We Hate Movies - S17: On-Screen Live: Reviews of Digger, Crystal Lake, You Can See Everything, Carrie, Primetime & More!

Episode Date: October 21, 2026

On this edition of On-Screen Live, we're playing catch-up on some stuff we've seen over the last few weeks, including the most divisive narrative of the year, Digger; the non-fiction smash hit, You C...an See Everything; the R Pats-starring media thriller, Primetime, and two Halloween-time horror series that just dropped, Brad Caleb Kane's new Crystal Lake series on Peacock, and the Mike Flanagan-developed Carrie miniseries! We're also going over the weekend box office, and more!Be sure to visit the WHM Merch shop over on Dashery and check out all the latest show-related designs you can slap on t-shirts, hats, coffee mugs, stickers, whatever! Make your friends jealous by flaunting some WHM merch today!Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 What is going on one and all? Oh my goodness. Welcome to on screen live. My name is Andrew Jupin. And I'm sitting alongside three other fellows who've been watching a lot of stuff that we're going to talk about. But what is going on? Steve Sadek. Hello, beautiful. Eric Siska. You know, I recently dug a movie. Oh, hell yeah, dude. Fuck yeah. Is that the popcorn bucket? Oh, yeah. And it's full, it's still like full of like grease and butter. leave it like that forever to preserve the moment. Oh, man. How are the mice, man? I love the mice. And they're in the boot. I love that.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Well, you know what? Then, you know, they go down the gullet, too. Chris Cabin, how you doing? Any novelty popcorn containers at your house right now? No, but I'm glad I did. I was about to buy that for Eric when I went to, uh, see, you can see everything. I can. I always, so you've got both sides.
Starting point is 00:01:15 You have two boots. That's not actually not a bad idea. We want to say. Yeah. I was thinking. Rockwell, two legs in that movie. Wouldn't you know it? I did Eric, I saw your thing and I was like, that's awesome, dude. And you were like,
Starting point is 00:01:28 I bought it on eBay and then I turned around and did the exact same thing. Yeah, so it's not actually my popcorn butter. It's like someone else. Oh, good. Even better. That's awesome. Okay. I hope he licked his fingers before he ate. That's good. It's like the, you know, like when you step on a movie theater floor sometimes and it's like, did you buy a used one? Wait. No, no. This is all. Oh, okay. This is a bit. It's tacky and it's tacky, by the way.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Oh, shit, let's do this. Ooh, fuck. Oh, wow. In fact. Oh, I got into the void. The dune worm. The dune worm. I'll do that one more time.
Starting point is 00:02:01 One more time. Look, it's the beginning of uncut jams. Oh, shit. Nice. Right. What is going on to the chat? Damon LeCornu 5040. T.J. Games.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Obelamov 81. Chasey Finn fan. I'm so Rachel. Who else we got here? Designia. Hello, hello. Timothy Batson, 8183. Jills, 7997.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Hello, everybody. Welcome in. This is the first official, regular, regular OSL of the season. So we're welcoming everybody back in here. We're talking about movies, talking about the business of movies. We got a lot of stuff. We got some things we're going to review. We got a trailer segment for a movie that I think looks like pretty kick-ass.
Starting point is 00:02:46 But we shall see. but first up, take a look around the box office, some interesting things happening at the movies, friends. This is highest gross. Now, I was pretty surprised by this, because didn't anybody else know that in it number five, there was a pride and prejudice, or sense and sensibility rather, coming out?
Starting point is 00:03:13 Yes. Yeah, I've seen the trailer a bunch. Yeah, that's, I've seen the trailer a bunch. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, interesting. I had no idea was coming out, but, you know, we've done Jane Austen before,
Starting point is 00:03:25 but that's never stopped Hollywood. No. How about senseless and sensibility? And it's a takeoff of that movie with what's his name? Marlon Wains. Yes. Former episode. David Spade.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Yeah. Ooh, that was a long ago episode. Very early episode. Yeah. Wow. Oh, yeah,
Starting point is 00:03:42 we covered that. You might not have been on the episode, but it was. I do remember watching it with you guys back in days of yours. Yes, yes. But yeah, so, you know, this was decent seven three, 19 million around the globe. You know, this was okay for focus. Not a big deal. I was cut a.
Starting point is 00:03:56 surprised how many, like, I feel like the Fielder movie kind of came out of nowhere and like a couple of tent pole schedules were like, oh, this is happening. You know what I mean? I feel like you might not have put sense and sensibility out this weekend had you had known. Not that the crossover is huge, but does that make sense?
Starting point is 00:04:12 But I would say though, like they're doing, they did this initially because Street Fighter came out. And this was your counter programming the street. Exactly. But then everyone, then the Fielder movie kind of was another counter programming. But I mean, you're never going to guess that documentary is going to do with this. It's absolutely impossible. And I mean, just like,
Starting point is 00:04:30 Telluride was all of a sudden like, oh, this is happening now. Okay. And then it's like, okay, here it is. But also I think this was too, because Netflix is putting out their Pride and Prejudice series is about to come out. I think that was a little bit also in there. Oh, that's interesting. Well, if you read anything about Netflix these days, not looking so high. No. It's a conversation for another day. But in it number four, I wanted to get my buns to the theater to see this. I will see it at some point because my God, love a good weird gimmicky horror movie, but whale fall at number four, not too shit, well, okay, ish, but there was a big spend on advertising.
Starting point is 00:05:06 And this movie actually cost a lot of money, I think, $60 million to make this fucking whale fall. And it's based on a true story, right? This takes place during the Bible, I think. Yeah, this is Jonah. The kid from Resident Evil plays Jonah in this movie. See, what Eric's doing is making a joke about something I actually said at dinner the other day, and I literally was confused if it was. I didn't know too much about it.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I was like, it came up. We had dinner with our good friend, Philippe Sabrero, and our new friend Allison, who does our videos. And I was just asking the group, like, is that, is it? Is that a true story? And everybody laughed at just, uh, I mean, I laughed because I thought you were just telling a classic Steve Sadec joke.
Starting point is 00:05:45 I didn't know it was a legitimate question. Unless Noah drinks twisted teas. This is not him. Is this kid pounded twisted teas? I saw him. Is that why he gets eaten by a whale? One of the shots I saw is in, like a gas mart.
Starting point is 00:05:59 So, and that's, I always, I feel like I see twisted T banners at every gas mart I've ever been to. Because you, because you do. Yeah. Is there a gas station in the whale? That's pretty, fill her up, dude. I mean, whales pretty big. You could probably fit a gas station in. Probably.
Starting point is 00:06:13 I will be curious to see what this goes on to do when there's maybe less, more important things, fewer more important things of the box office to get to, or what it does on, like, VOD, because this actually has a 71% on rotten tomatoes. Okay. So decent enough, like critical reaction. I didn't see what the audience scores were or anything. Austin Abrams, man, the guy is charming as hell. Kids on fire.
