We Hate Movies - S16 Ep833: Tombstone (1993, W❤️M, with Jamelle Bouie)
Episode Date: November 25, 2025“He looks like he’s about to go on tour with Waylon Jennings” - Chris on Kurt’s mustache On this week’s episode, We ❤️ Movies Month comes to an end as we welcome back our bud, Jamelle ...Bouie to chat about the stacked-cast Western, Tombstone! How incredible is the casting job here? Would this thing work without the majesty of Kurt Russell? Was Sam Elliot the only one who already had a mustache going into this production? And, hot damn, do we miss Bill Paxton. PLUS: Doc Holliday and Wyatt Earp play Guess Who together! Tombstone stars Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Powers Boothe, Michael Biehn, Charlton Heston, Jason Priestley, Jon Tenney, Stephen Lang, Thomas Haden Church, Dana Delany, Paula Malcolmson, Lisa Collins, Dana Wheeler-Nicholson, Joanna Pacula, Michael Rooker, Harry Carey Jr., Billy Bob Thornton, Paul Ben-Victor, John Philbin, Robert John Burke, Billy Zane, Wyatt Earp, John Corbett, Peter Sherayko, Buck Taylor, Terry O’Quinn, Frank Stallone, and Robert Mitchum as The Narrator; directed by George P. Cosmatos. This episode is sponsored by Sonos! This holiday season, give the gift of Sonos sound! Right now, Sonos is offering up to 30% off during their Black Friday Event. Don’t miss out—shop now through December 1, 2025 at sonos dot com. And also by Rocket Money! Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to RocketMoney dot com slash WHM today. That’s RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. RocketMoney dot com slash WHM. Get your tickets to our 15th Anniversary show this December where we’re talking all things Arnold in Total Recall! It’s gonna be a gas and we wanna see you there! Click through for tickets now! Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.
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Jamel Bowie, to the program.
We're talking the stacked cast film.
That is Tombstone.
Enjoy.
This week on the program,
this film may just have the most stacked cast
in cinema history.
We're talking Tombstone.
I'm Andrew Juppin.
Pepperoni.
Oh, Stephen Sade, Agnes.
Eric Sisker.
Chris Earp.
I'm your Huckleberry, Jamal Bowie.
And we love movies.
Hello everyone, welcome to We Love Movies.
Thank you for tuning into the fine program, as always.
That's right, this week.
Finally getting around to this guy, 1993's Tombstone,
sort of directed by George P. Cosmitos, we'll get into it.
And here to help us talk all about it as a good friend.
Welcome him back to the program.
Once again, Mr. Jamel Bowie.
Hey, man.
Hello, y'all.
Thank you so much for having me to watch this movie,
which is a perfect that guy movie you know it's like oh it's that guy oh yeah i think you're missing
like m m at walsh and that's almost it like if he was here i think it would be covered
emm at walsh maybe uh who's the guy who's the guy who plays the um the president and clear
and present danger and he plays like the commander and the thing oh yes oh yeah he died not too long
ago oh man yeah what's that guy's name well yeah what's on his tombstone what was that name
that one.
Worked with Kurt Russell, obviously.
In the thing, which we know.
Oh, that guy.
Yeah, what's his name? I actually worked
with that guy's
grandson years and years
and years ago. Yeah, and one, out of nowhere,
he was like, Donald Moffat.
Donald Moffitt, yes. One day,
this dude was like, oh, yeah, like my
grandpa passed away. I was like, oh, sorry about that.
Yeah, he was an actor. You may have seen him. He was in like
the thing and clear and I was like, what?
Your grandfather is that dude that I was. I was like, I was like,
what? Your grandfather is that dude that
I've seen on TNT a thousand
times. But here's the thing, even his grandson
was like, oh, he was that guy.
Yeah, he knew. He knew.
You don't know him, but he's
that guy. He probably barked at him
like a dog, you know?
A junkyard dog.
This is a, yeah, I mean, this is
speaking of TNT, this is like all over.
I've watched this movie
so many times on cable, but like
end to end like twice. Like once when I
rented it as a kid and then last night,
everything else has been like hotel TV
and whatever else. In pieces, yeah.
It's sort of what, like, I think
they put TVs in hotels for this movie
to be broadcast inside them.
I will say, uh, this might be,
this might be kind of stunning, speaking of like
seeing this in bits and pieces.
This afternoon, first time front to back
for me in this movie. Oh, wow. Really?
Yeah. I just, it's one of those like,
uh, uh, cultural osmosis. Like, you feel like
you've seen a lot of it plus all the, like,
TNT broadcasts you know
I've watched parts of this movie
on like three separate we hate movies
tour runs over the years like
but never all the way through and
you know pretty fun time in its entirety
it is a long one
that's this is and it's a story
that has been told
I would say better
in much shorter form
otherware of most
most I mean everybody my darling Clementine being the most
the best one I mean
what's the next one on your list
the Star Trek
episode. I would probably like
Wichita or Doc are both very
good. Are you talking that Star Trek
episode where there's like zero
money in the budget and it's like barely a
set at all? I love that one. Yes.
It's like a saloon doors
to nowhere. Yes. Yes.
Oh, that's right. Fuck, that's funny.
The opening of this movie just lets
you know things aren't exactly right
with this movie. It's like, here's
Robert Mitchum. I don't know.
We got to start it somehow, folks.
Just sit down. We'll get through it.
1879, the Civil War is over and the resulting economic explosion spurs the great migration
west. Farmers, ranchers, prospectors, killers and thieves seek their fortune. Cattle drovers
turned cow towns into armed camps with murder rates higher than modern day New York or Los Angeles.
Are you the court reporter for this movie?
I have a pretty solid impersonation of Bob Mitchum.
This is my second time watching this movie and I hate to be this way, but as soon as
Robert Mitchon said,
the post-sival war
economic boom,
I was like,
that's not right.
There wasn't a post-of-war
economic room.
No, sir.
I heard they found
silver in Arizona.
Maybe that has something
to do with it.
Let's just go to Arizona,
okay?
If everybody thinks they know
something, let's go to Arizona,
then.
Let's just go.
I enjoy that that opening
sequence when they are
gunning down that Mexican wedding
is shot like a
sandpack and paw film.
Yes. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Powers Booth himself looks like he's straight out of a late 60s, early 70s, Western.
It's almost like watching this, I was like he sort of looks like they just took footage from a way older movie and somehow dumped it in this one.
He looks like so out of time.
Nobody sweats like that man.
That man sweats with the best of him.
It looks gorgeous on him.
And he just like, when he's really focused and mean looking,
it just it works so well this i just
rewatched uh uh southern comfort with him
so damn good yeah uh is that the nicholson movie uh no the uh i'm thinking of going south
going south is what you're thinking of yeah yeah this this is i think it's walter hill um
sounds really good yeah yeah i mean yeah it's the cast that makes this movie and to jemales
points the squibs are the second most important cast members the squibs are great in this movie
People just get opened up by these guns.
Oh, it's great.
It's the way it should be in movies like this.
I'm looking at you, Predator Badlands, you fucking bloodless, cowardly movie.
We used to make things in this country.
Yes, right.
That's gratuitous violence in our movies.
There should be squib factories everywhere.
You could go to a city in America and you would find a squib factory and they were going every day.
That's what happened.
My grandfather worked hard mining squibs in the skibs.
Squib and the Squibb mines.
Sorry, Timmy, there'll be no Christmas this year.
Canon films closed down.
No.
Oh, no.
All these people panning for fake blood
and by the creek, I guess.
Filling like broken old capsules of squibs
and like, no, no, I swear they're still good.
No, no, you don't have to make any action movies.
You keep on making Moscow on the Hudson or whatever.
No, no, thank you.
That's not a great one.
speaking of canon films can we talk real quick about how cosmetos got on board here this is like this is some weird stuff so the the guy who wrote this movie uh what jaffy kevin jare kevin jaree that's what it was uh was also trying to pull double duty as directing this movie and like instantly fell behind with it and they fired him after like a month so cosmetose comes in and cosmetos of course of cobra leviathan first blood part two uh he'd yet
to make 1997 shadow conspiracy
which was his last movie
but like from all accounts though
oh shadow conspiracy
yeah shadow conspiracy is awful
did you guys do it uh did you and john
do it on the podcast we did it on the podcast
and I think I remember us both being like apologizing to each other
I am so sorry
I'm so sorry I did that to you
has anybody else seen Cosmetose's
rat horror movie
of unknown origin, which rocks.
No. How is that, Chris?
I know that we just left Horror Month,
but really, if you get a chance,
it's Robocop is trying to have
a normal life. Peter Weller, you mean?
Yeah, yes, Peter Weller.
Oh, I thought you meant there was like some sort of
cyborg character in this movie.
Apologies. Yeah. No. Crop versus a giant rat? I think that's
cool. I think a robocop
domestic drama, honestly. Yes. Yeah, totally.
It's part that too. If I
get my hands on that realtor.
I am going to kill him. I can't believe
these rats. Robocop
too sort of turns into that a little bit when
he's stalking the X-Y. Yeah, he's
like driving by the house like all
crazy divorced cops dude. Definitely.
She took all my
Oreos. But to
hear about it though, like
because Cosmetose was like
dumped in. They were already a month into it.
They'd shot like everything with Heston already.
And so like this dude
was also scrambling. So to hear
certain people tell, including Val Kilmer, like,
Kurt Russell kind of directed a lot of the movie
and then refused credit for it, which is crazy.
Interesting.
It sounds right. Apparently, he might have even
been involved to why Jare got out because
like he was like, purpose, possibly purposely
delaying stuff. Really? That's, I mean,
that's, that was on IMDB.
Yeah, the hot boss. Wait, Kurt was
purposely delaying or Jaree was
Kurt was delaying him to make him look worse because he wasn't
happy with how things were going. Oh, interesting.
Apparently, like, you can tell, too, that this movie, the script for this movie initially
was this huge thing, sprawling thing, with all these subplots that kind of, the movie just
kind of condenses as it goes towards the end. It's like, just a series of gun montages.
Yeah, man, sure.
But editing does a lot of work in this movie. But I think you're totally right, because I was
noticing there's just moments in this movie where time just skips ahead.
Yes. And they do a really bad job.
of conveying that until it's
like way later
in like that part of the movie
for the most part I think there's like one time
where it's fine oh I think because
like Sam Elliott still has his
like arm in a sling so you're like all right it can't
be that much time has passed but like
like the jump from when they're like
we shouldn't do this anymore
to it cuts in like Sam Elliott's
the sheriff all of a sudden wait a second what the hell's
going on how did that happen so
it is choppy but man talk about
like a movie just resting
on its cast alone
you know the one thing that does shine through
above everything else is Kurt Russell
I think this is one of his best movies
like this is him really going
to the like even as
I mean like you have Robert John Burke
in here for some reason
so many people here who could steal
a show wait RoboCops in this movie
Robo you should have said RoboCop 3
RoboC is in this movie
stick with your thing he gets shot
he's one of he's with he gets shot with
Thomas Hayden Church and the other guy he's in the
okay corral he's the mustache man
at the okay man so
there's even a purchase alum in this movie now
there is indeed yes Chris I think
you're right I think this is Russell's best
like star performance
yeah yeah
because I mean I'm sure thinking of his other big ones
you mentioned the thing but the thing is so much
like a that to me feels like a
like the star is the group
like it's very
ensemble performance like
you couldn't take Russell out
but he isn't
he isn't like the center of the focal point
of that film but in this
he I mean he is he is like a focal
point of this movie like as much of this as much
as this is like a that guy film
I don't think this works at all
without just like his insane
amount of on screen
charisma yeah absolutely
although like even in the okay
corral when he goes oh my god right before it happens
it's like that's such a Kurt Russell
delivery that gives like a tempo
to that scene and of course
obviously the late great Valc
and I think the chemistry is really important
with him and Val Kilkenes
yes yes big time
they work so well together
that like the final hospital
scene where he's like begging him to just
leave so he can die and like
he won't see him die fuck that's great
that's some of the best like
I mean the best Kilmer of all time but like
Russell just has to like sit there
and react to a lot of it and he does a really
great job like in that scene
not just in that moment with him like trying to like like yeah we're playing cards come on man and
he's like which card don't you want and all that stuff like man it is so so good but if it was like
if it was the all kilmer hour instead of like it of like russell being the anchor then it's like
a creepier weirder movie if it's all the sam elliott anchor then it's like a stiffer more
kind of whatever sort of movie but like russell there's something about him that like
this movie can sort of revolve around him or always
he's like comes back to him he's the anchor of it and it just the russell for whatever kirt russell just
sets the right tone for whatever this movie has to be russell rules for sure now you know what's
creepy and weird you use those words is seeing your dad your friend's dying you place a biography of him
on his chest that you wrote i don't know i don't it feels like your story's been written goodbye uh i saw
i will hold off of my eric sisco biography until you're well on the ground thank you oh man come on you
told me I could read some of my friend Eric
Cisca. I mean, the
trick is to give the biography where
they're still living and it's sort of like, you know, Eric
Cisca
to 2025 and he's like, what? And then you
have a gun in your hand. Oh, now we're doing it.
