We Hate Movies - S4 Ep133: Episode 133 - Copycat

Episode Date: November 26, 2013

In this week's episode, the gang is cold on the trail of the Copycat Killer with Holly Hunter and Sigourney Weaver in the 1995 cyber-ish thriller, Copycat! Could the cops in this movie be any more useless? Did we really need that newspaper in the hallway gag? And where in the hell did that Chinese gang come from? Plus: Dermot Mulroney and Dylan McDermott meld into one, handsome being. Copycat stars Holly Hunter, Sigourney Weaver, Dermot Mulroney, Will Patton and Harry Connick Jr.; directed by Jon Amiel. Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies

Hello, I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen Sadey, Chris Gavin. And we hate movies. Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, if you're new to the program, welcome and thanks for checking out the show. You are joining us in the final week of what we've

been calling Stay Tuned Month, a month in which we've been doing episodes. We've kind of been promising throughout the show's history. We had China O'Brien last week, Deep Blue Sea, the week before that. What was before that? Stay tuned. Oh, stay tuned. Yeah, what a fucking moron. I am. So this week, the final week, we are talking about the long-awaited copycat directed by John Emil. This is kind of the crown jewel of stay tuned. We've said stay tuned for copycat quite a few times. Oh, yeah. This has kind of been like Boy Who Cried Wolf Syndrome. Like I bet, you know, it's it's quite possible that before you downloaded this episode, kind listener, if you have a history with the show, you saw the listing say copycat and said, yeah, okay.

I thought about skipping it for a second. Well, I mean, we promised ourselves we do these episodes. I've promised myself I do this episode since I was what, 12. I will have a podcast. I don't know what that is. I saw this in the theaters. I got to talk about this to somebody. I was just like,

somebody's got to hear it. Somebody's got to hear what I got to say about this. Someday I will have a global platform in where I can talk about this movie. Somewhere just to talk about copycat, or as I'm calling it, Sigourney Weaverin, not without my sweater. She's pretty comfortable throughout this entire movie. I've had some creative writing professors. They all love these.

kinds of sweaters. This is a very professorial garb. I'm just going to drown my skinny body in a gigantic sweater. Yeah, because it's a grading paper sweater. It really is. You give her like a red pen and a cup of lukewarm coffee. She's

figured it out. A couple oranges new black reruns. She's ready to go. A rainy day. A note from her ex-husband. So this film Copycat, it's kind of like if any of you guys watched that show The Following on the Fox Network, that program with Kevin Bacon.

Because the basic premise is Harry Connick Jr. is a serial killer who's in jail and he starts getting a following of people, like disciples. But, you know, unlike that show where it's like this whole crazy cult and whatnot, this is like a one at a time situation. But here's the difference. Is it James Purfoy is like a genius who knows everything about literature and, you know, is Harry Connick Jr. who plays the serial killer of interest in this movie, or at least the first one, is just a fucking hillbilly. Yeah, he's a real, real dumb, slow guy. It's weird

because you don't really associate like hillbillies with serial killers. It's all like desperate, weird, uncharismatic loners. No offense, you know, the Midwest. A lot of those folks, a lot of quiet towns. All the ones we didn't catch. We're sorry that we just Just, you know. Some dude's cutting a head off a baby in his basement listening to this. Like, hey, you'll get me someday, Clarice Starling. I love that joke. Said it to myself 300 times today.

Because that's kind of the other side of this movie is Holly Hunter's character is like a D-Team Clarice Starling. 100%. And, I mean, well, it also works with what's his face with Harry Connick Jr. he's kind of a Hannibal Lecter writing all these letters to all these people corresponding with people complimenting them on their serial killing he's also looked you know he's they they seek him out for help in assisting with this well he's the mash liquor to the Dom Paragnan that is Hannibal Lecter yeah exactly yeah Hannibal Lecter was you know aged in a French basement in a

gorgeous 500 year old barrel He's the Kianti. Harry Connick Jr. was distilled in a shed somewhere. From potatoes. And, you know, just to give you an idea of, you know, the quality drop off. And I would have to do this visually, so I'm going to have to explain it to you. Anthony Hopkins and my hand's really high right now. That's pretty high for a dude your height, too.

And then I go all the way down. Touch and floor. For Harry Connick Jr. in the acting category. That's the, I hope that everyone could follow along. what I was saying there is that Anthony Hopkins is a really good actor. Right. Harry Connick Jr. not so much. Hey, here's this though. I bet you anything Harry Connick Jr. is better at playing

piano. Oh, for sure. Just putting that out there. He's got a heavenly voice. And I mean, if you want to get laid, it's going to be Harry Connick Jr. That guy can just... Everybody loves the way that guy looks, right? Well, because, I mean, that, I mean, he's doing the brewback. Like, that's his where he's gone. I mean, and it's all the Bach variations with fucking...

Yeah, there's nothing. sexy about Bach. I bet you, Brian Cranston got a really long letter from Harry Connick Jr. about how good his performance of Walter White was, he threw it in the fucking garbage. Every sentence ended with

comma, man, period. Or, you know. That did not make the internet. Gawker didn't find that one. So this movie, Sigourney Weaver, she's our main character here more or less. She plays a profiler, an expert with serial killers. She's written

a bunch of books and she's kind of made herself like public enemy number one for the serial killing community. Dr. Helen Hudson. Yeah, she's sort of like, you know, blowing the whistle on all these serial killers explaining their traits and giving all these lectures around the country. We start with her giving one of these said lectures. And, you know, she's explaining to the room, you know, statistics on serial killers. That's kind of all stuff that I always thought was just public knowledge. Any 14-year-old with the internet knew it this was. Right, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, they're predominantly white

males between such and such an age. They live alone. They this, they that. Well, the best part about it is she's giving this lecture and, you know, it is very, you know, humdrum. The fact, because obviously the screenplay isn't very well researched. So everybody knows. And she asks all the white males to stand up

and she's like, you're probably all serial killer. Like, I guarantee you at least one of you is a serial killer. My favorite part about this, so she does, she's Like, okay, all the men between, like, 25 and 35 stand up. It's even vaguer. She starts with every, all the men in the room stand up. And she says something about, you know, like, come on, you're used to gawking at us all the time.

Let us do you. And then she plays a round of guess who. You guys remember that game? It's like, uh, does your character have a hat on? Click, click, click, click. It's that. It's like, all right, now all the black guys sit down. All the Asian guys sit down.

Hey, my favorite part about all of this is that when it's just the white, like the 30-year-old white guy standing up. She's like, hey ladies, a couple of really good lookers here. I'm like, there's one attractive guy that you have up on the screen and it keeps the guy on the screen, by the way, the entire shot. And the rest of them are chuds.

They're all serial killers. And as like a little joke, she starts mixing in pictures of old like Dahmer and fucking Gacy on. Yeah, Gasey at the barbecue. And she's like, wouldn't you say yes to a drink from one of these? I'm like, no fucking way! Here's the thing, I will never say yes to a drink from an obese man dressed as a clown.

Rule number one, ladies and gentlemen. Come on, Andrew, I'm buying. Oh, you're buying. All right, Mr. Casey. Well, clown face. We can work something out after all. Well, can I have one balloon? Just one balloon.

It's filled with cyanide. So she is attacked in the bathroom after this lecture by Harry Connick Jr. because it's the it's like the falling dominoes of terrible police officers in this movie starts off with these two guys who are there assigned as like her security because it's sort of intimated that she's had problems you know with harry conic junior he's in jail now supposedly all this stuff you know she's she's had her battle with him like that's the movie we didn't see yeah so that's kind of like the red dragon to this silence of the lambs kind of the situation and you know she's attacked in the bathroom by Harry Connich Jr. who kills this fucking police officer in two seconds. Well, in the jupin vernacular, this is a mint condition

cock up. Because she has two police officers to follow her at all times. Right. One goes to take a shit right when she has to go to the bathroom. Which is great because she's like, can you show me to the little girl's room? And the guy's like, hey, you got

this? Because I got to use the little boy's room and runs away. and then second of all it seems like this bathroom is just like a normal college bathroom it looks like she's in like an auditorium out of college yeah she's clearly yeah she's giving a lecture at some sort of and like this bathroom it seems like the cop would probably want to clear out either would clear out everybody or would just like stand there and let other people in but no he allows one person who's there well it's lady legs lady legs and like but just but also doesn't let anybody else in it's a little stupid well he's he's a terrible police officer. I mean, these, these policemen give the good policemen of Gotham a run for their money. Because these guys are awful. And we will go piece by piece with all of the fucking cockups by the SFPD in this film. What's awesome to is, uh, before she says that she's got to go to the bathroom, like she's outside the lecture hall. And she's signing a book for a girl. And she goes, don't park near any vans. That's a little. And I'm signing off. Thank you. Yeah, I'd be like, okay. Yeah, you've been researching a lot, haven't you?

