We Hate Movies - S7: WHM On-Screen: The 89th Academy Awards

Episode Date: February 24, 2017

On a very special WHM On-Screen, the fellas gather 'round to chat about the upcoming Academy Awards ceremony. The 89th of its kind, the ceremony will be broadcast live this Sunday at 8:30pm Eastern on ABC. Topics covered on this episode include: "Where's Amy Adams," "The Awfulness of Florence Foster Jenkins," "Racist Mel Gibson," and, you guessed it, "Frank Stallone!" Does anybody have an ETA on Nicholson?Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello, everyone, welcome to a very special W.HM on the screen. We're talking about the Academy Awards. Now, what's that? The most magical evening. Now, Chris Cabin, what are you wearing tonight? I'm wearing jeans. So what? It checks out so far.

I've been wearing for the last three days. Yeah, you know what? I've been wearing jeans tonight. Jeans to the ask. I got a shirt on. Wait, remember there was one? It's a laundered shirt, if you must know. There was that, what was the screenwriter for maybe brokeback mountain or something that wore jeans to the ask?

Not the screenwriter. Some guy. I don't know. Some guy wore jeans to the Oscars and it was a big deal. Oh, really? The fashion police almost got it. Well, I mean, the fashion police were still getting over Peter Jackson's attire. Peter Jackson, period.

Yeah, I think that was the weight police. Weren't the South Park guys, like, hilarious and one of them wore like the J-Lo dress? They were both went in drag. And they were on acid. Oh, shit, man. That's really cool. Oh, man. You know what?

You're really sticking it to the establishment, man. So this is indeed going to be on Sunday the 2017 Academy Awards. This is, what is this? The 80s. It's the most magical evening. The 89th Merrill Streep Importance Awards. No, it's the fake illegal 89th Academy Award. Oh, my, we should talk about that.

Let's up front. Let's talk about it. Frank Stallone. No one has ever said up front. All right. Let's address the other room. In a conversation about the Academy Awards. You guessed it.

Frank Stallone. So, Eric, you were the one who turned me on to this. What is Frank Stallone's problem? I think he's just like a crazy Trump guy now. And he's just like an asshole. Yeah, checks out. So his tweet on February 22nd. at 12.49 p.m.

Yeah. All right. So he was just waking up. Yeah. The 89th fake Illegal Academy Awards featuring every leftist actor on one stage so we could view all their stupid drug-induced PC rants. She's Louise. You know, your brother was there literally last year, right?

Frank Stallone. Well, that's what's about, man. It's like, you know what? Mark Rylance walked away with my award. and he gave some PC speech. Frank, you get on there and you fucking troll him, Frank. Frank, hey!

I kind of think that it was, it's like Frank, he's like, I'm with the real actor. Slies, you know, he's off there and been, La La Land. Tootie, fruity La La Land. He said in one of his comments back that he was like talking shit.

He said he's been considered for two Oscars in the back, for both music and acting. I've been fucking considered for two Oscars, Frank Stallone. Actually, he cited one of them was Barfly, which obviously he wouldn't be nominated for that, playing the bartender and Barfly's at nothing part. He doesn't do anything in that movie. The other one is Song for, I don't know, Rocky 2 or something, but the only word he's ever

won was a Razzie. Oh, for what? Barflok. No, I don't, I don't, I don't remember. I looked it up when he tweeted this. And then he was nominated for Golden Globe for the song for Rocky 2. A bunch of Razzies went to Hudson Hawk, and he is definitely in that fucking thing. So here's the thing.

You're not considered for an Oscar if in like the round table where everyone's talking about what could and couldn't be nominated. Yeah. Somebody throws your name out as a joke. That's not really consideration. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually true. Frank Stallone for Barfly.

Yeah, that's right. Actually, Steve, if someone says your name for something and then a room of people collectively laughs at what that person just said, which was your name was considered. nominate out of Africa. And then we'll nominate Frank Stallone for Barfly. Yeah, that's a real good one. Good one, good one. Out of Africa. What a snore.

It's a terrible movie. So, yeah. I mean, this is the 89th Academy Awards. We're going to go talk through some categories. I'm a seat filler on this podcast. I've been working in offices for quite some time. I always fill out an office ballot because somebody, some busy body gets around it. No, I mean, like, also because if given the resources, time,

an opportunity, you would definitely be a degenerate gambler, so this is as close as you can come. I give somebody five, but I lose every year. I never get it right. It's always, because I want what I want to win. That's the probably, you can't play it that way, man. The heart wants with the heart. I mean, I think it has to be a

give and take, if you will. Because I, well, that's because I'm always, like, I always lose either, I either choose what I want to win or I choose well, well, the Oscars are stupid, so they'll obviously do the wrong one. And I'm just like, well, the Oscar, I mean, the Oscar is stupid

argument this year I think is that La La Land will sweep It could It's going to sweep Everybody but now everybody is wondering If Moonlight might be an upset Or that they'll split That was the bigger argument I heard was that it could split

I would not be surprised If it's the bullshit thing Where they get swept for a ton of stuff But they lose the last picture You toss it and give them best picture Yes exactly Well, like, Moonlight would get Best Picture and Damien Chazel would get Or yeah, maybe split it that way.

So let's get into it. So the Best Picture category, we have nine films on the docket. We've got... We have the winner right here. Oh, wow. Preston Waterhouse. And the winner is Frank Stallone. Best picture, Franks to Lowe.

You get on a picture. here, Frank. He's, uh, if you want to see the best picture by Frank Stallone, check out his selfie on his Twitter page, which is at Stallone, by the way. Oh, that's going to burn his brother's ass. Yeah, and he's wearing a fucking magma hat. Oh.

Make America great again. Magma. Magma in Halloween colors. Telling. Magma. Why are you saying magma? It's maga. Maga. Yeah. Oh, shit. What, you guys learned that at the Klan? Well, it's not. I can fucking read. It's not. Make America great Mr.

again like there's no m in there mainstream media magma's melted rock i make american great again i use the wrong hashtag that's why you be getting so many geologists talking shit to you this might get you tyson tyson might respond now i've been trying to get him to respond to me on twitter the guy's a coward and then ben wister a friend of ours was like

telling me to lay off the scientists i'm like this guy's a scientist he's a potter So you're saying you're just as much of a scientist as Neil deGrasse. Yes. Okay. Sure. No. It makes sense. Best picture. Aside from Frank Stallone in the Frank Stallone story. Of course. Written and directed by Frank Stallone. Scored by Franksdalone. Arrival. Fences. Hacksaw Ridge. Hell or high water. Hidden figures. La La Land. Lion. Manchester by the sea. Moonlight. That's what we have here. Now, I saw all the...

