We Hate Movies - S16: On-Screen Live TIFF 2025: New Films Featuring Dwayne Johnson, Bob Odenkirk, Bill Skarsgård, Anya Taylor-Joy, Lee Byung-hun & More!

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Our On-Screen Live coverage of the 2025 Toronto International Film Festival has Andrew, Eric & Chris breaking down new films from Gus Van Sant (Dead Man's Wire), Paul Greengrass (The Lost Bus), Alex Winter (Adulthood), James Vanderbilt (Nuremberg), Park Chan-wook (No Other Choice), Ben Wheatley (Normal), Benny Safdie (The Smashing Machine) & more! We're talking about some of the films that just might be gracing people's year-end lists in a few months, but we're also talking about performances that could be bound for Hollywood's Biggest Night, includes turns from Russell Crowe (Nuremberg) and Dwayne Johnson (The Smashing Machine)—no, really! On-Screen Live will return Monday, September 29th with our coverage of this year's New York Film Festival! Be sure to pick up our digital show on Terminator: Dark Fate, available now in our Patreon shop! Don’t sleep on snagging your tickets to our 15th Anniversary show this December where we’re talking all things Arnold in Total Recall! It’s gonna be a gas and we wanna see you there! Click through for tickets now! Throughout 2025, we’ll be donating 100% of our earnings from our merch shop to the Center for Reproductive Rights. So head over and check out all these masterful designs and see what tickles your fancy! Shirts? Phone cases? Canvas prints? We got all that and more! Check it out and kick in for a good cause! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

Thank you. I don't know. Oh, what is going on one and all. Welcome to On Screen Live. My name is Andrew Jupe and I'm here alongside two other buds of mine whose asses are still numb from sitting in movie theater seats for a week. We have, of course, Eric Siska. Oh, yes. We'll be talking about the film festival today.

I can't wait. What's the accent you're doing? What is that? It's my pretentious accent. Oh, we go to the film festival, we talk like this, of course. we did we dress up we do have very best peter bangdonovitch voices that's why you had those ascots on every day okay now i'm now i understand i was kind of you know a little weirded out by that but you know good style and of course everybody's favorite dumb assot chris kavin hello there

everybody how are you how are you i'm good i've been so we um we had a time in toronto it was nice getting up to canada last week um kind of crazy that's already been a week since well this was like, I guess, our last full day a week ago in Toronto, we came back on Tuesday, but it was awesome. We got to hang with some buds up there, of course, Josh Lewis and Jamie Miller of the Sleez-Oids podcast

where our men on the ground or Canadian buds on the ground in Toronto spent a lot of time with them watching movies. Yeah, it's a great festival. If you've ever thought about attending, there's tons of, you know, ticketed things. You can go see stuff. The city's alive. It's hopping.

There's good food. There's good cocktails. Eric and I figured that out the hard way. There's a lot of smart movies that we'll be discussing. So many smart movies. I'm so jealous of your ascot, dude, by the way. It looks awesome. I just bought a lot of them.

I don't know why. I don't know when I'll ever wear them. But maybe this is going to start happening. You know what? Whatever, dude. We've got like the new Cravent here. We're going to be doing a lot more video stuff. I got a feeling those ascots, they're just getting warmed up.

Oh, yes. Horror does not allow for much of the ascot wear. Like, you don't get dressed up for horror, I feel like. Oh, is that right. It is right. It is right. I guess you haven't watched any of these elevator horror movies. Oh, Elevator.

Did you say elevator? Elevator. Yes, he certainly did. The lift, if you will. Lifted. Yeah. Elevator horror. It's going down.

No, Chris, of course, you're missing one, man. The, like, the godfather of horror, Vincent Price, that dude never met an ascot he didn't love. I guess that's true. I mean, yeah, he's dead and all, but yes. He's dead at all. Well, someone's got to take it up. Someone in the chat saying Bruce Campbell wears ascots. Is that true? Oh, good for him. That's a nice transition. I like that. Speaking of which in the chat, of course, hello y'all in there. Good Bud's Busyrus 87, T.J. Cain's John Carrot, James Harris, G.B. A.O.P.W. Figures. I'm so Rachel dash Coom, Jake Wardlow,

our good friend of the talented artist, Felipe Cervorro, in the chat, of course. The comfy panda, love that. Welcome in, y'all. Welcome in. Come on in. We got 10 movies that we're going to talk about. So, you know, we should say, we tried to see as much as we could

together. Eric and I saw a bunch together. Chris Cabin, you're a fucking lone wolf man, you go off and you do your own thing, but also Chris Cabin, struck down by a bit of the tummy bug this trip to Toronto. So the day I got in, I ate a sandwich and then I had a sandwich in the morning. One of these two sandwiches is to blame for me getting like taken down for at least one full

day. It actually ultimately only made me miss like two movies I had on my list because I got to see no other choice later. They put in a second screening for it. So I did get to see it finally. But I only actually lost like two movies out of this. So I was kind of happy with that. Well, you know, there's a problem of eating a sandwich. Now, that is a very, very small person type of food. Do you understand? This is the cigarettes finally catching up to you, huh? This is how the...

I don't smoke. Steve Sadek smokes. Sure. I smoke when he smokes, which I'm never around him, so it's fine. I was seeing something in the chat hoping we talk about one of the movies up there. T.J. Gaines says they just want to hear about the John Candy Doc. None of us saw it. It's, you know, you kind of knew exactly it was going to be.

And not to say that that's bad. It's just, you know, you got to plan your Tiff watching accordingly. So, yeah, I'm sure that's going to be on TV. And listen, good response. And nothing against the movie or Colin Hanks or anything like that. I skipped it. It sounded too sweet for my taste. Didn't want to be crying in the theater, Muffy.

No, no, no. No sugar with your tea. That's right. Yeah, T.J. Gaines pointing out with the joke we were making. all the time up there when Chris was sick. Homer, are you still eating that giant sandwich? Yes, that's, we went right to it. Don't worry about that.

Oh, someone else pointing out, Fred Rogers, Mr. Rogers himself, also Warren Ascot. I think that's the Scooby guy. Yes, oh, that Fred Rogers. Yes, the animated Fred Rogers did. Nice, yeah. American Broadcasting Hero, Mr. Rogers, I don't think. Sweaters only.

Sweater man. Just a plain old sweater man. A bit of a sweater man. So, oh, and T.J. Gaines points out, Amazon Prime is releasing the John Candy film on 1010. So there you go. You can find out for yourself. It's already coming. Yes. And by the way, you should watch this on video. YouTube.com. Hit that live button and check it out. Because you know, you're missing a ask car. I got an accent.

Where's the accent? What happened to the accent? Oh, well, you can't, dude. Come on, Chris. You can't call him out on it. I have to. Come on. I thought that. was his voice now. Oh, all right. We were just having fun at the top of the show. I will speak normally now. You see, I'm a bit of a secret agent, Chris. I have many personalities. Because we saw a movie about that. That is right. The new one from Kleber Mendonza Fijo, the secret agent, Felipe, I know you just fucking cringed at how I pronounce this great director's name. So in the chat, spell it out phonetically, buddy, how I can say this dude's name appropriately. But yes,

This is the guy, of course, the director of Baccarow from 2020 or so. And then he, of course, had the Great Doc, which sort of plays into this movie, Pictures of Ghosts, which we caught it in New York Film Festival a few years ago. Chris Cabin, this is one of the few that you actually saw with me and Eric, so take it away, a little capsule description of what this movie's about. I mean, this is about a man who is in a little bit of a hot soup with the powers that be in Brazil. um yeah in the 1970s in the 1970s one of the we found out what the year is it 1977 1977 the magic year of movies at tiff yes yeah there's like five movies there's like five movies at tiff

that take place in 1977 big year i guess um but in brazil he goes back uh to hopefully get his son who's been staying with uh his uh his grandparents right for leaving the country and hopefully hopefully finding political asylum elsewhere. This all swarms around what is happening while that is happening, what caused him to live this kind of life. And also there's a jump to the future every once in a while to show you how his legacy has panned out in the long term. I think it's kind of his biggest movie.