A lot of these guys, have been in the books? That's one of those things. If you put a drink down in a bar, it's gone forever. Talk to you later. Just remember that. That's one of those things. I'm like, all right, you're like a serial killer expert. Like, these people that all they think about is serial killers,

I had a couple of friends who had a bunch of big old encyclopedias of serial killers. You know what? You buy a book that's an encyclopedia of serial killers. You're on a list somewhere. I don't know who's got it, but you're on a list somewhere. I hope somebody's got it. Someone's got the list. Oh, someone's definitely got it. Somebody has the list. I don't know if it's like the serial killers, like coalition of America or the FBI. It's one or the other. I imagine the FBI would have to be the one to have that, I think. So these lady legs take off their lady shoes and it's a dude foot. And you're like, wait a second. Oh, it's. It's Harry Connick Jr. hiding in this bathroom. Because he escaped from prison. I don't know if we've talked about this. It's impossible to escape from prison, right? Like, it's like literally almost impossible. Well, now and again, you hear about, like, there were some folks, like, maybe like a month ago that escaped from prison.

But it was the first time in a really long time. And you know what those dudes definitely didn't do? Like, sneak around and kill this serial killer expert. Like, they were caught within a few days. Because you have to be under the radar because the big goddamn deal. Well, because every, yeah, radio stations, television, your face is plastered. And guess what? Who's the first person who's learning that he's out of prison?

And they bring this up later, by the way. It would be Helen Hudson, the one who testified against him. Right, yeah. She made the case that put him away the first time. Like, you know, even fucking Casey Affleck breaks out of jail and ain't them body saints, and he's caught a couple of days later and killed. Like, come on. It's just a thing where, like, no, and also people don't break out of jail to go on a crime spree.

They break out of jail to get to Mexico. Right. I got to get the fuck out of the country. I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't want to know anybody. It's not like, now I can continue doing crime. I'm back. Yeah.

No one says I'm back. I mean, and that's one of the things with this movie, right? This movie is trying to be a super smart, realistic movie, but it's the moviest movie I've movieed in a while. like it is such a movie it's not even it's a regular movie it's just regular smegular just movie brand movie so he like strings are up in this stall like kind of hanging there and he's like you know the cop bursts in and he kills this dude by slitting his throat and shooting him in the face at the same time which is pretty cool harry connox junior yeah and he's like you know really swinging for the rafters you know just with this performance like oh there's a

Licking knives. Yeah, licking knives, all sorts of shit. And he's got like, it's hilarious because obviously the first scene that he did, he did a Jim Carrey where he probably took out the caps in his teeth because it's like, he's got like these chipped teeth and it'll makes him look less like Harry Connich Jr. Good on this movie. But later in the movie, it's just like black Sharpie marker in that formation. Oh man, you're telling me I got to go back and film some more of that there movie.

I'm not taking my teeth back out. I got a tour. Yeah. got to play the piano get them digital effects going not in this 1996 movie by the way

so because he shoots this guy in the heart the fucking the other cop drops his family circus and it's like oh fuck and he starts

you know he has to like finish up and run to rescue it is one of my favorite shots in this movie this movie is shot by laslo covax

who's done a lot of good stuff like Ghostbusters he did a ton of shit and stuff But it's, I mean, it's attributed to him as the D.P. of this film and the director, this dude's terrible. But this shot of this fat police officer where the camera is like, the frame is like twisting and it's kind of tilting at the same time and it's out of focus and in slow motion. All of those things. And this fat fuck just batmanning down this hallway. I mean, it's like refrigerator Perry. He's just going for it. He looks like he's about to go through it.

through the door and then we just go to 13 months later and it's copycat time it's copycat time and we find out that helen hudson is agoraphobic which uh means she's afraid to go outside and it's it's it that's that's like the twist of this movie it's like oh that's kind of interesting it's also 40% of this movie it's just her being scared about hallways yep and like one of the earlier is one of the first scenes that you see of this is like the paper boy didn't put the paper like you have a service you have a person

that's very like special who does this for you because you do not leave your house right you have a friend you have a living friend there's just a dude who kind of lives with you and you know assist you in your daily day to day just wait for that dude to wake up

to get the newspaper instead we have this like 20 second sequence where she is trying to hit a newspaper with a broom because she can't reach it and she just can't go out in the hallway to get it. That is excitement and suspense. Yeah, totally, dude. It's, oh, man, I just, my heart was, I couldn't even.

So while this, yeah, it's, is she going to get that newspaper? I mean, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of stake here. So while this is happening, we are introduced to, uh, Derman Moroni and Holly Hunter as are cops right and let me just pause you there for a quick second congratulations to all the people that guest copycat from Steve's fucking clue of Dermot Mulroney by the way I mean really thank yeah I mean it could have been long time companion it could have been my best friend's wedding

ooh stay tuned yeah stay tuned for both of those no I know but it was just one of those things where when we were doing China O'Brien and you go uh or was it Eric or was it Someone said Dermot-Mor-Roney, and I was like, well, that's perfect. No one's going to guess this. And as soon as the episode dropped, like, seven people were like, Dermot-Milroney. It's total. Oh, it's Copycat.

Copycat. Oh, can't wait for copycat. Hey, congratulations doing copycat next week. I was like, holy fuck, these guys are good. Anyway, you were saying. So they're cops. And there's a weird thing in this movie, by the way. And it's in the first scene as well where while she's doing this lecture, she's like,

wouldn't it be better if we didn't put these people to death and we kept them and we would study them and like sure because there's this big thing in this movie where it's kind of like we should just fucking kill these people yeah there's a it's it's it runs through it because uh the first thing we have of uh hollyhander d'ermal morroney is they're doing a course like uh how to they're they're yeah not unlike silence of the left yeah yeah exactly exactly also though uh it's not like beautiful outside jody Foster running at Quantico. It's a fucking disgusting hallway and a shitty rooftop. Thanks

Copycat. It looked like the shitty building at the end of a heart condition where they're having that shootout. Yes. It just looks like a dilapid. It's awful. And you know what, Copycat? You want to be Silence of the Lambs? I'm going to compare you to Science of the Lambs. So it's on.

Also, your name is Copycat. You can't be a movie called Copycat and be blatantly copying other films. It's just, it's, it's giving too much of a comparison. If your name is Babe Ruth, you should go fucking play basketball. Because you know what? Babe Ruth did a pretty good job playing baseball.

Do not go and play... Or just be an insurance sale. Even better. Yeah, stay out of professional sports altogether. You're probably right. So in this training, they do, you know, shooting practice. I don't know the targets. Target practice.

Target practice. Uh-huh. Excuse me. and Holly Hunter puts like three and one of the guy's shoulders and is like that's how you're supposed to do it right while German Mulroney shoots the fuck out of some guy he sprays a dude and she's like no you shoot him this part of the shoulder because that's this muscle and his hand will drop the gun

now put that in some parchment paper and slide it into your back pocket yeah you don't want to lose that for two hours from now and I mean these two I mean they're in our vein of Mulder and Scully as well we're like having a lot we're having a little bit of a flirtation these two are like making out out through that this whole movie like she's his boss and they're just flirt flirt flirt well i don't know that their bosses they're partners it's a it's a it's a partner she's on the uh she's been around longer see i mean she's the senior officer but i think they are partners but even still like it's just there's not get get any work done because they're mooney-eyed over each other yeah no it's

definitely you know they're laying it on thick it's just molder had some yeah your phone's ringing you might as to pick up for your girlfriend. It's like, this is not helpful for work. Like, this is not how we should be handling this. Yeah, she's, like, chastising him for not picking up his huge cell phone. Well, because it's also, you should, in this situation, what we're used to is the newbie and the old, like, it would be nice if it was that nice delineation. Yeah. The rookie in the old timer.