Starting point is 00:06:34 I would love to watch any movie. If he was in sense and sensibility, I would have watched that. Oh, absolutely. I'll watch that little twink do anything, dude. He is very entertaining. Watch him on fire for sure. Just set him on fire. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:45 You know, adapt the cover to the Pink Floyd album, you know. Wish you were here. Is what you're talking about that? That would be nice. There'll be a narrative movie about that album cover. We'll do album. covers after like you know one day when we run out a comic book characters now it's like the mccu music cinematic universe or like we run out of fucking musician biopics and it's like well now let's say you
Starting point is 00:07:07 know it's a whole movie about david bowie but just making the aladdin sane cover let's do that for two hours okay so we need that uh baby dick on the nirvana cover and uh you're gonna be the i want that baby's dick written by erin sorgon hold on a second now if you if chat if we are gone now, it's because YouTube has taken us off. The legal fight about the baby dick. That changed a nation. We got to stop saying those
Starting point is 00:07:36 BD, we got to stop saying the BD, okay? Hey, speaking to BD, no. In it number three, something that looked prime for rental the entire time, and I will rent it, I will pay theater price to rent it. Because in a less crowded time, I would have
Starting point is 00:07:54 been at the theater seeing other mommy. I It's getting stupid at the theater. Let's look at the poster really quickly, though. I'll tell you guys this. This is a movie that it's a real like, please come see this. Like we've got Blumhouse, an executive producer of obsession. Remember that movie you loved? And James Juan, producer of back.
Starting point is 00:08:11 You remember that movie you loved? I know we do this all the time, but for whatever reason, this poster, the amount of text here, it made me, it just smells like so desperate, doesn't it? From the guys who brought you, you know? Yeah, exactly. But look at, look at other mommy there. I do not want to disappoint mom. No.
Starting point is 00:08:28 I should have gone. I'm definitely going to rent this. It's a very like stupid Friday night. Oh yeah. Spooky movie bullshit. This is on like the haunted wool side of the Blumhouse world. You know what I mean? Like it freaky looking trailer,
Starting point is 00:08:44 but not exactly something that I'm like rip roaring to get out in the theater for. Especially because like the way the movie sort of position and I could be wrong and I hope I hope that I am. Just because it's like other mommy and it's this kid like dealing with the other Tommy thing. Like, if we're watching the movie from this little like stinker kids perspective the whole time, I'll be glad I'm on my couch for it. What is he complaining about? You got two Christmases.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Well, that's true. Two birthdays. Well, and like all secret movies, the other Duplas is in it. Yes, I was surprised. Oh, Jay Duplas is the father in this movie? I was shocked we were allowing that guy in movies not directed by mumblecore people. I had to be like, all right,
Starting point is 00:09:21 did Joe? Swanberg. Thank you. That's my show. He did come back. He just put out into a movie. So actually, there you go. There you go. But the bummer for other mommy here, 70% fall from week one. So
Starting point is 00:09:37 yeah, not looking so hot for other mommy. $19 million budget though. So like overall, it's completely fine. Yeah. So moving right along. Number two, something we'll be talking about a little bit. Not spoiling it for you at all, but later in the program, we will be discussing
Starting point is 00:09:53 you can see everything. And I mean, tell me the last time a documentary was number two at the box office. It's Michael Moore, right? It's got to be. Fahrenheit 9-11, yeah. It did better than this, but this is like number two in history, perhaps.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Jesus. Yeah. So, yeah, we're looking at $15 million, which doesn't seem a ton, but when you look at the fact that this was on only 855 screens around the country. So this morning, A24 is like, fuck, why didn't we put this on more screens?
Starting point is 00:10:23 That's their they're kicking themselves. But here's the other thing. It's the biggest opening for a movie on under a thousand screens since Borat, which did 26 million across 170 screens. So it just be about that, but fucking wild that that record hasn't been broken since whatever that was, 2006. I haven't been surprised by like turnout because I, I went to see the devils on Saturday.
Starting point is 00:10:48 And I went in to get my tickets. I went on Fandango and I was getting, picking out. my seats and I was surprised there's a pretty big turnout for the the two night screens they were doing for it that night. But then I looked at this and I was like, it's almost all gone. I was like, what? How is this possible? I was having flashbacks to trying to get tickets to the Odyssey. Like I saw it yesterday. I was able to get some seats. I was in like the second row and it was sold out all across the city yesterday. I mean, it was wild. That's insane. I'm a big Wednesday
Starting point is 00:11:21 morning. What movie we watch it this weekend? guys and get the tickets. Yeah, I was okay. But even that was a lot. A lot was sold out. Even Wednesday morning with a cup of coffee, people were like, really,
Starting point is 00:11:32 really excited for this. And rightfully so, because it's a great movie. I'm just loving that like, and it's not just for this, but I've been having like real trouble getting some fucking tickets to stuff. And I love that.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I love that people are turning out to the movies like that. I mean, it's just bonkers. And for a three hour movie. Three hours. A three hour movie not directed by Christopher Norris. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a fielder's obviously been having a moment since those rehearsal movies shows came out. And then the Theranos thing is a big deal. The dropout was big. So like it's
Starting point is 00:12:03 not IP, but you know what I mean? It's a known thing. It has like for lack of a better word, fan base. You know what I mean? It's kind of a perfect storm. And that trailer was like perfectly like cut to make people be like what is. You know what I mean? It's it's it was a bit of a gabbo. Gabbo, Gabbo, Gabbo. Like I got to go see what Gabbo is about. Yes. The response. at a tell you ride and from everybody at Newer Film Festival as well. I haven't seen so many people when it comes to an American movie
Starting point is 00:12:31 being like, I don't know how to talk about this yet. Like I genuinely like I understand after seeing it. I'm like I understand that now. I get what you mean. So we'll talk about that more later. But the final thing here, number one at the box office something that Steve texted everybody yesterday was like,
Starting point is 00:12:49 hey, is it worth me checking this out? And I sort of said no, because we'll likely want to keep this for January. Yes, the street fighter movie. Oh, man. This is crazy. I was going to go see this, but then I heard that this guy, Andrew Schultz, this Trump campaign manager is like one of the
Starting point is 00:13:05 lead characters. Yeah, he's up there. It's just crazy. Also, it's just crazy to save Paul Manafort for the sequel. Man, Paul Manafort, I just turned to stone. I haven't thought about that guy. Unbelievable, dude. Paul Mataport. Azakuma. we can get Steve Bannon in there too for the sequel right
Starting point is 00:13:25 I mean is he Honda in it I mean he would love Honda's in it he's absolutely no that's unfortunate that's the only the girth The thing that I read though from a lot of folks that I was You know checking out their reviews on letterbox You know buddies of ours and everything A lot of people saying the the the wrong turn for this movie And not everybody agrees with this but the a wrong turn for this movie
Starting point is 00:13:46 Is that they tried to make like a live action anime and I see More often than not, that's generally a failure when you try to do that. They weave in anime scenes into the movie itself. Oh, there's actual anime? There's actual anime. Because there's something. Dude, they are hiding that from you in those previews. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:14:04 I was really surprised to hear about this because it sounds like there's a lot of action scenes that they couldn't do or they didn't want to do. Oh, and they were just caught in the cartoons instead. That's what it sounds like what they're doing. Oh, that's awesome. Why don't you just go home and play the fucking video game then? Seriously. Yeah. Seriously. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Yeah, I don't know. That's rough. But so this is, yeah, 51 million around the world, 31 million here. And this is only paramount hired gun for distribution only. So like legendary and Capcom are the ones who actually have money to lose in this. And this is, it's not a tank by any means, but it is a real like middle of the road. Yes. You know, sort of neutral result here.
Starting point is 00:14:49 So, you know, I have a strong, you know, there's a lot of contenders, folks, for stuff that we'll be talking about in January. But that's kind of top of my list after hearing the reactions about it. Oh, my God. Hey, speaking of reactions, though, we got some cool stuff coming up. We'll take a little break here to plug ourselves. No show dates or anything like that. But the spooky season is upon us, folks.