The things, if I'm dying, now I want to read the book.
I want to know what they got wrong.
I want to do my version,
do some notes, perhaps.
We've long said that Eric Cisca's biography
would have to, I think autobiography
would be the best version. And it has
to be called Eric Siska, too
much is never enough.
That is, to me,
this is the Eric Siska,
big, big letters. That's what I want.
Thank you, because I have lived life to its limits
and now it's my time.
Kurt Russell's 90s are really
weird. Like, it's just
I mean, the dude doesn't work a lot.
I think that's probably he doesn't want to.
91, he's got backdraft.
92, unlawful entry.
oh yeah yeah that's a domestic thriller also another domestic thriller captain ron yeah dude that is a hair-raising thriller that movie
stay the fuck tuned on that one uh 93 it's this uh forest gump he's Elvis Presley as a voice uh 94 94 also
Stargate 96 executive decision 96 escape from LA 97 breakdown 98 soldier and that's the 90s
that's the 90s for Kurt Russell that's a
Honestly, that's a, that's a big VHS rental 90s, right there.
That's a solid blockbuster Friday, pick-out movie.
Yeah.
You know, that's how I saw Stargate.
You know, that's, that's a blockbuster film.
Big time.
Absolutely.
And it was still in like the, it was the red case, which meant it was only like a two-day rental instead of three-day.
Because it was so goddamn popular, apparently.
But yeah, there's, you know, there's movies in there, like, uh,
Like, is it unlawful entry?
Isn't that him and, is that Ray Liotta in that movie?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ray Lota's the bad cop.
That is the husband.
That might be an episode.
Yeah.
That's,
it's kind of worth the spin.
We should do that with Pacific Heights.
Yes.
Like those are,
both of them are shot really well,
but they both kind of suck.
Spoiler alert,
I think about Michael Keaton's death in Pacific Heights,
at least like once every other two,
three months or so.
Because it is just one of those like,
damn that guy got killed i mean that's how that's how i think about um segal's death and executive
decision yes one of the great movie deaths of the 90s oh absolutely you will you will yeah
but yeah so the all the the the cowboys bust up this mexican wedding and a priest puts a curse on
them and we just basically the irp boys meet in arizona uh wyatt is looking for a quiet life
And just, I guess like back then, you didn't see your brother for like 17 years because like you moved down the street.
Wait, is that not usual? Is that not?
I mean, it's been a while, I was what I'm saying.
And you write a letter. You're like, hey, let's move to the same town, dude. And he's like, sounds good.
And how about our other brother can also join? And we'll have like three houses right next to each other.
And it'll be like some weird Mormon complex or something. Yeah. Are you, are we starting a religion stop?
in your telegram kind of thing.
Because,
honestly, you look at
how flirtatious they are
with each other's wives
and you're like,
I don't know what's going on
here, Earp boys.
I mean,
middle of the 19th century,
sex communes out west,
definitely a thing.
With these mustaches,
absolutely.
Biggamy is king.
I'm a priest
in the Earp way.
I bring erpism
with me
everywhere I go.
I got to say this dude,
this uh the the the um groom here when he fucking says uh go to hell and powers booth just goes
you first and murders him yeah like this this scene really successfully sets the tone of this
god damn cowboy gang because like between that and then dude michael terrifying more than he's
ever been being holy crap is wringo in this movie man when he's fucking uh he's harassing the one guy
he's like, your fucking Spanish is worse than your English.
That's not what he said.
Great line.
Absolutely.
That goes into the hole he was quoting the Bible.
Behold a pale horse, a man on him was death and hell filed with him.
And we'll get a reprisal of that from Russell later.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, the boys meet at the train station here.
And dude, I look, Kurt Russell immediately given this dude shit for beating his horse.
Hurts, don't it?
That's fucking great.
It's just, he's, I mean, I love that he's kind of a bully.
at least in the beginning,
like he's slapping Billy Bob
Thornton around this horse.
He is telling everybody
how to chew their gum, man.
Yeah.
Absolutely, dude.
The Billy Bob scene
is one of the best scenes
in the movie
and one of the best
like Kurt Russell
intimidation scenes of all time.
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but yeah we meet up here with
Virgil and Morgan
Virgil is Sam
Elliot and Morgan is my goodness
the late great Bill Paxton
who's just awesome in this
apparently according to George P. Cosmetos
every mustache of this movie is real
except for the guy who plays
B-Han that's like the Cricket Sheriff
because he had a previous
engagement so he had a fake must
everything else including this
bristle broom that Russell is rocked
incredible I want to
I hope they advertise that on the television.
Come to the tombstone.
Real mustaches.
Real men.
Now, Jamel, I wanted to ask you, Jamel, have you seen this photo of Russell from this time period of making the movie in the L.A. King's locker room with Ronald Reagan.
It's really.
It's scary.
But he's got, it confirms this is a real mustache because he's got this crazy giant mustache.
And he's standing next to Ronald Reagan, Goldie Hawn, and a young.
Wyatt. Let me look. I'll find that
photo. But he's, he looks like he's about
to go on tour with Waylon Jennings.
Yeah. Dude. Yeah. Yep. It's an
incredible. It's a combo of
the mustache with the hair
that he's got going on. It's
really fantastic. And also, wow,
Wyatt Russell, a lot of
balls wearing that fucking Boston Bruins
T-shirt into that L.A. King's locker room, kid.
I'll tell you that right now. Got to have confidence.
You got to believe it.
And everyone, I think, the first
he meets Bihann, who
who is the Cricket Sheriff who's like, hey, since you're, you're an ex-law, man.
And it's like, don't not doing it, buddy.
You know what I mean?
Retired.
Hey, do you hate the Chinese?
Well, I hate the Chinese.
Why don't we be brothers in the anti-Chinese League?
That is that guy's selling point is like, join up with me.
And I'll get you instant access to the anti-Chinese league we have going on.
To be clear, the nonpartisan anti-Chinese league.
Oh, right.
So we're not, you know, we're not, we're not Republicans or Democrats here.
You know, we're not greenbacks or freestoylers.
We are all united against the Chinese menace.
Yeah, like Dana White of the UFC.
He's not a political person.
He just has some ideas.
He's not political, FYI.
Is Dana White trying to get the Chinese out of the United States?
No, but he's just a huge Trump supporter that keeps saying that he wasn't a political person.
And he has a lot of ideas.
He has quite a lot ideas that he likes to share with people.
Okay, real quick about this photo.
All right, I know it's Reagan.
I know he's terrible.
Yes.
But that sport code, it rules.
It's a good one, man.
It's not bad.
I really like it.
I would, I would wear that fit.
I mean, be perfectly honest with you.
Is Kurt Russell wearing a t-shirt that says,
Will Fly for food?
Yes. Possibly.
And I was about to say I would wear Kurt Russell's fit for sure.
Yeah, I would get that.
Hell, I'd take Goldies.
That Reagan Blazer and come home to my wife like, Mommy.
Mommy, I met Snake Pliskin today.
Oh, we're going to up your dough, sweetheart.
We've got to up your door.
President of what?
Goldie Hawn doesn't look too thrilled to be taking that picture, by the way.
I'm just going to put that up there.
She has to be next to Rich.
She has to touch Reagan.
Ew.
You think there's a little.
She's looking like a snack, though.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
In 1993, Goldie Hawn, look out below.
phenomenal. I do love
the guy being, right? Because all I can think about
was that great smithers line at the
first part of Who shot Mr. Burns, where he's like,
can't a guy walk down the street
without being offered a job?
Because it happens to him like two or three times or like
other people approach and he's like, uh-uh,
don't want a job, retired now.
Because you're a well-known murderer.
We'd like you to be a murderer for our town,
please.
All out of the game, son.
very quickly Wyatt Earp is clock in the town and he realizes that there's one casino that isn't doing terribly well and it's not doing terribly well because big fat Billy Bob Thornton is just like ruining everything by being there which is great he's like their their dealer of the game Pharaoh which apparently existed he's like if you were to somehow get the comic book guy and like put him in the 19th century that that is Billy Bob in because he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's
over like the rules basically yes which is amazing though because it's like you're the dealer at
this like a saloons casino or whatever like your job is to be nice and friendly so people want
to keep gambling like this is no way for a casino dealer to behave he's complaining about a dude
smoking a cigar in his face which i do understand but i would be like yo dude this is the old west
you've never brushed your teeth let's all just relax here okay totally soap has never touched
your balls. What are you talking about? Steve, I gotta say
when I was, every time people
entered a room in this movie, my first thought was like,
damn, it smelled crazy in there.
Yes, absolutely.
Dude, there's the scene
sort of later on down the road
where it's after like one of the many
Doc holiday like health scares in the movie
and his fucking
Eastern European lady friend
there like comes over and she like
goes down on him and the whole time I was
just like, lady don't.
The fucking lady, the smell.
I mean, alone.
Come on.
She's there to clean it.
Weren't many other jobs back then.
It was cowboys.
That fucking open a
A fucking a building supply store.
I'm trying to think of all the deadwoods.
Barber is a good one.
Doctors.
Yeah.
But yes, he's so shit.
Billy Bob Short Thornton is just such a shitty person.
No one wants to be at this casino.
It's kind of great.
Yeah.
uh so yeah he just intimidates the shit out of him he smacks him so hard this dude starts bleeding from the mouth which is awesome so great he calls billy bob a tub too oh no
skin that smoke wagon and see what happens i love the incredible i'm slang here i love that oh man this is just like that's the thing why i think this movie works so well is because the humiliations are so significant all there's so many of them and they happen all
There's so many of them
And all of them cut so deep
Like all of them are just like
Let it last too
Like even Powers Booth
Just saying well
Bah
That's the only time
In a Western
That an actor has adopted
The accent of a valley girl
Like the old
Well
Bye
It's so awesome
To be fair
He is wheeling his dead brother
Behind him
Well, bye.
Okay, but you know what?
Regina George wouldn't back down from that, nor does he.
And you gotta be like, well, hey, goodbye.
Because he's about to show up and tell Billy Bob Thornton where to get off.
We do see Doc Holiday murder Frank Stallone real quick before this happens.
I love it.
Dude, he crawls on top of Frank Stallone like a cat and like stabs him in the stomach slowly.
It's fucking weird.
And this accent and like just the way that he,
The dialogue just pours and like, why, George, if we're not friends anymore, I don't know if I could bear it.
It's just the way that he like tears people that, again, the humiliations to Chris's point are very.
That scene also introduced us to the slur of lunger.
Like, everyone's calling him a longer because he's got lung problems.
I think we need to bring that back, I guess, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, but so what are you doing?
Like making fun of someone with lung cancer?
When Steve smokes a cigarette, you know?
I was like, where do you
plan to utilize this
What you're saying is you'd like to call
me a lunger. That's what you're trying to say. Yes.
And you'd be
okay with people calling you lunger too?
Or is that just... Well, if my lungs
fail, put it in the book. Put it in my biography.
Okay.
My lunger, Eric Sisko.
He also, when they
like, so him and that lady friend sort of like
robbed this gambling parlor right
here. And it is a great, he's like,
good evening then. And it is, it's
It's kind of like, I would not be surprised.
I mean, if you could go back and ask him, which you can't because he's been dead for almost 20 years.
But if you asked Heath Ledger, like, did you look at Doc Holliday's voice at all for the Joker?
I feel like he might say, yes, just a little bit.
It's in there.
Because there's something he did, it is supposedly like this historically accurate, like affluent southern accent or whatever.
And I guess Doc Holliday was related to like super rich people and shit like that.
But there is just something about that.
twang that just sounds a little jokery
a little bit. It's true and I like that they admit
at the end that it's like yes and this is authentic
I wanted to marry my
first cousin and I couldn't
just like all the sons of the south.
You can hear the south in there. You can hear the
south in there. You can hear the VD
in there. I mean
it's just it's incredible voice.
But yeah so
Doc Holliday goes from there to
help Wyatt Earp
humiliate Billy Bob Thornton because now
Billy Bob is really pissed and he's got a
shotgun and he's going to kill him
and is just so terrified by the sight of
Doc Holiday he won't do anything
it's so awesome Wyatt
I am rolling
the Molly that I have is so
powerful you see
take these guns away from me
I am having a day of myself
I could strangle this man I'm so high
on Molly but the way that they're so
terrified of them and so
like and the guys themselves
so easily like disarrow
these people. It has the vibe
of like Old West John Wick
like when the dude is shitting his pants
and Doc Holliday is like, oh Johnny
I apologize, I forgot you were still there.
You can go now and the dude like runs away.
Pretty funny. I hate to sound 97
years old, but like Wyatt Earp
was the Batman of his death.
Like they made so many fucking
movies about Wyatt Earp.