No, you've got the Oscar nominees A through M. There's the... You're going to get the M through D? It is weird that the alphabet does. They really gave Zootopia in Maine. I am of the mind that this will be La La Land. I really don't want it to be, but I think it will be. Well, let's get into La La Land. I don't like that movie, but I don't have the super hot take like that movie sucks that movie's bad that movie shit it's just not my kind of movie it's not

and i also think that there's some issues with like chemistry i don't think that they do very well together oh hot disagree that's a hot take no i mean i think that was the best part of it really i just think that they don't like each other at all like i felt like that they just couldn't be no way they definitely do i don't know wow yeah i really like the first scene What? Wait, the car thing? Yeah, the car. I thought that was the worst part. That was my favorite part. Almost everything else I was just kind of indifferent to. My favorite part? Deis X. Tom Everett Scott.

Nobody saw that guy. If you fucking told me last year and put a fucking gun into my hands and you know what, you know who's going to be favored for a Best Picture Award nominee, a movie that has significant Tom Everett, Scott. I'm like absolutely not Unless it's that thing we did It's like they're all like in their 60s or whatever And you know what I mean

It's like how we got there maybe I really like this movie I don't think it's like A significant whatever I mean although actually I will say I think technically There's a lot about this movie that's very impressive The shots are nice It's just a very light

Fluffy nothing movie It's a nice cute movie, I don't think it should be nominated for everything in the world. No, I don't. That's what I think is just outrageous. But I mean, I'm talking I'm talking about you know, you were just saying like how you pick winners and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This isn't

what I would like to win. Sure. Because my favorite film of the year wasn't nominated for Best Picture, which was Jackie. But I think that this movie will win. Unfortunately. I think so probably. I actually, I'm an artist defender. Not that I would ever watch that movie ever again if you put a gun to my head.

For a second, I thought you're going to start talking about Roman Polansky. No, no, no, no, no. The artist. I actually really like the artist, and I, you know, I couldn't care less about everyone that... Hated it. Yeah, like, oh, I got a shit on this, or, hey, remember that? Yeah, I do. But at least the artist, to me, the artist was...

And again, maybe I'm the only one in the room that thought the chemistry was a lot better in the artist. With the dog? Yeah, the dog, the dog makes it. No, but like, the end, it was much more memorable. Honestly, I can't tell you it's a musical. I don't know one. I couldn't tell you one of the songs that, like, oh man,

I came home and I was humming that song and I was doing the dish. Really? Not a single one. When they fly into the sky? That was a song. Everybody, like, city of stars got stuck in everybody's head.

Yeah. Now, that's amazing. I think you were just grumpy when you saw it. No. I mean, I don't, like, to me, like,

there's nothing offensive about La La Land. There's nothing offensive of the artist. To me, they're just mediocre movies. They're fine. They're absolutely fine. Sure. But I wouldn't.

I think, I mean, we're talking about the art. I mean, I know I will indeed watch La La Land again. I'm never going to watch the artist. I'll never watch the opposite for me, I think. Really? Yeah. I mean, so other stuff in this category, I'm pleased that a rival is nominated. I am too.

And it has a lot. It's great. I love that, like, and this is, I was actually, I was at an Oscar talk last night where it was Janet Maslin and Mark Harris. We're talking about the Oscars and stuff. And, you know, Mark Harris made a great point. that like the arrival's kind of in that new thing of like the Martian gets tossed into this. Yes.

There was another sci-fi movie that he mentioned. District 9? What? District 9? Yeah, I guess District 9 was the one that kind of started this. That was a breakthrough. And I mean, I think that there's a new line of mature science fiction that is going to start getting more and more. But it's also movies that you might have seen. Exactly.

More popular. You know, like there was a whole talk about like, will Deadpool get in there? That would have been so ridiculous. I mean, not, I mean, if Florence Foster Jenkins is getting, like, that is, it is true. We need to take the prestige a little bit down, guys, right? Like, it's fucking movies. I mean, also true. I like movies, but it's fucking movies.

Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, it doesn't need to be important. It doesn't need to change the world. It needs to be the, I mean, the term of the best movie is just stupid anyway. But winning, I mean, there is. There's points. I mean, like, there may not be a prestige, but you. get more, like Martin Scorsese

after the departed, could get movies made that he wouldn't have been able to get made if everything would like bringing out the dead. Yeah, but look how that fucking, how long that lasted though. He's going to Netflix to make this fucking movie. He makes one of the best movies the year in silence. That's just because Brad

Gray just fucking left. He makes one of the best movies of the year with silence. The fucking cinema-going society as a whole takes a fucking dump on it. And he has to make the movie that is his return to working with Robert De Niro in a crime movie with Netflix. And he's got to share an office with Adam Sandler now.

Oh, my God. You know what? That's a web series I'd watch a couple times. Hey, Marty, you want to watch me fart? Dabu do daboo! The star-studded Netflix offices. Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, I'm working. Hey, Marty, are you talking to me?

A 45 Magnum. You should see what that would do to your fart. That you should see. You look up in that window. there? That's my wife's part. I will say I think it's a little

ridiculous to nominate Arrivile and not nominate Amy Adams. Yes. She was that movie. She is what makes that her and Bradford Young, who is rightly being nominated. And Gensile villain away. I think that him being nominated for director

makes a lot of sense. But she is the anchor of the movie. There is no movie without Amy Adams. Well, I mean, it's a crowded. You can't put another actress in that movie and that's movie. I really don't think that. Yeah, I agree. No, you're totally right. I mean, I think, I mean, we'll get to it when we talk about the category, but I think it's a crowded year for actors. So speaking of movies that don't feel like movies, fences, I had a hard time with this. It's two amazing performances

trapped in a thing that you could just put a stage in a theater and watch it. I don't think that, and there's people who are like he did so much to make it feel like a movie. I wholeheartedly disagree with that. It's just the same virus of Making a play into a movie. I mean, I would agree with that. I mean, I think you just don't notice it because it's two amazing performances. I always have a problem with, like, even with, like, Shakespeare, like, any time you bring a play, like, especially, it's August Wilson, man. He was one of the best writers ever.

Yeah, yeah. And, like, you lean so hard on his text that you really don't have to do too much more to make it interesting. Totally. And it is an interesting movie, but, like, I agree with you, there's absolutely not none, but there's very little cinematic quality. I agree with that. But I actually, I actually just watched this last night and I really, really loved it. And I think, I mean, like, I don't know, I, I like play movies when they're done well. And this is a play movie that's done as well as anything else.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is like, who's afraid of Virginia Woolf? You know what I mean? You just get, you get a great play together. Yeah. And you get really amazing actors to perform it. And honestly, like, with the sort of like, ephemeral nature of the stage, like, it's kind of cool that we get Viola Davis and Denzel Washington doing.

these characters forever now. You know what I mean? And yes, I don't think it should win Best Picture, but I think it's a worthy movie. But in this day and age of like live captured theater shit all the time, I don't think that that Matt, like that's not a thing. This is a Benedict

Cumberbatch that farting on Fandango doing Frankenstein. You know, this is which, first of all, which was awesome. I'm sure it was. But what is the difference though? It might as well be in a fucking theater. The difference would be negligible. I, I, that I, I, I, I mean, there's a texture to the movie, I feel.