Starting point is 00:15:13 And of course, that means what a perfect time for another Scardy Cats episode. So the 28th of this month, right before All Hallows Eve, the long legs edition of Scarity Cats is coming out. We have just finished the edit on it. It's a great episode. It's very funny. The fucking long leg singing voice, you better believe, is all over the place. Yes, quite a lot.
Starting point is 00:15:35 But it's a good time. And then, let's see. Oh, and then also available in the store, the Patreon store, I should say. The Spooky Season is upon us. The Scream 4 digital show from a few years back is. out now, also at patreon.com slash we hate movies. And that was a lot of fun. That was us in 2024
Starting point is 00:15:53 just going through Scream 4. We recorded a new intro for it, discussing some current events related to the movie and everything like that. So that is available now. Pairs well with our Scream episode that's out now on Patreon as well. So it's a nice little screamy kind of horror month there for you, folks. And a Zinfandel, too,
Starting point is 00:16:11 if you want to get that. Oh, that's a good call. That's also a Zinfandel on top of it. It's also good pairing. well done. So yeah, that's just some stuff we have coming up that we want you to pay attention to. But yes, something we're paying attention to is the previews, because while there's a bunch of stuff at the box office right now, more stuff is just coming down this movie poop shoot. So let's get into it. We're keeping track of one in a segment we like to call trailer segment.
Starting point is 00:16:48 All right. This is one that I caught a couple trips back to the movies. I think it was actually in front of Digger. And then it was because I feel like they were like, what the hell do we put in front of this? movie besides other 824 titles. It was actually in front of the Fielder movie yesterday, which I thought was kind of funny. But yes, Exorcist Martyrs,
Starting point is 00:17:06 written and directed by Mr. Mike Flanagan, who will be talking about briefly later, but this is out next March. I'm kind of excited for this. What did you guys think of the trailer? I really liked it. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:18 I'm generally a Flanagan fan. I was actually one of the big idiots that was surprised that he wasn't directing Clayface, because I thought for a really long time he was. I thought he was too, frankly. I still thought he was. No, yes.
Starting point is 00:17:30 No, they're doing a total bait and switch with that where it's like from Mike Flanagan but he only wrote it. Yeah. This actually,
Starting point is 00:17:36 this has the, where is it, the decency to be like, uh, uh, whereas I have a title. Oh, here it is.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Yeah. Just like from writer director. Like, please get out in front. Tell me that's the deal. But I think this is a really moody looking, uh, potential adaptation to the same source material as Exorcist 3 Legion.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Uh, Garjo here as this detective character, partnered alongside Sasha Cal. It looks great, you know, and I like the style of it, and it looks like a good little plot there. But, man, getting kind of tired of Scarjo. Maybe. Is that right? Yes, of course. Come on.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Where are you watching Scarjo in? Jurassic World. That was tough. Two years ago. Yep. Yes. Just spend a little time with Colin. That's all I asked for.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Well, dude, would you want to? to do that. Come on now. Well, that was the bummer. This movie takes place in New York City. She must have been like, damn it, I got to spend the whole summer at home. All right, but maybe can, like, can she do her investigating in the Bronx and not Staten Island?
Starting point is 00:18:42 God. I mean, there is just some wild-ass imagery in this movie that I'm putting on screen now here. And by the way, our new to the realm of horror, I think, let's keep Chihuetel in these fucking movies, man. Yeah, he's good. And I put two Chuitel here because this is
Starting point is 00:18:57 him doing a mass, but then this is him, there's like a scar on his forehead. He might be getting into some craziness here. So we got that going on. And then I am really curious what is going on with Leguizamo in this movie. Look how fucking terrifying he looks. Well, I mean, I can see how it's going to end for him.
Starting point is 00:19:15 It looks like. It's going to have... On the way out. I got heavy duty seven vibes from all of this. And I'm very happy to see Flanagan in that mode. I like having a serial killer to me, much more interesting than just a girl with a possession. You got a lot more to work with there. I think he can really do something with it.
Starting point is 00:19:35 It's got to be better than Exorcist Believers. It has to be. Oh my God. It has to be. It would almost have to be. Violence looks pretty good. I like to see that altar boy hung upside down like he was caught trespassing at the Dreadfort.
Starting point is 00:19:49 For a joke for 10 years. Yeah, no, I'm really excited for it and you've got some great stuff in here. Again, we stopped playing the trailers and watching them on this thing because YouTube sets the stream to kill mode. But I love the speech that Chuitel is giving and you get the end of it. You know, like, my name is Legion. So that makes my ears prick up. And a blink and you miss it. I think the exorcist is the titular exorcist in this movie, Larry Fishburn.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Oh, yeah. There's the one shot of Larry Fishburn. He's got the Bible. He's all decked out. For sure. Very serious. Dude, Larry Fishburn's saying, the power of Christ compels you potentially or some variation on that.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Very excited. I mean, it's very exciting, but it's also no gigantic Russell Crow and a little scooter. I know. And you know, two things can be true, man. I can be excited for this and I can want another pope's exorcises. Well, maybe at the end we'll just build an exorcism of verse. You know what I mean? I said, I heard you had trouble in the Bronx.
Starting point is 00:20:52 Here I am or whatever, you know, that kind of thing. I would watch that. A cold open where he has a heart attack while eating a meatball and dies. That's, I'm very much of that. Oh, so Russell Crow's Exorcist is helping Larry Fishburn from beyond the grave is what we're saying. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Maybe I'd watch that. No, I'm super excited for this. And we'll talk about it briefly a little later. But just watching Carrie and like just feeling like that Flanagan vibe again. I'm like, oh yeah. Okay. Like I'm ready for this.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I was surprised that this exorcist, at least the trailer, and I mean, I haven't actually gone through the IMDB. Only one Flanagan staple. You see a blink and you miss it. I believe it's Rahul Kahil. Yeah, is in it for like. Colji, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he did it for one second. I was like, where are any Battlestar Galactica actors?
Starting point is 00:21:43 What are they doing? Why are they left out of this one? You can hire like the Brits from your crew so Rahul can come over and be in the movie. You're not getting any of them Canadians. We're not doing that. You keep all those Canadian television actors. up there in Canada. Yeah, because Timoa Pena cat,
Starting point is 00:22:00 I believe his name is. He's also in Carrie as the father. I was waiting for D to show up in this thing. Maybe you get Silon number 12 would be fun. It's a shame that What's His Face is dead now. The guy from Quantum Leap, Eric,
Starting point is 00:22:16 the Scott Beacula? No, I mean Dean Stockwell. Dean Stockwell, the great time. He was amazing. Shocked to find Guy as in Slow Horses. Oh, really? That's pretty fun. That's where he is. That's the, I love that guy.
Starting point is 00:22:29 He's in, I think season two or three, he's, he's, he's, he's featured pretty highly. Does he play the horse? He's not a horse. Sad to say, he is not any of the horses. I've not seen slow horses. I don't think there's any horses in it, though. That might be the thing. What the fuck, dude?
Starting point is 00:22:44 But they're called slow horses, and he is not one of those. Oh, the spy agency is called slowness? Yeah, he's not even a metaphorical slow horse. No. That's unfortunate. So, yeah, March. 12th, 2027 is one that comes out. We will see, but I'm excited for it.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Okay, we got a lot of stuff to talk about that we have put in front of our peepers. Some of these will be shorter than others for various reasons. One of them being, we still don't want to spoil things for people. So we'll get this one right out of the way. The new Inioritu Digger.
Starting point is 00:23:16 And normally these are off-screen, but I'm putting this on-screen, but almost off-screen is what I'm calling this one, because the showtimes are vanishing. And I have to say, I've I don't care whether or not folks like this. Like it's obviously the most divisive narrative film of the year.