Because guess what else came out in the same year? Seven. Yeah, totally. Uh-huh. It's the same thing with Cleeney's Wood and Dylan McDermott in the line of. fire where like it's always clean with like no you're supposed to do this way oh you should stop being such a grump right like you can have that with a male and female it can work out and it would actually kind of be interesting no but this movie is just like germit more only does not matter other than to be

kind of flirtatious with everybody in the room well the one thing that they try to set up and it doesn't get past this first target practice scene is that she is like the by the book cop and he's kind of like the whatever man as long as the case gets done you know and she kind of carries that over into this crime scene that they go to, where we learn that, you know, there is indeed a serial killer loose, you know, in the streets of San Francisco who's murdering women, this that, and the other thing. And that's kind of like the thrust of this movie is they have to engage with Sigourney Weaver because she keeps crank calling the police department, giving tips and then hanging up the phone. And I don't know about agoraphobia too much. Like, I understand it's a real thing and whatnot. And, you know, people are afflicted by it. But does that also mean you can, you can't talk to the outside world? Because she's like, hello, this is Sigourney Weaver, and this is a thing you're missing in this case, and they're like, who is this? And she's like,

and hangs up the phone. Well, no, because they're fucking, they're toying with her. They're like making fun. Like, she says the killer's on her luter cycle. And they're like, she's on a moon bike. Like, come on. Someone else is on their lunar cycle, if you know what I mean, lady. Like, I understand

that, you know, where it's whatever and like, you know, it's a serial killer. So there's a lot of crank calls, but if somebody's like, you know, he's copycating, he's copycatting the Boston Strangler, he's on her lunar cycle. I'll just type that up on my invisible typewriter. Like, no, fucking listen to it and follow the lead. Yeah, click, click, click, Mr. Jackass. Like, oh, man. So they trace the call at this one point because Holly Hunter talks to her and she's like, oh, that sounds a little bit legit. And they, you know,

they trace it to Sigourney Weaver's apartment. They go there. And Holly Hunter proceeds to badger her into a panic attack. Straight up bullies her into joining this case. And it's kind of a thing where they're like, oh yeah, agoraphobia, what are you scared of spiders, you fucking pussy, like all this shit? And she starts, like, having this panic attack and that dude who plays like the librarian assistant and Ghostbusters has to like get her a paper bag. Three Ghostbusters connections in this movie, by the way. Not too many. Not nearly enough. Not nearly enough Ghostbusters influence in this movie. Yeah, and he's like her gay assistant and like you know he's gay because he keeps reminding everyone that he's gay so that when

he gets murdered as a gay man you're not surprised yeah it's one of those things where we're in the mid 90s so we have gay characters at this point and it's okay for them to be gay but they can't say it so it's like coy gay characters and it's like you know he brings up something about her shitty ex-husband it's just it's all fucking like talking about the cut cut of dylan mcdermott's suit like that's really all that lends itself to that whole thing. Yeah, because, like, you know, he says something about, like, oh, yeah, that Dylan McDermott was pretty, pretty, or Dermott Mulroney. Oh, now we're fucking doing it. God damn it. You introduced Dylan McDermott to this conversation and they can't exist in the same fucking space. Oh, man, this fucking, this episode is sunk. It's, you've poisoned this. I want to just push them into each other and watch them time cop into

nothing. Totally. They turn into a big, hairy Ron Silver and melt away. Station! They are station. They look like this. They turned it to the best actor ever. This is like eight-foot actor who's fantastic. S&L actually did a funny sketch about what we're talking about as a game show called Dylan McDermott or Dermott Mulroney. And they both appeared on it. It was pretty funny.

So, so what they're, yeah, they're talking about. He's like, oh, yeah, Dermott Moulroni, you know, he looked pretty handsome. Don't you want to have sex with him after that shitty ex-husband? And she's like, yeah, he is pretty attractive. And, like, then he rubs her arm. And I'm like, this is how you're expressing that you're. a gay character. Like, this is so the mid-90s, it's not even funny.

A lot of, like, sat in shirts, too. She goes, oh, I miss men. He's like, well, don't look at me, sweetheart. Bye-bye! And it's like, I really got that he's unisexual. Chopped liver? That's the one. One of those. And unlike most successful serial

killer movies, like your seven, oh, actually, we can't really make a rule on this. We always kind of fault the movie, no matter what, is they, we know who the killer is right off the bat. They show them, and he's really boring as fuck that's the problem though and we were kind of talking about this before we went on the air and you're right we do flip flip on things all the time and we're going to find out where the movie's at fault here that's the point of what we're doing but you know we always

credit silence as like you know who the serial killer is but here's the thing silence does a good job at you know addressing this character making him an actual character this dude is just Johnny boring. He's got a wife that he like hates and he's got a little like danger basement where he keeps women and creepy photos and stuff. Well, because what's interesting, and like it's a vanishing thing, obviously, I would assume. But like, what's interesting about the vanishing is that you, he's a character and he's the killer. Yeah. At the same time. Correct. This guy's just the killer. You have to also, if you're going to show me the guy from the beginning, I have to give a good sense of his full scope of his life. You, and this. And this. You, and this. this is what sucks is they kind of do it. They kind of dip their toe in it, right? Like, he works at a sperm bank, okay? Like, that plays into, like, how he's creating these crime scenes and everything. He works at a sperm bank.

The only time we see him at work is a camera is placed inside a refrigerator, and there's a tight close-up of him opening the door, swapping out sperm samples and closing it. And that's the only, like, you don't see him interacting with coworkers. You don't see him going to the grocery store. You don't see him asking an overweight woman to help him put a couch into a van. He's not taking a blind woman to see a tiger Like there's none of that shit

Exactly It's just like him doing serial killer stuff And this one scene where his wife's like Oh don't you want to watch whatever with me Oh you want to watch Letterman She says you know I can't watch talk shows alone I'm like this is nothing Is she an invalid?

I don't know what's I mean she just seems like an old sad sack I think she's supposed to be kind of like a bedridden thing though I mean, that's how he has this, like, not exactly well-hidden murder basement. You know what I mean? She just kind of seems like a John Waters character. Like, she's just, like, on her bed with the, like, the dog. And she's like, oh, don't you want to get in bed with me and watch Lano? And, like, you're just like, shut the fuck off.

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That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P.com slash WHM. I mean, so we've got three prongs going. It's Sigourney-Weaver can't leave the house. Dermal Rooney and Holly Hunter are making moon eyes at each other. And this guy's fucking killing people. And he's at the bottom of the pole, by the way. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

And it's just every so often he kills somebody and they finally realize, like, oh, my God, he's a copycat. This looks like. he's the best copycat of all copycats because he's seemingly randomly picking people but they have the right apartments for these things. Everything's like picture perfect. What he's doing and this actually that's what's frustrating.

You know, we talk about these bad movies is when they have decent concepts. Yeah, sure. And this is a decent concept. It's a serial killer that each of his killings is in the style of a different famous serial killer. So he's kind of working his way through like, you know uh boston strangler ed gine uh uh son of sam like he's going through all these people

and you're like oh that's kind of cool insert this concept into an actual movie and not just this run-of-the-mill movie movie and you've got something going here so what they what they start deducing also is that he's kind of cyber-stalking sigourney weaver there's also by the way a lot of POVs of like he's clearly like looking in on her apartment from afar and he's like he does sneak in a couple of times too like she takes a shower

Sigourney Weaver does and he lays out like this red dress on her bed and that's the dress she was wearing when she was hung by Harry Connick Jr. at the beginning and I get it you're trying to build like that scene goes on for like 10 minutes and like I get it you're building suspense

by like oh man what's around this corner what's around this corner but it's really when you look back at that scene, it's really just 10 minutes of Sigourney Weaver not looking at like anything in particular and then a red dress is on her bed. And she's just drinking a lot of brandy throughout this

whole movie. And really what this movie needs and what Sansa Lam had, I mean, other, either Gallo's humor, which this is a humorless movie. Uh-huh. Or be, and I know you're super serious, but some fucking action, please. Just something.

Just anything. Or Twist, what if she has a rec room for her dreams freak out? She's thinking about the red dress and she's just watching TV and the fridge keeps moving towards her. The red dress is floating around. She's got all sorts of pills in her system. Yeah, if she's like legitimately crazy, let her crazy on out for a little while. We got a winner, you know? You know what we have instead, by the way?

Exciting edge of your seat cyber action. Oh, you know, and here's the other thing because it's 1995. and the internet's just fucking sucking everybody's dick. Like, this movie now is, like, also a cyber thriller. Because she is, like, interacting with people in chat rooms. She's possibly playing chess against him at one point with a guy. I'm not sure if it's him, but there's some guy she's playing chess with who, and, like, I get to feeling it was just some lonely librarian in the middle of Utah who comes from Czechoslovakia.

and he called his username is checkmate. Yeah. Shut the fuck up, movie. Well, you know, it was early enough in the, it was early enough in the internet, you could do that. You didn't have to be checkmate 4-1-5-9. He was the first one to the party.