If you've been following this guy for a while, neighboring sounds as a very modest movie, but an incredible movie. pictures of ghosts similar this and back are are the two that i'm like wow this guy has a lot to do this guy's got the jews quite a lot it's it's good it's very good but uh i ted issue with the jumps to the future which is the present time you got this 70s intrigue kind of movie and then you jump ahead of into into the now now and it's like podcast girlies trying to figure it out and it just it kind of it kind of forced myself

it forced me from liking it completely I liked it a lot there's Udo Kiers in it which I always love but I just couldn't get with that framing device really I kind of agree with you Eric

and I think if it was more used as just like a coda at the end of it someone's been researching this true crime tale the whole time and then you're just kind of out but like the winging back and forth and I was just I was so keyed into like

the 70s stuff and he does a great job of getting stuff like period appropriate yeah that kind of took me out of it but I loved the connection to pictures of ghosts like again his love of his hometown and the way that he puts it on film here once again and if you remember that doc right he talks about you know being a kid

and knowing that one projection to work at the theater and he was like a squat little fat old man and there's like a dude in this movie kind of playing that guy which i thought was kind of nice um so it's sort of like it it yeah i don't know it's a it's a really cool i think it's kind of a cool movie but yeah that that whole the forward the forward stuff not working for me i i will stick up for the forward stuff i do think it's his it makes his point all the more at the end of the movie that like even in this time of political turmoil, you were allowed to go and fantasize in the movies.

You were allowed to do that. And where at the end of what we find out, the movie theater is now a blood bank. And like, that just tells you everything you think, you know. To me, it didn't dilute it. It kind of like separated it from just being nearly genre. Like, I know

this guy can do just genre. That's essentially what I think Fokkara is. A great example of it, but like, it is pure, it feels more purely genre than this one does. This, I feel like, he is trying to reach back and see like this stuff you know it does go forward like it's not like this stuff stops at the end of the time period in which you see it right there are effects of it that go way down the line and i actually i didn't think it came up that much like the the girls

listening to the research uh tapes there was like i felt like maybe three scenes it didn't bother me that much i guess yeah um should say also i believe this is brazil's submission uh for the academy Awards, you know, could be something. It's picked up here by Neon, so they are no stranger to winning Academy Awards, but they're also no strange. I mean, awards, whatever, they're great at all. Speaking of which, Emmys last night, congratulations to our Bud Baudsie Boyd, winning an Emmy for directing on the Colbert show. One last, one last rodeo for those dudes. That was very cool to see. But yeah, no, besides awards, you know, Neon just knows how to release a movie. So they are going to get this movie out here.

You know, like I have down there, it's limited on 1126. It will expand the 5th of December. So look out for this one. It's, it's really good. This guy is a really great filmmaker. I'm kind of now like, I thought it was going to happen after Backaround, but it did. And he went back, you know, to Brazil and made this documentary. Now he's made this other movie in Brazil. Also, Aquarius is another great movie. Really good. Yeah. I'm kind of curious, like, if this is the one, it's like, okay, you got neon. here it's a big push

if he does he starts working with American actors that'd be kind of interesting to see if he gets pushed into that yeah I can wait to see his Marvel movie well no I'm not saying that I don't know yeah seriously I would love to see a trajectory of like a you know I've liked a lot of Bong Joon Ho's English language stuff so like that kind of a

direction yeah not a not Chloe Zhao right to Marvel movies you know small filmmaker small movies just different actors that's all but yeah it was that was like one of the first things we saw uh at the fest i think it was second day and it i was still okay i was not fit yet you had yet to uh get that egg salad sandwich disaster um yeah so next one this was just um myself and uh eric caught this guy i think our uh

do we watch this with the sleizodes boys i can't remember um the new one from romaine gavras uh here sacrifice Yes, I believe we saw it with Josh of Slezoids. Yeah, this is, my review is Volcano of Sadness. So if you liked Triangle of Sadness, here's that again, but I think better done than triangle. Yes, no, I totally agree. I think, yeah, Volcano of Sadness is a great way to put it. It is like, you know, another sort of like poking at the rich and powerful,

trying to do good things in the world. It is just really quickly about an environmental summit that's happening in Greece and an eco-terrorism group sort of takes over the affairs and kidnaps three of the people participating in the summit, one of which is Chris Evans as this kind of like Hollywood washout guy, like used to be a big deal, and then he had like a public flub, and now he's trying to make this comeback as like a guy who's doing. you know good with his platform and he's just like a dufous actor in a way he's really good in it i you know yeah yeah throughout this festival there's there's uh actors who've surprised me and this

is one of them because he's charming and affable and he is sort of lampooning his own fame like he was an actor in the octavius series it's sort of like a superhero thing yeah um uh he's paired up with the echo terrorist uh on uh almond taylor joy and And she's good, too. But, like, there's certain, it's not perfect by any means, I don't think, this film. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's perfect, but it's definitely better than Triangle of Sadness in the sense, too, that I felt with Triangle of Sadness, I think I maybe liked it a little more than you, but it felt like that movie was pumping the brakes every 10 minutes so people, like, in the movie could stop and look at the camera and be like, does everybody remember what this movie is about? Yes, exactly. And that's, like, kind of just like his deal,

Ostland, but this is like a little more, they set it up, you get, you get what the idea is, but then the movie just gets to go. And because it's not stopping, it actually gets to go to some more interesting places than I feel triangle of sadness goes, and it's not trying to like,

are you paying attention? This is what it's about. This is what I'm saying. You know, it's not, it's not that at all. It's very funny. Vincent Cassell is playing like, like a Jeff Bezos-esque.

Yeah, like a Bezos Just a billionaire Apple. Who's the Who's the Apple dude that's dead? Jobs. Steve, yeah, because he's doing like a black collar shirt thing. He got a new job, I heard. Pushing up daisies.

Yeah, pushing. Excellent. That dude's been dead for 10 years, but sure. That's why I could say it. You know, it's enough time has passed. We can have a little levity in our lives again. Can I ask you have either of you seen a Romaine Gavros

son of Costa Gavros. Have you seen his movies before? I have not Chris. Have you? Let me see. I'd seen a couple because I thought I thought this would go straight to Netflix because they did Athena, his last one. Yes. But I've been following. The Kassell thing struck me because one of his first movies, if not his first movie,

our day will come, which is about a revolution of gingers. Quite something. It has Vincent Kinsell. he's like the big star of it oh yeah well uh cassel was also in um as he as the world is yours that's another one of his movies that sounds right yes cassel's great in it he's um married to salmahyik in the movie he's like sort of hosting the big event that's going on it goes to some really interesting places and i think ultimately what the movie's doing is sort of it's govras saying

like hey established older rulers of this society like you may look and an idea that, like, the youth has as to how to fix things. And you may think it's stupid, but it's actually the right thing to do. It just so happens that I feel, I'm reading this message through a story about these eco-terrorists believing that if they throw three people into a volcano, they will close it and seal it and prevent the world from ending, right? But it's this notion of like, oh, my God, that's so crazy. You think you could stop the volcano by throwing people into it?

Will that work? you know, whatever. And it's, so I think it's, he's using the film to say something kind of cool. And it looks great. You got, dude, you got an 11th hour John Malcovich in this movie. Yeah. Looking, looking glorious, man. Sort of underutilized, but it was nice to see him all the same. Yes. Yeah. No, I need, um, I need at least like 10 minutes more Malcovich in this movie. Uh, but, you know, overall, very watchable, not too long. It's under two hours. Says what it has to say. looks real pretty while it's doing it got some great performances um i'm gonna be looking to it because charlie xx does a whole musical number oh i i could i could see you hating it

chris so really i'm very look very curious of your thought i am looking for a reason to like chris evids again after sitting through materialists i'm i'm really i'm scrambling baby so i if if he's doing good i'd like to see it it's worth it for him i think but uh i was sort of just i It was just okay with the film. Yeah, I think, yeah, regardless how you feel overall about, like, the success of it, I think even folks I've been reading on Letterbox who didn't like it, I think people are still saying, like, look, Evans is actually still good in the movie. And it is nice because I do like, because I think it's probably the most interested I've been

him doing a non-Steve Rogers thing since Knives Out, maybe, which he's also, he's really great in, but like, you know, that the Captain America has sort of just consumed his career. so it is cool to see him excel in other areas. Oh, also want to highlight him because he's very funny and it's a pretty decent-sized role. Playing his agent or manager or whatever is Sam Richardson, that dude continues to be a 10 out of 10. He's so freaking funny in the movie.

