We Hate Movies - S16: On-Screen Live: Backrooms, The Mandalorian and Grogu, The Boys Final Season & more!

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

On our return to the air, we're reviewing the latest Star Wars product drop, The Mandalorian and Grogu, the final season of The Boys, Kane Parsons' indie horror sensation, Backrooms, and a sleepy Kiefer Sutherland Secret Movie™️! Come hang out in Vegas with us this summer as we do a three-night stand at ST:LV to celebrate 60 years of Star Trek and 10 years of The Nexus! We’ll be at the convention Thursday, Friday and Saturday night doing three Nexus shows on Wrath of Kahn, Generations, and First Contact! Best part is, you don’t need to have a convention pass to attend, each show is ticketed separately. Click through to snag your tix now!Be sure to visit the WHM Merch shop over on Dashery and check out all the latest show-related designs you can slap on t-shirts, hats, coffee mugs, stickers, whatever! Make your friends jealous by flaunting some WHM merch today! All art by Felipe Sobreiro

Well, well, what is going on one and all? Welcome to on-screen live. This is our show for June 1st, 2026. My name is Andrew Jupin. I'm alongside three other handsome as all get-out gentlemen. Steven Sadegh, Christopher Cabin and Eric Sisker here. Happy Pride, everybody. We're back on the air just in time for pride.

Hope everyone's getting all your corporate emails. One love, everybody from fucking Foot Locker. Yeah. Well, we've got to start doing that. We're going to start sending some emails that are useless. right that's right that's right what's going on in the chat scott gerard 12 peter robes 7803 busy ceres 87 tristan nicoom so rachel rodney hess kyle anderson 4406 what's going on one and all welcome in can i just uh talk to pat ptovich here uh never never

postpone therapy to watch this it's okay you're good i think you're good yeah I mean, like, thank you. I say thank you, but, you know. This is kind of therapy sometimes, right? With the mailbags, you write in your embarrassing childhood shit stories. Maybe start your next session with that confession, I think is a good move too. Well, Steve, this is my bud, Johnny Pomato from the authorized podcast. Oh, we've met him in Brooklyn a couple times.

But Johnny, they'll see you next week, buddy, because it's how I sell time. You do this, and then afterwards, you go to the Foot Locker website. And you type in Pride 20 to get your 20% off your Reebok. And then you go do the rest of your day. Type in Pride 26 to get discounts on your Velcro sneakers. Now we have to mention Nike. We're not, this is not an ad. No, no.

Reebok wants to reach out and collab. That's one thing. Sure. I'm going to guess New Balance doesn't have a Pride month. Oh, no, probably not. Probably not. Yeah, it has been a minute since we've been on the air. because listen, the truth of the matter is, folks,

we're just busy beavers. And, you know, we've just not had an opportunity to come in and we wanted to get back on the air because we have stuff to plug and there's interesting box office stuff to talk about. So we're back here for OSL for the month of June. Busy beavers, by the way. We were just saying, damn.

We haven't done this in a while. I was going to say busy bevers gnawing on all sorts of wood. Oh, hell yes. We're going on dirty. Gnawain. So vagina, Dentata. Good Lord.

Well, speaking of vagina dentata, let's talk box office. This is high as gross. Forgot to mention also speaking of great Eric sayings, this time of this month of love and everything else. Just remember, of course. The tunnel of love is her pussy. That wasn't me. That was some magical thing you just did. Sure.

I never said that. I love it. I love to think about it on a Monday morning. That's right. That's right, Steve. So listen, if you're new to the program, this is the highest gross. We'd go through the top five at the U.S. box office this past weekend. And coming in at number five, I don't know if anyone saw this, this Nate Bargatsy, the breadwinner.

We're talking like 40 years too late for Mr. Mom, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Could you imagine if a man had to make breakfast? I mean, could you imagine it? I think that's right for comedy immediately. A man making breakfast. Not a lot in America did realize that's 7.5 to open the...

Well, you got sitcoms for you, buddy. You don't got to be doing that. That's the thing. Don't you worry about this. Chris, Chris, that's a good question, though. Has this guy been on sitcoms? Because I only know him as a stand-up. I don't think so.

Maybe. How he passed the stand-up to sitcom to movie pipeline, he skipped over the sitcom. we got to see like he did that award show what he hosts like the emmys one time and that was terrible also the title is a problem bread winner what does everyone get a precipitation trophy right you know how about bread earner and then maybe some red blooded americans would have went to see your movie yeah i've seen like the one clip that's been going around about the guy making eggs or whatever or like asking the in the grocery store is that tough is that tough for him this guy this guy making me yeah he uh naked bargazzi and it's just like it's edited

to shit like there's zero jokes I mean maybe I've never really appreciated this guy stayed up maybe he's very funny I haven't really like gone a ton of it but like I've found him very like kind of like his thing is sort of like you know he's level I was telling Andrew before we went on the air

like his style humor is like you know my kid did something crazy at the water park didn't he yeah I mean and it's no shade to that kind of stand up like it's just that material doesn't interest me because I don't give a fuck about other people foibles, foibles with their kids.

Like, you know what I mean? It's just like, if that's all it is, which a lot of that dude's stand up is that, it's totally fine. It's great to like it and all the success, but just not for me. It was worth trying for the industry, right? Because some people view Sebastian Manascalco is too ethnic. So I just got, I literally thought for the longest time this was an Amazon Prime, like only joint, like, you know, like the fucking, what was the, the, the, the,

one of the Reacher movies, you know what I mean? Like all those Reacher movies are putting on Prime every week. I thought it was one of those. Oh, no, you mean Jack Ryan, the Jack Ryan movie. Oh, no, no, no, Alan what's his, Alan, what's his face? Oh, I thought, okay, no, no, no, no, I know. I thought you were saying there was a Reacher movie, and I got confused because there is an Amazon Jack Ryan movie. That's how right now right now.

