We Hate Movies - S4 Ep135: Episode 135 - Ghostbusters II

Episode Date: December 10, 2013

On this very special third anniversary show, the gang's all here, on the air to rant about the nostalgia-tainted, comedy-free sequel, Ghostbusters II! Why wasn't the focus centered on the comedy? Why not make a new movie instead of a carbon copy of the original? And how on Earth does the entire cast treat Winston like such crap? Plus: Egon Spengler, slime sex offender. Ghostbusters II stars Ernie Hudson, Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Sigourney Weaver, Harold Ramis, Rick Moranis, Annie Potts and Peter MacNicol; directed by Ivan Reitman. The cast of WHM would like to thank our amazing fan base for enjoying the show for the last three years. You gals and guys make it worth every second! Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies

Hello, I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Siddak. Chris Cabin. Eric Siska. And we hate movies. Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in to what turned out to be our third anniversary.

show. That's right. We've been rattling around the halls of the internet for three years. So we're all on hand to talk about a movie that might be a little of a controversial pick for some people. Ivan Reitman's 1989 Ghostbusters Duh. Everyone listening,

you know, it's okay. This is like a cocoon. It's okay to like a movie. You really make it feel okay about it but saying, it's okay if you like it. I was being sincere. it is okay to like it and i guess you know the perfect example of this is the fact that until like a year

ago i was one of those people who was like hey man ghostbusters two's an awesome movie and uh you know i always say like it's the third movie i saw fuck is going on outside fucking motorcycle gang they they heard a dude ghostbusters two sons are anarchy are coming after us oh no the sons no but you know it's the third movie i ever saw in theaters and so i kind of had that in place i saw it before i saw ghostbusters right yeah but you know it was like a year ago i say this in front of steve and he's like what the fuck are you talking about you were in the it's almost a tie situation like ghostbusters one i was too kind of almost as good as each other not not in my house it's i mean it's technically the same movie so i was sort of closed yeah but uh no this this movie's

boring. This movie is uncreative. It's not funny whatsoever. Everyone's asleep. Yep. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to be there. There's no through line. I mean, it's all like choppiness. But it's the Ghostbusters. It's also... Don't you like the Ghostbusters? I thought I did, crazy man. Are you Rick Moranis's father or... No idea. That's a great voice though. It's a man on the street. It's Joe Sixpack. Here he is. Yeah, it's just, it's your classic carbon copy sequel, and it's wretched. And, you know, now having watched the movie, you know, through what I've been calling the W.H.M. Gaze, you know, I have seen The Lightman. I am unplugged from the Matrix. This is just dumb. It's bad. It's a bad movie.

You know, having said that, I'll probably see another 20 times before I die. It's a Ghostbusters movie, but it's just, it's a bad movie on a fundamental, like, comedy level. It's kind of a weird failure because it's got the original, all of the original cast is there. All the original cast. The budget is not bad. The director is there. The writers are there. Everybody's in place and they just kind of didn't bother to show up.

And it's not like it was a movie that was churned out like for the next summer. Yeah. It was exactly five years. So like you had time to figure out. I just picture like, you know, this script is written by Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramos. I have a feeling like they were just kind of sitting around like, yeah, yeah, we know when the script is due, we'll get there, don't worry.

And then like the day before they're supposed to start table reads, like Ivan Reitman calls and he's like, hey, hey, Danny, you guys got that script ready to go? And Dan Akrobe was like, oh, fuck! And he threw down his bathtub vodka and got to a typewriter. Well, because, I mean, the difference was meant

because what? The first movie, they wrote it and apparently they got stoned and just wrote it in a house in case. Cod. That's one of the greatest stories of all time. They went out for a week, smoking a bunch of grass, and they wrote one of the most amazing comedies ever. And this, it seems like they just hung around ate, like, tuna from the can and, like, took mucinex or something. Like, it's just like the lamest wet noodle of a story. Wet noodle is kind of a way to go with it. Yeah, I would

say that. And even with the, the quote-unquote, WHM gaze of, like, I fucking hate everything, I rewatch that first movie. It's fantastic. It's literally, it hasn't even lost a beat. I'm laughing out loud in my home by myself. Yeah, I mean, we're making fun of Ghostbusters too, but, you know, we're not writing a bad review of Ghostbusters. No. Like certain websites have. Yeah, no, that's absolutely correct.

Ghostbusters, you know, is able to move beyond nostalgia. And it's a fucking funny movie. Like, it's not just a silly ghost movie. As a matter of fact, Steve, I rewatched it maybe about three weeks ago. It was one of those Sunday things I'm putting on Ghostbusters. I'm still catching some jokes in the nooks and crannies of that movie that I hadn't got before

and I've seen the movie a hundred times and that's the sign of a good movie like those caddy shacks another one you're like oh I never saw that before kind of a thing this is just like every single thing it's just out there and none of the jokes land well Ghostbusters is comedy first it's all you know what I mean like there's ghosts in there

there's some action some adventure some romance but it's all like let's What's the joke of the scene? Let's write around that. Let's find a way to make this. And then the gozer shows up in the last 20 minutes, and we have the stave of marshmallow man, and it's over with.

This movie, the plot is so important to it, the story, the villain, who's going to be the villain in the next Ghostbusters movie? I don't give a flying fuck. Let's sit down and eat pizza and make some jokes. I just assume the villain was always ghosts. Blank ghosts. See, that's another thing that this movie amps up more than the original.

original too. I was like, is this a world where there's ghosts running around, or is it just out and out monsters? Like, could the Ghostbusters fight a Dracula? You know, are there werewolves floating around? That would almost be interesting. Instead, like, when the

ghosts do eventually come back, which takes a while, and there's a little montage of ghouls, there is a shot of, I think it's like Washington Square Park. Yes. And it's a Cloverfield. It's a rancor. It's a rancor. I thought, I think Luke Skywalker was escaping it at the

chicken boat in its mouth. Yeah. Help me. Well, there's that. There's like I mean, that's another thing with this movie. There's a whole lot of like montages because we just got to fucking pass the ghost busting time. And there's the one where like the ladies fur coats got

the little beasts on it. Yeah. Well, where the fuck did they come from? You're not just wearing this thing and there's fucking heads floating around. It's a bunch of little animal ghosts come back. Well, you know what? Those seals had unfinished business. I think it's mix Yeah

But that's another thing though This movie's got so many Like the old The side plot of the Ghostbusters Go up to that cabin And there's that ghost bege And that first one There's so

It's clearly so many dropped scenes And storylines And deleted segments That you see in these montages That's them ghost busting And I'm like Hey It's Ghostbusters too

How about some ghost busting? that's the problem because the beginning of you would think like the beginning of the movie let's just get right back to it let's either pick right up or maybe we've been ghost busting for a while maybe we're tired of ghost busting but for some reason at the end of the first ghostbussing movie i don't know if you've seen in a while they saved the world they like unapologetically on camera save the fucking world in front of everybody rod jeremy's there as an extra he even sees what's going on like the world is saved yep and there's an 80 foot marshmallow man that trounces through Manhattan announcing to the world, guess what, there's ghosts. It's a real there's no going back from, you know,

we don't, you know, you can't unknow what we know now, right? Like it's, that movie's 9-11. Like the stay puffed marshmallow man is a 9-11 situation. It's a supernatural 9-11. Yeah.

Tremendous property damage. Oh yeah. Top to bottom, huge property damage. I remember 9-11, Chris. That is exactly what I said after 9-11. Oh, my God, the property damage. But, you know, the heroes of the world, just four working stiff guys save the world.

And in this movie, and they're praised. The second they come off that high-rise, everybody's just hooting, hollering. Even Dan Aykroyd's getting laid tonight. That's how crazy sits getting. That's how much. was on the line. It was that Dan Aykroyd,

Dr. Not Dan Aykroyd, but Dr. Raymond Stance. Dr. Raymond's stance fucked a 10 after that thing, okay? Like, it was a real deal thing. We cut to five years later, somehow everyone forgot that ghosts exist. Everyone forgot what happened. And somehow

the Ghostbusters got blamed for all the property damage. It's as if Dickliss from the first movie wound up like convincing everyone like, no, the Ghostbusters did cause all this. It was toxic fumes from their containment unit. It was all staged

or something. There's no, it doesn't make any sense. Now they are, they're a destitute basically doing child's parties now as clowns. Yeah, they're doing Jason Reitman's birthday party. And this thing is like, I feel like that beginning might have flown for

Ghostbusters 3, like 20 years later, whatever it is. But why do, why do it, right after they haven't even built the church back up that the marshmallow man destroyed you know what i mean like that's still not done and they're reduced to nothing and then and this movie just surprised they quickly overcome it and it's like so i have to watch them being being humiliated i mean that's what i would think it is for like 30 minutes for no reason they come in and they're losers they're these big they're victims in this movie which makes no sense and i would have rather had had had the

like the quiz show movie that happened in the five years in between where they are found like if they if they're actually went on trial I'm like no you made all this up that would be amazing

like a Corbyn drama like a Scopes monkey trial but it's a scopes ghost trial you need you need to start this movie with an inciting incident in where the Ghostbusters screw something up then you can cut to five years later

and it's their they're playing birthday parties this movie just starts with the five years later text that's it like you need to see them fall from grace they should have like accidentally killed someone and be like but i got his ghost you want to talk to him like oh my god the ghostbusters are monsters but it's the ghost

paul scoffield plays uh in your quiz show movie paul scoffield plays uh egon's father you made up the ghosts oh my god go to egon's house for the summer Speaking of Egon as a character in general, I noticed this on this re-watching this, he's just Spock. Like, his character is just Spock. Yeah, it's Spock. I mean, it's great in the first movie, but it's still just Spock.