Yeah, he had checkmate before he didn't put a bunch of nonsense numbers after. And I mean, she has Sandra Bullock's The Net in her computer because it's all computer magic. Like the internet still hasn't caught up to the shit. she could do in 1995 she also has i know i guess this is because she's an agoraphob she has like a huge computer workstation it's three different computers all computing different things like she's got a chat line that's like a support group for agoraphob so she's got you know that going on she's got this fucking chest dungeon thing going on uh and i guess she's also kind of like reading the

news and still doing research and stuff from her computer by the way you're so internet savvy why don't get some headlines online. Yeah, seriously. What was, what was happening on Netscape's homepage that day? She also has the Photoshop from 2,200. This, let's talk about this fucking magic. So, like, he is making these, you know, like, shittily animated, like, not even flash animation, but, like, these things where, like, he's leaving glues, like, this girl's going to be next, and it's, like, her face turns into a skull or whatever. There's one scene where, towards the end of the film where she's like ready to get back at this guy and she uses Photoshop 2,200 to make a thing like this and it's just her she very easily just super accurately cuts her face out of a picture puts it on this wedding photo and just like does her own thing and it like it it sows her face onto this bride's face so seamlessly it's even worse because he has Photoshop 2,500.

because oh his is way better because he takes her he takes her face again and puts it on this woman who's got her head covered in a plastic bag that he's you know been killing or whatever and he clicks he double clicks and the photo somehow goes underneath the plastic bag is on her face it's it's incredible it's a real technological breakthrough like it's like bullshit where like I'm sure if you wanted to he could hit like red and give her red hair for some reason which we know that takes for fucking ever anyone who's photoshopped anything knows it takes fucking forever to do anything well anything halfway to well this is perfect here's a weird thing about these movies and i mean just because i thought of the net and then i was thinking of perfect stranger and now i'm thinking of this It was a nice little line of, like, really attractive women using only the internet. Like, just, like, the idea of, like, these shut-ins that are just like, oh, no man will ever want me. I'm just Sandra Bullock. Like, you know, like, come on. I'm sure, like, honestly, Sigourney Weaver was like, hey, look, all she used to do is open her blinds and wave and men will come to her house. Like, if you're out of reformic, make them come to you.

And let me tell you, speaking to her house, by the way, those books must be selling because this place is gorgeous. right on the bay. Oh, mother of God, this place is great. It's humongous. It's so huge. There's computer things all over. You should, you know, remote control the blinds or remote control in the door. It's totally a fucking Ed Harris you know, show the sun.

Question, does her house smell like shit? Because it probably smells like shit, right? I mean, she's got the guy clean and pretty frequently, I would think. I would wager probably. But I would say in that funk of like, you know, at the start of the day

we all showered and then took a long car ride and it still kind of smells because it's just people like it's probably that but she's not a hoarder no she doesn't have any pets so there's not cat shit anywhere

I did not see a pile of old newspapers mainly because you can't fucking get them out of the hallway I will say the sweaters smell the sweaters have to smell the sweater's got a little B.O. thing going on because how often are you going to wash a sweater you know what I mean

like you're doing the you're doing the wash. You got to put on a line. It's not, you don't want to dry it. It's a whole thing. And I mean, it's like,

they show her taking a shower at like 11 o'clock at night. She's on all sorts of weird different schedules because the sun means nothing because I'm afraid of outside. Bye everybody. Like, she's insane.

I mean, that's also why she's got these huge things that can cue the sun and not because she might as well live in a fucking casino. Like, it's just, it's dark, 24, and that's another weird thing.

And she's drinking all day. Just like a casino. Booz hound. Just drinking all day. And the other things. thing, that electricity bill must be through the roof because she wakes up in the middle of the night after having a nightmare. All three

computers are on, she's got a fucking TV on still watching cartoons, like a fucking shady dog lives there. You just got to keep noise on. Well, it's not like she's going to the museum or the movies or out to dinner, so you can spend it on the electricity. But by the way, also, everybody in this

movie fucking hates her for no reason. Everyone is so shitty to this woman who's clearly hyper intelligent and has a severe disability and they're like, you fucking piece of shit, why won't you help us on our court case? Well, because Holly Hunter and

Dermit Dermit Moroni. Got it. There we are. Their boss is Eddie Dane from Miller's Crossing. Oh, that's who that guy is. He looks so fucking familiar. He's killing me. You're acting smart. Yeah, you're acting smart.

Now, he went to the Blue Jasmine School. of San Francisco acting where like it's just he's like yeah I've always lived here in San Francisco it's like no you haven't you're referring to Bobby Connavali and the dude from Dougie Hauser and the Sopranos in the Woody Allen film born and bread in San Francisco what are you talking about oh wait my fucking name's chili I came from down by the fucking bay been there born and bread oh god boby how I mean I mean whatever Woody Allen it wasn't great movie. I think it was pretty good, but

that was a part that is. She's got the performance of her life in that movie. That's kind of about it. I'm sorry, Chris. Go on. May I? Steve just bowed to Chris, by the way. It was very interesting. And he's like, she gives them good tips

by the way. 100%. Because she's an expert at what they're dealing with. She's hitting bullseyes left and right. And his whole fucking thing is she's writing a book. that's right he's like he actually accuses sigourney weaver uh through holly hunter they never have a scene together she he says to holly hunter like oh i wonder how all these things keep getting leaked to the press sounds like somebody's trying to write a book and it's also a weird backwards way of saying like she's in it with the serial killer to put him ahead of the police i'm like no hey buddy you just have two of the worst detectives in the area on this case The lady who extricated herself from society for over a year is now looking for a little press. The lady who tried to do nothing but help you, and then your detective badgered to the point of her collapsing and breathing into a fucking brown bag and then laughed at her on the walk through the parking lot.

And the best these two fucking morons could do is play moonlighting together because you got Will Patton in the back. background. Oh, God. It's important because he's part of the most significantly useless part of this film. Oh, man, I can't wait. And he's just like, he's, I guess, Holly Hunter's ex-boyfriend who's also on the force. Correct. Like, he's like, is that weird ex-boyfriend that always invites you out for a beer and you have to remind him, like, no, that's, that's not within our boundaries.

Sorry. You know what this isn't cool anymore, right? Okay. Just, maybe you want to go for a beer tonight? Like, no, you can't ask me that. anymore. He is that character, and he's super aggressive when it comes to

Maroney. Nice. So, he's super aggressive when it comes to him, because he thinks he's fucking Holly Hunter, which I mean, I would, too, if I was in the office. Well, I mean, I guess if everyone's doing it, might as well be my turn. Everyone in the SFPD thinks that the two

of them are fucking, because it's almost impossible that they're not. Which would be fine if you would just kind of like, oh, so you're seeing him, okay, whatever. But Will Patton's like, Oh, yeah, you fucking him. And, like, I guess, what's his face? Mulroney spends the night at Sigourney Weaver's because, like, copycat gets into her copy computer and, you know, is doing all sorts of copy crimes. So he stays inside, he stays with her the whole night, and then he's late to the next crime scene, which I believe is the Hillside Strangler.

Correct. And, you know, it's just a dead body outside of a, outside of a no-dumping sign. and like there's a dead woman naked and like clues all around and will Patton's like hey who you fucking are you cheating on holly hunter huh huh huh oh and he's like there's a crime scene right here it's also because uh dermit molroney's got like a wolf man the next day beard yeah you know because again this is a mum mum mum movie you know he all of a sudden has this like sick beard going on and he's like oh nice beard huh who you fucking around on her with you're fucking around on her with And he's like, see that dead nude woman over there? I think that's kind of priority. And they totally get into a shoving match. And Holly Hunter's got to come in and be like, hey, guys, not here. My Holly Hunter impression is very close to my Gary Busey impression for a reason.

Is she three and a half feet tall? Interesting bit of trivia about this picture. Sigourney Weaver is well over a foot taller than she is. So in scenes that they had together, they either were. where both or Sigourney Weaver was sitting down the entire time. I know, yeah, I don't know. There is a scene, though, where she's walking in the police station with the chief, and this dude is way taller than her.

And he's just kind of looking down like, hey, you got any clues, clues, clues? And she's like, no, no, no. I go. How's Harvey Keitel's penis in person? Is it just as menacing as it looks like in the piano? it's pretty menacing that's a dick i've seen too too many times please that guy's dick i can't even i can't even get up in the morning without seeing it

it's just everywhere it's all in the present you've got that weird bad lieutenant poster on your fridge it's your own fucking fault you see that dick every day if you actually got like like detailed like a van on your fridge it was just harvey cutel stretching his arms out and moaning Every time you open the thing, it goes out. It's like a refrigerator alarm. It's like that pig and the nutty professor that keeps on oinking whenever Eddie Murphy opens the fridge. So the gay assistant is basically he's waiting to be murdered.

