, I mean, I did that a little bit in college. That was now 60 years ago.

But yeah, I could be a ghost bartender, sure. This is where Jack Nichols and says, here's to five miserable months on the wagon. By the way, original casting for Lloyd, but he was busy with alien, Harry Dean Stanton. Oh, wow. I mean, this guy is incredible. I mean, I really love this guy.

He's in Blade Runner. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the guy who created him all, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This dude's fine, but this motherfucker ain't no Harry Dean. No, RIP. And this is when Wendy comes in. Just a little problem with the,

old sperm bank of Lord Almighty with that line. Yeah, do. And, like, Lloyd is like, oh God, kill your family.

Maybe you, maybe you should get, maybe has you working on Wendy. Hey, Wendy, why don't you get a drink? Like, kill this guy. It would have been

much less effort on the part of all these ghosts. Yeah, boss, I know I'm supposed to begin this guy to kill his family. He started mouthing off about white man's burden. I don't know what the fuck to do.

You want to be with this dude in eternity? I don't. Lloyd's like, let me check it up the chain of command. Oh, fuck, Grady. Yeah, no, it's fine. Well, Grady signed off on it, I guess. But you're totally right, though, like, the ghosts should be doing everything they can

to get this dude out alive. You want to kill that kid? Fine. You want to kill that lady? That's okay. That dude's got to make it out. As it stands, at the end of this movie, he's just fucking haunting the goddamn edge maze. He, uh, well, they did have an opening. he's drinking all this liquor Wendy comes in my question is and he acts kind of drunk here

because it's a great delivery she's like Jack there's somebody in the hotel somebody hurt Danny goes are you out of your fucking mind also did you notice it's great when Shelley Duvall comes up behind and puts her hand on his shoulder the way Nicholson reacts

as if he's like coming out of a trance like he throws his head up like what where am I kind of a thing which is kind of great but you're right and like Jack how are you you drinking right now. What? What? Smell like ghost

booze. So this is what he goes up to room 237, the iconic situation here. And we start cross-cutting with also the greatest Dick Halloran watching television. Oh, Jesus. Oh, with his erotic paintings. Oh, God. So great. It's fucking awesome.

By the way, the carpet in room 237 is fantastic. Way better than the hallway carpet. I saw you both say this. I'm with you to an extent, but I do love that hallway carpet. It's all over exposed. I do agree that the very like the sea themed

whatever carpet. Just like the purple and the green works for me way more than the fucking red and burnt Auburn. I was staring at the pattern in room 237 and it does kind of look like a dick so there's that. There's like a little purple knob in there. But I get

yeah, that's fine. Yeah, totally. Some dick carpet. Some good like reading room carpet. Yeah, the main area can be the other stuff. So as Nicholson is entering 237, Danny is sending, this is why we see Scatman

because he's sending him some messages like, hey man, now my dad's going into this room and shit's getting fucked up. Dick Hallor, it's like, fuck, I got, I don't know, man. I got a movie tomorrow. All right. He should have just stayed home. Yeah, man. You should have done it. Or, you know what, dude? Bring a gun.

That's all I'm saying. You know what, Halloran? Yeah, you got to do something. Because he knows. Yes. He knows that shit hit the fan. Bring something. A golf club, anything. Also, Eric, I know you're a connoisseur. You can you check out these pajamas. Oh, they're nice. They're fucking fantastic. I love a full-body pajama. Dude, just sitting in your bed alone, watching the local news from Miami, which my wife when the, so Chelsea gives me a horror movie every year around Halloween time. She'll watch one horror movie. One year we did this. And she, she grew up in Miami. She fucking recognized.

the dude. Oh, weird. He was a real newscast. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now he's like, I want a ghost bartender. He definitely is, dude. He fucking died in 1993. He got a job as a ghost bartender.

Him in Versace or some ballroom in Miami. He's slinging haunted booze. That's what you do, man. You get a new ghost career because it's ghost capitalism, man. You got to work at something. So this is, you know,

probably one of the most famous scenes in the move. And it is pretty horrifying. So he's going in very slowly. It turns into National Lampoon's vacation for a second because he's like looking at this sexy lady. Like, ooh, speaking of no one's looking. Holiday Roe. And he's walking towards her. She gets out of the tub. She's naked. They start making out. Then they hit the Wally World. John Candy tells him his clothes for business. Then she turns into the old grandmother. They strapped to the hood. But then, like, he's shocked to

see this, to shock to shock to see this, this, like, rotting old woman and realize that he's been a granny shagger. Yeah, dude. When you accidentally find out that you're a granny shagger, that's a problem. And also, this ghost lady's just laughing at him. That's kind of

the best part. Yes. Lapping grandma. That's fucking awesome. And she's, also, you know, points for full, frontal granny nudity. Don't see that very often. think those granny boobs are a suit. You think so? I think it's a suit. I think it's a phony

like Ted Levine's in there? Yeah, I think it's just Oh, it's just Aunt Jones. The pale man. Yeah, I mean, it just looks a little fake. I don't know. I always, I mean, there's stuff on the back that's obviously like, you know, I didn't see no nipples on those ariolas, dude.