I love that guy. Yeah, so this one, kind of interesting. I was surprised going into it. No U.S. distribution. Yeah. But, you know, someone will pick this up. It's too stacked of a cast and it looks too good for someone to, you know, not pick it up at some point and try to try to make some money off it. As far as like if it's some sort of award show contender thing, I don't think so.

You know I was kind of getting the vibe of Chris. What was the movie last? I believe it was last year. I believe it played New York Film Festival was a big deal. Sort of end times kind of rich people thing. And it was a musical. Oh, the end. Yes.

this sort of has vibes of not the movie itself but like as far as where it could go which is to say kind of nowhere so keep your eyes peeled for it I don't know who went on the end I might be wrong on that

I don't I don't recall who wound up having it in the end I also never wound up seeing it something I did wind up seeing though and man Chris bummer you fucking miss this one dude we are talking Motor City this is a this is a wild new

movie starring of course Alan Richson. You know him better as Reacher. And this is, I'd never heard of this director before, Potsi Panicroly, but he's done a couple of interesting looking movies, but this is the latest one. And this is a movie that falls into

a new budding subgenre that overall I have not been crazy about, or at least maybe 50-50, but we're talking, of course, these dialogue-free movies or mostly dialogue. free movies. So there was that

the Caitlin Deaver movie from a couple years ago where she's running around and a bunch of bleep-clops trying to get her and she doesn't talk at all through that. There was the animated film with the robot and the dog. Robot Dreams, I think it was called. Beautiful version of

this. So this is, it's Alan Richson doing this. He plays a guy who is just off jail. He just got his parole finished up. New man he's got a babe by his side. They're just engaged to be married.

That's Shailene Woodley is playing the fiancé there. And wouldn't you know it, he gets framed for having drugs in his car by a scumbag detective played by Pablo Schreiber. And it just sort of destroys his world. He goes to jail. It's a whole revenge tale. It's so good. I got to say it's like a giant music video.

I could see people either really vibing with it or really not vibing with it. I've vibed with it. It's got incredible violence. Some of the best on-screen kills I've seen in a long, long time. I was just totally locked in on this one. And I'm a reacher fan of that. This is going to be definitely a new. Your dad's going to be throwing a beer can at the TV watching this one.

That's how good it is. It is. Yeah, dude, actually, I think Eric, saying that it's like a feature-length music video is the way to position it so people, can like go in and like watch it the right way almost because also we should say the needle drops in this movie are all curated by jack white which is amazing who has a cameo in the film yes yes he does he's tickling the ivories at one point always neat seeing him pop up in a movie but um yeah it is just it is a non-stop ride like once it gets going you're in it i was in it

and I didn't mind the violence or the well I didn't mind the violence I would surprise if you did can you imagine me like oh my god it was so violent oh it was gross he got shot right in the teeth no but the

the what was I going to say oh the lack of dialogue did not bother me because the movie it actually it does its best to sort of make it as believable as possible right so like in that Caitlin Dever movie which is well made but like I just found it so preposterous

that no one was running around going there's fucking aliens oh my God there's fucking aliens because you would be doing that right but she's just like running around and aliens are chasing her and she's like like it's very cartoonish this is like someone's getting yelled at by their superior at the police station and a door closes

you know what I mean so like they're talking but you don't hear it they do their best to get around it so it doesn't appear as goofy as it could. Yeah, you see people talking. You just don't hear it exactly. Okay. So that was, that's one of my question. Because is it that, is it just he's quiet? Or is it that the whole world is quiet? The whole world.

It's one of those no dialogue movies. There's like eight or ten lines maybe in the movie, more so towards the end. But I found it to be effective. When someone does say something, you kind of sit up in your seat. Yeah. I was going to say, one of that I saw that you guys didn't see

the Furious has a deaf guy. as the Mao Shi from the eye for an eye movies is the main guy doesn't say anything throughout the movie Joe Taslam comes in and is kind of the guy who talks but that world otherwise is very loud but oh yeah yeah no this is this is one of those like there's purposely no dialogue in it

we're kind of gotcha it's all just like visual storytelling and I have to say funny enough speaking of Eric you saying you're Reacher fan I went into this movie having not seen Reacher and I you know looking at his filmography like I think I'd seen Alan Ritchson him very little or like just like tiny roll like he's got a tiny

role in catching fire a hunger games movie he's got a tiny role in in fast X well I learned through like watching Motor City and being like what else he's been in besides Jack Reacher the TV show turns out he played Raphael in those Michael Bay Turtles

movies oh no he did mocap and voice apparently oh boy that's so crazy Raphael so crazy but so I was like unaware of him really as a main stage actor and I didn't see the Guy Ritchie movie

the gentlemanly warfare whatever it was so I went into this and I was like holy crap like he is such an expressive actor like that face man like he doesn't need to be saying anything in this movie and what I kept thinking about was how like if you had

more dialogue in the script for a movie like this for the story that you're telling we'd probably all be sitting here like Oh, well, it's just another revenge crime movie. It's filled with some of the worst, like, stock dialogue you've ever. Because, like, it is a, they put me in jail and framed me, and he took my lady, and now I'm going to get revenge. So it's like, it's very stock in that way.

But the way that the story unfolds, because he's not like, I'm going to get revenge on Ben Foster. Like, he has to use his face and he uses these great expressions. And, like, he is just such a hulking motherfucker. Like, my God. Yeah. He's, we're one of the biggest dudes I've ever seen in a movie that's not Andre the Giant. Like, it's wild. If this movie's a hit, if people love this type of thing, I think this could cement him as like the next Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Let's get this guy breaking necks in big budget movies. Hell yeah, dude. Absolutely. And to the, the Reacher thing also, I went back to the hotel, one of the nights we were there after talking about this movie or whatever. And I started watching Reacher. Dude, Reacher is awesome. The first season of Reacher is so fucking good. And that's what I'm in right now.

Yeah. Kind of suck. The third one's okay. The third one's better, but the second I thought was quite a nose dive. But one is great and three I'll take. True detective lineage, you know, that's how it goes. But yeah, so no distribution on this, which is kind of wild. You know, I'm thinking about this could have been like an easy sort of pickup for A24.

to kind of put out but you know I don't know because I was thinking didn't they have the Ben Wheatley Free Fire movie which this sort of reminded me of a little bit but in any case keep your eyes peeled for Motor City you know who knows what's gonna happen

put out old Henry which is the only other movie I know this guy directed oh that's the one with Tim Blake Nelson it's like kind of a western not a bad movie actually pretty fun it's pretty fun yeah and then he had something else

that actually kind of looked oh yeah he had something that looked pretty decent actually from just last year greedy people with uh j g l and um i believe it's uh hamish patel is in the movie too um yeah it's the two of them lily james uzo adoba tim blake nelson again simon rex jim gaffigan it's a very nice cast pretty huge cast and i was like where did this movie go last year like 24 i'm looking at it on letterbox like what the heck happened like nobody has seen this movie unless it's like was it buried and people can't see it i've no idea but like none of my none of my friends like on letterbox or anything have seen it so i don't know i don't know what the deal is but anyway uh this is a really coolly directed movie it is just needle drops and action

and big beef cacery you know and shailene woodley and ben foster too as uh you know reacher's wife and Reacher's nemesies, respectively. They're great. Ben Foster freaking terrifying, man. And like, you know, the way you get around like not having dialogue for every scene, it's like

Ben Foster visits him in jail and looks at his handcuffs and goes, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're in jail. Yeah, so good. Really, really cool movie. Keep your eyes pealed before it. All right, we got to keep going here. We got some more movies to get to.

next one. It's another one, Chris Cabin. We all saw together. It's the new one from Park Chan Wook, my friend. No other choice if you want to take it away on this one. I mean, this is, I mean, classic Park Chan Wook territory. This man, he has a very nice job at a paper company that he loses, which kind of destabilizes his entire world. His house is going to go up for sale. his marriage is kind of on the rocks he's getting distant from his children so he's kind of panicking to find a way to get a new job and to become

the best candidate for a job and the best way he knows how to do that is to kill the two guys who are definitely better and more suited for his exact position before going into a job a big interview for a

it sounds like the last paper company on earth from the way he costs about it dude yeah I don't know what is going on with like the paper industry in South Korea or whatever but it is they could have called this movie like the last factory or something like I've got no idea but whatever the stakes of this yeah

but it's it's I mean anybody who likes Park Chenwick stuff this is classic I mean he is doing exact you Andrew you rightly called it his The Trouble with Harry it's very funny and clumsy that's something that I don't think he's really

played with before is how clumsy this character is and how like I mean, it's brilliant because he's like, being a murderer is a foolish endeavor. It's a stupid thing to do. You're going to make an ass out of yourself before you even get into the morals of the thing. You look like an idiot. And honestly, that's great. I think that's a brilliant idea.