Oh, we saw the front of the house. Awesome. He picked the football helmet in the front of the house. Denzel Washington rides a garbage truck. I agree to a certain degree. But I think that it does, I don't know, it feels like a world that a Fandango event doesn't. Right, yeah. I mean, there is a certain element.

I'll give this to, I mean, there's a certain element of world building. Because he rides a garbage truck. But it's so contained and it's so limited that I don't care. Like, if he's riding the garbage truck, I want to see more about, like, what is it like to go? Where do you have to store the garbage trucks? In a garage. No, but like, how do we make the garbage trucks, Chris? Maybe let's go there.

Freak will make it the garbage truck. Some dramatic tension about where he works. I agree. And like, it's not just him paling around. And those moments are great. Yeah, with him and the... But, like, what did he add to it? That's why I like Glengarry for that.

Because Glenn Gary, I think... Oh, wow, they're in a Chinese restaurant. Two-year... Come on, let's call a spade of spade here. Listen, I don't know why I feel it's different, but I feel it's different. And it's just, it feels like more of a world than riding a garbage truck.

And then all of a sudden, you're home from work. Yeah. You get... Because it's contained, but it's also something. I think that's what it is. It's like, here's this one other spot we're going to, but we don't learn any more about that area. It's the backyard, the inside of the house, the upstairs. You know, I mean, there's things to do, like, the woman that he has, the affair with or whatever, like, maybe you're at that hospital.

Maybe that's going. Like, you're doing something with it. I feel, but I feel like really specifically, I mean, why this movie works is because it's just August Wilson being like, this is my play exactly as it is. and those moments you don't see you're not supposed to see they don't exist well August Wilson also wasn't saying please turn my play into a movie he wrote the screenplay

no that was just the play they just used the play didn't he he's long dead no I know that did he write the screenplay and it was just like around for a little bit how could he be nominated for Best Adapted if it's just his screenplay he adapted

that screenplay did he adapted then yeah I always I mean I whenever I read the headline it was always just like August Wilson and I assumed Oh, so is like a script sitting around? I don't know. Well, we'll move on to the next one. I'll get there.

I did not see things here. Well, that's fine. A couple of those are coming up for me, don't want to. Yeah, I mean, so this one, I don't know if anybody saw it, but Hacksaw Ridge. I saw it. It's brutal, man. I mean, not surprisingly, because it's directed by Mel Gibson. Here's my question.

This is my only question. It's not great, but I liked it. Can he make a character that's not Christ? No. Just one. No. Just one, man. No.

That's all I wanted. No. Was one main character, one main character that's not Christ. One main character that is not Christ, what does the board say? William Wallace, are you going to go? No, no, I'm trying to think of Mel Gibson directed movies. Jesus. They're all Christ.

Every single one of them is Christ. The dude in Apocalyptic is certainly is. Yes, he's a Christ. But this movie reminded me a lot of like Sergeant York. Sure. And that stuff's good, but like the whole like making him like the righteous one in a evil like place where he's beset by enemies at all turns in the army like well it just seemed like he was building up a victimization narrative like as a con if you were a conscientious a

conscientious objector that's the only way i could say that word but you would be shit on for sure but i feel like you have to show something more than that like and just not be like well the whole world's shit and he's the best so whatever like that that's the narrative it's kind of unfair to say that. I mean, that's the picture they paint. You know what's unfortunate is casting Vince Vaughn in this movie? Oh, yeah. Oh, he thought he was going to get the best supporting, didn't he? I'm sure he did.

I'm sure he was right pissed. Well, here's my ignorant opinion of this movie because I haven't seen it. Is this movie only nominated because nobody liked Sully and we needed one conservative movie to be, or a movie that's I don't even see it as a conservative narrative? I mean, I guess you could read it that way

if you come to it, like, going, it's another Jesus movie. It is. Which is how I went to silence, by the way. And I really liked silence. You know, I think silence should probably take the place a hacksaw in this lineup. Or maybe how on the water.

Lion. Lion, get it right the fuck out. I did not see lying. Fences and Lion are the two out of this category. I did not say it. I did not hate the movie. I mean, there's something to it, and he's definitely a good, like, visually.

The war stuff was awesome, right? He's a good director. He's a fucking maniac, and he's a monster, and he's an anti-Semite. Which is, might be why he's directing Suicide Squad, too, maybe. God, can you imagine? I'm excited for that. I hope that happens. I really do.

Wait, who's going to be Jesus? Probably Will Smith. Oh, my dead shot? That's what he's always wanted to be, is Christ, the Deadshot Christ. Hey, Deadshot, can I wash your face? What's your face doing on this rig? Hey, dead shot. We're all starving over here.

How about some fish? The two thieves he's crucified next to is Captain Boomerang. And I don't know, what's another? Killer Crock. Here comes Harley Magdalene. Oh, yes. Yes. By the way, just to, sorry, Wilson wrote a draft before his death in 2005.

And then other people tinkered with it, but he's credited. He's credited. So, I mean, it's like he did his, that's great. Sure. Yes. All right, whatever. So, hell or high water.

This, I was surprised by this. I was surprised by it, but I really, really like this movie. I really did. I thought it was kind of like a regular, shmegular movie. I understand why people like it. I think it's a good movie, but I don't, like,

I don't know why it's here. No, I have no idea why it's here. The last scene is the best scene in the movie by far. And one of the best scenes of the year. Totally. But I agree with Eric. I find it a regular, regular, regular, where we're just Robin Banks and stuff.

And I mean, like, I get the whole, like, I kind of like the economic stuff. It matters. It's cool. I like some texture. To me, it feels like an old-timey Western that we're repurposing. Sure. I mean, which it is, you know, but like someone said last night too that it feels like a movie that you made in like the 1970s. And I kind of get that vibe from it too.

Which is good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just don't understand why it's here. No, I have no idea why it's. When something like silence or Jackie is not, this is hanging out. It makes no sense.

And I think everyone involved with this movie was also like, wait, what? Really? Well, because it shows. Oh, shit, I got to go to the Oscars. Oh, man. Oh, damn it, Ken? I was going to have a night in by myself. Had myself my smoking weed here.

Am I eating weed over here? Two separate wolves. Now I got to get dressed up for this hawkathon. Got to put my jeans on for the egg. Academy Award? Is Versacee still alive? Can I get a suit from him? Oh, he's dead.

Oh, fuck. Fuck. Fuck, fuck. How about that? What's your name? That's Stephen McQueen. He's aware of Steve McQueen's dead. Or are you talking about the new director?

No, there's also, isn't there also a McQueen, a Steve McQueen fashion person, I thought. Oh. No, I think that's Alexander McQueen. Alexander McQueen. I'm being in his. So then hidden figures. At least you didn't say magma. That's true.