You're saying Alan Richson movie. Yes. War machine. Yes, okay. And, uh, and, yeah, you know, the Jack Ryan movie Shadow Time or whatever it is or Shadow War maybe. Ghost War maybe. Yes, that sounds right. That's not going to be on this top five.

No, no, you got to get a theatrical release for that. Moving right along here to stuff I have no interest in. Coming in at number four, it's been at the theater for over almost, no, I think over just about two months. Still don't care a lick to see it. It is that Michael Jackson movie. No. This thing is a juggernaut at the box office, you guys. It's crazy.

I'm so surprised, just no sequel on the horizon. I wonder why. Well, they did say that. I think Coleman Domingo was the one who was like when when they asked like, why does it stop at 80? I mean, why does it stop at 88? Why would you mean? And like, just to have a new answer out there in the ballpark, Coleman Domingo's like, well, there could be a sequel, you know.

That'd be a fun sequel. Yeah. I mean, the technology isn't in place yet for him to be burned in that Pepsi commercial or whatever that. Well, it's in the movie. That's in the movie. Okay. What does it end with like him doing the fucking? and Super Bowl halftime show? When was that?

Because that was like a big... I think Moon walks into a boy's bedroom at the end. No, I mean... It's like the end of the godfather with the door closing when he's just a new one-book. That would be a creative ending, and I would have preferred that. No, I think it is like, it's right around when the Pepsi thing happened.

Is it? Yeah. It's not long after that, that it ends. Oh, Michael, that Pepsi commercial was so great. Here is, it's a new piece of technology. We call it a fax machine, you understand. And what you can do is you can fax it. he's like say credit oh totally then he becomes a smooth criminal

this is uh yeah week six of this thing only a 43% drop still on over 3,000 screens look at this uh domestically over 400 million dollars and worldwide I mean we're closing in on a billion

846 million dollars this movie is made good Christ everybody I think it's probably like Europe Pee and boomers and stuff, right? Yeah, I assume so. But like at this point, honestly, just make the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, just, just to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then it ends, it's going to do it, do it. It ends right before his things, right? Yes, right before it. Okay. Sundance, 1993 credits.

Black. Uh, coming in at number three is what, one of the two, uh, flicks in the, uh, uh, flicks in the top five we will be reviewing a little later in the program it is disney's the mandolorean and grow goo and it week two uh and this fucker not a decent hold at all 25 million this is a 69% drop 137 domestic 246 worldwide so international does not care about this at all we'll talk about the content but this is a disaster like this is an actual like this not not the movie itself i mean I have brought my thoughts about the movie, but like box office, and I'm not a huge box officey guy,

but this is a disaster, right? The budget is at least like way less than, I think Solo was almost 400 million or something, and this is 125 or something. So they're kind of predicting their problems here and trying to fix it from the start. But I guess the thing is, my thing, why it's a disaster is culturally it just has no hold on anything.

That's why it's a disaster. I will say, guys, when I saw it, did anyone else have this when you saw it? thunderous applause from the audience. Really? I didn't get that. I was kids and families. I was a Thursday night Alamo screening and people were like chuckling.

You know what I mean? At an appropriate part. This was 1 p.m. on a Saturday. I was like 10.30 last Friday. So I was like weekend two. Kind of packed at the IMAX. But you know, morning screenings on a Friday, not a lot of energy and whatnot.

But yeah, I think this is, someone mentioned it somewhere else. And it's stranger things. syndrome, you know, and technically speaking, like, if you count like those, like, let's say those first three seasons, each of those are like a movie. This is technically like your fourth outing with these

guys. So like you're kind of going into it from this weird like handicapped area of like, there's technically three of them already. So you, your first theatrically released movie of these guys is technically the fourth movie of these guys.

And I think that just is fucking killing it. And also, when was that 30? season two years ago three years ago at least yeah it's so yeah it's not exciting you know it's just not no no and the trailer wasn't exciting honestly the trailer never I mean we'll talk about the movie

when we talk about the movie but like the trailer never was like this is going to be a special experience you need to be in theaters to see it just looked like more mandolarian when I think a lot of people were just like I'll just maybe I missed the last season yeah I got to catch up I'm going to catch it on Disney Plus I think a lot of

we have Mandalorian at home and it's exactly this. Yeah, it's literally better also. Yeah. So there's that too. Yeah, we will talk about it more. I feel differently than you guys a little bit on it. But as far as like the necessity, it's just not there.

And also like it's a failure on the ad campaign, right? Because just like you said, like there's a way to do it where it's like you literally say in this, you get a fucking guy like this and he goes, you have to see this in theater. It's like, yeah. They didn't do that at all. Really. You know, so what are you going to do? In it number two, it is an interesting time for original horror IP.

And regardless of how I feel about the motion pictures, I'm very excited for it. But holding in it too, obsession. Yeah. I do like this poster quite a bit. I think I'm the one that likes this the most. This is my favorite horror movie of the year thus far. I really liked it. I think it's funny at parts.

It is very chilling in a lot of parts. It is, I keep forgetting. her name. The lead actress Indie. Indie Indieavette, Navarette. Adina Mazzal. Do the whole John Travolta. She is fantastic

at it. And the lead guy is so lonesome. And the movie wants you to load him. And he does a great job of being I was. I thought it was really fantastic. That's what's where I meant. Yeah. I think my, my beef with it because I did, I liked her performance.

That guy's playing a real squirm. piece of shit asshole like just what you want them to be um but this and and the number one movie at the box office right now i just feel like there's not enough there i need i need a richer story that's just me for for obsession but hey look at this though um another 26.4 million and the rarest of rare as you guys this bumped up 10% of its box office from last weekend nice so word of mouth is in that's the thing it's the word of mouth and that's what star war's problem probably is right now because it's like, then you hear it's like, oh yeah, and there's a hut, speaking English and, you know, hanging out and be, and he's buff and it's a bad word of mouth.