He's dead meat. He's absolute dead meat. Every time, like, every so many he remembers, he's like, hey, remember me guys, not dead yet going to happen. And it's also he's so just stereotypical. typical because aside from that one scene where she has the panic attack, every other scene that this, this dude has is him stepping out for a night on the town every fucking time. That's all this dude does until he steps out one too many times and gets murdered by Copicat.

Copycat knew where he was going. And he came out the wrong night because it was Copycats night to play Dom. And that's a big mistake. Right. And so now what they have discovered, by the way, is they've found an. old lecture that she gives and she's like this is my standard lecture that I was touring around with and in a part of that lecture she names multiple serial killers in a certain order and that's the order that this dude's been adopting or adapting like his killing profile too but before he

does the domer and I think this is important because I I took a I took I put down a note that said the police break oh for fuck's sake Because before they go to the They find a son of Sam Copycat killing Correct David Berkowitz himself Somebody got shot in the car

And they find a note In the phone The phone booth right near it's On what side it's like Helen How you doing? What's up? I'm your killer, whatever It's me copycat

Hey, it's me copycat I thought we start this You know maybe just You know back and forth a little bit Anyway on the back of it Is the full lyrics numbers by the police. What is this guy in high school?

Like, fucking grow up, copycat. This is a real emotional move for copycat. He's putting himself out there. She might say no. I mean, the first draft of this was, it was every little thing she does is magic. But then he changed it because he thought, you know, no, but not many people know about this one. But then it was like, I'll be watching you. And he's like, that's too obvious.

Stupid copycat. Stupid, stupid copycat. Oh, murder by numbers. that'll do and then for like two minutes there's this montage of us just listening to the police and they're like sitting around the the the police station playing the song she's got the lyrics posted up on an overhead projector and then the chief of police walks in like uh sorry to break up this high school locker room and she's like oh sorry chief so what have we learned absolutely nothing from this great let's go on yeah this is where uh the their hair boss the lieutenant's kind of just

like will you stop talking to sigourney weaver now you're just sitting around listen to fucking rock and roll music so copycat goes to the gay club right correct they determined by the way the next thing is geoffrey dammer we all know geoffrey dammer only killed men yes and you know what here's something he's a really good copycat up until this point because he's doing like photo for photo like reenactments he's like fucking uh he's like Gus van Sant in psycho he's just getting it just right every time to the point where you're like well why the fuck are we even bothering you know what fucking do in this fork you know what copycat why don't you put your own spin on things here exactly fucking a little essence of emerald in there

bam this murder scene you know a joke from 1997 by the way sure why not time machine humor and you know just because you know killing a gay guy does not make you Jeffrey Dahmer, all right? That's like fucking shooting a basketball makes you Clyde the glide Drexler. It does not happen. It's not the same difference. There's a lot of more fucking. There's style. There's panache. First of all, copycat, get a job at a candy factory if you want to be Jeffrey Dahmer. Make those chocolate Easter bunnies. Also, get severely sexually abused when you're a child. That is also going to help you big time. If you're not fucking that corpse, you're wasting everyone's time. You're

not doing Dahmer. I'm sorry. And this is one of the most ridiculous. And again, this is just a terribly directed film. So we cut to the assistant and his boyfriend have left Sigourney Weaver again for another

night on the town. And there's this whole thing. It's the anniversary of the summer of love or some fucking horse shit. So they're having all these like hippie-dippy love parties and whatnot. So he's like, oh, it's this like terribly embarrassing like, oh, peace, love, groovy, ha ha, I'm going out, Sigourney Weaver, and they go to this club, and we, we, the first cut into

this club is a, is, is, is, is copycats on the phone. And he's just called and played like a tape of her testimony or some shit into the phone. And she freaks out and hangs up the phone. So he's like, ha ha, job done. Copycat hangs up the phone. And then we tilt down and there is a table with two daqueries and a bunch of people around everywhere, including a woman who is clearly facing the fucking table where these drinks are sitting on. And Copycat, Roofie's one of them. Just in front of God and everybody. And I'm like, hey, copycat, you're the worst roofier in the history of everything. At least Dahmer knew how to get these guys legitimately drunk and get them back to his weird apartment. And then there's a So I Married an Axe Murder, Cupachino

shot that brings him to the gay guy. There she goes. There she goes. Well, no, because it's fucking fame. David Bowie's fame is blaring at this club. And he comes up to the guy, just like, it's really weird because they just hold on the shot of the gay assistant. And, like, he's down in this fucking peanut collada. And he's just, like, making eyes like, oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, I'm going to get killed. I can't wait to die to die. Ooh, this tastes like Ruby's here. There she goes. As she blows It's one of those things Where it's like Much like the movie itself

Is ignorant towards gay culture Copycat himself is like Well this is what they're like right Oh here take it And also you know what I'm sorry This guy's like 40 years old This guy doesn't exact

This guy knows the score If somebody someone weirdos Like hey you want a free drink buddy He's like yeah I've seen that movie Weird baby face guy by the way This guy looks like a baby But copycat knows

what he's got to do in his surroundings, right? So, like, copycats, like, dumb copycat glasses are off. He's got contacts in. His hair's kind of done up. He's dressed a lot better than we've normally seen, you know, from what we've become accustomed to copycat dressing. Well, he has, he has his glasses, but he has, like, a fucking John Travolta and Saturday Night fever.

Yeah, the shirt is open. Like a Tony Minero shirt's going on here. And, like, he's just kind of, like, dance to the music and then it cuts. And by the way, The only death that we get to really sink our teeth into is the death of the gay guy. Well, because, again, it's not even a fucking domber killer. You're just strangling a gay guy on an alley. You know, who could do that?

Anybody. Not, you're not using your copycat powers. So he kills him in this alley at the same time that Holly Hunter has traced the call that Sigourney Reweaver got. And she's like, oh, I think it's at this bar. Let's go. And, you know, they hop on down there, but then we cut to, he's getting strangle with a bag over his head. he kills him it's actually hilarious because he's supposed to be smushing the actor's face against a gate but this shit is just clearly bending in front of the camera yeah because it's the worst directed movie ever and nobody saw this shit coming and then the dude falls down you see his like feet kick a little bit and then the dude grabs a saw and cuts his head off yeah which is the domer part of it a domer a bit domerific for sure and then you know we cut to the body's getting fished out of the bay can Because we're going down our cop countdown.

Can we go to our second worst cop of the movie? Because number one, we'll find, and that's the biggest thing. But second worst cop of the movie, coming in at number two, is Sigourney Weaver's first guard, whose only job is like this woman is a fucking serial killer profile. She's agoraphobic. She's disabled practically. You know, she cannot leave this house. You have to guard her. And we're in the middle of a guy who's giving her threatening letters.

Yeah, there's this huge case that presumably. officer you know about and a car alarm goes off and he's like that fuck and he goes outside to deal with it are you fucking kidding me sir now here's the thing uh you know there have been times on my street when the car alarm goes off and we've had like the car alarms going off for fucking hours sure it'll stop and then it'll go off and eventually somebody calls the police and they come and fucking rip the thing out and then call the owner and that's the end of it. That's what's supposed to happen when someone's car alarm keeps

going off. But it's understood that you kind of just let it go for a while. One, because you're lazy and two, because the dude might not notice it right away. This guy, it's like, boodoo! And he's like, God damn it! And like, hikes up his drawers and fucking walks.

I'm like, dude, just give it a second. Like, the person could be on the way of the car right now. Speaking of hiking up your drawers, why he's the worst Okay, so that's happening But also, and it's a little hint You just have to look for it When he goes to deal with it

His table, which is where he's been All of his stuff is, it's Chinese food Three cups of coffee And a fucking thing of Milano cookies He is fucking stanking up Sigourney Weaver's shitter Slash, he's a walking Kathy cartoon It's just

And, you know, obviously copycat goes in. And I think this is what he puts all sorts of ants in her bed, which is my favorite thing. Again, who are you copycating here? He's copycating a 12-year-old boy he met one time when also as a boy, when they played a prank on this boy's older sister. It's just like Sigourney Weaver lays down like, God, my life is terrible. I hope this is over with soon.

And then she's like, ew, an aunt. Ew, another aunt. And it's just this bed's covered with ants. and there's a copy of... She says good grief at this point, by the way. She goes, oh, good grief. There's a copy. She, like, flips the mattress up.