Thank God. Thank the good Lord for that one. I'd like to say that I did not see this film. It's a really good movie. I might see it this weekend. I really like this weekend. Yeah, I liked it. It's like the biggest box office surprise of the year, which is pretty cool.

I think I, it's something like, still in the top 10 after came out of Christmas. Five weeks, I think. It's, uh, it made like $130 million dollars. Oh, wow. I heard a fucking crazy. It is a huge success story. Mel Gibson's,

going to do Hidden Figures 2. Oh, which one of them's going to be Jesus now? I could probably Maharshala Ali. Sure. Oh, dude, there you go. Marashala Ali, Black Jesus movie?

Fuck yeah. I'd watch that. That'll ruffle some feathers. I mean, like, is it? Oh, the founding fathers are so upset. Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen it, so I can't tell it. It looks like a really cool movie.

It was a movie that I, you know, I saw the preview before. I was like, all right, whatever. And then I had to go to the screening for work. and watching it I was like holy fuck like this is good it just it was a movie that I kind of just had no interest in thought it would be fine

yeah because the trailer I just thought it was like oh it's going to be kind of like a TV movie that the vibe I was getting on it it was a bad trailer yeah it's really solid so then La La Land we kind of already talked about it Lion one of the most overrated movies of the year

I did not see it so what is Lion so lion's the movie where there's a little boy who gets locked on a train in India and it takes him like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles away from where he lived and he's a little boy and the different languages in India

he can't communicate with people so he's just like a lost kid and then he grows up to be Deb Patel who then goes in search for his family he's adopted by Australian parents one of which is played by Nicole Kidman and so the movie is but the interesting thing about the movie

is the first half an hour to 45 minutes is just this little kid who's amazing. He's just this little tiny kid alone, like lost in India in like rail yards and walking around train stations. And there's like no dialogue. I think the reason this got nominated was because of the kid.

Yeah. And then when you get to Dev Patel, it's just the biggest who cares movie. Yeah, he's just hanging out wearing open shirts kind of a thing. Yeah, looking pretty cut. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure.

He's a romance and Rooney Mara. Rooney Mara. Oh, what? I'm edging already. Yeah, exactly. It's a sexy couple. And then like, you know, know, they cut back around

and, you know, Nicole Kidman's aged a little bit as the mom. To have the kid up on the stage saying something was clearly the point of nominating. Does Nicole Kidman... He's all over the marketing. But the little kid's not nominated.

That's fucking little kids trying to get everything, isn't it? It is. Did that little... Did Nicole Kidman pee on anybody in this one or no? No. No, she did not. Did she pee on people? She saves her peeing for Peeffron. Yeah, only Zach gets it. What was that movie called? The Paperboy. The Paperboy.

The Paperboy. all over that kid. There's another paper boy that's a stay tuned. Oh, is that the Donald Trump movie? He's an adaptation of the video game? You can make a movie out of that. You could have. Get the kid who played Dennis the Menace?

He's probably like 38 right now. He's a Dennis the Menace type. No, this is definitely one of those movies where next year I'm going to look back at the last year's nominations. I'm like, what was that movie? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it was that one. Well, because it's all just Harvey, man. Like if Harvey wants to

push to get his failing company to have a movie that's nominated for the Oscars. The failing wine steampo. They're rigged. It's been rigged. It's the failing

Weinstein. They are super failing. That's what's amazing. They're super fucking failing. They're fake movies. And Amazon's like poaching their like all the stuff they would have taken.

Well it's amazing because the better movie that they had this year was Sing Street and they didn't give a fuck about it. Well no, they didn't have no press for it. It was the better movie. So,

all right. So we'll go. get through these years. So then Manchester, which is great. That's kind of my favorite movie of the year. Great movie. It's a real, it finishes a hair above Moonlight for me which are both, I'm equally okay with either of these winning. It doesn't seem like Manchester's

going to because there's no juice behind it. Casey Eflick might win. I think Casey Affleck probably will win. I think it's a better movie than his performance. Not to say his performance is bad by any stretch of the imagination, but I think the movie, like, the movie is better. It is not just his performance.

No, he works within the movie. Yeah. But I I thought he was really great. I liked Casey Afflegan, like, assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Great movie. And I was just like, well, you know, what has he done? What has he done for me lately? Yeah. And then, you know, I was really surprised by his performance.

And I thought it was really great. And I thought the movie was great. Yeah. Yeah. Him with the kid. You want to talk about a bad trailer. You watch that movie. You think it's like, you think it's fucking baby boom.

The trailer they make. Yeah. I got to be this kid's guy. I had like no interest. I was like, okay, a drama about raising a kid. All right, oh, yeah, I'll be right there. I mean, it's so tough. You know, start the movie.

I'll be right there. Yeah, no, don't pause it. Don't pause it. Wait, who's Jesus in this one? You know what? I got to go to bathroom real quick. We'll be back. Don't pause.

It's tough. And we won't give any spoilers here because people are still catching up with movies. I just think that is a bad trailer, but it's really hard to market what that movie is without explaining all the turns. Which you don't want. You know, that's a good fucking winter day.

It's cold outside. And, you know, maybe you don't like everything. Maybe you want to just feel kind of shitty. Yeah, totally. Curl up with some Manchester by the sea? Just hate existence for a little bit? Feel like garbage for exactly three days. Buy that Blu-ray and watch it every day.

Oh, man. I did. That's a movie that should have no Blu-ray sales. What sick fuck is owning that movie? Come on, Kevin. I pre-ordered. Oh, pre-ordered Blue-Rice. You fucking suck.

You know what, dude, there would have been plenty of copies at the store. Yeah, you'll be fine. And then Moonlight. Amazing move. That's a hot day when you want to hate yourself and hate your life. You put on Moonlight. I think this one, I think it should win. I agree.

It should win. I think this is my favorite. And then Manchester and I think Lala Land will win. But, you know, Moonlight's just great. I think it's kind of, we'll get to the acting categories. It's kind of hard to single stuff out in Moonlight, except for what they do single out. But like, those three performances are great by all three. of those leads.

All the dudes playing Shirona. Maharshallali is incredible. That dude has had the year. Naomi Harris also very good. And it's the most, I mean, really like the most interesting

looking movie out of this whole bunch. Oh, it really feels like something. It's a story you haven't really heard before, too. I mean, so it's hidden figures, but like Hacksaw Ridge, like I was saying,

like Sergeant York is, there's a nostalgia to it. It's kind of like the, Sergeant York is almost the opposite because then he ends up killing thousands of people or whatever, but it's like, It's the same kind of story, sentimental.

From here to Eternity has a very similar story arc. Uh-huh. And those are better movies. Much better. Yeah. Now, this is an amazingly constructed movie. Barry Jenkins is a genius. You know, it's like, you almost feel bad for Barry Jenkins because it's like, all right, bear, whatever that next movie is.