Starting point is 00:23:32 But what I don't appreciate from some folks that I've seen crying about the lack of like original stuff coming out of Hollywood, but then also celebrating the box office failure of this movie. You can't do that.
Starting point is 00:23:47 You can't celebrate an original thing just because you didn't like I mean, that's, I think that's it's fucking shitty. Like you can't say you support, you know. You're right. And the lessons here is, you know what? How about 19 more Spider-Man movies? How about that?
Starting point is 00:24:03 Yeah. And, I mean, again, it's completely fine if you didn't like it. I know two guys in this four-guy conversation didn't like it. That's totally cool. I think it's one of the best of the year. But go ahead. Chris and Steve hate it. I think it's one of the best of the year.
Starting point is 00:24:15 I think, I mean, you know, I'm not going to spoil it because, I mean, there's a turn in it that's early on. I suggest really go see it. Decide for yourself. I agree with that. ad campaign. But it's like not about just the climate crisis. It's also about how in the end of things, and end of it, you know, how art is just controlled by the very people that are destroying the world. Art is only made by the rich essentially. And it's fitting to be the last real Warner Brothers movie as it's gobbled up. And that's like an eerie thing for sure. Steve, you, I noticed,
Starting point is 00:24:49 rated it a little higher than Chris. So how are you feeling about it? I think that like it's a, it's a really good looking movie, I think, I'm trying to be positive. Cruz is good in spurts. I think, and I appreciate, as the kids say, I appreciate the swing. I do, I like what Eric's sentiment is. I have issues with the sort of meta-narrative or contextual. The certain things that the movie does sort of insulate itself from being able to be criticized at all.
Starting point is 00:25:20 It's like, well, actually, because in the middle of the movie, Tom Cruise does this really impassioned speech about. how fucking complacent we all are and you want to, you know, you want to do your big, you want to, you want to complain about climate control, but you're getting stuff of Amazon and like, right on, good for you. But then later on, it just sort of is like,
Starting point is 00:25:39 but that's not even, you know what I mean? There's enough that undercuts it where I'm like, so what are we even saying? And I also think that like, to the point of like art can't really criticize anything and art can't really matter, then why are you spending $180 million dollars trying to make me believe in,
Starting point is 00:25:55 care about anything in that world. That's that's kind of where I kind of land on it without getting really deep in the stuff of it. I don't want to give anything away because maybe there's a chance to still save us. That's how I mean, that's how I look at it, right? Because like not to give too much away, but this is, let's say, in the not too distant future. Right. And I feel like it is, I read it at least as like a rallying cry. Like this is where it's, I mean, this is a hardcore version of where it's leaning.
Starting point is 00:26:24 and it's only going to get worse if we don't do something. I mean, that I think is, it's probably what is causing a lot of the annoyance about this movie or, you know, at least some of it is like, yeah, we're having this critique about, like, art and patronage and things like that. And then also, like, there's the climate thing. But I think, like, there are ways that you can tie those both together because the rich are kind of doing both of those things. So there is that to do.
Starting point is 00:26:49 But Chris Cabin, go ahead. I think that's what a lot of people who are watching it are doing the work, in your retitue. I don't think that's in the movie. I think the movie is pretty where it ends up at least and I'm trying not to say anything here. But the last like images you see of it suggest to me it's already over. It's all dry done. Everything that you are worried about is already done. And that to me coupled with a lot of the stuff that's in the God, how do you say this? So the non-political scenes and the political scenes. Sure. This is part of the non-political scenes, but there is a speech towards the end of this movie, a big speech by a descendant of Digger, let's say.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And I think that kind of puts the stamp on it about like, this is all, you know, all this is just like to make us feel better about where this world has ended up. And like, if you believe stuff like that, why do you care what Marvel
Starting point is 00:27:50 does? Why do you care about any of this shit? And like, he I don't think he answers that. I think it's just something that he's like, I'm just angry about all this and I just want to throw it up there. And that's fine. But I don't find it very compelling.
Starting point is 00:28:06 I feel like when the non-political scenes start, I was reminded a lot of Birdman. And I felt like a lot of it just felt like a Xerox of Burnman. I feel like a lot of people just have a grudge against Inuritu and they're taking that. When you say something, we're perceiving is not in the movie.
Starting point is 00:28:25 I think some of the stuff you're perceiving is not in the movie because it's a birdman hate from 10 years ago. It's not Birdman hate for it. I think there's an argument to be made that they're very similar dialogues. They're talking about very similar things. It's true. And they use one contrivance that I don't think he understands or doesn't portray very well in either. And because it's Lubeski as well, a lot of the shots look like Birdman.
Starting point is 00:28:48 And that's not me going like, if Inner Reto made a movie I'd like and he has made movies I like, I would go to a bath for them. But for the last couple, like, to me there's a very similar thing to me. He is an author. Like, he does very similar things. And the things he's done has always just kind of been
Starting point is 00:29:06 you know, this from me, kind of like mediocre, whatever. Some of it's interesting. A lot of it isn't. And it just, as a cumulative force, doesn't it hit me the way that it hits a lot of other people. I think in five or ten years, I'm going to welcome you back to the Digger
Starting point is 00:29:22 family. This is something I will, I do have to talk about. What is it with everybody calling their Babe Ruth shot about this movie being re-evaluated? Because why? It will be. Well, one, because it's a divisive movie. Defensive, yes, but like movies that are re-evaluate are usually movies that were buried. Everybody disliked them.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Like Southland Tales, there were so few people who actually came out and were like, we, I really like this. I feel like the Digger audience, I'm not sure if it's 50-50, but it's close enough to that to me. There's a difference there, Chris, because, you know, critically this movie was panned, right? Like Digger was also panned. But back when Southland Tales came out, you didn't have that instant social media. The letterbox wasn't around, right? So I feel like there was less noise about movies in general. That's a possibility. That's sure.
Starting point is 00:30:15 I think just for me who put it literally in my letterbox review, I'll see some of you in five to 10 years. One, I write jockey letterboxed reviews, so that's part of it, but also that was me being like, I hope people come around to it. I hope, you know, maybe someone rewatches it someday and maybe sees it a little differently. But I think whatever happens
Starting point is 00:30:34 with this movie, whether it falls into obscurity or whether it finds itself re-evaluated, and I also think, like, things that more people than the positive Southland Tales audience can see a thing and you can still then say it'll be re-evaluated later.
Starting point is 00:30:50 or re-evaluated and you're like, it actually, I was wrong and it sucked. I can't remember the last time it's happened where like the people themselves did it though. Like this was, I mean, I guess it's, was it Quaron? Who came out and did the thing? Like, here's a list of the movies that have like failed. His buddies came in and I like his buddies quite a bit. I like tutorial as well.
Starting point is 00:31:14 I didn't mean like really going to bat, which makes sense. I mean, either A, and I believe they A like the movie and B, they're trying to pump up something. Everyone was shitting on any Ritu, not only like, almost getting personal with it, even though that's weird. I don't like, I don't like his stuff. The same exact thing happened with the revenant. And the only reason it didn't happen with Bardo is because
Starting point is 00:31:32 that movie was on Netflix and nobody saw it. So I feel like this dude, there is something, I don't know what it is, but you're right. There is something about when this dude puts out stuff that people see, they fucking come for this dude's children. And I don't, I really don't understand it. I don't understand it. I think this, I mean, back to the movie itself,
Starting point is 00:31:53 I also think a big original sin of it for me is it's really unfunny. I didn't, I mean, like, there's some cast stuff in the beginning that's very funny. And then a lot, I think Sandra Wheeler is terrible in this movie. I love Sandra Cooner. Wow. But I think she is absolutely awful, woefully miscast. Like, you think, like, she's not believable in that role? Like, she's bad at acting in the movie here?