There's a copy of Harry Connick Jr.'s book that he's written in prison about the whole experience with, like, a fucking finger cut in it. You left in there, like a cutoff finger. And all the while, this guy's like, this car alarm is giving me a lot of problems. He's really digging into this thing.

And there's, like, a group of people that have formed around. Like, no, I think it's you cut that way, this fucking car alarm. And either way, When she's doing her, you know, cyber nonsense, at one point, like, a virus makes a bunch of cyberworms come up and eat a picture. There's supposed to be maggots because she's dead. But it makes it a little, like, noise, like, it's a weird noise.

And the same exact fucking noise plays when the ants come out of the goddamn thing. Yeah, well, you know what? Bad design, bad cinematography, bad fucking folly work. It's all there. Don't worry. And copycat's copycatting. And, like, things are heating up. It's like, we know we're getting towards a third act.

I think at this point, we've called up Harry Connick Jr. And he's got his, like, bad, like. Skyping, by the way. Yeah, they do kind of like a prehistoric Skype situation from jail. Okay. And my favorite thing in the world is that he has a hat that says these colors don't run. And he has an American flag on the fucker. It's pretty good.

It's pretty darn good. You know what? This guy is still allowed to love his country. Oh, it's so great. And they do, yeah, they do a Skype where he's like, yeah, this guy came to me, and he was asking me all sorts of questions, and, you know, he's my disciple now, and it's this name. Hey, doc, you ever see Silence of the Lambs? It's kind of like that, but it's not really as good.

It's interesting, you come into me for help like this. I'm going to help you like that sophisticated doctor did to that lady cop. And the Holy Hunter's like, hey, Doc, you got any phone bucks? I can't see the screen. She's so tiny. She's a short woman. So Dermit Mulroney comes to the rescue and like copycat jumps out the window, you know, and he's like, I'll deal with you later, you're fucking asshole.

You're the worst cop I've ever seen in my life. Like this dude's career is over there. He says he's the worst guy he's ever seen in his life, but not just yet. Oh, and here's the scene. Here's the scene. So by the, sort of like, paint a little bit of a background for this scene, right? So Will Patton, who's barely in this movie and nobody cares about, all of a sudden comes to the spotlight. He's been working on some Chinatown case for ages.

Oh, Will Patton's Chinatown case. We'll get to it eventually, says copycat the movie. So here we are. Will Patton's big time to shine with the big Chinatown bust. We cut to the police precinct. Like a hundred Chinese people are being arrested at once. Okay, everybody's trying to deal with all these mobsters, this, that, and the other thing. And there's a little tiny young guy just kind of sitting off to the side handcuffed.

It's kind of like in the Simpsons when the, uh, during, in the pretzla, but when she opens the pretzel saying, I know that there's going to do something. I just want to see what it is. You know, it's going to be good. And in your head, you're like, well, what does this have to do with copycat? You know, where is copycat? Like, is it, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what serial killing. This is going to copycat. Is he copycating the yakuza? The entire yakuza? I mean, it's just out of nowhere this scene. And it just. It just. It's just. It's just. scanning out of nowhere. And, you know, Will Patton's like, all right, you know, I'll be with you in a second. And right next to this guy, he clearly puts his gun in the drawer, but doesn't lock it. And he's like, oh, I got to go deal with this other thing. It leaves the key in it. Yep. Just the key just stuck in there, like a drunk businessman coming home and not locking the door right. And Dermal Rooney and all of his wide-eyed innocence is like, hey man, you want a donut? And the guy's like, uh-huh. And he's like, all right, I'll unlock you, but don't do anything wrong or I'll tell mom I'm gonna live forever and then all of a sudden the guy pulls out

Will Patton's gun and it's like a hostage situation and I'm like where the fuck is copycat in all of this coffee cat's sitting home watching the news eating Chinese we're like this is great yeah he's he secretly pulled the gun out of the drawer amidst all the confusion that the rest of the mafia is causing in the precinct so he's got a gun to Dermit Mulroney's head Dermot Maloney is just innocently strolling into the squad room with a a box of donuts that he doesn't let go the entire time this hostage situation's happening. I think copycat

during this whole thing is like trying to like fix a squeaky bedpost for his like wife. Well you do need to put some effort into that relationship. He's changing that invalid wife's bedpan at the time of this incident. Finally! So you know, this dude

like he's trying to back out of the precinct with Dermot Mulroney as like the hostage and Holly Hunter's strolling in like, ah, another night on the coffee cat case. What's this?

Something completely out of left field? I wonder if me and Dermot's going to happen tonight. What are I'm going to fuck that partner of mine tonight?

And so she sees what's going on and now everybody pull the note you made out of your back pocket because here it comes the first time. She fires off a shot.

This dude drops the gun and falls to the ground and Dermit Mulroney still holding this box of donuts is like, wow, that was close. And Holly Hunter, being the stick to the guns by the book's cop, doesn't, you know, just blast this guy.

In the shoulder. Three in the shoulder. That's all you need. Right. This dude picks up the gun and murders Dermit Mulroney for no reason. Like, what the fuck movie am I watching right now? Like, why? It's not about cops.

It's about, it's about Sigourney Weaver and Copycat. That's it. And the cops kind of help out in the middle of it. Yeah, exactly. Like, these cops needed to be fucking back. round material at most times. But don't run it's a main character. Why don't you have copycat go kill

him if you want to kill him so god ain't bad? Copycat has to be the guy to take one of their lives. Like that's how movies work. Like that's just that's fucking writing a story. You know, not even movies. That's just stories. That's how that stuff happens. Not a random Chinese thug.

That's fucking shit on a dartboard, man. And you just chucked it. To me, it goes directly to what the movie like it's it's really just about like you don't don't take precautions let god sort them out just kill him and like that's the whole thing of this whole movie is that like she shot him in she did the right thing she she was by the books yeah she did the right thing and her fucking partner got murdered for it she should have just put one in his head and this would have all been fine but to be fair it's about as subtle and as relevant as laurence fishburn getting killed by a bear in the middle of the matrix because you're just like wait what the

Fuck. Where'd that bear come from? Why did that happen? What does it have to do with the system? Although you did just describe my favorite movie ever made. Bro, you don't know about Matrix Bears. Come on. So he's... Mr. Anderson. The bear comes out of nowhere with sunglasses on. All of a sudden it's The Edge for no reason. Oh, man, that's great. Bart the Bear shows up. Yeah, so great.

The Bear and the Bears are flying the Nebuch. Canezer. Oh, dozer. So he's just dead. And then we cut to this scene of Holly Hunter and Will Patton just in the, in the room, just he's like, oh, man, I'm totally going to get suspended. I'm such an idiot. And she's like, you're not idiot. All cops make mistakes.

And he's like, no, I really think I'm going to be fucking fired for this. And then the chief comes in like, hey, uh, wheel petting, how about we talk outside? And you're like, yeah, well, he's fucking fired. And then he's like, hey, he took my gun and my badge. And then she just goes in. She does the bullshit like cop thing of like, if you're going to get him off the case, like, I'm gone to. And the guy is like, listen, I can't lose three good cups in one night. One died from a random Chinese shooting.

The other one got fired because of that shooting. I can't lose somebody just in sympathy for that. Holly Hunter, I really just don't know what movie we're in anymore. I'm really just rolling with the punches here. Do you really want to get in my face about this shit? It's kind of like that Bugs, that Duck a Muck cartoon, where Bugs Bunny keeps painting things

from other things into the movie. It's very much like Duck a Muck. Like all of a sudden, Sigourty Weaver's got a flower pedal on her head, the screwball. Termit Moroni just gets X's on his eyes after he dies. Listen, I somehow heard pre-tell of an alternate dimension opening up at City Hall.

That's from some other movie. Guess we should go figure that out as well. Apparently, my daughter is being romanced by some rock and roll star. I guess that's how that works. And also, of course, there's a mentally challenged man going throughout history, making people's lives better. It's all happening right now. The crew of the Starship Enterprise has landed in a Klingon Warbird in a... park that's the plot of star trek four the voyage home also taking place in san francisco i haven't

heard from copycat in a while hey uh what if i happened to that copycat he fall in a space wormhole or something uh and then i got to get deposed by jack mccoy it's just a whole thing it's just so stupid and he's dead and there's not a fucking funeral and you never see a chinese person again in this movie of course that like copycat was behind I would love it at the end. He gives him 50 bucks. Like, hey, thanks for killing that guy. He was really messing with my copycat style.