This, you know, with the new horror, this and backrooms, I guarantee backrooms will hold better than mando as well. Oh, absolutely. Oh, sure. Because I mean, like the clips, you know, the kids love the clips, you know, the clip going around on the internet of the movie that's out in theaters. Yeah. Of Rotat the Hut being like, I'm my own man now is like getting clowned left and right and like people are like oh look at this clip from obsession she's in the doorway this shit's crazy you know what I mean like what would you rather see if you're just

you know scrolling around like an asshole like I am so more backrooms chat to come but yes in at number one backrooms kind of a lackluster poster there that poster looks more like back walls or something it does look

very like it looks like the nymphomaniac poster a little I can see that. This is fucking wild, though. $81.5 million for a completely original horror IP, making fucking peanuts. This is really great. And wildly, though, so 3,442 screens worldwide, $118 million for this little fucker.

So well done, all involved on this movie. I hope all the actors had points in their contracts for this. we'll flip it on obsession. I like this better than I think everybody else who's seen it in this group. I really liked this. Obsession, I'm with Andrew, I'm much more kind of like,

I'm happy that that happened. I'm happy that people got to make them. This I actually think has like genuine inventive, creative, like force to it. There's something really interesting about the world this guy's creating. He's 20. Did I hear it right? 20 is insane.

20 is great. This kid is 20 years old. job, buddy. Keep going. And please, for the love of God, just ignore every idiot who's like, where he must have somebody on there. Direct in Duplas directed for me. After seeing the movie, I don't buy that for a second. And that's not a, that's not a knock against the movie. I just don't buy that. What I do buy, and we'll talk about it in a minute, is that a 20-year-old wrote that script. Right. And you know, if Duplas directed it, there would have been a puffy chair in the background of one of these bedrooms. Oh, man. You are ripping that.

one back from what that was like 2003 that thing came out my lord five maybe something great movie by the way i do really love the puffy chair great that's their first one i think right yeah the first one that like got any notice um and then something i just wanted to point out box office wise because i'm very excited for it i like john carney movies uh his new one is coming out uh with paul rudd nick jonas power ballad it's out limited right now john carney just makes very very sweet movies with amazing music in them What else has he done? So he was the dude who did Sing Street. Okay.

He did the Once movie, and he did it's Mark Ruffalo and I believe Kira Knightley. Yes, I forget the name of that one. But it's just really, really fun Irish director. Sing Street is like a really cool 80 set musical that he directed. It's fucking great.

But so yeah, Power Ballad is out from Lionsgate Limited right now. But on just 10 screens, $170,000, a $17,000 per screen, very good for your limited engagement. So hopefully we'll see more of that as it actually opens in the next week or so. I think actually, no, it's wide next week. So look for that there. But yeah, so those are the numbers, everybody. Very excited. Hey, speaking of this stuff we're very excited about this summer.

So we did our shows in the spring and we were like, you know, maybe we'll just. be off the road for the rest of the year. We got a lot going on. Just pack it in. We'll see what 2027 comes our way, what with, you know, gas prices and the state of the world. But something came, fell into our lap that we just could not say no to. And that was an opportunity for us to celebrate 10 years of our Star Trek Recap show, The Nexus, at the biggest and best Star Trek convention in the world. So this summer, we are going to STLV as they celebrate 60s. years of Star Trek. We're going to do a three-night residency out in Vegas at the Rio at the

Forest Kelly Theater, which is pretty cool. Talking about three of our favorite Star Trek movies, Rathakhan on the sixth, generations on the seventh and first contact on the eighth. It's going to be a lot of fun. Tickets are on sale now. I'm super stoked for it. Right. Do not need convention passes. You don't have to buy the convention pass to go to the Star Trek convention to go to the show. It's separate tickets. You can just buy tickets to the show.

Yes. Hey, maybe all three. If you can, you should. And also, just to let you know, you can if you want to, but you do not have to have silly costumes on while you're doing it. You can. Yes, exactly. It's a convention.

I know that if you want to put them on, great. But if you do not have to, you do not have to. And I can't guarantee that I'll be at all three because I'll be in the elevator with likely like Jonathan Frakes or something. And it's going to get weird. And I might be tackled. You know, I might be a. in a in a in a in a Las Vegas jail cell at some point for stabbing or whatever oh who knows exactly okay

all right so he might stab what of the people oh I was thinking I was thinking that the people were stabbing him and self oh yeah that probably either or I know Jonathan Franks carries a big knife on him at all times you start up with frakes in an elevator Steve he's gonna do that whole that scene from drive where he's like stomping the head apart that's a big dude he's a big guy he's a tall guy dude, he would have your number, man. Factor fiction, are you dead? Fact. That's completely true. He's dead.

Yeah, no, that's what's going to be rad, man. I mean, we're going to be bouncing around the convention floor. All these folks are going to be around. Very cool. But yeah, this isn't like a, we're going out there and fuck Star Trek. Like, we love Star Trek. These are three of our favorite movies

that we're going to be talking about. So the cool thing is, too, like if you're not big on the shows and whatever, that's cool. These are just standalone in movies that will, you know, be able to help any confusing parts out. So it's not like you need decades or seasons worth of lore to understand what we're going to be talking about. I mean, talking about Shatner and Patrick Stewart. Perfect.

Exactly. Exactly. So those tickets are on sale. Now you just head to our website, WHM Podcast.com. There's a big pop-up thing right there. They can take you right to the ticketing portal. But yeah, this August, Vegas, just go have some fun in the desert this summer. It's going to be awesome.

very very much looking forward to STLV all right y'all let's get into it first up here backrooms let's chat about Kane Parsons backrooms I keep wanting to call us little fucker Kane Hodder yes it's so difficult when you're talking about yeah Keynes probably named after Kane Hodder right entirely possible just to clean something up because this is written by Kane Ha Hauteer Kane Parsons and somebody named Will Sue who is like a TV writer. I think they probably brought this Will Sudec guy to come in and help him

put his vision on the screen from a writing standpoint. It's a punch up. Yes. Yes, exactly. And it's, you know, I saw this on Thursday night again and it was... Where'd you see it? A Regal Union Square and it was like, I was the oldest person there by like 14 years

easily. And the kids were loving it. The kids were eating it up. And I was just kind of sort of okay-ish. towards not so great on it. But I, you know, I'm glad this movie exists and I'm glad that the kids are enjoying it. And I'll get into more specific stuff after we kind of go around. Yeah. Go ahead, Eric. Oh, no, there's a lot I like about it. I feel like, um, had it done, I don't know, had it known where to go.