And there's and a lot of them
are really fucking good. And like
I said my darling come time, but like
Wichita. There's so many
fucking good ones. A gunfight at the
okay corral is actually just okay. It's fine.
You know, it's funny. I read that
one of the reasons for that, why it was more
Wyatt than Virgil ever was because
White went out to Hollywood in the
tens and started making friends with everyone
and spun his own story. So he was
kind of, you know, self-aggrandizing.
Well, yeah, and at the end,
the thing at the end about Tom Mixed crying
at the funeral. Like, yes.
Right, right, right. That just speaks to that kind of
thing. I mean, there is also a very good
Frank Perry made a great Doc holiday movie with Stacey Keech called Doc, if anybody gets a chance.
It's really worth your time.
I just want to note that, that, Chris, you're saying that you don't want to sound like you're 97.
I did have this vision of you in the 1920s, 30s, grabbing some kids Batman comic book out of her hands and being like,
back in my day, we had Wyatt Earp.
Not this bat, not this bat man.
Does he have a six shooter?
does he know how to kick a mule
what's funny in relation to that
the woman who plays
Maddie is the granddaughter of the founder
of DC Comics
The rich get richer man
Yeah that's weird
That lady also
Didn't need the paycheck I don't think
But she was also on an episode of Seinfeld
Where it's the
The Doodle episode
Jerry refuses to use her toothbrush
And she gets all
Oh yeah
Yeah she's that lady
This is one of the most thank
roles in cinema history is I am not only am I going to get
broken up with by my husband for
Dana Delaney I'm going to be a mean drug addict the
entire time yeah yeah not a lot to do here but sort of lay
back and sort of like be mean to your husband yeah
take shots of louddom yeah and that's it
give me give me a three fingers of laudanum please
be mean to the like the coolest guy in the world like in this
movie's idea. Like, Maddie, I know this actress. She's the
love interest in Fletch. Yeah, so
Dana Wheeler Nicholson. Okay.
So speaking of Dana Delaney, by the way, so she shows up with
Billy Zane, because this cast just keeps growing. And so
Billy Zane credited as Mr. Fabian, and she is
Josephine or Josie Marcus. And they are sort of this
traveling arts troupe where they put on these shows for
scumbag cowboys like they perform for later in this movie and so it's like a lot of uh we're doing
soliloquies and monologues and singing and things of that nature she steps off this wagon
she like beeline laser visions buys white herb and is immediately horny yeah she's like
immediate lady boner yes yes absolutely she's ready to take all her garters and all sorts of
things acutramal that they had to wear back then
ready to take it all off for this dude
Kurt Russell is Phoebe Kates
in Ridgemont High
for her in this moment
the way that he's just he's looking like
a trawl drink of water my God
he is fantastic dude now I'm just picturing if I could
Wyatt Earp standing on a diving board
taking off all his cowboy clothes before
he jumps up and it would be like coming
coming out of the tank that he's
do bump
bomb
bomp
do do I was just doing this song
It is great because even like Billy Zane is there's a there's a weird like we saw spied you from across the way we like your vibe because like Billy Zane's like notice the rustic blah blah blah and the way that his eyes squit in the sun and then she's like I want one like she wants to ask this dude's dick right on fucking main street like absolutely joke and he's got Billy Zane's got some sort of great like it's not this but it's like well happy hunting or like like.
Good luck.
It is happy hunting.
It's literally happy hunting.
But yeah, I feel like with that duo, they may have both spied someone across the way, Steve.
But later that night, if Billy Zane is in the room, he's just in the corner reading a magazine.
I don't think this character would be participating.
Possibly not.
Maybe if Dana was not in the room.
You get that vibe from this character.
It's not ever confirmed, of course.
But I think the film actually heavily implies, implies it because I think it's what Jason
freesley's character who like he gets like um who get when he when when the billy's
and care baby and is killed jesus his character is like you know heartbroken and i think i think
the strong implication is that like you know these are these are two you know most definitely
yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah because he definitely like holds like jason preasley grabs his
dead hand there at the end and that like that act alone is what makes him leave the gang he's like
wait a second i'm just hanging around with a bunch of shitty murder
and they murdered that guy, I think, is hot.
When we see the performance, like, it's, the cowboys are kind of cool with it.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, Jason Priestley, like, they're kind of grabbing his ass, joking around.
Right.
They're pretty progressive to cowboys.
Maybe the cowboys are the good guys here.
I don't know.
Curly explicitly is like, well, that's the prettiest man I've ever seen.
Yes.
And then it says he's going to drill the devil's ass, I think, before he knows it's Dana Delaney.
Oh, yeah.
He's performing fow.
Faust and
I'd drill that old devil in
the ass.
I'm like, okay man, let's go for it.
Let's do it.
Billy Zane is doing a monologue
from Henry V or something like that.
Some dude at the
beginning is like juggling and they shoot at him.
Which I guess is like
like if you're doing a bad job at the Apollo
theater like amateur night at the Apollo
and they'd get the little sheep
cane to pull you up.
That's the Old West version of this
I guess just shooting at the stage
until you leave and the next act
comes on, apparently.
Different kind of Sandman Sims, I assume.
Also, yeah, we get
Stephen Lang as Ike Clanton,
Thomas Hayden Church is Billy Clanton.
The cast goes on and on.
I mean, Stephen Lang like disappears in this role
because he's covered in grime the entire time.
I was like, it took me a while to realize it was him.
I was like, wow.
I've seen this movie a million times.
I never do with Stephen Lang.
Between this, him and Manhunter as like Freddie Louns,
Like, he really does disappear into stuff, aside from, like, now he's always playing cable for some reason.
But like, before Avatar, he would be like this character actor that would just be like kind of everywhere.
Yeah, yeah, he's really good in this movie.
And it's so funny because literally like three days ago, I rewatched Avatar.
And I had to be scrolling through the cast and I was like, oh, my God, Stephen Lang.
Like, I was on the IMDB page for this movie and it's like, you know, six pages down.
You get to Stephen Lang as listed.
But yeah, and he's great.
He's way puffier.
in this movie. And if
Cosmetosis is to be believed, which I don't
think anyone should ever believe a thing that
dude ever said, but he fucking said
that he was wasted the whole
movie, Stephen, Stephen Lang.
Method actor, that's great.
I got to say, Thomas Hayden Church,
it's weird seeing him
not craggily.
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like, he's
like, so, y'all, he's very smooth-based.
I'm just like, this isn't right, you know?
It's like, what am I? It's like, what are my
watching the first season of
Ned and Stacey
Wings at this point
Wings
He has to ripen a little longer
in the aging chamber
and they can come back out
It is yeah
One of those actors
Like yeah
He was like kind of handsome
But also Frankenstein-esque
So like he needed to weather
To become like
Side and Church
Like oh that's a handsome older man
Kind of a deal
I think you're totally right
It didn't help
That like half of his lines on wings
Started with him going
Oh
That added to the
Frankenstein-esque vibe, I feel.
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So, oh, great line when they're leaving the performance that night or whatever.
It's like, oh, you know, let's go back to the bar and have a drink.
Let's go play cards.
What are you doing?
And Sam Elliott as Virgil Earp is like, no, I think I'm going to go home with the misses.
And she's like, I want to go spend the night with my man.
And he turns out this is an amazing line.
And he goes, you know, her maiden name was Sullivan, as in these Irish can't stop fucking.
Oh, man, that's funny.
I didn't get that at all.
You did it.
You know, her maiden name was Sullivan, right?
They just, they're like them Jack Rabbits.
They just can't stop fucking the Irish.
I picked that up.
This was the time for vicious anti-Irish bigotry.
Oh, absolutely.
I can say it.
I'm married to one.
It's fine.
my big old pecker is just tired out because of these irish i'll tell you what i do love and again because
mattie is such an irredeemable piece of shit in this movie kurt russell is like hey maybe we could
fuck no just go out it's just like she is it's a very unfortunate performance not the performance
the role it's like it's like it's like from a it's like from an anti-drug PSA it's like well are you opium
no
but also
Kerr Russell's got to go
operate his pharaoh table
he's now just a dealer for this
because so that's okay thank you
so this was a thing that I was like
there's there's a line of dialogue
or two missing from the edit
here because he's like all right I got to go to work
and I'm like okay you know that he struck
a deal with the guy who runs
the room because he says something about oh 25%
of the gambling meetings or whatever
but I didn't think he's fucking
dealing at the table and then there he is
he's actually working like fucking Homer Simpson
at Mr. Burns Casino. We should have slow role that
got him like an orientation day
we said like where does my name plaque
go on this table? I don't think you
need any of that shit because this guy is already
he's like Ace Rothstein he immediately
is running the entire fucking
place. But that's what I'm saying Chris
is a dealer
but the dealer is such a low
you know a low on the
ladder kind of a deal I thought
like when he sinks that deal with that dude
I thought it was to like manage this establishment,
not work a single gambling thing.
Right, or protection or something.
Right, yeah, yeah, but eventually he's going to get there.
I mean, this guy, he waits patiently,
he's doing this job.
A big fucking whale walks in the room and puts down like not only his life,
but several other people's lives and all these,
when he gets a mining concern and he gets all those lots,
and I'm like, this guy is running several businesses now
because he fucking got this guy.
you know that is some insane gambling you're doing if you're putting like your mining operation on the line along with like two other operations because he's holding like three deeds by the end of the night and he's like boys we're in business i guess we're miners now starting next year you can put the deed to your house on fan duel and those fun apps oh nice that's awesome got a pre-sign though i think you have to make sure that you're you probably have to get a lawyer to do like to hold the other before you do it but whatever
ever you know i gotta say it has been amazing over the last few weeks watching uh any kind of
basketball related sports coverage that does not realize the fucking irony of them doing these
gambling reads oh yeah oh my god it is so great just watching them like co from the story to be
like all right we'll be back in a few minutes talking about this case of crooked mafia gambling uh but
also fan duel
but I think
that's sort of what Wyatt Earp is doing at the Farrow
table he's kind of like the Chauncey Billips
of the situation oh yeah oh look
you could go gamble with Wyatt Earp
exactly like it's a big celebrity
that you could come in I wouldn't want a fan duel
with him he's pretty good
yeah
oh that's like cowboy fantasy
camp dude is like you go there and it's like
you get to duel with Wyatt Earp himself
all right oh you could die
he'll shoot you dead
there's got to be something like that right there's got to be a thing
that exists right now no we're like
no no no no no no we're like fucking
loser dudes can go like live like a cowboy or whatever
and you're like shooting blanks and
whatever stuff
yeah like a lamer west world
now it's the time where we fuck each other
I didn't sign up for this
no women on the rain
buddy. Dana White
makes a scene at Cowboy Fantasy
King. I like
this like just the night at the bar
and you see him after he get the deeds or whatever.
There's definitely a moment
where he just gets a cup of coffee
at the bar and it's his place now
kind of. I was like, this is a Sam Malone move.
Give me that ceramic cup of coffee
while everyone's getting wasted around me.
Oh yeah. There's a moment later where he's just
like, you know, it's like after
hours and he goes and fills his beer up
again from the other side of the count
I thought it was pretty cool.
Dude, that's what you want, man.
Like, the dream of owning your own place
so you can go behind the bar
and just fill her up
on your own, absolutely. Nobody filled it
on the customer side. I thought
that was a pretty sharp move. Why waste
from around the... Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think this is when, like, the Cowboys start
roughing into his
stuff, like Powers Booth
is kind of wasted, right?
Him and Ringo, yeah. Him and Ringo come in.
This is like, and, you know, Doc is wasted.
this is a great, like, they're going back and forth.
One of my favorite reaction shots of this movie is when
Val Kilmer and Michael Bean start talking Latin to one another
and Bill Paxson, who doesn't have a ton to do in this movie,
just has this like, who, hey?
It's just like, it might as well be a dog starting to talk.
He's like, what?
Hey, Doc, did you just do, like, magic to him or something?
That's what kind of dog language?
Demon language.
he also refers to johnny wringo as the deadliest pistollier since wild bill they say
and then the whole should i hate him i think i hate him oh he's an educated man now i really
hate him because he speaks latin oh right yeah yeah yeah and then dude doc holiday just totally
embarrasses him right here because bean does all the like flipping my pistol around shit and then
doc holiday just doing it with his little booze cup oh man it to diffuse the
situation, it just sort of happens.
Powers Booth wins $500 at Pharaoh, and I'm like, aren't you a trillionaire?
Like, do you have more money than anyone in the world?
If it's $500 at 1880, God knows what?
Right.
I don't think we started calculating.
No, 1897, the end of the Civil War and the explosion.
No, not again.
Not again.
Sorry.
I don't think that we'd started calculating inflation yet, so I don't know how you'd figure that out.
but you're right, I think it's just $50 billion
dollars it turns into it.
The problem is that you're not really,
I don't think he's actually spending it
like thinking about what kind of amount
he is. He's mostly going in,
Power Spitzpillar is mostly just going into places
and throwing the wad of bills he has
in the air. Yeah.