Better be moonlight. Yeah. I mean, you know, Moonlight 2 is still moonlight. Well, that's, Steve McQueen's doing like a bank heist movie. Oh, is he really? Yeah. Which, I mean, it's cool. You know, I'd love to know what that looks like.

but it's like he's been doing these really powerful movies and now it's like I want to do a bank heist which is totally I wonder if you know Barry Jenkins could do a bank ice

or maybe he's going to do like Barry's bank oh my God if he does a fucking remake of baby boom an actual honest to get this remake of baby boom or maybe baby's day out that would be really something

so we were just talking about Casey so let's get into the actor and a leading role Casey Affleck for Manchester Andrew Garfield for Hexar Ridge Ryan Gosling Lala Land Vigo Mortensen Captain Fantastic and Den Zez

for fences. I mean, honestly, the fact that Denzel doesn't have a gun in fences, it's like, oh, man, I wanted to stand up and clap. It's just not, it's not the same. And, like, because he just sits down with these, like, shitty gun movies year in and year out. I wish

your guns. Yeah, two guns. I mean, like, I wish you would put some fuck. I wish you'd put some fuck, because he's, like, the greatest actor alive. Like, you watch this movie, you're like, this dude is, like, literally the greatest actor. And it's weird because you do feel like he's waiting by the phone for Antoine Fuqua to call when he's

done with the script. They're doing fucking Equalizer too. Are they doing another one? I don't know if Fuqua's directing. Probably not. He's probably produced and that's like Mag 7. But come on. The charisma, the energy, the fire, it's like

it's all there. But you forget it though. You do. I remember watching fences being like, oh yeah. Philadelphia. Yes, exactly. This guy can like terracine and half with his bare hands. I'm not looking at him through a bunch of wacky

Tony Scott filters. Exactly. RIP. Yeah. I actually kind of want I mean, maybe it's recency bias because I just saw it. I think honestly, Denzel would be my hope. I mean, I think it's a dead tie between him and Casey Affleck. Totally.

I think, I mean, they gave Garfield the wrong nomination. I should have been for silence. I agree. I was about to say that. He was better in silence. He was so much better in I don't get I mean it's just we're taking a dump on this movie man I don't know I don't know why somebody

who liked Captain Fantastic come to my house I've been to your house you want me to come over you liked it I like the first two acts of paper get Chris's address out there I like the first to punch you later the first two acts of that film

the third act is a completely different speaking of fucking baby boom like these Do they make baby food in Pennsylvania? It's a totally removed. You're like, wait, what movie is this now? What happened? It totally changes.

But those first two acts, I thought were great. To me, it's one of those movies that's like, man, isn't off the grid living great. Except for we're not going to show any of the real hard stuff about off the grid living. I think the entire movie tells you that it's not great, though. You can glean that from looking at these fucking little feral animals. And by the way, And maybe to your point, the way the movie ends justifies more of the, like, celebrating of it, rather than, like, actually taking, talking about what the problems are with this kind of life.

I'm kind of, and I haven't seen the movie, but I'm okay with the nomination if only if it allows Vigo Mortensen to get, like, in movies again, because I haven't seen him in a while. Well, his whole thing, when this movie came out, and it's amazing that he's even nominated because this movie came out in April and nobody fucking remembers anything. No. And regardless of the movie, I mean, I think he's great. He's good. In the movie. I like the movie and I don't, I didn't love it. I thought it was fine.

Yeah. But I don't think, I don't know why it's nominated really. I mean, it's, it's only nomination, though. So I guess that's, I mean, some, but I mean, what studio put, like, it was probably Bleaker Street. Oh, so it's probably a throw to them because do they have any other nomination? I don't think so. No, I was talking to a buddy of mine today about Captain Fantastic.

Yeah. He was working on a theory. Yeah. Oh shit, Captain Fantastic fan theories. Yes. This is not a spoiler because this is a, this is not what happens in the movie. Don't worry. I'll never see it.

But, uh, this theory like, like, like, oh, the third act, you know, like, uh, Vigo Borteson committed suicide. And this was, oh, it was exactly that. Oh, really. That's ridiculous. That sucks. That's wrong. It's a fan theory. That's all fan.

Who else are we not talking about? And who's the... Ryan Gosling's up next. Oh, Ryan Gosling. He's not great in that movie, and I like Gosling a lot. I mean, it's her movie, and he's just there, like, being annoyed the entire time. I guess I'm really on an island unto myself here. I don't agree with you at all.

I think he's very funny in that movie. Again, I don't think either of them you're nominating anything. Like, I don't get that. Yeah, sure. But he's totally serviceable and funny in that movie. Serviceable is the word I would use. And that's, I mean, I think the problem here. Well, that's more praise than what you were originally keeping on it.

I don't understand why he's not dead. That's not what I said. Came awfully coast, Steve. No, he didn't. No, but I think it's the problem of getting nominated for a movie that should never have been nominated. Like, La La Land is just a silly little movie. And in any other context, I wouldn't say a second word about it. But it's like, this is a movie that, like, you should be nominating technical

things for it all you want. Costumes, cinematography, you know, music, all that stuff. That's great. Everything else, it's like, it's just fine. It's just fluff. It's just cotton candy movie going. And that to me is not Academy Award nominating. Well, there's this thing where it's like, you know,

because it's not a superhero movie or a remake, it has to be genius, which is not necessarily true. And the technical work is amazing. I think it's like one of the it's like, oh, someone made a musical that people actually want to go see. So it's like a return to form for Hollywood.

And it's a nostalgia. And I mean, anytime you celebrate Hollywood, you have an easy path. Sure. It's a positive industry movie. You know, it's not an,

it's, well, I mean, I was just about to say it's not Bouguinites, but that was Academy Awards all over the place. But it's not like shitting

on the industry. No one gets shot out the back of the fucking snuff film industry. Oh, man, I'm in the snuff film industry these days. Oh, yeah? I'm the dude at the mask

that puts the duct tape on them. Oh, you're a machine. You're the dude. Machine after Gandalfini died. I don't want to talk about it too much. The machine. It's Mr. Machine? I'm sorry. Before all you 8mm head heads, I know

Gandalfini did not play machine. That was somebody else. That's fine. Stephen Bauer. Not Stephen Bauer. Steve Baird? A guy from Devil's Advocate. It's something Bauer. Yeah. Kevin Bauer? The pervert from the beginning of Devil's advocate. Yeah, yeah. And he was in True blood. True blood.

Michael Bauer? Something. Well, we'll type in. Yeah, he was a dude Because Steve Bauer is the guy from Primal Fear, right? Yeah, Stephen Bauer is, yes, exactly, and from Scarface. Yes. All right, none of those movies were nominated. We're not allowed to talk about it.

I mean, you know, we covered Denzel and Casey. All right, so moving on to actress in a leading role. Isabel O'Pere for L, Ruth Nega, for Loving, Natalie Portman for Jackie, Emma Stone for La La Land. Did see, it didn't like it? Merrill Streep for Florence. Foster fuckface. We'll never see it. You know what? You're fine. Yeah, you're fine.