I'm not a fan of this word, but it came to my head the mid-ed, like, about halfway through this movie, right after this first time to see him, he's a bit bitchy in this movie. Yeah, just like Spock. Like every little, every time you cut to him, he's just got like a little snarky comment, like, no, that's. That's not how it happened. Yeah. He is kind of a dick. He's an asshole. I mean, that's a problem.

He's the only one doing well at this point, too, it's seemingly. He's got some weird experimental psychology firm where part of his research is filming a young girl. Okay. That experiment's really weird because what they're measuring is like the effects of emotions on a room. So like they have the couple that's arguing. So they're seeing like how the. room feels about that that's really weird this movie's the real villain of this movie is negative energy like that's what's all about and that's so harold raymond i mean egon has been hanging out

with like experimenting on an energy in a room i guess and that's why he can i guess figure out that a painting can do that too by the way the the experiments are going at going on at Columbia University. Hey, Dean Yeager. Sure. Yeah, where the fuck is Dean Yeager, by the way? That'd be great if he came back. You'd be great if you got rode out on a rail.

You fired the Ghostbusters. That was a cash cow, Yeager. Well, they're at Columbia in the first movie. Yeah, they got kicked. Well, I guess Harold Ramos comes back. But also, here's the thing. If we're assuming in this world that the Ghostbusters didn't save the world, and they're just quote unquote con artists they all get the chair like that's it like you've killed

people you you know what i mean like there's well that's what i was kind of curious about from that first movie like with little stay puffs damage and everything are people losing their lives somebody somebody's dead someone's dead somebody's got to be dead what's the body count i mean hundreds if i if i saw a fucking 100 pound 100 foot marshmallow man i'd have a fucking heart attack i would just be dead so there's a lot of those like oh my middle And he's 30. Think of all the 80-year-olds are on that street. It is the Upper West Side, by the way.

There's a lot of rich old fucks up there. That is true. And I would be very weary of dying during an event in which the traveler has come and Gozer is taking over. Because if I die, I'm likely just getting my soul is going to be like Gozer's toilet paper. Yeah, you get sucked into that portal too. It's like, no, I just died by accident. Oh, I got to go to the hell dog world? Great.

By the way, Gozer's toilet paper was the name of a band I was in high school. No. You wish. It's a rap rock outfit, I believe. With hats on backwards. Insofar as the Ghostbusters not doing so well, I think Ray St. St. Hans has got the cushiest lot. Like, he's running that old occult bookstore.

It's a bookstore that I, for the first time time, I noticed it's on St. Marks. I wish I had that. Like, after we get exposed. con artist, I hope I get to open an occult bookstore. Oh yeah, just a cushy little East Village, little bookstore. That's the thing, too. Specialty bookstore.

You don't got any motherfuckers coming looking for little romance novels. It's fucking ghouls and goblins 24-7. You're taking care of because at least five times a day, you got somebody asking for you to order the anarchist's handbook. Or the cookbook, the anarchist cookbook. Yeah, he's doing

that, and then, you know, Bill Burns... Yeah, but we have the Hunger Games, too. You know, we've got a We've got to stand that as the Hunger Games. You've got to have it. Have you red gone, girl? Pretty strong. Pretty strong little read. Actually, I think at this point it would be a Kindle store or something.

Actually, Eric, the occult section is the only section of the book buying world that's not affected by the Kindle. The spells don't work if they're lit by an LED light. Everybody knows a spell read electronically doesn't work. That's one of the things that you don't know. It's like a spell, part of the spell is written on. on wood. You know, like, that's the first part. They, they don't, it's understood, so they don't write it there.

Right. Now, that's totally true. Yeah. And so Bill Murray's got a cable access program, World of the Psychic, where he's interviewing Kevin Dunn and the lady who played Nancy Spungeon in this like nothing cameo. And this is post-Sid Nancy. I'm like, the fuck are you doing in this movie? And she's the one that realizes that the world is going to end, or he realizes that

it's kind of hilarious. Kevin Dunn realizes that the world is going to end up. New Year's, which it will if the Ghostbusters don't get their act together. Correct. And the other woman was just raped and like, she was like roofied. Buy an alien equipment. Yeah, but she was just because she's

like, yeah, I was at this bar and this guy gave me a drink and I woke up in his room and it was really scary. And I think he was an alien. And Bill said he was in it. Not really idiot. That's the job I want when this show goes under. It's sort of what Blamey at Rape victims.

Well, if they I think it was aliens, then yes. I guess that is a little hilarious. Let me tell you something. You know where an alien is never going to nest Paramis, New Jersey, which is where she says she was at the time of this encounter. Maybe the toxicity of the air allows them to breathe. Wasn't she also the girl who ends up with Danny DeVito and twins?

Yes. Because that experience would explain this. Oh, I'm an alien. Yeah, that's right. I'm from another planet. this is a little alien dust for your drink oh is that why you look so weird that's why you have that ponytail on my planet i'm tall i play on a basketball team speaking of uh tiny creeps uh she's also uh the hooker with a heart of gold that bob hoskins gets in heart condition you're absolutely correct uh Dana

Barrett by the way again because this movie has to start at zero uh apparently she uh stopped dating bill Murray stopped being, here's the thing. If you're in the orchestra, that's a pretty big fucking deal. That takes a lifetime to master. But it's not just the orchestra. Like she's in the first movie, she's recording it, rehearsing at Lincoln Center. She's playing in the fucking New York Philharmonic. That's her job. That's the top. That's as far as you're going to go because you're not going to be yo-yo ma. And then she takes a side job just because you know, pay the rent after she has a kid. As an art curator, that's a 12-year apprenticeship.

Like, what? It's not a job of Denny's. How, how, how, how? Oh, well, kind of art world, kind of art world. Yeah, no, yeah, you could go between those. And you're sitting there watching. Just to pay the bills, what are you going to do? You're watching the movie, though, and you're just like, Dan Aykroyd, Harold Ramos.

They both know what happened in the first movie. You might even say they were the fucking stars of it. You're writing this movie. would you just do that? What's so bad about her being a cello player? So, just so we have the timeline correct here in this little five year gap. Yeah, please, Chris, make sure we got everything

straight. Okay, a lot of information going on. This is Ghostbusters do here. First thing, they're outed as hucksters. Yep, con artists. A. Then, the relationship between Dan Aykroyd and Sigourney Weaver... Bill Murray. Bill Murray, sorry.

And Sigourney Weaver putters out. She meets Somebody new, dates him, marries him. Yep. Has a kid, breaks up with him. You got it. And there's a 12-year course for art restoration. And he abandons his child and moves to Europe or something.

He just has no fucking time for it. It's been a whirlwind for Dana Barrett. By the way, all of that, all of that, just to show me, hey, could Bill Murray be a good stepdad? Which is what everyone who watched that first Ghostbusters movie Wanted the edge of that question. No, I wanted a biological Bill Murray, Childs. I wanted Vankman Jr. Dude, I wanted it to be a thing where the end of the movie,

it turns out Bill Murray is the biological movie. Oh, shit, twist. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, no, I want to see the Dana Barrett side movie where we watch her go to both night and day school to get this degree in time for this sequel. While pregnant. Yeah, while raising this child.

What are you even talking about? But she even says in the beginning, it's like a dropped line. She's just like, you know, I'm thinking now that Oscar's a little older, I might go back to the symphony. Does she say that? Yeah, it's like telling your temp agency

that you're done being a temp and you should go back. Like, no, I'm sorry. These are both, they're both extremely difficult, extremely skilled positions. Yeah, and the position has been filled. Oh, by the way, yeah.

The museum, which is a fake museum in this movie, the Manhattan Museum of Art, they're having a De Gaia exhibition. And, yeah, her job is touching up paintings. Yeah. You don't let some night school lackey just in there with a brush cleaning this thing. Yeah, yeah.

It's fucking hundreds of years old. But I play a violin, so, or cellar, whatever. So. Can we talk about Peter? McNickel? Yes, please. One of the only people trying in this movie

to no avail. You know what? Here's a little tip though for Peter McNickle. Even though I do like him in this movie, trying a little too hard. Well, the note I have here

when he comes on screen is Peter, how and why McNickle. He apparently was so into this role that he was making a whole lot of Yanos-Poha backstory about the country

that he was from, which is a fake country as far as I know, Carpathia. Is that a fake country? Yeah. Yeah, right? That sounds fake. I mean, call me on it, audience, if you got Carpathian relatives. Because it's supposed to be somewhere in the Balkans near Hungary.