Like, it really does underline to me how useless violence is to me. But I know you guys were over the moon for it too. Yeah. You know, it's like a little like Hitchcockian with the murder plot, but so much calm. comedy as well. I really, really loved it. I think it's one of my favorite of the year. Yeah, no, same with me. Yeah, it's like, I've always gotten, you know, he does, he's got big Hitchcock vibes in most of his movies. I mean, even Stoker's based on the same book as Shadow of a doubt, I believe. So that's always kind of been there. And yeah, because of the integration of this

really dark, goofy comedy, I was like, oh, this is like, if it's Hitchcock vibes and goofy dark comedy like it's his trouble with Harry which if you haven't seen that check it out Shirley McLean's film debut really fun little movie but the guy playing this this family man here is Lieb Young Hun of course

from I saw the devil in Squid Game and I think he's in one of those G.I. Joe movies or something I have a niece and that's how I saw this movie he is the big devil in K-pop demon hunters the Netflix movie. Is he? Oh okay. He's

big bad guy he voices the big bad guy in it so i mean yes this dude is massive everywhere in korea but uh yeah no i i really loved this movie i really love standing online uh listening to a woman the next day who would just like completely missed it like everything we said about like you know it's intentionally goofy to highlight the stupidity of you know murder and and violence and things like that and this lady was just like i just didn't understand why he was trying to kill you people and why was he just falling all over the place? He falls down a hill in the movie. I was like, wow, were you like in the bathroom for half of it?

Like, who, some of the things you hear online in a film festival, by the way. More people need to fall down hills and movies in general. I love seeing a nice hill fall, you know? Hell yeah, dude. Get falling, get tumbling. Why doesn't he just get another job? Why does he get a better job? He's trying.

No, I did that thing. It's so easy to get a job. Anybody can. By the way, I have to go home to my second mansion. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely getting vibes like that from this lady. Because the movie's also a critique of capital. So it's, of course, someone snooty might not like it. Even though I do, even though I'm very snooty and smart.

Yes. Yeah, so even though, you know, he was just banished from the WGA because of that Robert Downey Jr. miniseries that he did, Park Chanwick still directing a great movie. year and this is um it's coming out from neon again christmas day limited and then it's going to expand in january of next year so you know they're going to be doing a massive push for international feature for this um i would be curious to see because it's so similar in so many interesting ways right it's like you've got the violence factor you've got the comedy you've got the south

Korea of it all. You have the capitalism critique. Like, will they try to push this as like a, you know, successor to Parasite? Like, hey, all you Oscar nominators, right? You like Parasite. Look at this one. Like, it would be cool to see this movie rise out of just the international feature category. Lots of similarities between this and Parasites. So I can definitely do them do that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so where are we here? We got one more before we're going to take a quick break here. But we'll do the new one from Paul Greengrass. ass. This one is called the Lost Bus

like a Matthew McConaughey right there. He is the bus driver. Yeah, this is, I think it's coming out funny enough like in theaters maybe, yeah, like this Friday, limited it's an Apple movie. So it'll be on the platform 10.3.

This is a, based on true events of the Paradise Fires in California back in 2018, Matthew McConaughey plays a down on his luck. school bus driver who moves back to his hometown of paradise for family stuff takes a job as a bus driver wouldn't you know it is just a few weeks on the job when the fires break out and he is tasked with picking up a group of kids from a school and bringing them to like the safety location

winds up also taking a teacher with him played by a really great america ferrera and it is just this intense journey down the mountain we're driving around you know hell itself outside side. We did split on this one, Eric. I liked it more than you did. You really enjoyed it. You think it's one of the best of the year. I did not like it. I felt like I was trapped on the bus with these 20 screaming kids. That's a problem. I also think greengrass is style. It's kinetic and interesting in an action movie. But here I was wanted to vomit in the theater with this one. It's just like I was describing it as like the Blair Witch Project in a forest fire, which sounds way cool. cooler than this actually is. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, because I think what, what winds up happening with the greengrass style and like the handheld docu approach or whatever is, yeah, you are trapped on this bus and it just makes it so claustrophobic. Like you, yeah, are in this bus a good chunk of the movie. And yeah, so that it will be diminishing returns if, you know, stylistically, you can't

kind of get on board with this so I totally get that for sure um I think like in other greengrass movies I've sort of been like oh the style isn't working for me here so I can totally see it not working other places but I thought man this is the best I've seen McConaughey in a really long time like possibly since interstellar maybe like I thought he was really into it in America Ferreira too really good I think um and also the the nice thing is you do get a little bit of an escape from being on the bus the whole time because we have a cast of like first responders on the other side of it all trying to figure out like where's the bus what's going on with the fires and everything so you actually have a really great supporting role from yule vasquez as like the fire chief and yul

vasquez is like a great character actor and just him in this movie man like he plays the guy who has to be like we're not going to beat this fire you know it is not a it's not a you know putting out a fire mission anymore. It is like a rescue people and find the dead mission. And he's the dude that has to like weigh in on that. So he's really great. I also wanted to highlight Ashley Atkinson, great character

actor. She's popped up in a bunch of things. I think she's on that Gilded Aid show maybe. She plays like the dispatch woman, Ruby the dispatch lady who works for the bus company. And she is like really really given a performance here. She's the one

who's got a like the parents all coming to her like where's the bus driver where's the you know what's going on and she really kills it too so overall i think it's really good it is unfortunate that it's so little time in theater because i think this is a thing if it works for you at all it will work for you on a big screen a little bit of a tougher sell on a television i just have to say i would think so i wish we knew more about those characters i feel like america ferrera you don't really know much about at all with mcconi it's just like oh man i got this kid i got a kid that's yelling at me and it's like the whole like fuck you dad i hate you dad and then you go from that screaming to

the bus screaming well i just said i was it was a terrible tragedy don't put me on the side of fire okay sure put me on that side i was gonna say it's interesting that he returned because his last movie paul gringress's last movie was actually an abandonment of that style uh news world is not made like that news of the world yeah that's the tom hanks movie right yes it's a classic western or Lisa is trying to be. But, like, this is the first time he's done this since the July 22nd movie. Oh, yes. Back in 2018.

Yes, the school shooting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know, the thing, I totally get it to you, right? Like, yeah, they are giving a lot of, like, and here's how I messed up my life, you know? And you're kind of just like, all right. Like, I've heard this, like, Pat speech from these characters, you know. he's doing the whole like my fucked up my life man i gotta come home and i never got to apologize to my dad who died you know so like he's doing that it's like dust bowl okey vibes and then she's

doing like this oh i've always been so scared to leave the town of paradise i've never traveled anywhere if we get out of here i'm going on vacation and you're just like all right again i kind of heard all this also you're kind of just doing sandra bullock and speed at this point there is a little Yes, like you got to drive the bus for a little bit. But instead of speed, it's slow since they're at a traffic jam the entire time. Yes. So yeah, you know, do with that what you will. I feel like most people will stream it.