Starting point is 00:32:16 Yes. That's kind of where I'm, or just not right for. a comedy where she's playing a other lady. Can we agree we like the voice? Can we agree we like the Texan voice? Cruz's performance I think is, I mean, I want to see that dude do more
Starting point is 00:32:31 comedy. I think he's a very funny person because he's able to channel that insane action movie intensity into comedy, which is a really weird skill, but I think he pulls it off. I thought it was really funny and I didn't think that she was terrible.
Starting point is 00:32:47 And I think that that's what's really cool about this movie is like there are just I mean that's like me me and Steve on this movie is like the fucking Groucho Marx mirror thing like we're just on opposite sides of it but like that's okay because when is the last time a movie sort of juzed up people in this way
Starting point is 00:33:02 and so I you know I love all the attention it's getting good or bad you know yes it's just good good art provokes a reaction which I will say I'll take a small umbrage I think I mean look who cares about people I'm not I'm trying to find the right way to frame
Starting point is 00:33:19 this. It's not good that people celebrate the demise of a movie, but I don't know, like, being on the other side of something getting worked up, I can sort of see it. It gets, it certainly goes too far. You know what I mean? Like, I will say that. But I mean, I think that like, it is a movie that is, it is sort of like puckish in the way that it is stumbling its nose at people. And I think that is something where you can either be like, well, fuck you too. Or you can be like, well, right on. And I think that is sort of what this movie is doing. It's a light of rot in that. you're totally right. People feel insulted by the movie. I really am puzzled by that reaction. I mean, I wasn't to you, but like I get it if you're somebody who's like, this is my whole
Starting point is 00:34:01 identity in my hand, you know, where I fucking love that I can get a shitty DVD in two days. Like, I could see people being like personally hurt. But that's the thing is it bugs me so much when we have that big speech and then we say, A, nothing matters. And then B, we again, like 180. million, if you really care about that, don't let $180 million on fire and do something that is more worthwhile than whatever this movie's trying to say. But I think what's very important though is
Starting point is 00:34:29 like we're saying that this movie is like saying disparate things, but I think it's important that like one character is saying one thing and another character is saying the other thing. And so I think it's not the movie saying two different things. The movie is sort of like which side are you on? Like what
Starting point is 00:34:45 how do you feel about this issue? You know, I would side with digger. in this instance, right? But that's just me. You know, so I think that also might play into what you're talking about a little bit, Steve. Fair, yeah, sure. But, you know, we actually went
Starting point is 00:34:59 longer on this that I thought we were going to. Of course, it's going to be an hour. It was no matter what. But I was surprised that, like, we were able to do this without fucking talking about the turn of the movie. So good, good for us for doing that. We'll keep moving right along here. This one is a Chris and Steve thing,
Starting point is 00:35:14 but it is kind of an 8-24 party on this episode. So, guys, you thought, on prime time. A24 party bitches. I really like this one. I think it pairs well with the very good documentary last Predators. Predators. Right. I still got to see that. I think both are worth watching kind of in conversation with each other, even though I don't think that they're like neither one knew about. I mean, I think that prime time probably knew about predators, but predators didn't know about primetime. Right. But I think that it's
Starting point is 00:35:46 really interesting story. I think it's hyper fictionalized and hyper truncated. If you look at certain things that happen in Chris Hanson's life that are portrayed, you're like, oh, that happens years later than what this moment is. Right. So you got to give it up for that. But I think
Starting point is 00:36:02 it's just, it looks great. The acting is fantastic. Merritt Weaver is fucking amazing. Oh, I love her. That's good. Incredible. And so is Skylar Gazando. And of course, Barry and Lee Pattinson is fucking funny. No, Chris, I'll let you speak.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Sorry. Oh, no, no. I think it's a really fantastic movie. And I do, I agree. I think it's exactly the other side of predators, which, rightfully so, it doesn't try to be sensationalized.
Starting point is 00:36:27 It's very much a dry documentary trying to get its point across. And I think it does that very well. This movie is a much more eclectic version of that. And I think it works on its own terms as well. Like, the different visuals, the different speed,
Starting point is 00:36:44 different fucking kinds of like lenses they get you going with. It's so nuts the way that they switch styles so much in this movie without it being like preordained. Like so many of these movies I watch them and the switch is like a big deal in this.
Starting point is 00:37:00 This it's more in mood. You're trying to get a scene to get a certain feeling and he does it in this very, Oppenheim, I want to say Lance Oppenheim who has another big movie this weekend. Yeah. I mean, the acting is phenomenal.
Starting point is 00:37:17 And I think they, we didn't talk, Phoebe Bridgers, I think is really good in her role. Oh, she's acting in the movie? She's in the movie, yes. Her and, uh, what do you go? Scarlett was on. They play like a pair of like the people who play bait for the pedophiles.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Oh, okay. And it's, it's good casting. It's a very small and like very weird. Another Eric joined the chat. Oh, no. The hell? Uh, and also I want to be clear,
Starting point is 00:37:41 Eric, if you're on the fence about this. Frozen, I think. that's what's going on. Or, Andrew, if you're on the fence about this. Yeah. And it's not spoiling too much. Jonathan Lipnicki Dickie, F.YI. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Jonathan Lip Dickie? Jonathan Lip Dickie. The human dick weighs four pounds, brother. Wow. Let me let you know that. At the end, it sort of goes, it ends really well, but I think it goes a little bit above its skis, which makes it a little like a four star, not like a four and a half for me, but it's, I think it's a really, really strong American movie this year.
Starting point is 00:38:10 And I wouldn't be surprised if it's very celebrated at the end. I would love to. to see Patenton get some attention for it. I think for sure. Really phenomenal. And like as you said, it goes big and it's exactly why I think it's a perfect pair with predators is because it takes that chance
Starting point is 00:38:26 that the like actual when you're dealing with the actual meat of what's talking about, you should not be sensational at all. So I like that this, it's about TV. It's about sensation. And I think that's what he gets right. And Patinson
Starting point is 00:38:42 it is, I like the, it's not like he's not as much a villain as as in Odyssey or something like that. But the amount of villainy he allows into that portrayal to me is so measured and so beautifully looked at as a way to get at what they're talking about. Like it blew me away. It really did. Now, like we said, this is directed by Lance Oppenheim. This is, I was looking at his IMDB. I'm fairly certain. This was his first narrative.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Generally, when that happens with a documentarian, you get things. like Canadian bacon. Sure. You get things like Blair Witch 2, Book of Shadows. So I think it's kind of fascinating that here's this fella coming in
Starting point is 00:39:28 and it works. Does it feel I mean, does it feel like it's made by a documentarian? It cleared that low bar, that's for sure. Yeah. I think, but I, no, there's definitely hints of it. Like, there's a lot of like B-roll footage of just like, you know, the houses they film in, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:44 I mean, you just sort of have these overhead angles, like the buzzy nature of like a film set kind of stuff. Like there's a lot of verity to it, I think. Yes, that's interesting. Which is neat. I think it plays well with what the subject matter and how they portray it is. Nice. Speaking of Mr. Oppenheim, yes, him and Nathan Fielder do indeed have a three-hour documentary out.