Yeah. I feel like we got a little lost in the back rooms. And, uh, but there's a lot I like about it. I like the performances. And, uh, it's, it's a crazy idea. And I, it looks good. It looks very good. I do think it is such a creatively designed thing.

I didn't know that, you know, an abandoned J.C. Penny's changing room could be scary, but here we are. And I think that's really interesting. Listen, here's the other thing, though. And I just, it's been overused. And I'm sorry that this guy's movie is kind of all about it. But everybody with the liminal spaces, can we stop with liminal spaces? No, this is everywhere. It's going to launch a liminal universe that we're just to see all these movies.

movies. Great. No, I mean, I like Chihuatl in it. I kind of wanted more from Chihuetal. He kind of goes away, not to spoil too much in the movie. Renata, great. Again, though, just with like not a lot to do. So like, for me at least, like getting through the movie, getting me through the movie was like the vibes, the set design, the mystery of it all. But then I just really, those credits roll. And I'm like, wait a second. Didn't you leave out like 15 minutes of the end of this movie? That's just me. Yeah, no, I agree with you there. a little bit because I'm just like, well, what's up with the giant Muppet, man? That guy wasn't as scary as I would have liked him to be. That's the thing is I found all that inert. That all worked for me. All of the space stuff, the puppet man, I don't want to.

That's what it was. It was terrifying. I found all that stuff. I felt when it got close to, I think all that worked really well. I like the fact that it doesn't have a lot of story is a plus to me. I don't think that it needs. much more story for me to feel this thing to be satisfactory at the end because

I think they do just enough with giving you the little bit of Renada's background and where she's coming from. They give you just enough, I think. Trauma. Well, that's the thing is I don't think it's like, oh, it's trauma porn. Oh, my God. Something happened to this person that's bad. It's trauma

now. No, it's not. I think like her thing as a therapist which is not spoiling anything, like we've learned she's a therapist very early on. And like her being a Chuital's therapist, all that stuff was really, really pat and obvious to me and just sort of like, you have to forgive yourself for not being an architect is like what a 20-year-old might write about what a 30 or 40-year-old might be going through.

And I just think that there's a naivete that I think actually affects how I enjoyed the movie. And I think that like it splits the baby in the wrong way of like telling too much on that end and not telling enough on the other. Whereas if it was just sort of light, like, this therapist wants to go see what happened to her patient and she finds herself in the back rooms what are the back rooms and even as you don't tell me what they are at the end i could at least like be on that journey but like i found all of the actual specifics about the argument and his drinking and stuff obvious obvious obvious and very like you know just like psych 101 in a way that wasn't super

interesting to me and and deflated from the the point i got kicked out of the house why i came home drunk, why were you drunk? I never became an architect. You know, so it is kind of whatever. And, you know, I will say, I think, yeah, you should have like puffed up at the end more. Because honestly, once we're farting around in these back rooms, I don't care about anything. I don't give a shit about she's sad that her mom was crazy. I don't care that he never became an architect. There's cool freaky shit back here and let's explore that world. And I just thought, again, I don't want to give too much away. This is not a spoiler space. But like the final like big scene with Renata and another person at a table.

That's all to say that. Sure. That's, it feels like it's like leading you into again, like another like 10 minutes or so where like the curtain was going to be pulled back and it's not, you know. And so I just, I kind of just was left with like, all right. I mean, for what it's worth, I will say I do have a thing with Heights. And when she is trying to get up those stairs to the roof thing. Yeah.

I had this insane memory. It really knocked something loose I'd and thought about in years. Years ago, I was a little kid, and I remember my mom's friend was building a house in like a new development. She was like, oh, hey, you want to come see the progress on the house. So my mother big into real estate and whatnot.

I was like, yes, I will absolutely go see your unbuilt house. And I'll bring my young children. And there was a part of this house where on the second floor, there was a walkway from like the rest of the hallway over like the foyer of this place into the primary bedroom. So when it was all finished,

it was going to be a little railing way that you walked across and beneath you was like the first floor of the house. When I tell you, this house was unfinished, it was like, hey, let's go see the new bedroom area. The railing and the handles and shit over that walkway were not installed yet. So it was just,

walk across this fucking thing that you could fall off little child so you can see this bedroom you don't care about and man she's crawling up that and she looks down and there's no real and I was like oh my god it just it pulled it right out of me I can believe it. That has a very video gamey feel to me

of the ones I know that that has been talked about a lot but that scene specifically and like to what you're saying what I think it opts for rather than sewing everything up or like giving you a little bit more of the stuff at the end is chaos and that's what I really like. I like the chaos. I'm a whole 100% pro chaos because that's what they do with the puppet. That's what they do with that stair thing is like, you don't know where this thing's going at the end. I'm like, okay, this is good. And like, again, the, the duplussian I'm not crazy about and that's where I'm more with you with the writing. Um, but like, everything up to that, I was like, this is perfect. As far as I also constantly remind myself a 20 year old. This is like, yes. This is right. Right. I think that's off. Yeah. That. That.

That is absolutely like the headline, a 20-year-old did this. And complimentary, like, holy shit. Insane. Insane that he did this. For me, I think if it was 90 minutes, I'd be in your camp completely, Chris. I'd be like, this is a banger. But just because it's, I feel like it's over bloated. Yeah.