That's all I'm saying. The tub, you see some nipples, for sure. The old lady? Because it reminds me of our good friend, not good friend, but somebody that clearly saw this movie a lot. Oster. He loves old lady nudity. Yes, he does. And that's kind of a theme there. Maybe he's a granny shagger. Who knows? We never finish watching that show. Maybe he pops up on an episode. So, yeah, so she, you know, she's just laughing at him and he's like, oh, man. He, I mean, he gets freaked out. He's holding back vomit. He runs out of the room. And this is, again,

breaking what the We Hate Movies rule of a ghost house is you got to tell everybody. I saw an old Yes. Maybe leave out the making out part. Maybe. Right. But it was an old lady. He plays it that he didn't see anything. Yeah. He's like, oh, the kid's crazy, man. And she's just leaving the hotel. And he's like, are you fucking crazy? I signed a contract. Yeah. You mean just leave the hotel. That's so fucking typical of you.

And he's like losing it. And I'm like, just tell her you kissed a ghost. I mean, come on. Listen, ladies. I kissed a ghost okay I've got an out we've got an out of an out of existence rule between us I can fuck ghosts ghosty shagger

I can fuck things if they're on a different plane but she's it's a terrifying thought though because she's like hey Jack man you know Danny said there's a lady hiding out

in one of these rooms and at this point like you've been there for months and all of a sudden you find out you got a fucking hideer in the hotel yeah that's terrifying totally and that's why he runs up there but again like yeah he's like he's crooked but like if he starts being like i signed a contract to take care of this hotel i'd be like yo dude i'm fucking doing it first and foremost see this goddamn overalls because i fixed i fucking fix the sink today there was a leak in the bath clipboard i'm holding god damn it there's charts on this

you're busy not writing Look you ball and chain I'm writing the next great American whatever And then this is where I'm not gonna let you fuck this up It's just so like it's all like so lived in The whole conversations they have

It's nuts and then so this is that I looked at the display when it hit this point Because once he goes into that room There's like an hour You're at like an hour Sure you've got like 70-ish some odd minutes left of the movie

it's just everything gets crazier for more than half of this film which is crazy I mean so this he starts I'm not gonna let you fuck this up he fucking goes back to the ballroom this is where he's seeing like

balloons all over the place oh shit Lloyd is it one of those great Gatsby parties I'll see you tomorrow this is where he does the no it's 80s night sir Oh, it's awesome 80s night. You're just so bright.

Got to wear the shades, sir. This is he goes, yeah, he goes back to the ballroom and the hair of the dog that bit me, Lloyd. This is where that line comes in. And this is where he meets Mr. Grady. He spills Advocat on him. Did anyone else look up? I looked it up. You better believe, after I looked up what it was, I tried to find places in Manhattan.

That's so. Are you kidding me? I almost threw up in my mouth. Tell me what it is. No, wait a second. No, what are you talking about? Yeah. It's basically just boozy eggnog liqueur.

It looks like bottled baby vomit. I'll be honest with... He's in the ballroom. He gets the drinks spilled on him. It is eggs, sugar, and brandy eggs. It's like a Scandinavian... It's like a Scandinavian, you know, a pair of teeth. I could see it around New Year's at Christmas.

Yeah, no, no, no. That's a cocktail for Granny Shaggers. It looks like we're going kissing ghosts. Ghost kisser. Hey, Grady, here's 20 bucks. Bring three of these up to room two, three seven. I got some unfinished business. I got a chick up there. Ass cheeks are falling off her body. Why don't you also bring up a fucking rubber? I don't want no slimer baby. You got any ghost condoms, Grady? The ghost-skinned condoms man. But he knocks the stuff all over a bit. It's like, We're in this fucking demented fantasy world.

I think this is a total... You're watching like a con man right here because this Mr. Grady, you see this motherfucker coming a mile away. He's like, oh, ready to spill the Scandinavian liqueur on you, sir. And actually, this actually fits my theory of this whole episode because Grady, as we know, was the caretaker. Blah, blah, blah.

He becomes a ghost and now he's a waiter. People, these ghosts are changing... are just chair there are positions to be filled by these totally hard to understand like is this movie like presupposing like reincarnation and that dude

was a waiter was born again oh interesting drawn back to the hotel and then once dies goes back to that first form that's the thing is the you've always been here thing it doesn't actually it's never explained it which is good I don't want it to me but it is good

but to your question is like yeah is it reincarnation is it some weird I don't know is it a dream state or are the pictures just kind of sucking you into the past kind of a weird way right as far as the Grady though saying that he was never the caretaker again this I think could just be a thing of almond yeah just getting his fucking facts mixed up and like you have like decades of history with this hotel like it opened in 1909 now we're at 1980 when the movie takes place anyway or when it came out you know so like you've all these decades of like you could be like telephone gaming misremembering the urban legends of the hotel I was just thinking if the Charles Grady thing is right, then maybe it's like his son was the caretaker that got killed. That's possible. Oh, and then the other one's the other one, yeah. Oh, but he does say, like, you know, he brings him into the bathroom and he's like, oh, there's much going on. You've got quite a willful wife.

And he's like, yeah, he's like, my wife is realful. But I corrected her. It's so good. It's kind of funny because Jack Nicholson's trying to like peel, you know, or pull this information out of this ghost while this dude's like rubbing liqueur. off of his suit, you know? And he's like, so you a family man, Mr. Grady? He's like, yeah, yeah, I have a

wife and two daughters. Listen, I'm not like that tall motherfucker, that bear dude. I ain't getting in any of the weird shit in the bathroom, Grady. He's like, yeah, what he says he has a family, he's like, and, uh, where are they now? Like trying to get this ghost

to be telling him where other ghosts are. He mentions that the... Oh, yeah, he's like, oh, about somewhere. I don't really know right now. But he mentions that, like, the daughters tried to burn down the hotel. Oh, right. The fox of matches.