Starting point is 00:40:05 Called, you can see everything. And yeah, I saw this yesterday. And it was just a really rock and experience. a sold out screening of a documentary in a large AMC auditorium never thought I'd see that day. This was so engrossing. I know a lot of people have been saying it,
Starting point is 00:40:26 but I could have watched another three hours. Like, top it on, you know. Absolutely. And congrats to Oppenheim and Fielder and everybody for making a fucking movie. This so could have been three parts on HBO. This so could have been four parts on Netflix. Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:40 Five parts on whatever. Because again, three hours, they probably have 10 hours with the footage and could have cut in fun little episodes and I'm sure with Fielder's you know TV background
Starting point is 00:40:49 that was definitely something people were probably edging him to do but I think it's a really strong movie and the fact that it is a movie matters and it meant you know what I mean like by the end of it
Starting point is 00:40:59 and I mean the fielder you know especially I just got into Nathan for you we're just kind of slowly going through it it's a fun you know lucky you if it touch dated you know 2013 comedy but very funny
Starting point is 00:41:11 and the rehearsal really blew me away And I think that both of those seasons end so strongly and have these sort of like stomach, not stomach, stomach flipping like, oh, we're doing this now kind of thing. Right. In both of those rehearsal seasons. And it's not forced, but when it happens in this and you can see everything, you're like, oh, we're going here. We're doing all of these things with the things we were setting up in the first half. And you're like, your mind is blown, I think, a little bit in a way that it hasn't been for me in a movie for quite a while. I mean, there's no way to predict this.
Starting point is 00:41:46 And I really, if you haven't seen it, avoid everything, including this. Everything. Just get away from it as quickly if possible. It's the, because to what you're talking about, there are, I could tell in the movie when they would have cut it up. I could, I could see it from it. There's a three episode version of this easy out there. This could have been telemarketers very quickly. Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:11 And just as much as I think Telemarkers would have been better as a movie. I think this is just so much better as a movie as a full experience of seeing it because also of its subject matter like truth and like what is lying? What is sincerity? All these things that are very important
Starting point is 00:42:28 to what the three characters. I mean, there's a bunch of characters but all the characters in this movie are talking about is what can you tell? What is a gimmick? What is a ploy? all these things. And it is to me, it's so good that they go back to the through line being that New York Times article and that one line that they come back to at the end. It is so great that
Starting point is 00:42:52 they thought that through and got it all the way through that. I was stunned by it. It's really great. And I do love there is this ambiguous nature to the entire thing. I love it. This isn't a spoiler, really. I mean, it just doesn't have answers. No. And it doesn't pretend it does. It is just a let's just see what happens like i respect the patience of nathan feel there's so much watching these conversations unfold the dude just really has a certain gift for i i think it's because he's a unassuming tiny little nerd that like people just people just talk to this guy and i think that is one of his greatest superpowers and you can see it here you can just see i was i was like thinking to myself like well now i would say or i
Starting point is 00:43:41 would jump in and say and this dude just like hangs back you know what i mean yeah and i think that's really great yeah and i feel like if you were to if you were to watch this in three parts and i think you've probably already you know mentioned this i think you said this another way steve but like it it possesses some sort of uh energy watching it all in one thing that you just wouldn't get if you're interrupted twice by credits if you're interrupted twice by like skip the, you know, skip intro or, you know, all that shit, right? And so then. A slow horses commercial before you watch it.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Precisely. Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm getting ready to settle in for part two and then Gary Oldman's farting on my TV. Like, which he does fart in that first season. He does. Yes. Very important to know. A lot of that.
Starting point is 00:44:30 But then it got me thinking, right? Because also another thing that Lance Oppenheim directed that we all really liked, but it was broken up into a three part thing was that Renfair. Yes. Yeah. For sure. So then I start thinking like. well shit I would watch a two hour and 57 minute cut of whatever like
Starting point is 00:44:45 absolutely I would like that option on some of these HBO things because it is so obvious that that is sort of what they're doing by the way so I want to get into something divisive Billy Evans her husband is not does not come off well in the movie that's not a spoiler I think he comes off horribly yes he's a horrible person dude's a real piece of shit garbage and I'm seeing weird like now the all the worst people are now sticking up for him today and like blah blah blah, blah. Like, oh, he did nothing wrong. He's supporting his wife. All the weirdest shit
Starting point is 00:45:15 in the world. I will say one thing. And I think the egg scene is very, very important to the movie. And the way that he grabs it out of her hand is absolutely deplorable. And I would be divorced if I even touch that. However, I know where you're going with this. Go ahead. She was not
Starting point is 00:45:31 beating those eggs correctly. Someone needed to step in some way. Certainly he did it the wrong way. Someone needed to step in in some way and be like, these eggs are not being beaten correctly. correct, but I don't think anybody had to step in. I think we... If we were going to have subpar eggs,
Starting point is 00:45:47 so be it. Don't be it for being a human. I would... Yeah, that's very fair. For being a human. I would love that. I would absolutely love that. I will tell you, though, part of this movie, and I think it speaks to a larger thing about
Starting point is 00:46:01 like, these billionaire tech people that are like running our world are fucked up broken losers. Okay? And I'm watching her in this movie. And part of me was like, is this going to be some,
Starting point is 00:46:17 because, you know, I think wild things when someone says to me, like, you're never going to believe what happens in this movie. And everybody's talking about the reveals and whatever. My imagination just goes crazy. And I was like, oh, fuck. Like, I'm watching the egg thing.
Starting point is 00:46:29 And then the who's on first thing. And I'm like, oh, she's an alien. Like Nathan Fielder is going to tell me that this woman is an actual alien from outer space. Yes. Because this is not a functioning human being. And I mean, like, literally, like, the, I think the, what do you call it there, you learn so much about, again, your point about technical is totally right.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Like, when Billy is just watching these fucking YouTube videos about mitochondria or whatever, at two times speed, because that's the most efficient way to do. I'm like, you're not learning anything. And you can tell that he's not learning anything. But he could say that he's doing it and it's really fucking cool. It doesn't it look awesome. Like, I look so fucking cool. I'm learning about all this science shit at a thousand times of speed.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Oh, wait. Back. Oh, maybe. So, folks, we should say, confirmation where Eric lives, there was a Verizon outage. Here's Eric. Eric, can you hear us? Began. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:25 Frozen again. We'll see. We'll keep going. Eric, just shout out when you can hear us. Yep. When you can. I guess not then. I can hear you.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Can you hear me? There's a lot of work now. Yeah. Yeah. My Verizon went down to my block and, I'm shocked that it's back already. Verizon went down on your what? I wish.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Block. My BD, dude. Oh, dude. I see. I'm down on my BD. Sorry, everyone. I really hate when that happens.
Starting point is 00:47:52 No, that's okay. You're the only one that didn't say BD and the internet kicked you off anyway. I know. It's very strange. It came for you. But yes,
Starting point is 00:47:59 long story short, go see you can see everything. Absolutely. It's well worth the hype. It's just, it talks about really large things in a not ham-fisted way and it's really it's one of the more interesting movies that I've seen in like five years
Starting point is 00:48:14 it is finally a bulwark against efficiency it's a three-hour movie about someone everybody should hate but it's a three-hour movie and it's great the way it is and it gets into the right places that I think it should go without getting protective I was really really happy with it can I tell you guys I had the honor the distinct privilege of sitting in front of
Starting point is 00:48:38 the dumbest person and the five birds to go see this movie this weekend. This woman had no fucking clue what she was even doing there. And I mean, first of all, just join to the boyfriend the whole fucking time.