Like, if you want to have a thing, okay, if it's like this busy ass night, you know, it's probably a full moon out, all the crazies are getting arrested, right? Like one of those things. The squad room's really busy. All these people are getting arrested. And one guy gets a gun from somebody and says, this is for Harry Connick Jr. Yeah. And shoots him.

and he's also a disciple of this guy. Like, it doesn't fit the movie, but it makes more fucking sense than a Chinese gang coming in and doing it. It's just so stupid. And I don't see how things like this happen in movies. And it's just like, everyone's cool with it. Like, the director, the screenwriter,

everybody thought this was fine to leave in this movie. Well, the thing is you hear about, you hear about, like, Blade Runner, right? Where people, where the studio stood up was like, this doesn't make any gostern sense. People aren't going to stand for it. And they fuck up the whole movie, right? But some fucking fat cat watched copycat possibly while wearing a top cat t-shirt

and said, this is totally fine. I'm totally on board with this Dermal Rooney fucking subplot. I mean, the only thing I can think of because it makes so little sense is that someone like had beef with Dermot Moulroni. Dermot Moulroni had beef with someone. He had to leave the movie for some reason. And somebody got pissed off and was like, oh, yeah, ha, ha, ha, ha,

you want to leave this movie? Yeah, how do you want to leave it? And he's like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I get killed by a Chinese gang. And they were like, all right, but we don't care. We just wrote that scene. We're making a fucking copycat. So you think like Dermamoroni is like all ornery, like Russell Crowe and just like

blew off the handle in the middle of something? No, I mean, it could be anything. Like maybe he didn't get along with Holly Hunter. I mean, who knows? But it's so out of nowhere. To be fair, both Dylan McDermott and. Dermot Mulroney have the threat of the other one replacing the other one at a moment's

notice. It's like, in the middle of the movie I wouldn't know it. Exactly. Oh, you think you're gonna fucking, you're gonna pull rank on me? I got McDermott on speed dial, pal. I would love it if he, like, Dermott Mulroney gets murdered in this movie and then like the next scene is like, here's your new partner. And then like, in comes Dylan McDermott.

Like, hey, how's it going? You guys catch copycat yet? Need any help with that? I would kind of love it if they just go to each other's sets for it and just a tag in thing. Got it. You're done with the campaign now? I can riff with Will Farrell. I can do that.

Dermit. So they get a line onto who this guy is because Sigourney Weaver says, hey, by the way, another thing about this Dahmer situation is he'll be driving a car that looks like X. So they like narrowed down, you know, people who own this car. And then this is after the assistant's been murdered. They bring his boyfriend in and they're just showing him pictures of licenses. and they get to copycat's license and he's like, that's definitely the guy that gave him the drink.

Okay, great. There is a hilarious moment here where the chief is like, he is the guy, we got him. And this fucking police detective extra is like, yeah! Just this fucking bald guy who's standing next to the chief?

You just won the homecoming game. He's like, yeah! And then it's amazing because the chief walks away like, whatever extra, I don't know you, you know. And then that extra, and the extra in front of him slap high fives and then

the scene cuts we've got him that you call the SWAT team I'm not taking any chances with this little fuck why are you leaving this this guy I mean this guy must have been somebody and it's just the his greatest

fucking joke he tells at parties that time I got to say yeah in copycat because it's so unnecessary, that this even happens. Like, we know this dude identified him. I don't even need the chief to be like, hey, we got him. Like, that doesn't matter. Just go get him.

Let these fucking idiots. Yeah. High five. And what do we see, you know, Holly Hunter go, yeah, you know, like, give me something. I did it. Also not mattering. Will Patton, just as we close out on him. Oh, yeah.

When he's closing, like, he does a whole thing, like, we got to watch him pack his fucking bags. because the knife built character. It's at all, like, an I always loved you thing, and Holly Hunter is now completely on board for reasons I can't understand? Like, he's telling her to be careful. He's packing up his desk, right?

You know, there's kind of one lamp lit left in the precinct. There's a 90-year-old Italian man playing a violin in the corner, right? And he goes, you know, he's like, be careful. You know, copycat's really getting the best of everyone in this police department, by the way. Except for that Chinese guy, he had his head on straight. And she's like, yeah, well don't worry about it and then you know he goes uh you know because uh i've i've always loved you know i still love you and she's like uh yeah i know and she's like putting on this

oversized like fucking david burns suit coat and she just like gets out of there and i'm like okay oh shock now will patten's just out of this movie also but i did want to bring up the the firing scene because there is something there that i think is pretty outrageous um So he doesn't get fired. That's the outrageous part. He gets paid leave after you left the door open. You left the door open for Durbit Moroni to get blown away. But also even on that tip is, you know, she's like, she's standing up for him.

She's trying to, you know, she's trying to give up her job for him. And she hated his guts before he killed her partner. But because he killed her partner, she's like, you know, ready to lay down on the train tracks for him. It makes no sense. She's like, now I feel bad for me. It's the best situation. You are part of the murder of a fellow officer.

And I understand it was an accident. But really, you got paid. You're not fired. You're getting paid for the time you're away. Yeah. It's the best scenario. And Holly Hunter acts like he got stabbed into back. So while this is happening,

copycat breaks into the apartment by posing as a police officer. her and attacks Sigourney Weaver and kidnaps her, right? Holly Hunter walks into this apartment being like, you know, hey, where are you? Don't hide. It's almost over. And then...

Hey, you left the step ladder out. I couldn't open the door. And so she walks in and there's a camcorder on because it's 1995. It's definitely a camcorder. And it's pointing at her and there's a little sticky note that says press play, play me, whatever.

and it's this dude and he's filmed himself like tying her up like this kind of a thing hilariously it cuts it's doing a little like shot reverse shot of holly hunter watching this this tv and it cuts to her when he reveals like you know i've got her hidden and she just mouths fuck just to nobody it's so awesome so here we are you know she's she's on camera in the red dress and he's like all right if you're a good detective which she's not copycat putting an awful lot of faith in this woman you know she's wearing her beautiful red dress

so if you remember this beautiful red dress you'll know where I am and you're like okay the site of that lecture where Harry Connich Jr. hung her great and it's just it's the end of the movie right she's getting hung it's like the beginning of the movie and you know she does the thing

which all 90s you know you're making fun of his plan so now he has to lose he loses his control. It loses his cool a little bit. And he's doing a weird thing where he's trying to like exactly reenact what Harry Connick Jr. did kind of a thing.

You know, so he's like, but do it right. Yeah, exactly. So he's like killed the police officer who's, you know, on the bathroom floor just like that guy was. She's hanging from the thing. Just like, you know, everything's going, you know, the way it's supposed to go or whatever. And Holly Hunter is on her way to solve this whole thing. To stall

Sigourney Weaver gives a off fuck it to the world and just like she's kind of like hanging by like her foot she's got like a her big toe is on the toilet seat it's the only thing that's keeping her from hanging

and she's just like let's go so she starts hanging herself and this guy's like no that's not supposed to be like that you know like starts trying to lift her back up and everything and it's just it's a big old fucking cat and mouse struggle it'd be great if you know

like she's doing that and he's trying to reenact the whole thing and all of a sudden all these Chinese gangsters show up And I was like, wait, what do you guys do here? And the two movies fight each other. That would be fantastic. And then, like, the ghost of Dermot Mulroney's there for some reason. He's ghost fighting people.

That'd be fantastic. I love it. Well, and Copicat does, and Ethan Hunt takes off his mask. It's the little Chinese guy who killed Dermalrony. Well, because that's the other thing in this movie, right? Like, it, you need, it's a movie like this. It's dull as dirt, formulaic movie. you need

the killer to be hidden the entire time so that at the end of the movie it's fucking Will Patton and nobody cares right like that's what it's supposed to be that would make that character make any sense so by the way so Holly Hunter has put on a bulletproof vest

it's like one of the last things she does with Will Patton she puts on a kid size bulletproof vest and she goes down there she breaks into this bathroom breaks up this whole party and whatever and copycat shoots her now this is interesting

the first shot hits her in the show shoulder and it's a clean breakthrough to the other side and smashes into the mirror and shatters all this glass all over the place, right? Second shot clearly hits Holly Hunter in the chest. You see like the white vest explode and then more of this mirror breaks off as if that bullet went through. How as the director of a major motion picture are you letting this stuff slide by? And I, and this is how you can tell it's a bad glaring error.