And no, in my mind, that doesn't check out. But so Peter McNichael made up this whole history of Carpathia, including drawing a picture of what he thought the Carpathian flag looked like. You know, that was at the bottom of Dan Aykroyd's Garbethia. by the way. Hey, Danny, I got a great idea. It's all this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's great. That's great. That's fantastic. Aliens in here. No, oh, garbage. Dan Aykroyd was given that flag drawing while he was eating a huge slice of pizza. And after he consumed said slice of pizza, used that drawing to wipe his mouth and then threw it in the garbage. Because who gives a shape.

Wipes up the condensation that came from the fountain soda. Get that off there. Nice clean desk. Goodbye. So instead of in, you know, the first movie we've got, like, there's these inklings of like a fucking crazy-looking dog, say in Zool, I'm like, what the fuck's that? It's just, no, the living painting, hello, I'm your villain. The painting videodromes. That's the only thing that happens.

Well, I'll tell you this, this is something that I actually only noticed this first time I watched it, is this movie has such a gigantic plot hole that technically this movie should, the story shouldn't come together. There's no way the Ghostbusters would figure this out. So here's my thinking on this. The movie starts with Dana Barrett's walking her kid on the Upper East Side. She's moved to the other side of the park because that's fucking ghost town where she was in the last movie. So I'll move to the Upper East Side. That's just all rich old people. Well, that's on the west side, that's where all the symphony orchestra lives.

And this is where the art historians go. It's more of an Eastern. Because it's the Metz on the East side. Yeah, you're right. And suddenly it's like Douglas Circus. New York. Like there's this cab who's ready to take her groceries. It's a whole thing. So like her carriage like gets

pulled away and it's going through the streets and whoopty fuck like it's a paranormal event. She called, we all know this, right? She calls the Ghostbusters in aside from Venkman because she doesn't want to see him. And not Winston because Winston's kind of not a real ghostbuster. Yep, totally isn't. You know, so she's like, listen,

Egon and Stance, you know, can you please investigate this carriage crisis? That's the start of the paranormal what's going's on right okay then later in the movie is when Bill Murray visits her at work where she's

restoring paintings somehow and he sees the fucking the Vigo painting and Peter McNichols carpathying out all over the place and Bill Murray is just like huh that's weird so it's two separate things okay then somewhere in the middle there's a scene

later where Dan Ackroyd and Harold Ramis are doing research and he's like, oh, by the way, I did some research into that Vigo character that Venkman mentioned. And I'm like, wait, why? You're investigating this carriage crisis. You know about the river of slime. That's already happened. You know what's going on with all that.

That's what you're researching. You're researching your mood slime. Why are you taking time out of that to research the backstory of fucking Vigo the Carpathian? Maybe because he wants to order a book on him for the store. so what do you just get like bored with slime rivers running under new york well that's a given right i guess and there's chuds and we know the story of new york ghostbusters v chuds by the way by the way though it's an and you know this is not a thing because it's not like a movie that needed to be made for new york audiences i mean it is

a movie that's filmed on location in new york which is awesome there's a lot of cool 80s exterior of New York, but Dan Aykroyd says he's like, oh, it's the old pneumatic transit system, blah, blah, blah. The pneumatic transit system was the first ever subway that was built in the city, right? Built independently of the city's permission. The motherfucker just dug a hole and built this thing, okay? It was a city block long, like 312 feet or something like that. In this movie, it's this huge rail system where this fucking locomotives chug a choo-choo and all the way through it. I was like, why would you do that?

Like, just make it an old, there's plenty of old abandoned subway lines in this city. That's a fascinating thing that you can waste a whole week on on the internet. But, like, it's just these little details that I'm like, this movie is just so poorly thought out, poorly researched. You're just throwing things in for no reason. Yeah. And also this river of slime things itself.

There's like hands that come out of it, like with three, like finger. Yes, it's like the slime personifies itself. Well, there's that great scene where Sigourney Weaver takes her shirt off to bathe with this baby. For no fucking reason. It's just like, why not audience? You paid a ticket.

Click and then Dana takes her shirt off. Hey, Ramis, you think you think Sigourney'll take her shirt off for this one or what? Yeah, I guess so. Oh, good. I'm finally going to write that scene. You know, Ray, sorry, you know, Dan, a lot more kids are coming.

of these movies. I don't care. Click, click, click, click. Yeah, yeah, I already put one in. She's got a kid. She's got a kid. She's bathed with it. It's great. Look, it doesn't have to be full frontal. It's just partial frontal. This episode's brought you in part by Rocket Money, and they have this question

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and all of a sudden like egon's an improv comedian which is kind of problematic like this is also it's kind of what they do in that first movie. It's a deleted scene where Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray are homeless people in Central Park. Oh, yeah. And Rick Moranis runs through when he's possessed and they're just like, and there's like there's a little bit of the two old guys from trading places kind of a bit there. It's that again, like all of a sudden, the three of them are just in the middle of the road being like, oh, oh, do you tell him to stop God, no way, Bruno, what the fuck's going on?

They're playing common. You know, they're like, oh, what is the guy that does work like Khan Edison or something sound like, oh, moron? Yes. I imagine those jobs are pretty involved. But it leads us to the best scene in the movie, which is the Ghostbusters have to stand trial. Not the go. Oh, everybody but Winston. Winston shows up at the beginning of the trial.

Like, boy, you guys are in some mess. See you later, movie. Like, it's just, why the fuck is, and I'll fucking say it. why is Winston riding at the back of the bus of this movie? You know why? It's bullshit. He earned his stripes in the first movie as a fucking... He's a ghostbuster. He's a full on fucking

ghostbuster. It doesn't make... Like, here's what I don't understand about that. You either have Winston in the courtroom supporting the Ghostbusters or you don't have him at all. Why does he come in at the beginning like, oh, what a mess? And then he leaves and misses all the action. He's not even sitting there with

them. Worse than that! They make another ghost They do. Instead of using the Ghostbuster you have, you made another Ghostbuster. Is he a white gentleman, Chris? He is. All right, good. Thank God. That's what I was getting a little uncertain of my ratios. 25% is a little high for me. But Harris Eulen's rocking ass in this movie. He's great. I mean, he's great as the judge. Rick Moranis is actually, like, full on hysterical in this scene. Rick Moranis is the best part of his movie. Him and Annie Potts best part of this movie, hands down.

They're just really funny. They're doing, like, the thing is they're doing characters, which, I mean, like, Ray, Dan Aykroyd kind of, like, butches up a bit in this movie. He's less a moronic baby man, which is a bit of a problem. Yeah, but he's still a baby man, though. Yeah, that's true. He's not getting as excited over the, but he's still like, oh, you got him now, fellas. Oh, you've got him. Oh, boys, we're back.

Well, I mean, you've got to do something. Vankman is blowing raspberries on a fucking baby's stomach half this movie. and like I don't know what you were thinking to have one character that's just a center that isn't the dick Egon like that's what I need

I need somebody to lead this fucking team and it's Bill Burry's not doing anything Bill Murray does nothing in this movie and you can tell he wasn't happy with the movie like while he's fucking Oh yeah he's just Most of his lines are like fucking just asides to no one And he even said like there was some interview

where he was like right after it came out He was like, yeah, that movie needed less slime and more us. And I'm like, yeah, because you're kind of just not doing anything. Nobody's doing it. I mean, so, yeah, the Scolary brothers, not Peter Scaleri and his brother. He gave him the chair. He tried him for murder. So good.

I love it. Harris Eulen's amazing. He says that they should be burdened at this. He like gives them their sentence, like, three years, $100,000 each or something. And he's like, and on a personal note. If I had my way, you'd be burned at the stake. That's going on the record, Judge, you know? It seems like the beginning of a stroke.

Like, he's kind of in his own space. And he's escalating. He doesn't notice that a windstorm is starting in his courtroom. Why? Be quiet. Shut up. See, it's all the negative energy, and it's like, dude, man, justice is really harsh in my buzz. Says the slime.

Man, if Rick Moranis was a good enough lawyer, which he's not, also, he goes from a tax account. By the way, what the fuck are you doing? Why is he even a lawyer? He's an accountant in the first movie. Why is everyone changing the job there? Everyone's a Homer Simpson in this movie. What's wrong with having to be an accountant?

He's in a successful account. He's got that high-rise apartment, which I mean, he probably got insurance for. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's that, that building, that's not a rental situation. You buy that fucking place and you live there. Give me that gaggle of guys. I'm putting Egon to defend me, you know? Put him up there.

Nah, don't Rick Moranis. He's a buffoon. He's such a buffoon. Like, why would you ask Lewis Tully? By the way, in the five years, was he the only one that didn't turn on the Ghostbusters? Why are they friends with him? In the first movie, he's kind of. of an acquaintance of Bill Murray.

And they don't like him. No, nobody likes him. They take him in and do experiments on him. That's it. He's a client. And now they're just best buds. Like, did they know no one? Like, there wasn't one client that they helped bust a ghost and he was like, by the way,

I'm a successful lawyer. If you ever get any trouble with this crazy business you have, give me a buzz. You know, it's also bullshit. Just thinking about the Winston thing, everyone's got a couple of gentlemen. jobs when the Ghostbusters break up. Winston's just doing those parties. He doesn't work at the bookstore. He doesn't own a bookstore. He doesn't have a TV show. He's not a scientist.