Drinks are on me. And like,
that's how you went over a town, dude.
We'll just, we'll do that, but that was 500.
That was a trillion dollars you just threw at them for
what, what's going to end up being
maybe what, like 400 drinks?
maybe.
Big maybe, dude.
That's a lot of beers.
I think there's like 20 people in this town.
Yeah, I don't know even that.
But still, trillion dollars, steep price.
So, yeah, obviously they're, they're against
one another at this point.
Sure, yeah, yeah.
Here's a scene that could be cut when
Kurt Russell goes horse riding
with Dana Delaney here.
Like, this part of the movie
interests me the least, like whether or not
Wyatt will cheat on his wife.
Our horses are so horny.
it's not us you know let's ride it out
it's one of those things where
you can tell like in some version of the script
this was like a bigger part of the film
and
to my mind they should have realized in the edit
what this movie was which is sort of like
yeah it's like a bunch of dudes shooting guns
that's it yep yeah
there's the movie that's all anyone's buying
the ticket for honestly
it is more like modern
it's like more modern action in that like it is it is literally like a western for the time because it is a lot of gun porn like the way they show the peacemaker at the end when he fucking finally takes it out oh my i was like oh man oh yeah you might as well be shown his dick at this month you might as well be taken out big russell right there his dick is a gift from the citizens of dodge city in this movie like you know you get you get two yet two representations of dicks the guns and the mustaches and that's
absolutely that's that's pretty much it
if the scene with the if like
there'd been a shootout between the horses
then it would have been perfect
but you know sometimes a mustache is just
a mustache uh huh
yeah like they just kind of
go off and like she just
one of her big thing is like oh I want to spend the rest of my
life doing room service
and then like it's kind of great
because Russell like kind of gets a boner from her
and goes back to his drug piece of
shit wife and then he's like
so what if what if we got out of here and just
you know, I ordered rooms.
There's like, room service, the fuck you're talking about?
Yep, yep.
Can I get morphine from room service?
Do they got morphine there?
It is that classic thing that you see in movies and TV all the time
where the character, like, has a great time with someone who's not their spouse
and then tries to, like, recreate that spark with the spouse later and it blows up in their face.
Oh, God.
It's pretty fun.
What are you talking about?
We'll never live like that.
I mean, this movie is kind of like
Reefer Madness with this opium stuff
Because I think that's seen after this
Is Powers Booth in the Opium Dan
He takes a hit, boy, I feel great,
I feel just capital
And you just start shooting people randomly
Oh my God, it's awesome
Heroin notorious for making you want to shoot people
Yeah, exactly, not sleep.
You definitely want to walk.
That's what you want to do after you take heroin
is walk around, sure.
Okay.
He tries to shoot the moon down.
Which is not a bad idea for the time.
I think you would do that if you were high on opium.
That checks out.
Sure.
From a chair, though.
From a chair.
You're not getting up.
I'm going to get your cheese, you bastard.
He saw a bad guy with a gun on the moon and he wanted to stop him as a good guy with the moon.
Good guy with a gun.
on Earth. No, I think
you had it right. Only, only a good
moon with a, only a good moon with the moon can stop a bad moon with the
moon. That's true. I heard that. That's, what, the eclipse or something?
Hey, get away from there. I'm the only
one that could bring down a moon. Get out of there.
Oh, he did say lasso down the moon, right? That's right. Just like a cowboy.
God damn it.
There is a great, uh, when he's fighting off the gun and somebody's
like somebody's got to do something
and then somebody I think it's um is it
Beel interns or a be interns around here and he's like I believe
you're the sheriff. Yes. Yes. Well the sheriff's like no not me. This is a
town matter. Marshall which is the 70 year old man.
So he has to go out of hard reason. Harry Carey Jr. is this
old time right. This is one of my favorite deaths in the movie because he
does get the drop on drugged Paris booth. He's like just got to take
The gun, like, he's not even, I'm not even going to arrest you.
Just like, you got to give me your guns.
And he's like, I was just fun and Fred.
And he's got the guns upside down.
And he shoots this dude in the heart upside down.
It rules so hard.
It's awesome, dude.
And, you know, frankly, this old man should have seen it coming.
Come on.
How long have you been in business?
You know that these cowboys are out of control.
You can't just talk to this guy.
This guy doesn't give a shit about you.
No, you're dead.
It's curly.
It's the most notorious.
of the bunch. I'm sorry.
The guy's got the red sash.
He's got a shirt made of red satch for crying out loud.
Wyatt comes up at this point and just knocks him out totally cold and then all these dudes draw guns on him.
And I think doesn't he put, does he put his gun to Thomas Hayden Church's head?
And he's like, you better back off before I turn your head into a canoe.
The canoe is.
No, he does it to Ike.
Oh, Stephen Langues.
This is the Doc Holiday line where, because him and
Thomas Hayden Church were getting into it at the bar
a little bit. He's like, you're that drunk
piano player. You're probably seeing
double, which is, I do got
one, I got two guns, one for each
of them. Such an awesome
retort to that. Oh yeah, because he's
Kilmer, Doc Holliday
was playing like Chopin or something like
that and they had some, you know,
like he was playing piano, you see, and
Thomas Hayden Church wanted him to play piano.
That's a difference, yeah.
And that was a little bit of a difference there because
he's like, and you,
music lover, you're next.
He says to Thomas A.
Church. Why don't you
stop playing that, stop playing
that gay Chopin stuff and
play big baby bump
or whatever the big song is of the time?
Yeah, what would have been, what would have been
like the insufferable, play
this song of the 1870s?
Oh, uh, play some
salieri.
Yeah.
Dude, it'd be awesome if Thomas Aton
was just screaming for some salieri
in the saloon. Play the damn
birthday song.
Walk my
horse, the biggest hit of the nation.
I mean, you know, actually
as I'm picky, but it would have been like a minstrel
tune, you know? Yeah.
Right. Yeah, probably.
I love this scene because
Russell has his gun to Stephen Lang's
head and he's like, you know, you guys can rush me
but I'll put a bullet straight in your head.
And the other guy's like,
rush him and Stephen Lang's like, I think
he means it.
He's like, uh, maybe don't
do that. I don't
want my head turned into a canoe as
it turns out. And it's just
that's what I love about this movie. Not only
because I think that that's very important.
It's in the Billy Bob scene and I think Stephen
Lang gets it too. Like it's almost
like old wrestling the way that
these like dudes eat shit
by Kurt Russell and elevating
him as being cowards
or losers or whatever. And like
Stephen Lang plays such a cowardly
like dude that like
keeps running away
and it just makes
Russell look bigger
you know what I mean
like a wrestler just taking a move from a guy
oh he's a Stephen Lang's a total jobber
in this movie exactly he's just selling it for him
the way that he keeps on talking
I mean there's actually I mean
several characters say it they're like
oh don't listen to he's just talking
like yeah that's like exactly like
they're just like building each other up and talking
all this trash to one another nonstop
And, like, fucking Ike, the Stephen Lane's character, talks trash so much.
They actually follow up with him at the end.
Yes.
All the Earps and Ike.
It's up and really?
I don't care about it.
I think that Ike makes the end what happened to everybody because the way that the movie leaves it,
you don't see what happens to him because, like, he throws down his gang colors while they're chasing him on the horse.
And he's like, I quit.
I'm not the gang anymore.
off and then you don't see them do
anything to him. But that's like
at the end of the rock like
if more people survive, I wouldn't
like Ed Harris is dead. David Morris
is dead. Like I don't care what happened to
Bocheme Woodbine. Like I don't care
like whatever his thing was. It doesn't
matter to me. Like it's
whatever but it was funny to me. First of all
I care about what happens to Bocheme Woodbine
in any movie because that dude fucking
rock's ass. He's very good
in it. So to
because there's no law and order, even though
the what do you call it there the the irp boys are making a killing uh wouldn't you know it both
virgil and morgan sign up for the law and it pisses wyatt this is right this like uh wyatt's not
irp they're all erp uh Wyatt is off good to seeing uh john's uh judge spencer uh and the judge says
you can't have a murder without a witness because he came outside the saloon after this guy
was shot so yeah case is dismissed he gets back to town virgil's
hanging up all these gun control
signs. Right. And you see
what Virgil's inspiration is, right? Because he
walks out one afternoon and a bunch of the cowboys
ride down the street firing wildly and they almost
run over a boy in the street and like don't even
give a shit. Don't even try to like get out of the way.
Virgil saves him and like as he gives him back to the mother, you can see
Sam Elliott like, sheesh, I think this town does here need some strong
law in order. Do you think that there was like a must
mustache round robin like basically like Kurt Russell's like you know what all the mustache is
gonna be real I'm gonna call Val and Val called you know what I mean Val called Stephen Lang and like
you know everybody called everybody and then they're like should we call Sam Elliott like
in that one in jumping dash flash I don't think he has a mustache I don't like should we bother
him like uh or no I think you're thinking of uh does is he's mustacheless and fatal beauty
okay that's what it is thinking of the wrong whoopie
movie, yeah.
Previous episode, I think.
I think he is hairless in that, yeah.
Do we want, I don't want to bother you at home, Sam, but for the movie, if you could keep
them, of course I'll keep my mercy.
Yeah, I'll bring my left leg too.
Like, I don't know.
What else I'm going to bring on shit?
No, no, I just did that as a favorite of whoopee.
Whoopee.
I just, I had, you know, we had a very, we had a French.
Me and whoopee, we love each other.
It is kind of amazing that Sam Elliott,
the most mustached man in the world is, you know.
It's the only time Sam Elliott's been in a movie
where his mustache has stiff competition.
It does.
It blends in.
I don't know.
Like,
Labowski,
ain't nobody got nothing on that.
You know,
but like in this movie where like almost every character in the film has a mustache,
he must have been looking like,
oh, man,
hope nobody's got a cooler mustache than me on the set of this here picture.
No, no problem.
Don't worry about that.
But, yeah, why it's all pissed off that they have joined the law.
And, you know, he's like, same alley, he's like,
these peer people are afraid to walk the streets.
And so we have to come out of retirement, all three of us, you see.
This is why you don't move in with family,
because then all of a sudden, all the shit starts coming up.
And you're just like, man, I didn't sign on for any of this.
Yeah.
You all have to turn each other's keys at the same time.
It's really annoying.
I came here to retire in Arizona.
at least a hundred years before other Americans started doing that on the reg, okay?
I just want a quiet life now, but now they pull them back in.
Waiting for my wife to die of a laudanum overdose and just have a nice life for the rest of, you know,
left of my days.
Virgil, I'm 33 years old.
I need to enjoy the last years of my life.
I mean, that's the funny thing about this is all these guys in real life were about like 30 something years old.
Sam Elliott is like what
50 in this movie
I think the
if the trivia is to be believed
the guy who Harry Carey Jr. plays
who Harry Kerry Jr. is like
75 in this movie
was like in his early 30s
like the actual historical
which is no one saw 70
in the in the 1880s
but that's adjusting
for adjusting his age for inflation
at 31
he would be about 72.
right uh we get one of the one of the scenes here we are first uh made a little more uh officially
hip to what doc holidays uh health conditions are like um bill paxton says that holiday has been in
their bar playing cards for 36 hours straight uh and there's a great uh dal kilver going to i've not
yet begun to defile myself he's also wasted right he's totally wasted but you i mean the makeup job
that they do on Kilmer in this movie is awesome.
Like,
phenomenal.
He looks like he's a ghost the entire time, you know.
Like a vampire bit him, yeah.
Yes, yeah, exactly.
And this is a great,
he's playing cards with Stephen.
Like,
that's what is so fascinating about the,
like the ecosystem of this town.
Like,
all these dudes fucking hate each other and whatever else.
But they will get together to gamble.
They will still play cards together
because in that moment,
you could still kill someone.
You know,
fingers crossed,
you can still kill someone.
What else is there to do?
There's like,
what, 50 books, maybe
tops? I don't think we,
did we get to 50 yet?
Maybe, I think maybe 50.
If you take the ones that got imported
as well, you know, the whole bunch of them.
I think there's 50 books.
About 50 at the time.
So then it's that and gambling
essentially. Sure.
Yeah. Have fun.
Stephen Lang as like here, he gets pissed off
because Holiday has won 12
hands in a row and nobody's that
lucky. And like, yeah,
Accusing someone of cheating at a card game in the Old West is like death penalty kind of like if you were wrong, you are getting the death penalty.
But also Doc Holliday loves to fucking cheat and his death and probably was.
But like, who cares? It's Doc Holliday and he got away with it and you're, you know, you're you're folding.
Like when you start talking like, I'm going to shoot you.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
Like you've already lost.
You've done it already.
Maybe poker's just not your game.
I know let's have a spelling.