And so it's underwhelming ultimately for me. That's what I, because I think like something like where, what I like is Oz Perkins's last movie with a keeper. where it's like a stink fest where it's keeping all the information from you and then at the end like it shows you what it is and like it doesn't give you enough time to play and what I think is an actually interesting folk world

that is right behind all of the stuff that is about to happen whereas in this movie you do go in the backrooms you are exploring it you are it's playing in the world you know what I mean which I think is really positive for this I just think that some of the other stuff that is added on because somebody was

somebody somewhere was like it has to be a movie actually detracts from it to Eric's point. It was a 90 minute. It isn't more like skidamarin with the back rooms. I'm kind of like, you know, A plus B plus kind of world.

But it's like it's just like a C plus to me. You know, that's where I'm at. Listen, yeah, you know, original IP. It's top of the box office. I can't complain about it too much. And I wasn't, I wasn't ever bored.

I just kind of, if anything being left wanting more is a good thing. But just like sitting on the train ride home, it was like, at least for me, like I was like, not as much as like the funny thing was like Steve I texted you

like what did you think of it and I was like dug it man on board by the time I'm on the one train I was like maybe that was a little quick to judge but you know not the worst thing in the world something I think you guys thought was the worst thing of the world we'll get into it here Mandalorian and

Grogu the Adventures of a TV show on the big screen I'll just I'll let you guys go but I'll just say this there was a very small list of things I wanted out of my experience of seeing this movie. I wanted to see it on the biggest screen I could. So I saw it on IMAX. I wanted explosions. I wanted spaceships. I wanted more puppets that you could shake a stick at. And I kind of got those four things. And considering I was expecting nothing from the movie, I left satisfied. I'll never, you know, be excited to

rewatch it again. But I didn't care that the huts are speaking English. All right, go ahead. I cared that the huts were speaking English I know you did well one of my reasons for that is yeah because Star Wars always felt big and alien and special and vast and it's like oh and you need even this even this moisture farmer needs to hire

this fucking droid to be able to communicate with people in town or whatever you know there's Rhodians running around speaking Rhodian the huts speak hut see 3PO's translating shit and now it's like none of that shit ever mattered and it, fine, but you also have to deliver a better story, I guess, because it does feel like the multiple TV show thing.

And, you know, not exactly the end of the world for that, too. I saw our friend Justin La Liberti's review mentioning the old serials and how they were like TV stitched together. And that's a good point on how to approach this. But the problem is you're also introducing all these new characters like Sigourney Weaver has nothing to do. She might as well not have been in this movie. It annoyed me that all she does is clap when he comes back, and I don't know anything about her.

Sigourney Weaver is the dog from Star Fox that tells you what the next thing is going to be. And that's not great for Sigourney Weaver. You know what I mean? And I think that where we've been with the Mandalorian Grogu characters and Star Wars in general is like we're stuck in the mud. I don't know what the universe is right now, what the rebellion or the New Republic or whatever we're calling it, is doing what the Mandalorian wants to do with them is never really clear to me. It's never like, I guess we're like trying to stop the rise of,

you know what I mean, the Imperials and Snoke eventually and blah, blah, but we're too afraid to say Snoke because those movies didn't do well. You don't want to use the S word here. And so we're in this like kind of nether space where nothing kind of has any stakes and nothing really matters. And like it doesn't really work. You know what I mean?

I never had like a reason to tear. Like the first couple seasons of Mando, it's like he's a bounty hunter. He has this weird religion hangups and he's trying to do this thing. And every mission gets it more of his weird armor and does all this cool stuff. And then it's like, oh, but he has to take care of this kid. Now he's taking care of this kid. Does the kid want to be a Jedi? And now all of that's been resolved.

And it's like they're just kind of dad and sons. Yes. Parting in the galaxy. Well, the thing is, what the problem is, I see what you're saying, Steve. I think if the show ended at season two, when Grogoos goes off to Luke Skywalker, you don't do season three, then you can come back and do this big movie of them reuniting.

I think it's very unsatisfying to them just be paired up again. And then also no real consequence in the end. They just fly away again. No, that's, I mean, that's it. I think all the things you're saying, Steve, are things that were probably said in the writer's room.

It's probably like, I don't know what we're supposed to do with this thing. What the fuck is? like I really and what Andrew said like the problem is what you said and the problem is like that's all I was expected that's the problem that right there is the problem it's not on the other stuff is the problem

the problem is that there is a great deal of audiences who are like I don't know things exploded there's a puppet I'm good and like that's not what a good movie should be that's not what or even a Star Wars movie like a Star Wars and any movie that like if the the expectations are so fucking low, then you have a problem with your product.

Your product is now, there's something that really needs to be fixed. And to me, I'm all for the Liberty belief that, like, oh, they're serialized like this. Guess what has to happen then? Each one of the episodes has to be really fucking good. I didn't find either of these episodes particularly good. I think they were just okay. And like, to your point, Eric, the fucking Sigourne Weaver thing, how hard is it to get Sigourne Weaver to care about these characters in this world?

what do you have to do in your script to be like God damn I need to fucking I need to beat these people I need to fucking like I I believe that the empire needs to fucking fall like something like that to at least believe that she cares about what's in the it's okay if she doesn't off screen but in this screen I need to believe she cares about this and there's no sign whatsoever that she does

it just is like whatever we're we're moving on now so she's doing this stuff all for fun it's just so underwritten she needs something to do let me let me see more of the rebellion and why she's this invested yes what is it I agree with what is it because that's and again

that's where we're at we just don't know what like they're rebelling against or what like you know we keep saying new republic show me the new republic then like you know whatever that is and like they've never done that it's just like and you know we haven't said the word yet we have to Dave Filoni and his absolute obsession with all

Like when I was watching that movie three times, I was like, oh, that guy with the hats got a, he got the hat, the dog. I have no idea who he is, but I guarantee you he's a Clone Wars character. I was proven right. You know what I mean? Like, even the snake in the pond or whatever towards it.