You're absolutely fine. Uh, Isabella Hubert, I'll tell you what, I think Elle is one of the most overrated movies of the year. I really like it. Things to come is the better. Things to come is the better move. Yeah. But I do think it's a good movie. I think, again, it's the amount of attention it's getting at the end of year is

maybe a little much. Who's the favorite? Is this Emma Stone's category? That's kind of my gathering of... Winning the Golden Globe is a huge thing. That was a big surprise. That really throws... But that's voted on by the Hollywood Forum Press Association.

Get them out of here. But also, they've been watching movies with subtitles. We've got to build the wall around Hollywood. Long, long overdue for one of those famous because they've been here for so long. Right, because she's amazing. She's made like a 106 movies. And she's incredible. And she still is incredible.

So I can see her pushing Emma Stone out. What you're saying is this is her gladiator. A little bit. Yeah, totally. Ruth is the Welcome to the Party Pal nominate. Big time. She's great. I mean,

she's great. I did not see this movie. I didn't see it. I didn't see it on Preacher. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. I didn't see this. She's really good in the movie.

I wish, I mean, that's the thing is this is packed. Merrill Street shouldn't be here. Nope, not. That's Amy Adams. Exactly. Yep,

right there. Right there. Right there. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. That for who flies. I feel like just,

I feel like screaming into a Spike Lee camera that everybody has to wake up. I think they lost a bet at some point. And now every time Merrill Streep is in a movie. I honestly think she's nominated because Trump said she was bad. But was the nomination decided before the golden... Who the fuck knows, right? I think she was nominated before the Golden Globes aired? No.

No, is it? No, but I mean, but they were like in the bag, I think. Like the voting had been done at that point. voting it's rigged oh shit here's my question and I mean one is if I ever need to see a movie where Meryl Streep is too rich he doesn't know what to do with her money I'll never need to see that movie but yeah you could just see a Wes Anderson movie yeah exactly precisely my question is why isn't Viola Davis in this this slot man because she asked to be supporting it was her decision which is fair I mean like I just don't buy it I mean like it's you don't buy that that was her

decision no I just don't think that that's a supporting role like if She had better chances in Judy Dench sneezes in fucking Shakespeare in love and she gets nominated for wins the best supporting actress Right Which is I mean like But when was this, does anybody know when she made this statement? What?

Like did she already know, I mean She was in a bunker, she had a gun to her head What I don't know Byola Davis's last day There's a meme of her just yelling And you change with the subtitles Down there with Marty Braun You know, I think you're right

because she's like, maybe if I win an Oscar, fucking Jared Lito will stop sending me condoms. Maybe then. I'll take the easier road here. And she put a cap on a condom for a viola. She can tell him to fucking put a cap on that shit when he gets in there. No, I mean, I'm not calling her a coward or anything.

I guess it's her decision. Coward! No, I mean, if it's her decision, it's her decision. Why would you call her a car? I'm not. I'm just saying, like, I just think, like, functionally, and I'll get back to this to a later discussion. Yeah.

I just don't think it's a supporting role. It's a lead role and she should win and she's great and she's amazing. Well, it was her choice, Steve. So Jackie, we're up to her. Jackie, I love this movie. I really like her. It's amazing. You don't like it, Steve.

Is that correct? I really like the performance. I don't like the movie. Really? I almost feel like the opposite. Oh, really? No, I think she was good and all. But, like, I was expecting that movie to be different than it was.

And I loved how it was like following right after the fact. In the moment. Exactly. Moment to moments. There was an intimacy to it that I really liked. With her performance, I was just sometimes thinking about, like, I don't know, it's me viewing the words. You know what I mean? I'm like focusing in on it.

I'm ruining it probably. There are moments where I thought, is she a Muppet? And then like, I went back to be like, no, she's pretty good. I think she's great. I mean, this movie, when the first time I heard of this movie was at the Toronto Film Festival. and I was at the condo going through the book and figuring out the schedule

and I didn't even know that Pablo Lorraine was making the movie and I just looked and I was like Natalie Portman Jackie Kennedy movie fucking skip

well that's the thing is like I think I mean what I like about the movie is actually Pablo Lorraine more than her well that's what's so great about it because why I made that skip

joke was because I just looked at it as oh it's just a biopic boy am I tired of biopics and I skipped it and then my boss saw it And it was like, this movie's amazing, it's not what you think it is. And when I watched it, it's not, it's so unconventional in what it's doing. So much so, the tone of that movie at times, I was saying this, it's like one of the best

horror movies I watched last year. It feels like a ghost house movie. Some of these scenes and the atmosphere and the score, which is amazing. And I'm so glad she got nominated. Yeah, that was a big one. Like, it just feels like something so wholly different. Plus, man, John Hurt. God bless him in this movie.

You know, thank God he went out and not playing a fucking wizard for five seconds. You know what I mean? And I'm telling you that's going to be the clip. What? Is Harry Potter? I'm telling you that's what's going to be. Maybe it'll be from Jackie, though. We all agree it can't be elephant man.

It's going to be 1984. I know. Oh, that's a good point. Very good point. That would be a nice, like, fuck you, like, get it in the next kind of the thing. I'm not on a high horse about Jackie. It just didn't move me. I didn't.

I give it. I take maybe too many points away for a week Bobby Kennedy and Peter Sarasgard. I liked it. I thought it was fine. All right, sure. Did you notice that in the funeral procession scene, they got pretty much an extra playing Ted Kennedy, and this guy looks exactly like Ted Kennedy. I mean, I don't know what Swedish guy they got to play Jack Kennedy.

Like, this guy's never, he doesn't speak English at all. They dub his voice. It's amazing. Well, I mean, his fucking brains are all over the floor in two seconds anyway. No, you see him in scene. like him coming up behind her. It's the ghost of them. You know, it's what? Great Caesar's ghost.

I think that's why it feels like... Pablo Lorraine actually went to the ends of the earth to find the one clone of Jack Kennedy. It feels like a ghost movie because I think there are ghosts actually in it. It's ghost photography. Well, I mean, like, that scene with John Hurt when they're walking around the field and you realize they're at the cemetery and they're like, you know, reminiscing on like life and death or whatever, like, in that moment, this movie turns into an Ingmar Bergman movie.

Right. One bad thing about that scene in the cemetery, you look, you squintingting the background what is what why is the bye-bye man in the scene that was a big problem for me the casting of the bye-by-man to stand in the back of that cemetery i mean it's creepy and all i know but like guys i got it all right you don't have to put the bye-bye man in here burr oh man does he say that no i don't oh i'm gonna have to watch that movie i'm dying to see it i was gonna finally break down and go to see the bye-by man in the theater and it was already gone oh said bye-bye to the theater Yeah, it certainly did. Do you write headlines for Variety?