I don't know what kind of like reach this theatrical is going to do. I think probably going to be pretty limited. So 10.3 might be the case for that. So take a quick break here. We got five more movies to give you. our thoughts on but first you know just wanted to point out as of right now folks as of the month of september we've got a new uh patreon tier that is alive and it is well it is called the craven it is a video centric tier now uh if you sign up for it you do get all the audio stuff um

that we release literally everything but also you get these two new shows the first of which is debuting tomorrow night on patreon that's right we hate movies after dark now we've been talking about this for a little bit. This is a new show we're doing. It's basically an AMA style. We're just a in your cues. You know what I mean? If you're familiar with our after party Q&As from the old moment shows that we've done, it's that, but for patrons. Yes, we're shooting the breeze, having fun. You can direct the conversation more so than even on this on-screen live interface because I will actually read it and pay attention to what you're saying. And it's going to be very exciting. And also, if you're not into the video stuff, that's okay too. There will be audio.

releases of this and that Scarety Cats full episode as well. That's right. The other show that we're introducing its new quarterly show that we're going to be putting out. It is a contemporary horror centric show. It's called Scarety Cats

and the first episode is going to be us covering Barbarian. So here's Felipe's amazing work. I don't know which one of us looks the worst but might be a four-way tie out. I look like I look now. pretty much. That's just you getting out of a pool. Exactly. But yeah, this is a show where we're talking about horror movies 10 years old or younger, so a little more recently. You know, a lot of the, when we do the Halloween spookacular and some of our older, you know, WHM titles, those are like older, older horror movies in some cases. But this, it is all modern stuff. And it's like good modern stuff. Okay, modern stuff. You know, we're going to be covering it all. And the cool thing about this one, too, at the

the end of each episode, we're going to give you two options, two movies to pick from. So you, the viewer, you, the Patreon supporter, get to participate in the curation of Scarity Cat. So basically, there's going to be a poll that'll go up on Patreon and you get to vote. Either we're talking about A or we're going to talk about B. And then, you know, when the poll closes, we get to work on making that video. So these are quarterly over at patreon.com slash we hate movies. We're stoked for it.

I'm so stoked for After Dark tomorrow night. That's going to be a lot of fun. That's at 8 p.m. Eastern, by the way. Yeah, I can't wait to make half of the Barbarians episode, me and Steve just yammering about how much we like weapons. But we will be talking to Barbarian, too. We will be mostly a barbarian episode, but there will be probably a little weapons talk, I imagine.

That's right. And should say also, just so people don't get it twisted, this is live, this We Hate Movies After Dark. This is not. Scaredy Cats is not a live show. It's a pre-recorded thing that we will release. It's like a late-night talk show. It's live to tape.

Sure. We're going to be taping it and we're going to be putting it out and it will come out with audio as well. Eric will be dressed like that the whole time. Well, that's the thing is with these video stuff, Chris. Some of us came out of their dark dungeons and we're having a little fun. We add a little video element. People wanted to see the pretension because we went to a pretentious film festival. Sure.

here it is i got my uh this is all of my costume is just the the the id badge that's it mine's a stitch it's um i'm in a t-shirt that's sort of movie centric i've got a silly hat on and my badge that is how i looked at toronto for a week this is how i looked i also spats on my shoes oh yes you were looking everybody was like god that guy's looking great and i was like get away from me peasant i'm here for the film i don't know why you talk so loudly on the cell phone all the I know that you do it to dominate the space but I think it is a little rude

Eric I do think of well if you were you know classy enough you wouldn't find it rude I guess that's true I guess we got to take some lessons in class Chris

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like i turn around the audio for osl it's not instantaneous so yes somewhere between 24 and 48 hours we'll flip that bad boy over and release the audio of it as well if you can't listen to it or if you want to just listen to it again in the car because you already watched it and loved it so much patreon.com slash we hate movies okay we got five more here from our adventure up in Canada here we're going to get to one right now that I think is probably one of the more powerful things we caught at the fest it's a new one from James Vanderbilt it's called Nuremberg and look at this Russell Crowe. Look at this frame

here. Yes. So fat. Yes. Oh, fat. It's great. I think, I think Mr. Crow might win something on Hollywood's biggest night. I think it's entirely possible. Which is the Golden Globes. Oh, really? This is, this is the best he's been

in a really long time. I mean, and like, you know, he's been great in certain other ways, you know, I'm talking like the road rage movie. I'm talking Pope's Exorcist. That's a, that's a one kind of crow. This is the Russell Crow that like Hollywood was introduced to. You know what I mean? Like, this is the Cinderella Man Crow. This is the beautiful mind crow, gladiator crow. I got to say, I was worried because I was like,

I haven't seen Fat Russell Crow in a while. He kind of slimmed down a little bit for that Pope's Exorcist. I did not appreciate that. I'm going to say though, when I saw him in this movie in all his glory, just letting it all out, I was slamming the wall, Goodfellow style screaming, it is so good you get rules some you get so much from crow in this movie you get happy crow uh body crow you get heart attack crow uh of course there's a lot of great big fat guy dynamo moments oh man oh my god he is he is quite the the domino uh the domino he is a dynamo right now of course uh playing Herman Goring and he is so basically the movie is

Romi Malik is an army psychiatrist who's brought in to evaluate this dude as they're trying to prepare the Nuremberg trials right he has to he's tasked with they're not just talking with Goring he's tasked with talking to all of the guys that they

decided to try in this case and interview them get to know them so there's things that the prosecution can use to help them push this case. This was something that was never tried on the global stage like this and

the guy doing the trying of course the American Supreme Court Justice played by what's his face? Of course Michael Shannon Robert Jackson was the guy's name. Great. If you like Michael's, if you like Michael Shannon you got a lot of them in this movie.

Oh yeah. This is not like Michael Shannon breezes into your movie for one scene and you never see him again. Shannon is in this movie Russell Crow is in this movie and I have to say too we have a lot of fun with them

throughout our family of shows here but I want to go on record as saying I think Rami Malik is very good in this movie it it the what he has to play the character that has that he has to play feeds into what I think his sort of strongest mode is

which is like obsessive paranoia guy that's why he was so perfect for Mr. Robot so here he is in this movie where he's playing this guy who, yes, at first it's a job like interview all these Nazi heads of state and get all this information on them and he becomes obsessed with trying

to psychoanalyze Goring and starts seeing all of these things that he can kind of relate to with Goring's personality and like that obsessive obsession destroying you personally and professionally. It's something that honestly like Jamie Vanderbilt in his

screenplay has done a bunch. like Zodiac's doing that and all the way into Fountain of Youth that's still that obsession over something ruining your personal and professional life. That's true. It's in that. It's in truth. Oh, truth, definitely. Even you could even say, the Amazing Spider-Man.

That is technically, Peter Parker is technically an obsessive. Like, it's there. Yes, yeah. But this, man, this movie, Leo Woodall who plays this sergeant who is like tasked with escorting, you know, Rami's character in and out or whatever.

I'd never seen this kid in anything. He was at two really well-regarded movies at the festival this year, this. And we did not see the other movie that he was in, Tuna, which our boys on the Slezoids podcast said, possibly one of the best movies of the festival. So keep your eye out for Leo and that as well. But this was my introduction to Leo Woodall. And I thought he absolutely killed it. It's like early, like Michael Pitt vibes.

Like he's just a really talented actor. You can see there's a lot of depth there, really dunk. really dug on him and then for like the lightness of it all you've got John Slattery playing you know this John Slattery John Slattery thing it's it's fantastic you can put it on anything put on a cracker put it on bread it's beautiful every way you put it I love that yeah but I do I appreciate that the film has its moments of levity and also the moments of very

somber obviously we're dealing with a heavy subject matter I'm glad it wasn't dower the entire time and I saw some people online like criticizing this movie coming out right now but I feel like it's it's best to come out right now and it does sort of address that this could happen again

in the future so this is not an anti this or that it's an anti-death movie which is we need right now yeah absolutely and I think I was seeing some like early responses on Letterbox that I thought kind of just like

wanted the wrong things out of the movie like they wanted a movie where every Nazi was like a mustache twirling cartoon character and like there's tons of those movies you can go get those movies right but like this is doing the banality of evil thing

and the notion of hey before Hitler these were just people and how did this you know how did we get from A to B right and that's what Vanderbilt is trying to analyze in the movie and I think he does a great fucking job so if you're going into it thinking it is going to be this cartoonish, you know,

Yavold, here we go. Like, it's not that. It is the banality of evil, man. It is, these were at one point people, and then they became these monsters, and how did that happen, and why? And what the fuck can we do to make sure it doesn't get that way again?