But then he corrected them too. Yeah. That's good. What's your favorite Jonathan Franz and novel, Grady? The corrections. Ghosts can see through time. Oh, yeah. Oh, the corrections has always been here.

Oh, it's a flat circle this time. But, yeah, this is what... He got an axe and he's like, he kind of tells him, he's like, you should do, yo, dude, you should do that. Yeah, it's kind of like just a bad dude's night out. It's like, yeah, man, I killed my old lady. It's like, yeah, dude, you should kill your old lady, bro. Yeah.

By the way, this is also the scene where Grady starts dropping the end word of bun. There's only, there's three in 25 seconds. It's crazy because he says, he's like, there's someone, your son is a willful boy. and he's bringing someone to interfere. And outside party. And outside party. And he says a blank. And then Jack Nicholson's like a blank.

And he goes, a blank. It's like, it's too much. If anyone's not following along, we're talking about the end word. Yes, yeah, is the situation. And yes, it's like, it's like watching racist tennis. You're just like, man, you didn't need to volley that back, Nicholson.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's like, you're, dude, you're in like 1980. he's like in 1920 for some which doesn't make it right either but but also Nicholson you fucking hurt it the first time dude yeah so basically and then this is when

Shelley Duval I think this is I think the night kind of passes Shelley Duval wakes up this is when we're watching the Roadrunner cartoon it's a pro move by her because she knows what's going on yeah she's like hey I'm just going to go outside and talk to your dad real quick you keep watching these Roadrunner cartoons

I'm just going to lock the door behind me. That's it. You and Tony could just... Oh, that's right, because now this is when Danny is no longer Danny, and he's like, Danny's gone, Mrs. Torrance. You can't wake up. It's just me. Tony, we can finally be together. I got rid of that little worm

for us. I did it for us. Oh, say, Mrs. Torrance, how do you feel about Italian food? Do you have thigh highs? Oh, ew. that whole sequence starts those jokes she's oh gross

she's running through her head like she's talking through to herself like how she can escape from the hotel with Danny this is where Danny's also yelling the first time I think you hear him yelling red rum is when this starts up whatever

but yeah this is the Danny can't wake up Mrs. Torrens it's a pro move she's like I don't lock the door behind me and she kind of just slightly grabs this baseball bat. Why they brought this baseball bat? I do not know. Or was it in the hotel for some reason? Oh, that baseball bat, dude? Yeah. That's been there the whole

time. Baseball bat's got a fucking old photo on the wall. Mickey Mantle comes to the plate. But I do, one of the, one of the criticisms of the book, of the movie was like, oh, Wendy you know, Shelley Duval, whatever.

She's just either crying or she's fucking stupid. And I just don't buy that at all. I don't buy that she's stupid at all. I think King's whole thing is like mad that Kubrick's genius is overshadowing his and then also the bad reception when it came out. Yes, it's that

and I also think that she gets a beef because she's not hot. You know what I mean? There's some like, and I did some air quotes there because I think she's perfect. Yeah, you got to tell people when you're doing those air quotes. But like, because King was like, oh, I wrote her as like an ex cheerleader type, which is actually what he wrote. Jesus. Yeah. You know what I mean?

This fucking wives are always the villains in Stephen King novels anyway. Exactly. You wrote thinner, you idiot. I guess his whole criticism, I read this a little bit too, that like, it looks like Shelley Duvall has had like a life before

going to the hotel. And that he wanted the character to be like dim and surprised innocent or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Well, just that's because that's not a character. It's like, yeah, Shelley Duvall is like bringing like a pathos to it. Like it's clearly like whatever. It's like,

The cheerleader type would have never had a problem in the world. Right. Okay. But then would have it at the hotel and it would be heightened more. Yes, Mr. King. Just that. You both. Yeah.

Hair of the dog that bit me, Mr. King. So she runs out with baseball bat. This is when we finally get the all play all working. She's like, let me see what he's writing. Sounds like a little boys in your mouth. He has just trying to get out, dude. Little beers in my mouth. out.

We should mention also this is Dick Halloran has he's on a plane right here catching like this a fucking 8 a.m. flight from Florida to Colorado. That's a long one but also he's got what my favorite thing in the world is which happens very rarely. It's

gentleman's first class. You're in coach but no one shows up in the middle seat oh yeah it's not too bad. And he doesn't have a book because I imagine he's just shining with other shiners. Oh totally. Are Danny. Why would you ever need a book if you can read people's thoughts. Like, what's this guy

up to? Oh, that guy's a fucking freak. What's that lady up to? Oh, she's a fucking freak too. Or find someone that's reading a book and then just read their thoughts because they're reading the words in their head. I want to read that. I don't need to buy it. It's like all, it's an all audio book situation. It's happening. He, when he, I love when he fucking lands and he calls this

dude from the airport. Yes. This Tony Burton. Yes. Of Rocky fame. Oh, fucking right. Oh, yeah. Okay. So he's talking to Tony Burton. Tony Burton's like a dude who works at like a gas station. I love this gas station. I love the exterior shot. Durkins. Yeah.

It looks like we're in Antarctica and like the thing. Yes, definitely. But he goes, he's like, yeah, you know, I got to get up to the Overlook Hotel. You know, an Overlook Hotel. That's so great. Hotel. Yeah. And Tony Burns like, the fucking, dude, you know what fucking month it is, man.