I will. So then Emma Stone, we talked about it. She's totally fine in it. Yeah, it's just, again, it's not something I'm not. I don't think we said who we think will win. Oh. I mean, I think it's probably going to be Emma Stone. It's going to be Emma Stone.

They might throw it to her. I agree with Chris. I think it's Emma Stone, but I would like to see as I would like that. I might leave my house and never come back. Merrill Streep wins. I don't know where I'm going to go. I honestly do not know where I'm going to go. Atlanta, I might go early. I might stay there. Here's the thing. You would embarrass her if you did that at this point. It's actually getting to that point where like it's not even like embarrass her in the good way. It's you're just embarrassing her because she's been beating all these people so many times. Was she nominated for that Julie and Julia? Yes, I'm almost certain. What was the last thing she won for? Anybody remember? Wasn't the Iron Lady? I think it might have been the Iron Lady. You're probably right.

It was definitely recent because she's nominated every year. And I don't, I can't think of any other ones. But the Iron Lady was the big one. Yeah. Well, before we move on, I will say again that Florence Foster Jenkins is the worst movie. And I will say that these Academy Awards are fake and illegal. Yes. She's only won three Oscars, by the way.

She's been nominated 140 times. I mean, I think it was like a 20th nomination. She did win for the Iron Lady. Boy, that's a bad movie. She won for Kramer v. Kramer, and she won for Sophie's choice, and she's been nominated for everything ever since. There you go. All right, actor in a supporting role, Marashala Ali for Moonlight, Jeff Bridges, Heller Highwater, Lucas Hedges for Manchester, Dev Patel for Lion, and Michael Shannon for Nocturnal Animals. If this doesn't go to Marashala Ali, I'm turning the TV off.

It's got to be him or Hedges. Really? I think him or Shannon. The slaps, Lucas Hedges, by the way. Huh? He was in NBC's The Slap. Oh, was he? Yeah, Lucas. Wait, wait. Did he slap or was he slapped?

No, no, he just has, like, crucial information. So he saw the slap? Oh, he has crucial information about the slap? Yeah, he does. Oh, he could slap. And you miss it seen in Grand Pudapest Hotel. Oh, really? Oh, right.

Yeah. In one of the various hotels. I think Moonlight should probably win. But. Marcia Ali should definitely win. That's, I don't think. I thought Michael Shannon was great at Nocturnal. He's my favorite part of Nocturnal House.

I actually surprisingly liked that movie more than I thought I would. I really did not like it. I did not like the single man that much, but... I mean, that's, I mean, that's the other thing. I just kind of, like, honestly, I was bored with it for the most part. Really? I was, I mean, the acting is very good. Yeah.

But that's kind of it for me. Like, I was watching it for the acting. What I liked about it so much is it reminded me of, like, staying up late, you know, your parents go... Red shoe diaries. Your parents... But, you know, your parents have been knocked out from the sauce already, you know? Sure.

So you're watching. like HBO at one in the morning. It's like this fucking movie about like oh man these dudes in the desert you're going to kidnap your wife. I saw so many movies about that. It's like if you accidentally stumbled upon retroactive. Right. Or

breakdown or you know a number of other movies. What's that a Black Dog? No. It's the one with... Dual. It's just like Black Dog. What's the movie we did on gosh with Tim Matheson? Oh, Barry.

Buried alive. Very alive. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. It's like that in the desert, but not as crazy. It's just like, I like, I like his movies and it's like, it's just, it was like slick and there's pretty people in it. And I just, I honestly, if it had just been Michael Shannon with Jake Gyllenhaal doing that

thing, I would have been fine. So you don't like, I didn't think the whole frame. I just didn't buy it. Like, I was just kind of like, whatever. And like, Amy Adams is good in the role, but like, I didn't care about what she was doing. Yeah. I guess that is true. You have a point.

I mean, I didn't mind the framing device, but I could see potentially being stronger, more stripped down. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think and I want it to be Marshala. Bridges, I actually found, I mean, like, I like, again, like I think that's one of the best scenes of last year,

is him and Chris Pine and like, holy shit, Chris Pine should do movies where he's not Star Trek. Right. You know, that's great. But the rest of it, him and his partner, and we're throwing the racist bar. I've seen that. I feel like I've seen this from Jeff Bridges before. This is like a mellow version of all the other sheriffs he's played.

Exactly. Yeah. I just don't think it's really worthy. Again, that scene is great, but that what's standing not so great. I mean, like, I don't think he should be in this category for it. I mean, but he was, to be honest, I didn't think much of that movie at all. But that was a spice. He's a spice I like returning to. I know he's doing the same thing every time. Yeah. But it's like that's the one. one I like it's always going to be perfect. I always like cinnamon. I feel like he's just like, how illegible can I get?

Yeah, but it's a fun game. It is a fun game. Talk about edging. But yeah, and I love Lucas Hedges in that movie. Yeah, he's great. Yeah. And then Dev Patel,

I don't know what you're doing this. Supporting role, Steve's most hated nomination here, Viola Davis for Fences. Naomi Harris, Moonlight, Nicole Kidman, Lion, Octavia Spencer, Hidden Figures, and Michelle Williams, Manchester by the sea. Again, if it doesn't go to Viola Davis, what are we doing here? I actually think Michelle Williams is the Oscars doormat, unfortunately, and I think that she's great. And I mean, but again, like, if we're putting, that's like putting, I don't know, Mike Tyson in the lightweight category.

It's like, all right, sure, you know, he's going to knock the shit out of everybody. You know what I mean? Like, she's that good in that movie and she has that much real estate in that movie. movie. Yeah. But, I mean, and then, you know, she's great. And I think Michelle Williams is great in a supporting role, a proper supporting role. I feel like about a high horse, but I don't know.

I feel like had fences not come out, it would have, she would have won it. Yeah, she would definitely have won it. And I think it's like a little tight there. Nicole Kidman, I don't know what you're doing there. Naomi Harris is great in that movie. Flawless American accent. Yes. In Moonlight.

And Octavia Spencer is great in that movie, too. I really like that character, her performance. but statistically she's already won one so that's like kind of whatever she's not I mean I kind of wish Janelle Monnet had gotten it she's I thought she was great in that movie I thought she was really good in it um but I think it it's definitely gonna be Davis I mean there it can't which will be a great moment period yeah I don't know why she'll have a great speed it will be a freaking bring down the house speech totally she deserves it uh all right they'll play her off though supporting actress they're gonna fucking play her off so quick uh all right so

director let's see this is a weird time for directors arrival Denny Villeneuve Haxar Ridge racist Mill Gibson La La Land

Vundercind baby Damian Shazelle He's younger than us He's 31 years old It's disgusting Most people are younger than I Manchester Manchester by the sea

Kenneth Lonergan and Moonlight Barry Jenkins What are we thinking I mean it's gonna go to Chazelle It should go to Moonlight, though. It should go to Moonlight. It should. I would be more betting that as far as history goes, they give the more politically important movie, the movie one.