Starting point is 00:48:53 She didn't know she was in a movie theater. Honestly, dude, I don't know. Like, she's sitting behind me and like every, you know, so a lot of the funnier parts of the movie is the classic fielder thing of they cut to him
Starting point is 00:49:08 and he's just a weird nerd and he's making a weird nerd face and it's fucking hilarious every time, right? Every time it was happening and the audience is erupting in laughter she's like, why are they laughing? What is so funny? Well, did she understand
Starting point is 00:49:24 how who's on first works either or maybe not? Here's this, the boyfriend. The first baseman's name is who? And I'm, I'm like, oh, fuck, I think I maybe got an alien behind me. She's dumb as a bucket of whale shit. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Whaleful. Yeah, dude, it was a real fucking whale fart, real whale brain fart. She was so just lost in this movie. You say that my whole audience was not getting a lot of the funny parts. Oh, really? Whenever the pauses were happening or whenever, like, there was an actual, like, where Billy does something, you're like, what the fuck? Like, everybody was just, like, quiet.
Starting point is 00:50:04 And I was like gasping out in the front row being like, why? And without spoiling anything, candlebox light shine down. Greatest needle drop of the year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:14 Yep. Easily. That was a circle. That was another thing though. It was like she didn't understand why everybody reacted to the candle box song. She was like,
Starting point is 00:50:22 what is the, what is happening? She's fucking got it. I heard I got to go to the bathroom. She fucking left for like 20 minutes. And I thought part of me, part of me was like, oh awesome like she fucked off like she was like i'll see you at home and left and that was the most peaceful
Starting point is 00:50:42 best 20 minutes of me viewing the movie but honestly lady if you're out there if you were at the fucking 215 screening at the amc magic johnson up in harlem you were too dumb to see that movie 20 minutes in the bathroom and she came back yeah that's a poo-poo caca i believe so i don't get this movie and I have the shit. Excuse me. So that was just some stuff we were catching in and around the theaters here, but we are getting close to the end of the hour here. And we want to bring in a couple other things real quick that we were catching on television because it's the Halloween season. We got some Halloween horror TV. And speaking of Mr. Flanagan, we'll get through this one first because
Starting point is 00:51:22 I think we've watched less of this than we have the other. But yes, his carry is out. Both series we're going to talk about, I should say, just dumped on the respective platforms. just don't. Is this actually Mike Flanagan or is this another fake Flanagan? No, this is actually Mike Flanagan. I don't think he direct. It's probably eight episodes. I imagine he doesn't direct everyone.
Starting point is 00:51:41 I haven't been keeping track. We just, we got up through, Chelsea and I are both watching it. We got up through episode three. The third episode is directed by Kate Siegel. So I don't know who did the other two. Got it. Yeah, I mean.
Starting point is 00:51:53 But he's a Shepard. It's a TV show that he's like the showrunner on. Showrunner. Yeah, he's definitely, he's showrunner. He developed it. Yeah, I don't think he directed every single. I know he didn't direct every single.
Starting point is 00:52:01 single episode. So far I'm into it. I want to get into it. My wife checked out, which is fair. I don't have the one. What wasn't working for Jen? Is she like, is she a fan of the property in general? She likes the property and I think she wasn't, I wasn't the whatever seems like a documentary style of the first episode was sort of a little bit eyebrow raising and like eh. And then like whatever the, and I'll just say it's the end of the episode, Gene Gray's school of whatever is going on the episode at the end of the first episode it'll be explained to me when I have no idea she was like yeah I'm done I'm like that
Starting point is 00:52:37 makes sense but I want to find out the mystery of whatever that is sure even though it seems like a remarkable swing in well it's kind of interesting because both of these horror series that are based on existing things you got to do something
Starting point is 00:52:52 and Crystal Lake does the exact same thing if there is an expansion of the world and yeah I mean you kind of either get on board with it or you don't I will say though three episodes in that stuff from the beginning has not come back yet. Okay. So we are, it's, it's very much just
Starting point is 00:53:09 the carry story school stuff and you know, episode three is she goes to a party, you know, and what goes on with all that? We'll say episode three, you see this mother cleaning a fucking toilet at this like Walmart that she's working in or whatever. Now I'm in. I was, I almost vomited. She fucking fix out this used condom
Starting point is 00:53:28 the bathroom floor, dude. And they did. yeah, Amazon put this money where it needs to be. The condom was filled, ladies. Oh, good, good. Did they dribble it out for? No dribbling, but the condoms was filled, okay? That's more than other productions would be. I will say, I love, I really like this actor Samantha Sloane, who plays Carrie's mother.
Starting point is 00:53:48 She was also, but like, and like, again, Flanagan, even more than West Anderson, or literally anyone I've ever seen, he loves the same actor. So she's the same. Yes. She's kind of playing almost the same character for Midnight Mass a little bit, like this. Like this religious doubty, whatever. And I'm like, she must be like, I will take the role. Can I play like a cool, sexy spy next time?
Starting point is 00:54:09 Can I be like a, or even like a, or a loving mother? Yeah. Give her a chance. I would say give her a chance, Mike. Didn't she play a kind of against type character in Fall, the House of Usher? Oh, right. One of the kids. And I think that might be a little bit against type.
Starting point is 00:54:25 But more often than not, though, yes, you're right. It is the dowdy. usually a zealid for religious reasons because that's what she is in Midnight Mass right, just a religious salad this is very similar to that but I think she's very good in what she's doing there the girl
Starting point is 00:54:40 the young girl playing Carrie here Summer H. Howell sounds like a fucking Gilligan's Island character she's really great I think she's fantastic she plays Carrie with this like air of curiosity that I think is really interesting I mean this this movie makes her basically like
Starting point is 00:54:59 a bunker child kind of. She's a dog tooth girl, honestly. There's a lot of where she's like, you know, what's Google and learning about the world? So I think that that's more isolated than the De Palma interpretation. She still is very isolated and weird, but it's just kind of a different, a different level of being in the dark, I think. The broken Kimmy Schmidt. Yes. Both of red hair, by the way.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Yeah, that's what I thought. You're totally right. She is the broken Kimmy Schmidt. it. But we're going to finish it out. I'm having a good time with it. And again, it is just kind of nice feeling those Flanagan vibes again. I enjoy his stuff. Chris, you, you know, I mean, I just watched the first episode like you. So I'm certainly interested. I, I, uh, fall of Usher is the one that I really love by him. The rest of him I'm kind of in the middle about. So I'm interested for sure. And I like the story a lot. You have a, uh, I mean, as compared to the DiPama, I can certainly see if you're comparing them both.
Starting point is 00:55:59 I would see why you would have this taste here, but I think it's its own good thing, the way Flanagan is exploring it in his own way. We'll see what he does. Yeah, I mean, you're turning into a TV series. The De Palma movie is like 98 minutes. Steve, have you read the book? No,
Starting point is 00:56:14 Jen has also read the book. It's pretty small I think. It's not, you know, it's so like the, yeah, because that's what I was wondering when all that added stuff at the beginning, I was like, is this stuff that's like maybe mentioned offhandedly in the book or something? Yeah, apparently this is all It's all, it's all fighting, which again, like, yeah, points for that. And I mean, I could see either or a bit, you know, that kind of a deal.
Starting point is 00:56:33 All right. So this last one here, Eric Siska, we're going to take the lead from you, my friend, because you have seen a bunch of this as well, but Crystal Lake on Peacock, man, whole baby. Finished it now. And I understand a lot of people are upset with it. I don't really know why, because it's exploring a time period that you never have really seen before. And at the same time, that lore was made, that that lore never made sense. anyway. Like, what are you defending the old lore for?