Oh, dude, that is an awesome quip
Stephen Lang gets really raw
and he's got these weird lines to like
Virgil there, Sam Elliott, about like how cut his
pimp heart out. Yeah. Oh, right, yeah. They accuse
the brothers of being like the pimps of the town because now they're just
going around like making money and telling people what to do and whatever.
Which is probably close to correct. I'll cut your pimp heart out.
That actually sounds kind of cool.
That dude has a pimp heart.
That sounds like the title of a movie that came out in 1977.
Yeah.
Pimp heart.
Pimp heart is like black braveheart from 1970.
Oh my God.
Black exploitation, Braveheart would be fantastic.
I would 100% watch that.
Absolutely.
But I'm also just picturing like a heart with like sunglasses and a big.
Oh, I see.
That also works.
also works, yeah.
You know.
Also, the very weird, you know, I don't know if this is an anachronism or not.
Weird that Pimp was around then?
I mean, I don't know how long the word Pimp has been in rotation.
Yeah, probably, right?
I mean, they were brothels and whatnot.
Yeah, yeah.
Constitians, the oldest profession.
There must have probably been PIMPs.
Well, pimps probably the second oldest profession.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There you go.
Well, third, the second will be John.
I guess. Somebody needs...
Yeah, sure.
Oh, a professional job?
Pims, people who
observe the Pimpin ain't easy is the fourth
job.
Sure is fun.
But yeah,
Sam Elliott arrests Ike here
because he's wasted and he's like,
if I see him in town, I'm going to kill him, he's got a shotgun or
whatever, and he just knocks him out.
It's like, you're now arrested
because you were, you know, drunken disorderly.
And this is when why it's like,
dude, you are just making this
thing into a...
You are going to make...
We're going to have the most famous gunfight in five minutes
because you're being an asshole right now.
Which is weird because, like,
when the shit hits the fan in this movie,
somehow the entire family turns it on Wyatt Earp.
And I was like, but he's the Earp that just wanted to stay retired.
You motherfuckers dug up the Baba Yaga, not him.
But Virgil has some like, well, you brought us here.
Yeah, exactly.
There you go. It's your fault.
What you expect us to do, we're going to kill people.
I think it's because they assume
If Wyatt had just been a man
And taken the fucking job from the first place
And killed all these people
In the time sense
Like we wouldn't have to deal with this
You would have already killed I just took the badge
And then what decided to indiscriminately slaughtered them
We wouldn't be in this position
But yes it looks like
They let I go
And then like his gang is basically
they're talking shit
to Doc Holiday right here
like everybody
who's the little weiner
that goes up right here
and Kurt Russell
like he draws his gun on Kurt Russell
and Kurt Russell pulls it out of his hand
and hits him in the head with it
Oh that's pretty great
He's just one of the other guys
One of these dudes
You got a fight coming to you
They basically leave it with
Yeah it's like this ain't over
Kind of a deal or whatever
And then meanwhile we have the doctor
sort of diagnosing Doc Holiday
saying he's got to rest it up
you know stop the booze
stop the gambling, stop staying
out all night, and curb
his marital
tendencies, I think is the way the doctor
puts it. And I also
like the line that he's got two days or two years
were in between the
nose. Is he a veterinarian?
Jesus Christ, it's something he said about my cat.
Like, I don't know, maybe
tomorrow or maybe in 15 years. I don't know.
You tell me. But I would wager a vet
today would be more talented than an
Old West doctor.
Probably.
Yeah, yeah. I'd gather.
that but i mean it's just it's just more proof
that even you know in the old west american
health care was fucking terrible dude
there is the great thing though where he's like
when he says to him like you have to curb
your marital tendencies that's the point
where he goes get out of my side
he just kicks the doctor and then
she comes in his uh
joanna peculiar i think her name is
uh playing kate his girlfriend
or whatever his partner
puts a cigarette in his mouth and just starts
he's like you might just be the
antichrist holy shit
Oh, it's so good, yeah.
We must redefine the nature of our association.
And then this is where she's pulling his pants down.
Yes, and that smelly dick comes out, dude.
Oh, man, yeah.
Yikes.
But so they see the problem is growing.
This is a great Sam Elliott when he watches the Cowboys riding it down.
He's like, see, you moron, now they're six of them.
They're growing like rabbits now.
And this is why it has his line,
guess you better swear me in.
like here we go dude
time to defend
the law I guess
okay fine I'll kill all the
cowboys fine all right
I'll do it Jesus
we get to the okay
corral here probably one of the bigger
remembered scenes in the movie
question about the shot of
the boys walking over to the okay
corral why is that
barn on fire aside from just looking
totally badass
maybe maybe they said it
on fire because of that. Listen, we got to look cool as hell.
It's important for us to look like we are the coolest motherfuckers on the planet.
So someone set a barred on fire.
I like that reasoning.
I also like the idea because the shitty sheriff that we met at the very beginning,
the one who's crooked, he's also the head of the fire department.
Oh, right.
I like that he's just like, I have to, I went to cowboys.
I mean, I kind of have to be there.
Sorry.
The fire's got to go.
Fire's got to keep going.
They get there.
Ike is doing this old west thing that I almost want to bring back, but I know it would be disgusting.
But like, just having a big bucket in the street you can dunk your head in.
It just seems so relaxing.
You can't get street buckets to dunk your head in.
No.
Jamel are you pro or anti-bucket in the street?
You know, when Eric says street bucket, it makes it sound like it's full of cum, so I'm anti-com.
Yep.
It's going to be full of something you don't want to put your head in.
Oh, exactly.
Come, cigarette butts, you know, a sandwich wrapper.
Everything together is called a street goulash.
Oh, I love that.
Mix it up.
I would say, Steve, you'd have to bring your own bucket and then take it home with you.
You could boot on the street.
That's sort of a performance art thing you're doing.
Well, you know, we kind of have it now.
It's trendy with people who have, like, back porches and, you know, property to put things on.
But those ice plunge tubs, that's kind of just, because what he's doing there is trying to, like, shake off a hangover, like he's dunking his head in the barrel or whatever.
So it's kind of that. You just wouldn't get in it all the way, Steve. So you could buy one and then you just use it for your face only.
I guess you'd be like, hey, I got next. I guess that's kind of gross. Like, you know, like your buddy dunks. And then you're like, can I get dunked?
Remember, you can't just refresh that water that easily. That water, that street bucket, we're all drinking tonight, probably.
Also, yeah, you're going to need the bucket the morning.
You want a house bucket, Steve.
You don't want, that's when you're going to need it the most is when you wake up the next morning.
So get yourself a house bucket and it won't be disgusting and full of, I guess, come as Eric is telling us.
I don't know.
I did not suggest that.
Get yourself a house bucket, by the way.
A house bucket.
It's easy enough.
Got a bucket for the house.
Got a bucket for the car.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Yes.
The shootout starts. It's so good.
I love Virgil here, though. This is great.
Sam Elliott fucking rifle drawn.
He's like, this is not what I want.
Don't make me do this.
Classic old text.
I'm going to kill you, but I'm so not into it.
Pay no attention to my boner.
Yeah, I can say.
I am not hard as a rock right now.
I am really sad about doing the thing I've done my entire life.
I have created every circumstance that has led us to this,
but I am so sorry that this is where we are, man.
So sorry.
Thoughts and prayers and whatnot.
Dude,
Thomas Hayton Church getting lit the fuck up right here is really good.
I texted Steve about this.
I was like,
it was like 10.30 in the morning and I watched this.
I'm like,
holy shit.
This is the great.
He gets shot once and then Doc Holliday just sort of like unloads.
And it's like,
Because he's doing the cool, like, hitting the hammer of the pistol so he can rapid fire it.
God damn it's cool.
It's sunny Corleone-esque the way he gets fucking.
It is because I think it's Doc Holiday.
And I think Morgan Paxton's character, I think, is getting in on it too.
So he's really kind of getting it because, like, that's what you, that's what you want to see when the shoulders have to go back and forth because there's multiple points of attack happening at once.
Oh, yeah.
And even this.
Even this.
Another just incredible
humiliation.
To be shot down like a dog
with two by two people, Thomas Ayn Church.
Disgusting, pathetic.
Pretty awesome.
Ike runs away like a coward.
There's a great Kurt Russell thing because like,
Ike starts begging for his life.
And then Kurt Russell's like,
I joined the fighter.
Get the fuck out of the way or something.
He's just like,
the mustache is talking there.
It's great.
This is the mustache talking now.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, if you, if you watch the DVD, they have the extras where the mustaches gather together and discuss the performances.
Oh, yeah, dude, the mustachement, Terry?
Oh, you didn't get a broom every day?
Oh, I got a nice, I got a nice combing every day.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Kurt's got a guy for that.
He treats me real nice.
His name's Isaac.
That was a bristly commentary trail.
Oh, nice.
Oh, look at that.
Great Doc Holiday line, because the other, I think, uh, we.
Which dude is this now? There's so many fucking dudes.
Whatever dude is surviving right here, the guy that gets shot in the head where he's like...
I think that's John Burke. I think that's...
This is Robert John Burke where he's like...
Yeah. He's got the gun on Val Kilmer and he's like, I got you or whatever.
And he's like, you're a daisy if you do.
It's fucking awesome.
And then Paxson just shoots him in the head. Pretty great.
But yeah, now we're upset about...
Because Ike and Thomas Hayden Churchwork Brothers, so that's a big deal.
deal you know what I mean
I do love the old West
funeral we get to see here that I'm all
done up it's pretty dope
oh dude yeah where they've got like
mime makeup on for some reason
like these are some rosy ass
cheeks this guy's got like it's
Thomas Hayden Church is the first one you see and yeah
it's like this weird like the glass top
coffin and he's just got like
all like he looks like
like fucking let them eat cake
like French Revolutionary times
like it's just this white
cake all over his face
and then just like these red it's like he's
in like the fucking like a
nutcracker production or something it's very
weird looking I like it I like the little
gloves on and everything it's wonderful
dude but this is so funny because it's like
fafo motherfucker you fucked around and found out
and these these fucking cowboy
babies are going through the street through funeral
with the big sign oh we were
murdered on the streets of tombstone
well why do you think that happened
come on with that sign.
It's just so funny to be such a badass gang
and then suddenly have this demonstration.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That never happens.
People acting like this all of a sudden playing victim.
Boy, that never happens.
You know what?
It's too realistic.
It took me out of the movie.
I was thinking of modern times.
Yeah, it was like,
fuck, how did the news turn on?
What is happening here?
And I think at this point, basically,
like, there's going to be a night
where everyone's going to get retribution
and I think another deleted scene
I think at this point
Wyatt and Dana Dana are at least
fucking a little bit because like
someone goes up to Dana Delaney
like oh your boyfriend's in trouble and she
has to like go all the way to Maddie's
house and be like I think everyone's
I know I'm the last person you want to see him
like they don't know each other you know what I mean
you're totally right
I think also I mean deleted scenes
of plenty I think like Priestley must have been
a way bigger character
because around here like the Earp boys are just sort of like
walking down the street and they see
Priestley and I was like oh cool here's where like
there might be some more Jason Priestley scenes
and he's literally like yeah you guys
don't talk to me you killed my friends
I'm out of here and he just like runs away
I was like that is the most Brandon Wall
shit this character
could have done in this movie it is I mean
I watched the trailer and like Jason
Priestley gets such prime real estate
they were trying to get I just would love to watch
like the 13 year old girl that watched this movie
and it was like you've got to be fucking
kidding me
He's barely in it.
Yeah, this is a dad for noon.
But he was so good.
When he touched Billy Zane's hand,
it was electric.
But yeah, they try, the cowboys send people over
to kill the women, but that doesn't really work out.
And like, this is when I believe Bill Pat.
That's right.
Sam Elliott gets shot here and walks in to the bar,
like a bleeding, which is kind of,
nobody notices, which is kind of great.
Yeah, this scene,
think has some of the best, like this whole sequence has some of the best, like, mood
that the movie is able to create because this is where, like, I mean, it's maybe a little
on the nose, but I think it's very effective. Like, a storm is literally rolling in, you know,
the really great, like, a lot of it was apparently like some real lightning that they were
able to film and everything like that. And it's just this weird, like, they know it's going to
be a weird night. Like, Sam Elliott, I think the sequence starts with him being like,
gonna be one of those nights or something like that. And it's like, uh, Wyatt and Morgan are
just, like, eating Chinese food.
All of a sudden, this dog is here.
Never saw this dog before this scene.
Great dog, yeah.
He's awesome.
This old, like, beagle or whatever.
It's the West dogs wander in, wander out.
It's not really locking doors.
But this dog looks like he's dealing at the Farrow table now.
I don't know.
It might be.
I thought they deal poker.
Oh, yes.
Usually, yeah.
Yeah, I'll work at your casino.
I can only deal poker, though.
I mean, I think this scene and the scene when Paxton is
they're trying to save his life
a little bit later. It works because
I mean the core, the relationships that work
best is the Earp brothers. Like they
really did work on those relationships
and made it so that those matters
so that when Paxton and Elliot
and fucking Russell get together
it feels really immense.