And he's like, oh no, I got to get up there. Mr. Olman call me. It's a matter with the people with the caretakers. They turned out to be completely unreliable asshole and I'm like well you're not wrong it's just your delivery

is great you know if they lean more into the boiler thing it would make the urgency make more sense for that end like I can't leave yeah yeah totally because it's not that the hotel's actually never threatened in this version right you know what I mean like right right right right right um so this is she discovers

the typewriter and this all work and no play makes a jack a dull boy Did you read or did you read or whatever supposedly again in the Tribune trivia the fucking bonkers detail about this? That it took months for some woman to write this all out. Kubrick, no, Kubrick typed it. Oh, Kubrick spent months typing out

the all-working no-play, make Jack a dull boy, which is fucking hilarious because of the Kubrick error when one of the lines you can clearly read as all-worm and no play, you fucking idiot. I have to go back a door to get you got to come back with the grave productions canceled. We got to go back. And there was worm there.

Wait, well, let's just, you know, worms go and corpses. It fits. It fits. It's fine. You know, I had Stanley. He was going to haunt the Chelsea Hotel, but he had to go back to life to recreate this whole scene. He's doing like extra additions like fucking Lucas. You know, I didn't have the ghost technology to have all those words right, but I got it.

Oh, so like Spielberg gets it right and ready player one. That's what Kubrick always wanted. Yes. He just wasn't the technology of the time. He wanted a ghost vortex down to hell. Right, right. I actually wanted all the swords and Barry Lyndon to be guns. And now we can do that.

Thank God. Barry Lyndon, the gun cut. Nothing but guns. Then he runs into... And he wanted all the guns in full metal jacket to be swords. You know, he just never got it right, that Kubrick. You remember all those swords used in Vietnam? hardly every gets a sword through the chest

and then Vincent Donovir just eat sword oh shit dude yeah I can see that eating some sword uh yeah so she she she uh he buried some sword anyway you know what this is the sword the he's she's got the bat he's like

he's young this is more this is my she's like I want to take Danny to a hospital Danny is gone it's only Tony now yeah oh you should have cut that shit off at the knees And this is where the only time I conflated the Simpsons parody with this movie because I was waiting for him to do what only Homer does

which is the give me the bat marge, give me the bat, give me the bat, bab, bab, bab, boo! And I was like waiting for Jack Nicholson to do that and I was like, no, that was the cartoon. That is the best Treehouse of Horror segmenting. Yes, absolutely, without question. It's just like, all the references, maybe it was. maybe his writing will give me a window into his madness. Feeling fine.

I love it. But yeah, so they, give me the bab-p-boo! Like, I was just waiting for Jack Nichols and to do that. It never happens. But this whole thing, I mean, again, like, you're saying this isn't a scary movie because you're bitching that it's not like a fucking jump scare, whatever. But this movie is really like

you're watching a horrific disintegration of a family. Yeah. And this scene on the stairs is that, you know. It's horrible. it's psychological horror, you know? That red light, that comes, like he slowly walks into an overwhelming red light. Yeah. It's incredible.

It's incredible scene. Gonna bash your fucking brains in. Yeah. He's like, you've had your whole fucking light to think what's a few more minutes going to do. And then she hits him in the hand. He's like, ouch. And then she's just like, well, I guess we're doing this now because he's going to kill me. Yeah. And she fucking knocks

his ass out. And that would be, if you were in the theater in the 1980s, that would be a clapping. Oh, that's not the audience. You're going to hear it from the crowd. Also, kudos to the Jack Nicholson stunt double who takes the fucking horrendous fall down these stairs. And like, she's like dragging it. She, good

good move, drags him into the meat. The free, in the pantry. The walk-in freezer. Which is a smart move. Is it the freezer or is the pantry? It's a pantry. Right. Okay. Smart because like, hey, look, if I'm, I'm not, I don't want to kill this guy. He's got all the fucking calumet beans he has in there. Tang and fucking nilla wafers.

He can survive. He can survive. Yep. But he's just locked in. Her and Danny are just going to have to go paleo till no I disagree with this kill him and say the old lady in 237 did it no because no one can admit they saw a fucking ghost dude

just put him in the boiler yeah he went for a walk yeah and then the snowstorm came and I never saw him went out for a pack of cigarettes he went out for a pack of cigarettes and he got eaten by a pack of wolves and this is when like

he finally he gets a good you know his murderer brain kicks in and he gets a good attack of like, you hurt my head real bad. And like, he's trying to play on her sympathy. It's terrifying. He's like, honey, I think I need a doctor. And it's again, to the credit of Nicholson being a fucking great actor. That like, even I was like, oh, that poor man for like a split second. That was like, no, no, no, no, you've seen this

a hundred times. No, don't fall in there. And God, you would be butchered. I'm just opening it. Well, you said you needed a dog. And she's like, well, I'm going to go on the snow. Oh, you got a big surprise coming for you. You better go check it out. Yeah, it's such a good line. And he's also, he's also like disabled the radio at this. Oh, it's such a good disabled.

Oh, you see him just pull it like the guys like our KT1 to KT5. Where the fuck are you, lady? And he just pulls the whatever is out of this radio receiver. Yeah, it's like these little cartridges that I guess are like circuits or something. Yeah, I don't know how radios work. It's very, it's very space odyssey too, right? You know, you're taking the things out. Oh, totally. Oh, you're right.