Yeah. Does he say something? Because I noticed in the beginning, right after the party, it's like a Woody Allen scene where, like, him and Stan's are just like talking about what you're doing for a living. Where are you going to get your pizza tonight and shit like that? And I think he says something about a job there because I hope he does. I just hope for his own sake. Well, all I know is he's just like, no.

Please, no more birthday parties. You said it would be the last fucking birthday party. Well, because that's what makes me think it because, like, if this was his only, you know, career, I would think he'd be like, please, more of the parties. More of the parties. I mean, yeah, who knows? Maybe he's got a construction job or say, you, why bother filling out a fucking story background for her? Who cares about your fourth fucking ghostbuster? It's insane how much he has to.

take a back seat in this movie. It's ridiculous. Why, why would you not ask him to help out with this First Avenue Dig project? Yeah, exactly. I don't even call him for that. He's not allowed to Dana Barrett's apartment for some reason. Yep. I mean, like, I get it, right? The three of them are the parapsychologists, and he's like the working stiff who just gets hired off the street to do all the grunt work of busting these ghosts. But you would imagine in the five years since, you know, He's joined the team. He's maybe learned a little bit of, you know, the different terms for ghosts, how to use all the gizmos and doodads. Like, Winston can work his way around a Gagameter.

Fucking come on, everybody. He's like Jesse Pinkman. He learns how to do meth from Walter White. You know what I mean? Like, he learns by doing it. Exactly right. Why would you not call him? I mean, maybe he's the guy that kind of does have a sweet job.

And they're like, hey, Winston, you want to come with us? we're going to dig a hole in the middle of the street and he's like i have obligations and responsibilities maybe winston's got like a family of five back in brooklyn that we don't know about you could have a family of 12 i have no fucking clue he might as well but bill but uh peter vankman is not related to a child that we see him raise so so very important so scleri brothers like the the judge uh you know they they get the judges drop the charges in order to fight these monsters. That's one

of the jokes that it actually kind of hits is when you know he says something something they'd be when Rick Aranis says they'd be exposing themselves and you know the gag of it you don't want us exposing ourselves. The joke that works

funny joke. There are some jokes. It's one and you know maybe a handful of jokes that are told in this movie that actually fly. What? In the Ghostbusters world it kind of the go and we kind of hit on this the rancor like why are the

Scolary brothers so monstrous looking like that later there's that jogger goes who's just a dude who's just a guy yeah a guy goes and these guys are like eight feet tall they're like they look like Jim Henson design them I mean maybe it's a thing where like the more you toil

on this like you know in like middle ground between hell and earth you just start to start to deform or just Yet Vigo looks fucking great. Yeah. You know, considering that he's thousands of years old, he looks totally fine. Most of those Titanic survivors look fine.

Yeah. Don't even get me fucking started about that gag. One of the problems with this movie is we basically see all this, this, this ghostbustering through like montages. Yep. And we're just fast forwarding through that stuff. Which do you want? Exactly. Do you remember how long it took to capture slimer in the first movie?

That hotel sequence is like, 15 minutes. It's the ballroom. It's the all the other rooms. It's the hallways. Because guess what? Catching Ghost is hard. And it's exciting and it's interesting. I don't want to watch the research and the fucking watch the

fucking toaster dance. Man, that's stupid. It's really stupid. The toaster really likes Jackie Wilson. Shut the fuck up. It's so stupid. Because let's lay out the slime thing. The slime thing, to your point, Bill Murray, yes, there's too much slime in

this movie. And the slime, you know, if it's, uh, if you're, there's positive energy, it makes everybody happy. If there's negative energy, it makes everybody mad. And guess what? It's New York City and everyone's mad all the time. And it's just the, God given right to treat people like dirt. It's the, it's that 1970s fucking time square drawing, New York version. Hey, hey, so what the fuck you talk about? Oh God, though. Fuck you. Get out of the fucking street, moron. Oh, this pink slime's making me so fucking. I agree. Sounds like this podcast with all that

the toilet talk. Well, look, and that's a thing that's come up from time to time, right? I mean, we're just quintessential New York assholes. That's the thing. That's what we do. And the mayor is fucking right about it. If you want to be rude and call someone a fucking moron because they

almost ran you over in the crosswalk, which I did today, it's fine. That's what you're allowed to do. Guys, do you think that that pink slime over there by be affecting our mood? Do you think we would like Ghostbusters, too? If not for that pink slime? It's the other

way around. It's all the bad vibes are making it grow and grow and grow. Yeah. You know, so that's why we make it the thing. Yeah, so that's why they're saying, you know, Winston's talking about bad vibes to the mayor and all that stuff.

Like, that's why they're trying to get everybody to fucking sing and hold hands at the end. Listen to Jackie Wilson. In a movie called Ghostbusters. I want Ghostbusters. I don't want a big... Get me the Ghostbusters. But it's the Ghostbusters.

I don't want to hear another thing about how New York has to take a chill pill or whatever the fuck. Oh, my God. That's what they're trying. They've been trying to shove it down our throat for years. Yeah, by the way, two screenwriters who've been living in California since 1982 is trying to tell somebody that they got a problem with the way New York. York behaves. Thanks guys. Got the message. Maybe that's the platform that like Giuliani ran on. You know, he was like, yeah, did everybody see that ghostbusters too? So everybody's being really mean to each other. We should just kind of try to clean up the streets.

Starting with you, Times Square prostitutes. Oh, my God. Kill you by the dozens. Yeah, he just sent them to Siberia, by the way. Where did the hookers go? just pushed them and pushed them until they went in the river. I just imagine that being the end of the the Thai magazine end of the year issue

is where did the hookers go? It's a picture of a barren time square. Tonight on unsolved mysteries a thousand prostitutes disappear from New York City. Also a mint coat

comes alive and kills some people. Don't check my trunk. Can both you do your Giuliani voices again real quick? Just to each other? No, no, Chris and Andrew. Well, I was just kind of doing a thing where you, because it's kind of got just that Lisp going on there. All the homeless, too.

Oh, my God. Rudolph Giuliani and Mike Tyson are talking to each other. I believe everything President George Bush did during 9-11 was the spectacular. But the property damage. Can we talk about, and this is a thing that, really terrible. The soundtrack to this motion picture. Oh, my God. Every other song has the word ghostbusters in it. It's amazing. And every other song is sung by Bobby Brown. Why? Because they got in trouble last time with Ray Parker Jr. They're like, let's find another

cracked out drug addled R&B artist that won't give us a hard time. They bought a lot of stock at Bobby Brown in this movie. He's got some lines. Oh, hey, yo, the Ghostbusters. Can I get one of those proton packs from my little cousin? Get the fuck out of here. It's a nuclear reactor. The negative energy went through the roof. Bobby Brown, that's why the pink slimes are in. Well, I mean, don't discount him. The guy had to make

a rap song with Vigo and Carpathian in it. Yep, and I think it was actually Babyface who wrote the song that he just sang. Speaking of Vigo, one of my favorite lines Vigo has about his life in Carpathia. Vigo, the Carpathian, the high school years. He talks about how he has a throne of blood.

That is not going to be sturdy, right? Could you imagine trying to sit on it? I keep falling through my throne of blood. Freeze it. Freeze it. I kind of imagine it like that shitty like blood connect. When Stephen Dorff gets killed at the end of blade, that shitty like blood can.

connecting thing, like when he comes back down. You want to love, I think this is not the first time you brought up Steven Dorff's death at the end of the time. What's an anniversary show? We've got to play out all the hits. Yeah, you're right. We're dragging out all the old bits. Actually, I was asked to write something for BFI Classics.

On just specifically that scene. On the end of Blade. The last 12 minutes of plate. Well, I could write something about the whole film. No, no. Just the last 12 minutes will be fine for the BFI. By the way, it's not just, he's not even Carpathian, but he's also the scourge of Moldavia, too. He's a little border jumping. Yeah, because he like conquered Moldovia.

Yeah. Good for him. That's something. Can we also talk about something that happens in the, in the toaster dancing scene? Because, God, that's a thing that you can just say because of this movie. That happens. That's one of those days Bill Murray had to be talked out of his trailer, right? It's like, come on, Bill, we're doing it.

doing the toaster scene again. Bill, you don't even have to say anything. Just be there. Just hang out. Yes, about the toaster scene. The one thing that happens in it, and it just strikes an unsettling nerve. I think I might know where you're going with this. Is when Egon.

Yep. Come on, do it. Hints that he fucked the slime. Yeah, they're sticking their dick. Both of them. Both of them. And that's not hinted. It's directly said.

Yeah, that's not subtle. Well, sleeped with I slept with Are you sleeping with the slime? No, because it's 1989 and everyone's still just saying Oh, you slept with her? Like you fucked her.

They're sticking their dick in that slime bucket. They say, you old hound. As if he just like ran through a couple cheerleader or something. You fucked a substance. Well, you know, it's not like he destroyed the evidence. I suppose. Well, it's definitely contaminated it. Yes.