And so, like, you got a great message. You got a really strong fucking script. You've got these amazing performances. Eric, I think you're right, man. Hollywood's biggest night. Yes. And another. thing to sort of like push that a little

further, it's Sony Pictures classics. They, you know, it's been a quiet couple of years for them, but like, they know how to push a movie and they've got something here that they know, they know they have something here, right? They're releasing it 11-7, right in time for, you know,

awards consideration stuff. I will say, not crazy about the 11-7-wide, you know, let's do a couple New York, L.A. weeks, and then see what you're going to do as far as, you know. I thought you meant wide as in Russell Crow. No, no, no, no, no.

I thought you meant he was between 7 and 11 feet wide in this movie. He got caught at a 7.11. I wonder, though, because, like, he, at one point in the movie, like, Rami as his doctor's, like, you definitely have to lose weight or else you're going to keep having heart attacks like this one you just had. And you do get, there's a great Russell Crow doing some pushups. I think at the very beginning of the movie it might be just the slightest bit pillow territory or a little bit of a suit or something

because in this what is it the shot that they're using here like this is the very beginning of the movie this is the first scene of the film he gets out of this car he's being instructed by American soldiers to stand down he's going to be arrested and he's just massive in this moment

and then the few scenes that follow that's all sausage weight that shit you can't hide that stuff that stuff just pushes pushes out on the material every time. I've been trying. I know, Eric. I know. I've got to hide all this sausage weight. Vile Temptress, that sausage. It's just the versed.

Oh my God in heaven. Good for you, dude. Yeah, so Nuremberg, directed by James Vanderbilt, keep your eyes and ears open for that one. One of the best. November 7th. Okay, next one here. A dude

directed this movie that, man, I am just beyond stoked that he still has the juice here. Gus Van Sant, his new one, Dead Man's Wire. Hell yeah. I was shocked by this one. I was shocked how good this was. I thought Gus Van Sant was a name I would

see at the graveyard before again on the silver screen. And count the boy out. He fucking rocked it, dude. This is a great movie top to bottom. And Bill Scarsguard finally really clicking for me. Knocked out of the park. Yes. Oh, Chris, you didn't see this?

Yeah, I saw this with guys. Oh, yeah, he did, yes. Oh, okay. Well, this, oh, great. All right. So I was worried you hadn't said. Okay. No, no.

Yeah. This, um, so I should say, at least from Gus's recent output, his work on that feud, the Swans show with Truman Capote. I thought that was actually really fantastic. Probably one of the best of those of the Ryan Murphy television projects I've seen in its entirety. I think that is. they're the best or might be the best anyway

what was something wacky going on I don't know we just had a flicker there oh weird I think we're being targeted

uh oh uh oh but anyway so I'd seen that but I think like his last was his last like theatrical movie like 2012 or something

it's been a while it was a while ago anyway the last one I remember is the Amazon don't worry he won't get far on foot that's the last

yes with Waki Yes, yes, yes. And I think that was him taking the like his more deconstructy feelings. That was taking it to its end. Like that was where I was like, you've gone too far. This doesn't really work with this kind of character. And I was so happy that he just goes back. And Josh was also talking about this drugstore cowboy to die for era.

Like good crime work. Just and just focusing on action, performance, and dialogue. And he just nails it. This whole movie. Don't worry he won't get out on foot was 2018. So that's not. Oh, you know, I was thinking of the last, because I didn't, I didn't see Don't worry.

I didn't see the Suicide Forest movie. The last one of his, I saw his promised land. That was 2012. Matt Damon is a gas company salesman or something. But anyway, yes, this is a ripped from the headlines, story well headlines 1970s headlines again

1977 this is another movie 1977 set and this is yeah Bill Scarsgard plays a fellow who's trying to make some real estate investments and something happened with the mortgage company the movie doesn't really tell you which side is the truth as to what happened to this guy

but thinking that he has been wronged by this company takes the son of the company's owner hostage and it's wackier and funnier than you think it sounds, but yes, he's got a dead man switch around this thing

and a shotgun to the back of this dude's head for a large portion of the movie. And the guy's dad is played by Al Pacino who's like down in Florida on the phone.

What's like, you're going to kill my son. Okay. Al Pacino playing a skill X from the dark crystal more or less. Yes. Yeah, definitely.

I see it. Oh man. Yeah. You know what, Chris, that's one of those things I'll call cruel but accurate. Yeah. It definitely is. And it is a dude, our guy, our little Pacino, our little Dunkicino Pacino, he's sitting the entire movie. He's got like a fun like smoking jacket on for most of it. I'm pretty sure. I give you the money. I wouldn't give you the money at all. The character is supposed to be on vacation in Florida. I think Al was just on vacation wherever and Gus sent a fucking quick. tiny camera set up to his house. And it's only there, right, because it's kind of Van Sant, winking at how this movie's a little dog day afternoon. It's got some dog day vibes

to it. So Pacino never is in a scene with any of these other people. But he is good for what he is in the movie. But there's also Daker Montgomery who was in Stranger Things and he's an Australian actor. He's been around. Oh, I think he was in

yes, Letterbox confirms. He was in that Terrible Power Rangers reboot, among other things. He's an interesting actor, though, and he's really great as the son who's been held hostage. They got a really great thinning hair wig on this guy, because he's an incredibly

handsome dude, IRL, including the hair. And so this is like, he's just playing this slub, rich kid who gets kidnapped, and like, it is just, it's an interesting movie, man. You also have Coleman Domingo as like a radio personality. This takes place somewhere in Indiana.

My favorite use. of Coleman Domingo as a spice. I like him in the mix with a bunch of other actors. Sometimes when he's leading the show, I don't like him as much, but this, I was like loving him every scene he's in in this movie. I love where, oh, go ahead, dude. No, I was just going to say, I

couldn't believe Carrie Elways is it. He's unrecognizable. He's good. Dude, I didn't know where Carrie Elways was in the movie until after the fact. Same. I watched that whole movie being like, who's this one guy who's like a funny cop character? And then it was like four hours later. I was looking at

something. Oh, because Carrie Elways was like on the carpet for the premiere of the movie in Toronto and I was like, what's Carrie Elway's doing there? Oh, Carrie Elis was that guy? Holy shit. He's got dark hair, like a salt and pepper beard. He looks, you don't, you don't recognize him at all and

he nails it. He does a great performance. He's really, really great. So yeah, this movie, the first acquisition by this new company called Roque Entertainment. I want to ask them about Roque because Roque is the, I believe, if I'm thinking about this right,

one of like the back rows of some theaters here in New York, and I wonder if it's like a movie theater, a signed seating thing that we've possibly named our company after Eric. But anyway, this was their first acquisition. If the reports are to be believed, something like a mid

seven figures deal, so like they pay decent money for this. So this is their first movie at the gate. No release date just yet. I don't know if they're going to try to cram it into like a qualified this year. I don't know if it necessarily has

awards potential. Maybe not, but I think it's one of my favorite of the year. Yes. Oh, no, most definitely. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, so Roque Entertainment. Very curious to see what all happens with those folks. But yes, also just very, very heartening to know that as far as feature films go, Gus Van Sant, he still got the juice. Do not count this dude out. Look for this movie.