Like there is this really big powerful feeling
from it all that you don't get from
as much from like Ringo and Curley.
I wish. Jesus.
This is kind of like a great sort of cementing
of the, I mean not that it really wasn't
before I guess but like of what the brother like structure is because when Sam Elliott walks back
into the bar he's like the older brother calling for help for the middle guy you know why and then
he just like falls over yeah but first it's like Virgil what did you forget and then they
notice he's bleeding yes yeah exactly you know which is that's always the worst like when something
bad has happened and you haven't been made hip to it yet and then you make like a sort of related
quip and then it's like well you know the reason that happened was and you're like oh
wish i didn't make that quip after all yeah that'll happen
by this time we had that scene with johnny ring johnny wringo got drunk at the funeral
for these guys the demonstration there there's that threat of violence and we get the i'm your
huckleberry that's just my game play for blood which will yeah coming soon you get to do it like
i want your blood i want your souls which is pretty cool for michael bean here
Michael Bean is fantastic in this movie.
We need this dude playing
I think after Terminator
it was like and also aliens
I'm playing this like
romantic hero guy kind of a deal
yeah military definitely but like
in this movie I was like oh no
he's actually really good
almost I would maybe argue
better at playing like
a sinister villain kind of character
he's terrifying in this movie
it's great malevolence is really really
suits him and I think he
I kind of wish we got more of him
and understood him more like I
I like that I like I like that
he's just the guy who's drunk and says I want to take
your soul that's also cool
but I I did I found
myself especially since I found
Curley's death so anti-climactic
I was like I was like I kind
of wanted Ringo to matter more when
the showdown happens and I'm like
he's cool and he's got the attitude and everything
but I don't know who this guy is at all
I don't you're right he's also
clearly smarter than
Hurley, right?
Yeah. So it's like
why
there's too
much of a good thing in this movie.
I mean, Power's Booth is great. I wouldn't want to get rid of him.
I wouldn't want to get rid of Michael Bean,
but you could have made that
the same character if you...
I'm sure if you were to take all the footage
on the cutting room floor, there's a version
of the Ringo character who is much
more what I think he seems like, which is almost
like an actual malevolent force
that almost doesn't belong
right sort of like he's sort of he's
he's too smart he's too evil
right right you know
Curley Curley's just sort of a jackass
who like likes a kill
but like he's not he's not
you know he's he's just there to plunder
but like Ringo actually seems like
oh this is this isn't evil force like there's
my favorite line in the film is when
towards the end
when Kurt Russell was trying to
he's speaking with
Valcomer who's bed red
and he's like, why, why is Ringo like this?
And Doc Holliday says he wants to get revenge and, and writer was like, for what?
For being born?
Which is just like, it's a genuinely disturbing idea.
Like, for real is like a disturbing idea that someone is so angry at existence that they just want to kill and destroy until they can't anymore.
And like, there's a version of this movie where, where they, were they, where they really?
really emphasize that for Ringo that this is like you know this is a blackhearted maniac yeah you know
it's funny because I in my notes I wrote down that I related to this line which is probably
not a good thing I thought I thought of you I didn't ask to be born okay yeah I don't I don't
like it but I think Jamel to your point there's definitely some alternate universe where like
in this movie you have all of these cutaways back to the cowboy gang and you
you see them like doing some some dastardly stuff and you're like oh yeah that guy is a true vessel
for evil and it sort of fits more in the movie but as the movie is the amount of violence
that you see just appears to be regular old old west violence and not like maniac shit but
this guy this character can get up to some maniac shit and uh sam elliott is uh struggling with
the the bullet in his arm he's going to lose the whatever the use of his arm uh his wife wife is not
happy about it.
Morgan can't handle it.
Your finger and arm! No!
Oh, no!
You can go the other way with that stuff, God.
I'm going to have to learn. I'm going to have to learn.
You're talking about playing guitar, right?
Sure.
I'm sorry, but his mustache won't survive.
You got, no, kill me. Kill me.
Kill me.
Take me out to the outside bucket and drown me in it right now.
The must
just on his face
Oh, they have to amputate it
Oh, dude, it's just screaming
As it gets like shaved off
Oh no, we're going to have to send you to
The Barber
No
It's like the shoe in the dip
Yeah, no
Not to interrupt
I recently rewatch that movie
Which a movie I love
And the shoe going into the dip
Is genuinely one of the most
disturbing movie murders I've ever
seen in my life. Yeah. That shoe is
begging for his life.
Yes. And I would argue
here's what makes it creepier too is
the way that it's drawn. So like the way that it looks and it's
like squeaky noises it's making. That's like
it's like you're watching a little child
to be melted. Yes. It's not like here's
Mr. Shoe with Mrs. Shoe and baby shoes. It just
appears to be like oh it's like a little kid or like a
like a puppy kind of
You know, you're dunking this innocent thing.
Oh, it's horrifying.
Well, the weird thing about that shoe, I don't think it knew what death was that morning.
But it certainly is aware of it right now.
Oh, yeah.
And pain?
Do you think a new pain was?
Where's the deleted scene in Roger Rabbit where they inform that shoes, the other half of the pair of shoes would happen?
And then that dude's like, that just dip me.
Dit me also.
What am I going to do?
I'm just one shoe now.
Dit me.
sad story
but yeah so
this is when
Bill Pax's
shot in the back here too
God this guy's just trying to play pool
in the middle of the night
and he just gets fucking popped
through a window
yeah very cowardly here
it's a very sad emotional scene
because like they can't operate on him
in the pool hall
and Kurt Russell
the dog is barking
and he just gets dad mad at it
he's like get that dog out of here
you know what I'm somebody
get that goddamn dog out of here
which I think I've heard
my father scream at least a half
dozen times. So I know
I know as a person here with
children I have said get that dog out of
here before. He's going to the
mouth. And
the other thing I thought of
is a Chappelle show skit
you know back when Chappelle was in the chud
when
it's sort of like what if
the white executive got treated
like a drug dealer and a cop
burst into his apartment and scream,
shut that fucking dog up.
and then shoots a golden retriever.
That's what's in my head.
Oh, God.
That show, you know,
that guy really used to be something.
Sure did.
Block party.
Phenomenal movie.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Great movie.
Oh, my God.
He gets,
this is a scene that doesn't work so great.
Like,
he's covered in his brother's blood
and he goes in the rain.
And, like, I can see the drama,
but like, dated Delaney's like,
what?
He's like, get away from me.
everybody's a little much maybe i dug on it man because i love this moment of like both
both avenues of his life uh uh a fall apart right here right his strung out wife is just like
i don't want anything to do with this because you were looking at the other woman on the other side
of the street who he also like shoes away so it's like established life not right now
possible future life also not right now and he's just alone in this moment and like the theatricality
of it and like him in the rain really good fake rain here i have to say i like i like this moment
i think this moment actually gets to something or the entire sequence gets something that i find just
a little bit frustrating about the film which is that it it is such a theatrical movie and such
like a like a bombastic movie that there opportunity it misses opportunities to be like a little
more bombastic and so you don't see who shoots the bill paxton character but if if i were
directing, right? You would have gotten like a close
up of like one of the goons going
just to let you know who did it
but also just to add to the kind of like
unreality of the whole thing.
Well, that's, yes, yes. You're missing
and I'm sorry, like an author's voice
that like you have it's it's part
the first the writer and then it's Cosmetus
and then it's also Russell and like
there's just no like voice to center.
If Sam Ramey had gotten a
hold of this fucking thing do a
the Quick the Dead style, but do it on Tombstone,
we might have had something here.
We might have had something.
Is Quick in the Dead the same year as this movie?
Are they both 93?
Oh, might be.
Yeah.
Is that right?
I love that movie.
Me too.
Jesus Christ.
It's 95.
95 also stacked.
The first time I saw it, I was like,
you're telling me that they made Mortal Kombat in the Old West.
Yes.
Yes, they did.
They did it.
Me and my brother would stay up late watching Quick in the Dead,
and we repeat, like, creepy, like, not even a line from it.
There's that one guy, you might remember where he's just like,
peo, pew, pew, pew, phew.
Like, that's his taunt.
He's like a dirty guy that goes, phew, phew.
You guys would do that to each other?
Yes, in the night.
Yeah, in the dead of night, you'd hear that.
I want to mail both Quicken the Dead and New Jack City to my fat self as a kid,
because I didn't watch them as a kid.
I watched them both things in the last year, and I'm like,
where the fuck why didn't i watch these movies they're so great and they're so
exactly what i was watching but not that right new jack city is a movie that i feel like is
underrated these days yes it is it is people you know and i feel like part of that is because
like there hasn't been any kind of like a release that comes out to like sell it like a like
a criterion kind of thing or some boutique place putting it out you know what i mean like
it's just kind of fallen by the wayside but like god damn that's a fucking that that movie has one
of the greatest, like, openings
of all time. Like, Wesley
just dangling that dude off the
fucking 59th Street bridge. It's
so good. I am
surprised somebody has put, like, a big, nice
4K set out of that one, because
it earned it 100%.
I didn't even notice this until you
said 95, fucking
Sharon Stone did Quicken the Dead
and Casino in the same fucking year?
What that's not saying? Why isn't she
on fucking Mount Rushmore? Just fucking do it.
I'm fucking done with this shit.
Get her over there.
But so he's, they're all dead.
They're all dead.
I want to say, think about the Paxton scene, which is honestly like kind of hard to watch
because that's a guy that should a thousand percent still be alive in real life.
So it's, it sucks to watch this kind of like very realistic death scene.
But it is a great note.
Because earlier in the film, he talks about how he read this book and he's like getting kind of spiritual.
He's like, oh, Wyatt, do you know some people say like when you're going to die?
you see this white light that you're supposed to go into and whatever and he says it's bullshit and he's
like oh come on Wyatt like open your mind or whatever so then we cut to this scene he's on the pool
table and he's like hey uh Wyatt remember that stuff I told you about the light and he's like oh yeah
yeah I can't see a damn thing oh yeah and he just dies and I have to tell you this is the
hell the first of two really good death rattles in this movie Paxton has one and then awkwardly
so does Kilmer.
Very weird.
This is a movie that believes your soul leaves your body through your mouth.
And that's, you know what I mean?
It's a important thing for a movie to decide.
You want to tell the foliarist that?
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, listen, the soul will be leaving loudly through the mouth.
Well, if you dunked your head in a street bucket, I think that would happen to you too.
It's kind of great because this is when, like, why it looks defeated.
he's got, you know, Morgan at a casket.
He's on a sad little cart, you know, wheeled his brother out.
His hair's even, like, done differently.
He has, like, a sad hair brushing in this scene.
We should quickly mention that Michael Rooker at this point has turned on the cowboy gang and is now part of the crew.
Oh, right. Yeah, Michael Rooker and two other guys, which I think are just like, they wind up.
It's kind of weird how, like, these guys aren't really characterized all that much, yet at the end of the movie, like, they're part of why it's newly.
formed crew. I'll tell you why, because
they did take special
time to introduce these two guys
at the beginning when they first come to town
the two guys that they talked to
who explained the gun stuff.
That's them. That's them.
And I think they're Texas Jack for a million
and Creek Jack Johnson,
not Jack Johnson, the surf
musician. Oh, dude, I was wondering
why this cowboy didn't have a pukeshell necklace
on. I was like, what the hell's going on here?
I haven't thought of that guy
in 20 years.
well streak broken yeah you haven't been doing Abercrombie and Fitch in a while dude you gotta go walk in there
hear it are those no those stores still aren't around are they they're kind of back actually
abercram wasn't there that there was a documentary about like the downfall of them it was and then
I think that probably might have spurred them to come back or something oh because it was a
down it was a downfall relating to like racism which like you can come back from that in this
country no problem well it's too big to fail Abercrombie and Fitch is too big to fail so
but this is the whale
Ba which is fantastic
Oh man
And it's just it's all a ropeadoke
Because uh you know
They're
You know
Powers Booth tells them to finish it at the train station
And you think that they're back
Take Stilwell and finish it
Wouldn't you send Johnny Ringo for this?
You know what I mean? Like come on
Yeah I don't know you're sending fucking Stillwell dude
Come on
No you need the heavy hitters for this
And it once and for all
And Ike gets
Stillwell gets shot in the back
here comes Wyatt and he
well it's the great
where's Wyatt right
behind you still well
I can shoot him
it's awesome Virgil's in the train with the women
going away and that he was going to get shot
in the train window there
yeah so and then Ike
again drops is gone
sweet Jesus don't shoot he's always saying
he's always getting through
you know it's yeah Wyatt
you shouldn't have let him do it you should
just execute people in the street is the lesson
that is the lesson.
Come on now.
This move of like he takes his gun from him
but then like the weird
it looks like he's going to kick him
but then he turns his foot and cuts his face
with the spur of his boot.
So cool.