Starting point is 00:57:00 There was a guy that I think he's made like a pretty popular fan film of Jason doing whatever. And that guy was really pissed off. And it was this whole thing about like, because his phone didn't ring. Right? I mean, yes, that's 90% of it that he's not saying. Yes, that's absolutely correct. He's not Brad Caleb Kane. He's possibly angry about that. But like, he was like, They have disgraced the lore of Pamela and Jason Voorhees. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? There's no lore, sir. This is not Tolkien.
Starting point is 00:57:38 There's not fucking endless novels. And it's just a fucking lady that got decapitated on a lake. What are you talking about? Like never like, okay, so then he read in the original lore. Like he drowns, he's alive on the shore. He kills people. He's got, you know, learning disabilities. I call them.
Starting point is 00:57:58 And that's basically it. Eventually he gets killed for real. And then he comes back from the dead later. This is, you know, making like, why is he? I mean,
Starting point is 00:58:07 I guess at the same time, you don't really need to super explain everything at the same time, but it sort of explains why he is strong and why this is that and this is that. So I guess people don't like that after dealing with this character for 45 years or whatever. Yeah. Well, what were you going to do with a TV series? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:58:27 I mean, I just, like, were you just going to make it like a movie for eight hours? Like, like one of those movies? Like, I don't think you would have done that. And I don't think you would have gotten a lot of people to get on board with your vision. You can't get mileage out of that. That's not. There's nothing there for you. So, like, I mean, I don't like a lot of TV and I like this.
Starting point is 00:58:49 This is, I thought was very strongly done. And I thought it was wrapped up very well. I thought it gets better as it goes on, in my opinion. And you know what's funny is like the whole Halloween franchise, which I mean, the Friday is indebted too. Like that is such a Swiss cheese timeline. Why can't you just say this is over there and this is over here? That's the thing. Yep.
Starting point is 00:59:10 The only way to look at it. The twist or whatever has been spoiled for me. Oh. And I'm like, I'm not into that. But it's like, which is fine. But you should actually watch the show versus someone on Twitter saying this is what the twist is. The other thing about the twist and everything is like the show knows it's dumb, but, you know, or like silly. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:59:33 Like it's having fun with stuff. It's not all hack and slash in the woods. Because again, like Chris said, like you can't make eight episodes out of that. You have to have something and like this like mad. I almost spoiled it. The route that it takes, I think is funny. It's goofy. I was having fun on peacock.
Starting point is 00:59:53 Steve, you might actually like. this the twist and the turn here because that's when suddenly hamish link later is like a main character for three episodes wonderful fan of that he's rocking and rolling well yeah and i just like yes i also think we should all be taking less notes from stranger things i am with you on that for sure but like i i didn't see it just ham-fistedly doing that it felt like it got there on its own the thing that it's doing that people are so busy about i i think it's ridiculous to get that angry about it, but like, no, that's just me. Because like you're at the end of the day, folks, we are talking about Friday the 13th.
Starting point is 01:00:30 What are you talking about? You know, like, come on. And, you know, those movies are fun, but usually you don't have these performances like Cardalini's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, she's great. William Catlett blew me away. Really, really good.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Get this guy a movie or something. Seriously. He's fantastic as like the Crystal Lake Sheriff. And also like, Chelsea pointed out when I was talking to her about it and just like, you know, telling her why I liked it. She was like, yeah, because you've always been talking about Crystal Lake Townies. Like the show really builds up like Crystal Lake Townies in an interesting way. And Steve, I think something that you'll think is cool too. There is a whole part of one episode.
Starting point is 01:01:07 They reenact the hitchhiker coming into town from the first movie. And they went back to Blair, New Jersey and filmed at the exact same spots. And like the diner, it's still the same diner set that they filmed. That diner. Yeah. It's really, it's really cool. And I think like it does a really interesting job about like stuff that's like for the fans isn't necessarily fan service. There's just like references to things like they go to a bar and the bar is called the Pakenackenac Lodge.
Starting point is 01:01:36 And the Packinac Lodge is the cabin from part two that they're all hanging around at. So just really sort of like interesting things like that. I think it's worth everybody's time. I watched it in two days. Exactly. And they've they filmed it in New Jersey. They filmed it in the northeast. It looks like a northeastern forest for the first.
Starting point is 01:01:53 first time in the franchise since like one since one cool yeah um so it's big recommend from from chris you finish the whole thing right oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's it's a recommend i'm i'm i'm hopeful it gets a season two i don't know what that would look like but i will be there yeah i'll totally be there i don't know what it would be either but i think it it does end in a really interesting place and yeah the cool cool performance is all around and cool refs and honestly we haven't mentioned it at all Cool kills. I mean, people are getting fucking murdered on this show, which is really nice. You know what's like a BD we were talking about earlier?
Starting point is 01:02:32 A pea size cock, peacock. It's on peacock. Oh, there you go. It is on peacock. But that is going to do it, folks. That is all that we have put in here, all the pod that is fit to spit, I say. But if you want to hear us talk more, don't worry. There is a bevy of stuff coming out this week.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Also, one thing that came out on Friday, if you missed it, over on Patreon too old for this shit on Lantern Season 1. We dropped that last Friday. A little bit of a sneak release there. So if you miss that, that's us going along on a pretty decent TV show. Yeah, yeah. One that we also said we'd come back for.
Starting point is 01:03:06 If you thought we were too positive on this episode, that one gets, you know. Yeah, there you go. We definitely had our squabbles with it, but listen and decide for yourself. The Spuctacular is continuing, of course, a pace here. Coming to an end is the back half of the Spuctuctor. another one in Franchise Town. This one was a lot of fun.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Coming out tomorrow, Child's Play 2. Yeah. I'm still working my way through it, guys. I watched most of Bride of Chucky last night. I got a few more minutes on that guy. They got all the sequels up there on Netflix and they're all coming down on Thanksgiving or on Halloween.
Starting point is 01:03:41 So I'm like, this is the deadline. Let's do it. You only got a few more. Even the latter ones that are like. Curse, seed. Yeah, it's all on there. Yeah. Oh, cool. So that's pretty cool. And that episode available, wherever you get pods, but also commercial free on our Patreon. We're also The Spooktacular is rolling
Starting point is 01:03:56 over and do some bonus shows on there as well. Steve, we're talking about a pretty cool cartoon on animation damnation. Yes, we're going back to the 70s with to Switch a Witch, an old school Scooby-Doo one, not the original like the 70s one. Very, very, you know, it's all the same
Starting point is 01:04:12 vibes though. The Scooby-Doo show. That's what you're looking for. Right, right, right. That's drop in Thursday. And then Friday, Eric, closing out with a bleep glossary of a pretty disgusting fellow, huh? Baudubaz. Yes, this is a nasty looking character. He's like a lobster that floats or something. Hell yeah. Tune in to the mania that is the Gleap Glop Glossary Stories from the Star Wars universe. There you go. And then Saturday, of course, big news, which is, oh, oh, no, that fucking
Starting point is 01:04:43 son of a bitch. Yeah, I do hate when that happens. Turns out, yeah, I do hate when that happens. The control room's playing pranks on us again. And I just, I put that overlay up for no. reason because my fat fingers are all over the keyboard here. But that is going to do it, folks. We are six past the hour, so we got to get out of your hair. But thanks so much for tuning in live. And by the way, like and subscribe on this video. Help us buck that Algo.
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