I'm not a guy who catches errors like that too often Because I just kind of I watch movies and then like figure it out afterwards But some people do sit there and just kind of like nitpick things as it goes along I always miss that so if I'm to catch it It's so glaringly obvious It's a really huge problem And this glass is just going everywhere Sigourney Weaver winds up stabbing him with some

Because who cares And all of a sudden you know in the studio that fucked up Brazil did not was not working on this one either like they just couldn't they were you go with your vision pal whatever you want to do so she gets over her agoraphobia to run up to the roof

copycat of course follows her up and just when you think he might fucking stab her out comes Holly Hunter with a couple of shots and now this time get that thing out of your back pocket it's in the shoulder first okay he drops the gun

or the knife it's a knife drops the knife and she's like I did it. And then, like, he turns around and he's like, yeah, but now I have a gun. And she just, like, blasts him to shit. Well, it's like, it's like four of them. Like, first, it's the shot and he drops the knife. Then he takes it the gun.

It's three more. And then there's the headshot. There's just a sick head shot out of nowhere. And you cut to Dermot Mulroney's grave and he's like, finally. Fucking learn to listen. Wait, I'm buried alive. That shouldn't be Oh no

And what ever happen Of those Chinese guys I'm a real booming voice for this to be on dirt What Six feet of dirt Yeah it's fine It's a fucking comedy show I get it

Sure hope Will Patton didn't lose his job Don't worry He's fine How are you in here Just go with it so i mean that's it copycats dead and then this is oh oh the little twist at the end of this movie really steams huh because what this needs to be this is setting up us don't even it's setting up that sequel don't worry about it like what it needs to be is six months later

sigourney weaver is teaching she's out in a park somewhere exactly like yeah she's teaching a class maybe the lectures outside in a in a quad or something thing, whatever, like seeing, you know, that, you know, she's gotten over the copycat, this, that, and the other thing. No, no, no, no. The last thing we see in this movie of her is her slowly just like kind of walking over to Holly Hunter, like, thanks, I guess. And that's the end of that. And Holly Hunter's on six Apple Carts to be able to look at her in the eyes, just so they can hug each other. It's not weird. Or she goes to Durham Moroni's grave, and it's like, I mean, it's, who cares about the movie, so zombie hand.

Oh, yeah, totally. Help me. Got a shovel? So, no, we cut to, you start hearing it first, and you're like, what is Harry Connick Jr. up to now? And it's, we, we dissolve into his jail cell, and he's writing a letter to a new person, a new disciple. And he's talking about how copycat got copy cocky. And, you know, he overstepped his bounds, messed up.

If you play it straight and narrow, you can be my disciple. You can get this woman. And it's like, Sigourney, we've. is not out of danger. Dear Conrad, thank you for your letter. Well, praise the Lord, I know you must be so happy that he chose to spare Dr. Hudson. The big guy moves in mysterious ways, don't he?

Now, it just so happens I'm awaiting the arrival of a pair of genuine Helen Hudson undies. You know what this movie needed or what this fucking prison system needs? A tight-ass like Anthony Held. Because you know what? Anthony Held will be like, oh, hey, you know, Hannibal Lecter's communicating with people trying to kill other people.

Let's take away his letter writing privileges. Also, by the way, he's still alive. He broke out of prison, killed presumably three people, instructed this guy that we all know he definitely was instructing. Yeah, all this stuff. He's still just in jail. Now, I don't know if this is like a new thing. I mean, yeah, he's just in jail and it's ridiculous.

Like he should be in solitary confinement on death row or something. Like John Voight and runaway train just fucking gone from the earth. But I don't know if it's like a newer policy with prisons or whatever. But like on Oz and like Orange is the New Black, they definitely were getting their mail red. Yeah, of course. So how is it that Harry Connick Jr. is fucking sending this mail to this disciple? You can take you take those privileges away once you realize he's openly

influencing people to commit crime. Yeah, oh, fuck, he did this once already, you can't write letters anymore. Beyond that, when the Skype conversation happens, he has a bargain with her for evidence. He wants a pair of her as he calls it.

Sammy, some of you squirrel covers. Oh, squirrel covers. That's disgusting. He's kind of effectively gross in this movie, because he's got really bad, dyed red hair, which I assume is supposed to be his real color in this movie, which doesn't make sense?

It's like Seth Green Red. It's like, get the fuck out of here. He stole it from Robert Downey Jr. wherever that fucking Dreams movie was with a Ned Benning. In dreams. He's got like the acne and like just grossness all over his face.

He looks like real human garbage. He looks the park. The park. The park. He's never going to look at a park again. He's in prison for life. I look the park. I'm six feet under it.

Oh, dead Dermit Mulroney. You're my favorite new character. He's kind of like Beetlejuice, you know. Just under there trying to ask, say Dermit Mulrudey three times. The sun's shining up there? That's the sequel you want, right? Dermit Mulroney Beetlejuice helping Holly Hunter shittily solve a crime. And he's like, he's like, Dr. Lector.

She just has to come to him every once while for clues. Holy hoary, I got one piece of advice for you. Don't give Chinese guys donuts. I don't call it. I don't hold a grudge. Just kidding around. So, how am I doing on flowers up there? My mother and father been around lately? Yeah, I'm not going to complain because I'm here, but my initial final wishes were to be cremated.

What did it happen with that? I didn't even get that cop Irish funeral like I saw in the wire. Scat it off the Golden Gate Bridge. Wrote it myself that will. Oh, man. And that's copycat. Would anybody recommend this movie? I weirdly have an affinity for this movie.

It's totally watchable. It's not a good movie. It's got a... Plot holes that you could just fucking... Like dinosaur tracks, these plot holes. Plot holes that you could bury Dermot Mulroney in. I say no, I wouldn't recommend this movie, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to watch this movie again in my own lifetime.

Uh-huh. Chris Cabin. Uh, I mean, I mean, we've been making fun of her for her height and her accent and other things she can't control, but Holly Hunter really holds this thing together as well as it can be. Like, her and Sigourney Weaver kind of bring it here. Yeah. I think they're both doing good enough jobs. So for that, I very, very mildly recommend it. It's a very similar to, to me at least, like Twister. It's a Sunday hangover movie.

Yeah, it's just on, most definitely is. There's nothing really going on, but hey, people are doing stuff, I guess. If you got laundry going, you know, and you got to, like, go out and put the clothes in the dryer, maybe go get some quarters and whatnot, you know, then sure. Just leave it on. Don't pause it when you go to the laundry. No, no. You know, just keep it going. Because it is, it's like a clean two hours that you don't feel the two hours.

But my biggest problem with it, I mean, aside of everything we just kind of made fun of here, is the fact that, like, this needs to be Sigourney Weaver's movie, and you can't make her share the screen with Holly Hunter in the way that this does. Like, Holly Hunter needs to be a tertiary character. Sigourney Weaver... Or an antagonist. Yeah, like, Sigourney Weaver needs to be the main character.

Sigourney Weaver needs to be the one that gets copycat in the end, because that's how she gets over her agoraphobia, because that's how you tell a fucking story. That's what needed to happen, and it doesn't happen. And, you know, points for fucking random Chinese gang. because that's just the dumbest thing I've ever seen and it's fine it's what it's just it's so stupid

but like you said Steve I do find this movie eerily watchable and it's movies like this where I'm like yeah I could watch that again I'm like what the fuck's wrong with you do anything else finish Moby Dick like fucking do something anything else than watch copycat again but

yeah I'll probably watch copycat again There's all those Fossbinder movies I've never seen any one of them any single one of them instead of spending another two hours. Yeah, you know, his BDR trilogy is pretty awesome. You should check that out. That's Copycat from 1995, directed by John A. Meal. If you want to get a hold of us, check out our website, whhmpodcast.com. You can like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter at WHM podcast. Right into our mailbag. We all hate movies at gmail.com.

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You know we should give hints I think from here on out As to what next week's episode is going to be All right we have these things planned out So why not So Chris Cabin Hint Giver of the week What's the hint for next week's episode?

I'm probably going to say her name wrong. Be prepared for that. Emmanuel Barrett. Yeah, you did it. It's a film starring Emmanuel Barrett in some capacity. She is the star of the film. Yes. We'll put that as that.

That's what it is. Emmanuel Barrett is the star of next week's film. And by the way, again, kudos for guessing copycat from fucking Dermit Mulroney. That was a big one. My goodness, that's fantastic. I'm surprised you didn't say Wonderland because that stars Jeremy McDowell. Dylan McDermott Dylan McDermott

See even their names are stationing now They're just melding together Dermit McDowlands How about a Holly Hunter and Helen Hunt Huh? We don't mix those two up Yeah one's a foot tall in the other one That's we eight movies for this week Until next time I'm Andrew Juppin

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