Oh, cool, I'm dying now. This hotel's becoming less haunted. How about? Daisy. Sorry. How about Hal is a ghost? Robot ghost. Oh, and I think if I remember 2010, the year we make contact correctly,

the scientists that invents how is Bob Balabans. You can imagine Bob Balaband in some sort of Ghostbusters situation, where he harnesses a ghost and puts it in the computer to make the HAL 9,000. I never saw 2010. You know what? It's worth it, man. It gets a bum rap, I think. I mean, because it's not like all that is 2001,

but it's a totally, like, watchable sci-fi movie. Do you guys remember that viral video a few years ago? Brian a teen? No. It was like this actor doing an audition tape for that movie, but he thought it was like Cooper. No, he was doing an audition tape for Kubrick, but he was berating him in it.

Oh, really? for not agreeing to do 2010. Oh, no, I never saw this. This is fucking great. I tried to find it the other day, but a lot of it's been scrubbed from the internet for some reason. It's a real video that occurred?

I think so. It's not some like 20-year-old kid in L.A. with a sketch video. It could be some old fat guy came out. I was like, yeah, that was me. But I don't know. I don't know what reality is. It smells like the CIA.

It might be. I mean, the moon landing is fake. So everything. Everything is fake. Everything you've ever seen is fake. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know where we're going to put a robot ghost. I don't know really what we're going to do with you.

You could be a spooky vending machine. We got some administrative roles. We might be able to put you in. But other than that, the bear guy, the tuxedo. You could put him in our room. Yeah, dude, cool. Yeah, I'll fuck that computer. Three-some of the computer ghosts.

Loving it. Peace now. You're in a relationship with your computer? So that was all the 8-8. Yeah. So now it's 4 p.m. Yeah. I love this because it's like, you know, everything is getting, you know, quicker, quick, quicker, you know. And she, she finds the, the radio is destroyed. Snowcat is destroyed. So they're stranded. And this is when mom's taking a good old fashioned depression nap. And I, I'm here for it. When there's nothing left to do, let's just lay down for a few. Exactly. She's got the fucking dude locked up. Nobody's getting out of there. Time for a good old fashion. And you know what, Danny, mom. Mommy's having a depression happened. Yep.

But Tony's busy writing red rum and all that shit. The odd thing here is that Wendy has just left this tube of lipstick out and open on the table. Maybe like for the doctor possibly. That's for Tony. Hey, Tony. I made myself all pretty for you. I have to write red rum. Excuse me.

Lay off me. We just started dating. and this is when the ghost is the only time the ghost actually interfere with the real world. Right, Grady's fucking breaking his balls. And speaking of this, that's a great thing. It's like, come on

homo, come on, kill your family. Come on, kill your family. And they have to, like, can't talk, eating. They have to drag him out. Dracula and I think the mummy are part of that. It's like Freddy Kruger and Jason. They're all there. It's amazing. But yes, it's Grady. And like,

Grady's really given this guy got up. He's like, oh, you got the business from the old lady, didn't you? It's such a fucking line, though. He's like, I and the others have come to believe that your heart is not in this. That you haven't the belly for it. And it's like, man, this ghost is breaking this guy's nuts, man. Shall I release the dragons, sir? I know it's not his time of the year.

Just ignore what he says, okay? what he does is what's important the fire breath and such as you may imagine this dragon is quite old fashioned in his ways but they let him out and that's bad news for Wendy and the fam

absolutely this is red I mean this is red rum with the knife and everything and she fucking freaks out this knife is enormous good knife it's pretty it's pretty boss and then this is again

because this is it's you know Tony has you know information from the future and whatnot so he knows that Jack is on his way and then this is Nicholston starts fucking trying to break

into this apartment man here we go is the first one there's two doors one he just breaks into he breaks into he breaks he breaks it kind of the same way

and then she's left the key in the hole and he reaches his hand in and unlocks it and gets in and then this is the most terrifying rendition of the three little pigs oh yeah i've ever heard uh yeah so he does that whole thing she's in the she's in this

tiny bathroom there's a little window she gets danny out uh she can't fit and if shelly deval can't fit through a window it's a fucking small window it's a kid's only window and but this is something i realized this scene is like she's actually got the upper hand on him because she like goes right behind the door jam yeah he's cutting through he does the here's johnny he puts his hand in she cuts it and i'm like lady actually if you stay right there with that big fucking knife. Let that dude come in. You've got him. Like, all you do is get him in the side.

You get him in the neck. Well, you had him and here's Johnny. He sticks his fucking face in the door. Let's get stabbing. Hey, oh. I guess the thing was Nicholson improvised that. And because Kubrick had been living in England for so long, he apparently had never heard of Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon and didn't understand the reference and like almost cut it. Yeah. Can you imagine having to be like, uh, Stanley?

Do you know how fucking great of an improviser? line that is you like Stanley listen I know you don't believe me but decades from now people will still be parodying this line that this actor just made what did Kubrick do just like play chess all day night and nothing else

I don't watch television it's one of your television programs from after hours was he isolated because of all the moon landing stuff wasn't allowed to like see things anymore I don't know what prompted his move to England in the

first place. People for, I think it's kind of fascinating. Kubrick is one of those dudes that everybody like, I feel misremembers him as like an English dude. He's from the Bronx. Nobody remembers that. They just assume like shooting all these movies at Pinewood and all these other places. Exactly why he moved to England. It's because of the CIA government assassins coming for you. Absolutely. Elstree, by the way, not Pinewood. But yeah, it's just, it's kind of weird that he I mean, come on. Yeah. How fucking pretentious are you that you're like, yeah, I never heard of The Tonight Show. Is that something he says in the show or something?

Is that like a big joke? Ed McHugh. You know what? We're doing this 200 more times. You know what? Now we're doing it 300 more times. And someone's doing 50 push-ups. You're running laps, mister.