Because that shit is mixed in now, because I didn't see no cream rise of the top. No, no, no, Lord in heaven. You might be right, though. If this slime has a thought. This should go to, this should go to SVU because if the slime has emotions, can it consent? Can it not consent? It's a thing. With those little hands it had in the river, what's going on with that?

Is it given handies or is it ripping? Like, I think this slime should defend itself. Dude, I would just love, like, Dan Aykroyd's, like, holding it, and he's like, all right, Iggy, we're going to do this, right? We're going to do this. And the name of science. The fucking slime's just bubbling, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, put up, put on Jackie Wilson. He loves it. Your love.

Taking me higher. It's like, like, pulp fiction. Higher and higher. And the slime is just summoning ghost. be like fight them kill them for me I mean gurgle gurgle that's the other thing that I don't understand just with regard

to this soundtrack so in the toaster scene it's Jackie Wilson higher and higher great tune the end of the movie it's Howard Huntsbury's doing a cover of it and I'm like how many fucking versions of this song did the Ghostbusters have on tape yeah the Ghostbusters themselves just have

lie it around the house it just doesn't make any sense just use the song again why are you paying for another version of it was probably mastered in a better studio you got more of like the amplification you know what guys the Hansberry cut will work better when trying to make the statue of liberty

come to life just really can we talk about the bullshit of all of Peter McNichols powers yep and he is the cellophane S Superman

You know what I mean? Like, he can do anything he wants. It makes no sense. He turns into a ghost of an old lady at some point. Why? Now, I'm picturing it's Vigo that's really controlling the, you know, behind the scenes. And Vigo is making him dress up as an old woman, right? Like forcing it.

Like, no, you put up. You're going to dress like the nanny from the omen. And I'm going to, what, fly your soul with a. ghost baby carriage become a phantasm i don't like it makes no sense and then he's alive like you'd be cool if like he killed him and then he made he's a ghost for the rest like he's a ghostly renfield yeah yeah make him a ghost how cool is that but he also has light beams why all of a sudden yeah he becomes a fucking car it's with with headlights it's because he's uh he's a former resident of carpathia is that why he gets like special power

I mean, I don't, I guess he's just the servant, but it's so ridiculous. It's supposed to be just a Renfield, like, and I would have liked that if that's just it. And he does, like, slimy shit to get her, you know, where she ends up at the end of this. Well, Dan Aykroyd and, and, and, and, uh, Egon there are the ones doing the slimy shit. Well, it's true. Harold Rame is getting his hands dirty in this movie. What we call the heavy lifting. Ray stands on Craigslist, M for M.

what kind of slime you got I was just like if it was like a missed connection I saw you at the bottom of the NQ line you were near the third rail and I looked at you for like five minutes and you didn't say anything you just gurgled at me

a rat ran through you and you trembled a little bit that slippery brown green devil you speaking of slime of course because it's The late 80s, the cartoon,

one of the reasons this movie was made, I read that, like, nobody wanted to do it, really, but they were pressured by boatloads of money. That cartoon was exploding, though. That was the thing, is the cartoon was so enormous they had to answer. Like, you have to make another movie. I mean, granted, they could have just walked away from it,

but, and the biggest thing on that cartoon is fucking slimer. So he has to, he's got a couple of bits in this movie, and none of them work. Because clearly, like, Harold Ramos and, Dan Aykroyd wanted nothing to do with that. You know what I mean? Like it was like a one-note joke. We were done with it. And they had to like write some slimer jokes.

And speaking of another person who got a new job. He's now a bus driver. The years intervening. Everyone everyone really fucking reapplied themselves. Everyone took a long hard look in the mirror and said something's wrong. Maybe he's just the ghost of Ralph Cramden.

In the first movie he was meeting Alice down at the big, all the big witsy the raccoon lodge yeah there's also a series of because we see is the first time

we see slimer in this movie when he's driving the bus no it's before that I want to say well because there's a there's a again because this movie is

just a sea of deleted segments there was a running gag where Lewis Tully was like trying to capture him to like prove that he was a ghostbuster

so there's all these different situations including one where like he pretends to order a pizza and he's like oh wow how am i going to eat this whole pizza by myself because that was the conceived of the cartoon is like he was their food you know food hound pet that they know i'd rather have that sequence because at least someone even though it's a bad way to ghost bust someone is trying ghost busting i would like slimer to be like the deep throat of the he's the one who's got he knows all the ex like he knows all the ghost exes

files. Yeah, he's got all the answers. Yeah, I want that. That's what I want. That cartoon was in love with that little fucker, though. It really was. It was called Slimer and the Ghostbusters for a while. They changed the fucking name of the cartoon. Like, just in case you weren't sure if you were going to see Slimer today. There's like an episode. I remember an episode of the cartoon where slimer like goes in the containment unit and you see like that world, which it's just a weird like sky heaven thing and there's all these ghosts that they keep running into. And they all hate him because he's like, he's like, fucking, he is like kind of an informant, they're like, hey pussy. You like being with the Ghostbusters So that's why I got 20, I got I got life in here. Or ghost or life or whatever.

Eternity. Eternity would be the thing. Hey, uh, two words. Kurt Fuller. Man, downgrade from William Atherton. Yep. Yep. And that's the, that's the, that's the, I like Kurt Fuller. Don't get me wrong. I do too.

Yeah. Kurt Fuller's a very funny comedian. There's no reason to have that exact character again. Well, that's the thing. It's just let's let's take the plot of the first movie and we'll just change shit enough like people's professions

and, you know, scrape off all the funny and let's do it again. You know, we're going to get a oh no, we can't do a stay puffed marshmallow man again. What else is big in New York? Oh yeah, the Statue of Liberty. We'll make that walk around. How about the Bob's big boys

a sidekick? I mean, the Statue of Liberty walking in this movie is one of the laziest, most uncreative fucking things. Like, really, another 100-foot thing is walking through the streets of Manhattan at the end of your movie? And I know it's really stupid to sit here and complain about the realism of a movie called Ghostbusters 2. But that is a statue in the shape of a woman. It's not built with the joints that would enable it to move. No matter what you do. due to it.

Also, I kind of love the idea, the point when she's, like, walking on the bottom of the, of the river there, the sound, and that she has to, like, they don't show the scene where she has to, like, pick herself up, like, out of a pool to get up, you know what I mean? Like, on to the island. How are they doing that? No ladder. I mean, again, the property damage. My God. Like, these people are cheering. The weight of that would just be cracking the sidewalk open.

And guess what? That is a huge national landmark. You're not just messing with the city of New York now. You are going to Guantanamo Bay. Everyone's cheering the Statue of Liberty on instead of running the turn. I would be a wharf! Why is that beloved statue alive? We're in the middle of our second Ghostpocalypse in five years,

and the Statue of Liberty shows up. Get the fuck out of here. I'm moving to the sticks. Oh, yeah, totally. I'm done with this big city living. This is two ghostpocalypse is too many. also a thing that's garbage is and this is it's it's not a movie meant for people to be you know new york sticklers about it but the building that they use to be the museum is a building

it's like a native american museum it's downtown right behind the battery it's like fucking 20 feet from the water she wouldn't have to walk all the way down the street like what happens in this movie i'll let it go but here's what i won't let go so they have the Statue of Liberty. Like the torch explodes and all of a sudden there's fire there and it's a real torch. Whatever. Oh, by the way, it's being controlled by a fucking Nintendo game pad. How's that hooked in? Who gives a shit? But this torch smashes down through the slime shell over the museum, right? And that's how the Ghostbusters like repel in. And you see the Statue of Liberty like her face is there and she's looking in like, you know, what's going on in here? Says the Statue of Liberty. End of the movie. The Ghostbusters walk out of the museum. The statue has somehow fallen down in the street oh did it really yeah the statue of liberty's laying there when they walk out like you can see the head i'm like where was that huge explosion sound good look with that new york state have fun we can't even see this why would you not have this be a scene in your movie the ghostbusters are given the key to the city they're on liberty

island the statue's been restored it must be four years later i mean come on or do they just slime it again. I'm like, no, we'll walk it back. Come on. Dane a Baird is now a senator. It needed a scene where when it was laying on the ground and like pink slime was coming out of its nose and stuff. Mommy, why is it bleeding?

I just don't appreciate also going along with making this thing walk. The fucking the spunk guns that they have in this movie, you see Egon working on the slime shooter earlier in the movie, right? Why?

You have a proton pack, Egon? Because it's for his sex chamber or something. Like, I don't, there's no other real explanation. It's just like to put you in this room and cover you in this. For some reason, it's an experiment for science.

I'm really just trying to see how the room feels. No, quiet. Quiet. I'm going to spray you on me. But that's what's happening tonight. You're going to get sprayed on me. you don't need a fucking slime box to do that anyway but unless egon can predict the future a future where he sees the two of them shooting the statue of liberty with this shit there's no feasible reason that he would have to concoct this device it's it's backwards logic it's just for the sake of gadgets like oh remember how cool it was when we were introduced to the proton packs in the first movie

We got to be introduced to something else in this movie. It's toys. It's How to Sell Toys. Yeah, you're right. Yep, you're right. The biggest, you want to talk about plot holes and things that don't make sense, but only make sense if this is a movie? Why in the fuck do they change the Ghostbuster symbol to have a two on it?