Like every element is, is Clone Wars. And we are just, we've already had Rod of the Hut in a fucking Star Wars movie before. The 2008 Clone Wars. So it's like we're just constantly recycling his old ideas and paving over the rest of Star Wars, frankly. I think we need Tony Gilroy or someone to come in and do a new movie, do a new, a new franchise that isn't going to be completely meddled with at every level by Dave Filoni.

Yeah, I think where it went too far for me, because again, like that purple guy, I know he's in rebels and whatever. I don't think that knowing any of that matters to the movie. Sure. It doesn't at all. His backstory doesn't matter. But like, that motherfucker has two separate cameos in this movie. Alfred Hitchcock, the one who directed movies, limited himself to one. So co-writer and producer and dude who didn't even direct this.

Why do I have two shots of you in this? Because let me into both times, both times, they rip you right out of this. Regardless of how much you're enjoying it. And clearly I enjoyed it more than you three. But like, even I was like, whoa, get that cowboy hat out of here. Like just ripped, like snatched right out of your own movie. The second-in-head-line. The second cameo should have him, like, coming back.

Oh, I forgot my hat. Well, he's in a fucking X-wing. It should have been like, he should have had a pork and just exploded. Because, like, yeah, he could either be at the bar in the beginning or be in an X-wing. You got one. I'm here to help, guys. I agree. Exactly.

We don't need to establish it because, again, like, because he's a character from the Clone Wars. We love that shit. I mean, like, and I think that the other thing I would hope that Disney learns is people don't care about the Clone Wars as much as Dave Volone wants you to think that they do. That maybe that's what the numbers are. They might actually. This is, this is the thing that I've been, this is what I've seen though and I've been wondering myself because there are all these people that are like, when are they going to learn? Nobody cares about the Clone Wars. I guarantee you there's a whole generation younger than us who really care about that stuff.

So I feel like it's your kind. Then why aren't it movies? Then why are what? in movies. Why aren't those people seeing this movie? Why is it getting stopped by a hundred and... I think the vast majority of the people that saw this movie are those dudes, frankly.

You know what I mean? That's fair. Honestly, I think the clone wars in the minds of people 30 and below is more important than the original trilogy or any other part of Star Wars. Anything new I would take. And I mean, to your point with the Faloni stuff, I think maybe

that's what he thinks, that's what you're supposed to do as a director of Star Wars now. is that that means you get to be in a Star Wars costume on screen. Because that's what, he got, Lee Isaac Chung is in there playing one of them. And, uh, Rick, yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, so that's just, oh, yeah, you're directing. Okay, the producers are actually going to make it, but you get to be in this cool X-Wing. How about that?

Yeah, it feels, Dave Filoni in this movie specifically, this movie entirely feels like a very expensive make a wish. Maybe he's dying. Somebody was just like, all right, well, We're going to do everything. We're going to give you Rotaw the Hut. We're going to do all this stuff. And you get to be in two scenes, big guy. Because the Rotta the Hut thing, I will just.

Rod it. Why bother? I could save the money. Don't get Jeremy Allen White. Why is Jeremy Allen White a scummy bartender? Why is it an imperial so-and-so? Why isn't he a hustler? Why is any number of things that Jeremy Allen,

you would love to watch him do, as opposed to sit in a a mocap suit and be completely disinterested and be like, I want to do, I hated it. I hated it so much. I really did. I wasn't a fan either. At the very least, I would like to see him in the gym

every once in a while. Like, get him in a big gym, not just that little one in the, you know, he's got to really pump to get that fucking pecks up. Look at that shit. I mean, it's weird. I'll say that. I don't think it needs to be Jeremy Allen White

because like the money, What do you, what the fuck are you doing? Lighting on fire. Yeah. Get any talented voice actor to do this. I thought it was interesting in the sense of like, I've seen morbidly obese huts my entire life. And I thought it was kind of cool that he only really looks this way

because he's been in this like fighting concentration camp and he's been forced to like exercise and shit. So like it's not a, it's not a vanity thing. It's like I just look like this because of my, you know, situation. But I did really. really like, and Chris, I know you had a lot of problems with the monsters here. I thought it was like a Ray Harry House and Wet Dream. I thought these things looked really cool.

I loved that whole fight. And then that sequence breaking out into the road chase in the city, I thought that was at least a decent sequence there. So like, I didn't despise all of it. But when I was like, oh, wait, he's going with them? Like he gets on. And I was like, no, that should just be. Oh, he's part of the movie.

Oh. And then I was kind of let down because I was like, there's more of this. And then by the end of the movie, he's getting a beer with people. And I was like, that's way too fucking far in the direction I was interested.

Purple guy is like, I'm going to get you an X-wing suit. And I'm like, okay, let's stop. Let's see what that looks like. We're going to set that up. I want to see it in this movie. I actually did kind of like the monster party there, Andrew.

And them getting out was fun. Seeing like that weird centipede go into a train, like a computer rail is fun. And I think the music throughout was, The score is awesome. I did not anticipate this kind of music in Star Wars. And it's, what's his name there? Ludwig.

Ludwig. Yeah. Just like, yeah, like synth beats in Star Wars. Yeah. I didn't, as soon as my ear heard it, I was like, uh-oh. But then as it played, I was like, oh, fuck, no, it works. So it's kind of like grooving along. It was great.

Yeah, the music was fantastic. Gorinsen. Yeah, there's that guy's name. I just never cared about the journey of Mendo and Grogu. And I just, and I haven't. You should. I have in the past. It's not even, it's not even, you should. That should be the one thing they get right is look, you care about what's happening to the little guy and the big guy, right? And you want them to get through this and you want them to be stronger, right? I didn't feel any of that shit. I didn't feel a fucking flick of it, any of it. And like, it's the only thing I asked from you and I just don't think they got it. Even in the whole like the old take care of the young and now the young take care of the old. All that dialogue free sequence, I thought. it was, I think it's quite special. It's all stuff that I've heard before with this group.