next one up fun fun movie that eric and i caught here it's the new one from alex winter it is called adulthood uh it stars josh gad and i'll tell you right now folks i was just a surprise it blew me away as you out here uh eric and i both found josh gad to be actually really good in this movie yes i couldn't believe it i know i've not been a gad pilled like a lot of other people i was always not as into the gad but this he was good he was fun he was affable yeah where you've jived with the material i think alex winter delivered a uh a nice little kind of comedy neo-noirish type of movie kind of like a cohen brothers type of thing yeah it's very it's got a nice mix of like a cohen brothers

or sort of like an ecc comics alfred hitchcock presents like normal people getting themselves in a real deal bit of trouble here uh and yeah it's gad and uh kaias go delario who i didn't watch any of those. I think she's a maze runner person. Yes. So I haven't seen any of those. She's in one of the pirates movies, so I know I've seen her in at least something. She's also, I think the star of crawl,

the alligator movie. I still got to see that. Oh, really? I also love that movie. Yeah. So this was, I think, my first time really seeing her in anything. She's really great. So they play brother and sister. And this isn't a, it's not a spoiler because it's the inciting incident of the movie and what it's all about. But

what kicks things off, this wild, grim ride that they go on is their mother has a stroke and needs to go to a hospital. And so Josh Gad plays a, you know, a struggling TV writer who flies back from Los Angeles to meet his sister who still lives in the town. And it's a, what are we going to do, you know, and end of life care for mom, yada, yada. Oh, and the house is falling apart. We're going to have to sell it. And, oh, what's this? What's behind this leaky wall? oh a fucking wrapped up corpse and so the movie goes from there and it's such a nice

it's a simple idea and it's just allowed to breathe and go places you've got a really great Anthony Carrigan um he's playing like their fucking weirdo cousin who lives on the outskirts of town yeah he's great you got him

you got Billy Lord playing like the antagonist she's uh sort of becomes like a black male character to them uh and she's really I've never seen her playing as like a nefarious character like this show. He always plays like the happy drunk friend or you know the silly character or whatever and this is like she's getting a little nasty in this movie

and I was there for it. I was like you're doing a really great job and Winter himself has a small tiny role in the movie so it's cool to see him. All of a sudden he's just like hobbling through the frame playing like a neighborhood guy and I was like oh there's Alex too. It's really really fun and this was it's being put out by Republic Pictures, which is Paramount's using this tiny

shingle again. They're still alive? Dude, it's back. I've seen this logo on a couple things over the recent years. Yeah. And so this is a weird, it's limited this Friday and then it's going to go on VOD on 923.

I would imagine the theatrical reach of this is not going to be much. So, you know, look for this on PVOD. It's a great way to, you know, just have some fun with a movie you know what i mean it's just it is that alfred hitchcock presents again more like grim humor it is that's the other thing it is very funny yeah like uh like no other choice it's like a comedy of errors yes yeah and and why it is you know stupid to kill people um but yeah

this it was it was a totally pleasant surprise i just wanted to see it because i you know love alex winter and wanted to support him and i was pleasantly surprised at how much it totally rocked. So yeah, definitely some of the most fun we had. Speaking of fun, I think this one was a little bit more of a split. The new one from Ben Wheatley, of course, it's called Normal.

You got Mr. Bob Odenkirk here playing a sheriff named Ulysses who he's like a substitute sheriff. Like their sheriff has died in this town and he's playing a guy who just comes in to be a temporary guy until a new one's elected. And wouldn't you know it while he's there for this temporary gig some weird

shit starts going down in this town I think it's better than free fire but it's sort of of that ilk where like it's kind of just super okay and it's all set up for these gun battles which are fine and fun and there's there's good stuff

here but at the same time it feels like it doesn't really need to exist I don't know I will say like it's I think if you look at it just on its face because the sequel also just came out like you could look at this movie and think it's like a nobody situation where he's doing like fake john wick stuff and also the writer of this movie is a co-writer on i think of the first john wick or something so like you would be

within your right to make that assumption and then not get as excited for this movie as you might be but like it's not that it's not this like you just woke up the sleeping giant here comes the Baba Yaga like it's not that it's like he is just literally a normal guy in this normal it's normal Minnesota I think is where he's that um but he is he's literally just a schlubb dude who is filling in the sheriff role and then like the shit hits the fan in the town and yeah he's of course great in it I mean Bob Odenkirk's always a delightful presence even nobody I thought he was a delightful presence is yeah he a bigger or lesser asshole than he is in the bear oh uh he's he's less of an asshole okay that's good yeah he's he's like a genuinely good person in this movie um but yeah i mean eric i think to your point it is just like okay like we're setting everything up it's kind of like um the whole movie is just pulling back on like a bow and arrow and then like when it lets it go and the shit hits the fan you're like hell yeah but there's not much to it aside from just pulling something back you know what i mean there's not it's not a robust

tapestry that we're thrown into it's got vibes yeah you know you mentioned coens it is very much like fargo it's like got assault on precinct 13 vibes and then in an interesting turn i think it does have some hot fuzz vibes yeah so like there's there's things in there going around i've never been a huge ben weatley guy uh i still think he's never topped kill list uh you know but i keep watching his stuff because i just i do want to just check in you know like uh maybe this one's for me uh in the earth i think is another a really good one. That's the thing. In The Earth is the last one of his, I think, was

really good and still had that weirdness. I think that was his most recent movie, right? It's 20-20. No, because he did Rebecca, that Rebecca remake. Oh, yes, I forgot about that. One, maybe both of those Meg movies. I think he just did the second one. He just did the second one.

And I just think we're losing the weirdness. And that's what was great about Ben Wheatley, was the weirdness. In the Earth is a weird movie. Down Terrace is a weird movie. The kill is in fantastic, but also incredibly weird movie. And that's, I feel like we're losing more and more of that as we go on with him. Yeah, because free fire is not weird. High rise is

weird. Yeah, that's close. That's close. It didn't super work for me. But actually like sightseers, I don't think is a particularly weird movie. Like it's a, I think that's the last great movie. It's a good movie, but it is kind of a little more straightforward and digestible. So that's, that is why I like to check in whenever Ben Wheatley has a movie because like I've never outright hated anything. It's just like his stuff just hasn't really worked for me and this is kind of

like yeah a little bit it worked but this is oddly no US distribution no release plans as of yesterday when I put all the pre-show stuff together someone will pick this up it's probably you know this is like an IFC kind of deal

A24 has handled his stuff in the past who knows maybe Netflix will pick it up he's got a relationship with them um so who knows but uh not the not the run out and see it kind of a deal but you know there's there's good gun kata action you know so that kind of stuff you know very surface level uh all right the last one this is it's i feel it's going to be one of the the big movies people are talking about uh at the end of the year here but yes the new one from benny saffty it is the smashing machine. Here we go. We've got DJ in a

R.M. Real movie. I think he's winning it. I think so. I think they want to give him this award. And like this would be the obvious movie to give him this award for. It just makes total sense on every level. Of course, we don't know. There's a whole fucking four months left to go with what movies we've got coming up. But it feels like that kind of performance. It feels like that kind of movie. that he's actually good he's actually good he's really fucking good dude i used i missed it so yes please oh so he was very good it was shocking how good he is especially i i josh lewis after the movie had pointed me to the john hyam's uh doc with the same name that i watched right afterwards

and it certainly informs a lot of that because the the thing i wasn't sure about was like i was like this he's a little too much of a gentle giant there's no way he is this like a cuddly and all this for a guy who does this and you watch the doc and if anything he's kind of underplaying it is that right the biggest softy in the world like just that's amazing cutest cutest guy you've ever seen uh and like of course part of that is the packaging of the dock but like it is when he does some hyams is highlighting similar ideas as safty is as like the uh collision of like insane violence with this character of complete control and like sweetness and like trying to have a domestic routine

when your entire life is about dominating and destroying your fellow men like other other guys yeah yeah it's quite something it's it's really like he is transformative man as much as like you can look at you know this shot and it's like yeah that's that's DJ you can kind of tell he's not there like it's it's not the rock like it is mark cur it's not dwayne johnson it's mark cur like he you know and we've we've

wanted this so long for him i feel like we've been saying for years like get him with the right guy and it could happen it has happened with benny safty and this movie and props also to emily blunt i saw some people and you know you want to make this argument fine she's a little underdeveloped whatever i didn't think so i think she's fantastic in the movie as far as like playing a person who is stuck fucking putting up with this and like this kind of lifestyle and and not just like him as a person and what that does to you but also just like the travel and like remember this is about the early days of UFC type stuff where like it was still against the law in a lot of the United States these dudes are going to Japan like every few months to do these

fucking fights and stuff so like you know the absence that way too like so there's just so much that she has to juggle. And, I mean, there's just this one scene. I mean, she's got, there's a movement in this movie that I was like, oh, this is about to take a dark turn. It's a fucking, it's a safety production. And you never know with those guys. I certainly didn't see the end of uncut gems coming.