Unless this is Ghostbusters 2. Unless we're actually in the sequel of Ghostbusters 2, what two was? It's like, hey, you know how the ghosts are always like trying to get peace with? us humans. Fuck that. Red line. No, no. That's the, it's the whole thing. It's like, peace out. Be calm. Be cool, man. Just everybody just chill out, man. Cover yourself in some mood slime and just have a Saturday. It's a ghost with a joint. Big X through it. No. I just don't understand that. Unless it was a thing where they're like, listen, guys, you know, we're franchising. We're going to open another fire department uptown. You know, we already bought a house in

Harlem. That's going to be Ghostbusters, too. That'll be their uniforms. You know what I mean? You're right. It makes no goddamn sense. One of my bigger problems with this movie, on the whole, though, is a Vankman in general. Because whereas

you had this good back and forth, and Vankman was kind of getting his in the first one. He gets slimed. He's kind of surprised by a few things. And in this movie... And in Bair, it makes fun of him the entire time, and it works really well. And it's a good... They have good rapport with each other. It's very funny

and it's warm and charming. This, it just vacillates between Baby Gaga bullshit and like the most cynical asshole. Like, it's so bad. When he's in the court, I wanted to mention this in the court, he refers to

the female prosecutor, the woman who could have his head on a stick, refers to her as kitten. Oh, yeah. It's outrageous. yeah it's pretty out there it's not courtroom appropriate i mean it's just there's a difference between like funny vankman and asshole vankman yep and it's way more asshole vankman in this movie like you think back to the scene in the first movie where um he goes to check out her apartment initially and he's

got the gadget with him and he like you know tickles the ivories there and he's like they hate that and like he's clearly flirting with her and everything they try recreating that scene in his totally fantastic Soho loft apartment, by the way. By the way, everyone, I guess, got sued by the city, but still remained millionaires to open up bookstores that live in Soho and God knows what. Which makes no sense because Vankman tells Fuller that they got stiffed on the bill.

Yeah, they didn't get paid by the city for the job. How, like things were cheaper back then, I guess. I mean, you know, 1989, you kind of didn't want to live in Soho that much. I mean, you could and people did, but it wasn't like it is. now with the stores and everything so maybe but this place is fucking fantastic oh williams and sonoma wasn't around your corner back then no no no no no but you know he's just got this

public access TV show that's not keeping the lights on she has no like you know bounce back rapport with him she doesn't want to be with him until like the last scene they have together and then she's just like oh bring me to bed hey uh bring me to bed And, like, it goes through, like, the first thing he does to try to woo her, by the way, is he takes her cello and starts playing it, like, the big bass. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

I don't know why I remember that those are the notes, but that's what he plays. Oh, oh, look at you. I've seen this movie a hundred fucking times. I enjoy when the Ghostbusters get committed in this movie. And Dr. Brian Doyle Murray is there talking to them. Which is a nice, nice little thing. It's funny, like, Bill Murray's heads down during the entire scene. Yeah.

Is that to, like, avoid similarities in their faces? They just doesn't want the camera to see them. I mean, they do have, like, an exchange towards the end of the scene. It's kind of nice to see them act off each other and everything. I think that's more just because, like, it was probably late at night. They're trying to, like, shoot the scene, and Bill Murray had had enough of the Ghostbusters 2. I love when they get arrested because they come after they go to the river of slime, they go and the like Winston fucking Winston Egon and Ray go into go bust up Pete's big date like the little rascals in their long johns and start jibber jabbing everyone and they all get arrested and it's it's just it doesn't it doesn't fit any of the characters they go they it's again we're having another conversation with the mayor trying to explain to him why a big emergency is about to happen and the mayor's not buying it even though five years ago.

during the mayor's first term in office, the fucking world almost ended, and the Ghostbusters convinced him that paranormal things happened. Not to be on my Winston tip too much, but why is Winston only a Ghostbuster when they get arrested? But why is that the only time he's just as much of a Ghostbusters? Winston did it. Yeah, as the rest of them.

Most of his dialogue is in jail. You know what? Here's a thing that I noted watching this movie last night, okay? when they go and have this mirror scene with the mayor from the first movie in the first movie there's a thing like where he talks to the mayor and he's like Winston Zedamore your honor

I only started with the company a few weeks ago or whatever right? This movie okay you know he goes Mr. Mayor Winston Zedimore nice to see you again and the mayor doesn't shake his hand and I looked there wasn't

any slime on that hand anymore no yeah he was in his long john but you know what he'd washed his hands thanks a lot mr mayor you just lost a whole lot of votes there is a funny line where they where bill murray says something about uh in the last election almost 50% of us voted for you it's just one of those nice jokes where like there's just the right amount of words yeah well i think that's why in certain scenes like the when they go in like bill murray is kind of like trying to you know be in the back of the scene so he's He's like, Ernie, take the scene.

Yeah, you just do it. You know what? Take this scene, please. Hey, the most out of place sequence in this movie, a bunch of bloody horrifying severed heads. What are you even doing? That's a problem with this movie is it's what we've been saying. But like, yeah, there's less comedy, but what they try to amp up more of is the horror side of it. Wrong.

I don't need fucking heads on spikes. Like, what are you talking about? They amp up everything else. Like, try something. The romance plot is big here. Yep. These horror things are happening. The villain who gives a shit.

The villain, yeah, he's all throughout this movie, unlike Gozer. It's all over, it's suffocating any community room. And, like, this is like a scene out of Cannibal Holocaust. Like, it makes no sense in this goobbly gobbly, like, ooh, there's a slimmer. Like, it's who gives a shit? And here's the other thing. So they're walking through this tunnel, right? Going back to try to find the river of slime that they already know.

where it is right and the whole what they're surmising is like Vigo is trying to stop them so it's like the heads tries to scare him off Winston goes through the tunnel the ghost train happens and they're like oh we must be close

he's trying to mess with us or whatever why doesn't he do that the first time when they're digging a hole above his slime layer is that what the hands out of the slime might have been I don't know but he doesn't the guy existed

in a time where he doesn't know he's never seen a train in person. Yeah, how does he know the ins and outs of New York City? They also, by the way... It's a country. I've been existed for hundreds of years. I've traveled all around this city. I went to the

Met, the MoMA. They didn't let me in the Guggenheim. The Whitney was very nice. My relative told me all about it. He's graffiti. They make some remark. I think it's Sigourney Weaver's got the line that the painting is out

but it's been in storage so like what is the story that's another thing by the way why not a shot of like this painting is mysteriously delivered to the museum like oh this isn't on the registry what's going on no it's just been in the basement since the first movie I guess

whatever he's just been waiting and there's also something about he keeps saying like I'm going to usher usher in the new millennium this stuff, the other thing, it's 1989. What are you even talking about? And why not give the guy, the actor, the guy who's playing Vigor, I don't know the guy's name, I just know that he was one of the guys

from Diehardt. Well, Max von Saito does the voice, by the way. Yeah, which is a cool thing. Van Sidoido does, but the face is the guy from Diehardt. Yeah, and Chris, he was also one of the nefarious pimps in Strozek. Oh, yeah, he was. Holy shit. Yeah, it's amazing. Werner Herzog, Strozak, everyone. What a great movie.

Just like a floating head on a fucking, like, really? You don't want to let him just walk around like a normal ghost? Why not have him walk? Like, I get, he's from a painting. He mostly exists in a painting. Have him walking around the museum at night or something. You know, like have something kind of creepy happen. So that Ben Stiller can find him.

I love Ben Stiller and fucking Robin Teddy Roosevelt Williams. Oh. I would love it if, like, it turned into a real kind of non-at-museum thing or, like, one of those old Looney Tunes cartoons where, like, the Mona Lisa's there and she ducks, you know? Oh, man. Dude, man, Vigo, putting, like, the serious moves on the Mona Lisa. Sign me up. That'd be crazy. Would you like to sit on my throne of blood, Lisa?

No. Stayed out too late with the scream last night. Hey, by the way, speaking of Vigo and how he possesses Peter McNichael, why is Dan Aykroyd getting possessed by Vigo in a completely different way? Peter McNichael possessed by a bunch of force lightning going into his eyeballs. Dan Aykroy just stares at it and drools a little on the floor. Because Peter McNichael is of Carpathian blood. And Dan Aykroyd is just a Canadian mongrel.

I will try and possess what little of your Canadian pig brain there is. It just, and, you know, supposedly, again, by the way, there's a whole deleted sequence where right after the possession happens, they get in the car and Dan Aykroyd's like flipping out and he drives the Ecto one like all through the streets like dangerously and. all this shit. We only see a little bit of that in the montage and it's just played for laughs. There's a shot of Bill Murray being like whoa, wacky driving. Why would you cut that out? This movie's not that long and you're cutting out

interesting things. Or just cramming it into montage. They must have cut Dan Aykroyd's blowjob completely out of this movie. There's absolutely towards the end the Ghostbusters get their own little blow job in the form of a

painting. That's sanctifies. When Vigo eventually is destroyed, his painting is re-born as, like, the Ghostbusters. How? How, why? What? Magic. Who did that?