So whatever. The only reason she's saved by the way, it's not because of slicing his hands because fucking Halloran rolls up and he's like, oh, son of a bitch. And Halloran, again, use your, mind powers, read the room. He's like, hello. Is anyone here? Hi. Again, this is an example of him being a bad fucking psychic though. He fucked up on the dark stuff at the

beginning of the movie. And now he's fucking it up here too. It is such a good kill. It's the only kill in the movie. It's such a great kill. It's like a roar he lets out. The advent of that roar that Brad Durf stole for Child's play. And it is just the axe right to the heart. Oh my God. It's a perfect shot. The accuracy that this dude I misremembered. I was like, oh, yeah, this is where he gets the axe in the back. I was remembering it in the back too. That's the Simpsons, actually. You're running.

You're right. I guess which one I saw. Oh, but yeah, it's just a direct shot in the heart. Oh, man. And, you know, he's screaming. It's just, oh, it's beautiful. So this is while all that's going down. And Danny sees it, right?

Danny sees that part. I think he might shine it. He's not there. Oh, he doesn't see it because he's outside. side. Remember she chucks him out the window and he's making his way outside. He'll eventually go to the hedge maze and whatnot. But this is where the movie, the other part, so like all the murder's going on and Scatman

gets killed and Jack Nicholson's limping around and everything. But the other half of this movie is Shelly Duvall's haunted house. Yes. Because she's the one that's going through all of these rooms seeing like the dog dude blowing the guy, which by the way is in the fucking caretaker's apartment area. Oh really? Yeah. Which is kind of interesting, so it's like, I think we got a little lost after we left the ballroom. Let's go to the servants' quarters and have a

right Rimmie. A right Rimmie. Dude, exact dialogue from fucking Doughton Abbey the movie, by the way. Oh, he's having a right Rimmie. Oh, they're trying to transfer ownership of the hotel. I'll try to stop it with a right Rimmie.

After this blowjo, you can give me a right Rimmie. Exactly. That's why the fucking ass flap is open. Look out. Here comes the ghost of the Dowager Countess. Fresh from a right rimmy. I also love, she just like goes into one room and it's just like, oh, this is the skeleton people room. The skeleton people lobby by the way. They're all, oh. And it turns into Beetlejuice at a door. It's amazing.

It's so great because it's like skeletons drinking coffee. Skeletons reading the paper. There's a waiter's skeleton. but they don't move. So the question is like, is it like what even is that? Exactly. Yeah. And that's the genius. Yeah. I think well, exactly. Also the dude in the dog suit kind of looks like John Candy

in Spaceball. He does. I'm a monk. Half man, half dog. All blow job. Oh, definitely all blow job. Dude. Barf was all blow job. Barf job, dude. You want to write Remy? So, yes. So it's, yeah, the progression is a blowjob room, skeleton room.

Is there something else? The blood, we finally actually get the, she sees the blood again. The blood elevator happens in real time. Which on IMDB Tribune is to be believed. Yeah. It took like a year to get it right. Yeah. Like every time they reset it took nine hours to clean it up or whatever.

But apparently it was only like three takes or something, but he kept fiddling with how it would look or some shit. It's a great. shot. It's great. And I love, like, I think this is the one, they let it keep going and you see, like, there's so much fake blood that, like, the furniture gets lifted off the floor. And that chair totally

hits the camera. It's fucking awesome. It looks great. And he chases Danny into the maze at this point. Yes. Skatman is just dead. That's a wrap on Skatman Crothers. Well, that's actually her final fucking house of horrors as she sees her friend laid out on the floor.

And you've got to be like, oh, man, that was my husband wasn't it oh god damn it you know we're not as a family we're not like this we don't go around axing black people that's him and we're actually getting a divorce we are currently getting a divorce i would have voted for jesse jackson once if i had the opportunity i'm separated he doesn't know it yet but i'm separated from this marriage uh but this is where he's he's saying you know like daddy i'm coming you know and like this is danny does the thing where he outsmarts his dumb drunk dad. Yes, although I just in my notes saw another

Wendy Torren's House of Horrors. We forgot about the Great party, isn't it? The dude, that guy's awesome. But that's definitely not Grady. It's not. That's just another bald Englishman. Fair enough. Just want to check. What happened to that guy? Anvil

Ball said. Oh, I was here for cartoon con. Turns out that one room over there, the roadrunner is real. Oh, no, just a leaky pipe Just got me. Oh, boy, that was a bad one. Oof, that was a bad one. I lost my life in the beep, beep, sweet.

Dude, I guarantee if you go into all these rooms There's just so many people on toilets. Like, yeah, I'm the guy that died on the toilet. Yeah, heart attack. It's like, oh, room 236, heart attack. 231, heart attack. So many toilet heart attacks, dude. Yes, and he did.

Danny outsmarts him by like retracing his steps and changing. First of all, this kid must be freezing his tits off. Oh, absolutely, dude. No fucking Apollo 11 sweater is going to keep you warm out there. And this is when it's a great distinct character choice by

Nicholson. Is he just stopped speaking intelligently for the last 10 minutes of the movie. It's the same stuff he's been saying. It's the same stuff he's been saying. Yeah, he's keeping the same like syllable. He's becoming the bear man.

I mean, yeah, he's keeping the same syllable patterns for a lot of it. But it's just like, rah, right, like, Kevin he's, yeah, he's talking like Scooby Doo. Randy. Rom rolled, Randy. Ro, the robertrotters are here. You know, he would have gotten away

that it wasn't for that damn kid. Come on, Batman. And then, yeah, when he, it's a great, like, he just stops. and he sits down, it's a weird, like, the character just makes a decision to give up. Yes.