Dude, I don't think I've ever seen that in a Western
before.
Very intimate.
The tell him I'm coming
and hell's coming with me.
Oh.
How do you not get chills listening to that?
I see a red sash.
I kill the man wearing it.
I think it is powerful that you see that.
And in the background, you see them strapping down Maddie's
ginormous laudanum bottle to the top of the train
so that it will make the journey.
It's like when you fucking win the big football game
and you've got the Gatorade of Coolers,
she's just getting laudanum bottle.
It is kind of great because at the end of the movie,
Robert Mitchell, does this post script.
One of it was like, one of the first things,
yeah, well, Maddie had an overdose like two days after she left tombstone,
you know.
Frankly, I feel like they could have probably
cut back to that in the movie and
showed you all, but I hear the
narrator will just tell you instead.
I guess she's not a character. That's fine.
So we got our first
montage here of
these dudes just go around, this new gang
going around, taking out the cowboy gang,
some great kills here.
Dude, Rooker
hits a guy in the face with like the butt of a rifle.
Dude, some good blood spatter right there on that shot.
Rooker with this 90s wrestling hair
he's got on of this movie. It's like long
curly, like almost a mullet
but not really.
I kind of want, just because it's
been built up so much how much
fucking Wyatt Earp hates killing
and hates being like this. I do kind of
when this montage hits, I do
kind of want the Madonna, back in
business and ain't it
crap.
This is kind of
the part of the movie where like somebody's like
all right, wrap it up. You know what I mean?
like we're just going to start moving it on.
And I mean, the montages are great.
There's this, the opium den one where this guy's trying to hit the pipe, but it's
Earp's pistol and they just shoots them through the mouth.
I mean, these, these are, they're so funny.
Like all of these, they're like almost topical in how, in how, like, aggressive they are.
It's so good.
Like this dude, like, yeah, he's like, he's so strung out or whatever.
His eyes are closed.
He's just sucking on this pistol barrel.
Oh, man.
Now you almost want, like, someone's like, oh, happy Mother's Day, Ma.
Here's a box of chocolates.
the mother rips a wig off
and shoots him in the land.
Like that kind of level.
Yeah, yeah. Someone
someone like litters
litters in the middle of the street,
a Wyatt Earp like shows up like out of the dirt
and then like pops him in the head.
Yes,
the extreme of the Earp gang policing here.
I'd fucking love it.
Some dude is riding a horse he gets off of it
and it turns out it's Doc Holiday and a wig
and it just shoots him.
Why is this horse so moist and pale?
And then the horse is,
And then the horse is two guys put together.
They have guns as well.
Oh, man.
So we get to this moment where we get to this like river and Curley's got them all surrounded here.
This is where it's a moment in the movie of theatricality that did not work for me.
It's like, Powers Booth is like, all right, we got you surrounded.
What are you going to do about this?
And then you can just got this Kurt Russell.
No.
Yes.
It's like it's like
N and then like
27 O's as he slow motion walks
Like like fucking Neo in the matrix
All these bullets are going past him
Part of the legend right
That he never got hit with a bullet or something
Never grazed yeah
Well I think the movie is breaking
I think they're like well this movie
We don't know what to do anymore so
No
No
No
This is where
my big fat Greek wedding and sex in the city's
John Corbett gets got right here
he's another dude that's just in this movie added to the tally
of dudes in this movie. We didn't even talk about
Terry O'Quinn the mayor. Yes. Yes. Oh, right. Yeah.
Yes. Beautiful man. Right. Terry O'Quinn is the one who
he puts him on blast when they're like, no, we just enjoy
playing snooker and hanging out making all this money. And he's like, you're making all this
money off these people from this town
who are fucking terrified to live in this town
glad you guys are doing so well
and Sam Elliott like man
that was a total deuce chittle but I think
the mayor's got a point. He might
be an urp. Is he a secret erp you
think? Because he's talking like one.
Secret herb. There is
this is what Billy Zane is
dead and you see like Dana Delaney
like he was too beautiful for this world kind of
a thing like the cowboys kind of feel bad
about it. You know what I mean? Yeah
your friends that did this. He tried to
bring something fine into your ugly world
and you shot him for it.
Not that you care.
I like that Henry the fifth man.
Why'd you have to put a bullet in him, geech?
Why'd you kill Henry the fifth?
Why couldn't you kill that guy who was juggling?
That was stupid.
Nobody cares about the juggling man.
If I cared about Henry.
They didn't shoot the juggler.
Oh, yes.
They did.
So then this is what Jason Priestley quits the gang.
awkward line of
there's got to be some law
and rides out of the movie
and again those two 16 year old girls like
I don't think he's coming back
I think that that was it and I don't
I don't think Luke Perry's going to be in this at all
and I didn't see Brian Austin Green yet
is he in it? Hey Sarah let's leave
but you girls keep it down
I'm a 50 year old man
I think it makes me flash to the
scene in Clueless when shares
like well I'm a Mel Gipp
fan and so I know Hamlet
and yeah
there's a great doc holiday moment here
I think it's where
I think Rooker is like
like what are you doing this for
whatever and he's like oh because
Wyatt Earp is my friend and I don't
have a lot of friends like Kilmer
man he just has these lines of this movie
that just really cut deep
sometimes and that it's just like
oh like you really felt for him in that moment
it's a great like back and forth because like it's like
you know why are you doing this
it's like well why it's my friend is like
I got lots of friends like well I don't
and that's like that's so
and he also even starts that scene
but like what's why I do is like oh he's down by
the creek walking on water
oh man I love it weird thing
here where there's there's spying across the way
here the cowboy gang's coming at him
and this is like you realize how crooked
being is this is some fucking ice recruitment
shit dude like I think it's a
a rooker again he's like
appears to be about 30 of them
and they're all wearing badges
like being fucking deputized
all of these gangsters
so that if they killed somebody
it was well within their right to do so
unbelievable
this is when Doc Holliday
fall sick they have to go to
Charlton Heston's house
and Trump Heston's eyebrows house
the dye on the
eyebrows is really something
they took two of the smaller mustaches
and just put him up there
I think you're right
my old face is made him
mustache. You know what I think it was
was because if you look at Heston, he's got that
half mustache and like
dudes would shave the top
of it all. So I think they took the top of the
mustache, you see. And just glued
it up to make the eyebrows.
Real strained
budget. Also, yeah,
I'm so glad I'm playing
Henry Hooker. What a name.
And he
says, you know, he's going to allow them
to stay the night because
you know, Doc Holliday is all banged up or whatever.
Also, Josephine and the caravan show up here.
Everybody goes to hookers, apparently.
But they sort of just share this.
That they do.
They share this kind of awesome knowing look at one another.
And like, there's no dialogue exchange, which I think is actually kind of nice in the moment.
But she just sort of rides off like, I don't know what I'm going to see that dick again.
And by dick, I mean his penis.
Goodbye.
Farewell, penis.
This crazy here, again,
this is another something happened
and there's a deleted scene somewhere
because it's like the next morning everybody's
waking up at hookers
and then this dude you see this dude
on a horse coming dragging
someone behind him
and he leaves the body and goes off
and it's fucking hooker and he's been burned up
no no it's Michael Michael Rooker
it's Michael Rooker Rooker Rooker and Hooker
McMaster's is his character
they got McMasters
which is like okay
one, I think maybe I heard
McMasters once before in this movie,
so I'd go to IMDB, who the fuck is
McMasters? Oh, no, they got Rooker, but
like, where was he? Did he go out to
the outhouse to take a shit in the middle of the night?
They kidnapped him? Like, if you're setting
somebody on fire in this movie, I need to see that.
That would be nice to see,
yeah. But Ringo wanted to make
sure he got your attention. So that's
why they did it.
And it seems like
this is the scene where, you know,
Doc looks like he's at his deathbed.
hookers and they have this big conversation
it's kind of cool where
Wyatt is like I can't beat him can I
it's like no you can't
revenge on being born
Eric Siska
I also just really like
the what's it like
wearing that badge and then
Wyatt gives him
the badge and goes off to his own
death and it looks like it's
going to be him versus Johnny Ringo
didn't think you'd show and
oh man here comes to Val Kilmer in one of
best scenes. Dude, just smoking, walking
to this scene, I'm your Huckleberry.
Oh, dude. And it's awesome too, because Ringo, like,
holidays and shadow kind of.
And so Ringo obviously thinks that it's Wyatt. And he's just
like, I didn't think you had it in you, which is like,
it's so good. Oh, douche-ch-chill, dude, not the guy you thought it was.
Yes, he's surprised.
You look like someone just walked over your grave, Ringo.
And then this is, because he's shit in his pants and he's like,
Oh, I was just fooling about before.
I wasn't.
Oh, I don't look like a person who's walking over the car.
I don't look like that.
Stop saying that.
I don't look like that at all.
That's stupid talk.
Baby talk.
He shoots him in the head and starts to heckle him afterwards, which is great.
One of the great haters ever in film.
How much of a hater do you have to be to shoot someone in the head?
And then mock him afterwards.
It's beautiful.
Oh, my God.
I love it so much.
You were just too high strung.
Exactly.
It wouldn't be like, oh, we're two sides and the same course.
Oh, you don't know Daisy at all.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
And I do like him when Kurt Russell, like, comes into the scene and he's like,
he doesn't say anything.
He's like, what in the fuck?
Like, he's looking around.
He's like, I, uh, wasn't quite as sick as I made out.
Yes.
My hypocrisy knows no bounds.
No, no, Doc, you can't piss on him.
Stop. Stop.
Put it away, Doc.
Doc, stop doing that.
Come on.
I think he looks a little thirsty.
I might have some piss line.
Doc, stop it.
This is some nasty shit that I will not be a party to, Doc.
I will see you back at hookers.
Wait, wait for the grave at least.
God damn, Doc.
Also, great alternate title you could have had right here
because this is, we're told,
The Last Charge, a Wyatt Earp and his immortals.
And it's a cool sequence of like a, you know, a carriage chase or a horse chase, which is what you want.
But it kind of comes to nothing and Ike and Behan just quit being cowboys.
And like they just sort of shake hands like Wyatt and Doc, like job well done.
Like this is where the movie, again, kind of falls apart a little bit.
You don't know how to end it because the, I mean, it is the weird structure of like Powers Booth.
Unceremoniously murdered back of that river scene like.
Wyatt gets him in the gut with the with the rifle and he just eats shit and that's the end of it.
So it's this weird.
Yeah.
And then like the I guess like second hero or I don't know, maybe fourth hero if you're counting all the Earp brothers before him.
But like then Doc Holliday just takes out the number two after the fact.
It is it's just sort of weird.
They don't know how to to end this.
I mean in this montage, I mean, this, it's cool like why it shoots the dude while he's like hiding.
He's like hanging off the horse like hiding behind the horse's head.
and you know things like that but you're sitting there like well everybody's dead like is this
the movie over with what are we doing go home now can we please go home i would like to
uh but then yeah it just cuts we're at greenwood sanatorium in colorado sometime later and so here's
doc holiday and he's getting his last rights here and uh hey doc how you doing i'm dying how are you
and is forcing him to play a card game.
My God, this poor man.
Well, that's how you know that he's truly, you know,
the Reaper's coming.
Dude, if Doc Holiday doesn't want to get in on a game of cards.
Wyatt, I have no interest in playing guess who with you.
Does you wear glasses, Doc?
Come on.
Wake up.
Does you wear glasses?
All right, Doc, I'll give you a hint.
It's not the fat, bald bus driver, all right?
It's not him.
You are Cynthia.
how does he do it 12
straight games in a row
and this is really powerful speech
he's like wheezing it's like
if you ever cared about me
you would just let me go and go off
and get on with the business of living
or whatever it is it's really cool
I mean yeah go ahead
he also reminisces about the one that got away
the first cousin
he's going through his whole life
that was the biggest cock up
because he bangs his first cousin
and it was the love of his life.
She joins the convent over it.
She was all I of a woman.
There's a great thing he says, too, to Wyatt.
He goes, you're the only human being
in my entire life that ever gave me hope.
And I'm like, part of me is like super touched by it.
And I'm like feeling it.
And then part of me is also like, but this is tombstone.
What do we do?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's also the great moment of like,
he asks Wyatt what he want.
And he said to live a normal life.
There is no normal life, just life.
Get on with it.
It is very like, this is like the Oscar speech kind of a little bit.
Not in a bad way, but it is.
I actually didn't look it up at all.
Were there any awards given to this movie?
I do not believe so.
And he was not nominated for Best Supporting,
which probably could have, but should have been, you know.
93 was a big year for movies.
I would have tossed Kilmer a Best Supporting for this, though.
This is, I mean, this is just sort of like an iconic role of the 1990s.
It's sort of like,
It's similar to how it was a crime that Vincent Dinoffrio didn't get a best supporting for Edgar and men in black.
Yeah, like what like one, like actually one of the great physical performances of all time.
Yep.
Yeah.