All sorts of bullshit magic. Hey, here's the other thing. Did that magic change the canvas size? Because it's totally not as big as a fucking Vigo painting. How'd you screw that up? Well, who gives a shit? It's only a multi-million dollar movie production. Why be accurate with anything?

Should we talk about how Vigo is, like Vigo's end game here? of the big baby Oscar. They finally get that kid into the museum, right, with Ben Stiller and Sigourney Weaver. And it's really, I feel like it's really, like, just because Vigo was trapped in that painting so much

and talking a big fucking game. Oh, yeah. Church of Moldavia. Yeah, I've heard that one before. Oh, command me, Lord. There's a little Apu there. Sorry about that. And then when he finally manifests in the flesh, it's just like, oh, no, I'm being hurt by slimes. Yeah, he did.

By slimes. Oh, no, the slimes. No, he's fucking the Grinch at the end. He's like, they're singing hurts me. It's just like, dude, you know what? You hear old Langs-on enough fucking times. It'll really make your ears bleed. So he's like, he needs to, like, go into the baby by, like, New Year's Eve or whatever.

For some reason. In order to like, usher in the new era of me being a baby. Why a baby? It doesn't even make sense because it's like you think about it. It's 1989, right? Right. He's going to go into a baby. They say that the baby's like eight months old.

By the time, like, and then he's talking about blah, blah, blah, blah, the new millennium. So like 2000 or, you know, if you're being a stickler, 2001, right? So the baby then would be like 12. I mean, yeah. Maybe he's got a different calendar. What, he's going to be fucking King Joffrey, just this little baby king? Yeah. It's weird because he has like this really, like a weird sensitive reading when he's like,

and mother to me. Oh, yeah. So like Peter, he's into it, by the way. Don't worry about it. And guess what? Vigo breastfeeds. Yeah, count on that. So like his face is like morphing into the baby's face.

And like at this point, Sigourney Weaver's. now tied up with it's a vacuum cleaner It's just vacuum cleaner tubes come down like a bad episode of Doctor Who Like that's like, oh no the tube monsters And these fucking things come down

And the tube monsters I've commanded them And the whole Carpathian tube monsters Pulled from our Carpathian vacuum cleaners The only export Of my native land Not vacuum cleaners

but just the tubes and the whole room is filled with candles like it's the fucking wrapped around your finger music video and stings just dancing well i want to see that right where peter mickle's setting up this domino line of candles oh they keep falling how great would it be of it at the end of the movie the ghostbusters fail and like you know vigo gets into the solo the baby and then uh peter mackle winks with Sigourney Weaver and she's like, what, why? And then he just breaks the baby's neck and he's like, it's the only way I had to weaken him. I just, I had to do it. I was,

I was undercover the whole time. That would be amazing. You know what? I would instantly love the movie. Mandy Patinkin comes on and just said, you've done good. Had to be done. He's just, he's got a red blood. I'm CIA. My real name's John Harchuk.

I've been working at this museum for years. just to establish my cover. Did you know that the country of Carpathia is completely made up? I actually even drew the flag. It's not even a real flag. I would love the CIA had like an undercover like art world slash supernatural realm division. They would have to. Sounds a little RIPD to me.

At this point they would have to. Yeah, the ghosts exist. It's true. The X-Files exist. There has to be somebody's a governmental agency was born out of what happened. Hellboy showed up and they took care of it. Man, Hellboy working in tandem with the Ghostbusters. You know the most exciting thing that Ernie Hudson does in this movie?

He breaks down a door and uses a fire extinguisher. The scene where the two of them get locked in the dark room because the ghost doesn't like getting his picture taken. Another thing about Ernie Hudson here. When the ghost train, which looks like a train that, Daniel Plainview got on not a subway train they like

they bail out leaving Ernie Hudson to get hit by the ghost locomotive sure do you can just grab your buddy Winston and be like hey Winston this ghost locomotive's coming because you're my colleague and friend I don't want you to die yeah you know what Ernie Hudson let's try it you should just try it you should just not work there

what the science says let's try it let's let's let's see them in front of that ghost see what happens you're right though that it is just like a solid like coal burning train that's actually one of the one of the few lines uh that i got a laugh of was when you know he's like oh what did the train look like this train he's like i missed it which is very funny yeah that was the one that always got me the one that i really like is when uh it's probably an adler it's like suck at the guts boys with the ghost busters yeah you know at the end of the

day it's mostly Bill Murray's lines. I think this is a testament to how much of a genius he is. It's a movie that he clearly doesn't give a shit about being in. He's unhappy being on the set, every waking moment. But yet he still has the best jokes of the movie. Hands down, just still has the best jokes.

He's yours, Ray. Sick him. When Egon goes, I'd like to run some gynecological tests on the mother, and he goes, well, who wouldn't? Also, Egon, yeah, get the fuck out of here. You're going to run gynecological tests. You're a ghostbuster. Excuse me.

And a slime rapist. And a room feeler. Room feeler. Well, the funny, the weird thing is one of those things like you never got when you're a kid, but I looked it up on Wikipedia. Is when Vancomen busts is busting Egon's balls about like, oh, you know, you've got that hot little lab assistant or something. He's like, she must be interested in your, I don't even know what he, what Vancomen says. He's like, actually, she's interested in my epididymis. Epidimus, by the way,

are the tubes that connect the testes to the vaster friends. That's fucking weird, Egon. You're a weird dude. It's a weird thing to say. Egon. It's a weird thing to say. Dead ringers.

Just fucking all sorts of slime. A couple of odd cameos in the mayor's office. Police commissioner Philip Baker Hall and mayoral office analyst Ben Stein. just there. That's weird. And also Harbor

Watchman Cheech Marin. Speaking of which, that reminded me of another, there's some cheap editing going on in this movie. So there's the dumb thing where everybody's going crazy. That dumb song Flip City's playing. And the cops like,

the Titanic just arrived. And there's Cheech Marin and some dude. And he's like, oh, bitter late than never. You know, later in the movie, like the last thing you see Cheech Maren and this dude, like, just staring like deer in the headlights at the Titanic ghost ship. Later in the movie, when the Statue of Liberty is walking down the street or walking through the harbor, they just cut back to the very same shot of the two of them just staring. So cheap.

Where's your line for that? Like, Oh, Lady Liberty. Like anything. Say anything, Cheech Maren. Why are you in this movie? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's that line they cut, actually. And it's like, well, how the fuck does that work?

Apparently, that was supposed to be, instead of the Titanic, was the Hindenberg. They were supposed to... Too soon, you think? I think it was too soon. The Titanic edged it out a little bit. Maybe, I mean, that's the thing is, like, people think about the Hindenberg, they don't realize that it was, well, a Zeppelin from Nazi Germany. So perhaps showing swastikas flying over Manhattan may not be the best I guess. Now, I can see where you're coming from.

You know what? It's just a warning. Don't get me wrong. Listen, listen. It's just a warning of what might have been. If we hadn't figured it out. Yeah. It's true.

And also Vigo would have probably liked, like, like the hind end of the... Interesting ideas. When, uh, when, uh, when Vigo uses his, uh, force lightning breath on them. Oh, and they're all. all like paralyzed yeah when vankman's talking shit you'd be living the sweet life in the beautiful San Fernando Valley don't need to remember that he says that

and then Vigo just burps and they all get paralyzed again they're all checking on each other right and they're like Egon you okay yeah Ray yeah Vankman no one's asking how Winston's doing because that would give him something to say in this movie which is not allowed that would also make

him like a human do you think like somebody they care and have empathy yeah do you think Ernie Hatsu was on set like guys can i just you see this line right here where dan asks what time it is can i just ask no no no it's still

it's technically still the 80s and you're black we're like you're not eddie murphy listen when uh there's that scene where ray and egon are trying to figure out what to have for dinner can i maybe suggest a food that Winston might like to order

no well that's the problem the first movie he's got stuff to do because he's He's, like, our eyes for a little bit like... He also has an iconic line. He does. He loves this town. I love this town. It's a big...

It's a big... About the Twinkie. We've got the tools. We've got the talent. I mean, he was... Honestly, he's a good character in that first movie. In the first movie, like, there's that thing, like, oh, they wanted Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy would have been terrible in that rule.

It would have been awful. It would have been just way too many, like, comedy joke jokes. Too many chefs in the kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great straight man. You know what I mean? Like, he gives people great looks.

And, like, he's involved. This movie is just like, I guess he's in the cartoon, right? Yeah, let's have him back. The perfect example, by the way, of a line that Eddie Murphy would have butchered versus Ernie Hudson totally kills it is when he's talking to the mayor in that first movie. And he says, I've seen shit that'll turn you white. Imagine, like, the animated fiasco Eddie Murphy would have turned that line into, right? And, like, Ernie Hudson just gets right in his face and says it exactly how he should and the joke totally plays. Eddie Murphy would have ruined that.

It's good casting. He's a good actor. Why have him back in this movie if you're not going to use him? It makes no goddamn sense. Oh, Winston was killed in a car accident four years ago. Sorry, everybody. We wish this movie started four years later, but it's five years later, and he's been dead. Then his ghost could be a hostage of Vigo.