You know, and he's obviously physically exhausted and whatnot. He sits down in the snow, and it's just that hard cut. It's the hard cut with, like, the sound cue. Like, there's a lot of gongs on this. And that's another, like, wake up audience, you know? And it's like, wow. And he's just fucking frozen.

They do show Wendy and Danny get away in Scatman's Snowcat. They're like, thank you, scatman. He's not needed now, dude. That guy was so nice. Now, what's he doing at the fucking Overlook? That's a great question. I think, you know, he retains his chefly position. He does.

I mean, such a staple of the Overlook Hotel is Dick Hallor and head chef. You know, we've been drafting. This whole thing was for you, Dick. We wanted a cook. Finally, we got one. It was time to retire. Damn it, but all the ghost food is just shit. It's just poo.

and hot dogs. Welcome to Ghostor Chef. It's season 10. Dick Hatter and it's season 10. And then this movie's over with and these very quaint simple credits roll. Well, it's, you see him frozen, obviously.

Yes. Great. Is that a puppet or is that him? I, you know, I've always thought puppet but I've never got confirmation. I haven't looked it up. But then we cut to inside the hotel. We've got some nice good old fashioned oldie music. And we're panning it.

We're doing a super zoom on one photograph. Party 21. July 4th, 201921. The July 4th ball. Yeah. And of course, Jack Nicholson is dead center in the frame. It's not that, but it's good. And that's the movie man.

Now, you know, there was a bit of a bullshit here. And I don't know who knows this movie. I think maybe you were in this Greg Taylor class of mine had purchased. Maybe. IMDB says that because this, the final thing of like the photograph on the wall and we zoom in and zoom in and zoom in and zoom in and zoom in until it's the photograph.

Is a reference to Michael Snow's wavelength? I don't remember it. I might not have. It's an avant-garde sort of experimental with him. It's like 45 minutes. Michael Snow, I think was a Canadian filmmaker. It's all the film is,

it's a camera like set up top from like a like the ceiling of an apartment and it's a 45 minute slow zoom onto a photograph so like while it's happening like Hollis Frampton who was like another filmmaker on the scene at the time like runs in. It sounds familiar now.

I think I might have. All these people like do things in the frame all while it's slowly zooming in and it gets to a photograph on a wall on the other side of the room and if I'm remembering it right it's like a beach or something and then the last thing you hear is like waves. So some, I know, to be was claiming that this was a reference

to that which I don't know about that. It was also claiming that like it was hugely influenced by Eraserhead which I could I guess see. Well supposedly Kubrick loved the movie and he was showing everybody the movie on set a bunch of times because he wanted the atmosphere to equal eraser head

which I guess I can kind of see it's nice to see one of my faves like another fave exactly dude yeah totally I just don't know that I buy Michael Snow's wavelength but if you can find that movie I think it might be on YouTube. It's kind of interesting to watch. It's an interesting movie.

I mean, most of Michael Snow stuff is pretty interesting. But that movie was from like 67 or something like that. So it could also just be a long Zoom. Yeah, exactly. That's why I think it's kind of like bogus. But it just reading that was at least nicely reminded me of like this great experimental film

that I haven't seen since college. Speaking of Michael Snow, I'm more into his early work as Michael Rain. We know where we wore a purple ghee. I like to get anything for a more, of combat. Yeah, purple ninja outfit. Like what he started with

the X-Files. If Stanley Kubrick lived, I think he would have made a moral combat movie. Oh, definitely. Yeah, he would have directed Defenders of the Realm,

dude. Huge fan of annihilation. The cool thing is if you let the credits play out, say, get over here again. We're going to do it 341 times. Get over here.

Get over here. Get over here. Oh, he's like terrorizing Scorpion. Stanley Kubrick was murdered with a harpoon today. That's your best toasty. You're a shitty performer, you know?

You're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit and you should do better than this. Johnny Cage's gets so stressed his hair starts to fall out. Video game developers like, you know, you know, fuck that movie. He didn't really understand noob's side of the hot. That's not how his bicycle kick looks at all. if you let these credits play out

when the song ends like around the credits or whatever you hear just like it's like wild sound from what could be like a crowded hotel ballroom which is kind of cool I realized I'd never sat through

all the credits I didn't either I let the disc just go and yeah when the music when the song ends the credits aren't very long and when the song ends you can just hear people like chatting

like it's in a you know a gathering like the ballroom it's kind of nice little effect there and then it officially says the end which is the end of the end of the movie. It's the end of the movie. Now, as always

on we love movies, we don't say whether or not we'd recommend it because obviously we would, we love it the movie, but did it hold up for you in the same way upon this rewatch? It does. I mean, it's like, again, like it's a little less like scary, scary. Like the exorcist, I think always remains

scary. Like, it's always just, it always freaks me out. But I mean, this movie is just like, it is like you said like the psychological horror. It always just like hits you in the breadbasket. If you ever watched your parents argue. This is a movie that's going to take you right there. Totally. It's one of those movies like every time you

watch it, you just, you kind of even if you're at home or whatever, you kind of stop what you're doing and give this movie the respect it deserves by paying attention to it because you can't not. The phone is in the other room. It turns into a vortex. You're just watching all these shots.

That's me. Oh yeah. Fuck yeah. This movie fucking rules. Thank you. I love this movie. This is one of the wearing his poochie t-shirts. It's the fucking best. I love this movie. More than I love most movies.