And the director gets the more Hollywood-y one. Did that happen with Steve McQueen and 12 Years of Slave? Which way did that go? Was that a best picture? The best picture. Between the two, one, for. And that was Birdman. Bird.

Yeah, that would be Birdman. He did not direct right now. And then Spotlight 1 and Innu Redu got it again for Revenant. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which would be rad because then by history standards, Moonlight would win this picture. If I was going to bet as far as a split goes,

I think it would go that way. Well, good thing for Daniel Vinaweev is he's going to direct every movie now from now on. It's a science movie. Blade Runner coming up. I think it's a crazy. with Steve's most hated actor Ryan Gosling I like him

and his second most hated one Harrison Ford it's tough I mean because like Arrivals are an amazingly directed movie Manchester you could fucking teach a class on how to direct a movie

by just watching that movie just incredibly paste and like just the time that they take on the shots and it looks so good and like the flashback stuff isn't cheesy and it isn't like overwrought

it's just right there and like just from a gut punch point. It's the funniest movie, funniest tragedy I've ever seen. Yes. I was surprised how much you're laughing at that movie. I was really laughing hard. But Barry Jack, Moonlight is just

it's beautiful. It's amazing. It's amazing. I can't wait to see something Damien and Chazelle directs that he didn't write. I feel is the thing. That's like the challenge. His next one sounds like a great idea for him. Is it a jazz musician? No, that's a thing is he's not doing that anymore. Oh, okay. No more musicians.

it's uh no barry jenkins has that cover it's not john glenn but it's one of the first whoever who's the first man is it like of the dog is he doing the neil armstrong movie starring uh ryan gosling your favorite your favorite man oh weird i think ryan gosling is good casting for neal armstrong yeah that'd be cool uh to have someone coolly say i kind of but that's i'm super excited about that because it is him going away from music and towards a straight drama i think he might do really well there. Just get fucking out of Jazz Alley, pal. Please. We'll be all right.

While we're in Jazz Alley, I will say, Whiplash was so much better than La La La La La. So much better. Yes. And I'm not even the worst biggest Whiplash fan, but yeah, I agree. See, again, I see myself watching La La Land again. I've never thought about returning to Whiplash. I saw it at the New York Film Festival, and that was it.

And it's whatever. But I liked it. Yeah. I didn't dislike it. Like, I never do this. When that movie... Here's the problem with La La La Land. Okay. It's not.

not my tempo. It's dragging. It's dragging. I don't know. That's what he says. Yeah, it's dragging ass. Buddy, it is a... Lala Land is a little long, to be honest.

It is. Yeah. It's over two hours, which is a problem. It winds up being like 2.10-ish. Or four hours of them, that fucking stupid photo shoot that happens in that movie. And it's like a from a 1990s, Beverly Hills. It's supposed to be stupid. It's supposed to be stupid.

It's like a critique of the music industry from 30 years. I can see the poster now. Lala Land. It's supposed to be stupid. And then so this one I think is kind of interestingly the most important category of the evening. And we're going to wrap it up with this one.

We will wrap it up with this one. This is documentary. You're going to play it off right now. Yeah, I mean, we would talk about the screenplays and stuff, but we're kind of been talking about what the movies are. I'd like to thank the Podcasting Academy. So, real quick. Quick, fire at sea, I am not your negro, life animated, OJ made in America, and 13th.

Who's seen what? I've seen them all. I've seen none. I've seen OJ. The one movie that I've seen I don't think should be nominated, which it's great. It's amazing, which is OJ made in America. But if we're going to do that, then Fargo's season two should be nominated for Best Picture. I agree with this.

That's a real problem. This is a thing that was brought up last night, too. It's kind of obnoxious that ESPN, which, which did everything with this. No one else is involved. Is ESPN shoehorned in Oscar qualifiers. Yeah, it's bullshit. I mean, it's very stupid.

It's amazing. There's literally nothing not amazing about this document. It's super essential. I've re-watched it twice already. You have to watch it. You got it. Background noise is great. It's amazing.

Yeah. But it's not a documentary movie. I'm just like, after seeing the People versus O.J. Simpson, it's like, how much time do I want to spend with O.J. Simpson? That's what I kind of thought, too, but what's amazing about it. it is it expands out and it's this it's this critique of america on the whole in the lens centered yeah through this filter of the and like the race stuff is so much i mean like i i think people versus oj is great but like the race stuff is so much more prevalent so much more interesting yeah so much detail not for nothing but the last act has scummy collectors it's the best part of it

that's amazing it's amazing but i just don't think it should be nominated that's the one i But, and I agree with you completely. And I've been really, I've been a little disappointed. Like, I've been, like, wrestling with putting it on a list. Yeah. At all, because, like, it is, like, you don't know. And, but more so, other than life animated, you could give this to any of them and I'd be happy. Yeah.

Give them other than life animated. I, I wasn't crazy about life animated. It's a great story. I think they put the animated bullshit. I just didn't need it. It's too flashed. it's too, like, with the power and magic of the movies and whatever. I'm glad that that guy, like, found this therapy and the parents were able to communicate and

blah, blah, blah, but it's just like whatever. And that's why I'm not going to be surprised if it wins it. It's either that or OJ. It needs to be, I am not your Negro. I need to see that. It's great. It should be. I mean, but that's the thing.

If it went the 13th, I'd be happy. I wouldn't be disappointed. And the same thing with Fire at Sea. The 13th is hanging out on Netflix. And I was all ready to see it. before the election, and then the election happened, and I'm like, I don't know if I can handle that. You know what I mean?

Well, if you can't handle that, you can't handle I Am Not Your Negro. They're about as depressing. I just can't. I Am Not Your Negro is a less conventional documentary, though, which is why I think ultimately it's the better movie. They're both, and OJ, too, and Fire at Sea. They're all incredibly important right now for what's going on with everything.

But there's just what he does with I Am Not Your Negro escalates it above. Ava's film, which is really just talking heads and statistics on screen. They're all incredibly important, you know, amazing stories and facts, and you know, you get just as pissed off, but it's way more straightforward

of a doc. So that's why I think I'm not eager. Although go see Fire at Sea, it's unconventional in some way, but it's very important. What's going to be next year, there's a lot of buzz about it. It's a little documentary from a guy named in Russia. I don't have his name right in front of me, but it's a Donald Trump

getting pissed on. But it's It's going to sweep. It's amazing. It's just a different, some reenactments are in there. There you go. Two urethreat, one tramp. The first documentary since Fahrenheit 9-11 to get the best picture, snagged the best picture. Mim-mm.

It's yummy. So that is our 2017 Oscar talk. If you follow us on Twitter, we'll probably be tweeting the ceremony. Well, I'll definitely be tweeting that ceremony. So, yeah, that's the Oscars. That's what we think about. already the big categories there. Until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin.

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