Like, it's not like, we're not moving it forward at all. Like, I feel like at a certain point, like, what is the aftermath of Grogu actually, like, having gone through the stuff with Luke and all that stuff? Like, if we're not going to deal with it in the show at that much, I want to feel it more in this at least, right? But isn't the after, I'm sorry, but like, isn't the aftermath what you see him doing throughout the entire movie? He's got a much stronger command on his.

force powers, he's doing stuff like, but you're not talking about it. Like, it's just kind of, you don't have to talk about it, dude. I am fine talking about. I don't mind if you're talking a little bit about something that's new to you. It's a new world that you have to Well, also keep in mind, this character doesn't speak, dude, so that's a little

bit of a part. That might be a thing where we need to sort of shitter get off the pot at some point. You want to get Jeremy Ellen White, get him talking to us a... I think the second this thing talks, it's game over. It's fucking game over because the voice sound will never satisfy everybody. They're never going to do that. He's just going to be eepin and ukin the whole time. I thought it was game over when D.H. Luke Skywalker grabbed him and started playing with him.

So I would bet you money, well, I'll bet you a dollar. That Grogu's going to be speaking English pretty soon. And we're going to have that to look forward to. I also, I love that the helmet was pretty much kept on. Pretty surprised about that, actually. until the end, yeah. Yeah, the body, the guy who plays that was Left Feet Crowder, he's amazing.

I just didn't care for the other two huts as villains of this movie. I did not. I thought that they were like... It's boring. They're very bad. They're just like, and then like there's a clone arm or a robot army at the end, and I was like,

this is... They were in Book of Obelphat. The Imperals was cool. I thought it was neat. You know what I mean? And like that, after that kind of less... I agree. The twins were in Book of Event, weren't they?

They were. They were. They were. They were. the Imperial Remnant stuff I did like. I like the idea of him just bounty hunting, grabbing people. That first sequence I liked.

I like that first sequence. All right. I feel like we could keep chatting about Star Wars. I guess we're known to gab a little bit about the galaxy far, far away here. But we got to keep going because we got another thing to talk about that I feel just from the chattered online was split in the room

a little bit. And I don't know if all four of us got to this, but it is the final season of the boys. Did we finish it? Everybody? finished it. I did not. Okay. Okay. So I don't want to spoil to. You don't go. Oh, you go spoil. You're out. Are you fully out? I do, I do not like this show. So you go

right ahead. I thought it was when the show came out in the first few years, and this is like Mandalorian again, it was fresh, it was exciting. It was good satirical content. And now I just felt, I feel like bored. And it took, it was like you're watching the news, dude. Yeah, maybe that's the problem. But it felt like a chore to get

through this season. I think some of it was chore-ish. I think like I kind of got tired of the joke structure of your cock's going to be on her cock and that cock's going to be bigger than that like that stuff like we could use a lot less of that. But I actually thought the the political kind of reflections of this season were really good in terms of like watching all of these people debase themselves and for no gain for this person, this strong man. that eventually will be toppled. And like everybody just like really just completely like and him being completely insane and wanting to be God and all that stuff.

I thought it was really like it felt very potent and very fresh and like a good way to sort of. And I actually liked the ending. I think I like the season quite a bit. But I did I did feel a little. I'm glad that this series is over and I will not be going into Vaught Rising or GenVee or any of that nonsense. This has been enough of the boys for me. I kind of feel like I'm at the end of the road also, cut to me next year talking about how I watched Vought Rising. But, you know, it wasn't the slog I was worried it was going to be.

Because this was one of those shows, I have this with some TV shows where I like them totally fine. But when the new season starts up, I'll be like, yeah, I'll get to it. And I'm not like, raring to go. But when I do start watching it, I do get into it. And I caught up with this pretty fast. I think I started watching it like a few days before the finale aired so I was really kind of playing catch up with it

didn't care for the little Gen V kids coming in there at the end that wasn't anything I needed but yeah just like the whole the track to where else would homelander go but thinking himself a god and doing this whole thing and the hunt for it hunt for the

V1 and all that I thought it was an interesting enough story and you know I I do appreciate it. Again, I don't want to spoil too much here. I know a lot of people have seen it already, but just all the same. I'll just try to play it safe.

But there's finality to this show in a big bad way. And I have to hand it to the show for doing that because especially like in this medium of superheroes and whatever else, like you don't find that often. Yeah. And there is some legit finality to this.

And the boys isn't a place where it's like, there is an alternate unit. universe and you know none of that so like I maybe I mean right that would be another layer of critiquing superhero things they could bring everyone back with a multiverse that's possible I'm just saying like for right now like those comics don't do that so at least the source material doesn't fuck around with that as far as I know and I think it's I mean like I again I think like politically it was pretty apt and so much so that like literally all the chuds are pretty upset about how that ended and you know what I mean like oh he wouldn't go out like that like you know blah blah blah

like really misreading what the show was the entire time right like and saying that it got too woke at the end it's always been it's been that way the whole time well you know the whole time here the problem though guys is now they're embarrassed because they bought the painting of the joker and tony soprano and homelander playing cards and now it looks weird oh so homelander should have gone out like Tony Soprano and just cut to black at the end of the boys. Now that's the way to do it. I think by the way also just fucking all-star. I think

he's been an all-star the whole show, but man Carl Urban kicks fucking ass. He's a lot of fun to watch. And this whole, this final arc with Bill the Butcher, I mean, I think he was great and just seeing him, you know, having just seen Mortal Kombat 2 a few weeks ago and him

just being Johnny Cage there and like such a different character than Bill the Butcher, which is such a different character than Bones McCoy, which is such a different character than Judge Dread. Like, this dude's fucking got it. And he should be in way more awesome places than he is currently. That's just... And I liked his ending there. I've seen some stuff like, apparently, like the Homelander story wraps up earlier in the comics and there's more time for the final act of Billy Butcher, kind of V, U.E. I could have seen like maybe, you know, pulling some of that

back and then there's a full episode of whatever that other thing was. I could see that. complaint for sure. Yeah. But overall, like, from the beats of it, the skeleton of story that I got, I really enjoyed it. I found it very satisfied. Yeah. You know what I didn't care for was?