I found your friend. Oh, yeah, you could keep him. He's not really our friend. He's kind of an associate. He's kind of our employee. It could be like Jamie Kennedy in Scream 3. He comes back and he tells him about Vigo. He's been in the ghost world.

He knows Vigo. I've been talking to some ghosts around the water cooler. Apparently he was drawing quartered. That never happens anymore. So also, speaking of I love this town, right? That's like, I love this town. Kick in the Ghostbusters theme song. But a bing, but a boom, we're out.

This is like, well, all right, there's that painting. That's cool. And they all look out. They're like, ooh, it looks like early. Renaissance. Maybe Donatello or, you know... Maybe Donna Bullshit. Yeah, seriously. It looks like some fucking art school flunky painted Harold Ramos with pecks. Yeah, you think Harold Ramos was like, uh, went up those pecks a little bit there?

Flab up Akroyd. Just like 15%. I think Akroyd's one of the ones that's just got like a toga over him. Because you could kind of fake the funk with Egun, Spangler's physique, race dance. But we all know the slime has seen this. true flab it's a copious chin on acroyd is what I'm just saying it'd be creative at the end of the movie

it's like they all turn into painting and it's it's Dana Barrett the baby egon Egon Peter Akroyd and then fucking Rick Moranis and it's just like really

Winston's like way in the back like standing on a hill Egon's holding the slime like oh guys I didn't make the painting no you're there no look you're there where you belong it's called perspective

yeah you give the painting depth you're the most important part of the painting it wouldn't work without you yeah yeah yeah the painting would be a total flop if we didn't have you standing 300 yards away on a hill

you have your own story don't worry about it and that's Ghostbusters too It literally just ends. There's no, I love this town line. There's nothing. It's over with. Everyone's singing outside.

It's the new year. The mayor is walking around without any kind of a detail after a huge emergency. Kurt Fuller got fired earlier on. Yeah, but he's just singing with everybody because why not? He kind of turns into his character at the end of Wayne's world. Yeah, I love you, man. No. I love you, man.

Yeah, it is. Because everybody's just loving everybody. And apparently, the Ghostbusters fixed New York's biggest problem, which was getting in your fucking face. The bad attitudes. Yep, yeah. All the bad vibes, man. They're gone.

Yeah. They're just gone. And I guess people remember that ghosts really do exist because there was a ghost 11 about five years ago. And now there's another ghost 11. And maybe this time they'll be like, oh, wait, you know, maybe we need a lot of ghost busters. Let's have like an army of ghost busters. Yeah, exactly. And the office of Ghostland Security was born.

I mean, because there's got to be West Coast ghosts, you know, Middle America goes, Great White North goes. School spirits, the whole gamut. I think it's a state thing. I think it's, you know, the NYGD. Yeah, yeah, it's state-run organizations. I think that's what you're doing. Winston goes out to, like, New Jersey, where they appreciate him a little bit more. He runs that ghost office.

They start seeing that the New Jersey ghost. The Ghost Department is getting a lot more captures each month than the New York office run by those three scientist idiots. And you know, I'll, you know, we should end the conversation on this. I never want to see a Ghostbusters 3 of any kind. New cast, I don't care. That video game that came out is pretty amazing and it's a good story. And it's like set in the early 90s, which is perfect.

I don't need any more Ghostbusters. I don't, I have the first movie forever. I mean, it's going to happen. I refuse to believe it's not going to have some point. they're doing this fucking thing. It's either a Ghostbusters 3 or Ghostbusters Reboot. It's a reboot. It's more than likely it's a reboot, I'm telling you. You know what, though? I would rather see a reboot

than I would see these guys do it again. Because if they didn't care in 1989, or 1989, they definitely don't give a shit post-2013. As much as I don't want to see it, I'm also not, like, completely, like, if you want to do a 21 Jump Street

type movie with the Ghostbusters, I'm into it. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to laugh. So it's all, like, younger, Like, it's, it would be like, it would be a rogan and Franco and the whole. And then they're also there in some capacity. Yeah. Except for Winston. Maybe only Winston would be nice.

That would be great. He'd finally get his day in the sun. It was just him and then all new people. What happened to the rest of them? Well, they're all dead. They're dead and I busted their ghosts. They're way dead. I also wouldn't like to see a Ghostbusters three.

I just, I don't know. have a need for it and i mean in any capacity really but you know holly weird but you'd prefer a ghostbusters reboot over a ghostbuster i don't know i think i'd prefer a ghostbusters three personally i mean i don't want it i don't want either of them but the i feel like it also depends on how far the reboot would go

because if we're like recasting vankman and stuff like it's vankment didn't college yeah that oh so you're using the same characters and it's like how the ghostbusters got back together. If you just take the idea of Ghostbusters, right? Or honestly, you can make Ghostbusters three take place now in the Ghostbusters future. Maybe all the Ghostbusters are gone. I'm not saying dead, but maybe they're just retired or they don't give a fuck anymore. The closest you see them is a bust or a fucking painting on a wall. I didn't like Winston's training the new cadet.

He's got one patch. He's the last. He has a post-apocalyptic eye patch. Yeah. He's been like ghost busting his own. himself like a vigilante ghostbuster like a murk on the edge of the world for a while like the dark night returns with Winston Zedmore I like that idea that would be great I yeah I kind of agree with Eric a little bit I'd

but I'd just rather the thing that you can't separate from the from the Ghostbusters mythos is that it's it's the 80s you know what I mean and that's the problem with a lot of reboots and reruns and whatever the fuck else and later on in sequels

you forget the air that how important the era of the movie is to the movie. And it's inseparable football for me. It's a real 80s movie and not in a fucking like John Hughes way where it's like capturing youth culture, but no, it's capturing 80s culture in a real fucking way.

Yeah, I don't need to see Venkman with a cell phone or raise on his iPad. Well, no, that would be the issue is that if you're trying to update, that's why I don't want the Ghostbusters 3, because that's the scenes that you would get. Are him using a cell phone on him, what's an iPod? What is this a candy?

like it makes those dumb person yeah well it makes no sense to me to do that kind of thing so if you're going to do it just rethink the whole damn thing do a whole scrape off that's the thing is like at that point just don't do it don't even bother so real quick is anyone recommending ghostbusters too if someone hasn't seen ghost well you've already seen it that's I mean everybody's listening to it obviously already seen it well yeah yeah I feel like if you've never seen it you probably should see it just to see it because, you know, you like Ghostbusters. It's the Ghostbusters.

Bill Murray's in it. Yeah. I haven't just saw it out yet. It's the Ghostbusters. Exactly. And, I mean, I wouldn't recommend this movie necessarily. I don't particularly. This recent review, I was like, whoa, this is a lot more boring than I remember. It's a dull movie.

It loses all steam every single rewatch. It just becomes less and less relevant, less enjoyable. Super chop. By the, yeah, I was practically falling asleep by the time we got to the ghost train. And it's the thing we're like, why, in the age of video, in the age of video that we have, you know, the videotapes we got, in the age of being able to rewatch whatever the fuck you want, why on earth wouldn't you just watch the first movie? Why on earth would you choose between those two and be like, well, I got, there's some value in the second movie. There's none. There's literally no value to it.

There's not. And, you know, like I said, this was a big thing for me. I had to unplug myself from the Matrix. and all of a sudden I woke up in a pod in my own fluid and Lauren's Fishburn helped dry me off. And then you fuck that slime, huh?

You dirty, fuck a little pervert. You fuck that slime, huh? I put on Jackie Wilson and I fucked it. But yeah, it's sadly a terribly boring movie. It's a completely unfunny comedy. And this hasn't been an hour and a half of us being like, it's not,

it just doesn't make me laugh. Like, how can this movie make you laugh? there's no jokes in it well there's a couple there's i mean yeah we've gone over the bill murray lines that work right and the louis tully lines that work i mean they're there but really on the grand scheme of this movie there's no jokes in this movie it's certainly none that you would repeat and the first one all you did was repeat it's that's the thing no one's quoting ghost busters too everyone yeah exactly and some people might be like oh like we're just you know like people are nostalgic for this movie and that's probably why you have a deep love of this movie you actually

look at the critical reception of this movie when it came out, you might be surprised that they sound a little more like us. Ebert and Cis excuse me, Ciskel and Ebert. Yeah, right, Eric. I'll give Ciskel top billing. And then yeah, I mean,

they both hated this movie. They hated it. That video is on YouTube of their review. And it's like, at what, 50% on Rotten Tomatoes? Yeah, it's certified rotten. So, you know what? Here's the thing. Rewatch it and prove to yourself. Watch it through the W.H.M. G. And you'll see. You might not come back.

You won't come back the same person at least. You'll come back a person who doesn't like Ghostbusters too. That's Ghostbusters 2 from 1989, directed of course by Ivan Reitman. If you want to get a hold of us, check out our website, WHM Podcast.com. You can like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter at WHM podcast. You can also write into our mailbag. We all hate movies at gmail.com. Rate and review the show in iTunes or Stitcher or wherever you get the program. And don't forget the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve. By the way, that's stroke of midnight Eastern time. 718-925-3893 international listeners. You can of course just leave us a message on Skype. Blayman on Outer Space is back in action, of course. And I also want to mention

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