What does a guy got to do?
Well, don't worry, fellas, the MTV Movie Awards for this year had us cover with Valcomer getting a nomination for best male performance and most desirable male.
Okay.
Did anyone who ever got an MTV movie award like ever?
you know where they're like oh do they actually like keep it like i feel like i would have i would
have like use it as like a paperweight until someone knocked it off your desk and it shattered
and you were like that's fine maybe there's some on ebay we can score oh i can tell you
exactly the one person and maybe he's not the only person but i can tell you the one person i know
for sure has kept his mtv movie award and that is when they gave clint howard a lifetime
Achievement Award. Oh, man.
And he cried during the exception
speech. The speech was like the most
earnest, sincere thing I've ever seen in my life.
That makes you feel legitimately bad.
I feel bad hearing that.
He was like so honored.
He was so honored to be there.
I was like, dude, the fucking year before that, they gave
it to Chewbacca. What are you crying for?
Don't do that, man. They really did.
They really did.
But he died.
So he's dead. Yeah, he leaves the
It's very sweet.
Oh, but this is the other death rattle, right?
This is the, I'll be damned.
This is funny.
And those are his last words.
And it sucks, though, man.
Talk about great shot right here.
He expires.
We cut back to the initial wide of the hospital room.
Yes.
And he's alone and he's dead.
And there's a nurse looking at another patient.
And then there's like a nurse over here like not paying attention.
And it's this wildly sad like he died and nobody.
has noticed and it's like how long is he just
going to fucking lay there dead? You don't know
but very sad ending for Doc
Holiday. Not the best. That's what he
wanted. That's what he wanted.
We get
Kurt Russell just meets up with Danny Delaney
who's been out of this movie for quite some time
and you're like who
and it's a very nice
scene where it's like let's live off room service
like we always wanted.
Here comes Robert Mitchum. Here's some things
you might have missed. Okay.
Let me just get you.
Yeah, the power of the cowboy gang was broken forever.
And don't worry, I did get shot and killed.
Maddie, let's say, drug overdose.
Don't put your coat on yet.
I'm not done.
The movie is not over yet.
Don't you want to hear about what Virgil was up to with his one arm?
Well, he became a sheriff in a California town.
And you've sports fans who miss the game while you were watching this movie.
The lines are up by 10.
And also, like, the weird last line of, like, Harrison Wyatt turned into a quite a bit of a showman.
Even Tom Mix was at his funeral.
I'm like, that's an anecdote.
That's not the way you end the movie.
No.
It's a fact point.
It's a, it's a way you end a movie.
If your actual thing is like, boy, the movies.
The Wyatt Earp is so important to the movie.
Yes.
Yes.
Like, that's the whole thing.
Like, it's a Hollywood.
It's just a jack off.
Like, that's all it is.
is but I get I like this movie but it's funny to to watch it and think about it because like there's
there's a version of this movie that is about white or the guy created its own legend right and like
that's how you end that movie yes and that's I mean part of me when I first heard Robert Mitchum
I was like is the Sam Elliott like who's doing this it took me for a minute but like if like that's
how you should have ended it Jamel I think you're totally right it's like talk about why the
only reason why it Earp is the main character of this movie is because he got to Hollywood and
started spinning all these yarns about him and his brothers and you know like john way
purported to have met him at one point and like all this that and the other thing and like that's
that to me is totally fascinating because it's the only way any of this stuff happened otherwise
it would be like footnotes about virgil and that's kind of it but this dude like spun his own
story and then like didn't get to see much of it i will say i think it's like
his, what did they say
he is? Like his great-grandson
or possibly just grandson, but there's
a dude in this movie
who I think is part of the...
He's named Wild Earp. Like he's the
great-grandson or whatever. I think I read he was like
a cousin or something like that.
Oh, was a cousin? Uh-huh.
Yeah. Uh, yeah.
Yeah, just totally, yeah, Tom Mixed. But it's
like, if you don't know, it's
Tom Mix and who's the other guy that they mentioned two
like dudes from the westerns and it's like if you don't
know those guys like, yeah.
I don't know what it's it's fucking
1993 like nobody remembers
it's like oh his funeral was
catered by Zabars actually
goodbye like I don't know
who gives his shit
just huge buckets
a salmon chowder for everybody
the absolute
I think it's unintentionally
of course but super hilarious
like end end
of this movie is how
you have the three
Earp brothers and Doc Holiday
walking very cool
towards the camera in slow motion
as all of the names go by
I don't think they thought
of the fact that oh my God
the amount of names that we have to put in
these dudes are walking in slow motion
for like three straight minutes
they just keep walking further
down the street in Tombstone it's so
awesome and then like after
40 names go by they can finally
cut to just black and then
it's Heston gets the hammer at the end
of it which is nice
but it's just so funny because they get like
as close to the camera as they can get
and then it just cuts and they're sort of like
far away again walking towards you
because you got like four dozen names to get through
anyway I thought that was very funny
but that is the end of this movie here
so we'll go around the horn here for some final thoughts
and we'll start with our big guest Jamel
any final thoughts and recommendations for Tombstone
so I this is my second time seeing this movie
it's great I mean we've
referred to it to being a dad for noon movie
and that's exactly what it is
This is a movie made for men between the ages of 35 and 65.
It's for watching on a Sunday.
I mean,
I watched it on like a Wednesday morning,
but you know,
whatever.
But it's meant to be watched on a Sunday afternoon
when nothing going on.
And it's some of the flaws,
right,
the fact that it can't keep track of time that well,
like the fact that towards the back end,
the rush things,
kind of just relying on montage absolutely work.
When you're just sort of like sitting on a couch.
Yeah.
And paying attention and kind of not kind of deal.
Great Kerr Russell performance.
I mean, Val Kilmer is just incredible.
It's Doc Holliday, like so charismatic and really a truly great performance.
I like this movie.
I would happily recommend it, happily watch it again.
It definitely is, it's like getting on my list of maybe if this show pops up,
I will pick this up, you know, just to have around.
Right, exactly, exactly.
Chris Cabin, final thoughts, my friend.
you know I like it
I would tell people to see it
it's funny that
because I had also seen it mostly in chunks
for a very long time
just catching it on TV
and that's like it lends itself to that
like the way this thing comes
like it is in chunks and like it does
and the time jumps we do
really do kind of put things at unease
where it lends itself you can watch part of him
be like oh that was a fun part
and then like feel like you don't even have to see
the rest of the thing
work to work on its own.
This is in comparison to a lot of
the movies that, I mean, I love
about Wyatt Earp, like I know
I said a few, Frontier Marshal
by Alan Duan, also good, long riders
by Walter Hill. I know I mentioned him before.
He's, he's everywhere.
White Earp is fucking everywhere in these movies, and he's,
they made a lot of really good ones.
And a lot of them have, I think, done
a story about him and gone to his character
in a shorter amount of time.
This is just like in Hollywood epic.
This is just being like, Wyatt Earp,
the big Hollywood legend
and letting him really come to full bloom.
It's fun. It's not like
the most powerful movie I've ever seen, but
it works. And my God, the Russell
performances, opt here.
Chris, the next time we do a live stream
from the public, would you show everybody
your wider back tattoo you clearly have?
We're still getting through it. I have another two sessions
to get the color in. Okay?
Right, all right. So when it's all done, we can see it.
Yes, don't show it to me and do you have like a little
Tom mix in the background crying.
crying. I guess it's a kind of good to that. Oh, Mr. Siska, how we feel? Yes. No, it's a recommend. I did see this a bunch as a kid and I did see it all the way through before. But you're right, it does lend itself to just being found on TV. We went on vacation once in Key West Florida and this came on in like the late afternoon. I was like, well, you know, we'll get dinner later. Get dinner later. It's an ass magnet. There are flaws, but they do somehow work like I feel like it's too ambitious.
was with the huge ensemble,
but like Christy said,
it's an epic and you're right.
And that ensemble,
which I think kind of almost weakens it,
is the strength of the movie.
And the reason I like it,
seeing all these that guys
that are in the cast.
Right.
And I think if it was paired down
to be more of just focusing
on White Earp himself,
I don't know,
I don't know if I would like that
better than what we got here.
It's already been done, too.
It's already been done.
I will check out your movie list.
But this is,
but this is still a great,
It's still a great movie. This is a lot of fun.
Yeah. Mr. Sadek.
Yeah, I really love this movie. I grew up with it.
I've watched it a trillion times.
Again, mostly on television.
I agree with all of that stuff. I think, like, yeah, but it is kind of like one of those things where like, even in the 90s, there are better Westerns.
You know, you got Unforgiven on a Mountain Top, which is just like a perfect big budget Western movie.
And The Quicken the Dead, which we talked about.
You know what I mean? Like, but I think this movie is unfuck withable because of the Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer.
pieces of it, which are just
so hugely important to both those
dudes' careers, you know what I mean? I think that...
Oh, yeah. It's like I talked about, you know, Russell in the
90s. It was, you know, there was, there were
some tough times for Kurt back
then, you know what I mean? And it's cool
to watch him really just strut
in this film and, like, just
have these iconic lines and know that he's
going to wind up on a T-shirt, and literally every
single line Val Kilmer
has is a T-shirt somewhere. You know what I mean?
And rightfully so. You know, like...
Right. It's such a fun performance
for him.
Yeah, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I, I'm really not gonna say any different than the four of you. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really not gonna say any different than the four of you. Yeah, ass magnet, total dead for noon picture. I want to go, quick look at the TNT listings to see the next time. This will be on, on linear television.
Yeah, and you know, like, how important this was, especially to Val, like, he named his autobiography, I'm your Huckleberry.
So, you know, it's very special to watch him exceed in such a great thing, especially because he was kind of like eating shit for that Batman just a few years after this.
So, you know, no, no, no, I know.
I'm not saying it was just saying what happened.
I wasn't putting that on you.
I wasn't putting that.
Val, no, I've always thought he was a great Batman.
But so, like, it was cool that, like, this super career high comes right before what I'm sure was kind of at least a temporary personal low for him.
But that is going to do it for this episode on Tombstone, Jamel.
Tell people about your new YouTube channel, man.
And anything else you want to talk about, but I'm loving Jamel Bowie's takes on YouTube.
Sure.
So I have this YouTube channel.
It's a bit of an experiment on my part to kind of, like, see if this thing can work.
But I'm basically just, like, doing kind of like civics education on YouTube.
in addition to other
commentary. So it's just
Jamel Dash Bowie
over at YouTube
or takes by Jamel Bowie
and that's my YouTube channel
and then you can find me
on TikTok and Instagram
and Blue Skype if you use that.
And of course,
you can read me at the New York Times
but I understand that people
do not like New York Times.
So I'm not gonna,
you know, that's at the bottom.
Times under TikTok.
That is something, man.
And I have a podcast
unclear and present day.
where we watch the political and military thrillers
of the 1990s and talk about them
in the context of the politics of the decade.
I think we're currently,
we're at the end of 97.
We're about to do an episode on Wag the Dog,
which is a strange movie.
But we missed a couple,
so we got to go back in time and do
G.I.J.
Oh, boy. Yeah, there you go.
And murder at 1600.
That's the other one. Oh, my God.
Of course.
Dude, previous episode.
ass magnet dad for noon pictures murder at 1600 i'll be late for a dinner date
but dude i mean civics lessons now needed more than ever dude so you are clearly doing the
lord's work and it's always awesome having you to pop on the showman so come back uh anytime you
want oh it's my pleasure thank you guys for having me that is going to do it on this episode
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It's just really just an incredible time
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Absolutely.
And last week, if you're still catching up
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So Eric, last week, Thursday and Friday,
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That's right.
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It gets wild on that.
Oh, yeah.
I got to tell you, the relationship advice thing was awesome.
And I'll tell you this, if we get one of these after dark questions and start being
more like, uh, like, yeah, relationship helpers or advice or by the asshole, we'll tell
you if you're being an asshole, don't worry about that.
If anything blows up in your face based on our advice, that's on you.
You ask the podcast.
We're not, we're not doctors.
I can't look at a picture and just, just go to some.
It's a rash, dude.
I don't know.
But so, as always, here on We Hey Movies, that's just a smattering of this month's Patreon
offerings.
But as always, the show continues next week.
We're already going to be in December, which is wild.
I can't even believe this year is over.
But Steve Sadek next Tuesday, what are we talking about?
We are talking about just friends.
Talk about movies that are on television.
This movie was Comedy Central from like 2009.
To 2014, I think.
It was just non-stop.
Ryan Reynolds in a fat suit.
I remember when this movie came out,
we were working at the multiplex at the time,
and just being horrified of the poster
that just sat in the same poster case
for like at least a month.
And it was just him in that fat suit.
It's fucking terrifying.
So until next week with Ryan Reynolds in a fat suit,
I've been Andrew Jupin.
Stephen Sadek.
Eric, Cisco.
Chris Cabin.
Jamel Bowie.
Take it easy.
Thank you.