And I, on the one hand, I kind of, I like the idea in theory because it's a cool way to nod to comic books. That one-offs episode. Yes, I like that a lot. Did you? Some of the stories in there, I was kind of like, I don't, well, I think what's her face? Firecracker.

her story about like how and like seeing what I'm like really putting the nail on the head of like these people say that they're religious that's pretty funny about firecracker yeah yeah but say that they're religious that you know what I mean have to you know no you can't actually believe in Christ and believe in this guy so you have to make your choice and those choices are pretty costly same thing with oh father and I love the scene of him he was great this season uh uh oh fucking what's his name uh from hamilton would you like... David Diggs.

Yeah, David Diggs. Yeah. Him and his conversation with Starlighter, Aaron Moriarty, when she's like, hey man, remember when we were at

those fucking religious camps growing up and this, that, and the other thing? Like, how do you parse that with your, like, love of the God

Homelander? And he's kind of like, uh, you know what I'm like, yeah, I really did appreciate all that stuff. It's like, how do you fucking debase yourself

this way? When I know you and I know who you are, and I know you don't actually think like this, and you're fucking, doing it for access and power and favors. And maybe it's a little obvious, and I think that's a totally fair critique if it's just too obvious for you.

And I get it. It is pretty obvious, pretty nail on the head. But I also think that, like, even talking about it at all is good at this moment. So that's where I'm, I'll land. No, exactly.

I mean, like, between this and Daredevil Born again, like you can qualify them, like, you know, put him under shit. I'm genuinely surprised made it to television this year. That's a good enough place to leave it. But, you know, as always, we got all these big streamer shows and wide release motion pictures.

But sometimes a movie comes out and that motherfucker is going to trickle through the cracks. And that's where we come in with a segment we like to call Secret Movie. All right. Eric Siska, tell us all about brothers under fire. Okay. And this will be quick. I promise. Who are the brothers?

All I see is one guy in the poster. Where's the other brothers? The guy you see in the poster there is Kiefer Sutherland, okay? And now he's like a 60-year-old soldier in the military in this. Still active military? Yes. And his brothers are, you know, the little platoon boys he's got. Oh, not others.

Because he's got like some Sutherland brothers floating around. Right, but not here. Right. So you'd be surprised to know that this movie, could you put that poster up again real quick? Look at this. Oh, yeah. Hang on a second.

Let me get it. No worries. I cannot believe that this is not right-wing. is that right shocks yes because that should be on the post right under brothers and the fire not right way it's probably the complaint that most people have about it that's what you should start you know what you should start another a studio called devil studio just to make sure you're on the other side of angels at all times just make sure like I'm not that one okay I'm the other guy but Chris if it's an angel studios one to one you

still have to have like angel studios level actors but they just got devil studios politics. Wait, wait, how about this? Instead of sound of freedom, it's freedom of sound, and it's about you follow the guy trafficking the kids. Hell yeah. Oh, it's like the complete opposite. Oh, so it's like the fucking not in a valley of violence.

What's the not a violent year in a violent nature? You're like that guy. Right, you just follow that guy around. You're putting zip ties on the car. Just slowly following him. So no, this movie. the brothers are these kids that are in the army or whatever and one of them doesn't have u.s. citizenship and gets it through this mission question mark okay so it's a big celebration let's

i'm getting married let's go to my wedding in Mexico and this is sort of where it becomes right wing a little bit a bit a bit there's a little there's a streak to it so uh the cartel is obviously taking over the town and then now the brothers come under fire from the cartel it takes 40 minutes to get to the wedding. It takes like 50 for this guy to be shot. I guess I'm spoiling a little bit of this film for everyone. Well, this is all in the trailer that I watched for this. Don't worry about it. So much of it is in Spanish

that I know some angry dads were curling up their newspaper or whatever. The print newspaper that they have. And still read. It's very boring. It's not a good movie. There is a great moment where Kiefer Sutherland does snap a neck

and then the movie deflates again for a long time but eventually you know despite Alberto's passing there is a happy ending there for his wife and child so that's nice there you go

CGI blood or squibs what are we talking or not not even or not Apple I think it was mostly CG or then you see a bang and you cut to like the muscle of the gun flash, I think, was

CG, and then you, like, cut to them with, like, I'm bleeding. That kind of... That's how you can get around. Yeah, I got. It's no, like, full-on squib. Oh, that's what you want. That's what you want, but you don't get it. And that's why you shouldn't rent Brothers Under Fire. If they're actually bleeding, though, I'll take that.

Over than seeing the CGI spurts, I'll see the nice blood coming out. I'm pretty sure that's how it's handled that it's not... It's not CGI blood spurts, but it's not a lot either it's not a lot of blood out of this movie was uh directed by justin chadwick and i just think it's funny because this is like a you know run and gun kind of whatever he's the guy who directed things like the other belin girl mandela long walk to freedom and tulip fever yeah i think that

there is a world where it's just like hey man your careers in the toilet you want to make a bad action movie yeah go ahead yeah totally here here you're gonna do this movie keifer or i'm going to Sutherland for this next. And if Keith isn't into it, Kyle Sutherland's going to be and we're going to just go down the line until I find someone who says yes to me. So there's it's Keefe, Kiefer

and Keefeist as well. Don't remember that. Also will work. He fist is just a university professor though. He doesn't act much. So yeah, don't, it's not good. I'm actually, I didn't even look up the director and that's genuinely shocking to me. Oh, but that is,

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I do love this picture of Spielberg directing them here. I wanted to put that in the promo part. also I didn't point it out on the Masters Universe top left hand corner Skeletor getting his makeup redone Oh that's good And I love this picture because it's Skeletor

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