I would say like, are you being serious? Oh yeah, I'm 100% I love this. I'm just checking. You're not like Jack Nicholson on that job interview? I was like, is this a bit?

Oh, this is one of my contrarian things. I don't know. No. You're like, oh yeah, it's fucking great. No, it is. It's fucking amazing. It's fucking rules. And there's, like I said,

it's an incredibly dense text. All those room to 237 things, like there's, you could pick up those lines throughout the movie visually he's playing with a lot of stuff here all the Native American stuff like the cans with the baking powder stuff all of it

it's incredible incredible movie one of those I realized this time with the tennis ball what he's throwing the ball against is a Native American work of art yeah that's just on that wall and he's like you know what fuck it tennis ball and honestly like the idea of him always being there it's like him

after failing to be like what his idea of a progressive man is going back to the horrors of history that man inflicted. He's always been part of that but now he's giving himself over to it is how I always saw it. Right. I think it's incredible. I also

love the image of him ending up and amazed that he can't get out of because the whole movie is kind of about him not being very bright. You know what I mean? Like he tries to take this intellectual pursuit. He thinks he's this genius. When he has the opportunity to be that, he can't be it. He tries

to get into this maze. He cannot get out. Sorry. No, no, I think you guys are right. Don't apologize for making a good point, but I think this movie is obviously fantastic. I really love the atmospheric stuff with it. And you were mentioned about those camera shots of the start that are sort of like Evil Dead-esque. Yeah. It's just top to bottom, great.

And I want to mention, speaking of Mortal Kombat, get back to the important stuff. Real movies. No, no, no. Mortal Kombat 11, they're like now like, oh, we're adding Terminator. and the Joker. Oh, right. Add Jack Torrance.

Yes. Can some of these fucking games grow, grow a scroat and add Jack Torrance? You could give him an axe. Exactly. And a tennis ball. I could throw a tennis ball. You know what? Add Barry Lyndon, too.

He just talks him to death. You know what, Luke Kang? You can start now by getting the fuck out of here. It's just him being shitty to the characters. They get sad and leave. Think of how fun that would be. That would be like, look at those fatalities. man. Oh, yeah. That's his power

Oh, yeah. Dude, so many sickways do a decap. Absolutely. Yeah, I love this movie. It's one of my all-time faves. I don't know that it's my favorite Kubrick because I'm a big, weird 2001 guy. But I fucking love this movie. I think it's my favorite Nicholson performance, though. In a sea of great Nicholson performances, it's a hard decision

to come by. But for right now, in In August 28th of 2019, it's my favorite Nicholson. This is my favorite Kubrick, actually. I love 2001, but I think this is a bit more watchable. It is. It's a less of a struggle. It's a three-way tie, I think, between those two and Eyes White Shut for me.

That's a great love Eyes White Shut. Yeah, 2001, I mean, might take the cake for me as well, but this is quite a film. And you know what? You can say it every so often, and we can say it here, Stephen King was wrong. And really quickly, because I said, we would mention at the end. I know we're wrapping it up, but that television adaptation, it ain't great, it's fine at parts. It was a mini-series,

right? It was a two-part thing. Rebecca DeMorney is the wife, which I guess is more close to fucking Stephen King's weird cheerleader thing. She's blonde at least, yeah. Yeah, there's that. Stephen Weber is Jack, which is fine. It adheres much more to the book, and that's a problem because in whatever it was, like, the late 90s when it came out, dude, those fucking, like,

CGI hedge maze. animals or not hedge maize hedge animals which is closer which is the book yeah there's no hedge maze in the book it's these animals the movie it's like it was fucking a bc you know made for tv movie these things are like brr i'm a lion now looks like you're fucking chucky cheese i mean i do think that that's the point is i actually wonder now to come to think of it if we're going to do this again and big screen now it is coming out it's a huge deal and i feel like i'm remaking this would be it's such a tough i feel like because it only had the television thing.

Exactly. And then it was like, we're going to do these movies, whatever. I don't think you can go the other way. What I do wish they would do, and it doesn't look like they're going to, I was a big fan of the first season of Castle Rock.

And what was cool was in that show was just like reps to Stephen King. Sure. And then the story that played out was wholly original. But they had Gillian Jacobs, I think, played the character of Jackie Torrance in the show. But then I heard that,

like the second season, they're doing like an American horror story thing. So it's like, it's just another situation in Castle Rock. And I'm like, fuck, I hope like she's in it in some of the best. Don't they also reference I'm trying to remember. I swore I heard a reference to Christopher Walken's character in the Dead Zone. Yes,

they make something about there's a guy that had psychic power. Yeah, there's a lot of that but she was actually a character and I thought it was kind of cool. I think that's a way you could do it. I think this is, it's an untouchable. You can't theatrically release an adaptation of this. I'd be shocked if they didn't

honestly. No, I know. I mean, we are in like the King of Sons going right now. Big time. But like he's got to have other books too, right? Yeah, it turns out he's got a ton. Never done insomnia, which would be an interesting one to do. Remake thinner. Do it again, man. Do it better. Do remake

hearts in Atlantis. But I already saw it in theaters the one time. That is the Shining from 1980 directed by some guy named Stanley Kubrick. Thank you so much for continuing to support this Patreon. This is the We Love Movies branch of the Patreon.

And we thank you so much for jumping on board. Until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin. Neffat's cabbage. Neffat's Kedges! Wait, you want cabbage? What's happening? Cages! He's hungry.

Oh, Chris Cabin. Eric Siski. Take it easy. Thank you.