So, like, there was a moment where I was like, like literally my fucking heart just went in my throat. And because it's just, she's so goddamn good and convincing in the movie. That's, I think exactly, like, I do think there is a certain level of symbolism to this. of like the movie is about getting used to failure. It is about being able to learn from failure and being able to accept failure as something

bigger than like winning as not just as high you get, but like as a thing you work towards no matter what. And I think that has certainly something to do with what DJ's been doing for the last couple of years with the way the PR for Black Adam came

out and how he looked very insecure about a lot of stuff. But like what the senior you're talking about when she's like when she's in that it's a really heated domestic scene and she starts screaming like i'm nothing to you and i'm like well that's also like the character like the character is nothing in comparison to him because he he takes over everything there's at least they are playing with the ideas and putting it into the drama and it gives the drama more weight uh and i think benny like he just does such a great job with the direction the one

thing i love the most is throughout the movie they're playing these huge big ballads that you know like Rod Stewart, Rhythm of My Heart, some version of my way. But he ends the movie with cleaners from Venus. And if you haven't heard of these guys,

they're fantastic. Go look at them now. It's a song called Corridor Dreams. It's a really beautiful song. But it is to me that difference of like, are you the big star

who's doing the big performance? Or are you these lifers who are just doing this thing because they're good at it. They like it and it pays. And like, there is, you know,

I think it's to me it is Ben Saffty saying I'm just I just like doing this like I'm just going to keep working like this he has a Dwayne Johnson already signed on for his next movie Lizard music which sounds fantastic dude yeah we were talking about what that movie is about and I was like yep sign me out

100% sign me up it's an alligator playing the piano yeah no closer than you think oh shit yeah you're kind of joking man but the way that book was described to me yeah sort of to answer your question sort of it sounds awesome i'm in um yeah i you know i can't say enough

good things about it i think a lot of people are coming out like it's fine which is okay um but this will be one of the tops for me and i will be rooting for dj this whole award season because damn it i mean the man deserves it and like if you look just watch it i don't know if you mention this Chris, sorry, but like him in the press conference videos at like first at Venice and now with the stuff in Toronto, just like hearing him talk about this and like why he wanted it and what it means to him. And then also having like Emily Blunt, you know, saying like how she was the one that was like you got to do this. Like you can do this. This is how you can do this. You know what I mean? So I think also it's really great that she was cast, right? Because they were in like the jungle cruise movie together. They have a close relationship. in general. Yes, exactly. Like, they're legitimate buds. And I think when you're going into something like this where it's like, all eyes are on DJ, like, here's your moment, wrestler

turned actor, impress us. Like, you're doing a different thing. It's got to be so freaking nerve-wracking. And you get to do it with a friend of yours along the way. I think that maybe helped him quite a bit. So smart on the casting department on Safty for making that come together as well because, like, she clearly

is helping him along and making him feel comfortable. So see this. It's October 3rd. wide so just a few weeks from now you're not going to want to miss it in from the chat as we close out here our good bud Felipe

coming in with the comments to let me know so Cleber Mendonza Filio is how you say his name so Clever Mandanza Filio there you go and he made a great movie called Secret Agent but that folks

is going to put a cap on most of what we saw at TIF you know there's some other stuff that we left out, things maybe not as interesting or, you know, whatever. So this was 10 of the best things we saw. Keep your eyes peeled. Your eyes and you just peeled. So not this coming, not next Monday, but the Monday after on-screen live is returning. And it will be our coverage of some things we've seen that will be at the New York Film Festival. So that's going to be going on as well. But hey, busy week here. Like we mentioned already, tomorrow night, do not forget we hate movies after dark the premiere episode kicking off at 8 p.m. Eastern on patreon.com

slash we hey movies again it's our AMA style chat show we're just going to be in there moving and grooving baby answering your questions hanging out it's going to be a lot of fun earlier in that day so tomorrow of course we hate movies the podcast will be dropping as always season 16 just getting underway we're coming in hot with a fun one all about the conjuring of course the most recent of those movies released last weekend and they promptly announced a television show right after it did so well

at the box office. Funny how that works. Great episode. We're talking kind of, it's mainly focused on the conjuring, but we do dip into some of that whole franchise world. So there's some Annabelle talk, there's Conjuring 2 and 3 talk. So you definitely not going to want to miss that.

And of course, on the Patreon at the $8 tiering up, you can get that sucker ad free. The week continues so busy around here y'all we got tons of new shows Thursday on the Patreon of course our September edition of our cartoon recap show animation damnation drops

we're talking about one finally getting around to talking about tiny tunes yes oh and this graphic is a great selection Andrew that is a depiction of Roseanne Barr being fat shamed by our tiny tunes by Plucky that's right that's right yes we were covering the episode

Hollywood Plucky where Plucky and Hampton go to Hollywood to try to sell a script about Plucky's life and it's a bombardment of celebrity cameos including yes two separate jabs at Roseanne Barr which is very funny and then Friday we are heading into the weekend grooving into the weekend with our Star Trek or Star Trek our Star Wars side show my goodness the gleep glossary Eric yes we'll be talking about Gavin Darklighter a character you have not heard of but honestly I think this might be one of our my favorite Gleaps we've done I thought it was

that right a lot it was a great episode a lot of fun great energy and we got we gavined it up we gavoned it up indeed he's got a cousin named huff which we thought was pretty funny question for the chat he guess he's related to big's dark lighter correct i believe it's his nephew or cousin or something listen to the episode i will remember in there yeah it's in there surprise uh so quick two things from the chat that i just wanted to point out before we get going one uh john carra in the chat asks uh our non specials i guess he means us allowed to attend the new york film festival i'd like to go yeah buddy you can go right now to filmlink dot org you got to buy tickets you got to put on your ass cut to get in or uh yeah there'll definitely be a lot

of people there dress like an asshole don't worry about it john uh but you can go yeah there's public tickets they're on sale right now you can go uh yeah just go to film at lincoln center's website i believe it's filmlink.org tickets for on sale. They go fast, especially for shit with Q&A's, so look it over. I will say rush tickets, it pays off

very regularly if you hit the rush line. Yeah. And the other thing, just close out with a final question here to sort of explain why. Neff says, surprise the guys didn't hit up the criterion closet. I got three copies of the Robocop Laser

disc. I don't know if that last part's joke, but I'll say the reason why we didn't hit up the criterion closet is because we didn't have fucking eight hours to wait on the line. How that works, y'all, is people sign up, like, you line up early in the morning to get online for this thing, and they only have

so much product and they only let so many people in, so like, you wait online for hours to get in and yeah, it's cool, you get your photo and you get 40% off a Blu-ray, great, but I'm not wasting my day doing that. And also, if you wait all that time, and then you get fucking shut out,

friend you just flush the whole day down the toilet invite me to the real one the real one yeah then I will go the real one the one in the office the one in the office that's one I want to go to Neth confirms but yes they were joking about

the laser disc but just to answer the question all the same we would have we would have been at the criterion closet at South by too but again I got movies to see you baby I got food to eat I got people to see I can't be waiting around on lines to get a to get a fucking photo Picking up a DVD.

It would be cool to go to the real one. And I was saying, yes, like, that's when we should go. When we maybe are blessed someday to get the invite to the real bricks and mortars one and not just literally standing on the back of a truck buying discount DVDs, which is essentially what that is. But anyway, it was a super fun time in Toronto. Again, you know, it is an amazing city, an amazing place to be, amazing people. We had an absolute blast.

You know, we'll see if we cover it next year. There's some other things floating around that we may do instead, but also normals can go see stuff at TIF as well. So next year, if you're in the mood and you're in the Toronto area, go check it out. It's fun as hell. But that is going to do it for this special on-screen live edition of our TIF coverage, or I guess a special TIF coverage edition of On-Screen Live. That's how it should have worked. Anyway, it's clearly time for some more afternoon coffee.

And again, not next Monday, but the Monday after we'll be back here with some stuff we've seen at the New York Film Festival. But until then, I've been Andrew Jupin. Eric Siska. Chris Cabin. Have a good week, y'all. Bye-bye.